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| bnchs | JHey, it's schestowitz's bots | May 13 00:00 |
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| bnchs | and well he's the creator and owner of techrights | May 13 00:00 |
| bnchs | you can /ignore them if you want | May 13 00:00 |
| techrights-news | NVIDIA open source video drivers for Linux kernel http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164748#comment-33644 | May 13 00:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | NVIDIA Releases Open-Source GPU Kernel Modules | Tux Machines | May 13 00:00 | |
| Skywave | Cryostat lmao i recalled Cryostasis the game. | May 13 00:03 |
| JHey | NVIDIA Releases Open-Source GPU Kernel Modules | Tux Machines thats yesterdays news | May 13 00:04 |
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| techrights-news | Formalities Officers Team Managers at Europe’s second-largest institution face a growing list of issues; some are even “considering stepping down,” according to internal documents http://techrights.org/2022/05/12/epo-formalities-officers-team-managers/ | May 13 00:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Formalities Officers Team Managers at the European Patent Office Consider Stepping Down | Techrights | May 13 00:06 | |
| techrights-news | Sinking quality of European Patents [1, 2], plus a Patent Granting Process that is not compliant with the law, quite likely mean the EPO drives straight into a wall; the Central Staff Committee is still trying to save the institution, but management is uncaring and unresponsive http://techrights.org/2022/05/12/epo-management-trashes-the-epo/ | May 13 00:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Central Staff Committee of the EPO Reminds the EPO’s Management, Yet Again, That It is Breaking Laws | Techrights | May 13 00:06 | |
| techrights-news | We’re meant to think that patents — not sharing — are going to save the world http://techrights.org/2022/05/12/epo-misframing/ | May 13 00:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Yes, Minister, Yes! | Techrights | May 13 00:06 | |
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| techrights-news | Harris’s List of Covent-Garden Ladies (1757–1795) – The Public Domain Review ⚓ https://publicdomainreview.org/collection/harris-list-of-covent-garden-ladies/ ䷉ Source: publicdomainreview | May 13 00:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-publicdomainreview.org | Harris’s List of Covent-Garden Ladies (1757–1795) – The Public Domain Review | May 13 00:12 | |
| techrights-news | #KeepItOn for peace and democracy in Sudan, Yemen, and Tajikistan ⚓ https://www.accessnow.org/keepiton-for-peace-and-democracy-in-sudan-yemen-and-tajikistan/ ䷉ Source: accessnow | May 13 00:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.accessnow.org | #KeepItOn for peace and democracy in Sudan, Yemen, and Tajikistan | May 13 00:13 | |
| techrights-news | Alexander in the Bathysphere – The Public Domain Review ⚓ https://publicdomainreview.org/collection/alexander-bathysphere/ ䷉ Source: publicdomainreview | May 13 00:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-publicdomainreview.org | Alexander in the Bathysphere – The Public Domain Review | May 13 00:14 | |
| techrights-news | "Improper Removal of Sensitive Information Before Storage or Transfer, Inadequate Encryption Strength, Missing Authentication for Critical Function, Injection, Improper Input Validation" https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-102-04 | May 13 00:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cisa.gov | Mitsubishi Electric GT25-WLAN (Update A) | CISA | May 13 00:16 | |
| techrights-news | "The developers of the Rust language warned about the identification of the rustdecimal package in the crates.io repository , which contains malicious code." Outsourcing to Microsoft. Feeling lucky, PUNK? https://linuxstoney.com/malicious-rustdecimal-package-found-in-crates-io-rust-repository/ | May 13 00:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Malicious rustdecimal package found in crates.io Rust repository - LinuxStoney | May 13 00:17 | |
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| techrights-news | Massively overhyped. Just don't open malicious files from untrusted sources. This is universally a principle. https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-132-03#main-content "Do not click web links or open unsolicited attachments in email messages." | May 13 00:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cisa.gov | Inkscape in Industrial Products | CISA | May 13 00:20 | |
| techrights-news | Clownify the buzzwords? https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/practical-solution-cloudify-network-edge-why-containers-white-box-devices-and-sd-wan-are-ideal | May 13 00:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | A practical solution to cloudify the network edge: Why containers, white-box devices and SD-WAN are ideal | May 13 00:21 | |
| techrights-news | San Francisco Police Are Using Driverless Cars as Mobile Surveillance Cameras ⚓ https://www.vice.com/en/article/v7dw8x/san-francisco-police-are-using-driverless-cars-as-mobile-surveillance-cameras ䷉ Source: vice | May 13 00:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.vice.com | San Francisco Police Are Using Driverless Cars as Mobile Surveillance Cameras | May 13 00:22 | |
| techrights-news | Microsoft Windows https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-132-09 "The Tiff_Loader.dll is vulnerable to infinite loop condition while parsing specially crafted TIFF files." | May 13 00:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cisa.gov | Siemens JT2GO and Teamcenter Visualization | CISA | May 13 00:23 | |
| techrights-news | Distributed platforms vs. “complexity” gemini://degrowther.smol.pub/20220512_distributed_complexity | May 13 00:25 |
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| techrights-news | My Name on Mars gemini://jsreed5.org/log/2022/202205/20220512-my-name-on-mars.gmi | May 13 00:26 |
| techrights-news | 27 Rights Groups Demand Zoom Abandon 'Invasive,' and 'Inherently Biased' Emotion Recognition Software ⚓ https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2022/05/27-rights-groups-demand-zoom-abandon-invasive-and-inherently-biased-emotion-recognition-software/ ䷉ Source: gizmodo | May 13 00:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gizmodo.com.au | 27 Rights Groups Demand Zoom Abandon 'Invasive,' and 'Inherently Biased' Emotion Recognition Software | May 13 00:28 | |
| techrights-news | It's all about mass manipulation of people and power over people https://www.accessnow.org/elon-musk-twitter-letter/ | May 13 00:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.accessnow.org | Money talks: Twitter’s financial backers must use their power to mitigate risks of Musk takeover - Access Now | May 13 00:29 | |
| techrights-news | ICBM: "From the first lockdown to today’s slow and strategic reopening, industry conditions have been anything but favorable or predictable. For this reason, leaders should take a targeted approach to managing hybrid work systems." https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/5/hybrid-work-best-practices-times-uncertainty | May 13 00:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-enterprisersproject.com | Hybrid work: Best practices in times of uncertainty | The Enterprisers Project | May 13 00:30 | |
| techrights-news | Nest with Fedora: Call for proposals and sponsors - Fedora Community [sic] Blog ⚓ https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/nest-2022-cfp/ ䷉ Source: ICBM | May 13 00:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-communityblog.fedoraproject.org | Nest with Fedora: Call for proposals and sponsors – Fedora Community Blog | May 13 00:31 | |
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| techrights-news | [LINUX PATCH 0/2] Add Xilinx DSI-Tx DRM driver - Venkateshwar Rao Gannavarapu ⚓ https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/1652363593-45799-1-git-send-email-venkateshwar.rao.gannavarapu@xilinx.com/ ䷉ Source: xilinx | May 13 00:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lore.kernel.org | [LINUX PATCH 0/2] Add Xilinx DSI-Tx DRM driver - Venkateshwar Rao Gannavarapu | May 13 00:32 | |
| techrights-news | This is not a backdoor. It's something put on already-compromised machines. This is a distraction from actual backdoors and Windows. https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/bpfdoor-stealthy-linux-malware-bypasses-firewalls-for-remote-access/ | May 13 00:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | BPFdoor: Stealthy Linux malware bypasses firewalls for remote access | May 13 00:35 | |
| techrights-news | IBM/Red Hat and Fedora Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164789 | May 13 00:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IBM/Red Hat and Fedora Leftovers | Tux Machines | May 13 00:37 | |
| techrights-news | Improved Process Isolation in Firefox 100 - Mozilla Hacks - the Web developer blog ⚓ https://hacks.mozilla.org/2022/05/improved-process-isolation-in-firefox-100/ ䷉ Source: Mozilla | May 13 00:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hacks.mozilla.org | Improved Process Isolation in Firefox 100 - Mozilla Hacks - the Web developer blog | May 13 00:38 | |
| techrights-news | "Trailing dots on host names in URLs is the gift that keeps on giving. Let me take you through a dwindling story of how the dot is handled differently in different places through the stack of an Internet client. The evil trailing dot." https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/05/12/a-tale-of-a-trailing-dot/ | May 13 00:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A tale of a trailing dot | daniel.haxx.se | May 13 00:38 | |
| techrights-news | "Congratulations to Rust for its first (but not its last) supply-chain attack this week! They join a growing club of broken-by-design package managers which publish packages uploaded by vendors directly" https://drewdevault.com/2022/05/12/Supply-chain-when-will-we-learn.html | May 13 00:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-drewdevault.com | When will we learn? | May 13 00:39 | |
| techrights-news | http://techrights.org/2022/05/12/libreoffice-7-2-7/ | May 13 00:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 12/05/2022: AlmaLinux OS 8.6 and LibreOffice 7.2.7 | Techrights | May 13 00:45 | |
| MinceR | (cat) (audio:unimportant) https://i.imgur.com/6uNTEvK.mp4 | May 13 00:45 |
| techrights-news | PostgreSQL: PostgreSQL 14.3, 13.7, 12.11, 11.16, and 10.21 Released! • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164791 | May 13 00:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PostgreSQL: PostgreSQL 14.3, 13.7, 12.11, 11.16, and 10.21 Released! | Tux Machines | May 13 00:45 | |
| techrights-news | Security Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164790 | May 13 00:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines | May 13 00:46 | |
| techrights-news | Today’s 𝘛𝘶𝘹 𝘔𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴 Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164792 | May 13 00:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | May 13 00:46 | |
| techrights-news | Links 12/05/2022: AlmaLinux OS 8.6 and LibreOffice 7.2.7 | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/05/12/libreoffice-7-2-7/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/12/libreoffice-7-2-7/ | May 13 00:46 |
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| bnchs | "Log in to Gerrit code review. You currently need a Github account for logging in." | May 13 00:58 |
| bnchs | bruh | May 13 00:58 |
| bnchs | no way | May 13 00:58 |
| bnchs | no got-dang way | May 13 00:58 |
| matey | lol | May 13 00:58 |
| bnchs | no motherfucking got-dang way i need a GITHUB TO ACCESS A GERRIT INSTANCE | May 13 00:58 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▅▄▅▃▅▆▄▄▄▄▄▅▄▅▃▂▇▅▅▃▃▄▄▅▄▅▄▅▄▃▄▅▇▅▅▁ avg(k/sec) 22.96 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▁▁▁▂▂▂▁▁▂▂▁█▂▁▂▂▂▁▁▁▁▁▁▂▁▂▂▁▂▂▂▁ avg(k/sec) 13.83▕ swarm size (avg): 505.85 ⟲ | May 13 00:59 |
| matey | this comes as no surprise | May 13 00:59 |
| matey | this sort of tie-in has nothing to do with free software | May 13 01:00 |
| matey | its pure open source | May 13 01:00 |
| matey | "dove, 100$ pure" | May 13 01:00 |
| matey | pure soap | May 13 01:00 |
| matey | whats soap? its n% this, x% that... | May 13 01:00 |
| matey | but if you add all the ingredients together, its 100% something | May 13 01:01 |
| matey | (and what isnt?) | May 13 01:01 |
| matey | like the roads are made of 100% pure road | May 13 01:02 |
| matey | ive never seen a road that wasnt made entirely of road | May 13 01:02 |
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| matey | taco bell is made with 100% real all natural sawdust | May 13 01:05 |
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| AndroUser | hello | May 13 01:05 |
| matey | its carbon-based, so its even organic sawdust | May 13 01:05 |
| matey | it might even be kosher | May 13 01:05 |
| matey | i mean, the sawdust. certainly not the meat they add to it | May 13 01:06 |
| matey | /me sees if they have a kosher taco bell in israel | May 13 01:06 |
| MinceR | not even pure open source, more like open core | May 13 01:07 |
| matey | www.vrg.org/blog/2014/08/08/taco-bell-ingredient-update/ | May 13 01:07 |
| matey | Taco Bell's nutritionist added this comment about their cheese enzymes: Today, due to the need for Kosher cheese and the cost of using animal sources, genetically engineered coagulants are used. The genetically engineered chymosin is derived from a modified strain of the dairy yeast Kluyveromyces lactis. | May 13 01:07 |
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| matey | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm | May 13 01:07 |
| matey | yeast INCEPTION | May 13 01:08 |
| matey | yeast(yeast(yeast())) | May 13 01:08 |
| matey | not to be confused with yeats | May 13 01:09 |
| matey | if you add yeats to hopps, you just get drunken poetry | May 13 01:09 |
| matey | "kluyveromyces lactis you get down here right now!" | May 13 01:10 |
| matey | "aww mom, what is it?" | May 13 01:10 |
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| matey | "youve been coagulating cheese again, havent you?" | May 13 01:10 |
| matey | "no, i swear" | May 13 01:11 |
| matey | "if ive told you once ive told you a MILLION times, DONT EXAGGERATE" | May 13 01:11 |
| matey | <MinceR> not even pure open source, more like open core <- nel blu dipinto de blu | May 13 01:12 |
| matey | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nel_blu,_dipinto_di_blu_(song) | May 13 01:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Nel blu, dipinto di blu (song) - Wikipedia | May 13 01:13 | |
| matey | "have you been to the palace?" | May 13 01:14 |
| matey | "no, no i havent" | May 13 01:14 |
| matey | "oh, you must, you must! it wont be there much longer, you know-- they are cleaning it!" | May 13 01:15 |
| activelow | nnn sucks... won't need this | May 13 01:16 |
| activelow | still lured into non-*nix thinking | May 13 01:17 |
| activelow | need to clear my mind, what's necessary, and what isn't | May 13 01:17 |
| matey | www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/monarchy-could-be-on-its-last-legs-by-2030-once-the-queen-is-not-on-the-throne-a6967066.html | May 13 01:18 |
| matey | The British monarchy could be on its "last legs" by 2030, a historian has suggested. Dr Anna Whitelock, a reader in early modern history at Royal Holloway in London, said support for the monarchy... | May 13 01:18 |
| matey | what i like even more than that is the very next link in the search results :) | May 13 01:18 |
| matey | Oh, the Places You'll Go! Quotes by Dr. Seuss - Goodreads | May 13 01:19 |
| matey | www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/2125304-oh-the-places-you-ll-go | May 13 01:19 |
| matey | "And when you're alone, there's a very good chance you'll meet things that scare you right out of your pants. There are some, down the road between hither and yon, that can scare you so much you won't want to go on. But on you will go though the weather be foul. On you will go though your enemies prowl. | May 13 01:19 |
| matey | higgledy piggledy wiggledy too, i guess the queen will soon be through. king chuck bit off too much to chew, oh dear, says one, what shall one do? | May 13 01:20 |
| matey | https://yewtu.be/watch?v=JwEu3Wb1hM4 | May 13 01:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Eminem Disses Christmas (Killshot Remix) (PARODY) - Invidious | May 13 01:22 | |
| matey | https://en.mediamass.net/people/bruno-mars/deathhoax.html Some fans have expressed anger at the fake report saying it was reckless, distressing and hurtful to fans of the much loved singer. Others say this shows his extreme popularity across the globe. | May 13 01:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.mediamass.net | Bruno Mars dead 2022 : Singer killed by celebrity death hoax - Mediamass | May 13 01:29 | |
| matey | though it does feel like hes locked out of heaven | May 13 01:30 |
| matey | some idiot at puppy linux started telling people i was dead after confusing me with the late, great robert storey | May 13 01:32 |
| matey | robert storey was a better writer and a better person than i | May 13 01:33 |
| matey | he was extremely generous and thoughtful | May 13 01:33 |
| matey | what made the fellow at puppy an idiot was he basically went around telling everyone i was dead | May 13 01:34 |
| matey | i thought he was acting like he was happy about it | May 13 01:34 |
| matey | finally i talked with him and set him straight, but not before he informed me of my unfortunate demise | May 13 01:35 |
| matey | i still dont think it was an honest mistake. it reeked of wishful thinking. thanks, dick. | May 13 01:35 |
| matey | if you take my least favourite person, of those ive actually known | May 13 01:36 |
| matey | and the same happened to them | May 13 01:36 |
| matey | even i wouldnt gloat about it so shamelessly | May 13 01:36 |
| matey | check it out, im being blocked from A SINGLE WORD by a fucking captcha https://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2007/02/watch-out-theres-weasel-word-about.html | May 13 01:38 |
| matey | ONE WORD | May 13 01:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opendotdotdot.blogspot.com | open...: Watch Out, There's a Weasel Word About | May 13 01:38 | |
| matey | even funnier, is its a post by glyn moody | May 13 01:39 |
| matey | its because he outsourced to google (11 years ago) http://web.archive.org/web/20201001180446/http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2007/02/watch-out-theres-weasel-word-about.html | May 13 01:42 |
| matey | the weasel word, funnily enough, is "freedom" | May 13 01:42 |
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| matey | open source has been trying to turn freedom into a weasel word for decades | May 13 01:43 |
| matey | and i guess portugal, 11 years ago, tried to make creative commons illegal http://web.archive.org/web/20210616003349/https://thecommandline.net/2011/05/09/is-portugal-really-trying-to-make-creative-commons-licenses-illegal/ | May 13 01:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Is Portugal Really Trying to Make Creative Commons Licenses Illegal? – The Command Line | May 13 01:44 | |
| matey | dont bother going without the archive. 404. | May 13 01:44 |
| matey | To use Falkvinge’s word, this proposed law is revolting for interfering with outcomes, fixating an incidental circumstances of some intermediaries, at certain points in the history of cultural production. | May 13 01:45 |
| matey | proposed law | May 13 01:45 |
| matey | ROFL | May 13 01:45 |
| matey | the law against sharing was proposed by portugals SOCIALIST party! | May 13 01:46 |
| matey | this is the length the fake left will go to | May 13 01:46 |
| matey | maybe the third (fourth) worst socialist party ever | May 13 01:46 |
| matey | there are some shitty ones | May 13 01:46 |
| matey | im pro-socialism. some of the parties calling themselves that are worse than systemd | May 13 01:47 |
| matey | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunism | May 13 01:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Opportunism - Wikipedia | May 13 01:49 | |
| matey | "Left" opportunism is a highly volatile mixture of ultrarevolutionary theories and adventuristic tactical objectives that push the revolutionary working-class movement into unjustified actions and senseless sacrifices and defeats. https://leftypedia.org/wiki/Opportunism | May 13 01:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-leftypedia.org | Opportunism - Leftypedia | May 13 01:50 | |
| matey | "Within Marxist organizing, opportunism refers to the abandonment of long-term aims in favour of short-term political success, more specifically through affiliation with bourgeois governments." | May 13 01:50 |
| matey | such as lieplanet | May 13 01:50 |
| matey | which abandons free software for open source and stabs the founder in the back | May 13 01:50 |
| matey | pure fraud | May 13 01:51 |
| matey | "In this, critics such as Rosa Luxemburg and Vladimir Lenin saw an abandonment of the working class character of these socialist parties." | May 13 01:51 |
| matey | im STRONGLY pro-union, but when dealing with charlatans such as these: techworkerscoalition.org its worth noting that a union is a coin with two sides | May 13 01:53 |
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| matey | on the one side of a union is the fact that whenever workers decide to organise (a good thing | May 13 01:53 |
| matey | ) | May 13 01:53 |
| matey | they choose the big unions, the established unions-- whether or not theyre any good | May 13 01:53 |
| matey | in other words its like when activists choose twitter | May 13 01:54 |
| matey | theres no point telling them to create their OWN union | May 13 01:54 |
| matey | this is never the first step | May 13 01:54 |
| matey | workers who want to organise and strike for better treatment invariably go with established (large, if mediocre) unions | May 13 01:55 |
| matey | if (but not before) that effort fails, maybe a new union is created, but not before | May 13 01:55 |
| matey | so all large-scale organising starts with tried, if not true | May 13 01:55 |
| matey | so thats where the workers are | May 13 01:55 |
| matey | but the other side of the coin, is large established unions have union leaders | May 13 01:56 |
| matey | and if a union is a good thing, it stands to reason (falsely) that union leaders are good too | May 13 01:56 |
| matey | union leaders however, are more like politicians | May 13 01:56 |
| matey | their job is to negotiate, and frequently, capitulate | May 13 01:56 |
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| matey | so at the bottom a union is very important | May 13 01:57 |
| matey | aand at the top, its a snow cap made of utter shit | May 13 01:57 |
| matey | ultimate the workers oust the shit leader and replace them | May 13 01:57 |
| matey | or start their own union, but it never starts that way | May 13 01:57 |
| matey | so are unions a good thing? yes, provided that you understand the role of the leader. | May 13 01:58 |
| matey | otherwise you might think theyre not shit. | May 13 01:58 |
| matey | maybe when union leaders fail they go to work for socialist (reform) parties | May 13 01:58 |
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| matey | whats wrong with reform? its the same level of selling out they were doing as union leaders | May 13 01:59 |
| matey | you promise progress, you give the people a pile of shit. | May 13 01:59 |
| matey | theres a way out of that loop, but dont trust reformers | May 13 01:59 |
| matey | they stand for nothing. | May 13 01:59 |
| matey | (and THAT is why tom and i no longer talk) | May 13 01:59 |
| matey | (this mostly isnt about him though i thought id mention it, since roy was nice enough to bring it up a few weeks ago) | May 13 02:00 |
| matey | if given a choice between turning on the cause and turning on someone who has sold out | May 13 02:01 |
| matey | ill turn on the sellout | May 13 02:01 |
| matey | most often they will try to fuck me over, before i consider returning the favour | May 13 02:01 |
| matey | tom might be okay | May 13 02:01 |
| matey | but i dont trust him, and ive been stung before. its my prerogative. | May 13 02:02 |
| matey | it was kind of oliva to apologise, and maybe it was an honest mistake on his part | May 13 02:02 |
| matey | but he sold me out, and i dont trust him, and his feelings are hurt | May 13 02:02 |
| matey | well, it sucks to be him. i dont have to tell him that. | May 13 02:03 |
| activelow | obviously different $TERM differ with their capabilities... | May 13 02:04 |
| matey | people are selling out good people because they have more faith in organisations than the people who fucking built them | May 13 02:04 |
| matey | well, thats not me | May 13 02:04 |
| matey | fuck an organisation. individuals DO matter | May 13 02:04 |
| activelow | there is another one... $TERM are too _incompatible_ with capabilities with should NOT be | May 13 02:04 |
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| activelow | meaning, there seems no basic set of compatible capbilities, that's why de/re-attaching with different $TERM with abduco session manager and dvtm is a pain | May 13 02:05 |
| matey | <matey> fuck an organisation. individuals DO matter | May 13 02:05 |
| matey | especially since an individual can have more integrity, on AVERAGE, than any group | May 13 02:05 |
| matey | when a group is busy selling out its base | May 13 02:05 |
| activelow | there isn't a common $TERM with a basic set of capabilities which always works among _all_ $TERM types | May 13 02:05 |
| matey | those individuals are the most valuable-- and the most maligned. | May 13 02:05 |
| activelow | this sucks | May 13 02:05 |
| matey | EXCUSE THE FUCK OUT OF ME for not going along with that. | May 13 02:06 |
| matey | if i had known it was a dick-sucking contest, i would have found someone who was interested in puckering up. | May 13 02:06 |
| matey | but its not me, sorry. | May 13 02:06 |
| activelow | because i though, i though, ok, test with the most basic set of capabilities: monochrome, no sixels of cause, nothing fancy... | May 13 02:06 |
| activelow | nonetheless de/re-attaching such a terminal type breaks when switching between xterm <-> linux terminal types | May 13 02:06 |
| matey | im not into that sort of competition | May 13 02:07 |
| matey | if im going to suck anyone off, its going to be because i actually like them | May 13 02:08 |
| matey | not to impress some group of idiots | May 13 02:08 |
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| activelow | gnu screen terminal capabilites provide a basic set which works, yet with this i got some character/line screen clearing issues still | May 13 02:08 |
| activelow | i mean, TERM=linux function keys F1...F12 aren't at least compatible with TERM=xterm... i receive different keycodes with those within TERM=linux and TERM=xterm ... this sucks | May 13 02:09 |
| matey | its true that invididualism is overdone. its the individual egos that decide theyre going to destroy people like stallman because they think theyre better. | May 13 02:10 |
| activelow | ok, ditch function keys, can live with this... backspace/delete and cursor positioning/character-clearing ... this isn't acceptable | May 13 02:10 |
| matey | but the first thing they do is start some bullshit organisation-- like osi | May 13 02:10 |
| matey | or some fake shit like gnu.fools. | May 13 02:10 |
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| matey | and then they proceed to tell people how things are going to be | May 13 02:10 |
| matey | and then-- nothing. they do nothing. they follow nothing. they stand for-- nothing. | May 13 02:10 |
| matey | it was never about more than them. | May 13 02:10 |
| matey | thats what lieplanet is | May 13 02:11 |
| matey | thats what open source is | May 13 02:11 |
| matey | thats what eric fucking raymond is. | May 13 02:11 |
| matey | a sad little... big man. | May 13 02:11 |
| matey | a sellout | May 13 02:11 |
| matey | a backstabber | May 13 02:11 |
| matey | a shit. | May 13 02:11 |
| matey | tbh, historically... | May 13 02:11 |
| activelow | what? | May 13 02:12 |
| matey | his contributions were substantial | May 13 02:12 |
| matey | even epic | May 13 02:12 |
| matey | but he has no integrity | May 13 02:12 |
| matey | and you cant build any kind of real progress, with fake integrity. | May 13 02:12 |
| matey | you can build osi though. | May 13 02:12 |
| matey | thanks, i guess. | May 13 02:12 |
| matey | karl fogel decides cc0 isnt a free license | May 13 02:13 |
| matey | fucking retard. | May 13 02:13 |
| matey | seriously, karl fogel stopped making a shred of fucking sense at that moment | May 13 02:13 |
| matey | at that point the ediface became THE thing, and the thing it stood for became a fucking farce | May 13 02:13 |
| matey | fogel became a farce along with it | May 13 02:14 |
| matey | dont let this happen to you | May 13 02:14 |
| matey | dont be like these idiots | May 13 02:14 |
| matey | its better to be no one, and stand for something | May 13 02:14 |
| matey | than to be king, and be a worthless dick. | May 13 02:14 |
| matey | open source will never, can never, understand this. | May 13 02:15 |
| matey | "IM KING OF THE WORLD!" | May 13 02:15 |
| matey | youre a fucking cuntsicle clinging to a piece of wood in the middle of the fucking ocean. | May 13 02:15 |
| matey | have fun with that. | May 13 02:15 |
| matey | eric raymond said "where is my friend" about stallman after the cancellation | May 13 02:20 |
| matey | he might as well have said "am i my brothers keeper" | May 13 02:20 |
| matey | he didnt have to sign the letter | May 13 02:20 |
| matey | hes the one that engineered the whole fucking thing | May 13 02:20 |
| matey | im not saying he deployed it | May 13 02:20 |
| matey | on that note i dont know the whole story | May 13 02:20 |
| matey | probably never will | May 13 02:20 |
| matey | but what happened 3 years ago, had been in the osi vault for AGES | May 13 02:21 |
| matey | he fucking engineered it | May 13 02:21 |
| matey | the question is: why? | May 13 02:21 |
| matey | answer that and youll know more about open source than 99% of people | May 13 02:21 |
| matey | myself included | May 13 02:21 |
| matey | with friends like that, who needs 40mm enema launchers? | May 13 02:22 |
| matey | “Left” opportunism tries to push the revolutionary movement onto an adventurist path. Its erroneous actions, disguised in revolutionary, Marxist phraseology, discredit communism, thus playing into the hands of the bourgeoisie. https://leftypedia.org/wiki/Opportunism | May 13 02:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-leftypedia.org | Opportunism - Leftypedia | May 13 02:24 | |
| matey | https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss | May 13 02:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.libreplanet.org | LibrePlanet-discuss � a discussion email list for the LibrePlanet Community. | May 13 02:25 | |
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| matey | fake revolution makes it so no one believes in the struggle for real progress anymore | May 13 02:26 |
| matey | thats clearly what (a) has happened and (b) CONTINUES to happen to free software | May 13 02:27 |
| matey | there IS a fix | May 13 02:27 |
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| matey | indeed there are several | May 13 02:27 |
| matey | but if people keep siding with those destroying everything it stood for | May 13 02:27 |
| matey | the results dont require a batshit "rocket scientists" like elon musk to figure out what the results will be | May 13 02:27 |
| matey | we do need an a-team of nobodies, to rebuild free software | May 13 02:28 |
| matey | but the a-team wont backstab anyone | May 13 02:28 |
| matey | they wont rebrand doublespeak as "diplomacy" or "good manners" | May 13 02:29 |
| matey | or "acceptable conduct" | May 13 02:29 |
| matey | all of those are distractions | May 13 02:29 |
| matey | free software was already acceptable. | May 13 02:29 |
| matey | but nothing one does will make everyone accept it. | May 13 02:29 |
| matey | no integrity-- no movement. | May 13 02:31 |
| matey | just a bunch of twits doing to free software what systemd did to debian | May 13 02:32 |
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| matey | Unfortunately, this is not some abstract battle between different points of view. For example, if CC licences become illegal in Portugal, this would presumably mean that contributing to Wikipedia would also become illegal. Maybe Wikipedia itself would become illegal - there seems no limit to the absurdity of the knock-on consequences when starting from such a ridiculous premise. | May 13 02:37 |
| matey | (2011) | May 13 02:37 |
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| activelow | linux libdrm/kms subsystem... i don't know... just wanted to see if /dev/fb0 can be switched down to 8bit 256color format | May 13 03:42 |
| activelow | 8bit depth rgb format isn't supported by the gpu driver, the kernel sources of some seem slightly confused, and the userspace utilities are weird, particularly the libdrm related ones | May 13 03:43 |
| activelow | i am glad, at least is wiped finally | May 13 03:43 |
| activelow | i am glad, at least libdrm is wiped finally | May 13 03:43 |
| activelow | of cause i can keep terminal capabilities at 256 colors, which is default, yet i hoped framebuffer could be scaled down to some reasonable limit, to make it faster | May 13 03:44 |
| activelow | i'll keep framebuffer at 16bit... which too is a test case to see, which format conversions are flawed with sixels involved | May 13 03:45 |
| DaemonFC | They have smart features on my dehumidifier. | May 13 03:45 |
| DaemonFC | I can control it from my phone. | May 13 03:45 |
| DaemonFC | What's funny is I'm sure the security is horrible and someone could install the app and find out you have a dehumidifier and turn on continual pump without it being hooked up into a drain. | May 13 03:45 |
| DaemonFC | And you come home and find gallons and gallons of water all over your floor. | May 13 03:46 |
| activelow | the terminal capability incompatibilities are worse, can't grasp the wisdom not at least some basic set of capabilities among relevant terminal types | May 13 03:47 |
| activelow | such as with backspace/delete, cursor positioning and character/line clearing... for virtual terminals i mean (not a modem line or printer which can't erase of cause) | May 13 03:48 |
| activelow | long story short, not at least 256bit color virtual terminal remain compatible | May 13 03:49 |
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| techrights-news | #Techrights Bulletin for Thursday, May 12, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext | May 13 04:39 |
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| techrights-news | "For years people have wanted Nvidia to open source there Linux drivers and finally they've done so however it's not that simple and big parts of the driver stack will remain proprietary including the CUDA, Vulkan and OpenGL support." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=1jkB8jA0X3Q | May 13 04:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Nvidia Open Sources Linux Drivers!! But There's A Catch - Invidious | May 13 04:44 | |
| techrights-news | Not all open-source leaders are jerks - El Reg ⚓ https://www.theregister.com/2022/05/12/not_all_opensource_leaders_are/ ䷉ Source: theregister | May 13 04:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Not all open-source leaders are jerks • The Register | May 13 04:45 | |
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| techrights-news | "Paradox Interactive has released the major Stellaris: Overlord expansion, along with a free Stellaris 3.4 version update." ☛ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/05/stellaris-34-cepheus-and-stellaris-overlord-out-now/ | Source: GamingOnLinux | May 13 04:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Stellaris 3.4 'Cepheus' and Stellaris: Overlord out now | GamingOnLinux | May 13 04:51 | |
| techrights-news | "Probably one of the most important creatures on Earth and now you'll be looking after them in APICO on May 20, 2022." ☛ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/05/save-the-bees-on-may-20-with-the-release-of-apico/ | Source: GamingOnLinux | May 13 04:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Save the Bees on May 20 with the release of APICO | GamingOnLinux | May 13 04:51 | |
| techrights-news | "Have you burned out on Vampire Survivors and want something new? Or perhaps you just prefer spaceships?" ☛ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/05/uh-oh-gunlocked-is-like-vampire-survivors-in-space-and-just-as-absorbing/ | Source: GamingOnLinux | May 13 04:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Uh oh, Gunlocked is like Vampire Survivors in space and just as absorbing | GamingOnLinux | May 13 04:52 | |
| techrights-news | "Looking for the best time to order your Librem 14 laptop?" ☛ https://puri.sm/posts/summer-sale-on-librem-14-laptops/ | Source: Purism | May 13 04:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-puri.sm | Summer Sale on Librem 14 Laptops – Purism | May 13 04:53 | |
| techrights-news | "Hailo and Lanner Electronics launched a cost efficient PCIe accelerator card called the Falcon H8." ☛ https://linuxgizmos.com/lanners-falcon-h8-ai-accelerator-card-powered-by-hailo-8-ai-processors/ | Source: Linux Gizmos | May 13 04:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/lanners-falcon-h8-ai-accelerator-card-powered-by-hailo-8-ai-processors/ ) | May 13 04:54 | |
| techrights-news | "Core Keeper is another big indie hit and for good reason, it's a total gem" ☛ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/05/core-keeper-gets-dedicated-servers-upcoming-sunken-sea-biome-sounds-huge/ | Source: GamingOnLinux | May 13 04:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Core Keeper gets dedicated servers, upcoming Sunken Sea Biome sounds huge | GamingOnLinux | May 13 04:54 | |
| techrights-news | "The Garden Path is an upcoming casual chilled-out life sim that looks gorgeous." ☛ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/05/get-an-early-look-at-the-garden-path-with-a-few-copies-left-on-itchio/ | Source: GamingOnLinux | May 13 04:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Get an early look at The Garden Path with a few copies left on itch.io | GamingOnLinux | May 13 04:55 | |
| techrights-news | "x86-based Universal CPE (uCPE)" ☛ https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/practical-solution-cloudify-network-edge-why-containers-white-box-devices-and-sd-wan-are-ideal | Source: Red Hat Official | May 13 04:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | A practical solution to cloudify the network edge: Why containers, white-box devices and SD-WAN are ideal | May 13 04:56 | |
| techrights-news | "The Jackbox Party Starter has been announced to launch this "Summer", which will be the perfect entry to get the party started with more languages supported." ☛ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/05/the-jackbox-party-starter-coming-this-summer-with-more-localization/ | Source: GamingOnLinux | May 13 04:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Jackbox Party Starter coming this 'Summer' with more localization | GamingOnLinux | May 13 04:56 | |
| techrights-news | "Another absolutely huge update for the Steam Deck just landed, with Valve clearly taking on lots of feedback to make it the best handheld gaming device around." ☛ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/05/steam-deck-gets-per-app-performance-profiles-hardware-survey-and-loads-more/ | Source: GamingOnLinux | May 13 04:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Steam Deck gets per-app performance profiles, hardware survey and loads more | GamingOnLinux | May 13 04:57 | |
| techrights-news | Nvidia Open Sources Drivers, FOSS Is Winning! (Despite The Haters) ⚓ https://odysee.com/@DistroTube:2/nvidia-open-sources-drivers,-foss-is:6 ䷉ Source: DistroTube | May 13 04:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.com | Nvidia Open Sources Drivers, FOSS Is Winning! (Despite The Haters) | May 13 04:57 | |
| techrights-news | old: An Open Letter to Hobbyists ⚓ https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/library/cyber/surf/072397mind-letter.html ䷉ Source: archive | May 13 04:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.nytimes.com | An Open Letter to Hobbyists | May 13 04:57 | |
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| techrights-news | ""Two days ago the wireplumber package was made to replace pipewire-media-session ☛ https://archlinux.org/news/undone-replacement-of-pipewire-media-session-with-wireplumber/ | | May 13 05:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archlinux.org | Arch Linux - News: Undone replacement of pipewire-media-session with wireplumber | May 13 05:02 | |
| techrights-news | "With Kubernetes 1.24 the gRPC probes functionality entered beta and is available by default." https://kubernetes.io/blog/2022/05/13/grpc-probes-now-in-beta/ | May 13 05:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kubernetes.io | Kubernetes 1.24: gRPC container probes in beta | Kubernetes | May 13 05:03 | |
