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| schestowitz | Connection to Sutor, I think. Can't recall which or how. | Mar 20 17:29 |
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| jose_X | anyway, the ie8 yahoo thing is likely nothing, but wanted to bring it up in case other patterns develop | Mar 20 17:29 |
| schestowitz | jose_X: yahoo and ms are likely to strike a deal | Mar 20 17:30 |
| schestowitz | Carole Bartz speaks to SweatyB these days | Mar 20 17:30 |
| jose_X | ballmer was talking again and looking at the past.. i know | Mar 20 17:30 |
| schestowitz | jose_X: Yahoo promoted Firefox 3 | Mar 20 17:30 |
| schestowitz | That was about 6 months ago | Mar 20 17:30 |
| schestowitz | When Yang and Decker were running the haus | Mar 20 17:30 |
| jose_X | that could also be leverage to get a better deal | Mar 20 17:30 |
| jose_X | in any case, don't want to make much of it, but i couldn't help but notice | Mar 20 17:31 |
| schestowitz | jose_X: what to do about Allen? | Mar 20 17:31 |
| schestowitz | Can we use this to show anything of substance? | Mar 20 17:31 |
| jose_X | keep track for now | Mar 20 17:32 |
| jose_X | i would like to reach out to more groups | Mar 20 17:32 |
| schestowitz | OK | Mar 20 17:32 |
| schestowitz | Got it | Mar 20 17:32 |
| jose_X | foss is natural fit for many popular causes | Mar 20 17:32 |
| jose_X | everyone knows about bad music companies, but less know about bad microsoft | Mar 20 17:32 |
| jose_X | i would love to tie ticketmaster and monopoly abuse closer and closer to microsoft | Mar 20 17:33 |
| schestowitz | jose_X: added for posting later | Mar 20 17:34 |
| schestowitz | MS does funny things in ireland | Mar 20 17:34 |
| schestowitz | EU in general | Mar 20 17:34 |
| jose_X | will leave soon, ok... | Mar 20 17:34 |
| schestowitz | jose_X: wait | Mar 20 17:34 |
| jose_X | ok | Mar 20 17:35 |
| schestowitz | One last recommendation: since I watch it last night and it's relevant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mUhTwmU... | Mar 20 17:35 |
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| schestowitz | *watched | Mar 20 17:35 |
| jose_X | roy, definitely cache if you can | Mar 20 17:36 |
| jose_X | not just cache though | Mar 20 17:37 |
| jose_X | static html for pages that have comments closed | Mar 20 17:37 |
| jose_X | and maybe keep around a static page for each post (not the homepage).. update the static page once daily and feed it to spiders | Mar 20 17:37 |
| jose_X | this way spiders/crawlers/etc don't get updated comments, but that is ok since renewed daily | Mar 20 17:38 |
| jose_X | ..for them | Mar 20 17:38 |
| jose_X | of course, i really don't know the overhead of wp dynamic pages | Mar 20 17:39 |
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| jose_X | btw, static pages would make a huge database bigger.. not sure ratio.. maybe keep static pages for rolling 6 months from say 9mo back to 3months back | Mar 20 17:40 |
| jose_X | couldn't tell you how to do this through wordpress | Mar 20 17:41 |
| jose_X | also, you'd need to tune the values to your website load | Mar 20 17:41 |
| schestowitz | jose_X: yes, I'm working on cache | Mar 20 17:44 |
| schestowitz | it's tricky because it makes it hard for me to view pages and update them too | Mar 20 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Another plugin I had is not compatible: tags cloud | Mar 20 17:44 |
| schestowitz | No big deal.. | Mar 20 17:44 |
| schestowitz | I'll find replacements, maybe overhaul the thing. | Mar 20 17:45 |
| schestowitz | I'm restoring bits in 'phases' | Mar 20 17:46 |
| schestowitz | Just did the sidebar | Mar 20 17:46 |
| jose_X | a different website with a different host company can hold static pages and then do a redirect. That would allow that other host to use a fast light webserver | Mar 20 17:47 |
| jose_X | there may be a mismatch in domain names... i don't have experience doing this, btw | Mar 20 17:48 |
| schestowitz | jose_X: another hoist would be pricey | Mar 20 17:48 |
| schestowitz | I got a reply this morning | Mar 20 17:48 |
| schestowitz | I'd rather make this one scale | Mar 20 17:48 |
| schestowitz | LinuxToday probably runs on one box | Mar 20 17:49 |
| jose_X | you have the full box? | Mar 20 17:49 |
| schestowitz | But it has jupitermedia behind it, so they might have quite a lot of racks to spare | Mar 20 17:49 |
| schestowitz | jose_X: no | Mar 20 17:49 |
| jose_X | what exactly would be pricey.. just asking to get things straight | Mar 20 17:49 |
| jose_X | is it another hosting account or getting a new provider as well | Mar 20 17:50 |
| jose_X | the static pages can be served from a lower priced system using a lowmem footprint and fast webserver | Mar 20 17:50 |
| jose_X | you can keep the same provider but would need to pay for more.. however, the scaling may improve (ie, help your dollars long term) | Mar 20 17:51 |
| schestowitz | ARM FTW: http://www.internetnews.com/hardwar... | Mar 20 17:51 |
| schestowitz | jose_X: hold on | Mar 20 17:52 |
| schestowitz | on phone | Mar 20 17:52 |
| jose_X | if you exhaust other options consider a fractional move to static pages... now let me look at the link above | Mar 20 17:52 |
| schestowitz | "Veasey filed a similar bill in 2007. It got national attention from technology journalists and bloggers but went nowhere largely because of aggressive lobbying by Microsoft, he said. " http://www.star-telegram.com/metr... | Mar 20 17:58 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft declined interview requests for this report. In an e-mailed statement, McKee said the company supports the committee report’s recommendation. "Choice and competition are driving increased interoperability and cost savings, as well as spurring innovation and economic opportunity," McKee said." | Mar 20 17:59 |
| schestowitz | "Socialism? Are Britain's conservatives now Socialists?" http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=3745 "This constant repetition of the word "socialist" to mean anything one doesn't like is silly." | Mar 20 17:59 |
| schestowitz | I'm mentioned here: The Windows-versus-Linux server face-off < http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/-windows-v... > | Mar 20 18:05 |
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| jose_X | thanks for the link schestowitz (rms on copyright) | Mar 20 18:15 |
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| jose_X | schestowitz, again thanks for the link. rms has some good analogies that would reach a wide audience (well, if you get a hot chick to give the presentation) | Mar 20 18:34 |
