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| oiaohm | Lot of people have not got the idea that Linux has won the netbook battle. | Apr 16 11:49 |
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| oiaohm | Linux was not a good enough product to completley win. | Apr 16 11:49 |
| oiaohm | So the best move is make you competition kill themselves. | Apr 16 11:50 |
| zoobab01 | Linux is useful to get Windows OEM rebates | Apr 16 11:50 |
| zoobab01 | for netbook manufacturers | Apr 16 11:50 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz, did you read http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2009/... | Apr 16 11:54 |
| oiaohm | Will be useful for nettop makers as well zoobab01 | Apr 16 11:57 |
| oiaohm | Anyone notice that netbooks are creeping up in size. | Apr 16 11:57 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: I do a post about it ATM | Apr 16 11:57 |
| oiaohm | Remember there is a max size for a netbook/notebook that is easy to carry. | Apr 16 11:57 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: eventually they'll invent... the notebook | Apr 16 11:58 |
| oiaohm | Its more creeping up on the market. | Apr 16 11:58 |
| schestowitz | And then say, "Wow!"... well, it's $900 and it has this thing called optical drive... and 14 inch screen | Apr 16 11:58 |
| oiaohm | Slow but surely all the lower end of the market is being taken over. | Apr 16 11:59 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: it was part of the plan | Apr 16 11:59 |
| schestowitz | Pricing up | Apr 16 11:59 |
| schestowitz | Ensuring people can't buy cheap Intel chips | Apr 16 11:59 |
| schestowitz | Pay premium only | Apr 16 11:59 |
| tacone | lol: "Vista ?! this is bullshit. I'm homeless but I'm not retarded" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbJ... | Apr 16 11:59 |
| schestowitz | Blkock the lower end | Apr 16 11:59 |
| schestowitz | But ARM is coming | Apr 16 11:59 |
| oiaohm | Problem is everything netbook class MS really not making a licence profit from. | Apr 16 12:00 |
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| oiaohm | MS though it would be sourced earth. | Apr 16 12:04 |
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| oiaohm | Drop XP dirt cheep in the market so killing off Linux. Not going to happen. | Apr 16 12:04 |
| DaemonFC | more people know XP and most companies don't do a good port, if any, of their Windows stuff | Apr 16 12:05 |
| DaemonFC | so you kind of get caught with Wine | Apr 16 12:05 |
| DaemonFC | that's the biggest problem facing Linux | Apr 16 12:05 |
| oiaohm | Not really. | Apr 16 12:05 |
| oiaohm | Biggest problem is people have lost the art of plaining OS migrations. | Apr 16 12:05 |
| DaemonFC | Well, there are still entire classes of hardware where half or more of the devices have no Linux driver | Apr 16 12:06 |
| DaemonFC | TV cards are basically the new Winmoden | Apr 16 12:06 |
| DaemonFC | *Winmodem | Apr 16 12:06 |
| oiaohm | Done right the change over from Windows to Linux is almost no distruption. | Apr 16 12:06 |
| oiaohm | Were Winmodems really a problem to well planed migrations. | Apr 16 12:07 |
| oiaohm | No | Apr 16 12:07 |
| oiaohm | Its lack of planing. | Apr 16 12:07 |
| DaemonFC | no, but where Windows is right now, you have to convince people to stop using it on systems that exist | Apr 16 12:07 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: they devalue Windows | Apr 16 12:07 |
| DaemonFC | maybe they didn't even know what Linux is when they bought their PC? | Apr 16 12:07 |
| schestowitz | The issue is, if they give it free for sub-notebooks it won't kill Linux... AND... | Apr 16 12:07 |
| schestowitz | They also lead to people asking what they pay for anyway | Apr 16 12:07 |
| schestowitz | Sooner or later people ask for free Windows upgrades | Apr 16 12:08 |
| schestowitz | You can't give away lobsters | Apr 16 12:08 |
| MinceR | i'm asking for microsoft to die | Apr 16 12:08 |
| schestowitz | People then treat them like Sardines | Apr 16 12:08 |
| MinceR | but i didn't get it yet :( | Apr 16 12:08 |
| DaemonFC | well, the TV tuner card is a really cool device, the primary use of some peoples machines | Apr 16 12:08 |
| DaemonFC | ironically I caught up with a guy that used to make Linux drivers for the company that made my card | Apr 16 12:08 |
| oiaohm | There are a lot of TV tuners that do work. | Apr 16 12:08 |
| DaemonFC | he said they were jsut about to work on one for my card when he got laid off :P | Apr 16 12:09 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: in the US it's hard | Apr 16 12:09 |
| MinceR | sadly they don't make any bt878 cards anymore | Apr 16 12:09 |
| schestowitz | In Brazil, for example not so much | Apr 16 12:09 |
| schestowitz | Esp. in schools | Apr 16 12:09 |
| schestowitz | All Brazilian schools move to Linux | Apr 16 12:09 |
| schestowitz | Russian too | Apr 16 12:09 |
| MinceR | it's all cx88 and saa-whatever crap now | Apr 16 12:09 |
| schestowitz | They don't have the same issues of TV cards and bureaucracy | Apr 16 12:09 |
| DaemonFC | well, every other class of device went from hardly working to almost always working on Linux | Apr 16 12:09 |
| DaemonFC | so I figure TV tuners are just in that phase where wifi was 5-6 years ago | Apr 16 12:10 |
| oiaohm | Really the importance will drop when TV tuners in video cards work. | Apr 16 12:10 |
| MinceR | except if you go for a video card with a tuner you make compromises | Apr 16 12:10 |
| oiaohm | Since video card can kinda kick the crap of cpu at compression. | Apr 16 12:10 |
| DaemonFC | oh yeah, as soon as that takes off, Nvidia will have that on Linux with no trouble | Apr 16 12:10 |
| DaemonFC | they have great drivers | Apr 16 12:11 |
| MinceR | otoh DVB is coming to hungary and then it will be a lot simpler | Apr 16 12:11 |
| tacone | actually, Linux is where Mac was some year ago. | Apr 16 12:12 |
| MinceR | inflexible, stupid, overpriced crap? :> | Apr 16 12:12 |
