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britneyDaemonFC, I love how you rant about social media and then have a "share on twitter" and "share of facebook" buttons at the bottom Jul 25 00:29
schestowitz[TR2]part of templatesJul 25 00:38
DaemonFCIf there's some way of removing those, I'd like to know.Jul 25 00:41
schestowitz[TR2]are they locally hosted/Jul 25 00:44
schestowitz[TR2]some such buttons are spywareJul 25 00:45
schestowitz[TR2]they track the users for those spying giantsJul 25 00:45
schestowitz[TR2]then again see everythingJul 25 00:45
DaemonFCYeah, the only option I see is to add more crap.Jul 25 00:48
DaemonFCIncluding paying Wordpress to use Cloudflare for something.Jul 25 00:48
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phanesmjg59_, re: | I see that exhibits 2, 3, 7, 8, 9, 10 are present, but 1, 4, 5, 6 are not present in Reichwein's submission in the Todd case.  Do you know what happened with those exhibits? Jul 25 01:01
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matey/me figures those must be sealedJul 25 01:15
matey Sealed Cases and Documents - United States CourtsJul 25 01:16 25 01:16
mateyA sealed document filed in a non-sealed case may only be viewed by certain court users and by the party who filed the document. Access may be given to other users as needed. ...Jul 25 01:16
mateyanother exampleJul 25 01:17
matey Key document missing from records unsealed in "Painkiller" lawsuitJul 25 01:17 25 01:17
mateyAfter the Civil Beat Law Center filed its motion asking that the sealed documents be disclosed, the government responded. In general, according to the response filed in court, it did not oppose unsealing of the documents in the case, although more time was requested in order to make any redactions thought to be necessary.Jul 25 01:17
mateyso an unsealed case can have sealed documentsJul 25 01:17
phanesyep looks like todd tried to keep "something" from being sealed.  it looks like it's further down.Jul 25 01:17
mateyand documents which are unsealed by a motion can be redacted which are "thought to be necessary"Jul 25 01:18
mateyrather as the redactions are thought necessaryJul 25 01:18
mateyso theres at least three levels of revealing documents to the systemJul 25 01:18
mateysealed case, sealed/unsealed document, unsealed+redacted (and presumably unredacted too)Jul 25 01:19
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phanesthere's quite a bit of content in the defense submission here, but very little when you filter out all the emotional appeals, rhetoric, and non-relevant statementsJul 25 01:20
phanesthe rest after that is just case precedent citations for why a material contest should not take place (anti-slapp)Jul 25 01:21
phanesit could be that the meat comes out later, im still only a few case files inJul 25 01:22
mateythis is interesting too, if relevant to anythingJul 25 01:23 25 01:23
mateyThis is actually a fairly new development in the Ninth Circuit. For years, the Court has recognized a common law right of access to court records. (5) Under the common law, court records can be sealed on a showing of a "compelling need" for secrecy sufficient to overcome the public's interest in access.Jul 25 01:23
mateyi guess its easier to seal than ever? from a cursory glance at that Jul 25 01:24
mateybut it could say just the opposite of courseJul 25 01:24
phanesyeah its kind of bizarre how they're holding public interest to include "accusing someone of being a rapist with no direct evidence" but also holding it to be excluding things like critical testimony to establish credible merits of a case involving that same interestJul 25 01:25
mateyim not even looking to see if these are in the right country, unless it says something like "british" or "" and thus obviously doesnt pertain to usaJul 25 01:25
mateyits possible theyre only sealing certain items that pertain to actual personal privacyJul 25 01:26
mateylike the name of a jane doe mentioned somewhereJul 25 01:26
phanesi would hold that to be a matter of publiuc interest as wellJul 25 01:26
phanes*publicJul 25 01:27
mateyof course this nearly implies i have faith in the system-- actually, i simply consider that even a broken system gets something right occasionallyJul 25 01:27
phanesfor the same reasons that the case files themselves areJul 25 01:27
matey<phanes> i would hold that to be a matter of publiuc interest as well <- i would expect there to be differences of opinion about thisJul 25 01:27
mateypublic interest i suppose, is everything be public. all sealed documents would be exceptions, based on certain criteriaJul 25 01:28
mateyso it may be in the public interest, its simply a matter of what criteria are deemed most important for inclusion/exclusionJul 25 01:28
mateywhich i expect to vary among different peopleJul 25 01:28
mateyits sort of the job of a court to (ultimately) choose a side/verdict or even to choose when not to choose Jul 25 01:29
phanesyeahJul 25 01:29
DaemonFCThe list of "Debian suicides and accidents" is a bit ridiculous.Jul 25 01:29
phanesfor the purposes of this i dont see any path forward but to note it and then not factor in sealed testimony or evidenceJul 25 01:29
DaemonFCThey just follow people around making car accidents happen, apparently.Jul 25 01:29
mateybut lets say for the sake of argument that it was a decision that tried to balance public interest and corporate interestJul 25 01:29
mateynaturally i would assume they side with the corporations (more often than not)Jul 25 01:29
mateysince those are their real mastersJul 25 01:29
mateyim not sure whether that relates to this instance but i dont assume it doesJul 25 01:30
DaemonFCschestowitz The cops on Grindr thing really cracks me up.Jul 25 01:32
mateybut to note it and then not factor in sealed testimony <- if i had to guess, they havent sealed any information you couldnt extrapolate from another sourceJul 25 01:33
mateyits a barrier, but a barrier to something that isnt top secret after allJul 25 01:33
DaemonFCLike, if the conversation starts out with or leads to someone you don't know in a chat box on your phone asking if you'd participate in an action that is obviously illegal, why would you talk to them?Jul 25 01:33
DaemonFCWhy wouldn't you hit "block user" immediately?Jul 25 01:33
mateymaybe it would lead to another clue, maybe it wouldntJul 25 01:33
mateyat a guess, youre not missing muchJul 25 01:33
matey"this is the one piece of information they need to solve the mystery!" "oh, better seal that then! after all, we totally give a shit about these complete strangers on both sides"Jul 25 01:34
DaemonFCInteracting with the fake accounts at all is a mistake, because as soon as you do, they'll all start messaging you more.Jul 25 01:34
DaemonFCTHen you'll have to start blocking dozens of them.Jul 25 01:34
mateyim being a little cynical, but this (imo) is probably realistic (except for the jokey sarcasm meant to illustrate likelihoods etc)Jul 25 01:34
DaemonFCThe police accounts usually go for "sex with a minor", but then if they give up, windows will start appearing offering you drugs.Jul 25 01:35
mateyif this were a corporate case, throw out all benefit of the doubt and assume the fucking worstJul 25 01:35
mateyand obvoiusly if you want to factor in 3rd party corporate sponsor/testimony you can do that too. i probably wouldnt, but  maybe it depends on the mood im inJul 25 01:35
DaemonFCIt's very important that they string you as far along with it as possible before the arrest. The longer you go along with it and with the less prompting, the lower and lower the odds you'll claim entrapment later. Like, they'd say meet up at a Wendy's so that they can throw in more charges (traveling) and show that you did something other than "talk". I've noticed how they operate, and none...Jul 25 01:37
DaemonFC...of that was new with Grindr. They just took what they were doing before and started doing it on Grindr.Jul 25 01:37
DaemonFCTheir tactics don't really have to change because people now are as stupid as they ever were, maybe more.Jul 25 01:38
DaemonFCschestowitz Something really is going on with the "labor market".Jul 25 01:38
DaemonFCProbably not what the "news" keeps saying.Jul 25 01:39
DaemonFCTaco Bell almost had to close yesterday because it was down to just the manager and one other person and she had to go help make burritos and stuff. She told everyone coming in to use the kiosk or they couldn't order anything because she didn't have anyone to run the register.Jul 25 01:39
DaemonFCI doubt they're hiring and "can't find anyone". It's more like, "labor is getting more expensive so now in addition to being the manager and making burritos, you don't have a cashier. Congratulations on the raise!".Jul 25 01:40
mateyyou could easily spend days just reading shit on sealed, unsealed, sealing and unsealing documents at various levels of various courtsJul 25 01:41
mateynot surprising-- simplicity for a lawyer is like Jul 25 01:42
phaneshalf of reichwein's defense submissions detail twitter posts that reichwein made accusing appelbaum of things, almost like they are anticipating that appelbaum will provide supporting testimoney on todd's behalfJul 25 01:42
matey"i know darth vader really has you annoyed, but remember if you kill him then youll be unemployed"-- weird al, Jul 25 01:42
mateyyoda"Jul 25 01:42
mateyalmost like they are anticipating that appelbaum will provide supporting testimoney  <- i bet that wasnt hard to foreseeJul 25 01:43
mateyhell it was probably discussed on twitter. these are tech people not lawyersJul 25 01:43
mateyand there are probably several impulsive people on both sidesJul 25 01:43
mateya less impulsive person would talk to a lawyer, THEN be told "dont say anything now" then actually follow the adviceJul 25 01:44
phanesits just bizarre that so many of these supporting evidnece submissions by the defense in a defamation case brought on by todd would be twitter posts by reichwein/lovecruft accusing appelbaum of things, and not toddJul 25 01:44
mateywho knows if anyone did any of those. let alone all 3Jul 25 01:44
matey"and not todd" <- i dunno, maybe thats how the evidence actually is (proportionally)Jul 25 01:45
DaemonFCA good attorney will tell you that if you're the defendant, you don't say anything unless it's through them.Jul 25 01:45
mateyor maybe some attorney thought that was a great strategyJul 25 01:45
schestowitz[TR2]<DaemonFC> Probably not what the "news" keeps saying.Jul 25 01:45
schestowitz[TR2]an oligarch's noiseJul 25 01:45
mateyor maybe the todd stuff is exactly what got sealed, while the applelbaum stuff was-- already in public testimony, so sealing it would be like sealing information about nixon being involved with watergateJul 25 01:46
matey <schestowitz[TR2]> an oligarch's noise <- whats thatJul 25 01:46
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matey/mw wonders if it sounds like the model t againJul 25 01:46
phanesmatey, tht certainly could be the case.  im sure reasons will pop out as references to submissions are made in documents further along in the timelineJul 25 01:47
DaemonFCschestowitz This apartment isn't in the most fantastic neighborhood. There's gang wars going on now. Someone shot one of their muckity mucks at a gas station the other day.Jul 25 01:47
DaemonFC50 years and plenty of humidity and leaky faucets and shit have taken their toll on the unit.Jul 25 01:47
DaemonFCBut we'll probably sign another lease.Jul 25 01:47
mateyi bet if you just work around it youll come across exactly the same information without tryingJul 25 01:47
DaemonFCI just don't see an alternative that's not worse in some way.Jul 25 01:47
mateyhow youll know its the same information is another matter-- though not important to the point imoJul 25 01:48
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DaemonFCThe check engine light on the Buick is on.Jul 25 01:48
DaemonFCI'm suspecting there's a vacuum line leak somewhere.Jul 25 01:48
DaemonFCI'm gonna have them smoke test it.Jul 25 01:48
DaemonFCWell, it came on and went off.Jul 25 01:49
DaemonFCThe car was telling me check gas cap again. I went through three of them and put an OEM one on finally and it stopped saying that for a few months.Jul 25 01:49
phanesit's an old buick, those things run on damned souls anyway, you'll get another 50 years out of it with the CE light on Jul 25 01:49
DaemonFCAfter I filled up this afternoon it hasn't said anything like that again.Jul 25 01:49
DaemonFCYeah, but I can't pass emissions.Jul 25 01:49
DaemonFCMaybe I can eek by if it's an occasional problem.Jul 25 01:50
matey those things run on damned souls anyway <- i dont think we will hit peak damned souls anytime soonJul 25 01:50
DaemonFCFuel is more stable in the winter than in the summer.Jul 25 01:50
phanesoh are you in one of those states that thinks the right to travel is not a right to travelJul 25 01:50
mateywhy are the green energy people not touting thisJul 25 01:50
DaemonFCJust go get my smog test done in January when the car's not doing it.Jul 25 01:50
DaemonFCBut if it's something cheap, I'll just go ahead and fix it.Jul 25 01:50
mateyoh, probably because its their souls tooJul 25 01:50
DaemonFCThe administration has been demanding more and more of this ethanol 15 stuff.Jul 25 01:51
DaemonFCAnd that's especially unstable in the Summer, which is why they weren't selling it.Jul 25 01:51
DaemonFCSo if they're sneaking it in on us, it could very well be leaking past the cap and causing the engine lights to come on.Jul 25 01:51
mateythe primary drain on energy ressources is INVADE ALL THE THINGS!Jul 25 01:52
mateyincrease your tyre pressure-- save some oil-- kill some civilians in a distant landJul 25 01:52
mateyan earth day message from the dept of defenseJul 25 01:53
mateylower your tyre pressure, starve a droneJul 25 01:54
phanesyeah imagine if they diverted all those defense budgets to building terraforming technology and offworld miningJul 25 01:54
matey lower your tyre pressure, starve a drone <- this wont work, but its kind of funnyJul 25 01:55
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Ubuntu Underage Girl & Debian Mass ResignationsJul 25 01:56
DaemonFCIs he alleging that they're using the Outreach to Women thing to sex traffic teenage girls?Jul 25 01:57
matey :) theres a "yolo" county in davis californiaJul 25 01:58
mateyi bet theres a shitload of dumb people doing dumb shit thereJul 25 01:58
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matey"welcome to yolo-- home of the tide pod challenge"Jul 25 01:59
techrights-newsKernel prepatch 5.19-rc8 25 01:59
mateyits situation between omg county (a very posh suburb of yolo) and wtf countyJul 25 02:00
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mateyomg county recently had a failed petition to change its name to o...m...g...Jul 25 02:00
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DaemonFCMozilla is turning into more and more of a joke all the time.Jul 25 02:01
schestowitz[TR2]because talent lkeaveJul 25 02:01
DaemonFCWho outsources all of their infrastructure to the company that already killed Netscape and the company that's currently wiping out their only real product?Jul 25 02:01
schestowitz[TR2]it'as ann inertia thingJul 25 02:02
mateywhos ann inertiaJul 25 02:02
schestowitz[TR2]sorry, typosJul 25 02:02
matey/me checks aoJul 25 02:02
schestowitz[TR2]orgs that loise talentJul 25 02:02
schestowitz[TR2]and elevate shitsJul 25 02:02
schestowitz[TR2]drain our all remaining peopleJul 25 02:02
schestowitz[TR2]moraleJul 25 02:02
DaemonFCThey're putting MDN behind a paywall now.Jul 25 02:02
schestowitz[TR2]and only the shit staysJul 25 02:02
schestowitz[TR2]a death spiralJul 25 02:02
mateynothing yet,%20Ann/Jul 25 02:02
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DaemonFCYou didn't really need to pay to learn HTML 3.2, or even 4.Jul 25 02:03
DaemonFC3.2 was so simple you could learn it pretty much by looking at the document that defined the standard.Jul 25 02:03
DaemonFCWithout buying a shitload of expensive books.Jul 25 02:03
matey <schestowitz[TR2]> orgs that loise talent <- sfc, fsf, yolo...Jul 25 02:03
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mateyid say osi because bullshit is a talent Jul 25 02:04
DaemonFCThe idiots that wanted to do "semantic web" stuff in XHTML finally rode again and got it into HTML 5.Jul 25 02:04
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mateymicrosoft initiativeJul 25 02:05
DaemonFCWe're well past Web languages having any clear meaning as to what happens when you go to use something.Jul 25 02:05