| jose_X | if the law (in the US, sorry) is unconstitutional and we can once and for all make a great argument of it publicly and get lots of press coverage and people to agree.. | Mar 20 18:35 |
| jose_X | or if the law is being misused... | Mar 20 18:36 |
| jose_X | it should almost them become automatic for a mass movement to start using their constitutional rights | Mar 20 18:36 |
| jose_X | a brave few souls with money and packed with arguments or a large group should get the courts to cut the law down in size | Mar 20 18:37 |
| jose_X | copyright and patent law to whatever degree these fail | Mar 20 18:37 |
| schestowitz | I liked the chair analogy | Mar 20 18:37 |
| jose_X | yeah | Mar 20 18:37 |
| schestowitz | Duplicating a chair | Mar 20 18:37 |
| jose_X | better than the computer analogy he could have used instead | Mar 20 18:38 |
| schestowitz | Good rebuttal to common criticism | Mar 20 18:38 |
| jose_X | gets the point across to more people who otherwise might think a computer has magical powers | Mar 20 18:38 |
| schestowitz | I know those... | Mar 20 18:38 |
| jose_X | i just finished part 3 | Mar 20 18:39 |
| jose_X | we gave up rights that we could not use back then.. | Mar 20 18:39 |
| jose_X | however, i think we never gave up the rights.. we simply failed to critique the unconstitutional laws (or enforcements) like we should have because we had little to lose by going along | Mar 20 18:40 |
| jose_X | and taking the (then) easier route. | Mar 20 18:40 |
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| jose_X | ie, we didn't give up rights because they are still in the us constitution.. we simply accepted imperfect laws (or imperfect interpretations of it) because few people had much to lose back then | Mar 20 18:41 |
| jose_X | and arguably many more had to gain. | Mar 20 18:42 |
| jose_X | btw, the us constitution is more difficult to change than ordinary law.. and it takes precedence. | Mar 20 18:42 |
| schestowitz | It is similar wrt patents. They sought justification and brainwashed for erosion of rights | Mar 20 18:47 |
| schestowitz | To prevent you from sharing paper books was never possible | Mar 20 18:47 |
| schestowitz | Now you have Kindle which says you can't even read out loud (watch EULA or whatever the licence is called) | Mar 20 18:48 |
| jose_X | there are some weak points in rms' argument, but these can all be patched up | Mar 20 18:49 |
| jose_X | i think for example that a reasoning that might be used to extend copyright protection period.. | Mar 20 18:50 |
| jose_X | is that it would further promote the progress of sc/arts.. vs how things were before | Mar 20 18:51 |
| jose_X | and they can try to point to how today more people are writing stuff to say that the increases in writing and growth etc were due to increases in copyright law over time | Mar 20 18:51 |
| jose_X | of course, that is nonsense. | Mar 20 18:52 |
| jose_X | it's like when people say foss can handle the novell deal and will grow | Mar 20 18:52 |
| jose_X | well, yeah, foss will hopefully grow in spite of not becuase of the ms-novell deal | Mar 20 18:52 |
| trmanco | today a saw a cluster loaded with Ubuntu | Mar 20 18:53 |
| jose_X | about the only promotion that comes with these deals is in polarizing to help effect change to normalcy a little quicker | Mar 20 18:53 |
| jose_X | i can understand why rms may not want to focus on us constitutional law. | Mar 20 18:55 |
| jose_X | because the end goal should be to convince people to create good laws regardless of the past | Mar 20 18:56 |
| jose_X | it just so happens we might have protections already.. but if we didn't.. or if the constitution got change.. | Mar 20 18:56 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: I sorted out the server, I think | Mar 20 18:56 |
| jose_X | the message should still be the same.. that some laws help us and some don't | Mar 20 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Shane and I have just implemented/installed caching, which from now on does not call PHP (and MySQL) unless the pages are changed. | Mar 20 18:56 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, BN? | Mar 20 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Yes. | Mar 20 18:57 |
| trmanco | use memcached | Mar 20 18:57 |
| schestowitz | jose_X: the talk is not very well presented | Mar 20 18:57 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: no, wp-cache | Mar 20 18:57 |
| trmanco | may help too | Mar 20 18:57 |
| schestowitz | In order to do this, we upgraded the CMS, installed extra software, trimmed down the pages, and I monitored the effect carefully (Server Load is now "0.58 (4 cpus)"). This should be robust to heavy loads because pages are served 'statistically'. Beforehand, pages were regenerated upon each request. | Mar 20 18:57 |
| trmanco | oh, script level cache | Mar 20 18:57 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, wp-super cache is more powerfull | Mar 20 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmmmm... | Mar 20 18:57 |
| *schestowitz tempted | Mar 20 18:58 | |
| jose_X | i don't mind it at all, but mainstream may benefit from a laser light show and sexy models | Mar 20 18:58 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: can it cache pages based on their age? | Mar 20 18:58 |
| jose_X | and a more animated speaker | Mar 20 18:58 |
| schestowitz | That would be ideal | Mar 20 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Caching in this way is simple and it works. I am surprised we didn't do this before (someone gave me this advice). It offers a tremendous boost to performance and also lowers -- quite considerably -- the load. | Mar 20 18:58 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, AFAIK, wp super cache is wp-cache, but more tuned | Mar 20 18:58 |
| schestowitz | jose_X: he stuttered at times | Mar 20 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Or struggled a little with points, compared to other talks anyway | Mar 20 18:59 |
| schestowitz | "raise funny" | Mar 20 18:59 |
| jose_X | make sure for caching that in fact the page is being reused | Mar 20 18:59 |
| schestowitz | He wasn't sure whether to say "funds" or "money" or sais | Mar 20 18:59 |
| schestowitz | So he uttered "raise funny" | Mar 20 18:59 |
| jose_X | :-) | Mar 20 19:00 |
| schestowitz | jose_X: it is, for a period of 1 hour | Mar 20 19:00 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, -> http://ocaoimh.ie/wp-super-cache/ | Mar 20 19:00 |
