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| techrights_guest|11 | " which is non-conformist <- hacker culture used to be non-conformist at least." - is it not anymore? I thought this was an absolute with the culture itself? | Mar 21 00:00 |
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| matey | mark my words, kuhn wants free software to be singapore, just without the cane | Mar 21 00:00 |
| matey | is it not anymore? <- really hacker culture is still non-conformist, but this is my whole point | Mar 21 00:01 |
| matey | rms created free software to preserve hacker culture! hacker culture is non-conformist! | Mar 21 00:01 |
| matey | theyre removing the very thing rms created free software to preserve, and calling it free software | Mar 21 00:01 |
| matey | rms created free software to preserve hacker culture! <- read his biography, the one sam williams wrote that the fsf published and sold | Mar 21 00:02 |
| matey | what we have today is NOTHING like free software | Mar 21 00:02 |
| techrights_guest|11 | ok got it. i will read this. | Mar 21 00:02 |
| matey | its more like singapore without the cane | Mar 21 00:02 |
| matey | non-conformity + corporate culture = corporate culture | Mar 21 00:03 |
| matey | this isnt a new problem | Mar 21 00:03 |
| matey | "you want obedience? youll get obedient fools!"-- lenin | Mar 21 00:03 |
| matey | kind of oldschool, still relevant | Mar 21 00:04 |
| techrights_guest|11 | it is still relevent. i agree. | Mar 21 00:04 |
| techrights_guest|11 | ok this one yes? https://www.fsf.org/blogs/gnu-press/innovative-biography-of-rms-returns-to-gnu-press-shop | Mar 21 00:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | Innovative biography of RMS returns to GNU Press Shop — Free Software Foundation — Working together for free software | Mar 21 00:07 | |
| matey | without looking, that basically has to be it | Mar 21 00:08 |
| techrights_guest|11 | ok | Mar 21 00:08 |
| matey | note i owned it (bought it from the fsf) | Mar 21 00:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | they edited it a bit | Mar 21 00:08 |
| matey | id already read it before that, it was published by o'reilly o'riginally | Mar 21 00:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | oreall y? | Mar 21 00:08 |
| techrights_guest|11 | ok so is there an unedited version? | Mar 21 00:08 |
| matey | no, oreilly | Mar 21 00:09 |
| matey | the edits are minor | Mar 21 00:09 |
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| matey | i dont know if they left in the epilogue awhere williams says that rms was dropping bits of hair in his soup and staring at his wife | Mar 21 00:10 |
| techrights_guest|11 | ok i found a first edition it has a different cover than the second edition, | Mar 21 00:10 |
| matey | people with autism stare a lot. whether stallman does it inappropriately has been addressed by supporters from as high up on the progressive totem as the former president of the aclu | Mar 21 00:10 |
| techrights_guest|11 | Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/72f04f7a7d5e0752f4709ecfda4823a6/Screenshot_2022-03-20_17-09-55.png | Mar 21 00:10 |
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| techrights_guest|11 | first edition? | Mar 21 00:11 |
| techrights_guest|11 | Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/a432c526c7667dd0daf3eb096be3ff00/Screenshot_2022-03-20_17-10-10.png | Mar 21 00:11 |
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| techrights_guest|11 | second edition | Mar 21 00:11 |
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| mjg59_ | matey: No, the RMS-edited edition removes that | Mar 21 00:12 |
| mjg59_ | I've got a diff of the edits somewhere | Mar 21 00:12 |
| matey | mjg59_: it was unnecessary to put in the book, and also unnecessary to remove from it once it was there | Mar 21 00:12 |
| matey | besides that, if i had, as williams, included that note | Mar 21 00:13 |
| matey | it wouldnt be as an awkward aside at the last minute, and it would try to be... then again, im a supporter | Mar 21 00:13 |
| matey | i like the additional context | Mar 21 00:14 |
| mjg59_ | It's a bit odd for RMS to have added content referring to himself in the third person, but meh | Mar 21 00:14 |
| matey | It's a bit odd for RMS to have added content referring to himself in the third person <- he usually doesnt | Mar 21 00:14 |
| techrights_guest|11 | so either is good then? | Mar 21 00:14 |
| matey | either is good <- there are no significant differences imo | Mar 21 00:15 |
| techrights_guest|11 | ok. thanks | Mar 21 00:15 |
| matey | i might change my mind about that someday, but its been years | Mar 21 00:15 |
| mjg59_ | He didn't actually remove the entire appendix, just various bits of it (including the picture of his pleasure card) | Mar 21 00:16 |
| DaemonFC | "<matey> people with autism stare a lot. whether stallman does it inappropriately has been addressed by supporters from as high up on the progressive totem as the former president of the aclu" | Mar 21 00:16 |
| matey | i wonder if anyone advised him to do so | Mar 21 00:16 |
| DaemonFC | "Don't mind me undressing you with my eyes, it's the Autism, you see." | Mar 21 00:16 |
| matey | he has always struck me as the sort of person to leave things in, unless someone advises him to do otherwise-- OR, | Mar 21 00:17 |
| matey | i imagine there are changes to phrases like "intellectual property" etc | Mar 21 00:17 |
| matey | i believe the original was under a cc license, but i dont know if it allowed commercial redistribution (i read it many years ago) without the fsf getting permission | Mar 21 00:17 |
| DaemonFC | I try to steer clear of anything that starts talking about "Intellectual Property". | Mar 21 00:18 |
| DaemonFC | Not always successfully. But when Ubuntu started threatening people with it, I took notice. | Mar 21 00:18 |
| DaemonFC | "Ubuntu Patents", whatever those are. They mostly just compile other people's software and act like that gives them special rights when it does not. | Mar 21 00:18 |
| techrights_guest|11 | ubuntu , really how does that work | Mar 21 00:19 |
| matey | i should note that im turned off by retconning except for clarification and accuracy | Mar 21 00:19 |
| DaemonFC | Even when they have something exclusive, it's usually just a shitty quasi-Free implementation of something else that works better than theirs. | Mar 21 00:19 |
| DaemonFC | Like, notice how Flatpak doesn't have any shitty daemon running whether you use it or not that's sucking down 300 MB or RAM? | Mar 21 00:19 |
| DaemonFC | Flatpak has the concept of repositories. You can always add more if you want to. | Mar 21 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | Snap has "branding" but it's always Canonical's store, and they keep how that works a secret. | Mar 21 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | <techrights_guest|11> ubuntu , really how does that work | Mar 21 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | Plagiarism, mostly. | Mar 21 00:21 |
| matey | the first thought i had when i bought the fsf version was "i wonder if they left in the part at the end" | Mar 21 00:21 |
| techrights_guest|11 | ubuntu gui was so bad. i moved on from that in 2010. | Mar 21 00:21 |
| DaemonFC | Plagiarism followed by DARVO attacks coupled to vague legal threats. | Mar 21 00:21 |
| matey | big humanity is watching you | Mar 21 00:21 |
| AdmFubar | Spring has sprung! ... the grass has rizz, I wonder where the birdies is?!... they're in the trees you silly nut! and if you don't like my poem you can kiss my butt! | Mar 21 00:21 |
| techrights_guest|11 | lol | Mar 21 00:21 |
| matey | fo rizzle | Mar 21 00:21 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/an-elite-ukrainian-drone-unit-exploits-the-cover-of-night-to-destroy-russian-tanks-and-trucks-while-their-soldiers-sleep-report-says/ar-AAViepy?li=BBorjTa | Mar 21 00:22 |
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| DaemonFC | "Wakey wakey!" | Mar 21 00:22 |
| DaemonFC | I'd love to be on one of those drone teams. I'd be having too much fun killing Russians while they sleep. | Mar 21 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | IF they notice, it's because it's already too late to run, which just makes it even more fantastic. | Mar 21 00:23 |
| techrights_guest|11 | alright im out, got a hot dog linux iso to install thanks for the tips on the book ill get that on order, and thanks for the articles links on the vehicle mayhem surveillance. | Mar 21 00:23 |
| matey | o/ | Mar 21 00:24 |
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| DaemonFC | Pootie Poot left his soldiers wide open to drone attacks. | Mar 21 00:24 |
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| matey | goddamnit, did i just sell something from the fsf store | Mar 21 00:24 |
| DaemonFC | He sent them in without night vision goggles or infrared and so they can't really do much at night. | Mar 21 00:24 |
| DaemonFC | Not only that, but they're so stupid that in a country where most of the power is out, they're the only ones running light. | Mar 21 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | I'm certain that helps. | Mar 21 00:25 |
| matey | you can read it online for freeeee | Mar 21 00:25 |
| matey | i did, i only bought it in paper to support the f$f | Mar 21 00:25 |
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| AdmFubar | https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2022/03/18/conti-initial-access/ | Mar 21 00:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.helpnetsecurity.com | The TTPs of Conti's initial access broker - Help Net Security | Mar 21 00:51 | |
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| schestowitz-TR | Windows | Mar 21 01:02 |
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| techrights-news | Today’s 𝘛𝘶𝘹 𝘔𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴 Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162784 | Mar 21 01:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Mar 21 01:10 | |
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| techrights-news | the ax shell proposal gemini://xoc3.io/blog/2022-03-20 | Mar 21 01:14 |
| techrights-news | How to Get Into Self Hosting gemini://moddedbear.xyz/logs/2022-03-20-how-to-get-into-self-hosting.gmi | Mar 21 01:15 |
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| techrights-news | "Digging deeper, I think I'm afraid of conflict. I don't know why exactly, since I seem to act the same in conversations with friends and strangers alike. I usually "let it go" and stay silent when confronted with people passionately expressing contrary opinions." gemini://josipantolis.from.hr/gemlog/absolute-candor.gmi | Mar 21 01:17 |
| techrights-news | "I don't know if I ever mentioned the fact that I'm Russian. Even though I was not (yet) touched by the unfolding events (other than economically), it still feels like the life was put on halt. Which is why this capsule was silent." gemini://tilde.team/~aprilnightk/gemlog/2022/03/20-off-my-chest.gmi | Mar 21 01:18 |
| techrights-news | Apple: "Unsurprisingly, I was disappointed in the upgrade." gemini://shit.cx/tech/devenv/2022-03-20-adjusting-for-monterey-spaces-to-fullscreen-apps/ | Mar 21 01:19 |
| techrights-news | Planet of the Apes gopher://gopher.black:70/1/phlog/20220320-planet-of-the-apes we watched two parts in the cinemas. | Mar 21 01:20 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D536.jpg | Mar 21 01:21 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 21 01:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | :3 even | Mar 21 01:23 |
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| techrights-news | "Josh and Kurt talk about Microsoft accidentally letting us find out about ads in file explorer." https://opensourcesecurity.io/2022/03/20/episode-315-who-even-makes-all-these-terrible-decisions/ | Mar 21 01:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensourcesecurity.io | Episode 315 – Who even makes all these terrible decisions? – Open Source Security | Mar 21 01:25 | |
| techrights-news | Linux Kernel 5.17 Officially Released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162724#comment-33123 | Mar 21 01:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The first Asahi Linux Alpha Release is here! | Tux Machines | Mar 21 01:27 | |
| techrights-news | Windows is dying; the competition lowered its market value. https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/17/file_explorer_windows_ads/ | Mar 21 01:28 |
| -altlink_587/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: theregister.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/17/file_explorer_windows_ads/ | Mar 21 01:28 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Ads in File Explorer 'experimental' says Microsoft • The Register | Mar 21 01:28 | |
| techrights-news | 15 Commonly Used Network Ports Explained • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162785 | Mar 21 01:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 15 Commonly Used Network Ports Explained | Tux Machines | Mar 21 01:33 | |
| techrights-news | "On behalf of the Rakudo development team, I’m very happy to announce the March 2022 release of Rakudo #154. Rakudo is an implementation of the Raku1 language." https://rakudo.org/post/announce-rakudo-release-2022.03 | Mar 21 01:33 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rakudo.org | Rakudo compiler, Release #154 (2022.03) - Rakudo Compiler for Raku Programming Language | Mar 21 01:33 | |
| techrights-news | Another little Gemini milestone is crossed. The “planet” we have set up is increasingly being accessed. http://techrights.org/2022/03/20/2260-gemini-capsules-over-1800-active-ones/ | Mar 21 01:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | 2,260 Gemini Capsules, Over 1,800 Active Ones | Techrights | Mar 21 01:34 | |
| techrights-news | Steep increase in total number of Gemini capsules gemini://botond.online/en/stats/ | Mar 21 01:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | A stop sign in my town is so old it's become a death metal band logo : mildlyinteresting | Mar 21 01:53 | |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.reddit.com/r/doordash_drivers/comments/g6yczx/signed_up_for_walmart_delivery_serviceno_tipping/ | Mar 21 03:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Signed up for Walmart Delivery service...no tipping allowed. Found out later that it wasn’t Walmart’s delivery system delivering groceries, It was you guys. Almost didn’t realize to tip, but then did and immediately canceled service after. : doordash_drivers | Mar 21 03:10 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Apparently, Walmart is giving Walmart+ to all their employees but the Walmart+ drivers are Grubhub, DoorDash, and Uber, and make about $4 per order. | Mar 21 03:10 |
| DaemonFC | And so a lot of people complain that nobody is picking up their order, and a lot of the people who have delivered one, it's like stories about tons of heavy stuff and 50 pound bags of dog food they had to lug down a hill. | Mar 21 03:11 |
| DaemonFC | And then they got paid $4 by Walmart and the guy didn't even leave a tip. | Mar 21 03:11 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder if Mr. GOOOOOOOOOOOOOLAG would like Walmart for this. | Mar 21 03:13 |
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| DaemonFC | I don't ever see any benefit of using this other than if I don't need $35 worth of stuff that day from their grocery pickup, it won't charge me a $5.99 convenience fee. | Mar 21 03:14 |
| DaemonFC | I'm certainly not going to have someone drive all the way to my house every day to deliver just stuff for that night's dinner and then not tip them. That's a dick move. But it seems most drivers don't even accept these orders and then they stay there and get "re-shopped" by the store (put back on the shelf while the customer gets a refund because nobody wanted to take the order for $4. | Mar 21 03:16 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.ridesharingdriver.com/doordash-walmart/ | Mar 21 03:16 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ridesharingdriver.com | Here's Why Some DoorDash Drivers Hate Walmart Orders - Ridesharing Driver | Mar 21 03:16 | |
| DaemonFC | “Walmart orders are making me lose money” | Mar 21 03:16 |
| DaemonFC | “I decline all Walmart orders” | Mar 21 03:16 |
| DaemonFC | “200 items up to a 3rd story apartment and no tip” | Mar 21 03:16 |
| DaemonFC | “Just remember, Somewhere in the world right now….someone is on a $3 Walmart order” | Mar 21 03:16 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, And it's DoorDash that does this. | Mar 21 03:16 |
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| DaemonFC | "Walmart will not release orders to drivers with young children in the car who cannot be left unattended." | Mar 21 03:19 |
| DaemonFC | Acknowledgment that gig workers can't afford childcare and do, in fact, leave them in the back of a running car in Chicago. | Mar 21 03:19 |
| DaemonFC | You hear all the time how people in Waukegan get jacked and their kids were in the car. Or they left their kid in the car to run into Dollar General and a *cough* person gets in the car and points a gun at the kid. | Mar 21 03:20 |
| DaemonFC | So these gig apps are putting people's children in danger. | Mar 21 03:21 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart knows. Doesn't want sued. | Mar 21 03:21 |
| DaemonFC | Probably the only time I'd use the delivery (and tip) is if I was in bed with the flu or something and just could NOT get out. Otherwise, I'm at Walmart every day anyway. | Mar 21 03:23 |
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| DaemonFC | I think Walmart giving + to their workers is a sign of something happening on the back end. | Mar 21 03:28 |
| DaemonFC | DoorDash drivers hate it, Walmart employees hate it, customers hate it. | Mar 21 03:28 |
| DaemonFC | It seems Walmart reasons that if it can create 1.4 million new customers out of their own employees, there will be more orders on a typical route and it may become easier for drivers to justify a route if they're not driving across town for $5-6. | Mar 21 03:29 |
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| DaemonFC | "I’ve complained about these apps before, and how it’s dangerous for these “gig workers” from DoorDash to have their kids in the car. | Mar 21 03:48 |
| DaemonFC | Very recently, in the city I live in, a guy got into a running car and pointed a loaded handgun at a 16 year old in the back set. A week before that, a guy stole a running vehicle and then ditched it a few miles later with some toddlers in it. | Mar 21 03:48 |
| DaemonFC | And you know how these app companies are. “We’re just a facilitator! You can’t sue us!”. | Mar 21 03:48 |
| DaemonFC | This is what comes out of San Francisco, folks. The most illiberal non-progressive system imaginable. | Mar 21 03:48 |
| DaemonFC | A return to plantations working slaves for subsistence living standards." | Mar 21 03:48 |
| DaemonFC | We're at the point where having a minimum wage job is almost a luxury thanks to people like Mr. GOOOOOOOOOOOLAG ordering his cold, cold, pizza from disgruntled slaves making like $1 above gasoline expenses. | Mar 21 03:52 |
| DaemonFC | "I gave them a $5 tip!" Yeah, asshole, and gas is also like $7 a gallon in San Francisco and you live in a $780,000 house. | Mar 21 03:52 |
| DaemonFC | So even if that's true, you could obviously do better. If that's a priority. | Mar 21 03:53 |
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| DaemonFC | DoorDash needs to be pointed to the nearest dick to suck. | Mar 21 03:54 |
| DaemonFC | I mean, I thought leaving food there for an hour and a half to go cold until they offered to pay someone enough to pick it up was bad. | Mar 21 03:55 |
| DaemonFC | But it turns out many people don't get their Walmart grocery order at all. | Mar 21 03:55 |
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| mjg59_ | DaemonFC: Which is why I pay a bunch more than that. | Mar 21 04:00 |
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| DaemonFC | So you agree this system is illiberal, non-progressive, and slavery? | Mar 21 04:02 |
| DaemonFC | And that it sucks. | Mar 21 04:02 |
| mjg59_ | I do! The gig economy is massively exploitative | Mar 21 04:02 |
| DaemonFC | So why use it? | Mar 21 04:03 |
| mjg59_ | I only do so if the restaurant I'm ordering from offers it as the only delivery service | Mar 21 04:03 |
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| DaemonFC | I certainly don't plan to, except the gas discount and the no minimum order for "pickup" which is their employees making at least $17.50 an hour and with employment rights. | Mar 21 04:03 |
| mjg59_ | And if I do end up using it, I pay well enough that I'm certain the driver is making a reasonable amount after costs | Mar 21 04:03 |
| DaemonFC | The drivers don't agree that orders sit there for an hour and go cold unless they're not making enough to pick it up. | Mar 21 04:04 |
| DaemonFC | The drivers say that it goes up 50 cents for everyone that opens it up and closes it again. | Mar 21 04:04 |
| DaemonFC | Until it's worth enough for SOMEONE to go get it. | Mar 21 04:04 |
| mjg59_ | The only time I've had a cold delivery was when the driver picked it up immediately and then drove to the opposite side of the city | Mar 21 04:05 |
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| DaemonFC | So if your order is sitting there for over an hour, it means that probably 10-15 drivers have opened and closed it and DoorDash eventually pays them enough to get rid of it, even without a decent tip. | Mar 21 04:05 |
| DaemonFC | If your McDonalds sits there for over 15 minutes, it's not very palatable anymore. | Mar 21 04:06 |
| mjg59_ | And also apparently left it upside down | Mar 21 04:06 |
| DaemonFC | The ice melts, the cheeseburger bun gets crunchy and stale, the cheese reverts to a plastic-like texture, the fries turn into packing peanuts. | Mar 21 04:06 |
| DaemonFC | But they use DoorDash. | Mar 21 04:06 |
| DaemonFC | I guess standards aren't high. | Mar 21 04:06 |
| DaemonFC | "<mjg59_> And also apparently left it upside down" | Mar 21 04:07 |
| DaemonFC | That seems like you offended him somehow. | Mar 21 04:08 |
| DaemonFC | Why else would you go through the ADDED effort of turning the pizza upside down? | Mar 21 04:08 |
| DaemonFC | HOW could you accidentally turn the pizza upside down? | Mar 21 04:08 |
| mjg59_ | I genuinely don't know! | Mar 21 04:09 |
| mjg59_ | But if I habitually tipped shittily you'd expect it to have happened more than once? | Mar 21 04:09 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know how those apps work too well. | Mar 21 04:09 |
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| DaemonFC | I think I used them like maybe twice. | Mar 21 04:09 |
| DaemonFC | No, three times. | Mar 21 04:09 |
| matey | /me presumes that mjg59_s habits regarding food delivery are reasonable and that grilling him over them are a waste of time, unless its just for fun | Mar 21 04:10 |
| DaemonFC | All were when restaurants were offering to waive the delivery fee during like 2020 I think. | Mar 21 04:10 |
| DaemonFC | Once from Little Caesars, once from Wendy's, and once from Popeye's. | Mar 21 04:10 |
| matey | i dont use food delivery services unless theyre tied directly and exclusively to the restaurant (no doordash etc) | Mar 21 04:11 |
| DaemonFC | I tipped well all three times, and the only bad delivery I got was from Popeye's where they added a fee for dipping sauces after they said they came with the meal at no extra charge. $1.50 per sauce. I was not thrilled about that. So they refunded it. Nuisance. | Mar 21 04:11 |
| mjg59_ | matey: The only time I'll use them is if the restaurant explicitly links to them as their preferred delivery partner | Mar 21 04:11 |
| DaemonFC | And the order was kind of cold, but the lady that pulled up had a clunker and her two young children were in the back seat. | Mar 21 04:11 |
| DaemonFC | So I decided to just let it go and give her a good rating anyway. | Mar 21 04:12 |
| matey | i presume you avoid them as a rule | Mar 21 04:12 |
| matey | if everyone did that im sure they would suffer and possibly go out of business | Mar 21 04:12 |
| mjg59_ | matey: Yeah I'd much rather give the money to the restaurant and have them have properly paid delivery people | Mar 21 04:12 |
| matey | bonus points presumably to anyone who never uses them, even if its self-serving | Mar 21 04:12 |
| matey | Yeah I'd much rather give the money to the restaurant <- exactly | Mar 21 04:12 |
| DaemonFC | Yes, I only order pizza delivery now if it's going to be from a place with their own delivery staff. | Mar 21 04:12 |
| DaemonFC | I ask when I call to order it if they're using a delivery company or their own employees. | Mar 21 04:13 |
| DaemonFC | I just sort of figured at first that they had partnered with GrubHub to pay delivery workers a fair wage and just didn't want them on their own payroll. | Mar 21 04:13 |
| matey | people underestimate the power of a partial boycott, where if adoption was widespread enough, the business would suffer existential losses | Mar 21 04:14 |
| DaemonFC | But then I figured out that it's shitty piece work that barely covers gas, and I felt really bad and removed it from my phone. | Mar 21 04:14 |
| matey | in other words if everyone barely used amazon, they would fall over | Mar 21 04:14 |
| matey | it wouldnt matter whether they never did (though that would be great too) | Mar 21 04:14 |
| DaemonFC | Well, the whole scam of "apps" is to get around the New Deal. | Mar 21 04:14 |
| DaemonFC | Because half the Social Security and Medicare tax is paid by the employer. | Mar 21 04:15 |
| matey | by "partial" of course i mean substantial but not complete | Mar 21 04:15 |
| DaemonFC | And so when you are a contractor, you pay both halves instead of just the employee share. | Mar 21 04:15 |
| DaemonFC | So not only do these things barely cover gas, you get fucked extra hard by the IRS at the end of the year. | Mar 21 04:15 |
| matey | if people used uber only in emergencies for example, that would be incredibly helpful | Mar 21 04:15 |
| DaemonFC | And you have to make estimated tax payments quarterly. | Mar 21 04:15 |
| matey | if it was widespread enough | Mar 21 04:15 |
| DaemonFC | Which is WAY more than a gig economy bullshit app job is worth. | Mar 21 04:15 |
| DaemonFC | Huge headache. Very rapacious. | Mar 21 04:16 |
| matey | the whole thing would just fall apart | Mar 21 04:16 |
| DaemonFC | The whole thing IS falling apart. | Mar 21 04:16 |
| mjg59_ | DaemonFC: Anyway, are we good on the accusations that I deliberately fuck over delivery people by tipping badly? | Mar 21 04:16 |
| DaemonFC | The orders are being canceled for Walmart+ because they pay even worse than normal DoorDash. | Mar 21 04:16 |
| DaemonFC | I just wasn't sure how else that it could go down like that. | Mar 21 04:17 |
| matey | the one drawback is partial boycotts of incredibly addictive things, like twitter :) which apparently is incredibly addictive | Mar 21 04:17 |
| mjg59_ | DaemonFC: So you decided to just make something up? | Mar 21 04:17 |
| DaemonFC | In a market economy, you typically only get service once the cost to provide that service is fair, or at least when they can't do better. | Mar 21 04:17 |
| DaemonFC | But expecting people to work for less than the price of gas is unreasonable. | Mar 21 04:17 |
| matey | because then soon enough instead of a partial boycott its just a habit | Mar 21 04:17 |
| mjg59_ | DaemonFC: I agree, which is why I don't expect that and ensure that I pay well enough for them to be fine | Mar 21 04:18 |
| matey | techrights ran a series on "digital veganism" a few months ago that talked about this sort of thing | Mar 21 04:18 |
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| matey | dr andy farnell | Mar 21 04:19 |
| DaemonFC | Veganism makes absolutely no sense to me. | Mar 21 04:19 |
| matey | doordash overlaps a bit with this because these things are usually app-based | Mar 21 04:19 |
| DaemonFC | The first thing a lot of vegan recipes do is go back and try to find stand ins for all the stuff they can't have. | Mar 21 04:19 |
| DaemonFC | <matey> doordash overlaps a bit with this because these things are usually app-based | Mar 21 04:20 |
| matey | i hope doordash can also be used over the phone, but the drivers at least need a phone to take a picture or something | Mar 21 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | Sometimes the apps are good. | Mar 21 04:20 |
| matey | regular phone ^ | Mar 21 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | I took a picture of a "failure to yield" ticket and put it in an app. | Mar 21 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | It connected me to an attorney that beat it at less than what most of them charged. | Mar 21 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | When you just dial them up out of the phone book you don't know if they beat half the tickets or none of them or 90% of them. | Mar 21 04:21 |
| DaemonFC | The whole point of the state issuing tickets is a backdoor tax. | Mar 21 04:21 |
| DaemonFC | The cops knew that I didn't run the light. They didn't see it, but they knew that it was not only untrue, but impossible to prove even if it did happen because they weren't there and the only other witness had every reason to lie. | Mar 21 04:22 |
| DaemonFC | (He had no license, no insurance, and his brother was absconding from parole in another state. But they let him go.) | Mar 21 04:23 |
| DaemonFC | Then they stuck the ticket in my hand. | Mar 21 04:23 |
| DaemonFC | They know most people have no time to fight this and don't realize what it will do to their insurance if they don't and go "Eh, $146 isn't the end of the world!". and mail it in. | Mar 21 04:23 |
| DaemonFC | But an app helped me with that. | Mar 21 04:24 |
| matey | Arnold Schwarzenegger says he's been 80% vegan the past 5 <- that is not what that means | Mar 21 04:25 |
| DaemonFC | But attorneys don't do much. He was in there with several other clients one right after the other having the judge rapid fire them all so that the court could get to the ones that were just there to plea out. | Mar 21 04:25 |
| DaemonFC | And if you boil it down to an hourly rate, assuming 15 minutes per case, he was making almost $850 an hour. | Mar 21 04:25 |
| DaemonFC | Apps mostly just exist to exploit people somehow. | Mar 21 04:26 |
| matey | thats like being 80% not a murderer because you havent killed anyone in a while | Mar 21 04:26 |
| mjg59_ | (Just going to point out that, once again, DaemonFC has made an accusation against me, failed to back it up, and then just started talking about something else rather than admit it was bullshit) | Mar 21 04:26 |
| DaemonFC | They stuff them like a Thanksgiving turkey with spyware and crapware and advertisements. | Mar 21 04:26 |
| matey | although being vegan doesnt require a clean past record | Mar 21 04:26 |
| DaemonFC | Then they steal from people who can't get a regular job for whatever reason. | Mar 21 04:26 |
| DaemonFC | An ex of mine has an open warrant for domestic battery. | Mar 21 04:26 |
| DaemonFC | He does DoorDash because they don't look for open warrants. | Mar 21 04:27 |
| matey | in california of course, anything is possible. you can just bullshit your way to any truth you can imagine | Mar 21 04:27 |
| DaemonFC | So that may be who brings you your food. | Mar 21 04:27 |
| DaemonFC | If the order is going to pay them well, it goes to the front of the line. | Mar 21 04:28 |
| DaemonFC | That is apparently how the app works, and that seems so logical that I have no reason to be skeptical of drivers who say that's what they do. | Mar 21 04:28 |
| DaemonFC | We live in a country of people who want a lot and don't want to pay for it. | Mar 21 04:29 |
| DaemonFC | And that's why things are so screwed up. | Mar 21 04:29 |
| mjg59_ | It's a leap from "Drivers don't want to pick up stuff if it pays poorly" to "Matthew's pizza was picked up by someone who then drove to the other side of the city and back before deliverying it, so he must have tipped badly" | Mar 21 04:30 |
| mjg59_ | There are other reasons that could have happened! | Mar 21 04:31 |
| matey | mjg59_ i imagine some people think your fun to simply harass over nothing. id prefer they find something legitimate to bother you about, but they probably think "well, its matt. he deserves it anyway" | Mar 21 04:31 |
| matey | my issue with that thinking is that its more useful to bother you over something meaningful, if they can think of anything | Mar 21 04:32 |
| DaemonFC | Well, I think I've said everything about uEFI. | Mar 21 04:32 |
| DaemonFC | Pretty much every "OMG this fucking crap again!" out of me about my computer is uEFI-related. | Mar 21 04:33 |
| mjg59_ | Yeah plenty of legitimate space to disagree with me on various uefi topics | Mar 21 04:33 |
| DaemonFC | Often when I've bought a new one and it's doing something else wrong. | Mar 21 04:33 |
| matey | i can think of a handful of things | Mar 21 04:33 |
| DaemonFC | It's not just rotten vendors anymore not caring if it's absolute garbage because Windows runs. | Mar 21 04:33 |
| matey | but all of them are older topics and that takes some of the fun out of it | Mar 21 04:34 |
| mjg59_ | Anyway I've looked into this Ryzen laptop a bunch and I'm pretty convinced that it's possible for the firmware to entirely shut down Pluton in a way that the OS can never re-enable | Mar 21 04:34 |
| DaemonFC | They actively go and find more things to deliberately fuck up. | Mar 21 04:34 |
| DaemonFC | So that ONLY Windows runs. | Mar 21 04:34 |
| mjg59_ | Which is good! | Mar 21 04:34 |
| DaemonFC | And that makes it worse than the BIOS. | Mar 21 04:34 |
| matey | the most recent thing is your lawsuit against roy but i think thats funny | Mar 21 04:34 |
| matey | and since no one is willing to discuss it there goes the fun about that topic as well | Mar 21 04:34 |
| DaemonFC | <mjg59_> Anyway I've looked into this Ryzen laptop a bunch and I'm pretty convinced that it's possible for the firmware to entirely shut down Pluton in a way that the OS can never re-enable | Mar 21 04:34 |
| DaemonFC | It will be better if OEMs shut down Pluton in a way that NOTHING can ever enable it again. | Mar 21 04:35 |
| DaemonFC | Even the user. | Mar 21 04:35 |
| matey | since picking on you over imaginary faults like how you order food is pointless, id rather pick on someone who is actively and known to be causing problems for the free software world | Mar 21 04:35 |
| DaemonFC | I think Dell said they were going to do that. | Mar 21 04:35 |
| matey | but if someone wants to bother you over an old topic, that could still be useful if they have anything good | Mar 21 04:35 |
| mjg59_ | DaemonFC: This is based on fusing, so it is actually possible to do in a way that nobody can re-enable it | Mar 21 04:35 |
| DaemonFC | If it completely fails to gain traction because Microsoft can't even get the user convinced it's important enough to turn on, it will fail. | Mar 21 04:35 |
| DaemonFC | Then it will just be one more blip on their road of sabotage. | Mar 21 04:36 |
| DaemonFC | <mjg59_> DaemonFC: This is based on fusing, so it is actually possible to do in a way that nobody can re-enable it | Mar 21 04:36 |
| DaemonFC | Good. Fuck em. | Mar 21 04:36 |
| matey | meanwhile, and this irks me a bit, people are going soft on bad actors who are ACTIVE | Mar 21 04:36 |
| mjg59_ | Unlike motherboard TPMs, which can't be permanently disabled | Mar 21 04:37 |
| DaemonFC | Whenever Microsoft says "security" I use those Dr. Evil quote fingers. | Mar 21 04:37 |
| DaemonFC | Like "laser". | Mar 21 04:37 |
| mjg59_ | Pluton is actually better in that respect! | Mar 21 04:37 |
| matey | i know taking potshots at matt is fun, i get it, but if youre just a punching bag theyre only relieving stress, not fighting anything | Mar 21 04:37 |
| matey | ah well, there you go | Mar 21 04:37 |
| matey | they can take potshots at you over pluton | Mar 21 04:37 |
| DaemonFC | <mjg59_> Unlike motherboard TPMs, which can't be permanently disabled | Mar 21 04:37 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not sure why you would. | Mar 21 04:37 |
| matey | if it was a topic i was more familiar with i might do so | Mar 21 04:37 |
| DaemonFC | The worst thing that happens with a motherboard TPM is that nothing uses it for anything. | Mar 21 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | And it's just kind of....there. | Mar 21 04:38 |