| techrights-news | "The past month has been exciting, with both LXD 5.0 LTS and Ubuntu 22.04 LTS being launched." ☛ https://ubuntu.com//blog/shared-development-environment-with-lxd | Source: Ubuntu | May 13 05:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Setting up a secure shared development environment with LXD | Ubuntu | May 13 05:05 | |
| techrights-news | "A growing Advantech and Canonical collaboration means deployment-ready IoT devices are more market accessible" ☛ https://ubuntu.com//blog/advantech-canonical-boost-security-and-edge-features-in-uno-embedded-automation-platform-with-pre-loaded-ubuntu-and-ubuntu-core-20 | Source: Ubuntu | May 13 05:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Advantech, Canonical Boost Security and Edge Features in UNO Embedded Automation Platform with Pre-Loaded Ubuntu and Ubuntu Core 20 | Ubuntu | May 13 05:06 | |
| techrights-news | Starbucks ☛ https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/05/12/are-starbucks-union-busting-tactics-legal/ | Source: Counter Punch | May 13 05:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Are Starbucks' Union-Busting Tactics Legal? - CounterPunch.org | May 13 05:09 | |
| techrights-news | "Raspberry Pi Pico is a low-cost microcontroller that can be connected to another computer" ☛ https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-pico-classroom-physical-computing/ | Source: Raspberry Pi | May 13 05:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.raspberrypi.org | Teaching with Raspberry Pi Pico in the computing classroom - Raspberry Pi | May 13 05:10 | |
| techrights-news | "Julia has initiated numerous international cooperation projects in the museum field around capacity building and organizational transformation." ☛ https://creativecommons.org/2022/05/12/episode-30-open-culture-voices-julia-pagel/ | Source: Creative Commons | May 13 05:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-creativecommons.org | Episode 30: Open Culture VOICES – Julia Pagel - Creative Commons | May 13 05:11 | |
| techrights-news | "he was deputy development manager and head of digital services and communication at Paris Musées." ☛ https://creativecommons.org/2022/05/12/episode-29-open-culture-voices-philippe-riviere/ | Source: Creative Commons | May 13 05:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-creativecommons.org | Episode 29: Open Culture VOICES – Philippe Rivière - Creative Commons | May 13 05:15 | |
| techrights-news | #Boycottstarbucks a thing yet? ☛ https://truthout.org/articles/starbucks-union-momentum-grows-with-groundbreaking-first-wins-in-california/ | Source: TruthOut | May 13 05:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Starbucks Union Momentum Grows With Groundbreaking First Wins in California | May 13 05:19 | |
| techrights-news | SweatshopZone ☛ https://truthout.org/articles/amazons-inadequate-safety-rules-put-thousands-at-risk-aoc-and-warren-say/ | Source: TruthOut | May 13 05:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Amazon’s “Inadequate” Safety Rules Put Thousands at Risk, AOC and Warren Say | May 13 05:21 | |
| techrights-news | "I’m currently a member of the Chinese Text Layout Task Force" ☛ https://chenhuijing.com/blog/font-face-fun-times/ | Source: Chen HuiJing | May 13 05:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-chenhuijing.com | @font-face fun times | May 13 05:22 | |
| techrights-news | "The ERTMS is one of those technical things rail nerds and industry insiders hear about every few years, but it never seems to go anywhere." ☛ https://rubenerd.com/the-european-rail-traffic-management-system/ | Source: Ruben Schade | May 13 05:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Rubenerd: The European Rail Traffic Management System | May 13 05:22 | |
| activelow | another one on the hitlist for removal: Vim... back to elvis | May 13 05:34 |
| techrights-news | More disinformation ☛ https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/12/120-groups-call-social-media-giants-combat-election-disinformation-ahead-midterms | Source: Common Dreams | May 13 05:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | 120+ Groups Call On Social Media Giants to Combat Election Disinformation Ahead of Midterms | May 13 05:34 | |
| matey | <DaemonFC> They have smart features on my dehumidifier. <DaemonFC> I can control it from my phone. | May 13 05:56 |
| matey | <DaemonFC> And you come home and find gallons and gallons of water all over your floor. <- this is what was missing from the sony aibo | May 13 05:57 |
| techrights-news | "As enforced by these corporate apparatchiks of Managerialism, university academics are obliged to compete by means of publishing in the so-called top journals, and to stockpile (quantity over quality) ever greater numbers of publications than their peers." ☛ https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/05/12/academentia-and-managerialism/ | Source: Counter Punch | May 13 05:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Academentia and Managerialism - CounterPunch.org | May 13 05:57 | |
| matey | that and warning to not use it as a water dispenser, as "the aibos reservoir is not food-safe and it should not be used as a water dispenser" | May 13 05:58 |
| matey | ...not unlike a real dog. | May 13 05:58 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▃▄▂▃▂▂▆▆▅▅▄▅▃▄▄▅▅▃▁▂▃▅▁▅▂▂▃▅▃▄▅▁▂▅▅▁ avg(k/sec) 20.06 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▂▁▁▁▂▁▁▂▂▁▁▂▁▁▁█▁█▁▂▁▁▂▁▂▁▁▁▂▂▁▂▁▁ avg(k/sec) 33.05▕ swarm size (avg): 491.30 ⟲ | May 13 05:59 |
| matey | "all i ask is for sharks with frikkin laser beams on their foreheads and a robot dog i can use as a water dispenser. throw me a frikkin booone here." | May 13 06:00 |
| matey | sony would probably be LESS evil if it were run by dr evil from a frikkin volcano. | May 13 06:01 |
| matey | though i can imagine frau repeating his worst ideas at the top of her lungs | May 13 06:03 |
| matey | "remove support for linux from the ps3" "REMOVE LINUX SUPPPOOOOOORRRRRRTTT!!!!!!!!" | May 13 06:04 |
| matey | "mr powers, youre too late, ive already sent out the firmware updates over the "internet"" | May 13 06:05 |
| matey | "whyd you do it dr evil?" | May 13 06:05 |
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| matey | "isnt it kind of poontless? i mean, if you want to run linux why not buy an actual com-PUT-ter?" | May 13 06:06 |
| matey | "thats not the point, man, if the ps3 can run it anyway, why not just be groovy and let people use it?" | May 13 06:06 |
| matey | "i sent out the updates because i enjoy when users suffer" | May 13 06:08 |
| matey | "man, you really missed your calling, you could have worked for microsoft." | May 13 06:08 |
| techrights-news | "Disney is looking for a senior paralegal to expand its anti-[sharing] team in Burbank California." ☛ https://torrentfreak.com/disney-seeks-a-paralegal-to-help-combat-online-piracy-220512/ | Source: Torrent Freak | May 13 06:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Disney Seeks a Senior Paralegal to Help Combat Online Piracy * TorrentFreak | May 13 06:08 | |
| techrights-news | "The Italian telecoms regulator AGCOM already has tools at its disposal to fight" filesharing/streaming ☛ https://torrentfreak.com/new-legislation-gives-telecoms-regulator-major-power-to-fight-piracy-220512/ | Source: Torrent Freak | May 13 06:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-New Legislation Gives Telecoms Regulator Major Powers to Fight Piracy * TorrentFreak | May 13 06:08 | |
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| matey | "i tried. they said i reminded them too much of steve ball-mer, and they already had one." | May 13 06:08 |
| techrights-news | "The U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) says it is investigating reports" ☛ https://krebsonsecurity.com/2022/05/dea-investigating-breach-of-law-enforcement-data-portal/ | Source: Krebs On Security | May 13 06:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-krebsonsecurity.com | DEA Investigating Breach of Law Enforcement Data Portal – Krebs on Security | May 13 06:08 | |
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| matey | "oh yeah?" | May 13 06:10 |
| matey | "yes, and the stole my frikkin plans. cloud 360 was MY idea." | May 13 06:10 |
| matey | Meet aibo, Sony's robotic dog that has been evolving for over two decades | Aibo Community Hub AIBO was first introduced to the world in 1999 and development has continued to progress as the industry of technology has advanced. Today Sony is focused on the ERS-1000, its brand-new version of the robotic puppy. | May 13 06:12 |
| matey | that isnt evolution, its unintelligent design | May 13 06:12 |
| matey | www.cnet.com/home/smart-home/yes-the-robot-dog-ate-your-privacy/ | May 13 06:13 |
| matey | At $2,900, Sony's robot dog Aibo sits at the fringe of technology, but it might not stay there. Whether you find it cute or creepy, the tech that makes Aibo tick is continuing to evolve, and it... | May 13 06:13 |
| matey | To be clear, Aibo's tech already includes artificial intelligence, sensors and microphones that help it interact with people, and cameras that can recognize faces and help it navigate your home like a Roomba. A reasonable consumer might rightly wonder just how much data this dog gathers as it wanders their home scanning faces and learning about its owners. | May 13 06:14 |
| matey | always nice to find out your robot dog is a russian (japanese) spy. | May 13 06:14 |
| matey | 2 cameras and 4 mics! its like someone gave legs to a smartphone and an echo dot. | May 13 06:15 |
| matey | but can it be used as a gps when you drive? | May 13 06:16 |
| matey | "aibo, how to do i get to perm-36?" | May 13 06:16 |
| matey | "ri roh roh?" | May 13 06:16 |
| matey | everyone knows that, you just look at stalin funny. | May 13 06:16 |
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| matey | www.historyanswers.co.uk/people-politics/perm-36-the-soviet-era-gulag-museum-where-putin-is-rewriting-history/ | May 13 06:19 |
| matey | Perm-36 - located 95 kilometres away from the city, in the village of Kuchino - stopped being a camp/colony in 1988, and since then has been developed as both a memorial and a museum to the Gulag system. Post-Stalin, the camp and repressions continued - they didn't suddenly stop with Uncle Joe's death in 1953. | May 13 06:19 |
| matey | ‘Little Father’, ‘Uncle Joe’ or ‘Koba’ was a mass-murdering dictator whose corrective-camp labour system, known as Gulag (‘Glavnoe upravlenie lagerei’, translated as Main Administration Camp), led to the displacement and deaths of millions. Mid-20th century Russia and its rocket-paced progress was built on the backs, and then the bones, of the dead | May 13 06:20 |
| matey | when it comes to infrastructure programmes like roads and canals, that’s meant pretty much literally. | May 13 06:20 |
| matey | But to many, Stalin was the leader who saved them from the Nazis during World War II | May 13 06:20 |
| matey | LOL | May 13 06:20 |
| matey | he just fucking sat there while the nazis poured in, AFTER he blew up the fortifications designed to prevent precisely this as a gesture of "good will" | May 13 06:21 |
| matey | There was – and still is – a romantic notion to contend with: that Stalin always had the best intentions for the country and if he went wrong along the way, it was due to enemies of the people or was ultimately justifiable | May 13 06:21 |
| matey | its funny how people will line up to defend a madman | May 13 06:22 |
| matey | The modernisation of Russia into a superpower cost millions in lives. To suggest every single prisoner was a class enemy, a wrecker or saboteur, is preposterous. If not arrested and exiled on imaginary pretexts or crimes, they were taken at the least provocation. One man was arrested and sent to a corrective-labour camp for selling a piglet at market. He was denounced as a ‘speculator’. | May 13 06:22 |
| matey | if he had only sold pooh or eeyore he might have gotten away with it | May 13 06:23 |
| matey | Trumped up charges like these meant a steady stream of expendable workforces | May 13 06:23 |
| matey | when the usa "ended" slavery they made sure the amendment to the constitution didnt remove this form of it | May 13 06:24 |
| matey | Putin has aired opinions about Stalin – that the Katyn Massacre of 1940 was a war crime ordered by Stalin and carried out by the NKVD – but he has also found the image of Stalin as a useful guiding light to re-establish Russia’s superiority. The struggle between revisionism and accepted historical reality is creeping rather than a blatant, wholesale rewriting. | May 13 06:25 |
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| matey | open russia! | May 13 06:25 |
| matey | ossr (occp) | May 13 06:26 |
| matey | not to be confused with the fssr, aka lieplanet-36 | May 13 06:26 |
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| techrights-news | wifislax64-3.0 VERSION FINAL https://www.wifislax.com/wifislax64-3-0-version-final/ | May 13 06:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wifislax64-3.0 VERSION FINAL | Live Wifislax | May 13 06:40 | |
| techrights-news | Archman 2022.05.13 is also out https://archman.org/ | May 13 06:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archman.org | Archman GNU/Linux | May 13 06:40 | |
| matey | “We filmed one display. It told about the prisoners of that camp. Like any camp, it confined actual dissidents and human rights advocates together with, literally, Nazi collaborators, as well as recidivist gangsters, and spies. The paradox is that, according to the display we filmed, there was no difference between the former and the latter, which is both immoral and unprofessional.” | May 13 06:42 |
| matey | and very much like the sort of people who have created lieplanet. | May 13 06:42 |
| matey | who can never tell the difference | May 13 06:42 |
| matey | first they will hang stallman, of course | May 13 06:43 |
| matey | why? hes the worlds greatest bigot and pervert! | May 13 06:43 |
| matey | but then, once hes been hobbled politically | May 13 06:43 |
| matey | they will say "hes a great guy, it was just time to move on" | May 13 06:43 |
| matey | i mean thats not the evil of historical revisionism, thats.... | May 13 06:44 |
| matey | oh, yeah it is. but its not open source! | May 13 06:44 |
| matey | i mean, open source hasnt been rewriting history for 20 fucking years, pretending linus torvalds... um... | May 13 06:44 |
| matey | well, fuck! | May 13 06:44 |
| matey | i wonder what year theyll have lieplanet #36 | May 13 06:45 |
| matey | (answer, never-- hopefully it will be gone by then) | May 13 06:45 |
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| matey | heres one place the article fucks up majorly "In 2015, the Levada Institute, a non-governmental polling survey body, found that 52 per cent of Russians held Stalin in a positive..." | May 13 06:47 |
| matey | YOU REALLY CANT trust the polling orgs in russia! | May 13 06:48 |
| matey | even the non-governmental ones. | May 13 06:48 |
| matey | but western media routinely cites them as if its TRIVIAL (not SO much) to glean useful or realistic information about russians from them | May 13 06:48 |
| matey | really, you might as well ask microsoft if most people love windows. | May 13 06:49 |
| matey | YES, some russians do like stalin | May 13 06:49 |
| matey | "found that 52 per cent of Russians..." бред сивой кобылы! | May 13 06:49 |
| matey | "When this lack of curiosity about the past or attempts at rehabilitation affect places like Perm-36, whose purpose is to speak out for those killed by the state in the name of progress or retribution, the result is far more dangerous than having the face of Stalin emblazoned on a t-shirt, or his mug printed on a coaster, as if he’s a Che Guevara type." | May 13 06:54 |
| matey | its not like statues of stalin are going (back) up all over russia | May 13 06:55 |
| matey | in so many places, hes been torn down while lenin (in so many places) stays up, rarely defaced | May 13 06:55 |
| matey | someone DID paint ukranian flag colours on lenins head at one point, but some (at least one eh) ukrainian-sympathetic russians found that "funny" | May 13 06:56 |
| matey | considering how nationalist the exploitation of ukraine is, and how passionately anti-nationalist lenin was | May 13 06:57 |
| techrights-news | “This is how we do things around here.” gemini://gemini.conman.org/boston/2022/05/12.1 | May 13 06:57 |
| matey | its speculation and perhaps ignorantly so, but i wouldnt be surprised if lenin himself would have found that "funny" too | May 13 06:57 |
| techrights-news | New: "As to why I haven't left yet? Because it seems this “Agile” movement has invaded everywhere and things would be “more of the same” elsewhere. At least here, I'm not forced to use Windows [4]." gemini://gemini.conman.org/boston/2022/05/12.1" | May 13 06:58 |
| matey | you can still find idiots in shops who have put a picture of stalin up | May 13 06:58 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▄▆▅▃▅▆▆▆▅▄▅▂▅▆▅▅▄▄▅▄▅▅▅▄▅▅▁▅▅▂▃▄▆▂▁ avg(k/sec) 24.30 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▁▁▁▁▁▂▁▂▁▂▁▁▂█▁▁▁▂▂▁▂▂▁▂█▁▂█▁▁▂▂█▁ avg(k/sec) 62.75▕ swarm size (avg): 476.60 ⟲ | May 13 06:59 |
| matey | i think it would be a mistake to let them represent broad russian sentiment | May 13 06:59 |
| matey | about as ridiculous as saying "most americans love trump" | May 13 06:59 |
| matey | really even more ridiculous, as the margins are that different | May 13 06:59 |
| techrights-news | Disinformation ☛ https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/meet-the-head-of-bidens-new-disinformation-governing-board/ | Source: The Nation | May 13 07:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenation.com | Meet the Head of Biden’s New “Disinformation Governing Board” | The Nation | May 13 07:07 | |
| matey | so there are other ways (one ive used) to search youtube from the command line... which is great if youre using a command line program to get youtube videos | May 13 07:11 |
| matey | but i just discovered that yt-dl (the fork of youtube-dl that despite its faults, does work far better) | May 13 07:12 |
| matey | AND YES, its github | May 13 07:12 |
| matey | ive now processed literally tens of thousands of free software programs, and weeded out MORE THAN 99 PERCENT of github stuff. | May 13 07:13 |
| techrights-news | Starbucks ☛ https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/12/let-floodgates-open-starbucks-union-scores-first-wins-california | Source: Common Dreams | May 13 07:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | 'Let the Floodgates Open': Starbucks Union Scores First Wins in California | May 13 07:13 | |
| matey | and even after doing that, i will still say good things about yt-dl, but this is an exception to an exception to an exception | May 13 07:13 |
| matey | i try very hard to not promote github stuff | May 13 07:14 |
| matey | which means practically everything | May 13 07:14 |
| matey | so if even i say something great about something on github, its unusual to say the least | May 13 07:15 |
| matey | rare | May 13 07:15 |
| matey | but getting back to the point, i think to search github from the command line i think you just say (in quotes) "ytsearch: whatever youre searching for" | May 13 07:16 |
| matey | instead of the url, with yt-dl | May 13 07:16 |
| matey | maybe this feature goes back several years-- i just found it | May 13 07:16 |
| matey | havent even used it | May 13 07:16 |
| matey | really cool though | May 13 07:16 |
| techrights-news | "persistent refusal to share key coronavirus vaccine and treatment technology" = PATENTS as the problem ☛ https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/12/donation-model-has-failed-supremacy-greed-decried-covid-summit-begins | Source: Common Dreams | May 13 07:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | 'Donation Model Has Failed': Supremacy of Greed Decried as Covid Summit Begins | May 13 07:16 | |
| matey | the problem with youtube-dl, which i really would prefer to use, and havent deleted even though i havent used it in ages | May 13 07:17 |
| matey | (and its also github-based) | May 13 07:17 |
| matey | is that you cant have a youtube downloader unless you constantly fix what youtube deliberately fucks up | May 13 07:18 |
| matey | and youtube-dl is next to abandoned, at least in present, practical terms | May 13 07:18 |
| matey | what i LIKE about it is that i think they are less dependent on python 3? so thats very cool | May 13 07:19 |
| matey | still, yt-dl actually fixes problems that youtube-dl suffers for long periods of time, unfixed | May 13 07:19 |
| matey | its becoming like openoffice vs libreoffice, at least a little bit | May 13 07:19 |
| matey | in that openoffice, while i really preferred it for its simplicity, was basically abandoned after it reverted back to a free license | May 13 07:20 |
| matey | and libreoffice became more popular and better maintained (although they also added a lot of bloat, some annoyances, and even stabbed richard stallman in the back-- i havent used libreoffice in about a year or more) | May 13 07:21 |
| matey | id like to live in a world where a youtube downloader isnt even necessary | May 13 07:21 |
| matey | but as long as im using one, yt-dl is the new youtube-dl, and it works well | May 13 07:21 |
| matey | and since both are github based, the best thing you can say about the former is that they have tried not to push python 3 | May 13 07:22 |
| matey | which i really do find admirable as fuck | May 13 07:22 |
| matey | for that reason alone i hope they get back on track and start fixing / updating again | May 13 07:22 |
| matey | possibly by de-python-3ifying yt-dl, since youtube-dl is otherwise, possibly, soon, maybe dead | May 13 07:23 |
| matey | but i really want to be wrong there, so hopefully i will be | May 13 07:23 |
| matey | as for why to de-python-3, someone (xrevan) has actually helped to fix the one (technical) feature i hate most about it | May 13 07:24 |
| matey | im still impressed | May 13 07:24 |
| matey | but even then... | May 13 07:24 |
| matey | from a political standpoint, python 3 still has shown a systemd-like attitude towards users. not hard to guess how i feel about that | May 13 07:24 |
| matey | systemd-like in downplaying the level theyve gone to to rustify (destabilise) the language | May 13 07:25 |
| matey | maybe im playing that up. not deliberately. if they werent downplaying it, id be a lot less likely to upplay it | May 13 07:26 |
| matey | i dont really think im upplaying it. | May 13 07:26 |
| matey | language destabilisation is a real and very corporate problem | May 13 07:26 |
| matey | so i dislike that (and not only that) about python 3 | May 13 07:26 |
| matey | i dislike that it became google-fied | May 13 07:26 |
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| matey | i dislike that guido works for microsoft. | May 13 07:27 |
| matey | i mean literally works at microsoft. | May 13 07:27 |
| matey | i have no desire to promote a microsoft product. | May 13 07:27 |
| matey | they kill everything good. they will kill cpython. | May 13 07:27 |
| matey | pypy has done everything i think should have been done about this | May 13 07:28 |
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| matey | so i would rather recommend that to as many people as possible | May 13 07:28 |
| matey | even if they find they are forced to use cpython for a few things (which they would be, most likely) | May 13 07:28 |
| matey | pypy compatibility is a stand for stability, imo | May 13 07:28 |
| matey | the closest you can get to stability or sanity with python. | May 13 07:29 |
| matey | thats the sort of thing id rather promote | May 13 07:29 |
| matey | so if youtube-dl manages to pick itself up again and maybe port features from yt-dl on their (noble) crusade to preserve python 2 compatibility | May 13 07:29 |
| matey | i mean thats like what devuan was supposed to give us, its that sort of project-- mate, trinity, etc. | May 13 07:30 |
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| matey | i would like to smile on, as much as possible, projects that stand against the treadmill of unnecessary "novel" shit | May 13 07:30 |
| matey | with yt-dl, the advantage is simple-- its a tool designed to download videos from the command line. | May 13 07:31 |
| matey | its well maintained. its not full of pointless gimmicks. | May 13 07:31 |
| matey | im hoping youtube-dl can catch up at some point, but i only tried something else when the former was working unsuitably, and dramatically so | May 13 07:31 |
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| matey | this guy has one of those curved monitors | May 13 07:34 |
| matey | maybe ill change my mind about them someday, i find them really hideous | May 13 07:34 |
| matey | i think theres a technical argument to be made for them, i have yet to warm up to the idea | May 13 07:34 |
| matey | i think i could tolerate a much larger screen than this one (indeed i owned one for a while) without going curved | May 13 07:35 |
| matey | and there are technical arguments against curved monitors too | May 13 07:35 |
| matey | mostly i would expect them to fall apart more readily during a move | May 13 07:36 |
| matey | i mean, i can imagine packaging that would help, if you save the box, which some people do | May 13 07:36 |
| matey | but if i need a screen thats so big (and expensive) that going curved is in any way practical | May 13 07:36 |
| matey | id rather just use a projector again. | May 13 07:37 |
| matey | my only gripe with those is they literally burn out | May 13 07:37 |
| matey | and then you have to go on the great bulb hunt | May 13 07:37 |
| matey | and really, i dont think theyre very friendly (from a design standpoint) about any of this | May 13 07:37 |
| techrights-news | In the MSM, "Aid" means "Weapons". When they say [some monetary sum] for "aid" they mean weapon sales for some US corporations that charge for weapons like 10 times the production cost. Weapons do not aid, they kill... | May 13 07:38 |
| matey | other than that, i love projectors. | May 13 07:38 |
| techrights-news | So-called "meatpackers"; as if animals are not just "livestock" but packs ☛ https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/12/house-panel-exposes-how-shameful-meatpackers-put-profits-over-worker-health-during | Source: Common Dreams | May 13 07:38 |
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| matey | id happily build a screen as large as a wall for one | May 13 07:39 |
| matey | its WAY cheaper and easier to move than an actual screen that size | May 13 07:39 |
| techrights-news | "Our own Glyn Moody has written several posts about how exceptions that have been made to copyright laws throughout the world have picked up steam" ☛ https://www.techdirt.com/2022/05/12/visually-impaired-advocacy-group-goes-to-war-with-south-africa-copyright-law/ | Source: Techdirt | May 13 07:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Visually Impaired Advocacy Group Goes To War With South Africa Copyright Law | Techdirt | May 13 07:39 | |
| matey | im kind of surprised this isnt more popular as a solution, even for like gamers | May 13 07:39 |
| matey | but eh | May 13 07:40 |
| techrights-news | "What the actual fuck, EU? While they pretend to be all about protecting privacy, they then push out this bit of utter nonsense: a bill to “protect the children” by literally requiring online services scan all messaging" ☛ https://www.techdirt.com/2022/05/12/eu-proposes-its-own-version-of-earn-it-effectively-mandates-full-surveillance-of-all-messaging-no-encryption/ | Source: Techdirt | May 13 07:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-EU Proposes It’s Own Version Of EARN IT: Effectively Mandates Full Surveillance Of All Messaging & No Encryption | Techdirt | May 13 07:40 | |
| techrights-news | "military-grade surveillance" ☛ https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/05/california-law-enforcement-now-needs-approval-military-grade-surveillance | Source: EFF | May 13 07:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | California Law Enforcement Now Needs Approval for Military-Grade Surveillance Equipment. We'll Be Watching. | Electronic Frontier Foundation | May 13 07:41 | |
| matey | and id still use a monitor, but i do tasks even now where turning a projector on would be amazing | May 13 07:41 |
| matey | i dont presently own one | May 13 07:41 |
| matey | ive used a few | May 13 07:41 |
| matey | a combination of preferring used hardware and hard-to-find bulbs is a real drawback | May 13 07:42 |
| techrights-news | Wow, EFF has a new slant on free speech. Read this. See what EFF makes of free speech... (partisan bullshit from CohnPAC) ☛ https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/05/blow-free-speech-texas-unconstitutional-social-media-law-allowed-proceed-pending | Source: EFF | May 13 07:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | In a Blow to Free Speech, Texas’ Social Media Law Allowed to Proceed Pending Appeal | Electronic Frontier Foundation | May 13 07:42 | |
| techrights-news | "software pants" ☛ https://hackaday.com/2022/05/12/why-get-dressed-when-there-are-software-pants/ | Source: Hackaday | May 13 07:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Why Get Dressed When There Are Software Pants? | Hackaday | May 13 07:42 | |
| matey | also those fuckers probably have a lot of mercury (by comparison) | May 13 07:42 |
| matey | so if youre using something else for (sound, justifiable) environmental reasons, i totally respect that | May 13 07:43 |
| techrights-news | EFF: partisan politics instead of tech substance. Personal projects rather than principles. Attacking Wikileaks and RMS... for the wrong reasons. | May 13 07:43 |
| matey | i know most green stuff is bs, but at least some decisions (like reusing what would be e-waste) are sound | May 13 07:43 |
| techrights-news | "Every generation has an instrument which defines its sound, and for those whose formative musical years lie in the 1980s, a very strong contender to the crown is the Roland TR-808 percussion synthesizer." ☛ https://hackaday.com/2022/05/12/how-the-roland-808-cowbell-worked/ | Source: Hackaday | May 13 07:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How The Roland 808 Cowbell Worked | Hackaday | May 13 07:47 | |
| techrights-news | "Florida and Texas both passed blatantly unconstitutional laws limiting the ability of social media websites to moderate." ☛ https://www.techdirt.com/2022/05/12/the-5th-circuit-reinstates-texas-obviously-unconstitutional-social-media-law-effective-immediately/ | Source: Techdirt | May 13 07:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The 5th Circuit Reinstates Texas’ Obviously Unconstitutional Social Media Law Effective Immediately | Techdirt | May 13 07:47 | |
| techrights-news | Texas ☛ https://www.techdirt.com/2022/05/12/just-how-incredibly-fucked-up-is-texas-social-media-content-moderation-law/ | Source: Techdirt | May 13 07:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Just How Incredibly Fucked Up Is Texas’ Social Media Content Moderation Law? | Techdirt | May 13 07:47 | |
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| techrights-news | "Anyone who’s ever assembled a PCB full of tiny SMD parts will have found that tweezers are not always the best tool" ☛ https://hackaday.com/2022/05/12/hackaday-prize-2022-salvaged-pumps-and-hoses-make-a-neat-vacuum-pickup-tool/ | Source: Hackaday | May 13 07:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Hackaday Prize 2022: Salvaged Pumps And Hoses Make A Neat Vacuum Pickup Tool | Hackaday | May 13 07:53 | |
| techrights-news | "Nine years ago, MakerBot was acquired by Stratasys in a deal worth slightly north of $600 million." ☛ https://hackaday.com/2022/05/12/makerbot-and-ultimaker-to-merge-focus-on-industry/ | Source: Hackaday | May 13 07:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-MakerBot And Ultimaker To Merge, Focus On Industry | Hackaday | May 13 07:54 | |
| techrights-news | "dedication to bridging the digital divide" ☛ https://www.techdirt.com/2022/05/12/heres-a-map-of-states-that-had-to-map-u-s-broadband-due-to-federal-corruption-and-incompetence/ | Source: Techdirt | May 13 07:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Here’s A Map Of States That Had To Map U.S. Broadband Due To Federal Corruption And Incompetence | Techdirt | May 13 07:54 | |
| techrights-news | "warrantless long-term surveillance" ☛ https://www.techdirt.com/2022/05/12/kansas-federal-court-says-ten-weeks-of-pole-camera-surveillance-isnt-a-constitutional-violation/ | Source: Techdirt | May 13 07:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Kansas Federal Court Says Ten Weeks Of Pole Camera Surveillance Isn’t A Constitutional Violation | Techdirt | May 13 07:55 | |
| techrights-news | People who protest mass surveillance from a "smart" phone are like the people who protest capitalism while sipping $5 cups of coffee at Starbucks (to plan their "actions"). | May 13 07:56 |
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| techrights-news | "No matter your project or field of endeavor, simulation is a useful tool for finding out what you don’t know." ☛ https://hackaday.com/2022/05/12/can-you-help-nasa-build-a-mars-sim-in-vr/ | Source: Hackaday | May 13 07:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Can You Help NASA Build A Mars Sim In VR? | Hackaday | May 13 07:58 | |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▄▅▄▂▃▄▇▄▅▆▄▅▃▄▅▆▅▅▄▅▂▃▄▄▃▆▄▇▃▄▄▃▂▄▅▅▅▅▅▁ avg(k/sec) 22.13 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▂▃▂▁▂▁▁▂▁▂▂▁▂▂▁▁█▁▁▁▁▁▁▂▁▁▂▁▂█▁▁▁▁▂▁▂▁ avg(k/sec) 19.35▕ swarm size (avg): 431.73 ⟲ | May 13 07:59 |
| techrights-news | "More than 10 years ago (2010) aboutbsd.net was created for scratching my need for BSD related news" ☛ http://aboutbsd.net/?page_id=26661 | | May 13 08:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-aboutbsd.net | All Good Things Must Come to An End | Blogging All About BSD | May 13 08:08 | |
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| techrights-news | "Spring. Flowers. Hay fever. Linux distros aplenty." ☛ https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/kubuntu-jammy.html | Source: Dedoimedo | May 13 08:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dedoimedo.com | Kubuntu 22.04 Jammy Jellyfish review - Okay, not LTS-y enough | May 13 08:10 | |
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| techrights-news | "For YouTuber Jroobi, merely walking up to his front door, inserting a key into the lock and turning the handle was too simple" ☛ https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/05/11/this-special-front-door-controller-has-several-ways-to-unlock-it/ | Source: Arduino | May 13 08:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.arduino.cc | This special front door controller can be unlocked in several ways | Arduino Blog | May 13 08:11 | |
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| techrights-news | "Well, the new 64MP 'Hawk-Eye' Pi camera takes the same autofocus system and straps it to an ultra-high-res 64 megapixel sensor" ☛ https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2022/64-megapixel-hawk-eye-brings-high-res-imaging-pi | Source: Jeff Geerling | May 13 08:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jeffgeerling.com | 64 megapixel 'Hawk-Eye' brings high-res imaging to the Pi | Jeff Geerling | May 13 08:11 | |
| techrights-news | "This revision supports two alternate footprints for the CAN-FD transceiver to better support component availability and refines the power stage for the DRV8353 gate driver." ☛ https://jpieper.com/2022/05/11/moteus-r4-11/ | Source: J Pieper | May 13 08:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jpieper.com | moteus r4.11 | A Modicum of Fun | May 13 08:12 | |
| techrights-news | "Intel latest processors have new instruction sets (AVX-512) that are quite powerful." ☛ https://lemire.me/blog/2022/05/06/fast-bitset-decoding-using-intel-avx-512/ | Source: Daniel Lemire | May 13 08:12 |
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| techrights-news | "At least two readers (Kim Walisch and Jatin Bhateja) pointed out that you could do better if you used the very latest AVX-512 instructions available on Intel processors with the Ice Lake or Tiger Lake microarchitectures." ☛ https://lemire.me/blog/2022/05/10/faster-bitset-decoding-using-intel-avx-512/ | Source: Daniel Lemire | May 13 08:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 520 @ https://lemire.me/blog/2022/05/10/faster-bitset-decoding-using-intel-avx-512/ ) | May 13 08:12 | |
| techrights-news | "In this article we will describe how we enabled basic telephony support on the Pinephone." ☛ https://genodians.org/ssumpf/2022-05-09-telephony | | May 13 08:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-genodians.org | Pine fun - Telephony (_Roger, Roger_?) | May 13 08:12 | |
| techrights-news | Fedora Media Writer: World-Class LIVE USB Creator [Tutorial] • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164793 | May 13 08:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora Media Writer: World-Class LIVE USB Creator [Tutorial] | Tux Machines | May 13 08:13 | |
| techrights-news | "Having dealt with implementing dark mode myself, my second reaction was: wait, this should be part of the browser!" ☛ https://blog.jim-nielsen.com/2022/browser-level-color-scheme-preference/ | Source: Jim Nielsen | May 13 08:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.jim-nielsen.com | Rationale for a Browser-Level Color Scheme Preference - Jim Nielsen’s Blog | May 13 08:13 | |
| techrights-news | "These colors weren’t really any safer since they’d be double-quantized on different palettes." ☛ https://idiomdrottning.org/link-colors | Source: Idiomdrottning | May 13 08:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-idiomdrottning.org | Why are links blue and purple? | May 13 08:13 | |
| techrights-news | There is a "supply chain" CRISIS IN SOFTWARE!!!! Say companies that work for the NSA. LOL! | May 13 08:15 |
| techrights-news | "Netflix already raised prices earlier this year, and with inflation at a 40-year high" ☛ https://variety.com/vip/why-a-password-sharing-crackdown-wont-help-netflix-much-1235264329/ | Source: Variety | May 13 08:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Why a Password-Sharing Crackdown Won't Help Netflix Much - Variety | May 13 08:20 | |
| techrights-news | "rapper wields the controversial technology to transform into Will Smith, Jussie Smollett" ☛ https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/digital/does-kendrick-lamar-run-afoul-of-copyright-law-by-using-deepfakes-in-the-heart-part-5-1235145596/ | Source: Hollywood Reporter | May 13 08:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.hollywoodreporter.com | Deepfakes and Copyright Law in Kendrick Lamar’s “The Heart Part 5”? – The Hollywood Reporter | May 13 08:20 | |
| techrights-news | [Old] "The Right of Publicity concerns itself with the right to control the commercial use of one’s identity." ☛ https://rightofpublicity.com/brief-history-of-rop | | May 13 08:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rightofpublicity.com | Right Of Publicity » A Concise History of the Right of Publicity | May 13 08:20 | |
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| techrights-news | "In programming, in contrast, we rarely talk about our influences" ☛ https://tratt.net/laurie/blog/2022/programming_style_influences.html | Source: Lawrence Tratt | May 13 08:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tratt.net | Laurence Tratt: Programming Style Influences | May 13 08:21 | |
| techrights-news | "Why do we need this in the first place? Unfortunately standard AWK doesn’t have a way to handle CSV files with quoted fields" ☛ https://benhoyt.com/writings/goawk-csv/?m | Source: Ben Hoyt | May 13 08:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-benhoyt.com | Modernizing AWK, a 45-year old language, by adding CSV support | May 13 08:22 | |
| techrights-news | [Old] "AWK is a text-processing language with a history spanning more than 40 years." ☛ https://lwn.net/Articles/820829/ | Source: LWN | May 13 08:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The state of the AWK [LWN.net] | May 13 08:22 | |
| techrights-news | "Python packages like pandas have several ways to work with data" ☛ https://www.r-bloggers.com/2022/05/three-packages-that-port-the-tidyverse-to-python/ | Source: Rlang | May 13 08:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Three packages that port the tidyverse to Python | R-bloggers | May 13 08:22 | |
| techrights-news | "In each case the key is the collaboration." ☛ https://www.sicpers.info/2022/05/on-interviewing-and-generalist-software-engineers/ | Source: SICP | May 13 08:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.sicpers.info | On interviewing and generalist software engineers | Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programmers | May 13 08:23 | |
| techrights-news | "The actual quality of the courses was a bit of a mixed bag." ☛ https://sporks.space/2022/05/11/my-experience-at-community-college/ | Source: The Sporks Space | May 13 08:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sporks.space | My experience at community college - the sporks space | May 13 08:23 | |