| trmanco | wp-cache works great, I was just saying | Mar 20 19:00 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: I've bookmarked it | Mar 20 19:02 |
| schestowitz | I know the guy | Mar 20 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Automattic's employee #2 | Mar 20 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Or #1 | Mar 20 19:02 |
| jose_X | ok, was reading through the wp super cache page.. | Mar 20 19:02 |
| schestowitz | He made WP MU | Mar 20 19:02 |
| schestowitz | A predecessor anyway | Mar 20 19:02 |
| trmanco | didn't know that | Mar 20 19:02 |
| schestowitz | He was the first with multi-user WP | Mar 20 19:03 |
| schestowitz | But it was a hack | Mar 20 19:03 |
| jose_X | if the cache is to disk (i think it is) then this is great and you can probably keep the page there for much longer than 1 hour (days or months maybe) | Mar 20 19:03 |
| schestowitz | Mattt Mullenweg and him got together and founded the company | Mar 20 19:03 |
| schestowitz | They turned the GPL s/w into a business | Mar 20 19:03 |
| jose_X | also, it seems to work for those not logged in which is what you want | Mar 20 19:03 |
| trmanco | so internet exploder 8 was released already | Mar 20 19:03 |
| schestowitz | They got/raised $29m in funding last year | Mar 20 19:03 |
| trmanco | and I've tried it... | Mar 20 19:03 |
| schestowitz | Wine? | Mar 20 19:04 |
| trmanco | and it sucks big time, wanna know why? | Mar 20 19:04 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Mar 20 19:04 |
| schestowitz | SJVN likes it | Mar 20 19:04 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, no, on Windows | Mar 20 19:04 |
| schestowitz | I know. | Mar 20 19:04 |
| jose_X | why? | Mar 20 19:04 |
| schestowitz | i was kiddin' | Mar 20 19:04 |
| jose_X | besides the obvious reasons | Mar 20 19:04 |
| trmanco | jose_X, had to restart the damn machine *twice* | Mar 20 19:04 |
| jose_X | why | Mar 20 19:04 |
| trmanco | jose_X, cause I was forced to | Mar 20 19:04 |
| jose_X | on a per use basis.. that would be funny | Mar 20 19:04 |
| trmanco | as always | Mar 20 19:04 |
| jose_X | to install it right? | Mar 20 19:05 |
| trmanco | jose_X, yes | Mar 20 19:05 |
| trmanco | the final release is worse then the RC | Mar 20 19:05 |
| trmanco | I installed the RC with 1 reboot | Mar 20 19:05 |
| trmanco | but I found a snapy little thing, it colors parent tabs | Mar 20 19:05 |
| schestowitz | Currently just "459 cached pages" | Mar 20 19:06 |
| schestowitz | I'll increase the intervaks | Mar 20 19:06 |
| trmanco | nothing a Firefox extension can't do, but that was the only useful feature that probably is useful | Mar 20 19:06 |
| schestowitz | *vals | Mar 20 19:06 |
| schestowitz | Firefox is all about tabs | Mar 20 19:07 |
| trmanco | but the stupid double rebooting to install a stupid piece of software like that isn't worth it | Mar 20 19:07 |
| schestowitz | The ignorant reviewer will assess barebones FF if he wants to smash it for attention | Mar 20 19:07 |
| trmanco | they also stole the awesome bar idea from FF 3.0 | Mar 20 19:07 |
| schestowitz | Opera and IE come more 'bloated' | Mar 20 19:07 |
| jose_X | schestowitz, if that was correct, then just watch the disk growth space.. if you have enough, then keep the pages on cache longer | Mar 20 19:07 |
| trmanco | Opera is different | Mar 20 19:07 |
| schestowitz | Firefox is like WordPress. It comes light, lets you make your own 'pizza' | Mar 20 19:08 |
| trmanco | for linux, it uses "cute" | Mar 20 19:08 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, indeed | Mar 20 19:08 |
| trmanco | you get to put extra toppings and everything, hell, you can also invent certain topping | Mar 20 19:08 |
| trmanco | toppings | Mar 20 19:08 |
| jose_X | mmmmm | Mar 20 19:09 |
| schestowitz | Expire time (in seconds): 20000 | Mar 20 19:09 |
| schestowitz | Maybe not enough | Mar 20 19:09 |
| schestowitz | It's not what I want though | Mar 20 19:09 |
| schestowitz | I want cache to be applied mostly to old pages, not frequently accessed ones | Mar 20 19:10 |
| schestowitz | People won't see the latest comments | Mar 20 19:10 |
| schestowitz | I was using that Kramer story as an analogy | Mar 20 19:10 |
| schestowitz | Cosmo Kramer invention #1 < http://www.youtube.com/wat... > | Mar 20 19:11 |
| jose_X | ok i see | Mar 20 19:11 |
| jose_X | you will need to find out how you can give the old an infinite time and the new a finite time | Mar 20 19:12 |
| jose_X | the new finite time only so that you can get an update after so many comments have been posted on a page | Mar 20 19:12 |
| schestowitz | It's not so crucial, I guess. | Mar 20 19:12 |
| jose_X | not sure if the plugin does it or if you will need a hack or do so manually | Mar 20 19:13 |
| jose_X | now might be a good time to get into some forum or send an email to developers | Mar 20 19:13 |
| jose_X | well, after we look at docs more aggressively | Mar 20 19:13 |
| jose_X | the downtime was minor i suppose, though you don't want to miss slashdot/digg effects | Mar 20 19:14 |
| schestowitz | Iran blogger dies in Evin prison < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/... > | Mar 20 19:14 |
| schestowitz | jose_X: we'll see. It might get worse when I get back to Comes | Mar 20 19:14 |
| trmanco | wow, just received an update for Thunderbird in Ubuntu, thing went fast this time | Mar 20 19:16 |
| trmanco | things* | Mar 20 19:16 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is still seeking a Yahoo partnership, Ballmer says < http://blog.seattlepi.com/micros... > | Mar 20 19:18 |
| jose_X | from the wpcache page>> A plugin and hooks system. A common complaint with WP Cache was that hacking was required to make it work nicely with other plugins. Now you can take advantage of the simple plugin system built in to change how or when pages are cached. Use do_cacheaction() and add_cacheaction() like you would with WordPress hooks. Plugins can add their own options to the admin page too. | Mar 20 19:23 |
| jose_X | "how and when pages are cached" | Mar 20 19:23 |
| jose_X | so a little coding (eg, check date of page and if user logged in) can help establish your policy | Mar 20 19:24 |
| jose_X | i'm assuming this hook system is how you would most efficiently/cleanly solve your problem.. assuming no such feature exists.. | Mar 20 19:24 |
| schestowitz | Yes, not yet though. No time.. maybe in the weekend. | Mar 20 19:24 |
| jose_X | check out this feature (in case you didn't know) >> A “lock down” button. I like to think of this as my “Digg Proof” button. This basically prepares your site for a heavy digging or slashdotting. It locks down the static cache files and doesn’t delete them when a new comment is made. | Mar 20 19:25 |
