IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, July 25, 2022

matey

Key document missing from records unsealed in "Painkiller" lawsuit

matey

www.ilind.net/2020/11/27/key-document-missing-from-records-unsealed-in-painkiller-lawsuit/

matey

After the Civil Beat Law Center filed its motion asking that the sealed documents be disclosed, the government responded. In general, according to the response filed in court, it did not oppose unsealing of the documents in the case, although more time was requested in order to make any redactions thought to be necessary.

matey

so an unsealed case can have sealed documents

phanes

yep looks like todd tried to keep "something" from being sealed. it looks like it's further down.

matey

and documents which are unsealed by a motion can be redacted which are "thought to be necessary"

Jul 25 01:18

matey

rather as the redactions are thought necessary

Jul 25 01:18

matey

so theres at least three levels of revealing documents to the system

Jul 25 01:18

matey

sealed case, sealed/unsealed document, unsealed+redacted (and presumably unredacted too)

Jul 25 01:19

MinceR

(cat) https://rimgo.bcow.xyz/gallery/40LjHVQ

Jul 25 01:19

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Jul 25 01:19

phanes

there's quite a bit of content in the defense submission here, but very little when you filter out all the emotional appeals, rhetoric, and non-relevant statements

Jul 25 01:20

phanes

the rest after that is just case precedent citations for why a material contest should not take place (anti-slapp)

Jul 25 01:21

phanes

it could be that the meat comes out later, im still only a few case files in

Jul 25 01:22

matey

this is interesting too, if relevant to anything

Jul 25 01:23

matey

www.publicjustice.net/comes-sealing-court-records-presumption-public-access-requires-just-say-no/

Jul 25 01:23

matey

This is actually a fairly new development in the Ninth Circuit. For years, the Court has recognized a common law right of access to court records. (5) Under the common law, court records can be sealed on a showing of a "compelling need" for secrecy sufficient to overcome the public's interest in access.

Jul 25 01:23

matey

i guess its easier to seal than ever? from a cursory glance at that

Jul 25 01:24

matey

but it could say just the opposite of course

Jul 25 01:24

phanes

yeah its kind of bizarre how they're holding public interest to include "accusing someone of being a rapist with no direct evidence" but also holding it to be excluding things like critical testimony to establish credible merits of a case involving that same interest

Jul 25 01:25

matey

im not even looking to see if these are in the right country, unless it says something like "british" or "co.uk" and thus obviously doesnt pertain to usa

Jul 25 01:25

matey

its possible theyre only sealing certain items that pertain to actual personal privacy

Jul 25 01:26

matey

like the name of a jane doe mentioned somewhere

Jul 25 01:26

phanes

i would hold that to be a matter of publiuc interest as well

Jul 25 01:26

phanes

*public

matey

of course this nearly implies i have faith in the system-- actually, i simply consider that even a broken system gets something right occasionally

phanes

for the same reasons that the case files themselves are

matey

<phanes> i would hold that to be a matter of publiuc interest as well <- i would expect there to be differences of opinion about this

matey

public interest i suppose, is everything be public. all sealed documents would be exceptions, based on certain criteria

Jul 25 01:28

matey

so it may be in the public interest, its simply a matter of what criteria are deemed most important for inclusion/exclusion

Jul 25 01:28

matey

which i expect to vary among different people

Jul 25 01:28

matey

its sort of the job of a court to (ultimately) choose a side/verdict or even to choose when not to choose

phanes

yeah

DaemonFC

The list of "Debian suicides and accidents" is a bit ridiculous.

phanes

for the purposes of this i dont see any path forward but to note it and then not factor in sealed testimony or evidence

DaemonFC

They just follow people around making car accidents happen, apparently.

matey

but lets say for the sake of argument that it was a decision that tried to balance public interest and corporate interest

matey

naturally i would assume they side with the corporations (more often than not)

matey

since those are their real masters

matey

im not sure whether that relates to this instance but i dont assume it does

Jul 25 01:30

DaemonFC

schestowitz The cops on Grindr thing really cracks me up.

Jul 25 01:32

matey

but to note it and then not factor in sealed testimony <- if i had to guess, they havent sealed any information you couldnt extrapolate from another source

matey

its a barrier, but a barrier to something that isnt top secret after all

DaemonFC

Like, if the conversation starts out with or leads to someone you don't know in a chat box on your phone asking if you'd participate in an action that is obviously illegal, why would you talk to them?

DaemonFC

Why wouldn't you hit "block user" immediately?

matey

maybe it would lead to another clue, maybe it wouldnt

matey

at a guess, youre not missing much

matey

"this is the one piece of information they need to solve the mystery!" "oh, better seal that then! after all, we totally give a shit about these complete strangers on both sides"

DaemonFC

Interacting with the fake accounts at all is a mistake, because as soon as you do, they'll all start messaging you more.

DaemonFC

THen you'll have to start blocking dozens of them.

matey

im being a little cynical, but this (imo) is probably realistic (except for the jokey sarcasm meant to illustrate likelihoods etc)

DaemonFC

The police accounts usually go for "sex with a minor", but then if they give up, windows will start appearing offering you drugs.

Jul 25 01:35

matey

if this were a corporate case, throw out all benefit of the doubt and assume the fucking worst

Jul 25 01:35

matey

and obvoiusly if you want to factor in 3rd party corporate sponsor/testimony you can do that too. i probably wouldnt, but maybe it depends on the mood im in

Jul 25 01:35

DaemonFC

It's very important that they string you as far along with it as possible before the arrest. The longer you go along with it and with the less prompting, the lower and lower the odds you'll claim entrapment later. Like, they'd say meet up at a Wendy's so that they can throw in more charges (traveling) and show that you did something other than "talk". I've noticed how they operate, and none...

Jul 25 01:37

DaemonFC

...of that was new with Grindr. They just took what they were doing before and started doing it on Grindr.

Jul 25 01:37

DaemonFC

Their tactics don't really have to change because people now are as stupid as they ever were, maybe more.

Jul 25 01:38

DaemonFC

schestowitz Something really is going on with the "labor market".

Jul 25 01:38

DaemonFC

Probably not what the "news" keeps saying.

Jul 25 01:39

DaemonFC

Taco Bell almost had to close yesterday because it was down to just the manager and one other person and she had to go help make burritos and stuff. She told everyone coming in to use the kiosk or they couldn't order anything because she didn't have anyone to run the register.

Jul 25 01:39

DaemonFC

I doubt they're hiring and "can't find anyone". It's more like, "labor is getting more expensive so now in addition to being the manager and making burritos, you don't have a cashier. Congratulations on the raise!".

Jul 25 01:40

matey

you could easily spend days just reading shit on sealed, unsealed, sealing and unsealing documents at various levels of various courts

Jul 25 01:41

matey

not surprising-- simplicity for a lawyer is like

phanes

half of reichwein's defense submissions detail twitter posts that reichwein made accusing appelbaum of things, almost like they are anticipating that appelbaum will provide supporting testimoney on todd's behalf

matey

"i know darth vader really has you annoyed, but remember if you kill him then youll be unemployed"-- weird al,

matey

yoda"

matey

almost like they are anticipating that appelbaum will provide supporting testimoney <- i bet that wasnt hard to foresee

Jul 25 01:43

matey

hell it was probably discussed on twitter. these are tech people not lawyers

Jul 25 01:43

matey

and there are probably several impulsive people on both sides

Jul 25 01:43

matey

a less impulsive person would talk to a lawyer, THEN be told "dont say anything now" then actually follow the advice

Jul 25 01:44

phanes

its just bizarre that so many of these supporting evidnece submissions by the defense in a defamation case brought on by todd would be twitter posts by reichwein/lovecruft accusing appelbaum of things, and not todd

Jul 25 01:44

matey

who knows if anyone did any of those. let alone all 3

Jul 25 01:44

matey

"and not todd" <- i dunno, maybe thats how the evidence actually is (proportionally)

DaemonFC

A good attorney will tell you that if you're the defendant, you don't say anything unless it's through them.

matey

or maybe some attorney thought that was a great strategy

schestowitz[TR2]

<DaemonFC> Probably not what the "news" keeps saying.

schestowitz[TR2]

an oligarch's noise

matey

or maybe the todd stuff is exactly what got sealed, while the applelbaum stuff was-- already in public testimony, so sealing it would be like sealing information about nixon being involved with watergate

matey

<schestowitz[TR2]> an oligarch's noise <- whats that

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matey

/mw wonders if it sounds like the model t again

phanes

matey, tht certainly could be the case. im sure reasons will pop out as references to submissions are made in documents further along in the timeline

DaemonFC

schestowitz This apartment isn't in the most fantastic neighborhood. There's gang wars going on now. Someone shot one of their muckity mucks at a gas station the other day.

DaemonFC

50 years and plenty of humidity and leaky faucets and shit have taken their toll on the unit.

DaemonFC

But we'll probably sign another lease.

matey

i bet if you just work around it youll come across exactly the same information without trying

DaemonFC

I just don't see an alternative that's not worse in some way.

matey

how youll know its the same information is another matter-- though not important to the point imo

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DaemonFC

The check engine light on the Buick is on.

DaemonFC

I'm suspecting there's a vacuum line leak somewhere.

DaemonFC

I'm gonna have them smoke test it.

DaemonFC

Well, it came on and went off.

DaemonFC

The car was telling me check gas cap again. I went through three of them and put an OEM one on finally and it stopped saying that for a few months.

phanes

it's an old buick, those things run on damned souls anyway, you'll get another 50 years out of it with the CE light on

DaemonFC

After I filled up this afternoon it hasn't said anything like that again.

DaemonFC

Yeah, but I can't pass emissions.

DaemonFC

Maybe I can eek by if it's an occasional problem.

matey

those things run on damned souls anyway <- i dont think we will hit peak damned souls anytime soon

DaemonFC

Fuel is more stable in the winter than in the summer.

phanes

oh are you in one of those states that thinks the right to travel is not a right to travel

matey

why are the green energy people not touting this

DaemonFC

Just go get my smog test done in January when the car's not doing it.

DaemonFC

But if it's something cheap, I'll just go ahead and fix it.

matey

oh, probably because its their souls too

https://danielpocock.com/ubuntu-underage-girl-debian-mass-resignations/

DaemonFC

The administration has been demanding more and more of this ethanol 15 stuff.

Jul 25 01:51

DaemonFC

And that's especially unstable in the Summer, which is why they weren't selling it.

Jul 25 01:51

DaemonFC

So if they're sneaking it in on us, it could very well be leaking past the cap and causing the engine lights to come on.

Jul 25 01:51

matey

the primary drain on energy ressources is INVADE ALL THE THINGS!

Jul 25 01:52

matey

increase your tyre pressure-- save some oil-- kill some civilians in a distant land

Jul 25 01:52

matey

an earth day message from the dept of defense

Jul 25 01:53

matey

lower your tyre pressure, starve a drone

Jul 25 01:54

phanes

yeah imagine if they diverted all those defense budgets to building terraforming technology and offworld mining

Jul 25 01:54

matey

lower your tyre pressure, starve a drone <- this wont work, but its kind of funny

Jul 25 01:55

DaemonFC

Jul 25 01:56

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Jul 25 01:56

DaemonFC

Is he alleging that they're using the Outreach to Women thing to sex traffic teenage girls?

Jul 25 01:57

matey

:) theres a "yolo" county in davis california

Jul 25 01:58

matey

i bet theres a shitload of dumb people doing dumb shit there

Jul 25 01:58

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Jul 25 01:59

matey

"welcome to yolo-- home of the tide pod challenge"

Jul 25 01:59

techrights-news

Kernel prepatch 5.19-rc8 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167613#comment-34424

Jul 25 01:59

matey

its situation between omg county (a very posh suburb of yolo) and wtf county

techrights-news

Delete Windows and get an OS made to actually work for YOU https://www.maketecheasier.com/windows-11-search-bar-not-working/

matey

omg county recently had a failed petition to change its name to o...m...g...

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DaemonFC

Mozilla is turning into more and more of a joke all the time.

Jul 25 02:01

schestowitz[TR2]

because talent lkeave

Jul 25 02:01

DaemonFC

Who outsources all of their infrastructure to the company that already killed Netscape and the company that's currently wiping out their only real product?

Jul 25 02:01

schestowitz[TR2]

it'as ann inertia thing

matey

whos ann inertia

schestowitz[TR2]

sorry, typos

matey

/me checks ao

schestowitz[TR2]

orgs that loise talent

schestowitz[TR2]

and elevate shits

schestowitz[TR2]

drain our all remaining people

schestowitz[TR2]

morale

DaemonFC

They're putting MDN behind a paywall now.

schestowitz[TR2]

and only the shit stays

schestowitz[TR2]

a death spiral

matey

nothing yet https://www.abuseonline.org/database/secondary-actors/Inertia,%20Ann/

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DaemonFC

You didn't really need to pay to learn HTML 3.2, or even 4.

DaemonFC

3.2 was so simple you could learn it pretty much by looking at the document that defined the standard.

DaemonFC

Without buying a shitload of expensive books.

matey

<schestowitz[TR2]> orgs that loise talent <- sfc, fsf, yolo...

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matey

id say osi because bullshit is a talent

DaemonFC

The idiots that wanted to do "semantic web" stuff in XHTML finally rode again and got it into HTML 5.

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matey

microsoft initiative

DaemonFC

We're well past Web languages having any clear meaning as to what happens when you go to use something.

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DaemonFC

schestowitz I think almost everyone is walking on thin ice these days.

Jul 25 02:06

matey

remember that story where microsoft completely took something over, but then after that it was fine?

Jul 25 02:06

matey

me neither

DaemonFC

Everyone is in a pissed off mood and just quick to get what they're doing done so they can go home.

schestowitz[TR2]

DaemonFC: we are doing ok.

schestowitz[TR2]

because e spend so little

DaemonFC

The demeanor of the people I run into is really really bad.

schestowitz[TR2]

btw, what I said about abour orgs collapsing like that

schestowitz[TR2]

a la mozilla

schestowitz[TR2]

happened in our company 3 years ago

schestowitz[TR2]

and I plan to leave by year's end

DaemonFC

schestowitz Did you have a chance to skim over the Monkeypox post?

DaemonFC

I was trying to avoid allegations of homophobia, but whenever you touch an issue like this, look out.

schestowitz[TR2]

I see it in my rss reader now

schestowitz[TR2]

will readit in a moment

matey

they should have taken the mission more siriusly

schestowitz[TR2]

first the urgent stuff, releases...

schestowitz[TR2]

bulletin cutoff 30 mins

schestowitz[TR2]

need to hurry

schestowitz[TR2]

biab

DaemonFC

People don't need a good reason to attack you over it. I got accused of being an anti-vaxxer the other day and banned from an entire Discord server for saying there was no compelling medical reason to get circumcised.

schestowitz[TR2]

was working 4 nights ina row (work)

schestowitz[TR2]

off work now till weds

DaemonFC

When the topic came up somehow.

DaemonFC

I have no idea what the fuck is going on with the Gates Foundation doing circumcisions in Africa.

DaemonFC

It hasn't helped.

DaemonFC

AIDS is worse than ever and they got at least 12 million people roped in with that, probably more.

techrights-news

"Josh and Kurt talk about Microsoft creating a policy of not allowing anyone to charge for open source in their app store" https://opensourcesecurity.io/2022/07/24/episode-333-open-source-is-unfair/ Microsoft are criminals. NEVER LET criminals make the rules!!!!

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matey

open source eats its own

matey

usually that pertains to other people, but i suppose it could also refer to an org collapsing

DaemonFC

No, people who are not even "open source" people come along and start infighting, and then leave and let communities collapse.

matey

"lets just gnaw on these supporting beams" "sure, why not? they look tasty to me!"

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DaemonFC

Mr. GULAG, legend in his own mind, thinks he contributes a lot to that.

Jul 25 02:12

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Jul 25 02:12

DaemonFC

But it's really Microsoft and a paid troll army of people like him.

Jul 25 02:12

DaemonFC

schestowitz I mentioned on my blog that there's only 3-4 Web sites I even use anymore with any frequency.

DaemonFC

It's gotten this bad.

DaemonFC

The government gives it away so people get brainwashed and spied on.

schestowitz[TR2]

same here, except RSS

DaemonFC

There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

XRevan86

DaemonFC: Maybe they don't want to admit that their own genitals were operated on for no good reason.

DaemonFC

Very easy to keep the poors under control.

DaemonFC

Give away "free" internet so they don't dump it trying to save a little money and start thinking too much.

Jul 25 02:15

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Jul 25 02:15

schestowitz[TR2]

typo

Jul 25 02:15

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Jul 25 02:16

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Jul 25 02:16

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Jul 25 02:16

techrights-news

"Thoughts on the “gay community” and Monkeypox as “experts” recommend vaccination to gay men first. WARNING: This post will be controversial and likely offensive to LGBT people. I’m gay myself, and I don’t like what I’m seeing" https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/07/24/thoughts-on-monkeypox-as-experts-recommend-vaccination-to-gay-men-first-plus-why-monkeypox-is-in-the-media-in-the-first-place/

Jul 25 02:17

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Jul 25 02:17

matey

protip: if success is the goal, dont give your company "SOS" as initials

Jul 25 02:20

matey

/me doesnt think roy will take it personally if hes out anyway

Jul 25 02:20

matey

if its been like that for 3 years we are already at the cynical stage of things

Jul 25 02:21

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Jul 25 02:24

DaemonFC

I found another dangling part of the SeaMonkey GUI left over from a long time ago that does not do anything now.

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DaemonFC

The address book has an "IM" button and it apparently launched whatever was setup to handle "aim" at one point. :)

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schestowitz[TR2]

matey: ^

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phanes

matey, no reference to missing exhibits in reichwein motion to strike

techrights-news

Morale low, not many people attended at all. Maybe that's what happens when SPI bags bribes from Microsoft and then pays lawyers to take volunteers' sites OFFLINE https://www.debian.org/News/2022/20220724

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matey

i dont know how that works. maybes its recursive and they seal the motion to seal

matey

which would be terrible for record keeping but that assumes record keeping is based on the public view, and i bet its not

matey

though id just assume bet its arbitrary

matey

also showing WHO motioned to seal seems... telling?

matey

which in a reasonable world (heh) they WOULD seal as its a big fucking hint (i guess?)

matey

if i actually knew about this shit, i could do better

phanes

matey, maybe; the motion references all exhibits present in her testimony but none of the sealed ones, even passively

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matey

but ive learned at least one thing: sealed doc in an UNsealed case are a thing

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matey

the motion references all exhibits present in her testimony but none of the sealed ones, even passively <- sure, why not

phanes

im not getting the impression these are sealed but that they were removed before subnmitting and not cleaned up

Jul 25 02:31

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Counterculture should not mean being "weird" but being against an unjust system that mistreats and abuses people

Jul 25 02:31

matey

that sounds really sloppy

matey

does that happen?

phanes

yeah anybody sucks at editing documents can do that

matey

hmm

matey

news to me

https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2022/07/24/waukegan-man-armed-with-knife-allegedly-threatened-to-kill-family-members-after-finding-his-pizza-had-been-eaten/

DaemonFC

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phanes

its like removing a chapter of content in a book youre writing and forgetting to remove it from the table of contents

phanes

i can see in the case records motions to seal and they leave a whole for sealed documents so its obvious when the court sealed something

phanes

these are just simply not present

phanes

in a document that is present

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phanes

*hole

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matey

the latest version of gnu parallel is called "roe vs wade" https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/parallel.git

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schestowitz[TR2]

no wade, roy!

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Today’s 𝘛𝘶𝘹 𝘔𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴 Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167624

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"after almost 3 years of Covid, lockdowns and more." COVID-19 is NOT over, folks. https://laysrodriguesdev.wordpress.com/2022/07/24/im-going-to-akademy-2022/

Jul 25 02:42

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"The second sub-activity of the first activity is swapping the number cards to make consecutive cards 10’s complements of each other" https://samarthrajwrites.wordpress.com/2022/07/25/swapping-tens-complement-week-6-7/

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matey

http://www.tuxmachines.org/print/167619 5 Best Proven Systemd-Free Linux Distributions You Can Rely On

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matey

thats an accurate article

matey

there are no "proven" systemd-free "linux distributions" you can rely on

matey

and there are none listed

matey

but the title is wrong

schestowitz[TR2]

e love alpine

schestowitz[TR2]

one nice-to-have would be manpages

schestowitz[TR2]

they're missing by defauslt

schestowitz[TR2]

default

matey

well the biggest problem with alpine is the kernel, but i said that already

schestowitz[TR2]

apk let's you add what's missing

matey

and i said it wasnt their fault

schestowitz[TR2]

and cpan

matey

if the linux kernel is a

matey

the article lists no distributions-- work in progress?

matey

oh ok its a link to this https://linuxiac.com/best-systemd-free-linux-distributions/

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matey

i looked for that, didnt find it the first time

matey

hmm

MinceR

they also keep writing "ID 1" when they mean "PID 1"

matey

1. none are alpine 2. ive used three of the 5 3. that does it for me

matey

void: no | devuan: no | mx: no

schestowitz[TR2]

matey: id mubarak

schestowitz[TR2]

MinceR I meant

matey

accidental hindi?

matey

roy you just said "id congratulations" more or less

Jul 25 02:50

matey

xrevan can probably correct further

Jul 25 02:50

schestowitz[TR2]

matey: eid

matey

as he seems to basically be real lifes answer to the star trek universal translator

schestowitz[TR2]

pid

schestowitz[TR2]

eid

schestowitz[TR2]

matey

(other than google and whatever else)

matey

Nitrux is based on Debian’s unstable branch <- nope!

matey

and slackware, which is the entry that offends me the least, but i just cant be arsed

matey

my associates dont seem to care for it, fwtw

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"People aged under 40 should not drink alcohol and consumption guidelines should be changed, study says" gemini://midnight.pub/posts/1084

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[cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D302.jpg

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[cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D653.jpg

matey

i ditched void because (like mx, also listed) its entirely based on github

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Putting ourselves out of business gemini://alexschroeder.ch/page/2022-07-24%20Putting%20ourselves%20out%20of%20business

Jul 25 02:54

matey

its also just a pain in the fucking arse. but mincer likes it, and hes hard to please, so thats a point for void next to the one against

Jul 25 02:54

MinceR

well, i'm not 100% satisfied with it either

Jul 25 02:54

MinceR

but i haven't found a GNU/Linux distro i like more, unless i count Bedrock, but Bedrock still depends on Void the way i use it

matey

from you that could be a cash prize

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"We may have become a bit plant obsessed as of late. This weekend we picked up the following plants for our yard and future garden..." gemini://gemini.cyberbot.space/gemlog/2022-07-24-plants.gmi growing one's own food is commendable!

MinceR

i'll still need to figure out how to produce an initramfs that does the right thing with FDE

matey

"the mincer test"

matey

"im not 100% satisfied" SHIP IT!

https://linuxiac.com/best-systemd-free-linux-distributions/

matey

"what if he hates it" "then we do another rc, until weve done at least 5, then we ship anyway"

Jul 25 02:56

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"We are hoping to be able to cultivate a nice collection of edibles on our property over time. So far we have 7 different plants that are edible, maybe 8 if you count Hibiscus. Right now the edibles we have are 2 guava trees, 2 varieties of mint, basil, cocoplum, prickly pear, lime and calamondin." gemini://gemini.cyberbot.space/gemlog/2022-07-24-plants.gmi

Jul 25 02:56

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As the price of food goes up, so will the incentive to grow one's own food. As the prices of energy soar (scam, cartel, price-fixing, faked shortages, at least partly) efficient devices, inc. computers, will become more attractive. The latter helps GNU/Linux.

Jul 25 02:57

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Ask advices about smartphone changing when you try to remove Google of your life gemini://midnight.pub/posts/1085

Jul 25 02:59

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Jul 25 02:59

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Gulag (or GAFAM) does not enhance your life. Looking up stuff on the Web is no longer search, it's too heavily curated and manipulated. It manipulates YOU.

Jul 25 03:00

matey

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxiac.com | 5 Best Proven Systemd-Free Linux Distributions You Can Rely On

matey

so heres what i did about systemd

matey

in 2014, i used debian stable mostly-- and on my main development machine i used testing

matey

i did an update, rc.local was disabled (but still set executable)

matey

and nothing told me why

matey

note that you have to manually respond to something as revolutionary as tzdata updates

Jul 25 03:04

matey

maybe i could have read more, hey, it was testing, but maybe tell me before you disable rc.local with some bullshit

Jul 25 03:04

matey

i think they handled it poorly

Jul 25 03:05

matey

from then it was pretty much "fuck u, n00b" and i had spent some time collecting computers and giving them away for free to promote debian

Jul 25 03:05

matey

i stopped doing that after a couple hours of determining why rc.local mysteriously didnt run on boot

Jul 25 03:05

matey

you see i also helped people with these free computers

matey

and i knew the minute i saw systemd that this wasnt debian anymore

matey

debian was a responsible os

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matey

and this made it a complete pile of shit-- a decision i havent changed since

matey

it is AGGRESSIVELY a pile of shit, designed to say "fuck you and your mother" to anyone who DOESNT want a pile of shit

matey

it takes YEARS to try to work around this, for some reason.

matey

sure you change pid1 back, but its never the same again

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☞ IPFS local node stats (bandwidth since last reset) calculated. TotalIn: 13 MB • TotalOut: 2.2 MB

matey

systemd behaves like a permanent injury to any distro it infects the developers of

matey

devuans had SO MUCH fun un-eating their shit

matey

but hey, i like a challenge

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matey

in late feb/early march 2015 i installed devuan on my main dev machine

matey

that was 7 years ago

matey

oh i was excited about devuan initially

matey

i gave money, equipment

matey

tried derivatives, tried to always try the latest version of it

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matey

which always sucked more than the pre-alpha roio created in feb 2015

matey

devuan sucks

matey

roios "not even trying" version was better

matey

he was modest as fuck about it. i dont know WTF they did

matey

i read mailing lists at devuan AND debian endlessly

matey

ive tried a bunch of devuan derives and i swear, derivs of derivs

Jul 25 03:11

matey

ive tried devuan competitors

Jul 25 03:11

matey

i even remixed debian and live and trisquel live so that they had sysvinit (upstart for trisquel) as pid 1

matey

in the live image.

schestowitz[TR2]

devuan did not pick up wifi on myn new laptop

schestowitz[TR2]

devuan was my first choice

matey

completely automated-- so that you could redistribute the "distro" as a SCRIPT (hundreds of k) instead of an iso

matey

but more to the point

matey

i spent literally half a decade fighting systemd

matey

and the WHOLE TIME people were saying

matey

this is hopeless, just use bsd, this will kill gnu/linux

matey

ive been hearing that since 2014.

matey

this is from former debian users like myself.

matey

but when im determined, i put the effort in

matey

half a decade is long enough to fight a piece of shit like systemd for me

matey

toward the end i started lamenting that bsd probably wasnt ready

matey

it wouldnt do what i needed

matey

but id like to move someday

matey

eventually i got bored (and ran out of good base distros to remaster into my os of choice)

matey

and i finally decided to try freebsd

matey

why freebsd-- the three biggest are free, net, open

matey

open is the closest to hyperbola, the only fsf-esque bsd project from fsf-blessed devs

matey

open is what they base hyperbola on

matey

i saved it for last

matey

if it didnt work, and i was sure it wasnt ready-- id be sad

matey

very sad

MinceR

25 041244 < schestowitz[TR2]> devuan did not pick up wifi on myn new laptop

MinceR

they don't ship nonfree firmware in the installer

MinceR

which is sometimes painful

matey

openbsd is based on netbsd, so its the next closest

MinceR

i used to work around this using Wi-Pi

matey

<MinceR> they don't ship nonfree firmware in the installer <- they did initially

matey

youre thinking of debian. devuan adds that stuff

matey

unless this has changed

MinceR

i thought devuan did the same

matey

actually centaurian dan, who makes the non-live installer

matey

demanded that they include those drivers/modules/fw or he refused to work on it

matey

so thats always been in devuan

MinceR

matey

but that also means its less free than debian

matey

in an rms way

matey

but yeah copying fw over usb is FUN

matey

especially since the installer isnt a full live a lot of the time

matey

and when it is, you have other problems

matey

fucking debian

mjg59_

phanes: Again, going to ask you to stop deadnaming people

matey

<mjg59_> not a joke, when referring to a court document, and not simply in social interactions

matey

arent there situations where using someones legal name is warranted?

matey

and why is this not one of them

mjg59_

matey: Yeah, this is one of them

matey

in general, i think deadnaming should be avoided for the same reasons you think so

mjg59_

Eh let me rephrase that

Jul 25 03:21

mjg59_

I think I ended up eliding some nuance there

Jul 25 03:21

matey

/me would rather there be guidelines on this most people can agree on and be happy with, whether or not they are followed

Jul 25 03:22

matey

most people (including those with the deadnames, of course)

Jul 25 03:22

matey

i tried freebsd, and it actually gave me a lot of hope

matey

at least at first

matey

i knew it was the farthest (of 3) from what i wanted to actually move to

mjg59_

"Legal name" isn't a completely solid concept in the US - there's a variety of ways to express names, and there may be inconsistencies there (eg, people may gain addional names for extra-legal reasons - it's not unusual for Catholics to adopt an additional name after confirmation)

matey

but thats why i tried it first-- if it sucked, no big loss

matey

<mjg59_> "Legal name" isn't a completely solid concept in the US <- how about the name on the document / case name then

mjg59_

But the name that is used in court filings does not need to represent what's on someone's birth certificate (eg, a lawsuit against a company may not involve any humans at all)

phanes

mjg59_, again, it appears to be the legal name of the person we're talking about. if you have a proof of name change, which is a completely solid concept in the US, then I am happy to update. Until then I assume you're just looking for a way to stir a victim profile to your current position of being held accountable.

phanes

real names will be used on this

mjg59_

"real names"?

