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schestowitzUS East-Doughnuts-all-day department not secure: Auditor: US SEC Needs to Improve Cybersecurity < http://www.pcworld.com/article/161421/auditor_us_... >Mar 18 15:54
schestowitz"Security" for Control: Does 'Cyber-Security' Mean More NSA Dragnet Surveillance? < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090... >Mar 18 16:07
EruaranAustralian police are evesdropping on cell calls, text messages and internet browsingMar 18 16:09
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca is downMar 18 16:09
schestowitzEruaran: Internet too? No warrant?Mar 18 16:10
EruaranNot that I know ofMar 18 16:10
EruaranThey can search your home without your knowledge as wellMar 18 16:10
schestowitzYears of struggle for freedom now down the drainMar 18 16:10
EruaranyesMar 18 16:10
schestowitzBecause of those "terrirists" and "pedophiles"Mar 18 16:11
Eruaran"turrists"Mar 18 16:11
schestowitzThem too sometimesMar 18 16:11
EruaranSaw a documentary on British citizens who ended up in GuantanamoMar 18 16:12
EruaranIt was terribleMar 18 16:12
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbTW6vEuM2kMar 18 16:12
schestowitzFunny.Mar 18 16:12
EruaranOne of the British citizens the US branded as "the worst of the wost" was a guy who had been captured by the Taliban and imprisoned as a British spy. The Northern Alliance then sold him to the Americans for $7000. And the Americans put him in Guantanamo bay as an "unlawful combatant".Mar 18 16:13
EruaranHe was tortured and questionedMar 18 16:14
schestowitzWhat's his name? Maybe I know.Mar 18 16:15
EruaranHe was there for two and a half yearsMar 18 16:15
EruaranI think I can find itMar 18 16:15
schestowitzIdentica having DB issues ATM...Mar 18 16:15
schestowitzBinyam?Mar 18 16:15
schestowitzMaybe..?Mar 18 16:15
schestowitzI don't follow this closely, so I know nothing about who''s who.Mar 18 16:15
schestowitzRMS follows these things closely.Mar 18 16:15
Eruaran Jamal Al-HarithMar 18 16:17
schestowitzSo he was tortured to say stuff he didn't know?Mar 18 16:18
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Eruaranthey all wereMar 18 16:18
Omar87Hi all.Mar 18 16:18
schestowitzAnd later they wonder why "they hate us".Mar 18 16:18
schestowitzor "US"Mar 18 16:19
Eruaranhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J...Mar 18 16:19
schestowitzAnyway, I hope Obama shuts down the whole facility in Guantanamo bayMar 18 16:22
Omar87Actually, Al-Harith's story is nothing compared to what happened with Sami Al-Hajj: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sami...Mar 18 16:23
*schestowitz looksMar 18 16:23
Eruaranyes the documentary I watched covered Sami Al-Hajj as wellMar 18 16:24
EruarandeplorableMar 18 16:25
schestowitzThere a British military commercial running on TV where they say "Enemy combatant" tooMar 18 16:25
schestowitzObama is said to be dropping the termMar 18 16:25
Omar877 years of ultimate torture, tyranny, stuff that can't even be seen in nightmares, in a hellish prison..Mar 18 16:25
Omar87And in the end, they tell him: "We're sorry for what happened to you, you were arrested by mistake.." -_-Mar 18 16:26
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W... "Both the term and the policies it denotes have been a source of ongoing controversy, as critics argue it has been used to justify unilateral preemptive war, human rights abuses and other violations of international law."Mar 18 16:28
EruaranThe war with Eurasia must go on !Mar 18 16:28
EruaranOceania will prevail...Mar 18 16:30
Eruaran(referencing Orwell's 1984 in case anyones not sure what Im on about)Mar 18 16:31
schestowitzKogan's new Linux-based laptop in Aussie: http://www.itwire.com/content/vi...Mar 18 16:31
MinceRwe were always at war with Eurasia.Mar 18 16:31
schestowitzMicrosoft's convoy ('taskforce") might already be on its way to KoganMar 18 16:32
schestowitz"make ya an offer you can't refuse !!"Mar 18 16:32
EruaranThey surely willMar 18 16:32
schestowitz"keepa your knees inna tact"Mar 18 16:33
EruaranKogan asked customers what they wantMar 18 16:33
EruaranAnd waddayaknow, a Linux netbook appearsMar 18 16:33
Eruaranwhoops... can't have those things on the loose in Australia again... here comes The Godfather's menMar 18 16:34
MinceR161117 < Balrog> much more reliable than ASP.NET :)Mar 18 16:38
MinceRwow, that's saying a lot :>Mar 18 16:38
EruaranFrom comments: "Finally a decent netbook using linux at a very attractive price in Australia!"Mar 18 16:38
MinceR161229 < Eruaran> Anyone have a favorite IDE ?Mar 18 16:38
MinceRmine is gvim+a couple of terminal windows and sometimes konqueror :>Mar 18 16:39
EruaranhehMar 18 16:39
EruaranA lot of Europeans posting on the Kogan site asking about purchasesMar 18 16:40
Omar87Uh, I can't imagine that there are people out who actually use SilverLight.. ><Mar 18 16:41
Omar87out *there* who actually...Mar 18 16:41
schestowitzSuperbowl and stufff..Mar 18 16:43
schestowitzWell, tveen *they* dumpedMar 18 16:43
schestowitzitMar 18 16:43
schestowitzIIRC< national baseball ran away from Silver Lie to FlashMar 18 16:44
schestowitzHTML5 and FF3.5 wqill promote OggMar 18 16:44
schestowitzSo they can latch onto massive audience this way, Linux users includedMar 18 16:44
MinceRwell, Corporate Puppet Obama probably doesMar 18 16:44
MinceRand m$ fanboys probably doMar 18 16:44
