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| Balrog | then what is it? | Apr 29 15:52 |
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| Balrog | or what do you think it is * | Apr 29 15:52 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, that ZDNet FUS bothers me | Apr 29 15:53 |
| schestowitz | Comes fro the lair of Ou et al | Apr 29 15:53 |
| schestowitz | TechRepublic | Apr 29 15:53 |
| schestowitz | Some Windows/cCompTIA guy spreads Linux FUD | Apr 29 15:53 |
| Balrog | :/ | Apr 29 15:53 |
| schestowitz | Pretending to be writing about "open source security" | Apr 29 15:53 |
| schestowitz | Very typical | Apr 29 15:53 |
| Balrog | url? | Apr 29 15:53 |
| Balrog | http://www.zdnetasia.com/techguid... | Apr 29 15:54 |
| Balrog | sorry | Apr 29 15:54 |
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| schestowitz | Accumulate damages caused by Windows/oft | Apr 29 15:57 |
| schestowitz | Serve the bill every month to Microsoft/Windows users | Apr 29 15:58 |
| schestowitz | They can take the tab | Apr 29 15:58 |
| trmanco | Time for a banshee fork/port to c++ | Apr 29 15:58 |
| schestowitz | That's one option | Apr 29 15:58 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, does that option exist? -> http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content... | Apr 29 15:59 |
| MinceR | :D | Apr 29 15:59 |
| schestowitz | Sys-con (shills) spread a lot of Ballnux/Windows whitepapers ATM: http://opensource.sys-con.com... | Apr 29 15:59 |
| trmanco | :-p | Apr 29 15:59 |
| schestowitz | Lots of ballnux | Apr 29 15:59 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: it should | Apr 29 15:59 |
| trmanco | hehe | Apr 29 15:59 |
| schestowitz | Does Cisco even count as much of a s/w company or is Asay being an ignorant non-programmer again? http://news.cnet.com/8301-... | Apr 29 16:02 |
| schestowitz | Cisco, unlike IBM, makes a lot of its money selling equipment. | Apr 29 16:02 |
| schestowitz | Titles should say somthing not about "software" in particular | Apr 29 16:02 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: oh wait | Apr 29 16:03 |
| schestowitz | Anroid FUD, eh Eruaran? | Apr 29 16:03 |
| schestowitz | You know why? | Apr 29 16:03 |
| schestowitz | 1.5 release of SDK | Apr 29 16:03 |
| schestowitz | They need to pollute the news to scare away developers | Apr 29 16:03 |
| schestowitz | Talking point: "if you develop for it, there will be no users" | Apr 29 16:04 |
| Balrog | yes, android FUD | Apr 29 16:04 |
| Balrog | heh. | Apr 29 16:04 |
| schestowitz | About the MSNBC FUD: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/24... | Apr 29 16:05 |
| schestowitz | They forgot iPhone too is just one phone | Apr 29 16:05 |
| Eruaran | Microsoft are failing. | Apr 29 16:06 |
| MinceR | they should hurry up and die. | Apr 29 16:07 |
| Eruaran | Their Vista7 RC is all about feeding the media | Apr 29 16:08 |
| Balrog | yes. | Apr 29 16:08 |
| Eruaran | Ubuntu is building towards a critical mass I think | Apr 29 16:09 |
| Eruaran | Its no surprise you get articles appearing on websites within a week or so of Ubuntu Jaunty's release, announcing the impending availability of Windows 7 RC1... | Apr 29 16:10 |
| Eruaran | I saw an article about Microsoft trying to do social networking with "Vine" | Apr 29 16:13 |
| Eruaran | Paid subscription... | Apr 29 16:13 |
| Eruaran | lol | Apr 29 16:13 |
| Balrog | ?!? | Apr 29 16:14 |
| Eruaran | serious | Apr 29 16:14 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: hehe | Apr 29 16:15 |
| schestowitz | Vista7 articles | Apr 29 16:15 |
| schestowitz | Notice how NOBODY mentioned Vista anymore | Apr 29 16:15 |
| schestowitz | Not tyhe press, not people | Apr 29 16:15 |
| schestowitz | That's intentional | Apr 29 16:15 |
| schestowitz | It's what Microsoft wanted | Apr 29 16:15 |
| Eruaran | yep | Apr 29 16:15 |
| schestowitz | It become an epic, legendary failure | Apr 29 16:15 |
| schestowitz | So it had to -- by its own admission -- chahnge the topic | Apr 29 16:15 |
| schestowitz | Last week in the news | Apr 29 16:15 |
| schestowitz | In headlines: "Vista" 2 time, "Windows 7" 19 times | Apr 29 16:16 |
| Eruaran | Dictionary entry for "Fail": see "Windows Vista" | Apr 29 16:16 |
| schestowitz | It figures | Apr 29 16:16 |
| schestowitz | Even if there's news about VIsta, MS will keep quiet about it | Apr 29 16:16 |
| schestowitz | It encourages negative discussions. | Apr 29 16:16 |
| schestowitz | I HATE the 'press' | Apr 29 16:16 |
| schestowitz | Like 'Times', 'BBC', 'CNN' | Apr 29 16:17 |
| schestowitz | Michael Moore giving it to CNN. http://www.youtube.com/w... | Apr 29 16:17 |
| schestowitz | "Well!! I guess we'll talk again in 3 years" (from memory) | Apr 29 16:17 |
| schestowitz | There needs to be a segment like this in CNN every 6 hours | Apr 29 16:17 |
| schestowitz | I dropped my CNN RSS feed last week also (for "technology") | Apr 29 16:18 |
| schestowitz | They cover dolphin and stuff rather than corruption where it really matters, esp. now. | Apr 29 16:18 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: <http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid...> "Is Apache Or GPL Better For Open-Source Business?" | Apr 29 16:18 |
| Balrog | "Eric Raymond argues that the GPL is 'a confession of fear and weakness' that 'slows down open-source adoption' because of the fear and uncertainty the GPL provokes." | Apr 29 16:18 |
| schestowitz | ESR :| | Apr 29 16:19 |
| schestowitz | I saw it some days ago | Apr 29 16:19 |
| MinceR | wow, he's really a nutcase now | Apr 29 16:19 |
| schestowitz | "'slows down open-source adoption' because of the fear and uncertainty the GPL provokes."" | Apr 29 16:19 |
| schestowitz | Haha. | Apr 29 16:19 |
| schestowitz | Who from? | Apr 29 16:19 |
| schestowitz | ESR? | Apr 29 16:19 |
| schestowitz | Yes, FUD from ESR | Apr 29 16:19 |
| Eruaran | o_0 | Apr 29 16:20 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is bad because I say it's bad | Apr 29 16:20 |
| schestowitz | Circular logic | Apr 29 16:20 |
| Eruaran | ESR losing the plot ? | Apr 29 16:20 |
| schestowitz | Losing the gun | Apr 29 16:20 |
| schestowitz | *guns | Apr 29 16:20 |
| Eruaran | He's got a few horses loose in the top paddock. | Apr 29 16:22 |
