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schestowitzGeorge Bush Idiot Quotes < http://www.youtube.com/... >Mar 18 00:33
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch...Mar 18 00:40
schestowitz*LOL* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Btye...Mar 18 00:45
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schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watc...Mar 18 00:53
schestowitzPalin doesn't know what "doctrine" means and says she can see Russian from Alaska... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrzXLYA_e...Mar 18 00:55
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schestowitzhehe. this is priceless. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=... Mar 18 01:00
schestowitzgnMar 18 01:00
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch...Mar 18 01:02
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zer0c00lMicrosoft Bizspark: more detailed news who are all in http://blogs.livemint.com/blogs/incubat...Mar 18 02:30
oiaohmMS normal battle.Mar 18 02:37
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oiaohmhttp://www.mantecabulletin.c...  Just for fun.Mar 18 03:18
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twitterEver wondered why no one was p0wning Windoze powered automatic teller machines?  Well, they are doing just that http://it.slashdot.org/articl...Mar 18 03:50
twitterAIG fat cats refuse some money so they can keep their ill gotten loot.  http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/aig...Mar 18 03:57
twittermore than 75 AIG people got more than a million buck "bonuses" with tax payer money.Mar 18 03:58
twitterrefusing bailout money is not the same as taking the money back, it's deliberate harm.Mar 18 03:58
twitterUncle Sam should put all of those assholes into the usual civil service government employee pay scale.Mar 18 03:59
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Omar871Hey all.Mar 18 05:27
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zer0c00llol today the lab technician told me about some "kataa" virus (they call the virus by its executable name) and asked us to backup all the data from doze machineMar 18 05:32
zer0c00lso far the virus has corrupted 10 undergraduate students project/research workMar 18 05:33
zer0c00lall hail windozeMar 18 05:33
zer0c00llong live virusesMar 18 05:33
zer0c00l:DMar 18 05:33
Omar871zer0c00l: ;)Mar 18 06:12
zer0c00l:-)Mar 18 06:13
zer0c00lyeahMar 18 06:13
zer0c00lomar871:just came to know that a girl lost her project presentation pptMar 18 06:14
zer0c00lbecause of viruesMar 18 06:14
zer0c00lshe searched a lot and the symantec antivirus kept warning her about viruesMar 18 06:14
zer0c00l*virusesMar 18 06:15
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zer0c00l"ahh what happened to the ppt i copied in that thumb drive? "Mar 18 06:16
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schestowitzHeyMar 18 07:20
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch...Mar 18 07:24
schestowitzIBM's submission for the LF videos contest: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/...Mar 18 07:26
schestowitzAlmost half of hour in BN just moments ago :-(Mar 18 08:18
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ZiggyFishit's fun it to be a PHP developer :(Mar 18 09:16
ZiggyFishisn't it?Mar 18 09:17
schestowitzYes, php is funMar 18 09:17
ZiggyFish;)Mar 18 09:18
ZiggyFishAt the moment I'm the only PHP developer where I work (was working with someone else, but haven't seen him in 2 weeks)Mar 18 09:19
ZiggyFishinvolved in 4 projects at onceMar 18 09:19
schestowitz4 at once might prove distractingMar 18 09:20
ZiggyFishyes, it isMar 18 09:20
ZiggyFishbecause I'm now the only PHP developer, I have to my normal work, plus the other guys work as wellMar 18 09:21
*ZiggyFish now catching up on the Linux newsMar 18 09:23
ZiggyFishI'm liking the new gnome 2.26Mar 18 09:24
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schestowitzDid you know that Jeff Waugh left GNOME pretty much?Mar 18 09:29