schestowitzSame thingMar 18 16:45
EruaranNovell employees..Mar 18 16:47
MinceRis html5 even allowed to promote ogg after nokia and crApple sabotaged it?Mar 18 16:47
schestowitzPresidents in the US are like Her Majesty in the UK, but they take turns (every 4/8 years)Mar 18 16:47
schestowitzMinceR: Nokia has just paid off 1700 people. Soon enough it'll be passeMar 18 16:47
schestowitzApple can be dismissed on the ground that it's arrogant and hostile towards freedomMar 18 16:48
schestowitzThink of it this way: had Microsoft or Adobe said "no" to ogg, what would an observer think?Mar 18 16:49
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EruaranI thought FF 3.5 was including it anywayMar 18 16:49
schestowitzIBM Sun acquisition: Good for Unix and Linux. Bad for HP < http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner... >Mar 18 16:52
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schestowitzEruaran: it doesMar 18 16:52
schestowitzHP is more of a puppet to Microsoft than IBM or Sun.Mar 18 16:53
schestowitzDell moved away somewhatMar 18 16:53
MinceRthey can be dismissed, but will the w3c dismiss them?Mar 18 16:53
EruaranLove to see HP kicked where it hurtsMar 18 16:53
schestowitzDell market cap: 18.31BMar 18 16:54
EruaranIn my own experiences with HP I have grown to hate themMar 18 16:54
MinceRit should be part of the standard so if m$ dares not include it webmasters can point and say it's _their_ fault for not following html5Mar 18 16:54
schestowitzMinceR: 3wc is poisoned by the Vole (Chris Wilson)Mar 18 16:54
schestowitzThey'll need to detoxicate themselves firstMar 18 16:54
MinceRinstead of having them say "oh, just use adobe trash, everyone has that"Mar 18 16:54
schestowitzExactly.Mar 18 16:55
MinceRthere's a lot of detoxication that needs to be done in the field of ITMar 18 16:55
zer0c00lhttp://www.cpim.org/manifesto.pdf page no 29 topic "Science and technology"Mar 18 16:55
schestowitzMore Linux phones on their way: HTC Promises at Least 3 More Android Phones in '09 < http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/HTC-Promi... >Mar 18 16:56
zer0c00lanother political party releases manifesto again the importance is given to fossMar 18 16:56
EruaranBuild it and they will comeMar 18 16:56
zer0c00lits the 3rd major party indiaMar 18 16:57
zer0c00l" Promoting free software and other such new technologies, which areMar 18 16:57
zer0c00lfree from monopoly ownership through copyrights or patents;Mar 18 16:57
zer0c00l“knowledge commons” should be promoted across disciplines, likeMar 18 16:57
zer0c00lbiotechnology and drug discoveryMar 18 16:57
zer0c00l"Mar 18 16:57
EruaranGood to see Hauwei in the Open Handset Alliance... hopefully that will flow to all their stuffMar 18 16:59
EruaranA lot of ISP's use their devicesMar 18 17:00
schestowitzMinister admits thought crime is on the agenda < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2... >Mar 18 17:01
MinceRlol, gutmann says samsung makes nice lcd monitorsMar 18 17:02
MinceRin my experience, 2 out of the 3 i've used were flawedMar 18 17:02
MinceRnot exactly what i'd call "nice"Mar 18 17:02
schestowitzMinceR: we boycott SamsungMar 18 17:02
MinceRwhat did they do?Mar 18 17:02
*schestowitz glances at his Samsung stereoMar 18 17:02
schestowitzMinceR: patent deal over Linux... with SteatyMar 18 17:03
schestowitz*SweatyMar 18 17:03
MinceR(at home i have an acer lcd -- the first one had a pixel flaw, but unlike samsung, there was a warranty for that so i got a replacement)Mar 18 17:03
MinceRicMar 18 17:03
MinceRdo you have a list of such companies?Mar 18 17:03
EruaranI find ViewSonic and BenQ monitors are goodMar 18 17:04
schestowitzMinceR: http://boycottnovell.com/compan... + BrotherMar 18 17:05
MinceRthxMar 18 17:05
zer0c00lwhat is this *shared source initiative* http://www.microsoft.com/resources/sha...Mar 18 17:06
MinceRiirc they didn't sell neither of those two with proper pixel flaw warranties hereMar 18 17:06
MinceRzer0c00l: it's a lieMar 18 17:06
MinceRm$'s earlier attempt at pretending they're "open source"Mar 18 17:06
zer0c00l:PMar 18 17:06
zer0c00lhttp://www.microsoft.com/opensource/Mar 18 17:07
zer0c00l:PMar 18 17:07
zer0c00lthe page has been updated for bizsparkMar 18 17:07
zer0c00lthey call bizspark as opensourceMar 18 17:07
zer0c00l:PMar 18 17:07
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MinceRor perhaps they're just trying to pollute the term "open source"Mar 18 17:08
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schestowitzyesMar 18 17:08
schestowitzopne=cheapMar 18 17:08
zer0c00lyesMar 18 17:09
zer0c00lAccording to them "open source is just a development model" nothing elseMar 18 17:09
schestowitz"Microsoft is holding the third annual Open Source ISV Forum on March 23, 2009. This is a Microsoft BizSpark event, and attendees will get to meet a number of BizSpark Network Partners.."Mar 18 17:11
MinceRi think that's the official OSI stance tooMar 18 17:11
zer0c00lgnMar 18 17:11
MinceRgn zer0c00lMar 18 17:11
schestowitzthey make oss barf-wothyMar 18 17:11
MinceRit might be just a development model, but it isn't just being able to _look at_ the codeMar 18 17:11
Eruaranthey are kidding themselvesMar 18 17:11
MinceRnot even the OSI says it is just thatMar 18 17:12
MinceRbut apparently to m$ that's the only thing that mattersMar 18 17:12