| techrights-news | "Let’s talk about a career in tech, but not the usual boring stuff about salary or how to pass the interview process at the place with the most oversized comp packages" ☛ https://earthly.dev/blog/line-staff/ | Source: Earthly | May 13 08:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-earthly.dev | The Other Kind of Staff Software Engineer - Earthly Blog | May 13 08:23 | |
| techrights-news | Links 12/05/2022: AlmaLinux OS 8.6 and LibreOffice 7.2.7 | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/05/12/libreoffice-7-2-7/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/12/libreoffice-7-2-7/ | May 13 08:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 12/05/2022: AlmaLinux OS 8.6 and LibreOffice 7.2.7 | Techrights | May 13 08:29 | |
| techrights-news | "Take Bill Gates. Forget all the conspiracy theories about Gates and vaccines – it's bizarre that people bother to make up those fairy-tales when the truth is so much worse." ☛ https://pluralistic.net/2022/05/11/a-dent-in-the-universe/#eminently-guillotineable | Source: CoryDoctorow | May 13 08:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pluralistic.net | Pluralistic: 11 May 2022 – Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow | May 13 08:32 | |
| techrights-news | Windows TCO: "Finland should brace for Russian cyber attacks" ☛ https://yle.fi/news/3-12443701 | Source: YLE | May 13 08:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yle.fi | Finland should brace for Russian cyber attacks, Traficom says | News | Yle Uutiset | May 13 08:33 | |
| techrights-news | "QR codes have been in the news recently, and for good reason" ☛ https://blog.bithole.dev/discord-qr-phish.html | Source: Adriaan Zhang | May 13 08:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.bithole.dev | Discord QR Code Phishing | May 13 08:33 | |
| techrights-news | "Notwithstanding its exit from the European Union, the British police will remain a member of a Standing Heads of Lawful Interception Units based at Europol." ☛ https://digit.site36.net/2022/05/12/encrypted-communication-britain-remains-member-of-eu-interception-group/ | Source: Site36 | May 13 08:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-digit.site36.net | Encrypted communication: UK remains member of EU interception group – Security Architectures in the EU | May 13 08:36 | |
| techrights-news | "The GnuPG command line tool gpg is the most popular implementation of the OpenPGP specification." ☛ https://sequoia-pgp.org/blog/2022/05/11/202205-sq-gpg-comparison/ | Source: SequoiaPGP | May 13 08:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sequoia-pgp.org | Blog - sq feature comparison with gpg | May 13 08:37 | |
| techrights-news | "oh wow yeah this looks so clean & stripped down from all the bloated pages out there" ☛ https://idiomdrottning.org/better-website | Source: Idiomdrottning | May 13 08:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-idiomdrottning.org | Better Website | May 13 08:37 | |
| techrights-news | "Georgetown has a new report on the highly secretive bulk surveillance activities of ICE in the US: [...]" ☛ https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/05/ice-is-a-domestic-surveillance-agency.html | Source: Bruce Schneier | May 13 08:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ICE Is a Domestic Surveillance Agency - Schneier on Security | May 13 08:37 | |
| techrights-news | "leading the effort to expose and dissever ICE’s American dragnet." ☛ https://americandragnet.org/ | | May 13 08:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-americandragnet.org | American Dragnet | Data-Driven Deportation in the 21st Century | May 13 08:37 | |
| techrights-news | "That’s why this tip comes in hand." [sic] ☛ https://afhub.dev/2022/05/10/remove-metadata-from-photos-on-iphone/ | Source: Andre Franca | May 13 08:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-afhub.dev | Remove metadata from photos on iphone | May 13 08:37 | |
| techrights-news | "EU Commissioner Ylva Johannson announced a new law to combat online child sex abuse." ☛ https://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2022/05/11/european-commission-prefers-breaking-privacy-to-protecting-kids/ | Source: Light Blue Touchpaper | May 13 08:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.lightbluetouchpaper.org | European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids | Light Blue Touchpaper | May 13 08:37 | |
| techrights-news | Games: Stellaris 3.4, Steam Deck, and More • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164794 | May 13 08:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Stellaris 3.4, Steam Deck, and More | Tux Machines | May 13 08:39 | |
| techrights-news | IRC Proceedings: Thursday, May 12, 2022 | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/05/13/irc-log-120522/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/13/irc-log-120522/ | May 13 08:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Thursday, May 12, 2022 | Techrights | May 13 08:42 | |
| techrights-news | "Below the fold I look this gift horse in the mouth." ☛ https://blog.dshr.org/2022/05/a-blockchain-certificate-of-deposit.html | Source: David Rosenthal | May 13 08:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.dshr.org | DSHR's Blog: A "Blockchain Certificate of Deposit" | May 13 08:43 | |
| matey | one of my favourite people on youtube (no i wont say who, because at the moment i dont want to promote, im still evaluating him and i dont want another dt-like disappointment, though on youtube its always a hazard) is dissing hyperbola as impossible and ill-advised | May 13 08:57 |
| matey | i actually think his argument is well-intended and theres SOME reason to it | May 13 08:58 |
| matey | im not endorsing this argument, im only defending the person making it. | May 13 08:58 |
| techrights-news | "Here is Agrawal’s memo to employees in its entirety: [...]" ☛ https://www.theverge.com/2022/5/12/23068985/twitter-memo-parag-agrawal-firing-execs-hiring-freeze | Source: The Verge | May 13 08:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Here’s Twitter CEO Parag Agrawal’s memo about firing execs and a hiring freeze - The Verge | May 13 08:58 | |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▅▆▄▁▅▆▆▄▅▆▅▅▄▅▆▄▅▄▇▇▅▃▃▅▇▅▇▇▆▆▅▄▁ avg(k/sec) 25.76 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▁▂▁▁▂▂▂▁▃▁▂▁▂▁▂▂▁▁▂▂▂▁▁▁▂▂▂▁▁▁▁▂▁▂▁ avg(k/sec) 15.08▕ swarm size (avg): 428.80 ⟲ | May 13 08:59 |
| techrights-news | "The paper proposes Nine Pillars of Digital Justice, the first three of which are preconditions, and the the latter are rights." ☛ https://rubenerd.com/tnls-nine-pillars-of-digital-justice/ | Source: Ruben Schade | May 13 08:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Rubenerd: TNL’s Nine Pillars of Digital Justice | May 13 08:59 | |
| matey | hyperbolabsd is the closest thing under the fsf umbrella that has any chance (> 0) of moving free software forward, rather than backwards or in circles. | May 13 08:59 |
| techrights-news | "If we did that, we'd have to send him back to Germany." ☛ https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/the-front-page-10-years-on-why-is-kim-dotcom-still-in-nz/V4EI36PFIYLS7YHYJGLQ73JWHY/ | Source: New Zealand Herald | May 13 08:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nzherald.co.nz | The Front Page: 10 years on - Why is Kim Dotcom still in NZ? - NZ Herald | May 13 08:59 | |
| matey | it deserves a fair shake. unfortunately its sort of a ginger stepchild, caught between two worlds | May 13 08:59 |
| matey | openbsd will never support it, because theo (and crew) dont believe in the gpl | May 13 09:00 |
| techrights-news | "Lawyers acting for former Megaupload coders Bram van der Kolk and Mathias Ortmann" ☛ https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/megaupload-case-deal-done-now-only-kim-dotcom-facing-extradition-prospect-of-united-states-prison-cell/W666X7JXMDOUYVPVRTWIWEOPNQ/ | Source: New Zealand Herald | May 13 09:00 |
| matey | note that theo de raadt makes the BEST arguments against the gpl ive ever heard | May 13 09:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nzherald.co.nz | Megaupload case: Deal done, now only Kim Dotcom facing extradition, prospect of United States prison cell - NZ Herald | May 13 09:00 | |
| techrights-news | "we have reached an agreement with the New Zealand Government" ☛ https://www.independent.co.uk/news/kim-dotcom-ap-new-zealand-megaupload-wellington-b2075299.html | Source: The Independent UK | May 13 09:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.independent.co.uk | 2 make deal, leaving just Kim Dotcom facing US extradition | The Independent | May 13 09:00 | |
| matey | (im sceptical that he knows what hes talking about) | May 13 09:00 |
| techrights-news | "The deal by former Megaupload officers Mathias Ortmann and Bram van der Kolk" ☛ https://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/kim-dotcom-faces-u-s-extradition-after-pair-make-deal-1.5896063 | Source: CTV News | May 13 09:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Resolving timed out after 10517 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/kim-dotcom-faces-u-s-extradition-after-pair-make-deal-1.5896063 ) | May 13 09:00 | |
| techrights-news | "Following the Russian invasion on February 24, Ukraine's fibre optic or cellular communication infrastructure connections were severed." ☛ https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/digital-security/russia-ramping-up-cyber-attacks-against-starlink-musk/91516169 | Source: India Times | May 13 09:01 |
| matey | my approach to the gpl is scientific. we need more data. if people want to use gpl im NOT against it. | May 13 09:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com | starlink: Russia ramping up cyber attacks against Starlink: Musk, CIO News, ET CIO | May 13 09:01 | |
| matey | ive used it. i prefer 3 to 2. | May 13 09:01 |
| techrights-news | "I need to believe that the world isn’t full of people eager to create more pain for a bereaved parent" ☛ https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/11/opinion/vaccines-antivaxxers-pregnancy.html | Source: New York Times | May 13 09:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Opinion | I Lost My Baby. Then Antivaxxers Made My Pain Go Viral. - The New York Times | May 13 09:01 | |
| matey | unlike with linux, stuck at gpl 2, we COULD fork the openbsd kernel and make it gpl 3 or later. | May 13 09:01 |
| techrights-news | "The manual recommends that activists locate C.P.C.s near abortion facilities," ☛ https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/05/12/opinion/crisis-pregnancy-centers-roe.html | Source: New York Times | May 13 09:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Opinion | Pregnant? Need Help? They Have an Agenda. - The New York Times | May 13 09:01 | |
| matey | some people here are worried about "or later" under a failing fsf regime. theres reason in that argument as well. | May 13 09:02 |
| matey | i dont conflate reason with realism, or a good argument with a sound conclusion. | May 13 09:02 |
| techrights-news | "The House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Crisis has found that major U.S. meat processors made “baseless” claims about meat shortages in order to convince the Trump administration to issue an executive order to keep plants operating as Covid-19 was ravaging the nation in the spring of 2020." ☛ https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-administration-meat-producers-covid-19-1352405/ | Source: Rolling Sto | May 13 09:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rollingstone.com | Meat Producers, Trump Admin. Lied about Shortages to Keep Plants Open - Rolling Stone | May 13 09:02 | |
| matey | i dont think we have the answers to these questions yet-- but most people act like these are solved problems | May 13 09:02 |
| matey | the matter of permissive vs copyleft is NOT solved yet-- we DONT have a winner | May 13 09:02 |
| matey | i think its going to be years (minimum) before we honestly know which one is REALLY better | May 13 09:03 |
| matey | i think if we start with a healthy fsf, the gpl is probably the best bet-- 3 or later | May 13 09:03 |
| matey | without a healthy fsf, i dont think we have enough data yet. | May 13 09:03 |
| techrights-news | "Today, the European Commission presented publicly for the first time an EU draft law on mandatory chat control." ☛ https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/eu-chat-control-bill-fundamental-rights-terrorism-against-trust-self-determination-and-security-on-the-internet/ | Source: Patrick Breyer | May 13 09:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.patrick-breyer.de | EU chat control bill: fundamental rights terrorism against trust, self-determination and security on the Internet – Patrick Breyer | May 13 09:03 | |
| techrights-news | "E-reader apps haven’t replaced printed books, which schools and libraries often still buy because they own the paper versions, whereas e-books are licensed from publishers for a set period of time." ☛ https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/library-apps-book-ban-schools-conservative-parents-rcna26103 | Source: NBC | May 13 09:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nbcnews.com | Book ban efforts by conservative parents take aim at library apps | May 13 09:03 | |
| matey | that doesnt mean everyone should just switch to permissive. | May 13 09:04 |
| matey | the best arguments FOR the gpl come not from the fsf, actually, but from the original makers of x11. | May 13 09:04 |
| matey | people should be more familiar with this debate. its not in any way one-sided | May 13 09:04 |
| techrights-news | Politicians: we need to spy on everything on the Web and social control media to stop terrorists. As if terrorists coordinate terror attacks in Twitter "private messages...." | May 13 09:05 |
| matey | note that this sort of rant started about hyperbolabsd. thats important context | May 13 09:05 |
| matey | with no support from openbsd, and no support (only technical approval) from the fsf | May 13 09:05 |
| matey | hyperbolabsd deserves its day in the court of public opinion, WITHOUT the obvious biases from theo or even rms. | May 13 09:06 |
| matey | a fair trial, so to speak | May 13 09:06 |
| matey | it hasnt had that yet | May 13 09:06 |
| matey | and yet its the best opportunity, for a fork of openbsd that is more free and even more friendly | May 13 09:07 |
| matey | a better os than gnu/penguinshit. | May 13 09:07 |
| matey | but its never easy to say that in the early days-- like when gnu first chose an impossible kernel (it is) | May 13 09:07 |
| matey | and then got saddled with the kanye west of kernels, which would lead to the destruction of the project | May 13 09:08 |
| matey | if you want gnu to survive, in some form, | May 13 09:08 |
| matey | hyperbola COULD be the best (at least the most obvious) route away from the destruction and towards something useful | May 13 09:08 |
| matey | but like gnu itself, originally | May 13 09:08 |
| matey | the best things are a long shot | May 13 09:08 |
| matey | a moonshot. | May 13 09:08 |
| matey | if youre looking for a userfriendly way to get to the moon | May 13 09:08 |
| matey | in the late 1960s, no less | May 13 09:09 |
| matey | youre fucked, sorry. | May 13 09:09 |
| matey | grand goals require grand efforts. | May 13 09:09 |
| matey | if youre content with mediocrity and fatal compromise, theres "always" gnu/linux | May 13 09:09 |
| matey | a microsoft joint. have fun with that. | May 13 09:09 |
| matey | otherwise, theres a frontier ahead. | May 13 09:10 |
| matey | its not cozy, its not (always) comfortable | May 13 09:10 |
| matey | though it is seriously a (major) relief to get away from ALL THAT BULLSHIT with gnu/penguinshit | May 13 09:10 |
| matey | which was fucking awful. | May 13 09:10 |
| matey | note that my own associates (whom i believe in, long term) | May 13 09:10 |
| matey | do not rely on hyperbolabsd or even openbsd to succeed. | May 13 09:11 |
| matey | it doesnt hinge on that. | May 13 09:11 |
| matey | and yet, i think right now, openbsd is one avenue that provides a route BACK towards users controlling their computing | May 13 09:11 |
| matey | if you want to be pure about it-- all you have to do is NOT USE NON-FREE FIRMWARE | May 13 09:12 |
| matey | then, leah (and many others, including de raadt) will tell you not to worry SO MUCH about non-free firmware either | May 13 09:12 |
| matey | its a very nuanced and sometimes complicated argument | May 13 09:12 |
| matey | because shunning non-free firmware arguably JUST ISNT working as a road to MORE freedom | May 13 09:13 |
| matey | with drivers, openbsd has no non-free drivers. none. | May 13 09:13 |
| matey | they dont want to write and rewrite firmware, and theyre only one project. one os. not a movement. | May 13 09:13 |
| matey | the fsf policy on firmware is putting people on old hardware, in a way that isnt nearly as true for free drivers. | May 13 09:14 |
| matey | id much rather be a purist about it. thats EXACTLY why hyperbolabsd should get more attention. | May 13 09:14 |
| matey | theyre the ones standing for no non-free firmware in a real os. | May 13 09:15 |
| matey | as someone who would much rather be a purist about it... | May 13 09:15 |
| matey | when all the people who understand hardware and that side of things are saying-- even people who are worthy of better awards than the free software award | May 13 09:16 |
| matey | this wont work | May 13 09:16 |
| matey | we should hear them out | May 13 09:16 |
| matey | i dont even LIKE what im hearing | May 13 09:17 |
| matey | i dont LIKE global warming | May 13 09:17 |
| matey | id prefer that we could just keep flushing the planet down the toilet and you know, it would be just fine | May 13 09:18 |
| matey | that would be nice | May 13 09:18 |
| techrights-news | Moosync - music player • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164795 | May 13 09:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Moosync - music player | Tux Machines | May 13 09:18 | |
| matey | id prefer that we could just source an endless supply of nazi laptops from 2008 and use those for fsdg compliance, you know | May 13 09:18 |
| matey | and put hyperbola on them, and be totally fucking free | May 13 09:18 |
| matey | IF IT WORKS | May 13 09:18 |
| matey | i dont believe that if a movement fails at something | May 13 09:19 |
| matey | and it REALLY DOES | May 13 09:19 |
| matey | we should prop it up with marketing and bullshit-- i dont believe in that | May 13 09:19 |
| matey | its why i hate the fsf | May 13 09:19 |
| matey | theyre lying and bullshitting. | May 13 09:19 |
| matey | you know what you get when you lie and bullshit for freedom? | May 13 09:19 |
| matey | you get fake freedom. you get non-freedom. you get bullshit freedom. | May 13 09:20 |
| matey | thats what we have. | May 13 09:20 |
| matey | so if something fails-- and im being specific here, about firmware | May 13 09:20 |
| matey | id rather consider someone reasonable but honest | May 13 09:20 |
| matey | over someone idealistic (even if theyre MY ideals) but also full of shit. | May 13 09:20 |
| matey | the fsf is full of shit. | May 13 09:21 |
| matey | free software (of the fully free variety) is what i want | May 13 09:21 |
| matey | i want free hardware TOO. not instead. | May 13 09:21 |
| matey | how can we get there? | May 13 09:21 |
| matey | people who are content to be told, to be lied to, to hear a NICE STORY | May 13 09:21 |
| matey | they can go with the fsf. | May 13 09:21 |
| matey | with that said-- as a ginger stepchild, hyperbola has less motive to bullshit people | May 13 09:22 |
| matey | i havent seen them pushing kool-aid on anyone (unless you consider trying to remove non-free firmware kool-aid. i dont, depending on how you push it) | May 13 09:22 |
| matey | so if hyperbola is the only honest part of the fsf left | May 13 09:23 |
| matey | and i think it probably is | May 13 09:23 |
| matey | and theyre not really part of the fsf | May 13 09:23 |
| matey | more like an offshoot project | May 13 09:23 |
| matey | an offshoot gnu, even. | May 13 09:23 |
| matey | theyre just trying too hard to do too good thing for people to fucking ignore them this way | May 13 09:23 |
| matey | unless theyre bullshit-- which i havent seen yet | May 13 09:24 |
| techrights-news | "Ah, this takes me back. I got my first computer back in 1984, and if I wanted to know anything about it I was on my own. Google didn't exist (the public Internet didn't exist at the time). I didn't have anyone I could ask about computer related things" gemini://gemini.conman.org/boston/2022/05/12.2 | May 13 09:24 |
| matey | so really, really, hyperbola needs a fairer shake | May 13 09:24 |
| matey | even if it takes them another 5 years to make a simple install iso for hyperbola bsd | May 13 09:24 |
| matey | what theyre trying to do is so ideal, it would be worth the wait | May 13 09:24 |
| matey | i understand that it might go nowhere | May 13 09:25 |
| matey | i think the people there are better than the people making devuan | May 13 09:25 |
| techrights-news | Sane YouTube FPS on FireFox on OpenBSD gemini://gemini.clehaxze.tw/gemlog/2022/05-13-sane-youtube-fps-on-firefox-on-openbsd.gmi | May 13 09:25 |
| matey | and devuan is a joke. | May 13 09:25 |
| matey | a joke i gave money and equipment to (well, thats more true than not) | May 13 09:25 |
| techrights-news | "The last two years of covid lockdown and stuff was extremely painful and isolating for me and i only just now feel like I’m mentally calibrated and getting back on track emotionally" gemini://alex.flounder.online/journal.gmi | May 13 09:26 |
| matey | i gave it to one of their developers for a closely (99%) related os project. | May 13 09:26 |
| matey | but devuan is still a joke | May 13 09:26 |
| matey | its become one | May 13 09:26 |
| matey | it became one too quickly | May 13 09:26 |
| matey | and hyperbolabsd hasnt, unless you consider it simply too ambitious | May 13 09:26 |
| matey | which to be fair (to the critics) is exactly the problem hurd had | May 13 09:27 |
| matey | it is a different kind of ambitious though. | May 13 09:27 |
| matey | hurd has a templeos-like quality to it | May 13 09:27 |
| activelow | which is? | May 13 09:27 |
| matey | in that the design is insane, and complicated, and the justification seems a bit pie-in-the-sky | May 13 09:27 |
| matey | after all these years i think its mostly tied to x86, but ive heard mitigations, but i dont think they mitigate anything completely | May 13 09:28 |
| matey | i think realistically, practically, youre stuck with x86-- a platform that is dying but wont die soon enough | May 13 09:28 |
| matey | on top of the fact that its impossible to find people (especially good people) who can bring hurd forward | May 13 09:29 |
| matey | so linux took over. oops. really, the fsf should have treated bsd, NOT linux, as an ally | May 13 09:29 |
| matey | since they both know what its like to be overshadowed by an absolute cunt from finland. | May 13 09:30 |
| activelow | apropos... struggling with termcaps, and vi currently | May 13 09:30 |
| matey | linux is a twat of a kernel, and the people who represent it, are only trying to sell apple. | May 13 09:30 |
| activelow | decided to ditch Vim, trying elvis... and lurking into nvi now which i scrape from gentoo archive | May 13 09:30 |
| matey | for fucks sake | May 13 09:30 |
| matey | this is the hill the fsf wants to, will, die on | May 13 09:30 |
| matey | they want to die for the same bullshit that exploited them and then took them hostage. | May 13 09:31 |
| matey | failed software foundation. | May 13 09:31 |
| techrights-news | ONLYOFFICE Docs v7.1 released: ARM compatibility, PDF to DOCX conversion, Print preview in spreadsheets and more • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164796 | May 13 09:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | ONLYOFFICE Docs v7.1 released: ARM compatibility, PDF to DOCX conversion, Print preview in spreadsheets and more | Tux Machines | May 13 09:31 | |
| activelow | tbh. i really think gnome isn't, how should i say, something to keep | May 13 09:31 |
| matey | hyperbola isnt trying to reinvent the kernel, and is unlike hurd that way | May 13 09:31 |
| matey | rather, as the fsf should be doing | May 13 09:32 |
| matey | hyperbolas insanity is to simply take something good and useful and try to make it more free | May 13 09:32 |
| activelow | and whatever else, gcc, ... | May 13 09:32 |
| matey | and free software is so sold out, aimless and upside-down | May 13 09:32 |
| matey | it cant appreciate the only people trying to do what the fsf USED to do | May 13 09:32 |
| matey | instead, stallman goes on lieplanet 2022b and says "if we had more people" | May 13 09:33 |
| matey | if we had more people | May 13 09:33 |
| matey | then we could do something | May 13 09:33 |
| matey | what does hyperbola say | May 13 09:33 |
| matey | even if we dont have more people, we will just keep trying | May 13 09:33 |
| matey | free software didnt start with many people | May 13 09:34 |
| matey | but it stood for something | May 13 09:34 |
| matey | now it stands for nothing, but it has more people | May 13 09:34 |
| matey | hyperbola: its not much, but its honest | May 13 09:34 |
| matey | fsf: its not honest, but its (still not much) | May 13 09:34 |
| matey | its fucking backwards that people give money to have people silence, smear and lie to them. | May 13 09:35 |
| matey | they give money to lieplanet-36 | May 13 09:35 |
| matey | but they wont even give an HONEST EVALUATION of hyperbola | May 13 09:35 |
| matey | they dont care | May 13 09:35 |
| matey | free software is MOSTLY bullshit at this point | May 13 09:35 |
| matey | but, since the alternatives are MORE bullshit | May 13 09:35 |
| techrights-news | All Good Things Must Come to An End | Blogging All About BSD • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164797 | May 13 09:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | All Good Things Must Come to An End | Blogging All About BSD | Tux Machines | May 13 09:35 | |
| matey | and free software is a very important cause | May 13 09:36 |
| techrights-news | Google #Android Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164798 | May 13 09:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | May 13 09:36 | |
| matey | the only REAL hope it has is to look for various efforts that CONTINUE to actually stand for anything | May 13 09:36 |
| matey | and support those-- AT LEAST with information, if not money and equipment. | May 13 09:36 |
| matey | its literally the least a real movement can do | May 13 09:36 |
| matey | instead, | May 13 09:36 |
| matey | it contends itself with mediocrity and lies. | May 13 09:37 |
| matey | bravo, lieplanet. | May 13 09:37 |
| matey | youre fucking frauds. | May 13 09:37 |
| matey | but hey | May 13 09:37 |
| matey | so are most people these days | May 13 09:37 |
| matey | most organisations | May 13 09:37 |
| matey | lying to people, so theyll be suckers who spread lies. | May 13 09:37 |
| matey | suckers who believe theres nothing better on the horizon | May 13 09:37 |
| matey | theres not much, its true | May 13 09:38 |
| matey | but id take something better over nothing better ever again. | May 13 09:38 |
| matey | instead, we get lieplanet and the fsf? | May 13 09:38 |
| matey | that makes no sense. keep looking. | May 13 09:38 |
| matey | and if people wont give hyperbola a fair shake | May 13 09:38 |
| matey | someone at least, should try harder to see to it that they do. | May 13 09:38 |
| matey | at least part of this is hyperbolas fault | May 13 09:39 |
| matey | they REALLY REALLY *REALLY* suck at self-promotion | May 13 09:39 |
| matey | which is, it should be noted, what they used to say about the fsf | May 13 09:39 |
| matey | today, self-promotion is about all the fsf even does | May 13 09:39 |
| matey | a typical fate for an old 501c3 | May 13 09:39 |
| matey | we can do better | May 13 09:40 |
| matey | what choice do we have | May 13 09:40 |
| matey | on the other side of the argument | May 13 09:41 |
| matey | just to be fair (read: honest) to the shorter-long-road-to-free-firmware people | May 13 09:42 |
| matey | the ones who dont think "just use an old thinkpad" is a road to a free-firmware future | May 13 09:42 |
| matey | their argument isnt only more nuanced | May 13 09:43 |
| matey | its also (clearly) more informed | May 13 09:43 |
| matey | and they too (like hyperbola | May 13 09:43 |
| matey | deserve a fair trial in the court of public opnion (even if the public obviously sucks at this) | May 13 09:43 |
| matey | these are solutions to the same problem, coming from opposite methodologies | May 13 09:44 |
| activelow | seems nvi editor hasn't got unicode... | May 13 09:44 |
| matey | until we have more data | May 13 09:44 |
| matey | both deserve better evaluation | May 13 09:44 |
| matey | the fsf wont bother | May 13 09:44 |
| matey | theyre happy to go in circles until the money stops coming | May 13 09:45 |
| matey | theyre going to go back to corporate sponsors | May 13 09:45 |
| matey | i mean | May 13 09:45 |
| matey | they still shill for corporate bullshit as much as ever before | May 13 09:46 |
| matey | if theyre not getting paid for it, thats progress in a sense | May 13 09:46 |
| matey | but all the shills they welcome and support | May 13 09:46 |
| matey | i mean, hooray for not taking bribes. | May 13 09:46 |
| matey | boo for bringing identical results, to the results it would bring if you DID take bribes. | May 13 09:47 |
| matey | i dont know what more needs to be said about the fsf for people to have a fucking clue | May 13 09:47 |
| matey | maybe you can just hand out cluebats with a diagram of how to use it | May 13 09:47 |
| matey | and hope that people find a way to hit themselves with it. | May 13 09:47 |
| matey | the truth is, given time | May 13 09:48 |
| matey | people will figure this out. but thats too long a wait, to not give it a push. | May 13 09:48 |
| techrights-news | KDE Connect comes to iPhone with an iOS app http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164660#comment-33647 | May 13 09:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE Connect Arrives on iPhone and iPad For Linux Fans | Tux Machines | May 13 09:48 | |
| matey | and i guess the librecomputer roc renegade is worth a look | May 13 09:49 |
| matey | i swear i had one of those | May 13 09:50 |
| matey | i didnt look at it too much | May 13 09:50 |
| *Guest54005 has quit (Client exited) | May 13 09:50 | |
| techrights-news | Nvidia takes first step toward open source Linux GPU drivers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164748#comment-33648 | May 13 09:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | NVIDIA Releases Open-Source GPU Kernel Modules | Tux Machines | May 13 09:51 | |
| leah | matey: in the past, firmware was almost always on a rom/flash on the device | May 13 09:53 |
| leah | nowadays, to cut costs, companies do away with that and have firmware be uploaded by the driver | May 13 09:54 |
| leah | it saves a few cents per card/device | May 13 09:54 |
| leah | that seems small, but at scale we're talking billions | May 13 09:54 |
| techrights-news | Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164799 | May 13 09:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | May 13 09:54 | |
| leah | not just in terms of hardware cost, but development cost/time | May 13 09:54 |
| leah | if the firmware is separate from the hardware, handled by your os instead, that means the company can develop the hardware faster, and fix any bugs in firmware later | May 13 09:55 |
| leah | for this reason, i actually think it's better that firmware be handled by your kernel | May 13 09:55 |
| leah | and i want that firmware to be there. not including it is technically ignorant in this context, because it ignores the fact that your linux-libre-compatible device just has the same kind of firmware baked in | May 13 09:56 |
| leah | firmware-in-linux is a good thing, because: | May 13 09:56 |
| leah | 1) it can be RE'd and replaced with libre firmware later | May 13 09:56 |
| leah | 2) even without #1, or with #1, you can get updates to fix bugs | May 13 09:56 |
| leah | i regard it as superior, and even desirable | May 13 09:56 |
| matey | this is what i mean | May 13 09:56 |
| matey | its an INFORMED process | May 13 09:56 |
| leah | in terms of freedom, it makes zero difference to the old way of doing it | May 13 09:56 |
| matey | the fsf for some reason-- cant provide that | May 13 09:57 |
| leah | in terms of freedom out of the box, that is | May 13 09:57 |
| leah | the fsf's policies were correct 10 years ago | May 13 09:57 |
| leah | well | May 13 09:57 |
| leah | they were still wrong in theory, but worked in practise | May 13 09:57 |
| leah | nowadays, those policies are no longer practical | May 13 09:57 |
| matey | this is why we need these debates | May 13 09:57 |
| leah | and should be reformed | May 13 09:57 |
| matey | not intellectual pissing matches-- i mean debate in the higher sense of the word | May 13 09:57 |
| leah | matey: i'm planning a major change to libreboot, on this basis | May 13 09:57 |
| leah | i'm going to *scrap* osboot and merge it with libreboot | May 13 09:58 |
| matey | id really like to endorse osboot | May 13 09:58 |
| matey | i really really would | May 13 09:58 |
| leah | and make libreboot have a more debian-like policy | May 13 09:58 |
| matey | in some ways, i cant yet. | May 13 09:58 |
| matey | but | May 13 09:58 |
| matey | what i will do instead | May 13 09:58 |
| leah | libreboot will stay as it is right now, for existing supported boards | May 13 09:58 |
| matey | is endorse the idea that everyone give it a fair evaluation | May 13 09:58 |
| leah | boards where coreboot is all libre, but neutered ME is needed, those will also go in libreboot, in the main branch even | May 13 09:58 |
| matey | because thats something i believe it should definitely have | May 13 09:58 |
| leah | why? because intel ME firmware isn't part of coreboot. it could just aswell be on another chip | May 13 09:58 |
| leah | the flash is partitioned that way | May 13 09:59 |
| leah | i regard x230 with osboot as no different freedom-wise to x200 with libreboot | May 13 09:59 |
| matey | as much as i hate debian now | May 13 09:59 |
| matey | im extremely fond of many of their old policies | May 13 09:59 |
| leah | libreboot's policy will evolve to be more like debian | May 13 09:59 |
| leah | there is an exception: | May 13 09:59 |
| matey | they were part of the reason i loved debian in the first place | May 13 09:59 |
| leah | where a board does need blobs in coreboot, those will also be present, but separated | May 13 09:59 |
| leah | into another branch | May 13 09:59 |
| matey | good | May 13 10:00 |
| leah | similar to debian non-free/contrib repo | May 13 10:00 |
| leah | so | May 13 10:00 |
| leah | as you can see: | May 13 10:00 |
| leah | this new policy will be very different from both the current libreboot *and* osboot projects | May 13 10:00 |
| leah | it'll be even more nuanced | May 13 10:00 |
| leah | more nuanced than current libreboot/osboot policies | May 13 10:00 |
| matey | its very freedom 4 | May 13 10:00 |
| leah | freedom 4? | May 13 10:00 |
| leah | fsf defines freedom 0 through 3 | May 13 10:01 |
| leah | what's 4? | May 13 10:01 |
| matey | https://techrights.org/2019/12/10/the-fifth-freedom-as-a-meme/ | May 13 10:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | “The Fifth Freedom as a Meme” | Techrights | May 13 10:01 | |
| matey | something i commissioned (there was no exchange of funds, goods or services) | May 13 10:01 |
| matey | i think we need it. i take the 4 freedoms seriously. | May 13 10:01 |
| leah | ok | May 13 10:02 |
| matey | the 4 freedoms were built on an IMPLICIT fifth freedom | May 13 10:02 |
| matey | anyway | May 13 10:02 |
| leah | yes, say what you want about the fsf but: | May 13 10:02 |
| leah | the four freedoms are paramount | May 13 10:02 |
| matey | yes | May 13 10:02 |
| matey | without them theres no free software | May 13 10:02 |
| leah | they at least get the fsd correct | May 13 10:02 |
| leah | free software definition | May 13 10:02 |
| leah | i support and adhere to it | May 13 10:02 |
| matey | i compared the fsd to the constitution and then sent that comparison to lawrence lessig | May 13 10:03 |
| matey | im a fan. | May 13 10:03 |
| leah | but the fsd is the only part i'm interested in | May 13 10:03 |
| matey | its the best part at least | May 13 10:03 |
| leah | ideologically, i'm on the openbsd side of things | May 13 10:03 |
| matey | using it right now | May 13 10:03 |
| leah | but openbsd doesn't rigorously define what "free software" actually is | May 13 10:03 |
| matey | "its only the os gnu COULDVE been" | May 13 10:03 |
| leah | they just say: here's the code. everyone can use it. enjoy | May 13 10:03 |
| matey | openbsd isnt a movement, its an os. | May 13 10:04 |
| leah | right | May 13 10:04 |
| matey | we need a movement, openbsd will still be an os. | May 13 10:04 |
| matey | thats why they dont care about firmware | May 13 10:04 |
| matey | they dont WANT to write firmware | May 13 10:04 |
| leah | yes, they limit the scope of their endeavour | May 13 10:04 |
| leah | it's very clever of them | May 13 10:04 |
| matey | its sane. | May 13 10:04 |
| matey | sanity doesnt always get a fair shake | May 13 10:04 |
| leah | well, sane isn't the right word | May 13 10:05 |
| matey | probably because so few of us experience it on a regular basis | May 13 10:05 |
| leah | i would prefer the term "consistent" | May 13 10:05 |
| matey | maybe reasonable | May 13 10:05 |
| leah | "well defined" | May 13 10:05 |
| matey | whatever it is, it makes sense | May 13 10:05 |
| matey | for them at least | May 13 10:05 |
| leah | the bsd mentality is something you learn by simply using bsd | May 13 10:05 |
| matey | what do you think of root bsd | May 13 10:06 |
| matey | the guy, the channel | May 13 10:06 |
| leah | never heard of it | May 13 10:06 |
| matey | fair enough | May 13 10:06 |
| leah | anyway, openbsd is very correct | May 13 10:06 |
| leah | the way they do things | May 13 10:06 |
| matey | have you ever used a librecomputer roc renegade? | May 13 10:06 |
| leah | no | May 13 10:06 |
| matey | ok | May 13 10:06 |
| leah | but that sounds interesting, just from the name | May 13 10:07 |
| matey | i may have owned one | May 13 10:07 |
| matey | very briefly | May 13 10:07 |
| leah | what is it? | May 13 10:07 |
| matey | oh its an soc | May 13 10:07 |
| matey | im always looking for things that get us closer to free hardware | May 13 10:07 |
| matey | i think this is free in the sense of the firmware it runs | May 13 10:07 |
| matey | not free like free hardware will be when we really have free hardware | May 13 10:08 |
| matey | libre hardware, as you put it | May 13 10:08 |
| matey | hp and apple both started literally in a garage | May 13 10:08 |
| matey | i think people should think about that when they think of sam zeloof | May 13 10:08 |
| matey | this is how you change the world | May 13 10:09 |
| matey | (red hat started in a flat in north carolina) | May 13 10:09 |
| leah | modern chips are fundamentally the same as what sam produces | May 13 10:09 |
| leah | they started from that point | May 13 10:09 |
| leah | the companies slowly refined their processes over time | May 13 10:09 |
| leah | there is no reason why normal people can't do the same | May 13 10:10 |
| matey | its funny how people who work with iterative processes with software CONSTANTLY | May 13 10:10 |
| matey | dont understand that EVERYTHING works that way | May 13 10:10 |
| matey | evolution, business, science. | May 13 10:10 |
| matey | duh! | May 13 10:10 |
| leah | exactly | May 13 10:10 |
| matey | hardware | May 13 10:10 |
| leah | when you look at something that seems complex, it's actually very simple underneath, at a fundamental level | May 13 10:10 |
| matey | there seems to be this weird mythology | May 13 10:10 |
| leah | human beings can't think in complex ways on a grand scale | May 13 10:10 |
| matey | or superstition | May 13 10:11 |
| matey | that software invented that sort of process | May 13 10:11 |
| matey | it sped it up... | May 13 10:11 |
| leah | a program you write that's tens of thousands of lines is probably only doing a few things | May 13 10:11 |
| matey | it made it so you could see it in realtime | May 13 10:11 |
| matey | but that same kind of thing is everywhere | May 13 10:11 |
| matey | but when stallman talks about free culture :/ or free hardware | May 13 10:11 |
| matey | hes like | May 13 10:11 |
| matey | seriously-- hes like | May 13 10:11 |
| leah | what makes something complicated seem scary is that it's unknown | May 13 10:11 |
| matey | no, only software can do that | May 13 10:11 |
| matey | SOFTWARE IS DIFFERENT! | May 13 10:12 |
| matey | its NOT!!!! | May 13 10:12 |
| leah | i have advice: | May 13 10:12 |
| leah | stop thinking in terms of fsf/rms | May 13 10:12 |
| matey | i honestly dont | May 13 10:12 |
| leah | your current thought pattern stems from comparing yourself to them | May 13 10:12 |
| leah | simply be better | May 13 10:12 |
| leah | and define yourself as your own thing | May 13 10:12 |
| leah | that's what i've been trying to do | May 13 10:12 |
| matey | you dont have to believe me but | May 13 10:12 |
| matey | im already there. ive been there, for years. | May 13 10:12 |
| matey | what im trying to do is | May 13 10:13 |
| matey | help OTHER PEOPLE stuck there | May 13 10:13 |
| leah | i do believe you, based on our most recent conversations | May 13 10:13 |