schestowitzMaybe just stepped off his spokesman role, I'm not sure.Mar 18 09:30
ZiggyFishIf I remember he's the one pushing for more mono in gnome?Mar 18 09:30
oiaohmvala project kinda upset lot of the mono pushes in GNOME.   vala has very much the same code style as C# but generates native binaries.Mar 18 09:31
oiaohmNow if .net binding in KDE go the same way its a complete loss for MS.Mar 18 09:35
oiaohmPerformance issues was way vala got off the ground.Mar 18 09:36
ZiggyFishthe problem with vala is the amount of arch it's supportsMar 18 09:37
ZiggyFishI love this articleMar 18 09:39
ZiggyFishhttp://www.ubuntuproductivity.com/journa...Mar 18 09:39
schestowitzYes, it's a common style....Mar 18 10:02
schestowitzMany articles posing as anti-GNU/Linux but doing the opposite.Mar 18 10:03
oiaohmThis kind of making fun of anti-GNU only really started in the last 2 years.Mar 18 10:09
schestowitzMicrosoft feels the pressure in Portugal: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/0...Mar 18 10:14
oiaohmI really should not say this but this down turn has been great for business for me.Mar 18 10:16
ZiggyFishspelling mistake? "this my be trouble to Microsoft"Mar 18 10:19
oiaohmEven worse the downturn is nuking MS patent agreeing Linux's.Mar 18 10:23
oiaohmSimple cost factors are winning.Mar 18 10:23
schestowitzI thought Sun was competing against Flash with JavaFX, BUT... http://blogs.sun.com/jonatha...Mar 18 10:24
schestowitzZiggyFish: thanks.Mar 18 10:24
oiaohmReally HTML 5 will compete a lot with what flash does.Mar 18 10:25
oiaohmParticularlly the inculdes of playing back videos and svg rendering.Mar 18 10:26
ZiggyFishoiaohm: yes it will, if firefox 3.1 is ever released ;)Mar 18 10:26
schestowitzoiaohm: yes, agreedMar 18 10:28
schestowitzFlash caught on again mostly because of videoMar 18 10:28
schestowitzBut video is, well.... just video.. hardly a need for RIA contextMar 18 10:28
oiaohmNo 3.1 will never be released ZiggyFishMar 18 10:28
oiaohm3.5 will be released instead.Mar 18 10:29
schestowitzZiggyFish: it's release in June... 3.5Mar 18 10:29
schestowitzoiaohm: beat neMar 18 10:29
schestowitz*meMar 18 10:29
oiaohmNow at the rate they are going it might be renumbered 4.0 by juneMar 18 10:30
ZiggyFishlolMar 18 10:30
schestowitzComcast: Exposed User Data Not From Internal Leak < http://www.pcworld.com/article/161409/c... >Mar 18 10:31
ZiggyFishthere are some nice I'm linux videos arroundMar 18 10:31
schestowitzoiaohm: just a #Mar 18 10:31
oiaohmWe have MS I am a PC adds to thank for it ZiggyFishMar 18 10:32
oiaohmLinux foundation run a I am Linux competition and caused lot of interest in creating fun videos about Linux.Mar 18 10:32
ZiggyFishoiaohm: and MS has I am a Mac adds to thank ;)Mar 18 10:33
oiaohmYep the chain reactions of marketing.Mar 18 10:35
schestowitz*LOL* "WTF and WTS (What the Satyam!).  It took the Government techies so much time to realize that the email system of the most powerful man in India was not working properly for 3 months!" http://www.techgoss.com/Story/1273S1...Mar 18 10:35
oiaohmI am Mac adds workedMar 18 10:35
schestowitzThey dumped Windows for LinuxMar 18 10:35
ZiggyFishlolMar 18 10:35
oiaohmExchange master email eater strikes again.Mar 18 10:36
schestowitzNice space photos: Space Spotlight: Mars' moons and Medusa < http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/spac... >Mar 18 10:36
oiaohmI really do want kontact on windows so I can offer windows users far broader solutions for email servers.Mar 18 10:37
oiaohmI still love citidel it was designed to run BBS and is basically boom proff.Mar 18 10:38
ZiggyFishoiaohm: I haven't used kontact before, I use evolution, does kontact support Exchange?Mar 18 10:38
oiaohmkontact and evolution should both be using the same interface to support Exchange.Mar 18 10:39
oiaohmkontact is QT based and will get ported to windows at some point.Mar 18 10:39