Jul 25 03:26

phanes

yes and i have almost no patience for any squirming around to try to obfuscate the real identies of who is involved

Jul 25 03:26

mjg59_

The name used on a court filing is a name that identifies the individual

matey

freebsd worked better than i hoped, but not as well as i needed, and even if it DID work as i needed, it was NOT what i wanted (i knew that before installing)

phanes

mjg59_, that's the name being used

mjg59_

phanes: Yes, but you're not a court

matey

but i was having fun, so i tried to install it on more machines

mjg59_

phanes: And the name is clearly corrected in later filings

phanes

mjg59_, ive made my position clear on this, evidence of name change, or steam about it

phanes

mjg59_, in any case, can you comment on who captured this screenshot in exhibit 9: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.340308/gov.uscourts.cand.340308.20.3.pdf

phanes

was that captured from "lovecruft"'s phone?

mjg59_

phanes: eg, https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.340308/gov.uscourts.cand.340308.53.0.pdf - the court refers to the defendant as Lovecruft

mjg59_

phanes: You picking a name other than the name the court is perfectly happy to use is a choice on your part

matey

i wasnt able to get freebsd working equally well on each machine i tried it on

matey

and even if i did, it wasnt what i wanted

matey

too close to github

MinceR

how did freebsd go?

mjg59_

phanes: I have no idea whatsoever where that was captured from

matey

usably, but on some machines it didnt install properly

phanes

mjg59_, how convenient.

schestowitz[TR2]

MinceR: to Microsoft

matey

but now the ball was rolling, and freebsd went better than expected, so

matey

fuck it, lets see if netbsd works better on the machines where freebsd didnt

matey

netbsd is what openbsd is forked from, and its farther from github than freebsd

matey

so its the #2 option for me

matey

in terms of what i tried and in terms of rank

MinceR

schestowitz[TR2]: i know that, i'm asking about how it worked on the PC(s) it was tested on

matey

netbsd got me farther than freebsd, and it was closer to what i wanted anyway

matey

note that im very aware that a different collection of machines could have yielded different results

matey

its a bit arbitrary, i suppose-- but its what ive got

phanes

mjg59_, any way to find out?

phanes

it is a rather pivotal detail

matey

there was ONE machine i coudlnt coax netbsd onto

mjg59_

phanes: You could ask them?

matey

so i bit the bullet and tried openbsd

matey

it had the least annoying / intricate installer

phanes

mjg59_, is it an obvious enough thing that you understand why I'm asking?

mjg59_

phanes: Not really, no

matey

it worked on the machine that freebsd and netbsd didnt like

matey

for whatever reason

matey

on x86 it works REALLY well for me

phanes

mjg59_, look at the colors and page orientation of the messages

matey

for sbcs the documentation is terrible and my associates recommend netbsd for that, for now

matey

at least some do

matey

id rather use openbsd but if netbsd is easier for someone else on an sbc, it could be true for me

matey

so netbsd (under protest) for sbcs, i guess

matey

openbsd for everything else, and ideally everything

matey

i migrated coming up on 2 years ago

matey

so 13 years since gnu/linux migration

mjg59_

phanes: I have no knowledge whatsoever of where those pictures came from

matey

5 years fighting systemd

matey

2 years since i left gnu/linux behind

phanes

mjg59_, but i thought you were familiar with the details of this case

matey

given all that strife

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LOL. How to destroy GNU/Linux. https://unixcop.com/how-to-install-microsoft-powershell-on-ubuntu-22-04/

mjg59_

phanes: But I am aware that you continue to deadname a trans person

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matey

when someone says "here are 5 systemd-free distros"

phanes

mjg59_, ive made my position clear on this, evidence of name change, or steam about it

matey

its like looking for a light and someone offering me a couple pieces of flint

phanes

i dont care at all about your perception of "deadnaming" until I see any evidence at all that their legal name has changed

matey

been there, done that, no thanks

matey

ive done all the lion-taming i care to with gnu/penguinshit

phanes

mjg59_, if you would like to provide that evidence, even in private, i can update

mjg59_

phanes: You have a court order in which a judge uses their actual name, and that's insufficient?

matey

i longed to be rid of it, im rid of it, im happy

matey

it would be like going back to a shitty ex

matey

but man, i did try.

matey

i tried my fucking arse off

matey

so did devuan and im not sure how much they have to show for it

matey

bragging rights, sure

mjg59_

phanes: I mean, a court using that name seems to indicate that it's their name

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Windows Defender. LOL. https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/775003/been-battling-malware-for-over-a-year-6-laptops-2-desktops-1-phone/

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matey

but imo theyre not improving as fast as systemd/linux gets worse

phanes

nice distraction though

phanes

from being asked why you suddenly aren't familiar with the details of the case

matey

so can i recommend gnu/linux to anyone?

matey

i thought "maybe its easier to install / user"

matey

which it is, a bit

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Who does Windows Defender defend? The same company that 'Secure(TM)' boots protects... from competition

matey

im starting to treat gnu/linux like i did with windows

matey

use it, fine, but if you want me to help install bsd of some kind

mjg59_

phanes: I'm familiar with the details of the case. I wasn't given additional insight into non-public information.

mjg59_

phanes: But, again, why are you objecting to using a name that a federal court was fine using?

Jul 25 03:39

matey

i consider gnu/linux a formerly great os with a kernel that exists to help bring free software down from the inside

Jul 25 03:39

phanes

mjg59_, i mean, here we have your fiance submitting evidence, a screenshot of a text message conversation presumably from her phone, that appears to have been captured from the wrong phone, one that would not have been in her possession if her account was accurate

Jul 25 03:39

mjg59_

phanes: …and now you're misgendering them

matey

so if people cant get away from gnu/linux, ok, i understand. been there

phanes

and you, being intimately familiar with both the party and the case

matey

they can wait like i waited

phanes

just suddenly don't know anything about it

phanes

s/her/they/

matey

but if theyre looking for better things

matey

start trying to get bsd running now

matey

when i moved to gnu/linux it was xubuntu and dsl. NOT the best of the best

matey

same with bsd.

mjg59_

phanes: Cool if you're willing to accept their gender then maybe you can also accept their name?

matey

usage != acceptance

matey

theres overlap, a lot

mjg59_

Well sure ok he may have issues with acceptance but usage would be fine

phanes

mjg59_, do you also forget pivotal details when you yourself are caught in a lie, or do you only do it when you're covering for someone

mjg59_

phanes: Hard to forget something I never knew

phanes

seems like it would be trivial for you to get clarification

phanes

as to the name, until i see evidence of a legal name change there will simply not be an update to the name

mjg59_

phanes: Eh well I tried

techrights-news

zine-making, and the benefits it provides (in my eyes) gemini://tmo.smol.pub/1658707407

phanes

mjg59_, no you postured. that's different.

matey

/me picks up the red phone

mjg59_

Going to be plenty of evidence of you refusing to call a trans person by their proper name

matey

"yeah, i know"

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Re: Gemlog and internet time gemini://eph.smol.pub/1658708695

phanes

mjg59_, and plenty of evidence requesting evidence of a legal name change. I'm not doing nicknames.

phanes

mjg59_, what you're confused about is that you think your usual tricks will work with me, and it's going to keep jamming you up.

Jul 25 03:44

phanes

mjg59_, you're not my first rodeo and you're not even one of the very hard ones.

Jul 25 03:44

phanes

in any case, if you want to clarify either of these issues (name change + source of screenshot) I'm happy to receive the clarification for accuracy's sake

Jul 25 03:45

mjg59_

phanes: Oh gosh you think *I'm* the person who'll be your problem here

Jul 25 03:45

phanes

nope

Jul 25 03:45

phanes

im ready for that too

Jul 25 03:46

phanes

you're not my first rodeo, matt. get smart.

Jul 25 03:46

DaemonFC

"Don't fuck with me fellas! This ain't mah first time at the rodeo!"

phanes

fo sho'

phanes

Or you and your little posse can continue to underestimate me and save me an enormous amount of work in the process.

matey

phanes: its too bad you took down the patteron information

matey

it looked useful, i even found it helpful-- as a fan of patterson trying to understand her position on these things

phanes

matey, patteron information?

phanes

oh i still have that its just in incubation

matey

in the db-- its gone (or moved to backlog)

matey

what i was going to ask is

britney

matey, what does freebsd have to do with github?

matey

britney: its where some of their stuff is maintained-- including the package manager

matey

a lot of it is only a mirror.

matey

of the following: freebsd, netbsd, openbsd

matey

openbsd is the farthest from github: true mirror only

matey

netbsd is second farthest: it uses gh for donations

matey

freebsd is the closest to github

matey

if the goal is to get as far from github as possible

matey

thats when this information becomes instructive

matey

if thats not the goal, im not sure how much it matters

matey

takeover canary?

matey

my goal is to get away from github. its not my only goal, but ive been working on it since msft purchased them

Jul 25 03:51

britney

fair enough

Jul 25 03:51

matey

its INSANE that microsoft isnt optional to free software users

Jul 25 03:51

matey

i mean, you could mirror everything and lfs

matey

closest thing i know to this is-- voila, openbsd

matey

openbsd also has the distinction of being the most forkable modern os i know

matey

linux isnt. gnu isnt.

matey

if you said "i, britney, will fork an entire modern os this year"

matey

id advise you to use openbsd, because anything else will either be more difficult

phanes

that's a stupid amount of work

matey

or even less mainstream than openbsd

phanes

getting a bootable OS at all is tons of work, maintaining an entire os fork is just not possible for one person

matey

<phanes> that's a stupid amount of work <- so is doing quantum experiments on cats without peta trying to murder you

matey

but there are other purposes besides ACTUALLY doing it

MinceR

question is, can i fix openbsd

matey

thats a fair question

matey

a fork implies you can maintain it

matey

and for something as big and complex as openbsd

matey

"you" would have to be a number of people

matey

but a smaller number than for gnu/linux

matey

and if you mean you as in your personal workload

matey

that of course, is fair too

matey

so it may not be ready enough for you

MinceR

well, at least with openbsd, there's a good chance upstream will accept my fixes

MinceR

and then the workload is a lot lower

matey

rather my goal is to find the most forkable os in the broadest practical sense

matey

which means some people wont have their needs met by it

matey

there's a good chance upstream will accept my fixes <- a better chance

matey

with linux theres a better chance imo of them making it worse

matey

weve reached peak linux (quality)

matey

maybe not peak adoption, but peak quality

matey

from here, :P

matey

when im migrating to an os-- be it gnu, bsd, whatever

phanes

mjg59_, so tell me who's going to be a problem for me? no doubt some of your activist friends you're coordinating a pile-on with eh?

matey

i want the os that works with most of the software and hw i need

matey

but once ive migrated

phanes

<mjg59_> phanes: Oh gosh you think *I'm* the person who'll be your problem here <--- ref

matey

i want the software and hardware that works best with the os ive chocsen

matey

neither "mode" is 100% over the other

matey

but one is predominant and nearly 100% over the other

mjg59_

phanes: I'm just saying that deliberately deadnaming someone undermines the claim that you're engaged in the persuit of justice

matey

people in the pre-migration stage often have more "needs" than they have once theyve migrated

matey

thats why i spent so many years moving to gnu/linux

matey

i was moving all my tasks from one to the other

matey

including the ones id never need again

matey

because how would i know

phanes

mjg59_, well, no you're saying that (1) there will be a problem for me and (2) it won't be from you, implying that it will be from someone else. Who is that someone else?

mjg59_

phanes: It's an indiciation to the people that you seek to turn against me that you're not actually on their side

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mjg59_

phanes: The people who are pro-deadnaming already hate me

matey

id already moved all my programming to gnu/linux BEFORE i learned python

matey

python would have made that a fuck of a lot easier

mjg59_

phanes: So if you actually want to change public opinion against me, appearing to be on their side isn't going to do much for you

phanes

mjg59_, "deadnaming" is only "deadnaming" if it's their legal name not being used. Not using someone's nickname in a formal publication about legal proceedings and serious public interest matters is not that.

mjg59_

phanes: You can certainly hold that opinion, but nobody that actually matters agrees with you

phanes

mjg59_, oh so "the little people" will be the only ones who agree eh?

phanes

in any case, it sounds like you're trying to rehash that old "we are the real victims here" approach that's worked out so well for you so far

Jul 25 04:01

phanes

classic darvo

Jul 25 04:01

matey

the definition of deadnaming absolutely includes what mjg is talking about

Jul 25 04:01

matey

the question is when is it reasonable (if ever) to deadname

phanes

it's not inappropriate to use someone's legal name

schestowitz[TR2]

keeping track opf people who change name

matey

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadnaming <- wikipedia is never wrong

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schestowitz[TR2]

as past words/actions matter

phanes

especially when covering issues of public interest

schestowitz[TR2]

misnomers don't help either

https://wgntv.com/news/trending/woman-blames-social-media-trend-after-would-be-thieves-attempt-to-steal-kia-by-exploiting-security-flaw/

DaemonFC

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britney

phanes, its inappropriate if the court uses their new name

schestowitz[TR2]

like misnaming people or the practice

schestowitz[TR2]

"dead"

mjg59_

phanes: What's your basis for asserting that it's not their legal name?

mjg59_

phanes: A federal court used that name

schestowitz[TR2]

to connect the past to the present sometimes you deal with multiple names, as do authorities

DaemonFC

Calling people by their legal name isn't a crime.

DaemonFC

Nor is making up a name to parody them with, such as Mr. GULAG.

mjg59_

phanes: I mean literally the US government used that name

mjg59_

phanes: So what definition are you working on here?

phanes

mjg59_, the fact that the court has submitted several summons and documents using the reichwein name as well as submissions and the findings of private investigators by the plaintiff in that same case

MinceR

25 045603 < matey> with linux theres a better chance imo of them making it worse

mjg59_

phanes: There's no requirement that court filings be made under a "legal name"

matey

phanes: fwiw, a court document that uses your "new" name may suffice as proof of name change. ianal.

MinceR

well, with linux, some of the fixes would go against dogma (removing the CoC, for example) and others would go against the wishes of their new overlords (removing MICROS~1 and NSA crap, for example)

mjg59_

phanes: The court will accept filings that identify people in an unambiguous manner

schestowitz[TR2]

xi, akademi, blackwater

matey

but people change their names in courtrooms

schestowitz[TR2]

xi: stop deadnaming me!

matey

its extremely common in new hampshire

schestowitz[TR2]

meta: stop calling me facebnook!!

schestowitz[TR2]

alphabet: stop calling kme gulag

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.340308/gov.uscourts.cand.340308.14.0.pdf

phanes

MinceR

> wikipedia is never wrong

MinceR

lol

phanes

this is pretty cut and dry, and is a distraction from the material issues, which I"ve found to be a common pattern with this

matey

<MinceR> lol <- thats my (nearly) standard disclaimer when i "cite" wp in a remotely serious context

MinceR

blackwater jinping

mjg59_

phanes: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.340308/gov.uscourts.cand.340308.53.0.pdf is one written by the actual judge

schestowitz[TR2]

wikipedia is brigades, just like social control media

schestowitz[TR2]

russia bans wikipedia

matey

if your going to make a joke about something tedious and its going to be a running joke

schestowitz[TR2]

it feelt unfairly treated

DaemonFC

mjg59_phanes: There's no requirement that court filings be made under a "legal name"

schestowitz[TR2]

which is likely partly true

matey

it needs to be short, sweet and probably deadpan

schestowitz[TR2]

on political issues

phanes

here's one filed by the actual defense atttorney: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.340308/gov.uscourts.cand.340308.17.0.pdf

DaemonFC

In which case, it is insufficient proof that you should use that name.

phanes

i see a strong case for both sides on this. im going to have to see some evidence of a legal name change.

matey

<phanes> i see a strong case for both sides on this. im going to have to see some evidence of a legal name change.

phanes

until then, name stays as is

matey

me too

matey

except im going to suggest again that using your "new" name in a court documnt

matey

is basically one legal way to change your "legal name"

matey

and thats not tongue in cheek

schestowitz[TR2]

to link an individual states constantlyu ask about past names

matey

id like more evidence of this, really, but i think it might be accurate

schestowitz[TR2]

the state is not deadnaming, it just needs to know who's who

schestowitz[TR2]

and it's also why name changes are so hard bureaucratically

MinceR

(though blackwater renamed itself to xe, not xi)

phanes

i was adopted as a kid and had to jump through many hoops to get my name fixed many times

mjg59_

phanes: Yeah the initial defence filing has to respond to the name in the intial filing

matey

it just needs to know who's who <- should i ask mjg what name they use on their license?

schestowitz[TR2]

adding phd to your passport is easy

mjg59_

matey: Oh, I don't have a license in this country

schestowitz[TR2]

you just show proof

schestowitz[TR2]

but changes to anything in the name is harder

matey

<mjg59_> matey: Oh, I don't have a license in this country <- not yours, your fiancees

phanes

mjg59_, i care only to the extent of accuracy, you know what i would need and have refused to provide it so far

mjg59_

matey: Eh you'd have to ask them

mjg59_

phanes: You're asserting that a name that is acceptable to a federal court is not acceptable to you

mjg59_

phanes: You can definitely make that choice

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phanes

mjg59_, i am asserting that the legal name will be used, and that i currently believe the legal name to be reichwein

mjg59_

phanes: What research have you done into the legal name?

phanes

mjg59_ what contrary proof have you offered that isn't countered by the same dataset it came from?

matey

im happy to try to research this

matey

im certainly curious enough

mjg59_

phanes: I've offered nothing. Why do you believe that one name in this set of documents is a "legal name" and that another isn't?

britney

mjg59_, phanes is just going to use "legal name" as justification to be transphobic

schestowitz[TR2]

there are many reasont o change name

schestowitz[TR2]

e.g. marriage

schestowitz[TR2]

but for taxes and stuff it's important to link to past identities

schestowitz[TR2]

some terrorists changes their names

matey

www.findlaw.com/family/marriage/how-to-legally-change-your-name.html

matey

Petition to change your name by filling out a name change form, an order to show cause for legally changing your name, and a decree to legally change your name. Take these forms to the court clerk and file them along with your state's required filing fees. In most cases, a judge or magistrate will review your forms and grant the name change.

schestowitz[TR2]

for immigratioin pourposes

schestowitz[TR2]

and some people change names cause they hate themselves and want to start overt

MinceR

porpoises

schestowitz[TR2]

the states still need to link the chain of name changes

matey

www.legalzoom.com/articles/how-to-change-your-name

matey

If you want to change your name for reasons other than those related to marriage or divorce, the legal name change process usually involves first filing a petition with the court. You may also have to attend a hearing and show cause for your name change request. If your petition is granted, the court will enter a decree with your new name.

phanes

schestowitz[TR2], they do, and its usually public record. this is to prevent fugitives from moving to another state and assuming an alias

schestowitz[TR2]

name changes can also be used to thwart harassment or to start harassing people

matey

^ what if this has basically happened already?

matey

namechange.uslegal.com/name-changes-laws-by-state/

matey

In the United States, a legal name change can be obtained through a court order and any US citizen has the right to change his/her name through either common law or court procedure. A person may change his/her name at will and operate a business, write a book, or even sue someone under a different name.

matey

"A person may change his/her name at will and operate a business, write a book, or even sue someone under a different name."

mjg59_

phanes: ie, what evidence do you have that no legal name change had occurred before this case was filed?

phanes

mjg59_, you are asking to prove a negative; the burden of proof is on you

phanes

if you dispute, refute

mjg59_

phanes: Your argument is "A said (a), and B said (b). A said it first, so I believe A"

matey

mjg: are they a resident of california? im only asking for checking the laws on name changes

matey

which are by state

schestowitz[TR2]

twitter once suspending me for pointing out that one person who was harassing wikileaks changed names and kept doing it with the new name

schestowitz[TR2]

*suspeneded for a day

mjg59_

matey: I live in California, you can infer what you will from that

phanes

i think thou doest protest too much though at this point, and this really points to you trying to make an issue to stir the normies like britney into thinking its some kind of transphobic position instead of a technical accuracy and insistence on legal names

matey

fair enogh

matey

/me doesnt consider britnet a normie

matey

britney even

phanes

if it were a truth-backed position he'd have just linked to the legal name change papers instead of all this victim posturing

matey

i think she already had her own position

britney

phanes, im a legal professional and i can tell you that a transgender persons assumed name is allowed by courts in canada

mjg59_

phanes: Given two names used in the case, you've decided that one is a "legal name"

phanes

mjg59_, yes based on the plaintiff's PI findings

mjg59_

phanes: You have not shown or linked to any legal documents supporting that assertion

phanes

they literally hired a private investigator to find this out

phanes

sure i have

mjg59_

phanes: The PI literally died

matey

lied or died?

mjg59_

Unfortunate situation, but perhaps he wasn't at his best

matey

died

mjg59_

matey: Died - had a heart attack

phanes

that really sucks

mjg59_

Maybe it compromised the quality of his work? Who knows.

phanes

in the meantime, let me know when you find that legal name change doc, you can submit privately and expect confidence if you desire it.

britney

mjg59_, it literally costs phanes nothing, $0, to use the assumed name and he is doubling down on using a legal name because that is what transphobes do

https://namechange.uslegal.com/name-changes-laws-by-state/california-name-change-law/

matey

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mjg59_

britney: Yup

phanes

britney, it wont work

mjg59_

britney: I mean, I wouldn't say "assumed name" in this case

britney

phanes, it costs you nothing to use the assumed name

phanes

britney, i will use legal names for all entries and i will never, ever move from that

britney

phanes, how do you know which name is the legal name?

mjg59_

phanes: well, in that case you've already fucked up

phanes

so you call me racist or transphobic or whatever demonization device you want to use, and I'll keep using the legal name, which can be updated when i see evidence of a name change.

Jul 25 04:19

britney

phanes, can you provide evidence to back up your assertion that the name you are using is the legal name?

Jul 25 04:19

phanes

britney, its literally in the PI's findings and on several court documents in that same set. im not going to argue about this anymore, the name stays until someone provides a credible refutation involving actual evidence of a name change

mjg59_

britney: He can't, because it's not true

phanes

i have already literally linked to it several times (and several instances) in this discussion

phanes

now you're just lying

phanes

and its not going to work

mjg59_

I guess he'll assert that I defamed him by saying that he refuses to use someone's legal name

mjg59_

phanes: Sorry, which statement are you asserting is a lie?

matey

I FOUND IT

phanes

no what you're trying to do is exploit people in the same way you exploit people in your other defamations

mjg59_

phanes: I just want to be certain what factual claim you're making about me

matey

myfamilylaw.com/library/common-law-name-change/

matey

The federal courts have ruled again and again that changing your name at will or, by "common law" is every citizen's right under the U.S. Constitution. Using this "common law rule," you can change your name without even going to court. Technically, you only need to begin using your chosen name to assume it - and can do so legally.

mjg59_

phanes: I mean, you wouldn't want to accidentally defame me

matey

isis lovecruft imo is a legal name. imo.

phanes

mjg59_, the pattern is well documented here: https://www.abuseonline.org/database/Garrett,%20Matthew/2022-07-16/

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matey

-> The federal courts have ruled again and again that changing your name at will or, by "common law" is every citizen's right under the U.S. Constitution. <-

phanes

matey, that's actually not true when you go to get a driver's license or a job

matey

using it in a court document should count imo

mjg59_

phanes: You literally just said I was lying

mjg59_

phanes: All I'm asking is that you explain how I lied

phanes

<mjg59_> britney: He can't, because it's not true <--- this was the lie

matey

why would the dmv or employer be more important in determining "legal" name than the federal gov

phanes

<phanes> i have already literally linked to it several times (and several instances) in this discussion <--- this is where i explained why its a lie

mjg59_

phanes: What evidence do you have that I'm lying?

matey

employers have illegal requirements, they shouldnt count here

mjg59_

phanes: You admit that you may not have seen the complete set of evidence

matey

and why is the dmv the highest court of the land on this, because theyre the biggest pain in the arse about it?

phanes

yeah this just isn't going to work on me

mjg59_

phanes: So perhaps the situation is simply that I'm better informed than you?

matey

i think my question is fair. the difference is, im doing this for educational purposes (including mine)

mjg59_

matey: Yeah I'd say that a federal court is above the California DMV

matey

britney is doing this out of sincerity

phanes

mjg59_, no the situation is that you're a liar, and you're trying to find a way to tug at the heart strings of people with fictitious insults

matey

and mjg is, to be fair-- doing it for whatever reason(s) he does

phanes

mjg59_, as was documented previously in the TAODB entries about you

matey

<mjg59_> matey: Yeah I'd say that a federal court <- yeah but youre a leftist. phanes may be a states law guy

phanes

it's a pattern of behaviour with strong documented precedent

mjg59_

phanes: If people read your claims that I'm a liar and thought less of me as a result, that sounds like it might be defamatory?

matey

i still think dmv as high court choice is peculiar

britney

phanes, im both a legal professional and a transgender woman, i can tell you that insisting to use a "legal name" instead of the persons own chosen name is illegal in canada

matey

which proves nothing about usa except providing context (for consideration)

phanes

britney, i will keep an eye out for a letter from the royal mounts

mjg59_

phanes: I mean, assuming I'm not a liar (if I am, then obviously you have a defence)

matey

no comment

Jul 25 04:26

phanes

mjg59_, yes, you are not only a liar, but a habitual liar that has been caught several times in this process

Jul 25 04:27

mjg59_

phanes: I'm more than happy for you to continue to provide evidence that you made claims with actual malice

Jul 25 04:27

phanes

mjg59_, won't work

Jul 25 04:27

britney

phanes, using a transgender persons correct pronouns and name reduce suicide ideation. so one could logically assume that you're increasing suicide risk by not using their proper gender pronouns and name.

mjg59_

I'll admit that I'm arguably a public figure here so mere negligence is inadequate, but you're doing a wonderful job of fulfilling that prong

matey

on a related note, the dmv may be violating the cosntitutional rights of trans individuals

phanes

you victim-stance all you want, it just will not work on me

phanes

i am outraged that you have been able to do this to so many people with impunity but my goal is truth-finding; me not liking you while I do it is a natural consequence of you being a dirtbag, that doesn't imply malice

matey

my sincerest feeling abot this is that phanes made an argument for what hes doing and we made a better one for doing something different

matey

however

mjg59_

You've already established that you're not interested in the truth, merely your idea of the truth

matey

this is based on information i didnt even have a few hours ago

phanes

nor does using the legal name of someone linked with you despite your effort to draw their behaviour away from their real name

mjg59_

phanes: …

matey

what if this ISNT about evasion

mjg59_

phanes: Look the name they use is *extremely* public

mjg59_

phanes: You're choosing to use a name that's not actually linked to anything they do

phanes

if it were a matter of there being a legal name change having taken place, you'd have supplied it and we'd be moving on, but you're going to try to spin it as some kind of social issue to try to garner supporters, and it'll backfire on you

matey

<phanes> if it were a matter of there being a legal name change having taken place <- i think i established that in EVERY COURT below the dmv fwiw

Jul 25 04:31

mjg59_

phanes: If that were my concern I'd be more than happy for you to continue using a name that's not linked to their work or identity or anything

Jul 25 04:31

matey

what isis did regarding their name is an established constitutional right. tbh that should count

phanes

im not worried about it

phanes

moving on

matey

its just that

matey

<phanes> if it were a matter of there being a legal name change having taken place <-

matey

but okay

mjg59_

phanes: So your fixation on using their deadname really does come across as something other than an interest in justice

matey

i think hes confused about the actual legality, like this is some kind of trick

phanes

no, that's just the dumber, weaker argument you fabricated on my behalf when you found yourself unable or unwilling to address the position i actually made

britney

mjg59_, its just a way to continue being transphobic while at the same time trying to appear like thats not the case because its "the legal name."

mjg59_

matey: Yeah I mean everyone knows that isis worked for tor and is engaged to me and was harrassed by the FBI and so on, the deadname he's choosing to use doesn't tie them to anything that actually makes me look bad

phanes

sounds like a point that the goal isn't to make you lkook bad but to get the truth out, and that you're super butthurt for being exposed as a serial defamer

Jul 25 04:34

matey

at least mjgs name didnt change

Jul 25 04:34

mjg59_

matey: But he's also so convinced that I'm Bad, he can't imagine a situation where I'd try to prevent my fiance being deadnamed because I care about my fiance

Jul 25 04:34

matey

mjg: personally i think you have a turd for a moral compass. and i think phanes has a better one. its just that in this instance

Jul 25 04:35

matey

i think your stance on naming is more correct, and that counts for something too.