| Eruaran | or sheep | Apr 29 16:22 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: What do you think of Samba? Is it bad too? | Apr 29 16:32 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: nope | Apr 29 16:37 |
| schestowitz | Different scenario | Apr 29 16:37 |
| schestowitz | Glyn Moody wrote about it | Apr 29 16:37 |
| schestowitz | But in my mind, the key is that we don't need Mono | Apr 29 16:38 |
| schestowitz | We have other PLs | Apr 29 16:38 |
| schestowitz | And they run on Windows too | Apr 29 16:38 |
| schestowitz | Java, C, etc | Apr 29 16:38 |
| schestowitz | Samba is another can of worms | Apr 29 16:38 |
| schestowitz | And the EU handled it differently | Apr 29 16:38 |
| schestowitz | http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs/... | Apr 29 16:38 |
| schestowitz | We must hit Microsoft where it HURTS. Not market share, but MARGINS. ISVs can do so too. | Apr 29 16:41 |
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| tessier_ | How do you calculate margins on software? | Apr 29 16:49 |
| *tessier_ is less and less a fan of esr also | Apr 29 16:50 | |
| schestowitz | tessier: development cost/sales revenue or something like that, I guess | Apr 29 16:53 |
| tessier_ | Right. And by that measure their margins are HUGE. | Apr 29 16:54 |
| tessier_ | And will be very difficult to hurt. | Apr 29 16:54 |
| schestowitz | Are Xbox margins huge? | Apr 29 17:07 |
| schestowitz | How about MSN/Live? | Apr 29 17:07 |
| schestowitz | And Windows Mobile? | Apr 29 17:07 |
| schestowitz | And Zune? | Apr 29 17:07 |
| _boo_ | idk what's msn/live even | Apr 29 17:16 |
| _boo_ | and forgot what zune is | Apr 29 17:17 |
| schestowitz | US technology panel: by megacorps for megacorps? http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/29/sc... | Apr 29 17:18 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: see the photo. Maybe you'll recognise it | Apr 29 17:18 |
| MinceR | hungarian parliament? | Apr 29 17:19 |
| MinceR | oh, the url gives it away | Apr 29 17:19 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: LLVM is very promising | Apr 29 17:20 |
| MinceR | i just don't see the connection | Apr 29 17:20 |
| Balrog | though it is bsd-licensed | Apr 29 17:20 |
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| Balrog | http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/... | Apr 29 17:36 |
| Balrog | so much fud from the commenters :( | Apr 29 17:36 |
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| oso`perezoso | hi | Apr 29 17:43 |
| oso`perezoso | lol | Apr 29 17:43 |
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| schestowitz | Hey | Apr 29 17:49 |
| schestowitz | What's up? | Apr 29 17:49 |
| oso`perezoso | mm.. interesting any links to substantiate such a strong accusation? | Apr 29 17:49 |
| schestowitz | Which one/s? | Apr 29 17:49 |
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| oso`perezoso | 'sever implications' | Apr 29 17:52 |
| oso`perezoso | I mean this is a bold claim to make so I sorta expected to have some grounds. | Apr 29 17:55 |
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| schestowitz | Watch the new post titled "The Big Australian Press: “Microsoft Has Not Ruled Out Buying a Linux Company”" http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/29/on... | Apr 29 17:56 |
| schestowitz | oso`perezoso: in the title? | Apr 29 17:57 |
| oso`perezoso | nor the title neither the topic got links | Apr 29 17:59 |
| oso`perezoso | wouldn't be buying linux firms plant a open source trojan from within in m$$?? | Apr 29 18:00 |
| oso`perezoso | I mean GPL is not reversible. | Apr 29 18:01 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Apr 29 18:01 |
| schestowitz | But Microsoft is miserable | Apr 29 18:01 |
| schestowitz | It can hope to sell proprietary alongside or in addition to FOSS | Apr 29 18:01 |
| schestowitz | It's not so far fetched | Apr 29 18:01 |
| schestowitz | But... | Apr 29 18:01 |
| schestowitz | If it distributed GPLv3-ed s/w, that would get complicated | Apr 29 18:02 |
| oso`perezoso | I'll read your link | Apr 29 18:04 |
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| oso`perezoso | so this is squarely aimed at $u$e then? | Apr 29 18:04 |
| oso`perezoso | since $u$e is Novell's distro. | Apr 29 18:05 |
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| schestowitz | Linux's ARM getting stronger against Wintel: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/... | Apr 29 18:06 |
| schestowitz | oso`perezoso: what specifically aimed at SUSE? | Apr 29 18:06 |
| oso`perezoso | these accusations | Apr 29 18:08 |
| schestowitz | Oh, not again... SJVN joins the FUD party. http://practical-tech.com/develo... | Apr 29 18:08 |
| schestowitz | oso`perezoso: it started with Novell | Apr 29 18:08 |
| oso`perezoso | go linux go!! | Apr 29 18:08 |
| schestowitz | There are more vendors, but Novell has the tightest relationship | Apr 29 18:08 |
| oso`perezoso | this is really odd. Why on earth linux vendors would willingly side with m$$?? I mean linux got a strong foundation to defend and support any project. Linux Foundation. Not to mention HEAVY WEIGHT big iron backing us up | Apr 29 18:10 |
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| schestowitz | oso`perezoso: Microsoft paid them | Apr 29 18:13 |
| schestowitz | $240,000,000 | Apr 29 18:13 |
| schestowitz | And beyond | Apr 29 18:13 |
| schestowitz | Quiz: History of Sun Microsystems Quiz < http://www.technologyandbusiness.com.au/pc... > | Apr 29 18:13 |
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| oso`perezoso | these are companies that long ago longed freeing from the yokes of m$$. | Apr 29 18:18 |
| schestowitz | RIAA settles for $7,000 after 4 years pursuing NY mum < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/0... > | Apr 29 18:22 |
| schestowitz | Some artists want to get off the yokes of MAFIAA | Apr 29 18:22 |
| schestowitz | YouTube gives a good platform to many | Apr 29 18:23 |
| oso`perezoso | err.. not only youtube, new ways of producing are freeing artist from MAFIAA | Apr 29 18:26 |
| schestowitz | Exec jumps from one Microsoft puppet to another: Top EMC exec jumps ship for HP < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04... > | Apr 29 18:29 |
| schestowitz | oso`perezoso: of course | Apr 29 18:29 |
| schestowitz | "Installed Jaunty Jackalope with Wubi. Definitely feels like a smoother UI on my Lenovo." http://scienceblogs.com/gnxp/2009/04/j... | Apr 29 18:34 |