| schestowitz | ODF Turkey Launched < http://www.odfalliance.org/blog/ind... > | Apr 16 12:12 |
| oiaohm | Think driver support MinceR | Apr 16 12:12 |
| DaemonFC | Mincer, it has a tuner but that's not important | Apr 16 12:12 |
| tacone | shipping an hardware piece without a proper linux driver will start to feel uncomfortable and incomplete | Apr 16 12:12 |
| DaemonFC | half the channels are encrypted and need the tuner box anyway | Apr 16 12:12 |
| MinceR | mac supported more architectures and hw than any other os some years ago? | Apr 16 12:13 |
| DaemonFC | OS X should be as portable as any UNIX system | Apr 16 12:13 |
| MinceR | should | Apr 16 12:13 |
| MinceR | it should also be FLOSS | Apr 16 12:13 |
| DaemonFC | most of it is | Apr 16 12:13 |
| MinceR | and it should be a gnu/linux distro | Apr 16 12:13 |
| oiaohm | Third party parts MinceR | Apr 16 12:13 |
| MinceR | but it isn't | Apr 16 12:13 |
| oiaohm | OS X suports more now than then. | Apr 16 12:14 |
| MinceR | it's a vile piece of crap hacked together mostly from BSDL-ed code they ripped off. | Apr 16 12:14 |
| MinceR | with a proprietary gui tacked on that was thrown together with no thoughts for users with more than a single brain cell. | Apr 16 12:14 |
| DaemonFC | The worst pat is their file system | Apr 16 12:14 |
| MinceR | well, they can use ZFS now for that | Apr 16 12:15 |
| MinceR | and claim they invented the wheel | Apr 16 12:15 |
| MinceR | (the second part is very important) | Apr 16 12:15 |
| tacone | they can't even mount xfs.. | Apr 16 12:15 |
| tacone | not even with 3rd party software. | Apr 16 12:15 |
| DaemonFC | XFS on FreeBSD is experimental and the port is not done by SGI | Apr 16 12:16 |
| DaemonFC | so if you want to trust it, that's on you | Apr 16 12:16 |
| DaemonFC | there's no guarantee their driver is as good as the ones in IRIX or Linux | Apr 16 12:17 |
| schestowitz | Can anyone read this (Spanish)? http://www.informatica.gov.ec/index.ph... | Apr 16 12:17 |
| DaemonFC | the Linux port is fairly hackish in some places where they had to work around IRIX functionality that Linux doesn't have | Apr 16 12:17 |
| tacone | schestowitz: let me see | Apr 16 12:18 |
| tacone | i can try | Apr 16 12:18 |
| schestowitz | Google Translate doesn't shed much light | Apr 16 12:18 |
| oiaohm | They are getting to remove some of those hacks as Linux gets the funtionality too DaemonFC | Apr 16 12:18 |
| tacone | Ecuatorian Insitute of Normalization INEN unanimously approved the following technical rule (law?) about IT, with connotation of volountariety (?!) | Apr 16 12:19 |
| MinceR | as if apple fanboys ever cared about reliability :> | Apr 16 12:19 |
| DaemonFC | I actually kind of like XP in some ways, from the viewpoint of a user | Apr 16 12:19 |
| DaemonFC | but Vista and 7 have done away with anything XP did right | Apr 16 12:19 |
| tacone | (1) tecnology of information. Service management, part 1: specifications | Apr 16 12:19 |
| tacone | 2) ... part 2: code of good practices | Apr 16 12:20 |
| tacone | Open Document Format for office applications (Open Document) | Apr 16 12:20 |
| tacone | Source: INEN, Resolution of the council. Act number 004-2009 | Apr 16 12:21 |
| tacone | schestowitz: seems there's not much in that page | Apr 16 12:21 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: It's now a crime in Texas for any state agency to buy Vista | Apr 16 12:22 |
| DaemonFC | unless approved by their state budget office | Apr 16 12:22 |
| DaemonFC | and you have to tell them WHY you need it :P | Apr 16 12:22 |
| schestowitz | tacone: thanks. | Apr 16 12:22 |
| schestowitz | It did seem void of statemenrs | Apr 16 12:22 |
| schestowitz | Why are India and Texas married to Windows? http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04... | Apr 16 12:23 |
| _Hicham_ | Texas is George W. Bush, Bush is Microsoft Dependent, by transitivity Texas is married to Windows | Apr 16 12:25 |
| DaemonFC | Texas is just insane | Apr 16 12:26 |
| DaemonFC | they always have been | Apr 16 12:26 |
| DaemonFC | There's a saying that Texas is too small to be a country and too big to be an insane asylum | Apr 16 12:26 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 16 12:26 |
| DaemonFC | hmmmmm | Apr 16 12:28 |
| DaemonFC | James Bond movie | Apr 16 12:28 |
| DaemonFC | knew there had to be something on | Apr 16 12:28 |
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| DaemonFC | heh, the cable TV actually looks worse on LCD hi def displays or computer monitors | Apr 16 12:30 |
| DaemonFC | cause they're better than the signal :P | Apr 16 12:30 |
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| MinceR | indeed | Apr 16 12:31 |
| zer0c00l | hi ushimitsudoki | Apr 16 12:31 |
| ushimitsudoki | howdy | Apr 16 12:31 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.camcorderinfo.com/con... | Apr 16 12:32 |
| DaemonFC | I had one of those | Apr 16 12:32 |
| DaemonFC | it was a version 2 but there was actually no difference in the devices, just the bundled software :P | Apr 16 12:32 |
| schestowitz | Just in: In a Desert, TV-Browser is an EPG Oasis < http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/column... > "It is not often that you fail to find half a dozen free software programs to fill a particular niche -browsers, e-mail clients or file managers to name a few; so it was with both surprise and disappointment that I nearly drew a blank in my search for an Electronic Programme Guide (EPG) for GNU/Linux." | Apr 16 12:35 |
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| schestowitz | Goblin is playing with the Microsoft Trolls: http://openbytes.wordpress.com/200... | Apr 16 12:37 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.ibm.com/developer... The rsync family | Apr 16 12:42 |
| schestowitz | I've not used rsync in a year or so (used to be daily) | Apr 16 12:42 |
| MinceR | http://mobilitics.blogspot.com/20... | Apr 16 12:43 |