schestowitzzer0c00l: they don't actually called BizFIRE  open sourceMar 18 17:12
schestowitzThey just nonchalantly mention it and hope to create connotationsMar 18 17:12
zer0c00lyaaMar 18 17:12
zer0c00lsee the flash animation , the page is just flattering and deceptiveMar 18 17:13
schestowitz"Java Crowd Has Mixed Views on Potential Sun-IBM Deal"Mar 18 17:14
schestowitzzer0c00l: mentions and glories infiltrator Ramjo tooMar 18 17:14
schestowitzFOSS people hate himMar 18 17:14
schestowitzBut they can't say it to his faceMar 18 17:14
zer0c00lwho is ramjo?Mar 18 17:15
zer0c00li heard that name beforeMar 18 17:15
*zer0c00l looks backMar 18 17:15
schestowitzso I assume the deal (IBM) seems to be actualising?Mar 18 17:16
schestowitzzer0c00l: ramjiMar 18 17:16
schestowitzSam Ramji, FOSS n00bMar 18 17:16
schestowitzSpreads GPL lies in SD TimesMar 18 17:16
zer0c00lhahaha this guy ? http://streaming.linux-magazin.de/eve...Mar 18 17:16
schestowitzhas no FOSS background. Just another prick du jour from Vole.Port25Mar 18 17:17
schestowitzNovell has its own...Mar 18 17:17
schestowitzDe Icaza.NETMar 18 17:17
schestowitzzer0c00l: yes, infiltrators.Galore.AddShill(Future)Mar 18 17:18
EruaranRamji is just a toolMar 18 17:18
zer0c00lhow did they allowed him inside apache con?Mar 18 17:19
EruaranBut Icaza is one of those smarmy pieces of pond scum that I just can't standMar 18 17:19
zer0c00li read that they are one of the platinum sponserMar 18 17:19
MinceRthat open source issue reminds me of at least one SMF developer being utterly clueless about the third freedomMar 18 17:21
zer0c00ltimes up got internal tests :( havent touched the book yet have to wake up early :PMar 18 17:21
zer0c00lgnMar 18 17:21
MinceRhttp://www.simplemachines.org/community...Mar 18 17:21
EruarangtgMar 18 17:24
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schestowitz"The P-I's Microsoft Blog is now in the hands of @reporterAJ who will cover MSFT, as well as BA and half of the business of SeThe P-I's Microsoft Blog is now in the hands of @reporterAJ who will cover MSFT, as well as BA and half of the business of Seattle!"   http://twitter.com/josephtartakoff/st...Mar 18 17:24
schestowitzHe has just mailed me about it. Nice person.Mar 18 17:24
schestowitzzer0c00l: they paidMar 18 17:25
schestowitzPay=entryMar 18 17:25
schestowitzMicrosoft buys this for PRMar 18 17:25
schestowitzzer0c00l: simple RoIMar 18 17:25
schestowitzTurns out some Microsoft journalists read BN regularly too. I guess it's useful for understanding of the other side of Microsoft, which Seattle does not always make visible.Mar 18 17:26
MinceRhttp://boycottnovell.com/narchives.php   appears to be quite emptyMar 18 17:30
schestowitzMinceR: CPU limitsMar 18 17:30
schestowitzIt used to work a long time agoMar 18 17:30
MinceRicMar 18 17:30
schestowitzThe the admin did some 'tewaking'Mar 18 17:30
schestowitzVery annyingMar 18 17:30
schestowitzBut imagine thrashing the DB..Mar 18 17:31
schestowitz80MB and about 7000 records at once.Mar 18 17:31
schestowitzWorked until we had over 1000 postsMar 18 17:31
schestowitzSome people wanted to download the siteMar 18 17:31
schestowitzDigg is moving down (no surprise): http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/200...Mar 18 17:32
schestowitzI've noticed that it got sort of emptied recently, except the PR BSMar 18 17:32
schestowitzThe usual domains game the site's sections. it's a mess, they need to clean upMar 18 17:32
schestowitz Privacy Group Calls For Investigation Of Google  < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2... > Can we find a MS connection?Mar 18 17:33
schestowitzMicrosoft has already created one such anti-Google coalitionMar 18 17:33
schestowitzhttp://www.google.com/search?hl=...Mar 18 17:34
schestowitzWait... it looks innocent in that regard.Mar 18 17:35
schestowitzhttp://www.highbeam.com/doc/1... http://www.google.com/url?sa=U...Mar 18 17:36
schestowitzThey also went against Microsoft before.Mar 18 17:36
schestowitzElectronic Privacy Information Center Wants Probe of Microsoft's Services. < http://www.allbusiness.com/government/g... >Mar 18 17:37
schestowitzStill, could this group somehow be funded by Microsoft /now/? Privacy Group Calls For Investigation Of Google < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/0... >Mar 18 17:39
schestowitzebook too is a patent minefield (one of the "in digital form" patents): http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2...Mar 18 17:40
schestowitzMicrosoft is going to kill Google. It has a new name and wallpaper !!11 http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/...Mar 18 17:41
schestowitzamarsh04_ ; Australia secretly censors Wikileaks press release and Danish Internet censorship list, 16 Mar 2009 < http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Australia... >Mar 18 17:48
schestowitzOoo 3.1 looking good. Will it become from IBM. The site is already blue. http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs...Mar 18 17:49
schestowitz*come from IBM?Mar 18 17:49
schestowitzGood news from the Italians: IT: Head of IT Venice region: 'Open source wherever appropriate'  < http://www.osor.eu/news/it-hea... >Mar 18 17:52
MinceRmore importantly, will it be less buggy? will it display properly if the system colors aren't black on white?Mar 18 17:52
schestowitzDunno.Mar 18 17:53
schestowitzMine complies with my dark Qt themingMar 18 17:53