| oso`perezoso | LMAO@puppetry | Apr 29 18:35 |
| schestowitz | Well, weasel word | Apr 29 18:35 |
| oso`perezoso | did you hear about m$$ hiring the highest ranking CPU designer from Sun Microsystems? | Apr 29 18:36 |
| schestowitz | Just meaning when a company serves another. Like the US and Canada sometimes | Apr 29 18:36 |
| schestowitz | oso`perezoso: no big deal that | Apr 29 18:36 |
| schestowitz | He had to find /some/ place to work | Apr 29 18:36 |
| schestowitz | Oracle won't do much h/w | Apr 29 18:37 |
| oso`perezoso | I don't know if are familiar but in Slashdot there was this article about m$$ entering in the CPU industry in the near future | Apr 29 18:38 |
| schestowitz | oso`perezoso: It would not surprise me | Apr 29 18:40 |
| schestowitz | Found today: http://www.wwj.com/B-ham-Native--Ex-... "a former Microsoft Corp. executive. He says the days of proprietary software are numbered and companies like Microsoft are likely doomed" | Apr 29 18:40 |
| schestowitz | Their business model is dying | Apr 29 18:40 |
| schestowitz | They try h/w now | Apr 29 18:40 |
| schestowitz | They fail badly | Apr 29 18:40 |
| schestowitz | Zune=disaster | Apr 29 18:40 |
| schestowitz | XBox=billions in losses | Apr 29 18:40 |
| schestowitz | SaaS= billions in losses(MSN/Live | Apr 29 18:41 |
| schestowitz | They still have some bright people (even if they are criminal or unethical) | Apr 29 18:41 |
| schestowitz | They need to put these people to use where they can make a PROFIT | Apr 29 18:41 |
| schestowitz | In most divisions (ping tessier ) Microsoft is LOSING money. And software margins erode quickly. | Apr 29 18:41 |
| oso`perezoso | lol | Apr 29 18:43 |
| oso`perezoso | the interesting thing is that they try to copy stuff from companies that themselves innovated that specific product and were succesful. | Apr 29 18:43 |
| oso`perezoso | apple=ipod, sony=ps2,ps3, google etc | Apr 29 18:44 |
| oso`perezoso | and they do those thing simply by pouring $$$ on their projects but lack the innovative and creativity edge. | Apr 29 18:45 |
| schestowitz | You forgot key ones | Apr 29 18:45 |
| schestowitz | Adobe | Apr 29 18:45 |
| schestowitz | x3 | Apr 29 18:45 |
| schestowitz | Photoshop = Microsoft called its clone off | Apr 29 18:45 |
| schestowitz | Flash = MS is nowhere, still bribing for Silver Lie deals | Apr 29 18:45 |
| oso`perezoso | yeah just about anything. | Apr 29 18:46 |
| schestowitz | XPS = seen it recently? Enough said... since 2005. | Apr 29 18:46 |
| schestowitz | PDF is even embraced by MS now | Apr 29 18:46 |
| oso`perezoso | but's true that their business model won't last. | Apr 29 18:46 |
| schestowitz | They can't quite monetise XPS anyway. Same with HD that they gave to JPEG | Apr 29 18:46 |
| schestowitz | oso`perezoso: that's why they leech via Novell | Apr 29 18:47 |
| schestowitz | Novell: "yes, we signed a patent deal, blah blah" | Apr 29 18:47 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft: "now y'all need to pay us" | Apr 29 18:47 |
| oso`perezoso | look at the router industry, two years ago when I was trying to flash openwrt I found out that brands were using propiertary stuff and so on. I checked back recently to update and guess what. | Apr 29 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Here's a Microsoft employee advancing Ballmer et al today: http://tirania.org/blog/archive... | Apr 29 18:48 |
| oso`perezoso | ALL the mayor brands switched to Openwrt!!!!!! | Apr 29 18:48 |
| oso`perezoso | I was flaggerblsated!! | Apr 29 18:48 |
| oso`perezoso | not exactly openwrt but the same with their own custom modifications!!! | Apr 29 18:49 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Apr 29 18:49 |
| schestowitz | flaggerblsated | Apr 29 18:49 |
| schestowitz | flabbergasted? | Apr 29 18:49 |
| schestowitz | There's a GPL suit maybe | Apr 29 18:50 |
| oso`perezoso | lol yeah. | Apr 29 18:50 |
| schestowitz | Controversy Haunts Linux-based DD-WRT-- GPL Violator? Betrayer of Open Source? < http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet... > | Apr 29 18:50 |
| oso`perezoso | err, well linux gotta keep a eye on them. :D | Apr 29 18:51 |
| oso`perezoso | I think companies are realizing how open source can help their products better by streamlining the drivers/software development and delivering bettor products. | Apr 29 18:52 |
| schestowitz | zoobab01: http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_... | Apr 29 18:53 |
| oso`perezoso | this famous guy writing drivers for just about any webcam out there got support from Logitech Creative Labs etc. | Apr 29 18:53 |
| oso`perezoso | I think companies feel like this when a driver not their own is making success, they get envious so they open the source and keep it in their site :D | Apr 29 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Open Source Jobs: Olliance Group is Growing < http://robertogaloppini.net/2009/04/29/... > | Apr 29 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Yes, a French man. | Apr 29 18:56 |
| schestowitz | it was misstated | Apr 29 18:56 |
| oso`perezoso | yep | Apr 29 18:56 |
| schestowitz | There's lots of overlap in driver development there | Apr 29 18:56 |
| schestowitz | He didn't write drivers for 200+ devices ONE BY ONE | Apr 29 18:56 |
| oso`perezoso | I know, but maintains | Apr 29 18:56 |
| oso`perezoso | do you code?? | Apr 29 18:57 |
| oso`perezoso | lol@Olliance!!! | Apr 29 18:57 |
| oso`perezoso | Open + Alliance = Olliance?? | Apr 29 18:57 |
| schestowitz | ODF news is currently floored by news about the company that attacked ODF endlessly | Apr 29 18:59 |
| schestowitz | They cheer over something they'll try to just screw | Apr 29 18:59 |
| schestowitz | wait and watch | Apr 29 18:59 |
| schestowitz | oso`perezoso: Yes, I code | Apr 29 18:59 |
| oso`perezoso | I don't | Apr 29 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Never done drivers | Apr 29 18:59 |
| oso`perezoso | ODF is the good one or evil? | Apr 29 19:00 |
| schestowitz | Greg K-H from Novell wrote some tutorials IIRCt | Apr 29 19:00 |
| schestowitz | There's more volunteers for drivers work than drivers to be done | Apr 29 19:00 |
| schestowitz | The good one | Apr 29 19:00 |
| schestowitz | Although IBM needs to be watched. Oracle too. | Apr 29 19:00 |
