Banshee's Developer Quits Novell
- Dr. Roy Schestowitz
- 2011-02-05 18:54:05 UTC
- Modified: 2011-02-05 18:54:05 UTC
Siouxsie and the Banshees
Summary: As Novell fizzles, its employees keep leaving and the latest one to say goodbye is Aaron Bockover
Canonical might wish to reconsider its inclusion (by default) of the
Mono trap called Banshee -- an inclusion which we covered for its
dangers in:
Somebody in IRC has just told us that
Aaron Bockover is leaving Novell. He wrote: "banshee guy is leaving novell... time to break out the fizzy? ... might be good ammunition to convince ubuntu to stop shipping it" (it's up for Canonical to decide really and it's not too late as the next release is over 2 months away).
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Comments
verofakto
2011-02-05 19:15:22
Let me know if you need anything else. When should I expect your associates to start insulting me? Or do they get Saturdays off these days?
twitter
2011-02-06 01:47:02
Microsoft, Mono and Banshee boosters should not take much sollice in Bockover's move to rdio or the demise of Novell. Rdio is some kind of flash based subscription music service, a model that has been consistently rejected in the market place. Bockover's last work on Banshee was to "integrate" it with the patent bully, Amazon. If his present mission is to integrate Banshee with a subscription music service, we can all get a good laugh at non portable Zune 2.0, Plays for Sure. I'm sorry that Bockover thinks he has to do such things to make a living as Novell collapses. I'm even sorrier that he was so abused by Novell and their obvious undermining of software freedom on behalf of Microsoft, but I'm happy for everyone else that is now over. People with software talent should persue more honest occupations. There are many better ways to get buy that won't stain a person's resume like C#, Novell and Microsoft does.
Dr. Roy Schestowitz
2011-02-06 05:31:17
There is desperation from the .NET community ("verofakto" -- like Microsoft Florian-- is a .NET developer). This stalker is trying to suggest that I "actually read the source" when in fact I read the entire post from Aaron Bockover before I prepared this post and the stalker cannot find factual inaccuracies as a result.
Don't mix the FOSS community with the .NET community. They are not the same thing and the latter hates it when Mono is dismissed as an option.
twitter
2011-02-06 06:46:25
I did not see any factual inaccuracies either but thought to set the record straight by reading the blog myself and pointing out the ridiculousness of the stalker's claims. Casual readers might not want to take the time to click through. Worse, the blog owner might delete or change the entry, so it's a good idea to have independent verification of your opinion.
The stalker tried to pretend that this was not a blow to either Banshee or .NET but it is obviously a loss to both that Canonical and Gnome should take note of. Free software is resilient when there is real community interest but I don't think that exists outside of Novell/Microsoft pay.
Dr. Roy Schestowitz
2011-02-06 06:58:01
techwrongs
2011-02-07 13:37:27
Does he keep you from sleeping at night?
I am going to guess that the answer is no, no, and no. Meaning he isn't a stalker, calling him one is just another of your many lies.
Dr. Roy Schestowitz
2011-02-07 13:47:41
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_stalker
techwrongs
2011-02-07 14:14:57
"It may include false accusations, monitoring, making threats, identity theft, damage to data or equipment, the solicitation of minors for sex, or gathering information in order to harass. The definition of "harassment" must meet the criterion that a reasonable person, in possession of the same information, would regard it as sufficient to cause another reasonable person distress."
There is no evidence of any of wrong doing.
There have been no false accusations, making threats, identity theft, damaging your data or equipment, are you a minor perhaps that he has been soliciting for sex?
No, that's not it.