| matey | all i know about it is tpm -> tpm is tpm -> drm for the cpu -> drm is bad -> matt loves stuff like this | Mar 21 04:38 |
| mjg59_ | matey: TPMs aren't really useful for DRM | Mar 21 04:38 |
| matey | which is a good reason to bother you about it, but id have to know more than just "drm bad" to really have a go | Mar 21 04:38 |
| matey | even if (and this is my position) "drm bad" | Mar 21 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | Bitlocker uses the TPM, and Bitlocker also caused irrecoverable data loss for me three times on the same laptop. | Mar 21 04:38 |
| mjg59_ | If they were used in a completely different way they could potentially be | Mar 21 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | Including one where I had to reinstall Windows because of a BIOS upgrade from Lenovo. | Mar 21 04:39 |
| matey | yeah if nukes can be used to stop incoming asteroids im totally in favour | Mar 21 04:39 |
| matey | im not sure they can do that, but if they can its a good reason to keep a few around | Mar 21 04:39 |
| mjg59_ | But the way all PCs currently use TPMs means that TPMs can't be meaningfully used to enforce DRM | Mar 21 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | I used Windows briefly on this thing until Debian had a new release out with good enough drivers to get it installed, and then go for a backport kernel. | Mar 21 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | It was absolute hell. | Mar 21 04:40 |
| DaemonFC | No improvement at all since I last checked in on it several years before that. | Mar 21 04:40 |
| DaemonFC | The only reason anyone would use Windows anymore is because Microsoft makes it a colossal pain in the ass that takes a lot of work to get rid of. | Mar 21 04:41 |
| mjg59_ | matey: TPMs have no ability to look at the running system - all they know about is what they're told | Mar 21 04:41 |
| DaemonFC | And it's not easy to document that process so that users know what to do. | Mar 21 04:41 |
| mjg59_ | matey: So during boot, each component in the boot chain passes a cryptographic hash of the next component in the boot chain to the TPM, and the TPM keeps a record of all of those | Mar 21 04:41 |
| matey | mostly they stop less technical users from having control of their hardware | Mar 21 04:41 |
| DaemonFC | When it was a PC BIOS you told people "Here's how you make a Live CD. Restart the computer with the LiveCD in it and it should boot into your Ubuntu CD.". | Mar 21 04:41 |
| matey | and by default they give more to a company i consider bullshit | Mar 21 04:42 |
| matey | thats in practice | Mar 21 04:42 |
| DaemonFC | Now it's like this 30 step process that changes on every computer. | Mar 21 04:42 |
| mjg59_ | matey: And you can tell the TPM to store a secret and only give it back to you if those values are the same | Mar 21 04:42 |
| matey | And you can tell the TPM to store a secret <- i have no use for this | Mar 21 04:42 |
| mjg59_ | matey: But there's no record of what "good" values are, so there's no way for anyone (in the general case) to know whether the hashes are good or not | Mar 21 04:42 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not aware of any Free Software I should want to use that even cares if you have a TPM. | Mar 21 04:42 |
| DaemonFC | Pile-o-FIPS-crap | Mar 21 04:43 |
| matey | i presume the goal is to make it a standard feature | Mar 21 04:43 |
| mjg59_ | matey: So you can, for example, use the TPM to store your disk encryption key and if anyone modifies your boot sequence the TPM will refuse to give it back to you | Mar 21 04:43 |
| matey | i have no use for that | Mar 21 04:43 |
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| DaemonFC | <mjg59_> matey: So you can, for example, use the TPM to store your disk encryption key and if anyone modifies your boot sequence the TPM will refuse to give it back to you | Mar 21 04:43 |
| mjg59_ | Not everyone does! But it's a way to provide disk encryption to people without them having to type in a password | Mar 21 04:43 |
| matey | if it was only on 50% of computers i dont think it would bother me | Mar 21 04:43 |
| DaemonFC | Like the Lenovo BIOS update that took out Windows due to Bitlocker. | Mar 21 04:43 |
| matey | but i think the goal is to have it standard, and its more likely to be abused than used | Mar 21 04:44 |
| matey | thats why i dont like it | Mar 21 04:44 |
| DaemonFC | A BIOS update should never make it impossible to unlock an encrypted disk again. | Mar 21 04:44 |
| mjg59_ | It's already standard | Mar 21 04:44 |
| matey | therein lies the problem | Mar 21 04:44 |
| mjg59_ | All Windows-logo machines since 2014 have shipped with a TPM | Mar 21 04:44 |
| matey | its more likely to be abused than used | Mar 21 04:44 |
| mjg59_ | World hasn't ended | Mar 21 04:44 |
| mjg59_ | Linux still boots on all of them | Mar 21 04:44 |
| matey | World hasn't ended <- this non-argument doesnt fly when you say other injustices still exist | Mar 21 04:44 |
| mjg59_ | I mean, here's the important thing: | Mar 21 04:44 |
| DaemonFC | mjg59_, You'll notice that Lenovo's instructions for installing Ubuntu say disable Secure Boot. | Mar 21 04:45 |
| mjg59_ | TPMs can't stop you booting things | Mar 21 04:45 |
| matey | sure, human trafficking is rampant in thailand, world hasnt ended | Mar 21 04:45 |
| mjg59_ | TPMs are passive components - they only do something if they're asked to | Mar 21 04:45 |
| matey | TPMs can't stop you booting things <- in practice i believe they give extra control to microsoft by default | Mar 21 04:45 |
| mjg59_ | Nope | Mar 21 04:45 |
| matey | no because you can just reset the chip? | Mar 21 04:45 |
| matey | or no because you can just do a deal with them and get a key for a bootloader | Mar 21 04:46 |
| mjg59_ | TPMs aren't involved in Secure Boot | Mar 21 04:46 |
| matey | ahh ok so im conflating tpm with secure boot | Mar 21 04:46 |
| matey | and i thought they were related | Mar 21 04:46 |
| mjg59_ | Yeah a lot of stuff confuses them | Mar 21 04:46 |
| matey | i presume you know what problem rms has with tpm | Mar 21 04:46 |
| mjg59_ | Not your fault | Mar 21 04:46 |
| mjg59_ | I spent a bunch of time talking to rms about TPMs | Mar 21 04:46 |
| matey | and whats his problem with it | Mar 21 04:47 |
| mjg59_ | He ended up agreeing they could be used in ways that were compatible with free software | Mar 21 04:47 |
| matey | ah | Mar 21 04:47 |
| matey | so | Mar 21 04:47 |
| matey | do you figure the main issue people have with it is thinking its got something to do with secure boot? | Mar 21 04:47 |
| mjg59_ | For instance, you can have your laptop use the TPM to prove to another device (such as a phone) that your laptop hasn't had its firmware or software tampered with | Mar 21 04:47 |
| mjg59_ | And you can check that before typing your password in | Mar 21 04:48 |
| mjg59_ | Which doesn't matter to most people, but would be extremely useful to activists in some places | Mar 21 04:48 |
| DaemonFC | I haven't really gone through everything in my firmware setup. | Mar 21 04:48 |
| DaemonFC | There was something in there about being able to disable Intel Platform Trust Technology. | Mar 21 04:49 |
| DaemonFC | Which sounds like maybe a good idea. | Mar 21 04:49 |
| DaemonFC | Usually things named like this are bullshit. | Mar 21 04:49 |
| mjg59_ | PTT is Intel's "TPM but running on the Management Engine" technology | Mar 21 04:49 |
| mjg59_ | So yeah if you don't like TPMs or ME disable it | Mar 21 04:49 |
| matey | disabling me is a lot of trouble for most people | Mar 21 04:49 |
| mjg59_ | matey: When TPMs were introduced in the 2000s a lot of people *did* want to use them in user-hostile ways | Mar 21 04:50 |
| matey | that would explain the aversion to them | Mar 21 04:50 |
| mjg59_ | There was a bunch of stuff about banks making sure that you were using a "trusted" system before letting you log in | Mar 21 04:50 |
| mjg59_ | But all of that turned out to be basically impossible in the real world | Mar 21 04:50 |
| matey | interesting | Mar 21 04:50 |
| mjg59_ | So they all gave up | Mar 21 04:50 |
| matey | and then pluton is... just more tpm? | Mar 21 04:51 |
| mjg59_ | At the moment | Mar 21 04:51 |
| mjg59_ | One of the problems with TPMs is that the communication between the CPU and the TPM is hard to secure | Mar 21 04:51 |
| mjg59_ | So if someone can take your machine apart, they can fool the TPM | Mar 21 04:51 |
| matey | obviously the problem with pluton is simple | Mar 21 04:51 |
| matey | people dont want microsoft in their firmware | Mar 21 04:51 |
| matey | which is one reason ill never buy a pi | Mar 21 04:52 |
| matey | its not even the firmware itself-- they just dont want microsoft in their firmware, even if microsoft cant touch it. | Mar 21 04:52 |
| matey | i dont deny being 100% averse to microsoft | Mar 21 04:52 |
| matey | i dont want to give them the marketshare. | Mar 21 04:52 |
| mjg59_ | That's understandable | Mar 21 04:52 |
| matey | if i buy a pi, they get SOMETHING out of it | Mar 21 04:53 |
| matey | this of course is impossible to avoid completely. they get something out of android. they get something out of github. | Mar 21 04:53 |
| matey | they get something out of everything they touch-- and there arent many things they dont. | Mar 21 04:53 |
| matey | i would very much like to see microsoft go the way of nazi germany | Mar 21 04:53 |
| matey | preferably with gates offing himself in a bunker. | Mar 21 04:54 |
| mjg59_ | Putting the TPM in the CPU does solve a security problem | Mar 21 04:54 |
| matey | yeah, if its not the cpu you can do attacks on it over... something | Mar 21 04:54 |
| mjg59_ | And Microsoft have a legitimate reason to want to solve that security problem | Mar 21 04:54 |
| matey | i not a hardware guy, but its not completely alien to me | Mar 21 04:54 |
| mjg59_ | But given Microsoft's track record, it's fair to not trust that that's all that's going on | Mar 21 04:55 |
| matey | And Microsoft have a legitimate reason <- im going to say they might have a TECHNICALLY legitimate reason | Mar 21 04:55 |
| matey | But given Microsoft's track record <- so i dont plan to buy anything with pluton in it, regardless of its technical features | Mar 21 04:55 |
| matey | im happy to let intel take a bath | Mar 21 04:55 |
| mjg59_ | Yeah, it's up to Microsoft to fix their track record there | Mar 21 04:55 |
| matey | i dont think its fixable. | Mar 21 04:55 |
| matey | theyve been lying and scheming for decades | Mar 21 04:55 |
| matey | and fucked us all over mightily | Mar 21 04:55 |
| matey | though some people dont mind | Mar 21 04:56 |
| mjg59_ | I'll continue investigating what Pluton is capable of doing at the moment, but people should definitely make their own decisions | Mar 21 04:56 |
| matey | of course people seem to forgive them enough to use github | Mar 21 04:56 |
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| matey | I'll continue investigating what Pluton is capable of doing <- i presume that people will do security research | Mar 21 04:56 |
| matey | lets say for the sake of argument, that leah wanted to do research on pluton | Mar 21 04:57 |
| mjg59_ | I expect so! No x86 hardware that has Pluton enabled seems to have shipped yet | Mar 21 04:57 |
| matey | that wouldnt bother me. researchers are SUPPOSED to do research | Mar 21 04:57 |
| mjg59_ | The existing Ryzen 6000 series laptops have it disabled | Mar 21 04:57 |
| matey | disabled in a way that can be enabled later, or with fuses? | Mar 21 04:57 |
| mjg59_ | Looks like fuses | Mar 21 04:57 |
| matey | /me nods | Mar 21 04:57 |
| mjg59_ | Can't prove it without basically destroying this laptop, and that'd be a lot of money that could be used for better purposes | Mar 21 04:57 |
| matey | yeah i was content with an educated guess on that | Mar 21 04:58 |
| mjg59_ | But Microsoft definitely can't enable it, they'd need the laptop manufacturer to cooperate | Mar 21 04:58 |
| mjg59_ | That's the worse case scenario | Mar 21 04:58 |
| mjg59_ | At this point I'll probably wait for the Thinkpads with it to ship and check out one of those | Mar 21 04:59 |
| matey | being cynical, i would expect it to be something that could be enabled through me or whatever they choose to call it next | Mar 21 04:59 |
| mjg59_ | If it's not fused off then the situation's more open | Mar 21 04:59 |
| matey | but being cynical doesnt necessarily make it so | Mar 21 04:59 |
| mjg59_ | matey: Intel's not shipping Pluton in this generation, so hard to figure out what's happening there | Mar 21 04:59 |
| leah | i have been summoned | Mar 21 04:59 |
| matey | just aruging that its reasonable for you to do research, leah | Mar 21 05:00 |
| mjg59_ | AMD do manage Pluton through the PSP, which is ~roughly equivalent to the ME | Mar 21 05:00 |
| matey | i can say "lea.h" to avoid summoning you if it pleases you | Mar 21 05:00 |
| leah | summarize the current discussion in 20 words or less | Mar 21 05:00 |
| mjg59_ | But PSP firmware is much smaller than ME, and easier to analyse | Mar 21 05:00 |
| matey | we are talking about the merits of pluton | Mar 21 05:00 |
| leah | what is pluton | Mar 21 05:00 |
| leah | oh is that that amd thing | Mar 21 05:00 |
| matey | i was saying that im against it because its microsoft, but im still not against you researching it because its hardware and i expect you to do research | Mar 21 05:01 |
| mjg59_ | leah: Microsoft's security chip that CPU vendors are incorporating, and which runs firmware that exposes TPM-compatible functionality | Mar 21 05:01 |
| leah | so | Mar 21 05:01 |
| leah | superfluous | Mar 21 05:01 |
| leah | install openbsd | Mar 21 05:01 |
| matey | check. | Mar 21 05:01 |
| leah | matey: you realize this conversation could go nuclear right? | Mar 21 05:02 |
| matey | leah: i believe you, but how? | Mar 21 05:02 |
| leah | not in the mood to fight mjg59_'s bullshit today | Mar 21 05:02 |
| mjg59_ | The Pluton firmware doesn't seem to be encrypted | Mar 21 05:02 |
| matey | leah: im sorry, i forget that you dislike each other | Mar 21 05:02 |
| mjg59_ | So should be easy for people to figure out what it can do | Mar 21 05:02 |
| mjg59_ | matey: Oh, I have no problem with leah. I understand her dislike for me. | Mar 21 05:02 |
| leah | matey: this is the same bloke who helped normalize uefi secureboot | Mar 21 05:03 |
| leah | now trying to normalize yet another attack on our freedom | Mar 21 05:03 |
| matey | yeah im against secureboot | Mar 21 05:03 |
| mjg59_ | Legitimate topic to disagree with me over | Mar 21 05:03 |
| leah | pluton is bad | Mar 21 05:03 |
| leah | tpm is bad | Mar 21 05:03 |
| matey | leah: im against pluton because its microsoft | Mar 21 05:03 |
| matey | leah: please tell me why tpm is bad, so i can repeat it to everyone who is neutral on it | Mar 21 05:03 |
| matey | this is not a troll | Mar 21 05:03 |
| leah | matey: the same bloke who repeatedly derided libreboot from day one, also | Mar 21 05:03 |
| matey | leah: im not a fan of matt and he knows this | Mar 21 05:04 |
| matey | just because im using a civil tone and willing to speak to him | Mar 21 05:04 |
| leah | ok, just know: mjg59_ arrives in bad faith, always. he's a hand of the industry. the one that takes away our industry | Mar 21 05:04 |
| leah | he's a paid troll, basically | Mar 21 05:04 |
| leah | i've seen his tweets about pluton | Mar 21 05:04 |
| matey | leah: if you ever choose to explain why tpm is bad (this isnt a challenge-- your opinion means more to me on this topic than the opinion of most people, and one of my associates is also anti-pluton-- im against it because of the vendor) id be interested in reading it | Mar 21 05:05 |
| matey | maybe a blurb on your website. | Mar 21 05:05 |
| matey | im not demanding anything. | Mar 21 05:05 |
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| leah | though | Mar 21 05:06 |
| mjg59_ | leah: Sorry, if I've given the impression that I have issues with libreboot then I apologise - I think 100% free firmware is an entirely worthwhile goal | Mar 21 05:06 |
| leah | the concept of what pluton/tpm/me/secureboot etc all do is very good, if it were user-controlled | Mar 21 05:06 |
| leah | it is not user-controlled | Mar 21 05:06 |
| leah | it is vendor-controlled | Mar 21 05:06 |
| mjg59_ | And libreboot is obviously the closest thing to that on vaguely modern x86 that's possible | Mar 21 05:06 |
| matey | thats the threat as i see it | Mar 21 05:06 |
| matey | its vendor-controlled | Mar 21 05:06 |
| mjg59_ | leah: How are TPMs vendor-controlled? | Mar 21 05:06 |
| leah | mjg59_: unless i'm mistaken? i'm assuming pluton isn't user-controlled and is chock full of blobs | Mar 21 05:07 |
| matey | but when you try to say that, people like mjg (not just him) say that... ok we are already seeing it in realtime, i dont even have to explain | Mar 21 05:07 |
| leah | tpm isn't even a good security mitigation | Mar 21 05:07 |
| mjg59_ | leah: Pluton's firmware appears to be a blob that's uploaded at init time, so yeah, there's proprietary code there | Mar 21 05:07 |
| leah | yeah, like we need more of that | Mar 21 05:07 |
| matey | ^ right | Mar 21 05:07 |
| leah | for real | Mar 21 05:07 |
| mjg59_ | I would like there to be no proprietary code there! | Mar 21 05:08 |
| matey | (this is exactly why the fsf needs to take hardware more seriously, instead of just playing an incompetent babysitter role saying "dont touch that, its hot") | Mar 21 05:08 |
| leah | the technology itself is worthless | Mar 21 05:08 |
| leah | you can achieve complete security with code running on the x86 host cpu | Mar 21 05:08 |
| leah | compiled from isc-licensed source code | Mar 21 05:09 |
| matey | ^ and this is why we need more free hardware people, and more free hardware focus, so USERS have a better idea wtf theyre talking about (the fsf wont teach them) | Mar 21 05:09 |
| leah | it exists on openbsd.org | Mar 21 05:09 |
| mjg59_ | leah: There's a bootstrapping problem - you can't prove that the system booted the secure code | Mar 21 05:09 |
| leah | oh? | Mar 21 05:09 |
| mjg59_ | If someone modifies your firmware then you have no way to trust that the OS you're running isn't lying to you | Mar 21 05:10 |
| matey | rms thinks free hardware could be a movement "in 10 years" like its not already | Mar 21 05:10 |
| matey | mjg59_ this an evil maid, physical access issue is it not? | Mar 21 05:10 |
| leah | mjg59_: yeah, and pluton/tmp is going to improve that, how? | Mar 21 05:10 |
| leah | tpm* | Mar 21 05:10 |
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| matey | yeah, and pluton/tmp is going to improve that, how? <- presumably with one more layer of abstraction | Mar 21 05:10 |
| leah | even if the company (microsoft) pushing were benevolent (it isn't), it's added complexity | Mar 21 05:11 |
| leah | more code = more bugs | Mar 21 05:11 |
| leah | probably security bugs | Mar 21 05:11 |
| matey | my experience with magic solutions where the key and the ciphertext is on the same device and everything is neatly packaged in a chip is "its already broken, the hack just isnt evenly distributed yet" | Mar 21 05:11 |
| leah | it's just like all that bootkey bullshit | Mar 21 05:11 |
| leah | (e.g. yubikey) | Mar 21 05:12 |
| matey | but pluton is in the cpu, so "hack this, motherfuckers" | Mar 21 05:12 |
| matey | but then they do, because the key and the ciphertext is on the same device | Mar 21 05:12 |
| matey | and the only people who saw it coming were the ones who have seen 20 iterations of the same magic promise | Mar 21 05:13 |
| matey | i could be wrong-- im NOT expert on this | Mar 21 05:13 |
| matey | im merely cynical about it | Mar 21 05:13 |
| leah | matey: the way x86 boot works is documented on coreboot.org | Mar 21 05:13 |
| leah | let me find it | Mar 21 05:13 |
| leah | here: https://doc.coreboot.org/getting_started/architecture.html | Mar 21 05:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-doc.coreboot.org | coreboot architecture — coreboot 4.16-287-gd6727ba972 documentation | Mar 21 05:13 | |
| mjg59_ | leah: If you have a measurement of what the CPU starts executing then you can create a chain of trust from there | Mar 21 05:13 |
| leah | it's a simplified overview, of course | Mar 21 05:13 |
| leah | back in the good old days, you had rom wired into the cpu and it just sort of booted up directly | Mar 21 05:14 |
| matey | /me wants to know at which point this chain of trust doesnst start with a blobg | Mar 21 05:14 |
| leah | there are layers of complexity inbetween nowadays | Mar 21 05:14 |
| matey | back in the good old days, you toggled the boot code in on switches! | Mar 21 05:14 |
| matey | /me was not around for those | Mar 21 05:15 |
| leah | mjg59_: where on that diagram does pluton fit | Mar 21 05:15 |
| leah | https://doc.coreboot.org/_images/comparision_coreboot_uefi.svg | Mar 21 05:15 |
| matey | but, but, you couldnt trust the codes because someone could find the piece of paper you wrote the boot sequence on | Mar 21 05:15 |
| matey | and edit it with a pencil! | Mar 21 05:15 |
| mjg59_ | leah: pre-CAR | Mar 21 05:15 |
| leah | ok | Mar 21 05:16 |
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| leah | and i ask | Mar 21 05:16 |
| leah | why | Mar 21 05:16 |
| leah | what do you think this will do to benefit average bsd/linux user | Mar 21 05:17 |
| leah | i don't currently see how pluton guarantees that i'm running the same code i put in nor flash | Mar 21 05:17 |
| matey | the good news is that microsoft will surely get a royalty on each chip that uses it | Mar 21 05:18 |
| leah | to my knowledge, that's the cpu's job. (or it should be) | Mar 21 05:18 |
| matey | i think pluton is IN the cpu | Mar 21 05:18 |
| leah | mjg59_: how does pluton benefit me? | Mar 21 05:18 |
| mjg59_ | leah: Most people are not going to be targed by any kind of firmware attack | Mar 21 05:18 |
| leah | ok, explain to me how i'll be attacked | Mar 21 05:19 |
| matey | i think the logo for pluton should be ceilingcat. im sure they can license it. | Mar 21 05:19 |
| mjg59_ | leah: But *some* people are, and many of those people are activists | Mar 21 05:19 |
| leah | let's say i'm ed snowden | Mar 21 05:19 |
| leah | how do i get pwned | Mar 21 05:19 |
| mjg59_ | leah: So do you want those people to have to buy different hardware, making them more obvious targets? | Mar 21 05:19 |
| leah | ? | Mar 21 05:19 |
| matey | im in ur cpu, completely inert and causing no problem for average yoosers | Mar 21 05:19 |
| mjg59_ | The easiest way to allow people to make use of security features without drawing attention to themselves is to give those security features to everyone | Mar 21 05:20 |
| leah | or | Mar 21 05:20 |
| leah | and this may be an unpopular opinion: | Mar 21 05:20 |
| leah | don't do that | Mar 21 05:20 |
| leah | flash coreboot | Mar 21 05:20 |
| mjg59_ | Most people don't need Signal, but the more people who use Signal, the lower the risk of governments being able to just arrest everyone using Signal | Mar 21 05:20 |
| leah | mjg59_: you haven't answered my question | Mar 21 05:20 |
| mjg59_ | leah: How does flashing Coreboot help here? | Mar 21 05:20 |
| DaemonFC | mjg59_, You know, like those towns where it's the law that everyone has to have a gun. | Mar 21 05:21 |
| DaemonFC | There's not much crime. | Mar 21 05:21 |
| leah | you said: there's no way to guarantee i'm actually running the same code i think i am | Mar 21 05:21 |
| leah | mjg59_: the question you just asked me, is the same question i have, but for pluton | Mar 21 05:21 |
| leah | also, there are ways to protect the flash on your machine | Mar 21 05:21 |
| leah | on intel there's ifd and prx regs | Mar 21 05:22 |
| matey | reflecttions on trusting microsoft | Mar 21 05:22 |
| leah | no idea about amd, haven't investigated flash protection there yet | Mar 21 05:22 |
| DaemonFC | I think that towns here should do that. That you have to have a FOID card and a gun in your house. | Mar 21 05:22 |
| leah | the way you check your firmware isn't tampered with, is with a raspberry pi | Mar 21 05:23 |
| leah | connect a pomona clip and dump your rom | Mar 21 05:23 |
| DaemonFC | Or your household owns a fine of $500 to the city each year if you can't prove you are disqualified from being able to, or too disabled to use one. | Mar 21 05:23 |
| leah | if it's a good hash, you're good to go | Mar 21 05:23 |
| leah | that's it | Mar 21 05:23 |
| leah | and it better be coreboot that you're running | Mar 21 05:23 |
| leah | otherwise | Mar 21 05:23 |
| leah | who do you even care about security | Mar 21 05:24 |
| DaemonFC | People tend to commit crimes when they know the odds favor them. | Mar 21 05:24 |
| leah | if you can't audit the code of what's flashed, then why bother? | Mar 21 05:24 |
| *psydroid8 notes that x86 hardware has been getting more expensive and the low-end affordable x86 CPUs aren't much faster than the latest ARM and RISC-V chips, so believed that x86 market share will be decreasing over the next few years leading to even higher prices for those stuck with x86 | Mar 21 05:24 | |
| leah | pluton is microsoft's security | Mar 21 05:24 |
| DaemonFC | And the odds favor them when the government makes it too much of a hassle to fend off an attacker. | Mar 21 05:24 |
| leah | not yours | Mar 21 05:24 |
| leah | mjg59_: btw, are you aware of libre silicon project | Mar 21 05:24 |
| leah | https://libresilicon.com/ | Mar 21 05:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-libresilicon.com | Libre Silicon | Mar 21 05:24 | |
| leah | *this* is the answer to hardware security. not layers of obscurity | Mar 21 05:25 |
| DaemonFC | A security chip designed by Microsoft. | Mar 21 05:25 |
| matey | holy shit, this is why the fsf is wrong about hardware | Mar 21 05:25 |
| DaemonFC | We live in a parody of the world. | Mar 21 05:25 |
| psydroid8 | believes* | Mar 21 05:25 |
| leah | mjg59_: look up the following: | Mar 21 05:25 |
| DaemonFC | Nobody trusts Microsoft to keep their data secure, and if they do, they're an idiot. | Mar 21 05:25 |
| leah | * jeri ellsworth homemade transistor | Mar 21 05:25 |
| leah | * sam zeloof homemade silicon chip (he made a cpu in his garage) | Mar 21 05:25 |
| leah | libre silicon project is based on those two | Mar 21 05:25 |
| matey | didnt jeri ellsworth do a bunch of fun fpga stuff like an fpga c64? | Mar 21 05:26 |
| leah | in *our* lifetime, we will have performant homemade computers | Mar 21 05:26 |
| leah | fully homemade | Mar 21 05:26 |
| mjg59_ | leah: A libre implementation of this would be preferable, but you still need something equivalent | Mar 21 05:26 |
| leah | mjg59_: yeah well, the point i'm about to make is this: | Mar 21 05:26 |
| matey | in *our* lifetime, we will have performant homemade computers \o/ | Mar 21 05:26 |
| leah | security is when you control every aspect | Mar 21 05:26 |
| matey | THATS the kind of freedom i want | Mar 21 05:26 |
| mjg59_ | Google's Titan implementation is something I'd prefer to Microsoft's approach here | Mar 21 05:26 |
| leah | right now, we only control software | Mar 21 05:26 |
| leah | but that will change in our lifetime | Mar 21 05:26 |
| matey | yes | Mar 21 05:26 |
| matey | leah: and the fsf wont even tell you about it, because they dont know about this stuff | Mar 21 05:27 |
| mjg59_ | leah: Security is when you control every aspect, and are able to prevent other people from asserting the same control | Mar 21 05:27 |
| matey | this is why we need free hardware | Mar 21 05:27 |
| leah | knowledge of how to do photolithography and how to actually beam gate patterns onto silicon is now in the hands of hobbyists | Mar 21 05:27 |
| matey | so users can control their computing | Mar 21 05:27 |
| matey | not just their compiler | Mar 21 05:27 |
| leah | mjg59_: let me find you a nice video | Mar 21 05:27 |
| matey | (which is increasinly controlled by ibm) | Mar 21 05:27 |
| leah | mjg59_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IS5ycm7VfXg | Mar 21 05:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Invidious: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=IS5ycm7VfXg | Mar 21 05:27 | |
| leah | watch this | Mar 21 05:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> yewtu.be | "Z2" - Upgraded Homemade Silicon Chips - Invidious | Mar 21 05:27 | |
| leah | and watch every other video on that guy's youtube channel | Mar 21 05:27 |
| leah | he did that in highschool | Mar 21 05:27 |
| matey | leah: why the f doesnt fsf talk about this? | Mar 21 05:28 |
| leah | in the future, we will have fully homemade computers, performant enough to boot bsd/linux | Mar 21 05:28 |
| matey | this is "users having control of their computing" | Mar 21 05:28 |
| leah | matey: because they're "toejam witnesses" and stallman wants to keep his throne and refuses to adapt to changing times | Mar 21 05:29 |
| leah | everything the fsf preaches is obsolete because of this and other developments in recent years | Mar 21 05:29 |
| matey | matey: because they're "toejam witnesses" and stallman wants to keep his throne <- i dont want to throw rms under the bus, even if the fsf is wrong about this | Mar 21 05:29 |
| matey | even if its his fault theyre wrong about this | Mar 21 05:29 |
| matey | and i dont think stallman has a throne tbh | Mar 21 05:29 |
| leah | mjg59_: but yeah, look at jeri ellsworth, sam zeloof and libre silicon project | Mar 21 05:29 |
| matey | still, its treacherous that the fsf doesnt care about this. | Mar 21 05:29 |
| matey | its a betrayal of their mission | Mar 21 05:30 |
| leah | mjg59_: i'm completely ignoring arm/riscv stuff and putting all my hopes in these people | Mar 21 05:30 |
| leah | sam zeloof is the leader of the freedom movement now | Mar 21 05:30 |
| leah | as far as i'm concerned | Mar 21 05:30 |
| matey | /me is sure that arm and riscv will keep people doing interesting work while waiting for santa to bring homemade chips | Mar 21 05:30 |
| kingoffrance | DaemonFC, sov citizens propose that occasionally. ye olde common law was the "community" gets a joint fine | Mar 21 05:30 |
| matey | sam zeloof is the leader of the freedom movement now <- | Mar 21 05:30 |
| matey | sweet | Mar 21 05:30 |
| leah | mjg59_: we currently think on the assumption that we don't control hardware. that's why shit like pluton exists | Mar 21 05:31 |
| kingoffrance | DaemonFC, after the fact of course | Mar 21 05:31 |
| matey | /me is fucking glad he didnt type lea.h instead | Mar 21 05:31 |
| leah | mjg59_: in our lifetime, small scale fab operations will exist in all towns and villages, making computers from scratch | Mar 21 05:31 |
| leah | fast enough to run a general purpose os and do all your computing | Mar 21 05:31 |
| leah | with all free software | Mar 21 05:31 |
| matey | /me wonders if roy will start supporting free hardware, or choose to be an fsf mouthpiece (or both?) | Mar 21 05:31 |
| leah | mjg59_: in engineering class, they teach you how to make a bicycle or a clock. when you're at school | Mar 21 05:32 |
| leah | mjg59_: in our lifetime, they will teach how to make CPUs at school | Mar 21 05:32 |
| mjg59_ | leah: I watched Jeri make a transistor with a toaster oven about 15 years ago - I'm extremely excited to see progress there | Mar 21 05:32 |
| leah | mjg59_: first intel cpu has about 2000 transistors | Mar 21 05:32 |
| leah | sam's chip has 1200 | Mar 21 05:32 |
| matey | its tantamount to fraud that free software ignores these issues | Mar 21 05:33 |
| leah | in 10 years we'll have homemade CPUs that do 100k flops or more | Mar 21 05:33 |
| matey | <- is not a hardware person-- has been trying to push the fsf to take hardware more seriously since before 2018 | Mar 21 05:33 |
| leah | i'm calling it | Mar 21 05:33 |
| matey | leah: i believe you | Mar 21 05:33 |
| leah | 100k flops is average performance of CPU from mid 90s | Mar 21 05:33 |
| matey | leah: you need to get everyone together on this and take over free computing | Mar 21 05:34 |
| leah | and i bet i get completely proven wrong and someone recreates pentium4 performance in 10 years | Mar 21 05:34 |
| matey | but i hope you will be fair to rms and his legacy | Mar 21 05:34 |
| leah | matey: that is exactly what i'm doing | Mar 21 05:34 |
| leah | i'm delayed in the startup, because i want to get it right | Mar 21 05:34 |
| matey | even if he gets this wrong-- do feel free to say why hes COMPLETELY wrong on this entire category of issues, because the fsf (and rms) are | Mar 21 05:34 |
| matey | <leah> matey: that is exactly what i'm doing <- \o/ | Mar 21 05:35 |
| matey | good! | Mar 21 05:35 |
| leah | i was going to launch something within the fsf. and told them exactly my plans. they decided not to hire me as their executive director | Mar 21 05:35 |
| matey | thats what we need | Mar 21 05:35 |
| leah | so now i'm starting a new org | Mar 21 05:35 |
| matey | free hardware and free software | Mar 21 05:35 |
| leah | i'm hoping to have it launched, some time this year | Mar 21 05:35 |
| leah | i wanted it launched this month but i've been delayed | Mar 21 05:35 |
| leah | Real Life (tm) | Mar 21 05:35 |
| matey | dont make it monolithic like the fsf | Mar 21 05:35 |
| leah | matey: yep. not gonna be another fsf | Mar 21 05:35 |
| matey | make it so more can join like iss modules | Mar 21 05:36 |
| leah | fsf tries to control everything | Mar 21 05:36 |
| matey | and theyre not good at it anymore | Mar 21 05:36 |
| leah | matey: ever watched the 1999 movie "fight club"? | Mar 21 05:36 |
| matey | they dropped the ball between 2010 and 2018 | Mar 21 05:36 |
| leah | i'm gonna do that, but with free software/hardware | Mar 21 05:36 |
| matey | matey: ever watched the 1999 movie "fight club" <- a favourite | Mar 21 05:36 |
| leah | decentralized movement | Mar 21 05:36 |
| matey | rip meatloaf | Mar 21 05:36 |
| leah | unifying what are currently separate, disunified projects/orgs | Mar 21 05:36 |
| matey | ?-2022 | Mar 21 05:36 |
| leah | freedom as an argument is solid | Mar 21 05:36 |
| leah | but our current leaders are ineffective | Mar 21 05:37 |
| matey | the point of free software was users would have control of their computing | Mar 21 05:37 |
| matey | not their compiler | Mar 21 05:37 |
| leah | mjg59_: wanna see something cool? | Mar 21 05:37 |
| matey | the work rms did in this was pioneering | Mar 21 05:37 |
| matey | but pioneering has a way of finding new frontiers | Mar 21 05:37 |
| matey | and free hardware is the next frontier for users that want to be libre | Mar 21 05:38 |
| leah | mjg59_: this is sam's photolithography stepper, used to beam gate patterns onto silicon waifers: | Mar 21 05:38 |
| leah | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nxz_ENnmgtI | Mar 21 05:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Invidious: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Nxz_ENnmgtI | Mar 21 05:38 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> yewtu.be | Maskless Photolithography Stepper for Homemade Chips - Invidious | Mar 21 05:38 | |
| matey | its not a fad, its not a science project for lulz | Mar 21 05:38 |
| matey | its a movement | Mar 21 05:38 |
| leah | mjg59_: he built it, by modifying a $100 DLP projector, second hand, that me purchased on amazon | Mar 21 05:38 |
| matey | the fsf is stupid to not recognise this-- its very foolish | Mar 21 05:38 |
| leah | he describes it in that video | Mar 21 05:38 |
| matey | people who care about free software should be ECSTATIC over this | Mar 21 05:38 |
| kingoffrance | matey, a pioneer is someone with arrows in their back :) | Mar 21 05:38 |
| leah | mjg59_: intel's photolithography steppers cost billions of dollars | Mar 21 05:38 |
| matey | kingoffrance: dont ever change | Mar 21 05:38 |
| mjg59_ | leah: Literally everything I am in favour of from a security perspective would be better if it could be fabricated in an entirely free manner | Mar 21 05:38 |
| leah | he did it with a shit dlp projector | Mar 21 05:38 |
| leah | and it works | Mar 21 05:38 |
| kingoffrance | lol | Mar 21 05:38 |
| leah | lol | Mar 21 05:38 |
| leah | and | Mar 21 05:39 |
| leah | i want to stress this point; | Mar 21 05:39 |
| leah | he did it while he was a highschool student | Mar 21 05:39 |
| matey | leah: free software people who ignore these developments are hardly better than frauds (i want to stress that reasonable exceptions exist-- but there isnt a lot of excuse for this!) | Mar 21 05:40 |
| leah | mjg59_: and this is where you come in | Mar 21 05:40 |
| leah | mjg59_: you have a massive following. i ask of you: | Mar 21 05:40 |