| schestowitz | If they collude with MS, then that's the end of that | Apr 29 19:00 |
| oso`perezoso | the end of whon? | Apr 29 19:02 |
| oso`perezoso | m$ can't pick a fight with Oracle and IBM | Apr 29 19:02 |
| oso`perezoso | Oracle that recently bought Sun?? no way | Apr 29 19:02 |
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| schestowitz | Manchester, UK - MIT's FabLab scheme is adding the UK to its growing network. < http://www.tgdaily.com/html_tmp... > | Apr 29 19:07 |
| schestowitz | oso`perezoso: no, I was thinking about something else | Apr 29 19:08 |
| schestowitz | Grouping over standards | Apr 29 19:08 |
| schestowitz | Marbux wrote about it last year | Apr 29 19:08 |
| schestowitz | There may be substance to that | Apr 29 19:08 |
| schestowitz | Some kind of a ceasefire from Sutor et al | Apr 29 19:08 |
| schestowitz | Welcome to the Ubuntu-Women website < http://ubuntu-women.org/ > | Apr 29 19:09 |
| schestowitz | This is good in a way. Not separation based on gender, but it's an indication of growth. | Apr 29 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.istartedsomething.com/2... | Apr 29 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Apr 29 19:09 |
| oso`perezoso | LMAO@Ubuntu-women!! | Apr 29 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | not touching that one | Apr 29 19:11 |
| schestowitz | Does corporate hog farming breed swine flu? < http://www.salon.com/tech/htww/... > | Apr 29 19:11 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. Extras. | Apr 29 19:11 |
| schestowitz | Still not arrived at the scene like promised, eh? | Apr 29 19:12 |
| schestowitz | Where are people lining up for refunds? | Apr 29 19:12 |
| schestowitz | Or class action? | Apr 29 19:12 |
| schestowitz | They have complained since 2007 | Apr 29 19:12 |
| schestowitz | BTW I haven't opened that URL yet. istartedsomething is a bit of a Microsoft guerrilla marketing blog IMHO. | Apr 29 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | "Update 2: It looks like Microsoft Australia even offered someone a downgrade from Ultimate to Home Premium over at the Neowin forums because he thought he wasn’t getting enough value." | Apr 29 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | lmao | Apr 29 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | the Ultimate version's main thing is it has everything from Business and Home Premium | Apr 29 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | Home Premium doesn't have the policy editors, volume shadow service, etc | Apr 29 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | I know there's other limits on it | Apr 29 19:15 |
| schestowitz | CSS naked: http://thenextweb.com/2009/04/28... | Apr 29 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | it's so close in Price to Business that you may as well get Ultimate | Apr 29 19:16 |
| oso`perezoso | neowin is pro-linux or m$$?? | Apr 29 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | because ate that point you're talking $20 | Apr 29 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | *at | Apr 29 19:16 |
| schestowitz | oso`perezoso: yes | Apr 29 19:16 |
| schestowitz | We have posts about that | Apr 29 19:16 |
| schestowitz | Also pro-SUSE, obviouslty | Apr 29 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | Neowin posts some stuff I download occasionally | Apr 29 19:16 |
| oso`perezoso | ah ok | Apr 29 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | they had the uxtheme multi-patcher and some themes | Apr 29 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | I think removing Aero Glass from Vista Basic was the biggest reason most people didn't buy it | Apr 29 19:17 |
| oso`perezoso | ok cool conversation | Apr 29 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | there was a way to hack around that and re-enable it though | Apr 29 19:18 |
| oso`perezoso | gonna read some of the links you posted. | Apr 29 19:18 |
| oso`perezoso | I could'nt keep up with them all :) | Apr 29 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | They crippled Vista Basic beyond belief | Apr 29 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | it couldn't even do some things XP Home could | Apr 29 19:18 |
| oso`perezoso | what a complete retarded decision not include Aero for everyone | Apr 29 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | I don't mean "Go find other software to do that", I mean they made Windows refuse at the kernel level | Apr 29 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | things like home networking/shares | Apr 29 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | it had limited XBOX 360 connectivity, but no more than XP Home with Windows Media Player 11 | Apr 29 19:20 |
| schestowitz | Check out this one: http://linspire.com/ | Apr 29 19:20 |
| oso`perezoso | wow, that's why I was having a hell've time trying to share folders between OSX and Vista?? | Apr 29 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | if you had Vista Basic? probably | Apr 29 19:20 |
| oso`perezoso | is it confirmed that Vista Basic is b0orkd for sharing? | Apr 29 19:21 |
| schestowitz | They seem to have totally elimated old site content | Apr 29 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | Home Premium at least gives you enough networking ability to set up a small LAN | Apr 29 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | and use your XBOX 360 :P | Apr 29 19:21 |
| schestowitz | Maybe not... http://www.google.com/search?q=s... | Apr 29 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Apr 29 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft even says it | Apr 29 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | in their comparison | Apr 29 19:21 |
| oso`perezoso | ok, it wasn't for me really, but a friend that has hell'uv issues with it I was trying to, help | Apr 29 19:22 |
| oso`perezoso | heck, I got multiple flavors of vi$ta and runnig m$7 :D | Apr 29 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, you will definitely notice crippling problems with Basic | Apr 29 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | you have to get Business or Ultimate to escape that really | Apr 29 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | Which i kind of the point | Apr 29 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | *is | Apr 29 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | Home Basic can also access 8 gigs of RAM, max, even the 64-bit version | Apr 29 19:24 |