schestowitzWhich helps not at all if I open a spreadsheet that I useMar 18 17:53
schestowitzSame in Koffice though. it does what it's supposed to, namely comply with preferences that are globalMar 18 17:53
MinceRalso, will Impress stop gobbling up all my memory while running a slideshow?Mar 18 17:54
schestowitzRussia will be a nation of GNU/Linux: The Russians Are Coming... < http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/20... >Mar 18 17:54
MinceRCalc ignores cell background colors hereMar 18 17:55
schestowitzWhat do you use sheets for?Mar 18 17:55
schestowitzI have a PHP proggy that does these for meMar 18 17:55
schestowitzWell, used to anyway, when I was using itMar 18 17:55
schestowitzToo slow to work with though -- pageloads to modiftMar 18 17:55
schestowitz*difyMar 18 17:55
schestowitzMinceR: User Survey 2008 Qualitatively Revived – User comments about OpenOffice.org Impress < http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/... >. Are you impress-ed? Tell emMar 18 17:57
schestowitzFifth World Water Forum Marked by Violence and Repression < http://www.alternet.org/water/132066/fi... >Mar 18 17:57
schestowitzhttp://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/20... "Squirrel mail" is presumably the open source Squirrelmail: "Webmail for nuts".Mar 18 17:58
schestowitzLeaked Memo: EPA Planning Historic Action on Global Warming in April < http://www.alternet.org/environment/132127/l... >Mar 18 17:59
schestowitz http://blogs.harvardbusiness.org/ha... "The real problem is, of course, the reverse: that bankers were never contractually obligated to society - and that, in the bigger picture, no business is."Mar 18 17:59
MinceRi use sheets for all kinds of stuffMar 18 18:00
MinceRincluding RPG character sheetsMar 18 18:00
schestowitzWell, maybe IBM will inject some more MANA into OOoMar 18 18:01
schestowitzFirefox popular in the Philippines < http://blog.mozilla.com/gen/2009/03/... >Mar 18 18:01
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schestowitz"But the government's love affair with databases as the cure for all ills has not ended." < http://www.theregister.co.uk/20... >Mar 18 18:03
MinceRsome bugfixing wouldn't hurtMar 18 18:03
MinceRalso, fixing the horrible font handling of its guiMar 18 18:03
MinceR(if it used a proper toolkit like Qt or GTK+, it would have worked fine)Mar 18 18:03
schestowitzThey fixed antialiasing (did you know?Mar 18 18:04
schestowitzHow things change for publishers: Major Book Publishers Start Turning To Scribd < http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/17/... > The economy accelerates this trendMar 18 18:04
schestowitzBTW, I've updated the post about Seattle-PI: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/...Mar 18 18:05
schestowitzKey sentence (IMHO): "It’s not a commentary about Microsoft. Only a skeleton staff will stay behind to man the P-I’s Web site."Mar 18 18:05
schestowitzSo here goes down another press outlet of Microsoft's ecosystemsMar 18 18:06
schestowitzThey'll try to capture bloggers now.. with shiny laptops and s*Mar 18 18:06
schestowitzSo stay vigilant and watch how they manipulate market share and mind shareMar 18 18:06
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schestowitz"Mind Control: To control mental output you have to control mental input.  Take control of the channels by which developers receive information, then they can only think about the things you tell them.  Thus, you control mindshare!" -- Microsoft, internal documentMar 18 18:06
MinceRi didn't know they fixed antialiasing (hinting?)Mar 18 18:08
schestowitzMore on that anti-SaaS/Google lobby: The Perils Of Cloud Computing: Privacy Group Wants To Take Your Gmail Away < http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/17/t... >Mar 18 18:08
schestowitzMinceR: yes, for figures and fontsMar 18 18:08
schestowitzLet me find it (not in the GUI BTW)Mar 18 18:08
MinceRmy problem was with the guiMar 18 18:08
MinceRfor example, it insisted using an extra-light font weight of DejaVu Sans in many placesMar 18 18:09
MinceRand too much hintingMar 18 18:09
schestowitzNew: English dictionary (based on Oxford English Dictionary) < http://extensions.services.openoff... >>Mar 18 18:09
schestowitzOld: Mar 18 18:10
schestowitzhttp://user.services.openoffice...Mar 18 18:10
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schestowitzGood news for a change: Ocean conservation success stories < http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2... >Mar 18 18:11
schestowitzUN wants even more people? The planet can hardly take it as it is. http://www.worldchanging.com...  "Feeding the world's expanding population will increase water demand 70 to 90 percent by 2050 without improved agricultural methods, according to the U.N. World Water Development Report. 'Mar 18 18:13
schestowitzYeah, try to promote birth control as a matter of species survival. The religious groups would oppose as a matter of idealology.Mar 18 18:14
MinceRi didn't mean antialiasing of vector graphicsMar 18 18:14
schestowitzDisobedience can probably only be stopped through government control, maybe vasectomies or something. UN message: we can have more, have more... we'll somehow adapt.Mar 18 18:15
schestowitzMinceR: yes, thatMar 18 18:15
schestowitzAlso fonts, IIRCMar 18 18:15
schestowitzI couldn't find tiMar 18 18:15