You may be able to claim data gathering, but then that is something you would also be guilty of, now wouldn't it?
twitter
2011-02-08 00:21:39
Readers here have put up with weeks of your foul mouthed [1, 2] and baseless attacks on Roy's character [ 1, 2, 3, 4, 5]. Your favorite activity is to call him dishonest and you repeat this claim in every appearance. Occasionally, you nit pick a little and try to twist your intentional misunderstanding into a lie on Roy's part. At other times, you claim the site is self aggrandizement and irrational ego boosting. Threats to continue this obnoxious behavior forever under a name you think is annoying. Of course there is much more where all of that came from. In all of Techwrong's ranting, no real technical or ethical issue has ever been put forth. This activity would be considered harassment by any reasonable person.
There's good reason to suspect Techwrongs, Clanky and a few other nyms are paid PR people. The first, noted above, is their strict adherence to regular working hours. The other is that the storms come and go on a regular basis. Here, for example, is a troll strom from 2008. The language and posting pattern is the same, despite the years separating that storm and this one. It's like the same people reading from the same playbook. Taken all together, Microsoft boosters have wasted lots of time and money to harass Roy over the years.
techwrongs
2011-02-08 13:26:18
I have done none of the things a stalker has, to state that I have is libelous.
"Readers here have put up with weeks of your foul mouthed [1, 2] and baseless attacks on Roy’s character [ 1, 2, 3, 4, 5]. Your favorite activity is to call him dishonest and you repeat this claim in every appearance."
I only see Roy and yourself complaining largely, this is indicative of acceptance by the larger audience. Deal with it.
" Occasionally, you nit pick a little and try to twist your intentional misunderstanding into a lie on Roy’s part. At other times, you claim the site is self aggrandizement and irrational ego boosting."
Exactly what this site is. I haven't misunderstood anything, nor have you proven that I have. You choose to attack me with fear uncertainty and doubt, I'm very sorry but you will be unable to win this argument without sharing facts.
I see that you are really upset now. I have angered the troll.
"Threats to continue this obnoxious behavior forever under a name you think is annoying. Of course there is much more where all of that came from. In all of Techwrong’s ranting, no real technical or ethical issue has ever been put forth. This activity would be considered harassment by any reasonable person."
I offered to stay until such time as the lies stop. It is very easy to make me go away, simply stop lying. I suppose though that attacking me in your mind is a much simpler answer because honesty would destroy this site and everything that you stand for.
"There’s good reason to suspect Techwrongs, Clanky and a few other nyms are paid PR people. The first, noted above, is their strict adherence to regular working hours."
Prove it. I make no money from Microsoft or Novel, it is on you to prove otherwise. This is just another of your many fabrications in your feeble attempt to discredit that which you otherwise cannot.
"The other is that the storms come and go on a regular basis. Here, for example, is a troll strom from 2008. The language and posting pattern is the same, despite the years separating that storm and this one. It’s like the same people reading from the same playbook."
I don't know who they were, but if they are like me they are here in support of free software, not because of funding from some PR firm as you would have anyone believe.
"Taken all together, Microsoft boosters have wasted lots of time and money to harass Roy over the years."
Ahh yes, slander. I for one am no friend of Microsoft but I'm sure you will continue to pretend that I am so that you can continue your unfounded non-factual attack. You see though, it just makes you look a fool so please do continue my jester.
twitter
2011-02-08 13:39:48
techwrongs
2011-02-08 13:56:08
It's funny how you are unable to defend yourself when cornered.
twitter
2011-02-08 17:41:26
I don't feel very cornered by your reasoning, but I would like for Roy to do something to keep you from disrupting the site. I get tired of dealing with it too.
techwrongs
2011-02-08 18:45:19
Yawn.
"The only new thing you have asserted is that you represent readers of the site because no one bothered to reply to most of the hundreds of nasty comments you have made here over the last month."
Hurry along and make some new accounts to use to "prove me wrong".
"That’s almost as absurd as your claiming to advocate free software."
Says someone that drools I hate open source, except open source that fits my limited criteria.
"No one but a full time stalker such as yourself has the time to deal with you and running people off is your goal."
More libel, you have no evidence of internet stalking, your speculation doesn't even carry any weight. On the other hand, implying that I am a stalker for merely uncovering truths about Roys (and your) dishonesty is technically libel.