| oso`perezoso | crazy. | Apr 29 19:24 |
| _boo_ | lol | Apr 29 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | one of the limitations they imposed to keep anyone from using it as a cheap server | Apr 29 19:24 |
| _boo_ | they're limiting resources XD | Apr 29 19:24 |
| oso`perezoso | err.. I only have 2GB lol | Apr 29 19:24 |
| oso`perezoso | well, you can't really blame them. | Apr 29 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | 32-bit versions can access 2.8-3.2 gigs of RAM | Apr 29 19:25 |
| oso`perezoso | that's what they do, marketing. | Apr 29 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | due to limitations in the PAE kernel | Apr 29 19:25 |
| _boo_ | for what not to blame? | Apr 29 19:25 |
| _boo_ | DaemonFC, 3.5 at max may be? | Apr 29 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | meh, I got 3.2 gigs max | Apr 29 19:25 |
| oso`perezoso | so they offer the cheapest crap one then the next one up more expensive with all the bells and whistles. | Apr 29 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | I suppose if you have integrated video then 3.5 sounds possible | Apr 29 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | but then the shared memory the video card takes will be about 256 megs anyway | Apr 29 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | so have fun with that | Apr 29 19:26 |
| oso`perezoso | So think a lusr walking into Best Buy and talking to the seller. | Apr 29 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | Vista Basic was there to provide a $99 upgrade over XP Home | Apr 29 19:26 |
| oso`perezoso | is like selling cars. 'Well this one is better includes AC, radio Cushionde seats, etc' | Apr 29 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | which was intended to cover up the price increase on the one you want to use | Apr 29 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | that way they had the $99 upgrade price point so you don't feel cheated that the $160 upgrade is the cheapest one there | Apr 29 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | the customer feels like they chose to spend another $61 | Apr 29 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Apr 29 19:27 |
| oso`perezoso | you can't blame m$$ really for anything. The alternatives are out there, ppl choose to go by marketing, then let them spend $$ for a cripple OS | Apr 29 19:27 |
| _boo_ | why? | Apr 29 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | not like they HAD to spend another $651 to get it to do anything useful | Apr 29 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 29 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | errr | Apr 29 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | $61 | Apr 29 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | it's a way to hike the price without making it seem unfair | Apr 29 19:28 |
| oso`perezoso | ppl support m$$ by buying their crap. | Apr 29 19:28 |
| schestowitz | Heh. 8 People On 1 Motorcycle Going Faster Than A Car In China < http://www.chinasmack.com/pictures/8-... > | Apr 29 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | old retail trick | Apr 29 19:28 |
| _boo_ | oso`perezoso, what about the fact that i have to buy shitty vista if i want to buy just good notebook? | Apr 29 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | if you go in Walmart they may have a piece of shit $30 microwave to get your attention, then you find out it's a piece of shit, and go on down the aisle | Apr 29 19:29 |
| oso`perezoso | yes is all about retail and marketing business/decisions NOTHING to do with the lusr's lol | Apr 29 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | end up leaving the store with a $70 model | Apr 29 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | not feeling robbed | Apr 29 19:29 |
| oso`perezoso | _boo_: slap some other OS on it | Apr 29 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft is essentially doing that with Vista | Apr 29 19:29 |
| _boo_ | but i have to buy vista | Apr 29 19:30 |
| _boo_ | it insults me | Apr 29 19:30 |
| Balrog | oso`perezoso: but MS is still getting money | Apr 29 19:30 |
| MinceR | oso`perezoso: they've still paid the m$ tax | Apr 29 19:30 |
| DaemonFC | Vista Basic is the piece of shit $30 no-name microwave designed to soften you up for the more expensive models | Apr 29 19:30 |
| oso`perezoso | LMAO@WalMart microwave example | Apr 29 19:30 |
| Balrog | _boo_: are there computer companies other than apple that don't ship windows on a computer? | Apr 29 19:30 |
| MinceR | there are | Apr 29 19:30 |
| Balrog | and not just netbooks | Apr 29 19:30 |
| MinceR | dell? | Apr 29 19:30 |
| DaemonFC | System76 | Apr 29 19:30 |
| DaemonFC | and Dell | Apr 29 19:30 |
| MinceR | (even though they're assholes) | Apr 29 19:30 |
| _boo_ | Balrog, yup | Apr 29 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | Dell has Ubuntu, Suse, and Red Hat | Apr 29 19:31 |
| oso`perezoso | _boo_: use torrents, there are more fun vi$ta options | Apr 29 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | but their consumer models have Ubuntu | Apr 29 19:31 |
| Balrog | Dell's quality has been quite good lately | Apr 29 19:31 |
| Balrog | oso`perezoso: the idea is to STOP USING vista | Apr 29 19:31 |
| _boo_ | there are quite a small amount of notebooks with linux and freedos | Apr 29 19:31 |
| Balrog | not dl it | Apr 29 19:31 |
| MinceR | the quality of my almost 1 year old dell laptop is crap. | Apr 29 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | the ones with Linux are pre-installed | Apr 29 19:31 |
| MinceR | and their support is crap, too | Apr 29 19:31 |
| oso`perezoso | Balrog: you don't have to tell me that :) | Apr 29 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | the ones with FreeDOS have just the CD with FreeDOS to not break their agreement with MS | Apr 29 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | that all systems shipped will have an "operating system" | Apr 29 19:32 |
| Balrog | ah. MS forces that? | Apr 29 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | yes | Apr 29 19:32 |