| schestowitz | http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/entdev/a... "Software designers have endeavored to improve on the humble hourglass by adding Time Remaining display boxes. When you copy a large file, start a download, or task your computer with something important that needs to be done now, the computer will try to keep you dutifully informed by displaying Time Remaining. " | Apr 16 12:44 |
| zer0c00l | i use rsync atleast once in a month :) its kind of admin thing | Apr 16 12:45 |
| zer0c00l | MinceR, many apps does that , i use operamini wap browser which also does like that | Apr 16 12:48 |
| zer0c00l | *do | Apr 16 12:48 |
| schestowitz | Bankruptcies in the UK on the uprise.. :-( http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_pi... | Apr 16 12:50 |
| schestowitz | There's a takeaway right by my house. Shut down like many others | Apr 16 12:51 |
| schestowitz | The thing is, nobody even takes their estate | Apr 16 12:51 |
| schestowitz | They are just dead empty shops and owners of those properties can't sell them because there is no capital to start business. | Apr 16 12:51 |
| zer0c00l | in gmail you could check your "last account activity" which shows the ip address which you recently used to check gmail..When i use operamini to check gmail, gmail usually show one of the opera networks ip in last account activity | Apr 16 12:51 |
| schestowitz | Rise of Free (libre) economics: YouTube orchestra makes its debut < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/am... > | Apr 16 12:52 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: that's also common in hosting (e.g. cpanel) and online banking | Apr 16 12:52 |
| schestowitz | It keeps a breadcrumb trail. | Apr 16 12:52 |
| *zer0c00l wonders http://mobilitics.blogspot.com/200... how did he managed to find out? | Apr 16 12:53 | |
| zer0c00l | wireshark ? | Apr 16 12:54 |
| zer0c00l | wireshark is for computers :P | Apr 16 12:54 |
| zer0c00l | hmm thats a GET request | Apr 16 12:55 |
| schestowitz | Does the UK believe that criminalising is encouraging productivity? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/bus... | Apr 16 12:55 |
| schestowitz | The Forester shills attack FOSS with apparent lies now | Apr 16 12:59 |
| schestowitz | They claim that developers don't care about FOSS. | Apr 16 12:59 |
| schestowitz | I very much doubt it. it's the same Forrester that attacked Linux at Microsoft's behest (and budget). Some leaked documents show IDC doing the same thing by choosing a population survey that is rigged (tilted towards Microsoft) by design. | Apr 16 12:59 |
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| Algyz | so opensuse is evil? | Apr 16 13:01 |
| schestowitz | No | Apr 16 13:03 |
| schestowitz | Not the community | Apr 16 13:04 |
| schestowitz | OpenSUSE contains some innocence | Apr 16 13:04 |
| schestowitz | And some people just thinking about their wages | Apr 16 13:04 |
| oiaohm | Most of the innocence has been jumping ship. | Apr 16 13:05 |
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| trmanco | Ubuntu 9.04 RC hasn't bee released yet :( | Apr 16 13:06 |
| schestowitz | Progress for ODF in Ecuador and Turkey: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/16... | Apr 16 13:12 |
| schestowitz | Darwin award? Flying laptop kills driver: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/ne... | Apr 16 13:14 |
| schestowitz | Logitech has a $500 mouse now... does the panel use embedded Linux like their keyboard? http://www.3dconnexion.com/spp/index.php | Apr 16 13:16 |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: Flying laptop not rare enough to get Darwin award. | Apr 16 13:17 |
| oiaohm | Death by laptop or other large object on back seat is common. | Apr 16 13:17 |
| oiaohm | Yes really common. | Apr 16 13:17 |
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| schestowitz | Windows sort of leave Linux vulnerable now, thanks to Microsoft lackeys who run VMware... http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/... ( Windows is the key to hacking another OS ) | Apr 16 13:18 |
| schestowitz | DHS must ban laptops now. | Apr 16 13:19 |
| schestowitz | Weapons of Man Destruction... | Apr 16 13:20 |
| oiaohm | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/n... << Yep wonder what he was working on. | Apr 16 13:22 |
| oiaohm | Not really vmware in that case was flawed you could hack windows from linux contained in vmware too schestowitz | Apr 16 13:24 |
| oiaohm | Its a little bit like the firewire ports that can read and edit anywhere in memory. | Apr 16 13:24 |
| schestowitz | http://www.boston.com/news/nation/a... (Anti-tax protesters turn out for tax day) All these years of reducing tax and increasing expenses are well over. There's debt now. | Apr 16 13:25 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: it's an exploding PC: http://www.tomsguide.com/us/PC-Exploding-... | Apr 16 13:27 |
| trmanco | haha, gnote has moved to gnome | Apr 16 13:27 |
| schestowitz | The suggestion that spontaneously combustion can be so severe is fictitious I think | Apr 16 13:27 |
| schestowitz | But it's the Inquirer | Apr 16 13:27 |
| schestowitz | *spontaneous combustion | Apr 16 13:27 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sp... "Spontaneous combustion is a type of combustion which occurs without an external ignition source." | Apr 16 13:28 |
| schestowitz | The original report says the PC exploded | Apr 16 13:28 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: aye | Apr 16 13:28 |
| schestowitz | But it was in GMOME space before, no? | Apr 16 13:28 |
| schestowitz | It's just good to see it in opensuse planet | Apr 16 13:29 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, yeah, what I'm saying is that gnote has been announced in the gnome ftp mailing list | Apr 16 13:29 |
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| schestowitz | I c.... | Apr 16 13:30 |
| trmanco | GNOME will be moving to GIT tomorrow | Apr 16 13:32 |