| jose_X | and >> Supercache static files can be regenerated while serving a slightly out of date file. This will significantly lower the load on a busy server with lots of traffic and comments. Think of it as an automatic “lock down mode” for every page on your site. | Mar 20 19:26 |
| jose_X | that dynamic updating might be the best of all worlds | Mar 20 19:27 |
| jose_X | update only if the load is below a certain point | Mar 20 19:27 |
| jose_X | ie, keep a list of what needs to be updated and take the next item in the (eg) queue when the server is taking a breather | Mar 20 19:27 |
| jose_X | make sure to turn this feature on.. | Mar 20 19:28 |
| jose_X | with it maybe you can keep cache expiration on for an indefinite amount of time | Mar 20 19:29 |
| jose_X | roy, also consider keeping handy a list of urls that you want to have on cache | Mar 20 19:30 |
| jose_X | this way whenever the cache gets wiped out, you can have a wget script (using the wget delay feature) to quickly fill the cache again with the set | Mar 20 19:30 |
| jose_X | or maybe this cache plugin even has that (to auto generate cache pages from a list of urls) | Mar 20 19:31 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmmm.. I see... | Mar 20 19:32 |
| schestowitz | Well, Slashdot/Digg ought to be handles with the current mechanism | Mar 20 19:32 |
| schestowitz | Comments are not an issue if you don't see the latest | Mar 20 19:32 |
| jose_X | right | Mar 20 19:32 |
| jose_X | well, for spiders and for high load cases | Mar 20 19:32 |
| schestowitz | As for Digg, it's marketing people who seem to have hijacked it from real users | Mar 20 19:33 |
| schestowitz | So unless there's someone shout-spamming there like pavs, it won't make it | Mar 20 19:33 |
| schestowitz | Digg makes me sick now. I still visit it sometimes, but fewer people do. Their ranks are dropping, too, so it's not just me. | Mar 20 19:34 |
| jose_X | without expensive overhead, can you set up a timer so that refreshes done too fast get returned a message to "slow down" ? | Mar 20 19:34 |
| schestowitz | Carla read it for a while, not sure if she still does | Mar 20 19:34 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's mischiefs in the UK (with the help of cronies): http://www.h-online.com/open/Health-Ch... | Mar 20 19:35 |
| jose_X | >> Remember that dynamic content such as that within the sidebar, will only refresh when the cached pages are refreshed. This timeout value can be modified, but cached files will only be removed if you have a healthy mix of static and dynamic requests. | Mar 20 19:38 |
| jose_X | here is one thing to watch for.. | Mar 20 19:38 |
| jose_X | the last access of a page (and while not expired from cache).. | Mar 20 19:38 |
| jose_X | will keep the same text ads in place to repeated visitors | Mar 20 19:39 |
| jose_X | so if you ever find a page that has bad ads, just clear that one out | Mar 20 19:39 |
| jose_X | i say this because a desperate marketing company may decide to continuously clean out the page (eg, by login in) until their ads come up | Mar 20 19:39 |
| jose_X | yes, i'm pushing it, i know.. but wanted to mention this tid bit in case it becomes a noticeable issue | Mar 20 19:40 |
| jose_X | btw, if javascript loads the ads then no worry. only an issue if they are constructed by the server. | Mar 20 19:42 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/en... | Mar 20 19:43 |
| schestowitz | i don't see ads | Mar 20 19:44 |
| schestowitz | i dont' get nothing from them, either | Mar 20 19:44 |
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| schestowitz | I have many posts to do but not enough time. I'll catch up over the weekend | Mar 20 19:49 |
| schestowitz | Jeremy Garcia has just added Mint: http://www.linuxquestions.org/quest... | Mar 20 19:50 |
| schestowitz | "We are releasing a new Linux Distro called Ultra X Linux." http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions... | Mar 20 19:50 |
| schestowitz | "You know what else may already be dead PCWORLD? Print Magazines! Best wrap it up now and turn off the lights before you're just an embarrassment of print ad's and useless blog-esque articles." http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/35200 | Mar 20 20:06 |
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| schestowitz | Gaming in Linux < http://brajeshwar.com/2009/gam... > What about wine for those who insist? | Mar 20 20:14 |
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| schestowitz | Nice theme here: | Mar 20 20:18 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techideas.co.uk/2009/03/19... | Mar 20 20:18 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techideas.co.uk/2009/0... | Mar 20 20:18 |
| jose_X | in part 5 of the rms copyright youtube video.. | Mar 20 20:19 |
| jose_X | he misses an argument that will be used against him | Mar 20 20:20 |
| jose_X | the people that want 100000 years of copyright | Mar 20 20:20 |
| jose_X | want it just like property owners want rights forever | Mar 20 20:20 |
| jose_X | market opportunities come and go | Mar 20 20:20 |
| jose_X | you want to own forever to be there when the high prices and opportunities come around | Mar 20 20:20 |
| jose_X | corps that might live forever, don't want to give things up.. even if they fold, it's value they have when being bought out or liquidating | Mar 20 20:21 |
| jose_X | so you need to make sure you address that arg. | Mar 20 20:21 |
| schestowitz | Good news from the Philippines: http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingne... | Mar 20 20:21 |
| jose_X | his whole discussion addresses that point, but you don't want to give the opponent distractor points if possible | Mar 20 20:22 |
| schestowitz | People pass away, not companies | Mar 20 20:22 |
| schestowitz | But people too have siblings | Mar 20 20:22 |
| jose_X | right | Mar 20 20:22 |
| jose_X | the estate | Mar 20 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Like Nancy Sinatra lobbying for this BS | Mar 20 20:22 |
| jose_X | you are right, my mistake | Mar 20 20:23 |
| schestowitz | But we don't need PD | Mar 20 20:23 |
| schestowitz | We already have CC | Mar 20 20:23 |
| schestowitz | Hold on. | Mar 20 20:23 |
| schestowitz | http://sites.google.com/si... | Mar 20 20:23 |
| jose_X | i'm not focusing on copyrights right now. patents is the easier target (though with less popular support i think because it appears less tangible to most) | Mar 20 20:24 |