techrights-newsNuTyX 22.07.0 available with cards 2.5.4 • Tux Machines ⇨ 25 02:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | NuTyX 22.07.0 available with cards 2.5.4 | Tux MachinesJul 25 02:05
DaemonFCschestowitz I think almost everyone is walking on thin ice these days.Jul 25 02:06
mateyremember that story where microsoft completely took something over, but then after that it was fine?Jul 25 02:06
mateyme neitherJul 25 02:07
DaemonFCEveryone is in a pissed off mood and just quick to get what they're doing done so they can go home.Jul 25 02:07
schestowitz[TR2]DaemonFC: we are doing ok.Jul 25 02:07
schestowitz[TR2]because e spend so littleJul 25 02:07
DaemonFCThe demeanor of the people I run into is really really bad.Jul 25 02:07
schestowitz[TR2]btw, what I said about abour orgs collapsing like thatJul 25 02:07
schestowitz[TR2]a la mozillaJul 25 02:07
schestowitz[TR2]happened in our company 3 years agoJul 25 02:07
schestowitz[TR2]and I plan to leave by year's endJul 25 02:07
DaemonFCschestowitz Did you have a chance to skim over the Monkeypox post?Jul 25 02:07
DaemonFCI was trying to avoid allegations of homophobia, but whenever you touch an issue like this, look out.Jul 25 02:08
schestowitz[TR2]I see it in my rss reader nowJul 25 02:08
schestowitz[TR2]will readit in a momentJul 25 02:08
mateythey should have taken the mission more siriuslyJul 25 02:08
schestowitz[TR2]first the urgent stuff, releases...Jul 25 02:08
schestowitz[TR2]bulletin cutoff 30 minsJul 25 02:09
schestowitz[TR2]need to hurryJul 25 02:09
schestowitz[TR2]biabJul 25 02:09
DaemonFCPeople don't need a good reason to attack you over it. I got accused of being an anti-vaxxer the other day and banned from an entire Discord server for saying there was no compelling medical reason to get circumcised.Jul 25 02:09
schestowitz[TR2]was working 4 nights ina row (work)Jul 25 02:09
schestowitz[TR2]off work now till wedsJul 25 02:09
DaemonFCWhen  the topic came up somehow.Jul 25 02:09
DaemonFCI have no idea what the fuck is going on with the Gates Foundation doing circumcisions in Africa.Jul 25 02:10
DaemonFCIt hasn't helped.Jul 25 02:10
DaemonFCAIDS is worse than ever and they got at least 12 million people roped in with that, probably more.Jul 25 02:10
techrights-news"Josh and Kurt talk about Microsoft creating a policy of not allowing anyone to charge for open source in their app store" Microsoft are criminals. NEVER LET criminals make the rules!!!!Jul 25 02:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Episode 333 – Open Source is unfair – Open Source SecurityJul 25 02:10
mateyopen source eats its ownJul 25 02:10
mateyusually that pertains to other people, but i suppose it could also refer to an org collapsingJul 25 02:11
DaemonFCNo, people who are not even "open source" people come along and start infighting, and then leave and let communities collapse.Jul 25 02:11
matey"lets just gnaw on these supporting beams" "sure, why not? they look tasty to me!"Jul 25 02:11
techrights-newsHow to install Krita on Pop!_OS 22.04 - Invidious ⚓ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini:// 25 02:11
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DaemonFCMr. GULAG, legend in his own mind, thinks he contributes a lot to that.Jul 25 02:12
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DaemonFCBut it's really Microsoft and a paid troll army of people like him.Jul 25 02:12
DaemonFCschestowitz I mentioned on my blog that there's only 3-4 Web sites I even use anymore with any frequency.Jul 25 02:14
DaemonFCIt's gotten this bad.Jul 25 02:14
DaemonFCThe government gives it away so people get brainwashed and spied on.Jul 25 02:14
schestowitz[TR2]same here, except RSSJul 25 02:14
DaemonFCThere Ain't No Such Thing As A Free LunchJul 25 02:14
XRevan86DaemonFC: Maybe they don't want to admit that their own genitals were operated on for no good reason.Jul 25 02:14
DaemonFCVery easy to keep the poors under control.Jul 25 02:14
DaemonFCGive away "free" internet so they don't dump it trying to save a little money and start thinking too much.Jul 25 02:15
techrights-newsAudiocasts/Shows: GNU World Order, Krita, Microsoft Attacking Free Softare, and More • Tux Machines ⇨ 25 02:15
schestowitz[TR2]typoJul 25 02:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Audiocasts/Shows: GNU World Order, Krita, Microsoft Attacking Free Softare, and More | Tux MachinesJul 25 02:16
techrights-newsWhy Wayland Merges Compositing & Window Managers - Invidious ⚓ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini:// 25 02:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Why Wayland Merges Compositing & Window Managers - InvidiousJul 25 02:16
techrights-news"Thoughts on the “gay community” and Monkeypox as “experts” recommend vaccination to gay men first. WARNING: This post will be controversial and likely offensive to LGBT people. I’m gay myself, and I don’t like what I’m seeing" 25 02:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Thoughts on Monkeypox as “experts” recommend vaccination to gay men first. Plus: Why Monkeypox is in the media in the first place. – BaronHK's RantsJul 25 02:17
mateyprotip: if success is the goal, dont give your company "SOS" as initialsJul 25 02:20
matey/me doesnt think roy will take it personally if hes out anywayJul 25 02:20
mateyif its been like that for 3 years we are already at the cynical stage of thingsJul 25 02:21
techrights-newsToday’s #HowTos | #UNIX • Tux Machines ⇨ 25 02:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | today's howtos | Tux MachinesJul 25 02:22
techrights-newsThe 4 Best MP3 Tag and Metadata Editors for Linux • Tux Machines ⇨ 25 02:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The 4 Best MP3 Tag and Metadata Editors for Linux | Tux MachinesJul 25 02:22
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DaemonFCI found another dangling part of the SeaMonkey GUI left over from a long time ago that does not do anything now.Jul 25 02:25
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DaemonFCThe address book has an "IM" button and it apparently launched whatever was setup to handle "aim" at one point. :)Jul 25 02:25
techrights-news5 Best Proven Systemd-Free Linux Distributions You Can Rely On • Tux Machines ⇨ 25 02:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 5 Best Proven Systemd-Free Linux Distributions You Can Rely On | Tux MachinesJul 25 02:25
schestowitz[TR2]matey: ^Jul 25 02:25
techrights-newsKate 22.08 • Tux Machines ⇨ 25 02:25
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phanesmatey, no reference to missing exhibits in reichwein motion to strikeJul 25 02:28
techrights-newsMorale low, not many people attended at all. Maybe that's what happens when SPI bags bribes from Microsoft and then pays lawyers to take volunteers' sites OFFLINE 25 02:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Debian -- News -- DebConf22 closes in Prizren and DebConf23 dates announcedJul 25 02:28
mateyi dont know how that works. maybes its recursive and they seal the motion to seal Jul 25 02:28
mateywhich would be terrible for record keeping but that assumes record keeping is based on the public view, and i bet its notJul 25 02:28
mateythough id just assume bet its arbitraryJul 25 02:29
mateyalso showing WHO motioned to seal seems... telling?Jul 25 02:29
mateywhich in a reasonable world (heh) they WOULD seal as its a big fucking hint (i guess?)Jul 25 02:29
mateyif i actually knew about this shit, i could do better Jul 25 02:29
phanesmatey, maybe; the motion references all exhibits present in her testimony but none of the sealed ones, even passivelyJul 25 02:30
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mateybut ive learned at least one thing: sealed doc in an UNsealed case are a thingJul 25 02:30
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mateythe motion references all exhibits present in her testimony but none of the sealed ones, even passively <- sure, why notJul 25 02:30
phanesim not getting the impression these are sealed but that they were removed before subnmitting and not cleaned upJul 25 02:31
techrights-newsCounterculture should not mean being "weird" but being against an unjust system that mistreats and abuses peopleJul 25 02:31
mateythat sounds really sloppyJul 25 02:32
mateydoes that happen?Jul 25 02:32
phanesyeah anybody sucks at editing documents can do thatJul 25 02:32
mateyhmmJul 25 02:32
mateynews to meJul 25 02:32
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phanesits like removing a chapter of content in a book youre writing and forgetting to remove it from the table of contentsJul 25 02:33
phanesi can see in the case records motions to seal and they leave a whole for sealed documents so its obvious when the court sealed somethingJul 25 02:33
phanesthese are just simply not presentJul 25 02:33
phanesin a document that is presentJul 25 02:33
techrights-newsOpen Source is NOT a movement. It's NOT just another name/term for Free software. If you think it is, you live decades in the past.Jul 25 02:34
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schestowitz[TR2]no wade, roy!Jul 25 02:40
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matey 5 Best Proven Systemd-Free Linux Distributions You Can Rely OnJul 25 02:45
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mateythats an accurate articleJul 25 02:45
mateythere are no "proven" systemd-free "linux distributions" you can rely onJul 25 02:46
mateyand there are none listedJul 25 02:46
mateybut the title is wrongJul 25 02:46
schestowitz[TR2]e love alpineJul 25 02:46
schestowitz[TR2]one nice-to-have would be manpagesJul 25 02:46
schestowitz[TR2]they're missing by defausltJul 25 02:46
schestowitz[TR2]defaultJul 25 02:46
mateywell the biggest problem with alpine is the kernel, but i said that alreadyJul 25 02:46
schestowitz[TR2]apk let's you add what's missingJul 25 02:46
mateyand i said it wasnt their faultJul 25 02:46
schestowitz[TR2]and cpanJul 25 02:46
mateyif the linux kernel is aJul 25 02:47
mateythe article lists no distributions-- work in progress?Jul 25 02:47
mateyoh ok its a link to this 25 02:47
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mateyi looked for that, didnt find it the first timeJul 25 02:48
mateyhmmJul 25 02:48
MinceRthey also keep writing "ID 1" when they mean "PID 1"Jul 25 02:48
matey1. none are alpine 2. ive used three of the 5 3. that does it for meJul 25 02:48
mateyvoid: no | devuan: no | mx: noJul 25 02:49
schestowitz[TR2]matey: id mubarakJul 25 02:49
schestowitz[TR2]MinceR I meantJul 25 02:49
mateyaccidental hindi?Jul 25 02:49
mateyroy you just said "id congratulations" more or lessJul 25 02:50
mateyxrevan can probably correct furtherJul 25 02:50
schestowitz[TR2]matey: eidJul 25 02:51
mateyas he seems to basically be real lifes answer to the star trek universal translatorJul 25 02:51
schestowitz[TR2]pidJul 25 02:51
schestowitz[TR2]eidJul 25 02:51
schestowitz[TR2]idJul 25 02:51
matey(other than google and whatever else)Jul 25 02:51
mateyNitrux is based on Debian’s unstable branch <- nope!Jul 25 02:52
mateyand slackware, which is the entry that offends me the least, but i just cant be arsedJul 25 02:52
mateymy associates dont seem to care for it, fwtwJul 25 02:52
techrights-news"People aged under 40 should not drink alcohol and consumption guidelines should be changed, study says" gemini:// 25 02:52
techrights-news<ul>Jul 25 02:53
techrights-news[cat] gemini:// 25 02:53
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mateyi ditched void because (like mx, also listed) its entirely based on githubJul 25 02:53
techrights-newsPutting ourselves out of business gemini:// 25 02:54
mateyits also just a pain in the fucking arse. but mincer likes it, and hes hard to please, so thats a point for void next to the one againstJul 25 02:54
MinceRwell, i'm not 100% satisfied with it eitherJul 25 02:54
MinceRbut i haven't found a GNU/Linux distro i like more, unless i count Bedrock, but Bedrock still depends on Void the way i use itJul 25 02:55
mateyfrom you that could be a cash prizeJul 25 02:55
techrights-news"We may have become a bit plant obsessed as of late. This weekend we picked up the following plants for our yard and future garden..." gemini:// growing one's own food is commendable!Jul 25 02:55
MinceRi'll still need to figure out how to produce an initramfs that does the right thing with FDEJul 25 02:55
matey"the mincer test"Jul 25 02:55
matey"im not 100% satisfied" SHIP IT!Jul 25 02:55
matey"what if he hates it" "then we do another rc, until weve done at least 5, then we ship anyway"Jul 25 02:56
techrights-news"We are hoping to be able to cultivate a nice collection of edibles on our property over time. So far we have 7 different plants that are edible, maybe 8 if you count Hibiscus. Right now the edibles we have are 2 guava trees, 2 varieties of mint, basil, cocoplum, prickly pear, lime and calamondin." gemini:// 25 02:56
techrights-newsAs the price of food goes up, so will the incentive to grow one's own food. As the prices of energy soar (scam, cartel, price-fixing, faked shortages, at least partly) efficient devices, inc. computers, will become more attractive. The latter helps GNU/Linux.Jul 25 02:57
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matey 25 03:03
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mateyso heres what i did about systemdJul 25 03:03
mateyin 2014, i used debian stable mostly-- and on my main development machine i used testingJul 25 03:03
mateyi did an update, rc.local was disabled (but still set executable) Jul 25 03:03
mateyand nothing told me whyJul 25 03:03
mateynote that you have to manually respond to something as revolutionary as tzdata updatesJul 25 03:04
mateymaybe i could have read more, hey, it was testing, but maybe tell me before you disable rc.local with some bullshitJul 25 03:04
mateyi think they handled it poorlyJul 25 03:05
mateyfrom then it was pretty much "fuck u, n00b" and i had spent some time collecting computers and giving them away for free to promote debianJul 25 03:05
mateyi stopped doing that after a couple hours of determining why rc.local mysteriously didnt run on bootJul 25 03:05
mateyyou see i also helped people with these free computersJul 25 03:06
mateyand i knew the minute i saw systemd that this wasnt debian anymoreJul 25 03:06
mateydebian was a responsible osJul 25 03:06
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mateyand this made it a complete pile of shit-- a decision i havent changed sinceJul 25 03:06
mateyit is AGGRESSIVELY a pile of shit, designed to say "fuck you and your mother" to anyone who DOESNT want a pile of shitJul 25 03:07
mateyit takes YEARS to try to work around this, for some reason.Jul 25 03:07
mateysure you change pid1 back, but its never the same againJul 25 03:07
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mateysystemd behaves like a permanent injury to any distro it infects the developers ofJul 25 03:08
mateydevuans had SO MUCH fun un-eating their shitJul 25 03:08
mateybut hey, i like a challengeJul 25 03:08
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mateyin late feb/early march 2015 i installed devuan on my main dev machineJul 25 03:09
mateythat was 7 years agoJul 25 03:09
mateyoh i was excited about devuan initiallyJul 25 03:09
mateyi gave money, equipmentJul 25 03:09
mateytried derivatives, tried to always try the latest version of itJul 25 03:09
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mateywhich always sucked more than the pre-alpha roio created in feb 2015Jul 25 03:10
mateydevuan sucksJul 25 03:10
mateyroios "not even trying" version was betterJul 25 03:10
mateyhe was modest as fuck about it. i dont know WTF they didJul 25 03:10
mateyi read mailing lists at devuan AND debian endlesslyJul 25 03:10
mateyive tried a bunch of devuan derives and i swear, derivs of derivsJul 25 03:11
mateyive tried devuan competitorsJul 25 03:11
mateyi even remixed debian and live and trisquel live so that they had sysvinit (upstart for trisquel) as pid 1Jul 25 03:12
mateyin the live image.Jul 25 03:12
schestowitz[TR2]devuan did not pick up wifi on myn  new laptopJul 25 03:12
schestowitz[TR2]devuan was my first choiceJul 25 03:12
mateycompletely automated-- so that you could redistribute the "distro" as a SCRIPT (hundreds of k) instead of an isoJul 25 03:12
mateybut more to the pointJul 25 03:13
mateyi spent literally half a decade fighting systemdJul 25 03:13
mateyand the WHOLE TIME people were sayingJul 25 03:13
mateythis is hopeless, just use bsd, this will kill gnu/linuxJul 25 03:13
mateyive been hearing that since 2014.Jul 25 03:13
mateythis is from former debian users like myself.Jul 25 03:14
mateybut when im determined, i put the effort inJul 25 03:14