Jul 25 04:35

phanes

i am not movable on this without evidence

matey

and i think phanes has a better one. <- i know less about him and could be WAY off of course

matey

he could be literally satan for all i know

matey

or worse, clinton

britney

phanes, you called me Britney without any evidence I've had a name change

phanes

britney, that's because this is a social interaction and not a publication

matey

<britney> phanes, you called me Britney without any evidence I've had a name change <- which is actually evidence hes NOT transphobix

matey

just that hes adamant about this exception to using a prferred name

matey

even if its for reasons weve helped to debunk imo

mjg59_

matey: Eh. I think my moral compass is not necesarily differently aligned, but we come to different conclusions

matey

i didnt set out to go either way with this. i was happy to see which way truth (and reason) went on it

phanes

britney, if you had been a serial defamer and were being exposed on the site, or researched for inclusion on the site your real name would be what was used, but, in a social interaction, ive been very clear that a person's nickname should be used as a courtesy

phanes

mjg59_, can you describe a time when you did something that hurt someone and felt bad about it?

Jul 25 04:38

mjg59_

phanes: I can! If you're a licensed therapist and work for reasonable rates I might even talk to you about it

Jul 25 04:39

phanes

mjg59_, not a blanket "I can" but I mean a specific event

Jul 25 04:39

phanes

and if youve talked to a therapist you know why im going specific

Jul 25 04:39

mjg59_

phanes: I refer you to my previous answer

phanes

i didn't think you could

phanes

i wont tell you why that's important because it'll teach you how to be yourself without being undetected in more situations

phanes

*without being detected

matey

i have a more hypothetical one, just for fun i guess

mjg59_

phanes: Me telling you anything about previous situations in which I've hurt someone involves me telling you about someone else, and in the absence of you having any professional obligation to keep things secret I'm not going to tell you about them

mjg59_

phanes: Any information you could obtain from me in that discussion could be used to hurt other people. I simply don't trust you.

matey

mjg what would you do if we proved (as unlicensed internet geeks, i dont know what kind of proof we can offer) that you were a sociopath

matey

would it matter?

mjg59_

matey: It would

mjg59_

matey: I've sought therapy as a result of online discussions

matey

can you think of anything you might do about such a situation?

phanes

sociopaths can emulate empathy to meet a goal

mjg59_

matey: If people presented me with a good argument, I'd definitely seek further help

matey

<mjg59_> matey: I've sought therapy as a result of online discussions <- about 100% of my interest in that-- which IS piqued by the way

matey

is from you bringing it up.

phanes

so can narcissists, in fact its common with NPD

matey

<phanes> sociopaths can emulate empathy to meet a goal <- i can think of a great example of this (the good side of it) but out of consideration of that person i wont use a name here

mjg59_

matey: I've had Gamergate spend time focused on destroying me, and that was definitely something where I spent time questioning whether some of the accusations were accurate

matey

that is to say any name at all

mjg59_

matey: It's also something that's fallen out of some online discussions about transphobia, and whether I was sincere or whether I was just trying to be protective of people I wanted to care about me

Jul 25 04:44

matey

I spent time questioning whether some of the accusations were accurate <- do you know my personal opinion about sociopaths? its not a professional one of course, and i dont know how it would matter other than being on topic

Jul 25 04:44

mjg59_

matey: Like I've said before, we may not agree on a whole bunch of stuff, but I do respect your opinions as being genuinely held and I'll listen to them

Jul 25 04:45

phanes

mjg59_, what's your take on the continuous cycle of people using almost identical accusations of you from different events? like why do you think it keeps happening?

mjg59_

phanes: I'd guess it's because I respond in predictable ways to people who are bad

phanes

mjg59_, so they are all lying?

matey

i personally believe, given a fair amount of experience with people, that sociopaths 1. are curable 2. only if they devote their life to helping themselves evolve 3. most of whom will only fake it. 4 but some of whom will go the whole way and become heroes of a sort (that is, heroes for struggling to become whole people against the odds)

mjg59_

Eh ok they're not neccessarily bad they might just do bad things

mjg59_

matey: I think I agree with all of that

phanes

i dont think sociopaths are curable and i know factually that there are 0 cases of NPD rehabilitations

matey

i believe there are high-functioning sociopaths and theyve rigged together a sort of soul for themselves, which functions well enough to be street legal

matey

but its a hell of a thing to accomplish

Jul 25 04:48

mjg59_

matey: When I need to find a therapist I pick someone who has experience with narcissists because I know I'm capable of telling convincing lies and I want them to be able to identify that and call me on it

phanes

mjg59_, have you been formally diagnosed with NPD?

matey

ave you been formally diagnosed with NPD?

matey

<- i wouldnt tell anyone to answer yes to this

matey

mjg59_

I don't think that I actually have a habit of telling convincing lies - I just know that I'm capable of identifying a set of facts and come up with a story

*schestowitz-TR thinks the channel has lost focus hours ago, but doesn't mind too much... makes backups of 3 laptops overnight

mjg59_

I mean, that's basically what science is

mjg59_

Look at facts, come up with a story

phanes

that is

matey

thats step 1

phanes

not what science is

mjg59_

But with science, we have ways to test that

matey

science is about testing that story

matey

right

mjg59_

With personalities, it's hard to do that ourselves

matey

very!

mjg59_

So we rely on others to test it for us

mjg59_

I'm a trained scienties

mjg59_

matey

i think phanes statement of 0 rehabilitations appears inaccurate from a cursory search

techrights-news

On telling users to write the documentation themselves gemini://republic.circumlunar.space/users/flexibeast/gemlog/2022-07-25.gmi

mjg59_

So this is the sort of thing I'm supposed to be good at

matey

its like saying can cancer be cured

matey

mjg59_

Which is why I want to find people who are good at identifying that, so I can keep myself in check

matey

but cancer can be more or less cured for the most important intents and purposes, and thats the idea

mjg59_

If I say "I did this because (a) and (b)", I want someone who can tell me "But (a) is incompatible with (b)"

matey

i think npd can be treated its just fucking rare that it helps

matey

I want someone who can tell me "But (a) is incompatible with (b) <- you dont need a doctor, you need a physicist

phanes

matey, show me one example of a cured NPD patient

matey

this is exactly why i prefer the term sociopath

mjg59_

matey: Eh when it comes to interpersonal interactions I don't think it requires a physicist

phanes

narcissists and sociopaths are fundamentally different

matey

the physicist part was a well-inteded tongue in cheek joke

mjg59_

But I seek out professional help to ensure that I'm not actually making up explanations that make me look good

matey

but you want a highly-technical therapist obviously

mjg59_

Yup!

matey

i mean one who can appeal to your way of seeing the world

mjg59_

Eh maybe not? One who can tell me that my way of seeing the world is bullshit

mjg59_

I don't want therapists who make me feel good about the situation I'm in

mjg59_

I want therapists who'll tell me I'm fucking up if I'm fucking up

Jul 25 04:55

matey

sticking only to information thats already public

Jul 25 04:55

matey

how did you meet isis anyway, im not asking for many details, just a little insight into all of this (not the case, your personal life)

Jul 25 04:55

matey

and im only asking for things that are public knowledge (but that doesnt mean ima ware of them)

Jul 25 04:56

matey

im not asking you to "reveal" anything here

Jul 25 04:56

mjg59_

matey: Oh, I was giving a talk at the EFF and they were in the audience

matey

they talked to you after?

matey

www.healthline.com/health/therapy-for-narcissism

matey

Metacognitive interpersonal therapy (MIT) MIT is a step-by-step treatment designed to: dismantle narcissistic processes by looking at problems as they pertain to your own life.

matey

who knows if it works

mjg59_

matey: Yeah, but it took 3 years before I realised they weren interested in me

mjg59_

matey: I'm pretty oblivious

matey

but youre engaged?

mjg59_

Oops "were" not "weren"

phanes

matey, oh i dont deny that there are treatment methods, I deny that any are successful in curing the illness. NPD has tragic and seemingly locked patterns.

matey

oh ok

techrights-ipfs-bot

matey

NPD has tragic and seemingly locked patterns. <- ive seen them. so youre saying the treatments dont actually unlock those?

phanes

0 cases of rehab documented

mjg59_

matey: We were sitting next to each other at a wedding 3 years later and there was a Bitcoin person sitting opposite me and I got into an argument with him and isis thought it was hilarious

matey

i consider this a highly personal question, but considering they didnt sign, im not sure how it can have a bad answer

matey

ill ask just for the hell of it

matey

these questions DONT all have a single point where they join, and theyre not all random either

mjg59_

matey: And then we went on 5 dates in 6 days and I finally figured out that maybe they actually wanted to spend time with me

matey

im going in more than one dirction with this

phanes

mjg59_, what year was that?

matey

i dont believe isis signed under their name or deadname or any name

matey

do you know why they didnt?

matey

the stallman ltter

mjg59_

matey: (I'll let you figure out how this plays into Roy's continual assertions that I attend FLOSS conferences to sleep with people)

matey

oh you debunked that imo

matey

he made a generalisation to try to sully you as much as possible

matey

based PARTLY on something you actually said

matey

but imo his wording was inaccurate. we dont have to be on the same side for me to agree with a valid point

mjg59_

matey: isis submitted some patches to a free software project and they got ignored and then did so again under a fake male name and they got applied and now they hate working with free software projects so refused to take a position on rms

matey

i may choose to stay out of it, but i chose to involve myself there

matey

matey

and yeah i know shit like that happens

matey

so refused to take a position on rms

matey

^ i think thats noble

matey

or ethical. or reasonable. or one of those.

mjg59_

Yeah their problem with free software isn't rms

matey

its douchebags

mjg59_

So it wasn't their fight

mjg59_

No reason for them to sign it

mjg59_

I respect that

matey

yeah

matey

im on the left politically. i have a very libertarian spirit about things. they may not agree. i did consider myself libertarian at one point.

Jul 25 05:05

matey

i consider the problems of the world to be created by the fake left and the fake right

Jul 25 05:05

matey

the real left and the real right are less of a problem.

matey

the problem with fakes is they always serve the status quo in the end. either side.

*schestowitz-TR leaves laptop to copy across 231gb, leaves for the night

matey

the real left imo is our only hope.

matey

but they have more in common with the real right than the right understands, mostly

matey

for example, everyone should be armed. i know you dont agree.

matey

i think everyone should be armed.

matey

but especially the socialists!

matey

and all of the workers

matey

its easier to get the real right to understand the real left

matey

because theyre not bullshitting

matey

the fake right is fake because theyre NOT actually conservative-- theyre NOT actually libertarian

matey

and they really just believe in doing what they want because force.

matey

thats not even politics, its just thuggery

phanes

i think everyone should have a registered gun and an unregistered gun. one in break-glass for intruders, one in break-glass for tyranny. 'merica.

matey

the fake left is a problem because they hold back the real left.

Jul 25 05:09

matey

in other words, they fight for progress they then prevent

Jul 25 05:09

matey

with some notable exceptions

Jul 25 05:09

matey

the best example of the fake left is stalin himself

matey

everyone should learn about stalins career

matey

the same way they learn what a cuntbag hitler was

matey

its an equally important historical lesson for everyone

phanes

yeah

phanes

killed way more people too

britney

matey, stalin was a bank robber

matey

he robbed whole countries

matey

and i dont mean that he annexed. i mean he took them away from the people

matey

i dont care about governments. governments are like diapers

matey

yorue supposed to grow out of them eventually

matey

and theyre full of shit :)

phanes

yeah you know something is wrong when your two chief choices are hillary clinton or donald trump.

Jul 25 05:12

matey

she ran his election

Jul 25 05:12

phanes

yes lol

Jul 25 05:12

matey

not enough people wanted trump to actually elect him (the first time)

matey

they dont want him now either, but they do believe so

matey

they didnt vote for trump. they voted for not-hillary

matey

the democrat voters wanted bernie

phanes

this jan 6th thing was taken too lightly

matey

the dnc sucks that hard

phanes

he needs to be barred from even running

matey

<phanes> this jan 6th thing was taken too lightly <- it was a coup

phanes

preferrably on a gallow

matey

the coup didnt take power, but it was still a coup

phanes

give 'im the ole "Saddam" treatment

matey

the us gov will never hang someone that high up for treason

matey

someday though, the people will

matey

dunno when

phanes

im practicing my french in anticipation

matey

but its a historical fact, it just hasnt happened yet

matey

meh, the french are cunts

matey

but theyve done some cool things

matey

not recently :/

matey

right now theyre just doing roma pograms

phanes

in mil. history they always get sold short. they just are so good at losing.

phanes

or running

matey

thats not what bothers me

matey

they dont know when to right "run into those bullets!" "

matey

why?" "i dont know, it sounded cool!"

matey

they dont know when fight and when to retreat

matey

"hitlers coming"

matey

"okay get the white flags!"

matey

"why?"

matey

"we tried running into bullets and that was shit!"

phanes

lol

matey

"yeah but what the fuck are we doing, just flipping a coin?"

matey

these are not the proudest moments in french history

matey

and those certainly exist

matey

but i still think theyre cunts

mjg59_

I grew up in Europe, obviously I have opinions about US politics and the space it occupries

phanes

a person can love their country while hating the things it does

matey

us politics are mostly based on the government, thats why us politics suck so much

matey

i like americans

matey

until they get into office

matey

then i generally dont

matey

i coudlve met obama, i did support his campaign

matey

by the time i had the chance i went to mcdonalds

matey

ive also been to bens chili, but only because more interesting people than obama went there

matey

to be fair, he WAS the first black president

matey

but its also fair to say "better luck next time"

matey

i think oprah wouldve been better

matey

maybe even less than terrible

mjg59_

I think Obama was the most effective US president in my lifetime, and that's not saying a great deal

matey

fsvo effective

matey

youre in your 30s?

mjg59_

Also way too many drone strikes

mjg59_

matey

yeah the drones are a dealbreaker for me

phanes

yeah as a potus he did alot but he may also fall into the mass murderer category

mjg59_

I don't think you get to be US president without being a mass murderer

mjg59_

Maybe Carter avoided that, just

matey

that says a lot

mjg59_

Everyone in my lifetime has murdered a shitload of people

matey

i dont call it murder if its just

matey

problem is its usually about profit, not justice

phanes

eh. hard to call civilian men women and children in the ironsights of a drone a just killing

matey

most wars are bullshit. but you wont see me telling ukraine to "be nice"

matey

because you really DO have a right to defend yourself

matey

even if the usa is just exploiting them

matey

proxy war fodder

mjg59_

Yeah I'd treat Ukraine differently

phanes

what we did in the ME was the same kind of justice you see in the gaza strip

phanes

s/justice/"justice"/g

mjg59_

But Greneda? Iraq II? Afghanistan?

matey

war crimes > murder > defence

matey

iraq ii was just straight up war crime profiteering

phanes

payday for contractors

matey

blair should have a velvet rope or something

mjg59_

And Clinton had missile attacks on legitimate chemical factories

matey

though i think they should have shot saddam

matey

if youre in the military you should get a choice

matey

rope or bullet

matey

he wanted bullet

mjg59_

Please don't view me as someone in favour of imperialism

mjg59_

I was born in Ireland, I have some experience of this

matey

irelands weird and doesnt represent the world

matey

however they wanted to send the guy who helped with the peace process to the middle east

matey

i thought it was a great idea.

mjg59_

Ireland was utterly fucked over by Britain for a very long time

matey

the biggest problems in the middle east arent israel and palestine-- though i do blame israel for their role

mjg59_

Not to the extent of being sold into slavery, so there's a categorical distinction there

matey

its the rest of the world exploiting that conflict isntead of fixing it

matey

thats the bigger problem

mjg59_

matey: A lot of the middle east is also the UK's fault

matey

the british are cunts too. and i adore them mostly

phanes

there were irish slaves

phanes

in the us

matey

including ulster <3

mjg59_

phanes: Fuck the fucking fuck off

phanes

dark time in us history

phanes

im not kidding, its true

mjg59_

phanes: That's some actual white supremacist bullshit

mjg59_

It's literally not

mjg59_

The form of indentured servitude that irish people were subject to in the US is nothing akin to slavery

phanes

i may actually be full of shit on that now that im looking it up, but i could swear this was covered in like a 4th grade history class

matey

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_slaves_myth <- wikipedia is never wrong

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Irish slaves myth - Wikipedia

mjg59_

The only people that advance that argument are attempting to undermine the evil of slavery by suggesting that white people were treated as poorly

matey

i dont think phanes is a white supremacist

phanes

"indentured servantry" is what i think the term used is

mjg59_

matey: He may not be, but if you sit at a table with 7 people who are nazis and 1 who's merely suggesting that their arguments have merit

matey

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/06/18/fact-check-irish-were-indentured-servants-not-slaves/3198590001/ <- usa today is a big pile of shit but im linking this anyway

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.usatoday.com | Fact check: Irish were indentured servants, not slaves

mjg59_

I'm not going to argue that indentured servitude was good

matey

<mjg59_> matey: He may not be, but if you sit at a table with 7 people who are nazis and 1 who's merely suggesting that their arguments have merit <- okay, but where are the other 7

mjg59_

But it was absolutely not akin to slavery

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum

phanes

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Reductio ad Hitlerum - Wikipedia

mjg59_

More an exported form of feudalism

matey

sometimes people get history wrong for innocent reasons

matey

or because a cryptofascist told them something dumb

phanes

"""“While the majority of Irish people who became indentured servants in the Colonies did so willingly (why they felt they had to so is, of course, another question), a not insignificant number were forcibly deported and sold into indentured servitude,” Liam Hogan, a librarian and historian known for his work dispelling the Irish slave myth, told Pacific Standard magazine in 2018."""

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/06/18/fact-check-irish-were-indentured-servants-not-slaves/3198590001/

phanes

matey

and if youre gentle-- though you can try to egg him over irc--

matey

sometimes a simple factual correction works on reasonable people

matey

i said sometimes

mjg59_

phanes: While evil, indentured servitude was not the same as slavery

phanes

i agree with that and stand corrected

matey

you know who is saying there were white slaves too these days

phanes

the pivot point i think there is on legal personhood

matey

is john cleese. and since i have no reason to think hes a white supremacist

matey

i was included to believe him

matey

inclined

mjg59_

phanes: Thank you for admitting that you are not always correct, and I apologise for having a strongly emotional reaction to your original claim

phanes

it's okay, I already knew you were an easily offended asshole

matey

im sure he means that in the nicest way possible :)

mjg59_

phanes: The "There were Irish slaves" claim is almost always advanced by people who do not have any Irish background, and as someone who does I find it hugely offensive

phanes

im a good mix of german, scottish and cherokee

Jul 25 05:33

matey

is almost always advanced by people who do not have any Irish background <- im allegedly from the mccormick line

Jul 25 05:33

mjg59_

phanes: The co-option of Irish americans into the white supremacist narrative is fundamentally incompatible with modern Irish culture

Jul 25 05:33

matey

but damned if ill ever prove it now, and i dont identify strongly with it (but i do like the irish)

matey

nearly married one

matey

that is, someone born there

matey

as they consider consider descendents of irish "irish"

matey

dont consider ^

mjg59_

If you have an Irish grandparent you're Irish

matey

modern Irish culture <- and any decent irish culture at that

mjg59_

Even if you weren't born there

matey

If you have an Irish grandparent <- little farther back

mjg59_

(Some details based around exact timing elided)

matey

at any rate, i dont consider myself (significantly) irish

matey

but someone was. maybe a bunch

phanes

probably a bunch

matey

dna says a bunch

matey

i didnt, but a relative did

mjg59_

Honestly as someone who also spent a bunch of time growing up in Northern Ireland a bunch of Irish-American culture is actually bad

matey

so i know the dna (but i think some of thats bunk.)

matey

a bunch of Irish-American culture is actually bad <- oh cmon

mjg59_

Peter King's love of the IRA was obscene

phanes

mjg59_, that would be a damper on having kids i'd imagine

matey

a few brass knuckles and burned out store fronts never hurt anybody

matey

oh irish-american

mjg59_

matey: The town I grew up in was blown up by an IRA splinter group in 1998 in the single worst terrorist attack of the troubles

matey

of course you know i wasnt serious

matey

when i was a kid

matey

i was lke

mjg59_

matey: Yeah sorry just providing context

matey

"fuck! ill never go there, that place is CRAZY"

matey

then when i was there

matey

i was like

mjg59_

matey: But people in Boston kept on giving them money even after the ceasefire

matey

noooooooo, i dont want to leave

matey

then i was depressed for like two years after i left

matey

i mean like REALLY depressed

matey

so im quite fond of them really

mjg59_

I love going back there

matey

if i could get a fucking cornish pastie and some proper chips and hp sauce id be happy

matey

most of which is doable. even the pastie, but thats the trickiest part

matey

ive certainly had hp sauce and proper chips since then

phanes

i enjoy a good haggis

matey

you can have mine

matey

though honestly i should probably try the damned thing

phanes

not much on islay scotch though

phanes

too much bandaid taste

matey

it cant be any worse than sausage

phanes

its actually really good when its made well

matey

the most undrinkable thing ive ever had with alcohol was canadian mist

matey

i imagine it would taste about the same if i licked my antiperspirant

phanes

what the canadians make and call whiskey should not be legally allowed to be called whiskey

matey

im not dissing canadian alcohol altogether, im not that mean

matey

ive had some i like too

matey

just not that

matey

canadian mist isnt a drink, its a munition

matey

at best its an industrial solvent

matey

but not for drinking

matey

and its not even that strong, its just horrid

phanes

im not a big fan of irish whisky either tbh

matey

but ive had plenty of canadian booze that i never complained about

phanes

just never could acquire a taste for it outside of post-funeral parties

matey

and by plenty i mean i didnt drink until my 30s and even then not enough for doctors to get involved

phanes

i drank

matey

ive had two hangovers, roughly

phanes

i developed a stupid level of tolerance for it

phanes

oh ill get hung over

phanes

i may even die

phanes

but im going to fall last

phanes

i remember the only time my uncle drank with me as after dad died, and we sat there with a bottle of the nastiest dewer's you've ever cleaned a gear with, and we took shot for shot till the old man keeled over a few hours later about 5 imnutes before i did

Jul 25 05:46

phanes

3rd bottle had about 75% lerft the next day and we decided that we'd all had enough for the trip

Jul 25 05:46

matey

mjg:

Jul 25 05:47

matey

this is half intended as a rib but technically its real advice

Jul 25 05:47

matey

im 99% certain ben rich is NOT a sex tourist

Jul 25 05:47

matey

so dont go burning him at the stake until you have more than a few forum posts to go on

Jul 25 05:48

matey

/me likes him and is pretty sure hes innocent

Jul 25 05:48

mjg59_

matey: Not familiar with him

matey

hes not in foss, hes a youtuber

matey

feel free to keep an eye on johnny, weve decided hes weird

mjg59_

Irish whiskey was largely terrible for a long time, because the Irish booze industry consolidated after independence and almost all the good breweries and distilleries got closed down

mjg59_

But the past 20 years has seen a huge resurgence in high quality Irish whiskey

Jul 25 05:50

mjg59_

Lots of small independent distilleries, and also much better expost of what was already made to the US

Jul 25 05:51

phanes

still kind of hard to catch up to the magic that's going on in banffshire/dufftown mjg59_

Jul 25 05:51

mjg59_

It's kind of upsetting, Green Spot used to be about $15 a bottle and come with a screw cap, and now it's a premium thing that's $50 a bottle

Jul 25 05:51

matey

my favourite youtuber at the moment https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Fyu-2JIetEM

Jul 25 05:52

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | What is the Purpose of True Crime? | We're In Hell - Invidious

Jul 25 05:52

matey

at first hes grating, but hes a wild mix of interesting information and comedic delivery (that particular video is a horrible example of this)

Jul 25 05:53

matey

this one is good https://yewtu.be/watch?v=WycFnXXj6h0 this one is Fucked https://yewtu.be/watch?v=VHi_UusXdWM

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Stay Here: Gentrification and the Neoliberal City - Invidious

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Lost Resort: Oops, They Made a Cult! - Invidious

matey

<mjg59_> It's kind of upsetting, Green Spot used to be about $15 a bottle and come with a screw cap <- whiskey gentrification!

mjg59_

Honestly the only youtuber I've really got into is lookmumnocomputer

matey

he makes music and things that make music

matey

that almost sounds like hank hill started a band

phanes

found the seal request, it was just for a portion of the anonymous testimony: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.340308/gov.uscourts.cand.340308.22.0.pdf

mjg59_

matey: Haha when I first moved to SF I ended up in a bar listening to a guy with an Irish accent complain that when he'd moved into his neighbourhood it was so real but now almost all his neighbours were white

mjg59_

matey: And I managed to avoid explaining that maybe he was part of the problem there

Jul 25 05:56

matey

oh god, i used to live in a very gay town and then all th straights started moving in

Jul 25 05:56

matey

and i didnt mind, except it was less cool then

Jul 25 05:56

mjg59_

It's fine, the place I live used to be owned by the head of the SF Republican Party so I only displaced a dick

Jul 25 05:57

techrights-ipfs-bot

Jul 25 05:59

mjg59_

Also I did enjoy earlier that Roy just refused to take a stand on the channel not discussing tech rights because whoever he criticised would result in bullshit

matey

<mjg59_> matey: And I managed to avoid explaining that maybe he was part of the problem there <- i bet he knew

mjg59_

I actually empathise on that point

mjg59_

Moderation is hard

mjg59_

matey: I'm geninely not sure that he did

matey

<mjg59_> matey: I'm geninely not sure that he did <- what are the odds

Jul 25 06:02

matey

<mjg59_> Moderation is hard <- i hope you never understand his methods, i can assure you he doesnt

Jul 25 06:03

mjg59_

matey: People in their 20s working for tech companies in SF? Default assumption is lack of social awareness

Jul 25 06:04

matey

People in their 20s working for tech companies in SF? Default assumption <- fair play

Jul 25 06:04

matey

you made him sound older

mjg59_

Oh yeah people here are very "Oh I was here 2 years ago, you're the newbies"

mjg59_

It's not super healthy tbh

phanes

i dont think anyboidy is arguing that califonia tech culture is healthy

matey

the neuveau teche

Jul 25 06:06

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phanes

tbh i dont view employers in silicon valley as stable unless they're one of the big 5

phanes

between that and the housing situation

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Jul 25 06:08

matey

mjg i know this is a flawed question, feel free to rewrite it to allow for a better answer

Jul 25 06:10

matey

if you only had one class (one session) to teach your students

Jul 25 06:10

matey

whats the one thing youd stress most about security

Jul 25 06:10

mjg59_

matey: Nothing you believe is trustworthy should be treated as such unless you can verify it

Jul 25 06:11

matey

hmm

Jul 25 06:11

mjg59_

matey: And, in the absence of belief about something being trustworthy, how can you protect against it anyway

Jul 25 06:11

matey

i know its not intended

Jul 25 06:12

mjg59_

It ends up coming down to "Can I trust my CPU" and the answer is "No, but what else are you going to do"

Jul 25 06:12

matey

hmm

Jul 25 06:12

mjg59_

Really the moral is "Build a decent threat model"

Jul 25 06:13

matey

always right

Jul 25 06:13

mjg59_

Identify where the threats are, and identify whether the people who could exploit those threats care about you

Jul 25 06:14

mjg59_

For most people, the answer is that they don't need to care about their CPU vendor

Jul 25 06:14

mjg59_

It's not worth the risk to the vendor to compromise someone where there's a risk that might be identified

Jul 25 06:14

mjg59_

For some people, that's a risk you need to care about

mjg59_

And the most important thing in security is figuring out where you are in that scale

mjg59_

Because that influences everything that you spend time and money on

matey

i mean, cops in india are putting rats on journalists

matey

then using it to plant evidence

Jul 25 06:16

mjg59_

Yeah, ironically for this channel this actually ties into secure boot

Jul 25 06:16

matey

the rat is easy enough to rmove

mjg59_

Hacking Team were selling implants for compromising journalists to repressive governments that would have been blocked by secure boot

matey

but you need to be computer literate to know how to do this

matey

secure boot was turned into something that hurts consumers more than it helps them

matey

it may have the potential to do the opposite

matey

but its like regulatory capture

matey

its technology capture

mjg59_

There's room to argue on that point, but yeah my position now is maybe not what it was a month ago

matey

its reasonable if your position changes as it becomes more refined

matey

otherwise we would still be doing biology at the socratic level

matey

which doesnt sound great

matey

and thats what your phd is in?

matey

so there wouldnt be a phd in that

mjg59_

Huh I would note that https://archive.ph/G4Wbq includes sworn testimony about the name involved in the lovecruft case

Jul 25 06:22

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Jul 25 06:22

matey

Huh I would note <- why would you note that though

mjg59_

phanes: Weird that you'd actually have cited a page asserting in sworn testimony what someone's name is and then deny that you have evidence of it?

matey

how does that fit in

DaemonFC

Just turn it off.