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/... "Back on Earth, meanwhile, NASA has confirmed that the bat seen clinging to the shuttle's external fuel tank during launch (see pic) was still hanging on for dear life as the vehicle cleared the tower and "likely perished quickly during Discovery’s climb into orbit"."Mar 18 10:40
oiaohmhttp://www.kolab.org/  << There is a commerial company hidden behind kontact.Mar 18 10:40
*schestowitz used kontact (kmail at the time) in 2003/4Mar 18 10:41
oiaohmkontact is not a bad program to use.Mar 18 10:42
oiaohmkmail still exists schestowitzMar 18 10:42
schestowitzSomeone believes that Microsoft may be behind ruining a CIO that does not like Microsoft: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/...Mar 18 10:42
schestowitzoiaohm: yes, I knowMar 18 10:43
schestowitzA komponent[sic]Mar 18 10:43
schestowitzObama's "enemy combatant" policy: following a familiar pattern < http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwa... >Mar 18 10:44
ZiggyFishoiaohm: kontact requires the exchange server to be configured to allow pop/imap to work, where as evolution doesn't it uses the the web font end (but will use the proper protocols in 2.26)Mar 18 10:45
schestowitzAnother explanation for the financial critis: http://www.truthout.org/031609A "Maverick Southern Methodist University economics professor Ravi Batra says the financial crisis is just one symptom of a long-festering economic disease - a disease caused by neglecting basic economic principles over the past 30 years."Mar 18 10:45
schestowitzoiaohm, ZiggyFish  have you seen this yet? Australia Threatens $11,000 Fines For Unapproved Linking < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/200... >Mar 18 10:47
schestowitzhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/... "The verdicts in two US trials are being appealed against because jurors made comments about them on social networking sites."Mar 18 10:50
ZiggyFishschestowitz: it's interesting, that they don't release the list, how are you meant to check your links if you have no idea what is on the listMar 18 10:52
schestowitzExactly. They don't understand the WebMar 18 10:55
schestowitzSome sites would sue you for just linking to themMar 18 10:55
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/So... What's the latency like on SD cards?Mar 18 11:10
schestowitzWhy did Slashdot tag this "astroturfing"? http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl...Mar 18 11:11
schestowitzI think Joseph Tartakoff, who covers Microsoft, may have just jumped shipMar 18 11:25
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oiaohmYes see the 11 000 fines.   Its not a straight up slam you.Mar 18 11:32
oiaohmseenMar 18 11:32
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oiaohmIf link was done in good faith you don't get hit by it.Mar 18 11:33
oiaohmIts a fine if you don't correct the problem in a suitable ammount of time.Mar 18 11:34
_Hicham_hi oiaohmMar 18 11:34
oiaohmZHi _Hicham_Mar 18 11:34
oiaohmLol nice typo.Mar 18 11:34
_Hicham_how r u doing?Mar 18 11:34
oiaohmFine _Hicham_Mar 18 11:34
schestowitzJoe didn't announce anything thoughMar 18 11:34
schestowitz"Novell Enterprises Inc., a Rahway, N.J., bridal jewelry manufacturer who lost about $250,000 to Fortunoff's bankruptcy and liquidation."  http://www.newsday.com/services/newsp...Mar 18 11:34
schestowitzMicrosoft may have signed another Linux patent racket-extortionMar 18 11:35
schestowitzLexmarkMar 18 11:35
schestowitzhttp://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Microsof...Mar 18 11:35
oiaohmMalicious alteration of data here can be a 15 year jail sentence.  11000 fine is very light.Mar 18 11:35
oiaohmYes one law covers breaking into servers and virus writing.Mar 18 11:36
oiaohmIt could backfire on Microsoft big time legally all these patent agreements.Mar 18 11:37
oiaohmLatency on SD cards is highly changable depend on maker of the card and the reader used.Mar 18 11:38