| matey | to get to where youre talking about | May 13 10:13 |
| leah | you left the matrix | May 13 10:13 |
| leah | fsf = matrix | May 13 10:13 |
| matey | yeah but | May 13 10:13 |
| matey | for me its turning a little bit into the 3rd film | May 13 10:13 |
| activelow | ... elvis seems too complicated... digging into nvi now | May 13 10:13 |
| matey | i want peace, but never peace without freedom | May 13 10:14 |
| matey | and as much as i stood against the lies of open source | May 13 10:14 |
| matey | i will stand against open source lies coming from the fsf | May 13 10:14 |
| matey | i will even stand against free software lies | May 13 10:14 |
| leah | anyway, i will get back to my work | May 13 10:14 |
| matey | any kind of lie | May 13 10:14 |
| matey | cheers | May 13 10:14 |
| activelow | it was wiped from the gentoo tree, in the archives it is still available, although no unicode there isn't iregularities at first glance, such as seen with elvis or busybox-vi | May 13 10:14 |
| leah | i have stock purchases, plus several errands to do | May 13 10:15 |
| matey | thanks for the update (it was an update of a sort) | May 13 10:15 |
| matey | i dont envy your workload. good luck | May 13 10:15 |
| leah | there is a purpose to the proposed libreboot/osboot merger | May 13 10:15 |
| matey | how would it work | May 13 10:15 |
| matey | it sounds impossible | May 13 10:15 |
| leah | how would it work? | May 13 10:15 |
| matey | or is that what you meant with the non-free repo | May 13 10:15 |
| matey | like how debian does it | May 13 10:16 |
| leah | yeah, similar to debian | May 13 10:16 |
| matey | sorry ive got 2 and 2 and the sum, and im putting them together now | May 13 10:16 |
| matey | 2 + 2 = 4, got it | May 13 10:16 |
| leah | both lbmk and osbmk (libreboot and osboot repos) will be discontinued | May 13 10:16 |
| matey | wow | May 13 10:16 |
| leah | the osbmk one will be copied to librebootstrap | May 13 10:16 |
| matey | :) thats going to piss off some people | May 13 10:16 |
| leah | and then the repo will be called: librebootstrap.git | May 13 10:16 |
| leah | matey: yes, it will | May 13 10:16 |
| leah | but who? | May 13 10:17 |
| matey | when it does, i have a metaphor | May 13 10:17 |
| matey | did you see robin hood men in tights? | May 13 10:17 |
| leah | who will it piss off | May 13 10:17 |
| matey | ever | May 13 10:17 |
| matey | silly people. | May 13 10:17 |
| matey | it will piss off silly people | May 13 10:17 |
| leah | you mean fsf people? | May 13 10:17 |
| matey | with any luck | May 13 10:17 |
| leah | i've thought of what will happen | May 13 10:17 |
| leah | i bet one of them forks libreboot | May 13 10:17 |
| matey | "look man, we dont need this bridge" | May 13 10:17 |
| leah | but the fork will die, if they fork it with intent to stick to current policy | May 13 10:17 |
| matey | "im on one side, im on the other side!" | May 13 10:17 |
| leah | because then the fork will only be compatible with hardware you can't buy | May 13 10:18 |
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| matey | -- robin hood, men in tights | May 13 10:18 |
| matey | "it doesnt matter, its the principle of the thing!" | May 13 10:18 |
| leah | you can't feasibly buy anything that libreboot currently supports | May 13 10:18 |
| leah | supply dried up | May 13 10:18 |
| matey | yeah. | May 13 10:18 |
| leah | this is continuity | May 13 10:18 |
| matey | i noticed that. | May 13 10:18 |
| matey | right! | May 13 10:18 |
| leah | accepting reality and doing the best with the current situation | May 13 10:18 |
| leah | i call it: | May 13 10:18 |
| leah | pragmatism | May 13 10:18 |
| matey | ooh i hate that word | May 13 10:18 |
| matey | its a weasel word for sure | May 13 10:18 |
| leah | what word woul dyou use? | May 13 10:18 |
| matey | anything else. even a slur would be better | May 13 10:19 |
| matey | but | May 13 10:19 |
| matey | what youre actually doing sounds like a reasonable idea | May 13 10:19 |
| matey | and im quibbling over the word pragmatism | May 13 10:19 |
| matey | i just hate that word | May 13 10:19 |
| leah | the main reason i did osboot as a separate project was precisely to test the waters | May 13 10:19 |
| matey | open source ruined it | May 13 10:19 |
| leah | i wanted to see what people would think of it, without actually doing it | May 13 10:19 |
| matey | in fairness, the fsf has used it. | May 13 10:19 |
| leah | and i find: osboot is getting popular | May 13 10:19 |
| leah | people like it | May 13 10:19 |
| matey | because its a good idea. | May 13 10:19 |
| matey | and sometimes, given time | May 13 10:20 |
| leah | the same kinds of people that liked libreboot, now like osboot | May 13 10:20 |
| leah | they see it as a natural evolution | May 13 10:20 |
| matey | people actually like good ideas | May 13 10:20 |
| leah | i've found that the exact same type of people who go for libreboot, go for osboot | May 13 10:20 |
| leah | they see both as essentially the same project | May 13 10:20 |
| matey | they will too | May 13 10:20 |
| matey | for what its worth, i think its probably inevitable at this point | May 13 10:20 |
| leah | i'm confident that 95% of people will be happy/indifferent about the move | May 13 10:20 |
| matey | for obvious reasons | May 13 10:20 |
| leah | osboot started as an experiment outside of libreboot | May 13 10:20 |
| matey | by the way | May 13 10:21 |
| leah | i always intended to merge it back | May 13 10:21 |
| matey | exactly how dried up is the supply | May 13 10:21 |
| leah | i was going to do an osboot back in 2016 | May 13 10:21 |
| leah | but had to deal with personal stuff for a few years. i got back into dev back in 2020, and started the osboot project | May 13 10:21 |
| matey | im making a prediction about the fsf and osboot | May 13 10:22 |
| matey | specifically the merge | May 13 10:22 |
| leah | what do you predict? | May 13 10:22 |
| matey | this is my prediction :) https://yewtu.be/watch?v=PDP245bQ6Fk | May 13 10:22 |
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| matey | its 1:30 | May 13 10:22 |
| matey | but priceless | May 13 10:22 |
| matey | sorry, i lied. 2:09 | May 13 10:23 |
| matey | the best part is in the first 20 seconds though | May 13 10:23 |
| leah | they won't do a damn thing | May 13 10:23 |
| leah | if they do, they lose | May 13 10:24 |
| matey | thats what theyre best at at this point | May 13 10:24 |
| matey | doing nothing and losing | May 13 10:24 |
| matey | it really fucks me off | May 13 10:24 |
| leah | any action they take would end up promoting the new initiative | May 13 10:24 |
| matey | but | May 13 10:24 |
| matey | im used to it too | May 13 10:24 |
| leah | so they will do nothing | May 13 10:24 |
| matey | yeah | May 13 10:24 |
| matey | theyre going to become the fucking silent foundation | May 13 10:24 |
| matey | (they already are) | May 13 10:24 |
| matey | they cant talk about any effort to pull their sorry arses out of the quagmire | May 13 10:24 |
| leah | now, tell me | May 13 10:24 |
| matey | thats what theyve painted themselves into | May 13 10:24 |
| leah | what do you think happens to ryf libreboot sellers? | May 13 10:25 |
| matey | do not care | May 13 10:25 |
| matey | but why do you ask | May 13 10:25 |
| leah | me neither. but it's amusing to think about | May 13 10:25 |
| leah | post-merge i mean | May 13 10:25 |
| matey | lol | May 13 10:25 |
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| leah | they'll be in a very awkward position | May 13 10:25 |
| matey | wait | May 13 10:25 |
| matey | someone | May 13 10:25 |
| matey | someone | May 13 10:25 |
| matey | might fork | May 13 10:25 |
| matey | i dont think they will | May 13 10:25 |
| matey | libreosboot :) | May 13 10:26 |
| matey | no, that | May 13 10:26 |
| leah | they will | May 13 10:26 |
| leah | and it will fail | May 13 10:26 |
| matey | hey! did you notice the linux kernel violates the fsdg? | May 13 10:26 |
| matey | i mean linux-libre does | May 13 10:26 |
| leah | did i notice? | May 13 10:26 |
| leah | no, i didn't notice that | May 13 10:26 |
| matey | linux-libre violates the fsdg | May 13 10:26 |
| leah | how does it violate fsdg? | May 13 10:26 |
| matey | well, i mean if you remake a distro right | May 13 10:26 |
| matey | to make it fsdg | May 13 10:26 |
| matey | you cant refer to the original distro | May 13 10:26 |
| matey | you cant call it libredebian for example | May 13 10:26 |
| leah | meh | May 13 10:27 |
| matey | or librearch | May 13 10:27 |
| matey | but linux-libre gets a free pass | May 13 10:27 |
| matey | its sheer exceptionalism | May 13 10:27 |
| leah | i'm meh'ing the fuck out of that | May 13 10:27 |
| matey | well i mean | May 13 10:27 |
| matey | its angels dancing on the head of a pin talk | May 13 10:27 |
| matey | its just for fun | May 13 10:27 |
| matey | it means very little | May 13 10:27 |
| matey | it wont ever be a scandal because when all reasonable options have been exausted | May 13 10:28 |
| matey | theres nothing left but arbitrary exceptions | May 13 10:28 |
| leah | it's a cult of people using computers that regularly kernel panic, do not have 3D acceleration and do not have functioning wifi | May 13 10:28 |
| matey | but worse than that | May 13 10:28 |
| matey | they still suck off the same corporations they allegedly stand against the corruption of | May 13 10:29 |
| leah | they'll all hypocrites, every last one of them | May 13 10:29 |
| matey | "we dont hate microsoft, only the corrupted parts!" | May 13 10:29 |
| leah | every single one of them | May 13 10:29 |
| matey | "so, only 99.999% of it" | May 13 10:29 |
| leah | they do nothing to progress the movement | May 13 10:29 |
| leah | nothing at all | May 13 10:29 |
| matey | they'll all hypocrites <- this is what im getting at | May 13 10:29 |
| leah | while actively discouraging others | May 13 10:29 |
| matey | i mean | May 13 10:29 |
| matey | in the end, so is every last person but | May 13 10:29 |
| leah | i'm gonna get back to my work | May 13 10:29 |
| leah | we've had this conversation already | May 13 10:29 |
| matey | some people are known for integrity | May 13 10:29 |
| matey | yeah | May 13 10:29 |
| matey | cheers | May 13 10:29 |
| leah | everyone knows the fsf sucks | May 13 10:30 |
| matey | but theyre still afraid to say it | May 13 10:30 |
| matey | it will make them bad people... | May 13 10:30 |
| matey | theyll have to leave the temple and enter the world again :| | May 13 10:30 |
| matey | the big bad world full of non-freedom | May 13 10:31 |
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| matey | non-freedom lurking on every corner | May 13 10:31 |
| matey | and the only way they know to fight is JOIN US TODAY! | May 13 10:31 |
| matey | so we can teach you to be dependent on exceptionalism | May 13 10:31 |
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| matey | better that we teach people how to delete non-free software | May 13 10:32 |
| matey | and make it easier to do so | May 13 10:32 |
| matey | than to set up temples where it is done by priests | May 13 10:32 |
| matey | only because theyve failed | May 13 10:33 |
| matey | i mean its probably better in terms of education too | May 13 10:33 |
| matey | but either way, the new fsf sucks at it | May 13 10:33 |
| matey | "here, eat your github, its good for you" | May 13 10:33 |
| matey | "but i dont want" "shut up, there are kids mining coltan in third world countries! EAT YOUR GITHUB!" | May 13 10:34 |
| matey | "its got a free license! shut up and eat it" | May 13 10:34 |
| leah | fsf left the temple | May 13 10:35 |
| leah | we're all still in it | May 13 10:35 |
| activelow | assume, i wanted to use elvis or nvi instead of vim, for one or another reason... unicode... | May 13 10:36 |
| matey | i really think the cult is corporate, and the fsf moved their temple into that | May 13 10:36 |
| leah | look at fsf.org on the wayback machine from 90s and early 2000s | May 13 10:36 |
| matey | i do | May 13 10:36 |
| matey | even recently | May 13 10:36 |
| leah | you'll see they were more pragmatic and reasonable in the past | May 13 10:36 |
| activelow | the reasoning ... elvis editor was stable for a decade or two... then unicode came along | May 13 10:36 |
| matey | well they had less paint to corner themselves with | May 13 10:36 |
| leah | that's the fsf i support | May 13 10:36 |
| leah | it no longer exists | May 13 10:36 |
| leah | and never will | May 13 10:37 |
| matey | give it time, theyll paint everything in the world except the corners | May 13 10:37 |
| activelow | similar situation, with gnome/gtk/harfbuzz | May 13 10:37 |
| activelow | awesome | May 13 10:37 |
| matey | but theyve nearly run out of paint too | May 13 10:37 |
| matey | <leah> it no longer exist <- this is whats beautiful about history | May 13 10:37 |
| matey | its like recipe | May 13 10:37 |
| matey | the cookies are gone | May 13 10:37 |
| matey | we can make more! | May 13 10:37 |
| leah | god damnit | May 13 10:37 |
| leah | now i want cookies | May 13 10:37 |
| matey | sorry | May 13 10:38 |
| leah | it's ok | May 13 10:38 |
| leah | i'll buy some later from the bakery | May 13 10:38 |
| leah | i don't dare make them | May 13 10:40 |
| leah | because i'll make many | May 13 10:40 |
| leah | and eat them all in a day | May 13 10:40 |
| leah | i don't trust myself to exercise restraint | May 13 10:40 |
| matey | you could just put fewer on the pan | May 13 10:40 |
| leah | plus i always end up eating the cookie dough, like half of it, before it even enters the oven | May 13 10:40 |
| matey | the sheet rather | May 13 10:40 |
| matey | plus i always end up eating the cookie dough <- you could make less dough too | May 13 10:41 |
| leah | doesn't work like that | May 13 10:41 |
| matey | yeah i know :) | May 13 10:41 |
| leah | not with me | May 13 10:41 |
| matey | not with anyone | May 13 10:41 |
| leah | i will eat it all | May 13 10:41 |
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| matey | eat all the things! | May 13 10:41 |
| leah | and not just the dough. but the chocolate too | May 13 10:41 |
| matey | yeah thats what i do for chocolate really | May 13 10:42 |
| matey | i buy chips | May 13 10:42 |
| leah | chips are worse | May 13 10:42 |
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| matey | what do you recommend | May 13 10:42 |
| leah | you could literally murder me by handing me too many crisps | May 13 10:42 |
| leah | because i'll eat them all | May 13 10:42 |
| leah | and suffer a stroke | May 13 10:42 |
| matey | oh no i meant chocolate chips | May 13 10:42 |
| leah | no idea | May 13 10:42 |
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| matey | what do you call the things you put in cookies? | May 13 10:42 |
| leah | chocolate chips? | May 13 10:43 |
| techrights-news | Today’s 𝘛𝘶𝘹 𝘔𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴 Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164803 | May 13 10:43 |
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| matey | yes | May 13 10:43 |
| matey | ok, same page now | May 13 10:43 |
| leah | oh sorry i thought you were talking about potato chips | May 13 10:43 |
| leah | which i call crisps | May 13 10:43 |
| matey | tayto = best ones | May 13 10:43 |
| matey | cheese and onion | May 13 10:43 |
| leah | is that a brand? | May 13 10:43 |
| leah | never seen it before | May 13 10:43 |
| matey | big in northern ireland | May 13 10:44 |
| leah | i'm scanning the supermarket shelves in my head and i don't see it | May 13 10:44 |
| leah | must just be an irish thing | May 13 10:44 |
| matey | may have invented the first flavoured crisps | May 13 10:44 |
| matey | i guarantee mjgs had them | May 13 10:44 |
| leah | makes sense | May 13 10:44 |
| leah | irish people and potatoes | May 13 10:44 |
| leah | makes sense they'd have better crisps too | May 13 10:44 |
| matey | yeah but-- in fairness to the rest of the uk | May 13 10:44 |
| matey | i had some really good ones that were steak flavoured | May 13 10:45 |
| matey | and those were british (but not from any part of ireland/ni) | May 13 10:45 |
| SomeH4x0r | schestowitz: https://techrights.org/home 500 Internal Server Error | May 13 10:45 |
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| leah | anyway | May 13 10:45 |
| SomeH4x0r | I now go afk | May 13 10:45 |
| leah | work to do! | May 13 10:45 |
| leah | thanks for the chat | May 13 10:45 |
| matey | cheers | May 13 10:45 |
| matey | SomeH4x0r: http://techrights.org/index/ is loading | May 13 10:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Welcome to Techrights | May 13 10:46 | |
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| techrights-news | Public Knowledge Applauds Bill Creating Digital Regulator To Rein In Big Tech https://publicknowledge.org/public-knowledge-applauds-bill-creating-digital-regulator-to-rein-in-big-tech/ | May 13 11:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-publicknowledge.org | Public Knowledge Applauds Bill Creating Digital Regulator To Rein In Big Tech - Public Knowledge | May 13 11:00 | |
| techrights-news | Shiva Stella uses Microsoft lobbyists' term, "Big Tech", distracting from Microsoft's crimes. Well, Stella's "Public Knowledge" added a Microsofter to the Board. Maybe that's why... | May 13 11:01 |
| schestowitz | SomeH4x0r: I think we had a load spike at that moment | May 13 11:07 |
| schestowitz | let me know if it happens again | May 13 11:08 |
| matey | grapheneos uses openbsd malloc | May 13 11:14 |
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| SomeH4x0r | schestowitz: still doesn't work | May 13 11:28 |
| SomeH4x0r | matey: /index/, but not /home | May 13 11:32 |
| SomeH4x0r | also, the user I'm telling about techrights, did ask why no onion service | May 13 11:32 |
| matey | [A[Aroy doesnt seem big on tor... i dont want to spread any bs about this, he doesnt seem entirely against it either | May 13 11:36 |
| SomeH4x0r | you can come to UplinkIRC for now, I'm telling about techrights to a user there | May 13 11:37 |
| SomeH4x0r | unless they went afk | May 13 11:37 |
| matey | im here | May 13 11:38 |
| matey | im not really interested in channel hopping | May 13 11:38 |
| matey | all this effort rarely results in so much as a single conversation, though barto and i did talk at least once | May 13 11:39 |
| SomeH4x0r | I don't know what happened to barto. Probably memory issues. | May 13 11:40 |
| matey | drug-related? | May 13 11:40 |
| SomeH4x0r | no. It is a common pattern I see on UplinkIRC among newcomers. | May 13 11:40 |
| SomeH4x0r | They sometimes even promise to stay, but leave soon regardless | May 13 11:40 |
| matey | yeah, its honestly a waste of time to teach people who have that sort of attention span | May 13 11:41 |
| matey | i mean im not against it | May 13 11:41 |
| matey | if it happens, thats great | May 13 11:41 |
| matey | but its a lot of effort with very little return | May 13 11:41 |
| matey | also, i think theres a mismatch (obviously) | May 13 11:41 |
| matey | between their level of interest | May 13 11:41 |
| matey | and anything we can offer them | May 13 11:41 |
| matey | if they have a question, cool | May 13 11:42 |
| SomeH4x0r | they come from Steam+Windows most of the time | May 13 11:42 |
| matey | right | May 13 11:42 |
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| SomeH4x0r | I assume they are brainwashed by Discord too, but there is no direct evidence to say | May 13 11:42 |
| matey | so if they have a question, it can sometimes be answered | May 13 11:42 |
| matey | a lot of the time though... | May 13 11:42 |
| matey | i mean most questions dont even have useful answers | May 13 11:42 |
| matey | if youre just casually exploring from windows+steam | May 13 11:42 |
| matey | you have to try stuff. | May 13 11:42 |
| matey | i tell people the best way to get familiar with any free softwar | May 13 11:43 |
| matey | because it really is | May 13 11:43 |
| SomeH4x0r | Uplink game has a built-in IRC client. As this page [https://web.archive.org/web/20090913002159/http://www.multiwinia-ladder.net/flamebot.php] says, many don't even realize the purpose of it. | May 13 11:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Flamebot | May 13 11:43 | |
| matey | yeah ive seen the built in client from the walkthrough of the game | May 13 11:43 |
| matey | ive never played it-- but ive seen it | May 13 11:43 |
| matey | ive seen like half the game | May 13 11:44 |
| SomeH4x0r | there are some screenshots on mobygames, but behind clownflare | May 13 11:44 |
| matey | ive seen the beginning, the middle, the ending (two endings) | May 13 11:44 |
| matey | ive seen pretty much all there is to see in the game | May 13 11:44 |
| SomeH4x0r | Skywave did play it too | May 13 11:45 |
| matey | i think hes kind of a dick | May 13 11:46 |
| matey | but thats what happens when you talk about politics online | May 13 11:46 |
| matey | i do too, im sure MANY people think im a dick | May 13 11:47 |
| matey | but im anti-authoritarian (after a fashion) and he seems pro-authoritarian | May 13 11:47 |
| SomeH4x0r | I did recently trigger some people when CP appeared, and the channel went mad, and my opinion was that censorship is not acceptable no matter what files are sent | May 13 11:47 |
| SomeH4x0r | (the links were sent by another users) | May 13 11:47 |
| SomeH4x0r | *user | May 13 11:48 |
| matey | I did recently trigger some people when CP appeared <- jesus christ im glad i avoid that channel | May 13 11:48 |
| SomeH4x0r | they did set a ban and I didn't bother evading it | May 13 11:48 |
| matey | i dont understand, if youre banned how are you there now | May 13 11:48 |
| SomeH4x0r | they did set a ban after I did talk that censorship is not ok | May 13 11:49 |
| matey | same question | May 13 11:49 |
| SomeH4x0r | iirc they didn't ban the user who sent the links, but it was probably a webchat | May 13 11:49 |
| matey | how are you there now | May 13 11:50 |
| SomeH4x0r | it was on another network I did connect to recently | May 13 11:50 |
| matey | oh okay | May 13 11:50 |
| bnchs | SomeH4x0r, CP bomb? | May 13 11:52 |
| SomeH4x0r | what is it? | May 13 11:52 |
| bnchs | i mean what happened | May 13 11:52 |
| bnchs | did someone send CP? | May 13 11:52 |
| SomeH4x0r | yes, or at least someone else assumed it was | May 13 11:52 |
| bnchs | awful | May 13 11:53 |
| SomeH4x0r | an issue here is that if we can criminalize/immoralize some kinds of *files*, there is no reason why other kinds of files can't be criminalized/immoralized as well. | May 13 11:54 |
| SomeH4x0r | so we either allow *everything*, or put up with filesharing being destroyed by governments agents infiltrating our communities | May 13 11:55 |
| Skywave | communities can have rules about what they want to do and what information they want to move around their areas. that is fine. | May 13 11:57 |
| matey | the devils in the details | May 13 11:58 |
| matey | for both sides of the argument | May 13 11:58 |
| SomeH4x0r | now I'm thinking of bringing this topic to other places to see how many communities are free speech-hostile | May 13 12:00 |
| SomeH4x0r | I assume discussing CP can't bring anyone to legal trouble? | May 13 12:01 |
| matey | maybe ask a lawyer | May 13 12:01 |
| SomeH4x0r | an issue here is that there are people from different jurisdictions, and there might be countries where it is illegal | May 13 12:02 |
| matey | indeed | May 13 12:02 |
| matey | right now in russia its illegal to criticise the government | May 13 12:02 |
| matey | or at least you can go to jail for it | May 13 12:02 |
| matey | which sounds a lot like being illegal | May 13 12:03 |
| matey | but if every rule is made up on the spot, youre not talking about legal or illegal, just trends | May 13 12:03 |
| matey | but in most places its legal to criticise russia | May 13 12:05 |
| SomeH4x0r | I also do hate these SJW trends. They generally find some bad thing and start worldwide harassment campaigns. BLM, now Ukraine. Perhaps GamerGate in the past, but I perhaps wasn't around when it happened. | May 13 12:07 |
| SomeH4x0r | I'm not sure if COVID-19 actions belong there. There was/is some harassment against those who disobey the measures. | May 13 12:08 |
| SomeH4x0r | there may or may not be lasting damage. There was from BLM. The stupid changes to names will persist. | May 13 12:09 |
| SomeH4x0r | e.g. master -> main | May 13 12:09 |
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| SomeH4x0r | *BLM in the past, now Ukraine | May 13 12:10 |
| matey | even the people who pushed master -> main still use the word master in various contexts | May 13 12:10 |
| matey | its sheer hypocrisy | May 13 12:10 |
| matey | "i can tell you what to do but you can tell me shit" | May 13 12:10 |
| SomeH4x0r | also the mental health damage will last. I will now always know large amounts o people are stupid. | May 13 12:14 |
| SomeH4x0r | *of people | May 13 12:14 |
| matey | I will now always know large amounts o people are stupid. <- thats not a mental health issue. thats simply awareness. | May 13 12:15 |
| SomeH4x0r | "awareness" is not always true, because there are controlled opposition projects as a trap | May 13 12:16 |
| matey | but being aware of how things really are is not a mental health issue | May 13 12:16 |
| matey | if anything, its one of the closest things we have to a definition of sanity | May 13 12:16 |
| matey | though i dont think its entirely fair, as one can still have an active imagination and still be sane, i think | May 13 12:17 |
| matey | but then you can have an active imagination and still be reasonably aware of how things actually are | May 13 12:17 |
| SomeH4x0r | like Mozilla being about fake privacy | May 13 12:18 |
| matey | indeed | May 13 12:18 |
| matey | mozilla is a fucking joke | May 13 12:18 |
| SomeH4x0r | someone did mention here about EFF using its former reputation to do shit. It is the same for the others big privacy companies. | May 13 12:19 |
| matey | eff sucks too | May 13 12:19 |
| matey | organisations sell out | May 13 12:19 |
| matey | when that happens, you have to decide whether to put your faith in people, or corrupt institutions | May 13 12:20 |
| matey | people suck, but theyre not all bad | May 13 12:20 |
| matey | an institution is a tool | May 13 12:21 |
| matey | its an amplifier | May 13 12:21 |
| matey | when it stops amplifying good and favours bullshit, its not useful anymore | May 13 12:21 |
| matey | i mean a hammer is a hammer whether you use it to hit nails or hit yourself | May 13 12:21 |
| matey | but if you have a hammer that always hits you and another that does what its supposed to | May 13 12:21 |
| matey | id say put down the one that keeps hitting you (somehow) and use the other one | May 13 12:22 |
| matey | with institutions, people are remarkably slow to do this! | May 13 12:22 |
| matey | they just keep hitting themselves. | May 13 12:22 |
| activelow | this is how i'll do it: keep busybox vi (flawed unicode pre-init emergyncy shell), keep nvi (unicode handling ok, limited use while working as root), and vim for regular programming | May 13 12:29 |
| activelow | if unicode didn't nuke elvis i probably would have used only this | May 13 12:30 |
| activelow | and makes me wonder, because wikipedia mentions elvis remains the default vi editor there, how they coped with unicode | May 13 12:31 |
| activelow | vim is very powerful, what annoys me currently is it's slow startup time (4seconds), probably due to plugins loaded | May 13 12:31 |
| activelow | so, i'll debug which plugin(s) it is causing headache | May 13 12:32 |
| activelow | the nano emacs clone is noteworthy too, it's binary size is 3x of mg (openbsd emacs clone), mg got no unicode either | May 13 12:33 |
| activelow | not sure what to think about emacs, the regular one, seems to be a typical GNU heavyweight | May 13 12:33 |
| activelow | vim seems the only editor i am willing to use, didn't learn emacs (except for the minimal basics with mg) | May 13 12:38 |
| activelow | the confusion and incompatibilities among vi clones is bad enough, didn't arrive at neovim, probably never will | May 13 12:39 |
| activelow | with emacs on top, that's dozens of keystrokes to memorize, commands, options... got other things to do | May 13 12:40 |
| activelow | the copy-buffer handling with dvtm+vim is practical, together with the concept of master and stacking area | May 13 12:41 |
| activelow | i only noticed, when i increased the scrollback buffer of dvtm, this used alot of RAM quickly, because this is statically allocated per shell-window | May 13 12:42 |
| activelow | another one with vim, which made me consider it's removal... some plugins poisoned the register buffer | May 13 12:44 |
| activelow | and when pasting this could flood gibberish... which too could be dangerous ... i'll not use vim as root anymore | May 13 12:45 |
| activelow | nvi or mg must suffice as an editor for root | May 13 12:45 |
| activelow | noted on todo, patch Vim to check for uid==0 _before_ it can load any plugin, and exit... instantly | May 13 12:47 |
| activelow | i meant to say, minix used elvis as editor, not sure how they cope with unicode then | May 13 12:48 |
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| SomeH4x0r | 15:49 < Dave2> lol, techrights. Irrelevant and wrong when it was Boycott Novell, irrelevant and wrong now. | May 13 13:50 |
| SomeH4x0r | 15:55 < Dave2> Well, Boycott Novell was pretty stupid because Novell never actually did anything bad and it was a massive conspiracy theory. Thankfully techrights is pretty irrelevant so I don't get exposed to it too much, plus I blocked Schestowitz on Twitter because he was crapping up my searches. He was entirely wrong about the freenode situation, he acted like Trump with his constant assertions | May 13 13:56 |
| SomeH4x0r | that were entirely unfounded, he seems to be fine with slurs and/or hate | May 13 13:56 |
| SomeH4x0r | 15:55 < Dave2> speech from people who support him but happily mutes people who do not, he doesn't seem to understand that RMS is a fucking liability due to being a creepy fuck who needs to learn how to behave around other people so that they don't feel the need to buy plants for their offices to avoid being harassed by him, but mostly I'm thankful I don't have to pay any attention because, again, | May 13 13:56 |
| SomeH4x0r | utterly irrelevant | May 13 13:56 |
| SomeH4x0r | 15:57 < Dave2> tbh I'd almost go as far as to class him as being evil, his vocal presence is certainly a net negative on the world | May 13 13:57 |
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| SomeH4x0r | matey: ^ do you have anything for me to send back? | May 13 13:59 |
| SomeH4x0r | 15:59 < Dave2> He doesn't even have the benefit that Bryan Lunduke has where he at least is funny until you realise he's a fucking prick who picks fights for attention in a way that willfully misrepresents the truth and drives discourse in a shitty way to just make life worse for everyone | May 13 14:00 |
| techrights-news | "While I've still been active with elpher development, my phlog has slipped off the radar a bit. And that's okay! Slow internet and all that." gemini://thelambdalab.xyz/phlog/2022-05-13-A-minute.txt | May 13 14:13 |
| techrights-news | "'Get plugged into education!' with Moodle will be the first project in a series of hackathons part of a joint initiative launched by The United Nations Office of Information and Communications Technology (OICT) and the Directorate-General for Informatics of European Commission (DG DIGIT)." https://blog.opensource.org/join-upcoming-hackathon-get-plugged-into-education-with-moodle/ | May 13 14:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.opensource.org | Join upcoming hackathon “Get plugged into education!” with Moodle | May 13 14:19 | |
| techrights-news | Or just disable the darn thing and trust yourself, neither your key nor Microsoft https://mivehind.net/2022/05/12/secureboot-signing-with-your-own-key/ | May 13 14:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mivehind.net | Secureboot Signing With Your Own Key | May 13 14:20 | |
| techrights-news | I've begun skipping ANY howtos that q43 AWS-specific. AWS is proprietary software and vendor lock-in. No point arguing about this; I know that too well from my nighttime job. FUCK AWS. | May 13 14:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | SomeH4x0r: what is the source of that? I guess some IRC channel | May 13 14:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | dave is wrong on many levels | May 13 14:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | do you want me to respond? | May 13 14:24 |
| SomeH4x0r | UplinkIRC | May 13 14:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | I will respond | May 13 14:24 |
| SomeH4x0r | irc.uplinkcorp.net/+6000 (/6667) #uplink | May 13 14:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | [13:50] <SomeH4x0r> 15:49 < Dave2> lol, techrights. Irrelevant and wrong when it was Boycott Novell, irrelevant and wrong now. | May 13 14:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | funny that | May 13 14:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | some prominent developers attribute to demise of Novell to us | May 13 14:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | because we led a good campaign for years | May 13 14:25 |
| SomeH4x0r | the channel is full of normies. I don't know about the regulars, but there are players coming all the time, from Windows+Steam | May 13 14:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | [13:56] <SomeH4x0r> 15:55 < Dave2> Well, Boycott Novell was pretty stupid because Novell never actually did anything bad and it was a massive conspiracy theory. | May 13 14:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | it was a conspiracy | May 13 14:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | Novell conspired with Microsoft | May 13 14:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | against Red Hat and everyone else | May 13 14:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | and it failed | May 13 14:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | they conspired using patents | May 13 14:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | and people reacted | May 13 14:26 |
| SomeH4x0r | is there some logs link I can send? | May 13 14:26 |
| SomeH4x0r | for #techrights | May 13 14:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | if he thinks a patent collusion and attack on copyleft, ODF etc. is "did anything bad" then tell him Microsoft is hiring.. oh, wait... it doesn't. it's firing its own workers, and it gets bailed out by Trump and Biden. | May 13 14:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | >>> plus I blocked Schestowitz on Twitter | May 13 14:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | LOL | May 13 14:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | What sane person uses Twitter? | May 13 14:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | I've not used it in years firsthand | May 13 14:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | and I quit even sending copies to it, before MusKSA bought the failing thing | May 13 14:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | which has been losing both money and users | May 13 14:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | they buy yesterdayyear's thing | May 13 14:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | trying to redirect anger towards their political "enemies" | May 13 14:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | and shore up their scams | May 13 14:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | >> RMS is a fucking liability due to being a creepy fuck | May 13 14:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | what is "creepy fuck" | May 13 14:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | be specific | May 13 14:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | writing an email ABOUT Esptein is not "creepy fuck" | May 13 14:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | Enabling epstein, like bill gates, makes one worse than ""creepy fuck"" | May 13 14:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | and a partner in crime | May 13 14:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | >> benefit that Bryan Lunduke | May 13 14:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | we are NO friends of Bryan Lunduke | May 13 14:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | Bryan Lunduke comes from Microsoft | May 13 14:30 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/06/09/lunduke-concern-trolling-again/ | May 13 14:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bryan Lunduke is Still 100% Trolling With His Facts-Free Provocation ‘Masterpiece’ Called ‘Linux Sucks’ | Techrights | May 13 14:30 | |
| schestowitz | connecting me to Lunduke and to Trump | May 13 14:31 |
| schestowitz | Bingo | May 13 14:31 |
| schestowitz | two people I'm against | May 13 14:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | schestowitz: yes, but it's the real time log | May 13 14:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | in gemini or http/s | May 13 14:31 |
| schestowitz | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/chat/index.gmi | May 13 14:31 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/irc | May 13 14:32 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-status.txt | May 13 14:32 |
| schestowitz | they update every 5 mins, latest at bottom | May 13 14:32 |
| SomeH4x0r | and for how long do they stay? | May 13 14:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | depends on the link | May 13 14:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | one resets every 48 hours | May 13 14:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | the last one, rsynced from roy@vonick | May 13 14:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | the server side is tailed, maybe 2000 lines | May 13 14:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | the gemini one is the same but processed for gemtext syntax | May 13 14:34 |
| techrights-news | KDE neon 20220512 is out https://neon.kde.org/ I uses that on my new laptop. Video: http://techrights.org/2022/05/07/state-of-the-art-plasma/ | May 13 14:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-neon.kde.org | KDE neon | May 13 14:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Plasma Desktop in Latest KDE Neon (State-of-the-Art Plasma) | Techrights | May 13 14:35 | |
| bnchs | "NSA ANT catalog | NIGHTSTAND: Portable system that wirelessly installs Microsoft Windows exploits from a distance of up to eight miles." | May 13 14:37 |
| bnchs | LOL, this and they say "windows is secure!!" | May 13 14:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | says NSA | May 13 14:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | Windows is good | May 13 14:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | for US national security | May 13 14:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | they can remotely access the data of billions of people around the world | May 13 14:39 |
| bnchs | windows is good | May 13 14:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | like egypt | May 13 14:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | with its dick police | May 13 14:39 |
| bnchs | so that they can install exploits up to 8 miles | May 13 14:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | checking where citizens place their penis | May 13 14:40 |
| bnchs | "gay people detected in 8 miles" | May 13 14:40 |
| bnchs | "gay detector" | May 13 14:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | Gaydar(R) | May 13 14:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | Islam faces an existential crisis | May 13 14:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | guys put their thing in other guys | May 13 14:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | Islam implodes | May 13 14:41 |
| bnchs | i imagine the gaydar to be a metal detector | May 13 14:42 |
| bnchs | *beep beep beep* | May 13 14:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | there are teleevenglaists in the USA | May 13 14:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | they can 'cure' people | May 13 14:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | by 'subtle' torture | May 13 14:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | totally state-sanctioned | May 13 14:43 |
| techrights-news | 20 Best Linux PDF Editors: Edit Pdf Files on Your Linux System • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164804 | May 13 14:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 20 Best Linux PDF Editors: Edit Pdf Files on Your Linux System | Tux Machines | May 13 14:43 | |
| schestowitz-TR | egypt has no agra crisis | May 13 14:43 |
| bnchs | "wtf you can't have sex with other people your gender, get beheaded!" | May 13 14:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | opr water crisis | May 13 14:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | if they do, blame the gays | May 13 14:43 |
| bnchs | "wtf you can't have sex without getting married, get beheaded!" | May 13 14:43 |
| bnchs | they imprison you for having sex without marriage | May 13 14:44 |
| techrights-news | AlmaLinux 8.6 "Sky Tiger" Released, Added New Module Stream http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164781#comment-33649 | May 13 14:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | CentOS Alternative AlmaLinux OS 8.6 Is Now Available for Download, Based on RHEL 8.6 | Tux Machines | May 13 14:45 | |