| leah | promote sam's work. promote libre silicon project | Mar 21 05:40 |
| leah | they need more eyes | Mar 21 05:40 |
| leah | you have a massive following | Mar 21 05:40 |
| leah | well. not massive. but a bigger following than i do. lol | Mar 21 05:40 |
| mjg59_ | leah: Gladly | Mar 21 05:40 |
| leah | cheers | Mar 21 05:40 |
| matey | /me thinks most of the people who follow matt are probably chasing him with pitchforks | Mar 21 05:40 |
| mjg59_ | leah: If you haven't seen anything in a couple of days, remind me - it's late and there's a chance I'll just forget | Mar 21 05:41 |
| matey | at least hes less annoying to talk to than matt lee | Mar 21 05:41 |
| leah | matey: mjg59_ isn't evil | Mar 21 05:41 |
| matey | we have a different concept of evil then | Mar 21 05:41 |
| leah | but i disagree with some things he's said in the past | Mar 21 05:41 |
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| matey | evil is something that can take over good people | Mar 21 05:42 |
| leah | people are of course entitled to their views | Mar 21 05:42 |
| matey | you see the good in matt. theres good in EVERY person | Mar 21 05:42 |
| matey | its a question of what takes hold | Mar 21 05:42 |
| matey | but point noted anyway | Mar 21 05:42 |
| leah | honestly, most of my disdain for him comes from the rms saga last year | Mar 21 05:42 |
| leah | and i've since become disillusioned with rms | Mar 21 05:42 |
| matey | people are of course entitled to their views <- they have to be. science and society in general fall apart when people arent allowed to have views | Mar 21 05:42 |
| leah | i privately refer to his most loyal followers as "toejam witnesses" | Mar 21 05:43 |
| leah | you know the people i mean | Mar 21 05:43 |
| leah | the people who just blindly parrot whatever he says | Mar 21 05:43 |
| matey | <leah> and i've since become disillusioned with rms <- any chance youve seen babylon 5? | Mar 21 05:43 |
| matey | please say yes | Mar 21 05:43 |
| leah | TW "toejam witness" of course, being a parody of jehovas witnesses | Mar 21 05:43 |
| matey | its the only metaphor that fits here | Mar 21 05:43 |
| leah | lol | Mar 21 05:43 |
| leah | rms isn't evil either | Mar 21 05:43 |
| leah | just wrong | Mar 21 05:43 |
| matey | no hes not evil and he has earned a legacy imo | Mar 21 05:44 |
| leah | about pretty much everything | Mar 21 05:44 |
| leah | free software is great | Mar 21 05:44 |
| matey | theres a point where kosh says (daemonfc can quote this more completely) | Mar 21 05:44 |
| leah | but he isn't the leader of it anymore | Mar 21 05:44 |
| matey | "they are a dying people. we should let them die" | Mar 21 05:44 |
| matey | this applies to the fsf | Mar 21 05:44 |
| leah | matey: but the problem isn't who is in charge | Mar 21 05:44 |
| leah | the problem is that there's 1 person in charge | Mar 21 05:44 |
| leah | i want a federated movement | Mar 21 05:44 |
| matey | thats part fo the problem | Mar 21 05:44 |
| leah | with no clear leadership | Mar 21 05:44 |
| leah | no central control | Mar 21 05:45 |
| matey | yes, we need a federated movement | Mar 21 05:45 |
| leah | the fsf/gnu model worked in the 90s when the movement was small | Mar 21 05:45 |
| leah | these days, it's huge | Mar 21 05:45 |
| matey | for the same reasons raid exists | Mar 21 05:45 |
| leah | free software has "won" but the very people who started it lost control of it | Mar 21 05:45 |
| leah | but they stuck to the old ways | Mar 21 05:45 |
| matey | yes | Mar 21 05:45 |
| leah | i initially thought: | Mar 21 05:45 |
| leah | just grow a bigger org | Mar 21 05:45 |
| leah | but that doesn't solve anything | Mar 21 05:45 |
| matey | i dont think you have the slightest idea how completely we agree on this | Mar 21 05:45 |
| leah | what we need is a "federal freedom charter" | Mar 21 05:45 |
| matey | it goes beyond what you can imagine | Mar 21 05:45 |
| leah | defining our movement | Mar 21 05:45 |
| kingoffrance | you guys are arguing for conway's law :D | Mar 21 05:45 |
| matey | i was saying this before you were | Mar 21 05:45 |
| matey | but-- youre the person that can make it happen | Mar 21 05:46 |
| leah | and in the light of sam zeloof's work, we can now effectively campaign for true hardware freedom | Mar 21 05:46 |
| leah | the current movement focuses purely on software | Mar 21 05:46 |
| leah | there *is* a free hardware movement | Mar 21 05:46 |
| leah | but it isn't organized politically | Mar 21 05:46 |
| leah | it's organized on a technical basis only | Mar 21 05:46 |
| matey | im a software person-- even i know that free hardware is the VITAL next step | Mar 21 05:46 |
| leah | we need the same ideological zeal as the fsf | Mar 21 05:46 |
| matey | yes | Mar 21 05:46 |
| leah | but adapted to modern times, encompassing hardware as well as software | Mar 21 05:46 |
| matey | yes | Mar 21 05:46 |
| leah | and we need it yesterday | Mar 21 05:46 |
| matey | <kingoffrance> you guys are arguing for conway's law <- okay, explain | Mar 21 05:47 |
| kingoffrance | its just be being stupidly meta, nothing to explain | Mar 21 05:47 |
| kingoffrance | *me | Mar 21 05:47 |
| matey | <leah> and we need it yesterday <- no, lets wait 10 years so that we can use the time to think up a good excuse for why we waited! | Mar 21 05:47 |
| leah | matey: the federation is coming | Mar 21 05:47 |
| matey | about bloody time too | Mar 21 05:47 |
| leah | the federation of freedom | Mar 21 05:48 |
| matey | should have happened 5 years ago | Mar 21 05:48 |
| matey | but now would suffice | Mar 21 05:48 |
| leah | i'll have something off the ground some time this year | Mar 21 05:48 |
| leah | i wanted to launch it last year | Mar 21 05:48 |
| leah | but | Mar 21 05:48 |
| matey | dont ever stop | Mar 21 05:48 |
| leah | real life gets in the way | Mar 21 05:48 |
| matey | make this one your lifes work | Mar 21 05:48 |
| leah | it will happen | Mar 21 05:48 |
| leah | either i will launch it soon | Mar 21 05:48 |
| leah | or someone else will | Mar 21 05:48 |
| leah | i've been spreading the idea to a select few people | Mar 21 05:48 |
| leah | everyone i tell it to, thinks it's a brilliant idea | Mar 21 05:48 |
| matey | its a NECESSARY idea | Mar 21 05:48 |
| matey | its also smart | Mar 21 05:49 |
| matey | two things that go nicely together | Mar 21 05:49 |
| leah | i'm not going to fight the fsf though | Mar 21 05:49 |
| leah | the fsf can stay where it is | Mar 21 05:49 |
| matey | good | Mar 21 05:49 |
| matey | dont trash rms too much | Mar 21 05:49 |
| leah | the fsf isn't bad. just obsolete | Mar 21 05:49 |
| matey | instein didnt go around kicking newton | Mar 21 05:49 |
| matey | he didnt need to | Mar 21 05:49 |
| leah | he went around kicking college students for getting their math wrong | Mar 21 05:49 |
| matey | newton has his place | Mar 21 05:50 |
| matey | he went around kicking college students for getting their math wrong <- if college students get free hardware wrong, you need to kick them a little | Mar 21 05:50 |
| matey | rms didnt worry about pretending to care about peoples feelings-- he left that to-- actually who in open source pretended to care about peoples feelings? | Mar 21 05:50 |
| leah | matey: i've spoken to zoe, the new fsf ed | Mar 21 05:51 |
| leah | she seems a lot more pragmatic than her predecessors and her current bosses | Mar 21 05:51 |
| matey | does she get it? | Mar 21 05:51 |
| matey | but does she get free hardware? | Mar 21 05:51 |
| matey | as an idea | Mar 21 05:51 |
| leah | she's currently stifled by the old guard pulling her strings, who i presume put her there as their puppet | Mar 21 05:51 |
| matey | i know she cant change the fsf, i dont expect her to | Mar 21 05:51 |
| leah | but i think she's actually pretty on the ball about things | Mar 21 05:51 |
| matey | who i presume put her there as their puppet | Mar 21 05:51 |
| leah | i'm genuinely curious to see what she'll do | Mar 21 05:51 |
| matey | <- that is the only role the fsf can offer anyone at this point | Mar 21 05:51 |
| leah | she appears to have the qualities of a shrewd leader | Mar 21 05:52 |
| leah | and she's a woman, so everyone underestimates her and won't see her coming | Mar 21 05:52 |
| matey | like i said i dont care what she does at the fsf, i want to know if she understands the importance of free hardware even if her position at the fsf is useless | Mar 21 05:52 |
| leah | *and* they'll think twice about challenging her | Mar 21 05:52 |
| matey | she's a woman, so everyone underestimates her <- some of us realise that grace hopper practically invented programming | Mar 21 05:52 |
| matey | unless you count ada of course | Mar 21 05:52 |
| matey | men invented computing (oversimplification but whatever) and women invented programming | Mar 21 05:52 |
| matey | this pattern repeated several times | Mar 21 05:53 |
| matey | im sure women invented computers too | Mar 21 05:53 |
| matey | s/computing/computers/ | Mar 21 05:53 |
| leah | women were also the majority of operators in ww2 working on all the machines | Mar 21 05:53 |
| leah | including computers | Mar 21 05:53 |
| matey | but babbage and ada, then the mark i and hopper | Mar 21 05:53 |
| leah | comms industry was all-female | Mar 21 05:53 |
| leah | while the boys were out fighting | Mar 21 05:53 |
| matey | yeah computing was womens work | Mar 21 05:53 |
| matey | big quote marks but that was the culture of the day | Mar 21 05:53 |
| matey | do the cooking, do the laundry, run all the mainframes | Mar 21 05:54 |
| leah | matey: anyway | Mar 21 05:54 |
| matey | build the apollo guidance computer... | Mar 21 05:54 |
| leah | i think the fsf can be useful in my plans | Mar 21 05:54 |
| matey | dont rely on them, theyre useless | Mar 21 05:54 |
| matey | but if you can use them, whatever, good? | Mar 21 05:54 |
| leah | i won't rely on them | Mar 21 05:54 |
| matey | good | Mar 21 05:54 |
| leah | but i think there's a chance they could assist me, in the future | Mar 21 05:54 |
| leah | a leg-up, if you will | Mar 21 05:54 |
| matey | build the apollo guidance computer... <- all women | Mar 21 05:54 |
| matey | at least the software | Mar 21 05:55 |
| matey | which was on physical wires | Mar 21 05:55 |
| leah | stallman's fsf will never help me | Mar 21 05:55 |
| leah | but stallman is not long for this world | Mar 21 05:55 |
| matey | its a mistake to throw stallman under the bus | Mar 21 05:55 |
| leah | i won't | Mar 21 05:55 |
| matey | it will hurt your credibility (but it wont stop free hardware) | Mar 21 05:55 |
| matey | good, its a point of honour more than a strategic issue | Mar 21 05:55 |
| leah | that guy completely opposes free hardware, though | Mar 21 05:56 |
| matey | you can do this honourably | Mar 21 05:56 |
| leah | look at the libreplanet-discuss thread, on this very topic | Mar 21 05:56 |
| leah | it started in january 2022 and extended into february | Mar 21 05:56 |
| matey | that guy completely opposes free hardware, though <- im not against skewering him for this position | Mar 21 05:56 |
| matey | but give him his legacy, hes earned it | Mar 21 05:56 |
| kingoffrance | matey, https://www.nasa.gov/feature/jpl/when-computers-were-human/ look up dictionary, old term for people :D | Mar 21 05:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nasa.gov | When Computers Were Human | NASA | Mar 21 05:56 | |
| leah | he doesn't oppose it in principle | Mar 21 05:56 |
| leah | but in practise | Mar 21 05:56 |
| kingoffrance | hardware is just simulating people :D | Mar 21 05:56 |
| leah | his positions are conservative by modern standards | Mar 21 05:56 |
| matey | computers were people too, kingoffrance | Mar 21 05:56 |
| kingoffrance | lol | Mar 21 05:56 |
| leah | he clings to the old assumptions that you cannot control hardware | Mar 21 05:56 |
| leah | and sam zeloof has disproved that assertion | Mar 21 05:56 |
| matey | yes | Mar 21 05:56 |
| leah | he was even shown sam's work, in that thread | Mar 21 05:57 |
| matey | it was a reasonable given when it was true | Mar 21 05:57 |
| leah | know what he said? | Mar 21 05:57 |
| leah | "but can it boot linux?" | Mar 21 05:57 |
| leah | i'm paraphrasing, of course | Mar 21 05:57 |
| matey | but its like basing a theory of transportation on heavier-than-air-flight being impossible | Mar 21 05:57 |
| leah | he completely misunderstood the point | Mar 21 05:57 |
| matey | we have plans ffs | Mar 21 05:57 |
| matey | planes | Mar 21 05:57 |
| leah | matey: lol look up early attempts at building helicopters in the 1920s | Mar 21 05:57 |
| matey | autogyros, the helicopter any idiot can fly | Mar 21 05:58 |
| matey | they didnt take off because most people shouldnt be behind the wheel of ANYTHING, even if its easy to operate | Mar 21 05:58 |
| leah | matey: are you aware of my recent criticisms of fsf ryf/fsdg policy? | Mar 21 05:59 |
| matey | yes ive read them | Mar 21 05:59 |
| leah | you'll note that, in those documents, i didn't attack the fsf | Mar 21 05:59 |
| matey | you cant write as fast as i can read your website | Mar 21 05:59 |
| matey | please go back to cc0. | Mar 21 05:59 |
| leah | ? | Mar 21 05:59 |
| matey | i know you wont, ill say it anyway. | Mar 21 05:59 |
| leah | anyway, you'll note that i didn't attack the fsf or rms in any way | Mar 21 05:59 |
| matey | or cc by sa or something | Mar 21 05:59 |
| leah | i criticized their positions | Mar 21 05:59 |
| leah | i'm allowed to do that | Mar 21 05:59 |
| matey | criticising their positions isnt merely acceptable | Mar 21 05:59 |
| matey | it is NECESSARY | Mar 21 06:00 |
| matey | this is what science does | Mar 21 06:00 |
| matey | it rejects bullshit | Mar 21 06:00 |
| leah | but i did for example, say that the fsf is evil or whatever, or denounce them | Mar 21 06:00 |
| matey | and the fsfs position on free hardware are bullshit | Mar 21 06:00 |
| leah | the strong point i made was that the fsf is *conservative* by modern standards | Mar 21 06:00 |
| matey | almost scientifically bullshit | Mar 21 06:00 |
| leah | yep | Mar 21 06:00 |
| leah | well, it's ok to criticize someone constructively | Mar 21 06:00 |
| leah | i criticize rms heavily | Mar 21 06:01 |
| matey | of course it is | Mar 21 06:01 |
| leah | but | Mar 21 06:01 |
| leah | i do respect the man | Mar 21 06:01 |
| leah | he's a good man | Mar 21 06:01 |
| matey | im glad | Mar 21 06:01 |
| matey | his contributions to computing are no joke | Mar 21 06:01 |
| leah | but you know | Mar 21 06:01 |
| matey | he kicked off a lot of what we must carry forward | Mar 21 06:01 |
| leah | everyone has their day | Mar 21 06:01 |
| matey | it pisses me off so much that he gets hardware wrong | Mar 21 06:01 |
| leah | everyone has their time | Mar 21 06:01 |
| leah | and sometimes | Mar 21 06:01 |
| leah | your time is over | Mar 21 06:01 |
| leah | and it becomes time to let new people have their day | Mar 21 06:01 |
| matey | well newton couldnt be the leading authority on physics forever | Mar 21 06:02 |
| leah | and we're currently in the transition period on that | Mar 21 06:02 |
| leah | we have been for the last few years now | Mar 21 06:02 |
| matey | leah: this issue goes so much beyond the ego issues people will say this is all about | Mar 21 06:02 |
| leah | and i snapped out of the spell i was in last year, and have come to also realize this | Mar 21 06:02 |
| matey | esr was an ego issue-- i think kuhn is an ego issue | Mar 21 06:02 |
| matey | this is an issue of being correct about the future, and about freedom | Mar 21 06:03 |
| matey | we cant get freedom wrong just to make people happy | Mar 21 06:03 |
| leah | matey: the free software movement is actually in a pretty good position | Mar 21 06:03 |
| matey | or for "unity" or some bullshit | Mar 21 06:03 |
| leah | what we need is a hardware movement too | Mar 21 06:03 |
| leah | sam's work has enabled us to make a start on it | Mar 21 06:03 |
| matey | what we need is a hardware movement too <- agreed | Mar 21 06:03 |
| matey | its not like free software will cease to matter | Mar 21 06:03 |
| leah | before sam's work, the "hardware" movement was still software | Mar 21 06:03 |
| leah | just at a lower level | Mar 21 06:03 |
| matey | mark my words, there will be people who say non-free software on free hardware is fine, because you control the machine | Mar 21 06:04 |
| leah | of course, there are FPGAs | Mar 21 06:04 |
| leah | the hardware movement started on FPGAs | Mar 21 06:04 |
| matey | its stupid but that never stopped a specious argument | Mar 21 06:04 |
| matey | yes | Mar 21 06:04 |
| leah | free hardware movement, that is | Mar 21 06:04 |
| leah | it has graduated to raw silicon | Mar 21 06:04 |
| matey | yes! | Mar 21 06:04 |
| matey | i predicted fpgas as a lad you know | Mar 21 06:04 |
| matey | i was a huge fan of eeproms | Mar 21 06:04 |
| matey | i was like "we should make cpus like this" | Mar 21 06:04 |
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| matey | never got into hardware | Mar 21 06:05 |
| matey | but its pretty damned important | Mar 21 06:05 |
| matey | raw silicon is the obvious next step | Mar 21 06:05 |
| leah | i mean | Mar 21 06:05 |
| leah | remember pic chips? | Mar 21 06:05 |
| matey | of course | Mar 21 06:05 |
| leah | from like, the 90s. possibly earlier actually | Mar 21 06:06 |
| leah | yeah, that was a thing | Mar 21 06:06 |
| matey | i often think of switching from python to some pic language | Mar 21 06:06 |
| leah | >pic12c508a | Mar 21 06:06 |
| matey | or a lighter python made for embedded pic-chip-like platforms | Mar 21 06:06 |
| matey | its only a matter of time before gcc only works on multi-core platforms | Mar 21 06:07 |
| matey | okay thats trolling a little | Mar 21 06:07 |
| matey | but its almost true | Mar 21 06:07 |
| leah | matey: https://sigma.octopart.com/146260243/image/Microchip-PIC12C508A-04-P.jpg | Mar 21 06:07 |
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| mjg59_ | leah: Oh no lkcl is involved in the libre silicon project? | Mar 21 06:07 |
| leah | why is that an oh no? | Mar 21 06:07 |
| matey | that is an oh no | Mar 21 06:08 |
| matey | but imo only for the same reason i would say oh no if matt were involved | Mar 21 06:08 |
| leah | what's wrong with luke? | Mar 21 06:08 |
| mjg59_ | My experience is that he has a great deal of confidence that he understands problems better than he does | Mar 21 06:08 |
| leah | idk he seems pretty solid | Mar 21 06:08 |
| matey | my confidence is not shaken | Mar 21 06:09 |
| mjg59_ | And tends to drag other people down unhelpful paths | Mar 21 06:09 |
| matey | how central is he to libre silicon anyway? | Mar 21 06:09 |
| matey | probably not very, this is why im not very concerned | Mar 21 06:09 |
| mjg59_ | He's not really followed through terribly well on any projects from the past 20 years | Mar 21 06:09 |
| leah | isn't that basically every engineer though? | Mar 21 06:09 |
| matey | he cant be as bad as todd weaver or leah would already hate him | Mar 21 06:09 |
| matey | isn't that basically every engineer though? <- close enough | Mar 21 06:10 |
| leah | i've spoken to him a couple of times, even met him (at fosdem 2016) | Mar 21 06:10 |
| matey | except the wright brothers | Mar 21 06:10 |
| mjg59_ | matey: To his credit I don't think he's gained any meaningful personal benefit from any of this | Mar 21 06:10 |
| mjg59_ | His heart is in entirely the right place | Mar 21 06:10 |
| matey | shit they were efficient and focused | Mar 21 06:10 |
| leah | mjg59_: libre silicon did a nifty presentation at fosdem 2022 | Mar 21 06:10 |
| leah | they seem to have their eye on the ball | Mar 21 06:10 |
| mjg59_ | leah: Was it recorded? I'll try to watch it. | Mar 21 06:10 |
| matey | mjg59_: im an anticapitalist, but even i dont think every person thats bad is in it for the money | Mar 21 06:11 |
| leah | their eye on the balls, that is | Mar 21 06:11 |
| leah | bga solder balls | Mar 21 06:11 |
| leah | yeah hang on | Mar 21 06:11 |
| leah | mjg59_: https://fosdem.org/2022/schedule/event/libresilicon/ | Mar 21 06:11 |
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| mjg59_ | leah: Thanks! | Mar 21 06:11 |
| leah | the recording is embedded in that page | Mar 21 06:11 |
| matey | ego is just as dangerous as greed | Mar 21 06:11 |
| matey | /me points at kuhn | Mar 21 06:11 |
| leah | direct video link: http://bofh.nikhef.nl/events/FOSDEM/2022/D.open-hardware/libresilicon.webm | Mar 21 06:11 |
| leah | lol m8 what's your beef with brad | Mar 21 06:12 |
| matey | hell i think kuhn believes he is well-intentionewd | Mar 21 06:12 |
| matey | what's your beef with brad <- hes trying to be the next stallman | Mar 21 06:12 |
| matey | in the worst possible way | Mar 21 06:12 |
| matey | its esr all over again | Mar 21 06:12 |
| matey | this will not end well | Mar 21 06:12 |
| leah | idk sfc seems to be doing good work, within its own niche | Mar 21 06:12 |
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| mjg59_ | leah: Going to drop offline shortly, but again, I sincerely apologise if I gave the impression that I dislike Libreboot as a project - I want as much unauditable stuff out of the boot chain as possible | Mar 21 06:12 |
| mjg59_ | And I appreciate all the effort you've put into that | Mar 21 06:13 |
| matey | /me hopes sfc falls before fsf, not that fsf serves any purpose anymore | Mar 21 06:13 |
| leah | mjg59_: if you're serious about that last part, then stop promoting pluton lol | Mar 21 06:13 |
| leah | oppose it instead | Mar 21 06:13 |
| matey | granted they have busybox and qemu and a lot of other stuff ive enjoyed using under their umbrella | Mar 21 06:13 |
| mjg59_ | leah: Heh, it's fair to point out that there's a conflict there | Mar 21 06:13 |
| leah | conflict? | Mar 21 06:13 |
| matey | i think he means payment | Mar 21 06:13 |
| mjg59_ | leah: Between my stated goals and my actions | Mar 21 06:13 |
| leah | lol is mjg59_ a microsoft employee or what | Mar 21 06:14 |
| matey | or employment, which is basically the same thing | Mar 21 06:14 |
| matey | not every person working for the wrong employer is a softie | Mar 21 06:14 |
| leah | or you grow a pair and say fuck you to their job offer | Mar 21 06:14 |
| matey | i have no idea if the car people i think matt still works for care about pluton at all | Mar 21 06:14 |
| mjg59_ | Oh, I've turned down offers from Microsoft | Mar 21 06:15 |
| matey | or if his interest in pluton is job-related | Mar 21 06:15 |
| leah | mjg59_: what are your actions | Mar 21 06:15 |
| leah | also, who is your employer | Mar 21 06:15 |
| mjg59_ | leah: Talking about security benefits of Pluton | Mar 21 06:15 |
| leah | devils advocate then? | Mar 21 06:15 |
| matey | ooh, leah, while youre here | Mar 21 06:15 |
| leah | even if pluton does give tangible benefits, i wouldn't promote it. it's completely superfluous, at best | Mar 21 06:16 |
| leah | and at worst, hostile | Mar 21 06:16 |
| matey | 20 second (20 minute is fine, i know youre busy) take on moglen? | Mar 21 06:16 |
| leah | eben moglen? | Mar 21 06:16 |
| matey | yes | Mar 21 06:16 |
| leah | i'm only familiar with his earlier involvement in the fsf, up to and including gplv3 drafting process | Mar 21 06:16 |
| matey | good guy? | Mar 21 06:16 |
| leah | my opinion about him is currently neutral, due to lack of up to date information | Mar 21 06:17 |
| matey | fair enough | Mar 21 06:17 |
| matey | cheers | Mar 21 06:17 |
| matey | keep up the good work | Mar 21 06:17 |
| leah | however | Mar 21 06:17 |
| leah | my opinion about him up to and including 2007 is that he seemed solid | Mar 21 06:17 |
| matey | /me nods | Mar 21 06:17 |
| matey | i like him | Mar 21 06:17 |
| leah | i don't know what he's done since 07 | Mar 21 06:17 |
| leah | just so we're clear | Mar 21 06:17 |
| matey | its very clear | Mar 21 06:18 |
| matey | since you havent followed him im only asking about your opinion of him in that timeframe | Mar 21 06:18 |
| matey | i dont like trick questions, they dont help the world very much | Mar 21 06:18 |
| leah | i *did* watch him talk in 2015 | Mar 21 06:18 |
| leah | at fsf30 conference | Mar 21 06:18 |
| leah | i think it was fsf30 | Mar 21 06:18 |
| leah | it was in a building, i think.... milk street? i think the building was on milk street in boston, ma | Mar 21 06:19 |
| leah | it was late. like, i think 9pm | Mar 21 06:19 |
| matey | mmhmm | Mar 21 06:19 |
| leah | all of us went there to a floor on that building | Mar 21 06:19 |
| leah | and a bunch of people spoke | Mar 21 06:19 |
| leah | there were chairs | Mar 21 06:19 |
| leah | and cake | Mar 21 06:19 |
| leah | also beer | Mar 21 06:19 |
| matey | nice | Mar 21 06:19 |
| leah | and eben moglen did a talk | Mar 21 06:19 |
| leah | i don't remember the details of the talk | Mar 21 06:19 |
| leah | but i'll tell you what i thought of him during the talk: | Mar 21 06:19 |
| leah | he seems to have a huge ego | Mar 21 06:19 |
| leah | like | Mar 21 06:19 |
| leah | for real | Mar 21 06:19 |
| leah | but that's not necessarily bad | Mar 21 06:20 |
| matey | i mean hes a law professor | Mar 21 06:20 |
| leah | that's how i first learned he even exists | Mar 21 06:20 |
| leah | i researched his name, afterwards | Mar 21 06:20 |
| matey | a lot of successful professors are completely full of themselves anyway | Mar 21 06:20 |
| matey | im not saying he is | Mar 21 06:20 |
| leah | i got into free software in like, 2006 | Mar 21 06:20 |
| mjg59_ | Oh and there was group that sang the free software song | Mar 21 06:20 |
| matey | but if hes VERY confident... a lot of people in lesser positions are | Mar 21 06:20 |
| leah | but only really started getting properly clued up around 2012 | Mar 21 06:20 |
| mjg59_ | An actual Hungarian folk band | Mar 21 06:21 |
| leah | mjg59_: yep, you were there | Mar 21 06:21 |
| leah | i was there | Mar 21 06:21 |
| matey | ive been windows-free since 2007 | Mar 21 06:21 |
| leah | did you see me there? | Mar 21 06:21 |
| leah | i wasn't out as trans | Mar 21 06:21 |
| leah | we may have spoke, or bumped into each other | Mar 21 06:21 |
| leah | you were aware of my existence then | Mar 21 06:21 |
| mjg59_ | It's possible, I'm afraid I'm terrible at remembering people | Mar 21 06:21 |
| leah | well, no matter | Mar 21 06:21 |
| leah | i know you were aware, because your derisive tweets about libreboot pre-date that event :P | Mar 21 06:22 |
| matey | /me wonders what point matt made against libreboot | Mar 21 06:22 |
| leah | yeah let me check | Mar 21 06:22 |
| leah | it was some tpm bullshit | Mar 21 06:22 |
| mjg59_ | 2015 was, uh, not a good year for me in general | Mar 21 06:22 |
| matey | like i dont care that it was derisive, im just curious what the critique was | Mar 21 06:22 |
| leah | about how, derp, libreboot excludes ME | Mar 21 06:22 |
| matey | thank fuck | Mar 21 06:22 |
| leah | and yeah, ME on ich9m hardware, handles tpm | Mar 21 06:22 |
| leah | and i remove me | Mar 21 06:23 |
| mjg59_ | It's entirely possible that I was more negative than I should have been | Mar 21 06:23 |
| leah | so | Mar 21 06:23 |
| matey | you know today i accidentally sold something from the fsf store | Mar 21 06:23 |
| leah | matey: btw, nitter is a good way to search someone's twitter | Mar 21 06:23 |
| matey | i didnt mean to, believe me | Mar 21 06:23 |
| leah | matey: https://nitter.net/mjg59/search | Mar 21 06:23 |
| matey | if i patch up any differences between leah and matt too in the same day | Mar 21 06:23 |
| matey | i might have to kill myself | Mar 21 06:23 |
| matey | yeah i use nitter sometimes | Mar 21 06:23 |
| mjg59_ | Hey, I don't think leah's going to suddenly forgive me for secure boot stuff | Mar 21 06:24 |
| mjg59_ | (Which is fair!) | Mar 21 06:24 |
| matey | fingers crossed matt | Mar 21 06:24 |
| leah | ok, it seems i was overly sensitive when i saw your tweet in 2015 | Mar 21 06:24 |
| leah | i've just found it | Mar 21 06:24 |
| leah | and looking in retrospect | Mar 21 06:24 |
| leah | you were just being factual | Mar 21 06:24 |
| leah | https://nitter.net/mjg59/search?f=tweets&q=libreboot&since=&until=&near= | Mar 21 06:24 |
| matey | matt for my sake, keep pushing pluton | Mar 21 06:25 |
| matey | im against it, but YOU shouldnt be | Mar 21 06:25 |
| leah | matey: wanna see something truly sexy? | Mar 21 06:25 |
| matey | hopefully this will keep a nice divide between you and leah, as god intended | Mar 21 06:26 |
| leah | osboot has a logo now | Mar 21 06:26 |
| leah | and here is the boot screen, with logo bootsplash: | Mar 21 06:26 |
| leah | https://twitter.com/n4of7/status/1505770916265054209 | Mar 21 06:26 |
| matey | leah: absolutely | Mar 21 06:26 |
| leah | mjg59_ is currently blocked by me, thinking of maybe unblocking him. but: | Mar 21 06:26 |
| leah | https://nitter.net/n4of7/status/1505770916265054209 | Mar 21 06:26 |
| leah | in case he wants to see it. lol | Mar 21 06:26 |
| leah | eric cartman face. >_< is eric cartman | Mar 21 06:27 |
| leah | mjg59_: have you heard about osboot? | Mar 21 06:27 |
| matey | fuck thats adorable | Mar 21 06:27 |
| leah | i started it back in december, of 2020. read osboot.org if you haven't seen it yet | Mar 21 06:27 |
| leah | mjg59_: osboot is what my ideology was in 2015 | Mar 21 06:27 |
| matey | leah: i follow the future of free software very closely | Mar 21 06:28 |
| leah | but i was sequestered by fsf's dogmatism. was making too much money on them. i think osboot has superior goals to libreboot | Mar 21 06:28 |
| leah | (is dogmatism a word? or is it just dogma) | Mar 21 06:28 |
| matey | i was already up to date on your blog when it was cc0 | Mar 21 06:28 |
| matey | if it wasnt a word it is now | Mar 21 06:28 |
| leah | wait, i released my blog on cc0? | Mar 21 06:28 |
| mjg59_ | leah: I haven't looked at osboot in detail, but it feels like the most workable compromise given current technology | Mar 21 06:28 |
| leah | i don't remember. i changed it a while ago | Mar 21 06:28 |
| matey | shakespeare coined "luggage" and a bunch of other words | Mar 21 06:28 |
| matey | turns out you can just make up words, and if they stick, thats the proof | Mar 21 06:29 |
| leah | it's creative commons non-deriv at present | Mar 21 06:29 |
| leah | if you mean vimuser.org blog | Mar 21 06:29 |
| matey | yeah that makes me sad | Mar 21 06:29 |
| leah | why? | Mar 21 06:29 |
| leah | it's just shitposts | Mar 21 06:29 |
| matey | no-derivs is so fsf, but thats not why | Mar 21 06:29 |
| matey | but they were cc0 shitposts (and im only being agreeable, i dont agree theyre shitposts) | Mar 21 06:29 |
| matey | im a free culture advocate who thinks rms was wrong about no-derives | Mar 21 06:29 |
| leah | it's just... a shitpost article about lana watchowski's 1999 cry for help | Mar 21 06:29 |
| matey | theres nothing other than that wrong with yhour license choice | Mar 21 06:29 |
| matey | wrong with that other than ^ | Mar 21 06:30 |
| leah | plus an article about stallman | Mar 21 06:30 |
| matey | basically i just hate no-derives the fsfs penchant for it | Mar 21 06:30 |
| leah | oh also me coming out as nb.... | Mar 21 06:30 |
| leah | and some css thing | Mar 21 06:30 |
| matey | yeah i use they now | Mar 21 06:30 |
| leah | who cares lol | Mar 21 06:30 |
| leah | 1337box is cc0 btw | Mar 21 06:30 |
| matey | i know | Mar 21 06:30 |
| matey | i noticed | Mar 21 06:30 |
| matey | it made me happy | Mar 21 06:30 |
| matey | particularly that the post about it was cc0 as well-- any gpl-compatible license would do for the software | Mar 21 06:31 |
| leah | yeah i figure, web devs have attention deficit anyway, and never read licenses | Mar 21 06:31 |
| leah | might aswell go cc0 | Mar 21 06:31 |
| matey | im not a web dev | Mar 21 06:31 |
| leah | they aren't going to comply with expat license | Mar 21 06:31 |
| leah | (if it were c code, i'd use expat) | Mar 21 06:31 |
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| leah | (i use expat license now, on all/most new projects) | Mar 21 06:31 |
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| matey | expat is... | Mar 21 06:32 |
| matey | x11? | Mar 21 06:32 |
| leah | no | Mar 21 06:32 |
| leah | mit | Mar 21 06:32 |
| leah | but it's the expat one | Mar 21 06:32 |
| matey | gpl-compatible? | Mar 21 06:32 |
| leah | yeah | Mar 21 06:32 |
| matey | works for me | Mar 21 06:32 |
| leah | sublicensing clause in expat allows full compatibility with gplv2 and 3 | Mar 21 06:32 |
| matey | nice | Mar 21 06:32 |
| leah | that's precisely why i use expat instead of isc | Mar 21 06:32 |
| leah | i *want* my work to be used, everywhere | Mar 21 06:32 |
| matey | isc isnt compatible with gpl? | Mar 21 06:32 |
| leah | it is but.... | Mar 21 06:33 |
| leah | no sublicensing clause | Mar 21 06:33 |
| matey | ok | Mar 21 06:33 |
| leah | just to be clear, i specifically prefer expat because it allows sublicensing | Mar 21 06:33 |
| matey | /me nods | Mar 21 06:33 |
| leah | i actually still think gpl is great | Mar 21 06:33 |
| leah | gplv2 was great | Mar 21 06:33 |
| matey | im an agpl fan | Mar 21 06:33 |
| leah | v3 split the movement, and jinxed it. gplv2 was just called "the gpl" and was the default license, prior to 2007 | Mar 21 06:33 |
| matey | but i advocate a scientific approach to copyleft | Mar 21 06:34 |
| leah | i considered for a while: i will release everything under gplv2-only | Mar 21 06:34 |
| matey | in other words, we should watch to see if it works and if it achieves what it wants to | Mar 21 06:34 |
| leah | i used to be a hardcore v3 fan, but i snapped out of that | Mar 21 06:34 |
| matey | and if it fails, throw it out | Mar 21 06:34 |
| leah | i concluded: copyleft is screwed | Mar 21 06:34 |
| matey | im not convinced either is better yet | Mar 21 06:34 |
| leah | copyleft only works if everyone uses it | Mar 21 06:34 |
| leah | and barely anyone does, these days | Mar 21 06:34 |
| matey | im not sure thats true | Mar 21 06:34 |
| leah | so i considered the problem: how can i make my work usable everywhere? | Mar 21 06:34 |
| leah | and the expat license was the solution i found | Mar 21 06:34 |
| matey | yeah if you want your work to be usable in everything you go with permissive | Mar 21 06:34 |
| matey | ive used cc0 for software too | Mar 21 06:34 |
| leah | specifically, copyleft only works if everyone uses the same *license* | Mar 21 06:35 |
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| matey | i pushed for cc0 on the fsf compatibility page | Mar 21 06:35 |
| leah | and nobody does | Mar 21 06:35 |
| matey | they were alreafy working on it | Mar 21 06:35 |
| leah | gplv3 solved none of the problems it set out to solve | Mar 21 06:35 |
| leah | and split the copyleft community in two | Mar 21 06:35 |
| matey | karl fogel screwed that up for osi, thanks karl | Mar 21 06:35 |
| leah | then four | Mar 21 06:35 |
| leah | then 8 | Mar 21 06:35 |
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| leah | and poof. now everything is mit or isc | Mar 21 06:35 |
| leah | because people got fed up | Mar 21 06:35 |
| leah | osi doesn't list cc0? | Mar 21 06:36 |
| matey | if it really works out that way, im in favour of a scientific (non-dogmatic, evidence-based) approach to copyleft | Mar 21 06:36 |
| leah | matey: copyleft is dead | Mar 21 06:36 |
| leah | but freely licensed code is strong | Mar 21 06:36 |
| matey | im concerned about corporations taking it over and using it for slapp-like license enforcement. not like they wont if they can. | Mar 21 06:36 |
| leah | but it's all going permissive these days | Mar 21 06:36 |
| leah | i stopped fighting it | Mar 21 06:36 |
| matey | matey: copyleft is dead <- thats what people say | Mar 21 06:36 |
| matey | i follow this pretty closely | Mar 21 06:37 |
| leah | also | Mar 21 06:37 |
| matey | and when i think its dead ill put it behind me | Mar 21 06:37 |
| matey | either way im not on a crusade, permissive is free too | Mar 21 06:37 |
| leah | the *following* article seriously swayed me. not at first, but it sunk in while i thought about it for a long period after. that, plus other articles, and comments: | Mar 21 06:37 |
| leah | this is the article: | Mar 21 06:37 |
| matey | /me may have read it | Mar 21 06:37 |
| leah | matey: https://unixsheikh.com/articles/the-problems-with-the-gpl.html | Mar 21 06:37 |
| matey | oh yeah ive read it | Mar 21 06:38 |
| leah | i wholeheartedly agree with almost everything the author says | Mar 21 06:38 |
| matey | i wasnt swayed by it | Mar 21 06:38 |
| leah | but at first, i fought it | Mar 21 06:38 |
| leah | but i thought about it some more | Mar 21 06:38 |
| matey | either way im not anti-permissive | Mar 21 06:38 |