oiaohmTags can be assigned by any slashdot member schestowitzMar 18 11:40
schestowitzI see...Mar 18 11:54
schestowitzI thought it was the editor aloneMar 18 11:54
oiaohmAlso its part astroturfing for Ubuntu so the tag is not completely wrong.Mar 18 12:05
schestowitzIf it's grassroots, then it's not astroturfingMar 18 12:10
schestowitzUbuntu has many genuine fansMar 18 12:10
schestowitzAstroTurfing is faking grassrootsMar 18 12:10
oiaohmChrome has a Linux project ran by good.Mar 18 12:11
oiaohmgood/googleMar 18 12:11
oiaohmArtical is kinda making out that Ubuntu is the only source of Chrome on Linux.Mar 18 12:11
oiaohmIts minor AstroTurfing.Mar 18 12:11
schestowitzYes, I know.Mar 18 12:13
schestowitzStefano spread it a a little (tacone in BN IRC), but it's not intentionalMar 18 12:13
_Hicham_why firefox on windows is faster than firefox on linux?Mar 18 12:14
schestowitzHad it said Fedora, would that also count as astroturfing.Mar 18 12:14
schestowitz_Hicham_: ask mozillaMar 18 12:14
oiaohmMany things.  Its partly filesystem linked.Mar 18 12:14
schestowitzgtk.....Mar 18 12:14
schestowitzoptimisation..Mar 18 12:14
oiaohmfile system is fsync how its handled in Linux compared to windows.Mar 18 12:14
_Hicham_it is about javascript alsoMar 18 12:14
oiaohmfsync in Linux truely trys to work.Mar 18 12:15
_Hicham_have u seen an article saying that firefox on wine is faster than native firefox?Mar 18 12:15
_Hicham_?Mar 18 12:15
oiaohmX11 has some performance issues due to its desing.Mar 18 12:15
_Hicham_what do u say about that?Mar 18 12:15
benJImanFirefox in wine runs faster than native linux firefox too.Mar 18 12:15
oiaohmwindows firefox does not have the fsync issue.Mar 18 12:15
_Hicham_why?Mar 18 12:15
_Hicham_it is run on wineMar 18 12:16
_Hicham_so there is always fsyncMar 18 12:16
oiaohmAPI differences _Hicham_Mar 18 12:16
oiaohmWindows version does not use fsync.Mar 18 12:16
oiaohmThere is then complier differents GCC really does sux at optimising whole binary.Mar 18 12:17
_Hicham_why use it on Linux then?Mar 18 12:17
_Hicham_since it can be avoided?Mar 18 12:17
_Hicham_even firefox on windows is built with GCC, no?Mar 18 12:17
oiaohmFirefox on windows is built by MSVCMar 18 12:18
oiaohmgoal of fsync is to make sure data is saved to disk.   sqlite that firefox 3 and up is using runs it a lot.Mar 18 12:18
oiaohmThen depending on what filesystem you are using depends on how bad fsync hurts.Mar 18 12:19
oiaohmDefault ext3 turns out to hurt a lot.Mar 18 12:19
_Hicham_what about ext4?Mar 18 12:19
oiaohmLess than ext3 still not great.Mar 18 12:20
oiaohmSome Linux kernel developers are concidering adding a flag to file systems to disreguard fsync calls on a per filebase.Mar 18 12:20
schestowitzIBM to buy Sun Microsystems.Mar 18 12:20
schestowitzLet me verifyMar 18 12:20
oiaohmYes run the risk of data loss gain a lot of performance.Mar 18 12:20
oiaohmReally I wish mozilla would release firefox released built with llvm.Mar 18 12:21
_Hicham_oiaohm : can we avoid the fsync pb on linux?Mar 18 12:22
schestowitzhttp://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=14817Mar 18 12:22
schestowitzhttp://www.osnews.com/story/21154/...Mar 18 12:22
schestowitzhttp://localtechwire.com/business...Mar 18 12:22
schestowitzSun Shares Jump on I.B.M. Takeover Report  < http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/19/bu... >Mar 18 12:22
schestowitzProbably good for Java and OOo. I don't see how IBM can hurt these... http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1...Mar 18 12:23
oiaohm_Hicham_: It what you are trading away.  fsync is all about making sure data gets saved to disk.   Without it like firefox runs under windows.  Data is not made sure to be on disk.Mar 18 12:23
oiaohmBetter IBM than Microsoft schestowitzMar 18 12:23
schestowitzoiaohm: of Fujitsu evenMar 18 12:24
schestowitzIBM has an OK track record with Free softwareMar 18 12:24
schestowitzIt's also less likely to let SUN portfolio help WindowsMar 18 12:24