| schestowitz-TR | in egypt? | May 13 14:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe in ksa | May 13 14:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | in indonesia it's public lashing | May 13 14:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | due to ksa influence there | May 13 14:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | buying them mosques and stuff | May 13 14:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | the wahabi stuff | May 13 14:45 |
| techrights-news | Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164805 | May 13 14:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | May 13 14:46 | |
| schestowitz-TR | the rich love using clergy to distract from the important issues | May 13 14:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | they keep on hating not the robbers | May 13 14:47 |
| bnchs | they don't in egypt | May 13 14:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | but the people who are subtly different | May 13 14:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | like christian indonesians | May 13 14:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | who are basically the same | May 13 14:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | they just pray to a different name | May 13 14:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | in some case banning sex before marriage leads to rape | May 13 14:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | like literal rape | May 13 14:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | sex-starved people do all sorts of crazy things | May 13 14:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | because the girls would not sleep with them | May 13 14:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | fear of the patents and state | May 13 14:48 |
| bnchs | but in morocco, iraq, and saudi arabia, | May 13 14:48 |
| bnchs | they ban sex before marriage | May 13 14:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | so all they can do is (sorry for language) "get off" or rape someone | May 13 14:49 |
| bnchs | as illegal as homosexuality | May 13 14:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | so to have "real" sex you must be married to a woman or rape one | May 13 14:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | that's not good for women | May 13 14:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | like bans on some drugs | May 13 14:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | people just find them and do them illegally | May 13 14:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | or make their own | May 13 14:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | self-brewed can be toxic | May 13 14:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | if you don't know what you are doing | May 13 14:50 |
| bnchs | schestowitz-TR, marrakech wouldn't the captial of prostitution | May 13 14:50 |
| techrights-news | AlmaLinux 8.6 "Sky Tiger" Released, Added New Module Streams http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164781#comment-33649 | May 13 14:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | CentOS Alternative AlmaLinux OS 8.6 Is Now Available for Download, Based on RHEL 8.6 | Tux Machines | May 13 14:51 | |
| techrights-news | Multi-clown. We used to call that circus... or servers... or rack... or server farm, or HA (across DCs) https://www.techtarget.com/searchdatabackup/news/252518139/Zerto-95-update-adds-Linux-support-and-multi-cloud-storage | May 13 14:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techtarget.com | Zerto 9.5 update adds Linux support and multi-cloud storage | May 13 14:52 | |
| bnchs | "Much Loved is a 2015 French–Moroccan film about the prostitution scene in Marrakesh. The film tells about the lives of four prostitutes and shows their exploitation by pimps and the corruption of the police. " | May 13 14:53 |
| bnchs | what did they respond after this? | May 13 14:53 |
| techrights-news | "You still use your server? NOT THE CLOWN???" = "You still make coffee??? NOT STARBUCKS???" | May 13 14:53 |
| bnchs | "The film was banned in Morocco for its "contempt for moral values and the Moroccan woman". The leading actress, Loubna Abidar, received death threats and in November 2015, she was violently attacked in Casablanca and left the country for France soon after. Religious authorities condemned the film for portraying a negative image of Morocco, with its supporting of extramarital sex and sympathy for homosexuals." | May 13 14:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | insulting the king is insulting god | May 13 14:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | and the country is the king | May 13 14:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | and the king is a full-time employee of $GOD | May 13 14:54 |
| bnchs | they have sympathy for.... HOMOSEXUALS???? | May 13 14:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | the problem isn't prostitutes | May 13 14:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | or rings of pimps | May 13 14:54 |
| bnchs | time to attack the actors in public | May 13 14:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | the problem is the firm | May 13 14:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | *film and its makers | May 13 14:55 |
| bnchs | yeah | May 13 14:55 |
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| bnchs | prostitution is a problem here | May 13 14:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | the kind who watches cabaret and guys with makeup in paris is afraid of gays | May 13 14:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | *king | May 13 14:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | bnchs: maybe they should permit girlfriends | May 13 14:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | then it's consensual | May 13 14:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | girls not sleeping because "money" and "pimp said I'd get in trouble for refusing" | May 13 14:57 |
| bnchs | lol parents will disown you if they hear you have a girlfriend | May 13 14:57 |
| goosestepping_ | https://i.ibb.co/5kGxG6q/lol.png | May 13 14:57 |
| goosestepping_ | lol | May 13 14:57 |
| goosestepping_ | :-| !!! | May 13 14:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | "try before you buy" | May 13 14:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | better than parents forcing you to marry someone | May 13 14:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | and you cannot turn it down or say nop | May 13 14:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | *nope | May 13 14:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe the guy can say no | May 13 14:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | I doubt the girl can | May 13 14:58 |
| bnchs | they do that for money | May 13 14:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | to keep is in the family/ies | May 13 14:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | but it's a lame excuse | May 13 14:58 |
| MinceR | http://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/please-refrain-from-barking.jpg ( https://www.engrish.com/2021/03/but-my-meowing-is-okay/ ) | May 13 14:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.engrish.com | But my meowing is okay? | May 13 14:59 | |
| schestowitz-TR | matrimony without love is more likely to end in murder or acid | May 13 14:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | or unhealthy abuse, like beating up and mental torture | May 13 14:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | MinceR: no DMX allowed then | May 13 15:00 |
| schestowitz | https://yewtu.be/watch?v=ThlhSnRk21E | May 13 15:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | DMX - Ruff Ryders' Anthem - Invidious | May 13 15:00 | |
| bnchs | schestowitz-TR, "without love" there's obviously never love at all | May 13 15:01 |
| bnchs | the marriages end up being unstable | May 13 15:01 |
| bnchs | they only married so that they can compare jobs with other wives' husbands | May 13 15:01 |
| schestowitz | https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Yz15NVfrXZI | May 13 15:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | DMX barking - Invidious | May 13 15:01 | |
| schestowitz-TR | he died some years ago | May 13 15:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | very messed up life overall | May 13 15:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | his music is good for workouts | May 13 15:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | bnchs: let the women work too | May 13 15:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | not just have kids | May 13 15:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | and they they won't be a prisoner of the husband's salary | May 13 15:04 |
| psydruid | https://www.globalresearch.ca/wef-agenda-behind-modi-farm-reform/5737472 | May 13 15:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ https://www.globalresearch.ca/wef-agenda-behind-modi-farm-reform/5737472 ) | May 13 15:04 | |
| schestowitz-TR | I know women can work there too | May 13 15:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | but few tdo | May 13 15:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | *do | May 13 15:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | bill 'modi' gates | May 13 15:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | the epsteinite candiate | May 13 15:04 |
| bnchs | schestowitz-TR, they can work | May 13 15:04 |
| bnchs | they're just.. lazy | May 13 15:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe it's not in the culture | May 13 15:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | many women here work | May 13 15:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | and can live independently | May 13 15:05 |
| *psymin (~psymin@me3biw7mdts84.irc) has joined #techrights | May 13 15:05 | |
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| schestowitz-TR | [14:57] <schestowitz-TR> "try before you buy" | May 13 15:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | to be clear, it's about personality | May 13 15:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | not sex | May 13 15:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's good to try to see how you get alogn with a person | May 13 15:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | not to let parents do guessing | May 13 15:08 |
| techrights-news | Ubuntu 22.10 Daily Build • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164806 | May 13 15:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 22.10 Daily Build | Tux Machines | May 13 15:08 | |
| schestowitz-TR | most people don't marry their first partner | May 13 15:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | and although break-up can hurt | May 13 15:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | being stuck with a person who was never suitable for you for 40-70 years can be painful for a lifetime | May 13 15:09 |
| techrights-news | Available Fedora 36 with GNOME 42 and Wayland for NVIDIA http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164681#comment-33650 | May 13 15:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora Linux 36 Is Here with GNOME 42, Linux Kernel 5.17, and Wayland for NVIDIA Users | Tux Machines | May 13 15:12 | |
| techrights-news | "some people follow aspirational instagrams where it's like rich people with nice cars and expensive dinners / vacations. my aspirational lifestyle that i follow on instagram is like micro-celebrity artists and musicians that live in bushwick." gemini://alex.flounder.online/journal.gmi | May 13 15:14 |
| techrights-news | "I respect anyone who has a blog. Substack doesn’t count. I am of the archaic opinion that not everything on the internet has to or should be for money" gemini://alex.flounder.online/journal.gmi | May 13 15:14 |
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| *bnchs (~bnchs@xjb4h7za4n7nw.irc) has joined #techrights | May 13 15:17 | |
| activelow | digging into vim plugins... regretting every minute i wasted with eclipse ide | May 13 15:23 |
| activelow | instead should have invested time into vim... don't know yet, debugger integration | May 13 15:24 |
| techrights-news | "Aside from the scripting refactor, the most exciting part of this as far as I'm concerned is the switch to an asynchronous IO model courtesy of libevent2! I've also updated the URI handling to use proper PCRE, which has cleaned-up that part of the code nicely." gemini://gemini.panda-roux.dev/log/entry/43 | May 13 15:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | activelow: eclipse is a pig | May 13 15:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | I used to use that for android development | May 13 15:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | before gulag made its own | May 13 15:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | IDEs need to JUSTIFY their ftaness | May 13 15:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | they might be OK | May 13 15:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | but they have a burden of justifying their existence | May 13 15:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | text editor with syntax highlighting | May 13 15:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | add compiler | May 13 15:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | add debugger | May 13 15:25 |
| activelow | the debugger integration with eclipse was ok... until i realized with perl this was troublesome | May 13 15:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | and then you already push it | May 13 15:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | because some people don't want the debugger | May 13 15:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | and some wanr 4 terminal windows with compiler stuff in them | May 13 15:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | not one IDE with panes | May 13 15:25 |
| activelow | my opinion, vim for c-development with debugging etc. is a must have; eclipse is a nice to have at best | May 13 15:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | I usually started with IDEs | May 13 15:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | and ended up moving to text editors | May 13 15:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | not the other way around | May 13 15:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | the IDE is like assistive bucyclle wheels | May 13 15:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | once you can ride a bike they are just a nuisnace | May 13 15:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | if you don't move, put the feet down | May 13 15:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | same for skiing | May 13 15:27 |
| activelow | problem with eclipse (and many others, such as matlab/octave, spyder ide), such tools screw thinking | May 13 15:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | ides are rigid | May 13 15:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | and as get more bloated culstimising them is harder beyond what the gui allows | May 13 15:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | and if you want to develop over a network | May 13 15:28 |
| activelow | the brain becomes accustomed to it, adapts to it, until the headache becomes intolerable (which it was with eclipse) | May 13 15:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | you need a whole GUI sent over a network | May 13 15:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | and cannot run in screen/tmux | May 13 15:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | so you are confining yourselves to developing not on the target machine/s | May 13 15:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | 1990s with slow internet maybe OK | May 13 15:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | but now you can manage the file in a text editor over ssh | May 13 15:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | and run the program on a remote and powerful machine | May 13 15:29 |
| activelow | manager entire projects | May 13 15:29 |
| activelow | btw. vim integrates nicely with dvtm | May 13 15:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | android is worse | May 13 15:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | you usually need to send the program over to a device | May 13 15:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | the emulators are not good | May 13 15:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | they are not the real device | May 13 15:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | the sending of programs across to target device is time wasted | May 13 15:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | imagine a raspberry pu | May 13 15:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | *pi | May 13 15:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | you develop on your desktop | May 13 15:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | and then "send" the program to the pi | May 13 15:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | instead of just developing directly on the darn thing | May 13 15:31 |
| techrights-news | Security updates for Friday [LWN] ⚓ https://lwn.net/Articles/895202/ ䷉ Source: LWN | Kernel | Linux | May 13 15:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Security updates for Friday [LWN.net] | May 13 15:32 | |
| techrights-news | Richard Speed at El Reg helps Microsoft ATTACK GNU/Linux by shilling the utter unadulterated pile of garbage, WSL (spyware). URL omitted. | May 13 15:33 |
| techrights-news | Ubuntu LoCo Council has lost control of its blog. Almost every day (yes, today also) it has spam submitted as articles, which are later removed. Says a lot about the state of Ubuntu "community" http://techrights.org/2022/05/05/ubuntu-loco-council-crack/ | May 13 15:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Ubuntu LoCo Council Gone Loco or Just Cracked | Techrights | May 13 15:34 | |
| techrights-news | Ubuntu Core 22 Beta is now available https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-core-22-beta-is-now-available/28339 | May 13 15:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-discourse.ubuntu.com | Ubuntu Core 22 Beta is now available - IoT - Ubuntu Community Hub | May 13 15:35 | |
| techrights-news | Ubuntu trying to be Fedora to appease ICBM? https://git.launchpad.net/~chromium-team/chromium-browser/+git/snap-from-source/commit/?id=a4f41b5c065e14e954bc81d2d3e2b0c7fc26fc4d Don't be a slave of Big Blue, be practical | May 13 15:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.launchpad.net | ~chromium-team/chromium-browser/+git/snap-from-source - [no description] | May 13 15:36 | |
| MinceR | too late | May 13 15:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | for ubuntu, yes | May 13 15:37 |
| MinceR | and for canonical | May 13 15:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | wayland by default = playing with matches | May 13 15:37 |
| bnchs | richard stallman or richard speed | May 13 15:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | you are far more likely to break things than solve any real problem | May 13 15:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | richard Speed | May 13 15:38 |
| schestowitz | https://www.theregister.com/2022/05/13/wsl_ubuntu_preview/ | May 13 15:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Bleeding-edge Ubuntu on Windows Subsystem for Linux • The Register | May 13 15:38 | |
| schestowitz | Windows= BLEEDING EDGE!!! | May 13 15:38 |
| schestowitz | EDGE!!!! | May 13 15:38 |
| schestowitz | GET EDGE!!! | May 13 15:38 |
| bnchs | bleeding edge | May 13 15:38 |
| bnchs | it's BLEEDING | May 13 15:38 |
| bnchs | it's richard stallman because he stops | May 13 15:39 |
| bnchs | richard speed because he's on speed | May 13 15:39 |
| techrights-news | >Ubuntu 22.10 Daily Builds Available for Early Adopters http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164806#comment-33651 | May 13 15:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 22.10 Daily Build | Tux Machines | May 13 15:40 | |
| schestowitz-TR | EDGE is bleeding | May 13 15:40 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2022/05/08/china-and-edge-of-change-gnu-linux-policies/ | May 13 15:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | On the Cusp of Widespread Adoption of GNU/Linux in More Countries | Techrights | May 13 15:41 | |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2022/05/07/browsers-by-use/ | May 13 15:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | In Spite of All the AstroTurfing, ‘Microsoft’ Edge (Ripoff of Chrome) is Falling Every Month So Far This Year (Along With Windows) | Techrights | May 13 15:41 | |
| schestowitz | "Based on StatCounter, Microsoft’s Edge market share fell every month this year. Microsoft Edge’s share, all versions combined, from January to May: 4.12%, 4.06%, 4.05%, 4.05%, and 4.04%." | May 13 15:41 |
| schestowitz | MSIE all over again | May 13 15:41 |
| schestowitz | but this time a BILLION BUCKS wasted on marketing | May 13 15:41 |
| schestowitz | and shilling even in "Linux" sites | May 13 15:41 |
| schestowitz | sites that harmed themselves by participating | May 13 15:41 |
| techrights-news | "Looking at a distribution that is meant for gaming and is made by one the leaders in Linux Gaming industry... Glorious Eggroll. I personally think this distribution will be BETTER than Steam OS on release." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=yVEivfbJi1g | May 13 15:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | 🔴 Live - Nobara - Better than Steam OS? - Invidious | May 13 15:44 | |
| techrights-news | Steam Hardware Survey for the Deck will change PC gaming FOREVER (plus more Steam Deck news) - Invidious ⚓ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=_k2oZPks6wM ䷉ Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia | May 13 15:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Steam Hardware Survey for the Deck will change PC gaming FOREVER (plus more Steam Deck news) - Invidious | May 13 15:44 | |
| SomeH4x0r | I don't care how the gaming will be changed, I ignore newer games | May 13 15:45 |
| techrights-news | "Fedora 36 has been released and instead of looking at the flagship GNOME edition of Fedora, today I'm taking a first look at Fedora 36 i3 Spin." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=ZdbgDCwCs_w | May 13 15:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | A First Look At Fedora 36 i3 Spin (If I Get It Installed) - Invidious | May 13 15:45 | |
| schestowitz-TR | SomeH4x0r: "newer" games = shit to sell more shitty GPUs | May 13 15:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | at a time when energy bills soar | May 13 15:45 |
| *CrystalMath (~coderain@irwmvhs635z74.irc) has joined #techrights | May 13 15:46 | |
| bnchs | schestowitz-TR, here's this new game | May 13 15:47 |
| bnchs | poorly optimized | May 13 15:48 |
| bnchs | microtransactions | May 13 15:48 |
| bnchs | pay to do anything in the game | May 13 15:48 |
| bnchs | any game company microsoft bought they fucking ruined it | May 13 15:49 |
| bnchs | minecraft -> paid "mod" marketplace | May 13 15:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | why is minecraft even a thing, still? | May 13 15:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | 1) it was always ugly | May 13 15:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | reminded me of games I played in the early 90s | May 13 15:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's "lame" | May 13 15:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | ^(2) | May 13 15:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | (3) I doubt it's profitable at all | May 13 15:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | microsoft gets bailed out by trump and biden | May 13 15:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | then buys companies (staff) | May 13 15:51 |
| bnchs | it was literally just some indie game a swedish guy made | May 13 15:51 |
| bnchs | as some opengl java crap | May 13 15:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | then uses them (E.g. hololens) to justify more graft/bailout | May 13 15:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | in hololes, Microsoft FIRED ALL THE STAFF | May 13 15:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | so why on Earth is Biden paying for? | May 13 15:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | This is crime | May 13 15:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | they should send them to NC | May 13 15:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | to the firing squad | May 13 15:52 |
| bnchs | similar thing happened with minecraft | May 13 15:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | 22,000 MILLION dollars stolen | May 13 15:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | to bail out CRIMINALS | May 13 15:52 |
| bnchs | notch (the guy who made minecraft) said something bad | May 13 15:52 |
| MinceR | (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDbzkJGu8ao | May 13 15:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Invidious: https://invidio.xamh.de/watch?v=aDbzkJGu8ao | May 13 15:52 | |
| bnchs | he was boycotted and shit, and apparently erased from any credits minecraft had | May 13 15:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> invidio.xamh.de | Fluffy Chocolate Cake | Gabriel Iglesias - Invidious | May 13 15:52 | |
| schestowitz-TR | I spoke to a Microsoft employee about the hololens thing | May 13 15:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | many were mortified by what Microsoft did to hololens | May 13 15:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | just bought it and fired everyone! | May 13 15:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | and the media clap clap clap(ed) | May 13 15:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | and most of it pretends it's of some value | May 13 15:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | marketing gimmick for windows | May 13 15:54 |
| bnchs | "He stopped working on Minecraft after a deal with Microsoft to sell Mojang for $2.5 billion" | May 13 15:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | now for stealing 20,000 x 1,000,000 dollars from US taxpayers | May 13 15:54 |
| bnchs | and afterwards, he was erased from the credits | May 13 15:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | microsoft a criminal org | May 13 15:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | it should be put on trial | May 13 15:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | and executed | May 13 15:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | the company should be terminated | May 13 15:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | like ISIS | May 13 15:54 |
| bnchs | "A March 2019 Minecraft update removed all mentions of Persson from the game's menu, though his name is still in the credits." | May 13 15:55 |
| bnchs | "Persson was not invited to the game's tenth anniversary event later that year, with Microsoft saying that his views "do not reflect those of Microsoft or Mojang"." | May 13 15:55 |
| bnchs | don't care if you made minecraft | May 13 15:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | apropos ISIS, they too like to destroy history | May 13 15:55 |
| bnchs | you're not invited | May 13 15:55 |
| bnchs | in fact you NEVER made minecraft | May 13 15:56 |
| bnchs | bitch | May 13 15:56 |
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| schestowitz-TR | bnchs: about Persson | May 13 15:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | in a nutshell: | May 13 15:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | "well, he's dead" | May 13 15:56 |
| bnchs | he tweeted a ton of bullshit | May 13 15:57 |
| bnchs | but that doesn't mean you get to erase him from minecraft's history | May 13 15:57 |
| techrights-news | xkcd: Crêpe ⚓ https://xkcd.com/2619 ䷉ Source: xkcd | May 13 15:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xkcd: Crêpe | May 13 15:57 | |
| schestowitz-TR | bill gates does tweet a lot of shit :-) | May 13 15:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | and gets invited to media he bribes | May 13 15:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | PBS | May 13 15:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | BillBC | May 13 15:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | because sex trafficking for sexual access to kids is OK | May 13 15:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | "bill pays us" | May 13 15:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | "pinky promise" | May 13 15:58 |
| techrights-news | BillBC meddling for GAFAM abroad https://www.bbc.com/burmese/burma-61412051 | May 13 15:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ဖေ့ဘွတ်ခ်၊ တယ်လီဂရမ်နဲ့ အွန်လိုင်းပေါ်က ခြိမ်းခြောက်မှုများ - BBC News မြန်မာ | May 13 15:59 | |
| techrights-news | Distribution Release: ALT Linux 10.0 https://www.basealt.ru/about/news/archive/view/novaja-versija-os-alt-rabochaja-stancija-k-10-svobodno-integriruetsja-v-ljubuju-it-infrastrukturu-i-usilivaet-ejo-zashchitu | May 13 15:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.basealt.ru | Новая версия ОС «Альт Рабочая станция К» 10 свободно интегрируется в любую ИТ-инфраструктуру и усиливает её защиту | BaseALT | May 13 16:00 | |
| schestowitz-TR | XRevan86: our friend from Vievkow | May 13 16:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | he came back to his "homeland" | May 13 16:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | mother ship | May 13 16:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | to work on the distro of mothership | May 13 16:00 |
| bnchs | schestowitz-TR, here's his quotes | May 13 16:01 |
| bnchs | https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Markus_Persson | May 13 16:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikiquote.org | Markus Persson - Wikiquote | May 13 16:01 | |
| bnchs | "Mansplaining is a sexist term designed to silence men via gender shaming. " | May 13 16:01 |
| techrights-news | A cyberattack took down one of Russia’s largest video platforms for days https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/rutube-down-russia-hack-attack-ukraine-rcna28299 | May 13 16:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nbcnews.com | A cyberattack took down Russia's RuTube for three days | May 13 16:02 | |
| schestowitz-TR | I agree it is not a useful term | May 13 16:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | but he plays with fire | May 13 16:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | by using "reversism" | May 13 16:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | like claiming blacks are racisat | May 13 16:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | or women discriminate against men | May 13 16:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's victim/perpetrator reversal | May 13 16:03 |
| bnchs | "It's ok to be white" | May 13 16:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | he SAID something insensitive | May 13 16:03 |
| bnchs | tbh i see nothing wrong with these quotes | May 13 16:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | whereas Microsoft ACTIVELY ATTACKS women | May 13 16:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | "It's ok to be white" is a loaded statement | May 13 16:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | it implies there is widespread belief whites are nasty | May 13 16:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | which is not true | May 13 16:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | only a small minority spouts out such rhetoric | May 13 16:05 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Vievkow? | May 13 16:06 |
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| techrights-news | He's not wrong. Twitter is FAKING its numbers. https://www.theregister.com/2022/05/13/musk_twitter_on_hold/ see https://techrights.org/2022/04/16/twitter-lies/ | May 13 16:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Elon Musk puts Twitter deal on hold over bot count • The Register | May 13 16:06 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Twitter is Not as Important as the Media Wants Us to Believe | Techrights | May 13 16:06 | |
| schestowitz-TR | XRevan86: typo | May 13 16:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | but can be Vlak-Kyiv-Moscow | May 13 16:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | *Vlad | May 13 16:07 |
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| psydruid | the Vietcong are going to Moscow | May 13 16:09 |
| techrights-news | KDE Connect Brings iPhone Connectivity to Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164660#comment-33653 | May 13 16:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE Connect Arrives on iPhone and iPad For Linux Fans | Tux Machines | May 13 16:10 | |
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| schestowitz | <GORILLA warfare [sic] | May 13 16:12 |
| schestowitz | vlad: bring out the nukes | May 13 16:12 |
| schestowitz | nuke them in our streets | May 13 16:12 |
| schestowitz | MinceR grabs popcorn, watches the bill in the porcelain shop | May 13 16:13 |
| schestowitz | moscow in glass | May 13 16:13 |
| schestowitz | *bull | May 13 16:13 |
| MinceR | https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/navy-seal-copypasta | May 13 16:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-knowyourmeme.com | Navy Seal Copypasta | Know Your Meme | May 13 16:13 | |
| schestowitz | Vlad renamed Red Army "Sanders" | May 13 16:14 |
| schestowitz | for turning it into glass | May 13 16:14 |
| techrights-news | Videos: Fedora 36, Steam Hardware Survey, and More • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164807 | May 13 16:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Videos: Fedora 36, Steam Hardware Survey, and More | Tux Machines | May 13 16:15 | |
| MinceR | does it have a Colonel Sanders too? | May 13 16:15 |
| schestowitz | Vlad Joinery: world leader in GLASS | May 13 16:16 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: no, he died | May 13 16:16 |
| schestowitz | but they keep a glass monument of him | May 13 16:16 |
| MinceR | "Right now, I'd say that Russia is easily the second most powerful army in Ukraine." | May 13 16:17 |
| schestowitz | https://yewtu.be/watch?v=teSXcJlpMl8 | May 13 16:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Ukraine is weak - Invidious | May 13 16:17 | |
| schestowitz | https://yewtu.be/watch?v=VyNWVdExM24 | May 13 16:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Seinfeld - Risk - Invidious | May 13 16:17 | |
| techrights-news | Products getting WORSE over time https://www.maketecheasier.com/say-goodbye-ipod-pixel-headphone-jack/ | May 13 16:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | Say Goodbye to Both the iPod and Pixel Headphone Jack - Make Tech Easier | May 13 16:21 | |
| techrights-news | Wireless is a trap | benkuhn.net //www.benkuhn.net/wireless/ | May 13 16:23 |
| *MinceR sighs, plugs a usb ethernet dongle into his phone, and an ethernet cable into that | May 13 16:26 | |
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| techrights-news | Automatically make masking tape labels with this Arduino-powered machine https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/05/12/automatically-make-masking-tape-labels-with-this-arduino-powered-machine/ | May 13 16:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.arduino.cc | Automatically make masking tape labels with this Arduino-powered machine | Arduino Blog | May 13 16:27 | |
| bnchs | schestowitz, Notch (Persson) actually supports piracy | May 13 16:32 |
| techrights-news | Thousands call on U.S. FTC to make privacy and civil rights rule on data protection - Access Now ⚓ https://www.accessnow.org/ftc-privacy-civil-rights-rule/ ䷉ Source: accessnow | May 13 16:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.accessnow.org | Thousands call on U.S. FTC to make privacy and civil rights rule on data protection - Access Now | May 13 16:33 | |
| techrights-news | The EU AI Act: How to (truly) protect people on the move - Access Now ⚓ https://www.accessnow.org/eu-ai-act-migration/ ䷉ Source: accessnow | May 13 16:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.accessnow.org | The EU AI Act: How to (truly) protect people on the move - Access Now | May 13 16:33 | |
| bnchs | he hates DRM | May 13 16:35 |
| bnchs | and that's probably why he was bad to microsoft aswell | May 13 16:35 |
| techrights-news | This is how new Indian privacy law will have 'negative impact on people's privacy' | TechRadar ⚓ https://www.techradar.com/features/this-is-how-new-indian-privacy-law-will-have-negative-impact-on-peoples-privacy ䷉ Source: techradar | May 13 16:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-This is how new Indian privacy law will have 'negative impact on people's privacy' | TechRadar | May 13 16:36 | |
| techrights-news | Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164808 | May 13 16:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | May 13 16:38 | |
| SomeH4x0r | how good this place is for free speech? Are people banned for saying "bad" opinions? I know there used to be three bans set, though at least one of them was a spambot | May 13 16:38 |
| techrights-news | "This updated advisory is a follow-up to the advisory update titled ICSA-22-041-02 Siemens SIMATIC WinCC and PCS (Update A) that was published April 14, 2022, to the ICS webpage on cisa.gov/ics." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-041-02 | May 13 16:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cisa.gov | Siemens SIMATIC WinCC and PCS (Update B) | CISA | May 13 16:42 | |
| techrights-news | "An attacker could exploit some of these vulnerabilities to take control of an affected system." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ncas/current-activity/2022/05/12/adobe-releases-security-updates-multiple-products | May 13 16:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cisa.gov | Adobe Releases Security Updates for Multiple Products | CISA | May 13 16:44 | |
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| XRevan86 | https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/05/13/latvian-legislators-vote-in-favour-of-demolishing-soviet-monument-in-riga-news "Latvian legislators vote in favour of demolishing Soviet monument in Riga" | May 13 16:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-novayagazeta.eu | Новая газета. Европа | May 13 16:54 | |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▂▄▅▅▇▅▅▄▅▅▆▃▂▃▁▁▆▄▄█▃▄▃▅▆▅▄▅▅▅▆▄▅▁ avg(k/sec) 27.33 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▂▃▂▁▂▂▁▂▁▁▁▁▁▂▁▁▂▂▂█▁▁▂▁▂▁▂▁▁▂▁▁▁▁▂▁ avg(k/sec) 12.70▕ swarm size (avg): 479.58 ⟲ | May 13 16:59 |
| activelow | weird, it is the c-support plugin for vim which slowed down startup time from 1s to 5s | May 13 17:13 |
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| icu | destroing "monuments2 seems to be trending | May 13 17:20 |
| XRevan86 | All around, yes. | May 13 17:21 |
| XRevan86 | Russia is destroying monuments in Ukraine. | May 13 17:21 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/18110460 | May 13 17:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/jnsaczh127w11.jpg created on 2018-11-04 19:51:06.644855 | May 13 17:22 | |
| icu | slavers | May 13 17:22 |
| MinceR | well, it's not surprising that terrorists would go full ISIS | May 13 17:22 |
| icu | dictators | May 13 17:22 |
| icu | i 1st i remeber was saddam statue | May 13 17:22 |
| icu | well before was the nazi eagle and suastica | May 13 17:23 |
| icu | MinceR just as long has they dont destroy cat statues | May 13 17:24 |
| icu | taliban also seem to like it | May 13 17:25 |
| MinceR | there are cat statues in ukraine? | May 13 17:26 |
| icu | well who doesn't like a good firework display? | May 13 17:26 |
| icu | you off all people dont know? | May 13 17:28 |
| icu | https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/2d7cd7c2-7f86-4d51-9b89-462ddaa6a9a4_1.cea09fdd7c47e372113f0e23cd72baff.jpeg | May 13 17:29 |
| MinceR | not what comes to mind when i think of "statue" :> | May 13 17:30 |
| icu | MinceR are you on rehab? | May 13 17:37 |
| MinceR | no | May 13 17:38 |
| icu | i mean the cat addiction... | May 13 17:38 |
| icu | think of your family | May 13 17:39 |
| MinceR | look who's talking | May 13 17:40 |
| MinceR | you can't even live without oxygen | May 13 17:40 |
| MinceR | a few minutes without it, and you're dead | May 13 17:40 |
| bnchs | cats are cute :3 | May 13 17:41 |
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| icu | gladly the world is already working on it https://www.oxygenlevels.org/ | May 13 17:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.oxygenlevels.org | Historical Global Atmospheric Oxygen Levels Graph & Widget | May 13 17:42 | |
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| icu | soon i will have no adiction to 02 | May 13 17:42 |
| icu | just wait till the oceans go acidic | May 13 17:44 |
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| icu | that will kill my addiction 4 sure | May 13 17:44 |
| MinceR | :> | May 13 17:47 |
| bnchs | MinceR, do you live without oxygen? | May 13 17:48 |
| MinceR | no | May 13 17:49 |
| icu | death kill all additions | May 13 17:49 |
| icu | dont tell you are addicted to live? | May 13 17:50 |
| SomeH4x0r | Skywave: ^ ping perhaps | May 13 17:51 |
| bnchs | you are addicted to IRC | May 13 17:51 |