mateyhalf a decade is long enough to fight a piece of shit like systemd for meJul 25 03:14
mateytoward the end i started lamenting that bsd probably wasnt readyJul 25 03:14
mateyit wouldnt do what i neededJul 25 03:15
mateybut id like to move somedayJul 25 03:15
mateyeventually i got bored (and ran out of good base distros to remaster into my os of choice)Jul 25 03:15
mateyand i finally decided to try freebsdJul 25 03:15
mateywhy freebsd-- the three biggest are free, net, openJul 25 03:15
mateyopen is the closest to hyperbola, the only fsf-esque bsd project from fsf-blessed devsJul 25 03:16
mateyopen is what they base hyperbola onJul 25 03:16
mateyi saved it for lastJul 25 03:16
mateyif it didnt work, and i was sure it wasnt ready-- id be sadJul 25 03:16
mateyvery sadJul 25 03:16
MinceR25 041244 < schestowitz[TR2]> devuan did not pick up wifi on myn  new laptopJul 25 03:16
MinceRthey don't ship nonfree firmware in the installerJul 25 03:17
MinceRwhich is sometimes painfulJul 25 03:17
mateyopenbsd is based on netbsd, so its the next closestJul 25 03:17
MinceRi used to work around this using Wi-PiJul 25 03:17
matey <MinceR> they don't ship nonfree firmware in the installer <- they did initiallyJul 25 03:17
mateyyoure thinking of debian. devuan adds that stuffJul 25 03:17
mateyunless this has changedJul 25 03:17
MinceRi thought devuan did the sameJul 25 03:17
mateyactually centaurian dan, who makes the non-live installerJul 25 03:17
mateydemanded that they include those drivers/modules/fw or he refused to work on itJul 25 03:18
mateyso thats always been in devuanJul 25 03:18
MinceR:>Jul 25 03:18
mateybut that also means its less free than debianJul 25 03:18
mateyin an rms wayJul 25 03:18
mateybut yeah copying fw over usb is FUNJul 25 03:19
mateyespecially since the installer isnt a full live a lot of the timeJul 25 03:19
mateyand when it is, you have other problemsJul 25 03:19
mateyfucking debianJul 25 03:19
mjg59_phanes: Again, going to ask you to stop deadnaming peopleJul 25 03:19
matey<mjg59_> not a joke, when referring to a court document, and not simply in social interactionsJul 25 03:20
mateyarent there situations where using someones legal name is warranted?Jul 25 03:20
mateyand why is this not one of themJul 25 03:20
mjg59_matey: Yeah, this is one of themJul 25 03:20
mateyin general, i think deadnaming should be avoided for the same reasons you think soJul 25 03:20
mjg59_Eh let me rephrase thatJul 25 03:21
mjg59_I think I ended up eliding some nuance thereJul 25 03:21
matey/me would rather there be guidelines on this most people can agree on and be happy with, whether or not they are followedJul 25 03:22
mateymost people (including those with the deadnames, of course)Jul 25 03:22
mateyi tried freebsd, and it actually gave me a lot of hopeJul 25 03:24
mateyat least at firstJul 25 03:24
mateyi knew it was the farthest (of 3) from what i wanted to actually move toJul 25 03:24
mjg59_"Legal name" isn't a completely solid concept in the US - there's a variety of ways to express names, and there may be inconsistencies there (eg, people may gain addional names for extra-legal reasons - it's not unusual for Catholics to adopt an additional name after confirmation)Jul 25 03:24
mateybut thats why i tried it first-- if it sucked, no big lossJul 25 03:24
matey <mjg59_> "Legal name" isn't a completely solid concept in the US <- how about the name on the document / case name thenJul 25 03:25
mjg59_But the name that is used in court filings does not need to represent what's on someone's birth certificate (eg, a lawsuit against a company may not involve any humans at all)Jul 25 03:25
phanesmjg59_, again, it appears to be the legal name of the person we're talking about.  if you have a proof of name change, which is a completely solid concept in the US, then I am happy to update.  Until then I assume you're just looking for a way to stir a victim profile to your current position of being held accountable.Jul 25 03:25
phanesreal names will be used on thisJul 25 03:25
mjg59_"real names"?Jul 25 03:26
phanesyes and i have almost no patience for any squirming around to try to obfuscate the real identies of who is involvedJul 25 03:26
mjg59_The name used on a court filing is a name that identifies the individualJul 25 03:27
mateyfreebsd worked better than i hoped, but not as well as i needed, and even if it DID work as i needed, it was NOT what i wanted (i knew that before installing)Jul 25 03:27
phanesmjg59_, that's the name being usedJul 25 03:27
mjg59_phanes: Yes, but you're not a courtJul 25 03:27
mateybut i was having fun, so i tried to install it on more machinesJul 25 03:27
mjg59_phanes: And the name is clearly corrected in later filingsJul 25 03:27
phanesmjg59_, ive made my position clear on this, evidence of name change, or steam about itJul 25 03:28
phanesmjg59_, in any case, can you comment on who captured this screenshot in exhibit 9: 25 03:28
phaneswas that captured from "lovecruft"'s phone?Jul 25 03:28
mjg59_phanes: eg, - the court refers to the defendant as LovecruftJul 25 03:28
mjg59_phanes: You picking a name other than the name the court is perfectly happy to use is a choice on your partJul 25 03:28
mateyi wasnt able to get freebsd working equally well on each machine i tried it onJul 25 03:28
mateyand even if i did, it wasnt what i wanted Jul 25 03:29
mateytoo close to githubJul 25 03:29
MinceRhow did freebsd go?Jul 25 03:29
mjg59_phanes: I have no idea whatsoever where that was captured fromJul 25 03:29
mateyusably, but on some machines it didnt install properlyJul 25 03:29
phanesmjg59_, how convenient. Jul 25 03:29
schestowitz[TR2]MinceR: to MicrosoftJul 25 03:29
mateybut now the ball was rolling, and freebsd went better than expected, soJul 25 03:30
mateyfuck it, lets see if netbsd works better on the machines where freebsd didntJul 25 03:30
mateynetbsd is what openbsd is forked from, and its farther from github than freebsdJul 25 03:30
mateyso its the #2 option for meJul 25 03:30
mateyin terms of what i tried and in terms of rankJul 25 03:30
MinceRschestowitz[TR2]: i know that, i'm asking about how it worked on the PC(s) it was tested onJul 25 03:31
mateynetbsd got me farther than freebsd, and it was closer to what i wanted anywayJul 25 03:31
mateynote that im very aware that a different collection of machines could have yielded different resultsJul 25 03:31
mateyits a bit arbitrary, i suppose-- but its what ive gotJul 25 03:31
phanesmjg59_, any way to find out?Jul 25 03:31
phanesit is a rather pivotal detailJul 25 03:32
mateythere was ONE machine i coudlnt coax netbsd ontoJul 25 03:32
mjg59_phanes: You could ask them?Jul 25 03:32
mateyso i bit the bullet and tried openbsdJul 25 03:32
mateyit had the least annoying / intricate installerJul 25 03:32
phanesmjg59_, is it an obvious enough thing that you understand why I'm asking?Jul 25 03:32
mjg59_phanes: Not really, noJul 25 03:32
mateyit worked on the machine that freebsd and netbsd didnt likeJul 25 03:32
mateyfor whatever reasonJul 25 03:32
mateyon x86 it works REALLY well for meJul 25 03:32
phanesmjg59_, look at the colors and page orientation of the messagesJul 25 03:33
mateyfor sbcs the documentation is terrible and my associates recommend netbsd for that, for nowJul 25 03:33
mateyat least some doJul 25 03:33
mateyid rather use openbsd but if netbsd is easier for someone else on an sbc, it could be true for meJul 25 03:33
mateyso netbsd (under protest) for sbcs, i guessJul 25 03:34
mateyopenbsd for everything else, and ideally everythingJul 25 03:34
mateyi migrated coming up on 2 years agoJul 25 03:34
mateyso 13 years since gnu/linux migrationJul 25 03:34
mjg59_phanes: I have no knowledge whatsoever of where those pictures came fromJul 25 03:34
matey5 years fighting systemdJul 25 03:34
matey2 years since i left gnu/linux behindJul 25 03:34
phanesmjg59_, but i thought you were familiar with the details of this caseJul 25 03:35
mateygiven all that strifeJul 25 03:35
techrights-newsLOL. How to destroy GNU/Linux. 25 03:35
mjg59_phanes: But I am aware that you continue to deadname a trans personJul 25 03:35
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mateywhen someone says "here are 5 systemd-free distros"Jul 25 03:35
phanesmjg59_, ive made my position clear on this, evidence of name change, or steam about itJul 25 03:35
mateyits like looking for a light and someone offering me a couple pieces of flintJul 25 03:35
phanesi dont care at all about your perception of "deadnaming" until I see any evidence at all that their legal name has changedJul 25 03:35
mateybeen there, done that, no thanksJul 25 03:35
mateyive done all the lion-taming i care to with gnu/penguinshitJul 25 03:36
phanesmjg59_, if you would like to provide that evidence, even in private, i can updateJul 25 03:36
mjg59_phanes: You have a court order in which a judge uses their actual name, and that's insufficient?Jul 25 03:36
mateyi longed to be rid of it, im rid of it, im happyJul 25 03:36
mateyit would be like going back to a shitty exJul 25 03:36
mateybut man, i did try.Jul 25 03:36
mateyi tried my fucking arse offJul 25 03:36
mateyso did devuan and im not sure how much they have to show for itJul 25 03:37
mateybragging rights, sureJul 25 03:37
mjg59_phanes: I mean, a court using that name seems to indicate that it's their nameJul 25 03:37
techrights-newsWindows Defender. LOL. 25 03:37
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mateybut imo theyre not improving as fast as systemd/linux gets worseJul 25 03:37
phanesnice distraction thoughJul 25 03:37
phanesfrom being asked why you suddenly aren't familiar with the details of the caseJul 25 03:38
mateyso can i recommend gnu/linux to anyone?Jul 25 03:38
mateyi thought "maybe its easier to install / user"Jul 25 03:38
mateywhich it is, a bitJul 25 03:38
techrights-newsWho does Windows Defender defend? The same company that 'Secure(TM)' boots protects... from competitionJul 25 03:38
mateyim starting to treat gnu/linux like i did with windowsJul 25 03:38
mateyuse it, fine, but if you want me to help install bsd of some kindJul 25 03:38
mjg59_phanes: I'm familiar with the details of the case. I wasn't given additional insight into non-public information.Jul 25 03:38
mjg59_phanes: But, again, why are you objecting to using a name that a federal court was fine using?Jul 25 03:39
mateyi consider gnu/linux a formerly great os with a kernel that exists to help bring free software down from the insideJul 25 03:39
phanesmjg59_, i mean, here we have your fiance submitting evidence, a screenshot of a text message conversation presumably from her phone, that appears to have been captured from the wrong phone, one that would not have been in her possession if her account was accurateJul 25 03:39
mjg59_phanes: …and now you're misgendering themJul 25 03:40
mateyso if people cant get away from gnu/linux, ok, i understand. been thereJul 25 03:40
phanesand you, being intimately familiar with both the party and the caseJul 25 03:40
mateythey can wait like i waitedJul 25 03:40
phanesjust suddenly don't know anything about itJul 25 03:40
phaness/her/they/Jul 25 03:40
mateybut if theyre looking for better thingsJul 25 03:40
mateystart trying to get bsd running nowJul 25 03:40
mateywhen i moved to gnu/linux it was xubuntu and dsl. NOT the best of the bestJul 25 03:40
mateysame with bsd. Jul 25 03:41
mjg59_phanes: Cool if you're willing to accept their gender then maybe you can also accept their name?Jul 25 03:41
mateyusage != acceptanceJul 25 03:41
mateytheres overlap, a lotJul 25 03:41
mjg59_Well sure ok he may have issues with acceptance but usage would be fineJul 25 03:41
phanesmjg59_, do you also forget pivotal details when you yourself are caught in a lie, or do you only do it when you're covering for someoneJul 25 03:41
mjg59_phanes: Hard to forget something I never knewJul 25 03:41
phanesseems like it would be trivial for you to get clarificationJul 25 03:42
phanesas to the name, until i see evidence of a legal name change there will simply not be an update to the nameJul 25 03:42
mjg59_phanes: Eh well I triedJul 25 03:42
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phanesmjg59_, no you postured.  that's different.Jul 25 03:43
matey/me picks up the red phoneJul 25 03:43
mjg59_Going to be plenty of evidence of you refusing to call a trans person by their proper nameJul 25 03:43
matey"yeah, i know"Jul 25 03:43
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phanesmjg59_, and plenty of evidence requesting evidence of a legal name change.  I'm not doing nicknames.Jul 25 03:43
phanesmjg59_, what you're confused about is that you think your usual tricks will work with me, and it's going to keep jamming you up.Jul 25 03:44
phanesmjg59_, you're not my first rodeo and you're not even one of the very hard ones.Jul 25 03:44
phanesin any case, if you want to clarify either of these issues (name change + source of screenshot) I'm happy to receive the clarification for accuracy's sakeJul 25 03:45
mjg59_phanes: Oh gosh you think *I'm* the person who'll be your problem hereJul 25 03:45
phanesnopeJul 25 03:45
phanesim ready for that tooJul 25 03:46
phanesyou're not my first rodeo, matt.  get smart.Jul 25 03:46
DaemonFC"Don't fuck with me fellas! This ain't mah first time at the rodeo!"Jul 25 03:48
phanesfo sho'Jul 25 03:48
phanesOr you and your little posse can continue to underestimate me and save me an enormous amount of work in the process.Jul 25 03:48
mateyphanes: its too bad you took down the patteron informationJul 25 03:48
mateyit looked useful, i even found it helpful-- as a fan of patterson trying to understand her position on these thingsJul 25 03:48
phanesmatey, patteron information?Jul 25 03:48
phanesoh i still have that its just in incubationJul 25 03:48
mateyin the db-- its gone (or moved to backlog)Jul 25 03:48
mateywhat i was going to ask isJul 25 03:49
britneymatey, what does freebsd have to do with github?Jul 25 03:49
mateybritney: its where some of their stuff is maintained-- including the package managerJul 25 03:49
mateya lot of it is only a mirror. Jul 25 03:49
mateyof the following: freebsd, netbsd, openbsdJul 25 03:49
mateyopenbsd is the farthest from github: true mirror onlyJul 25 03:49
mateynetbsd is second farthest: it uses gh for donationsJul 25 03:50
mateyfreebsd is the closest to githubJul 25 03:50
mateyif the goal is to get as far from github as possibleJul 25 03:50
mateythats when this information becomes instructiveJul 25 03:50
mateyif thats not the goal, im not sure how much it mattersJul 25 03:50
mateytakeover canary?Jul 25 03:50
mateymy goal is to get away from github. its not my only goal, but ive been working on it since msft purchased themJul 25 03:51
britneyfair enoughJul 25 03:51
mateyits INSANE that microsoft isnt optional to free software usersJul 25 03:51
mateyi mean, you could mirror everything and lfsJul 25 03:52
mateyclosest thing i know to this is-- voila, openbsdJul 25 03:52
mateyopenbsd also has the distinction of being the most forkable modern os i knowJul 25 03:52
mateylinux isnt. gnu isnt.Jul 25 03:52
mateyif you said "i, britney, will fork an entire modern os this year"Jul 25 03:53
mateyid advise you to use openbsd, because anything else will either be more difficultJul 25 03:53
phanesthat's a stupid amount of workJul 25 03:53
mateyor even less mainstream than openbsdJul 25 03:53
phanesgetting a bootable OS at all is tons of work, maintaining an entire os fork is just not possible for one personJul 25 03:53
matey <phanes> that's a stupid amount of work <- so is doing quantum experiments on cats without peta trying to murder youJul 25 03:53
mateybut there are other purposes besides ACTUALLY doing itJul 25 03:54
MinceRquestion is, can i fix openbsdJul 25 03:54
mateythats a fair questionJul 25 03:54
mateya fork implies you can maintain itJul 25 03:54
mateyand for something as big and complex as openbsdJul 25 03:54
matey"you" would have to be a number of peopleJul 25 03:54
mateybut a smaller number than for gnu/linuxJul 25 03:54
mateyand if you mean you as in your personal workloadJul 25 03:54
mateythat of course, is fair tooJul 25 03:55
mateyso it may not be ready enough for youJul 25 03:55
MinceRwell, at least with openbsd, there's a good chance upstream will accept my fixesJul 25 03:55
MinceRand then the workload is a lot lowerJul 25 03:55
mateyrather my goal is to find the most forkable os in the broadest practical senseJul 25 03:55
mateywhich means some people wont have their needs met by itJul 25 03:55
mateythere's a good chance upstream will accept my fixes <- a better chanceJul 25 03:55
mateywith linux theres a better chance imo of them making it worseJul 25 03:56