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schestowitzOracle Wants to Dance on its Own, Not with Red Hat < http://ldn.linuxfoundation.org/article/... > Ellisonux?Mar 18 18:25
schestowitzIDG misinterpretation: "I notice ComputerWorld has linked here noting that I am “worried” by the prospect of IBM acquiring Sun. Actually I am very positive about the idea, although of course there would be issues to overcome." http://blogs.the451group.com/opensourc...Mar 18 18:30
schestowitz"British parents grossly underestimate how much time their children spend on the net, suggests a report." < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technolog... >Mar 18 18:36
schestowitz"I went over to their site to see who is behind this group.  http://epic.org/epic/advisory_board.html Not surprised to find someone from Microsoft. Oh, lool, there's' is Ray Ozzie. However, they also have Vint Cerf, Joi Ito and Bruce Schneier as advisers. Wierd."Mar 18 18:38
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schestowitzRed Hat, Inc. (NYSE: RHT): Stock of the Day < http://www.contrarianprofits.com/articles... > Whatever that means (nothing)Mar 18 18:55
Carl_Rover2k12Sun Micro gong bubye as Big Blue gobbled up more rivalsMar 18 18:56
schestowitzYes, not good, but Sun was in bad state anyway. IBM is not a mbad suitorMar 18 18:56
Carl_Rover2k12@schestowitz: it just means another architecture UltraSPARC bites the dustMar 18 18:58
schestowitzWill it necessarily be axed?Mar 18 18:58
Carl_Rover2k12@schestowitz: I would think so, why would IBM want the cost of supporting 2 architectures that compete with eachother in the same field?Mar 18 18:59
Carl_Rover2k12they are not exactly Frito Lay when it comes to selling all kinds of chipsMar 18 18:59
schestowitzhttp://fyi.oreilly.com/2009/03/rea... :-S propaganda terms next to FOSS. Bad mictureMar 18 19:00
schestowitzCarl_Rover2k12: PPC?Mar 18 19:01
Carl_Rover2k12@schestowitz: IBM will definitely favor POWER architecture over their soon to be aquired UltraSPARCMar 18 19:01
Balrog_this gentoo system has been up for 41 days. Going down for reboot.Mar 18 19:02
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Carl_Rover2k12@schestowitz: its more up to date with a smaller die and is already being sold at large quanitities with different types of CPUsMar 18 19:02
Carl_Rover2k12@schestowitz: UltraSPARC will probably suffer the same fate as DEC's Alpha when it was aquired by CompaqMar 18 19:03
schestowitz"I agree with Kristin that an IBM acquisition may be good news for Sun. Still, Sun is one of only a few public open source companies, and if it's no longer independent, will that be negative for open source?" http://ostatic.com/blog/an-ibm-acquisi...Mar 18 19:08
Carl_Rover2k12@schestowitz: I think Big Blue wants to also take on all the open source initiatives Sun Micro has, ecspecially ZFSMar 18 19:09
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schestowitzLikely. Big Blue Source? Mar 18 19:10
schestowitzSUN was as much of a patent problem as IBMMar 18 19:11
Carl_Rover2k12@schestowitz: true, and now it will be even largerMar 18 19:11
MinceRhm, maybe the Big Blue will slap some sense into Sun then.Mar 18 19:12
schestowitzIBM needed some slaps tooMar 18 19:12
Carl_Rover2k12MinceR: Sun was making plenty sense aside from their CEO and employment managersMar 18 19:12
schestowitzMinceR: IBM is no saintMar 18 19:12
Carl_Rover2k12@schestowitz: IBM is less soMar 18 19:12
schestowitzSee http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10...Mar 18 19:13
MinceRschestowitz: i know but they at least seem to acknowledge that proprietary unix is dying and there's no sense in resistingMar 18 19:13
schestowitzAgreed.Mar 18 19:13
MinceRCarl_Rover2k12: and that's all it takes for a company to do lots of evilMar 18 19:13
schestowitzBut they monopolise other thingsMar 18 19:13
schestowitzLike mainframesMar 18 19:13
schestowitzand they put Ballnux in thereMar 18 19:13
Carl_Rover2k12@schestowitz: they do the same thing as Google, get into opensource community to grab sourcecode, introduce their own improved version and keep it while they release a watered down version as open source. They also like to attach drakonian TOS agreements to their development intiatives such as the one with CELLMar 18 19:14
schestowitzAndroidMar 18 19:14
schestowitzLike Linux, only forked-ishMar 18 19:14
schestowitzAnd they never call it LinuxMar 18 19:14
schestowitzIt's Android OSMar 18 19:14
Balrogschestowitz: isn't Android running on the Linux kernel?Mar 18 19:14
schestowitzNot quiteMar 18 19:14
schestowitzSort ofMar 18 19:14
Balroghm...but isn't that kernel GPLv2?Mar 18 19:15
Carl_Rover2k12@schestowitz: at least Sun has a good history of lending free support for Java and other sourcecodesMar 18 19:15
schestowitzSomeone gave me this weeks ago: http://mjg59.livejournal.co...Mar 18 19:15
Carl_Rover2k12@schestowitz: and when I mean support, I mean vibrant and personal and not just some PDF or written documentMar 18 19:15
MinceRwhich ballnux, suse?Mar 18 19:16
schestowitzGardner: Sun-IBM Deal Just Doesn't Add Up < http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/66534.html  >Mar 18 19:17
schestowitzMinceR: yesMar 18 19:17
schestowitzLike 90%Mar 18 19:17
schestowitzMaybe 95%Mar 18 19:17
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2008/05/2...Mar 18 19:17
MinceR:(Mar 18 19:17