_Hicham_it is contributing a lot to eclipseMar 18 12:24
oiaohmSparc and PPC tech merged into 1 chip could be scary.Mar 18 12:24
schestowitzSPARC vs PowerPC?Mar 18 12:24
schestowitzoiaohm: hahaMar 18 12:25
_Hicham_Sun make NetBeans a monsterMar 18 12:25
schestowitzBeat me to itMar 18 12:25
schestowitzI thoguht the same thing, re h/wMar 18 12:25
oiaohmSPARC insanely fast int processing.Mar 18 12:25
schestowitzPower efficientMar 18 12:25
oiaohmPPC insanely fast floating point.Mar 18 12:25
schestowitzEither way, for IBM to have such 'open' portfolio would help its imageMar 18 12:25
_Hicham_oiaohm : have u ever tried a PGO optimized version of Firefox?Mar 18 12:25
schestowitzFunny thing is, well... SCO payments from SUNMar 18 12:26
_Hicham_i mean on LinuxMar 18 12:26
schestowitzLike IBM funding a suit against selfMar 18 12:26
oiaohmHave not wasted the processor time to find that out _Hicham_Mar 18 12:26
oiaohmIt takes quite a lot of processor time to build firefox.Mar 18 12:26
oiaohmNot really schestowitzMar 18 12:27
oiaohmSUN aquired the licence from SCO just in case SCO won.Mar 18 12:27
oiaohmIf SCO won SUN was going to rerelease the Linux kernel from then so killing of anyone else ever needing to pay SCO ever for Linux.Mar 18 12:28
oiaohmGood old chess games schestowitz.  SCO was going to lose even if they won.Mar 18 12:29
schestowitzThey wonMar 18 12:29
schestowitzThe goal was hardly to winMar 18 12:29
schestowitzBut to carry on with FUD for agesMar 18 12:29
schestowitzAssuming some theories hold waterMar 18 12:29
schestowitzBut that's another storyMar 18 12:29
oiaohmNo SCO goal at first was money.Mar 18 12:29
oiaohmThen FUD is kinda revenge for being screwed over.Mar 18 12:30
schestowitzThey are still flinging dung at Linux, but they lost their credibility after losing UNIX.Mar 18 12:30
oiaohmNovell wanted SCO dead.Mar 18 12:30
oiaohmSCO at the time was Novell biggest competitor in there markets.Mar 18 12:30
oiaohmSCO got screwed by Novell.   Got screwed by SUN so what was left.Mar 18 12:31
schestowitzI'll do a quick post about Joseph Tartakoff and tell what I know. Will copy here.Mar 18 13:06
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zer0c00ljust saw http://boycottnovell.com/2009/...Mar 18 13:26
zer0c00l:-)Mar 18 13:26
schestowitzYes, I enjoyed writing itMar 18 13:27
schestowitzI wrote about some of Microsoft's last signs of weakness: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/18...Mar 18 13:35
MinceRr4wrMar 18 13:59
_Hicham_according to distrowach openSUSE is secondMar 18 14:24
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Balrogso what do you think about Sun being acquired by IBM?Mar 18 14:34
Eruaraneh ?Mar 18 14:35
*Eruaran wakes upMar 18 14:35
EruaranMight be a good thing for SunMar 18 14:37
EruaranI think the big under reported item of the past week has been Cisco partnering with Red HatMar 18 14:38
EruaranWhat they announced was hefty enough to provoke a chair throwing incident in Redmond I thinkMar 18 14:39
BalrogI heard of thatMar 18 14:41
Balrog(the Cisco/Red Hat deal)Mar 18 14:41
EruaranIts bigger than most people seem to have realisedMar 18 14:42
EruaranIts quite comprehensive, and will provide a compelling offeringMar 18 14:43
MinceRwhatMar 18 14:46
MinceRisn't there an antitrust issue with that?Mar 18 14:48
EruaranWhy ?Mar 18 14:49
EruaranTechnically Cisco is acting as an OEM for Red HatMar 18 14:49
MinceRi mean, with ibm buying sunMar 18 14:50
EruaranI don't think anyone but Microsoft would complainMar 18 14:51
MinceRthough someone on /. is saying that sun is much, much smaller than ibmMar 18 14:51
MinceRi still wonder about their market share thoughMar 18 14:51
EruaranMySQLMar 18 14:54
EruaranOpenOffice.orgMar 18 14:54
EruaranOpenSolarisMar 18 14:54
MinceRok, sun is mostly crap, but that stuff still is popular :>Mar 18 14:55
BalrogMinceR: is java crap?Mar 18 14:56
MinceRyesMar 18 14:56
BalrogI wouldn't go that far.Mar 18 14:56
Balrogjava is foss, in any caseMar 18 14:56