| schestowitz | Go get it, it's really good. I'm listening to it a lot. Over 1,000 tracks that are legal to share | Mar 20 20:24 |
| jose_X | ..to most people) | Mar 20 20:24 |
| schestowitz | Patents -> Bilski -> wastebasket | Mar 20 20:24 |
| schestowitz | For the intangiable things anyway | Mar 20 20:24 |
| schestowitz | Those that pertain to s/w | Mar 20 20:24 |
| schestowitz | How long before people patent beats? | Mar 20 20:25 |
| schestowitz | That already happens to an extent | Mar 20 20:25 |
| schestowitz | FAIR USE is another ventor of use | Mar 20 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Wha wha what??!! Gentoo makes me beeping angry…. < http://millsie.net/?p=18 > | Mar 20 20:25 |
| jose_X | Bilski is still vague, but it does mean we have time | Mar 20 20:30 |
| schestowitz | "Linux, as we popularly know it by, is actually GNU/Linux. What? Yeah, I know but bear with me here because there’s more. Two of my readers scolded me for not giving the GNU Project credit for their work in helping to create what is commonly referred to as Linux today. " http://themysticbird.com/2009/03/19/... | Mar 20 20:32 |
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| schestowitz | jose_X: they can resolve it still | Mar 20 20:32 |
| schestowitz | Taking Bilski to the ntest | Mar 20 20:32 |
| schestowitz | re: swpats | Mar 20 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Hey, linux_sux | Mar 20 20:33 |
| schestowitz | How do you do? | Mar 20 20:33 |
| trmanco | wtf | Mar 20 20:33 |
| jose_X | at the time i read over one of the judges ruling (groklaw), i thought that was enough loophole there to just tie the darn sw to say a pc or something else | Mar 20 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, I know. | Mar 20 20:33 |
| schestowitz | [to trmanco ] | Mar 20 20:33 |
| trmanco | ACK | Mar 20 20:34 |
| schestowitz | [FusionComm] Compiz 0.8.2 fully released ! < http://lists.compiz-fusion.org/pi... > | Mar 20 20:34 |
| trmanco | they could start pushing more beauty into compiz and compiz fusion... need more.... funky effects ! | Mar 20 20:35 |
| trmanco | :-P | Mar 20 20:35 |
| schestowitz | The Mandrivans help KDE4 and Plasma: http://blog.mandriva.com/2009/03... | Mar 20 20:35 |
| trmanco | I also need to get a keyboard with at least 200 keys to have all the correct key bindings for it | Mar 20 20:36 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: they merge | Mar 20 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Compiz Fusion, AFAIK | Mar 20 20:36 |
| trmanco | with compiz ++ | Mar 20 20:36 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: I use few effects | Mar 20 20:36 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: aahh. | Mar 20 20:36 |
| trmanco | lets see how that experiment works out | Mar 20 20:36 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, me too | Mar 20 20:36 |
| schestowitz | His winPC rebooted | Mar 20 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Patch Friday | Mar 20 20:37 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, no no no no no, IE exploder 8 did that | Mar 20 20:37 |
| schestowitz | BN serves Windows-using visitors specially. | Mar 20 20:37 |
| trmanco | or maybe he BsOded | Mar 20 20:37 |
| schestowitz | If they use IE, then in each page they are urged to drift away from IE and also advised to try GNU/Linux | Mar 20 20:37 |
| trmanco | hehe | Mar 20 20:37 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: so if IE8 resotred tab, he'll be back on mibbit | Mar 20 20:38 |
| trmanco | I can do that trick with s simple if and a php function | Mar 20 20:38 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: no need | Mar 20 20:38 |
| schestowitz | Someone told me about inline tag that only IE reads | Mar 20 20:38 |
| trmanco | hmm? <bsod></bsod>? | Mar 20 20:38 |
| trmanco | or maybe <explode></explode> | Mar 20 20:39 |
| trmanco | :-P | Mar 20 20:39 |
| trmanco | I don't know of any tag... only css tricks... I know that IE does not read elements with "something: blah !important" | Mar 20 20:40 |
| trmanco | ping schestowitz | Mar 20 20:41 |
| schestowitz | ACK | Mar 20 20:43 |
| schestowitz | Got distracted | Mar 20 20:43 |
| schestowitz | <bsod><explode></explode></bsod> | Mar 20 20:43 |
| schestowitz | <bsod><explode><font size="10">I told you to distch Windows</font></explode></bsod> | Mar 20 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Meh. http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2009/... | Mar 20 20:49 |
| schestowitz | How do you like the idea of quickly running your own universal 'cloud'? http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/install-an-op... | Mar 20 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Linus' own take on Tuz: New logo < http://torvalds-family.blogspot... > | Mar 20 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Preposterous: After Being Educated About Negative Effects, Students Stop Using Laptops In Class < http://techdirt.com/articles/20... > | Mar 20 20:58 |
| trmanco | :D | Mar 20 21:03 |
| schestowitz | IBM's Linux VP: "An “azure screen of death" http://www.sutor.com/newsit... ( <-- he doesn't like Windows) | Mar 20 21:08 |
| balzac | schestowitz: George Orwell would be proud of your efforts against ACTA | Mar 20 21:15 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Mar 20 21:16 |
| balzac | watch-dogging all these corporate deals to integrate their own interests into the national security apparatus is very much in line with his prescient vision of "Big Brother". | Mar 20 21:16 |
| balzac | badly formed sentence, but you get my meaning | Mar 20 21:17 |
| balzac | vigilance=good, ACTA=bad. | Mar 20 21:17 |
| balzac | does the EFF have a channel on Freenode? | Mar 20 21:18 |
| schestowitz | I think not | Mar 20 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Someone asked days ago (maybe you did) | Mar 20 21:19 |
| balzac | ok | Mar 20 21:20 |
| schestowitz | I think BN might be getting more visitors than EFF | Mar 20 21:20 |
| balzac | I just queried the freenode channel list | Mar 20 21:20 |
| balzac | \/msg alis list *eff* | Mar 20 21:20 |
| balzac | yeah, it wouldn't surprise me | Mar 20 21:20 |
| schestowitz | "effigies | Mar 20 21:20 |
| balzac | EFF needs to appoint me to be their shot-caller | Mar 20 21:20 |
| balzac | jk | Mar 20 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Good for discussion about Bush | Mar 20 21:21 |
| balzac | waterboard an effigy of Bush | Mar 20 21:21 |
| schestowitz | I saw an article 2 hours ago about American flags being burned in Iraw | Mar 20 21:21 |
