IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: April 30th, 2009 – Part 2

Posted in IRC Logs at 3:58 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz


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schestowitz Just like ti deceived many about sub-notebooks Apr 30 11:49
schestowitz To scare OEMs Apr 30 11:49
schestowitz Canonical responded Apr 30 11:49
DaemonFC Microsoft thrives by hiding how much money you are paying them into the cost of the equipment you buy Apr 30 11:49
schestowitz It’s the old “get the facts” routine Apr 30 11:49
schestowitz Lie, lie, and lie Apr 30 11:49
oiaohm Microsoft cost is also off set with crap ware. Apr 30 11:50
DaemonFC no, that would be OEM crapware Apr 30 11:50
DaemonFC Microsoft isn’t real thrilled about that Apr 30 11:50
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DaemonFC I can’t blame them Apr 30 11:50
oiaohm OEM only do it because windows costs too much. Apr 30 11:50
DaemonFC Whatever Vista doesn’t screw up, you have a dancing circus of shit from your OEM that makes Windows look even worse than it is Apr 30 11:51
DaemonFC Norton anyone? Apr 30 11:51
oiaohm Also MS allows OEM to supply the crap ware embeded in the installer disk. Apr 30 11:51
oiaohm So when you reinstall you get it all back. Apr 30 11:51
DaemonFC no, they can’t stop them Apr 30 11:51
oiaohm Yes they can. Apr 30 11:51
DaemonFC if they did there’s be some kind of a lawsuit Apr 30 11:52
oiaohm They can legally require installer disk to be provided as is. Apr 30 11:52
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DaemonFC “Microsoft is blocking our bullshit from pre-infecting Windows, boohoo!!!!” Apr 30 11:52
DaemonFC :) Apr 30 11:52
oiaohm So then they would have to provide 2 disks not 1. Apr 30 11:52
oiaohm Ie 1 infected with crap one not. Apr 30 11:52
MinceR they’re thinking about fixing a sechole that’s been around for 14 years already? :> Apr 30 11:53
DaemonFC or one with the trialware installers Apr 30 11:53
DaemonFC and let the user decide Apr 30 11:53
MinceR (autorun) Apr 30 11:53
oiaohm Exactly. Apr 30 11:53
DaemonFC which removes their reason for doing it Apr 30 11:53
schestowitz A GUI for ffmpeg < http://www.linuxjournal.com/vide… > Cool Apr 30 11:53
oiaohm If MS was truly upset by it they could do something. Apr 30 11:53
oiaohm By doing nothing they support it. Apr 30 11:54
DaemonFC Dell actually makes you pay them MORE MONEY to request a clean copy of Windows without all their crap Apr 30 11:54
DaemonFC an extra $50 I believe? Apr 30 11:54
oiaohm Yep Apr 30 11:54
DaemonFC Isn’t that just a load of shit? Apr 30 11:54
oiaohm Because the crap pays the 50 dollars Apr 30 11:54
oiaohm To be installed. Apr 30 11:54
oiaohm With deals I could be doing the same thing. Apr 30 11:55
oiaohm I just choose not to abuse my customers that way. Apr 30 11:55
DaemonFC I really wonder why Dell started that IdeaStorm website Apr 30 11:55
oiaohm You are aware that 25 dollors of that 50 dollars is to install trial versions of MS office. Apr 30 11:55
oiaohm This is where the complete idea that MS does not support it is crap. Apr 30 11:56
DaemonFC Why the hell would you want MS Office? Apr 30 11:56
DaemonFC the latest versions of Go-OO are fairly compatible Apr 30 11:56
oiaohm OEM installing computers it 25 dollars I can cut off my price. Apr 30 11:57
oiaohm In theory on netbooks you could be geting paid for windows. Apr 30 11:58
DaemonFC I just don’t get why anyone would pay to activate that shit Apr 30 11:59
schestowitz The red hat RPMs work with Mandriva Apr 30 11:59
DaemonFC if nobody did, then the stuff would just go away Apr 30 11:59
DaemonFC schestowitz: If they don’t have external dependencies they will, yeah Apr 30 12:00
schestowitz But I’m already good with the CLI Apr 30 12:02
schestowitz So the GUI is pointless Apr 30 12:02
schestowitz GUIs are good only if you use them before you get used to the CLI Apr 30 12:02
schestowitz Linux poses a serious threat to its rivals on non-x86 platforms… http://www.linux-netbook.com/video/google… http://www.electronicsweekly.com/blogs… Apr 30 12:04
benkai Is anybody having a copy of the Video where Ballmer said: People use Red Hat, at least with respect to our intellectual property in a sense have an obligation to eventually to compensate us” ( http://www.betanews.com/article/Mic…  ) Apr 30 12:05
schestowitz http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/… 10 reasons you’ll want to install GNU/Linux (latest version) Apr 30 12:05