"Everyone can see what you are doing if they bother to read, but few people bother to dig through your waste."
They certainly can. Other than yourself and Roy (with the exception of the op of the Likewise slander who pretended to defend hisself), crickets.
"This is the heart and soul of disruptive astroturfing. You pretend to be the community you wish to destroy."
I have no wish to destroy any community, yet you grasp some imaginary assertion that I do. Such deceit.
"I don’t feel very cornered by your reasoning, but I would like for Roy to do something to keep you from disrupting the site. I get tired of dealing with it too."
There really isn't much Roy can do. As he said, all IPs come from a "cache server". He could block me, but that would block everyone.
I have an alternative. Show a little honesty and integrity in reporting, and I will just magically go away.
The choice is yours, not mine. I'm not demanding anything criminal, quite the opposite really. Your continued harassment and implications that I am something or someone that I am not only damages this site further.
It is not me with the problem here, it is you, Twitter.
Adrian Malacoda
2011-02-09 22:35:31
twitter
2011-02-09 23:45:29
Adrian Malacoda
2011-02-11 04:34:01
Reddit announced that they joined forces with FSF to create a logo for their membership campaign. Immediately some anti-FSF blowhards attacked the comment thread with ludicrous anti-Stallman garbage. I have no doubt that these people honestly, truly, believe the stuff they post.
twitter
2011-02-11 13:39:07
Dr. Roy Schestowitz
2011-02-11 14:06:31
Dr. Roy Schestowitz
2011-02-11 05:30:42
Dr. Roy Schestowitz
2011-02-11 05:31:11
NotZed
2011-02-11 07:46:36
Otherwise they certainly appear to be quite disturbed and should seek professional help.
And I imagine techrights readers can spot a troll when they see one and don't want to feed it. They do such a great job of embarrassing themselves all on their own.
verofakto
2011-02-06 01:58:46
Yes, my point exactly.
By the way, did Dr. Roy ever admit you nymshifted to "your_friend" with his blessing or did that get swept under the rug to avoid embarrassment? Sorry, I lost track. And are you still shilling for BoycottNovell over at Slashdot with your 40 accounts or did they finally block all your IP addresses?
verofakto
2011-02-06 08:06:31
twitter
2011-02-06 17:49:03
Dr. Roy Schestowitz
2011-02-06 18:17:07
twitter
2011-02-06 20:52:35
Dr. Roy Schestowitz
2011-02-06 21:15:30
verofakto
2011-02-07 15:46:14
Yes, I suppose in the same way your obsession with Novell and Microsoft is positive free publicity for them.
Dr. Roy Schestowitz
2011-02-07 16:14:01
techwrongs
2011-02-07 13:35:38
I did, it was quite insightful. I would recommend it to anyone with an open mind, and half a brain.
That wouldn't be you however, twitter.
verofakto
2011-02-07 16:31:23
Oh, I'm sorry you did not understand my analogy.
twitter
2011-02-08 14:12:20
Gizmo
2011-02-12 01:00:30
Sorry but I disagre with you. It is quite usefull training for most activists out there. It is easy to discern their usual modus operandi. I would call this the equivalent internet version of ''thank you for smoking''
twitter
2011-02-13 05:45:49
Tactics listed includes moles and fake leaks to discredit progressive groups. Note that the literal meaning of Themis is "that which is put in place" and that the Titan represents a sort or proto-justice. What a clever but pretentious name for unjust plants designed to win over the consensus of the poorly informed and intimidated.
The same "security" company is working to smear Wikileaks on behalf of Bank of America. Again, moles and fake documents are considered as well as stoking internal conflicts, massive trolling and other "pressure" to scare off "moderates":
The part about a witch hunt of "risky" employees is particularly troubling. It is apparent that these companies are run by paranoid bigots who will not tolerate the slightest hint of dissent in their own ranks and seek to ruin real dissent everywere.