DaemonFC

There are too many bugs in the UEFI firmware to ever secure it properly.

matey

i suspect phanes is being honest and cares about accuracy, despite some anomolies

DaemonFC

Even if you install those updates from Lenovo, which trash Bitlocker because of the stupid TPM, you're not secure.

mjg59_

Ugh Linux contains security bugs does that mean we just stop improving security in Linux

phanes

mjg59_, that would be weird if it weren't a projection of a false paradigm instead of a factual accounting

DaemonFC

There will just be another round next month, and eventually Lenovo will not support you anymore even if you can install the updates.

DaemonFC

mjg59_Ugh Linux contains security bugs does that mean we just stop improving security in Linux

mjg59_

phanes: Is your argument that a court filing contained lies

DaemonFC

Well, given that I can install the updates for the Linux kernel and there's no drop dead date on "support", that's doable.

DaemonFC

I can install those. It makes no sense not to.

phanes

mjg59_, no my argument is that you have no credibility on this given your argument approach

mjg59_

phanes: You asked for evidence of a legal name, and you posted that evidence yourself

DaemonFC

Plus, UEFI updates generally need Windows to be installed.

DaemonFC

Which I don't have.

matey

mjg are you an atheist? im agnostic for the most part

matey

this isnt highly relevant, but it might be in a small way

mjg59_

matey: Broadly atheist, but not dogmatically so

matey

science and religion can fuck, but im not sure how well they can cohabitate

Jul 25 06:26

mjg59_

matey: I don't believe that a higher being is required for anything we can observe to be explained, but I also refuse any scenario where I have to believe something absolutely

Jul 25 06:26

matey

<mjg59_> matey: I don't believe that a higher being is required <- no, and its funny how thats the point that so many people care about (im not pinning that on you-- if most people-- network effects.)

Jul 25 06:26

DaemonFC

Life is pointless. You work, you maybe get ahead a little, maybe not. Many people have kids, many don't. Eventually, you get older, nobody comes around anymore.

DaemonFC

Then one day a neighbor notices a funny smell and the police come in and find the cat eating your face.

mjg59_

phanes: You have evidence of sworn testimony regarding their legal name

mjg59_

phanes: Nobody in the case refutes that claim

phanes

mjg59_, great, so get what i said you need and come back with that credible approach

mjg59_

phanes: That seems like evidence?

mjg59_

phanes: Can you describe, precisely, what evidence you need?

phanes

i consider this a settled point of contention until that happens

matey

i want to know why the constitution isnt authoratative enough on this

DaemonFC

People believe in "higher powers" because they'd go nuts having to stop and think about what a waste the struggle is otherwise.

matey

but if i have to wait

matey

thats fine too

matey

the premise of the legal name is based on the misconception that the only valid process for legal name change is a form

matey

however, i thought based on experience with other states that there were other ways

matey

i looked into those

DaemonFC

All of this computer shit is hell.

phanes

mjg59_, sorry i missed your last question: as previously explained to you, some artifact of a legal change of name would be enough

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matey

and found that its basically settled that this isnt merely a process available in some states

mjg59_

phanes: You have a court filing that asserts that it's their legal name

DaemonFC

People had freedom when it wasn't surrounding them, spying on them, ruining their lives in ways they couldn't even fathom.

matey

its a right guaranteed to all citizens by the constitution

mjg59_

phanes: Given that the court accepted that, it seems like evidence

phanes

mjg59_, well, bub, you hold onto that.

DaemonFC

Stephen Fry recommending Grindr about made me fall out of my chair.

mjg59_

phanes: Yeah you refusing to use the correct name at this point seems ideological

DaemonFC

I just lost all respect then and there.

matey

none of which i knew before today mind you

mjg59_

phanes: What would you need to change your opinion here?

phanes

mjg59_, no i just provided criteria you refuse to meet. I do not bend to you.

matey

but i am satisfied that their legal name is isis, and the rest is a simple misunderstanding / assumption

DaemonFC

Everything I wrote about on my blog regarding Grindr are the ways it's harmful in a country where it's not illegal to be gay.

DaemonFC

The police in some countries use it to hunt down gay men and arrest them.

DaemonFC

Or worse.

matey

what convinced me was my own research into the matter

DaemonFC

The police in Illinois just focus 100% of their "Internet Sex Crimes" budget on gay men because they can do that.

mjg59_

phanes: You're saying that testimony to a federal court, which is accepted by that court, is not acceptable to you?

DaemonFC

They can't bust people for being gay, but they can put 100% of their money for finding perverts on apps on Grindr.

matey

mjg: thats a weak argument

phanes

mjg59_, I would settle for a photocopy of a state issued ID

matey

testimony to a federal court, which is accepted by that court <- the court could be wrong

matey

i mean, about many things

DaemonFC

It's just a quota thing. You can be arrested for saying you'd do drugs that...don't even exist.

mjg59_

matey: Eh if the federal government accepts someone's name that seems like the federal government accepts it?

matey

i think theres a loophole here in that maybe the court CANT be wrong, in this instance

matey

only because by being accepted, its right

mjg59_

matey: yeah they could be wrong but so could any branch of the government

matey

yeah

DaemonFC

That's a neat trick.

matey

note this is a quibble, and doesnt change my overall opinion in the slightest

mjg59_

matey: What if the DMV accepts it and a federal court rejects it

mjg59_

Would we say the DMV is right?

matey

i was the one that noted how peculiar it was to make the dmv the highest court in the land

DaemonFC

Maybe for their next performance, they can get you to admit you'd like to speed if you didn't think there'd be any cops with a radar gun and get you on "conspiracy to speed" and issue "I'd like to speed." tickets to fund the government.

mjg59_

phanes: Why do you trust California more than the federal government?

matey

california or the feds

mjg59_

matey: Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm using your argument against your

matey

tough call

DaemonFC

mjg59_phanes: Why do you trust California more than the federal government?

matey

I'm using your argument against you <- which is very silly when we reach the same conclusion about their name and its status

DaemonFC

I like how Gavin Nuisance said Texas's civil lawsuit thing with abortions is illegal.

DaemonFC

So they did the same thing there regarding guns.

DaemonFC

Fucking stupid Democrats

matey

but then i WAS quibbling about something (unimportant)

DaemonFC

Why WOULD you trust California?

matey

this isnt a chess game for me, its a high school civics class

mjg59_

matey: My argument here is just that if the federal government accepts a name in a legal filing then it should take a strong counterargument that that's not a legal name

matey

and im one of the students

DaemonFC

They're losing a Chicago's worth of people every 30 years or so at this rate, and there's no reason to think it would decelerate.

DaemonFC

It will likely speed up as the bullshit that Gavin Newsom is signing now takes effect.

matey

my argument is the same but the counterpoint you refer to is even stronger

matey

its not just a law, its a constitutional right that establishes (either de facto or de jure) that isis is their legal name

DaemonFC

The Democrats don't seem to have a big problem with losing elections and handing everything over to the Republicans.

DaemonFC

Nancy got her "strong Republican Party", on the Supreme Court.

matey

and its not even a right they "made for trans people"

matey

it applies the same way to cis even

mjg59_

phanes: Why do you believe that a federal court would make use of someone's assertion regarding their legal name without it being their legal name?

DaemonFC

The Democrats get in they make life worse than it's ever been before.

DaemonFC

They remind everyone that nobody in government will help them.

phanes

mjg59_, the window I made to consider your concern is now closed.

DaemonFC

Then the Republicans wipe them out and change all of the election laws so they never lose power again.

matey

phanes could go to a federal court, use the name englebert slapdybatch (im actually paraphrasing a trans comedian who was talking about a cis british musician) and make that "his legal name"

matey

thats my point

DaemonFC

And that's what's going to happen at the federal level now. They're all changing their laws so they can't lose those votes again.

DaemonFC

They have an actual plan this time for stealing the election.

DaemonFC

They'll be ready to declare anything they don't like a "failed election" and throw it to the legislatures.

DaemonFC

And the US Supreme Court will let them do it.

mjg59_

phanes: Gosh you're clearly prioritising truth

matey

in new hampshire theres a boatload of "freemans" doing this as a sort of stunt / gesture / activism / something

phanes

mjg59_, indeed i am, using the best tools for the job.

Jul 25 06:41

mjg59_

phanes: You reject a court filing that describes someone's legal name?

Jul 25 06:41

mjg59_

phanes: One that is accepted by a federal court?

matey

/me thinks this is easier to solve if we throw out the authorities entirely

matey

not just out of preference-- this is a technical issue

mjg59_

matey: Removing the entire concept of legal name would be a benefit, yes

phanes

mjg59_, anyone can send any of those artifacts I said you'd need to abuse@silogroup.org when requesting updates

matey

not what i meant, but fair interpretation

matey

it counts at least

mjg59_

phanes: https://archive.ph/G4Wbq is a filing in federal court describing someone's legal name

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mjg59_

phanes: Do you reject that filing?

phanes

not rehashing it, ive addressed this, you're just moving in circles now like it wasn't addressed

https://nypost.com/2022/07/24/bandits-rob-brooklyn-bishop-during-live-streamed-service/

DaemonFC

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nypost.com | Bandits rob Brooklyn bishop during live-streamed service

DaemonFC

LOL

matey

mjg: have you ever done meditation?

mjg59_

phanes: You're saying that a sworn statement to a federal court is not evidence?

matey

most people get it wrong the first time, precisely because theyre hung up on "doing it right"

mjg59_

matey: I have!

matey

what method do you use

https://nypost.com/2022/07/24/chess-playing-robot-breaks-7-year-old-opponents-finger/

DaemonFC

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mjg59_

matey: Self-directed, I'm not great on the terminology here

matey

no worries

phanes

wow this john gilmore thing is shocking

matey

have you ever tried it in the middle of an online debate?

phanes

what happened with john gilmore?

matey

/me is interested in the john gilmmore thing

mjg59_

Mostly focusing on myself, identifying the external things that are distracting me, excluding those from my consciousness, just being in myself

matey

id have to look it up. sometimes you can even start at techrights

matey

its an encyclopedia, no matter what you think of it

mjg59_

matey: He invites people to his house in SF for parties and then gives them LSD without telling them

matey

just being in myself <- have you ever tried it in the middle of an online debate?

mjg59_

(I don't have external citations for this, I just have several people who told me of their experiences)

mjg59_

matey: Yeah I don't always succeed, but I do try if I'm aware that I'm responding without appropriate consideration

Jul 25 06:48

phanes

For anyone reading, please do NOT try LSD in the middle of an online debate.

Jul 25 06:48

matey

if you put the debate away from your consciousness for a moment, its not like flagging the issue as unimportant or wontfix

phanes

Just in case any wires get crossed there.

mjg59_

matey: Agree

matey

its more like saving it as a file, rebooting the machine and then opening it, with a clearer

matey

something

matey

or switching to single user mode and then coming back etc

mjg59_

matey: Don't know if you've watched Halt and Catch Fire? There's aspects of a lead character's behaviour in season 4 that align with this

matey

ive never seen it

phanes

So what happened with Will Scott?

mjg59_

It's actullay very good

phanes

at the EFF

matey

/me is no fan of the eff

matey

i think mjg is still there :) on the board at least

mjg59_

matey: Never been on the EFF board

matey

obviously thinking of someone else

https://www.eff.org/about/board

matey

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mjg59_

I gave a talk there in 2015, won their 2019 trivia contest, came second in their 2022 trivial contest

matey

ah, i bet i was thinking of kuhn

matey

I gave a talk there in 2015 <- its not that, i was mixing you up with kuhn

matey

its funny but you dont remind me of him that much

matey

its just the occupational proximity

phanes

mjg59_, any comment on john gilmore and will scott?

mjg59_

phanes: Literally no clue what you're talking about

matey

/me looks up the gilmore scott thing again

matey

i read about it this year, probably past few months

mjg59_

I think John Gilmore's a piece of shit for various reasons, but I don't think I've said anything about that publicly?

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matey

i tried contacting gilmore but no real surprise he didnt get back

mjg59_

No idea who Will Scott is offhand

matey

for various reasons <- and youd care to share

mjg59_

matey: I mentioned above

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https://www.theregister.com/2021/10/25/john_gilmore_removed_from_eff_board/

matey

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | EFF co-founder John Gilmore removed from org's Board • The Register

https://www.itsecuritynews.info/john-gilmore-leaves-the-eff-board-becomes-board-member-emeritus/

matey

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itsecuritynews.info | John Gilmore Leaves the EFF Board, Becomes Board Member Emeritus | IT Security News

Jul 25 06:54

phanes

"""In October 2017, Lovecruft accused computer pioneer and cofounder of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, John Gilmore, of hiring a thug to assault Lovecruft and drag them into the street. (Todd Decl. ¶36 & Ex. L.) At the same time, Lovecruft accused Gilmore of conspiring with this thug to store illegal substances in Gilmore’s house. (Todd Decl. ¶36 & Ex. L.) Notably, Lovecruft made these accusations shortly after Gilmore questioned th

Jul 25 06:55

phanes

eir rape allegations against Appelbaum."""

Jul 25 06:55

matey

<phanes> For anyone reading, please do NOT try LSD in the middle of an online debate. <- wouldnt dream of it, pink lizard frisbee.

Jul 25 06:55

mjg59_

phanes: I feel like we've just established that you don't believe things merely because they're in a legal filing?

phanes

mjg59_, so you deny that she made this accusation?

matey

matey: He invites people to his house in SF for parties and then gives them LSD without telling them <- somehow i missed this

mjg59_

phanes: Please stop misgendering people

phanes

s/she/they/

mjg59_

phanes: They also asserted what their legal name was

Jul 25 06:57

mjg59_

phanes: Why do you place more value in one assertion more than the other?

Jul 25 06:57

phanes

That wasn't my question, what my question is whether or not your fiance made that accusation of John Gilmore.

matey

mjg: i find it trickier to get the hang of properly gendering non-binary individuals than mtf or ftm, which is pretty easy

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mjg59_

matey: It is work, I don't blame people for getting it wrong

phanes

only when it suits you

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matey

including with non-binary individuals i greatly admire, would HATE to offend, and even care about emotionally

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mjg59_

phanes: I asked a question first here

mjg59_

phanes: Do you believe that things in a legal filing are true?

matey

on top of this, im a HUGE fan of singular they (not only for referencing gender, but just as a grammattical tool before trans rights were even-- remember hrc?)

phanes

yeah, your questions are disruptive distractions

matey

not clinton, the half-arsed lgb-whatever org

phanes

these are meat of the issue concerns

matey

/me has always supported pflag over hrc, because the latter suck

mjg59_

phanes: Basically: If you believe that this filing represents an accusation, you also believe that a filing represented a legal name

phanes

mjg59_, nah

mjg59_

Ok, so you don't believe that things in a legal filing are true

phanes

i'll go ahead and assume that your fiance did in fact accuse John Gilmore of that and more on

matey

i dont know if hrc is actually a terf org, i assume its where the terfs go to feel organised

mjg59_

phanes: But you won't assume that they actually represented their legal name?

phanes

mjg59_, nope sure wont

mjg59_

Ok cool

mjg59_

I think we've established that you're very in on deadnaming someone

phanes

nah we've established that you will say that a thousand times to try to convince people of that despite being given a clear way to clear it up

mjg59_

In that literally nobody here is willing to defend your deadnaming

matey

this is like tapping a tech support call with a major provider

*phanes shrugs

Jul 25 07:02

matey

its just going in this awful script

Jul 25 07:02

mjg59_

phanes: Hey look seriously I am genuine in saying that this undermines the argument you're making

Jul 25 07:02

matey

in this instance mjg, i agree with (the important part) of your position, and your right to pursue this like youre doing

mjg59_

The people who are largely aligned with me are the ones who are most likely to ignore you because of deadnaming

matey

but i cant feel like youve failed to learn from countless years of your homelands history

phanes

so the john gilmore accusation is assumed to have taken place; what about this Will Scott thing?

matey

help feel like ^

matey

<mjg59_> The people who are largely aligned with me are the ones who are most likely to ignore you because of deadnaming <- thats immaterial, hes not trying to impress them

mjg59_

matey: If I end up undermining myself because I'm defending my partner's identity I'm ok with that

phanes

yeah politicking on this is only serving my interests, matt

matey

youre trying to corner him into a series of gotchas

mjg59_

matey: Ugh seriously I'm not realpolitiking this

matey

because I'm defending my partner's identity I'm ok with that <- i think youre in the right to pursue defending their preferred name/gender

matey

i dont even think you have to do it the way i think would be better (whatever that is)

mjg59_

matey: I earnestly care about not having my partner deal with unnecssary bullshit

matey

and im not assuming that theres a way for either of you to reach each other

matey

and i dont think we are all friends or any crap like that

phanes

mjg59_, Will Scott: """On December 26, 2016, Lovecruft accused third party Will Scott of gang rape""" <-- can you validate this claim

mjg59_

phanes: I can say nothing about that at all

phanes

mjg59_, can or won't?

mjg59_

I'm familiar with what's in court filings, I know nothing beyond that

phanes

but this occured while you were engaged, did it not?

mjg59_

No?

phanes

you didn't know your fiance was accusing a colleague of gang rape and another of hiring a thug to assault them?

matey

this channel needs a damned marker board

mjg59_

2016 < 2020

phanes

read that twice ^

mjg59_

I am unaware of the claims you're describing

Jul 25 07:08

phanes

oh so you were not engaged until 2020?

Jul 25 07:08

mjg59_

Yeah I think there's evidence of that

Jul 25 07:08

phanes

when did the romance start? I know you met in 2015ish but people don't usually just be distance friends and then suddenly get engaged.

Jul 25 07:09

mjg59_

Jul 25 07:10

phanes

i think the safe assumption is that you know about these events and are lying to cover for your fiance and create plausible deniability in case the usual pattern of events with me runs its course.

Jul 25 07:11

mjg59_

You can definitely assert that I'm lying

Jul 25 07:11

phanes

i do and have

Jul 25 07:11

mjg59_

You accept that if you falsely assert that I'm lying and that people have a worse opinion of me as a result, that that's defamation, right?

matey

matey

he thinks youre lying

matey

thats not defamation

matey

he states that he thinks youre lying

matey

thats not defamation either

mjg59_

matey: Oh there's a distinction between "I think you're lying" and "You're lying

matey

everyone in the world is a liar

matey

LIFE OVER

matey

nope

mjg59_

matey: It depends on the specific context

matey

okay

matey

then nope

matey

but i suppose if he wrote a whole book called mjg is a liar

mjg59_

Yeah it depends on whether the claim is negligent or malicious

matey

and it uses your whole name, and he goes into various details and works out "proof" that is in fact false

matey

etc etc etc

matey

i mean

mjg59_

A whole book would be evidence of malice

mjg59_

A single claim would be negligence, plausibly

mjg59_

But this is a case where he's been given the truth

phanes

sounds like some of those legal theories yall socialized during freenode

mjg59_

So continuing to assert otherwise isn't negligence

matey

freenode was a clusterfuck

phanes

matey, yeah it really was lol

phanes

matey, rock and a hard place on that one man

mjg59_

But hey I'm not a lawyer or a judge, I can't tell you what to do

matey

continuing to assert otherwise isn't negligence <- so once youve told him a few times if he still doesnt agree now its malice?

matey

i doubt it. no new information has been created

matey

he has no additional reasons to agree with you or believe you

phanes

just because youre not typing in all caps doesn't mean youre not mad

matey

i mean, this isnt how it works or everyone is fucked

mjg59_

matey: It'd probably get past an Anti-SLAPP staute, whether it'd convince a jury is another matter

Jul 25 07:16

*phanes checks the mail every day

Jul 25 07:16

matey

just the fact that you go from him disagreeing with you on a single point to the courtroom is...

Jul 25 07:16

mjg59_

matey: Oh urgh yeah I understand that perception

phanes

bear in mind this is coming from the guy who thinks "identity theft" and "satire" are the same thing

matey

i mean even in the though process

matey

thoguht

matey

fuck typing, im getting a dot

phanes

we're not dealing with reasonable, we're dealing with calm

mjg59_

matey: He's accused me of defamation, so I end up viewing his claims in that lens

matey

thats reasonable in a way

matey

i would quibble over the scope

Jul 25 07:18

mjg59_

matey: I'm not actually threatening to sue, I'm just trying to point out that (from a legal perspective) he's potentially behaving in the way he accuses me of behaving

Jul 25 07:18

matey

i think its hard to see the tso stuff as anything other than defamation

Jul 25 07:18

matey

he's potentially behaving in the way he accuses me of behaving <- /me nods

mjg59_

matey: Hrm. I tried very hard in that post to draw a line from evidence to my conclusion.

phanes

i think its hard to see these facts all up next to each other as anything but a continued pattern of defamation of many people over many years, and strong social links to people who do the same

mjg59_

matey: I would really appreciate earnest disagreement with that path

matey

. I tried very hard in that post to draw a line <- while i believe that statement

phanes

and ive got to be honest, the more i learn the more obvious it gets

matey

i looked very hard for the line

matey

and i believe you tried very hard in that post to draw that line

matey

<phanes> i think its hard to see these facts all up next to each other as anything but a continued pattern of defamation of many people over many years <- have a countertheory

matey

i do that is

phanes

its not confirmation bias

matey

no its not about you at all

matey

do you know that well over a decade ago, i was starting to turn into a textbook sjw?