schestowitz benkai: yes Apr 30 12:05
schestowitz One of us clipped it Apr 30 12:05
schestowitz http://www.youtube.com/watch?… Apr 30 12:05
benkai schestowitz: Kudos, that was quick, I searched for it for quite some time!! Apr 30 12:07
benkai Thanks for being there, I knew the quote but for preparing work on a anti-patent PR, I was asked for the source, so thanks! Apr 30 12:10
schestowitz I can’t download youtube vids Apr 30 12:15
schestowitz They seem to have broken something Apr 30 12:15
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schestowitz My two cents on improving GNOME < http://manishtech.wordpress.com/200… > Apr 30 12:24
schestowitz http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news… “A FRENCH computer technician was handed a suspended 1,000 euro fine for “insulting a public official” after he sent an email attack on Justice Minister Rachida Dati.” Apr 30 12:30
schestowitz Insulting French politicians is a crime now… http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-technolog… Apr 30 12:31
MinceR it tends to be a crime to insult local dictators Apr 30 12:32
schestowitz Charlie’s baaaack!  XP Mode in Windows 7 is a scam  < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/new… > Apr 30 12:34
schestowitz *sigh* More corruption… Motorola ex-CFO denies destroying evidence < http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-t… > Apr 30 12:38
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oiaohm Depends how he insulted him. Apr 30 12:45
oiaohm Being a IT officer it can be creative. Apr 30 12:45
MinceR funny, the inq article has a separate “Flame the author” button Apr 30 12:48
schestowitz New video. http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/30… Did YouTube change download workarounds? Apr 30 12:49
schestowitz MinceR: they could make it a flash animation Apr 30 12:50
schestowitz Interactive grill with the authors’ mug attached to it Apr 30 12:50
oiaohm Some work some don’t schestowitz Apr 30 12:50
schestowitz Why? Apr 30 12:50
oiaohm Something to do with encoding of video. Apr 30 12:50
schestowitz That’s what I see too Apr 30 12:50
MinceR i prefer not to have a flash animation there :> Apr 30 12:51
schestowitz To hell with them Apr 30 12:51
schestowitz Use to work OK Apr 30 12:51
schestowitz *used Apr 30 12:51
oiaohm From there start there was always that smaller percent that did not work. Apr 30 12:51
oiaohm I have never worked out why. Apr 30 12:51
schestowitz http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/… “Manchester University has been censured by the Information Commissioner’s Office for publishing personal information about students.” Just reason to have less databases out there. Apr 30 12:54
schestowitz As staff I had access to records of all staff and students. Apr 30 12:54
schestowitz An even better Linux-based O/S may be coming from Palm: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/… Apr 30 12:55
MinceR they don’t say how it’s going to be better Apr 30 12:56
MinceR will it be called Póst? :> Apr 30 12:56
schestowitz Linux Phones from Acer? http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2… Apr 30 12:56
schestowitz MinceR: just Pós. Apr 30 12:57
MinceR :D Apr 30 12:57
oiaohm Palm will be using a Linux kernel with there own custom interface on top. Apr 30 12:59
oiaohm Prototypes already exist schestowitz Apr 30 12:59
schestowitz “DeviceGuru recently reported on a reader’s discovery that his “Energy Star compliant” Sony HDTV was consuming 200 times its advertised standby power.” http://www.deviceguru.com/epa-moves… Apr 30 13:05
schestowitz oiaohm: yes, Palm is not ideal Apr 30 13:05
schestowitz Just Linux+’stuff’ Apr 30 13:05
oiaohm Its still a extra developer for the Linux kernel. Apr 30 13:06
schestowitz Will they write drivers and patches for Linux? Apr 30 13:06
schestowitz More important,t will desktop Linux be supported? Apr 30 13:06
schestowitz If not, they’ll be slammed Apr 30 13:06
schestowitz Like TomTom Apr 30 13:06
schestowitz gnote (Mono killer) is out: http://www.figuiere.net/hub/blog/?2… Apr 30 13:08
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iwmw does it look like a hedgehog? *:> ? Apr 30 13:09
oiaohm http://ostatic.com/blog/miros-creative-f…  Ok this is warped fund rasing. Apr 30 13:11
schestowitz “As much as I want to support the developers for their hard work, I will NOT support a company that willingly damages their honest customer’s systems.” http://www.zdnet.co.uk/talkback/0,10… Apr 30 13:15