| icu | and mincer is my dealer | May 13 17:51 |
| SomeH4x0r | Skywave wants posthumanism | May 13 17:51 |
| SomeH4x0r | replace humans with bots | May 13 17:51 |
| icu | humans are obsolete | May 13 17:52 |
| bnchs | icu, your momma said you were obsolete | May 13 17:53 |
| bnchs | but unfortunately her request wasn't accepted | May 13 17:53 |
| icu | your mother was but yet here you are | May 13 17:54 |
| bnchs | i guess | May 13 17:54 |
| icu | its a mirical | May 13 17:54 |
| SomeH4x0r | childhood is slavery | May 13 17:54 |
| icu | praise good | May 13 17:54 |
| icu | fuck you all idiots | May 13 17:54 |
| bnchs | screw you guise | May 13 17:55 |
| bnchs | i'm going hewm!!!!! | May 13 17:55 |
| icu | fucking peeping toms | May 13 17:55 |
| SomeH4x0r | there are other IRC networks to take a look on | May 13 17:55 |
| icu | how do you live with your self creeps | May 13 17:55 |
| icu | yes go there | May 13 17:56 |
| icu | and pissoff | May 13 17:56 |
| SomeH4x0r | I'm connected to a few | May 13 17:56 |
| SomeH4x0r | and I'm also on XMPP | May 13 17:56 |
| icu | the king of pimps | May 13 17:56 |
| icu | or is it peeps | May 13 17:57 |
| icu | nothing like leaching people chats right? | May 13 17:58 |
| SomeH4x0r | idk | May 13 17:59 |
| icu | you dont? | May 13 17:59 |
| icu | off all people? | May 13 17:59 |
| SomeH4x0r | don't what? | May 13 18:00 |
| icu | im doing the questioning | May 13 18:01 |
| bnchs | icu, your mom went into the ICU, after you were born in the C section | May 13 18:02 |
| icu | if you say so err foktor | May 13 18:02 |
| bnchs | *sigh* i'm sorry | May 13 18:02 |
| bnchs | just wanted to vent a bit | May 13 18:03 |
| icu | you mean fart? | May 13 18:03 |
| bnchs | no | May 13 18:03 |
| bnchs | vent my feelings | May 13 18:03 |
| icu | feelings? i think you got it backwards | May 13 18:04 |
| bnchs | it doesn't matter | May 13 18:05 |
| icu | if you hammer something long enough it will become a nail | May 13 18:08 |
| activelow | found it... it was rxvt which altered /dev/ttyX permission of any node it acquired... | May 13 18:10 |
| activelow | and this is a weird linux default too -> crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 5, 0 May 13 17:03 /dev/tty | May 13 18:10 |
| activelow | there is many daemons running with distinct user accounts, which do _not_ require any tty at all, nonethless in case of any flaw elsewhere an exploit could acquire a tty due to this | May 13 18:11 |
| activelow | baphometos will do it differently: bsd pty, and mode 660 on /dev/tty owned by group tty... only users in group tty are permitted to access it | May 13 18:11 |
| activelow | this requires administrative care, noone on the system leaves dangling tty nodes it acquired chmod to 666 as rxvt does | May 13 18:12 |
| XRevan86 | https://theins.press/en/news/251246 | May 13 18:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-theins.press | Media reports: Fire bottles thrown at a military enlistment office in Omsk at night | May 13 18:12 | |
| activelow | dropbear ssh to alters tty permissions... which i don't know why what this would be required for | May 13 18:12 |
| icu | "Fire bottles"? | May 13 18:14 |
| XRevan86 | icu: Molotov's | May 13 18:14 |
| activelow | local root exploits remain dangerous nonetheless, yet if a remote-exploit could hijack any process without tty-group permission set, then there isn't any terminal for them | May 13 18:14 |
| icu | did a 5yo write this ? | May 13 18:14 |
| XRevan86 | icu: Don't pick on the translator. | May 13 18:15 |
| bnchs | fire bottles lol | May 13 18:15 |
| bnchs | bottles containing fire | May 13 18:15 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov_cocktail#Other_names eh, it is mentioned | May 13 18:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Molotov cocktail - Wikipedia | May 13 18:22 | |
| matey | perm-36 was also called molotov i think | May 13 18:22 |
| activelow | and vim c-support plugin require 5seconds to load together with vim... can't imagine noone else had noticed | May 13 18:37 |
| activelow | which was extremely annoying for years, because working on command line requires spwaning a vim process often | May 13 18:38 |
| activelow | otherwise i equipped vim with 70 plugins here which barely affects process launch time, remains below 1s; with c-support it jumps to 5s | May 13 18:39 |
| activelow | i mean, vim is intended as a widely available editor on almost all systems available, including hardware which is alot slower | May 13 18:41 |
| activelow | should a vim user wait 1minute then to launch vim with a tiny embedded system? | May 13 18:41 |
| activelow | too it is noteworthy nvi was wiped from the gentoo tree? why? it doesn't break with unicode (in comparison to the busybox-vi and elvis i tested), it is small and fast and sufficient for what one typically does with vi | May 13 18:43 |
| activelow | gentoo dropped official support for *bsd kernels... another one. there isn't any alternative to linux kernel anymore within gentoo realm. | May 13 18:45 |
| activelow | instead they'excited, linux can be compiled with mapple llvm/clang now (not tinycc i might add) | May 13 18:45 |
| activelow | very strange decisions, very strange priorities, for what "free software" was supposed to be... | May 13 18:45 |
| activelow | yet, once they'll loose the target audience, which is hackers, good luck then | May 13 18:46 |
| activelow | capable staff isn't recruited first and foremost in big corporations, many started in their garage | May 13 18:47 |
| techrights-news | GCC 12 Becoming Default Compiler in Tumbleweed • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164809 | May 13 18:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GCC 12 Becoming Default Compiler in Tumbleweed | Tux Machines | May 13 18:47 | |
| activelow | ^ current baphometos compiler is gcc-4.7 | May 13 18:47 |
| techrights-news | Toolforge GridEngine Debian 10 Buster migration • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164810 | May 13 18:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Toolforge GridEngine Debian 10 Buster migration | Tux Machines | May 13 18:47 | |
| techrights-news | Improving Calc support for 16384 columns • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164811 | May 13 18:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Improving Calc support for 16384 columns | Tux Machines | May 13 18:47 | |
| techrights-news | Google #Android Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164812 | May 13 18:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | May 13 18:48 | |
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| techrights-news | Irving Wladawsky-Berger: How Can You Trust the Predictions of a Large Machine Learning Model? ⚓ https://blog.irvingwb.com/blog/2022/05/how-can-you-trust-machine-learning.html ䷉ Source: irvingwb | May 13 19:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.irvingwb.com | Irving Wladawsky-Berger: How Can You Trust the Predictions of a Large Machine Learning Model? | May 13 19:01 | |
| XRevan86 | https://yewtu.be/O4YxxWStxsc <https://youtu.be/O4YxxWStxsc> Pretty. | May 13 19:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Арестовали любимую яхту Путина - Invidious | May 13 19:05 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Invidious: https://y.com.sb/watch?v=O4YxxWStxsc | May 13 19:05 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> y.com.sb | Арестовали любимую яхту Путина - Invidious | May 13 19:05 | |
| XRevan86 | "Putin's favourite yacht got arrested" | May 13 19:05 |
| techrights-news | Firefox hits the big 100: Why you should use this open-source browser now http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164392#comment-33654 | May 13 19:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Firefox 100 Is Now Available for Download, Enables GTK Overlay Scrollbars on Linux | Tux Machines | May 13 19:06 | |
| techrights-news | Maintaina Horde: Tumbleweed and PHP 8.1 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164809#comment-33655 | May 13 19:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GCC 12 Becoming Default Compiler in Tumbleweed | Tux Machines | May 13 19:08 | |
| techrights-news | Official SUSE blog: "504 Gateway Time-out" | May 13 19:09 |
| techrights-news | Left out the part about attacking FSF for self-promotional purposes https://sfconservancy.org/news/2022/may/12/introduction/ | May 13 19:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sfconservancy.org | New Software Freedom Conservancy Introduction Video - Software Freedom Conservancy | May 13 19:11 | |
| techrights-news | Steadily GNU/Linux will dominate more and more sector https://gamerant.com/steam-deck-influence-increase-linux-gaming/ | May 13 19:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gamerant.com | Stats Suggest the Steam Deck May Have Influenced an Increase in Linux Gaming | May 13 19:11 | |
| techrights-news | Graphics Hacking by Rosenzweig and Kristóf • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164813 | May 13 19:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Graphics Hacking by Rosenzweig and Kristóf | Tux Machines | May 13 19:19 | |
| techrights-news | Containers Software on GNU/Linux • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164814 | May 13 19:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Containers Software on GNU/Linux | Tux Machines | May 13 19:21 | |
| matey | < Dave2> lol, techrights. Irrelevant and wrong when it was Boycott Novell, irrelevant and wrong now. <- at its best when it was boycott novell | May 13 19:21 |
| matey | schestowitz-TR │ some prominent developers attribute to demise of Novell to us <- scapegoating | May 13 19:22 |
| matey | thats sheer pride on their part | May 13 19:22 |
| matey | they did it to themselves | May 13 19:22 |
| matey | rather blame someone else | May 13 19:22 |
| matey | Boycott Novell was pretty stupid because Novell never actually did anything bad <- thats... its amazing that a boob learned how to type all on its own | May 13 19:23 |
| matey | Novell never actually did anything bad <- the crackpipe is strong with this one | May 13 19:23 |
| matey | schestowitz-TR │ Novell conspired with Microsoft schestowitz-TR │ against Red Hat and everyone else <- yes | May 13 19:24 |
| matey | schestowitz-TR │ and it failed <- sort of | May 13 19:24 |
| matey | some of the worst shit you see today, the worst destruction of gnu/linux/fsf, came out from the already-dead-and-gone novell | May 13 19:25 |
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| matey | the curse lives on, and ever since the name change techrights has thrown softballs at it | May 13 19:25 |
| matey | i really think its just a coincidence. its not the name that campaigned against mono | May 13 19:25 |
| matey | what is the progeny of systemd, where did they come from? what destroyed debian? | May 13 19:26 |
| matey | the linux foundation, its corruption | May 13 19:26 |
| matey | microsoft a leading factor-- but just as the usa traipses around the earth to prop up a corporate empire | May 13 19:26 |
| matey | while various countries (who tagged along for the ride, the profits, the carnage and exploitation) i mean | May 13 19:27 |
| matey | you can say microsoft is the worst if it (most likely) is, but lets not let the other bastards off the hook | May 13 19:27 |
| matey | its a known-- a given-- that microsoft uses proxies for its dirty work | May 13 19:28 |
| matey | reported here | May 13 19:28 |
| matey | and yet | May 13 19:28 |
| matey | foolishly, those proxies get a fairer shake than they deserve | May 13 19:28 |
| matey | without the proxies, microsoft would be dead and gone | May 13 19:28 |
| matey | so if we go easy on the proxies, we only help microsoft | May 13 19:28 |
| matey | and yeah, the proxies get softballs. its a bit shit | May 13 19:29 |
| matey | stick a fork in microsoft with one hand, give a leg up on the other hand | May 13 19:29 |
| matey | bas strategy | May 13 19:29 |
| matey | bad | May 13 19:29 |
| matey | bas works too | May 13 19:29 |
| matey | bas, bas | May 13 19:29 |
| matey | either way, dave is an idiot. he thinks novell was clean | May 13 19:30 |
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| matey | baseless claim | May 13 19:30 |
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| matey | absolute nutter | May 13 19:30 |
| matey | schestowitz-TR │ >> RMS is a fucking liability due to being a creepy fuck | May 13 19:31 |
| matey | schestowitz-TR │ what is "creepy fuck" | May 13 19:31 |
| matey | i can answer that one | May 13 19:31 |
| matey | a creepy fuck is anyone someone finds unattractive | May 13 19:31 |
| matey | i mean there are things one can DO that are creepy | May 13 19:31 |
| matey | but the way the word actually gets used, its mostly to lump in people who are PRESUMED to be unattractive with those who do bad things | May 13 19:32 |
| matey | its really not unlike the way people reacted to blacks during jim crow | May 13 19:32 |
| matey | i mean youre walking in broad daylight, on a busy street | May 13 19:32 |
| matey | and you "social distance" any time you see a black person | May 13 19:33 |
| matey | because what if... what if... theyre one of the BAD ONES | May 13 19:33 |
| matey | a lot of people react to men this way now | May 13 19:33 |
| psydruid | original nuttah | May 13 19:34 |
| techrights-news | NetworkManager 1.38 is out. https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/NetworkManager/NetworkManager/-/tags/1.38.0 | May 13 19:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gitlab.freedesktop.org | 1.38.0 · Tags · NetworkManager / NetworkManager · GitLab | May 13 19:34 | |
| psydruid | is that dave plummer in disguise? | May 13 19:34 |
| matey | so many people have said "all men are rapists" that i cant find the person to attribute it to | May 13 19:36 |
| matey | too many candidates. | May 13 19:36 |
| matey | from this we can figure out what a "creepy man" is. | May 13 19:37 |
| matey | its a man, any man. | May 13 19:37 |
| matey | men are creepy. | May 13 19:37 |
| matey | and unattractive. and smelly. (the last one is true, but some people actually love the smell, which is actually the point of it) | May 13 19:37 |
| matey | WITHIN REASON of course. if you dont wash that (attractive) smell off, it does become rancid and... ew. | May 13 19:38 |
| matey | women steal mens shirts for a reason. | May 13 19:38 |
| matey | its not a fashion statement, its a trophy. | May 13 19:38 |
| matey | theres nothing wrong with this | May 13 19:39 |
| matey | anyway, these people ban hate speech, but they really dont | May 13 19:39 |
| matey | its not hate speech when its directed at whatever group is targeted for reeducation | May 13 19:40 |
| matey | its not hate speech when its at "cis white men" | May 13 19:40 |
| matey | or so they say | May 13 19:40 |
| matey | so thats what "creepy fuck" means | May 13 19:40 |
| matey | it means that like when jews were dehumanised so they could be exterminated more easily | May 13 19:40 |
| techrights-news | Raspberry Pi Reptile Cam Monitors Lizards for Optimal Support • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164815 | May 13 19:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Raspberry Pi Reptile Cam Monitors Lizards for Optimal Support | Tux Machines | May 13 19:40 | |
| matey | men are subhuman disgusting animals. | May 13 19:41 |
| matey | and this is why some feminists (again, my best friend is a feminist) get compared to nazis | May 13 19:41 |
| matey | because the rhetoric is (in every single way) identical. | May 13 19:41 |
| matey | dehumanisation, calls for sterilisation (literally) and calls for extermination | May 13 19:41 |
| matey | if you trip over the wrong meme, its a dog whistle | May 13 19:42 |
| matey | if you dog whistle all day about eradicating men wholesale, NOT a dog whistle | May 13 19:42 |
| matey | left opportunists are always hypocrites of the highest order | May 13 19:42 |
| bnchs | i'm a man :( | May 13 19:42 |
| matey | youre a creepy duck! ()o< | May 13 19:43 |
| matey | the good news is that the longer this shit goes on | May 13 19:43 |
| matey | far from bringing on the rabid feminist apocalypse (which the alt-right hopes for and the mainstream right honestly fears) | May 13 19:43 |
| matey | people just get bored with it, realise its actually pretty fringe, and move on | May 13 19:44 |
| SomeH4x0r | I'm sometimes thinking about becoming transgender for political benefits | May 13 19:44 |
| matey | of course the media rides the wave and exploits it, like the do with everything | May 13 19:44 |
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| matey | <SomeH4x0r> I'm sometimes thinking about becoming transgender for political benefits <- thats a really dumb idea on a bunch of levels | May 13 19:44 |
| matey | but most of all-- i mean, from a purely opportunist argument that is | May 13 19:44 |
| matey | its a terrible idea because the motivation / advantage in doing so already dwindles and will continue to do so | May 13 19:45 |
| matey | so you missed the boat | May 13 19:45 |
| matey | and i dont think many people did that | May 13 19:45 |
| matey | like a small percentage of a tiny percentage, of | May 13 19:45 |
| matey | maybe as many people as you can count on two hands | May 13 19:45 |
| matey | i think most trans opportunists were probably leaning trans already | May 13 19:46 |
| matey | and maybe they got a little push from thinking it would buy them something politically | May 13 19:46 |
| techrights-news | Marcus Lundblad: GNOME Maps Spring Cleaning http://ml4711.blogspot.com/2022/05/maps-spring-cleaning.html | May 13 19:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ml4711.blogspot.com | My geek stuff blog: Maps Spring Cleaning | May 13 19:46 | |
| matey | maybe im underestimating the actual count, but i think the principle holds. | May 13 19:46 |
| matey | in other words, in practice its moot | May 13 19:46 |
| XRevan86 | SomeH4x0r: https://social.treehouse.systems/@ariadne/108184953377882814 https://vulpine.club/@violet/108184970225368175 | May 13 19:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-social.treehouse.systems | Ariadne Conill: "love to be literally followed by and then nearly …" - Treehouse Mastodon | May 13 19:46 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-vulpine.club | Violet :contains_thc:: "transphobia, violence" - The Vulpine Club | May 13 19:46 | |
| XRevan86 | SomeH4x0r: Benefits such as this? | May 13 19:47 |
| matey | but either way, more moot than before | May 13 19:47 |
| Ariadne | ya super beneficial | May 13 19:47 |
| XRevan86 | https://nitter.net/ChrisDYork/status/1524821976325431299 I keep hearing about Noam Chomsky embarrassing himself. | May 13 19:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.net | Chris York (@ChrisDYork): "Noam Chomsky claims Ukrainians aren’t actually demanding heavy weapons, that’s just western propaganda. Owen Jones just nods along. Suspect 44 million Ukrainians might have something to say about it." | nitter | May 13 19:47 | |
| matey | XRevan86 whats the dumbest thing hes ever said? (inconclusively, unscientifically, off the top of your head, with any bias assumed and whatever) | May 13 19:48 |
| XRevan86 | Of course when I hear statements from people around Zelensky like Podolyak, Arestovich, et al., they all say: heavy weaponry, much need. | May 13 19:48 |
| XRevan86 | matey: I can't say because I'm not following him. | May 13 19:49 |
| techrights-news | Annual Report: TDF’s (The Document Foundation) infrastructure in 2021 • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164816 | May 13 19:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Annual Report: TDF’s (The Document Foundation) infrastructure in 2021 | Tux Machines | May 13 19:49 | |
| icu | ukarania should use its nukes | May 13 19:49 |
| SomeH4x0r | are there any? | May 13 19:49 |
| Ariadne | they got rid of them | May 13 19:49 |
| Ariadne | whoopsie | May 13 19:50 |
| XRevan86 | The alleged nukes? :) | May 13 19:50 |
| icu | better bang for pound | May 13 19:50 |
| XRevan86 | they should strap them onto the biolab animals and deploy | May 13 19:50 |
| XRevan86 | Russia is trying the biolab thing again, yea. | May 13 19:51 |
| techrights-news | Sam Thursfield: Trying out systemd’s Portable Services • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164817 | May 13 19:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Sam Thursfield: Trying out systemd’s Portable Services | Tux Machines | May 13 19:51 | |
| icu | terget the kremlin | May 13 19:51 |
| XRevan86 | Ties them to Biden, Obama, Soros, et al. | May 13 19:51 |
| Ariadne | anyway, FSF finds itself trapped in a difficult circumstance | May 13 19:51 |
| matey | the fake /me though the only thing the biolabs were for was making the tap water that turns everyone into a gay frog | May 13 19:51 |
| matey | not enough backspace there | May 13 19:52 |
| matey | /me thought the only thing the biolabs were for was making the tap water that turns everyone into a gay frog | May 13 19:52 |
| Ariadne | RMS is, well, RMS. he is very intelligent, strong vision, is dedicated to it | May 13 19:52 |
| matey | FSF finds itself trapped in a difficult circumstance <- you mean a death spiral | May 13 19:52 |
| Ariadne | but RMS also eats his own toejam in public | May 13 19:53 |
| matey | aww fuck that | May 13 19:53 |
| Ariadne | which is what people mean by "creepy fuck" | May 13 19:53 |
| matey | i used to know a model who pulled out her own hair | May 13 19:53 |
| matey | nice person | May 13 19:53 |
| matey | same compulsion | May 13 19:53 |
| Ariadne | he is nice enough | May 13 19:53 |
| matey | very co-morbid with ocd and | May 13 19:53 |
| matey | but shes a woman so it doesnt make her a creepy fuck | May 13 19:54 |
| Ariadne | he is also not the person i would have fronting a movement | May 13 19:54 |
| matey | ocd and autism | May 13 19:54 |
| matey | /me points out that silence of the lambs decided to paint a guy who wanted to become a woman as a serial killing creepy fuck | May 13 19:54 |
| matey | you can make anyone into a creepy fuck if you want to | May 13 19:54 |
| icu | fronting a movement should be black and a women | May 13 19:54 |
| matey | i love eddie izzard, he covers this | May 13 19:55 |
| matey | "yeah, WEIRDO travestites" | May 13 19:55 |
| matey | "executive transvestite..." | May 13 19:55 |
| matey | "weirdo transvesties" | May 13 19:55 |
| icu | eddie izzard from the lizard people? | May 13 19:55 |
| matey | izzard (i dont know his preferred pronoun, i think hes still ok with he) has xcome out as trans | May 13 19:55 |
| matey | no, hes one of my favourite comedians of all time | May 13 19:55 |
| matey | anyway, the person running this channel can be a complete fucking hypocrite and rewrite history all she wants | May 13 19:56 |
| matey | im not listening to the corporate-shill bullshit | May 13 19:56 |
| icu | so its a stage name | May 13 19:56 |
| matey | complete hypocrite. | May 13 19:56 |
| matey | fuck that, youre backstabber and a liar. | May 13 19:56 |
| matey | a | May 13 19:56 |
| matey | i thought youd learned your lessoon | May 13 19:57 |
| matey | appaarently youre spineless | May 13 19:57 |
| matey | hypocrite. sellout. | May 13 19:57 |
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| techrights-news | GNOME Project Strategy in 2022 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164642#comment-33656 | May 13 19:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Robert McQueen (GNOME Foundation): Evolving a strategy for 2022 and beyond | Tux Machines | May 13 19:58 | |
| icu | people chating from mobiles.... | May 13 19:58 |
| icu | i bet hes using goggle assist | May 13 19:58 |
| XRevan86 | Ouch. | May 13 19:59 |
| bnchs | as if google assist even supports background connections | May 13 19:59 |
| XRevan86 | https://nitter.net/ggreenwald/status/1520751923355398144 May 1st | May 13 19:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.net | Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald): "Noam Chomsky, in an interview this week, says "fortunately" there is "one Western statesman of stature" who is pushing for a diplomatic solution to the war in Ukraine rather than looking for ways to fuel and prolong it. "His name is Donald J. Trump," Chomsky says. WATCH:" | nitter | May 13 19:59 | |
| icu | hes just copy pasting from twitter | May 13 20:00 |
| bnchs | idk what happened | May 13 20:00 |
| XRevan86 | icu: I do? | May 13 20:00 |
| XRevan86 | TechrightsBot-tr does? Who? | May 13 20:01 |
| XRevan86 | Anyway, I can't tell which statement is worse, but these are strong signs Noam Chomsky doesn't understand this war even in the slightest and has terrible sources. | May 13 20:01 |
| icu | im not bnchs no matter what he told you | May 13 20:01 |
| bnchs | what | May 13 20:02 |
| bnchs | what the fuck is happening | May 13 20:02 |
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| icu | Trump is going to end the war by decree | May 13 20:04 |
| icu | he just has to flash his beautiful signature and everyone will stop the was and start groping each others | May 13 20:05 |
| MinceR | lol | May 13 20:07 |
| XRevan86 | icu: He will kiss Putin, and he will turn into a beautiful prince(ss). | May 13 20:07 |
| MinceR | they'll both turn into beautiful princesses | May 13 20:07 |
| XRevan86 | And everyone will live happily ever after. | May 13 20:07 |
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| techrights-news | Chatty is an open-source Twitch Chat Client • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164818 | May 13 20:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Chatty is an open-source Twitch Chat Client | Tux Machines | May 13 20:31 | |
| schestowitz-TR | [20:01] <XRevan86> TechrightsBot-tr does? Who? | May 13 20:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | XRevan86: you talk to the bot? ;-) | May 13 20:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | [20:07] <MinceR> they'll both turn into beautiful princesses | May 13 20:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | the end | May 13 20:34 |
| techrights-news | From today on the Daily Links in Techrights will have a much better TOC at the top, it's generated algorithmically now. Same format as 14 years ago, but now with rich TOC. | May 13 20:36 |
| techrights-news | An odd version or vision of security https://finance.yahoo.com/news/linux-foundation-open-source-software-003000127.html e.g. http://techrights.org/2020/10/30/openssf-microsoft/ | May 13 20:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-finance.yahoo.com | The Linux Foundation and Open Source Software Security Foundation (OpenSSF) Gather Industry and Government Leaders for Open Source Software Security Summit II | May 13 20:37 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | With Microsoft in Charge, OpenSSF Seems More Like It’s About Back Doors — Not Real Security — Inside the Linux Foundation | Techrights | May 13 20:37 | |
| techrights-news | Allwinner T507 industrial processor powers automotive single board computer and module https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/05/13/allwinner-t507-industrial-processor-powers-automotive-single-board-computer-and-module/ | May 13 20:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | Allwinner T507 industrial processor powers automotive single board computer and module - CNX Software | May 13 20:39 | |
| techrights-news | "comes pre-loaded with Windows 11 Pro" so WHY cover this CNX??? https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/05/12/beelink-mini-s-is-cheaper-version-of-beelink-u59-jasper-lake-mini-pc/ | May 13 20:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | Beelink MINI S is cheaper version of Beelink U59 Jasper Lake mini PC - CNX Software | May 13 20:40 | |
| icu | TOC thermal overclock | May 13 20:40 |
| techrights-news | As long as Beelink FORCES you to pay Microsoft and get malware (Windows) I don't see why CNX posts these pieces... except Beelink sends them GIFTS. | May 13 20:41 |
| techrights-news | Security Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164819 | May 13 20:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines | May 13 20:41 | |
| icu | Beelink stings | May 13 20:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | Table of Contents | May 13 20:42 |
| MinceR | (cat) https://ircz.de/p/22051332 | May 13 20:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living https://ram.komica2.net/00/src/1652186839018.jpg created on 2022-05-13 12:10:36.199941 | May 13 20:43 | |
| icu | what was that site you could test your acronyms ? | May 13 20:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | wikipedia? | May 13 20:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | there are many acrynym expanders/DBs online | May 13 20:45 |
| MinceR | cyborger! | May 13 20:45 |
| icu | Temperate Oxidation Coefficient | May 13 20:49 |
| icu | Telnet Ospf Captcha | May 13 20:50 |
| icu | how to something smart thats meanigless | May 13 20:50 |
| icu | Trackback Outbox Cyberbullying | May 13 20:51 |
| icu | https://www.abbreviations.com/acronym-generator | May 13 20:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.abbreviations.com | The Acronym Generator | May 13 20:52 | |
| icu | you can even do a quiz | May 13 20:52 |
| MinceR | Cyberbullying: Beyond Earth | May 13 20:53 |
| icu | CBE? | May 13 20:53 |
| MinceR | no, just possibly the funniest map name from Ancient Aliens | May 13 20:53 |
| techrights-news | Links 13/05/2022: GCC 12 Becoming Default Compiler in Tumbleweed | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/05/13/gcc-12-becoming-default-compiler-in-tumbleweed/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/13/gcc-12-becoming-default-compiler-in-tumbleweed/ | May 13 20:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 13/05/2022: GCC 12 Becoming Default Compiler in Tumbleweed | Techrights | May 13 20:58 | |
| techrights-news | Today’s 𝘛𝘶𝘹 𝘔𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴 Leftovers (mostly programming) • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164820 | May 13 20:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers (mostly programming) | Tux Machines | May 13 20:58 | |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▅▆▇▃▄▅▆▅▅▆▆▅▂▂▅▄▅▅▅▅▃▄▄▄▅▅▂▅▃▇▅▅▆▅▅▇▄▅▅▁ avg(k/sec) 23.45 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▂▁▁▁▂▁▂▁▂▂▁▁▁▁▁▂▂▂▁▁▁▁▂▁▂▁▁▁▁▂▁▂▁▂▁▂▁ avg(k/sec) 20.50▕ swarm size (avg): 485.30 ⟲ | May 13 20:59 |
| AdmFubar | https://www.darkreading.com/risk/fraudulent-bot-driven-college-enrollment-up-50-new-study-finds | May 13 21:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.darkreading.com | Fraudulent 'Bot-driven' College Enrollment up 50%, New Study Finds | May 13 21:03 | |
| icu | FBC | May 13 21:03 |
| icu | Fuel Bioinformatic College Ecosystem | May 13 21:05 |
| icu | this one fits perfectlly | May 13 21:05 |
| icu | Fraudulent 'Bot-driven' College Enrollment Fuels Bioinformatic College Ecosystem | May 13 21:06 |
| techrights-news | NVIDIA goes OPEN SOURCE, China moves to Linux, and Fortnite on Linux - Linux and open source news - Invidious ⚓ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Rwh0wby2E50 ䷉ Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia | May 13 21:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | NVIDIA goes OPEN SOURCE, China moves to Linux, and Fortnite on Linux - Linux and open source news - Invidious | May 13 21:07 | |
| icu | better then you regular news titles | May 13 21:08 |
| techrights-news | Ubuntu or Canonical will keep pushing Microsoft until nobody bothers with Ubuntu https://ubuntu.com//blog/new-active-directory-integration-features-in-ubuntu-22-04-part-2-group-policy-objects see http://techrights.org/2022/05/11/canonical-boosting-windows/ | May 13 21:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-New Active Directory Integration features in Ubuntu 22.04 (part 2) – Group Policy Objects | Ubuntu | May 13 21:08 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Ubuntu (Canonical) Will Not Help Us Get Rid of Windows (Microsoft) | Techrights | May 13 21:08 | |
| techrights-news | Meanwhile LXer peddles WSL again, perhaps not understanding that that this is how Microsoft is ATTACKING GNU/Linux. WSL needs to die. It's not a a gateway, it's E.E.E. | May 13 21:09 |
| icu | Ubuntu is the dieng elephant going to rest at ms boneyard | May 13 21:10 |
| icu | actually none benifits more from linux diening then apple and google | May 13 21:11 |
| techrights-news | Cloudflare has rapidly turned from nuisance into terminal cancer. Lots of Web sites I can no longer access (not even their RSS feeds!!!!!!!!!!) not because I use Tor but because I do not (and cannot) run proprietary JavaScript. Cloudflare as a company is NOT profitable. It LOSES money. It needs to shut down operations!! The sooner, the better. | May 13 21:12 |
| icu | if apple didnt come along linux would have 10% market share | May 13 21:12 |
| techrights-news | The founder of cloudflare (clownflare) is dead BTW. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22878136 | May 13 21:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.ycombinator.com | What Happened to Lee | Hacker News | May 13 21:13 | |
| schestowitz-TR | apple did not "come alongm | May 13 21:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | apple has been around since the 1970s | May 13 21:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | gnu/linux has vastly more share than apple | May 13 21:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | but it's not for-profit | May 13 21:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | and in laptops it's not used as much | May 13 21:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | no marketing | May 13 21:15 |
| techrights-news | AlmaLinux OS 8.6 Is Now Available for Download http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164781#comment-33657 | May 13 21:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | CentOS Alternative AlmaLinux OS 8.6 Is Now Available for Download, Based on RHEL 8.6 | Tux Machines | May 13 21:15 | |
| bnchs | i remember hackintosh | May 13 21:15 |
| bnchs | that was before apple switched to ARM | May 13 21:15 |
| icu | i remenber bootcamp | May 13 21:16 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/18110448 | May 13 21:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/4eqmocrlm7w11.jpg created on 2018-11-04 15:38:46.511838 | May 13 21:16 | |
| icu | apple only now switched to ARM | May 13 21:17 |
| icu | best thing about apple hardware was that you could install windows or linux on it | May 13 21:17 |
| MinceR | they've been using ARM in their glorified featurephones for ages | May 13 21:17 |
| psydruid | I remember Powermacs | May 13 21:17 |
| techrights-news | Linux Foundation is a source of FUD against Linux. Well, look who controls the organisation. https://venturebeat.com/2022/05/13/how-much-will-it-cost-to-secure-open-source-software-openssf-says-147-9m/ | May 13 21:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How much will it cost to secure open-source software? OpenSSF says $147.9M | VentureBeat | May 13 21:18 | |
| icu | ap'ple made trojanware the industry stANDARD | May 13 21:19 |
| MinceR | also they made closed platforms popular | May 13 21:19 |
| techrights-news | This report cites Microsoft proxies as "sources" regarding "Open Source" security... | May 13 21:19 |
| icu | YOU CANT HAVE A TROJAN OPENSOURCE AND SELL IT WITH A STRAIGHT FACE´~ | May 13 21:20 |
| techrights-news | Microsoft loves Linux so much that it cannot stop raping it | May 13 21:20 |
| techrights-news | Linux Foundation quotes Jim Zemlin on security like Zemlin is a technical person. He is not. Charade, theatre, kakistocracy for FUD | May 13 21:23 |
| techrights-news | If you are a Linux user, Linux Foundation does not represent you. If you are a Microsoft fan, then maybe Linux Foundation does speak for you. | May 13 21:23 |
| techrights-news | "Russia threatens internet service providers, while exerting propaganda and stretching control over the flow of information in the occupied territories." https://www.accessnow.org/digital-rights-ukraine-russia-conflict/ | May 13 21:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.accessnow.org | Updates: Digital rights in the Russia-Ukraine conflict - Access Now | May 13 21:24 | |
| techrights-news | Western lies: "PROFESSIONAL journalism" (sponsored by oligarchs like Bezos). Russian lies: "disinformation". Consider the possibility that both are lying. They lie differently. They have different interests. Sometimes. | May 13 21:25 |
| AdmFubar | they will milk fruit users for all they can get for this https://www.firstpost.com/tech/science/apple-working-on-secret-space-network-for-iphones-satellite-phones-10668431.html | May 13 21:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Apple is apparently planning to launch a secret space network for iPhones- Technology News, Firstpost | May 13 21:26 | |
| icu | it will make pegasus software undetectable | May 13 21:27 |
| techrights-news | History of mankind: our lies are just white lies, well intended. THEIRS are malicious and malevolent. | May 13 21:27 |
| activelow | quickly tested mksh and zsh as drop-in replacement for bash with gentoo... epic fail... don't see a chance to keep gentoo without bash | May 13 21:27 |
| activelow | meaning it will be all gone one day: gentoo, portage, bash... | May 13 21:27 |
| techrights-news | Zemlin works for Microsoft. He's just not aware of it. | May 13 21:27 |
| activelow | once the system profile is stabilized, the complicated dependency tracking with gentoo won't be necessary anymore | May 13 21:28 |
| activelow | don't know all details, what POSIX covered with shell capabilities, in practice there isn't portability | May 13 21:29 |
| techrights-news | Microsoft is transmitting malware again, but guess who the media will blame (perpetrators and victims, not the carrier) https://linuxstoney.com/attack-on-german-companies-through-npm-packages/ see http://techrights.org/2022/02/28/microsoft-github-expose-part-xviii-the-story-of-npm/ | May 13 21:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Attack on German companies through NPM packages - LinuxStoney | May 13 21:29 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft GitHub Exposé — Part XVIII — The Story of NPM | Techrights | May 13 21:29 | |
| icu | i think slackware is the distro for me | May 13 21:29 |
| activelow | i need a rudimentary dependency tracking | May 13 21:30 |
| icu | it doesnt draggs in 100 dependecies | May 13 21:30 |
| techrights-news | SUSE works like little but subsidiary of SAP. It even attacks the FOUNDER of GNU/Linux. While PUSHING mostly PROPRIETARY software (yes, RMS is harmful to this agenda, no doubt) https://www.suse.com/c/analytics-in-the-cloud-how-and-why-it-is-important-for-your-organization/ | May 13 21:30 |
| activelow | all linux with gnu userspace do, often, except for some niche minimal ones with busybox | May 13 21:30 |
| icu | you install x program if it doesnt work you just have to live with out it | May 13 21:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | slacware has a ton og goodwill still going for it | May 13 21:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | it never got corrupted | May 13 21:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | with gentoo the founder sold out | May 13 21:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | slackware's name came under attack | May 13 21:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | from a company that called itself "slack" | May 13 21:31 |
| activelow | good question, how slackware tracks dependencies then, at some time they must do it | May 13 21:31 |
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| activelow | implicitely or explicitely | May 13 21:31 |
| techrights-news | Kernel 5.15.39 compiled in Easy Bookworm ⚓ https://bkhome.org/news/202205/kernel-51539-compiled-in-easy-bookworm.html ䷉ Source: bkhome | May 13 21:32 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77 | May 13 21:32 |
| icu | there needs to be a unified progrming framework | May 13 21:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | within what context? | May 13 21:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | lack of competition is not good | May 13 21:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | standards are OK | May 13 21:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | consortia across industry | May 13 21:33 |
| icu | you can do a program and it will run everywere with out depending on x y z DE | May 13 21:33 |
| icu | like midi files | May 13 21:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | even competiting standards bodies can be good | May 13 21:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | so the rotten, corrupt ones perish | May 13 21:34 |
| activelow | posix... wasn't this stallman's term for it? | May 13 21:34 |
| bnchs | icu: midi files are dependent on a soundfont/syntheizer | May 13 21:34 |
| bnchs | and sounds different depending on THAT | May 13 21:34 |
| icu | a yes thats exactlly what i mean | May 13 21:35 |
| bnchs | so you want a program that runs differently | May 13 21:35 |
| bnchs | but has the identical output? | May 13 21:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | yes, posic is a term of rms | May 13 21:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | *posix | May 13 21:35 |