| schestowitz | Recession? what recession? Nokia's profits dive 90 per cent < http://www.theregister.co.uk/20... >. They woke up to Linux too late. | Apr 16 13:33 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: yes, I heard | Apr 16 13:33 |
| schestowitz | BTW, did I piss off the Munchkins yesterday by posting a lot in COLA? | Apr 16 13:33 |
| schestowitz | Symbian show struggles for identity < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009... >. Symbian is not really Free software.. DRM... software patents... | Apr 16 13:35 |
| DaemonFC | hmmmm | Apr 16 13:35 |
| DaemonFC | the Deskjet 2500 supports XP x64 | Apr 16 13:36 |
| DaemonFC | that's odd for a $40 printer | Apr 16 13:36 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is still delaying and delaying EU probe to allow itself to carry on cheating. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04... | Apr 16 13:37 |
| DaemonFC | lmao | Apr 16 13:37 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: I see you're buddied with SJVN | Apr 16 13:37 |
| DaemonFC | how is a cable half as much as the printer? | Apr 16 13:37 |
| schestowitz | Printers are scam | Apr 16 13:37 |
| schestowitz | They should be banned like plasma TVs | Apr 16 13:37 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, that was his time he replied to me | Apr 16 13:37 |
| schestowitz | To encourage people to work electronically and save trees | Apr 16 13:38 |
| schestowitz | Also, printers are a marketing scam | Apr 16 13:38 |
| schestowitz | The average Joe is too dumb to realise why the printers and sold at a loss | Apr 16 13:38 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, the printer will be like $30 but then the CORD is $20 and it's $30-40 every time you need ink :P | Apr 16 13:38 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes it's cheaper to buy a printer and throw it away when it runs out of ink | Apr 16 13:38 |
| schestowitz | Then buy another printer | Apr 16 13:38 |
| schestowitz | Same with razors | Apr 16 13:38 |
| DaemonFC | lmao | Apr 16 13:39 |
| schestowitz | That's the AmericanWay(C) | Apr 16 13:39 |
| schestowitz | It's only $9.99 | Apr 16 13:39 |
| DaemonFC | throw the printer away cause a new cartridge is the same price | Apr 16 13:39 |
| DaemonFC | that's funny | Apr 16 13:39 |
| schestowitz | it's true | Apr 16 13:39 |
| schestowitz | There's a comparison between the prices of things like ink, blood, oil, mercury... | Apr 16 13:40 |
| schestowitz | I can't begin to think where to find this chart right now. | Apr 16 13:40 |
| schestowitz | The scarcity is preserved by adding complexity and forbid refills. | Apr 16 13:40 |
| schestowitz | Some companies that try refills of some sort get sued | Apr 16 13:40 |
| schestowitz | It's exceptionally hard for the manufacturers to find what to sue them FOR | Apr 16 13:41 |
| schestowitz | Which is aleways hilarious | Apr 16 13:41 |
| schestowitz | Like using DMCA to impose censorship | Apr 16 13:41 |
| oiaohm | I have had the case where its cheeper to buy the printer than new cartridge for it. | Apr 16 13:41 |
| schestowitz | Some printers come with cartridges half full | Apr 16 13:41 |
| schestowitz | To prevent this | Apr 16 13:41 |
| schestowitz | Consumers could probbably sue such companies | Apr 16 13:41 |
| oiaohm | It was 20 dollars cheeper for the printer. | Apr 16 13:41 |
| schestowitz | But the companies have lawyers to defend themselves | Apr 16 13:42 |
| schestowitz | The US juridical system works in such a way that those who can afford more motions win | Apr 16 13:42 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, they don't have to win | Apr 16 13:42 |
| oiaohm | Not in this case. | Apr 16 13:42 |
| schestowitz | A friend of mine whose a Bay Are lawyers says this | Apr 16 13:42 |
| schestowitz | *Area | Apr 16 13:42 |
| DaemonFC | they jsut have to have their lawyers stall you out | Apr 16 13:42 |
| DaemonFC | til you're broke | Apr 16 13:42 |
| schestowitz | "Vista capable" | Apr 16 13:42 |
| oiaohm | Half full cartridges break fair trading laws here. | Apr 16 13:42 |
| schestowitz | SCO is similar | Apr 16 13:42 |
| schestowitz | Over 5 years now? | Apr 16 13:42 |
| schestowitz | Keep the FUD in fact | Apr 16 13:43 |
| schestowitz | Doesn't matter what outcome | Apr 16 13:43 |
| oiaohm | Fair trading you don't need lawyers. | Apr 16 13:43 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft keeps using the Didiot puppet to use SCO as a risk | Apr 16 13:43 |
| oiaohm | Australian system handles breaches of fair trading better. | Apr 16 13:43 |
| oiaohm | Its not a court system. | Apr 16 13:44 |
| schestowitz | Australia is no model, still | Apr 16 13:44 |
| oiaohm | Its a regulator. | Apr 16 13:44 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Germany is | Apr 16 13:44 |
| schestowitz | They fines Microsoft and SCO | Apr 16 13:44 |
| schestowitz | For collusion and slander | Apr 16 13:44 |
| schestowitz | *fined | Apr 16 13:44 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: THat only hurts the customers | Apr 16 13:44 |
| DaemonFC | and I have a suspicion it's not even why Microsoft is being fined | Apr 16 13:44 |
| DaemonFC | I figure they're a foreign company and the EU wants money | Apr 16 13:45 |
| DaemonFC | so they take it | Apr 16 13:45 |
| schestowitz | Nope | Apr 16 13:45 |
| schestowitz | They compete unfairly | Apr 16 13:45 |
| schestowitz | They also collude | Apr 16 13:45 |
| oiaohm | EU courts attack there own as well. | Apr 16 13:45 |
| DaemonFC | you'd never see the EU go after one of their own companies like this | Apr 16 13:45 |
| schestowitz | They could pick other cvictims, sure | Apr 16 13:45 |
| oiaohm | They do. | Apr 16 13:45 |
| schestowitz | But they choose Microsoft because of scale | Apr 16 13:45 |
| DaemonFC | if Microsoft was in Europe, the situation would be tthe EU does nothing and the US fines them | Apr 16 13:45 |
| oiaohm | Most EU companies are not stupid enough to mess with them. | Apr 16 13:45 |