oiaohm Using illegal software does not mean you will not get worse than the copyprotection.  Ie a worm. Apr 30 13:21
oiaohm I have nothing against turning backs on companies that put DRM on there media. Apr 30 13:22
oiaohm Going accross to the wrong side is not a solution. Apr 30 13:22
oiaohm Ok schestowitz that video you cannot download I can. Apr 30 13:25
schestowitz http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/tec… will I get fined for cursing Sarko? Apr 30 13:26
schestowitz oiaohm: how do you do it? Apr 30 13:26
schestowitz Iried two routes Apr 30 13:26
schestowitz *tired Apr 30 13:27
schestowitz *tried Apr 30 13:27
oiaohm Downloader helper in firefox Apr 30 13:28
schestowitz This one if even worse than wikia and Cuil (remember? “Google Killer?”) http://news.bbc.co.uk/1… Apr 30 13:29
oiaohm I can even download low def and high def schestowitz Apr 30 13:30
schestowitz I’m installing it Apr 30 13:31
oiaohm There are ones downloader helper cannot get. Apr 30 13:32
oiaohm There is no perfect youtube extractor. Apr 30 13:33
oiaohm Also you need to close the tab from where you start the video from to download it. Apr 30 13:33
schestowitz I think I got it Apr 30 13:40
oiaohm It should have had the correct name on it. Apr 30 13:46
schestowitz I’m gonna be out for a while. Apr 30 13:50
iwmw you can always take it from cache Apr 30 14:05
iwmw unless it was only stored in memory :) Apr 30 14:06
iwmw the cache should be big enough to keep that file Apr 30 14:06
oiaohm Web server cache like squid yes. Apr 30 14:10
oiaohm Flash can be set to not cache or encrypt stream then you are kinda stuffed. Apr 30 14:11
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twitter thanks for the Inquirer story about Vista 7 “XP mode”, that was a proper analysis of a scam and the people perpetuating it. Apr 30 14:35
trmanco http://blogs.itworldcanada.com/ido… Apr 30 14:43
trmanco wtf Apr 30 14:43
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trmanco gnote 0.3.0 is out Apr 30 15:44
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trmanco http://mail.gnome.org/archives/ft… Apr 30 15:44
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the11thplague Hum, nice chat ! Apr 30 15:48
MinceR http://www.theregister.co.uk/2… Apr 30 15:49
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trmanco http://www.figuiere.net/hub/blog… Apr 30 15:57
trmanco so people having that type of flu don’t have the right to live anymore? geesh Apr 30 16:01
MinceR people never had that right Apr 30 16:03
MinceR they were graciously allowed to live by the usian government! Apr 30 16:03
trmanco hmm Apr 30 16:05
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schestowitz trmanco: yes, I found out about gnote this morning Apr 30 16:33
trmanco I’m spreing the release on my blog Apr 30 16:33
trmanco spreading* Apr 30 16:33
schestowitz twitter saw the article about Paul de Shilla and the other Vista7 boosters Apr 30 16:33
schestowitz trmanco: cool! Apr 30 16:33
trmanco I just can’t find a proper logo/image :| Apr 30 16:33
schestowitz I was going to post in COLA also, unless you do. Apr 30 16:33
schestowitz trmanco: IDG spread loads of FUD Apr 30 16:34
schestowitz More than before Apr 30 16:34
trmanco schestowitz, already did :-P Apr 30 16:34
schestowitz I threr their feed earlier this month. They annoy me too much Apr 30 16:34
schestowitz *threw Apr 30 16:34
schestowitz trmanco: good, that takes it off me[sic] back Apr 30 16:34
schestowitz MinceR: “usian army” Apr 30 16:35
trmanco but post it again :-P, no problem repeating announcements of good software, btw I might be killfiled by some, so if you post it will probably reach a bigger audience Apr 30 16:35
schestowitz “Eurasian army” http://www.youtube.com/watch?… Apr 30 16:35
schestowitz trmanco: the trolls have no killfiles Apr 30 16:35
schestowitz They are there to cause riots Apr 30 16:36
trmanco I mean advocates Apr 30 16:36
schestowitz Advocate don’t kf advocates Apr 30 16:36
trmanco some of them might killfile the hole newserver Apr 30 16:36
schestowitz AAAH! Apr 30 16:36
trmanco :-P Apr 30 16:36
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schestowitz cogeca and mozarella Apr 30 16:36
schestowitz I thought about kfing Google groups Apr 30 16:37
trmanco http://media.ubuntuusers.de/porta… Apr 30 16:37
trmanco found this Apr 30 16:37
schestowitz but nessuno and others post from ther Apr 30 16:37
schestowitz Terra also Apr 30 16:37