| leah | and i can't refute a single point | Mar 21 06:38 |
| leah | and i prefer facts, not feelings | Mar 21 06:38 |
| matey | oh i bet i could, but i havent looked at it in a while | Mar 21 06:38 |
| leah | so i adjusted my feelings | Mar 21 06:38 |
| leah | this is called: cognitive dissonance | Mar 21 06:38 |
| matey | i prefer facts, not feelings <- yes the approach to copyleft should be evidence based | Mar 21 06:38 |
| matey | but im not sure copyleft would lose | Mar 21 06:39 |
| leah | plus | Mar 21 06:39 |
| leah | read the infamous openbsd thread titled "real men don't attack strawmen" | Mar 21 06:39 |
| matey | a lot of the people against it are simply convinced its inconvenient, because lobbyists said so | Mar 21 06:39 |
| matey | thats not better than wanting copyleft just because rms said | Mar 21 06:39 |
| matey | read the infamous openbsd thread titled "real men don't attack strawmen" <- ive read it, and i use openbsd | Mar 21 06:39 |
| leah | when you read that thread, don't look at stallman's comments | Mar 21 06:39 |
| matey | and rms was unfair to de raadt | Mar 21 06:40 |
| leah | look at what the bsd people are saying | Mar 21 06:40 |
| matey | and roy is VERY unfair about openbsd | Mar 21 06:40 |
| matey | spreading fud | Mar 21 06:40 |
| leah | openbsd is great | Mar 21 06:40 |
| matey | ridiculous fud | Mar 21 06:40 |
| matey | yes it is | Mar 21 06:40 |
| leah | i would argue that openbsd is the *most* free os | Mar 21 06:40 |
| matey | openbsd gives you freedom 3. gnu cant do that. | Mar 21 06:40 |
| leah | do you have any inclination as to why i would say that? | Mar 21 06:40 |
| matey | yeah but im not against what hyperbola is doing | Mar 21 06:40 |
| matey | hyperbola is the reason im using openbsd. | Mar 21 06:40 |
| leah | it's not because of licensing | Mar 21 06:40 |
| leah | openbsd could be gplv3+ and i'd still say it | Mar 21 06:40 |
| leah | i say it because: | Mar 21 06:41 |
| matey | its because it takes freedom seriously | Mar 21 06:41 |
| leah | openbsd has the *cleanest* code you will ever read | Mar 21 06:41 |
| matey | yes | Mar 21 06:41 |
| matey | you can actually take openbsd | Mar 21 06:41 |
| leah | it's the *best*, mostly *well-written* source code ever written, ever | Mar 21 06:41 |
| matey | and fork the whole thing | Mar 21 06:41 |
| leah | you can read openbsd code and be like, wow, this makes sense | Mar 21 06:41 |
| leah | even kernel code | Mar 21 06:41 |
| leah | try auditing linux | Mar 21 06:41 |
| matey | yes! | Mar 21 06:41 |
| leah | i dare you | Mar 21 06:41 |
| matey | linux will collapse under its own weight | Mar 21 06:41 |
| leah | try auditing any project listed on gnu.org/software | Mar 21 06:41 |
| matey | so will gnu within the next 7 years | Mar 21 06:41 |
| matey | i know | Mar 21 06:42 |
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| leah | matey: there's a meme that gnu currently hosts | Mar 21 06:42 |
| leah | it's called: | Mar 21 06:42 |
| matey | im not just being agreeable-- these are points fo made for more than a year | Mar 21 06:42 |
| matey | ive made | Mar 21 06:42 |
| leah | https://www.gnu.org/software/hello/ | Mar 21 06:42 |
| matey | oh that thing lol | Mar 21 06:42 |
| leah | try auditing gnu's implementation of hello world | Mar 21 06:42 |
| leah | i tried, just the other week | Mar 21 06:42 |
| leah | i attempted to fork it, to create a new program, that i call "insult" | Mar 21 06:42 |
| matey | hello world was invented by brian kernighan | Mar 21 06:42 |
| leah | it would say "fuck you" in every language | Mar 21 06:42 |
| leah | i failed | Mar 21 06:42 |
| leah | *i failed* to fork gnu's hello world program | Mar 21 06:43 |
| leah | and i'm a competent c programmer | Mar 21 06:43 |
| matey | thats because a lot of gnu is unforkable | Mar 21 06:43 |
| matey | freedom 3 in theory only | Mar 21 06:43 |
| matey | i keep saying this, almost no one gets it | Mar 21 06:43 |
| leah | matey: that piece of trash bootstraps both gnulib *and* gettext | Mar 21 06:43 |
| leah | just to print hello | Mar 21 06:43 |
| matey | systemg | Mar 21 06:43 |
| leah | no, systemd is *good* compared to gnu | Mar 21 06:43 |
| matey | im not convinced-- same problem, different scale one way or the other | Mar 21 06:44 |
| matey | at any rate we agree on where openbsd fits into this | Mar 21 06:44 |
| matey | 100% | Mar 21 06:44 |
| matey | for the same reasons | Mar 21 06:44 |
| matey | now explain to roy (im mostly joking, you have more important things to do) | Mar 21 06:45 |
| matey | so he can stop trolling openbsd | Mar 21 06:45 |
| leah | #include <stdio.h> | Mar 21 06:45 |
| leah | int main() | Mar 21 06:45 |
| leah | { | Mar 21 06:45 |
| leah | print("balls\n"); | Mar 21 06:45 |
| leah | } | Mar 21 06:45 |
| leah | that's hello world | Mar 21 06:46 |
| matey | /// giggles | Mar 21 06:46 |
| matey | oops | Mar 21 06:46 |
| leah | well, add a "return 0;" | Mar 21 06:46 |
| leah | 6 sloc | Mar 21 06:46 |
| matey | the most c ive edited and compiled was a screen lock program | Mar 21 06:46 |
| leah | gnu hello is 600 sloc | Mar 21 06:46 |
| leah | sloc = source lines of code | Mar 21 06:46 |
| matey | i edited some array thing to change the bitmap of the cursor | Mar 21 06:46 |
| matey | yes it had a cursor | Mar 21 06:46 |
| mjg59_ | The GNU coding standards are a thing of their time | Mar 21 06:46 |
| leah | also i meant to type printf, not print | Mar 21 06:46 |
| leah | it's late. or early | Mar 21 06:46 |
| leah | i can't tell anymore | Mar 21 06:47 |
| matey | as long as you get the polarity of the neutron flow right | Mar 21 06:47 |
| mjg59_ | Unfortunately their time is a long time in the past | Mar 21 06:47 |
| leah | mjg59_: openbsd coding style is pretty great | Mar 21 06:47 |
| leah | i also like seabios source code | Mar 21 06:47 |
| mjg59_ | GNU still requires a changelog | Mar 21 06:47 |
| leah | seabios is a true gem | Mar 21 06:47 |
| leah | i encourage you to read seabios source code | Mar 21 06:47 |
| leah | it's very clean | Mar 21 06:47 |
| leah | coreboot's pretty solid too | Mar 21 06:48 |
| mjg59_ | Which (a) duplicates the RCS history, and (b) makes merging massively harder | Mar 21 06:48 |
| matey | gnu will collapse in 7 years | Mar 21 06:48 |
| mjg59_ | I hope not | Mar 21 06:48 |
| leah | you reckon? | Mar 21 06:48 |
| matey | im sure some of it will be salvaged, id encouarge it | Mar 21 06:48 |
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| leah | mjg59_: why do *you* hope not? | Mar 21 06:48 |
| mjg59_ | leah: Because I want a high quality GPLed userland | Mar 21 06:48 |
| matey | he hopes its sooner | Mar 21 06:48 |
| matey | oh i was wrong | Mar 21 06:49 |
| leah | mjg59_: but high quality non-gpl userlands do exist | Mar 21 06:49 |
| mjg59_ | And I would prefer it to be maintained by the community rather than by corporations | Mar 21 06:49 |
| leah | that are nonetheless free software | Mar 21 06:49 |
| leah | mjg59_: linux is gpl and it's maintained by corporations | Mar 21 06:49 |
| leah | openbsd is isc and it's maintained by a community | Mar 21 06:49 |
| matey | a community that writes forkable code | Mar 21 06:49 |
| leah | also | Mar 21 06:49 |
| mjg59_ | Given the choice between corporate GPL and community liberal license, I'd take corporate GPL, but I'd prefer community GPL to either | Mar 21 06:49 |
| matey | which you need for freedom 3 to actually work | Mar 21 06:50 |
| leah | most gcc devs are on ibm payroll | Mar 21 06:50 |
| matey | /me had no idea mjg had such a hardon for the gpl | Mar 21 06:50 |
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| leah | mjg59_: or, you let the companies add whatever shit code they want to your project, and they can maintain it themselves. their fork will die as soon as they lose interest | Mar 21 06:50 |
| leah | and your project chugs along just fine | Mar 21 06:51 |
| mjg59_ | matey: I'm *extremely* in favour of ensuring that everyone has access to the same freedoms | Mar 21 06:51 |
| leah | without that company feeling incentivized to take you over | Mar 21 06:51 |
| leah | that's what happened with linux | Mar 21 06:51 |
| matey | mjg59_ so am i if it works. leahs the one saying copyleft is dead | Mar 21 06:51 |
| mjg59_ | I've spent too much time reverse engineering derivates of BSDed code | Mar 21 06:51 |
| matey | im saying we should keep taking its pulse, it might not be | Mar 21 06:51 |
| matey | but if and when its dead, its dead | Mar 21 06:51 |
| leah | mjg59_: copyleft is ok for small projects | Mar 21 06:52 |
| leah | the bigger your project gets, the *more* risk it is to corporate takeover if it's copyleft | Mar 21 06:52 |
| matey | mjg59_ the best argument for gpl was from someone from x11/xorg maybe... keith... bostic? | Mar 21 06:52 |
| leah | ibm/redhat pushes pure garbage in the name of gpl | Mar 21 06:52 |
| mjg59_ | matey: Packard? | Mar 21 06:52 |
| matey | <leah> the bigger your project gets, the *more* risk it is to corporate takeover if it's copyleft <- curious about this | Mar 21 06:52 |
| matey | matey: Packard? <- probably, i can never keep the two straight | Mar 21 06:53 |
| matey | because there are like only 2 reasons i ever mention either | Mar 21 06:53 |
| leah | matey: if you're forced to release source code of your fork, that means you're now maintaining a public free software project. and you don't want that. that's money you have to spend | Mar 21 06:53 |
| matey | one is this gpl thing | Mar 21 06:53 |
| matey | /me searches | Mar 21 06:53 |
| leah | matey: so your inclination is to upstream your code | Mar 21 06:53 |
| leah | matey: and then your inclination is to control the upstream | Mar 21 06:53 |
| leah | and as a company, you also don't have an inclination to care about quality | Mar 21 06:54 |
| matey | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cj02_UeUnGQ <- keith packard on why copyleft would have helped x11 | Mar 21 06:54 |
| leah | you just want to push to market sap | Mar 21 06:54 |
| leah | asap* | Mar 21 06:54 |
| matey | you just want to push to market sap <- incredibly, my motives here are the same as mjgs | Mar 21 06:54 |
| matey | i want people to have freedom | Mar 21 06:54 |
| matey | if permissive code means more people have freedom IN PRACTICE then i want permissive | Mar 21 06:55 |
| matey | if copyleft means that, i want copyleft | Mar 21 06:55 |
| leah | btw i've nothing against copyleft in practise, and in principle it's great | Mar 21 06:55 |
| matey | if it depends on the project, that doesnt bother me | Mar 21 06:55 |
| leah | but, in practise, it is inferior in a lot of cases | Mar 21 06:55 |
| leah | i maintain quite a few gpl'd projects | Mar 21 06:55 |
| matey | a lot of people have spent money lobbying against gpl | Mar 21 06:55 |
| matey | that doesnt mean gpl is better | Mar 21 06:55 |
| leah | and want to license them under expat instead. but meh | Mar 21 06:56 |
| leah | too much work | Mar 21 06:56 |
| matey | it means greater scepticism is needed for claims that gpl is dead or doesnt work | Mar 21 06:56 |
| matey | but if its dead or doesnt work, im not bothered | Mar 21 06:56 |
| matey | ive used permissive, ive used copyleft (gpl3, i also like agpl3) | Mar 21 06:56 |
| matey | i maintain quite a few gpl'd projects <- more than i do im sure | Mar 21 06:57 |
| matey | i need to stress im not married to either scheme-- i just want to see the evaluation be scientific and evidence based | Mar 21 06:57 |
| matey | we need more data | Mar 21 06:57 |
| matey | probably. | Mar 21 06:57 |
| matey | i used openbsd, im not butthurt that they use permissive. its part of their values as a project | Mar 21 06:58 |
| matey | they WANT microsoft to use their code-- instead of writing their own shit | Mar 21 06:58 |
| mjg59_ | Permissive licenses are free software | Mar 21 06:58 |
| matey | yes | Mar 21 06:58 |
| mjg59_ | It's not what I'm going to prioritise, but it benefits society | Mar 21 06:58 |
| matey | there are plenty of arguments for both | Mar 21 06:58 |
| matey | i want whichever one makes the most users (all users) free in practice | Mar 21 06:59 |
| matey | in theory thats gpl | Mar 21 06:59 |
| matey | in practice it may still be gpl | Mar 21 06:59 |
| matey | but in theory its definitely gpl | Mar 21 06:59 |
| matey | i think we need more data (even now, which does sound pedantic) | Mar 21 06:59 |
| matey | theres been more misinformation than information, for one | Mar 21 07:00 |
| matey | and there ARE good arguments for both. | Mar 21 07:00 |
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| matey | and lately people talk like permissive is non-free | Mar 21 07:00 |
| matey | which is simply untrue and misleading, and dogmatic. and not even when rms ever said | Mar 21 07:00 |
| matey | what a weird combination | Mar 21 07:01 |
| matey | but not something mjg said (hes more prone to arguments that are technically correct) | Mar 21 07:01 |
| matey | you can be technically correct and sometimes full of shit in other ways of course | Mar 21 07:02 |
| matey | but if someones technically correct you cant get them on technical correctness | Mar 21 07:02 |
| matey | in other ways <- like missing context, that sort of thing | Mar 21 07:02 |
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| matey | i think a lot of people at libreplanet consider themselves anticapitalist and against hierarchy | Mar 21 07:04 |
| matey | but use tactics that will only serve corporate takeover and resulting hierarchy | Mar 21 07:04 |
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| matey | thats a technical error, even if its well intentioned | Mar 21 07:04 |
| mjg59_ | matey: Anyway, even if we clearly disagree on some points, thank you for the worthwhile conversation - I've learned some interesting things | Mar 21 07:06 |
| techrights-news | Review: Pardus 21.1 • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162786 | Mar 21 07:07 |
| techrights-news | Linux Kernel 5.17 Released. This is What’s New • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162787 | Mar 21 07:07 |
| matey | mjg59_: i dont think we will ever be allies, at least not in the next few lifetimes | Mar 21 07:07 |
| matey | but you ARE less obnoxious than matt lee | Mar 21 07:07 |
| matey | hell it pains me to say it, but its true | Mar 21 07:07 |
| matey | matt lee doesnt even make real arguments | Mar 21 07:08 |
| matey | he just changes the gravitational constant of the universe to show that hes at the centre of it | Mar 21 07:08 |
| matey | and i wont really kill myself if i accidentally get you to patch things up with leah | Mar 21 07:10 |
| matey | ill just spiral into a depression for a couple years | Mar 21 07:10 |
| matey | shit happens | Mar 21 07:10 |
| techrights-news | Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE) 5 now available http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162666#comment-33125 | Mar 21 07:10 |
| techrights-news | OpenSSL issues fixes for yet another serious vulnerability http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162593#comment-33126 | Mar 21 07:11 |
| techrights-news | "It wasn't after disconnecting from the problem and spending some time away from the computer that it came to me and I figured it out" https://rachelbythebay.com/w/2022/03/19/time/ | Mar 21 07:12 |
| techrights-news | "Python has often been touted as a "batteries included" language because of its rich standard library that provides access to numerous utility modules and is distributed with the language" https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/888043/1bd384391190f7d1/ | Mar 21 07:12 |
| techrights-news | Telegram’s ban in Brazil has been lifted https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/20/22988183/telegrams-ban-brazil-lifted-president-bolsonaro | Mar 21 07:13 |
| techrights-news | Microsoft Windows TCO https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/cyber-warfare-becomes-part-curriculum-ukrainian-students | Mar 21 07:14 |
| techrights-news | Gulag Has Opened the Door To Clownflare https://danielmiessler.com/blog/google-has-opened-the-door-to-cloudflare/ | Mar 21 07:14 |
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| techrights-news | SPY Home components https://michael.stapelberg.ch/posts/2022-03-19-smart-home-components/ | Mar 21 07:15 |
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| techrights-news | "Julian and Stella have asked that instead of sending gifts, please consider one of the following..." https://dontextraditeassange.com/events/assange-wedding/ | Mar 21 07:16 |
| techrights-news | "The campaign shows examples of situations where competitors agree to fix prices, divide markets, and rig bids – all of which are illegal activities" https://itwire.com/government-tech-news/technology-regulation/businesses-warned-about-consequences-of-cartels.html | Mar 21 07:16 |
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| matey | leah broke http://techrights.org/irc/ with their fosdem link | Mar 21 07:17 |
| matey | it hasnt updated in an hour | Mar 21 07:17 |
| techrights-news | Faulty update brainwashes AEG microwaves into thinking they’re steam ovens https://thenextweb.com/news/update-brainwashes-microwaves-thinking-theyre-steam-ovens | Mar 21 07:17 |
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| matey | (i have no idea what actually caused it, the fosdem link was the last update) | Mar 21 07:17 |
| schestowitz | let's check | Mar 21 07:17 |
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| schestowitz-TR | right, this is why | Mar 21 07:18 |
| schestowitz | as a fallback there is http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-status.txt | Mar 21 07:19 |
| schestowitz | and there is also another over gemini:// | Mar 21 07:19 |
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| matey | i presume if one is frozen they all are, but that assumes they work in a way that makes sense to me | Mar 21 07:20 |
| leah | anyway | Mar 21 07:20 |
| leah | i was afk | Mar 21 07:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | matey: no, different code | Mar 21 07:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | you can see the code in git | Mar 21 07:20 |
| matey | yeah i know, i havent looked | Mar 21 07:20 |
| leah | mjg59_: it could just be because i'm tired, but for some reason i no longer consider you an asshole | Mar 21 07:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | there's some .fig code we could add there.. | Mar 21 07:21 |
| leah | i'll unblock you on twitter | Mar 21 07:21 |
| techrights-news | Haiku - An Open Source OS That’s Different From The Norm ⚓ https://odysee.com/@oldtechbloke:8/haiku-an-open-source-os-that's-different:7 | Mar 21 07:21 |
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| leah | done | Mar 21 07:21 |
| matey | <leah> mjg59_: it could just be because i'm tired, but for some reason i no longer consider you an asshole | Mar 21 07:22 |
| matey | goddamnit this must be what oliva feels like on a regular basis | Mar 21 07:22 |
| leah | matey: someone disagreeing with me doesn't make them an asshole | Mar 21 07:22 |
| leah | matey: what's this now? (regarding oliva. also, which oliva?) | Mar 21 07:22 |
| matey | leah that wasnt ever my logic fwiw | Mar 21 07:22 |
| matey | leah youre british so i dont assume that youve ever read "alexander and the terrible horrible no good very bad day" | Mar 21 07:23 |
| matey | they spelled his first name wrong. | Mar 21 07:23 |
| techrights-news | Why is a Microsofters speaking 'for' the government now? https://itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis-sp-481/open-sauce/the-sky-is-not-falling-yet-but-chris-krebs-says-it-may-still-happen.html | Mar 21 07:23 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iTWire - The sky is not falling yet. But Chris Krebs says it may still happen | Mar 21 07:23 | |
| leah | my problem with mjg59_ was: 1) stallman stance (but i since changed my own mind about stallman) and 2) his earlier statements about libreboot, but i re-read them today, and i'm less offended. i misread his comments, all those years ago | Mar 21 07:23 |
| matey | dont change your mind about stallman | Mar 21 07:23 |
| leah | i still dislike what mjg59_ did regarding secureboot. and i don't like his promoting in favour of pluton | Mar 21 07:23 |
| matey | just fight his anti-free-hardware bullshit | Mar 21 07:23 |
| techrights-news | Arsenal is not enough https://www.vox.com/2022/3/19/22986316/russia-ukraine-cyber-attacks-holding-back | Mar 21 07:23 |
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| leah | matey: yep | Mar 21 07:23 |
| matey | also: there are more olivas? | Mar 21 07:24 |
| matey | i only know of the one | Mar 21 07:24 |
| leah | i don't know who oliva is | Mar 21 07:25 |
| matey | lxo | Mar 21 07:25 |
| leah | oh, that guy | Mar 21 07:25 |
| leah | i call him by his given name | Mar 21 07:25 |
| matey | thats reasonable | Mar 21 07:25 |
| leah | what about lxo? | Mar 21 07:26 |
| matey | its also more typing | Mar 21 07:26 |
| techrights-news | "Alexandre de Moraes, a Supreme Court judge, said he was blocking Telegram because the app had not fully responded to previous orders to remove the accounts of a prominent supporter of President Jair Bolsonaro." https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/18/world/americas/brazil-bans-telegram.html | Mar 21 07:26 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Brazil Bans Telegram Over Disinformation Concerns - The New York Times | Mar 21 07:26 | |
| matey | just his string of luck with regards to the fsf | Mar 21 07:26 |
| leah | yeah but | Mar 21 07:26 |
| leah | you said he feels like something on a regular basis | Mar 21 07:26 |
| leah | feels like what? | Mar 21 07:26 |
| matey | leah: today i sold fsf merchandise accidentally | Mar 21 07:26 |
| leah | and what relation does that have with this chat | Mar 21 07:26 |
| techrights-news | html | Mar 21 07:27 |
| matey | then i helped patch things up between one of my favourite people and least favourite people | Mar 21 07:27 |
| techrights-news | "Disinformation in wartime is as old as war itself, but today war unfolds in the age of social media and digital diplomacy." https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/20/world/asia/russia-putin-propaganda-media.html | Mar 21 07:27 |
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| leah | idk lxo seems to still have some clout at the fsf | Mar 21 07:27 |
| leah | he's on teh voting members list | Mar 21 07:27 |
| matey | and to top it off i helped roy fix a bug on his website | Mar 21 07:27 |
| techrights-news | "The word that song was censored for was “earthquake”. And it is that on September 19, 1985 a strong telluric movement had hit the capital of the country, leaving a bad memory in the population." ttps://www.parisbeacon.com/63977/ | Mar 21 07:27 |
| matey | this is a fuck-awful day | Mar 21 07:27 |
| leah | why? | Mar 21 07:28 |
| matey | because its not going how i want | Mar 21 07:28 |
| matey | however, there were some high points | Mar 21 07:28 |
| leah | sounds like every day of my life | Mar 21 07:28 |
| leah | you'll get used to it | Mar 21 07:28 |
| matey | the part about free hardware just about makes up for the rest | Mar 21 07:28 |
| schestowitz | lxo https://media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/m/the-singularity-the-matrix-and-the-terminator-86e0/ | Mar 21 07:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-media.libreplanet.org | The Singularity, the Matrix, and the Terminator — GNU MediaGoblin | Mar 21 07:28 | |
| matey | <leah> sounds like every day of my life <- im really sorry | Mar 21 07:29 |
| leah | no need to be sorry | Mar 21 07:29 |
| leah | it's true of most people | Mar 21 07:29 |
| leah | it's actually a good thing | Mar 21 07:29 |
| matey | /me has been waiting for this free hardware stuff for a few years now | Mar 21 07:29 |
| leah | when you think about it | Mar 21 07:29 |
| matey | because what doesnt kill you makes terrible pop anthems? | Mar 21 07:29 |
| leah | if you day went exactly how you want, all the time, your life would be meaningless | Mar 21 07:30 |
| matey | thats true | Mar 21 07:30 |
| leah | because you'd be able to predict every single day | Mar 21 07:30 |
| techrights-news | GDPR would be worthless if not enforced https://www.newscientist.com/article/2312820-nearly-all-websites-may-breach-gdpr-legislation-around-data-usage/ newscientist paywall http://techrights.org/2021/06/10/edps-gdpr-epo-impunity/ | Mar 21 07:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.newscientist.com | GDPR legislation around data usage may be breached by nearly all websites | New Scientist | Mar 21 07:30 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The European Data Protection Supervisor (EDPS) Needs to Get Its Act Together on the EPO’s GDPR Violations | Techrights | Mar 21 07:30 | |
| matey | because what doesnt kill you makes terrible pop anthems? <- this is recursive | Mar 21 07:30 |
| matey | unless the terrible pop anthems actually kill you | Mar 21 07:31 |
| matey | "i survived the katy perry years" | Mar 21 07:32 |
| mjg59_ | leah: Hey, thanks! Please do feel free to continue to disagree with me | Mar 21 07:32 |
| techrights-news | "The operator of MP3Juices and YTMP3, two of the best-known YouTube downloaders, is taking action to protect these valuable brands" https://torrentfreak.com/youtube-rippers-ask-google-to-remove-copycats-from-the-search-results-220320/ | Mar 21 07:32 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-YouTube Rippers Ask Google to Remove 'Copycats' From Search Results * TorrentFreak | Mar 21 07:32 | |
| techrights-news | HYPE. https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/03/20/riding-blockchain-can-tech-be-revolutionary | Mar 21 07:34 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | Riding the Blockchain: Can Tech Be Revolutionary? | Alexandria Shaner | Mar 21 07:34 | |
| mjg59_ | leah: Not all my ideas are good, and having people in the free software community disagree with me helps me figure out whether they're good or not | Mar 21 07:34 |
| techrights-news | "he biggest business in America is stealing and defrauding the federal government, Uncle Sam, and you the taxpayers. In terms of sheer stolen dollars, the total amount is greater than the annual sales of Amazon and Walmart over the past two years." https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/03/20/commercial-defrauding-uncle-sam-biggest-booming-business | Mar 21 07:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | Commercial Defrauding of Uncle Sam—Biggest Booming Business | Ralph Nader | Mar 21 07:35 | |
| leah | mjg59_: i still do disagree with you, on a lot of things | Mar 21 07:36 |
| leah | i merely no longer dislike you. you're now in my neutral list | Mar 21 07:36 |
| leah | good day | Mar 21 07:36 |
| leah | (i really do have things to be doing) | Mar 21 07:36 |
| leah | matey: nuclear | Mar 21 07:37 |
| leah | :P | Mar 21 07:37 |
| matey | i felt it | Mar 21 07:37 |
| techrights-news | Is tinnitus a rare side effect of Covid vaccines? ⚓ https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/tinnitus-rare-side-effect-covid-vaccines-rcna20613 | Mar 21 07:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nbcnews.com | Is tinnitus a rare side effect of Covid vaccines? | Mar 21 07:37 | |
| leah | sometimes, nuclear implosions happen | Mar 21 07:37 |
| matey | /me survived katy perry too | Mar 21 07:37 |
| matey | but free hardware ftw | Mar 21 07:38 |
| leah | can you survive this: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOWSp4KXwAArsvm?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 | Mar 21 07:38 |
| leah | can you survive this level of cuteness | Mar 21 07:38 |
| leah | that's the bootsplash screen in osboot. i made it recently, based on the logo (i did not make the logo itself) | Mar 21 07:38 |
| matey | i hope youre comfortable having the worlds cutest free software logo | Mar 21 07:39 |
| leah | i wanted it to have a more "hello kitty" vibe but my graphics guy came up with this instead | Mar 21 07:39 |
| leah | actually, he made that chip logo with >_ | Mar 21 07:39 |
| matey | no i see the hjello kitty in it | Mar 21 07:39 |
| leah | intending for it to be like, the standard terminal icon | Mar 21 07:39 |
| matey | its very sanrio | Mar 21 07:39 |
| leah | you know >_ in terminal emulators. on the icon for them | Mar 21 07:39 |
| matey | they might even sue | Mar 21 07:39 |
| matey | they wont win of course | Mar 21 07:39 |
| XRevan86 | leah: Feels like Ubuntu. | Mar 21 07:39 |
| leah | i suggested: make it eric cartman face instead | Mar 21 07:40 |
| leah | and it Just Works | Mar 21 07:40 |
| matey | bite your fucking tongue xrevan | Mar 21 07:40 |
| *XRevan86 refuses. | Mar 21 07:40 | |
| matey | figures | Mar 21 07:40 |
| leah | matey: i wasn't insulted | Mar 21 07:40 |
| matey | i wasnt either | Mar 21 07:40 |
| matey | just having fun | Mar 21 07:40 |
| leah | in fact, i thought so too | Mar 21 07:40 |
| leah | that it looks ubuntu-ish | Mar 21 07:40 |
| leah | because purple | Mar 21 07:40 |
| matey | yeah but the colours arent really part of the logo | Mar 21 07:41 |
| leah | but yeah, this is an illegal level of cuteness | Mar 21 07:41 |
| matey | also i agree that with the purple... | Mar 21 07:41 |
| leah | i'm going to be arrested by the bureaucrats | Mar 21 07:41 |
| matey | what i like best about it really | Mar 21 07:41 |
| matey | is that its the cutest free software logo ever | Mar 21 07:41 |
| techrights-news | "The Chinese city of Shenzhen – widely billed as the tech manufacturing capital of the world – has relaxed its COVID-19 restrictions in ways the city government expects will allow industrial production to resume." https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/21/shenzhen_relaxes_covid_restrictions/ | Mar 21 07:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | China's tech hub restarts production despite COVID • The Register | Mar 21 07:41 | |
| matey | but behind that cuteness isnt something terrible, but something that represents technical prowess | Mar 21 07:42 |
| matey | and reasonable intentions | Mar 21 07:42 |
| matey | for a change... | Mar 21 07:42 |
| leah | yeah well | Mar 21 07:42 |
| leah | that logo | Mar 21 07:42 |
| leah | is the feeling you get | Mar 21 07:42 |
| leah | when trying to flash osboot | Mar 21 07:42 |
| matey | heh | Mar 21 07:42 |
| techrights-news | To go along with hideous levels of inflation, Walmart gives “Walmart+” to employees instead of a cost of living adjustment. https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/03/21/to-go-along-with-hideous-levels-of-inflation-walmart-gives-walmart-to-employees-instead-of-a-cost-of-living-adjustment/ | Mar 21 07:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | To go along with hideous levels of inflation, Walmart gives “Walmart+” to employees instead of a cost of living adjustment. – BaronHK's Rants | Mar 21 07:45 | |
| matey | /me wants to flash osboot just for the logo | Mar 21 07:45 |
| matey | yes that is stupid | Mar 21 07:45 |
| matey | but it should be understandable | Mar 21 07:45 |
| leah | yep, that's precisely why i commissioned it | Mar 21 07:46 |
| matey | who created it? | Mar 21 07:46 |
| leah | without even realizing. i woke up one day and someone had simply submitted it | Mar 21 07:46 |
| matey | wow, nice | Mar 21 07:46 |
| leah | this guy: https://gitlab.com/ioanm | Mar 21 07:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Ioan Moldovan · GitLab | Mar 21 07:46 | |
| leah | he made it | Mar 21 07:46 |
| matey | no one i know then | Mar 21 07:46 |
| techrights-news | Linux Kernel 5.17 Brings New Hardware Support And Steam Deck Improvements http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162775#comment-33127 | Mar 21 07:47 |
| *XRevan86 refused to look at the Skulls logo and made https://i.ibb.co/mChdKnJ/bootsplash.png a few years back. | Mar 21 07:47 | |
| leah | he came out of nowhere, and in an act of sheer terrorism, made this illegally cute logo | Mar 21 07:47 |
| matey | does osboot support openbsd yet? | Mar 21 07:47 |
| leah | and i merged it | Mar 21 07:47 |
| leah | :) | Mar 21 07:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Kernel 5.17 Officially Released, This Is What’s New | Tux Machines | Mar 21 07:47 | |
| leah | matey: other way around | Mar 21 07:47 |
| techrights-news | LibrePlanet: "Living Liberation" Day two retrospective, and motivation for freedom • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162788 | Mar 21 07:47 |
| leah | but yes, you can boot openbsd | Mar 21 07:47 |
| matey | sweeeeeeet | Mar 21 07:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LibrePlanet: "Living Liberation" Day two retrospective, and motivation for freedom | Tux Machines | Mar 21 07:47 | |
| matey | this illegally cute logo <- it might be so cute it violates the code of conduct | Mar 21 07:48 |
| leah | what code of conduct? | Mar 21 07:48 |
| matey | THE code of conduct | Mar 21 07:48 |
| matey | /me has no idea | Mar 21 07:48 |
| leah | ? | Mar 21 07:48 |
| leah | i don't have a CoC in any of my projects | Mar 21 07:48 |
| matey | bonus | Mar 21 07:48 |
| leah | people seem to just behave sensibly, so i don't feel the need | Mar 21 07:48 |
| leah | human decency is common sense | Mar 21 07:49 |
| matey | voltaire would protest | Mar 21 07:49 |
| leah | my code of conduct is the moral values that my mother instilled in me | Mar 21 07:49 |
| matey | nice | Mar 21 07:49 |
| leah | and someone elses will have instilled different values in them. it takes all sorts to make a world | Mar 21 07:50 |
| techrights-news | Mabox Linux - Beautiful Arch Linux with Openbox [Review] • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162789 | Mar 21 07:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mabox Linux - Beautiful Arch Linux with Openbox [Review] | Tux Machines | Mar 21 07:51 | |
| matey | it always did before | Mar 21 07:52 |
| techrights-news | 9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: March 20th, 2022 • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162790 | Mar 21 07:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: March 20th, 2022 | Tux Machines | Mar 21 07:53 | |
| leah | matey: i publicly requested a logo last year | Mar 21 07:54 |
| leah | and then | Mar 21 07:54 |
| matey | voil | Mar 21 07:54 |
| matey | a | Mar 21 07:54 |
| leah | one person soon responded, but he was a complete nutcase and though he made an excellent logo, i didn't want to have to thank him | Mar 21 07:54 |
| leah | so i rejected it | Mar 21 07:54 |
| leah | that was last year | Mar 21 07:54 |
| leah | then the other guy i linked, came to irc a few days ago, and showed me what he had made | Mar 21 07:55 |
| matey | i publically requested a federated free software/free hardware federation in 2018 | Mar 21 07:55 |
| leah | his logo has >_ not >_< | Mar 21 07:55 |
| leah | originally it was >_ | Mar 21 07:55 |
| matey | federated federation! (the only kind) | Mar 21 07:55 |
| leah | i simply suggested: make it >_< | Mar 21 07:55 |
| matey | so i can relate | Mar 21 07:55 |
| leah | and it was done | Mar 21 07:55 |
| leah | matey: if someone comes up with a good idea, someone else already did | Mar 21 07:56 |
| matey | typically yes | Mar 21 07:56 |
| leah | the one who gets the gold is the one who has the courage to run with it | Mar 21 07:56 |
| matey | oh i dont care about the gold | Mar 21 07:56 |
| matey | i want a federation | Mar 21 07:56 |
| leah | there is always gold | Mar 21 07:57 |
| matey | i knew it would have to be pulled off by someone with the right influence | Mar 21 07:57 |
| leah | gold just means, reward or recognition of some kind | Mar 21 07:57 |
| matey | the reward is that the federation exists | Mar 21 07:57 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D536.jpg | Mar 21 08:01 |
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| techrights-news | "An easy to setup server for the XMPP chat protocol. I'm the only user on it right now but it's served me well in talking to folks on other servers." gemini://moddedbear.xyz/logs/2022-03-20-how-to-get-into-self-hosting.gmi | Mar 21 08:02 |
| techrights-news | "Please pull hwmon updates for Linux v5.18 from signed tag" https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220320231317.2171300-1-linux@roeck-us.net/ | Mar 21 08:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lore.kernel.org | [GIT PULL] hwmon updates for v5.18 - Guenter Roeck | Mar 21 08:04 | |