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Carl_Rover2k12@schestowitz: maybe IBM is looking for some government handouts like the automakersMar 18 19:18
Carl_Rover2k12and AIGMar 18 19:18
Carl_Rover2k12@schestowitz: all companies want to be "too big to fail" nowMar 18 19:18
schestowitzCarl_Rover2k12: exactlyMar 18 19:19
schestowitzBut..Mar 18 19:19
schestowitzIs IBM really weak?Mar 18 19:19
schestowitzThey are like the National Computer COmpanyMar 18 19:19
schestowitzLike GM of PCsMar 18 19:19
schestowitzNational pride, history..Mar 18 19:19
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schestowitzRed Hat ius buying bacvk heavilyMar 18 19:19
schestowitzI reckon they might be another Microsoft... cooking the books that isMar 18 19:19
Carl_Rover2k12@schestowitz: if they keep aquiring other businesses in this economic climate their fiscal porfolio can be as stable as @Home's or OracleMar 18 19:19
schestowitzThat's what I hear happens. Sweepup of small businesses.Mar 18 19:20
schestowitzOn the penny.Mar 18 19:20
schestowitzIIRC, Sun was worth over 100mlMar 18 19:21
schestowitz"Amid rumors that Sun may be acquired by IBM, Sun announced a port of Wind River's Carrier Grade Linux (CGL) to its multi-threading UltraSPARC T2 processor. Sun says Wind River Linux 3.0 is available on several Sun UltraSPARC-T2 systems." http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/...Mar 18 19:22
Carl_Rover2k12@schestowitz: the last breathes of Sun's support and relinquishing of UltraSPARC before the architecture is completely left to the open source community and any other fab company willing to produce such chipsMar 18 19:23
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_Hicham_is it sure that IBM is gonna buy Sun?Mar 18 19:28
schestowitzWho came to who I wonder...Mar 18 19:30
schestowitzHow did this come about?Mar 18 19:30
schestowitzbecause is Sun sought a takeover, then IBM declination would mean looking for another Sugar DaddyMar 18 19:30
schestowitzYou don't want people like Ballmer pulling on Schwartz's ponytail.Mar 18 19:31
Carl_Rover2k12@schestowitz: probably just Sun execs bailing on their employees and making their shareholders happyMar 18 19:31
Carl_Rover2k12@schestowitz: why else would Sun would agree willingly let a giant corporation like IBM aquire it for $9 on the shareMar 18 19:32
Carl_Rover2k12the closing price will be higher once the aquisition is carried throughMar 18 19:32
schestowitz"And now, the software specs of the “Linaxe” OS (all crammed into 4 kilobytes!)" http://chrisfenton.com/diy-laptop-v2/Mar 18 19:32
Carl_Rover2k12@schestowitz: Big Blue agreed because they like gobbling up competitors and adding to their patent portfolioMar 18 19:33
schestowitzYesMar 18 19:33
schestowitzHarvestingMar 18 19:33
schestowitzYoda likes Wookie.Mar 18 19:33
*Carl_Rover2k12 tries to gurgle and roarMar 18 19:34
Carl_Rover2k12doesn't really work that wayMar 18 19:36
Carl_Rover2k12@schestowitz: so what other underhanded shannagans is going on within or effecting the open source community?Mar 18 19:40
schestowitzMicrosoft's EEE of OSS is the major isueMar 18 19:41
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schestowitzThe utility of Linux in servers and so-called clouds matters less to me as long as it keeps development around GNU/Linux. But Microsoft will try to change this and along with it it hopes to derail Linux in other areas too, inc. embedded and desktopMar 18 19:44
Carl_Rover2k12@schestowitz: well in the desktop realm M$ gave others a good lashing, but embedded not so much. They still don't have their new Winmo 7 OS out to compete with the others and they have not announced anything new and exciting with it except for that honeycomb GUIMar 18 19:46
schestowitz" Microsoft, in short, is now playing by Ubuntu's terms." http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505...Mar 18 19:48
schestowitzDumping :-)Mar 18 19:48
schestowitzSmartQ 5 MID scores itself Ubuntu, a ridiculously low price tag < http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/18... >Mar 18 19:49
schestowitz"The touchscreen device, which features a 4.3-inch 800 x 480 screen, is now running an ARM-friendly Ubuntu distro, and has been given the low, low pricetag of 899 Chinese Yuan, about $132." What's the price of Vista ultimate again? $712 in Holland?Mar 18 19:50
Carl_Rover2k12@schestowitz: Dell is even offering their new premium ultra-thin Aldamo with a Ubuntu optionMar 18 19:52
Carl_Rover2k12I need to find where I can import a SmartQ tabletMar 18 19:53
schestowitzKingsnorth report reveals shocking police campaign of intimidation against protesters < http://www.britcit.co.uk/content/arc... >Mar 18 19:54
schestowitzCarl_Rover2k12: Dell probably had a racket with Microsoft, though.Mar 18 19:55
Carl_Rover2k12racket as in?Mar 18 19:55
schestowitzConferences are mad.  "The cost is $2,750 per person, including hardware that the student keeps after the event ends. " http://www.newdesignworld.com/p...Mar 18 19:57
schestowitzCarl_Rover2k12: patent deal covering LinuxMar 18 19:57
MinceRprobably? i thought we were pretty certain of it.Mar 18 20:01
schestowitzIndeed, more Dells with GNU: http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2009/0... " based on cheap processors and a version of Linux"Mar 18 20:02
schestowitzMinceR: no bullet, just smokeMar 18 20:03