schestowitz I get Google News highlighted in blue Apr 30 16:37
schestowitz The Gary Shill posts fake testimonies from there. Apr 30 16:37
schestowitz hub can hopefully improve it beyong tomboy once it’s mimicked fully Apr 30 16:38
schestowitz Leaving mono i the dust Apr 30 16:38
schestowitz *in Apr 30 16:38
trmanco there is till a lot of stuff to do Apr 30 16:40
schestowitz brb Apr 30 16:41
trmanco can’t find an official logo, I’m going to use tomboys Apr 30 16:41
trmanco it comes with tomboys icons anyway, so I think there is no problem with this Apr 30 16:41
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schestowitz Hi, anivar Apr 30 16:51
anivar hi schestowitz Apr 30 16:52
anivar having a fight with Launchpad guys Apr 30 16:52
schestowitz OT: I quite like this explanation of how the public transportation in The States was retarted by companies that sell car and how people are made selfish and isolated so as to make them weak. http://www.youtube.com/watch… Apr 30 16:52
schestowitz anivar: over Mononucleosis? Apr 30 16:53
anivar No Licensing Translations under BSD Apr 30 16:53
schestowitz Heh. http://www.blogicalthoughts.com… Apr 30 16:54
anivar For Contributing to Non Free Rosetta we have to agree our Translations are under BSD Apr 30 16:54
schestowitz anivar: I see……. Apr 30 16:54
anivar https://help.launchpad.net/Tran… Apr 30 16:54
schestowitz What’s their response? Apr 30 16:54
schestowitz Oh, you beat me to it Apr 30 16:54
anivar They took Translations from Upstream and  user contributions on Rosetta licenses under BSD Apr 30 16:55
anivar No Response So far. we are actually on a chicken egg problem Apr 30 16:55
trmanco just published the gnote post Apr 30 16:56
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anivar Because of lack of quality control in Rosetta, a lot of spoilers are there. we work on upstream but that will be spoiled in ubutu. If we want to fix it we need to go to rosetta and relicense our translations under BSD Apr 30 16:56
schestowitz The More Things Change… The More They Stay The Same, Music Piracy Edition < http://www.techdirt.com/arti… > Apr 30 16:57
schestowitz MAFIAAism Apr 30 16:57
schestowitz Worse than Apple even Apr 30 16:57
trmanco anivar, you translate for gnome projects? Apr 30 16:57
anivar trmanco:  Yes we have a group for Malayalam (ml) Language. Called as Swathanthra Malayalam Computing. Apr 30 16:58
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anivar It is a Big a group with 100+ Translators and  Developers Apr 30 16:58
schestowitz Threat Level Privacy, Crime and Security Online < http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009… > Real transparency, oh yeah… Apr 30 16:59
the_mad_hatter Roy, there’s an article in the Financial Times about the French Nuclear Energy operator EDF spying on Greenpeace, through use of a Trojan. If they have have been running anything other than Windows, the Trojan wouldn’t have worked. Apr 30 16:59
the_mad_hatter http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/bc45ab84-2… Apr 30 16:59
trmanco anivar, how can I start translating for gnome projects? I’ve looked into it, but it’s kind of intimidating to join a translation team in gnome… and I’m also not sure what to do to start translating something Apr 30 16:59
trmanco can you give me some tips? Apr 30 16:59
schestowitz the_mad_hatter: is this the protest they sabotaged Apr 30 16:59
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schestowitz Where the British police coopreated with multinational vs democratic forces? Apr 30 17:00
anivar trmanco: which language Apr 30 17:00
trmanco pt_PT Apr 30 17:00
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anivar Do you have a translation team already? Apr 30 17:01
trmanco yeah, I think so, it’s just (pt) -> http://l10n.gnome.org/teams/pt Apr 30 17:02
anivar trmanco:  Contact with your Translation Coordinator and submit your po files Apr 30 17:03
anivar translated po files Apr 30 17:03
anivar Or do you have technical doubts in Translation/ Apr 30 17:03
anivar ? Apr 30 17:03
trmanco so I have to translate something before I can enter a team, right? Apr 30 17:03
anivar yes Apr 30 17:04
anivar Install poedit Apr 30 17:04
anivar Set your Translation name Apr 30 17:04
trmanco ah, I knew I was missing something Apr 30 17:04
anivar and download a POT file from current trunk and rename it as .pt.po and Translate it with POedit Apr 30 17:05
anivar And sent it to your language Coordinator or Translation mailing list Apr 30 17:06