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| techrights-news | "Given Poland's interests and the uncertainty of a true link between the vaccine and tinnitus — not to mention a strong anti-vaccine movement — why would he publicize his condition and suspicion that a vaccine could be involved?" https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/tinnitus-rare-side-effect-covid-vaccines-rcna20613 | Mar 21 08:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nbcnews.com | Is tinnitus a rare side effect of Covid vaccines? | Mar 21 08:12 | |
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| leah | anyway yeah, throwing code over the wall and putting it under gpl doesn't automatically make it actually free in practise | Mar 21 08:21 |
| leah | it needs to actually be readable, maintainable and usable | Mar 21 08:21 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Twitter: We’re Actually a News Site, Follow These ‘Tweets’ and Twits | Techrights | Mar 21 08:21 | |
| leah | i can name plenty of software, copyleft or not, that i describe in the following way: | Mar 21 08:22 |
| leah | binary blob, masquerading as source code | Mar 21 08:22 |
| leah | this is a level of nuance that fsf people miss | Mar 21 08:22 |
| leah | for example, if someone were to ship a machine that had tianocore on it, with source code, fsf would regard that machine as "libre" | Mar 21 08:22 |
| leah | i wouldn't | Mar 21 08:22 |
| leah | tianocore is a piece of shit | Mar 21 08:23 |
| leah | try auditing any of it | Mar 21 08:23 |
| leah | source code needs to actually be a usable reference for it to be considered free, in my book, regardless of what free license it uses | Mar 21 08:23 |
| leah | i need to be able to easily show a section of it to someone, and have that person understand it, or easily be able to | Mar 21 08:24 |
| leah | otherwise, what's the point. if only 1-2 people understands it | Mar 21 08:24 |
| leah | another example is amd's agesa codebase in coreboot, back when they were released source code | Mar 21 08:24 |
| leah | the code is unusable, and coreboot later threw most of it out | Mar 21 08:24 |
| leah | (without replacing it) | Mar 21 08:24 |
| leah | if you or a small group of people can't feasibly fork the whole thing, then how can you say it's free? if you can't actually do it, in practise | Mar 21 08:25 |
| leah | most people just basically look at the license and then look whether it includes .c files, or just .o files | Mar 21 08:26 |
| leah | you must look deeper | Mar 21 08:26 |
| leah | i have higher standards for what i consider "free" | Mar 21 08:26 |
| leah | it's only free in practise if you can actually make use of it in a reasonable way | Mar 21 08:27 |
| leah | a lot of people don't get that | Mar 21 08:27 |
| matey | <leah> binary blob, masquerading as source code <- i call it free in license only | Mar 21 08:27 |
| leah | and almost everything the companies push is garbage, whether they release the source code or not | Mar 21 08:27 |
| leah | if they release the code, that's them showing their shame | Mar 21 08:27 |
| matey | but ive also described it as a blob in source code form | Mar 21 08:28 |
| leah | the openbsd position is better: | Mar 21 08:28 |
| leah | specifications, not code | Mar 21 08:28 |
| leah | they demand specs | Mar 21 08:28 |
| leah | and then they write all the code themselves | Mar 21 08:28 |
| leah | and they do it well | Mar 21 08:28 |
| matey | if you or a small group of people can't feasibly fork the whole thing <- this is why i say linux (and too often gnu) are unforkable | Mar 21 08:28 |
| matey | once its less trouble to rewrite than clean up | Mar 21 08:28 |
| matey | its not forkable | Mar 21 08:28 |
| leah | linux is non-free, by my standard | Mar 21 08:29 |
| matey | i mean if rewriting it is easier-- thats the problem with non-free software! | Mar 21 08:29 |
| matey | <leah> linux is non-free, by my standard <- no freedom 3 | Mar 21 08:29 |
| matey | note that someone demanded an exception to this the other day, which i have not ENTIRELY discounted | Mar 21 08:29 |
| leah | if you want to know what i mean by "blob masquerading as code" | Mar 21 08:29 |
| leah | download: | Mar 21 08:29 |
| leah | gnu grub | Mar 21 08:29 |
| leah | or | Mar 21 08:29 |
| leah | gnu hello | Mar 21 08:29 |
| matey | gnu gnub <- yes | Mar 21 08:29 |
| leah | arguably gcc aswell | Mar 21 08:30 |
| matey | its becoming that way | Mar 21 08:30 |
| leah | (llvm is cleaner) | Mar 21 08:30 |
| matey | gcc is slightly different because you COULD fork an older version and it MIGHT be worthwhile to do so | Mar 21 08:30 |
| matey | i dont think linux has that (really it doesnt) | Mar 21 08:30 |
| matey | (just use a bsd kernel) | Mar 21 08:30 |
| matey | hurd was a bsd kernel! gnu was originally going to use a bsd kernel | Mar 21 08:31 |
| matey | now theyre like no, its not gpl | Mar 21 08:31 |
| matey | ffs, do they think hurd was based on a gpl-licensed kernel? | Mar 21 08:31 |
| leah | actually | Mar 21 08:31 |
| leah | damien zammit has been doing a lot of nice work on hurd over the last year or so | Mar 21 08:31 |
| leah | and he's been incorporating netbsd drivers in hurd | Mar 21 08:31 |
| matey | if he can throw thiebalt under the bus ill consider hurd | Mar 21 08:31 |
| leah | due to its rump kernel design, that's legally possible | Mar 21 08:31 |
| leah | the kernel in grub is really nice btw | Mar 21 08:32 |
| leah | yes, grub has a kernel | Mar 21 08:32 |
| matey | theres a kernel in... | Mar 21 08:33 |
| leah | it's actually a tiny os with a shell, running programs | Mar 21 08:33 |
| matey | yeah when the config is borked | Mar 21 08:33 |
| matey | you get a shell | Mar 21 08:33 |
| matey | it makes sense, i never considered that it was a kernel | Mar 21 08:33 |
| leah | there is always a shell | Mar 21 08:33 |
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| leah | that screen you see for your config, is just a program interpreting your config, and displaying a menu | Mar 21 08:33 |
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| leah | it's basically an interactive subset of bash | Mar 21 08:34 |
| matey | there is always a shell <- until we can communicate telepathically with the bus, its useful | Mar 21 08:34 |
| leah | with a nice menu system | Mar 21 08:34 |
| leah | grub has a lot of features that almost nobody uses | Mar 21 08:34 |
| leah | for example, you can directly write intel registers | Mar 21 08:34 |
| leah | for example | Mar 21 08:35 |
| leah | it has networking support | Mar 21 08:35 |
| leah | you can load a kernel over tftp with grub | Mar 21 08:35 |
| leah | did you know that? | Mar 21 08:35 |
| matey | gurb and hurd are both hopelessly tied to intel anyway-- tell me im wrong, you might know | Mar 21 08:35 |
| leah | you're wrong | Mar 21 08:35 |
| techrights-news | Proprietary Software Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162791 | Mar 21 08:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Proprietary Software Leftovers | Tux Machines | Mar 21 08:35 | |
| leah | it runs on many platforms | Mar 21 08:35 |
| techrights-news | Programming Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162792 | Mar 21 08:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines | Mar 21 08:35 | |
| matey | you can load a kernel over tftp with grub <- funnily enough daemonfc mentioned this yesterday, regarding vxworks | Mar 21 08:35 |
| techrights-news | Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162793 | Mar 21 08:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Mar 21 08:35 | |
| matey | i wonder if vxworks was a ripoff too | Mar 21 08:35 |
| leah | grub also runs bare metal on arm now | Mar 21 08:35 |
| leah | also uefi arm, via uboot | Mar 21 08:36 |
| matey | ok so grub isnt necessarily tied to intel | Mar 21 08:36 |
| leah | it's decidedly not | Mar 21 08:36 |
| leah | in fact, that was one of the first things they did with grub2 | Mar 21 08:36 |
| matey | what about hurd? any prayer of getting it onto other platforms? | Mar 21 08:36 |
| leah | separating i386-pc stuff from generic stuff | Mar 21 08:36 |
| leah | and porting it to more platforms | Mar 21 08:36 |
| matey | first time ive heard someone tell me a GOOD reason for grub 2 | Mar 21 08:36 |
| leah | as far as i know, hurd is pretty i386-centric | Mar 21 08:37 |
| leah | and i do mean: i386 | Mar 21 08:37 |
| matey | yeah | Mar 21 08:37 |
| matey | that will be its downfall | Mar 21 08:37 |
| leah | *3*86 | Mar 21 08:37 |
| leah | emphasis on 3 | Mar 21 08:37 |
| matey | understood | Mar 21 08:37 |
| matey | with all the limitations thereof | Mar 21 08:37 |
| leah | damien has changed that | Mar 21 08:37 |
| matey | has he | Mar 21 08:37 |
| leah | did you know: you can boot and use hurd now, on an x200 | Mar 21 08:37 |
| matey | i did not | Mar 21 08:37 |
| leah | i don't document it on libreboot.org | Mar 21 08:37 |
| leah | but you can | Mar 21 08:37 |
| leah | ping damo22 about it on libera irc | Mar 21 08:38 |
| leah | (that's damien) | Mar 21 08:38 |
| matey | we are actually talking more about free software than daemonfc can talk about blacks and mandy | Mar 21 08:38 |
| matey | guinness book here we come | Mar 21 08:38 |
| leah | i saw an interesting video about microkernels recently | Mar 21 08:38 |
| leah | let me see if i can find it | Mar 21 08:39 |
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| matey | was it produced on 8mm film? | Mar 21 08:39 |
| leah | ok well, look up "hubris kernel" by 0xide | Mar 21 08:39 |
| matey | will do | Mar 21 08:39 |
| matey | love the name | Mar 21 08:40 |
| leah | and here is the video: | Mar 21 08:40 |
| leah | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cypmufnPfLw | Mar 21 08:40 |
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| matey | awesome, thanks | Mar 21 08:40 |
| leah | 2000 sloc | Mar 21 08:40 |
| leah | that's what they say, in the video | Mar 21 08:41 |
| matey | unreal | Mar 21 08:41 |
| leah | i haven't looked at the software itself, i've only read about it and watched that video | Mar 21 08:41 |
| leah | tiny, tiny kernel | Mar 21 08:41 |
| matey | asm or c? | Mar 21 08:41 |
| leah | haven't checked | Mar 21 08:41 |
| matey | ill do it | Mar 21 08:41 |
| leah | if it's 2000, probably not asm | Mar 21 08:41 |
| leah | they mention C in the video | Mar 21 08:42 |
| leah | though | Mar 21 08:42 |
| leah | i think they use rust? | Mar 21 08:42 |
| leah | idk, feel free to look into it yourself | Mar 21 08:42 |
| matey | aww no | Mar 21 08:42 |
| leah | i need to... get back to the thing i should have been doing for the last 12 hours | Mar 21 08:42 |
| matey | good luck | Mar 21 08:42 |
| leah | that irc has been distracting me from | Mar 21 08:42 |
| matey | yeah but | Mar 21 08:42 |
| matey | it was really cool, thank you | Mar 21 08:42 |
| leah | you know the jealous girlfriend meme? | Mar 21 08:42 |
| matey | yeah ive used it | Mar 21 08:42 |
| leah | well, i think they called it the distracted boyfriend meme | Mar 21 08:42 |
| matey | yes thats the one | Mar 21 08:43 |
| leah | yeah i'm like that | Mar 21 08:43 |
| leah | real work is the girlfriend | Mar 21 08:43 |
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| leah | irc is the hot lady | Mar 21 08:43 |
| matey | heh | Mar 21 08:43 |
| leah | and i'm the distracted one | Mar 21 08:43 |
| matey | cheers | Mar 21 08:43 |
| leah | ;) | Mar 21 08:43 |
| leah | see you later | Mar 21 08:43 |
| leah | i'm definitely rebooking a few shipments for tomorrow probably | Mar 21 08:44 |
| leah | every friday, i'm like: weekend! more time to do work | Mar 21 08:44 |
| leah | also friday, and weekend: everyone on irc pings me | Mar 21 08:44 |
| leah | monday: zero work performed during weekend | Mar 21 08:44 |
| leah | always zero | Mar 21 08:44 |
| matey | you should move your week 2 or 3 days forward | Mar 21 08:44 |
| matey | like daylight savings | Mar 21 08:44 |
| matey | its wednesday! | Mar 21 08:44 |
| leah | i need to delete weechat | Mar 21 08:44 |
| leah | and never come back to irc | Mar 21 08:45 |
| matey | that might also work | Mar 21 08:45 |
| leah | and just keep myself logged in with a bouncer | Mar 21 08:45 |
| leah | that auto-responds with an AI | Mar 21 08:45 |
| leah | that i still get distracted writing for the next 6 months | Mar 21 08:45 |
| matey | vrms, meet vleah | Mar 21 08:45 |
| leah | so you see my problem | Mar 21 08:45 |
| matey | yeah its recursive | Mar 21 08:45 |
| leah | my time is cake | Mar 21 08:45 |
| matey | so youre like the distracted boyfriend meme | Mar 21 08:45 |
| leah | and i get none of it | Mar 21 08:45 |
| matey | but off into the distance like an old journey music video (i think queen as well) | Mar 21 08:46 |
| techrights-news | "Why GNOME 42 is the release we’ve all been waiting for. Plus, we attempt to install Linux on an M1 MacBook live on the show." https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/147962/it-went-real-bad-linux-unplugged-450/ | Mar 21 08:46 |
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| matey | leah, personal question | Mar 21 08:46 |
| matey | any autism spectrum? | Mar 21 08:46 |
| matey | little bit? | Mar 21 08:46 |
| matey | you can ignore that | Mar 21 08:47 |
| matey | only curious | Mar 21 08:47 |
| matey | /me isnt sure it doesnt apply a little bit to all geniuses (in a loose and undiagnosable, non-medical-industrial way) anyway | Mar 21 08:49 |
| techrights-news | My favorite Linux top command options • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162794 | Mar 21 08:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | My favorite Linux top command options | Tux Machines | Mar 21 08:49 | |
| techrights-news | Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162795 | Mar 21 08:49 |
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| matey | condition: genius; side effects: you already know | Mar 21 08:50 |
| techrights-news | Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to Google Keep • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162796 | Mar 21 08:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to Google Keep | Tux Machines | Mar 21 08:50 | |
| techrights-news | Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE) 5 is Here with Debian 11 ‘Bullseye’ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162666#comment-33128 | Mar 21 08:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LMDE (Linux Mint Debian Edition) 5 “Elsie” Is Now Available for Download | Tux Machines | Mar 21 08:51 | |
| leah | matey: definitely autistic spectrum. with a touch of anti-social ;) | Mar 21 08:53 |
| matey | cheers | Mar 21 08:53 |
| leah | and i've now answered emails | Mar 21 08:53 |
| leah | my daily worklist is very strict. and i've a pile of machines that just need packing. i'll go afk now and do that | Mar 21 08:54 |
| leah | matey: i'm diagnosed as autistic | Mar 21 08:54 |
| leah | nhs diagnosis in the uk. i was diagnosed as an adult, and went there on a whim just to confirm. the lady said i'm "very clearly" autistic | Mar 21 08:54 |
| matey | dont take it the wrong way if i feel a little like i talked to rms today | Mar 21 08:54 |
| matey | its not 1:1 the same | Mar 21 08:54 |
| leah | the point is well taken, and i'm not insulted | Mar 21 08:54 |
| leah | i'm honoured that you would compare me to him | Mar 21 08:55 |
| matey | and i dont mean because youre both on the spectrum either | Mar 21 08:55 |
| matey | well i mean it | Mar 21 08:55 |
| matey | we need more people like him | Mar 21 08:55 |
| leah | i've expressed major disagreement with his positions, in a modern context | Mar 21 08:55 |
| matey | i can count them on my hand right now | Mar 21 08:55 |
| leah | however, rms was my main inspiration in early days | Mar 21 08:55 |
| leah | and i still greatly respect him | Mar 21 08:55 |
| matey | if rms knew the things you did-- and he knows plenty, but different area | Mar 21 08:55 |
| matey | he would be VERY frustrated with his positions (that he has now) | Mar 21 08:55 |
| leah | matey: people have said the same, before | Mar 21 08:55 |
| techrights-news | LibrePlanet 2019 photo https://media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/m/computer-components-closeup/ | Mar 21 08:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-media.libreplanet.org | Computer components closeup — GNU MediaGoblin | Mar 21 08:56 | |
| leah | my brainwave patterns are very similar to his. we think similarly, but we have differing positions in key areas | Mar 21 08:56 |
| matey | yeah but | Mar 21 08:56 |
| matey | this is something ive been weighing, carefully, for quite a while | Mar 21 08:56 |
| matey | and i was on the fence | Mar 21 08:56 |
| matey | but im pretty confident about it now | Mar 21 08:56 |
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| matey | we need more of him | Mar 21 08:56 |
| matey | ive got another one im thinking of too | Mar 21 08:56 |
| leah | respect the mission, not the man | Mar 21 08:57 |
| matey | well i respect both | Mar 21 08:57 |
| leah | i say that about myself too | Mar 21 08:57 |
| matey | but i wont kiss anyones arse for being wrong | Mar 21 08:57 |
| leah | (though i'm not a man) | Mar 21 08:57 |
| matey | not even a hero | Mar 21 08:57 |
| leah | btw | Mar 21 08:57 |
| leah | rms has never said he's autistic | Mar 21 08:57 |
| leah | but he does show clear signs of autism | Mar 21 08:58 |
| matey | no, i read his bio-- i know what he said | Mar 21 08:58 |
| matey | if rms isnt autistic they might as well throw asd out an start over | Mar 21 08:58 |
| leah | i think what you've picked up on is that rms is a very "forceful" person | Mar 21 08:58 |
| matey | no, i know more about autism than stereotypes | Mar 21 08:58 |
| matey | but he is very stubborn, thats a fact | Mar 21 08:58 |
| leah | i think you've contributed a lot to today's discussions also | Mar 21 08:59 |
| leah | you have a keen intellect and an ability to get to the heart of the matter | Mar 21 08:59 |
| matey | i am flattered | Mar 21 08:59 |
| matey | truly | Mar 21 09:00 |
| leah | anyway | Mar 21 09:00 |
| leah | laters | Mar 21 09:00 |
| matey | to work! | Mar 21 09:00 |
| leah | to bed | Mar 21 09:00 |
| matey | fair enough | Mar 21 09:00 |
| matey | o/ | Mar 21 09:00 |
| leah | just gonna pack stuff i did on friday night | Mar 21 09:01 |
| leah | my roommate will answer the door when ups comes | Mar 21 09:01 |
| techrights-news | Linux 5.17 release – Main changes, Arm, RISC-V, and MIPS architectures http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162775#comment-33130 | Mar 21 09:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Kernel 5.17 Officially Released, This Is What’s New | Tux Machines | Mar 21 09:01 | |
| leah | got like 3 not done. 10 that are done. just gonna pack and label them now. then i will nap | Mar 21 09:01 |
| matey | what are the odds that osboot bricks my asus mobo from a few years ago | Mar 21 09:01 |
| matey | because i dont know wtf im doing | Mar 21 09:01 |
| leah | 100%, unless it's supported by coreboot | Mar 21 09:01 |
| leah | if supported, just add it to osboot | Mar 21 09:02 |
| matey | good to know | Mar 21 09:02 |
| leah | see: https://osboot.org/docs/maintain/ | Mar 21 09:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-osboot.org | osboot – osbmk maintenance manual | Mar 21 09:02 | |
| matey | its too ambitious for me to try... real soon | Mar 21 09:02 |
| leah | if coreboot supports it, it's easy to just add a config to the osboot build system, named osbmk | Mar 21 09:02 |
| leah | that documented i linked explains how | Mar 21 09:02 |
| matey | thank you | Mar 21 09:02 |
| leah | osboot is to coreboot what alpine is to linux: | Mar 21 09:02 |
| leah | a distribution | Mar 21 09:02 |
| leah | in this case, written in bash | Mar 21 09:02 |
| matey | cool | Mar 21 09:02 |
| leah | for reals | Mar 21 09:02 |
| leah | have fun! | Mar 21 09:02 |
| matey | o/ | Mar 21 09:02 |
| leah | like most of the work on osboot/libreboot is integration and automation | Mar 21 09:03 |
| leah | it's an automated build system around coreboot, grub, seabios etc | Mar 21 09:03 |
| matey | /me does this too, all the time | Mar 21 09:03 |
| leah | that just packs everything together in a boringly uniform way | Mar 21 09:03 |
| leah | with an illegally cute logo added on top | Mar 21 09:03 |
| leah | that logo is a killer | Mar 21 09:04 |
| leah | killer of gloom | Mar 21 09:04 |
| matey | its a killer feature | Mar 21 09:04 |
| leah | anyone who looks at it will feel better | Mar 21 09:04 |
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| matey | i want it on my screen | Mar 21 09:04 |
| matey | i mean not as a jpg | Mar 21 09:04 |
| leah | it's a png | Mar 21 09:04 |
| matey | it was on my screen earlier | Mar 21 09:04 |
| matey | well if you png encoded that photo that was silly | Mar 21 09:04 |
| matey | but i know you mean in the distribution | Mar 21 09:04 |
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| leah | one moment | Mar 21 09:04 |
| leah | https://av.osboot.org/logo/ | Mar 21 09:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-av.osboot.org | Index of /logo/ | Mar 21 09:05 | |
| leah | here you go | Mar 21 09:05 |
| matey | thank you | Mar 21 09:05 |
| leah | it's there. have fun! | Mar 21 09:05 |
| matey | night | Mar 21 09:05 |
| leah | print it and plasticize it. and epoxy it to your car, as a bumper sticker | Mar 21 09:05 |
| matey | ill tattoo it on my butt | Mar 21 09:05 |
| leah | well i wouldn't go that far | Mar 21 09:05 |
| matey | i thought about doing that with debian, im glad i didnt | Mar 21 09:06 |
| leah | i'll make a sticker design based off it | Mar 21 09:06 |
| matey | i wouldve gone for the shoulder though | Mar 21 09:06 |
| leah | and take it to the printers. there's a good print shop in my town | Mar 21 09:06 |
| leah | gonna make some cute stickers | Mar 21 09:06 |
| matey | theres one here too | Mar 21 09:06 |
| leah | that logo is a virus for your brin | Mar 21 09:06 |
| leah | for your brain* | Mar 21 09:06 |
| leah | s/brin/brain | Mar 21 09:06 |
| leah | it gets in your brain, and never leaves | Mar 21 09:06 |
| leah | you will remember it forever | Mar 21 09:06 |
| matey | see it when you close your eyes | Mar 21 09:07 |
| leah | i wanna make an ascii version | Mar 21 09:07 |
| techrights-news | To Pay or Not to Pay? That is the Ransomware question | Pen Test Partners ⚓ https://www.pentestpartners.com/security-blog/to-pay-or-not-to-pay-that-is-the-ransomware-question/ http://techrights.org/2021/05/02/ransomware-task-force/ | Mar 21 09:07 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft-Centric “Ransomware Task Force” | Techrights | Mar 21 09:07 | |
| leah | osboot has text mode support | Mar 21 09:07 |
| leah | text mode start up | Mar 21 09:07 |
| leah | 80x50 characters | Mar 21 09:07 |
| leah | i wanna make a purple coloured text mode console | Mar 21 09:07 |
| leah | with grey characters. with that logo | Mar 21 09:07 |
| leah | ascii-style | Mar 21 09:07 |
| matey | 80x50 you can just use background colour | Mar 21 09:07 |
| leah | and put it on a crt monitor | Mar 21 09:07 |
| matey | you dont even need characters per se | Mar 21 09:08 |
| leah | hooked up to an x200 | Mar 21 09:08 |
| leah | for meme purposes | Mar 21 09:08 |
| leah | i'm going to do it | Mar 21 09:08 |
| leah | you can't stop me :P | Mar 21 09:08 |
| matey | ill try to stop you a little, just so you can fight it | Mar 21 09:08 |
| techrights-news | Asahi Linux reaches 'very early Alpha' http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162724#comment-33131 | Mar 21 09:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The first Asahi Linux Alpha Release is here! | Tux Machines | Mar 21 09:09 | |
| techrights-news | Google #Android Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162797 | Mar 21 09:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Mar 21 09:09 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developers.redhat.com | Hello Podman using .NET | Red Hat Developer | Mar 21 09:11 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] IBM: FSF Bad, Microsoft Good | Techrights | Mar 21 09:11 | |
| techrights-news | Filipe Rosset: Fedora rawhide – fixed bugs 2021/10 https://ro7bit.wordpress.com/2022/03/21/fedora-rawhide-fixed-bugs-2021-10/ | Mar 21 09:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ro7bit.wordpress.com | Fedora rawhide – fixed bugs 2021/10 – ::: ro7bit ::: | Mar 21 09:12 | |
| techrights-news | Fedora Workstation’s State of Gaming - A Case Study of Control (2019) - Fedora Magazine ⚓ https://fedoramagazine.org/fedora-workstations-state-of-gaming/ | Mar 21 09:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoramagazine.org | Fedora Workstation's State of Gaming - A Case Study of Control (2019) - Fedora Magazine | Mar 21 09:13 | |
| techrights-news | ICBM keeps pushing complexity as "transformation" https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/3/digital-transformation-10-reasons-your-it-initiatives-fail | Mar 21 09:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-enterprisersproject.com | Digital transformation: 10 reasons your IT initiatives fail | The Enterprisers Project | Mar 21 09:14 | |
| techrights-news | "It’s “new” – or newer, at least – in terms of containerization, Kubernetes, infrastructure as code, security automation, robotic process automation (RPA), and the vast landscape of cloud-native tooling." BUZZWORD SALAD. https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/3/advance-automation-journey-tips | Mar 21 09:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-enterprisersproject.com | Automation: 5 expert tips to advance your journey | The Enterprisers Project | Mar 21 09:14 | |
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| techrights-news | "It would be foolish to say that Matthew Miller or Red Hat ordered these trolls to engage like this. On the other hand, this campaign of harassment did not arise spontaneously. Red Hat Linux is one of the oldest and most respected Linux distributions." https://danielpocock.com/red-hat-linux-harassment-war-graves/ | Mar 21 09:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-danielpocock.com | Red Hat, Linux, Harassment and War Graves | Mar 21 09:20 | |
| techrights-news | #HowTo Install Linux Kernel 5.17 on Ubuntu 21.10 • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162798 | Mar 21 09:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to Install Linux Kernel 5.17 on Ubuntu 21.10 | Tux Machines | Mar 21 09:24 | |
| techrights-news | IBM/Red Hat/Fedora Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162799 | Mar 21 09:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IBM/Red Hat/Fedora Leftovers | Tux Machines | Mar 21 09:25 | |
| techrights-news | How to Install Linux Kernel 5.17 on Ubuntu / Linux Mint http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162798#comment-33132 | Mar 21 09:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to Install Linux Kernel 5.17 on Ubuntu 21.10 | Tux Machines | Mar 21 09:27 | |
| techrights-news | i hate dealing with proprietary software gemini://nytpu.com/gemlog/2020-11-22.gmi | Mar 21 09:30 |
| techrights-news | LibrePlanet 2022: The Net beyond the web https://kelar.org/~bandali/talks/libreplanet-2022-net-beyond-web.txt gopher://kelar.org/0/~bandali/talks/libreplanet-2022-net-beyond-web.txt | Mar 21 09:31 |
| techrights-news | ICBM spin for unstable release https://opensource.com/article/22/3/upstream-first-or-path-lifting-property-covering-space | Mar 21 09:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Upstream first or the path lifting property of a covering space | Opensource.com | Mar 21 09:38 | |
| techrights-news | 20+ years of Emacs • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162800 | Mar 21 09:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 20+ years of Emacs | Tux Machines | Mar 21 09:39 | |
| techrights-news | "Our story this week comes from "Ivor" courtesy of his experience with punched cards and the IBM System/360 Model 40." https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/21/who_me/ | Mar 21 09:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Potty-mouthed System/360 fix revealed to all and sundry • The Register | Mar 21 09:39 | |
| techrights-news | "Working for a famous tech company, I get asked a lot "Why don't you use technology X?" X may be an application, programming language, operating system, hypervisor, processor, or tool." https://www.brendangregg.com/blog/2022-03-19/why-dont-you-use.html | Mar 21 09:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.brendangregg.com | Why Don't You Use ... | Mar 21 09:43 | |
| techrights-news | External dual-head is better and cheaper https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/21/asus_zenbook_pro_duo_ux582_review/ "The same job in an Ubuntu VM under VMware Workstation required 7:54 to finish the job" | Mar 21 09:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Review: ASUS dual-screen laptop • The Register | Mar 21 09:45 | |
| techrights-news | Gobby - a Collaborative Text Editor for Ubuntu Linux • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162801 | Mar 21 09:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Gobby - a Collaborative Text Editor for Ubuntu Linux | Tux Machines | Mar 21 09:45 | |
| techrights-news | "Indian IT services giant HCL Technologies has told India's Labour Commissioner that its controversial decision to recover bonuses paid to staff who later resigned was not illegal." https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/21/hcl_defends_bonus_clawbacks/ http://techrights.org/2009/04/10/microsoft-sails-overseas/ https://techrights.org/2008/04/13/cult-of-get-then-while-young/ | Mar 21 09:47 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | HCL responds to India’s labor office regarding bonus clawbac • The Register | Mar 21 09:47 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Finds Cost-Cutting Measures: Moves Overseas | Techrights | Mar 21 09:47 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Reaches Out to Children and Young Adults Again | Techrights | Mar 21 09:47 | |
| techrights-news | 2.5 weeks ago I quit Twitter; if I log in (not even posting anything), this is what I get http://techrights.org/2022/03/21/ukraine-in-twitter/ | Mar 21 09:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Twitter: We’re Actually a News Site, Follow These ‘Tweets’ and Twits | Techrights | Mar 21 09:49 | |
| techrights-news | The EPO strike is now 25 hours away; workers of the EPO should prioritise solidarity over short-term safety (blind obedience) as the future of Europe (and of science in general) is at stake http://techrights.org/2022/03/21/joining-epo-strike/ | Mar 21 09:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Join the EPO Strike | Techrights | Mar 21 09:49 | |
| techrights-news | As we expected throughout this past week, not a single site has mentioned the EPO’s strike except SUEPO and the European Federation of Public Service Unions (EPSU) and it’s part of a long-lasting pattern of what we’re calling the “EPO Media Blackout” http://techrights.org/2022/03/21/the-patent-distortion-part-6/ | Mar 21 09:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Patent Distortion: 7 Days of News and Blogs, Not a Single Mention of EPO Affairs | Techrights | Mar 21 09:50 | |
| schestowitz | does anyone know when fsf releases libreplanet videos? | Mar 21 09:53 |
| schestowitz | https://framatube.org/a/fsf/videos | Mar 21 09:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-framatube.org | Free Software Foundation - Framatube | Mar 21 09:54 | |
| schestowitz | 2021 | Mar 21 09:54 |
| schestowitz | https://framatube.org/w/vxfRTW1mCXAm4yr7oK3ToS | Mar 21 09:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-framatube.org | FS Awards Ceremony - Framatube | Mar 21 09:55 | |
| schestowitz | 11 months, 13 views | Mar 21 09:55 |
| schestowitz | a view a month for SFC | Mar 21 09:55 |
| techrights-news | fscrypt updates for 5.18 https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/YjgEC8Nw9PDmdY0O@sol.localdomain/ | Mar 21 09:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lore.kernel.org | [GIT PULL] fscrypt updates for 5.18 - Eric Biggers | Mar 21 09:55 | |
| techrights-news | You can use Markdown to format your post | Mar 21 09:58 |
| techrights-news | Linux 5.17 is out now with new AMD P-State driver http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162775#comment-33134 | Mar 21 09:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Kernel 5.17 Officially Released, This Is What’s New | Tux Machines | Mar 21 09:58 | |
| techrights-news | Delete Windows. It harms your brain. https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/21/file_explorer_fiasco_column/ | Mar 21 09:59 |
| -altlink_587/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: theregister.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/21/file_explorer_fiasco_column/ | Mar 21 09:59 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | File Explorer fiasco: Why did they build it then? • The Register | Mar 21 09:59 | |
| techrights-news | Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162802 | Mar 21 10:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Mar 21 10:03 | |
| techrights-news | Here's the first Linux distro made for Apple M1 systems http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162724#comment-33135 | Mar 21 10:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The first Asahi Linux Alpha Release is here! | Tux Machines | Mar 21 10:03 | |
| techrights-news | 20 Open-source, free LaTeX and TeX editors and IDEs for Windows, Linux, macOS, and the Web. • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162803 | Mar 21 10:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 20 Open-source, free LaTeX and TeX editors and IDEs for Windows, Linux, macOS, and the Web. | Tux Machines | Mar 21 10:06 | |
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| techrights-news | "The Western world is debating whether permitting Putin to retain some of the territory he has seized would "be like the 1938 appeasement of Hitler by British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain," Barrett said." https://text.npr.org/1086709135 | Mar 21 10:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-text.npr.org | The war in Ukraine has reintroduced these words and phrases into our vocabulary | Mar 21 10:08 | |
| -altlink_587/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: npr.org | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://text.npr.org/1086709135 | Mar 21 10:08 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: this mentions "Putler" | Mar 21 10:08 |
| schestowitz | where did you first see it? | Mar 21 10:09 |
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| techrights-news | Linux Mint Debian Edition 5 is out now http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162724#comment-33137 | Mar 21 10:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The first Asahi Linux Alpha Release is here! | Tux Machines | Mar 21 10:12 | |
| techrights-news | "how websites looked back then, fast-forwarding to the present day and the sad current state of the web, and some possibilities on where we could go from here if we would like to have a better net/web in the future for user freedom, privacy, and control." https://kelar.org/~bandali/talks/libreplanet-2022-net-beyond-web.txt | Mar 21 10:15 |
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| techrights-news | EPO is ’Hiding’ €4.9 Billion and President “Campinos Has Decided to Freeze the Salaries of All Staff and to Deprive at least 40% of Them of Any Career Progression” | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/03/21/plundering-epo-staff-during-high-inflation/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/21/plundering-epo-staff-during-high-inflation/ | Mar 21 11:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO is ‘Hiding’ €4.9 Billion and President “Campinos Has Decided to Freeze the Salaries of All Staff and to Deprive at least 40% of Them of Any Career Progression” | Techrights | Mar 21 11:39 | |
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| techrights-news | LibrePlanet Featuring Gemini and Geminispace for 2 Years in a Row | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/03/21/bandali-geminispace-and-gopher/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/21/bandali-geminispace-and-gopher/ | Mar 21 12:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | LibrePlanet Featuring Gemini and Geminispace for 2 Years in a Row | Techrights | Mar 21 12:02 | |