| icu | its runs the same it only uses each DE bells and wistles | May 13 21:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | of course some people like to pretend all rms ever did was mention esptein in some mit email to a large group of people | May 13 21:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | and wrote some dumb sentence of two in his site a decade ago | May 13 21:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | after some gnu contributor wrote to him | May 13 21:36 |
| bnchs | schestowitz-TR, he wrote a VR robot fanfic in his site | May 13 21:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | I never saw that | May 13 21:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | he does write a lot | May 13 21:38 |
| icu | the program will have a set of parameters to define the menus the window size whatever and the DE just translates it to its way of drwing stuff | May 13 21:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | for 30+ years | May 13 21:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | he also wrote a lot of code | May 13 21:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | very productive, all this while traveling to give talk and speak to polticians | May 13 21:38 |
| techrights-news | Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164821 | May 13 21:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | May 13 21:39 | |
| icu | like midi doesnt care what the translation of its parameters are | May 13 21:39 |
| bnchs | schestowitz-TR, https://stallman.org/articles/made-for-you.html | May 13 21:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | Made for You | May 13 21:39 | |
| schestowitz-TR | activelow beat me to it re midi | May 13 21:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | midi is not unified | May 13 21:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | I gew up doing tons of midi | May 13 21:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | and even back then some sound cards played it poorly | May 13 21:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | you could get a rewndered version of it to wav | May 13 21:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | or later mp* | May 13 21:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | but midi is just a spec | May 13 21:40 |
| bnchs | mod files are better | May 13 21:40 |
| icu | its not up to the midi files to tell you how or in what way to translate its paremeters | May 13 21:40 |
| icu | whats sound lib you are using | May 13 21:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | the output is not predictable | May 13 21:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | not at the slightest | May 13 21:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | even the length an istrument plays is not specified | May 13 21:41 |
| icu | you might want to play the same music on stribgs and it does | May 13 21:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | or the speed | May 13 21:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | so the same midi file will give you many rendition | May 13 21:41 |
| icu | you might wnat it use the metals section and it does | May 13 21:41 |
| bnchs | it depends on the sound font | May 13 21:42 |
| bnchs | the soundlib | May 13 21:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | activelow and I were born a month apart, iirc, so we probably saw the adlib generation and other sound blaster things making widely different sounds | May 13 21:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | but young people don't understand that | May 13 21:42 |
| icu | like a program would render on gnome completelly difrent then kde but with same functionallity | May 13 21:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | back then to store a 10MB MP3 or 100MB FLAC was not possible | May 13 21:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | my whole HDD/HD was like 170KB, inc. OS | May 13 21:42 |
| bnchs | icu: what if a soundfont lacks the instrument to play a certain note | May 13 21:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | *170MB | May 13 21:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | games would therefore send commands to the sound card | May 13 21:43 |
| icu | also that would make programs possible alot slimmer | May 13 21:43 |
| bnchs | or the soundlib doesn't know what a certain MIDI event means | May 13 21:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | not stream of output | May 13 21:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | like with opencl/gl | May 13 21:43 |
| icu | an instrument can arguablly play any note | May 13 21:44 |
| icu | in fact theres only 7 | May 13 21:44 |
| bnchs | no | May 13 21:44 |
| icu | yes | May 13 21:44 |
| bnchs | i mean a midi track set to an undefined instrument | May 13 21:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | iirc, tempo is not defined | May 13 21:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | but has defaults | May 13 21:45 |
| icu | thats the "DE" job to chose the "instrument" | May 13 21:45 |
| bnchs | i had many experience with midi files | May 13 21:46 |
| icu | this is just a metaphore | May 13 21:46 |
| techrights-news | Cockpit 269 https://cockpit-project.org//blog/cockpit-269.html | May 13 21:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cockpit-project.org | Cockpit 269 — Cockpit Project | May 13 21:46 | |
| icu | dont get stuck with mifi tecnicalities | May 13 21:46 |
| bnchs | yeah | May 13 21:46 |
| bnchs | "When Sandra was three months old, she proudly told me that she had got a job designing meat vats, and that she had obtained adult status. "Now that I'm not your ward, we can make love." My virtual reality gear had the necessary features, so we did that right away. " | May 13 21:46 |
| techrights-news | "A couple weeks ago the Fedora Community Outreach Revamp(FCOR) team announced that we would be organising an Ambassador Call Kick-off and collected feedback about availability." https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/youre-invited-fedora-ambassador-call/ | May 13 21:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-communityblog.fedoraproject.org | You’re invited: Fedora Ambassador Call – Fedora Community Blog | May 13 21:47 | |
| icu | you can use the same rationale to some extent with automatic translations | May 13 21:47 |
| techrights-news | ICBM schizo: one day is promotes clown computing (outsources), today is advocates "autonomy" https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/5/autonomy-more-important-flexibility | May 13 21:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-enterprisersproject.com | 3 reasons autonomy is more important than flexibility | The Enterprisers Project | May 13 21:48 | |
| icu | bnchs whats this thing about sara? | May 13 21:49 |
| bnchs | richard stallman's fanfic | May 13 21:49 |
| icu | sandra or whatever | May 13 21:49 |
| techrights-news | Red Hat Announces Upcoming Release of Red Hat Enterprise Linux 9 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164693#comment-33658 | May 13 21:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat: OpenShift, Keynotes, and RHEL 9 Released | Tux Machines | May 13 21:50 | |
| techrights-news | Local availability of fast flash drives https://bkhome.org/news/202205/local-availability-of-fast-flash-drives.html I saw TONS of them in Tesco today. Didn't feel like there was any real shortage at all. | May 13 21:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bkhome.org | Local availability of fast flash drives | May 13 21:51 | |
| icu | i dont see how is that relevant | May 13 21:51 |
| bnchs | nah it's just something | May 13 21:51 |
| techrights-news | How to 'cook' short-term profits: fake shortages, hope this will cause a panic-buying spree. Of course sales stop after that... but that's not your problem when you're an executive judged on a quarter-to-quarter basis. | May 13 21:52 |
| icu | you seem to be a RMS afictionado | May 13 21:52 |
| icu | sucks to be you | May 13 21:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | afictionado - no | May 13 21:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | sympathetic maybe | May 13 21:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | because we see him unfairly attacked a lot | May 13 21:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | his haters do not understand him | May 13 21:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | the antagonists use straw man arguments and lies | May 13 21:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | and by doing so they make him seem "martyr" | May 13 21:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's an own goal | May 13 21:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | e.g. | May 13 21:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | saying RMS supports Epstein | May 13 21:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | that's Bill Gates, not RMS | May 13 21:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | RMS loathes Epstein | May 13 21:54 |
| icu | that again? | May 13 21:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | and called him nasty things in his site | May 13 21:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | icu: yes, that again | May 13 21:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | it was never corrected | May 13 21:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | so it seems like a lot of anti-RMS people are happy to cushion lies | May 13 21:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's an own goal | May 13 21:54 |
| bnchs | he pissed off the wrong people | May 13 21:55 |
| icu | and you seem happy to talk alot about it so what does that makes you? | May 13 21:55 |
| bnchs | now they're up at his throat | May 13 21:55 |
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| techrights-news | "You’ve probably heard about “ad blockers,” “tab managers,” “anti-trackers” or any number of browser customization tools commonly known as extensions. And maybe you’re intrigued to try one, but you’ve never installed an extension before and the whole notion just seems a bit obscure." https://addons.mozilla.org/blog/extension-starter-pack/ | May 13 21:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-addons.mozilla.org | Extension starter pack - Firefox Add-ons Blog | May 13 21:55 | |
| schestowitz-TR | lol you just made me think: | May 13 21:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe you could joke that by attacking epstein he annoyed esptein's friend | May 13 21:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | so they chose him as the scapegoat | May 13 21:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | e.g. at MIT | May 13 21:56 |
| bnchs | scapegoat | May 13 21:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | to deflect attention | May 13 21:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | off Gate | May 13 21:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | Gates | May 13 21:56 |
| bnchs | gonna cut his throat like a Eid Al Fitr | May 13 21:56 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2019/12/21/police-report-bill-gates/ | May 13 21:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Mansion of Pedophilia – Part II: Dr. Stallman Defamed in the Media One Day After Request Made for King County Sheriff’s Office to Divulge Information About Pedophilia in Home of Bill Gates | Techrights | May 13 21:56 | |
| icu | this channel is a Qanon offshot | May 13 21:58 |
| techrights-news | ONLYOFFICE 7.1 Office Suite Update Released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164796#comment-33659 | May 13 21:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | ONLYOFFICE Docs v7.1 released: ARM compatibility, PDF to DOCX conversion, Print preview in spreadsheets and more | Tux Machines | May 13 21:58 | |
| schestowitz-TR | icu: haha, go on then.. | May 13 21:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | so pointing out FACTS about gates = "qanon" | May 13 21:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | congrats, you help defend the crooks | May 13 21:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | icu: quick or fast forward | May 13 21:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | the police in Seattle did hand over the us the report | May 13 21:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | almost 3000 pages | May 13 21:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | there was an arrest in Gates' mansion | May 13 21:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | there is no denying it | May 13 21:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | and we published most of the report (redacted) | May 13 22:00 |
| icu | screw you (only if you are over 19yo) schestowitz | May 13 22:00 |
| bnchs | lol | May 13 22:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's also a fact that Gates lost his wife because of the Esptein situation | May 13 22:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | I won't take insults for pointing out verified facts | May 13 22:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | unless you also think Seattle Police sat there writing all those pages for "shits and giggles" | May 13 22:01 |
| icu | who gives a fuck about gates? | May 13 22:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | or that Melinda Gates lied to the media | May 13 22:01 |
| icu | isnt this a linux channel? | May 13 22:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | you mentioned RMS | May 13 22:01 |
| icu | stop spamming BS | May 13 22:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | RMS was attacked over a straw man argument and lie | May 13 22:01 |
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| schestowitz-TR | spamming by posting in techrights? | May 13 22:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | totally on-topic stuff? | May 13 22:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | you could instead act like a grown-up and learn something | May 13 22:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | you can ask me for high-authority media references too | May 13 22:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | and learn what's happening | May 13 22:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | now what PR campaigns led you to think | May 13 22:02 |
| icu | grown-up? | May 13 22:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | yes | May 13 22:02 |
| bnchs | icu: are you a sysop | May 13 22:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | you seem resistant to factas | May 13 22:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | and resort to name-calling | May 13 22:03 |
| bnchs | are you the owner of this irc server | May 13 22:03 |
| icu | looks like kindergarden figer pointing | May 13 22:03 |
| bnchs | to determine whats on topic and whats not on topic | May 13 22:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | projection ^ | May 13 22:03 |
| icu | LOL | May 13 22:03 |
| techrights-news | When open source meets academic publishing: Platinum open access journals | ⚓ https://opensource.com/article/22/5/platinum-open-access-academic-journals ䷉ Source: opensource.com | May 13 22:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-When open source meets academic publishing: Platinum open access journals | Opensource.com | May 13 22:04 | |
| icu | i get you wanna decide whats my topic | May 13 22:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | I never called you names | May 13 22:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's more powerful to use facts | May 13 22:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | name-calling is what people do when effective/potent arguments have been exhausted | May 13 22:05 |
| icu | rgere are lots of facts | May 13 22:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | like saying "qanon" | May 13 22:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | qanon are brain-damaged people | May 13 22:05 |
| icu | i can shoose my facts | May 13 22:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | whom we always mocked | May 13 22:05 |
| bnchs | icu> who gives a fuck about gates? <-- asking it on #techrights | May 13 22:05 |
| icu | maybe they are moking you | May 13 22:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | and it's used as a straw man to demonise the actual thing | May 13 22:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | [08:32] <techrights-news> "Take Bill Gates. Forget all the conspiracy theories about Gates and vaccines – it's bizarre that people bother to make up those fairy-tales when the truth is so much worse." ☛ https://pluralistic.net/2022/05/11/a-dent-in-the-universe/#eminently-guillotineable | Source: CoryDoctorow | May 13 22:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | new | May 13 22:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pluralistic.net | Pluralistic: 11 May 2022 – Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow | May 13 22:06 | |
| schestowitz-TR | it's a PR tactic | May 13 22:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | make a truth seem like "truthers" | May 13 22:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | and "crazy" | May 13 22:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | by crating some distorted, fictional theories | May 13 22:06 |
| icu | i get it now Qanon was made to mock you idiots | May 13 22:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | no | May 13 22:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | the media props up bogus stories | May 13 22:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | to make it seem like the accurate accounts are the same | May 13 22:07 |
| icu | that makes sence | May 13 22:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | as the BS | May 13 22:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's an old PR tactic | May 13 22:07 |
| icu | makes sence too | May 13 22:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | when you cannot deny something | May 13 22:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | make a straw man | May 13 22:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | BillBC did that last week | May 13 22:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | Bill has paid them for a decade | May 13 22:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | and now they help him portray his critics as "cranks" | May 13 22:08 |
| icu | Bill is a pedo so what? | May 13 22:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | no | May 13 22:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | don't know | May 13 22:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | that's what the fools would leap to | May 13 22:08 |
| icu | whatever the facts are | May 13 22:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | but it's a fact that he was very close to Esptein | May 13 22:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | so close his wife divorced him | May 13 22:08 |
| icu | I DONT GIVE A SHIT | May 13 22:08 |
| icu | ~ | May 13 22:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | ok | May 13 22:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | later you will | May 13 22:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | you cannot hold the shit in for long :-) | May 13 22:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | bbl | May 13 22:09 |
| icu | me? | May 13 22:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | this chat became a waste of time | May 13 22:09 |
| icu | you just now discovered that? | May 13 22:09 |
| *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@v6xmmrhxmbafc.irc) has joined #techrights | May 13 22:09 | |
| icu | arent you the smart apple | May 13 22:09 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2021/05/04/media-still-distracts/ | May 13 22:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Media Frenzy Around Gates Divorce Helps Distract From Bill’s Crimes | Techrights | May 13 22:10 | |
| schestowitz-TR | icu: have a look | May 13 22:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's a roundup | May 13 22:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | you might find that helpful | May 13 22:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | I'll be back to IRC later, I strart work at 1am | May 13 22:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | and want to clean my RSS feeds | May 13 22:10 |
| icu | my interest in that is -100 | May 13 22:10 |
| techrights-news | [Buzzword] inspiration from Toyota Production System and Lean considered harmful https://blogs.fsfe.org/agger/2022/05/12/devops-inspiration-from-toyota-production-system-and-lean-considered-harmful/ | May 13 22:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.fsfe.org | DevOps inspiration from Toyota Production System and Lean considered harmful — agger's Free Software blog | May 13 22:11 | |
| techrights-news | "I felt a bit cheap compared to the other guests who were preparing full-on meals with avocado, rice and eggs, but this was inexpensive and quick which was important, since I was going to have a video call later the morning." https://blog.jabberhead.tk/2022/05/13/europe-trip-journal-entry-10-pub-crawl/ | May 13 22:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.jabberhead.tk | Europe Trip Journal – Entry 10: Pub Crawl – vanitasvitae's blog | May 13 22:11 | |
| bnchs | icu, what are you here for | May 13 22:12 |
| bnchs | nothing but mindless trolling? | May 13 22:12 |
| techrights-news | Free software brings people around the world together. Proprietary software brings intelligence agencies around the world together ("data sharing"... data about all of us). | May 13 22:12 |
| techrights-news | "Papercups is an open-source self-hosted live customer support tool web app written in Elixir language." https://medevel.com/papercups/ | May 13 22:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-medevel.com | Add a live chat to your website or web app with Papercups | May 13 22:13 | |
| icu | well to dig up Bill privet shit sure isnt one of them | May 13 22:13 |
| icu | i couldnt care less | May 13 22:13 |
| techrights-news | Leon is your next open-source personal assistant https://medevel.com/leon-ai/ | May 13 22:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-medevel.com | Leon is your next open-source personal assistant | May 13 22:13 | |
| techrights-news | sqlite-utils: a nice way to import data into SQLite for analysis https://jvns.ca/blog/2022/05/12/sqlite-utils--a-nice-way-to-import-data-into-sqlite/ | May 13 22:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jvns.ca | sqlite-utils: a nice way to import data into SQLite for analysis | May 13 22:14 | |
| icu | i dont read the SUN nor anyof that pink crap | May 13 22:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | the tabloids help gates | May 13 22:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | by promoting the crank stuff | May 13 22:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | and doing the decoy with BS stories | May 13 22:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | to discredit the reality using similar-sounding fiction | May 13 22:15 |
| icu | i dont care how verisimilitude it has | May 13 22:16 |
| Ariadne | i spend the overwhelming majority of my time not thinking either way about RMS, but i will say that he did not simp for epstein in the MIT mailing list thread in question | May 13 22:17 |
| techrights-news | Microsoft is not "Open Source Leader" https://www.linuxinsider.com/story/open-source-leaders-push-wh-for-security-action-176531.html | May 13 22:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Open Source Leaders Push WH for Security Action | LinuxInsider | May 13 22:17 | |
| techrights-news | White House Asking Proprietary Software Companies That Add NSA Back Doors About Their Views on ‘Open Source’ Security http://techrights.org/2022/01/14/white-house-security-theatre/ | May 13 22:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | White House Asking Proprietary Software Companies That Add NSA Back Doors About Their Views on ‘Open Source’ Security | Techrights | May 13 22:18 | |
| techrights-news | There is no "Magic" to it. Pure marketing. https://www.maketecheasier.com/best-alternatives-apple-magic-keyboard/ | May 13 22:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | 9 of the Best Alternatives to Apple's Magic Keyboard - Make Tech Easier | May 13 22:19 | |
| techrights-news | Introducing Easy Bookworm ⚓ https://bkhome.org/news/202205/introducing-easy-bookworm.html ䷉ Source: bkhome | easyOS | May 13 22:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bkhome.org | Introducing Easy Bookworm | May 13 22:19 | |
| techrights-news | ZDNet is once again helping Microsoft's attacks on GNU/Linux. I don't even want to link to that... | May 13 22:20 |
| techrights-news | ZDNet "Linux" section... brought to you by Microsoft media operatives like Mary Jo Foley. Avoid that site. They tarnish the brand. http://techrights.org/wiki/ZDNet#2022 | May 13 22:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | ZDNet - Techrights | May 13 22:21 | |
| techrights-news | Remi Collet: PHP version 8.0.19 and 8.1.6 https://blog.remirepo.net/post/2022/05/13/PHP-version-8.0.19-and-8.1.6 | May 13 22:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.remirepo.net | PHP version 8.0.19 and 8.1.6 - Remi's RPM repository - Blog | May 13 22:21 | |
| techrights-news | Debian (which we use on four machines) manages to recruit just one Developer a month. Not enough, DPL admits. Maybe they need better leadership. https://bits.debian.org/2022/05/new-developers-2022-04.html | May 13 22:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bits.debian.org | New Debian Developers and Maintainers (March and April 2022) - Bits from Debian | May 13 22:22 | |
| icu | who defines what dependencies a program needs? | May 13 22:23 |
| techrights-news | EasyOS .img file now not compressed ⚓ https://bkhome.org/news/202205/easyos-img-file-now-not-compressed.html ䷉ Source: bkhome | May 13 22:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bkhome.org | EasyOS .img file now not compressed | May 13 22:23 | |
| icu | i bet many dont need as much has they claim | May 13 22:23 |
| icu | just like app store apps with permissions | May 13 22:23 |
| icu | the spywareSOs store | May 13 22:25 |
| icu | LOL | May 13 22:25 |
| icu | spyware as a service | May 13 22:25 |
| icu | and people think google fb apple profits come from advertising | May 13 22:26 |
| *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) | May 13 22:26 | |
| techrights-news | LF brags about Windows program developed on Microsoft's proprietary prison https://linuxfoundation.org/featured/the-open-3d-foundation-announces-latest-enhancements-to-open-3d-engine-invites-o3dcon-call-for-proposals/ | May 13 22:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxfoundation.org | The Open 3D Foundation Announces Latest Enhancements to Open 3D Engine, Invites O3DCon 'Call for Proposals' - Linux Foundation | May 13 22:27 | |
| techrights-news | GNU/Linux Out Loud: "Welcome to episode 13 of Linux Out Loud. We fired up our mics, connected those headphones as we searched the community for themes to expound upon. We kept the banter friendly, the conversation somewhat on topic, and had fun doing it." https://tuxdigital.com/podcasts/linux-out-loud/lol-13/ | May 13 22:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-13: Distro of the Fledgling - Linux Out Loud - TuxDigital | May 13 22:28 | |
| techrights-news | The Second Best Time to Protect Your Privacy - Purism ⚓ https://puri.sm/posts/the-second-best-time-to-protect-your-privacy/ ䷉ Source: purism | May 13 22:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-puri.sm | The Second Best Time to Protect Your Privacy – Purism | May 13 22:29 | |
| techrights-news | openSUSE Tumbleweed – Review of the week 2022/19 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164809#comment-33660 | May 13 22:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GCC 12 Becoming Default Compiler in Tumbleweed | Tux Machines | May 13 22:30 | |
| icu | https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/13/calling-a-man-bald-counts-as-sexual-harassment-uk-judge-rules.html | May 13 22:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnbc.com | Calling a man bald counts as sexual harassment, UK judge rules | May 13 22:31 | |
| techrights-news | IP3 Awards Nominations - Public Knowledge ⚓ https://publicknowledge.org/ip3nominations/ ䷉ Source: publicknowledge (sadly now infiltrated by Microsoft) | May 13 22:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-publicknowledge.org | IP3 Awards Nominations - Public Knowledge | May 13 22:32 | |
| schestowitz-TR | icu | May 13 22:32 |
| icu | heil to england if only Bill would be a UK citizen | May 13 22:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | let me get this right | May 13 22:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | you post the above "man bites dog" clickbair | May 13 22:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | while accusing a TECHRIGHTS news bot in #TECHRIGHTS IRC of "spamming" | May 13 22:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | for posting tech news? | May 13 22:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | and then want to be taken seriously? | May 13 22:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | the above link is all gender wars | May 13 22:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | trying to incite genders against one another | May 13 22:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | the "men as victim" crowd | May 13 22:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | if you don't want to seem like a troll, then quit acting like one | May 13 22:34 |
| icu | bla bla bla | May 13 22:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | yeah | May 13 22:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | e4xactly | May 13 22:34 |
| bnchs | this is probably just a kid | May 13 22:34 |
| icu | i didnt made up this story | May 13 22:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | there are two channels suitable for CNBC clickbait | May 13 22:34 |
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| schestowitz-TR | #techpol and #boycottnovell-social | May 13 22:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | so we can focus on tech here | May 13 22:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | and now argue about divisive gender wars | May 13 22:35 |
| icu | maybe flooding is a better wording | May 13 22:35 |
| techrights-news | ZDNet spews out "LINUX" to promote MICROSOFT PROPRIETARY SOFTWARE. | May 13 22:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | icu: you can mute it | May 13 22:36 |
| icu | are you gona CoC me now? | May 13 22:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | if it's too much for you | May 13 22:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | see MOTD in this network | May 13 22:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | we don't have a CoC | May 13 22:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | we expect people to not be "dicks" | May 13 22:36 |
| icu | sounded like it | May 13 22:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | and to behave reasonably OK | May 13 22:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | you name-call | May 13 22:36 |
| icu | trying to incite genders against one another | May 13 22:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | so people will liekly ignore you | May 13 22:36 |
| Ariadne | techrights is not SOC2 certified | May 13 22:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | until you get bored | May 13 22:37 |
| Ariadne | so sad | May 13 22:37 |
| *schestowitz-TR back to posting links | May 13 22:37 | |
| icu | LOL | May 13 22:37 |
| bnchs | icu: pissed off? | May 13 22:37 |
| icu | you and your half a dosen of sad peeps | May 13 22:37 |
| bnchs | sure i'll post more links | May 13 22:37 |
| techrights-news | Look what companies are in this thing. They relay everyone's data to the NSA. That itself is a data breach. https://www.darkreading.com/application-security/linux-openssf-champion-10-point-plan-to-improve-open-source-security | May 13 22:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.darkreading.com | Linux, OpenSSF Champion Plan to Improve Open Source Security | May 13 22:38 | |
| icu | so will i | May 13 22:38 |
| bnchs | cool | May 13 22:38 |
| icu | https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/13/calling-a-man-bald-is-sexual-harassment-employment-tribunal-rules | May 13 22:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Calling a man ‘bald’ is sexual harassment, employment tribunal rules | Sexual harassment | The Guardian | May 13 22:39 | |
| icu | is this more palative to you your highness | May 13 22:39 |
| techrights-news | Steven Vaughan-Nichols is paid to have become a corporate writer for corporate front group, with his occasional defamation against the community | May 13 22:39 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz-TR: while i am skeptical that the OpenSSF will actually do anything useful, only a handful of the companies involved participate in PRISM :upside | May 13 22:40 |
| Ariadne | wow, stupid fucking irc client | May 13 22:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | Ariadne: yes it's not all bad | May 13 22:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | but they will not pursue a full solution | May 13 22:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | the approach they have is | May 13 22:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | we need your data | May 13 22:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | we pass it around | May 13 22:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | but trust us | May 13 22:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | notice no chinese and russian companies there | May 13 22:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's not about security | May 13 22:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's six-eyes | May 13 22:41 |
| Ariadne | you are aware that there are sanctions in place, right | May 13 22:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | yes | May 13 22:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | and LF complies | May 13 22:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | because LF is part of that | May 13 22:42 |
| icu | six-eyes is all bout security | May 13 22:42 |
| Ariadne | i mean they don't really have any option but to comply | May 13 22:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | sad | May 13 22:42 |
| Ariadne | failure to comply is literally a crime | May 13 22:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe we should re-decentralise Linux | May 13 22:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | like when it was in Helsinki | May 13 22:42 |
| Ariadne | the FSF also complies with the same sanctions | May 13 22:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | Helsinki is not yet in NATO | May 13 22:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | or six-eyes | May 13 22:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | and it doesn't send data to the fusion centres | May 13 22:43 |
| Ariadne | they deactivated the memberships of russian contributors because of the sanctions | May 13 22:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | intereting | May 13 22:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | I saw no reports on that.. | May 13 22:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | LibreOffice/TDF did something | May 13 22:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | but not for contributors | May 13 22:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | for a sponsor | May 13 22:43 |
| icu | The Price of Security is Eternal Vigilance -> thats what they think off "securtity" | May 13 22:44 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz-TR: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/2022-02/msg00056.html | May 13 22:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.gnu.org | Re: Should we take steps to reduce russian access to Free Software? | May 13 22:44 | |
| Ariadne | schestowitz-TR: no more FSF membership for russians at the moment :) | May 13 22:44 |
| icu | civil liberty be damned | May 13 22:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | "Vigilance" = mass surveillance, intelligence | May 13 22:45 |
| icu | im i my brothers keeper? YES | May 13 22:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/2022-02/msg00055.html | May 13 22:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.gnu.org | Should we take steps to reduce russian access to Free Software? | May 13 22:45 | |
| schestowitz-TR | (just for context) | May 13 22:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | we covered this in techriughts | May 13 22:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | how FSF treads carefully | May 13 22:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | and tries to dodge the issues | May 13 22:46 |
| schestowitz | e.g. http://techrights.org/2022/03/03/from-ukraine-with-love/ | May 13 22:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Message to LibrePlanet (From Ukraine) ‘Censored’ But Not Ignored | Techrights | May 13 22:47 | |
| schestowitz-TR | FSF is ina tough place... | May 13 22:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | Boston | May 13 22:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | and a political climate where you must presume all russians are evil | May 13 22:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | and ban them | May 13 22:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | else, you are "with Putin" | May 13 22:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | XRevan86 is Russian and is strongly against Putin | May 13 22:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | he also contributesd a lot to gnu/linux | May 13 22:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | contributes | May 13 22:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | so only a foolish org would sanction him | May 13 22:48 |
| icu | racists love xenophobia | May 13 22:48 |
| icu | its a steping stone | May 13 22:48 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz-TR: unfortunately laws are laws | May 13 22:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | laws change | May 13 22:49 |
| Ariadne | they do | May 13 22:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | and there is also civil disobedience | May 13 22:49 |
| schestowitz | "laws are laws" http://techrights.org/2021/03/13/epoleaks-report-march-2021-part-4/ | May 13 22:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law — Part IV: The US CLOUD Act Passes Without Public Debate | Techrights | May 13 22:49 | |
| schestowitz-TR | no debate | May 13 22:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | some lobbyists write law | May 13 22:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | so laws are laws | May 13 22:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | cause some rich people paid them to change the law | May 13 22:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | and also bribed the politicians | May 13 22:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | too busy tweeting instead of reading what bills they VOTE on | May 13 22:50 |
| techrights-news | TPMs? No thanks!! https://www.theregister.com/2022/05/13/aws_tpm_smartnic/ | May 13 22:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Those NitroTPMs Amazon teased really are coming to AWS EC2 • The Register | May 13 22:51 | |
| icu | politicians are only elected because the "algorithms" upvote them | May 13 22:51 |
| techrights-news | AWS = data breach. You've given away all your data (and customers' data) to the government, usually a foreign government http://techrights.org/2021/03/13/epoleaks-report-march-2021-part-4/ | May 13 22:52 |
| icu | so you really need to rub the spyware platforms in all the right ways | May 13 22:52 |
| techrights-news | "The diffoscope maintainers are pleased to announce the release of diffoscope version 212." https://diffoscope.org/news/diffoscope-212-released/ | May 13 22:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-diffoscope.org | diffoscope 212 released | May 13 22:53 | |
| icu | why did elon just spent 44billions with out a care in the world | May 13 22:54 |
| icu | that was the platform he didn't control | May 13 22:55 |
| techrights-news | "Confidential computing" = security threatre. We stole all your data, but don't worry, we'll do "security things" to it. TRUST US! Linux Foundation: "Confidential computing" is fantastic. Companies that are bribing us while stealing your data pay us to say that. EPO also: http://techrights.org/2021/12/21/the-unlawful-normalised/ | May 13 22:55 |
| icu | you cant loose if you own all the cards | May 13 22:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO’s Privacy Violations Being ‘Normalised’ | Techrights | May 13 22:55 | |
| schestowitz-TR | now he says they fake traffic | May 13 22:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | which is correct | May 13 22:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | so might not buy | May 13 22:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | just let it sink to death | May 13 22:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | same thing Microsoft and Icahn did to Yahoo! | May 13 22:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | [16:06] <techrights-news> He's not wrong. Twitter is FAKING its numbers. https://www.theregister.com/2022/05/13/musk_twitter_on_hold/ see https://techrights.org/2022/04/16/twitter-lies/\ | May 13 22:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Elon Musk puts Twitter deal on hold over bot count • The Register | May 13 22:56 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://techrights.org/2022/04/16/twitter-lies/\ ) | May 13 22:56 | |
