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Gnote's Objection to Mono and Microsoft's 'Embrace' of Java

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Summary: Analysing the rationale for Gnote; Microsoft's latest 'embrace' attempt of its competitor, Java

A FEW HOURS ago we wrote about Gnote's rapidly-increasing popularity and in this new article Bruce Byfield explains that Gnote's lead developer does not like Mono for technical reasons. That too has always been a consideration.

Not that Figuiere is a Mono advocate. But his opposition over the years has been more practical than philosophical. For instance, in several discussion threads about Including Mono in GNOME on the desktop-devel-list in July 2006, Figuiere objected to shipping Mono-based apps on the grounds that the language required a lot of disk space, but was supporting only minor applications -- and he made the same objection to Python, a far less contentious programming language.

This objection, incidentally, is one that he continues to hold today. Gnote, he tells me, "has all to do with the burden of carrying runtime systems designed to make the programmer's life easier (but not the users'). Had Tomboy been written in Python, it would have gotten the same treatment."

Of course, Figuiere might have soured on Mono after being laid off at Novell in February. But, if he did, it would be strange if he continued to use what he describes as an "openSUSE 11.1 custom build with SUSE Studio with some custom packages" -- free software versions of Novell's own products.


Didn't he leave SUSE and moved to Fedora, which was the first major distribution (or first ever) to accept Gnote? It might even be put there by default in the near future.

In other news, we previously saw (in Egypt) how Microsoft had invaded a Java conference despite its infamous sabotage of Java. Now it intends to deliver a keynote at JavaOne.

Here's a first: Microsoft will be giving a keynote address at the JavaOne conference in San Francisco next month.


This article is from IDG, so it portrays its client [1, 2, 3, 4], Microsoft, as though it's a friend of Java. Microsoft would be pleased.

Microsoft would also love to harm Java. .NET is a wannabe of Java and Mono is a wannabe of .NET. Java is GPL-licensed now, so for object-oriented programming, why not embrace Java rather than its wannabe-of-wannabe (Mono), whose licence is weak as well? Not to mention Microsoft patents and virtual control over Mono's direction... ____ [1] Project of the Day: GNote [2] Tomboy is Afraid of Gnote, Its Mono-free Sibling [3] Gnote Supports 6 More Languages, Does Not Support C# [4] The Role of Mono and Moonlight Revisited [5] Did Tomboy Learn from TomTom? Project Forked, Moves Away from Microsoft 'Standards' [6] Novell Partners Promote Silverlight, Zeitgeist at Risk of Mono(polists)

"We do NOT want to ship the ’standard’ with Windows because we want to make the native APIs more attractive. We want to evolve the standard APIs rapidly, and not have ISVs [independent software vendors] spending time on something that is cross-platform. Java standard server APIs are bad news for us. I veto any cooperation with this group unless someone comes and convinces me otherwise."

--Bill Gates, Microsoft



"Don’t encourage new, cross-platform Java classes, especially don’t help get great Win 32 implementations written/deployed. [...] Do encourage fragmentation of the Java classlib space."

--Ben Slivka, Microsoft



"The core of this trial is consumer choice and the premise is that consumers ought to make that decision, not Microsoft. Microsoft’s argument that says Java would have died anyway is a little bit like saying if somebody shoots you they can defend [themselves] by saying you have cancer."

--David Boies

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