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| matey | https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/libreplanet-living-liberation-day-two-retrospective-and-motivation-for-freedom "RMS's address will be entitled "The State of the Free Software Movement," and will be held by the FSF on April 13 at 14:00 EDT (18:00 UTC)." | Mar 21 12:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | LibrePlanet: "Living Liberation" Day two retrospective, and motivation for freedom — Free Software Foundation — Working together for free software | Mar 21 12:02 | |
| schestowitz-TR | good sign | Mar 21 12:03 |
| matey | i am braced for disappointment, but even with low expectations i will be watching for more information | Mar 21 12:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe to dispell rumours they gag him | Mar 21 12:03 |
| matey | i believe its stockholm syndrome | Mar 21 12:03 |
| matey | leah is right about the relevance of free software. it is threatened. though for the very same reason that free hardware has to have its own movement-- free software will need to be supported (most likely by its own movement) too | Mar 21 12:04 |
| matey | free software does a terrible job of representing free hardware. it doesnt have to, but it does. | Mar 21 12:04 |
| matey | free hardware could be full of people that actually say "it doesnt matter if your software is free as long as you control the hardware" which i do not agree with | Mar 21 12:05 |
| matey | its really not an implausible scenario at all | Mar 21 12:05 |
| matey | though im sure that wont be the official position of free hardware | Mar 21 12:05 |
| matey | also free hardware is going to take years to have the same level of clout or awareness, because how many people will actually have a homemade cpu in 5 years | Mar 21 12:06 |
| activelow | CPU, Networking, Peripheral I/O | Mar 21 12:07 |
| matey | it will be interesting to see what rms says about the state of free software | Mar 21 12:07 |
| matey | after all, he created the thing | Mar 21 12:07 |
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| techrights-news | http://techrights.org/2022/03/21/putin-loves-windows/ | Mar 21 12:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Putin’s Russia Loves It When Its Enemies Use Microsoft Windows | Techrights | Mar 21 12:22 | |
| techrights-news | Putin’s Russia Loves It When Its Enemies Use Microsoft Windows | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/03/21/putin-loves-windows/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/21/putin-loves-windows/ | Mar 21 12:23 |
| techrights-news | [Meme] EPO Even Attacks Its Pensioners | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/03/21/campinos-vs-pensioners/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/21/campinos-vs-pensioners/ | Mar 21 12:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] EPO Even Attacks Its Pensioners | Techrights | Mar 21 12:49 | |
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| techrights-news | Social Control Media Double Standards: Killing is OK (If It’s Profitable to the Platform Owner) | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/03/21/gafam-double-standards/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/21/gafam-double-standards/ | Mar 21 13:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Social Control Media Double Standards: Killing is OK (If It’s Profitable to the Platform Owner) | Techrights | Mar 21 13:06 | |
| techrights-news | [Meme] American Clown Computing in Action: Russia Doesn’t Need to Bomb Cell Towers in Mariupol When Gulag (Google) Disconnects Citizens of Mariupol | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/03/21/clown-computing-reality/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/21/clown-computing-reality/ | Mar 21 13:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] American Clown Computing in Action: Russia Doesn’t Need to Bomb Cell Towers in Mariupol When Gulag (Google) Disconnects Citizens of Mariupol | Techrights | Mar 21 13:26 | |
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| schestowitz | RMS and LXO https://media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/m/libreplanet-2016-fork-the | Mar 21 13:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 308 @ https://media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/m/libreplanet-2016-fork-the ) | Mar 21 13:34 | |
| schestowitz | https://media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/m/decentralizing-the-internet-with-freedombox/ | Mar 21 13:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-media.libreplanet.org | Decentralizing the Internet with FreedomBox — GNU MediaGoblin | Mar 21 13:36 | |
| schestowitz | https://media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/m/fsf-at-30/ | Mar 21 13:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-media.libreplanet.org | FSF at 30: history of free software — GNU MediaGoblin | Mar 21 13:37 | |
| schestowitz | CC | Mar 21 13:37 |
| schestowitz | https://media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/m/the-singularity-the-matrix-and-the-terminator-86e0/ | Mar 21 13:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-media.libreplanet.org | The Singularity, the Matrix, and the Terminator — GNU MediaGoblin | Mar 21 13:39 | |
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| techrights-news | Today in #Techrights • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162804 | Mar 21 13:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Mar 21 13:55 | |
| techrights-news | Microbel shilling Microsoft and his sponsor, AMD https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd-milanx-hbv3&num=1 that's why I cannot accept Phoronix anymore http://techrights.org/2021/04/20/phoronix-and-microsoft/ | Mar 21 13:57 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-AMD Milan-X Upgrade In The Cloud Makes Microsoft Azure HBv3 Very Compelling For HPC Review - Phoronix | Mar 21 13:57 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Phoronix Needs to Exercise Caution and Stay Vigilant/Careful of Microsoft | Techrights | Mar 21 13:57 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | When Blogs Become Marketing and Benchmarks Become Product Promotions | Techrights | Mar 21 13:57 | |
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| techrights-news | Richard Stallman on Why Sites With Clownflare (Cloudflare) Harm Freedom and Human Rights | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/03/21/rms-vs-clownflare/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/21/rms-vs-clownflare/ | Mar 21 14:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Richard Stallman on Why Sites With Clownflare (Cloudflare) Harm Freedom and Human Rights | Techrights | Mar 21 14:02 | |
| techrights-news | The worst things about iPad OS gemini://idiomdrottning.org/ios | Mar 21 14:05 |
| techrights-news | DDoS in techrights. Weird. Same page requested 6,000+ times in less than a minute. | Mar 21 14:07 |
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| techrights-news | A Musical Story is a very unique rhythm game with plenty of soul | GamingOnLinux ⚓ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/a-musical-story-is-a-very-unique-rhythm-game-with-plenty-of-soul | Mar 21 14:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A Musical Story is a very unique rhythm game with plenty of soul | GamingOnLinux | Mar 21 14:09 | |
| techrights-news | Phoronix's Microbel: I take money from companies other than Microsoft (which I take gifts from) but since they're Microsoft partners I end up shilling Microsoft | Mar 21 14:10 |
| techrights-news | "Oh good, another fantastic looking pixel-art life sim to suck away my time. Kynseed from PixelCount Studios has a Beta available on Steam for better Steam Deck support" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/sandbox-life-sim-rpg-kynseed-gets-a-beta-for-improved-steam-deck-support/ | Mar 21 14:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Sandbox life sim RPG 'Kynseed' gets a Beta for improved Steam Deck support | GamingOnLinux | Mar 21 14:11 | |
| techrights-news | "There's a new Ubuntu logo and I think it looks awful. AMD FSR 2.0 is announced! Plus, a major kernel exploits affects all Linux devices--including ANDROID!" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=9C6YAtVB-1I | Mar 21 14:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Reacting to Ubuntu's new logo, major kernel exploits, and other Linux news. - Invidious | Mar 21 14:12 | |
| techrights-news | "Want to play Phasmophobia on a Linux desktop or Steam Deck? Well, it still doesn't yet work fully as the voice recognition isn't there but support for it is coming thanks to the Wine team." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/wine-and-proton-have-a-curious-case-of-phasmophobia/ | Mar 21 14:13 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Wine and Proton have a 'Curious Case of Phasmophobia' | GamingOnLinux | Mar 21 14:13 | |
| techrights-news | "Developer Ariel Jurkowski emailed in about their upcoming game Please Fix The Road, a puzzle game all about fixing up the roads and it really does look quite wonderful. The developer also confirmed full Linux support at release." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/please-fix-the-road-is-a-gorgeous-upcoming-puzzle-game | Mar 21 14:14 |
| -altlink_587/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/please-fix-the-road-is-a-gorgeous-upcoming-puzzle-game | Mar 21 14:14 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Please Fix The Road is a gorgeous upcoming puzzle game | GamingOnLinux | Mar 21 14:14 | |
| techrights-news | The EPO‘s Benoît Battistelli and António Campinos have both crushed staff such as patent examiners, putting them on time-limited contracts with decreasing salaries while compelling them to grant lots of bogus European Patents, including software patents; no wonder the staff goes on strike! http://techrights.org/2022/03/21/plundering-epo-staff-during-high-inflation/ | Mar 21 14:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO is ‘Hiding’ €4.9 Billion and President “Campinos Has Decided to Freeze the Salaries of All Staff and to Deprive at least 40% of Them of Any Career Progression” | Techrights | Mar 21 14:16 | |
| techrights-news | The GNU maintainer of Jami, GNUzilla and IceCat says there are “some possibilities on where we could go from here if we would like to have a better net/web in the future for user freedom, privacy, and control.” http://techrights.org/2022/03/21/bandali-geminispace-and-gopher/ | Mar 21 14:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | LibrePlanet Featuring Gemini and Geminispace for 2 Years in a Row | Techrights | Mar 21 14:16 | |
| techrights-news | Putin’s Russia is taking advantage of Microsoft’s products being unsafe by design http://techrights.org/2022/03/21/putin-loves-windows/ | Mar 21 14:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Putin’s Russia Loves It When Its Enemies Use Microsoft Windows | Techrights | Mar 21 14:17 | |
| techrights-news | EPO workers who go on strike tomorrow are also helping those who cannot go on strike (but are similarly suffering from António Campinos) http://techrights.org/2022/03/21/campinos-vs-pensioners/ | Mar 21 14:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] EPO Even Attacks Its Pensioners | Techrights | Mar 21 14:17 | |
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| techrights-news | Now that Twitter profits from conflict, Facebook allows people to call for deaths of people, and Google (Gulag) profits from assassination based on algorithms (“Hey Hi”) we need to highlight the extraordinary degree of hypocrisy http://techrights.org/2022/03/21/gafam-double-standards/ | Mar 21 14:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Social Control Media Double Standards: Killing is OK (If It’s Profitable to the Platform Owner) | Techrights | Mar 21 14:17 | |
| techrights-news | The real risks associated with Clown Computing are becoming ever more apparent; years ago in Venezuela and now in Russia or Ukraine (Gulag cannot even distinguish!); these are the sorts of companies that have taken over “Open Source” and are basically normalising crimes against humanity http://techrights.org/2022/03/21/clown-computing-reality/ | Mar 21 14:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] American Clown Computing in Action: Russia Doesn’t Need to Bomb Cell Towers in Mariupol When Gulag (Google) Disconnects Citizens of Mariupol | Techrights | Mar 21 14:18 | |
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| techrights-news | Richard M. Stallman (RMS) spoke on the matter half a decade ago (he covered many other issues) http://techrights.org/2022/03/21/rms-vs-clownflare/ | Mar 21 14:18 |
| techrights-news | Games: A Musical Story, Please Fix The Road, Kynseed, and Phasmophobia • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162805 | Mar 21 14:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: A Musical Story, Please Fix The Road, Kynseed, and Phasmophobia | Tux Machines | Mar 21 14:18 | |
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| batalie | speaking of rms, fsf announced an rms talk for april 13 | Mar 21 14:26 |
| batalie | don't remember the time | Mar 21 14:27 |
| batalie | end of lp | Mar 21 14:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | yup: | Mar 21 14:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | [12:02] <matey> https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/libreplanet-living-liberation-day-two-retrospective-and-motivation-for-freedom "RMS's address will be entitled "The State of the Free Software Movement," and will be held by the FSF on April 13 at 14:00 EDT (18:00 UTC)." | Mar 21 14:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | LibrePlanet: "Living Liberation" Day two retrospective, and motivation for freedom — Free Software Foundation — Working together for free software | Mar 21 14:32 | |
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| schestowitz-TR | ciphrCat: | Mar 21 14:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | http://techrights.org/2022/03/21/rms-vs-clownflare/ | Mar 21 14:33 |
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| techrights-news | Linux 5.17 arrives: Here's what's inside http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162775#comment-33138 | Mar 21 14:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Kernel 5.17 Officially Released, This Is What’s New | Tux Machines | Mar 21 14:58 | |
| AdmFubar | https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/microsoft-investigating-claims-of-hacked-source-code-repositories/ | Mar 21 15:01 |
| -altlink_587/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: bleepingcomputer.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/microsoft-investigating-claims-of-hacked-source-code-repositories/ | Mar 21 15:01 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | Microsoft investigating claims of hacked source code repositories | Mar 21 15:01 | |
| MinceR | 21 110913 <~schestowitz> where did you first see it? | Mar 21 15:03 |
| MinceR | probably on wikipedia | Mar 21 15:03 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Putler | Mar 21 15:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Putler - Wikipedia | Mar 21 15:03 | |
| techrights-news | Linux Mint Debian Edition 5 is now available http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162666#comment-33139 | Mar 21 15:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LMDE (Linux Mint Debian Edition) 5 “Elsie” Is Now Available for Download | Tux Machines | Mar 21 15:04 | |
| schestowitz-TR | AdmFubar: Microsoft is the largest malware distributor | Mar 21 15:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | but it's also market leader in bribing the media | Mar 21 15:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | so the media always blames the recipients of the malware | Mar 21 15:06 |
| MinceR | schestowitz-TR: it's linked from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Putin_khuylo! , which is probably how i found it | Mar 21 15:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Putin khuylo! - Wikipedia | Mar 21 15:06 | |
| techrights-news | Links 21/3/2022: Lots About Kernel, RMS Talk Scheduled for April and | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/03/21/rms-talk-april/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/21/rms-talk-april/ | Mar 21 15:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 21/3/2022: Lots About Kernel, RMS Talk Scheduled for April and | Techrights | Mar 21 15:31 | |
| techrights-news | Proprietary Software and Security Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162806 | Mar 21 15:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Proprietary Software and Security Leftovers | Tux Machines | Mar 21 15:32 | |
| techrights-news | Today’s 𝘛𝘶𝘹 𝘔𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴 Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162807 | Mar 21 15:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Mar 21 15:32 | |
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| techrights_guest|56 | Hello, I just watched the video on pulling in the feed through command line. I was able to pull it in however it does not refresh unless i repaste, which is fine, i was just wondering if the command line can refresh or if it is manual refresh. | Mar 21 15:41 |
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| techrights_guest|56 | i will check back later. | Mar 21 15:47 |
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| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/817639.jpg | Mar 21 15:53 |
| -altlink_587/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: hugelolcdn.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://hugelolcdn.com/i/817639.jpg | Mar 21 15:53 | |
| techrights-news | Sites That Care About GNU/Linux and Users of Free Software Don’t Help Sell Microsoft | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/03/21/selling-microsoft/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/21/selling-microsoft/ | Mar 21 16:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Sites That Care About GNU/Linux and Users of Free Software Don’t Help Sell Microsoft | Techrights | Mar 21 16:05 | |
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| techrights-news | EPO Management Seems to be Resorting to Illegal Union-Busting Tactics, Suppression/Deterrence by List-Making | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/03/21/strike-busting-antonio-campinos/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/21/strike-busting-antonio-campinos/ | Mar 21 16:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO Management Seems to be Resorting to Illegal Union-Busting Tactics, Suppression/Deterrence by List-Making | Techrights | Mar 21 16:35 | |
| MinceR | (cat) https://ircz.de/p/22032121 | Mar 21 16:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living https://0x0.st/oNpb.jpg created on 2022-03-21 05:37:50.773078 | Mar 21 16:50 | |
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| Ariadne | 12:17 PM <XRevan86> Ariadne: Regarding apko, what is the software to run containers that Alpine has in mind? Still podman/Docker? | Mar 21 17:13 |
| Ariadne | whatever you want to use, in kubernetes-land we prefer CRI-o | Mar 21 17:14 |
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| matey | "Sites That Care About GNU/Linux and Users of Free Software Don’t Help Sell Microsoft" | Mar 21 17:17 |
| matey | while rms is talking about the state of free software, perhaps he can name a gnu/linux website that doesnt help sell microsoft | Mar 21 17:18 |
| matey | good luck to him | Mar 21 17:18 |
| Ariadne | what does this even mean | Mar 21 17:18 |
| Ariadne | is he talking about like, phoronix? | Mar 21 17:19 |
| matey | rms is giving a talk on the "state of free software" in april | Mar 21 17:19 |
| matey | lets see | Mar 21 17:19 |
| matey | actually it mentions phoronix | Mar 21 17:19 |
| matey | and cnx | Mar 21 17:20 |
| matey | "No doubt Phoronix is not the biggest problem out there, but it is becoming more problematic over time. It may seem innocent to Michael, but even if he’s shilling Microsoft for his sponsor, AMD, that hurts all of us." | Mar 21 17:20 |
| Ariadne | i'll admit it is a bit off-putting to hear about WSL on Phoronix | Mar 21 17:21 |
| matey | i dont share roys affinity for microbel anyway | Mar 21 17:21 |
| matey | so while the story about the "crate of amds" which i presume to be true IS interesting, it isnt as much of a surprise to me | Mar 21 17:22 |
| XRevan86 | Ariadne: thanks | Mar 21 17:22 |
| matey | i wont say i was expecting it | Mar 21 17:22 |
| matey | "Free software cannot win if proponents of Software Freedom get brainwashed by Microsoft and outsource systems to Microsoft." | Mar 21 17:23 |
| matey | that paints an uncharacteristically bleak picture :) did mincer write it? | Mar 21 17:24 |
| MinceR | no | Mar 21 17:26 |
| Ariadne | https://linuxfoundation.org/blog/statement-against-texas-discrimination/ | Mar 21 17:26 |
| -altlink_587/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: linuxfoundation.org | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxfoundation.org/blog/statement-against-texas-discrimination/ | Mar 21 17:26 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxfoundation.org | STATEMENT AGAINST TEXAS DISCRIMINATION - Linux Foundation | Mar 21 17:26 | |
| matey | no, i was joking because youre the most pessimistic person here | Mar 21 17:26 |
| Ariadne | i mean, they could just | Mar 21 17:26 |
| Ariadne | move their events | Mar 21 17:26 |
| Ariadne | out of texas | Mar 21 17:26 |
| matey | and a lot of your pessimism i agree with (maybe not to exactly the same degree) | Mar 21 17:27 |
| matey | if it were not for your pessimism this place would be even sillier | Mar 21 17:27 |
| Ariadne | i don't really get LF | Mar 21 17:28 |
| Ariadne | lol | Mar 21 17:28 |
| matey | i mean, they could just move their events out of texas <- hehe | Mar 21 17:28 |
| matey | sell their crates of amds to aquaman | Mar 21 17:28 |
| matey | /me figures we are talking about lf now and didnt know they did events in texas | Mar 21 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.reuters.com/technology/china-requires-microsofts-bing-suspend-auto-suggest-feature-2022-03-21/ | Mar 21 17:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-China requires Microsoft's Bing to suspend auto-suggest feature | Reuters | Mar 21 17:29 | |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft censoring even more in China. | Mar 21 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | "Microsoft Corp's (MSFT.O) Bing, the only major foreign search engine available in China" | Mar 21 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | Because they're the only company that worked with the Communist Party to suppress their citizens instead of pulling out of the country. | Mar 21 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | Google used to run the Chinese version in Hong Kong and then left. | Mar 21 17:31 |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.reuters.com/technology/meta-asks-russian-court-dismiss-proceedings-extremism-case-reports-2022-03-21/ | Mar 21 17:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Russia finds Meta guilty of 'extremist activity', says WhatsApp can stay | Reuters | Mar 21 17:32 | |
| DaemonFC | Why can WhatsApp stay if it really does have E2E encryption that isn't backdoored? | Mar 21 17:32 |
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| activelow | matey: responding to "free hardware", to begin with, hardware design requires software | Mar 21 17:37 |
| matey | activelow: im very familiar with your research | Mar 21 17:37 |
| activelow | that's why, i am not too impressed, if some free/open hardware is deployed to Altera(Intel) or Xilinx(AMD) with their tooling | Mar 21 17:37 |
| matey | however, lea.h made points yesterday that actually bring a bit of hope to escaping the cycle of dependency you (perhaps correctly) point out | Mar 21 17:38 |
| matey | if some free/open hardware is deployed to Altera(Intel) or Xilinx(AMD) with their tooling <- i agree | Mar 21 17:38 |
| matey | however, if its possible to escape both at once, there is hope | Mar 21 17:38 |
| matey | you talk about nasa and old intel chips | Mar 21 17:39 |
| matey | what your research shows, if anything, is that the cycle of dependency may not be able to break with the existing brands | Mar 21 17:39 |
| matey | able to be broken ^ | Mar 21 17:39 |
| matey | and it would help IMMENSELY if you could publish it in more detail, but i realise theres nothing in it for you, its not like youre getting paid for this | Mar 21 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | MakeUseOf mentioned an article of "Netflix problems", so I posted this: | Mar 21 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | It started with them willing to sell it below cost to gain a subscriber base. | Mar 21 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | Then Comcast complained that it was using too much bandwidth and Comcast corrupted the stream to ruin Netflix, unless they paid Comcast a bribe, which they did. | Mar 21 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | Then other ISPs followed. No federal or state charges against Comcast even though they falsely advertised a speed package and upcharged their customers who wanted better speed, _and_ are engaging in a protection racket against Netflix which all Netflix customers pay for even if their ISP is not Comcast. Because Murrica. | Mar 21 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | Then Netflix decided that they were done losing money and started raising the prices every year. Now any tier costs about double what it did five years ago except SD on one screen, which went up about 30%. | Mar 21 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | But it turns out that even when you pay extra for more "screens", they still don't allow it if they think someone who doesn't live with you is watching it, so they want even more money. | Mar 21 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | All while canceling anything even sort of worth watching and filling up their app with Redbox-style B movie garbage. | Mar 21 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | This is going to backfire on them, big time. | Mar 21 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, I've considered filing a lawsuit against the city in small claims court. | Mar 21 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | Seeking damages of what I had to pay my attorney to beat that traffic ticket. | Mar 21 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | Since it was dismissed for lack of evidence, I could try using that as proof that they damaged me without any basis for doing so. | Mar 21 17:42 |
| matey | if it were not for the things lea.h is excited about, we might be more free-as-in-freedom with zilog chips like you said | Mar 21 17:42 |
| matey | which might not be terribly practical but it was certainly interesting | Mar 21 17:43 |
| matey | i didnt actually miss the 8 bit era but im afraid i got a semi-16 bit machine too soon | Mar 21 17:44 |
| activelow | 8bit data-bus | Mar 21 17:44 |
| matey | miss ^ i didnt actually, i mean i had an 8 bit machine first, i wish id made use of it for longer than i did | Mar 21 17:44 |
| matey | <activelow> 8bit data-bus <- was making a parody of a 16 bit machine with an 8 bit data bus yesterday | Mar 21 17:45 |
| matey | i was making up a story about a machine with a digital cpu and an analogue bus (the bottlenect was the adc and the dac) but this was made up as a joke, no one called me on it (its ok if they ignored it) | Mar 21 17:45 |
| matey | however it was said in parody of a machine i actually owned | Mar 21 17:46 |
| matey | i had a timex sinclair once | Mar 21 17:47 |
| matey | loaded programs on audiocassette | Mar 21 17:47 |
| matey | but i was 4. didnt get into programming until i was at least partly on 16-bit hardware | Mar 21 17:48 |
| matey | if i had been a little older i might have coded with an 8 bit machine, and the cool thing about 8 bit that i missed was | Mar 21 17:49 |
| matey | 8 bit makes it so trivial to get lower level | Mar 21 17:49 |
| matey | and since the machine is so limited the rewards for making that (relatively) trivial effort are larger | Mar 21 17:50 |
| matey | weve lost out a little with every advance since then, at least in terms of education | Mar 21 17:50 |
| matey | it probably balances out at some point, but still | Mar 21 17:50 |
| activelow | they're pulling the strings from Silicon Valley/RAND Corp and Pentagon anyway | Mar 21 17:57 |
| matey | theres no doubt of it | Mar 21 17:57 |
| activelow | still looking for some untapped VT100 terminal with PS/2 and VGA which wasn't tampered with by them | Mar 21 17:57 |
| matey | you know really activelow, if they want you badly enough they can use radio to commandeer some hardware operations | Mar 21 17:58 |
| matey | unless youre going to do your research in a faraday cage | Mar 21 17:58 |
| techrights-news | We are unfortunately seeing sites that focus on “Linux” falling into the hands of Microsoft with its marketing operations; if we cannot understand or cannot agree that such software should be rejected, that’s a very big problem http://techrights.org/2022/03/21/selling-microsoft/ | Mar 21 17:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Sites That Care About GNU/Linux and Users of Free Software Don’t Help Sell Microsoft | Techrights | Mar 21 17:58 | |
| matey | though to be fair, that may presume you have an ethernet port | Mar 21 17:58 |
| matey | i dont know if it applies to a breadboard and a cpu (or how it possibly would) | Mar 21 17:59 |
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| techrights-news | The EPO ‘Mafia’ (this what staff calls the management) seems to be doing what every rogue employer tends to do when staff organises and takes action; the staff union says that the Mafia “has meanwhile published that staff ‘must’ register in the EPO Strike tool." http://techrights.org/2022/03/21/strike-busting-antonio-campinos/ | Mar 21 18:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO Management Seems to be Resorting to Illegal Union-Busting Tactics, Suppression/Deterrence by List-Making | Techrights | Mar 21 18:01 | |
| activelow | currently cleaning up and finalizing the no-c++ linux firmware; then TinyCC which i hope for can fully replace GCC, before i fully depart, from GNU/Linux | Mar 21 18:01 |
| matey | before i fully depart, from GNU/Linux <- are you going to write your own kernel? | Mar 21 18:02 |
| activelow | i'll keep that archived, for historical reasons, since i doubt i can keep up with the higher intellect of C11 and Kernel any later than v5.10 | Mar 21 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | I was talking about Hollywood the other day. | Mar 21 18:03 |
| DaemonFC | mjg59_ was talking about how trans people face discrimination. | Mar 21 18:03 |
| activelow | i probably could hack some kernel stuff, yes. nonetheless it's a waste of time mostly, because hardware. | Mar 21 18:03 |
| matey | of course | Mar 21 18:03 |
| DaemonFC | But the media doesn't show anyone with a realistic body type. | Mar 21 18:04 |
| DaemonFC | In the US, over half the population is overweight and you hardly ever see one on a movie. | Mar 21 18:04 |
| DaemonFC | Or in a TV show. | Mar 21 18:04 |
| activelow | see GNU/Hurd... aiming for Intel x86/x86_64...; and i am not as skilled as the hackers involved with GNU/Hurd | Mar 21 18:04 |
| matey | it makes sense then, for you to follow what leah is doing, since it might enable you to move past zilog | Mar 21 18:04 |
| DaemonFC | It's the last acceptable discrimination out there, I think, is body type. | Mar 21 18:04 |
| activelow | matey: what is she is doing? | Mar 21 18:04 |
| DaemonFC | From what you're shown on TV to the clothes you're allowed to buy in the "normal" store. | Mar 21 18:05 |
| matey | organising a free hardware movement | Mar 21 18:05 |
| matey | but not only the sort of free hardware you are sceptical of | Mar 21 18:05 |
| matey | i mean actual free hardware, like the kind you can make at home | Mar 21 18:05 |
| matey | like a homemade cpu, lithography and everything | Mar 21 18:06 |
| matey | really free hardware | Mar 21 18:06 |
| matey | free design, download and produce | Mar 21 18:06 |
| matey | not just fpga | Mar 21 18:06 |
| matey | not "3d printed" because of resolution of course, but that level of control over production | Mar 21 18:07 |
| activelow | interesting. btw. in WhiteRussia an alternative production line for TTL 7400 series parts exists. maybe they haven't forgotten everything there, how to do it. | Mar 21 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | It's perfectly okay to pick on some people for factors beyond their control I suppose. | Mar 21 18:08 |
| matey | it seems unlikely that an entire industry would forget its own industry | Mar 21 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | Fat-shaming is really another way of poor shaming. | Mar 21 18:08 |
| matey | though the idea that they could abstract themselves to a point of no return seems less implausible | Mar 21 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | Being fat used to mean you were rich. Only people who were rich could afford enough food to be fat, and food that tasted good enough to want to eat enough to be fat. | Mar 21 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | Today, it's flipped. | Mar 21 18:09 |
| matey | certain companies could become dependent on things they dont control and, oops | Mar 21 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | The rich spend more to get access to healthy food. They live forever. They don't have as many problems with their weight. | Mar 21 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | Poor people are fed junk that's one notch up from animal feed. | Mar 21 18:10 |
| matey | the thing is, you really dont factor in the very things that could unpaint your bleak picture | Mar 21 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | Seasonings cost money, so the one used in bulk, everywhere, is salt. | Mar 21 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | Which is REALLY NOT GOOD FOR YOU. | Mar 21 18:10 |
| matey | its still interesting research and it shows mistakes that were made along the way | Mar 21 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/tj90r6/theyre_all_using_the_same_playbook/ | Mar 21 18:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | they're all using the same playbook : LateStageCapitalism | Mar 21 18:11 | |
| activelow | apropos, WhiteRussia/Ukraine: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-state-nuclear-company-unable-monitor-radiation-levels-around-chernobyl-2022-03-21/ | Mar 21 18:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Ukraine state nuclear company unable to monitor radiation levels around Chernobyl | Reuters | Mar 21 18:12 | |
| DaemonFC | I was talking to mjg59_ some more last night about apps and slavery. | Mar 21 18:12 |
| matey | im not familiar with the term "white russia" except regarding mixed drinks | Mar 21 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | They've created a new kind of worker that's below even a person making minimum wage. | Mar 21 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | Apps are a way to violate wage and hour laws and make it legal. | Mar 21 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | People shouldn't use them. | Mar 21 18:12 |
| activelow | white-russia is the neighboring country of the Russian Federation and Ukraine; they changed their name to express distinction from the federation | Mar 21 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | Illinois hasn't done anything to help "gig workers". California has done some small things, but stopped well short of giving them at least the same rights as a minimum wage employee. | Mar 21 18:13 |
| matey | they changed their name to express distinction from the federation <- i cant say i blame them | Mar 21 18:13 |
| activelow | i do | Mar 21 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | In fact, about all Illinois has done with Uber and the rest is tax them. | Mar 21 18:13 |
| matey | i dont know why | Mar 21 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | Because it taxes the shit out of everything. | Mar 21 18:13 |
| activelow | they speak Russian or a dialect thereof, they share common history, including the operation of Chernobyl | Mar 21 18:14 |