MinceRunless one JVM is the only thing that's running on the host, perhapsMar 18 14:56
Balroggcj?Mar 18 14:56
MinceRi don't know how well that performsMar 18 14:56
BalrogI've heard that the 'official' HotSpot JVM performs very wellMar 18 14:57
Balrogsometimes better than compiled C codeMar 18 14:57
MinceRi've heard that dragons existMar 18 14:58
Balrog(from reliable sources)Mar 18 14:58
MinceRbut on the other hand, i've seen azureus gobble up all the memory on my computer and still run like shitMar 18 14:58
MinceRbblMar 18 14:58
BalrogI don't use Azureus. It's not that great, probably because of how it's codedMar 18 14:58
EruaranHave to admit I usually don't like Java appsMar 18 15:01
*Eruaran tries to think of a Java app he likesMar 18 15:01
EruaranIsn't Android Java based ?Mar 18 15:02
EruaranI like the Monopoly game on my cellphoneMar 18 15:03
Balrogjava is great for backend server stuffMar 18 15:03
EruaranThats JavaMar 18 15:03
Balrogmuch more reliable than ASP.NET :)Mar 18 15:03
Eruaran.NET makes things suckMar 18 15:03
EruaranThats all its forMar 18 15:03
Eruaranmaking things suckMar 18 15:04
EruaranAnyone have a favorite IDE ?Mar 18 15:04
BalrogI use eclipse.Mar 18 15:05
Balrogit's ugly but does the jobMar 18 15:05
EruaranahMar 18 15:05
EruaranI've been thinking of having a look at QtMar 18 15:05
BalrogI'd use it myself if I was writing a graphical C++ appMar 18 15:06
EruaranI want to create apps for Windows that are dependant on having KDE libraries installed ;)Mar 18 15:07
Balrogcouldn't you statically link? Many apps based on GTK+ include a local copy of GTK+Mar 18 15:08
schestowitzI've seamed this one together carefully: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/18/a... Some Red Hat seniors like Tiemann are regular readers of BN. I believe we ought to have reposted some of these concerns as an open letter asking for a response.  Maybe they'll trash the patent, who known...Mar 18 15:08
EruaranOur monthly company meeting is this weekendMar 18 15:08
schestowitz*knowsMar 18 15:08
EruaranSomeone has asked me to demo Linux Mint 6 KDEMar 18 15:08
EruaranBalrog: yes, but I'm a KDE fanboy ;)Mar 18 15:09
schestowitzEruaran: I agree, the Cisco news is grossly underreportedMar 18 15:09
EruaranThe Microsoft Press isn't going to promote it :PMar 18 15:10
schestowitzOf courseMar 18 15:11
schestowitzit gives great credibility to GNU/LinuxMar 18 15:11
schestowitzCisco did other moves recently vs MicrosoftMar 18 15:11
schestowitzLike an attack on Exchange ServerMar 18 15:11
schestowitzThey have Red Hat and they bought PostPathMar 18 15:12
EruaranYesMar 18 15:12
EruaranI think I like where Cisco is going with thisMar 18 15:12
schestowitzThey also have jabber now, for commsMar 18 15:12
Eruaran:)Mar 18 15:12
schestowitzCisco is a GPL violator, but..Mar 18 15:12
EruaranohMar 18 15:12
schestowitzIt explots FOSS, it doesn't attack itMar 18 15:12
schestowitzSo I'd rather see them replace Microsoft in the back roomMar 18 15:12
EruaranThey do contribute to the Linux kernelMar 18 15:12
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schestowitzWeaken the company that's squealing because we FOSS people spread Linux on the desktop and drive Windows margins to $0Mar 18 15:13
schestowitzCisco doesn't care about desktopMar 18 15:13
schestowitzIt won't mind if Linux won the desktopMar 18 15:13
schestowitzIt sells routersMar 18 15:13
schestowitzWe have 3 tiersMar 18 15:13
EruaranI think their partnership with Red Had is a strong dealMar 18 15:13
EruaranBoth concentrating on their respective strengthsMar 18 15:13
schestowitzWhen we use the computers in the Net era,  we have desktops, servers and the stuff between themMar 18 15:13
schestowitzCisco is usually in-betweenMar 18 15:14
schestowitzRed Hat is strong on the serverMar 18 15:14
schestowitzApple and Microsoft mostly exist on the deskotpMar 18 15:14
EruaranCisco is going to do Red Hat serversMar 18 15:14
schestowitzMicrosoft has some share also on the server.Mar 18 15:14