mateyweve reached peak linux (quality)Jul 25 03:56
mateymaybe not peak adoption, but peak qualityJul 25 03:56
mateyfrom here, :PJul 25 03:56
mateywhen im migrating to an os-- be it gnu, bsd, whateverJul 25 03:57
phanesmjg59_, so tell me who's going to be a problem for me?  no doubt some of your activist friends you're coordinating a pile-on with eh?Jul 25 03:57
mateyi want the os that works with most of the software and hw i needJul 25 03:57
mateybut once ive migratedJul 25 03:57
phanes<mjg59_> phanes: Oh gosh you think *I'm* the person who'll be your problem here <--- refJul 25 03:57
mateyi want the software and hardware that works best with the os ive chocsenJul 25 03:57
mateyneither "mode" is 100% over the otherJul 25 03:57
mateybut one is predominant and nearly 100% over the otherJul 25 03:57
mjg59_phanes: I'm just saying that deliberately deadnaming someone undermines the claim that you're engaged in the persuit of justiceJul 25 03:58
mateypeople in the pre-migration stage often have more "needs" than they have once theyve migratedJul 25 03:58
mateythats why i spent so many years moving to gnu/linuxJul 25 03:58
mateyi was moving all my tasks from one to the otherJul 25 03:58
mateyincluding the ones id never need againJul 25 03:58
mateybecause how would i knowJul 25 03:58
phanesmjg59_, well, no you're saying that (1) there will be a problem for me and (2) it won't be from you, implying that it will be from someone else.  Who is that someone else?Jul 25 03:58
mjg59_phanes: It's an indiciation to the people that you seek to turn against me that you're not actually on their sideJul 25 03:59
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mjg59_phanes: The people who are pro-deadnaming already hate meJul 25 03:59
mateyid already moved all my programming to gnu/linux BEFORE i learned pythonJul 25 03:59
mateypython would have made that a fuck of a lot easierJul 25 03:59
mjg59_phanes: So if you actually want to change public opinion against me, appearing to be on their side isn't going to do much for youJul 25 04:00
phanesmjg59_, "deadnaming" is only "deadnaming" if it's their legal name not being used.  Not using someone's nickname in a formal publication about legal proceedings and serious public interest matters is not that.  Jul 25 04:00
mjg59_phanes: You can certainly hold that opinion, but nobody that actually matters agrees with youJul 25 04:00
phanesmjg59_, oh so "the little people" will be the only ones who agree eh?Jul 25 04:00
phanesin any case, it sounds like you're trying to rehash that old "we are the real victims here" approach that's worked out so well for you so farJul 25 04:01
phanesclassic darvoJul 25 04:01
mateythe definition of deadnaming absolutely includes what mjg is talking about Jul 25 04:01
mateythe question is when is it reasonable (if ever) to deadnameJul 25 04:02
phanesit's not inappropriate to use someone's legal nameJul 25 04:02
schestowitz[TR2]keeping track opf people who change nameJul 25 04:02
matey <- wikipedia is never wrongJul 25 04:02
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schestowitz[TR2]as past words/actions matterJul 25 04:02
phanesespecially when covering issues of public interestJul 25 04:02
schestowitz[TR2]misnomers don't help eitherJul 25 04:02
DaemonFC 25 04:02
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britneyphanes, its inappropriate if the court uses their new nameJul 25 04:02
schestowitz[TR2]like misnaming people or the practiceJul 25 04:02
schestowitz[TR2]"dead"Jul 25 04:02
mjg59_phanes: What's your basis for asserting that it's not their legal name?Jul 25 04:02
mjg59_phanes: A federal court used that nameJul 25 04:03
schestowitz[TR2]to connect the past to the present sometimes you deal with multiple names, as do authoritiesJul 25 04:03
DaemonFCCalling people by their legal name isn't a crime.Jul 25 04:03
DaemonFCNor is making up a name to parody them with, such as Mr. GULAG.Jul 25 04:03
mjg59_phanes: I mean literally the US government used that nameJul 25 04:03
mjg59_phanes: So what definition are you working on here?Jul 25 04:03
phanesmjg59_, the fact that the court has submitted several summons and documents using the reichwein name as well as submissions and the findings of private investigators by the plaintiff in that same caseJul 25 04:03
MinceR25 045603 < matey> with linux theres a better chance imo of them making it worseJul 25 04:03
mjg59_phanes: There's no requirement that court filings be made under a "legal name"Jul 25 04:04
mateyphanes: fwiw, a court document that uses your "new" name may suffice as proof of name change. ianal.Jul 25 04:04
MinceRwell, with linux, some of the fixes would go against dogma (removing the CoC, for example) and others would go against the wishes of their new overlords (removing MICROS~1 and NSA crap, for example)Jul 25 04:04
mjg59_phanes: The court will accept filings that identify people in an unambiguous mannerJul 25 04:04
schestowitz[TR2]xi, akademi, blackwaterJul 25 04:04
mateybut people change their names in courtroomsJul 25 04:04
schestowitz[TR2]xi: stop deadnaming me!Jul 25 04:04
mateyits extremely common in new hampshireJul 25 04:04
schestowitz[TR2]meta: stop calling me facebnook!!Jul 25 04:04
schestowitz[TR2]alphabet: stop calling kme gulagJul 25 04:05
phanes 25 04:05
MinceR> wikipedia is never wrongJul 25 04:05
MinceRlolJul 25 04:05
phanesthis is pretty cut and dry, and is a distraction from the material issues, which I"ve found to be a common pattern with thisJul 25 04:05
matey<MinceR> lol <- thats my (nearly) standard disclaimer when i "cite" wp in a remotely serious contextJul 25 04:05
MinceRblackwater jinpingJul 25 04:05
mjg59_phanes: is one written by the actual judgeJul 25 04:06
schestowitz[TR2]wikipedia is brigades, just like social control mediaJul 25 04:06
schestowitz[TR2]russia bans wikipediaJul 25 04:06
mateyif your going to make a joke about something tedious and its going to be a running jokeJul 25 04:06
schestowitz[TR2]it feelt unfairly treatedJul 25 04:06
DaemonFCmjg59_phanes: There's no requirement that court filings be made under a "legal name"Jul 25 04:06
schestowitz[TR2]which is likely partly trueJul 25 04:06
mateyit needs to be short, sweet and probably deadpanJul 25 04:06
schestowitz[TR2]on political issuesJul 25 04:06
phaneshere's one filed by the actual defense atttorney: 25 04:06
DaemonFCIn which case, it is insufficient proof that you should use that name.Jul 25 04:06
phanesi see a strong case for both sides on this.  im going to have to see some evidence of a legal name change.Jul 25 04:07
matey <phanes> i see a strong case for both sides on this.  im going to have to see some evidence of a legal name change.Jul 25 04:07
phanesuntil then, name stays as isJul 25 04:07
mateyme tooJul 25 04:07
mateyexcept im going to suggest again that using your "new" name in a court documntJul 25 04:07
mateyis basically one legal way to change your "legal name"Jul 25 04:08
mateyand thats not tongue in cheekJul 25 04:08
schestowitz[TR2]to link an individual states constantlyu ask about past namesJul 25 04:08
mateyid like more evidence of this, really, but i think it might be accurateJul 25 04:08
schestowitz[TR2]the state is not deadnaming, it just needs to know who's whoJul 25 04:08
schestowitz[TR2]and it's also why name changes are so hard bureaucratically Jul 25 04:08
MinceR(though blackwater renamed itself to xe, not xi)Jul 25 04:08
phanesi was adopted as a kid and had to jump through many hoops to get my name fixed many times Jul 25 04:09
mjg59_phanes: Yeah the initial defence filing has to respond to the name in the intial filingJul 25 04:09
mateyit just needs to know who's who <- should i ask mjg what name they use on their license?Jul 25 04:09
schestowitz[TR2]adding phd to your passport is easyJul 25 04:09
mjg59_matey: Oh, I don't have a license in this countryJul 25 04:09
schestowitz[TR2]you just show proofJul 25 04:09
schestowitz[TR2]but changes to anything in the name is harderJul 25 04:09
matey <mjg59_> matey: Oh, I don't have a license in this country <- not yours, your fianceesJul 25 04:09
phanesmjg59_, i care only to the extent of accuracy, you know what i would need and have refused to provide it so farJul 25 04:09
mjg59_matey: Eh you'd have to ask themJul 25 04:09
mjg59_phanes: You're asserting that a name that is acceptable to a federal court is not acceptable to youJul 25 04:10
mjg59_phanes: You can definitely make that choiceJul 25 04:10
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phanesmjg59_, i am asserting that the legal name will be used, and that i currently believe the legal name to be reichweinJul 25 04:10
mjg59_phanes: What research have you done into the legal name?Jul 25 04:10
phanes mjg59_ what contrary proof have you offered that isn't countered by the same dataset it came from?Jul 25 04:10
mateyim happy to try to research thisJul 25 04:11
mateyim certainly curious enoughJul 25 04:11
mjg59_phanes: I've offered nothing. Why do you believe that one name in this set of documents is a "legal name" and that another isn't?Jul 25 04:11
britneymjg59_, phanes is just going to use "legal name" as justification to be transphobicJul 25 04:11
schestowitz[TR2]there are many reasont o change nameJul 25 04:11
schestowitz[TR2]e.g. marriageJul 25 04:11
schestowitz[TR2]but for taxes and stuff it's important to link to past identitiesJul 25 04:11
schestowitz[TR2]some terrorists changes their namesJul 25 04:11 25 04:11
mateyPetition to change your name by filling out a name change form, an order to show cause for legally changing your name, and a decree to legally change your name. Take these forms to the court clerk and file them along with your state's required filing fees. In most cases, a judge or magistrate will review your forms and grant the name change.Jul 25 04:11
schestowitz[TR2]for immigratioin pourposesJul 25 04:11
schestowitz[TR2]and some people change names cause they hate themselves and want to start overtJul 25 04:12
MinceRporpoisesJul 25 04:12
schestowitz[TR2]the states still need to link the chain of name changesJul 25 04:12 25 04:12
mateyIf you want to change your name for reasons other than those related to marriage or divorce, the legal name change process usually involves first filing a petition with the court. You may also have to attend a hearing and show cause for your name change request. If your petition is granted, the court will enter a decree with your new name.Jul 25 04:12
phanesschestowitz[TR2], they do, and its usually public record.  this is to prevent fugitives from moving to another state and assuming an aliasJul 25 04:12
schestowitz[TR2]name changes can also be used to thwart harassment or to start harassing peopleJul 25 04:12
matey^ what if this has basically happened already?Jul 25 04:12 25 04:13
mateyIn the United States, a legal name change can be obtained through a court order and any US citizen has the right to change his/her name through either common law or court procedure. A person may change his/her name at will and operate a business, write a book, or even sue someone under a different name.Jul 25 04:13
matey"A person may change his/her name at will and operate a business, write a book, or even sue someone under a different name."Jul 25 04:13
mjg59_phanes: ie, what evidence do you have that no legal name change had occurred before this case was filed?Jul 25 04:13
phanesmjg59_, you are asking to prove a negative; the burden of proof is on youJul 25 04:13
phanesif you dispute, refuteJul 25 04:14
mjg59_phanes: Your argument is "A said (a), and B said (b). A said it first, so I believe A"Jul 25 04:14
mateymjg: are they a resident of california? im only asking for checking the laws on name changesJul 25 04:14
mateywhich are by stateJul 25 04:14
schestowitz[TR2]twitter once suspending me for pointing out that one person who was harassing wikileaks changed names and kept doing it with the new nameJul 25 04:14
schestowitz[TR2]*suspeneded for a dayJul 25 04:14
mjg59_matey: I live in California, you can infer what you will from thatJul 25 04:14
phanesi think thou doest protest too much though at this point, and this really points to you trying to make an issue to stir the normies like britney into thinking its some kind of transphobic position instead of a technical accuracy and insistence on legal namesJul 25 04:14
mateyfair enoghJul 25 04:14
matey/me doesnt consider britnet a normie Jul 25 04:15
mateybritney evenJul 25 04:15
phanesif it were a truth-backed position he'd have just linked to the legal name change papers instead of all this victim posturingJul 25 04:15
mateyi think she already had her own positionJul 25 04:15
britneyphanes, im a legal professional and i can tell you that a transgender persons assumed name is allowed by courts in canadaJul 25 04:15
mjg59_phanes: Given two names used in the case, you've decided that one is a "legal name"Jul 25 04:15
phanesmjg59_, yes based on the plaintiff's PI findingsJul 25 04:16
mjg59_phanes: You have not shown or linked to any legal documents supporting that assertionJul 25 04:16
phanesthey literally hired a private investigator to find this outJul 25 04:16
phanessure i haveJul 25 04:16
mjg59_phanes: The PI literally diedJul 25 04:16
mateylied or died?Jul 25 04:16
mjg59_Unfortunate situation, but perhaps he wasn't at his bestJul 25 04:16
mateydiedJul 25 04:17
mjg59_matey: Died - had a heart attackJul 25 04:17
phanesthat really sucks Jul 25 04:17
mjg59_Maybe it compromised the quality of his work? Who knows.Jul 25 04:17
phanesin the meantime, let me know when you find that legal name change doc, you can submit privately and expect confidence if you desire it.Jul 25 04:17
britneymjg59_, it literally costs phanes nothing, $0, to use the assumed name and he is doubling down on using a legal name because that is what transphobes doJul 25 04:17
matey 25 04:17
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mjg59_britney: YupJul 25 04:17
phanesbritney, it wont workJul 25 04:18
mjg59_britney: I mean, I wouldn't say "assumed name" in this caseJul 25 04:18
britneyphanes, it costs you nothing to use the assumed nameJul 25 04:18
phanesbritney, i will use legal names for all entries and i will never, ever move from thatJul 25 04:18
britneyphanes, how do you know which name is the legal name?Jul 25 04:18
mjg59_phanes: well, in that case you've already fucked upJul 25 04:18
phanesso you call me racist or transphobic or whatever demonization device you want to use, and I'll keep using the legal name, which can be updated when i see evidence of a name change.Jul 25 04:19
britneyphanes, can you provide evidence to back up your assertion that the name you are using is the legal name?Jul 25 04:19
phanesbritney, its literally in the PI's findings and on several court documents in that same set.  im not going to argue about this anymore, the name stays until someone provides a credible refutation involving actual evidence of a name changeJul 25 04:20
mjg59_britney: He can't, because it's not trueJul 25 04:20
phanesi have already literally linked to it several times (and several instances) in this discussionJul 25 04:20
phanesnow you're just lyingJul 25 04:20
phanesand its not going to workJul 25 04:20
mjg59_I guess he'll assert that I defamed him by saying that he refuses to use someone's legal nameJul 25 04:20
mjg59_phanes: Sorry, which statement are you asserting is a lie?Jul 25 04:21
mateyI FOUND ITJul 25 04:21
phanesno what you're trying to do is exploit people  in the same way you exploit people in your other defamationsJul 25 04:21
mjg59_phanes: I just want to be certain what factual claim you're making about meJul 25 04:21 25 04:21
mateyThe federal courts have ruled again and again that changing your name at will or, by "common law" is every citizen's right under the U.S. Constitution. Using this "common law rule," you can change your name without even going to court. Technically, you only need to begin using your chosen name to assume it - and can do so legally.Jul 25 04:21
mjg59_phanes: I mean, you wouldn't want to accidentally defame meJul 25 04:21
mateyisis lovecruft imo is a legal name. imo.Jul 25 04:21
phanesmjg59_, the pattern is well documented here:,%20Matthew/2022-07-16/Jul 25 04:21
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matey ->  The federal courts have ruled again and again that changing your name at will or, by "common law" is every citizen's right under the U.S. Constitution.  <-Jul 25 04:22
phanesmatey, that's actually not true when you go to get a driver's license or a jobJul 25 04:22
mateyusing it in a court document should count imoJul 25 04:22
mjg59_phanes: You literally just said I was lyingJul 25 04:22