| schestowitz | And because there is lots more to scrutinise over | Apr 16 13:45 |
| oiaohm | Last few EU companies that did got completely broken up. | Apr 16 13:46 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is like a complex mafia | Apr 16 13:46 |
| schestowitz | You can't knock it all down | Apr 16 13:46 |
| schestowitz | it's disributed | Apr 16 13:46 |
| schestowitz | So you find individual people | Apr 16 13:46 |
| schestowitz | and arrest them | Apr 16 13:46 |
| schestowitz | Or find specific crimes | Apr 16 13:46 |
| schestowitz | And then deal with them in turn | Apr 16 13:46 |
| oiaohm | So EU companies think twice before doing stunts that MS did. | Apr 16 13:46 |
| DaemonFC | they still fined Microsoft for some ridiculous things that every OS does | Apr 16 13:46 |
| schestowitz | The mafia stays nonetheless | Apr 16 13:46 |
| DaemonFC | You're telling me iTunes and Safari are not "integrated" into a Mac? | Apr 16 13:46 |
| oiaohm | What do you mean every OS does. | Apr 16 13:47 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: what? MSO price-fixing? | Apr 16 13:47 |
| schestowitz | Not an OS thing | Apr 16 13:47 |
| schestowitz | Prevention of competitiopn | Apr 16 13:47 |
| DaemonFC | no, I'm saying they should fine Apple too | Apr 16 13:47 |
| schestowitz | Conspiring against consumers | Apr 16 13:47 |
| oiaohm | iTunes and Safari are avalible for windows. | Apr 16 13:47 |
| schestowitz | And also against compeition | Apr 16 13:47 |
| DaemonFC | it's even been proven that Safari used undocumented APIs | Apr 16 13:47 |
| schestowitz | using an illegally-obtained monopoly | Apr 16 13:47 |
| DaemonFC | and Mozilla had to reverse engineer them | Apr 16 13:47 |
| oiaohm | So where is windows media player on Mac | Apr 16 13:47 |
| schestowitz | They commited crimes against WordPerfect | Apr 16 13:47 |
| schestowitz | New document on Microsoft's crimes: http://www.ecis.eu/documents/Fina... | Apr 16 13:48 |
| schestowitz | Covers WP too | Apr 16 13:48 |
| DaemonFC | I still say that Apple got away with using undocumented APIs to cripple other web browsers | Apr 16 13:48 |
| DaemonFC | if Microsoft did that and other browsers started staggering and crashing, it wouldn't go unnoticed | Apr 16 13:48 |
| zoobab01 | Roy, do you know if this is a valid english question: | Apr 16 13:49 |
| zoobab01 | the first queston of Brimelow | Apr 16 13:49 |
| DaemonFC | there was a Mozilla dev that was detailing just one way Apple crippled them | Apr 16 13:49 |
| DaemonFC | by using an undocumented API that let Safari interface with Quartz much more smoothly | Apr 16 13:49 |
| DaemonFC | and forcing Mozilla to use the documented method which was much slower | Apr 16 13:50 |
| schestowitz | Zamzar added ODF support. http://www.schoollibraryjournal.... "Get on Zamzar’s Web site and start adding all the YouTube videos you want. With Zamzar in your toolbelt, you can flip your .avi files to flash videos (.flv). Those .odt (Open Document) files can easily be morphed into .doc files too. Still have a dinosaur with their syllabi in WordPerfect? Zamzar can help with that, too." | Apr 16 13:51 |
| schestowitz | When will Apple support ODF? | Apr 16 13:51 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Apple is far worse than Microsoft | Apr 16 13:51 |
| DaemonFC | they just have better PR | Apr 16 13:51 |
| trmanco | bbl, I'll be upgrading | Apr 16 13:51 |
| trmanco | :-P | Apr 16 13:51 |
| oiaohm | Apple is not worse than MS. | Apr 16 13:52 |
| DaemonFC | Apple crippled Mozilla Firefox on OS X | Apr 16 13:52 |
| oiaohm | Both are trying to do exactly the same things. | Apr 16 13:52 |
| oiaohm | IE on windows uses undocumented features too. | Apr 16 13:52 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft told Mozilla how to make it work better on Windows | Apr 16 13:52 |
| schestowitz | Both are irrelevant | Apr 16 13:52 |
| schestowitz | Long term, Apple may have some following | Apr 16 13:52 |
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| schestowitz | But they are scared of Linux | Apr 16 13:52 |
| schestowitz | They don't have enough engineers | Apr 16 13:52 |
| DaemonFC | Apple would just be another Microsoft | Apr 16 13:52 |
| schestowitz | And they fire employees already | Apr 16 13:52 |
| schestowitz | Their fianncial results too are negative | Apr 16 13:53 |
| schestowitz | And they have no Jobs (mind case) | Apr 16 13:53 |
| schestowitz | Linux has LOADS more devs than Apple | Apr 16 13:53 |
| schestowitz | And it shows | Apr 16 13:53 |
| DaemonFC | well, when the economy goes bad, everyone tries to make things last longer | Apr 16 13:53 |
| schestowitz | Android challenges jusesPhone/HypePhone on price | Apr 16 13:53 |
| DaemonFC | that goes from just some guy using XP | Apr 16 13:53 |
| schestowitz | *jesusphone | Apr 16 13:53 |
| DaemonFC | to big corporations that skip Vista on thousands of PCs | Apr 16 13:53 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft is doing poorly because Windows is far too expensive to jsutify if the one you have works | Apr 16 13:54 |
| schestowitz | zoobab01: which question? EBoA? | Apr 16 13:54 |
| schestowitz | zoobab01: the questions were kind of weird | Apr 16 13:54 |
| oiaohm | http://www.youtube.com/watch?... This on of IBM I have always loved. | Apr 16 13:54 |
| schestowitz | Not that I want to say it; they just were | Apr 16 13:54 |
| oiaohm | on/one | Apr 16 13:54 |
| DaemonFC | and becauseand even if you could go out and buy the upgrade, it probably won't run well or at all without new hardware | Apr 16 13:55 |
| DaemonFC | so they have two problems, I'd say the slow and bloated part is hurting them worse | Apr 16 13:55 |
| zer0c00l | BJP’s national IT cell convener, Pradyut Bora, said: “This should be asked to the state government. But, policies can always change.” morons http://www.expressindia.com/latest-new... | Apr 16 13:56 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: pretenders? | Apr 16 13:57 |