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Eruaranvirtualized offeringsMar 18 15:14
schestowitzThat's because oft he VoleMar 18 15:14
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schestowitzMicrosoft screwed over CiscoMar 18 15:14
schestowitzCiscoMar 18 15:14
schestowitzCisco can't let Microsoft be strongMar 18 15:14
schestowitzSo it runs to Red HatMar 18 15:15
schestowitzHold on..Mar 18 15:15
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*Guest24457 is now known as Balrog_Mar 18 15:16
schestowitzSummarised here: http://boycottnovell.com/2007/09/22/no...Mar 18 15:17
Balrog_so ... I'm switching over to nouveauMar 18 15:17
Balrog_from the legacy nvidia driverMar 18 15:17
schestowitzBalrog_: good.Mar 18 15:17
schestowitzI'll get it if I migrate to Fedora nextMar 18 15:17
schestowitzF11 default, IIRCMar 18 15:17
Balrog_no 3D though :/Mar 18 15:18
Balrog_but that will come eventuallyMar 18 15:18
schestowitzWell, no acceleration maybeMar 18 15:20
Balrog_there is 2D accelerationMar 18 15:20
schestowitzI use my graphics cards only for dual head really.Mar 18 15:20
Balrog_and I hear it's better than that nv driverMar 18 15:20
schestowitzEverything is better than nv :-DMar 18 15:20
Balrog_ever proprietary nvidia legacy driver is better than nv .... (sigh)Mar 18 15:21
schestowitzIIRC, there are big NSA clusters and other rendering farms that use NVIDIA on LinuxMar 18 15:21
EruaranInstalled Ubuntu on a Fujitsu A1110 last week, all Intel graphics. Was nice to see 3D accellerated graphics working nicely without proprietary drivers in use at all.Mar 18 15:21
Balrog_those use the proprietary non-legacy driverMar 18 15:21
schestowitzSadly, they care only about performance, not freedom/security/etcMar 18 15:21
Balrog_Intel gpu chips aren't that great when it comes to performance :/Mar 18 15:21
schestowitz /sNSA/ANASA/Mar 18 15:21
Balrog_yes, unfortunatelyMar 18 15:21
schestowitz /s/NSA/NASA/Mar 18 15:22
EruaranYes, but for folks who don't have any demanding graphics requirements its niceMar 18 15:22
schestowitzIs IBM/SUN still in rumour status?Mar 18 15:23
Eruaranappears to beMar 18 15:24
schestowitzLOL: Hypocrite Microsoft says "the patents aren't worth much" < http://digg.com/linux_unix/Hypocrite_... >Mar 18 15:24
schestowitzHow's this coming along? Valve's Source Engine Coming To Linux < http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?p... >Mar 18 15:30
EruaranhmmMar 18 15:31
schestowitzDidn't they go benkrupt or something?Mar 18 15:31
schestowitzLet me recheck to be sureMar 18 15:32
EruaranMicrosoft will say anything...Mar 18 15:34
schestowitzConfused with another company, methinksMar 18 15:34
zer0c00lhttp://boycottnovell.com/2009/0... nice picture :DMar 18 15:34
schestowitzI must be thinking about another company that was in the process of porting to LinuxMar 18 15:34
twitterhttp://www.reuters.com/article/n...Mar 18 15:34
schestowitzzer0c00l: tanks, it ain't mineMar 18 15:34
zer0c00l:DMar 18 15:34
schestowitztwitter: not scaryMar 18 15:35
schestowitzI was more worried about mysql getting snatchedMar 18 15:35
twitterIBM Sun deal will be good for Sun and free software.Mar 18 15:35
schestowitzVirtualbox at IBM...Mar 18 15:35
schestowitzWhat does IBM offers as hypervisor?Mar 18 15:35
schestowitzThey put Linux on zosMar 18 15:35
schestowitzBlades and UNIX with Linux virtualisedMar 18 15:35
twitterBetter than Sun failing or being bought by M$.Mar 18 15:35
schestowitzThey have Eclipse in a wayMar 18 15:35
schestowitzNot a rival of Java...Mar 18 15:36
schestowitzOpenSolaris would be drain worthy thoughMar 18 15:36
twitterin any case, I think this is no longer a rumorMar 18 15:36
schestowitzDon't see a reason for IBM to work on it. It has AIXMar 18 15:36
twitterSolaris is a sizable marketMar 18 15:36
schestowitztwitter: Sun makes no sense for MSMar 18 15:36
schestowitzBesides, Microsoft no longer has the $$Mar 18 15:37
twitterextinguish, threaten, patent extortionMar 18 15:37