Jul 25 07:21

matey

no, but thats rhetorical

matey

i got over it (At leaat i think so)

matey

because it was pointless

matey

and it really went against too many things that were important to me

matey

but we had this movement, you kno

matey

and it seemed pretty good, free software was going well

mjg59_

matey: My basic argument is that you can't argue that people who describe a situation in which what happened to them met the legal definition of rape weren't raped

matey

but there were a few racist cunts around that

matey

well, i got similar idea that the sjws have had

matey

we have all this freedom

matey

why cant we do something about THIS

matey

and of course by THIS i mean some people are cunts

matey

just kind of nasty people

mjg59_

matey: And if you are going to argue that things that met the legal definition of rape weren't actually rape, then yeah, you're a rape apologist

matey

anyway, i never suggested a code of conduct

phanes

Indeed, if he had been truthfully accounting for the events while saying these things, there would be appropriate anger in his audience.

matey

the closest thing to it was jono bacons prototype and even then i thought that was bullshit

matey

#openrespect

matey

#suckoffcanonical

matey

but i was like

matey

why cant we just tell these people to stop being racist or gtfo

matey

and you can

matey

you totally can

matey

if a project doesnt want people-- a project can get rid of people

matey

theres a little more to it, details wise

phanes

which is fine

matey

its not entirely technical / legal theres all kinds of relevant politics

matey

but

matey

theres a fucking hazard too

matey

and the hazard is

phanes

until project members start calling people racist to change the project roster for their project

matey

well, like with mccarthy

matey

yeah that too

matey

my really excellent idea assumed honest people would be in charge :)

matey

and really if id had any idea what the fuck i was even proposing-- mostly to myself, you know

matey

i would have realised that this was a stupid idea that looked like a reasonable idea

phanes

its an easy trap to fall into for the well intended

matey

beacuse many of the premises were inherently reasonable

matey

and many of the details were absolute monkey shit

mjg59_

matey: So seriously, I would genuinely like to understand the disagreement about my description of Ted's behaviour

matey

i actually figured this out on my own

matey

but first!

phanes

misrepresenting his entire position would be a start

matey

i took a LONG DETOUR from the place i thought was "apathetic" and went on to give a shit about other projects

phanes

which you didnt seem to do as much in the mailing list as in your blog post

phanes

but i haven't broken the t'so issue down as far as id like, lots of email responses im waiting on and lots of reading to do

matey

THERE IS a point i was going to make, if i managed to get to it

matey

and its this

matey

i basically wanted thought policing

matey

not directly

matey

not even as a LAW or RULE or POLICY

matey

not a coc

matey

just sort of

matey

i wanted people to take time out to do casual thought policing

phanes

you wanted a culture shift

matey

so people would stop being racist

matey

YEAH!

matey

and i still think thats sort of reasonable

matey

but the way i wanted to do it

matey

1. wouldnt work 2. side effects 3. destroy everything

matey

so its like curing the hiccups by shooting yourself

matey

it works...

matey

but thats hardly the point

matey

theres nothing wrong with curing hiccups

matey

i dont like them personally

matey

i dont agree with scott adams that negativity was the problem

matey

a fucking dumb solution was the problem

matey

i still dont like racist cunts

matey

but i dislike the thought police because they destroy everything

matey

the point was

mjg59_

matey: I feel like there's a situation here that's actually analagous to between me and my partner

matey

you can get to wanting to thought police-- without wanting to destroy everything

matey

sure-- if youre ibm, you probably want to destroy free software

matey

i BELIEVE there is plenty of evidence of that shit

mjg59_

They're an anarchist, I lean towards socialism, so we broadly agree on an end goal but we disagree with the mechanism and the holder of the power in getting there

matey

so im not saying "everybody is innocent" AT ALL

matey

im not saying "LETS TAKE PEOPLES WORDS FOR IT!" either

matey

ive said over and over and over that narcissists and pc bullshit have destroyed the movement

phanes

I'm not sure about that, I hear "socialism" and "anarchy" and my brain pictures piles of dead bodies that cover up distance mountains on the horizon.

phanes

distant*

matey

but thats the group. the mob. the big problem

matey

if youre dealing with one individual, they dont necessarily think "how i can destroy all this"

matey

thats not (always) their m.o.

matey

this matters to me, as i think understanding WTF happened is key to the future

phanes

matey, well in the case of a narcissist theyre usually not thinking that far out

matey

and getting it wrong will only lead to strategic errors

mjg59_

matey: And I don't think we fundamentally disagree about where free software should be, but we disagree about the path to get there

matey

but we disagree about the path to get there <- i used to say that when i was an open source guy

phanes

giving the keys of the kingdom to microsoft is where free software should be?

mjg59_

matey: Like, should functional communities be top down or be bottom up?

matey

its the right idea in the form of the wrong question

https://techrights.org/2019/10/23/top-down-gnu/

matey

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Why GNU Is Better Staying Top-Down, Even If Free Software Isn’t | Techrights

matey

that article isnt really important at all now

matey

its just a reference point

matey

<mjg59_> matey: Like, should functional communities be top down or be bottom up? <- bottom up

matey

just not the way you think (and that matters)

mjg59_

matey: Yeah I think there's room to talk there

mjg59_

I have opinions. They may be wrong!

matey

this is a VERY fundamental problem between left wing factions

mjg59_

Haha yup

matey

fundamental because without getting it right, everything gets fubared

mjg59_

Being on the left means that there's a lot of very subtle ways to disagree

matey

<mjg59_> I have opinions. They may be wrong! <- this was pre github purchase and i wouldnt watch it today

matey

but did you ever watch red vs blue

mjg59_

The Half Life based thing?

matey

i think so

matey

i thought it was halo

mjg59_

I know "But that's illegal!" and that's about it

mjg59_

Oh yeah Halo

mjg59_

I'm sorry, I'm old

matey

im older than you

matey

but close enough

mjg59_

I'm old enough that I rarely hit that, which I think means I'm old

Jul 25 07:41

matey

40s, 40s, same differences

Jul 25 07:41

matey

I'm old enough that I rarely hit that <- i have no idea what this means, but its funny

Jul 25 07:41

mjg59_

matey: I don't often end up talking to people with opinions on free software who are older than me!

matey

oh i got it

mjg59_

But I guess it could be about sex, in which case no comment

matey

no no

mjg59_

Roy would be upset

matey

i was sure you didnt mean that

matey

roy is honestly a prude. literally.

matey

he will say hes not

mjg59_

Roy is very straightedge

matey

but i was certain you didnt mean it that way

matey

so i was looking at it and thinking

matey

"WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT MEAN THEN?"

matey

it was funny

mjg59_

A lot of my comedy is inadvertant

matey

sort of like the hungarian phrasebook in reverse

matey

or even forward

Jul 25 07:44

matey

anyway

Jul 25 07:44

mjg59_

matey: But seriously, I would be interested in your perspective of what I wrote about Ted, because I trust you and I also believe I wrote that earnestly (I mean, a decade ago) and I'd like to figure out disparities

Jul 25 07:44

matey

i dont want to give you more credit than you deserve...

mjg59_

matey: But also that doesn't need to be now

matey

for your sake, but also because i think accuracy REALLY helps

mjg59_

It's late and happy to do that some other time, but want to say I'm happy to discuss it

matey

i mean i think you helped destroy the career of a good person, probably

matey

im NOT sure any of it was malicious, but there are lots of reasons i could be wrong

matey

im stating where i am with that Now

matey

id be perfectly happy to say goddammnit you piece of shit

matey

but right now...

matey

technical metaphor

mjg59_

I understand your position

matey

simplest one i can think of

matey

suppose you have a server

mjg59_

I haven't seen any evidence I actually caused damage

matey

and its being... its not working

matey

butterfly flaps his wings in asia, wildfire starts in california.

mjg59_

But I also think speaking what we believe to be the truth should be countered with other perceiptions of the truth

matey

but this aint a butterfly and its not in asia.

matey

with other perceiptions of the truth <- i agree

matey

otherwise youre just the pope

matey

though there are other models which are as unfortunate

matey

like a mob

matey

i guess single lesson advice time

matey

if you lead anything in the future

matey

anything at all

matey

retire from leading mobs

matey

let someone else lead the mob

matey

this is tongue in cheek because i dont think youre THE leader and you dont either

phanes

pig in a pope hat?

mjg59_

I understand the argument that I have enough influence that some people will accept what I say without critical analysis

matey

pope in a pig hat

mjg59_

And I'd love to know how I can express my opinion in a way that doesn't result in that, but instead results in critical analysis of what I say

mjg59_

I don't want people to agree with me because of me

matey

And I'd love to know how I can express my opinion in a way <- ok

matey

no i havent got it yet

mjg59_

And I will definitely take advice there

matey

i was thinking of dijkstra :)

matey

he destroyed goto!

matey

but its still here

phanes

people who attract ideologues tend to be surrounded by ideologues, have to change what you attract, and to do that you have to change who you are and what you represent

matey

really, dijkstra was the ORIGINAL tech industry canceller

matey

and it was an accident.

matey

he CANCELLED GOTO

matey

and its fine to "cancel" bad tech-- like the pinto!

matey

terrible design

matey

should NEVER BE BUILT AGAIN

matey

but goto isnt really like that

phanes

i wouldn't drive a pinto lol

matey

but dijkstra, while never intended to destroy goto so savagely

matey

did anyway, because the people who took him seriously (about goto) were not as smart as he was

matey

and because wirth wrote that damned title for the article (which dijkstra didnt)

matey

and now goto is much maligned for things that dont even matter and arent even true.

matey

people are now superstitious about goto (which also goes by jmp) instead of educated about it

matey

and i feel confident this was never the intention

matey

there were even followups on this

matey

from the man himself

matey

we know it was wirth who wrote the title

matey

but, sadly, most people are simply like

matey

"dont use goto, its terrible and will RUIN YOU AS A CODER FOREVER"

matey

and no amount of setting the record straight has changed this :)

phanes

honestly it kinda does create flow control issues

matey

goto was cancelled

matey

honestly it kinda does create flow control issues <- of course it does. you should generally follow dijkstras advice about it, unless youre an incredible masochist

Jul 25 07:56

matey

but there are workarounds, there are caveats, there are places where it only makes sense where today people treat it like some kind of eldritch incantation

Jul 25 07:56

matey

that which must never be coded

matey

and its bollocks

matey

the other thing is, its SUCH an easy concept to teach

matey

jmp

matey

one move.

matey

i learned to code when i was FIVE man

matey

from a book

matey

goto i could handle

matey

do loop... huh?

matey

im five!

matey

why do you

matey

i only want to move once

matey

but then it goes back!

matey

just use break

matey

now its THREE commands! why?

matey

just one!

matey

you cant explain this shit to a five year old, they know theyre right

matey

goto makes sense, wtf is do loop

matey

"really you should use gosub"

techrights-ipfs-bot

matey

i couldnt understand gosub. it was like an alien thing.

matey

def p(): in python makes more sense than gosub

matey

but in basic, scoped function syntax is BULLSHIT

matey

or it was at the time

matey

and why scope! why-- i want-- dammit

phanes

lol

matey

you cant explain these things to a (now 7) year old

matey

you can try

matey

i tried! to explain it to me

matey

i was just *turns head sideways*

matey

if id known how to say "what the fuck" back then i would have

matey

so goto is a VERY simple idea

matey

and theres a debian / gopher guy

matey

john goerrrr

matey

goerzen?

matey

anyway, i think he defends goto on the same grounds while he teaches his (then) 5 year old the command line

matey

and bash functions dont have scope so theyre fucking gosub anyway!

matey

(i LOVE function scope in python. but thats today)

phanes

you can _create_ scope in bash

matey

today people try to learn JS first. thats nuts

matey

i would just use different files

matey

i think theres scope then. god i hope so

matey

i know environments can be inherited

matey

it sounds scary

matey

when i start having to think about this stuff in bash (or ksh) i use a real language

phanes

they can

phanes

its actually harder to ensure a blank env than to inherit the parent env

matey

i not hating on the shell

phanes

thats one of the reasons i created rex

matey

its just too much work for me sometimes for some tasks

matey

nice

phanes

i need to compile a whole bunch of stuff for cross-compiling a sysroot that needed a very controlled context

matey

today it makes more sense to teach python than basic

https://source.silogroup.org/SURRO-Linux/rex

phanes

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-source.silogroup.org | SURRO-Linux/rex: Rex is a project-based, json-driven execution flow/workflow system designed to place rails around very complex automations in a controlled way that is easy to troubleshoot. - rex - SILO GROUP SCM

matey

but basic was easier. and python 2 was closer to basic than python 3.

matey

and no one should ever learn js first :(

matey

not because it will ruin them as coders

matey

only because its cruel

phanes

i need to rewrite rex from scratch tbh

phanes

the code quality imo is terrible

phanes

especially in the Sproc implementation

phanes

its a solid proof of concept i guess

phanes

gets the job done

phanes

but need to hire some more proficient coders to knock it out

matey

stallman is the patron saint of chestertons fence

Jul 25 08:06

matey

youd think it would be chesterton

Jul 25 08:06

phanes

lol

Jul 25 08:06

matey

Compiling Rex is easy. There are zero external dependencies. Build does require cmake.

phanes

yep

phanes

runtime has no dependencies outside of libstdc++ but compile requires cmake and gnu-c++

matey

this sounds very 1776

matey

A name, which is an identifier for the Unit used by people.

matey

i bet reading shit i wrote in a heat wave is better than hearing shit you said when high

Jul 25 08:08

matey

"wtf did i-- what?"

Jul 25 08:08

phanes

you gave me a panic attack, i said alot of things in my 20s

Jul 25 08:08

matey

mea culpa

phanes

20s me was the patron saint of people who should not be listened to

matey

that was most people in their 20s

matey

and mjg in his 30s

matey

zing

phanes

just because i always won the argument, too many people did

matey

so my metaphor for mjg is this

Jul 25 08:10

matey

in red vs blue, there was a character

matey

he was actually a bomb, and he had ai

matey

why did he have ai?

matey

there was no reason, except he was built from robot parts

matey

so he had ai

matey

and his sole purpose was to go off and destroy an enemy ship

matey

and he was REALLY REALLY eager to do

matey

mjg59_

I mean, Dark Star

matey

and youre probably thinking he went off early

matey

nope

mjg59_

We have precedent from the 70s

matey

he actually did exactly what was needed

matey

which isnt part of the metaphor i hasten to add

matey

but thats how the story went

matey

the point of the metaphor

matey

was he was armed the whole fucking time

matey

and the only thing he was ever interested in doing (and in this instance, capable of doing) w

phanes

any chance of getting a demonstration with handpuppets in a little theatre stage

matey

was going off

matey

i mean i can probably find the episode on youtube

matey

he had conversations with the soldier that built him

matey

he was very sarcastic and kind of tunny

matey

funny

matey

but basically every situation was like

matey

are we there yet? are we there yet?

matey

can i do it now? can i do it now?

Jul 25 08:15

matey

he can only do it once, but hes very keen on it

Jul 25 08:15

matey

when he finally does hes lke OH BOY!!!!!

Jul 25 08:15

matey

but hes just ready to jump in there

Jul 25 08:16

matey

of course if he had gone off early it would defeated the entire point of the mission

Jul 25 08:16

matey

and here we are

Jul 25 08:16

phanes

i agree with taht assessment

https://yewtu.be/watch?v=rOJo6q2aWqY

matey

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Season 3, Episode 54 - Hello My Name Is Andrew | Red vs. Blue - Invidious

https://yewtu.be/watch?v=b-ozamfqsH0

matey

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Red vs Blue - Andy the Bomb - Invidious

matey

shisno.

matey

hehehehe

phanes

ah i can't watch this

phanes

sorry

phanes

ill take your word about thge plot

matey

honestly i feel bad even introducing anyone to it

matey

i stopped watching it after the github purchase

matey

MAN i was pissed

matey

and that was in 2018

phanes

one thing ive gotta say, the plaintiff's legal team in this does a much better job formatting and organizing their content than the defendant

Jul 25 08:21

phanes

you can feel the skill behind it transcribing it

Jul 25 08:21

matey

i went through most of the oreilly book on information architecture or something like that

matey

i wish i could say i can apply it

matey

bob ross and mary popppins in the fly chamber

matey

the scene where she makes everything go neatly into its right place

matey

unless i dreamt that

phanes

when you ingest content like that you don't really get a new skill, you just get subtly better and more organized at how you work with information

matey

bob ross happily painting every snippet of data into a place that makes perfect sense

phanes

its one of those skills that applies to everything

matey

i still dont get stallmans beef with "content"

Jul 25 08:24

matey

i hate that page with a passion, though the premise (once again) is perfectly reasonable

Jul 25 08:24

phanes

data framing is everything to turning data into intelligence

Jul 25 08:26

techrights-news

#HowTo Change MAC Address in Linux • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167625

Jul 25 08:27

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to Change MAC Address in Linux | Tux Machines

Jul 25 08:27

phanes

aw freenode found one of my bait alts :(

phanes

I really liked Jose

schestowitz[TR2]

matey: ^_^

https://postmarketos.org/blog/2022/07/25/considering-sourcehut/

schestowitz[TR2]

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-postmarketos.org | postmarketOS // Considering SourceHut

matey

still seems like a useless model to me

matey

you pay and pay and pay, you stop paying and it disappears

Jul 25 08:34

phanes

I bet John Dennison saw the domain jose was using (amigo.serentos.org)

Jul 25 08:34

matey

they least they can do is act as a mirror if you stop paying to be able to modify it

Jul 25 08:34

techrights-news

Microsoft: KB5015882, KB5015814 updates break Start menu in Windows 11 https://www.windowslatest.com/2022/07/25/microsoft-confirms-kb5015882-kb5015814-break-start-menu-in-windows-11/

Jul 25 08:35

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.windowslatest.com | Microsoft: KB5015882, KB5015814 updates break Start menu in Windows 11

Jul 25 08:35

techrights-news

Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167626

Jul 25 08:36

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines

Jul 25 08:36

techrights-news

IRC Proceedings: Sunday, July 24, 2022 | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/07/25/irc-log-240722/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/25/irc-log-240722/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Sunday, July 24, 2022 | Techrights

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postmarketOS // Considering SourceHut • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167627

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | postmarketOS // Considering SourceHut | Tux Machines

techrights-news

"Hinds said the decision not to criminally charge Uber reflected new management's prompt investigation and disclosures" ☛ https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/enterprise-services-and-applications/uber-admits-covering-up-2016-hacking-avoids-prosecution-in-u-s-settlement/93064257 | Source: India Times

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com | uber: Uber admits covering up 2016 hacking, avoids prosecution in U.S. settlement, CIO News, ET CIO

matey

<phanes> aw freenode found one of my bait alts

techrights-news

Microsoft sham ☛ https://www.theregister.com/2022/07/25/aws_slams_microsoft_cloud_licenses/ | Source: The Register UK

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | AWS sales boss claims Microsoft's cloud licenses • The Register

matey

jealous ones still envy

techrights-news

Another reason to cancel Netflix ☛ https://www.computerworld.com/article/3667283/netflix-to-launch-ad-supported-tier-with-microsoft-in-2023.html | Source: Computer World

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Netflix to launch ad-supported tier with Microsoft in 2023 | Computerworld

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"Based on the comments on our story and comments I’ve seen across Twitter, Reddit" ☛ https://www.theverge.com/23274393/amazon-prime-video-netflix-hbo-apps-look-the-same | Source: The Verge

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Streaming video apps all look the same now - The Verge

system76 https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=es&tl=en&u=https://www.muylinux.com/2022/07/13/system76-launch-lite/

techrights-news

9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: July 24th, 2022 • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167628

Jul 25 08:41

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: July 24th, 2022 | Tux Machines

Jul 25 08:41

techrights-news

"I say this not to say "Oh, think of the poor billionaires, managing a company from their yacht parties must be so stressful! :(" but rather to point out that *everyone* is worse off under oppressive hierarchies, even when those hierarchies seem to explicitly benefit them." gemini://skylarhill.me/posts/hadestown-and-how-power-sucks.gmi

Jul 25 08:43

techrights-news

A ’70s TV With ’20s Parts ☛ https://hackaday.com/2022/07/24/a-70s-tv-with-20s-parts/ | Source: Hackaday

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phanes

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Jul 25 09:33

matey

wow

Jul 25 09:38

phanes

yeah

Jul 25 09:38

matey

sort of a technical question

Jul 25 09:38

matey

you dont think this will hurt anyone who has hypothetically been defamed by bringing more attention to it?

phanes

ill try to answer before my sleep meds kick in

matey

im sure youve thought of this

phanes

no i dont

phanes

most of the time people will hide from defamation after they've been smeared, with understandable anxiety of it coming up again, but the public optics are more sharded than they believe

matey

and the reason is because of the "whole picture" thread it provides?

phanes

yes

matey

good guess then

phanes

i think in this context, if done competently would provide some level of exoneration of these people

matey

a lot of the most damaging bullshit of course comes from taking things OUT of context

matey

you realise i assume AT LEAST one or two of these people ARE guilty

phanes

yeah i mean, my take in it is that each one of these people and their events need to be investigated just as thoroughly. if there's any merit to the claim then that needs called out.

matey

i doubt they were all wrongfully defamed. on the other hand it is possible

phanes

in which case re-hashing it is also appropriate

matey

right

phanes

nobody should be cannon fodder and nobody should get out of jail free

phanes

now

phanes

if someone's turned their life around

phanes

maybe some kind of omission can be figured out

phanes

depending on what it was

Jul 25 09:43

matey

of course

Jul 25 09:43

phanes

there are a couple avenues of retaliation for them

Jul 25 09:46

phanes

i wont say what those are

Jul 25 09:46

phanes

but i can say ive predicted them and am ready for them

Jul 25 09:46

matey

do you know who andrew tate is

matey

i dont follow british television for years now (years ago more than now) and i JUST found this guy

phanes

barely, kickboxer right?

matey

yeah, i guess

matey

arrested / trump support / kickboxer, arrested for beating wife?

matey

something something internet

phanes

didnt hear about any of this

matey

im just-- this is a aquick distraction from youtubeing

matey

the main thing i know him from-- also today-- is when he was on ultimate traveller?

matey

and i was just watching his face and OMG

matey

douchebag extraordinaire

matey

like they need a new word for douchebag

matey

i found the news AFTER that

phanes

he's a tater?

matey

sorry?

phanes

A tater: One who is like Tate

matey

hmm

matey

might work

matey

this is actually tate

matey

the guy is tate himself

matey

but if thats the joke, then yes hes like tate too

phanes

"the tater archetype"

matey

someday ill tell you who he reminds me of SO MUCH

matey

but not today

matey

ill wait until its relevant

matey

its too bad that creepy is a cliche now

matey

because too many people use to mean "someone whose traits i just dont like"

Jul 25 09:52

matey

like unfuckable...

Jul 25 09:52

matey

because its a great word for some people who really deserve it

Jul 25 09:52

matey

but you know, things get weaponised

matey

and people go on misguided crusades

matey

and people on a legit mission team up with people on bullshit etc

matey

and so it goes

phanes

Is this him? https://esports-news.co.uk/2022/07/24/andrew-tate-role-model-opinion/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-esports-news.co.uk | Andrew Tate: Dangerous role model or an internet idol?

matey

legit wars and legit missions have to be rarer, because bullshit is too easy for too many

Jul 25 09:54

phanes

b/c i heard that guy talk for like 2 minutes before my brain was like "this guy is a bitch"

Jul 25 09:54

phanes

massive douchebag

Jul 25 09:55

phanes

and i dont particularly like how he treats women

Jul 25 09:55

mjg59_

matey: Basically all the assertions that Todd made in that filing were dismissed by the court in response to further filings

Jul 25 09:56

matey

on what grounds

phanes

excapt

phanes

they weren't

phanes

*except

matey

ill be happy to hear you both out on this

matey

i doubt ill be completely satisfied any other way

mjg59_

matey: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.340308/gov.uscourts.cand.340308.53.0.pdf covers it

matey

i probably wont bother with any pdfs

matey

that may seem onesided at first

phanes

matey, long story short, the defense relied entirely on anti-slapp motions to avoid a contest of the material allegations of the case, and then settled out of court in exchange for publishing the statement "i was not raped by peter todd" on the same twitter account

*britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)

mjg59_

matey: The court concluded that 3 of Todd's claims should be sticken, and that part of his 4th shoudl be stricken

matey

when ao is a little more populated

matey

ill be happy to see some stuff on what it may omit

matey

in the meantime this is noted of course

phanes

based purely on whether they survive anti-slapp process and not a material contest though

matey

yeah and you dont like antislapp in this context

matey

which i get

phanes

at all

mjg59_

matey: It's tough to really cut it down into smaller amounts, but the rough version is that a bunch of the original claims weren't actually actionable in terms of defamation, and the assertion that he was a rapist couldn't be considered defamatory because it was based on someone asserting that he'd raped her

matey

because of the lack of material contest

phanes

that's pretty close to my understanding of it

matey

and the assertion that he was a rapist couldn't be considered defamatory because it was based on someone asserting that he'd raped her <- i dont even know what im supposed to do with that

matey

this isnt aimed at you

matey

i wouldnt know what to do with that no matter who said it

mjg59_

matey: If someone tells you that they were raped by someone, and you repeat that assertion, it's not defamatory for you to do so

matey

this isnt something i can process in realtime

phanes

unless you orchestrated that confession using your own phones

matey

matey: If someone tells you that they were raped by someone, and you repeat that assertion, it's not defamatory for you to do so <- that certainly seems straightforward enough

matey

almost every time you make a straightforward assertion

matey

phanes makes what seems like a good point

mjg59_

matey: And that's what happened here - someone told isis that she'd been raped by Todd, isis referenced that, the court concluded that wasn't defamation

matey

and funnily enough

matey

every time i think phanes has really "got you"

matey

you make a point too

matey

youre both good at this-- and at least one of you should be i guess

matey

i may simply be unqualified to weigh these points

mjg59_

matey: phanes has read a subset of the docs (as he's previously admitted), I've read all of them

matey

but for my own personal edification, ill keep trying

matey

i dont believe its (usually) as simple as you make it out to be

matey

but it MIGHT be

matey

and either way it might be ALMOST

mjg59_

matey: I mean yeah I can't be trusted to present an unbiased opinion

matey

who can?

mjg59_

matey: But I will always attempt to cite my claims here

matey

you make claims that appear compelling

mjg59_

matey: And the judge's opinion isn't super complicated

matey

and may be compelling, or even true

matey

matey: And the judge's opinion isn't super complicated <- its easy for you, you know

matey

youre already sure what happened

matey

once you take that confidence away, this looks more complicated (which isnt the same as being so)

matey

let me remind you

matey

that i REALLY suck at math

matey

and most people i know do quite well with it

mjg59_

matey: Yeah a lot of this is super into legal bullshit

matey

and to me its like an alien language

mjg59_

There's a distinction between pro quod and per se defamation

matey

not the legal stuff

phanes

im going to take it a direction that simplifies it a bit

matey

its like a weird dialect or tedious xml or a combination of the two

phanes

if you look on our scope statement on TAODB it provides the room needed to do so

matey

<phanes> im going to take it a direction that simplifies it a bit <- that can help or hurt

mjg59_

matey

what i think will really be interesting is when more people weigh in

mjg59_

Anti-SLAPP stuff is based on "Could what you said potentially result in someone being found guilty"

matey

i recall you making this point

mjg59_

And based on Todd's claims, and the defence, most of his claims could not possibly result in a guilty outcome

matey

which is fine

matey

so to avoid wasting peoples time (and money)

phanes

what a convenient interpretation

matey

im a big fan of antislapp in a corporate context of course

matey

in this sort of context i can see why phanes might hate it

matey

with or without good reason

mjg59_

There was a remaining claim which was that isis asserted that Todd had assaulted them, and because the factual aspects of that were in dispute, it would have to go to actual court to conclude

matey

either way really

matey

what makes it simple for me

matey

part of it that may not help much overall

matey

is sort of a quick 2x2 truth table

phanes

in any case, statements not found to be defamatory but serve the same purpose as definition are in scope at TAODB

mjg59_

But all of isis's other claims could simply not be considered defamatory in court based on the evidence that Todd presented, including that he was a rapist

matey

in one. you have todd is bullshit and isis isnt

matey

in the other, isis is and todd isnt

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matey

then you imagine a defamation lawsuit for each

phanes

i.e. a statement made, that was not true, that caused damage. there is no legalese at TAODB

matey

this is super basic

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matey

and if slapp CAN throw out legit complaints

matey

then thats bad for not-bullshit todd

matey

i mean i dont have to explain the other configurations, they explain themselves

matey

its easy to see how slapp could be good OR bad UNLESS it works perfectly

mjg59_

matey: If the plaintif provides meaningful evidence that the claim was untrue, it'll get through an anti-SLAPP case

matey

if it doesnt work perfectly then sooner or later someone gets the short end of the anti-slapp

mjg59_

matey: Todd simply didn't - when accused of rape he said "That's false", and provided no evidence to support his claim

matey

mjg59_> matey: If the plaintif provides meaningful evidence that the claim was untrue, it'll get through an anti-SLAPP case <- it always makes sense when you put things that way

phanes

"prove this negative"

phanes

mjg59_, can you prove that you're not a rapist?

matey

the problem is, it doesnt get me closer to figuring out which side has more credibility

matey

bob saget, etc

matey

when a judge weighs evidence, HOPEFULLY, there are witnesses

matey

what i have here are two people making opposite claims in at least one regard

mjg59_

matey: I'm honestly not skilled enough here to argue whether or not California's anti-SLAPP statute is good law

matey

i want other input

mjg59_

matey: Based on the first amendment lawyers I pay attention to, I think it is, but I can't arguie it myself

matey

<mjg59_> matey: I'm honestly not skilled enough here to argue whether or not California's anti-SLAPP statute is good law <- that makes two of us

phanes

because what i see is a whole bunch of shitwads saying horrible things about people everywhere and then screaming about anti-slapp laws when confronted about it like fucking children

matey

the thing is i love free speech

phanes

and its the same damned people every time

matey

i dont thing defamation qualifies as free speech

phanes

the same circle

matey

but that doesnt make it simple because

mjg59_

matey: But the law that the federal court interpreted to come to a conclusion here made it clear that most of Todd's case was without merit

matey

as we said earlier, defamation-- etc etc etc etc etc

phanes

and people need to be held accountable for their behaviour. freedom of speech is not freedom from consequence.

matey

<mjg59_> matey: But the law that the federal court interpreted to come to a conclusion here made it clear that most of Todd's case was without merit <- sort of a side point

mjg59_

phanes: Oh yes you are absolutely free to say anything you wish to about me, within the bounds of defamation law

matey

but have you ever noticed just how many things you say lean back on authoritative arguments? WHICH IS PROBABLY WARRANTED HERE only

matey

it doesnt make shit easier

matey

not that it always can be easy or anything

phanes

mjg59_, can you prove that you're not a rapist?

mjg59_

matey: If the argument is whether or not something is defamatory then this feels like the right metric to choose

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mjg59_

matey: There's a separate set of discussion about whether it's ok to say something that isn't defamatory

Jul 25 10:15

matey

like i said

Jul 25 10:15

matey

are you good at buffer overflows? they seem kind of archaic now, but have you ever used one in a security context?