| Balrog | heh | Apr 29 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | used to be that MS jacked the price on Windows if you shipped any other OS | Apr 29 19:32 |
| Balrog | but they can't do that anymore ....? | Apr 29 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | cause those systems would "simply be formatted and will end up running pirate Windows" | Apr 29 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 29 19:32 |
| MinceR | here in hungary there's also albacomp and blackpanther | Apr 29 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | no, the US courts ordered that that was illegal | Apr 29 19:32 |
| MinceR | and probably others worldwide, but i'm not up-to-date | Apr 29 19:32 |
| Balrog | obviously. | Apr 29 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | so Microsoft's agreement with OEMs is now "All systems sold must include an operating system" | Apr 29 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | and MS can't penalize for that OS not being Windows | Apr 29 19:33 |
| oso`perezoso | wow crazy | Apr 29 19:33 |
| Balrog | it's easy enough to install linux or freedos | Apr 29 19:33 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I put a photo of Budapest in BN's FP. | Apr 29 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | right, but the idea is that every OEM copy of Windows lands them about $50 | Apr 29 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | so by buying the Windows system, you pay MS $50 | Apr 29 19:34 |
| Balrog | and those $50 add up | Apr 29 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | even if it ends up running something else | Apr 29 19:34 |
| Balrog | yes. something like 'per-CPU' licensing | Apr 29 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | so people were banding up and demanding the $50 be refunded | Apr 29 19:34 |
| Balrog | though that's illegal now | Apr 29 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | so that's why Dell puts Ubuntu on a few models | Apr 29 19:34 |
| oso`perezoso | ok is not buying vi$ta but it's more about showing the ppl how they paid for an utter piece of crap and that there are better alternatives. | Apr 29 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | HP and Gateway still issue refunds | Apr 29 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | you have to mail back your Windows disc and COA label | Apr 29 19:35 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: i've seen it, but i don't know why it's there :> | Apr 29 19:35 |
| oso`perezoso | didn't m$$ server have per ip license? | Apr 29 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | I mailed my copy of OEM Vista back to Gateway | Apr 29 19:35 |
| Balrog | oso`perezoso: I don't mean per IP | Apr 29 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | got $52 check in the mail | Apr 29 19:36 |
| oso`perezoso | is illegal to get $50 refund???!! | Apr 29 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | no | Apr 29 19:36 |
| Balrog | I meant that for every computer that a company made, they had to pay for a Windows license, whether or not windows was reinstalled | Apr 29 19:36 |
| Balrog | installed * | Apr 29 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft's EULA states you have that right | Apr 29 19:36 |
| Balrog | or included | Apr 29 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | and the OEM is a party to that agreement | Apr 29 19:36 |
| _boo_ | oso`perezoso, when you buy server you also buy the license to use it for some number of clients | Apr 29 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | and shall refund the price | Apr 29 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | been held up by the US courts that Microsoft and the OEM must refund Windows if you disagree with the EULA and destroy/send back all copies | Apr 29 19:37 |
| oso`perezoso | _boo_: I can't even begin to think how a m$$ server sets stuff up | Apr 29 19:37 |
| _boo_ | there are even calculators for m$ servers | Apr 29 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | there's different amounts I've seen people get | Apr 29 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | $52 is the refund for Home Premium | Apr 29 19:37 |
| _boo_ | it ends up with a good amount of money | Apr 29 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | I think it goes all the way up to about $100 for Ultimate | Apr 29 19:38 |
| oso`perezoso | ah ok, that'd be a bit excessive ILLEGAL to ask refund. | Apr 29 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | no, it's not illegal | Apr 29 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | you are exercising your rights under the Windows EULA to demand a refund for the copy of Windows you will not be using | Apr 29 19:38 |
| oso`perezoso | I understand, I am just saying would some sort of dictatorial practice. | Apr 29 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | and they give you back the amount that the OEM has paid Microsoft | Apr 29 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | OEM Windows price - whatever volume license discount the OEM got | Apr 29 19:39 |
| oso`perezoso | what if a retailer ask for refunds for all the computers sold and keeps the money and sells the computers with free OS such as linux?? :) | Apr 29 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | are they the end user of the system? | Apr 29 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | no | Apr 29 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | the retailer can't do that | Apr 29 19:40 |
| oso`perezoso | ah true. | Apr 29 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | End User means the person or organization that buys the system at retail and uses it themselves | Apr 29 19:40 |
| oso`perezoso | I remember seeing RedHat box CD in CompUSA back in 2003 or 2004. | Apr 29 19:41 |
| oso`perezoso | That's interesting they been there very early on. | Apr 29 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | Staples used to have Red Hat and Mandrake | Apr 29 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | they gave up cause it wasn't selling well | Apr 29 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | 8-9 years ago, Linux was not a system most people would want to use | Apr 29 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | bad performance, crippling driver issues, etc | Apr 29 19:42 |