schestowitzIt won't even buy Yahoo on the cheapMar 18 15:37
schestowitzIt ran away from near-acuisitions of another company whose name I forget. Cringely wrote about itMar 18 15:37
twitterat $5B, Sun is cheap treats.  M$ could do some kind of bogus stock swap.Mar 18 15:37
schestowitzSo Schwartz might not get sacked after all ... just become 'redundant'Mar 18 15:37
schestowitzBray has something ahead as a careerMar 18 15:38
schestowitzHeh!Mar 18 15:38
schestowitzMurdock!Mar 18 15:38
schestowitzWhat will he do? Slowaris?Mar 18 15:38
twitterSun has moved more towards free software and further from their disastrous dealings with M$.Mar 18 15:39
schestowitzAny word on what a Blue Hat might mean to Solaris? IBM already has AIX and Linux.Mar 18 15:40
twitterThey can move further and it would be nice to have their hardware really work with free software.Mar 18 15:40
schestowitzYes, I like the ideaMar 18 15:40
schestowitzRather than see Sun decomatedMar 18 15:40
schestowitzBUTMar 18 15:40
schestowitzThis is very bad for indurtyMar 18 15:40
schestowitzFree marketMar 18 15:40
twitterWhat hardware does IBM really have?Mar 18 15:40
schestowitzFor a depression to make small companies and choice prey to bigger companiesMar 18 15:41
schestowitzMore centralisation of power that is.Mar 18 15:41
schestowitzOn the CHEAPMar 18 15:41
twitterYes, it's bad for the market, but Sun dug it's grave with a long non free software fight.Mar 18 15:41
schestowitztwitter: Toshiba and stuff. They assemble and they have patentsMar 18 15:41
schestowitzIBM puts the blue logo on stuffMar 18 15:41
schestowitzThey sold the computer division to LenovoMar 18 15:41
schestowitzLenovo does badly nowMar 18 15:42
twitterdo they?Mar 18 15:42
twitterLenovo also whored to M$.Mar 18 15:42
schestowitzI left a comment in Phipps' blogMar 18 15:42
EruaranAsus doing 24 hour service support nowMar 18 15:42
schestowitzViruses... heheMar 18 15:43
twitteroh dearMar 18 15:43
schestowitzFrom Easy easy easy (EEE) to virus, virus, virusMar 18 15:43
EruaranTheir service centres are goodMar 18 15:43
EruaranIts a smart moveMar 18 15:43
schestowitz[sarcasm] maybe they moved to Windows to feed the support unit ($$)Mar 18 15:44
schestowitzBroken windows theory...Mar 18 15:44
EruaranThis is not relatedMar 18 15:44
EruaranTheir service centres have a good reputation so its smart to build on that during lean times when sales are dropping but servicing is stableMar 18 15:45
schestowitzYes, I see.Mar 18 15:46
schestowitzSame in other areas --- repair grows at the expense of purchasesMar 18 15:46
EruaranyesMar 18 15:46
schestowitzMechanics, shoemakers, maintenance, second-hand stuff (auctions)Mar 18 15:46
schestowitzGood rot environment. For greed -- not so much,Mar 18 15:47
schestowitz*forMar 18 15:47
EruaranWe are heavily service basedMar 18 15:47
EruaranWe see servicing go up when retail goes downMar 18 15:47
schestowitzhttp://www.schneier.com/blog/arch... (Leaving Infants in the Car)Mar 18 15:48
schestowitzservice has good marginsMar 18 15:48
schestowitzExpenditure: timeMar 18 15:48
schestowitzThat's why the FOSS model is powerfulMar 18 15:48
EruaranyesMar 18 15:48
Eruarantake systems for exampleMar 18 15:49
Eruaraneven on a basic saleMar 18 15:49
Eruaranour margins on Linux systems is largerMar 18 15:49
schestowitzhttp://blog.wired.com/busines... "What Loopt — and now Google — are asserting is this: when you tell your friends where you are, you are using a public conveyance to communicate privately."Mar 18 15:49
schestowitzGoogle is creepy sometimes. Does fun things, but this has conseuqnces.Mar 18 15:50
schestowitzToshiba lost its head: http://www.pcworld.com/article/161457/tos...Mar 18 15:50
EruaranSaw reported on the news tonight that Police in New South Wales tapped more than 90,000 phone calls last yearMar 18 15:52
EruaranToshiba aren't what they used to beMar 18 15:53
twittermight be why IBM has to suck Sun's head.Mar 18 15:53
twitterbblMar 18 15:54


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