Jul 25 10:15

mjg59_

matey: Yeah I'm happy to talk about that for myself, but in a context where someone is trying to make assertions about my partner it's tough

matey

<mjg59_> matey: Yeah I'm happy to talk about that for myself, but in a context where someone is trying to make assertions about my partner it's tough <- of course

phanes

you opened this can of worms

phanes

you insisted that it remain open when approached politely about it

matey

did he?

phanes

and then you antagonized the worms

phanes

and now you're upset that the can is still open and the worms are falling out

phanes

this is also a you problem

matey

/me can see how that applies to other instances ofc

mjg59_

matey: I refused to adhere to a set of private demands

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phanes

initially it was "hey you're saying things about me that aren't true, please take it down" and I got a full dick back in irc

phanes

then he expanded on that claim by exaggerating parts of it to try to stir up activist sentiment

phanes

as retaliation for truthfully accounting for it

phanes

and now that we're pulling the details out it turns out you have all these other people

matey

/me just reads until he can put a string of words together

phanes

and later on it turns out you have all these close associations of people that are appearing to be doing the same thing

matey

not counting that one

phanes

matey

or the second one or this, to be technical

phanes

you tell me who instigated this

matey

/me needs jerry lewis to make that cross eyed face

phanes

i didn't assert this, you're just not handling well that it blew up on you because you now are seeing consequences on the horizon for your shitty collective behaviour

mjg59_

Is it the person who registered a website to do things, or is it the person's partner who has literally never spoken to that person

mjg59_

Sorry, "other person's partner"

phanes

how many opportunities to de-escalate were provided to you?

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mjg59_

phanes: None?

phanes

mjg59_, then you're lying about that too

matey

this must be how the constitution feels after scalias been busy interpreting it

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mjg59_

Everything phanes has offered me as a "get out" has been something that would require me to lie

mjg59_

Which isn't a de-escalation

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phanes

that.. that right there. this is why you're going to keep losing.

matey

neither of you are terribly interested in "de-escalating" and im not sure i blame either of you for that in this instance

mjg59_

phanes: Yeah I love you too keep finding excuses to talk to me

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mjg59_

matey: Heh I mean if he just dropped all of this I wouldn't say anything more

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matey

thats plausible, stallmans dead

mjg59_

matey: But yeah I'm not going to say that he's not a dick

phanes

mjg59_, https://paste.silogroup.org/ekujudanor.erl

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phanes

mjg59_, did I fabricate that conversation?

phanes

or are you lying right now?

mjg59_

phanes: You promised that you'd send me a certified letter and you never did

matey

/me is just glad phanes didnt turn out to be another white supremacist

techrights-news

Microsoft GitHub Exposé — Part XXV will be published "soon". If we go at a one-per-week pace, it'll carry on another year (50+ parts).

phanes

see how he distracted from the lie?

phanes

he knows

matey

im past the point where i can notice every distraction :)

mjg59_

phanes: I said I'd make it clear I didn't accuse you of doing anything illegal if you wanted, and you refused to take me up on that

matey

even when the internet was still allowed to be crazy, it wasnt this crazy

phanes

mjg59_, nah, that's just what you said on my behalf.

matey

/me is referring to the past few years as a whole

phanes

You have a tendency to do that to people I've noticed.

techrights-news

Any project that leaves GitHub for something else is a little triumph for software freedom. If self-hosted Git, great! Sadly, Git is getting harder over time (setup). Many Git developers aren't interested in making is simple; it's just some "open core" for proprietary crap like GitHub and GitLab (salary givers). I want to see what comes AFTER Git.

phanes

Was expanding on that lie on july a de-escalation effort, or was that not a conscious decision to escalate?

phanes

No sympathy for you man. We tried nice. That doesn't work with you.

mjg59_

"We"?

mjg59_

Who is "We"?

techrights-news

"Web-based" is the next "Flash". One day many people will realise it mostly sucks and abandon it for something more secure, lighter, less dependent on Internet connectivity and server side setup, fees etc.

phanes

It's not central to the point.

mjg59_

But hey like I said, if you think I broke the law then I can give you my lawyer's address

mjg59_

And if you don't, do whatever

phanes

Look if you're not literate enough to track pronouns then maybe you shouldn't wine about them so much.

phanes

This is about ethical disposition and moral compass at this point.

mjg59_

phanes: Previously you used "I" to refer to yourself

phanes

It's not something I'm terribly movable on.

mjg59_

phanes: If you're plural then I apologise, I'll use appropriate pronouns in future

phanes

I was early on before alot of this came out.

phanes

Movable on thsi*

matey

christ

phanes

but now after seeing all this I don't think we have much room for compromise

Jul 25 10:29

mjg59_

phanes: What are your pronouns?

Jul 25 10:29

phanes

To reiterate: No sympathy for you man. We tried nice. That doesn't work with you.

Jul 25 10:30

mjg59_

phanes: What are your pronouns?

Jul 25 10:30

techrights-news

Defeatists of the world, calm down. The neo-fascists aren't winning. More than 80% of the globe does not do "Smart" things and more than 90% uses cash all the time. It's easy to judge the future ahead based on those who surround us (in our vicinity). Many will put up resistance, not for being Luddites but for being rational, practical. We're still the "digital majority".

Jul 25 10:30

phanes

goin to bed yall, take care matey

matey

its probably my imagination, but britney seems like the nicest person ive met in here

matey

night phanes

mjg59_

matey: Britney does seem like a good person

schestowitz[TR2]

britney has been on and off with us since pre 2010

Jul 25 10:33

matey

so shes said

Jul 25 10:33

schestowitz[TR2]

before all that david ike bs

Jul 25 10:33

matey

nobodys perfect i guess

Jul 25 10:34

schestowitz[TR2]

at least it doesn't come up much anyore

schestowitz[TR2]

it can easily be used to discredit everyone here

techrights-news

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matey

cool about the moon though

schestowitz[TR2]

what's amusing is that mjg tires to paint us all as an anti-trans thing, when in fact for many years we were always about 5% trans, sometimes highere

schestowitz[TR2]

*higher

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matey

what's amusing is that mjg tires to paint us all as an anti-trans thing <- i think its more accurate to say that he butts heads with any individual he perceives as being transphobic

schestowitz[TR2]

he shoudl take on isis

schestowitz[TR2]

isis slaughters people for much less

schestowitz[TR2]

infiudeals

schestowitz[TR2]

gays

schestowitz[TR2]

*infidels

matey

<schestowitz[TR2]> he shoudl take on isis <- if this is pun not intended, you have pun not intended disease

schestowitz[TR2]

but I assume his finance chose the name before isil/isis hijacked the acronym

schestowitz[TR2]

*fiance

matey

it was an egyptian name before it was a terrorist group

schestowitz[TR2]

yeah

schestowitz[TR2]

some businesses here was called Isis

schestowitz[TR2]

so their ads become transge

schestowitz[TR2]

*strange

matey

and the name of a goddess-- which is why its REALLY WEIRD to have an ISLAMic (monotheist) terrorist group called that

schestowitz[TR2]

like the marketing slogan

matey

but its an acronym right?

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schestowitz[TR2]

matey: nobody reads it as an acronym

matey

"you guys named yourselves after an egyptian goddess?"

schestowitz[TR2]

because of the vowels

schestowitz[TR2]

unlike YMCA

matey

"no, that was achmed, we constantly give him shit for it"

schestowitz[TR2]

"i kill ya!"|

schestowitz[TR2]

matey: I have new examples of github beingf rejected

schestowitz[TR2]

it's like skype circa 2016

matey

if ymca was a terrorist group, they would round people up and make them play sports with automatic weapons aimed at them

matey

"PLAY, PLAY PLAY!"

matey

"but..."

matey

BANG!

schestowitz[TR2]

give it another half a decade, maybe github will be 20% of new projects

schestowitz[TR2]

or less

matey

"I SAID PLAY NOW!"

schestowitz[TR2]

microsoft keeps the cards close to its chest

schestowitz[TR2]

read: hides it

schestowitz[TR2]

like vista 11 usage number

schestowitz[TR2]

that ALWAYS means it's not goo

schestowitz[TR2]

because they lose to boast and exaggerate

schestowitz[TR2]

so I assure you they have reasons for concern there

schestowitz[TR2]

CEO removed

schestowitz[TR2]

I posted in another channel the gravevine stuff

schestowitz[TR2]

why he was thrown under the buss

schestowitz[TR2]

miguel also... still studying material from a legla case

schestowitz[TR2]

Microsoft is not ina good shape, BUT IT IS FIGHTING LIKE HELL

matey

if ymca was a terrorist group, steve ballmer could be the youth coach

schestowitz[TR2]

some people thought one day Microsoft will just gfo,

schestowitz[TR2]

"well, ok, Linux won"

schestowitz[TR2]

and lie down

schestowitz[TR2]

but Windows is sttill out there

matey

i think that was esr

schestowitz[TR2]

not they put up the bolts on laptops

schestowitz[TR2]

"secure" boot

schestowitz[TR2]

they are fighting

schestowitz[TR2]

and they try to capture all our orgs

schestowitz[TR2]

decapitation strategy

schestowitz[TR2]

SPI paid by Microsoft

schestowitz[TR2]

hired lawyers

matey

if ymca was a terrorist group, you think esrs militia would kill them?

schestowitz[TR2]

attacks people who criticise Microsoft

schestowitz[TR2]

btw, Arch is also connected to SPI

matey

<schestowitz[TR2]> and they try to capture all our orgs <- seems to be working

schestowitz[TR2]

so similar problems over the horizon

matey

<schestowitz[TR2]> btw, Arch is also connected to SPI <- GROSS

schestowitz[TR2]

matey: it is esr's "OBLIGATION"

schestowitz[TR2]

apropois:

*schestowitz[TR2] finds link

matey

obladi, obliga, mote it be, YAAAAA

matey

YAYA crazy esr

matey

ive seen it

schestowitz[TR2]

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matey

im all for a well-organised militia, but are the viking hats mandatory?

Jul 25 10:45

matey

hey roy do you know andrew tate? not like personally

Jul 25 10:46

schestowitz[TR2]

Jul 25 10:46

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Jul 25 10:46

schestowitz[TR2]

only "now"...

Jul 25 10:47

schestowitz[TR2]

I thought it would be some sugar tycoon/heir

Jul 25 10:48

matey

may be i never heard of him before today

Jul 25 10:49

matey

i guess hes been arrested

Jul 25 10:49

matey

"ive never exploited anyone in my life"-- andrew tate as a man in the prime of his career

Jul 25 10:51

matey

"im going to manipulate them all"-- andrew tate in a reality show with a $10,000 prize

matey

"use them as weapons"

schestowitz[TR2]

he seems to be tied with luton

matey

reality tv is REALLY terrible

schestowitz[TR2]

when you say luton in the UK these days peoole get ideas

matey

i wont judge luton for their misfortune

matey

i guess everyone else does

matey

i still associate luton with morcambe and wise, but im sure thats out of date

matey

morcambe is dead and i have no idea what the status of ernie wise is

schestowitz[TR2]

now it's infested with two sides of the religious wars

schestowitz[TR2]

eds et al

schestowitz[TR2]

edl

matey

yay

schestowitz[TR2]

openbytes' tim used to live there

schestowitz[TR2]

it's known for racists and airport

schestowitz[TR2]

lol racist aipor.. maybe

matey

is the airport racist?

schestowitz[TR2]

schestowitz[TR2]

not that I saw

matey

they probably all are

matey

most of the planes are white

schestowitz[TR2]

but I was there several times and I remember when they confisicstacated an ol' ladies water plastic bobble wiuth just ice in it

schestowitz[TR2]

she could not save her new fashionable bottle

schestowitz[TR2]

as she could not melt the ice

schestowitz[TR2]

solid

schestowitz[TR2]

maybe they thought it was "anti-freeze" ^_^

matey

why did they confiscate it

schestowitz[TR2]

obviously she was gonna bomb the place

matey

auntie freeze

schestowitz[TR2]

with her icy beverage plastic bottle

schestowitz[TR2]

if it was water, she could empty it and keep the bottle

schestowitz[TR2]

she was next to me

matey

after batman returns you just cant be too careful

schestowitz[TR2]

and they didn't say much

schestowitz[TR2]

just took it away like a bunch of zombies

schestowitz[TR2]

probably stole it later (the staff)

schestowitz[TR2]

"that's a nice bottle you got there, it'd be a shame...";

matey

like taking a bottle from an old lady

schestowitz[TR2]

bottle of ice

schestowitz[TR2]

solid

schestowitz[TR2]

obv. a bomkb

schestowitz[TR2]

and later they wonder why people like me won't fly

matey

that was just cold

schestowitz[TR2]

cold as ice

Jul 25 10:58

matey

ive seen it before it happens all the time

Jul 25 10:58

techrights-ipfs-bot

schestowitz[TR2]

luton is where many of the "budget" 'air' 'lines' go

schestowitz[TR2]

to save money

schestowitz[TR2]

and then have tourists go another 40 mins by train/bus

matey

runway is always clear because who the fuck wants to go to luton anyway

matey

"yalriiiiight?"

schestowitz[TR2]

budget travelklers

schestowitz[TR2]

we used to have gatwick as a client

schestowitz[TR2]

deployed some free sofwtare for them

schestowitz[TR2]

on panels and such

schestowitz[TR2]

because we sucked

matey

i heard

schestowitz[TR2]

and lost many of the talented staff

schestowitz[TR2]

*before

schestowitz[TR2]

now we suck

matey

open suck

schestowitz[TR2]

we're like mozilla in 2 years

schestowitz[TR2]

we were mozilla before the pandemic

schestowitz[TR2]

now we're mozilla++

matey

does the ceo get paid like that? i bet not

schestowitz[TR2]

haha, no

schestowitz[TR2]

he took paycut, he said

matey

im sure he wouldnt mind, he could buy the company and-- i dunno

matey

probably about ready to retire anyway

schestowitz[TR2]

I will leave "soon"

matey

one of the best words in tech

matey

and the worst

schestowitz[TR2]

hence quotes

schestowitz[TR2]

I cannot say when

matey

that one always has quotes

schestowitz[TR2]

negotiating money

schestowitz[TR2]

11.5 years is a lot in accrued capital

Jul 25 11:04

mjg59_

schestowitz[TR2]: I feel like "not as bad as ISIS" is not the standard we should hold our communities to

Jul 25 11:04

*schestowitz[TR2] wastes no time arguing over this anymore

schestowitz[TR2]

matey: I did some online calculator thing

mjg59_

If ISIS thought software patents were bad, I'd still criticise them

schestowitz[TR2]

I might be entitled to 17k

schestowitz[TR2]

almost's a year's salary

techrights-news

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mjg59_

schestowitz[TR2]: When did you last criticise a transphobic group?

matey

<schestowitz[TR2]> almost's a year's salary <- wild

Jul 25 11:08

matey

<mjg59_> schestowitz[TR2]: When did you last criticise a transphobic group? <- in the vaguest terms he probably does so often

Jul 25 11:09

matey

if only inadvertently

Jul 25 11:09

matey

/me can think of two trans individuals who are probably the best people to try to hold roy to his trans-supportive obligations

Jul 25 11:11

matey

unless theyve tried and failed

Jul 25 11:12

techrights-news

Berlin Mini GUADEC 2022 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167633#comment-34426

Jul 25 11:12

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Jul 25 11:12

techrights-news

SUSE is not about GNU/Linux anymore https://www.suse.com/c/navigating-the-rapidly-evolving-world-of-retail/

Jul 25 11:13

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Jul 25 11:13

matey

make it three, but i think the other two are more fair

matey

(to them, i mean)

techrights-news

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schestowitz[TR2]

matey: they should ask Torvalds

schestowitz[TR2]

not that he would answer

schestowitz[TR2]

would say he's busy, go to another room

schestowitz[TR2]

when it comes to EPO

schestowitz[TR2]

we had a very awesome transactivist helping us

schestowitz[TR2]

making caricatures and making full article translations from dutch

schestowitz[TR2]

one day I mistakenly conflated identity and gander

schestowitz[TR2]

and she flipped out over it

schestowitz[TR2]

*gender

schestowitz[TR2]

I didn't even understand what I had done

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matey

some people on the left are extremely sensitive about honest mistakes

matey

some have good reason to be. others are jerks

schestowitz[TR2]

hypersensitive in this case

schestowitz[TR2]

blocked me right away

matey

the right portrays itself as thick skinned. we all know this is bullshit

schestowitz[TR2]

no chance to explain to me the difference, around 2015 that was

schestowitz[TR2]

lesser awareness back then

matey

stress and trauma are two things i think you dont understand really well

Jul 25 11:20

matey

but then thats not uncommon

Jul 25 11:20

matey

im not saying you havent experienced stress and trauma

Jul 25 11:21

matey

ive certainly experienced some things i dont really much understand

Jul 25 11:21

matey

like im not a biologist, so any time ive been sick, my understanding of it has limits

Jul 25 11:21

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Jul 25 11:22

mjg59_

schestowitz[TR2]: People who've had to deal with a lot of shit in the physical world are usually not tolerant of dealing with the same in the virtual world

Jul 25 11:22

mjg59_

schestowitz[TR2]: They can just choose to be in online places where they don't deal with it instead

*techuser (~techuser@6nvxnbfs9k26u.irc) has joined #techrights

matey

at least until those online places get taken over by people who say they have no right to be there :)

mjg59_

schestowitz[TR2]: If people don't have a belief that you're someone they can trust to have a decent conversation on the topic with then the easy thing is to just peace out

matey

i think roys complaint that he wasnt given a chance is plausible

Jul 25 11:25

matey

i think the guess that such a conversation would be frustrating (to the point of being pointless) is possible

mjg59_

matey: I agree, but my guess would be it's based on history not just a single incident. I might well be wrong.

techrights-news

just received by post: we'll give you 5 pounds to participate in survey (online). But MANDATES "QR code"... so I guess the survey will exclude people like us who don't use mobile "phone". How NOT to conduct surveys.

matey

this is a community where youd have to be obtuse just to stay here for a few days

schestowitz[TR2]

online escapism is a huge problem in kids

schestowitz[TR2]

some aree incapable of interacting with people facer to face

schestowitz[TR2]

those born just before covid-19 will have cues deficit

matey

that isnt entirely new

schestowitz[TR2]

until an older age

https://luxai.com/robot-for-teaching-children-with-autism-at-home/

schestowitz[TR2]

I heard of people who use "self-service" because they are anxious about facing a real person

Jul 25 11:29

schestowitz[TR2]

esp. a streranger

Jul 25 11:29

matey

Jul 25 11:29

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schestowitz[TR2]

meanwhile, biden fist-bumpsd a murderer

schestowitz[TR2]

putin did a high-five with him just months after jamal's "culling"

schestowitz[TR2]

so oiligarchs and oligarchs (overlap exists) don't value life

schestowitz[TR2]

we see it here in covid-19 policies

schestowitz[TR2]

football resumes next week, packed stadiums

matey

<schestowitz[TR2]> I heard of people who use "self-service" because they are anxious about facing a real person <- the amount of othering you do, and the sheer number of traits you decide to other

matey

im sure you have no idea how staggering it is

schestowitz[TR2]

the staff is usually forced to be polite

matey

but the only thing not "normal" about this stuff is the rate

schestowitz[TR2]

happiness is not optional

matey

<schestowitz[TR2]> happiness is not optional <- thats bad management

schestowitz[TR2]

matey: I didn't see surveys across time lapses

matey

im curious-- and im curious because i DONT think it comes from the "top"

schestowitz[TR2]

but I was sold those by apologists of self-checkout

schestowitz[TR2]

and those machines did not exist before but were totally feasible to make

matey

<schestowitz[TR2]> matey: I didn't see surveys across time lapses <- this would not require your formal training in statistics

matey

im curious-- and im curious because i DONT think it comes from the "top"

matey

where the bad management comes from

schestowitz[TR2]

it's hard to judge and compare

schestowitz[TR2]

as things changed

matey

if its the ceo i dont expect you to say

matey

but i actually assume its NOT the ceo

schestowitz[TR2]

when I was a kid, if another kid screamed, it would peiece my ears

schestowitz[TR2]

that does not happen anymore

matey

thats why its a small mystery

schestowitz[TR2]

as mny hearing range and amplitutes aren;'t ther same

schestowitz[TR2]

and same for how I perceive people's shyness

schestowitz[TR2]

so comparing studies across generations is a hard problem

schestowitz[TR2]

because of perspective, scopes

matey

society evolves

matey

or if you prefer, all men are devo

schestowitz[TR2]

also, as kids, it was common to let uis walk on our own in the streets

matey

yeah

schestowitz[TR2]

I am quite sure oit objective got worse since tthen

schestowitz[TR2]

*objectively

schestowitz[TR2]

and can be measured, too

schestowitz[TR2]

now there are laws that can impact parents

matey

helicopter parenting is bad for society yes

schestowitz[TR2]

ranging from fines to loss of custody or "training"

matey

whether in its literal form (with actual heli-- kidding) whether literally with parents

schestowitz[TR2]

in trick and treat we don't get kids anymore

schestowitz[TR2]

now it's parents

matey

or figuratively with all this spy on your kid tech

schestowitz[TR2]

and a bunch of kids with them

schestowitz[TR2]

speaking for them

schestowitz[TR2]

to "protect" them

matey

fucking movies and sensationalist

schestowitz[TR2]

i mean, it's not like people here open the doors wearing robes and varnishing candy

matey

the kids would be safe if esr armed them all and took them to the range

Jul 25 11:36

matey

i do think a well-armed populace is a good idea. im sure there are sane people who can assess how to teach kids about guns, but that counts out esr

schestowitz[TR2]

militia fatacists

schestowitz[TR2]

if you ask them to be less armed, then they make the excuses

schestowitz[TR2]

like, NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE are armed

schestowitz[TR2]

*fanatics/fantasists

matey

im sure youre familiar with the concept of a therapeutic dose

matey

it can be lower or higher than therapeutic

schestowitz[TR2]

esr is gone btw

schestowitz[TR2]

he stopped blogging

matey

though im not sure if you can have too many guns if theyre distributed well enough and people are responsible with them

matey

you keep saying that

schestowitz[TR2]

rms was not happy about how esr had been trated

schestowitz[TR2]

but that was after they did the same to rms

matey

rms doesnt really seem to know whats going on

schestowitz[TR2]

so maybe on some level there was solidarity. #metoo #cancelculture

matey

id just assume hes being lied to regularly

matey

like the king in the two towers

schestowitz[TR2]

for the planet, morew guns are good

matey

i dont think #metoo is used that way

schestowitz[TR2]

for the planet

schestowitz[TR2]

it's humans lowering their numbers

matey

the planet will manage. its the humans who need to get their shit together

schestowitz[TR2]

i THINK NUCLEAR CONFLICT IS ALSO LESS VALUABLE WITH GUERILLA WARFARE (RIFLES)

schestowitz[TR2]

sorry, caps

matey

its funny when you do that

schestowitz[TR2]

you can see the small i

schestowitz[TR2]

I am eating

schestowitz[TR2]

rianne made rice pudding

matey

good stuff

schestowitz[TR2]

she goes to yorkshire tomorrow, leaving me on my own for 3 days

matey

if theres enough pudding that will keep you going for a few days

schestowitz[TR2]

freezer is full

Jul 25 11:42

matey

nice

Jul 25 11:42

matey

have you seen phanes website

schestowitz[TR2]

schestowitz[TR2]

I keep distance

matey

hes so meticulous about the data

matey

its like a zen rock garden

schestowitz[TR2]

tbh, I don't like his methods

schestowitz[TR2]

and he harmed freenode

schestowitz[TR2]

said a freenode nda is due to expire next year

schestowitz[TR2]

so we may know what exactly happened in 20221

matey

he and ariadne are frenemies? enemies?

matey

former associates

schestowitz[TR2]

"if that your "sword of truth" or are you just excited to see me?"

matey

ill-wanted aquaintances

techrights-news

[PATCH 0/5] drm/vkms: Add ConfigFS Support - Jim Shargo ⚓ https://lore.kernel.org/dri-devel/20220722215001.1380608-1-jshargo@chromium.org/ ䷉ Source: chromium | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lore.kernel.org/dri-devel/20220722215001.1380608-1-jshargo@chromium.org/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lore.kernel.org | [PATCH 0/5] drm/vkms: Add ConfigFS Support - Jim Shargo

matey

he enjoys a bit of theatrics

techrights-news

MediaTek buddies with back doors company that makes defective chips. Taking note... https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/newsroom/news/intel-july-2022-announce.html

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Intel and MediaTek Form Foundry Partnership

matey

quite modestly, compared to esr

matey

then again, maybe i just havent known him long enough (or at all)

Jul 25 11:47

matey

<schestowitz[TR2]> tbh, I don't like his methods <- i realise your protest may extend beyond this example but

Jul 25 11:48

techrights-news

Intel and Microsoft love to "sponsor" (read: buy, corrupt, infiltrate) CS labs. Seen it all before. Do not go study in a university that "partners" with those malicious companies. You don't learn, you're being preached to (corporate religion).

Jul 25 11:48

matey

you seem to be against ANY serious confrontation with the coup

Jul 25 11:48

matey

that would certainly include what hes doing

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[PATCH 0/9] Samsung Trinity NPU device driver - Jiho Chu ⚓ https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220725065308.2457024-1-jiho.chu@samsung.com/ ䷉ Source: samsung | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220725065308.2457024-1-jiho.chu@samsung.com/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lore.kernel.org | [PATCH 0/9] Samsung Trinity NPU device driver - Jiho Chu

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Does DARPA/DoD "approve" Chinese patches in Linux? [PATCH 0/4] faster kexec reboot - Albert Huang ⚓ https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220725083904.56552-1-huangjie.albert@bytedance.com/ ䷉ Source: bytedance | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220725083904.56552-1-huangjie.albert@bytedance.com/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lore.kernel.org | [PATCH 0/4] faster kexec reboot - Albert Huang

http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/freenode-takes-control-of-fsf-channel.txt

schestowitz[TR2]

<matey> then again, maybe i just havent known him long enough (or at all)

Jul 25 11:50

schestowitz[TR2]

Jul 25 11:50

techrights-news

Ewww.. DRM on GNU/Linux https://trendoceans.com/watch-netflix-linux/

Jul 25 11:51

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-trendoceans.com | Watching Netflix on Linux with Chrome/Firefox - TREND OCEANS

Jul 25 11:51

matey

@bagira And not in any way related to me falling off a uhaul and landing on my knee a few weeks later.

matey

and landing on my knee

matey

a few weeks later.

matey

where the fuck was he parked

techrights-news

Software freedom isn't a battle that can be won, only forever fought. Those who oppose it do so for ideological reasons (they want total power), going back to the beginning of "time" (human civilisation). So the process of fending off, fighting back is what's important. Every little helps.