mjg59_phanes: All I'm asking is that you explain how I liedJul 25 04:22
phanes<mjg59_> britney: He can't, because it's not true <--- this was the lieJul 25 04:23
mateywhy would the dmv or employer be more important in determining "legal" name than the federal govJul 25 04:23
phanes<phanes> i have already literally linked to it several times (and several instances) in this discussion <--- this is where i explained why its a lieJul 25 04:23
mjg59_phanes: What evidence do you have that I'm lying?Jul 25 04:23
mateyemployers have illegal requirements, they shouldnt count hereJul 25 04:23
mjg59_phanes: You admit that you may not have seen the complete set of evidenceJul 25 04:23
mateyand why is the dmv the highest court of the land on this, because theyre the biggest pain in the arse about it?Jul 25 04:23
phanesyeah this just isn't going to work on meJul 25 04:23
mjg59_phanes: So perhaps the situation is simply that I'm better informed than you?Jul 25 04:24
mateyi think my question is fair. the difference is, im doing this for educational purposes (including mine)Jul 25 04:24
mjg59_matey: Yeah I'd say that a federal court is above the California DMVJul 25 04:24
mateybritney is doing this out of sincerityJul 25 04:24
phanesmjg59_, no the situation is that you're a liar, and you're trying to find a way to tug at the heart strings of people with fictitious insultsJul 25 04:24
mateyand mjg is, to be fair-- doing it for whatever reason(s) he does Jul 25 04:24
phanesmjg59_, as was documented previously in the TAODB entries about youJul 25 04:24
matey <mjg59_> matey: Yeah I'd say that a federal court <- yeah but youre a leftist. phanes may be a states law guyJul 25 04:24
phanesit's a pattern of behaviour with strong documented precedentJul 25 04:25
mjg59_phanes: If people read your claims that I'm a liar and thought less of me as a result, that sounds like it might be defamatory?Jul 25 04:25
mateyi still think dmv as high court choice is peculiarJul 25 04:25
britneyphanes, im both a legal professional and a transgender woman, i can tell you that insisting to use a "legal name" instead of the persons own chosen name is illegal in canadaJul 25 04:25
mateywhich proves nothing about usa except providing context (for consideration)Jul 25 04:25
phanesbritney, i will keep an eye out for a letter from the royal mountsJul 25 04:25
mjg59_phanes: I mean, assuming I'm not a liar (if I am, then obviously you have a defence)Jul 25 04:25
mateyno commentJul 25 04:26
phanesmjg59_, yes, you are not only a liar, but a habitual liar that has been caught several times in this processJul 25 04:27
mjg59_phanes: I'm more than happy for you to continue to provide evidence that you made claims with actual maliceJul 25 04:27
phanesmjg59_, won't workJul 25 04:27
britneyphanes, using a transgender persons correct pronouns and name reduce suicide ideation. so one could logically assume that you're increasing suicide risk by not using their proper gender pronouns and name.Jul 25 04:28
mjg59_I'll admit that I'm arguably a public figure here so mere negligence is inadequate, but you're doing a wonderful job of fulfilling that prongJul 25 04:28
mateyon a related note, the dmv may be violating the cosntitutional rights of trans individualsJul 25 04:28
phanesyou victim-stance all you want, it just will not work on meJul 25 04:28
phanesi am outraged that you have been able to do this to so many people with impunity but my goal is truth-finding; me not liking you while I do it is a natural consequence of you being a dirtbag, that doesn't imply maliceJul 25 04:29
mateymy sincerest feeling abot this is that phanes made an argument for what hes doing and we made a better one for doing something differentJul 25 04:29
mateyhoweverJul 25 04:29
mjg59_You've already established that you're not interested in the truth, merely your idea of the truthJul 25 04:29
mateythis is based on information i didnt even have a few hours agoJul 25 04:30
phanesnor does using the legal name of someone linked with you despite your effort to draw their behaviour away from their real nameJul 25 04:30
mjg59_phanes: …Jul 25 04:30
mateywhat if this ISNT about evasionJul 25 04:30
mjg59_phanes: Look the name they use is *extremely* publicJul 25 04:30
mjg59_phanes: You're choosing to use a name that's not actually linked to anything they doJul 25 04:30
phanesif it were a matter of there being a legal name change having taken place, you'd have supplied it and we'd be moving on, but you're going to try to spin it as some kind of social issue to try to garner supporters, and it'll backfire on you Jul 25 04:30
matey <phanes> if it were a matter of there being a legal name change having taken place <- i think i established that in EVERY COURT below the dmv fwiwJul 25 04:31
mjg59_phanes: If that were my concern I'd be more than happy for you to continue using a name that's not linked to their work or identity or anythingJul 25 04:31
mateywhat isis did regarding their name is an established constitutional right. tbh that should count Jul 25 04:32
phanesim not worried about itJul 25 04:32
phanesmoving onJul 25 04:32
mateyits just thatJul 25 04:32
matey <phanes> if it were a matter of there being a legal name change having taken place <- Jul 25 04:32
mateybut okayJul 25 04:32
mjg59_phanes: So your fixation on using their deadname really does come across as something other than an interest in justiceJul 25 04:32
mateyi think hes confused about the actual legality, like this is some kind of trickJul 25 04:33
phanesno, that's just the dumber, weaker argument you fabricated on my behalf when you found yourself unable or unwilling to address the position i actually madeJul 25 04:33
britneymjg59_, its just a way to continue being transphobic while at the same time trying to appear like thats not the case because its "the legal name."Jul 25 04:33
mjg59_matey: Yeah I mean everyone knows that isis worked for tor and is engaged to me and was harrassed by the FBI and so on, the deadname he's choosing to use doesn't tie them to anything that actually makes me look badJul 25 04:33
phanessounds like a point that the goal isn't to make you lkook bad but to get the truth out, and that you're super butthurt for being exposed as a serial defamerJul 25 04:34
mateyat least mjgs name didnt changeJul 25 04:34
mjg59_matey: But he's also so convinced that I'm Bad, he can't imagine a situation where I'd try to prevent my fiance being deadnamed because I care about my fianceJul 25 04:34
mateymjg: personally i think you have a turd for a moral compass. and i think phanes has a better one. its just that in this instanceJul 25 04:35
mateyi think your stance on naming is more correct, and that counts for something too.Jul 25 04:35
phanesi am not movable on this without evidenceJul 25 04:36
matey and i think phanes has a better one. <- i know less about him and could be WAY off of courseJul 25 04:36
mateyhe could be literally satan for all i knowJul 25 04:36
mateyor worse, clintonJul 25 04:36
britneyphanes, you called me Britney without any evidence I've had a name changeJul 25 04:36
phanesbritney, that's because this is a social interaction and not a publication Jul 25 04:36
matey <britney> phanes, you called me Britney without any evidence I've had a name change <- which is actually evidence hes NOT transphobixJul 25 04:36
mateyjust that hes adamant about this exception to using a prferred nameJul 25 04:36
mateyeven if its for reasons weve helped to debunk imoJul 25 04:37
mjg59_matey: Eh. I think my moral compass is not necesarily differently aligned, but we come to different conclusionsJul 25 04:37
mateyi didnt set out to go either way with this. i was happy to see which way truth (and reason) went on itJul 25 04:37
phanesbritney, if you had been a serial defamer and were being exposed on the site, or researched for inclusion on the site your real name would be what was used, but, in a social interaction, ive been very clear that a person's nickname should be used as a courtesyJul 25 04:37
phanesmjg59_, can you describe a time when you did something that hurt someone and felt bad about it?Jul 25 04:38
mjg59_phanes: I can! If you're a licensed therapist and work for reasonable rates I might even talk to you about itJul 25 04:39
phanesmjg59_, not a blanket "I can" but I mean a specific eventJul 25 04:39
phanesand if youve talked to a therapist you know why im going specificJul 25 04:39
mjg59_phanes: I refer you to my previous answerJul 25 04:40
phanesi didn't think you couldJul 25 04:40
phanesi wont tell you why that's important because it'll teach you how to be yourself without being undetected in more situations Jul 25 04:40
phanes*without being detectedJul 25 04:40
mateyi have a more hypothetical one, just for fun i guessJul 25 04:40
mjg59_phanes: Me telling you anything about previous situations in which I've hurt someone involves me telling you about someone else, and in the absence of you having any professional obligation to keep things secret I'm not going to tell you about themJul 25 04:41
mjg59_phanes: Any information you could obtain from me in that discussion could be used to hurt other people. I simply don't trust you.Jul 25 04:41
mateymjg what would you do if we proved (as unlicensed internet geeks, i dont know what kind of proof we can offer) that you were a sociopathJul 25 04:41
mateywould it matter?Jul 25 04:41
mjg59_matey: It wouldJul 25 04:42
mjg59_matey: I've sought therapy as a result of online discussionsJul 25 04:42
mateycan you think of anything you might do about such a situation?Jul 25 04:42
phanessociopaths can emulate empathy to meet a goalJul 25 04:42
mjg59_matey: If people presented me with a good argument, I'd definitely seek further helpJul 25 04:42
matey <mjg59_> matey: I've sought therapy as a result of online discussions <- about 100% of my interest in that-- which IS piqued by the wayJul 25 04:42
mateyis from you bringing it up.Jul 25 04:43
phanesso can narcissists, in fact its common with NPDJul 25 04:43
matey <phanes> sociopaths can emulate empathy to meet a goal <- i can think of a great example of this (the good side of it) but out of consideration of that person i wont use a name hereJul 25 04:43
mjg59_matey: I've had Gamergate spend time focused on destroying me, and that was definitely something where I spent time questioning whether some of the accusations were accurateJul 25 04:43
mateythat is to say any name at allJul 25 04:43
mjg59_matey: It's also something that's fallen out of some online discussions about transphobia, and whether I was sincere or whether I was just trying to be protective of people I wanted to care about meJul 25 04:44
mateyI spent time questioning whether some of the accusations were accurate <- do you know my personal opinion about sociopaths? its not a professional one of course, and i dont know how it would matter other than being on topicJul 25 04:44
mjg59_matey: Like I've said before, we may not agree on a whole bunch of stuff, but I do respect your opinions as being genuinely held and I'll listen to themJul 25 04:45
phanesmjg59_, what's your take on the continuous cycle of people using almost identical accusations of you from different events?  like why do you think it keeps happening?Jul 25 04:46
mjg59_phanes: I'd guess it's because I respond in predictable ways to people who are badJul 25 04:46
phanesmjg59_, so they are all lying?Jul 25 04:46
mateyi personally believe, given a fair amount of experience with people, that sociopaths 1. are curable 2. only if they devote their life to helping themselves evolve 3. most of whom will only fake it. 4 but some of whom will go the whole way and become heroes of a sort (that is, heroes for struggling to become whole people against the odds)Jul 25 04:46
mjg59_Eh ok they're not neccessarily bad they might just do bad thingsJul 25 04:47
mjg59_matey: I think I agree with all of thatJul 25 04:47
phanesi dont think sociopaths are curable and i know factually that there are 0 cases of NPD rehabilitationsJul 25 04:47
mateyi believe there are high-functioning sociopaths and theyve rigged together a sort of soul for themselves, which functions well enough to be street legalJul 25 04:47
mateybut its a hell of a thing to accomplishJul 25 04:48
mjg59_matey: When I need to find a therapist I pick someone who has experience with narcissists because I know I'm capable of telling convincing lies and I want them to be able to identify that and call me on itJul 25 04:49
phanesmjg59_, have you been formally diagnosed with NPD?Jul 25 04:49
mateyave you been formally diagnosed with NPD?Jul 25 04:49
matey <- i wouldnt tell anyone to answer yes to thisJul 25 04:49
matey^Jul 25 04:49
mjg59_I don't think that I actually have a habit of telling convincing lies - I just know that I'm capable of identifying a set of facts and come up with a storyJul 25 04:50
*schestowitz-TR thinks the channel has lost focus hours ago, but doesn't mind too much... makes backups of 3 laptops overnightJul 25 04:50
mjg59_I mean, that's basically what science isJul 25 04:50
mjg59_Look at facts, come up with a storyJul 25 04:50
phanesthat isJul 25 04:50
mateythats step 1Jul 25 04:50
phanesnot what science isJul 25 04:50
mjg59_But with science, we have ways to test thatJul 25 04:50
mateyscience is about testing that storyJul 25 04:50
mateyrightJul 25 04:51
mjg59_With personalities, it's hard to do that ourselvesJul 25 04:51
mateyvery!Jul 25 04:51
mjg59_So we rely on others to test it for usJul 25 04:51
mjg59_I'm a trained scientiesJul 25 04:51
mjg59_tJul 25 04:51
mateyi think phanes statement of 0 rehabilitations appears inaccurate from a cursory searchJul 25 04:51
techrights-newsOn telling users to write the documentation themselves gemini:// 25 04:51
mjg59_So this is the sort of thing I'm supposed to be good atJul 25 04:51
mateyits like saying can cancer be curedJul 25 04:52
mateynoJul 25 04:52
mjg59_Which is why I want to find people who are good at identifying that, so I can keep myself in checkJul 25 04:52
mateybut cancer can be more or less cured for the most important intents and purposes, and thats the ideaJul 25 04:52
mjg59_If I say "I did this because (a) and (b)", I want someone who can tell me "But (a) is incompatible with (b)"Jul 25 04:52
mateyi think npd can be treated its just fucking rare that it helpsJul 25 04:52
matey I want someone who can tell me "But (a) is incompatible with (b) <- you dont need a doctor, you need a physicistJul 25 04:52
phanesmatey, show me one example of a cured NPD patientJul 25 04:53
mateythis is exactly why i prefer the term sociopathJul 25 04:53
mjg59_matey: Eh when it comes to interpersonal interactions I don't think it requires a physicistJul 25 04:53
phanesnarcissists and sociopaths are fundamentally different Jul 25 04:53
mateythe physicist part was a well-inteded tongue in cheek jokeJul 25 04:53
mjg59_But I seek out professional help to ensure that I'm not actually making up explanations that make me look goodJul 25 04:54
mateybut you want a highly-technical therapist obviouslyJul 25 04:54
mjg59_Yup!Jul 25 04:54
mateyi mean one who can appeal to your way of seeing the worldJul 25 04:54
mjg59_Eh maybe not? One who can tell me that my way of seeing the world is bullshitJul 25 04:54
mjg59_I don't want therapists who make me feel good about the situation I'm inJul 25 04:54
mjg59_I want therapists who'll tell me I'm fucking up if I'm fucking upJul 25 04:55
mateysticking only to information thats already publicJul 25 04:55
mateyhow did you meet isis anyway, im not asking for many details, just a little insight into all of this (not the case, your personal life)Jul 25 04:55
mateyand im only asking for things that are public knowledge (but that doesnt mean ima ware of them)Jul 25 04:56
mateyim not asking you to "reveal" anything hereJul 25 04:56
mjg59_matey: Oh, I was giving a talk at the EFF and they were in the audienceJul 25 04:57
mateythey talked to you after?Jul 25 04:57 25 04:57
mateyMetacognitive interpersonal therapy (MIT) MIT is a step-by-step treatment designed to: dismantle narcissistic processes by looking at problems as they pertain to your own life. Jul 25 04:57
mateywho knows if it worksJul 25 04:58
mjg59_matey: Yeah, but it took 3 years before I realised they weren interested in meJul 25 04:58
mjg59_matey: I'm pretty obliviousJul 25 04:58
mateybut youre engaged?Jul 25 04:58
mjg59_Oops "were" not "weren"Jul 25 04:58
phanesmatey, oh i dont deny that there are treatment methods, I deny that any are successful in curing the illness.  NPD has tragic and seemingly locked patterns.Jul 25 04:58
mateyoh okJul 25 04:58