| schestowitz-TR | https://techrights.org/2022/04/16/twitter-lies/ | May 13 22:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Twitter is Not as Important as the Media Wants Us to Believe | Techrights | May 13 22:56 | |
| icu | fake traffic? rgey do that? nooooooes waaaayyy | May 13 22:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | FB does it too | May 13 22:57 |
| icu | thats some conspiracy theory | May 13 22:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | "everyone is doing it!!" | May 13 22:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | They got sued over it | May 13 22:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | and lost | May 13 22:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | settled with shareholders | May 13 22:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | FOMO requires false assumptions | May 13 22:57 |
| icu | not in the USA the land of the free | May 13 22:58 |
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| icu | NEVER!! | May 13 22:58 |
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| icu | https://www.theverge.com/2022/5/13/23070306/elon-musk-twitter-deal-on-hold-spam-inauthentic-accounts | May 13 22:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Elon Musk says Twitter deal ‘temporarily on hold’ - The Verge | May 13 22:59 | |
| schestowitz-TR | he is RIGHT | May 13 23:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | I can't believe I say this | May 13 23:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | but.. | May 13 23:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | he got lots of free press | May 13 23:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | that's him main skill | May 13 23:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | like Trump | May 13 23:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | attracting free media coverage | May 13 23:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | he might not spend a dime AND>.. | May 13 23:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | and a shareholder profit from this | May 13 23:00 |
| icu | at least he deosent make a complete fool of him self like trump | May 13 23:01 |
| icu | just fool enough to be deemed wited | May 13 23:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | [10:40] <techrights-news> "The U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) is reportedly investigating Elon Musk’s delayed reporting after he acquired a sizable stake" ☛ https://thehill.com/policy/technology/3485554-feds-investigating-musks-late-disclosure-of-twitter-stake-report/ | Source: The Hill | May 13 23:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thehill.com | Feds investigating Musk’s late disclosure of Twitter stake: report | The Hill | May 13 23:02 | |
| schestowitz-TR | (this week) | May 13 23:02 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz-TR: actually i just noticed Alibaba is part of OpenSSF, and they are chinese | May 13 23:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | ah, OK, a token one :-) | May 13 23:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | japan is six eyes | May 13 23:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | there are several of those | May 13 23:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe LF got special permission from DoD ;-) | May 13 23:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | same for the board | May 13 23:03 |
| icu | china is a 1billion eye | May 13 23:03 |
| techrights-news | Software: diffoscope, Leon, Papercups, and Cockpit • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164822 | May 13 23:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Software: diffoscope, Leon, Papercups, and Cockpit | Tux Machines | May 13 23:03 | |
| icu | so the west got alot of catching up | May 13 23:03 |
| bnchs | chinese devices have more insecurities | May 13 23:04 |
| bnchs | and i don't know why | May 13 23:04 |
| goosestepping_ | good day, citizens. | May 13 23:04 |
| icu | insecurities? no ... security features | May 13 23:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | did someone measure? | May 13 23:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | and break it down by country of OEM? | May 13 23:04 |
| bnchs | schestowitz-TR, there's a chinese company that makes CCTV cameras | May 13 23:05 |
| bnchs | called dahua | May 13 23:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | countries are "not good" at finding their own holes... that they plan to be there | May 13 23:05 |
| bnchs | they had many security vulnerabilites which either allowed attackers full access to the CCTV system | May 13 23:05 |
| icu | goggle is shuting down proper avenues from the store so they need other ways | May 13 23:05 |
| bnchs | or/and the LAN | May 13 23:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | CCTV was supposed to be CLOSED circuit | May 13 23:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | and now LAN or Internet connected | May 13 23:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | those are stupid toys | May 13 23:05 |
| bnchs | they actually tried to DOWNPLAY the vulnerabilites | May 13 23:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | and gizmos unfit for purpose | May 13 23:05 |
| bnchs | and even failed to patch those for years | May 13 23:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | like an intercom that goes through gulag | May 13 23:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | when you could instead just wire the two ends | May 13 23:06 |
| icu | just like xisco routers | May 13 23:06 |
| bnchs | schestowitz-TR, you can find many exposed dahua devices | May 13 23:07 |
| bnchs | even with unpatched vulnerabilites | May 13 23:07 |
| bnchs | shows how much secure china is | May 13 23:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | seems like a bad solution | May 13 23:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | that ought not be deployed | May 13 23:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | I would not trust the western ones eithere | May 13 23:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | probably "Alexa-enabled" junk | May 13 23:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | a government-connected microphone inside your own home | May 13 23:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | Orwell would turn in the grave, or Winston | May 13 23:08 |
| bnchs | what would you trust the most | May 13 23:09 |
| bnchs | a computer with pfsense installed | May 13 23:09 |
| bnchs | or some unknown brand name router | May 13 23:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | what is that computer? | May 13 23:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | the computer too can have issues | May 13 23:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | pfsense wants a net connection | May 13 23:09 |
| Ariadne | i use PCEngines APU2 with coreboot | May 13 23:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | who knows that the ethernet adapter does | May 13 23:10 |
| Ariadne | and alpine | May 13 23:10 |
| Ariadne | 🙃 | May 13 23:10 |
| bnchs | ofc you use alpine | May 13 23:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | it is more minimalist, smaller attack surface | May 13 23:10 |
| Ariadne | idk busybox is a pretty huge attack surface | May 13 23:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | you don't want your car to have apache with open 81 port | May 13 23:11 |
| bnchs | schestowitz-TR, yeah and intel me and all that | May 13 23:11 |
| bnchs | ISPs are starting to crack down on "unauthorized" routers | May 13 23:11 |
| bnchs | and starting to force people to use THEIR routers | May 13 23:11 |
| Ariadne | strange isp | May 13 23:12 |
| bnchs | for security or some shit | May 13 23:12 |
| Ariadne | i use a local one which does not care at all | May 13 23:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | sometimes just being offline is | May 13 23:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | 1) eay | May 13 23:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | *erasy | May 13 23:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | and 2) safe | May 13 23:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | today we shopped with no tracking on us | May 13 23:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | paid cash | May 13 23:12 |
| Ariadne | they gave me an SFP+ module and i plugged it into my APU2 | May 13 23:12 |
| bnchs | Ariadne, they don't enforce this on ADSL | May 13 23:12 |
| *Ariadne shrug | May 13 23:12 | |
| schestowitz-TR | the masks further obscure ID, but it's for health reasons | May 13 23:12 |
| bnchs | but on fibre optic they do | May 13 23:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | our shopping list is our shopping list | May 13 23:13 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I'm legally not allowed to approve of sanctions. | May 13 23:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | not "big data" | May 13 23:13 |
| bnchs | but you have a cool ISP | May 13 23:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | XRevan86: your presidentviolates the conastitution | May 13 23:13 |
| icu | today we shopped with no tracking on us > only the CCTV tracked you | May 13 23:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | make him a deal | May 13 23:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | you will obey the law when he does.. or dies | May 13 23:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | icu: no | May 13 23:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | the cctv knows nothing about me | May 13 23:14 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Tempting, but I doubt Comrade Major will relay that deal. | May 13 23:14 |
| Ariadne | obscuring ID is good | May 13 23:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | I have a bike hemmet and 2 masks | May 13 23:14 |
| Ariadne | normalize masks | May 13 23:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | *helmet | May 13 23:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | and the shop is 8 km from us | May 13 23:14 |
| bnchs | all i could understand from this is they're doing this because their routers have backdoors | May 13 23:14 |
| XRevan86 | https://github.com/DeaDBeeF-Player/deadbeef/commit/d68495890fab7e3ac63674df72d8de82a592d78f sigh | May 13 23:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Remove unsupported language localization · DeaDBeeF-Player/deadbeef@d684958 · GitHub | May 13 23:14 | |
| bnchs | probably doing this* | May 13 23:15 |
| icu | CCTV can track plates RZ | May 13 23:15 |
| icu | EZ | May 13 23:15 |
| bnchs | depends on the quality of the camera | May 13 23:15 |
| icu | thats even better | May 13 23:15 |
| *schestowitz-TR thinks fridges should not have microphones and cameras in them... or ethernet components... or wifi | May 13 23:15 | |
| bnchs | schestowitz-TR, do you think toilets should have them | May 13 23:15 |
| bnchs | or your sink | May 13 23:15 |
| icu | did you politilly ask the CCTV if it was able to track you? | May 13 23:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | bnchs: some people think they should | May 13 23:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | we need to talk to these people | May 13 23:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | CCTV is useless | May 13 23:16 |
| icu | WC fack mirrors | May 13 23:16 |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2013/05/25/surveillance/ | May 13 23:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » CCTV Not Effective | May 13 23:16 | |
| icu | fake | May 13 23:16 |
| icu | fake mirrors on WC thats comon practice | May 13 23:17 |
| techrights-news | NetworkManager 1.38 Released with IPv6 and Wi-Fi Hotspot Improvements, More • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164823 | May 13 23:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | NetworkManager 1.38 Released with IPv6 and Wi-Fi Hotspot Improvements, More | Tux Machines | May 13 23:17 | |
| icu | and they samplke you poop for drugs | May 13 23:17 |
| icu | and urine | May 13 23:18 |
| icu | its a public bathroom! | May 13 23:18 |
| icu | public piss and poop | May 13 23:18 |
| icu | its a free for all | May 13 23:18 |
| icu | besides DNA | May 13 23:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | for your health | May 13 23:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | and safety | May 13 23:19 |
| bnchs | they put cameras in toilet | May 13 23:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | and fitness | May 13 23:19 |
| Ariadne | so many of these enterprise "open source supply chain security" things are such a joke | May 13 23:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | they trst it for you | May 13 23:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | and can report if you have cancer | May 13 23:19 |
| Ariadne | they just check if github says it is legit or not | May 13 23:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's a PUBLIC SERVICE | May 13 23:19 |
| bnchs | 2015: that's bad, what a pervert | May 13 23:19 |
| bnchs | 2022: lol they won't know it's me anyway | May 13 23:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | Ariadne: yes, snakeoil | May 13 23:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | I am going to do a chain of links about it in tuxmachines | May 13 23:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | inc. one about NPM | May 13 23:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | they always blame thevictim | May 13 23:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | because Microsoft sent malware to them | May 13 23:20 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz-TR: it is an important space, but like 90% snakeoil | May 13 23:20 |
| icu | then you wonder why your health insurance gets pumped up? | May 13 23:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | Microsoft does not check or scan what it sends to people | May 13 23:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | and then it blames "open source" and the users of it | May 13 23:20 |
| bnchs | npm | May 13 23:21 |
| Ariadne | npm gets the "award" for "most improvement" in supply chain i guess | May 13 23:21 |
| icu | open source meaning goglle | May 13 23:21 |
| bnchs | it's both brandon and node.js's fault | May 13 23:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | icu: we have national health insurance | May 13 23:21 |
| Ariadne | they are still terrible | May 13 23:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | so you do not get penalised either way | May 13 23:21 |
| icu | if that good enough for you | May 13 23:21 |
| bnchs | the amount of languages relying on their own package manager is rising | May 13 23:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | CSO of GitHub is NSA | May 13 23:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | makes you wonder | May 13 23:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | what "security" means toi GitHub (Microsoft) | May 13 23:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | Russia should not trust downloads from there | May 13 23:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | except maybe with Tor/VPN | May 13 23:22 |
| icu | bnchs divide and conquer | May 13 23:23 |
| bnchs | microsoft is known (and still known) for having horrible QA | May 13 23:23 |
| bnchs | or quality control | May 13 23:23 |
| techrights-news | Red Hat/Fedora Family and IBM • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164824 | May 13 23:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat/Fedora Family and IBM | Tux Machines | May 13 23:23 | |
| bnchs | they will let in some dangerous packages | May 13 23:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | no no.. | May 13 23:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | you got it all wrong | May 13 23:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's all about trust | May 13 23:24 |
| icu | microsoft is known (and still known) for having horrible QA THEY JUST HAD PEOPLE UNISTALLING UPDATES | May 13 23:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | CAs | May 13 23:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | chain of trust | May 13 23:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | trust Gulag | May 13 23:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | Trust GitHub | May 13 23:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | don't trust your friends | May 13 23:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | self-signed site from the MAKER OF ITS OWN SOFTWARE? BAD. | May 13 23:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | Need to OUTSOURCE trust. | May 13 23:24 |
| bnchs | npm's system is flawed | May 13 23:24 |
| icu | just the pain of having to install them just to uninstall them | May 13 23:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | DoD knows best | May 13 23:24 |
| bnchs | because it's easy to just put your packages | May 13 23:24 |
| bnchs | without any verifications | May 13 23:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | or change them | May 13 23:25 |
| bnchs | unlike GNU/Linux distributions, where they do strict testing | May 13 23:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | wordpress had this issue way back in 2004 | May 13 23:25 |
| icu | it takes ages to install MS updates on my machines | May 13 23:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | when i was more involved] | May 13 23:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | they realise people would upload extensions, themes, or both | May 13 23:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | and change them to do malicious things | May 13 23:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | either for harm or financial gain | May 13 23:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | so Alex King started to manually study the submissions | May 13 23:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | but then each version needs checking again | May 13 23:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | and as software gets more bloated it's impossible to keep up | May 13 23:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | someone asked in Debian's mailing lists about it last month | May 13 23:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | instead they shifted to another topi | May 13 23:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | non-free/firmware | May 13 23:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | so the original topic was 'forgotten' | May 13 23:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | even just 1 or 2 among 1000 debian contributors can be spies | May 13 23:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | for nsa | May 13 23:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | or bnd | May 13 23:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | or kipo | May 13 23:27 |
| icu | i got lots of warnning about missing firmwares for AMDGPU | May 13 23:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | and if they upload to the ftp/similar some rogue package that many packages use | May 13 23:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | like ooenssl | May 13 23:27 |
| icu | last kernel update | May 13 23:27 |
| Ariadne | 5:26 PM <schestowitz-TR> even just 1 or 2 among 1000 debian contributors can be spies | May 13 23:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | they can do huge damage | May 13 23:27 |
| icu | what was that about? | May 13 23:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | even with just 2 lines of code changed, to lower entropy | May 13 23:27 |
| Ariadne | i am planning to revise alpine's developer access background check guidelines to deal with this | May 13 23:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | yeah | May 13 23:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | you shoulkd | May 13 23:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | and core packages need careful double-checking | May 13 23:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | some distros would not adopt latest version of these until 6-12 months later | May 13 23:28 |
| bnchs | the problem with npm's design | May 13 23:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | debian chain of treust is just one dd signing for another new dd | May 13 23:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | in theory gchq can blackmail or bribe either, or both.. | May 13 23:29 |
| Ariadne | the problem with npm's design is the same problem as pypi, etc | May 13 23:29 |
| icu | do you know way i got lots of warnings about AMGPU missing firmware? | May 13 23:29 |
| bnchs | is that it lacks the double checking distributions would usually do | May 13 23:29 |
| Ariadne | there is no review | May 13 23:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | can even write the patch for them | May 13 23:29 |
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| bnchs | Ariadne, yes | May 13 23:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | or do so without disclosing the source or intent | May 13 23:29 |
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| schestowitz-TR | they blackmailed the brother of a friend here, 15+ years ago | May 13 23:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | jail or work for us | May 13 23:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | after he has tinkered with some BT exchanges | May 13 23:30 |
| Ariadne | a mitigation is that developers should sign their releases | May 13 23:30 |
| *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights | May 13 23:30 | |
| Ariadne | but PKI is hard | May 13 23:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | many people lost faith in a lot of the toolchains | May 13 23:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | and make their own | May 13 23:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | or form a new circle of trust | May 13 23:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | openbsd seems meticulous | May 13 23:31 |
| icu | opensuse just elected GCC12 to be the standrd compiler | May 13 23:31 |
| Ariadne | alpine 3.17 will also use gcc12 | May 13 23:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | tumbleweed has just adopted it | May 13 23:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | [20:58] <techrights-news> Links 13/05/2022: GCC 12 Becoming Default Compiler in Tumbleweed | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/05/13/gcc-12-becoming-default-compiler-in-tumbleweed/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/13/gcc-12-becoming-default-compiler-in-tumbleweed/ | May 13 23:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 13/05/2022: GCC 12 Becoming Default Compiler in Tumbleweed | Techrights | May 13 23:33 | |
| schestowitz-TR | many in SUSE work on GCC | May 13 23:33 |
| icu | i thought llvm was better or more perfomant | May 13 23:33 |
| Ariadne | i already have the packages staged, but we are frozen for alpine 3.16 release atm | May 13 23:33 |
| Ariadne | icu: it depends | May 13 23:33 |
| schestowitz | https://lwn.net/Articles/582242/ | May 13 23:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Stallman on GCC, LLVM, and copyleft [LWN.net] | May 13 23:34 | |
| schestowitz | https://gcc.gnu.org/legacy-ml/gcc/2014-01/msg00247.html | May 13 23:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gcc.gnu.org | Richard Stallman - Re: clang vs free software | May 13 23:34 | |
| bnchs | alpine helped me a bit when i was using openrc | May 13 23:34 |
| bnchs | copying the init scripts from alpine's code | May 13 23:34 |
| schestowitz | https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTU4MjA | May 13 23:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Richard Stallman Calls LLVM A "Terrible Setback" - Phoronix | May 13 23:34 | |
| Ariadne | icu: LLVM MIR allows for some kinds of optimizations to be done more easily, at the cost of other optimizations | May 13 23:36 |
| techrights-news | Misguided Security Theatre • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164825 | May 13 23:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Misguided Security Theatre | Tux Machines | May 13 23:36 | |
| techrights-news | Debian: New Contributors, Bookworm-Based EasyOS • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164826 | May 13 23:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian: New Contributors, Bookworm-Based EasyOS | Tux Machines | May 13 23:36 | |
| Ariadne | MIR is easier to write than GIMPLE | May 13 23:36 |
| Ariadne | also, GCC has had the advantage of being around longer, and is still an interesting target for researchers working on new optimization methods, because LLVM is more... corporate | May 13 23:37 |
| Ariadne | so for raw performance, GCC is still ahead in a lot of ways | May 13 23:38 |
| Ariadne | but for things like security mitigations, LLVM is much more advanced | May 13 23:38 |
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| techrights-news | KVM: VMX: enable IPI virtualization https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/virt/kvm/kvm.git/commit/?h=next&id=694599c8267d862085324bc1f6ef5e8014abc5c0 | May 13 23:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.kernel.org | kvm/kvm.git - kernel-based virtual machine - kvm | May 13 23:38 | |
| matey | the fucking spineless foundation has to follow laws, yes | May 13 23:38 |
| matey | but it doesnt have to like them | May 13 23:39 |
| techrights-news | thunderbolt: Add support for XDomain lane bonding https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/westeri/thunderbolt.git/commit/?h=next&id=8e1de7042596abb7cb277ea751fc13a4c2b65aea | May 13 23:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.kernel.org | kernel/git/westeri/thunderbolt.git - Thunderbolt and USB4 development tree | May 13 23:39 | |
| matey | when it starts complaining about having to follow laws, instead of spinelessly and silently complying | May 13 23:39 |
| matey | then we can say "well what do you want? its the law" | May 13 23:39 |
| matey | until then its just spinelessness | May 13 23:39 |
| techrights-news | x86/cpu: Add new VMX feature, Tertiary VM-Execution control https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/virt/kvm/kvm.git/commit/?h=next&id=121383d0107ee8a6cd2c75a1a132d7a63f9cb0a0 | May 13 23:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.kernel.org | kvm/kvm.git - kernel-based virtual machine - kvm | May 13 23:39 | |
| matey | but this is a small part of a broader, similar picture going on for years | May 13 23:39 |
| matey | its not that they do what they have to do | May 13 23:39 |
| matey | they just. dont. fucking. care. at all. | May 13 23:40 |
| matey | they should, they would, they did. they dont. | May 13 23:40 |
| matey | one more example changes nothing, its just another confirmation on a mountain of confirmation | May 13 23:40 |
| Ariadne | i mean i have lots of skepticism of all of these corporate players | May 13 23:40 |
| techrights-news | Finally not forcing you to pay for Windows, at long last! https://www.itsfoss.net/beelink-ser-4-4800u-x-new-mini-pc-with-manjaro-pre-installed/ | May 13 23:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Beelink SER 4 4800U X, new mini-PC with Manjaro pre-installed - itsfoss.net | May 13 23:41 | |
| techrights-news | WSL is WINDOWS, it is NOT "Linux" https://www.xda-developers.com/does-lenovo-thinkpad-x1-yoga-gen-7-run-linux/ | May 13 23:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.xda-developers.com | Does the Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Yoga Gen 7 run Linux? | May 13 23:42 | |
| matey | theo de raadt has gotten shit for using the fact that openbsd is canadian to be lax about export restrictions that dont exist in canada :) | May 13 23:42 |
| matey | i think they overplay (or fabricate) (his opponents i mean) any non-compliance | May 13 23:42 |
| matey | but even if they dont... | May 13 23:42 |
| matey | thats great. perhaps suicidal, but great. | May 13 23:42 |
| Ariadne | are you implying the FSF should move to canada? | May 13 23:43 |
| matey | not at all | May 13 23:43 |
| matey | i was hoping it was clear that id settle for their compliance | May 13 23:43 |
| techrights-news | "[Free Software]UK’s second “State of [Free Software]” survey” is now live and runs until midnight BST on June 12, 2022." https://www.fosslife.org/take-2022-state-open-survey-openuk openwashing agenda, but focus on Free software instead | May 13 23:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosslife.org | Take the 2022 “State of Open” Survey from OpenUK | May 13 23:43 | |
| matey | if they even bothered to complain about it while complying | May 13 23:43 |
| matey | but theyre so fucking neutral now | May 13 23:43 |
| matey | so conservative, in the sit on your arse and do nothing context of the word | May 13 23:43 |
| matey | wait and see | May 13 23:43 |
| techrights-news | "Chatwoot is an open-source, self-hosted customer engagement suite. Chatwoot lets you view and manage your customer data, communicate with them irrespective of which medium they use, and re-engage them based on their profile." https://medevel.com/chatwoot/ | May 13 23:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-medevel.com | Chatwoot is an open-source self-hosted custom support system | May 13 23:43 | |
| matey | wait for what? for fish to grow legs and walk and talk? | May 13 23:44 |
| matey | its pathetic. all they do is wait and see | May 13 23:44 |
| matey | theyre going to wait and see all the way to bankruptcy | May 13 23:44 |
| icu | https://venturebeat.com/2022/05/13/how-much-will-it-cost-to-secure-open-source-software-openssf-says-147-9m/ | May 13 23:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How much will it cost to secure open-source software? OpenSSF says $147.9M | VentureBeat | May 13 23:44 | |
| matey | wrong question | May 13 23:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | worse: openbsd compromised its own funding | May 13 23:45 |
| matey | how much would it take for windows and apple to GAIN the | May 13 23:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | by speaking out against war | May 13 23:45 |
| icu | 147.9M vs 44 billions for twitter LOL | May 13 23:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | or militarism | May 13 23:45 |
| matey | <schestowitz-TR> worse: openbsd compromised its own funding <- oh bollox | May 13 23:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | which probably helped the project on the PR side | May 13 23:45 |
| matey | same amount fsf took from google | May 13 23:45 |
| SomeH4x0r | I can't access it because clown | May 13 23:45 |
| matey | yes, everyone knows how good their pr is | May 13 23:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | this is DARPA | May 13 23:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | not Gulag | May 13 23:45 |
| SomeH4x0r | so I guess I won't see what it is | May 13 23:45 |
| matey | if you bothered with history | May 13 23:45 |
| matey | bsd came from unix. | May 13 23:45 |
| matey | so the point where thompson worked on bsd himself | May 13 23:46 |
| Ariadne | i think 147.9m is an absurd proposal tbh | May 13 23:46 |
| matey | netbsd came from bsd | May 13 23:46 |
| Ariadne | there should just be no-strings-attached government grants for writing FOSS | May 13 23:46 |
| matey | theo de raadt was a founder of netbsd | May 13 23:46 |
| matey | openbsd is a direct fork of bsd | May 13 23:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | Ariadne: maybe they assume all volunteers get paid like Zemlin | May 13 23:46 |
| matey | so openbsd, if you knew history | May 13 23:46 |
| matey | NEVER CAVED TO DOD | May 13 23:46 |
| matey | they INHERITED the dod | May 13 23:46 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz-TR: i wish i got paid like zemlin | May 13 23:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | so 150 volunteers working for one year... | May 13 23:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | 150 million | May 13 23:46 |
| matey | from the 1970s | May 13 23:46 |
| Ariadne | instead we decided employees would be nice | May 13 23:47 |
| matey | blame the cold war, it was before openbsd existed | May 13 23:47 |
| techrights-news | Julius is a lightweight open-source Speech Recognition Engine https://medevel.com/julius-speech/ | May 13 23:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-medevel.com | Julius is a lightweight open-source Speech Recognition Engine | May 13 23:47 | |
| matey | if any of this was in an honest context | May 13 23:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | I'm also sure that like Mitchell Bankler, Jim Zemlin is sure he's worth every penny | May 13 23:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | *Banker | May 13 23:47 |
| matey | it would be pointed out (again) that theos big anti-military-industrial-complex mouth LOST him funding | May 13 23:48 |
| matey | and thats such a stallman-like thing to do | May 13 23:48 |
| matey | hes NOT stallman | May 13 23:48 |
| Ariadne | matey: yes i like theo for this | May 13 23:48 |
| matey | he would hate the thought | May 13 23:48 |
| matey | but you know, integrity is a wonderful thing | May 13 23:48 |
| matey | and de raadt has it | May 13 23:48 |
| matey | the only time i ever hated him, years ago | May 13 23:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | theo earned trust over that | May 13 23:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | even if darpa canned him | May 13 23:48 |
| matey | theo earns trust for a LOT of things | May 13 23:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | which likely made darpa look bad | May 13 23:49 |
| matey | his biggest crime ever was dissing rms | May 13 23:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | and darpa is the "nice" face of the military | May 13 23:49 |
| matey | and when you learn the other side of the story | May 13 23:49 |
| Ariadne | matey: "crime" | May 13 23:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | like inqtel for cia | May 13 23:49 |
| matey | his diss of rms wasnt entirely unfair | May 13 23:49 |
| matey | it was reactionary, but sort of fair. | May 13 23:49 |
| Ariadne | RMS showed up on openbsd-misc crying like a bitch | May 13 23:49 |
| matey | well rms was unfair | May 13 23:49 |
| matey | and he has been unfair to bsd ever since | May 13 23:49 |
| matey | holding it to a higher standard than | May 13 23:49 |
| matey | this leaves people like theo to point out the hypocrisy | May 13 23:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | that was aged ago | May 13 23:50 |
| matey | and thats fair game | May 13 23:50 |
| Ariadne | its because bsd and linux actually shipped useful distributions, while his baby HURD is still vaporware | May 13 23:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | and rms had given him an award | May 13 23:50 |
| matey | it WAS ages ago | May 13 23:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | *ages | May 13 23:50 |
| matey | and its the only thing i ever hated theo de raadt for | May 13 23:50 |
| matey | and when i learned the other side of the story i felt a bit silly for it | May 13 23:50 |
| matey | because i probably would have learned a lot more about openbsd sooner otherwise | May 13 23:50 |
| matey | instead, i was led to it by hyperbola | May 13 23:50 |
| matey | you know, that fsf-approved distro. | May 13 23:50 |
| matey | hyperbola rekindled my interest in openbsd | May 13 23:51 |
| matey | it pointed the way | May 13 23:51 |
| matey | thats where i got it from | May 13 23:51 |
| matey | and you know, if hyperbola does nothing else (which seems possible) | May 13 23:51 |
| matey | thats still something | May 13 23:51 |
| techrights-news | "Some of you may have noticed, and in fact contacted me about this, that occasionally, Dedoimedo is not available. Specifically, when you try to access the site, you get an SSL certificate warning from your browser." The 'SSL pyramid scheme' has potential for so much censorship, too https://www.dedoimedo.com/index.html | May 13 23:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Dedoimedo - A Place to Learn a Lot About a Lot | May 13 23:52 | |
| matey | technically hyperbola is not a fork of openbsd but a fork of a fork | May 13 23:52 |
| matey | but really i suppose its both | May 13 23:52 |
| matey | its a fork of librebsd, which is a fork of openbsd | May 13 23:52 |
| matey | librebsd is defunct | May 13 23:52 |
| matey | as far as i know | May 13 23:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | libressl too | May 13 23:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | lack of maintainers this year, iirc | May 13 23:53 |
| matey | is it? | May 13 23:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | check the Web | May 13 23:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | there was a blurb about it months ago | May 13 23:53 |
| matey | im more than a little sceptical | May 13 23:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | formal blurb | May 13 23:53 |
| matey | what is openbsd using for ssl then | May 13 23:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | we put that in Daily Links | May 13 23:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe it was the mailing lists | May 13 23:54 |
| matey | it sounds like bs to me | May 13 23:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe lwn | May 13 23:54 |
| matey | at best a misunderstanding | May 13 23:54 |
| matey | more likely fud | May 13 23:54 |
| matey | i dont care, i know openbsd will use a sane option for ssl | May 13 23:54 |
| schestowitz | https://lwn.net/Articles/841664/ | May 13 23:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-LibreSSL languishes on Linux [LWN.net] | May 13 23:54 | |
| matey | but i doubt theyre just going to let openssl rot | May 13 23:54 |
| schestowitz | https://www.gentoo.org/support/news-items/2021-01-05-libressl-support-discontinued.html | May 13 23:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gentoo.org | LibreSSL support discontinued – Gentoo Linux | May 13 23:54 | |
| matey | i mean libressl | May 13 23:54 |
| schestowitz | 2021 | May 13 23:54 |
| schestowitz | this is old | May 13 23:54 |
| matey | and probably not accurate | May 13 23:54 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxmemes/comments/rfd77v/friendship_ended_with_libressl/ | May 13 23:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Friendship ended with LibreSSL : linuxmemes | May 13 23:55 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.hyperbola.info/news/end-of-openssl-support/ | May 13 23:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.hyperbola.info | Hyperbola - News: End of OpenSSL support | May 13 23:55 | |
| matey | ill look at that one | May 13 23:55 |
| schestowitz | 2018 | May 13 23:55 |
| schestowitz | "As LibreSSL follows the same goals than our packaging guidelines in stability and security concerns, we have decided to remove OpenSSL and use LibreSSL as our default provider of Secure Sockets Layer (SSL) and Transport Layer Security (TLS) protocols. The decision means that the Milky Way v0.2 will be the last version supporting OpenSSL." | May 13 23:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | in 2022 there was an update | May 13 23:55 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2022/04/25/libressl-3-5-2/ | May 13 23:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 25/04/2022: LibreSSL 3.5.2 and More Twitter Controversies | Techrights | May 13 23:56 | |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2022/03/19/tor-browser-11-0-9/ | May 13 23:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 19/3/2022: Tor Browser 11.0.9 and LibreSSL 3.5.1/3.4.3/3.3.6 | Techrights | May 13 23:56 | |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2022/03/02/libressl-3-5-0/ | May 13 23:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 2/3/2022: Arti 0.1.0 and LibreSSL 3.5.0 | Techrights | May 13 23:56 | |
| matey | in 2022 there was an update <- cant seem to find this | May 13 23:57 |
| matey | have barely looked though | May 13 23:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | me neither, still looking | May 13 23:57 |
| *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) | May 13 23:57 | |
| *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) | May 13 23:57 | |
| matey | i mean openbsd doesnt hinge on libressl | May 13 23:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | let me grep Daily Links files | May 13 23:57 |
| matey | they will use what they have to | May 13 23:57 |
| matey | but i doubt they would let libressl die | May 13 23:57 |
| matey | they really dont like subpar shit, and openssl is shit by their standards afaik | May 13 23:58 |
| matey | til grapheneos uses openbsd malloc | May 13 23:58 |
| matey | i dont think openbsd is the most important os that will ever exist | May 13 23:58 |
| matey | i think its important right now, maybe for a long time | May 13 23:59 |
| matey | some stability in a sea of unstable shit | May 13 23:59 |
| matey | when linux gets rust, theo will laugh | May 13 23:59 |
| matey | openbsd: the forkable operating system that doesnt suck | May 13 23:59 |
| matey | its all relative. gnu/linux just gets easier and easier to compare with as the standards get lower | May 13 23:59 |
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