| activelow | and Weissrussland is the name i learned in school, and keep it at this | Mar 21 18:14 |
| activelow | White, because of the winter seasons there. that's why. no other political nuance. | Mar 21 18:15 |
| matey | i didnt assume it was some racist trope | Mar 21 18:15 |
| matey | i dont figure the drink name is intended that way either | Mar 21 18:16 |
| matey | they would have renamed it by now :) | Mar 21 18:16 |
| XRevan86 | PSA: Don't take activelow's claims seriously. | Mar 21 18:16 |
| matey | XRevan86: its difficult to verify unpublished research | Mar 21 18:16 |
| matey | as for his politics... well... you know | Mar 21 18:16 |
| XRevan86 | matey: It's easy to verify that his linguistic research is full of shit. | Mar 21 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | XRevan86, He liked the 49% East German Coffee Mix that ruined coffee makers. | Mar 21 18:16 |
| XRevan86 | I can vet this part of his claims with my brain off. | Mar 21 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | He sees it as the pinnacle of Communist central planning achievement. | Mar 21 18:17 |
| XRevan86 | "White, because of the winter seasons there." <- So full of shit. | Mar 21 18:17 |
| matey | XRevan86: when i said its difficult to verify... so is a lot of... | Mar 21 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | When you can't even get coffee, just dilute it with something that clogs the machine and ruins it. | Mar 21 18:17 |
| matey | im being diplomatic. though my interest is not insincere | Mar 21 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | That way the public has to give up on coffee because they'd have to go to the black market for both. | Mar 21 18:18 |
| matey | i am intrigued one way or another | Mar 21 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, ^ | Mar 21 18:18 |
| XRevan86 | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/52/%D0%A1%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%8C_1596_%D0%B3._%D0%9B%D0%B0%D0%B2%D1%80%D1%8B%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%97%D1%8B%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D0%A2%D1%83%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE.jpg | Mar 21 18:18 |
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| matey | if its a troll is a truly epic one | Mar 21 18:18 |
| XRevan86 | activelow: ^ check this out | Mar 21 18:18 |
| XRevan86 | XVI century mini-dictionary (Church Slavonic <-> "Ukrainian") | Mar 21 18:18 |
| XRevan86 | It actually uses the word "Ukrainian". | Mar 21 18:18 |
| XRevan86 | Ah, no, I confused myself, never mind. | Mar 21 18:19 |
| XRevan86 | Should put my brain on on now. | Mar 21 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | If Communism is so great, why does every Communist country have a black market, and why are the black markets shopped by nearly anyone who can afford it, and why do the black markets have daily living essentials and not just bourgeoisie creature comforts? | Mar 21 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | People have to shop it for coffee, beans, rice, and flour. Not exactly Playstations and iPhones. | Mar 21 18:20 |
| XRevan86 | Anyway, the word is kind of old, but not that old, it was very stupid what I did there. | Mar 21 18:20 |
| matey | the main thing ive gotten from activelow is that c++ is needed to bootstrap gcc | Mar 21 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | But in many Communist countries, people cannot afford the black market prices because by causing the black market in the first place, the government has mandated high prices and supply chain inefficiencies to make it worth the risk of being caught and having your stuff seized and ran over by trucks. | Mar 21 18:21 |
| techrights-news | COVID-19 in the United Kingdom: Almost a Quarter Million Confirmed Infections Reported Today (Worse Since First Week of January)http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/03/21/records-confirmed-today/ | Mar 21 18:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » COVID-19 in the United Kingdom: Almost a Quarter Million Confirmed Infections Reported Today (Worse Since First Week of January) | Mar 21 18:21 | |
| MinceR | stalinists built memorials to how horrible the countries they managed were to live in | Mar 21 18:21 |
| matey | and that we might be more free with zilog, which is an argument that i truly enjoy, not only as a joke | Mar 21 18:21 |
| MinceR | like the Berlin Wall | Mar 21 18:21 |
| XRevan86 | "but not that old" <- Though it kind of is actually. | Mar 21 18:21 |
| MinceR | their slaves tried to escape from the system we're supposed to believe was so great, so they built walls to prevent the slaves from escaping | Mar 21 18:21 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, The Berlin Wall was just meant to slow you down. It's hard to shoot thousands of people in the back and get them all while they try to escape if you don't slow them down. | Mar 21 18:22 |
| MinceR | which shows that not even the stalinists thought of stalinism as an attractive proposition for the masses | Mar 21 18:22 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: well, walls rarely work if they aren't guarded | Mar 21 18:22 |
| matey | mincer: i think theres more than one holocaust museum, but i dont think any of them are intended to celebrate it | Mar 21 18:22 |
| MinceR | the berlin wall had kill zones and stuff | Mar 21 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Like Trump spending tens of billions of dollars on border wall that fell over and is being sawed through and tunneled under? | Mar 21 18:23 |
| MinceR | yeah | Mar 21 18:23 |
| XRevan86 | "they changed their name to express distinction from the federation" <- Anyway, this is false. | Mar 21 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | As long as the people running the government actually are this stupid, it doesn't matter. | Mar 21 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | It's YOUR money they take and waste on this junk. | Mar 21 18:23 |
| matey | im less shocked there are memorials to stalinism, i find it more shocking that people still put his bloody picture up in shops | Mar 21 18:24 |
| matey | it would be like finding pictures of hitler in a shop in germany | Mar 21 18:24 |
| matey | not for sale, i mean as decor | Mar 21 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | Well, that would be illegal. | Mar 21 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | Holocaust denial is so illegal in Germany that it's also the law. | Mar 21 18:25 |
| MinceR | matey: you wouldn't believe how stupid people are | Mar 21 18:25 |
| matey | MinceR: just because im not as pessimistic as you are doesnt mean i think youre from another planet | Mar 21 18:25 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 21 18:25 |
| matey | i think im probably at least 90% as pessimistic | Mar 21 18:25 |
| matey | 95% as cynical | Mar 21 18:25 |
| matey | but a percentage point can mean a lot | Mar 21 18:25 |
| DaemonFC | They censor out a lot of things that mention the Nazis in disgust and contempt. | Mar 21 18:25 |
| matey | depending what its a percentage of naturally | Mar 21 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | You know. Like, it's illegal to mention it because it makes them more comfortable not to admit it happened. | Mar 21 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | But at the same time it's also illegal to say it never happened. | Mar 21 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | They're some weird fucking people, the Germans. | Mar 21 18:26 |
| matey | back shortly | Mar 21 18:26 |
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| activelow | DaemonFC: you are temporarily placed onto /ignore | Mar 21 18:27 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: they also banned at least one game which was about killing nazis | Mar 21 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | They didn't ban it, they just censored Wolfenstein 3d to the point where you were walking around killing men in brown clothes for no reason at all, and rats, in a castle. | Mar 21 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | With blank pictures on the walls. | Mar 21 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Would be an interesting backstory if there was only a reason why the player character wanted to go into a castle with blank pictures and kill men in brown uniforms and rats. | Mar 21 18:29 |
| MinceR | well, at least no poor virtual nazis got hurt in germany for a while :> | Mar 21 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | Almost as interesting would be why nothing bleeds when it gets shot. | Mar 21 18:29 |
| MinceR | it's because the self-appointed "moral" "guardians" faint if they see blood depicted on a screen | Mar 21 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | Back in those days, it was probably a lot harder to slip people the real WADs into Germany so they could play the actual game. | Mar 21 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | You have to copy those floppies and all. | Mar 21 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | Or whatever game data format Wolf3d used. | Mar 21 18:30 |
| MinceR | they weren't WADs yet :> | Mar 21 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | It was WAD-like I think. | Mar 21 18:31 |
| MinceR | it had separate files for separate types of data | Mar 21 18:32 |
| MinceR | https://moddingwiki.shikadi.net/wiki/Wolfenstein_3-D | Mar 21 18:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-moddingwiki.shikadi.net | Wolfenstein 3-D - ModdingWiki | Mar 21 18:32 | |
| DaemonFC | Wolf3d's engine is GPL now I believe. | Mar 21 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | Nobody ever did much with it though. | Mar 21 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | Although there WERE other games in the 90s based on Wolf3d, as a licensed engine. | Mar 21 18:33 |
| MinceR | AudioT itself used 2 or 3 files to do the job of 1 WAD file, and only for audio files | Mar 21 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | I also had Corridor 7: Alien Invasion. | Mar 21 18:33 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 21 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | There was also some Bible game I did not have, I think. | Mar 21 18:33 |
| MinceR | the pinnacle of entertainment software! | Mar 21 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | Duke Nukem was probably my favorite 90s game though. | Mar 21 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | In the eduke32 engine, it's better. | Mar 21 18:36 |
| MinceR | you mean Duke Nukem 3D :> | Mar 21 18:37 |
| MinceR | Duke Nukem was great, but it was a platform game and afaik eduke32 doesn't support it | Mar 21 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, that's it. | Mar 21 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | Speaking of "walls", almost everyone in this city has a tall fence that's pretty sturdy. | Mar 21 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | They know where they live I guess. | Mar 21 18:41 |
| activelow | gcc can be bootstrapped without c++ until version v4.7, which required some backporting and patching with gentoo tooling | Mar 21 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | Makes it harder for people the police are chasing to end up in your back yard. | Mar 21 18:41 |
| activelow | and, gcc cannot be boostrapped easily anymore with TinyCC, which was the other finding, what the status of GNU is | Mar 21 18:42 |
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| activelow | matey: gcc can be bootstrapped without c++ until version v4.7, which required some backporting and patching with gentoo tooling | Mar 21 18:43 |
| activelow | matey: and, gcc cannot be boostrapped easily anymore with TinyCC, which was the other finding, what the status of GNU is | Mar 21 18:43 |
| activelow | and i stumbled upon some nasty issue recently, which is the linker added some stuff, which it shouldn't | Mar 21 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/google-settles-over-firing-workers-protesting-immigration-cloud-deal-2022-03-21/ | Mar 21 18:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google settles over firing of workers protesting immigration cloud deal | Reuters | Mar 21 18:43 | |
| DaemonFC | GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLAG | Mar 21 18:44 |
| activelow | no idea where this symbol coming from now: __aeabi_unwind_cpp_pr0, yet it causes all binaries linked against libgcc_s.so.1 | Mar 21 18:44 |
| activelow | which caused some issues in early stage builds with gentoo, which i struggled with | Mar 21 18:44 |
| activelow | this minor issue alone, had cost me several days of headache | Mar 21 18:44 |
| activelow | and, it's not solved yet... i'm at it | Mar 21 18:45 |
| matey | matey: gcc can be bootstrapped without c++ until version v4.7 <- yes ive followed your compilation odyssey fairly closely | Mar 21 18:45 |
| activelow | why the f** does the linker add stuff which it didn't before... | Mar 21 18:45 |
| activelow | that's another reason why, i'll depart, i've had enough of this | Mar 21 18:46 |
| matey | for someone who doesnt want to be married, youre taking long enough with the divorce | Mar 21 18:46 |
| *activelow cannot afford marriage | Mar 21 18:47 | |
| matey | who can? | Mar 21 18:47 |
| matey | bill gates is one of the 10 richest people on earth, and... well... | Mar 21 18:47 |
| techrights-news | Who thought Gulag would profit from a gulag? https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/google-settles-over-firing-workers-protesting-immigration-cloud-deal-2022-03-21/ Microsoft also: http://techrights.org/2021/04/04/microsoft-nationalism/ | Mar 21 18:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft: Nationalism As A Service (NaaS) | Techrights | Mar 21 18:47 | |
| schestowitz-TR | activelow: marriage is not about money | Mar 21 18:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | if someone thinks that it is, you do NOT want to marry that person | Mar 21 18:48 |
| matey | roy is pulling an mjg here | Mar 21 18:49 |
| matey | he says marriage isnt about money | Mar 21 18:49 |
| matey | try being poor and finding a wife though | Mar 21 18:50 |
| matey | obviously money is a factor | Mar 21 18:50 |
| matey | and by mjg i mean daemonfcs usual claims that he lives in an ivory tower | Mar 21 18:50 |
| MinceR | does finding a wife require significantly more money than finding a partner to live with but not marry? | Mar 21 18:51 |
| matey | MinceR: luck of the draw i think. sometimes, absolutely | Mar 21 18:51 |
| matey | ive seen people ruined that way. im not against marriage | Mar 21 18:51 |
| matey | but if the argument is that you dont have to get married for someone to ruin your life, thats obviously true | Mar 21 18:52 |
| MinceR | afaict marriage does 2 things: 1) makes separation more costly and 2) sends a signal to a state that meddles in your private affairs uninvited | Mar 21 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/03/21/pretty-much-all-apple-clown-disservices-went-down-today-apple-had-no-comment/ | Mar 21 18:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | Pretty much all Apple Clown disservices went down today. Apple had no comment. – BaronHK's Rants | Mar 21 18:52 | |
| techrights-news | Richard M. Stallman (RMS) Did Not Speak at LibrePlanet, But He’ll Give an FSF Talk Very Soon (“The State of the Free Software Movement”) | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/03/21/the-state-of-the-free-software-movement/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/21/the-state-of-the-free-software-movement/ | Mar 21 18:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Richard M. Stallman (RMS) Did Not Speak at LibrePlanet, But He’ll Give an FSF Talk Very Soon (“The State of the Free Software Movement”) | Techrights | Mar 21 18:52 | |
| matey | marriage does 2 things: 1) makes separation more costly <- this is at risk of being an understatement | Mar 21 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | I refer to them as Disservices as a Software Substitute, or DaaSS. | Mar 21 18:53 |
| matey | apple-had-no-comment <- maybe they couldnt login to make one :) | Mar 21 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | <matey> marriage does 2 things: 1) makes separation more costly <- this is at risk of being an understatement | Mar 21 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | The IRS sticks it to single people WAAAAAY worse than it does to married people. | Mar 21 18:53 |
| matey | DaemonFC im thinking of family courts | Mar 21 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | If we were single, we would have owed 90.32 times as much in federal income tax last year. | Mar 21 18:54 |
| matey | you can have kids for free until the divorce, then the gods themselves will come down upon you | Mar 21 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | It's a corner case, but it shows how being married is heavily favored by the government. | Mar 21 18:54 |
| matey | /me doesnt have kids | Mar 21 18:54 |
| matey | welfare: oh youre not married and have kids you cant afford, have some money | Mar 21 18:55 |
| SomeH4x0r | why have kids? | Mar 21 18:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | [18:50] <matey> try being poor and finding a wife though | Mar 21 18:55 |
| matey | also welfare: oh youre married and have kids you cant afford, have some money | Mar 21 18:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | I had no money when I met rianne | Mar 21 18:55 |
| SomeH4x0r | why marry? | Mar 21 18:55 |
| matey | also welfare: of youre getting divorced and the wife is taking the kids you cant afford anyway <- DIE, MOTHERFUCKER! | Mar 21 18:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | like I said, it's better not to marry than to find someone who checks the check | Mar 21 18:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | like a prior date who asked me my salary on the FIRST DATE | Mar 21 18:56 |
| matey | if youre a guy in a family on welfare and you (or your partner) gets a divorce, may god have mercy on your soul | Mar 21 18:56 |
| matey | welfare seems to have everything figured out (i didnt say very well) up to this point | Mar 21 18:57 |
| matey | after that marriage becomes sort of a blood oath against yourself | Mar 21 18:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | imho, getting married makes faaaaar more sense than having children | Mar 21 18:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | more so in the current economic climate and actual climate | Mar 21 18:57 |
| matey | getting married makes faaaaar more sense than having children <- only one of these is necessary to the survival of the human race | Mar 21 18:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | marriage increases sharing, which lowers costs, never mind tax benefits | Mar 21 18:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | but companionship is a factor too | Mar 21 18:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | ask DaemonFC about mandy serving him tea with poison | Mar 21 18:58 |
| matey | im sure it was an honest mistake | Mar 21 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | Kids are MOST CERTAINLY NOT FREE until the divorce. | Mar 21 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | They just get WORSE after divorce. | Mar 21 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | For men, anyway. | Mar 21 18:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | matey: "survival of the human race" is overrated anyway | Mar 21 18:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | ask MinceR for details | Mar 21 18:59 |
| matey | DaemonFC: i used to volunteer at a homeless shelter | Mar 21 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | For men, they get sentenced to child support and never get to see them. Work schedules and shit. | Mar 21 18:59 |
| matey | i know im glossing over loads of details here | Mar 21 18:59 |
| matey | but you can have kids you cant afford-- until the divorce | Mar 21 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | For women, they get the kids and get to take the men back to court if the check stops coming for ANY reason, and have you thrown in prison for back child support. | Mar 21 18:59 |
| matey | its like divorce puts you on the hook for something you never had the money for in the first place | Mar 21 18:59 |
| matey | or like welfare starts working in reverse | Mar 21 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | Even if you lost your job and it wasn't your fault and nobody is hiring and you're on your mother's couch and can't make any money at all. | Mar 21 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | It's called a vindictive and sexist court system, my friend. :) | Mar 21 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | Don't forget nasty. Nastier than fuck. | Mar 21 19:00 |
| matey | but its a fact that people can survive raising kids they cant afford | Mar 21 19:00 |
| techrights-news | Capital and Copyright gemini://idiomdrottning.org/capital-and-copyright | Mar 21 19:00 |
| matey | and its common | Mar 21 19:00 |
| matey | but after the divorce its a bloody miracle | Mar 21 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, because they go and sign up for welfare and expect someone else to pay for their mess. | Mar 21 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | If I'm paying to raise some kids, they should at least be mine. | Mar 21 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | But noooooooo. | Mar 21 19:01 |
| matey | its really like "oh you had kids but cant pay? no problem-- just dont get divorced or we will get you for it then" | Mar 21 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | Goddamned fucking leftists came in and I didn't get to partake in any of the fun bits along the way. | Mar 21 19:01 |
| matey | doesnt matter who wanted the divorce, its a sword of damocles just the same | Mar 21 19:01 |
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| DaemonFC | Then I get to pay taxes to raise them from birth to "picking up a gun and carjacking someone" age. | Mar 21 19:01 |
| matey | well the difference is that youre against welfare, im not | Mar 21 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | Usually 12-13 in Chicago. | Mar 21 19:01 |
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| matey | we are both against the inequities of welfare | Mar 21 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | I love paying taxes to raise a carjacker who shoots a productive member of society......said nobody ever. | Mar 21 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, ^ | Mar 21 19:02 |
| matey | it shouldnt be based on financially crippling people in lower tax brackets | Mar 21 19:02 |
| matey | its a farce that it is | Mar 21 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | It takes a village to raise an asshole, and all that. | Mar 21 19:03 |
| matey | i dont know, with hitler it only took a doting mother and a world war | Mar 21 19:03 |
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| bnchs | this is modern web | Mar 21 19:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | ouch | Mar 21 19:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | this is js | Mar 21 19:06 |
| psydroid2 | the web of misinformation | Mar 21 19:06 |
| matey | css is just as much to blame for that | Mar 21 19:06 |
| MinceR | this is sparta | Mar 21 19:06 |
| matey | the first time i saw a modal css layer i wanted to kill someone | Mar 21 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | Having welfare programs encourages the least productive to be the most reproductive. | Mar 21 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | They should pull it all out by the roots and use the money they saved for something useful, for people who worked their whole life and can't care for themselves anymore. | Mar 21 19:07 |
| matey | DaemonFC: im used to gay men going on about "breeders" but you give it a nice right-wing twist | Mar 21 19:08 |
| matey | and no, its not just gay men-- rms is an anti-natalist | Mar 21 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | The reason there's a pensions crisis is because all the money is paying for people to have sex and produce more people who have no jobs to go to and no future to live in. | Mar 21 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | So it seems pretty evil to me when you think about it. | Mar 21 19:08 |
| matey | The reason there's a pensions crisis <- goes a wee bit beyond welfare really | Mar 21 19:09 |
| matey | if you scrapped every welfare programme on earth there would STILL be a pensions crisis, maybe you can guess why | Mar 21 19:09 |
| matey | pensions arent decided as a direct function of how much money goes into welfare instead | Mar 21 19:11 |
| matey | theyre decided PRIMARILY by how much the laws/econony/employers can fuck over pensioners | Mar 21 19:12 |
| matey | welfare is a convenient excuse | Mar 21 19:12 |
| matey | granted its a common one | Mar 21 19:12 |
| matey | if you want to get right down to it, pensions are just another kind of welfare (but since its welfare for former workers its not taboo with the right) | Mar 21 19:13 |
| matey | disability is often for former workers too, but it gets painted differently than that | Mar 21 19:14 |
| matey | pensions are sacred with the right, but disability (another kind of pension sometimes) isnt | Mar 21 19:14 |
| matey | and by sacred i mean they proclaim very loudly and proudly that they support pensions while gutting them | Mar 21 19:15 |
| matey | The reason there's a pensions crisis is bloody capitalism | Mar 21 19:16 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 21 19:16 |
| kingoffrance | *creditism | Mar 21 19:17 |
| MinceR | so what's the alternative to capitalism? | Mar 21 19:17 |
| matey | anticapitalism :) | Mar 21 19:17 |
| kingoffrance | credit | Mar 21 19:17 |
| matey | thats a deliberately silly answer | Mar 21 19:17 |
| kingoffrance | thats the truth | Mar 21 19:17 |
| kingoffrance | this is round 2 at least | Mar 21 19:17 |
| matey | anticapitalism is too vague to be a real answer | Mar 21 19:18 |
| kingoffrance | that never stopped anyone | Mar 21 19:18 |
| MinceR | once "capitalism" means "everything that is bad", it becomes quite meaningless and unhelpful when looking for solutions | Mar 21 19:18 |
| matey | once "capitalism" means "everything that is bad" <- good, lets get it right then | Mar 21 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | "He slipped on an icy patch." | Mar 21 19:18 |
| MinceR | or even when looking for root causes | Mar 21 19:18 |
| matey | capitalism doesnt mean that | Mar 21 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | But he was decapitated. | Mar 21 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | "It was a VERY icy patch." | Mar 21 19:19 |
| kingoffrance | oh but it does. its just another religion on both "sides" | Mar 21 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | I like the humor in Dr. Who sometimes. | Mar 21 19:19 |
| matey | kingoffrance on this one we dont agree | Mar 21 19:19 |
| kingoffrance | what does capitalism mean matey ? | Mar 21 19:19 |
| matey | it means that the workers dont control the means of production | Mar 21 19:20 |
| matey | actually, thats less vague but also not a definition. | Mar 21 19:20 |
| kingoffrance | who are "the workers" ? | Mar 21 19:20 |
| MinceR | (audio) https://hugelolcdn.com/v/817559.mp4 | Mar 21 19:20 |
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| matey | youre not serious | Mar 21 19:20 |
| kingoffrance | its just word games | Mar 21 19:20 |
| matey | its not | Mar 21 19:21 |
| matey | science isnt just word games | Mar 21 19:21 |
| kingoffrance | lol | Mar 21 19:21 |
| matey | you can build a computer with science | Mar 21 19:21 |
| MinceR | sounds like we're not living in "capitalism" | Mar 21 19:21 |
| MinceR | here i sit, a software engineer, using means of production that i own and control. | Mar 21 19:21 |
| matey | MinceR: from a libertarian standpoint your statement is correct | Mar 21 19:21 |
| MinceR | cooperatives also exist | Mar 21 19:21 |
| MinceR | (but there should probably be more) | Mar 21 19:21 |
| matey | here i sit, a software engineer, using means of production that i own and control. <- you think you control that? | Mar 21 19:21 |
| MinceR | yeah | Mar 21 19:21 |
| matey | even if you did, it would be an exception | Mar 21 19:22 |
| kingoffrance | matey, how is "work" measured? | Mar 21 19:22 |
| MinceR | "the exception proves the rule"? | Mar 21 19:22 |
| MinceR | i think work is measured in joules | Mar 21 19:22 |
| matey | MinceR: if you could make your own computer, you would be farther from capitalism | Mar 21 19:22 |
| MinceR | yeah | Mar 21 19:22 |
| kingoffrance | MinceR, :) | Mar 21 19:22 |
| matey | that day may be here sooner than we expect, but t isnt here yet | Mar 21 19:22 |
| MinceR | hopefully i'll be able to do so eventually | Mar 21 19:22 |
| matey | however, that would only demonstrate that a lot of things rms pushed for REALLY WERE watered down marxism | Mar 21 19:22 |
| matey | even though he denies this, on the grounds that marxism is communism and communism is stalinism | Mar 21 19:23 |
| MinceR | depends on what marxism is | Mar 21 19:23 |
| matey | it absolutely does | Mar 21 19:23 |
| MinceR | at its core marxism is a gross misunderstanding of economics | Mar 21 19:23 |
| MinceR | starting with the Labor Theory of Value, which is trivially disproven | Mar 21 19:24 |
| matey | at its core, economics is a gross misunderstanding of economics | Mar 21 19:24 |
| kingoffrance | yes, all just word games | Mar 21 19:24 |
| kingoffrance | we agree, thank you :) | Mar 21 19:24 |
| matey | kingoffrance <- actually in this context i partially agree | Mar 21 19:24 |
| matey | because now we are talking about economics | Mar 21 19:24 |
| matey | and calling that "word games" is a bit of a slight to word games | Mar 21 19:24 |
| kingoffrance | what do you call a "gross misunderstanding" ? same result | Mar 21 19:25 |
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| MinceR | Word Games 2022 | Mar 21 19:25 |
| matey | kingoffrance youre doing to language what scalia did to the constitution | Mar 21 19:25 |
| matey | youre holding it to such a high standard that nothing means anything | Mar 21 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, One of those idiotic Bloomberg articles on how to deal with inflation. | Mar 21 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | "Don't buy in bulk." | Mar 21 19:26 |
| matey | but i dont think you usually do | Mar 21 19:26 |
| kingoffrance | "specie is the only constitutional moeny in this country." | Mar 21 19:26 |
| kingoffrance | how well did that work out? | Mar 21 19:26 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 21 19:26 |
| kingoffrance | word games | Mar 21 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | Yes, they plan on raising the price later and if you have plenty they won't get you for a while. | Mar 21 19:26 |
| matey | but you do dance towards the edge of that, which i think is fantastic | Mar 21 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | DON'T RUN! WE ARE YOUR FRIENDS! | Mar 21 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | Bag of rice goes up another $10. | Mar 21 19:26 |
| kingoffrance | noone is doing "constitution" so strraw man :) | Mar 21 19:26 |
| kingoffrance | creditism is in, specie is out | Mar 21 19:26 |
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| DaemonFC | <matey> DaemonFC: im used to gay men going on about "breeders" but you give it a nice right-wing twist | Mar 21 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think I fit neatly on a right or left-wing spectrum. | Mar 21 19:37 |
| matey | i agree | Mar 21 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | Because the right-wing social policies disgust me as much as the left-wing fiscal policies do. | Mar 21 19:38 |
| matey | the twist you gave that particular thign was a right-wing twist to be sure | Mar 21 19:38 |
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| DaemonFC | Well, Stallman doesn't think people should have kids either. | Mar 21 19:38 |
| matey | in fact if not for all your rants about left wing policies id place you on the left | Mar 21 19:38 |
| matey | im not even sure you arent mistaken about which side youre really on :) | Mar 21 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | The easiest way to deal with that is cut people off from government programs that encourage the worst and most unfit parents to have them to get at the government money. | Mar 21 19:39 |
| matey | but its your right to believe you are where you are of course | Mar 21 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | Libertarians believe that things should cost what they cost. | Mar 21 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | And why should having kids be any different? | Mar 21 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | Condoms are cheaper. | Mar 21 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | Try those. | Mar 21 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | If the government does spend any money on "reproductive" programs, it should be to prevent children from happening in the first place. | Mar 21 19:40 |
| MinceR | yeah, stopping paying people to reproduce would help | Mar 21 19:42 |
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| matey | <MinceR> yeah, stopping paying people to reproduce would help <- whats the alternative? | Mar 21 19:46 |
| matey | because whatever it is, its probably been tried already | Mar 21 19:46 |
| Бувай | only rich successful people should be able to reproduce | Mar 21 19:46 |
| matey | i cant imagine what that would do to society | Mar 21 19:46 |
| matey | the last thing we need is a bunch of bill gates and jeff bezos running around | Mar 21 19:47 |
| matey | imagine a world full of those | Mar 21 19:47 |
| matey | maybe a whole nation of mark zuckerburgs | Mar 21 19:47 |
| matey | id take hell itself over that | Mar 21 19:47 |
| matey | or hell, just bring me back to life once a week and shoot me again | Mar 21 19:47 |
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| Бувай | mark zuckerburg cloning facility | Mar 21 19:48 |
| kingoffrance | let me ask you this then matey : is creditism is valid and not fraud/etc. then what is the non-capitalist plan/mechanism to pay "national debt" ? | Mar 21 19:48 |
| kingoffrance | *if | Mar 21 19:48 |
| MinceR | matey: the alternative would be not doing so | Mar 21 19:48 |
| matey | kingoffrance i honestly cannot parse that | Mar 21 19:48 |
| matey | MinceR: thats fair given when i said earlier, but not an answer | Mar 21 19:48 |
| kingoffrance | is the revolution going to pay the debt? | Mar 21 19:49 |
| matey | s/when/what | Mar 21 19:49 |
| kingoffrance | 30 trillion? | Mar 21 19:49 |
| kingoffrance | its either valid or not | Mar 21 19:49 |
| matey | kingoffrance: 30 trillion what? | Mar 21 19:49 |
| matey | pay it to whom? | Mar 21 19:49 |
| kingoffrance | https://www.usdebtclock.org/ | Mar 21 19:49 |
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| MinceR | matey: only people who can afford to take care of their offspring should reproduce -- or better yet, no humans should reproduce at all | Mar 21 19:49 |
| MinceR | there are way too many humans on this planet | Mar 21 19:49 |
| MinceR | it's unsustainable | Mar 21 19:50 |
| matey | there are way too many humans on this planet <- i make this argument too | Mar 21 19:50 |
| MinceR | also, bringing more people into this hell is probably immoral | Mar 21 19:50 |
| matey | its a dangerous argument, but not making it could easily be more dangerous | Mar 21 19:50 |
| matey | also, bringing more people into this hell is probably immoral <- im starting with the premise that people are most likely going to continue being brought in anyway | Mar 21 19:50 |
| matey | im not saying whether its moral to do so or not, either way people are being born | Mar 21 19:51 |
| Бувай | more people should be gay problem solved | Mar 21 19:51 |
| XRevan86 | I'm learning a lot about the people I interact with during this war. | Mar 21 19:51 |
| matey | if everyone is gay theyll just adopt instead (from aquaman) | Mar 21 19:51 |
| XRevan86 | It shows people's true colours. | Mar 21 19:51 |