_Hicham_Dell seems to understand the ongoing market trendMar 18 20:03
schestowitzPutin also boycotts Dell :-) "We don't need any help....."Mar 18 20:03
_Hicham_why?Mar 18 20:03
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMR1BZ9aYM8Mar 18 20:04
MinceRi have a dell laptop and it's falling apart alreadyMar 18 20:05
Carl_Rover2k12hip hip hurrah for jolly'ole England or, IngsocMar 18 20:06
Carl_Rover2k12MinceR: then call up Dell, the one thing you can count on is them having a crapload of parts you can fix your machine withMar 18 20:08
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MinceRexcept when they don'tMar 18 20:10
MinceRlike when my gpu meltedMar 18 20:10
MinceRand they took a month without even having an idea when they're going to have a replacementMar 18 20:11
MinceRand i can't just dispose of the damn thing for a monthMar 18 20:11
schestowitzStories from Dell (hell)Mar 18 20:11
schestowitzH-P rearms it's Linux-Fu (IBM scary yet?): http://sev.prnewswire.com/computer-electr...Mar 18 20:12
schestowitzLinux a high flyer (lots of good Linux news today): http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/artic...Mar 18 20:13
schestowitz"I simply put my finger into the USB port of a computer and pull out the hand if I need it,” Javala explained. “Afterwards the finger goes back on." http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,29...Mar 18 20:16
schestowitzSome kids give Linux the finger; this guy gives finger the LinuxMar 18 20:17
Carl_Rover2k12@schestowitz: in Soviet Russia computer uses finger to interface with YOU!Mar 18 20:18
schestowitzImportant milestone for SUNBM: VirtualBox Gets 3D Acceleration For Linux Guests < http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php... >Mar 18 20:20
schestowitzCarl_Rover2k12: for men, it's more like interference, not "interface"Mar 18 20:20
schestowitzRedmond's bad engineering is giving a bad name to SaaS: What happens when clouds (inevitably) burst? < http://news.cnet.com/8301-13846_3... >Mar 18 20:22
Carl_Rover2k12@schestowitz: so you are all for AI computers that manage themselves?Mar 18 20:22
schestowitzSun said the world needs 7 computersMar 18 20:23
schestowitzI think it was said by their CTO with the Greek surnameMar 18 20:23
schestowitzBut you still need clients (user end)Mar 18 20:23
schestowitzWith surveillance increasing on the nodes, this whole issues of 'privacy' on the cloud become moot. The governments don't want those 'perky' people to do things without the nanny on tap anyway.Mar 18 20:24
schestowitzMicrosoft bloggers are flogging lots of favourware today (Silver Lie 3.0.. with Miguel shouting "YEAH, yeah man!!" in the background... Moon Lie)Mar 18 20:25
schestowitzLinux looks cute, donnit'? http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pa... (The Linux Kernel Saves Animals, Gets New Logo)Mar 18 20:26
schestowitz"We’ve been talking about IBM buying Sun Microsystems here at ZDNet since 2002. I have been speculating about it since 2004. I put IBM’s Thomas Watson Sr. into a Sun post in 2007. (I ran with this sunset last November.)"" http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=3732 Symphony as new OOo GUI?Mar 18 20:31
Carl_Rover2k12Putin sure knows how to philibusterMar 18 20:32
schestowitzAdd caption: http://jkdabroad.files.wordpress.com/20...Mar 18 20:34
schestowitzHere are the responsible adults with the code for 'the' button: http://aftermathnews.files.wordpre...Mar 18 20:36
Carl_Rover2k12iight, I am gonna call it a day, this is a nice channel you got hereMar 18 20:51
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trmancowhat is up with Matt on COLA?Mar 18 21:02
schestowitzWhat did he say?Mar 18 21:07
schestowitzi've just read some of his stuff (in open source RSS news)Mar 18 21:08
trmancoterry keeps calling him a windows boyMar 18 21:08
trmancoI'm not sure whyMar 18 21:08
schestowitzhe's a mac boyMar 18 21:09
schestowitzWhere did terry porter call him that?Mar 18 21:09
schestowitzWouldn't surprrise me if the MS camp used Asay's pro-blobs confused agenda to say something bad about FOSS or LinuxMar 18 21:10
schestowitzSame with Blankenhorn... people who don't use FOSS but sure write blogs about it in 'Microsoft' sites (CNET and ZDNET)Mar 18 21:10
schestowitzMicrosoft takes a s* on FOSS: Microsoft Sweet-er than open source <  http://www.itworldcanada.com/a/Daily-N... >Mar 18 21:10
trmancoschestowitz, http://groups.google.com/group/comp.o...Mar 18 21:11
trmancohw is using linux afaiMar 18 21:11
trmancoafaikMar 18 21:11
trmancohe*Mar 18 21:11
schestowitzStuart Cohen out with his Novellsoft-type vision again: http://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/community/featur...Mar 18 21:13
schestowitzOh waitMar 18 21:14
schestowitzMatt from COLA?Mar 18 21:14
schestowitzI thought you meant Matt Asay. Ah! The irony!Mar 18 21:14
schestowitzNever mind thenMar 18 21:14
schestowitz"Matt" seems to be on  agenda to port Linux apps to Windows, but he also keeps track of large Linux adoptionsMar 18 21:15
trmancoLOLMar 18 21:16
trmancoLinux apps to Windows, pff, sometimes it's not worth itMar 18 21:16
_Hicham_Linux App already run on Windows, thanks to GTK, Qt, and CygwinMar 18 21:28
trmanco * OpenGL 3d acceleration for Linux guestsMar 18 21:29
trmancoon Virtualbox 2.2 beta 1 :DMar 18 21:29
schestowitz:-d yes, someone RT-ed it from my in identicaMar 18 21:32