Jul 25 11:53

psydruid

> [notice] Intel and MediaTek Form Foundry Partnership

psydruid

This is not actually a bad thing, as this will allow Intel to go back to its roots as a semiconductor fabrication company

psydruid

There should be many more of those from more companies, so chips can be manufactured based on the best conditions for the chip designer

psydruid

So far there are TSMC, Samsung, Intel, GlobalFoundries, SMIC, ST, Bosch and a number of smaller ones

matey

im too tired to process 8,000 lines of text i already looked at (almost certainly) last year

schestowitz[TR2]

there is am key portion

schestowitz[TR2]

where banning starts

matey

i dont doubt it

http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/fsf-channel-canceled.txt

schestowitz[TR2]

schestowitz[TR2]

shorter

matey

i probably wouldnt like him as an ircop

schestowitz[TR2]

irkkkop

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 25/07/2022: Berlin Mini GUADEC 2022, DebConf23 Dates Announced | Techrights

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Today’s 𝘛𝘶𝘹 𝘔𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴 Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167641

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines

schestowitz[TR2]

here, MinceR is the cop

Jul 25 12:01

schestowitz[TR2]

if orban entered

Jul 25 12:01

schestowitz[TR2]

instant or-BAN

Jul 25 12:01

techrights-news

Nonsensical, worthless gimmicks to melt greenwashing yuppies https://spectrum.ieee.org/mobile-ev-charging-robot

Jul 25 12:03

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-spectrum.ieee.org | This Car Charger Bot Will Also Hold Your Spot - IEEE Spectrum

Jul 25 12:03

matey

if he murdered orban on sight i wouldnt be too shocked about it

Jul 25 12:03

matey

maybe we could give him a medal

techrights-news

HEY HI (AI).... it's everywhere, it's omnipotent, omnipresent... HEY HEY HEY HEY HEY HEY HEY HEY HEY HEY HEY HE HEY HEY.. show some respect to the HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI https://www.wsj.com/articles/what-ai-still-doesnt-know-how-to-do-11657891316

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-What AI Still Doesn’t Know How to Do - WSJ

matey

as for phanes

matey

and a bunch of other people

matey

freenode was fucked for some time

matey

joe rogan talked about what it does to you

matey

to be in charge of security at a concert even

matey

maybe having ops on too large a network for too long

matey

makes a lot of people feel like a great flood isnt such a bad idea

techrights-news

Cargo cults spreading with hype https://news.yale.edu/2022/06/29/blockchain-not-just-bitcoin-it-can-secure-and-store-genomes-too

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.yale.edu | Blockchain not just for bitcoin: It can secure and store genomes, too | YaleNews

matey

cleanse the earth again

matey

its not a great idea

matey

but it happens?

schestowitz[TR2]

after we die :-)

schestowitz[TR2]

obviously

matey

that would be the whole point, yes

matey

and this is about freednode

schestowitz[TR2]

we'll never live to see it

schestowitz[TR2]

but

schestowitz[TR2]

one person might temporarily see it

schestowitz[TR2]

the binary switch

schestowitz[TR2]

on the death bed

schestowitz[TR2]

"annnnnd... i'm GONE"

schestowitz[TR2]

technicallyu we don't know the name of the last dinosaur to live

schestowitz[TR2]

some bird look like dinosaurs to me

matey

philip

schestowitz[TR2]

*birds

matey

chickens are small dinosaurs

matey

so is pelosi

Jul 25 12:08

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"Being anonymous on the internet isn't impossible, but it sure as hell isn't easy either. You have a name, a face, and email address, a phone number... these things, and more, are being asked of us all the time to prove our legitimacy on countless websites." http://flower.codes/2022/07/22/anonymity-pseudonymity.html

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Brain-computer interface (BCI) startup Synchron implanted a wire-electrode combination in the brain of a U.S. patient with amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, attempting to enable the patient to perform thought-powered Web surfing, email, and texting. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-18/brain-computer-interface-company-implants-new-type-of-device

Jul 25 12:10

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Jul 25 12:10

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Webspam again. Catalogues disguised as "reviews" or "comparisons" (spammy links). The WWW is dead, it just doesn't know it yet. Spam/noise to signal ratio is awful. https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/best-laptops/

Jul 25 12:12

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | The 9 Best Laptops for 2022 | Reviews by Wirecutter

Jul 25 12:12

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Microsoft (NSA) lying: "The gist of Microsoft’s 2010 Windows Phone campaign was the same — everyone devotes too much attention to their phones and Microsoft has hit upon a solution." The solution is not to have one! https://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/10/11/wp7-ad

Jul 25 12:14

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-daringfireball.net | Daring Fireball: First Windows Phone 7 Ad From Microsoft

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Imagine wasting your time on bullshit like this... https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/splash-screen-in-android/

Jul 25 12:15

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.geeksforgeeks.org | Splash Screen in Android - GeeksforGeeks

Jul 25 12:15

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"Gates panicked, lied to Brainerd"... is Brainerd dead yet? https://liam-on-linux.dreamwidth.org/84930.html

Jul 25 12:16

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-liam-on-linux.dreamwidth.org | liam_on_linux | Why MS Word jumped from version 2 to version 6

Jul 25 12:16

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The Bill Gates lesson: BRIBE the media and it'll idolise it DESPITE your role enabling a child sex smuggling ring

Jul 25 12:17

techrights-news

Even Warren B, Bill's BFF, found Gates role in enabling Jeffrey Epstein, his other BFF, too much to swallow. And he's in his 80s, his not an 8 year old...

Jul 25 12:19

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WARNING: Don’t Toast your Steam Deck (plus other Deck news) - Invidious ⚓ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=m0H3Yte_BDs | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/m0H3Yte_BDs

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | WARNING: Don't Toast your Steam Deck (plus other Deck news) - Invidious

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"In the thirty-sixth episode of the WordPress Briefing, Josepha Haden Chomphosy revisits the Beginner’s Guide to Contributions to the WordPress open source project." https://wordpress.org/news/2022/07/episode-36-beginners-guide-to-contributions-2-0/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wordpress.org | Episode 36: Beginner’s Guide to Contributions 2.0 – WordPress News

https://pine64eu.com/product/14-inch-pinebook-pro-linux-laptop-ansi-us-keyboard/

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BT does not belong on earpieces. It's a waste of circuitry https://www.addictivetips.com/apple-2/how-to-change-the-name-of-your-airpods/

Jul 25 12:21

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"Look ma! No cords/wires" is the nea sneakers with lights in 'em... totally impractical, overrated. The power of marketing.

Jul 25 12:22

techrights-news

We should remind people that using wireless devices where wired works perfectly well is BAD FOR THE PLANET. E.g. "wireless" mice... that might generate a big pile of chemical batteries in their lifetime.

Jul 25 12:24

techrights-news

Brazil commits genocide against the rainforests and pollutes rivers, says the hypocritical yuppie on a jumbo aircraft, running a laptop on batteries while flying from one country which completely deforested itself to another country which completely deforested itself.

Jul 25 12:28

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CPU-X The Best Linux Alternative Of CPU-Z • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167642

Jul 25 12:29

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | CPU-X The Best Linux Alternative Of CPU-Z | Tux Machines

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Average number of incoming links in Geminispace peaked weeks ago gemini://botond.online/en/stats/

Jul 25 12:33

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E44: Open Source Auth-as-a-Service by Aserto https://anchor.fm/ossstartuppodcast/episodes/E44-Open-Source-Auth-as-a-Service-by-Aserto-e1lh3od "-as-a-Service" typically means as a serf, not software freedom, even if the server side is FS-based

Jul 25 12:43

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-anchor.fm | E44: Open Source Auth-as-a-Service by Aserto by Open Source Startup Podcast

Jul 25 12:43

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"Hello everyone. This is a brief update on the Ham project - a drop in replacement for the Jam build system. For those more curious about the technical details, there will be a larger blog post on Ham’s action modifier implementation coming soon." https://www.haiku-os.org/blog/dominicm/2022-07-21_gsoc_2022_ham_status_update/

Jul 25 12:44

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.haiku-os.org | [GSoC 2022] Ham: Status Update | Haiku Project

Jul 25 12:44

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Clickfraud spamnil is now doping on the fraud. Take my word for it: just a matter of time before Gulag suspends his YouTube channel. How does James Zemlin (and Sheela Microsoft) justify such practices? http://techrights.org/2022/06/08/lf-defrauding-clients/

Jul 25 12:47

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | New Lows: Linux Foundation Defrauding Clients | Techrights

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UK Not Testing Enough for COVID-19 (More Than 1 in 10 Now Test Positive, But Testing Rates at New Lows) https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/07/25/not-enough-tests/

Jul 25 13:00

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » UK Not Testing Enough for COVID-19 (More Than 1 in 10 Now Test Positive, But Testing Rates at New Lows)

Jul 25 13:00

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Brexitnaro Johnson killed our economy

Jul 25 13:01

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Jul 25 13:01

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On GNOME advocacy • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167643

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | On GNOME advocacy | Tux Machines

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psydroid2

Jul 25 13:17

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pine64eu.com | 14″ PINEBOOK Pro LINUX LAPTOP - PINE64 EU

Jul 25 13:17

psydroid2

you get 2 years of warranty but it's out of stock

Jul 25 13:18

psydroid2

hopefully they'll start working on a new one with a better SoC

Jul 25 13:18

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[Meme] The EPO’s Great Leap Forward | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/07/25/magampinos-great-leap-forward/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/25/magampinos-great-leap-forward/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] The EPO’s Great Leap Forward | Techrights

matey

you get 2 years of warranty but it's out of stock

matey

sweet

matey

hopefully they'll start working on a new one with a better SoC <- yeah

matey

<schestowitz[TR2]> technicallyu we don't know the name of the last dinosaur to live <- nessie!

schestowitz[TR2]

as if..

matey

or bessie

matey

or tessie

schestowitz[TR2]

she mated with a small dino

schestowitz[TR2]

a rooster

https://ircz.de/p/22070813

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[Meme] The EPO’s Unprecedented Surge | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/07/25/epo-unprecedented-surge-animation/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/25/epo-unprecedented-surge-animation/

Jul 25 13:49

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] The EPO’s Unprecedented Surge | Techrights

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HP Dev One Linux Laptop Review: The Best for Linux • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167644

Jul 25 13:55

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | HP Dev One Linux Laptop Review: The Best for Linux | Tux Machines

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Ariadne

5:45 AM <matey> he and ariadne are frenemies? enemies?

Jul 25 14:27

Ariadne

neither

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MinceR

25 130142 < schestowitz[TR2]> if orban entered

Jul 25 14:44

MinceR

he would be amusing

Jul 25 14:44

MinceR

considering that he believes he speaks english, but doesn't

Jul 25 14:45

MinceR

"no majgrenc mor in"

Jul 25 14:45

MinceR

Jul 25 14:51

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/8ldxue0a8d991.jpg created on 2022-07-08 03:26:28.683630

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MinceR

Soros' money was wasted on orban's education

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Mozilla Firefox 103 Is Now Available for Download, This Is What’s New • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167645

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mozilla Firefox 103 Is Now Available for Download, This Is What’s New | Tux Machines

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psydroid2

https://www.cable.co.uk/energy/worldwide-pricing/

Jul 25 15:28

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cable.co.uk | Worldwide Electricity Pricing | Energy Cost Per KWh in 230 Countries

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Inside the Minds of Microsoft’s Media Operatives — Part III — Attacking Real Security, Promoting Lies and Fake ’Security’ | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/07/25/nontechnical-security-talking-points/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/25/nontechnical-security-talking-points/

Jul 25 15:37

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Inside the Minds of Microsoft’s Media Operatives — Part III — Attacking Real Security, Promoting Lies and Fake ‘Security’ | Techrights

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[MEME] Sneak Preview: EPO Chain Gang Movie | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/07/25/epo-sadists/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/25/epo-sadists/

Jul 25 15:40

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [MEME] Sneak Preview: EPO Chain Gang Movie | Techrights

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XRevan86

https://theins.press/en/news/253484 https://theins.press/en/news/253493

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-theins.press | “If you don't go to war, they’ll put you in a pit”: A secret prison for Russian soldiers who refuse to go to war

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-theins.press | “If we blaze the trail, others will follow”: The parents of Russian “balkers” enter the “LPR” to rescue their children from detention

https://theins.press/en/news/253499

XRevan86

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-theins.press | Philosophy professor fined for a sad emoji under an anti-war post

https://nitter.net/christogrozev/status/1551535542180929536

schestowitz[TR2]

Jul 25 15:45

XRevan86

https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/07/25/fsb-accuses-journalist-grozev-of-plotting-to-steal-russian-aircraft-by-order-of-ukraine-news "FSB accuses journalist Grozev of plotting to steal Russian aircraft by order of Ukraine"

Jul 25 15:45

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-novayagazeta.eu | Новая газета. Европа

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XRevan86

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"Hello Smol world :-) Trying out this new platform!" gemini://jb.smol.pub/hello-world

Jul 25 15:46

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.net | Christo Grozev (@christogrozev): "Today FSB announced that they have “foiled a plot by Ukraine’s intelligence services” to lure Russian military pilots to surrender to Ukraine – with their planes – in return for millions of USD in payments (thread)."|nitter

XRevan86

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1551535542180929536.html this link is more appropriate

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-threadreaderapp.com | Thread by @christogrozev on Thread Reader App – Thread Reader App

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SpellBinding: ABLOPTY Wordo: NASAL gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2022-07-25.gmi

https://nitter.net/JuliaDavisNews/status/1551415164821540864

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"I have a little clock app that I use on my Raspberry Pi 0. It is written in Go. The Pi0 is a slow machine, so compiling Go code is actually pretty painful, despite the language having a reputation for fast compile times." gemini://tozip.chickenkiller.com/2022-07-25-pl.gmi

Jul 25 15:49

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FreeBSD Firewall gemini://tozip.chickenkiller.com/freebsd-firewall.gmi

Jul 25 15:49

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figlet test gemini://tozip.chickenkiller.com/figlet.gmi

Jul 25 15:50

XRevan86

Jul 25 15:50

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.net | Julia Davis (@JuliaDavisNews): "Meanwhile on Russian state TV: nationalist writer Alexander Prokhanov, who has been promoting Russia's war against Ukraine, is now being presented as a great artist. His strange, infantile "art" seems to be deliberately designed to promote the invasion of Ukraine to children."|nitter

Jul 25 15:50

XRevan86

https://en.zona.media/article/2022/06/12/natg

Jul 25 15:51

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.zona.media | ”We drove aimlessly through fields for days.“ After the invasion began, hundreds of Russian National Guard servicemen refused to fight in Ukraine and returned home

Jul 25 15:51

XRevan86

CIT (War in Ukraine): https://telegra.ph/Dispatch-for-July-25-07-23 , forgot about it earlier.

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-telegra.ph | Dispatch for July 22 – Telegraph

schestowitz[TR2]

not an emojhlow morale

schestowitz[TR2]

for russian troops

schestowitz[TR2]

no goal

schestowitz[TR2]

not an emoji

schestowitz[TR2]

schestowitz[TR2]

so no fines

schestowitz[TR2]

*low morale

Jul 25 15:55

XRevan86

schestowitz: No illegal asterisks either.

Jul 25 15:55

techrights-news

Today in #Techrights • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167646

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines

DaemonFC

The car is in the shop, and of course nobody at Mandy's dentist is answering the phone so I can discuss the bills the insurance company kicked back at me for "improper billing code".

DaemonFC

GRRRRR

DaemonFC

You have to be a plumber and an electrician to work on a car.

Jul 25 15:57

DaemonFC

If it's not a sensor, it's a vacuum leak.

Jul 25 15:57

DaemonFC

I was watching F is for Family with Mandy and "Frank" bitches about his car all the time because it's rusted and backfiring and the door hits him sometimes.

DaemonFC

Minor problems. At least cars in the 1970s ran and ran even long after they stopped looking pretty.

DaemonFC

You still see some now.

DaemonFC

It's worth buying maybe if you live in an emissions state, like I do.

DaemonFC

They're exempt!

DaemonFC

They never had pollution control on them anyway, except maybe a catalytic converter and a PCV valve.

Jul 25 15:59

DaemonFC

You buy a car today, it has like 25 things on the list that all have to be working, or no pass.

Jul 25 15:59

XRevan86

schestowitz: Russian beef with Wikipedia is over them giving information not approved by the Russian War Ministry.

Jul 25 15:59

DaemonFC

Meanwhile, the crooked Democrats let Stericycle, Medline, and the Waukegan Generating Plant gas us and spew out mercury and other air toxics.

Jul 25 16:00

DaemonFC

While they're worried about my gas tank burping out a little bit of fumes.

Jul 25 16:00

DaemonFC

It's impossible to get the fucking thing to seal right, no matter what gas cap you use. Just the OEM ones tend to piss off the computer less often.

Jul 25 16:01

DaemonFC

It looks like I'm going to have to take the car in to be emissions tested in January, and maybe fill 'er up and circle the block a bunch of times to put the system into "ready" mode and then fill it up again so the tank holds vacuum, and then get it tested.

Jul 25 16:02

DaemonFC

That'll pass, but it does wonders for the air, you know, making me drive it 50 more miles so it won't remember the gas tank has a vapor leak somewhere.

Jul 25 16:02

DaemonFC

The "check gas cap" light only tends to come on when it's really muggy out _and_ you're down at least a quarter of a tank.

Jul 25 16:03

DaemonFC

So I can probably just keep topping her off on emissions test week and then run her down there and get it to pass and then have the light come back on after I get my sticker.

Jul 25 16:04

DaemonFC

"So help me you piece of shit, if you rat me out to these people you're going to the crushers! Do you hear me!?!?"

Jul 25 16:04

DaemonFC

Jul 25 16:04

DaemonFC

The "Green New Deal" people like Eric Sandeen of Red Hat can just "help the environment along" by getting an EV that fails every 60,000 miles or 5 years, and makes them turn part of the Earth into another car.

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Jul 25 16:07

*schestowitz[TR2] back

schestowitz[TR2]

britney: you got a compliment earlier

techuser

schestowitz[TR2]

XRevan86: but Wikipedia is biaed

schestowitz[TR2]

let's not let Russian liars distract from it

https://debugpointnews.com/gnome-web-43-extension/

britney

schestowitz[TR2], i did?

Jul 25 16:26

XRevan86

> matey: its probably my imagination, but britney seems like the nicest person ive met in here

Jul 25 16:26

schestowitz[TR2]

the dit wars are always won by ther owners

Jul 25 16:27

schestowitz[TR2]

so on politics and corporations wikiepdia became a sham

Jul 25 16:27

britney

thank you matey

Jul 25 16:27

XRevan86

schestowitz: I take biased over blatant lies any day.

Jul 25 16:28

XRevan86

I bring this up because of "russia bans wikipedia; it felt unfairly treated; which is likely partly true".

Jul 25 16:30

XRevan86

It doesn't take much to make Russia feel unfairly treated, just share videos from Bucha in March.

Jul 25 16:31

XRevan86

It's a "What happened on the Tiananmen Square in 1989" kind of thing. Is the CPC unfairly treated?

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Jul 25 17:39

phanes

DaemonFC, so when you gettin a new car? that buick sounds like it's had it

DaemonFC

I just bought it a few months ago.

DaemonFC

Meh, emissions problems are not unusual.

DaemonFC

The computers are super sensitive about that stuff these days.

DaemonFC

The government forces the check engine light to come on over things cars wouldn't have even bothered you about 20 years ago.

Jul 25 17:43

DaemonFC

Most of the time the engine light comes on, unless it's flashing, it means emissions.

Jul 25 17:43

DaemonFC

The engine usually runs fine.

Jul 25 17:43

phanes

i never get that on the v8 challenger

DaemonFC

The system occasionally polls the fuel system to see if there's an absolutely perfect vacuum.

phanes

trade 'er in get one you'll never want a buick again

DaemonFC

And anything from the gas cap on down can cause the light to come on.

phanes

ive never had to have my challenger services outside of breaks and fluids in almost 5 years

DaemonFC

Well, after 15 years, not everything seals perfectly and you start getting vacuum line leaks or something.

phanes

*serviced

DaemonFC

It's not unusual.

DaemonFC

Most of them aren't terribly expensive to fix, it's just annoying that you have to be down at the shop again.

Jul 25 17:46

DaemonFC

Finding them turns out to be most of the time spent.

Jul 25 17:46

DaemonFC

They're so small that the computer will detect the leak before you start smelling gas fumes, usually.

Jul 25 17:47

DaemonFC

schestowitz, GNOME Web added HEVC support apparently.

Jul 25 17:52

DaemonFC

In HTML 5.

Jul 25 17:52

DaemonFC

Guessing Safari probably did it and they had sites sending it.

Jul 25 17:53

britney

DaemonFC, not apparently, HEVC support is definitely there

Jul 25 17:57

phanes

how come those dont just get treated like any other codec? like why is it part of the ui instead of a library package?

Jul 25 17:59

DaemonFC

GStreamer is plug-in based.

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DaemonFC

WebkitGTK can use or not use each codec.

DaemonFC

So the only thing preventing HEVC support was a block at the engine level.

schestowitz[TR2]

hevc is patent trap

schestowitz[TR2]

but ibm loves spwats

schestowitz[TR2]

ibm controls gnome

https://tech.slashdot.org/story/22/07/25/1428217/porsches-postponed-by-buggy-software-cost-vws-ceo-his-job?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed

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britney

schestowitz[TR2], most gnome contributors are non corporate personal accounts

Jul 25 18:03

psydroid2

for people who are employed by corporations but are pretending to be part of the independent "community"?

Jul 25 18:05

Ariadne

pocock's new domain: suicide.fyi

Jul 25 18:10

Ariadne

how edgy

Jul 25 18:10

DaemonFC

Anything with "debian" in the name can be stolen by WIPO.

Jul 25 18:14

DaemonFC

They could always GULAG him and threaten to sue him into the ground I guess.

Jul 25 18:15

DaemonFC

They didn't like his postings, like the ones where he points out that Microsoft is funding Debian now.

Jul 25 18:17

*Ariadne shrug

Jul 25 18:17

Ariadne

when i had disagreement about the future direction of alpine, i joined together with others and made alpine

Jul 25 18:17

DaemonFC

It sounds like you'd be likely to run into incompatibility issues with Alpine.

Jul 25 18:18

Ariadne

er, debian

Jul 25 18:18

DaemonFC

Even 15 years ago, Torvalds defended the size of glibc.

Jul 25 18:19

Ariadne

my point is before alpine, there was debian. there were disagreements, so we made alpine :)

Jul 25 18:19

DaemonFC

No, 20 years ago even.

https://ecos.sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2002-01/msg00079.html

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Ariadne

pocock is wasting his time on whatever this is, when he should apply his engineering talent to creating something better

schestowitz[TR2]

we're about to take the beta of tuxmachines live on alpine

Jul 25 18:21

schestowitz[TR2]

regarding debian.community, it was a "new" site

schestowitz[TR2]

when he writes in his own site it's better syled

schestowitz[TR2]

but over time the tone got worse and worse

schestowitz[TR2]

even in 2020 I was unable to copy articles because of taste issue

schestowitz[TR2]

but the attacks on his worsen it

schestowitz[TR2]

and they don't seem to get it

schestowitz[TR2]

prenning is now with arch

schestowitz[TR2]

vut still maintains a few things in debian

schestowitz[TR2]

like kde

schestowitz[TR2]

not texlive

Ariadne

fwiw i agree that debian as a project is a dumpster fire

Ariadne

again, i solved that by leaving :)

schestowitz[TR2]

china bases on debian

Ariadne

still have many friends there though, and not really impressed with pocock's harassment of them

schestowitz[TR2]

can you imagine chinese dd and DPL?

schestowitz[TR2]

cannot criticise "party leader"

DaemonFC

Debian moves things around too much.

DaemonFC

They ship with bizarre misconfigurations and announce forks that go dead and pile up security hazards quickly.

DaemonFC

Like that libav crap.

Ariadne

libav was mostly gentoo's fault

DaemonFC

"Oh, we'll fork ffmpeg and clean everything up." then it just sits there, and sits there.

Ariadne

another dumpster fire, admittedly

DaemonFC

The only thing they changed were the binary names, and then it rots and rots.

Ariadne

hmm, that's not really what happened

DaemonFC

ffmpeg keeps adding codecs, libav rots some more and has another month with no security patches.

Ariadne

ffmpeg merged frequently from libav and merged things that libav refused to merge

Ariadne

this is a "fork control" tactic, and one which was effective in ffmpeg's case

Jul 25 18:27

Ariadne

what doomed libav in the end was that all the people who wanted to go sue people for major damages for GPL violations fell on that side of the fork

DaemonFC

Stallman did something similar with FSF emacs.

Ariadne

while ffmpeg reinvented its own image

DaemonFC

They didn't want to accept code that wasn't assigned to them by Lucid.

Ariadne

yes, Stallman beat XEmacs by staying infront of it

DaemonFC

So they just implemented all of the same features eventually, in new code.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libav#Confusion

Ariadne

so basically libav became associated with litigation, while ffmpeg lost that association and gained corporate support

Jul 25 18:29

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Jul 25 18:30

Ariadne

an example of how sue-happy libav was: they sued ffmpeg for "infringing" "their" logo

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Jul 25 18:30

Ariadne

all michael had to do as ffmpeg maintainer was seed the thought -- they'll sue another FOSS project, they'll probably sue you too

Jul 25 18:31

Ariadne

and that killed libav dead

Jul 25 18:31

DaemonFC

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DaemonFC

libav did a lot of nasty propaganda and made it hard for the user to have both installed on their system, deliberately.

Ariadne

yes

DaemonFC

I recall being very confused when I typed ffmpeg on an Ubuntu system and was told that ffmpeg was deprecated.

Jul 25 18:33

DaemonFC

Then I found out what was actually going on and was pretty pissed.

Jul 25 18:33

Ariadne

ah yeah, `avconv` or whatever

DaemonFC

Shit changes all the time in Debian and Ubuntu, for no good reason.

DaemonFC

And then the user has to sort out the mess.

Ariadne

alpine stuck with ffmpeg

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DaemonFC

Mostly, forks are jsut bad all around.

DaemonFC

They hurt everybody.

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DaemonFC

They leave users stuck not knowing what to do with the trouble they cause.

Jul 25 18:36

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Jul 25 18:39

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Jul 25 18:40

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Jul 25 18:40

matey

<Ariadne> again, i solved that by leaving :) <- if debian is so terrible that people are dying as a result, you didnt solve that, you avoided it-- which is an acceptable move obviously

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matey

given the over-the-top nature of his writing, im certainly keeping watch for material that can debunk it

Ariadne

matey: if debian is dying because of a self-inflicted wound, then the free market is working as intended

schestowitz[TR2]

it's still a shame

schestowitz[TR2]

and a waste of effort

matey

i meant people literally dying

Ariadne

the background is that pocock was caught supervising his girlfriend during Debian GSoC 2017

schestowitz[TR2]

ian died in 2016 iirc

matey

the free market may not give a shit about that

Ariadne

his membership in debian was suspended as a result of that

schestowitz[TR2]

Ariadne: he denies this

Ariadne

he can deny whatever he wants

schestowitz[TR2]

i think it might be fabricated as a projection tactic

matey

personally i consider debian to be slave software, not free software

matey

but the level of (real) exploitation is certainly (and should be) up for debate

Ariadne

i can say that alpine was designed to avoid many of the problems debian has

Ariadne

(in terms of governance)

Ariadne

pocock is smart, he could make his own distribution if he wanted

matey

he wants to fight what he considers injustice

Ariadne

this stuff is just masturbation

matey

<Ariadne> this stuff is just masturbation <- he IS making people aware of issues. for me the question is whether his claims are wrong

Jul 25 18:46

matey

it certainly wont fix debian either. debian is going to remain like this

Jul 25 18:46

matey

theres no reforming it

Jul 25 18:46

Ariadne

there is likely some truth to what he says, but there is a lot that he is intentionally misinterpreting in bad faith too

matey

he also seems really pisspoor at certain transparency

matey

he talks about volunteers working

matey

imo he probably means himself, though there could be others

matey

on his website

Ariadne

his website advocates swatting people

matey

i criticised him heavily for that

matey

and as far as i know, that was just one person

matey

which doesnt change the fact, but i wouldnt use the word people unless it was people

Ariadne

encouraging the sending of police to somebody's home is basically the same as attacking them yourself

matey

i suppose you can argue that as a blanket statement "singular 'people'" without technically being incorrect gramatically speaking

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matey

obviously he draws a boatload of criticism

Jul 25 18:50

Ariadne

i think it is difficult to find any FOSS project that is approaching 30 years old that does not have skeletons in its closet

Jul 25 18:50

matey

and the criticism is often as difficult to sift through factwise as his own work

Jul 25 18:50

Ariadne

GNU has skeletons, Debian has skeletons, etc

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Ariadne

even Alpine has skeletons

matey

i dont think gnu has anything remotely like debian in this regard

matey

hopefully alpine hasnt killed anyone yet. i certainly wouldnt assume it has

schestowitz[TR2]

debian has literal skeletons

Ariadne

i am willing to believe debian is not responsible for anyone's suicide until i see an actual suicide note saying as such

schestowitz[TR2]

same for epo

matey

nice

schestowitz[TR2]

many suicides there

matey

until i see an actual suicide note saying as such <- that seems like a double standard

Ariadne

how is that a double standard

matey

we know why near killed themselves. but if it wasnt (and may not be) in the suicide note

Ariadne

pocock asserts that Debian is responsible for Frans Pop's suicide

matey

would it need to be for us to know how it happened?