trmanco anivar, thanks Apr 30 17:06
trmanco you just solved my problem Apr 30 17:06
anivar If he lags in submitting it on time you can discuss it in Gnome-l10n list and ask for an svn access . The Team seems to be pretty active Apr 30 17:07
trmanco I’m already subed to that list Apr 30 17:08
anivar trmanco:  May be you can start from translating gnote  http://l10n.gnome.org/modu… Apr 30 17:08
trmanco yeah Apr 30 17:08
trmanco that’s why I wanted to be a gnome translator in the first place Apr 30 17:08
trmanco it already has been translated though Apr 30 17:08
anivar translate user guide if u have time Apr 30 17:09
schestowitz http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/… FUD from the cartel. “Government given five-year TV and film piracy warning” More enforcement, LESS viewers Apr 30 17:09
schestowitz Billion-Dollar Baby: We Drive the Chevrolet Volt  < http://www.wired.com/autopia/2009/04/bil… > They should let GM go bankrupt. It failed. It capitalism, it should be dissolved and let successful companies replace it Apr 30 17:12
trmanco anivar, I’ll try Apr 30 17:12
trmanco I have to translate it all before I submit it right? Apr 30 17:13
anivar No . You can submit partially translated ones too. Join in ur language  Translation list and mention that u r translationg to avoid duplication Apr 30 17:15
schestowitz They should also do lang-modes Apr 30 17:16
schestowitz Like ghetto-mode Apr 30 17:16
schestowitz Where the help menu is called “Word! Apr 30 17:16
schestowitz Apr 30 17:16
schestowitz Or humour-mode Apr 30 17:16
schestowitz Opera/Google has that Apr 30 17:17
schestowitz Bork bork bork.. Apr 30 17:17
trmanco anivar, ok Apr 30 17:18
trmanco I’ll do that in a bit Apr 30 17:18
schestowitz elive people have a new blog:http://www.elivecd.org/Main/News/… Apr 30 17:24
schestowitz Am I totally wrong is is LikeWise former Softies who advance MS ‘standards’ and tax in *NIX? http://ostatic.com/blog/likewise-secur… Apr 30 17:28
schestowitz Darren Waters. who promotes Microsoft a lot, is using MSBBC to advertise Microsoft http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss… Apr 30 17:32
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schestowitz MinceR and other people would love this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/te… Should the US military become a Net aggressor? Apr 30 17:36
trmanco anivar, thanks for the tips, btw Apr 30 17:41
schestowitz OT: Jackass 2-Best moments < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v… > Apr 30 17:43
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schestowitz non-Free software starts squeezing harder for some cash. http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-… Apr 30 18:22
Balrog Intel Faces $1.3B Fine In Europe Apr 30 18:36
Balrog <http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=… Apr 30 18:36
schestowitz Only 1.3? Apr 30 18:37
schestowitz Embargo the criminals Apr 30 18:37
Balrog you think it should be higher? Apr 30 18:38
schestowitz A LOT Apr 30 18:39
schestowitz You can’t find a criminal that got rich by crime Apr 30 18:39
schestowitz He’d need do to TIME Apr 30 18:39
schestowitz I realise that Apple does Intel only, so… Apr 30 18:39
Balrog they do ARM Apr 30 18:39
Balrog in their mobile devices (iPod/iPhone) Apr 30 18:39
schestowitz obviously Apr 30 18:39
Balrog and they did drop Intel chipsets for nvidia ones (though I don’t know if nvidia is any better) Apr 30 18:40
schestowitz “Some legal experts speculate that Intel’s fine could reach about a billion euros, or $1.3 billion. Intel’s annual sales were $37.6 billion in 2008.” Apr 30 18:42
schestowitz Insult to justice Apr 30 18:42
Balrog I see. :/ Apr 30 18:42
Balrog what’s their market cap? Apr 30 18:42
schestowitz cant recall Apr 30 18:48
schestowitz dp yahoo finance intc Apr 30 18:48
schestowitz i’m eating Apr 30 18:48
schestowitz PJ: “That’s just crazy talk. Lots of westerners will buy one the very first day they are available, and then they’ll return them saying Linux is not as good as Windows, not realizing it’s not Linux that is to blame — it’s the quality, or lack thereof, of the product.” Apr 30 18:58
schestowitz ” And I can imagine that Microsoft might then issue a statement that people don’t want Linux on netbooks and Microsoft has captured 200% of the netbook market. Sigh. Now do you understand why Apple likes to protect its brand by limiting what hardware you can put OSX on?” Apr 30 18:58