| schestowitz | *Iraq. Some kind of anniversary. | Mar 20 21:21 |
| balzac | well, Obama just addressed Iranians in Farsi | Mar 20 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Cool! | Mar 20 21:21 |
| schestowitz | What did he say? | Mar 20 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Bomb bomb bomb Iran? --Dick Cheney | Mar 20 21:22 |
| balzac | Dick "White Al Qaeda Sith Lord" Cheney recently threatened America again. | Mar 20 21:23 |
| balzac | but I'm quite pleased not to have to think about this crap on a regular basis anymore. | Mar 20 21:23 |
| schestowitz | OK | Mar 20 21:24 |
| schestowitz | But OBAMAA just did more PR | Mar 20 21:24 |
| balzac | I'm doing the Steve Ballmer chant nowadays | Mar 20 21:24 |
| schestowitz | To capture the minds of some gullible viewers | Mar 20 21:24 |
| schestowitz | OBAMMA is the Ramji of US of A, but I suspect the former is more of a parasite | Mar 20 21:24 |
| schestowitz | Because I hear stories | Mar 20 21:25 |
| balzac | "DEVELOPERS [synced hand-clap], DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS!" | Mar 20 21:25 |
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| balzac | I need devs for my video web application project | Mar 20 21:25 |
| balzac | hi amarsh04 | Mar 20 21:25 |
| amarsh04 | hi balzac, took a while as I prelinked everything after upgrading glibc and openoffice.org | Mar 20 21:26 |
| balzac | you just did all that between the time I said hi and you responded? | Mar 20 21:27 |
| balzac | what is your hourly consulting fee? | Mar 20 21:27 |
| amarsh04 | no, between saying back later and re-entering chat, I had 1 hour and 10 minutes for updating packages, prelinking and rebooting | Mar 20 21:28 |
| amarsh04 | hehehe... many times I wish I was smarter or more patient or both | Mar 20 21:28 |
| balzac | there's a pill for each of those | Mar 20 21:29 |
| balzac | adderall and xanax, but the side effects and addictive qualities are terrible for each. | Mar 20 21:30 |
| amarsh04 | it's been bad enough having ritalin/dexampetamine/oxycodone in the house | Mar 20 21:30 |
| balzac | yikes | Mar 20 21:31 |
| amarsh04 | no-one taking any of those these days thankfully | Mar 20 21:32 |
| trmanco | hahahaha | Mar 20 21:39 |
| schestowitz | Is it true that some drugs enhance brain capacity? That's at doubt wrt to a few. | Mar 20 21:39 |
| trmanco | you guys need to se this | Mar 20 21:39 |
| schestowitz | They use it to make sales | Mar 20 21:39 |
| trmanco | http://groups.google.com/group/alt... | Mar 20 21:40 |
| trmanco | "Our WinXP lappy (used for business & personal) was infected by | Mar 20 21:40 |
| trmanco | Conficker.B, rendering it a zombie-bot tethered to a botnet somewhere. | Mar 20 21:40 |
| trmanco | In the end, the OS is replaced with Linux & the data are preserved. | Mar 20 21:40 |
| trmanco | Complete functionality is restored... All while on the road. " | Mar 20 21:40 |
| trmanco | wonderful | Mar 20 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Post it to COLA...? I will quickly. | Mar 20 21:41 |
| trmanco | go ahead | Mar 20 21:45 |
| trmanco | nobody would probably reply to me anyway, there is a better chance in replying if you post it | Mar 20 21:46 |
| jose_X | the first few minutes of this is good http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpkuZ53s... | Mar 20 21:46 |
| jose_X | the square root formula for giving royalties from the tax-based fund is a good initial approach | Mar 20 21:46 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: done. | Mar 20 21:48 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: not many replies now because many trolls left | Mar 20 21:49 |
| trmanco | will check in a couple of minutes | Mar 20 21:49 |
| schestowitz | Less trolls, less provocation, more signal | Mar 20 21:49 |
| trmanco | I still see a bunch of trolls in there | Mar 20 21:50 |
| trmanco | pwn2own is officially over- and all the mobile phones survived... until next year ;-) | Mar 20 21:55 |
| trmanco | wtf | Mar 20 21:55 |
| jose_X | balzac, what is this video web application project you mentioned? | Mar 20 22:03 |
| trmanco | Internet Explorer 8 launch fails to dent Firefox: http://www.electronista.com/articles/... | Mar 20 22:07 |
| balzac | jose_X: it's called Bawd and the channel on freenode is ##bawd | Mar 20 22:10 |
| balzac | if you read the topic, you'll see what I have in mind | Mar 20 22:10 |
| balzac | it's not very special or unique, except for how the various component applications are integrated and for what purpose | Mar 20 22:11 |
| balzac | it's for pay-per-minute live video websites, based on ffmpeg for live video encoding | Mar 20 22:12 |
| balzac | drupal for user-account management, access control, ubercart or ecommerce module for paid-user session management | Mar 20 22:12 |
| balzac | FF3.1 with Ogg Theora support as targetted client | Mar 20 22:12 |
| balzac | the most obvious use is for adult live-webcam websites | Mar 20 22:13 |
| trmanco | lol | Mar 20 22:14 |
| balzac | but implemented with the best available free software, with the intention of bringing software freedom to that lucrative niche of online entertainment | Mar 20 22:14 |
| balzac | bawd is old english for "madame" | Mar 20 22:14 |
| balzac | but this should be discussed in ##bawd | Mar 20 22:15 |
| MinceR | "i bawwww'd"? :> | Mar 20 22:15 |
| jose_X | btw, the ending of the last link I gave (about half an hour ago) is also good | Mar 20 22:15 |
| balzac | I shouldn't test Roy's patience with this off-topic | Mar 20 22:16 |
| jose_X | useful in order to bring the conversation to music fans | Mar 20 22:16 |
| jose_X | balzac, i'm on the other channel aleady | Mar 20 22:16 |
| balzac | cool | Mar 20 22:16 |
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| jose_X | just wanted to mention that the adult entertainment industry using foss would be a large strategic win against proprietary codecs.. this was just discussed on the bawd list. | Mar 20 22:32 |
| tessier_ | jose_X: I'm surprised they don't. | Mar 20 22:36 |
| tessier_ | jose_X: Don't they have to license their codecs etc? | Mar 20 22:36 |
| tessier_ | Although since most of it is rather underground anyway I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't | Mar 20 22:36 |
| jose_X | it might be an issue of them wanting to reach the widest audience possible rather than trailblaze | Mar 20 22:41 |
| jose_X | ? | Mar 20 22:42 |
| balzac | The biggest live adult entertainment websites are using flash and flash-media server | Mar 20 22:42 |