Ariadne

near posted their suicide note on their twitter

matey

what im saying is

Ariadne

and explicitly identified kiwifarms as the cause

matey

yes

matey

but if the note did not state that

matey

it would still be clear enough what happened

matey

no?

Ariadne

my point is that i have yet to see any evidence other than hearsay from pocock to support the claim

matey

i certainly dont want to dwell on this point, if theres any dispute im happy to drop it-- likewise if you agree with the point

matey

my point is that i have yet to see any evidence other than hearsay from pocock to support the claim <- thats a fair point when put that way

Ariadne

i think that if we are to say debian is responsible for a suicide there should be stronger evidence than that

matey

i dont assume all of pococks points are fair-- its hard to imagine

matey

there should be stronger evidence than that <- thats the problem with how he words things

matey

hes too quick to draw the conclusion

matey

he should present the evidence and state his feelings

matey

but not pretend that OH THIS PROVES IT DOESNT IT

matey

its not proof

Ariadne

that's what i am saying

matey

we agree on that at least to some degree

matey

it decreases the value of his crusade at least partially

matey

you can get interesting details from his work but now theres all this work to see what hes exaggerating, what hes right about, etc

DaemonFC

Not just suicides.

DaemonFC

The Debian cabal is causing heart attacks and car accidents too.

matey

it would be nice if he was a little more helpful in this regard. he COULD be, most likely

matey

but hes not

https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2022/07/25/huntley-lake-in-the-hills-men-allegedly-stabbed-raccoon-with-sword-and-rake-struck-it-in-head-with-hammer/

matey

its a drawback

Jul 25 18:57

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Jul 25 18:59

DaemonFC

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Jul 25 18:59

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matey

there were two things i disliked about his treatment of the person he suggested swatting

matey

one, is obviously that thing itself

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matey

i dont think that can simply be excused, and i found it revoltingly hypocritical. just about the worst point in his campaign

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matey

id struggle to think of worse

matey

but the other point i didnt like was the way he exploited any mental health issues, which i think he did

matey

if he can draw a line to the relevance, maybe thats one thing

matey

i dont think he succeded in doing so, and this goes beyond poor taste

matey

its just bad

matey

mention it if its truly relevant. otherwise wtf

matey

these are the lowest points in his work imo

matey

to say the least it wasnt directed at someone i admire or respect or could ever begin to trust

matey

doesnt really matter though

XRevan86

DaemonFC: Is your opinion on Debian providing MariaDB over Oracle MariaDB the same?

Jul 25 19:03

matey

i wish he had a little more finesse about it

Jul 25 19:03

DaemonFC

Eh, if it's a piece of crap like libav was...

matey

but i dont think that will change. maybe he learned from that, maybe he didnt-- if he didnt he likely never will

XRevan86

> Mostly, forks are just bad all around; They hurt everybody.

Ariadne

XRevan86: in fairness, Debian did not put its weight behind MariaDB as an endorsement, like they did with gentoo on libav

XRevan86

Ariadne: Didn't they?

matey

theyre really good for pasta (personally i prefer chopsticks)

Ariadne

and, most distributions followed the MariaDB fork :)

Ariadne

XRevan86: not really. switching to MariaDB was much more lowkey :)

matey

forced unity between people who will always be at odds can be worse than a fork

XRevan86

Except Ubuntu, which causes a lot of pain.

matey

a fork is a divorce. staying married can hurt people too

Ariadne

absolutely

phanes

Ariadne, how did this issue with pocock/debian start? like what was the trigger? I think everybody knows what he's doing now sucks, but I haven't heard from anyone what his beef actually is

https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2022/07/23/hate-crime-charges-filed-against-man-who-allegedly-vandalized-lake-in-the-hills-cafe-on-day-of-drag-show/

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XRevan86

I wonder what made Ubuntu diverge from Debian regarding MariaDB.

Ariadne

phanes: his membership in debian was suspended for 6 months over an incident involving GSoC 2017

matey

(sometimes a fork is more of a mistress, but we wont go there)

phanes

ive heard from some folks that he took up for appelbaum and was pushed out for it

XRevan86

Do they have some special sympathy for Oracle?

matey

why isnt there a male word for (the male equivalent) of mistress

DaemonFC

<XRevan86> Do they have some special sympathy for Oracle?

Ariadne

phanes: it is *alleged* that pocock was supervising his girlfriend in GSoC 2017, and it put the entire Debian participation in GSoC 2017 at risk

matey

as in "man outside of marriage who was slept with"

DaemonFC

They're a thrall of Microsoft.

DaemonFC

Why would they not ship Oracle software?

phanes

Ariadne, nepotism concerns?

XRevan86

matey: Didn't we discuss "favourites"? :)

Ariadne

phanes: right

matey

we did, but ive still never heard that used in any context im aware of, ever

matey

the usage may exist, i think its relevant that in decades ive never seen it in the wild

Ariadne

anyway, since his membership was suspended, he decided to go after everyone else who was doing the same thing he was allegedly suspended for

matey

also favourite isnt gendered. which is fine, only it doesnt completely satisfy what i was asking about either

XRevan86

"Lover" is gender-neutral.

Ariadne

that led to his expulsion from the project

matey

"lover" doesnt always imply infidelity, while mistress does

matey

lover is neutral in that regard

Ariadne

from there it has just gotten more and more ridiculous

phanes

Ariadne, how is that distinguishable from chris lamb w/ de blanc?

XRevan86

matey: "Favourite" is heavy male-leaning.

Ariadne

well, i do not think either of them were participating in GSoC 2017

matey

among zero uses ive actually seen in the english speaking world

phanes

ok i just need to read it sounds like

matey

which includes your domicile, imo

matey

its part of the english speaking world obviously

Ariadne

but generally, i don't think it is appropriate for members of an executive body to be in personal relationships either

Ariadne

in other words, one incident existing does not forgive the existence of another incident

Jul 25 19:10

matey

it certainly causes problems for the organisation

Jul 25 19:10

matey

im not sure i sympathise with the organisation. as an ideal rule of thumb, we can be reasonable and at least hope high ranking people avoid this

Jul 25 19:11

matey

i mean reasonable as opposed to "anything goes"

Jul 25 19:11

phanes

depends on how the org handles it

phanes

people fall in love

phanes

the solution is "one of you has to move to a different part of the org"

matey

people who are in a relationship, whether or not there are rules around it

phanes

i dont think expelling people is right unless they refuse to relocate

matey

should obviously make efforts to act with an absolute minimum of favouritism and-- i realise there will be biases

matey

only they should try to mitigate them at least

matey

rather than ride them home

Ariadne

phanes: i think it is important to recognize that pocock was expelled because of his behavior *after* the incident, not because of the incident itself

phanes

what was that behaviour?

Jul 25 19:14

Ariadne

he started doing what he is doing now

Jul 25 19:14

Ariadne

forwarding private mails to public lists, doxing people, etc

Jul 25 19:15

phanes

its unfathomable to me that someone with that pedigree, standing, and skill level would slip off the rails just because he got called out on a conflict of interest with his partner

Jul 25 19:15

Ariadne

it is further alleged that his father passed away during all of this, and he was also dismissed from FSFE as a result of his debian suspension

phanes

ok, that sounds closer to home

phanes

just multiple crises all going on at once

matey

the thing about his father passing seems to be what bothers him the most

phanes

yeah it fucks you up

phanes

im still recovering from when my dad died

phanes

it changes everything

matey

he felt pressured and abused by debian regarding

matey

basically the theme comes up over and over

matey

he was trying to grieve and-- in his eyes, they were basically like

matey

pocock, if you cant get back to work we have to demote you

matey

then they did

Ariadne

either way, i don't think his current strategy is productive for improving software freedom or debian

matey

and he took it REALLY personally

matey

like start a crusade personally

matey

some of what ariadne is saying MAY (even factually) contradict this narrative

matey

it seems pocock sincerely believes it though. or hes exploiting his own grief-- im not cynical enough to assume so.

Ariadne

no, that fits with my understanding -- that FSFE terminated him due to performance

phanes

ive asked him directly before what's going on because he's showing signs of trauma response and he just kind of spins around in words

matey

he's showing signs of trauma response and he just kind of spins around in words <- this is pocock to a tee

matey

ive been trying to figure him out for years

matey

for one because some of what he writes is so damning (of actually fucked up orgs)

matey

his work is useful

phanes

oh he's a valid threat

Ariadne

there is some truth to what he says

matey

for me, he was one of the first to shed light on... NO, this is NOT just fsfe

matey

this is fsf too

matey

<Ariadne> there is some truth to what he says <- whats so damned frustrating is how hard it is to sort the wheat from the... pink slime

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Ariadne

i just don't get why he wants to focus on this, when he could use his engineering skills to build new structures

matey

id say he needs an editor... thats probably a somewhat naive solution (but is it really naive if you already realise it)

Jul 25 19:21

matey

<Ariadne> i just don't get why he wants to focus on this <- i think phanes has already intuited why

Jul 25 19:21

phanes

grief and brilliance are a bad and powerful combination

Jul 25 19:21

matey

you hit the nail on the head with "trauma"-- grief can cause that, but i think fewer people will understand when its put in that term

Ariadne

oh yes, there is definitely a trauma response happening with his work :p

matey

i think this goes beyond grief, and the grief was a trigger.

matey

but it can also be part of the cause

Ariadne

but, i don't think most people care about who was sharing hotel rooms at debconf 6 years ago

phanes

yeah i initially thought he had been targeted and was kind of thrashing in response but im not getting any indicator that this is the case and ive looked pretty hard

matey

i don't think most people care about who was sharing hotel rooms at debconf 6 years ago <- not unless it was (as pocock paints it)

phanes

there was conflict w/ MDB at one point

matey

an unholy alliance complete with blood sacrifice etc etc etc

matey

two people in love, stomping through the fallen masses of their regime...

Ariadne

damn, debconf must have gotten far more interesting since the last one i attended

matey

laughing maniacally

matey

plotting further acts of destruction

matey

partly im having a go at how he puts things, and partly im also having a go at lamb

Ariadne

i mean i get that this is basically "oh, i got caught supervising my girlfriend during GSoC, but look, lamby is sleeping with his treasurer"

Ariadne

and i will say that isn't a great look

phanes

nerds conjugate at these conventions far more than i thought, I actively avoid any kind of romantic interaction at them to avoid both image problems that can come from it and also it a bad signal read can make people uncomfortable and create a scene

matey

the latter is difficult to ignore

phanes

like why mix work and play

matey

pocock paints this as helping debian, and hes free to do so

matey

i wouldnt be at all surprised if he believes it

Ariadne

he does

matey

if i had to guess, he wants debian to burn to the ground, and i would like to feel noble about it being razed

phanes

debian really could use a change of the guard tbh

matey

but its also possible he really thinks it can be saved, and i think thats naive (but in a way thats obviously very common)

Ariadne

anyway, i have a meeting in 3 minutes and i need to restart my wayland session because pipewire is being annoying

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phanes

if they put neil mcgovern's head on a spike in the front yard with no explanation that would probably go a long way to restoring debian imo

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Jul 25 19:29

phanes

"vladian justice"

Jul 25 19:29

XRevan86

Ariadne: Portal stuff?

Jul 25 19:30

phanes

schestowitz[TR2], was MDB made president of the OSI -after- the Stallman campaign?

Jul 25 19:35

phanes

no, neverind, doesn't line up

Jul 25 19:38

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schestowitz[TR2]

got the irc bot updated for the beta site

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schestowitz[TR2]

still password-protected for now

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> CIT (War in Ukraine): https://telegra.ph/Dispatch-for-July-23-24-07-25

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http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/25/Upgrading_what_might_be_the_world's_oldest_running_Linux_install.shtml

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hello world

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helloSystem

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What is the difference between a police officer and a highwayman? The Police Services Act

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britney

ACAB

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it's a hack hack hacky place! https://hackaday.com/2022/07/25/mcterminals-give-the-hamburglar-a-chance/

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Ariadne

XRevan86: no, i use bluetooth in-ear monitors, and everytime i turn them on, pipewire gets moody and needs to be restarted

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Ariadne

pulseaudio did not have this problem ;/

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MinceR

i see the CADT development model is working out as usual :>

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Ariadne: What is this in-ear monitor thing ye speak of?

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Ariadne

XRevan86: i have two, both have bugs with pipewire -- a pair of airpods pro, and some samsung one that i rarely use because it's even buggier

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both work just fine with pulseaudio

XRevan86

Fine, I'll look up what that is.

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Jul 25 22:53

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Jul 25 22:59

matey

habitually they also misplace blame (offloading culpability for malware to "Linux") in order to shift the public's attention, partly because GNU/Linux and BSD are optimal alternatives for security-minded governments/enterprises

Jul 25 23:04

matey

if im not mistaken, roy said bsd is an optimal alternative for security-minded governments/enterprises

Jul 25 23:05

matey

ive never been an enterprise before. i considered myself more of a defiant

Jul 25 23:05

matey

but unlike the defiant, i have a docking port

Jul 25 23:06

bagira

matey, im in enterprise (fortune list only consultant)

bagira

he's right

matey

fun

matey

oh yeah

matey

its just

bagira

most corporate environments that are security sensitive use linux

bagira

almost none use bsd

matey

why

bagira

some use windows and invariably shift to linux for hosted services

bagira

its not cost, rhel is the dominant player in that space and it costs pretty decent

bagira

its just better to manage with many hosts

bagira

and it is more secure

matey

linux is more secure than bsd?

bagira

windows environments are usually full of holes both for infosec and config mgmt

matey

i think we are talking about two diferent things

matey

or at least two slightly different things

bagira

no bsd isnt widely used because its ecosystem of components and management tools is much smaller

matey

it would have helped (this is no fault of yours) if youd known the context of my first comment on this topic

Jul 25 23:14

bagira

it just wont fit into a corporate systems config mgmgt or it security model

Jul 25 23:14

bagira

windows is actually a better choice than bsd for most corporate environments with many machines running

Jul 25 23:14

bagira

not because the os is better (it isn't) but because it costs less to run large scale when you look at staffing overhead and equipment

Jul 25 23:15

matey

well youve just guaranteed my next year will be unpleasant

Jul 25 23:15

bagira

why's that

matey

because ever since i moved to bsd roy has slagged it off over the most ridiculous (even made up) things he can give his hands on

matey

you basically just provided him with a nuclear arsenal for trolling

bagira

lol

bagira

im not saying i would use windows

matey

its not your fault for saying what you think is true based on your professional knowledge

bagira

i only use it when the client wont budge

bagira

ii reliably turn down jobs that require the use of azure for anything other than managed native services

Jul 25 23:17

matey

yeah

Jul 25 23:17

matey

but note what hes saying here at least:

matey

"because GNU/Linux and BSD are optimal alternatives for security-minded governments/enterprises"

matey

hes actually saying bsd is "optimal" for governments and enterprise

bagira

not at scale

matey

what i intended to do

matey

was tease him about saying something positive about bsd when he slags it off so much

matey

i was already aware of the marketshare issue

Jul 25 23:19

matey

it just wont fit into a corporate systems config mgmgt or it security model <- some of this is because the model is written around windows and gnu/linux in the first place

Jul 25 23:19

matey

how much? i dont know.

Jul 25 23:20

matey

but i think its fair to say

Jul 25 23:20

matey

the whole point of microsoft getting into training and a+ and all that, is to make it so you have to know windows to get those credentials

Jul 25 23:20

matey

then the ecosystem expects this as a standard

matey

but again, how much of this is circular/authoritarian/marketing-determined standards and how much is actually good common sense / security is up for debate obviously

matey

it isnt my intention to get into such a debate, only to say

bagira

until they can get ansible running well on it, comprehensively, and easily available, and get paid support that comes even close to what rhel provides, bsd doesn't have a chance in corporate or gov outside of small envs, and wont have that "interface" to corporations

matey

this will make the next year unpleasant

matey

and get paid support that comes even close to what rhel provides, bsd doesn't have a chance in corporate or gov outside of small envs <- that isnt shocking to me

bagira

i dont like ansible btw

matey

the market is designed around products more than the other way around

bagira

im just saying, if you want to sell an os to corporate, you need paid support and you need ansible

matey

the tail wags the dog

bagira

yes

bagira

i feel the same way about microservice architecture

matey

if you want to sell an os to corporate <- fortunately this is neither one of my ambitions, nor the reason i promote bsd

Jul 25 23:23

matey

its almost (not quite) like saying "it doesnt matter how nice the dress is, if she wants it in pink and you dont have that, she isnt interested"

Jul 25 23:23

bagira

well, i mean, you said corporate and gov.

matey

which is a sound argument if she wants pink and you dont have that.

matey

you said corporate and gov. <- true but only in a quote

matey

and then a response

bagira

most corps and govs would rather pay for something than get it for free

bagira

because then someone is on the hook for it

matey

that doesnt surprise me either

matey

yeah

matey

i mean

matey

the dod can ignore both patents and copyright

matey

they can legally do wtf they want

matey

they go to other countries and kill lots of people

matey

"oh shit! but we arent following the gpl license for this missile!"

matey

but like you say

matey

they want someone they can blame

matey

and its easy to buy that

matey

"oh shit! but we arent following the gpl license for this missile!" <- one of many reasons ethical source is such tripe

matey

its a a copyright license and they arent bound to it

Jul 25 23:26

matey

but they get more than a license when they buy something

Jul 25 23:26

matey

they get a service contract

matey

thats where the money is

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bagira

yep red hat is a services company not a product company

Jul 25 23:31

matey

disservices

Jul 25 23:32

matey

systemd-servicesd

Jul 25 23:33

matey

systemd-take-off-every-zig-move-zigd

Jul 25 23:33

matey

/me hasnt checked if it works this way

Jul 25 23:34

matey

but one thing they havent done with doom yes is run it in pid 1 with systemd as a service

Jul 25 23:34

matey

i somehow doubt it runs services in the same pid of course-- the only issue its such a giant ridiculous thing to have there in the first place

matey

pid-doom-1

matey

doom as a service

bagira

wait until those idiots at systemd start trying to integrate wayland-gnome into systemd

bagira

theyre prob goign to try to push out all other desktops and force user choice

matey

gnomeos

matey

xfce is already gnomes bitch

matey

they didnt volunteer, gnome are arseholes

matey

i call everything like that arseholeware

matey

its not because the devs are arseholes

bagira

yeah that shit needs isolated to its own little bubble

matey

its becauese the software itself acts like an arsehole

matey

it needs antigravs attached and beamed into space like nomad

matey

I AM SYSTEMD. I AM PERFECT.

matey

who am i?

bagira

lol

matey

YOU ARE THE LENNART.

matey

im not the lennart! you made an error!

matey

Error! Error! Must... Analyse...

matey

you failed to recognise the error, you made TWO errors!

matey

ERoorrr! errRor!

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bagira

ya know i dont think ive ever seen a worse product than red hat certificate system

matey

execute your prime function!

matey

maybe windows itself

matey

but a lot of these product lines-- trying to rank them its own game of cards against humanity

bagira

its not that its over-engineered its that its so poorly understood by its own developers and technical writers

matey

cards against technology

matey

#techrights : 07/25/22 22:39 <bagira> <- im gonna go out on a limb and say these are connected somehow

matey

its not that its over-engineered its that its so poorly understood by its own developers <- this i mean

Jul 25 23:40

DaemonFC

You came here to deadname and get Matt GULAG fired up, and you're unfortunately no all out of Matt GULAGs.

Jul 25 23:40

DaemonFC

*not

Jul 25 23:40

bagira

hm? im not tracking

Jul 25 23:41

matey

if you overengineer it... youll be stumped

Jul 25 23:41

DaemonFC

There is still one Matt GULAG here.

DaemonFC

Which is one Mr. GULAG too many.

DaemonFC

Do not feed Mr. GULAG.

bagira

lol

matey

i realise that overengineering has other more prominent connotations

matey

and at least in some instances may not lead to a system no one understands

matey

but overengineering is harder, and might be done poorly

matey

and at that point you are indeed fucked

DaemonFC

People who actually use the term "deadnaming" should be court ordered to wear a shock collar that goes off every time they say the word.

matey

linus could not fork linux on his own anymore

matey

he doesnt even know how it works

matey

his own admission

bagira

eh give it time, he'll either grow or fail, he's not a particularly difficult task, just a tedious one. he's really quite shallow imo.

bagira

gulag i mean

matey

not a scandal, but surely it says something

DaemonFC

I get bumping Linux to C11, but putting Rust in it is unfortunate.

DaemonFC

Those idiots that wanted to put C++ in it came back and did something even worse.

matey

gulag is obviously the most oversophisticated webcrawler in the world

bagira

the trick to guys like gulag DaemonFC is that when they run into one of their own they're so used to browbeating "the little people" in their view that they dont know what's going on and thing just jam up alot

DaemonFC

And now they'll write spaghetti code that takes a million hours and a bajillion gigaquads of RAM to even compile.

bagira

most people in this space don't make names for themselves at all let alone off the bodies of better people

DaemonFC

The key to attacking people who don't want to deal with Rust is accuse them of transphobia.

matey

why not

DaemonFC

Another word where the shock collar should activate.

DaemonFC

SeaMonkey is having a lot of problems due to Mozilla's use of Rust.

Jul 25 23:46

DaemonFC

Stylo and WebRender don't work at all and have been disabled for the time being.

Jul 25 23:46

Ariadne

i think gccrs will make rust a lot more tolerable

Jul 25 23:46

DaemonFC

Which is okay for now, because the Rust code isn't THAT MUCH better than the C++ version it replaced, performance-wise, with Stylo.

bagira

DaemonFC, its unfortunate what crying wolf results in

matey

it would be nice if they made it stable

matey

so it was less like a webapi posing as a programming language

Ariadne

but a lot of memory safety issues in C can be detected by modern compilers

DaemonFC

Missing WebRender is unfortunate because SeaMonkey picks up a lot of jank from having to deal with X11.

bagira

yeah it just seems like a waste to invent a new language when we just needed more attention to project structure and preprocessor

Ariadne

i also think that stuff like MMIO does not map well to rust's memory model

DaemonFC

What you're seeing, performance wise, when SeaMonkey stutters a little, is more likely than not to be XWayland issues.

matey

i dont think its ever a waste to create a new language

Ariadne

seems like a lot of kernel code would be `unsafe{}`

DaemonFC

There's some sites that are starting to fall apart in SeaMonkey.

matey

but its a waste to use it to try to take over everything else

DaemonFC

I can't browse gitlab repos with it.

matey

mincer pwned mjg really hard (at least in terms of rhetoric)

Ariadne

anyway, rust is nice to program in for *new* things

matey

mjg said you couldnt do memory safe in other languages

DaemonFC

Matt J. GULAG.....suuuuuuuper genius.

Ariadne

as in, the language has nice ergonomics

matey

mincer said he would take turing completeness over memory safe anyday

DaemonFC

mateymjg said you couldnt do memory safe in other languages

DaemonFC

If you know what you're doing, you can.

matey

nice ergonomics are nice

Ariadne

DaemonFC: you can't do provable memory safety in any language with UB

matey

but the way a lot of people put rust together with chewing gum and duct tape, some of the ergonomics are lost

DaemonFC

Besides, in Rust you don't always have memory safety.

matey

"this is a nice way to bolt 200 random things together"

Ariadne

practical memory safety is another story, of course

matey

"what are you building?"

matey

"a yes / no dialogue"

Ariadne

but the interesting story about rust is the verifier

Ariadne

and it can verify a lot of things other than memory safety

Ariadne

for example, rust is good for writing emulators

DaemonFC

Saying you're memory safe in Rust because you can do 80% of all that's possible without invoking unsafe is ridiculous.

Ariadne

because you can develop against constraints

DaemonFC

Because it's always that other 20%.

Ariadne

and the compiler is smart enough to check your work

DaemonFC

So maybe you're better at keeping track of WHERE the hazards are likely to be.

DaemonFC

but that's it.

Ariadne

does not mean i think rust is the answer to all problems though :)

matey

if anything its the cause of many

DaemonFC

You could create some subset of C or some other language that uses C that manages the nasty bits for you.

bagira

i think the whole approach is wrong if they want to replace c. they need to start with a kernel and replace the c layer, and writing language bindings for c to sit on top of it

DaemonFC

In fact, that's what Vala is.

matey

but c makes you think like a pdp, man

bagira

matey, pig in a pope hat?

matey

DaemonFC

I agree that nobody using a modern language should have to worry about reference counting, garbage collection, etc.

DaemonFC

Vala sends that all off to GObject.

matey

www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/24d8v8/whats_your_favorite_yes_phrase_like_does_a_bear/

matey

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MinceR

any code written in SIMPLE is memory safe

Ariadne

the big deal about rust isn't the memory safety -- rust isn't even the first language to have memory safety

MinceR

it doesn't do anything, but considering most "modern" software, that's rarely a disadvantage

MinceR

rust is a bondage-and-discipline language with no free implementation, controlled by MICROS~1

Ariadne

the big deal is that you get all of the infrastructure you would expect of an ML descendant

Jul 25 23:55

Ariadne

but with syntax that is easy for people to pick up verses ML

Jul 25 23:55

Ariadne

the fact that you can define a model, and code against it, and have the compiler check your work, and this is available in a language that isn't Haskell or F#, e.g. one that normal people can use, is a huge deal

DaemonFC

Amusingly, it's almost always Microsoft sites that fail to work or something in SeaMonkey.

DaemonFC

I've created a collection of fake useragents for those.

matey

given that i dont care per se

matey

whats wrong with haskell?

DaemonFC

Ranging from desktop and mobile Safari to Internet Explorer 11.

MinceR

and then you'll believe that your code has no flaws, when in fact you merely made sure that your model has the same flaws

Ariadne

MinceR: well yes :)

MinceR

haskell is "pure", which makes it impractical

MinceR

there are plenty of algorithms that depend on mutable state

matey

like dove soap

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Ariadne

going back to emulators, for a second

MinceR

and having me translate them to a stateless algorithm only for the compiler to translate it again to a stateful algorithm is a waste of effort and resources

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Ariadne

in rust, you can define a model for, say, a CPU

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matey

100% pure (its only soap. its not for example, 1% candy mint)

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Ariadne

and then check your implementation against it

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Ariadne

and know at compile time that your emulated CPU matches what you believe the CPU should be doing

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matey

its a breath soap, its a candy soap-- its two soaps in one

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matey

unless its a game console cpu

matey

then you have to account for all the undocumented shit in there

Ariadne

well, yes, but that's always part of the work of developing emulators :p

matey

yeah i know :)

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