It is further claimed that the US DoJ recommended these firms to BoA. US government agencies should be ashamed to be used as tools in this sort of business. We've seen pacifists, death penalty opponents and others placed on various terrorist watch lists. These leaked documents show that part of the aim of the runaway US police state is to protect the financial interests and reputations of select US companies.
Dr. Roy Schestowitz
2011-02-13 05:54:03
http://madhatter.ca/2011/02/11/groklaw-and-the-wall-street-journal/
"As a long time reader of Groklaw, who got to hear all of the false accusations made against Groklaw by Darl McBride and others at SCO as they were made, it was delightful to see Groklaw being recognized as an accurate source by the Wall Street Journal."
When you make big business suffer, expect retaliation. Novell IP addresses are still daemonising me, not just in this site but in others too (I was told by the webmasters). IBM too is daemonising its detractors based on what I heard from victims. It's their modus operandi.
twitter
2011-02-13 06:34:49
Dr. Roy Schestowitz
2011-02-13 07:12:25
twitter
2011-02-13 15:15:40
Through all of this, we see how the rich and powerful do their dirty work through proxies. The levels of indirection used by BoA and other large firms make the story difficult to track for average readers and makes meaningless denials easy even when people dig up the emails. I look forward to more confirmation of this story.
Dr. Roy Schestowitz
2011-02-13 15:41:15
twitter
2011-02-13 16:05:37
Dr. Roy Schestowitz
2011-02-13 16:15:59
I strongly encourage people to watch the following video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Fab1IsCZzY
Remember who owns the media companies and who funds the vast majority of politicians.
twitter
2011-02-13 15:42:04
The point I've been making here is that the kind of "pressure" put on Techrights is often paid for. This is not the first time big companies have been caught doing this kind of thing but the evidence is more detailed and we are starting to see just how petty and thorough the rich and powerful really are in their attacks on perceived threats.
We should neither expect or tolerate that kind of behavior. It is immoral, illegal and completely self defeating. Most of these companies are government protected brands that depend on public good will. Astroturfing will blow back on them spectacularly. Who's going to trust their money to a bank that wastes it paying thugs to harass their neighbors? Microsoft and Novell's brands are broken in every way but they can always make things worse with more of the same old TE. These companies are imploding. In the mean time, we should all demand enforcement of standing laws against astroturfing and harassment.
Dr. Roy Schestowitz
2011-02-13 16:03:43
From Groklaw:
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/02/11/campaigns/ http://content.usatoday.com/communities/technologylive/post/2011/02/bofa-denies-connection-to-proactive-tactics-to-silence-wikileaks/1 http://www.salon.com/about/inside_salon/2011/02/11/threats_against_glenn_greenwald_wikileaks/index.html http://content.usatoday.com/communities/technologylive/post/2011/02/us-chamber-joins-bofa-in-denying-ties-to-disinformation-campaigns/1
Let's keep on eye on this...
twitter
2011-02-13 16:29:02
The link between the Microsoft friendly US DoJ was what caught my eye. When BoA wanted to discredit a community, the DoJ knew who to call. As Salon put it
I'm interested to see this lit fuse burn it's way back to Preston Gates and Microsoft. We have Microsoft's TE training documents and the company has been caught it numerous astrorturfing scandals. I'm hoping lawsuits and investigations dig up links between that and much of the ugliness of the web that people take for granted - smear campaigns, persistant harassment, foul mouthed thread hijacking and all the rest of that kind of trolling. It is obvious to me that Microsoft pays people to disrupt "enemy" forums such as Slashdot. I'd like to see confirmation of the nastier work and for the company to be forced to pay restitution.
A reasonable award for someone like PJ would be some multiple of Microsoft's spending against her. This would send a message to companies, that if they are caught they will have to pay many times what they expected. PJ deserves the money.
Dr. Roy Schestowitz
2011-02-13 16:55:34