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mateyNPD has tragic and seemingly locked patterns. <- ive seen them. so youre saying the treatments dont actually unlock those?Jul 25 04:59
phanes0 cases of rehab documented Jul 25 04:59
mjg59_matey: We were sitting next to each other at a wedding 3 years later and there was a Bitcoin person sitting opposite me and I got into an argument with him and isis thought it was hilariousJul 25 04:59
mateyi consider this a highly personal question, but considering they didnt sign, im not sure how it can have a bad answerJul 25 05:00
mateyill ask just for the hell of itJul 25 05:00
mateythese questions DONT all have a single point where they join, and theyre not all random eitherJul 25 05:00
mjg59_matey: And then we went on 5 dates in 6 days and I finally figured out that maybe they actually wanted to spend time with meJul 25 05:00
mateyim going in more than one dirction with thisJul 25 05:00
phanesmjg59_, what year was that?Jul 25 05:01
mateyi dont believe isis signed under their name or deadname or any nameJul 25 05:01
mateydo you know why they didnt?Jul 25 05:01
mateythe stallman ltterJul 25 05:01
mjg59_matey: (I'll let you figure out how this plays into Roy's continual assertions that I attend FLOSS conferences to sleep with people)Jul 25 05:01
mateyoh you debunked that imoJul 25 05:01
mateyhe made a generalisation to try to sully you as much as possibleJul 25 05:02
mateybased PARTLY on something you actually saidJul 25 05:02
mateybut imo his wording was inaccurate. we dont have to be on the same side for me to agree with a valid point Jul 25 05:02
mjg59_matey: isis submitted some patches to a free software project and they got ignored and then did so again under a fake male name and they got applied and now they hate working with free software projects so refused to take a position on rmsJul 25 05:02
mateyi may choose to stay out of it, but i chose to involve myself thereJul 25 05:02
mateymatey: isis submitted some patches to a free software project and they got ignored and then did so again under a fake male name and they got applied and now they hate working with free software projects <- thats a real shameJul 25 05:03
mateyand yeah i know shit like that happensJul 25 05:03
mateyso refused to take a position on rmsJul 25 05:03
matey ^ i think thats nobleJul 25 05:03
mateyor ethical. or reasonable. or one of those.Jul 25 05:03
mjg59_Yeah their problem with free software isn't rmsJul 25 05:03
mateyits douchebagsJul 25 05:04
mjg59_So it wasn't their fightJul 25 05:04
mjg59_No reason for them to sign itJul 25 05:04
mjg59_I respect thatJul 25 05:04
mateyyeahJul 25 05:04
mateyim on the left politically. i have a very libertarian spirit about things. they may not agree. i did consider myself libertarian at one point.Jul 25 05:05
mateyi consider the problems of the world to be created by the fake left and the fake rightJul 25 05:05
mateythe real left and the real right are less of a problem.Jul 25 05:06
mateythe problem with fakes is they always serve the status quo in the end. either side.Jul 25 05:06
*schestowitz-TR leaves laptop to copy across 231gb, leaves for the nightJul 25 05:06
mateythe real left imo is our only hope.Jul 25 05:06
mateybut they have more in common with the real right than the right understands, mostlyJul 25 05:06
mateyfor example, everyone should be armed. i know you dont agree.Jul 25 05:06
mateyi think everyone should be armed.Jul 25 05:07
mateybut especially the socialists!Jul 25 05:07
mateyand all of the workersJul 25 05:07
mateyits easier to get the real right to understand the real leftJul 25 05:07
mateybecause theyre not bullshittingJul 25 05:08
mateythe fake right is fake because theyre NOT actually conservative-- theyre NOT actually libertarianJul 25 05:08
mateyand they really just believe in doing what they want because force.Jul 25 05:08
mateythats not even politics, its just thuggeryJul 25 05:08
phanesi think everyone should have a registered gun and an unregistered gun.  one in break-glass for intruders, one in break-glass for tyranny.  'merica.Jul 25 05:08
mateythe fake left is a problem because they hold back the real left.Jul 25 05:09
mateyin other words, they fight for progress they then preventJul 25 05:09
mateywith some notable exceptionsJul 25 05:09
mateythe best example of the fake left is stalin himselfJul 25 05:10
mateyeveryone should learn about stalins careerJul 25 05:10
mateythe same way they learn what a cuntbag hitler wasJul 25 05:10
mateyits an equally important historical lesson for everyoneJul 25 05:10
phanesyeahJul 25 05:10
phaneskilled way more people tooJul 25 05:10
britneymatey, stalin was a bank robberJul 25 05:10
mateyhe robbed whole countriesJul 25 05:11
mateyand i dont mean that he annexed. i mean he took them away from the people Jul 25 05:11
mateyi dont care about governments. governments are like diapersJul 25 05:11
mateyyorue supposed to grow out of them eventuallyJul 25 05:11
mateyand theyre full of shit :)Jul 25 05:11
phanesyeah you know something is wrong when your two chief choices are hillary clinton or donald trump.  Jul 25 05:12
mateyshe ran his electionJul 25 05:12
phanesyes lolJul 25 05:12
mateynot enough people wanted trump to actually elect him (the first time)Jul 25 05:13
mateythey dont want him now either, but they do believe soJul 25 05:13
mateythey didnt vote for trump. they voted for not-hillaryJul 25 05:13
mateythe democrat voters wanted bernieJul 25 05:13
phanesthis jan 6th thing was taken too lightlyJul 25 05:13
mateythe dnc sucks that hardJul 25 05:13
phaneshe needs to be barred from even runningJul 25 05:13
matey<phanes> this jan 6th thing was taken too lightly <- it was a coupJul 25 05:14
phanespreferrably on a gallowJul 25 05:14
mateythe coup didnt take power, but it was still a coupJul 25 05:14
phanesgive 'im the ole "Saddam" treatmentJul 25 05:14
mateythe us gov will never hang someone that high up for treasonJul 25 05:14
mateysomeday though, the people willJul 25 05:14
mateydunno when Jul 25 05:15
phanesim practicing my french in anticipationJul 25 05:15
mateybut its a historical fact, it just hasnt happened yetJul 25 05:15
mateymeh, the french are cuntsJul 25 05:15
mateybut theyve done some cool thingsJul 25 05:15
mateynot recently :/Jul 25 05:15
mateyright now theyre just doing roma pogramsJul 25 05:15
phanesin mil. history they always get sold short.  they just are so good at losing.Jul 25 05:15
phanesor runningJul 25 05:16
mateythats not what bothers meJul 25 05:16
mateythey dont know when to right "run into those bullets!" "Jul 25 05:16
mateywhy?" "i dont know, it sounded cool!"Jul 25 05:16
mateythey dont know when fight and when to retreatJul 25 05:16
matey"hitlers coming"Jul 25 05:16
matey"okay get the white flags!"Jul 25 05:16
matey"why?"Jul 25 05:16
matey"we tried running into bullets and that was shit!"Jul 25 05:17
phaneslolJul 25 05:17
matey"yeah but what the fuck are we doing, just flipping a coin?"Jul 25 05:17
mateythese are not the proudest moments in french historyJul 25 05:17
mateyand those certainly existJul 25 05:17
mateybut i still think theyre cuntsJul 25 05:17
mjg59_I grew up in Europe, obviously I have opinions about US politics and the space it occupriesJul 25 05:17
phanesa person can love their country while hating the things it doesJul 25 05:18
mateyus politics are mostly based on the government, thats why us politics suck so muchJul 25 05:18
mateyi like americansJul 25 05:18
mateyuntil they get into officeJul 25 05:18
mateythen i generally dontJul 25 05:18
mateyi coudlve met obama, i did support his campaignJul 25 05:18
mateyby the time i had the chance i went to mcdonaldsJul 25 05:19
mateyive also been to bens chili, but only because more interesting people than obama went thereJul 25 05:19
mateyto be fair, he WAS the first black presidentJul 25 05:19
mateybut its also fair to say "better luck next time"Jul 25 05:19
mateyi think oprah wouldve been betterJul 25 05:20
mateymaybe even less than terribleJul 25 05:20
mjg59_I think Obama was the most effective US president in my lifetime, and that's not saying a great dealJul 25 05:20
mateyfsvo effectiveJul 25 05:20
mateyyoure in your 30s? Jul 25 05:20
mjg59_Also way too many drone strikesJul 25 05:20
mjg59_42Jul 25 05:20
mateyyeah the drones are a dealbreaker for meJul 25 05:20
phanesyeah as a potus he did alot but he may also fall into the mass murderer categoryJul 25 05:20
mjg59_I don't think you get to be US president without being a mass murdererJul 25 05:21
mjg59_Maybe Carter avoided that, justJul 25 05:21
mateythat says a lotJul 25 05:21
mjg59_Everyone in my lifetime has murdered a shitload of peopleJul 25 05:21
mateyi dont call it murder if its justJul 25 05:21
mateyproblem is its usually about profit, not justiceJul 25 05:21
phaneseh.  hard to call civilian men women and children in the ironsights of a drone a just killingJul 25 05:22
mateymost wars are bullshit. but you wont see me telling ukraine to "be nice"Jul 25 05:22
mateybecause you really DO have a right to defend yourselfJul 25 05:22
mateyeven if the usa is just exploiting themJul 25 05:22
mateyproxy war fodderJul 25 05:22
mjg59_Yeah I'd treat Ukraine differentlyJul 25 05:22
phaneswhat we did in the ME was the same kind of justice you see in the gaza stripJul 25 05:22
phaness/justice/"justice"/gJul 25 05:22
mjg59_But Greneda? Iraq II? Afghanistan?Jul 25 05:22
mateywar crimes > murder > defenceJul 25 05:23
mateyiraq ii was just straight up war crime profiteeringJul 25 05:23
phanespayday for contractorsJul 25 05:23
mateyblair should have a velvet rope or somethingJul 25 05:23
mjg59_And Clinton had missile attacks on legitimate chemical factoriesJul 25 05:23
mateythough i think they should have shot saddamJul 25 05:23
mateyif youre in the military you should get a choiceJul 25 05:24
mateyrope or bulletJul 25 05:24
mateyhe wanted bulletJul 25 05:24
mjg59_Please don't view me as someone in favour of imperialismJul 25 05:24
mjg59_I was born in Ireland, I have some experience of thisJul 25 05:24
mateyirelands weird and doesnt represent the worldJul 25 05:24
mateyhowever they wanted to send the guy who helped with the peace process to the middle eastJul 25 05:24
mateyi thought it was a great idea.Jul 25 05:25
mjg59_Ireland was utterly fucked over by Britain for a very long timeJul 25 05:25
mateythe biggest problems in the middle east arent israel and palestine-- though i do blame israel for their roleJul 25 05:25
mjg59_Not to the extent of being sold into slavery, so there's a categorical distinction thereJul 25 05:25
mateyits the rest of the world exploiting that conflict isntead of fixing itJul 25 05:25
mateythats the bigger problemJul 25 05:25
mjg59_matey: A lot of the middle east is also the UK's faultJul 25 05:26
mateythe british are cunts too. and i adore them mostlyJul 25 05:26
phanesthere were irish slavesJul 25 05:26
phanesin the usJul 25 05:26
mateyincluding ulster <3Jul 25 05:26
mjg59_phanes: Fuck the fucking fuck offJul 25 05:26
phanesdark time in us historyJul 25 05:26
phanesim not kidding, its trueJul 25 05:26
mjg59_phanes: That's some actual white supremacist bullshitJul 25 05:26
mjg59_It's literally notJul 25 05:26
mjg59_The form of indentured servitude that irish people were subject to in the US is nothing akin to slaveryJul 25 05:27
phanesi may actually be full of shit on that now that im looking it up, but i could swear this was covered in like a 4th grade history classJul 25 05:27
matey <- wikipedia is never wrongJul 25 05:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Irish slaves myth - WikipediaJul 25 05:27
mjg59_The only people that advance that argument are attempting to undermine the evil of slavery by suggesting that white people were treated as poorlyJul 25 05:27
mateyi dont think phanes is a white supremacistJul 25 05:27
phanes"indentured servantry" is what i think the term used isJul 25 05:28
mjg59_matey: He may not be, but if you sit at a table with 7 people who are nazis and 1 who's merely suggesting that their arguments have meritJul 25 05:28
matey <- usa today is a big pile of shit but im linking this anywayJul 25 05:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Fact check: Irish were indentured servants, not slavesJul 25 05:28
mjg59_I'm not going to argue that indentured servitude was goodJul 25 05:28
matey<mjg59_> matey: He may not be, but if you sit at a table with 7 people who are nazis and 1 who's merely suggesting that their arguments have merit <- okay, but where are the other 7Jul 25 05:28
mjg59_But it was absolutely not akin to slaveryJul 25 05:29
phanes 25 05:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Reductio ad Hitlerum - WikipediaJul 25 05:29
mjg59_More an exported form of feudalismJul 25 05:29
mateysometimes people get history wrong for innocent reasonsJul 25 05:29
mateyor because a cryptofascist told them something dumbJul 25 05:29
phanes"""“While the majority of Irish people who became indentured servants in the Colonies did so willingly (why they felt they had to so is, of course, another question), a not insignificant number were forcibly deported and sold into indentured servitude,” Liam Hogan, a librarian and historian known for his work dispelling the Irish slave myth, told Pacific Standard magazine in 2018."""Jul 25 05:30
phanes 25 05:30
mateyand if youre gentle-- though you can try to egg him over irc--Jul 25 05:30
mateysometimes a simple factual correction works on reasonable peopleJul 25 05:30
mateyi said sometimesJul 25 05:30
mjg59_phanes: While evil, indentured servitude was not the same as slaveryJul 25 05:30
phanesi agree with that and stand correctedJul 25 05:30
mateyyou know who is saying there were white slaves too these daysJul 25 05:31
phanesthe pivot point i think there is on legal personhoodJul 25 05:31
mateyis john cleese. and since i have no reason to think hes a white supremacistJul 25 05:31
mateyi was included to believe himJul 25 05:31
mateyinclinedJul 25 05:31
mjg59_phanes: Thank you for admitting that you are not always correct, and I apologise for having a strongly emotional reaction to your original claimJul 25 05:32
phanesit's okay, I already knew you were an easily offended assholeJul 25 05:32
mateyim sure he means that in the nicest way possible :)Jul 25 05:32
mjg59_phanes: The "There were Irish slaves" claim is almost always advanced by people who do not have any Irish background, and as someone who does I find it hugely offensiveJul 25 05:32
phanesim a good mix of german, scottish and cherokeeJul 25 05:33
matey is almost always advanced by people who do not have any Irish background <- im allegedly from the mccormick lineJul 25 05:33
mjg59_phanes: The co-option of Irish americans into the white supremacist narrative is fundamentally incompatible with modern Irish cultureJul 25 05:33
mateybut damned if ill ever prove it now, and i dont identify strongly with it (but i do like the irish)Jul 25 05:34
mateynearly married oneJul 25 05:34
mateythat is, someone born thereJul 25 05:34
mateyas they consider consider descendents of irish "irish"Jul 25 05:34
mateydont consider ^Jul 25 05:34
mjg59_If you have an Irish grandparent you're IrishJul 25 05:34
matey modern Irish culture <- and any decent irish culture at thatJul 25 05:35
mjg59_Even if you weren't born thereJul 25 05:35
matey If you have an Irish grandparent <- little farther backJul 25 05:35
mjg59_(Some details based around exact timing elided)Jul 25 05:35
mateyat any rate, i dont consider myself (significantly) irishJul 25 05:36
mateybut someone was. maybe a bunchJul 25 05:36
phanesprobably a bunchJul 25 05:36
mateydna says a bunchJul 25 05:36
mateyi didnt, but a relative didJul 25 05:36
mjg59_Honestly as someone who also spent a bunch of time growing up in Northern Ireland a bunch of Irish-American culture is actually badJul 25 05:36
mateyso i know the dna (but i think some of thats bunk.)Jul 25 05:36
mateya bunch of Irish-American culture is actually bad <- oh cmonJul 25 05:37
mjg59_Peter King's love of the IRA was obsceneJul 25 05:37
phanesmjg59_, that would be a damper on having kids i'd imagineJul 25 05:37
mateya few brass knuckles and burned out store fronts never hurt anybodyJul 25 05:37
mateyoh irish-americanJul 25 05:37
mjg59_matey: The town I grew up in was blown up by an IRA splinter group in 1998 in the single worst terrorist attack of the troublesJul 25 05:37
mateyof course you know i wasnt seriousJul 25 05:37
mateywhen i was a kidJul 25 05:38
mateyi was lkeJul 25 05:38
mjg59_matey: Yeah sorry just providing contextJul 25 05:38
matey"fuck! ill never go there, that place is CRAZY"Jul 25 05:38
mateythen when i was there Jul 25 05:38
mateyi was likeJul 25 05:38
mjg59_matey: But people in Boston kept on giving them money even after the ceasefireJul 25 05:38