| oso`perezoso | but those are server distros, there should be an OS for Desktops users | Apr 29 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | and you had to pay for it or download several CDs on likely a dial up connection | Apr 29 19:42 |
| oso`perezoso | lol | Apr 29 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | so it wasn't, really freely available | Apr 29 19:42 |
| oso`perezoso | i only noticed red hat back then because I started using linux. I didn't buy anything, Gentoo here. | Apr 29 19:43 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: cause of Stock Exchange | Apr 29 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | Red Hat actually gave up trying to make any money on desktop Linux over 10 years ago | Apr 29 19:43 |
| schestowitz | It's always an Hungarian site that I use for free pics | Apr 29 19:43 |
| oso`perezoso | a lot of ppl aren't aware about Linux | Apr 29 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | that announcement a few weeks ago by their CEO is not new or exciting | Apr 29 19:44 |
| oso`perezoso | LMAO!!! | Apr 29 19:44 |
| schestowitz | They can afford to wait | Apr 29 19:44 |
| schestowitz | Others develop Linux for them | Apr 29 19:44 |
| schestowitz | Mandriva, Ubuntu... | Apr 29 19:44 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: oh. | Apr 29 19:44 |
| schestowitz | When Red Hat wants to enter the destkop it just takes the latest peices | Apr 29 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu doesn't develop anything | Apr 29 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | Mandriva does a little | Apr 29 19:45 |
| schestowitz | It does it share of stuff too, e.g. pulseaudio | Apr 29 19:45 |
| oso`perezoso | Linux Desktop 10 years ago??? That sounds quite impossible, with what kernel 2.2 and one video/audio code availble and three drivers working?? | Apr 29 19:45 |
| schestowitz | Mandriva does KDE stuff, still. | Apr 29 19:45 |
| schestowitz | RPMs | Apr 29 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | Red Hat and Novell basically represent a half of the kernel work | Apr 29 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | and probably at least 1/4th of X | Apr 29 19:45 |
| schestowitz | I used Red Hat in 2000 | Apr 29 19:45 |
| schestowitz | Desktop | Apr 29 19:46 |
| schestowitz | KDE 2 IIRC | Apr 29 19:46 |
| schestowitz | It was VERY usable | Apr 29 19:46 |
| schestowitz | Also great for development | Apr 29 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu has released less than 200 patches since 2005 | Apr 29 19:46 |
| schestowitz | And it had ncie transparent windows decorations that looked nifty at the time | Apr 29 19:46 |
| MinceR | 205628 < DaemonFC> Ubuntu doesn't develop anything | Apr 29 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora has released over 40,000 | Apr 29 19:46 |
| MinceR | m$ FUD | Apr 29 19:46 |
| schestowitz | Windows was just ugly (win2k or win98 on my laptop) | Apr 29 19:46 |
| oso`perezoso | wow you are leaving out IBM and Sun | Apr 29 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | it's not FUD, Ubuntu is a passive consumer | Apr 29 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | they are not an authority on anything but Ubuntu | Apr 29 19:47 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: Fedora claims 100k downloads/week nw | Apr 29 19:47 |
| schestowitz | F10 | Apr 29 19:47 |
| MinceR | m$ FUD saying it isn't FUD | Apr 29 19:47 |
| MinceR | how surprising! | Apr 29 19:47 |
| Balrog | are you talking about the kernel or the other software? | Apr 29 19:47 |
| schestowitz | Many in places like NASA use it | Apr 29 19:47 |
| Balrog | Ubuntu contributes to other software, AFAIK | Apr 29 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | if Red Hat and Novell went under, it would be catastrophic, not because of who they are | Apr 29 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | because of how much work they do that nobody else is stepping up to do | Apr 29 19:47 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: a lot of KDE is built by volunteers | Apr 29 19:48 |
| schestowitz | like 70% IIRC | Apr 29 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | some of the people doing it would go to other places and keep doing it | Apr 29 19:48 |
| oso`perezoso | no, they maintain certain parts and they receive thousands of patches | Apr 29 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | but you're still losing a lot of people | Apr 29 19:48 |
| oso`perezoso | that's how it works | Apr 29 19:48 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: most of those people were doing the same thing elsewhere | Apr 29 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | The Linux Foundation said that 7 of 10 people working on Linux are paid to do it | Apr 29 19:49 |
| schestowitz | Nothing happend when reiser dived | Apr 29 19:49 |
| schestowitz | There are too many DEs and distros | Apr 29 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | so that's like the organization Linus Torvalds works at? | Apr 29 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | not Microsoft? | Apr 29 19:49 |
| schestowitz | No single point of failure | Apr 29 19:49 |
| MinceR | RMS wrote most of GNU without being paid for it at all | Apr 29 19:49 |
| schestowitz | 18 years and still going | Apr 29 19:49 |
| oso`perezoso | for instance Solaris has been using Gnome as default DE for 10 years | Apr 29 19:49 |
| schestowitz | Unlike Solaris on the face of it | Apr 29 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | well, it's obvious that the kernel was something that the GNU people were out of their league on | Apr 29 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | they undertook an enormous task without the talent or manpower to do it | Apr 29 19:50 |
| MinceR | it's not the same task | Apr 29 19:50 |
| oso`perezoso | MinceR: what are the GNU parts? the compiler, debugger etc?? | Apr 29 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | and it's as old as I am and still is not good enough to want to use | Apr 29 19:50 |
| MinceR | remember the GNU kernel is a microkernel | Apr 29 19:50 |
| MinceR | oso`perezoso: command line tools, shell, compiler, linker, assembler, debugger, text editor, way too much stuff to list | Apr 29 19:50 |
| _boo_ | oso`perezoso, compilers are not developed by 1 man | Apr 29 19:50 |