| jose_X | i'm guessing bawd would be one potential approach/tools so that the alternative would exist | Mar 20 22:42 |
| balzac | HTML 5, FF3.1, FFMPEG is about to offer a viable alternative | Mar 20 22:43 |
| jose_X | if firefox executed better, that would really help | Mar 20 22:43 |
| jose_X | i don't mean they are bad | Mar 20 22:43 |
| balzac | Drupal is good for user account and session management and ecommerce integration. | Mar 20 22:43 |
| jose_X | i mean that if you could point to ff as being superior... | Mar 20 22:43 |
| jose_X | ff: firefox.. but also ffmpeg | Mar 20 22:43 |
| balzac | well, Mozilla was the leader in pushing for inclusion of the video tag in the HTML 5 spec | Mar 20 22:44 |
| balzac | Mozilla has built Ogg Theora support into FF3.1 and you can watch video encoded live on air.mozilla.com | Mar 20 22:45 |
| balzac | if you use the latest builds of FF3.1 | Mar 20 22:45 |
| jose_X | ff being a more interesting interface (eg, with x and y extensions/plugins) would help sell whatever these open formats | Mar 20 22:45 |
| trmanco | LOOOOOOOOOOOL | Mar 20 22:45 |
| balzac | FFMPEG is capable of live video encoding, but I haven't confirmed if that's the encoder used for air.mozilla.com | Mar 20 22:45 |
| trmanco | Your browser is | Mar 20 22:45 |
| trmanco | old and busted | Mar 20 22:45 |
| trmanco | Get Firefox 3.1 | Mar 20 22:45 |
| trmanco | to see the video | Mar 20 22:45 |
| trmanco | it is old, but not busted | Mar 20 22:46 |
| schestowitz | The punchline "get Firefox 3.1. OGG is HOT!" | Mar 20 22:46 |
| balzac | yep | Mar 20 22:47 |
| balzac | then i just need to raise some money to pay the girl(s) who debut the software with a live broadcast for the developers. | Mar 20 22:48 |
| jose_X | on the negative side, i had seen a vid on ogg a year or so back that the design needed a fixup to better deal with rewinding to specific points. | Mar 20 22:48 |
| balzac | but, as of now, there isn't yet a project website | Mar 20 22:48 |
| balzac | well, there wouldn't be any point in playback control for a live video stream | Mar 20 22:48 |
| jose_X | i would avoid linking adult content with foss.. but maybe a brand in between would be fine | Mar 20 22:49 |
| balzac | but Ogg is not the most sophisticated of video formats, only the most sophisticated free software licensed video format. | Mar 20 22:49 |
| jose_X | by linking i mean closely associating | Mar 20 22:49 |
| jose_X | it is a positive if high quality vids use it | Mar 20 22:49 |
| balzac | jose_X: here's something I'm working on to promote GNU software | Mar 20 22:49 |
| balzac | http://www.oteltours.co... | Mar 20 22:49 |
| balzac | built in Blender | Mar 20 22:49 |
| jose_X | but i don't know how far i'd go in tying the two together | Mar 20 22:50 |
| balzac | That's my angle | Mar 20 22:50 |
| balzac | http://www.disruptech.com/c... | Mar 20 22:51 |
| balzac | The idea being FOSS is badass, not only a cause for the socially-concerned. | Mar 20 22:52 |
| schestowitz | RMS disrupts tech by blowing kneecaps? | Mar 20 22:52 |
| balzac | that wouldn't be the intended interpretation | Mar 20 22:52 |
| balzac | I don't think I've ever watched the God Father straight through | Mar 20 22:52 |
| balzac | But since RMS is such a nice guy, this parody is quite silly | Mar 20 22:54 |
| balzac | I hope he is not offended, but I honestly haven't asked for his feedback on that parody image | Mar 20 22:54 |
| jose_X | balzac, some topics are taken very seriously by different groups. just letting you know. | Mar 20 22:54 |
| jose_X | there is a reason many companies work to project a wholesome image | Mar 20 22:55 |
| jose_X | it's the safest image for the widest audience | Mar 20 22:55 |
| balzac | I would rather not offend RMS, but I don't want to trouble him about trifles. | Mar 20 22:55 |
| jose_X | only small groups reject and bias against a quasi wholesome image | Mar 20 22:55 |
| schestowitz | jose_X: Server maker Sun Microsystems has a new Linux partner for its "Niagara" family of multicore processors and their related servers: Wind River Systems. | Mar 20 22:55 |
| schestowitz | Oops. | Mar 20 22:56 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watc... | Mar 20 22:56 |
| balzac | I'll wait and see if he has any objections to my promotional materials | Mar 20 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Another one on copyrights | Mar 20 22:56 |
| *schestowitz watches RMS while posting links to BN | Mar 20 22:56 | |
| jose_X | balzac, i would look to a new image that would not be confused... then market that as you wish to your audience | Mar 20 22:57 |
| balzac | I've got to do my own thing, and I've mentioned to Richard before that I was concerned about his opinions yet I wasn't asking him for editorial approval. | Mar 20 22:57 |
| balzac | but if anything really bugs him about my handling of GNU promotion, I'll probably change it. | Mar 20 22:58 |
| jose_X | schestowitz, is there something different or particularly interesting in this set of videos? | Mar 20 22:59 |
| balzac | The image you saw of the GNU with the girls - it's a work in progress. They're going to have bikinis | Mar 20 22:59 |
| jose_X | i don't have time to watch all the videos.. so i may or may not | Mar 20 22:59 |
| jose_X | the old "they're going to have bikinis.. honest" line. I've heard it many times before. | Mar 20 22:59 |
| schestowitz | jose_X: I still watch it | Mar 20 22:59 |
| schestowitz | Similar topic | Mar 20 23:00 |
| schestowitz | Not the same storyline | Mar 20 23:00 |
| jose_X | ok | Mar 20 23:00 |
| schestowitz | balzac: bad | Mar 20 23:00 |
| balzac | I've got to migrate my sites away from site5 | Mar 20 23:00 |
| jose_X | i'll keep the link around | Mar 20 23:00 |
| schestowitz | Don't objectify girls | Mar 20 23:00 |
| balzac | their service stinks | Mar 20 23:00 |
| schestowitz | People like RMS would very much oppose this | Mar 20 23:00 |
| balzac | Roy, they are technically just a collection of polygons | Mar 20 23:00 |
| schestowitz | More objetification | Mar 20 23:00 |
| balzac | a bunch of vertices | Mar 20 23:00 |
| jose_X | marketing is technically just a series of words and images | Mar 20 23:01 |
| balzac | the girls in my .blend file are mere vertices | Mar 20 23:01 |
| jose_X | and yet it compels us to one product over another | Mar 20 23:01 |
| balzac | Roy, objectification of humans is a bit of an abstract concept | Mar 20 23:01 |
| balzac | the social conventions pertaining to human objectification fetishes are complex, and generally imbalanced to the detriment of one gender | Mar 20 23:02 |