mateynoooooooo, i dont want to leaveJul 25 05:38
mateythen i was depressed for like two years after i leftJul 25 05:38
mateyi mean like REALLY depressedJul 25 05:38
mateyso im quite fond of them reallyJul 25 05:39
mjg59_I love going back thereJul 25 05:39
mateyif i could get a fucking cornish pastie and some proper chips and hp sauce id be happyJul 25 05:39
mateymost of which is doable. even the pastie, but thats the trickiest partJul 25 05:39
mateyive certainly had hp sauce and proper chips since thenJul 25 05:40
phanesi enjoy a good haggisJul 25 05:40
mateyyou can have mineJul 25 05:40
mateythough honestly i should probably try the damned thingJul 25 05:40
phanesnot much on islay scotch thoughJul 25 05:40
phanestoo much bandaid tasteJul 25 05:40
mateyit cant be any worse than sausageJul 25 05:40
phanesits actually really good when its made wellJul 25 05:41
mateythe most undrinkable thing ive ever had with alcohol was canadian mistJul 25 05:41
mateyi imagine it would taste about the same if i licked my antiperspirantJul 25 05:41
phaneswhat the canadians make and call whiskey should not be legally allowed to be called whiskeyJul 25 05:41
mateyim not dissing canadian alcohol altogether, im not that meanJul 25 05:41
mateyive had some i like tooJul 25 05:42
mateyjust not thatJul 25 05:42
mateycanadian mist isnt a drink, its a munitionJul 25 05:42
mateyat best its an industrial solventJul 25 05:42
mateybut not for drinkingJul 25 05:42
mateyand its not even that strong, its just horridJul 25 05:42
phanesim not a big fan of irish whisky either tbhJul 25 05:42
mateybut ive had plenty of canadian booze that i never complained aboutJul 25 05:43
phanesjust never could acquire a taste for it outside of post-funeral partiesJul 25 05:43
mateyand by plenty i mean i didnt drink until my 30s and even then not enough for doctors to get involvedJul 25 05:43
phanesi drankJul 25 05:43
mateyive had two hangovers, roughlyJul 25 05:44
phanesi developed a stupid level of tolerance for itJul 25 05:44
phanesoh ill get hung overJul 25 05:44
phanesi may even dieJul 25 05:44
phanesbut im going to fall lastJul 25 05:44
phanesi remember the only time my uncle drank with me as after dad died, and we sat there with a bottle of the nastiest dewer's you've ever cleaned a gear with, and we took shot for shot till the old man keeled over a few hours later about 5 imnutes before i didJul 25 05:46
phanes3rd bottle had about 75% lerft the next day and we decided that we'd all had enough for the tripJul 25 05:46
mateymjg:Jul 25 05:47
mateythis is half intended as a rib but technically its real adviceJul 25 05:47
mateyim 99% certain ben rich is NOT a sex touristJul 25 05:47
mateyso dont go burning him at the stake until you have more than a few forum posts to go onJul 25 05:48
matey/me likes him and is pretty sure hes innocentJul 25 05:48
mjg59_matey: Not familiar with himJul 25 05:49
mateyhes not in foss, hes a youtuberJul 25 05:49
mateyfeel free to keep an eye on johnny, weve decided hes weirdJul 25 05:49
mjg59_Irish whiskey was largely terrible for a long time, because the Irish booze industry consolidated after independence and almost all the good breweries and distilleries got closed downJul 25 05:49
mjg59_But the past 20 years has seen a huge resurgence in high quality Irish whiskeyJul 25 05:50
mjg59_Lots of small independent distilleries, and also much better expost of what was already made to the USJul 25 05:51
phanesstill kind of hard to catch up to the magic that's going on in banffshire/dufftown mjg59_ Jul 25 05:51
mjg59_It's kind of upsetting, Green Spot used to be about $15 a bottle and come with a screw cap, and now it's a premium thing that's $50 a bottleJul 25 05:51
mateymy favourite youtuber at the moment 25 05:52
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mateyat first hes grating, but hes a wild mix of interesting information and comedic delivery (that particular video is a horrible example of this)Jul 25 05:53
mateythis one is good this one is Fucked 25 05:54
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matey <mjg59_> It's kind of upsetting, Green Spot used to be about $15 a bottle and come with a screw cap <- whiskey gentrification!Jul 25 05:54
mjg59_Honestly the only youtuber I've really got into is lookmumnocomputerJul 25 05:54
mateyhe makes music and things that make musicJul 25 05:55
mateythat almost sounds like hank hill started a bandJul 25 05:55
phanesfound the seal request, it was just for a portion of the anonymous testimony: 25 05:55
mjg59_matey: Haha when I first moved to SF I ended up in a bar listening to a guy with an Irish accent complain that when he'd moved into his neighbourhood it was so real but now almost all his neighbours were whiteJul 25 05:55
mjg59_matey: And I managed to avoid explaining that maybe he was part of the problem thereJul 25 05:56
mateyoh god, i used to live in a very gay town and then all th  straights started moving inJul 25 05:56
mateyand i didnt mind, except it was less cool thenJul 25 05:56
mjg59_It's fine, the place I live used to be owned by the head of the SF Republican Party so I only displaced a dickJul 25 05:57
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mjg59_Also I did enjoy earlier that Roy just refused to take a stand on the channel not discussing tech rights because whoever he criticised would result in bullshitJul 25 06:01
matey<mjg59_> matey: And I managed to avoid explaining that maybe he was part of the problem there <- i bet he knewJul 25 06:01
mjg59_I actually empathise on that pointJul 25 06:01
mjg59_Moderation is hardJul 25 06:01
mjg59_matey: I'm geninely not sure that he didJul 25 06:01
matey <mjg59_> matey: I'm geninely not sure that he did  <- what are the oddsJul 25 06:02
matey<mjg59_> Moderation is hard <- i hope you never understand his methods, i can assure you he doesntJul 25 06:03
mjg59_matey: People in their 20s working for tech companies in SF? Default assumption is lack of social awarenessJul 25 06:04
mateyPeople in their 20s working for tech companies in SF? Default assumption <- fair playJul 25 06:04
mateyyou made him sound older Jul 25 06:05
mjg59_Oh yeah people here are very "Oh I was here 2 years ago, you're the newbies"Jul 25 06:05
mjg59_It's not super healthy tbhJul 25 06:05
phanesi dont think anyboidy is arguing that califonia tech culture is healthyJul 25 06:05
mateythe neuveau techeJul 25 06:06
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phanestbh i dont view employers in silicon valley as stable unless they're one of the big 5Jul 25 06:07
phanesbetween that and the housing situationJul 25 06:07
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mateymjg i know this is a flawed question, feel free to rewrite it to allow for a better answerJul 25 06:10
mateyif you only had one class (one session) to teach your studentsJul 25 06:10
mateywhats the one thing youd stress most about securityJul 25 06:10
mjg59_matey: Nothing you believe is trustworthy should be treated as such unless you can verify itJul 25 06:11
mateyhmmJul 25 06:11
mjg59_matey: And, in the absence of belief about something being trustworthy, how can you protect against it anywayJul 25 06:11
mateyi know its not intendedJul 25 06:12
mjg59_It ends up coming down to "Can I trust my CPU" and the answer is "No, but what else are you going to do"Jul 25 06:12
mateyhmmJul 25 06:12
mjg59_Really the moral is "Build a decent threat model"Jul 25 06:13
mateyalways rightJul 25 06:13
mjg59_Identify where the threats are, and identify whether the people who could exploit those threats care about youJul 25 06:14
mjg59_For most people, the answer is that they don't need to care about their CPU vendorJul 25 06:14
mjg59_It's not worth the risk to the vendor to compromise someone where there's a risk that might be identifiedJul 25 06:14
mjg59_For some people, that's a risk you need to care aboutJul 25 06:15
mjg59_And the most important thing in security is figuring out where you are in that scaleJul 25 06:15
mjg59_Because that influences everything that you spend time and money onJul 25 06:15
mateyi mean, cops in india are putting rats on journalistsJul 25 06:15
mateythen using it to plant evidenceJul 25 06:16
mjg59_Yeah, ironically for this channel this actually ties into secure bootJul 25 06:16
mateythe rat is easy enough to rmoveJul 25 06:17
mjg59_Hacking Team were selling implants for compromising journalists to repressive governments that would have been blocked by secure bootJul 25 06:17
mateybut you need to be computer literate to know how to do thisJul 25 06:17
mateysecure boot was turned into something that hurts consumers more than it helps themJul 25 06:17
mateyit may have the potential to do the oppositeJul 25 06:18
mateybut its like regulatory captureJul 25 06:18
mateyits technology captureJul 25 06:18
mjg59_There's room to argue on that point, but yeah my position now is maybe not what it was a month agoJul 25 06:18
mateyits reasonable if your position changes as it becomes more refinedJul 25 06:18
mateyotherwise we would still be doing biology at the socratic levelJul 25 06:19
mateywhich doesnt sound greatJul 25 06:19
mateyand thats what your phd is in?Jul 25 06:19
mateyso there wouldnt be a phd in thatJul 25 06:19
mjg59_Huh I would note that includes sworn testimony about the name involved in the lovecruft caseJul 25 06:22
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mateyHuh I would note  <- why would you note that thoughJul 25 06:23
mjg59_phanes: Weird that you'd actually have cited a page asserting in sworn testimony what someone's name is and then deny that you have evidence of it?Jul 25 06:23
mateyhow does that fit inJul 25 06:23
DaemonFCJust turn it off.Jul 25 06:23
DaemonFCThere are too many bugs in the UEFI firmware to ever secure it properly.Jul 25 06:23
mateyi suspect phanes is being honest and cares about accuracy, despite some anomoliesJul 25 06:23
DaemonFCEven if you install those updates from Lenovo, which trash Bitlocker because of the stupid TPM, you're not secure.Jul 25 06:23
mjg59_Ugh Linux contains security bugs does that mean we just stop improving security in LinuxJul 25 06:24
phanesmjg59_, that would be weird if it weren't a projection of a false paradigm instead of a factual accountingJul 25 06:24
DaemonFCThere will just be another round next month, and eventually Lenovo will not support you anymore even if you can install the updates.Jul 25 06:24
DaemonFCmjg59_Ugh Linux contains security bugs does that mean we just stop improving security in LinuxJul 25 06:24
mjg59_phanes: Is your argument that a court filing contained liesJul 25 06:24
DaemonFCWell, given that I can install the updates for the Linux kernel and there's no drop dead date on "support", that's doable.Jul 25 06:24
DaemonFCI can install those. It makes no sense not to.Jul 25 06:24
phanesmjg59_, no my argument is that you have no credibility on this given your argument approachJul 25 06:24
mjg59_phanes: You asked for evidence of a legal name, and you posted that evidence yourselfJul 25 06:25
DaemonFCPlus, UEFI updates generally need Windows to be installed.Jul 25 06:25
DaemonFCWhich I don't have.Jul 25 06:25
mateymjg are you an atheist? im agnostic for the most partJul 25 06:25
mateythis isnt highly relevant, but it might be in a small wayJul 25 06:25
mjg59_matey: Broadly atheist, but not dogmatically soJul 25 06:25
mateyscience and religion can fuck, but im not sure how well they can cohabitateJul 25 06:26
mjg59_matey: I don't believe that a higher being is required for anything we can observe to be explained, but I also refuse any scenario where I have to believe something absolutelyJul 25 06:26
matey <mjg59_> matey: I don't believe that a higher being is required <- no, and its funny how thats the point that so many people care about (im not pinning that on you-- if most people-- network effects.)Jul 25 06:26
DaemonFCLife is pointless. You work, you maybe get ahead a little, maybe not. Many people have kids, many don't. Eventually, you get older, nobody comes around anymore.Jul 25 06:27
DaemonFCThen one day a neighbor notices a funny smell and the police come in and find the cat eating your face.Jul 25 06:27
mjg59_phanes: You have evidence of sworn testimony regarding their legal nameJul 25 06:27
mjg59_phanes: Nobody in the case refutes that claimJul 25 06:27
phanesmjg59_, great, so get what i said you need and come back with that credible approachJul 25 06:27
mjg59_phanes: That seems like evidence?Jul 25 06:27
mjg59_phanes: Can you describe, precisely, what evidence you need?Jul 25 06:28
phanesi consider this a settled point of contention until that happensJul 25 06:28
mateyi want to know why the constitution isnt authoratative enough on thisJul 25 06:28
DaemonFCPeople believe in "higher powers" because they'd go nuts having to stop and think about what a waste the struggle is otherwise.Jul 25 06:28
mateybut if i have to waitJul 25 06:28
mateythats fine tooJul 25 06:28
mateythe premise of the legal name is based on the misconception that the only valid process for legal name change is a formJul 25 06:29
mateyhowever, i thought based on experience with other states that there were other waysJul 25 06:29
mateyi looked into thoseJul 25 06:29
DaemonFCAll of this computer shit is hell.Jul 25 06:29
phanesmjg59_, sorry i missed your last question:  as previously explained to you, some artifact of a legal change of name would be enoughJul 25 06:30
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mateyand found that its basically settled that this isnt merely a process available in some statesJul 25 06:30
mjg59_phanes: You have a court filing that asserts that it's their legal nameJul 25 06:30
DaemonFCPeople had freedom when it wasn't surrounding them, spying on them, ruining their lives in ways they couldn't even fathom.Jul 25 06:30
mateyits a right guaranteed to all citizens by the constitutionJul 25 06:30
mjg59_phanes: Given that the court accepted that, it seems like evidenceJul 25 06:30
phanesmjg59_, well, bub, you hold onto that.Jul 25 06:30
DaemonFCStephen Fry recommending Grindr about made me fall out of my chair.Jul 25 06:30
mjg59_phanes: Yeah you refusing to use the correct name at this point seems ideologicalJul 25 06:30
DaemonFCI just lost all respect then and there.Jul 25 06:31
mateynone of which i knew before today mind youJul 25 06:31
mjg59_phanes: What would you need to change your opinion here?Jul 25 06:31
phanesmjg59_, no i just provided criteria you refuse to meet.  I do not bend to you.  Jul 25 06:31
mateybut i am satisfied that their legal name is isis, and the rest is a simple misunderstanding / assumptionJul 25 06:31
DaemonFCEverything I wrote about on my blog regarding Grindr are the ways it's harmful in a country where it's not illegal to be gay.Jul 25 06:31
DaemonFCThe police in some countries use it to hunt down gay men and arrest them.Jul 25 06:32
DaemonFCOr worse.Jul 25 06:32
mateywhat convinced me was my own research into the matterJul 25 06:32
DaemonFCThe police in Illinois just focus 100% of their "Internet Sex Crimes" budget on gay men because they can do that.Jul 25 06:32
mjg59_phanes: You're saying that testimony to a federal court, which is accepted by that court, is not acceptable to you?Jul 25 06:33
DaemonFCThey can't bust people for being gay, but they can put 100% of their money for finding perverts on apps on Grindr.Jul 25 06:33
mateymjg: thats a weak argumentJul 25 06:33
phanesmjg59_, I would settle for a photocopy of a state issued IDJul 25 06:33
matey testimony to a federal court, which is accepted by that court <- the court could be wrongJul 25 06:33
mateyi mean, about many thingsJul 25 06:33
DaemonFCIt's just a quota thing. You can be arrested for saying you'd do drugs that...don't even exist.Jul 25 06:33
mjg59_matey: Eh if the federal government accepts someone's name that seems like the federal government accepts it?Jul 25 06:33
mateyi think theres a loophole here in that maybe the court CANT be wrong, in this instanceJul 25 06:33
mateyonly because by being accepted, its rightJul 25 06:34
mjg59_matey: yeah they could be wrong but so could any branch of the governmentJul 25 06:34
mateyyeahJul 25 06:34
DaemonFCThat's a neat trick.Jul 25 06:34
mateynote this is a quibble, and doesnt change my overall opinion in the slightestJul 25 06:34
mjg59_matey: What if the DMV accepts it and a federal court rejects itJul 25 06:34
mjg59_Would we say the DMV is right?Jul 25 06:34
mateyi was the one that noted how peculiar it was to make the dmv the highest court in the landJul 25 06:34