| MinceR | Бувай: unfortunately that is not a matter of decision | Mar 21 19:52 |
| matey | they might even adopt twice as often just to overcompensate | Mar 21 19:52 |
| XRevan86 | Бувай: Де бувати? | Mar 21 19:52 |
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| Бувай | as anything its just a mater of marketing | Mar 21 19:52 |
| matey | kingoffrance im not avoiding your question, im trying to expose the flaw in it | Mar 21 19:53 |
| Бувай | also its a mater of availability | Mar 21 19:53 |
| kingoffrance | matey take your time :) | Mar 21 19:53 |
| kingoffrance | just what debts are valid are what should be stiffed | Mar 21 19:54 |
| kingoffrance | *and what | Mar 21 19:54 |
| matey | kingoffrance: lets have a poke at christian martyrdom for a minute | Mar 21 19:54 |
| matey | as long as the debt is paid, does it matter who pays it (if they are willing to do so) | Mar 21 19:54 |
| matey | we are still talking about money here | Mar 21 19:54 |
| XRevan86 | (так, я тільки помітив нік) | Mar 21 19:55 |
| kingoffrance | yes, but will the revolutionaries pay it or will they just parasitically pass it on | Mar 21 19:55 |
| kingoffrance | isnt that just more "capitalism" ? | Mar 21 19:55 |
| matey | if the debt belonged to everyone equally, and you paid it, it wouldnt change any bottom lines | Mar 21 19:55 |
| matey | you could pay youtself the debt to yourself | Mar 21 19:56 |
| kingoffrance | thats what the sov citizens do, they get arrested :D | Mar 21 19:56 |
| matey | a universally shared debt is a universally forgiven/dissolved debt | Mar 21 19:57 |
| matey | rather than an "unpaid" (remaining) one | Mar 21 19:57 |
| matey | if you assume that its impossible to forgive or dissolve a debt, there are counterinstances | Mar 21 19:57 |
| kingoffrance | so come the revolution it will disappear? | Mar 21 19:57 |
| kingoffrance | im wondering how the transition will occur | Mar 21 19:57 |
| kingoffrance | thats all | Mar 21 19:58 |
| matey | for all intents and purposes, it will be paid off | Mar 21 19:58 |
| kingoffrance | why would it get forgiven/dissolved? who? how? when? | Mar 21 19:58 |
| matey | maybe a better question (really) would be to ask what purpose national debt serves | Mar 21 19:58 |
| matey | why would it get forgiven/dissolved? <- suppose for the sake of argument, i owed you 100,000 pounds | Mar 21 19:59 |
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| matey | and i said "listen, about that, i have a mansion and a few successful businesses id like to transfer to you, what do you think" | Mar 21 19:59 |
| matey | and you say " | Mar 21 19:59 |
| matey | no, dammit, i want the 100,000 pounds" | Mar 21 20:00 |
| matey | and then the value of the pound dwindles to 10% or less of what it was in a year | Mar 21 20:00 |
| matey | maybe i did as you demanded and paid you | Mar 21 20:00 |
| matey | but you should have maybe taken the mansion and various successful businesses, you could have sold them for more | Mar 21 20:00 |
| matey | the point is that theres more than one way to pay a debt | Mar 21 20:01 |
| kingoffrance | sure, which is the capitalist way and which way is revolutionary? | Mar 21 20:01 |
| kingoffrance | :) | Mar 21 20:01 |
| matey | the capitalis would demand the money if it suited their short term goals better | Mar 21 20:01 |
| matey | but a global revolution would take something worth more instead | Mar 21 20:01 |
| matey | either way, people forgive debts now and then, even under capitalism | Mar 21 20:02 |
| matey | which is why i think its a weird question (but not the only reason) | Mar 21 20:02 |
| matey | even weirder than that is the debt is enumerated in units that would fall away under communism | Mar 21 20:03 |
| matey | so suppose the debt is 100 trillian dollars | Mar 21 20:03 |
| matey | whats a dollar? | Mar 21 20:03 |
| matey | socialism would come first anyway | Mar 21 20:03 |
| kingoffrance | it was specie. that already happened one round at least :D | Mar 21 20:03 |
| kingoffrance | this is round 2 or 3 maybe :D | Mar 21 20:03 |
| matey | its weird to think that if the world adopted socialism, they wouldnt cancel each others debts | Mar 21 20:04 |
| matey | but even if they didnt, the debts would ultimately become 100 trillian times 0 | Mar 21 20:04 |
| MinceR | if the world adopted socialism, we'd all starve to death | Mar 21 20:04 |
| matey | and thats easy to pay off | Mar 21 20:04 |
| matey | <MinceR> if the world adopted socialism, we'd all starve to death <- youre being very inconsistent | Mar 21 20:04 |
| matey | given your take on humanity mincer, we would all kill each other long before we could all starve | Mar 21 20:05 |
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| MinceR | yeah, i'm the one throwing ill-defined words around :> | Mar 21 20:05 |
| kingoffrance | well i dont want to bore this channel, so i think i will leave it there, thank you for talk | Mar 21 20:05 |
| kingoffrance | s/bore/flood/ | Mar 21 20:05 |
| matey | hey i was just having a bit of fun there | Mar 21 20:05 |
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| matey | its true though, in your worldview we wouldnt all starve | Mar 21 20:06 |
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| matey | i will note that this started when dfc said welfare is the reason that pensions are in terrible shape | Mar 21 20:07 |
| matey | and i said no capitalism is | Mar 21 20:07 |
| matey | and then everybody defended capitalism but only dfc attacked welfare (actually mincer may have as well, for completeness) | Mar 21 20:08 |
| matey | we live in interesting times | Mar 21 20:08 |
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| matey | capitalism requires more welfare than welfare does, thats one of the biggest problems with daemonfcs equation | Mar 21 20:10 |
| matey | who gets bailed out more, banks and megacorps or deadbeat dads? that math shouldnt be too hard | Mar 21 20:11 |
| matey | if you stopped bailing out the banks and megacorps you could take some of the loose change out of the giant pocket youd need for all the savings | Mar 21 20:11 |
| matey | and start a giant baby factory (not that you should do so, for reasons mincer pointed out) | Mar 21 20:12 |
| MinceR | "Every species can smell its own extinction. The last ones left won't have a pretty time of it. And in ten years, maybe less, the human race will just be a bedtime story for their children. A myth." | Mar 21 20:12 |
| matey | so saying welfare is the reason pensions suck is-- patently absurd | Mar 21 20:13 |
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| matey | mincer: what year was that written | Mar 21 20:13 |
| MinceR | 1994 | Mar 21 20:13 |
| MinceR | it's from In The Mouth Of Madness | Mar 21 20:14 |
| matey | i worry about sustainability too, im not convinced that capitalism can bring it about | Mar 21 20:14 |
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| matey | energy companies seem pretty hellbent on making the matrix an increasingly relevant metaphor | Mar 21 20:15 |
| matey | "youre just fucking batteries" | Mar 21 20:15 |
| MinceR | ew | Mar 21 20:15 |
| matey | oh i see what you did there. but then, that industry already exists | Mar 21 20:16 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 21 20:17 |
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| matey | not to mention that the rate at which megacorps are producing useless shit to try to sustain themselves will probably increase more rapidly than the number of people having babies to try to get money out of the deal | Mar 21 20:37 |
| matey | nobody wants capitalism, they want a sane version of it | Mar 21 20:38 |
| techrights-news | Better headline would be, Microsoft transmits malware, blames "Open Source" https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/03/developer-sabotages-open-source-software-package.html | Mar 21 20:38 |
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| matey | like someone who doesnt want a divorce, they just want their spouse to stop being a monster | Mar 21 20:38 |
| Бувай | thats sexist | Mar 21 20:39 |
| matey | i defy you tell me how | Mar 21 20:39 |
| techrights-news | Bruce Schneier is increasingly speaking like a government and corporate shill rather than advocate of real security | Mar 21 20:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Mar 21 20:39 | |
| Бувай | why the spouse? | Mar 21 20:39 |
| matey | what does a bad marriage have to do with sexism? | Mar 21 20:40 |
| techrights-news | A1 Telekom to be held accountable for violations in Belarus - Access Now ⚓ https://www.accessnow.org/a1-telekom-belarus/ | Mar 21 20:40 |
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| Бувай | spouse dosent have gender?! | Mar 21 20:41 |
| matey | it literally doesnt | Mar 21 20:41 |
| matey | its a non-gendered term | Mar 21 20:41 |
| bnchs__ | uhhh | Mar 21 20:42 |
| bnchs__ | what happened here | Mar 21 20:42 |
| techrights-news | "Encryption is a great benefit to take advantage of, especially when it comes to hosting web sites. But how exactly do TLS certificates work? In this episode, Jay and Joao discuss foundational concepts surrounding certificates, as well as some advice and recommended practices." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=bbxhxFI1wm8 | Mar 21 20:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Enterprise Linux Security Episode 22 - Certificates - Invidious | Mar 21 20:42 | |
| matey | bnchs__ we were talking about welfare | Mar 21 20:42 |
| bnchs__ | you were all talking about welfare hours ago | Mar 21 20:43 |
| matey | /me scrolls up | Mar 21 20:43 |
| matey | less than an hour ago | Mar 21 20:43 |
| matey | maybe dfc was talking about it hours ago | Mar 21 20:44 |
| bnchs__ | yeah dfc | Mar 21 20:44 |
| matey | its a topic he gets on more than once a day most likely | Mar 21 20:44 |
| Бувай | i dint dfc is a chatbot | Mar 21 20:44 |
| bnchs__ | this has gone derailed beyond tech | Mar 21 20:44 |
| matey | its related to tech | Mar 21 20:44 |
| bnchs__ | how | Mar 21 20:45 |
| matey | we talked about mincer making his own computer | Mar 21 20:45 |
| matey | and its related very much to the corporate takeover of free software | Mar 21 20:45 |
| matey | which rms might address in april (but probably not) | Mar 21 20:45 |
| Бувай | MinceR is a foundry owner? | Mar 21 20:45 |
| matey | no foundry! | Mar 21 20:45 |
| bnchs__ | well | Mar 21 20:45 |
| matey | lea.h was talking about it last night | Mar 21 20:45 |
| bnchs__ | when i joined, i instantly got greeted with "thats sexist!" | Mar 21 20:46 |
| matey | non-english-as-a-first-language-speaker thought spouse was a gendered term | Mar 21 20:46 |
| MinceR | no foundry yet | Mar 21 20:46 |
| Бувай | spouse/husband | Mar 21 20:47 |
| matey | spouse can also mean wife (or whatever) | Mar 21 20:47 |
| bnchs__ | spouse can mean anything (husband or wife) | Mar 21 20:47 |
| Бувай | i could start a case about it | Mar 21 20:47 |
| matey | it means married person | Mar 21 20:47 |
| Бувай | i believe people usually use spouse referring to the wife | Mar 21 20:49 |
| matey | you can believe whatever pleases you | Mar 21 20:49 |
| Бувай | get an AI program to work on it | Mar 21 20:50 |
| bnchs__ | we don't need AI | Mar 21 20:51 |
| bnchs__ | we have dictionaries | Mar 21 20:51 |
| Бувай | its not about pleasure i couldnt care less | Mar 21 20:52 |
| matey | many of the most interesting discussions ive had online were with eastern europeans | Mar 21 20:52 |
| psydroid2 | spouse can mean both 'husband' and 'wife' in English | Mar 21 20:52 |
| matey | often because of different takes on english | Mar 21 20:52 |
| psydroid2 | other languages have separate words for them | Mar 21 20:52 |
| psydroid2 | 'echtgenoot' and 'echtgenote' in Dutch | Mar 21 20:53 |
| psydroid2 | 'esposo' and 'esposa' in Spanish | Mar 21 20:53 |
| matey | it doesnt get this interesting when talking to people in asia who learned english later | Mar 21 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | <MinceR> if the world adopted socialism, we'd all starve to death | Mar 21 20:53 |
| matey | but eastern europeans are amazing | Mar 21 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | Nobody will pay farmers a fair price for their food? There's no food. | Mar 21 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | There is state mandated prices for the no food though. | Mar 21 20:54 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 21 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | Here, have another Commie Famine. | Mar 21 20:54 |
| bnchs__ | matey: how? | Mar 21 20:54 |
| MinceR | you get to buy 0 units of FoodProductA for 0 times the state-mandated price of FoodProductA | Mar 21 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I've never been thrilled about the US system. | Mar 21 20:54 |
| bnchs__ | wait he was eastern european? | Mar 21 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | But at least there was SOMETHING to eat. | Mar 21 20:54 |
| matey | bnchs__ like this thing where spouse is allegedly gendered, or possibly weighted towards one gender more | Mar 21 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | And you don't get that in Communism. | Mar 21 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | How does Cuba manage? | Mar 21 20:55 |
| DaemonFC | They bust up your camera and expel you from the country if you take pictures of their supermarkets. | Mar 21 20:55 |
| bnchs__ | i didn't have cyrillic font | Mar 21 20:55 |
| DaemonFC | "Why is this written in Terrorist?" | Mar 21 20:55 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 21 20:55 |
| Бувай | capitalism has state mandated prices for the no food | Mar 21 20:55 |
| Бувай | its called taxes | Mar 21 20:56 |
| MinceR | https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/mildly-terrifying-images-6.jpg | Mar 21 20:57 |
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| Бувай | and they also have state mandated prices for the no food if they so chose | Mar 21 20:57 |
| matey | <DaemonFC> But at least there was SOMETHING to eat. <- daemonfc when was the worst commie famine in history? | Mar 21 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | They dole out food stamps pretty easily. | Mar 21 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | So it's not like mass starvation going on here. | Mar 21 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | <matey> <DaemonFC> But at least there was SOMETHING to eat. <- daemonfc when was the worst commie famine in history? | Mar 21 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | Well, most Communist uprisings have famines. | Mar 21 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | But there were questions about whether Mao's Great Leap Forward was designed to murder people and just look like a "transition" and "unfortunate". | Mar 21 20:59 |
| Бувай | most Communist uprisings are caused by famines. | Mar 21 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | They directed food to the people who they wanted to have some. | Mar 21 20:59 |
| Бувай | besides russian communism was just fascism under disguise | Mar 21 21:00 |
| Бувай | was and is | Mar 21 21:01 |
| techrights-news | This is written like an AMD/x86 commercial. Many quotes, not much fact-checking. https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/21/amd_epyc_cpu/ | Mar 21 21:01 |
| -altlink_587/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: theregister.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/21/amd_epyc_cpu/ | Mar 21 21:01 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | AMD rolls out new, pricier mega-cache Epyc server processors • The Register | Mar 21 21:01 | |
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| techrights-news | Worse than DRM? https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/21/epson_payments_issue/ | Mar 21 21:02 |
| -altlink_587/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: theregister.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/21/epson_payments_issue/ | Mar 21 21:02 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Users unable to print over Epson payments snafu • The Register | Mar 21 21:02 | |
| techrights-news | Is the new EARN IT Act “new wine in an old bottle”? Whatever it is, we’re not buying it. - Public Knowledge ⚓ https://publicknowledge.org/is-the-new-earn-it-act-new-wine-in-an-old-bottle-whatever-it-is-were-not-buying-it/ | Mar 21 21:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-publicknowledge.org | Is the new EARN IT Act “new wine in an old bottle”? Whatever it is, we’re not buying it. - Public Knowledge | Mar 21 21:05 | |
| techrights-news | Alleviating some legitimate concerns, Richard M. Stallman (RMS), the FSF’s indisputable and sole founder, will be giving an FSF talk in a few weeks, according to this latest FSF post http://techrights.org/2022/03/21/the-state-of-the-free-software-movement/ | Mar 21 21:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Richard M. Stallman (RMS) Did Not Speak at LibrePlanet, But He’ll Give an FSF Talk Very Soon (“The State of the Free Software Movement”) | Techrights | Mar 21 21:06 | |
| techrights-news | The management of the EPO is feeling stressed about the impending strike and the industrial actions which imperial the fake ‘productivity’ long touted by corrupt EPO management http://techrights.org/2022/03/21/epo-industrial-actions/ | Mar 21 21:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO Industrial Actions Are Already Working | Techrights | Mar 21 21:06 | |
| AdmFubar | https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/new-phishing-toolkit-lets-anyone-create-fake-chrome-browser-windows/ | Mar 21 21:07 |
| -altlink_587/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: bleepingcomputer.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/new-phishing-toolkit-lets-anyone-create-fake-chrome-browser-windows/ | Mar 21 21:07 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | New Phishing toolkit lets anyone create fake Chrome browser windows | Mar 21 21:07 | |
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| techrights-news | Rust is shit. https://gankra.github.io/blah/fix-rust-pointers/ | Mar 21 21:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gankra.github.io | Rust's Unsafe Pointer Types Need An Overhaul - Faultlore | Mar 21 21:07 | |
| AdmFubar | https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/western-digital-app-bug-gives-elevated-privileges-in-windows-macos/ | Mar 21 21:07 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | Western Digital app bug gives elevated privileges in Windows, macOS | Mar 21 21:07 | |
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| techrights-news | Funny how Rust "experts" typically huddle around Microsoft proprietary software instead of Freedom-respecting software. They also heavily censor: http://techrights.org/2021/04/20/mpaa-riaa-still-bossing-github/ http://techrights.org/2020/06/18/rusty-censorship/ http://techrights.org/2021/11/22/microsofts-github-is-hugely-toxic-and-it-censors-critics-of-corporations-or-people-sceptical-of-those-in-power/ | Mar 21 21:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft as a Censorship Machine Working to Undermine Free Software and Code Sharing (Also Sharing in General) | Techrights | Mar 21 21:09 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Beware Mozilla and Rust, They’re Not Friends of Free Software or Even of Free Speech | Techrights | Mar 21 21:09 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft’s GitHub is Hugely Toxic and It Censors Critics of Corporations or People Sceptical of Those in Power | Techrights | Mar 21 21:09 | |
| techrights-news | ICBM in "the cloud"... BOOM! Clown computing. https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/customer-success-stories-red-hat-openshift-paves-way-toward-hybrid-cloud | Mar 21 21:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | Customer success stories: Red Hat OpenShift paves the way toward hybrid cloud | Mar 21 21:10 | |
| techrights-news | "This is a weekly report from the CPE (Community Platform Engineering) Team. If you have any questions or feedback, please respond to this report or contact us on #redhat-cpe channel on libera.shat (libera shat/)." https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/cpe-weekly-update-week-of-march-14th-18th/ | Mar 21 21:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-communityblog.fedoraproject.org | CPE Weekly Update – Week of March 14th – 18th – Fedora Community Blog | Mar 21 21:11 | |
| techrights-news | Why is this scare back so suddenly? http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162251#comment-33144 | Mar 21 21:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines | Mar 21 21:13 | |
| techrights-news | GOG Games Festival is live with lots on sale and some demos up | GamingOnLinux ⚓ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/gog-games-festival-is-live-with-lots-on-sale-and-some-demos-up | Mar 21 21:13 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GOG Games Festival is live with lots on sale and some demos up | GamingOnLinux | Mar 21 21:13 | |
| techrights-news | Nontech cargo cults https://www.fosslife.org/importance-software-usability-testing | Mar 21 21:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosslife.org | The Importance of Software Usability Testing | Mar 21 21:15 | |
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| techrights-news | Many crap or "bullshit jobs" want us to make the false assumption that coders (software developers) cannot figure out how to make a decent GUI. They made up buzzwords for themselves, e.g. "UX". | Mar 21 21:16 |
| techrights-news | "Who is WordPress actually made for? Join our host, WordPress Executive Director Josepha Haden Chomphosy, as she explores this controversial question and three things that can help find the answer." https://wordpress.org/news/2022/03/episode-27-is-wordpress-made-for-me/ | Mar 21 21:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wordpress.org | Episode 27: Is WordPress Made for Me? – WordPress News | Mar 21 21:16 | |
| techrights-news | Mozilla pushing DRM and using DRM to market Firefox; deeply misguided company that does not wish to understand the core user(base) https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/extensions-addons/firefox-extension-helps-bring-movie-magic-to-theaters-near-you/ http://techrights.org/wiki/Mozilla | Mar 21 21:17 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Firefox Extension Helps Bring Movie Magic To Theaters Near You | Mar 21 21:17 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Mozilla - Techrights | Mar 21 21:17 | |
| techrights-news | Linux/kernel: scheduler updates for v5.18 https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/YjhZUezhnamHAl0H@gmail.com/ | Mar 21 21:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lore.kernel.org | [GIT PULL] scheduler updates for v5.18 - Ingo Molnar | Mar 21 21:19 | |
| psydruid | if AMD processors are so great, why do they need to be marketed so heavily? | Mar 21 21:19 |
| techrights-news | Rakudo Weekly News: 2022.12 Releasomatic https://rakudoweekly.blog/2022/03/21/2022-12-releasomatic/ | Mar 21 21:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rakudoweekly.blog | 2022.12 Releasomatic – Rakudo Weekly News | Mar 21 21:19 | |
| schestowitz-TR | psydruid: good point | Mar 21 21:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | psydruid: count how many AMD articles phoronix did today | Mar 21 21:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | I think it's 33% of the total | Mar 21 21:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe more | Mar 21 21:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | and some are AMD/Microsoft ads | Mar 21 21:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | I lost respect for Michael | Mar 21 21:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | he cherry-picks commits from AMD | Mar 21 21:20 |
| psydruid | I think there is more than meets the eye | Mar 21 21:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | or maybe they send him emails to highlight these to him | Mar 21 21:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | they bought him | Mar 21 21:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | AMD is run by IBMer | Mar 21 21:21 |
| psydruid | AMD is comparatively not doing as well as we have are made to believe and something is brewing | Mar 21 21:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | IBM is notorious for media emasculation | Mar 21 21:21 |
| psydruid | -we have | Mar 21 21:21 |
| psydruid | -have* | Mar 21 21:21 |
| techrights-news | TornadoVM 0.13 is out, but it needs to delete Microsoft GitHub to be taken seriously https://www.tornadovm.org/blog GitHub is proprietary prison with NSA in charge | Mar 21 21:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tornadovm.org | Blog | TornadoVM | Mar 21 21:23 | |
| psydruid | AMD is tied to Microsoft even more than Intel is | Mar 21 21:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | did you watch my video? | Mar 21 21:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | I mentioned pluton | Mar 21 21:23 |
| psydruid | I may not have watched it | Mar 21 21:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | they seem to compete over Windows | Mar 21 21:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | psydruid: it's from today | Mar 21 21:24 |
| schestowitz | The State of the Free Software Movementhttp://techrights.org/2022/03/21/selling-microsoft/ | Mar 21 21:24 |
| schestowitz | it's about phoronix | Mar 21 21:24 |
| schestowitz | the title does not say so | Mar 21 21:24 |
| techrights-news | "Composable code describes classes and functions that can be readily combined to create more powerful higher-level constructs. Composability compares favorably to alternative forms of code reuse such as object-oriented inheritance" https://www.cloudsavvyit.com/15780/what-is-composable-code-and-how-can-you-create-it/ | Mar 21 21:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cloudsavvyit.com | What Is Composable Code and How Can You Create It? – CloudSavvy IT | Mar 21 21:25 | |
| techrights-news | "You assume the role of CEO of a fresh electronics company tasked with hiring employees, designing your office and turning it all into a "ruthless money-making machine"." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/now-you-too-can-underpay-everyone-in-office-management-101 | Mar 21 21:26 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Now you too can underpay everyone in Office Management 101 | GamingOnLinux | Mar 21 21:26 | |
| psydruid | they have to compete over Windows because their fortunes are built on it | Mar 21 21:27 |
| techrights-news | How to conflate fakecoins with security, mostly by abusing the term "crypto" - Copyleft Currents ⚓ https://heathermeeker.com/2022/03/21/crypto-for-the-rest-of-us-part-ii-what-is-proof-of-stake-and-why-should-you-care/ | Mar 21 21:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-heathermeeker.com | Crypto for the Rest of Us, Part II: What is Proof of Stake and Why Should You Care? – Copyleft Currents | Mar 21 21:28 | |
| techrights-news | "ASF Board – management and oversight of the business affairs of the corporation in accordance with the Foundation's bylaws." https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the-apache-weekly-news-round18 | Mar 21 21:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.apache.org | The Apache Weekly News Round-up: week ending 18 March 2022 : The Apache Software Foundation Blog | Mar 21 21:29 | |
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| MinceR | (cat) https://ircz.de/p/22031865 | Mar 21 21:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.imgur.com/yFSRotv.jpg created on 2022-03-18 22:02:19.234839 | Mar 21 21:39 | |
| AdmFubar | https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2022/03/senators-introduce-right-to-repair-legislation.html | Mar 21 21:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nakedcapitalism.com | Senators Introduce Right to Repair Legislation | naked capitalism | Mar 21 21:39 | |
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| AdmFubar | https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/grubhub-lawsuit-dc-attorney-general | Mar 21 21:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-DC sues Grubhub over inflated menu prices - Protocol | Mar 21 21:54 | |
| AdmFubar | https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/biden-american-cybersecurity-russia | Mar 21 21:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Biden urges American firms to 'harden' cyber-defenses against Russia - Protocol | Mar 21 21:54 | |
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| AdmFubar | Love the blurb about apple maps... sounds like it was work like it usually does https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/apple-suffers-international-outage | Mar 21 21:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Apple services taken down by Monday outage - Protocol | Mar 21 21:55 | |
| AdmFubar | https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/google-settlement-anti-union-planning | Mar 21 21:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google settled case over anti-union planning docs - Protocol | Mar 21 21:55 | |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 21 21:56 |
| AdmFubar | Pot? Kettle? Kettle? Pot?? https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/meta-facebook-instagram-ban-russia | Mar 21 21:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Russia labels Meta 'extremist,' outlaws Facebook, Instagram - Protocol | Mar 21 21:56 | |
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| AdmFubar | https://www.rawstory.com/r-2656999569/ | Mar 21 21:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rawstory.com | Anonymous disrupts Kremlin's propaganda with anti-Putin printer attack: report - Raw Story - Celebrating 18 Years of Independent Journalism | Mar 21 21:59 | |
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| matey | /me tries a chopstick hack like rms | Mar 21 21:59 |
| matey | somehow my pair of chopsticks has turned into half a pair | Mar 21 22:00 |
| matey | so im holding a spoon like a chopstick and using the actual chopstick to complete the set | Mar 21 22:00 |
| matey | ive tried two spoons, it doesnt work as well as this | Mar 21 22:01 |
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| matey | /me would still prefer a proper set | Mar 21 22:02 |
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| prost | the internet is breaking down | Mar 21 22:07 |
| matey | mines been shit all evening | Mar 21 22:07 |
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| schestowitz-TR | hi prost | Mar 21 22:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | sharon prost :-)? | Mar 21 22:12 |
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| prost | https://wikiborn.com/sharon-prost/ | Mar 21 22:16 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wikiborn.com | Sharon Prost Wiki, Wife, Net Worth, Age, Height, Girlfriend, and Biography | Mar 21 22:16 | |
| prost | her air is blue | Mar 21 22:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | yes, we wrote about her many times | Mar 21 22:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | she is retired now | Mar 21 22:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | no, she was a chief judge at CAFC | Mar 21 22:17 |
| prost | hair is blue | Mar 21 22:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | eyes are blue | Mar 21 22:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | hair is brokwn, I think, and dyed | Mar 21 22:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | but that does not matter | Mar 21 22:17 |
| schestowitz | "Sharon Prost was born in the Newburyport, Massachusetts, United States in 1951. So Let’s check out some interesting details of him." | Mar 21 22:18 |
| schestowitz | She is 71 | Mar 21 22:18 |
| prost | thats what is in that page | Mar 21 22:18 |
| schestowitz | retired at 70 | Mar 21 22:18 |
| matey | her hair is blue, but can she code? | Mar 21 22:18 |
| schestowitz | ha, reference to bully db | Mar 21 22:18 |
| schestowitz | prost: seems like random crap | Mar 21 22:19 |
| schestowitz | " | Mar 21 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Shoe Size | Mar 21 22:19 |
| schestowitz | 8 UK | Mar 21 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Eye Color | Mar 21 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Black | Mar 21 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Hair Color | Mar 21 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Blue | Mar 21 22:19 |
| schestowitz | " | Mar 21 22:19 |
| schestowitz | That does not make sense | Mar 21 22:19 |
| schestowitz | even the height | Mar 21 22:19 |
| schestowitz | maybe some random nonsense | Mar 21 22:19 |
| schestowitz | the web is full of webspam | Mar 21 22:19 |
| matey | /me wonders how many links on gemini are to sites on the web | Mar 21 22:20 |
| matey | they should really measure that | Mar 21 22:20 |
| leah | i... was summoned. but i've been tidying my lab all day | Mar 21 22:21 |
| leah | i threw out... 50 bags of trash. possibly more. i'm going to have god-like efficiency now, when i wake up | Mar 21 22:21 |
| matey | but not rowe-bot efficiency | Mar 21 22:21 |
| leah | now, i'm going to become a rowebot. i'm insane when organized | Mar 21 22:21 |
| leah | thanks again for the chat earlier | Mar 21 22:22 |
| matey | im still excited about it | Mar 21 22:22 |
| matey | particularly the news | Mar 21 22:22 |
| matey | i was walking outside and feeling a bit glum | Mar 21 22:22 |
| matey | and then i thought about homemade cpus and smiled a little | Mar 21 22:22 |
| matey | true story | Mar 21 22:22 |
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| matey | sodding "highspeed" | Mar 21 22:27 |
| matey | its been dialup all day | Mar 21 22:28 |
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| matey | did anyone notice if quiliro gave a talk about rms at libreplanet? it would have been a lightning talk | Mar 21 22:32 |
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| bnchs__ | i'm trying to maintain a decade-old project | Mar 21 23:06 |
| bnchs__ | well a decade-old abandoned one | Mar 21 23:07 |
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| psydroid8 | if it compiles ship it | Mar 21 23:09 |
| bnchs__ | it doesn't | Mar 21 23:10 |
| bnchs__ | it's mostly due to outdated automake | Mar 21 23:11 |
| psydroid8 | I would replace the build system with something sane(r) | Mar 21 23:12 |
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| DaemonFC | https://store.steampowered.com/app/1341890/Corridor_7_Alien_Invasion/ | Mar 21 23:33 |
| -altlink_587/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: steampowered.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://store.steampowered.com/app/1341890/Corridor_7_Alien_Invasion/ | Mar 21 23:33 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-store.steampowered.com | Corridor 7: Alien Invasion on Steam | Mar 21 23:33 | |
| DaemonFC | The game ran fine on my 486 with DOS. | Mar 21 23:33 |
| DaemonFC | Steam says it needs Windows 7? | Mar 21 23:33 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: Obviously there's a compatibility layer inside, it might. | Mar 21 23:34 |
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| DaemonFC | "The Russian tabloid Komsomolskaya Pravda published, then later removed, a report that the Russian Ministry of Defense had recorded 9,861 Russian Armed forces deaths in the war in Ukraine. | Mar 21 23:36 |
| DaemonFC | The report from the tabloid originally read, "According to the Russian Defense Ministry, during the special operation in Ukraine, the Russian Armed Forces lost 9861 people killed and 16153 wounded." | Mar 21 23:36 |
| DaemonFC | CNN analyzed the HTML code in the website which indicates that the article was published on Monday at 12:09 a.m. Moscow time. | Mar 21 23:36 |
| DaemonFC | Seconds after CNN read the original article — at 9:56 p.m. Moscow time according to the HTML code — the story was updated and removed all references to the death count. That update on the outlet's website came shortly after the article began to get attention from social media posts, which referenced the death count." | Mar 21 23:36 |
| XRevan86 | KP claims to have been hacked. | Mar 21 23:37 |
| XRevan86 | They're full of shit either way, but which way it is is a question without an answer. | Mar 21 23:38 |
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