| MinceR | what's with the green-skinned girl? :> | Mar 20 23:03 |
| balzac | I'm in agreement with your concern on that subject | Mar 20 23:03 |
| balzac | MinceR: I'm not good at materials yet | Mar 20 23:03 |
| balzac | damn, my webhost is really getting under my skin | Mar 20 23:04 |
| balzac | site5... grr | Mar 20 23:04 |
| balzac | I'm going to have to un-recommend site5 in #drupal and #drupal-support | Mar 20 23:04 |
| balzac | for throttling mysql and php memory limit so as to make Drupal 6 not usable | Mar 20 23:05 |
| balzac | I'm taking that image down because it's it's just a teaser of what I'm working on | Mar 20 23:05 |
| schestowitz | What jerks: http://www.youtube.com/wa... | Mar 20 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Ridiculing RMS and people who stand up for FSF | Mar 20 23:07 |
| PetoKraus | alright guys | Mar 20 23:10 |
| PetoKraus | i've got a story | Mar 20 23:10 |
| PetoKraus | it's so sad and retarded | Mar 20 23:10 |
| PetoKraus | that it's actually funny | Mar 20 23:10 |
| PetoKraus | http://www.irc.gjh.sk/pastebin/787 | Mar 20 23:11 |
| PetoKraus | now, who's the faggit? | Mar 20 23:12 |
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| _Hicham_1 | Hi All! | Mar 20 23:17 |
| PetoKraus | you just missed a wonderful story no one is laughing at except of me | Mar 20 23:17 |
| PetoKraus | i guess i must be retarded | Mar 20 23:17 |
| PetoKraus | but hi! | Mar 20 23:17 |
| jose_X | schestowitz, i was about to say that there are always people with opinion X and the internet will provide a stage of some sort.. and why worry (in general) | Mar 20 23:18 |
| jose_X | .. never mind.. | Mar 20 23:19 |
| jose_X | i read it | Mar 20 23:19 |
| jose_X | PetoKraus | Mar 20 23:19 |
| jose_X | I'm laughing at how funny you thought it was | Mar 20 23:20 |
| jose_X | lol | Mar 20 23:20 |
| PetoKraus | :D | Mar 20 23:20 |
| _Hicham_1 | PetoKraus : what is that funny story? | Mar 20 23:20 |
| PetoKraus | http://www.irc.gjh.sk/pastebin/787 | Mar 20 23:20 |
| PetoKraus | jose_X: it's tragic | Mar 20 23:20 |
| PetoKraus | i mean | Mar 20 23:20 |
| jose_X | it is | Mar 20 23:20 |
| jose_X | i thought you were sane | Mar 20 23:20 |
| PetoKraus | :D | Mar 20 23:21 |
| PetoKraus | well, i think if you don't want to do something, you shouldn't, provided that you've got good reasons | Mar 20 23:21 |
| PetoKraus | and i hell-of-a-do | Mar 20 23:21 |
| PetoKraus | but at least, i can include you into the count of few persons who disagree with my point of view. That's perfectly okay. | Mar 20 23:22 |
| PetoKraus | it's not like he couldn't afford a taxi to the airport | Mar 20 23:23 |
| PetoKraus | 4 times | Mar 20 23:23 |
| PetoKraus | jose_X: i'd like to ask you though, why do you think it's not funny? Or, why do you think i did something wrong? | Mar 20 23:25 |
| jose_X | i don't know what to reply. maybe it's the high altitude here in florida. but your joke was entertaining. | Mar 20 23:25 |
| _Hicham_1 | Roy is sleeping O:-) | Mar 20 23:25 |
| jose_X | PetoKraus, I just had a delayed reaction, but I laughed. | Mar 20 23:26 |
| PetoKraus | ah, okay | Mar 20 23:26 |
| PetoKraus | you know, i've got a moral problem with this | Mar 20 23:26 |
| jose_X | now go back into hibernation | Mar 20 23:26 |
| jose_X | j/k | Mar 20 23:26 |
| jose_X | here i go again... | Mar 20 23:26 |
| PetoKraus | i'm usually the one who obeys everything others want | Mar 20 23:27 |
| PetoKraus | so occassional rebellion triggers self-punishment reflex | Mar 20 23:27 |
| jose_X | back i say | Mar 20 23:27 |
| PetoKraus | :P | Mar 20 23:27 |
| jose_X | rotfl | Mar 20 23:27 |
| jose_X | is this a comedy or a philosophy break? | Mar 20 23:28 |
| jose_X | i can't think and laugh at the same time | Mar 20 23:28 |
| jose_X | you are right about rebellion | Mar 20 23:29 |
| jose_X | [seriously] | Mar 20 23:29 |
| PetoKraus | i dunno | Mar 20 23:30 |
| PetoKraus | i'm too tired | Mar 20 23:30 |
| PetoKraus | and quite amused | Mar 20 23:30 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_1: not sleeping, organising links for BN | Mar 20 23:30 |
| jose_X | PetoKraus, maybe you want to work on lowering expectations ahead of time | Mar 20 23:32 |
| PetoKraus | lowering expectations ahead of time? | Mar 20 23:32 |
| PetoKraus | like, getting laid on first date, which almost never works? | Mar 20 23:32 |
| PetoKraus | :P | Mar 20 23:32 |
| jose_X | maybe to avoid guilt, you need to start by warning others earlier .. and then take baby steps | Mar 20 23:32 |
| PetoKraus | but where's the fun then | Mar 20 23:32 |
| PetoKraus | ... | Mar 20 23:32 |
| jose_X | no. | Mar 20 23:33 |
| jose_X | i thought we were being serious. | Mar 20 23:33 |
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| jose_X | if you want fun.. don't change and then come on BN | Mar 20 23:33 |
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| PetoKraus | well i was serious, it's like that always | Mar 20 23:33 |
| PetoKraus | you know, if you do small steps | Mar 20 23:33 |
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| PetoKraus | some people just won't learn | Mar 20 23:34 |
| jose_X | you need to adapt your own expectation over what behavior you will accept from yourself | Mar 20 23:34 |
| jose_X | and one way to work on lowering that expectation might be by warning others ahead of time that you might not be there for them | Mar 20 23:34 |
| jose_X | then you fail, and feel guilty again | Mar 20 23:35 |
| jose_X | but over enough cycles, the guilt will fade away | Mar 20 23:35 |
| PetoKraus | see | Mar 20 23:35 |
| PetoKraus | i think i am completely predictable person | Mar 20 23:35 |
| PetoKraus | i mean, i was literally bitching about this "one day trip to london in the middle of the busiest week at uni at the day I normally work" | Mar 20 23:35 |
| PetoKraus | for two months | Mar 20 23:35 |
| jose_X | oh | Mar 20 23:36 |
| jose_X | the downside of you failing to hold your ground would be a lost opportunity for the other person to learn and grow | Mar 20 23:36 |
| jose_X | that's why I always hit people | Mar 20 23:36 |
| jose_X | i want them to learn and grow | Mar 20 23:37 |
| jose_X | lol | Mar 20 23:37 |
| jose_X | so what message will you pass on? | Mar 20 23:37 |
| jose_X | a link to this thread? | Mar 20 23:38 |
| jose_X | i will bail soon i think | Mar 20 23:39 |
| jose_X | btw, I was kidding about comparing hitting people to this even with the airport. | Mar 20 23:39 |
| schestowitz | OK, done posting those links | Mar 20 23:45 |
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