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schestowitz The Disney propaganda is taking over part of other media outlets: http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/04/… Apr 30 19:16
schestowitz http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/… (Plan to monitor all internet use) We turn to some kind of fascistic state unless this plan is already crossed out Apr 30 19:17
trmanco Can Google Android Save Motorola?: http://www.crn.com/mobile/217200972 Apr 30 19:21
trmanco schestowitz, have you updated your system? :-P Apr 30 19:24
schestowitz Why? Apr 30 19:24
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schestowitz Mandriva? Apr 30 19:25
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trmanco yes Apr 30 19:28
trmanco Microsoft gives users Windows 7 free for 13 months: http://www.computerworld.com/action/articl… Apr 30 19:29
trmanco “When asked why the company is giving users such a long free pass for the software, a spokeswoman declined to comment.” Apr 30 19:29
trmanco Rush for Windows 7 RC crashes MSDN, TechNet pages: http://www.itworld.com/windows/67267… Apr 30 19:32
schestowitz wizpy has appeared in COLA Apr 30 19:36
schestowitz They fake demand for Vista7 Apr 30 19:37
schestowitz “Leaks” and server load Apr 30 19:37
trmanco hmm, I haven’t seen her around there yet Apr 30 19:38
schestowitz Motorola ditches WIndows pretty much Apr 30 19:38
schestowitz They are trouble for other reasons Apr 30 19:38
schestowitz Oversized for their poor performance Apr 30 19:38
schestowitz I reckoned you invited her or something. Apr 30 19:38
schestowitz Took me by surprise Apr 30 19:38
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Balrog of course there’s demand for Win7, to see how it sucks ;) Apr 30 19:50
schestowitz Where on earth is the European Commission on the OOXML crimes? Apr 30 19:51
schestowitz I wonder… Apr 30 19:51
schestowitz So ti’s true they don’t regulate Apr 30 19:51
schestowitz I’m pissed off with fat cats and far regulators who don’t care about rules Apr 30 19:51
trmanco schestowitz, yeah, just saw one of her posts for the first time :-O Apr 30 19:56
trmanco :-P* Apr 30 19:56
schestowitz I’ll make some posts Apr 30 19:57
schestowitz It’s funny that one can post calmnly Apr 30 19:57
schestowitz With the facts, others can get furious Apr 30 19:57
schestowitz Let em Apr 30 19:57
schestowitz Microsoft is committing many crimes that Find today Apr 30 19:57
schestowitz Maybe I’ll summarise them tomorrow Apr 30 19:58
schestowitz Microsoft should be sent into space in a rocket Apr 30 19:58
schestowitz In many way it’s like MAFIAA and Bush Apr 30 19:58
schestowitz Violent, aggressive, merciless offenders. Apr 30 19:58
schestowitz Born with a silver spoon in their months Apr 30 19:58
trmanco hehe Apr 30 19:59
schestowitz Almost literally Apr 30 19:59
schestowitz But anyway, the world is FULL of crime Apr 30 20:00
schestowitz Documenting it is fun and valuable Apr 30 20:00
schestowitz It’s what newspaper are too afraid to do Apr 30 20:00
schestowitz They must contact the accused and give the spin Apr 30 20:00
schestowitz In many cases, the spin forces the story down due to accusation of libel threats and crooked editors. Apr 30 20:01
schestowitz Blogs are to many like people owning their mills that they worked in, as oppose to wage slavery of a press that’s run by the business community for its benefit Apr 30 20:01
_boo_ http://www.oldandsold.com/books/s… Apr 30 20:10
Balrog schestowitz: How to respond to this? Apr 30 20:11
Balrog (hold on) Apr 30 20:12
Balrog “With regard to my vote on the issue of CMS…. I never use prebuilt CMS systems such as Joomla, Drupal etc. Yes, for small sites they are handy…. and expedient way of getting a website live. However, there are issues with such systems that cannot and should certainly not be ignored. As commonly-used “open-source” systems, they are inherently open to exploits and disruption from those would have WAAAAY too much time to find them. Whilst they Apr 30 20:13
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Balrog I don’t get it how people feel that open source means less secure Apr 30 20:17
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schestowitz Balrog: where is this FUD from? Apr 30 20:18
schestowitz CMSs that are GPL-licensed often outpace the development of non-Free ones Apr 30 20:18
Balrog this isn’t anythign public, but rather a post on a group I’m a member of Apr 30 20:19