| schestowitz | Maybe the publicity stunt | Apr 16 13:57 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz, yes | Apr 16 13:57 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Avermedia's media center is far better than Microsoft's, heh | Apr 16 13:57 |
| DaemonFC | it does not respect the "broadcast flag" | Apr 16 13:58 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz, the party supported patents in the past | Apr 16 13:58 |
| schestowitz | Two possibilities: 1) bargaining with Microsoft by playing hard to get; 2) election stunts for voters (like in Brazil) | Apr 16 13:58 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: ha | Apr 16 13:58 |
| schestowitz | Flip-floppers | Apr 16 13:58 |
| schestowitz | Keeping pressure of them is important | Apr 16 13:58 |
| schestowitz | Words are not contract | Apr 16 13:59 |
| schestowitz | Same with PDF 'prospectus' | Apr 16 13:59 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I think I'll skip the printer and jsut email anything I need to print to myself and print it out at the library :P | Apr 16 13:59 |
| schestowitz | It's nothing you can legally use to say they lied or violated faith when Orlando Ayala and his Dumping Mafia bribes BJP | Apr 16 13:59 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz, did you read http://www.hindu.com/2009/04/10/s... that same party | Apr 16 13:59 |
| zer0c00l | *article on that same party | Apr 16 13:59 |
| zer0c00l | BJP -- a party that promotes hatred and violence in the name of religion in india | Apr 16 14:00 |
| zer0c00l | Orlando Ayala? | Apr 16 14:00 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: I'll post it later | Apr 16 14:01 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz, ok | Apr 16 14:01 |
| schestowitz | Orlando Ayala = Microsoft's anti-Linux dumper | Apr 16 14:01 |
| schestowitz | He also attacked OLPC with his cheap cigarettes | Apr 16 14:02 |
| schestowitz | They wanted to kill OLPC, they got it | Apr 16 14:02 |
| schestowitz | No Sugar, no public support anymore | Apr 16 14:02 |
| schestowitz | Search BN for his name. We have plenty | Apr 16 14:02 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmm.... weird new 'article'... GNU Free Documentation License < http://www.sueddeutsche.de/sonst... > | Apr 16 14:04 |
| Algyz | But really for average user it seems nearly impossible for m$ to bankrupt :) | Apr 16 14:05 |
| schestowitz | Becayse of brainwash | Apr 16 14:06 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft did not buy so many media companies for nothing | Apr 16 14:06 |
| schestowitz | They have already been publicly accused of spreading illusions of grandeur and vilifying those who contradict | Apr 16 14:07 |
| schestowitz | Algyz: let me cite, for WIW | Apr 16 14:07 |
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| schestowitz | http://billparish.com/msftfraudfacts.html "8) Managing the financial analyst community. Another excellent earnings management technique is the management of the analyst community. This can be done by directing investment banking business associated with acquisitions to a variety of firms based upon their opinion of the stock. " | Apr 16 14:08 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft purchased more than 33 companies in 1998. A good example here might be Rick Sherlund of Goldman Sachs, often noted as the guy who can move tech stocks. " | Apr 16 14:09 |
| schestowitz | "One might ask why Mr. Sherlund refers to Microsoft as a company with no debt when they clearly have a contractual obligation, just as real as today’s stock price, of $60 billion to their employees. " | Apr 16 14:09 |
| schestowitz | "5) Controlling the media. After issuing several press releases on PR Newswire, Microsoft told the service to stop issuing my press releases. Microsoft is PR Newswire's largest client. PR Newswire is owned by Miller Freeman of the UK, a large media company.." | Apr 16 14:09 |
| Algyz | Not so much usable OS's here, actually Linux is competitor, I'm happy with it, but lots of miseducated (by somehow, guess who) people imagining it like something unknowkn, causing lots of problems, etc.. | Apr 16 14:09 |
| schestowitz | "that publishes many computer related publications including Information Week in addition to Microsoft focused journals such as the Windows System Developer. Miller Freeman does indeed function as if it were a department of Microsoft itself. " | Apr 16 14:09 |
| schestowitz | Algyz: it's all in perception | Apr 16 14:10 |
| schestowitz | Same with many things, including "world is flat", "Iraq caused 9/11" etc. | Apr 16 14:10 |
| Algyz | :-D | Apr 16 14:10 |
| Algyz | red hat ad :-D | Apr 16 14:10 |
| Algyz | world is flat | Apr 16 14:10 |
| Algyz | I like it | Apr 16 14:11 |
| Algyz | For me actually ubuntu is ze best, although lots of people aren't very happy with this distro | Apr 16 14:11 |
| schestowitz | Oh, I forgot about the Red Hat ad | Apr 16 14:12 |
| schestowitz | For servers, GNU/Linux is great | Apr 16 14:12 |
| schestowitz | CentOS and debian too | Apr 16 14:12 |
| Algyz | Have you seen it? | Apr 16 14:12 |
| schestowitz | But Red Hat is the known brand | Apr 16 14:12 |
| schestowitz | Algyz: yes | Apr 16 14:12 |
| Algyz | youtube | Apr 16 14:13 |
| DaemonFC | Red Hat does a lot of good stuff | Apr 16 14:13 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2... | Apr 16 14:13 |
| DaemonFC | they're behind the native posix threads library too | Apr 16 14:13 |
| schestowitz | They have a new virt programme | Apr 16 14:13 |
| DaemonFC | so thank them we're not using the old broken linuxthreads B-) | Apr 16 14:13 |
| schestowitz | To replace those that Mcirosoft bought ot corrupted | Apr 16 14:13 |
| schestowitz | Include vmware and xen | Apr 16 14:13 |
| schestowitz | *including | Apr 16 14:13 |
| DaemonFC | Virtual PC sucks | Apr 16 14:13 |
| schestowitz | Hyped up stuff | Apr 16 14:14 |