schestowitzWhat does RT stand for BTW?Mar 18 21:32
schestowitzTell Miguel that Linux is almost like Winders now: DirectX 10 coming to Linux through WINE and CrossOver < http://apcmag.com/directx-10-in-l... >Mar 18 21:33
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_Hicham_Fuck DirectXMar 18 21:34
_Hicham_Viva OpenGLMar 18 21:34
_Hicham_I enjoyed so much OpenGLMar 18 21:34
_Hicham_writing in DirectX is like writing with WinAPIMar 18 21:35
schestowitzGuy needs help: Ubuntu 8.10 on the AA1 - follow-up review < http://linuxd.wordpress.com/2009/0... >Mar 18 21:35
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schestowitz_Hicham_: exactlyMar 18 21:35
schestowitzSame with Wine, but it's a risky trapMar 18 21:35
schestowitzGoogle promotes Win APIs with PicasaMar 18 21:36
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_Hicham_Google is planning to release Chrome with GTKMar 18 21:36
_Hicham_but it is still unknownMar 18 21:37
schestowitzNew: I hate Windows <  http://aplawrence.com/Mic... >Mar 18 21:37
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schestowitz_Hicham_: not confirmed. I think it is. Was on OSNewsMar 18 21:37
schestowitzKDEtwitter < http://linuxsysconfig.com/2009... > No identi.ca support? :-(Mar 18 21:39
_Hicham_Roy : http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wik...Mar 18 21:41
_Hicham_u can see the GTK dev lib in thereMar 18 21:41
_Hicham_but I am wonderingMar 18 21:41
_Hicham_why use WTL in first place while GTK is cross-platform?Mar 18 21:41
trmancoschestowitz, retweetMar 18 21:42
_Hicham_I mean, it could have lot easier to portMar 18 21:42
schestowitz_Hicham_: maybe former Microsoft employees build ChromeMar 18 21:42
schestowitzThat's my friend's theory anywayMar 18 21:42
schestowitzSame with PicasaMar 18 21:42
_Hicham_Roy : u are rightMar 18 21:43
schestowitzGoogle also spreads ActiveX garbageMar 18 21:43
trmancoschestowitz, avtivex? where?Mar 18 21:43
schestowitztrmanco: is that a duplicator?>Mar 18 21:43
schestowitztrmanco: Google MapsMar 18 21:43
schestowitzAt leastMar 18 21:43
_Hicham_i think that Google plans on taking over MicrosoftMar 18 21:43
schestowitzAlso defending FlashMar 18 21:43
schestowitzCrawling Flash, using it in YouTube, Google Finance, etcMar 18 21:43
schestowitz_Hicham_: Google's market cap is almost higher than MSFT's nowMar 18 21:44
schestowitzAbout 75% of itMar 18 21:44
trmancoschestowitz, no a funny typo, can't check, FF doesn't support activexMar 18 21:44
schestowitzMicrosoft is old, clumsy and very violantMar 18 21:44
trmancoschestowitz, youtube was already using flash before they bought itMar 18 21:45
schestowitzAnd like a child molester, no-one trust it anymore... "we're open source..." "we like privacy..." "Vista 7 will knock your socks off"Mar 18 21:45
schestowitztrmanco: yes, but it's not just YTMar 18 21:45
schestowitzhttp://www.downloadsquad.com/2009/03/17/google-...Mar 18 21:45
schestowitzWhy are Linux users waiting for this rubbish anyway?Mar 18 21:46
schestowitzWho would you trust more? Google or Mozilla?Mar 18 21:46
schestowitzGoogle needs to harvest data, Mozilla hardly knows what to do with such dataMar 18 21:46
_Hicham_MozillaMar 18 21:46
trmancothey are not waiting for itMar 18 21:46
trmancomozilla of courseMar 18 21:46
schestowitzhttp://blusrcu.ba/nookie/?p=17Mar 18 21:46
_Hicham_the anti-phishing filter in Firefox belongs to googleMar 18 21:46
schestowitzLinux killer appz: http://codepad.classhelper.org/fun-le...Mar 18 21:47
trmanco... and it goes mad from time to time tooMar 18 21:47
schestowitz_Hicham_: MS has it build inMar 18 21:47
schestowitzIE7+ is spyware of the worst typeMar 18 21:47
schestowitzMicrosoft browses the Web 'with' youMar 18 21:48
schestowitz"Hmmmmmmmmmm... nice page you got there... mind if I tell Billie and GWB?"Mar 18 21:48
schestowitz'Security' (i.e. Windows is not seucre) as excuse to compromise privacy... now that's a classic, not just in Web browsingMar 18 21:49
schestowitzPhishing is a real issue, but stuff like OpenID could helpMar 18 21:49
schestowitzHere we go again (flamewar): Ubuntu is Linux: Really?   < http://dgoodmaniii.wordpress.com/2009/... >Mar 18 21:50
_Hicham_by the way, Firefox used to support ActiveXMar 18 21:50
_Hicham_Roy : Now I am on DebianMar 18 21:51
schestowitzNostalgia resurrected: http://freegamer.blogspot.com/2009/...Mar 18 21:51
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schestowitz_Hicham_: I didn't know that. They shouldn'tMar 18 21:52
trmanco_Hicham_, in what? FF 1.0 and 1.5?Mar 18 21:52
schestowitzFollowing deviation from standards is badMar 18 21:52
schestowitzMicrosoft should just get kicked from HTML/W3CMar 18 21:52
schestowitzChris Wilson and others from the company that deliberately brokw Web standardsMar 18 21:52
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/u...Mar 18 21:52
MinceRso should crApple and nokiaMar 18 21:53
_Hicham_trmanco : yesMar 18 21:53
schestowitzBill Gates: "In one piece of mail people were suggesting that Office had to work equally well with all browsers and that we shouldn’t force Office users to use our browser. This Is wrong and I wanted to correct this."Mar 18 21:53
schestowitz"Another suggestion In this mail was that we can’t make our own unilateral extensions to HTML I was going to say this was wrong and correct this also."Mar 18 21:53


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