schestowitz Large sites ditch the proprietary ones whose development is abandoned Apr 30 20:19
schestowitz THey move to FOSS, which commoditised this whole market Apr 30 20:19
schestowitz Balrog: tell him that WoMD too are ” WAAAAY too much time to find them.” Apr 30 20:19
Balrog WoMD? Apr 30 20:19
schestowitz People should not believe anything people Twit Apr 30 20:20
schestowitz Balrog: example for myths Apr 30 20:20
schestowitz or FUD Apr 30 20:20
schestowitz Weapons of Mass Desruction Apr 30 20:20
schestowitz “I heard this, I heard that” Apr 30 20:20
schestowitz Microsoft et al circulate lots of stuff about Moodle, Apache, Linux, etc. Apr 30 20:20
schestowitz _boo_: is there a one-paragraph version :0) Apr 30 20:21
Balrog what was that site that just moved to wordpress? Apr 30 20:22
Balrog itwire? Apr 30 20:22
Balrog (the one where that ‘Windows is just not engineered for security’ was) Apr 30 20:22
schestowitz InfoWorld Apr 30 20:25
schestowitz It’s just one example Apr 30 20:25
Balrog any more? Apr 30 20:25
schestowitz WordPress powers millions of sites Apr 30 20:25
schestowitz Including some of the world’s very top Apr 30 20:25
Balrog what about drupal Apr 30 20:25
Balrog ? Apr 30 20:25
schestowitz Balrog: go to WordPress’ Web site Apr 30 20:25
schestowitz They have lists Apr 30 20:25
schestowitz Drupal too Apr 30 20:25
schestowitz EFF for example, but also some more massive ones Apr 30 20:25
schestowitz http://buytaert.net/ Apr 30 20:26
schestowitz Dries has been keeping track of some new adopters Apr 30 20:26
schestowitz “Google to invest 90,000 USD in Drupal” I didn’t notice that.. Apr 30 20:27
schestowitz Google i like a husband who brings flower and then cheats with the next-door neighbour Apr 30 20:28
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DaemonFC Vista SP2 Final is out Apr 30 20:32
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DaemonFC heh, I’m just going to torrent Vista SP2 and run MD5 sum to match it to Microsoft’s hash Apr 30 20:56
schestowitz *yawn* (@vista) Apr 30 20:56
schestowitz WHy do you keep track of that stuff? Apr 30 20:56
DaemonFC *shrugs* Apr 30 20:59
neonfloss how where your days? Apr 30 21:06
neonfloss were* Apr 30 21:06
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DaemonFC http://news.softpedia.com/n… Apr 30 21:26
neonfloss I got a netbook practically for free… Apr 30 21:31
neonfloss what should I run on it? Apr 30 21:31
Balrog neonfloss: what kind? Apr 30 21:32
neonfloss asus Apr 30 21:32
neonfloss eee pc Apr 30 21:32
neonfloss it came with a custom linux one… or I could use ubuntu netbok remix… or normal ubuntu…. Apr 30 21:33
neonfloss or something else… Apr 30 21:33
Balrog yeah ubuntu netbook remix would work well Apr 30 21:37
Balrog just remove mono after you install is Apr 30 21:37
Balrog it * Apr 30 21:37
Balrog ‘apt-get remove –purge libmono0 mono-common’ Apr 30 21:37
Balrog and if you want, install mononono Apr 30 21:37
Balrog Mono is a waste of RAM / disk space on netbooks Apr 30 21:38
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trmanco http://digg.com/d1q0Pz twitter is getting famous :-P Apr 30 21:46
trmanco the real person Apr 30 21:46
schestowitz Good. It deserves attention Apr 30 21:48
schestowitz Microsoft starts playing dirty aagain Apr 30 21:48
schestowitz Good. Apr 30 21:48
schestowitz 1) it’s nervous Apr 30 21:48
schestowitz 2) it’ll get caught Apr 30 21:49
schestowitz 3) reputation for Microsoft down the drain and more antitrust complaints Apr 30 21:49
trmanco http://gizmodo.com/5150284/… Apr 30 21:50
schestowitz This one looks like an advert in disguise: http://www.youtube.com/watc… Apr 30 21:51
schestowitz trmanco: is it not from February? Apr 30 21:51
trmanco oops Apr 30 21:52
trmanco somebody dugg this Apr 30 21:52
trmanco and sent me a shout Apr 30 21:52
trmanco I rarely look at dates Apr 30 21:52
schestowitz Before the fraud was realised: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymOJT… :-S Apr 30 21:55
schestowitz trmanco: I saw the log in another site some days ago Apr 30 21:55
schestowitz It’s being used indeed Apr 30 21:55
trmanco what is? Apr 30 21:56
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schestowitz YouTube search seems to be broken Apr 30 22:00
trmanco schestowitz, you forgot to remove some [rival] tags from you posts :-P Apr 30 22:07
trmanco oops -> [News] [Rival] Free/Open Source Success Stories in Business Apr 30 22:07
Balrog “Forensics Tools Finds Headerless Encrypted Files” – Apr 30 22:08