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| DaemonFC | about the only think it can properly virtualize is Windows | Apr 16 14:14 |
| oiaohm | ksm is also about helping kvm. | Apr 16 14:14 |
| schestowitz | "Saving electricity" and other nonsense | Apr 16 14:14 |
| schestowitz | They hype it up dangerously in the press | Apr 16 14:14 |
| Algyz | novell also writing lots of kernel :S | Apr 16 14:14 |
| Algyz | like 10 pc | Apr 16 14:14 |
| DaemonFC | Virtual Box is better than Virtual PC on their own OS | Apr 16 14:14 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 16 14:14 |
| schestowitz | As though you lose if you don't virtualise | Apr 16 14:14 |
| schestowitz | Only 9% of servers were virtualise a while ago | Apr 16 14:14 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft wants to use adoption to lock Linux out | Apr 16 14:14 |
| DaemonFC | I think Microsoft knows it's going to have to be in on the Linux revenue | Apr 16 14:15 |
| DaemonFC | if it wants to stay relevant | Apr 16 14:15 |
| oiaohm | KVM can run Hyber-V inside. | Apr 16 14:15 |
| oiaohm | yep hybervisor inside hypervisor support. | Apr 16 14:15 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: that's why it poisons like via Novell | Apr 16 14:18 |
| schestowitz | Novell does not mind because Microsoft pumps money into it to do so | Apr 16 14:18 |
| schestowitz | Wikipedians to vote on Creative Commons license adoption < http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/20... >. Why change when something works fine? | Apr 16 14:22 |
| oiaohm | MS knew Linux would not be ready for years. | Apr 16 14:23 |
| oiaohm | Never allowed on the fact the Linux would cause them to fight themselves. | Apr 16 14:23 |
| oiaohm | Netbook market causes a boost in number of developers working on the desktop side. | Apr 16 14:24 |
| schestowitz | For Linux? | Apr 16 14:24 |
| schestowitz | That would be true, BUT... | Apr 16 14:25 |
| schestowitz | There's a cost to Microsoft | Apr 16 14:25 |
| schestowitz | Their profits | Apr 16 14:25 |
| schestowitz | Report due soon. | Apr 16 14:25 |
| schestowitz | They'll cook the books, but I'll look deeper | Apr 16 14:25 |
| oiaohm | 2014 is when MS prediced Linux would be come a problem. | Apr 16 14:26 |
| oiaohm | So 2012 change to .net would have been perfect. | Apr 16 14:26 |
| oiaohm | As with all time tables not everything goes to plan. | Apr 16 14:26 |
| schestowitz | Linux keeps running on anything from big to small: http://www.linuxdevices.com/ne... | Apr 16 14:26 |
| oiaohm | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWJ... Now that is a good selection of music. Now that would be warped if the installer played music. | Apr 16 14:27 |
| oiaohm | Yes redhat 5 installing min in 10 mins. | Apr 16 14:27 |
| schestowitz | New Glade is released (GTK GUIs): http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME... | Apr 16 14:30 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: can do cluster-install too | Apr 16 14:31 |
| schestowitz | Seen it happen in our department | Apr 16 14:31 |
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| oiaohm | I have done debain cluster installs as well. | Apr 16 14:32 |
| oiaohm | its mostly just the right software. | Apr 16 14:32 |
| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/20... (YouTube A Breeding Ground For Ponzi Schemes) | Apr 16 14:35 |
| schestowitz | Mentioned yesterday: Amazon Says No To Phorm Tracking < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/20... > Phorm was sued, but it's part of a malicious cabal (in this case) that includes BT and the UK govt. | Apr 16 14:36 |
| schestowitz | Google/Yahoo could make a fortunate selling people's profiles | Apr 16 14:37 |
| schestowitz | Sweden targets strippers for tax < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wor... > | Apr 16 14:39 |
| iwmw | google at least is allowed to do that | Apr 16 14:39 |
| iwmw | as good as i remember google can sell almost anything about you while it makes money for them | Apr 16 14:40 |
| schestowitz | In the news: http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news... http://ostatic.com/blog/why-isnt-op... Considering all that MOU nonsense (and EDGI) which is arguably against the law, I think one point should mentioned the police/authorities. White-collar crime is part of the problem here and being all nice and cute about it won't resolve the proble | Apr 16 14:43 |
| schestowitz | m. | Apr 16 14:43 |
| schestowitz | iwmw: why is Google allowed? | Apr 16 14:43 |
| schestowitz | It has the best profiles probably | Apr 16 14:44 |
| schestowitz | The most intrusive | Apr 16 14:44 |
| iwmw | yeah... about almost all of your interests and your login/passwords to other sites occasionally | Apr 16 14:45 |
| iwmw | yeah, chats also and people connected | Apr 16 14:46 |
| iwmw | yeah, and it's allowed just because government loves to know such kind of info | Apr 16 14:47 |
| iwmw | so it can has anyone's ass immediately as it needs it | Apr 16 14:49 |
| schestowitz | yes | Apr 16 14:49 |
| schestowitz | same with phorm | Apr 16 14:50 |
| schestowitz | Phorm essentially goes BEYOND ISP retention and also parses the info and organises it at the expense of non-public fund. | Apr 16 14:50 |
| schestowitz | zoobab01: http://blogs.fsfe.org/greve/?p=321 | Apr 16 14:53 |
| schestowitz | zoobab01: what's up with Digistan? http://www.digistan.org/about | Apr 16 14:55 |
| schestowitz | OpenBSD: Check out my Xfce desktop < http://insidesocal.com/click/2009/04/ope... > | Apr 16 15:01 |
| schestowitz | Sun Said to Be Willing to Talk If IBM Eases on Terms < http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p... > | Apr 16 15:02 |
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| schestowitz | Ok, I'm heading off | Apr 16 15:04 |
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| trmanco | :) | Apr 16 15:36 |
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| trmanco | upgrade went flawless :D | Apr 16 16:31 |
| Balrog | hello everyone | Apr 16 16:46 |