| Balrog | DaemonFC: when Linux was made, most work on Hurd stopped | Apr 29 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | their kernel layout is a monumental act of stupidity, it has dubious or no benefit over Linux | Apr 29 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | even if it worked as stated (it doesn't) | Apr 29 19:51 |
| MinceR | oso`perezoso: i don't know what exactly was written by RMS, but i've seen credits to him all over the manpages | Apr 29 19:51 |
| oso`perezoso | RMS is Stallman or Raymond? | Apr 29 19:51 |
| _boo_ | stallman | Apr 29 19:51 |
| Balrog | MinceR: RMS wrote a lot of the early code | Apr 29 19:51 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: tell that to Tanenbaum | Apr 29 19:51 |
| Balrog | others took over later | Apr 29 19:51 |
| MinceR | Balrog: i suspected so | Apr 29 19:51 |
| MinceR | i know he wrote all of emacs, at least back then | Apr 29 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | MINIX works, I don't see anyone using it | Apr 29 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | but it does have interesting ideas | Apr 29 19:52 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: microkernels are still very new | Apr 29 19:52 |
| oso`perezoso | lol@minix works | Apr 29 19:52 |
| _boo_ | minix aint got enough people working on it | Apr 29 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | no they aren't | Apr 29 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | 30 years is new? | Apr 29 19:53 |
| _boo_ | oso`perezoso, linus was writing linux kernel working in minix | Apr 29 19:53 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: ok, tell me one mature mainstream OS using a microkernel on desktop or servers | Apr 29 19:53 |
| *oso`perezoso imagines minix being a single CPU driver | Apr 29 19:53 | |
| Balrog | OS X runs a part-microkernel ... works well. | Apr 29 19:53 |
| MinceR | no, osx runs a nightmare | Apr 29 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: They inherently don't work right | Apr 29 19:53 |
| Balrog | MinceR: maybe for you | Apr 29 19:53 |
| MinceR | it's not a microkernel once you bolt half of freebsd over it in kernelspace | Apr 29 19:53 |
| MinceR | that's not how a microkernel works. | Apr 29 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | so you end up with monolithic+ some features of microkernel | Apr 29 19:53 |
| Balrog | not for the other 98% of people I meant | Apr 29 19:53 |
| Balrog | MinceR: I said part | Apr 29 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | Which is Windows, Darwin/OS X. Linux.... | Apr 29 19:53 |
| MinceR | the other 98% of people have no idea what a microkernel is | Apr 29 19:53 |
| MinceR | they eat crApple marketing bullshit | Apr 29 19:53 |
| oso`perezoso | m$$7 is based on microkernel | Apr 29 19:54 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: winnt isn't a microkernel either | Apr 29 19:54 |
| MinceR | neither is Linux | Apr 29 19:54 |
| oso`perezoso | j/k | Apr 29 19:54 |
| MinceR | modular != microkernel | Apr 29 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | Windows is a monolithic with some of the features of microkernels | Apr 29 19:54 |
| oso`perezoso | MinceR: ok, which ones are microkernel? | Apr 29 19:54 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: microkernels per definition do not include most of a gui :> | Apr 29 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | Windows has a lot of common features of Linux | Apr 29 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | loadable modules, user space driver framework | Apr 29 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | slow pool thread | Apr 29 19:54 |
| MinceR | oso`perezoso: there's Minix and QNX | Apr 29 19:55 |
| oso`perezoso | MinceR: are they free? | Apr 29 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | well, it's a component of Windows, because end users would not buy a kernel | Apr 29 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | they want something you can use | Apr 29 19:55 |
| MinceR | QNX might be mainstream in embedded, but i'm not sure | Apr 29 19:55 |
| MinceR | Minix is certainly not mainstream | Apr 29 19:55 |
| MinceR | oso`perezoso: Minix is free, QNX isn't | Apr 29 19:55 |
| oso`perezoso | LMAO@users nod buying a kernel | Apr 29 19:55 |
| MinceR | then there's L4Linux, which is practically a research project | Apr 29 19:55 |
| Balrog | and Mach 3.0 | Apr 29 19:55 |
| MinceR | Mach is too, it's used in HURD, for example | Apr 29 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | this is from the same "Linux is useless without GNU!!!!!" spammers | Apr 29 19:56 |
| MinceR | and probably in lots of places | Apr 29 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 29 19:56 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: Linux works without GNU, see android | Apr 29 19:56 |
| MinceR | but it's nothing like what we know | Apr 29 19:56 |
| MinceR | android sucks | Apr 29 19:56 |
| Balrog | MinceR: everything you don't like sucks | Apr 29 19:56 |
| _boo_ | android is google, 'nuff said | Apr 29 19:56 |
| MinceR | Balrog: that's why i don't like them, surprise surprise | Apr 29 19:56 |
| oso`perezoso | wow google stripped GPL outta all the code used in android? | Apr 29 19:57 |
| Balrog | you're looking from a subjective point of view ... the fact that *you* don't like them doesn't mean they're bad | Apr 29 19:57 |
| schestowitz | minix has just been granted millions in funding | Apr 29 19:57 |
| MinceR | not all, it's still Linux-based | Apr 29 19:57 |
| schestowitz | 3 million euro iirc | Apr 29 19:57 |
| schestowitz | Intel Releases New Driver, Kills EXA/DRI1 http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page... | Apr 29 19:58 |
| MinceR | iirc the policy is that they only allow GPL code in the kernel | Apr 29 19:58 |
| MinceR | not in their crap java userspace | Apr 29 19:58 |
| Balrog | MinceR: GPL compatible code too? | Apr 29 19:58 |
| MinceR | Balrog: my point of view is based on technological merit | Apr 29 19:58 |
| Balrog | doesn't seem that way. | Apr 29 19:58 |
| schestowitz | leave google allllllllllone :--((( | Apr 29 19:58 |
| schestowitz | leave firefox allllllllllone :--((( | Apr 29 19:58 |
| oso`perezoso | schestowitz: millions from where? do you have a link? you got links for everything | Apr 29 19:58 |