Balrog http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/… Apr 30 22:08
Balrog unfortunately (for them), it picks up /dev/urandom generated files as encrypted headerless Apr 30 22:09
schestowitz trmanco: yes, I messed up and carried on without noticing Apr 30 22:11
schestowitz It’s so hard to use YouTuber without search Apr 30 22:11
schestowitz *Tube Apr 30 22:11
trmanco wow Apr 30 22:12
trmanco it really is b0rk3d Apr 30 22:12
trmanco never seen this happen Apr 30 22:12
DaemonFC http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/… Apr 30 22:16
DaemonFC Will Oracle kill MySQL? Who cares? Apr 30 22:16
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schestowitz I can’t get to anything useful :-(  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v… ( Environmental Health : How to Cut Household Water Usage ) Apr 30 22:19
schestowitz Boring… YouTUbe search is broken Apr 30 22:19
schestowitz Oracle doesn’t own mysql Apr 30 22:20
schestowitz It owns the trademark Apr 30 22:20
schestowitz Maybe copyrights, but it can still be copied over Apr 30 22:20
schestowitz Maybe GPLv3 this time Apr 30 22:20
schestowitz Better yet, AGPLv3 Apr 30 22:20
DaemonFC http://www.kuro5hin.org/sto… Apr 30 22:21
schestowitz Maybe it’s YouTUbe maintenance..  http://www.youtube.com/watch… Apr 30 22:25
schestowitz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=… Gordon’s EU Nightmare Apr 30 22:36
schestowitz ritish politics at its best http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmHt… Apr 30 22:37
schestowitz *LOL* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngPnzH… Apr 30 22:39
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schestowitz Microsoft netbook kickbacks: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/… Apr 30 23:29
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*DaemonFC hates standalone Service Pack installers Apr 30 23:53
schestowitz Activists have their computers intruded by predatory multinationals: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/… Apr 30 23:53
DaemonFC for some reason Microsoft decided to delay the release of SP2 for a couple months Apr 30 23:53
DaemonFC even though it’s finished Apr 30 23:53
DaemonFC due to stupidity on the part of Apple and a couple Antivirus companies Apr 30 23:54
schestowitz DaemonFC: see the latest posts on Vista 7: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/… The fiasco is only just brewing. Apr 30 23:54
*schestowitz never installed a Service Pack, EVER Apr 30 23:54
DaemonFC schestowitz: I posted on Mandriva 2009.1 Apr 30 23:54
schestowitz URL? Apr 30 23:55
MinceR gn Apr 30 23:55
schestowitz nn Apr 30 23:55
DaemonFC comparing a few features of Vista and OS X (if you can believe it) that Mandriva has finally done right Apr 30 23:55
schestowitz I’ll do a couple more posts Apr 30 23:55
schestowitz It’s fun Apr 30 23:55
DaemonFC where other distros have gone horribly wrong Apr 30 23:55
schestowitz MS gives lots of dirt for others to use against it Apr 30 23:55
schestowitz Mandriva is what I use like 95% of the time now Apr 30 23:55
DaemonFC http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/04… Apr 30 23:55
DaemonFC The two bits that impressed the hell out of me were amazingly fast boot time and the improvements to the audio stack Apr 30 23:56
schestowitz Good title Apr 30 23:56
DaemonFC both of which Ubuntu needs a lot of work on Apr 30 23:56
schestowitz DaemonFC: audio stack is good in 2008.1 Apr 30 23:56
schestowitz I had problems with the stack in SuSE 8.1 Apr 30 23:56
DaemonFC nah, I ran into a lot of bugs on everything else Apr 30 23:56
DaemonFC Fedora 10 was the only Pulseaudio implementation I could use and even that has bugs Apr 30 23:57
DaemonFC I’m sure Fedora 11 and Ubuntu 9.10 will be much better about that Apr 30 23:57
DaemonFC Mandriva just got there first Apr 30 23:57
*tessier also has never installed a service pack Apr 30 23:58
tessier I wouldn’t even know where to go to get one Apr 30 23:58
schestowitz I think it’s automatic Apr 30 23:58
schestowitz Maybe some popups Apr 30 23:58
schestowitz I remember back in 2002 when a friend met me at work and said he needed service pack Apr 30 23:59
schestowitz I hardly knew what he was talking about Apr 30 23:59
DaemonFC well, I prefer to get them over Windows Update, because it only grabs the files you need Apr 30 23:59
DaemonFC the standalone includes every update since SP1 Apr 30 23:59
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