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| trmanco | hello Balrog | Apr 16 17:02 |
| trmanco | oops | Apr 16 17:02 |
| trmanco | oh yeah, I got it right | Apr 16 17:02 |
| Balrog | yes. | Apr 16 17:04 |
| Balrog | anything new of importance, other than the general realization the MS is spreading more and more FUD and propaganda?? | Apr 16 17:04 |
| trmanco | I have no idea for today, I've been upgrading my Linux box | Apr 16 17:07 |
| Balrog | I see. | Apr 16 17:09 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: 9.04? | Apr 16 17:14 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, yes | Apr 16 17:15 |
| trmanco | RC | Apr 16 17:15 |
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| *You are now known as agent904 | Apr 16 17:15 | |
| trmanco | loool | Apr 16 17:15 |
| trmanco | I like the notification system | Apr 16 17:15 |
| *You are now known as schestowitz | Apr 16 17:15 | |
| *services. sets mode +e schestowitz | Apr 16 17:15 | |
| trmanco | but still lacks some functionality and configuration | Apr 16 17:16 |
| trmanco | I has a new shiny usplash and gdm theme | Apr 16 17:17 |
| trmanco | it nwo includes Epiphany for some reason | Apr 16 17:21 |
| trmanco | now* | Apr 16 17:21 |
| schestowitz | How much do you know about MS and DHS (and BSA? | Apr 16 17:21 |
| schestowitz | I just got this: | Apr 16 17:22 |
| schestowitz | "You've probably already seen this, but reading it almost made me throw up (yes, absolutely a puke/barf/gag moment). Figured I'd better send it along to you, just in case you hadn't seen it yet. This part made me laugh...between gagging spells (nope, not a pretty sight)..." | Apr 16 17:22 |
| schestowitz | "To try to help public safety agencies, Microsoft announced Citizen Safety Architecture, an umbrella under which it will market its existing products and those of partners for use by public safety organizations." http://www.pcworld.com/article/163183... | Apr 16 17:22 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/12... | Apr 16 17:22 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/1... http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/0... This is becoming unnerving. Microsoft is pushing its fist up the wrong places now. | Apr 16 17:23 |
| schestowitz | $USA_Government.PromoteDemocracy(); | Apr 16 17:23 |
| schestowitz | ##ERROR: function/method 'PromoteDemocracy()' deprecated, try 'Invade()' instead | Apr 16 17:24 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft.PromoteWindows(); | Apr 16 17:24 |
| trmanco | haha | Apr 16 17:24 |
| schestowitz | ##ERROR: not enough cronies | Apr 16 17:24 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft.InvadeDHS(); | Apr 16 17:24 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft.PromoteWindows(); | Apr 16 17:25 |
| schestowitz | PASSWORD: | Apr 16 17:25 |
| schestowitz | error. try again. | Apr 16 17:25 |
| schestowitz | PASSWORD: | Apr 16 17:25 |
| schestowitz | error. try again. | Apr 16 17:25 |
| schestowitz | PASSWORD: | Apr 16 17:25 |
| schestowitz | C:\> | Apr 16 17:25 |
| schestowitz | Wha?!!? | Apr 16 17:25 |
| schestowitz | Sudo !! | Apr 16 17:25 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03... | Apr 16 17:27 |
| trmanco | Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.0.8) Gecko/2009033100 Ubuntu/9.04 (jaunty) Firefox/3.0.8 | Apr 16 17:28 |
| trmanco | :D | Apr 16 17:28 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/16/ms-... An Influential Meal at Ubuntu | Apr 16 17:32 |
| schestowitz | http://www.yumsugar.com/3035406 | Apr 16 17:32 |
| trmanco | wow, an Ubuntu restaurant | Apr 16 17:34 |
| schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/open/Vulne... | Apr 16 17:36 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: yes, it's also to do with basketball | Apr 16 17:37 |
| schestowitz | I syndicate those terms | Apr 16 17:37 |
| schestowitz | GNU is lots of news in Africa | Apr 16 17:37 |
| trmanco | udev | Apr 16 17:38 |
| trmanco | I received a security update yesterday for it (Intrepid) | Apr 16 17:38 |
| schestowitz | it comes with lots of sw | Apr 16 17:41 |
| schestowitz | +repos | Apr 16 17:41 |
| schestowitz | brb | Apr 16 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Writing a brief post | Apr 16 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | about IE 8's weak crypto if you run it on XP or 2003 | Apr 16 17:45 |
| trmanco | wha? weak crypto? how do you know that? | Apr 16 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | cause they decided not to update cipher strength unless you buy Windows 7 or Vista | Apr 16 17:51 |
| trmanco | haha, another way to make money -> credit: MS | Apr 16 17:54 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2... | Apr 16 18:01 |
| trmanco | http://git.gnome.org/cgit/ <- :D | Apr 16 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | looks liek Safari 4 has native widgets | Apr 16 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | for XP and Vista users | Apr 16 18:02 |
| schestowitz | I think Larry Lessig should really comment on what Obama is doing appointing RIAA lawyers, which may be Biden's fault. | Apr 16 18:06 |
| schestowitz | Online-Only Newspapers Face Uphill Battle < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2... > Translation: they're dying, unless the public funds them. | Apr 16 18:07 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: consequences of bad security: Conficker likely to cause rise in spam levels < http://www.itwire.com/con... > | Apr 16 18:09 |
| schestowitz | BTW I liked to that Vista7 post yesterday | Apr 16 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | I noticed the pingback | Apr 16 18:09 |
| schestowitz | Spreading love to family and friends: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu... (Ubuntu 9.04 Free CDs: Orders Are Taken Now) | Apr 16 18:10 |
| schestowitz | http://triangle.bizjournals.com/tri... "Chairman Szulik sells 55,000 Red Hat shares" | Apr 16 18:16 |