DaemonFCMaybe for their next performance, they can get you to admit you'd like to speed if you didn't think there'd be any cops with a radar gun and get you on "conspiracy to speed" and issue "I'd like to speed." tickets to fund the government.Jul 25 06:34
mjg59_phanes: Why do you trust California more than the federal government?Jul 25 06:34
mateycalifornia or the fedsJul 25 06:35
mjg59_matey: Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm using your argument against yourJul 25 06:35
mateytough callJul 25 06:35
DaemonFCmjg59_phanes: Why do you trust California more than the federal government?Jul 25 06:35
matey I'm using your argument against you <- which is very silly when we reach the same conclusion about their name and its statusJul 25 06:35
DaemonFCI like how Gavin Nuisance said Texas's civil lawsuit thing with abortions is illegal.Jul 25 06:35
DaemonFCSo they did the same thing there regarding guns.Jul 25 06:35
DaemonFCFucking stupid DemocratsJul 25 06:36
mateybut then i WAS quibbling about something (unimportant)Jul 25 06:36
DaemonFCWhy WOULD you trust California?Jul 25 06:36
mateythis isnt a chess game for me, its a high school civics classJul 25 06:36
mjg59_matey: My argument here is just that if the federal government accepts a name in a legal filing then it should take a strong counterargument that that's not a legal nameJul 25 06:36
mateyand im one of the studentsJul 25 06:37
DaemonFCThey're losing a Chicago's worth of people every 30 years or so at this rate, and there's no reason to think it would decelerate.Jul 25 06:37
DaemonFCIt will likely speed up as the bullshit that Gavin Newsom is signing now takes effect.Jul 25 06:37
mateymy argument is the same but the counterpoint you refer to is even strongerJul 25 06:37
mateyits not just a law, its a constitutional right that establishes (either de facto or de jure) that isis is their legal nameJul 25 06:37
DaemonFCThe Democrats don't seem to have a big problem with losing elections and handing everything over to the Republicans.Jul 25 06:38
DaemonFCNancy got her "strong Republican Party", on the Supreme Court.Jul 25 06:38
mateyand its not even a right they "made for trans people" Jul 25 06:38
mateyit applies the same way to cis evenJul 25 06:38
mjg59_phanes: Why do you believe that a federal court would make use of someone's assertion regarding their legal name without it being their legal name?Jul 25 06:38
DaemonFCThe Democrats get in they make life worse than it's ever been before.Jul 25 06:38
DaemonFCThey remind everyone that nobody in government will help them.Jul 25 06:39
phanesmjg59_, the window I made to consider your concern is now closed.Jul 25 06:39
DaemonFCThen the Republicans wipe them out and change all of the election laws so they never lose power again.Jul 25 06:39
mateyphanes could go to a federal court, use the name englebert slapdybatch (im actually paraphrasing a trans comedian who was talking about a cis british musician) and make that "his legal name"Jul 25 06:39
mateythats my pointJul 25 06:39
DaemonFCAnd that's what's going to happen at the federal level now. They're all changing their laws so they can't lose those votes again.Jul 25 06:39
DaemonFCThey have an actual plan this time for stealing the election.Jul 25 06:40
DaemonFCThey'll be ready to declare anything they don't like a "failed election" and throw it to the legislatures.Jul 25 06:40
DaemonFCAnd the US Supreme Court will let them do it.Jul 25 06:40
mjg59_phanes: Gosh you're clearly prioritising truthJul 25 06:40
mateyin new hampshire theres a boatload of "freemans" doing this as a sort of stunt / gesture / activism / somethingJul 25 06:40
phanesmjg59_, indeed i am, using the best tools for the job.Jul 25 06:41
mjg59_phanes: You reject a court filing that describes someone's legal name?Jul 25 06:41
mjg59_phanes: One that is accepted by a federal court?Jul 25 06:42
matey/me thinks this is easier to solve if we throw out the authorities entirelyJul 25 06:42
mateynot just out of preference-- this is a technical issueJul 25 06:42
mjg59_matey: Removing the entire concept of legal name would be a benefit, yesJul 25 06:42
phanesmjg59_, anyone can send any of those artifacts I said you'd need to when requesting updatesJul 25 06:42
mateynot what i meant, but fair interpretationJul 25 06:42
mateyit counts at leastJul 25 06:42
mjg59_phanes: is a filing in federal court describing someone's legal nameJul 25 06:43
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mjg59_phanes: Do you reject that filing?Jul 25 06:43
phanesnot rehashing it, ive addressed this, you're just moving in circles now like it wasn't addressedJul 25 06:43
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mateymjg: have you ever done meditation?Jul 25 06:44
mjg59_phanes: You're saying that a sworn statement to a federal court is not evidence?Jul 25 06:44
mateymost people get it wrong the first time, precisely because theyre hung up on "doing it right"Jul 25 06:44
mjg59_matey: I have!Jul 25 06:44
mateywhat method do you useJul 25 06:45
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mjg59_matey: Self-directed, I'm not great on the terminology hereJul 25 06:45
mateyno worriesJul 25 06:46
phaneswow this john gilmore thing is shockingJul 25 06:46
mateyhave you ever tried it in the middle of an online debate?Jul 25 06:46
phaneswhat happened with john gilmore?Jul 25 06:46
matey/me is interested in the john gilmmore thingJul 25 06:46
mjg59_Mostly focusing on myself, identifying the external things that are distracting me, excluding those from my consciousness, just being in myselfJul 25 06:46
mateyid have to look it up. sometimes you can even start at techrightsJul 25 06:47
mateyits an encyclopedia, no matter what you think of itJul 25 06:47
mjg59_matey: He invites people to his house in SF for parties and then gives them LSD without telling themJul 25 06:47
mateyjust being in myself <- have you ever tried it in the middle of an online debate?Jul 25 06:47
mjg59_(I don't have external citations for this, I just have several people who told me of their experiences)Jul 25 06:47
mjg59_matey: Yeah I don't always succeed, but I do try if I'm aware that I'm responding without appropriate considerationJul 25 06:48
phanesFor anyone reading, please do NOT try LSD in the middle of an online debate.Jul 25 06:48
mateyif you put the debate away from your consciousness for a moment, its not like flagging the issue as unimportant or wontfixJul 25 06:49
phanesJust in case any wires get crossed there.Jul 25 06:49
mjg59_matey: AgreeJul 25 06:49
mateyits more like saving it as a file, rebooting the machine and then opening it, with a clearerJul 25 06:49
mateysomethingJul 25 06:49
mateyor switching to single user mode and then coming back etcJul 25 06:50
mjg59_matey: Don't know if you've watched Halt and Catch Fire? There's aspects of a lead character's behaviour in season 4 that align with thisJul 25 06:50
mateyive never seen itJul 25 06:50
phanesSo what happened with Will Scott?Jul 25 06:50
mjg59_It's actullay very goodJul 25 06:50
phanesat the EFFJul 25 06:50
matey/me is no fan of the effJul 25 06:50
mateyi think mjg is still there :) on the board at leastJul 25 06:50
mjg59_matey: Never been on the EFF boardJul 25 06:50
mateyobviously thinking of someone elseJul 25 06:51
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mjg59_I gave a talk there in 2015, won their 2019 trivia contest, came second in their 2022 trivial contestJul 25 06:51
mateyah, i bet i was thinking of kuhnJul 25 06:51
mateyI gave a talk there in 2015 <- its not that, i was mixing you up with kuhnJul 25 06:51
mateyits funny but you dont remind me of him that muchJul 25 06:51
mateyits just the occupational proximityJul 25 06:52
phanesmjg59_, any comment on john gilmore and will scott?Jul 25 06:52
mjg59_phanes: Literally no clue what you're talking aboutJul 25 06:52
matey/me looks up the gilmore scott thing againJul 25 06:52
mateyi read about it this year, probably past few monthsJul 25 06:52
mjg59_I think John Gilmore's a piece of shit for various reasons, but I don't think I've said anything about that publicly?Jul 25 06:53
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mateyi tried contacting gilmore but no real surprise he didnt get backJul 25 06:53
mjg59_No idea who Will Scott is offhandJul 25 06:53
mateyfor various reasons <- and youd care to shareJul 25 06:53
mjg59_matey: I mentioned aboveJul 25 06:53
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phanes"""In October 2017, Lovecruft accused computer pioneer and cofounder of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, John Gilmore, of hiring a thug to assault Lovecruft and drag them into the street. (Todd Decl. ¶36 & Ex. L.) At the same time, Lovecruft accused Gilmore of conspiring with this thug to store illegal substances in Gilmore’s house. (Todd Decl. ¶36 & Ex. L.) Notably, Lovecruft made these accusations shortly after Gilmore questioned thJul 25 06:55
phaneseir rape allegations against Appelbaum."""Jul 25 06:55
matey <phanes> For anyone reading, please do NOT try LSD in the middle of an online debate. <- wouldnt dream of it, pink lizard frisbee.Jul 25 06:55
mjg59_phanes: I feel like we've just established that you don't believe things merely because they're in a legal filing?Jul 25 06:56
phanesmjg59_, so you deny that she made this accusation?Jul 25 06:56
mateymatey: He invites people to his house in SF for parties and then gives them LSD without telling them <- somehow i missed thisJul 25 06:56
mjg59_phanes: Please stop misgendering peopleJul 25 06:56
phaness/she/they/Jul 25 06:56
mjg59_phanes: They also asserted what their legal name wasJul 25 06:57
mjg59_phanes: Why do you place more value in one assertion more than the other?Jul 25 06:57
phanesThat wasn't my question, what my question is whether or not your fiance made that accusation of John Gilmore.Jul 25 06:58
mateymjg: i find it trickier to get the hang of properly gendering non-binary individuals than mtf or ftm, which is pretty easy Jul 25 06:58
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mjg59_matey: It is work, I don't blame people for getting it wrongJul 25 06:58
phanesonly when it suits youJul 25 06:58
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mateyincluding with non-binary individuals i greatly admire, would HATE to offend, and even care about emotionallyJul 25 06:58
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mjg59_phanes: I asked a question first hereJul 25 06:59
mjg59_phanes: Do you believe that things in a legal filing are true?Jul 25 06:59
mateyon top of this, im a HUGE fan of singular they (not only for referencing gender, but just as a grammattical tool before trans rights were even-- remember hrc?)Jul 25 06:59
phanesyeah, your questions are disruptive distractions Jul 25 06:59
mateynot clinton, the half-arsed lgb-whatever orgJul 25 06:59
phanesthese are meat of the issue concernsJul 25 06:59
matey/me has always supported pflag over hrc, because the latter suckJul 25 07:00
mjg59_phanes: Basically: If you believe that this filing represents an accusation, you also believe that a filing represented a legal nameJul 25 07:00
phanesmjg59_, nahJul 25 07:00
mjg59_Ok, so you don't believe that things in a legal filing are trueJul 25 07:00
phanesi'll go ahead and assume that your fiance did in fact accuse John Gilmore of that and more onJul 25 07:00
mateyi dont know if hrc is actually a terf org, i assume its where the terfs go to feel organisedJul 25 07:00
mjg59_phanes: But you won't assume that they actually represented their legal name?Jul 25 07:01
phanesmjg59_, nope sure wontJul 25 07:01
mjg59_Ok coolJul 25 07:01
mjg59_I think we've established that you're very in on deadnaming someoneJul 25 07:01
phanesnah we've established that you will say that a thousand times to try to convince people of that despite being given a clear way to clear it upJul 25 07:01
mjg59_In that literally nobody here is willing to defend your deadnamingJul 25 07:01
mateythis is like tapping a tech support call with a major providerJul 25 07:01
*phanes shrugsJul 25 07:02
mateyits just going in this awful scriptJul 25 07:02
mjg59_phanes: Hey look seriously I am genuine in saying that this undermines the argument you're makingJul 25 07:02
mateyin this instance mjg, i agree with (the important part) of your position, and your right to pursue this like youre doingJul 25 07:03
mjg59_The people who are largely aligned with me are the ones who are most likely to ignore you because of deadnamingJul 25 07:03
mateybut i cant feel like youve failed to learn from countless years of your homelands historyJul 25 07:03
phanesso the john gilmore accusation is assumed to have taken place; what about this Will Scott thing?Jul 25 07:03
mateyhelp feel like ^Jul 25 07:03
matey <mjg59_> The people who are largely aligned with me are the ones who are most likely to ignore you because of deadnaming <- thats immaterial, hes not trying to impress themJul 25 07:04
mjg59_matey: If I end up undermining myself because I'm defending my partner's identity I'm ok with thatJul 25 07:04
phanesyeah politicking on this is only serving my interests, mattJul 25 07:04
mateyyoure trying to corner him into a series of gotchasJul 25 07:04
mjg59_matey: Ugh seriously I'm not realpolitiking thisJul 25 07:04
matey because I'm defending my partner's identity I'm ok with that <- i think youre in the right to pursue defending their preferred name/genderJul 25 07:04
mateyi dont even think you have to do it the way i think would be better (whatever that is)Jul 25 07:05
mjg59_matey: I earnestly care about not having my partner deal with unnecssary bullshitJul 25 07:05
mateyand im not assuming that theres a way for either of you to reach each otherJul 25 07:05
mateyand i dont think we are all friends or any crap like thatJul 25 07:05
phanesmjg59_, Will Scott: """On December 26, 2016, Lovecruft accused third party Will Scott of gang rape""" <-- can you validate this claimJul 25 07:05
mjg59_phanes: I can say nothing about that at allJul 25 07:06
phanesmjg59_, can or won't?Jul 25 07:06
mjg59_I'm familiar with what's in court filings, I know nothing beyond thatJul 25 07:06
phanesbut this occured while you were engaged, did it not?Jul 25 07:06
mjg59_No?Jul 25 07:06
phanesyou didn't know your fiance was accusing a colleague of gang rape and another of hiring a thug to assault them?Jul 25 07:07
mateythis channel needs a damned marker boardJul 25 07:07
mjg59_2016 < 2020Jul 25 07:07
phanesread that twice ^Jul 25 07:07
mjg59_I am unaware of the claims you're describingJul 25 07:08
phanesoh so you were not engaged until 2020?  Jul 25 07:08
mjg59_Yeah I think there's evidence of thatJul 25 07:08
phaneswhen did the romance start?  I know you met in 2015ish but people don't usually just be distance friends and then suddenly get engaged. Jul 25 07:09
mjg59_kJul 25 07:10
phanesi think the safe assumption is that you know about these events and are lying to cover for your fiance and create plausible deniability in case the usual pattern of events with me runs its course.Jul 25 07:11
mjg59_You can definitely assert that I'm lyingJul 25 07:11
phanesi do and haveJul 25 07:11
mjg59_You accept that if you falsely assert that I'm lying and that people have a worse opinion of me as a result, that that's defamation, right?Jul 25 07:12
mateynoJul 25 07:12
mateyhe thinks youre lyingJul 25 07:12
mateythats not defamationJul 25 07:12
mateyhe states that he thinks youre lyingJul 25 07:12
mateythats not defamation eitherJul 25 07:12
mjg59_matey: Oh there's a distinction between "I think you're lying" and "You're lyingJul 25 07:13
mateyeveryone in the world is a liarJul 25 07:13
mateyLIFE OVERJul 25 07:13
mateynopeJul 25 07:13
mjg59_matey: It depends on the specific contextJul 25 07:13
mateyokayJul 25 07:13
mateythen nopeJul 25 07:13
mateybut i suppose if he wrote a whole book called mjg is a liar Jul 25 07:13
mjg59_Yeah it depends on whether the claim is negligent or maliciousJul 25 07:13
mateyand it uses your whole name, and he goes into various details and works out "proof" that is in fact falseJul 25 07:13
mateyetc etc etcJul 25 07:13
mateyi mean Jul 25 07:14
mjg59_A whole book would be evidence of maliceJul 25 07:14
mjg59_A single claim would be negligence, plausiblyJul 25 07:14
mjg59_But this is a case where he's been given the truthJul 25 07:14
phanessounds like some of those legal theories yall socialized during freenodeJul 25 07:14
mjg59_So continuing to assert otherwise isn't negligenceJul 25 07:14
mateyfreenode was a clusterfuckJul 25 07:14
phanesmatey, yeah it really was lolJul 25 07:14
phanesmatey, rock and a hard place on that one manJul 25 07:15
mjg59_But hey I'm not a lawyer or a judge, I can't tell you what to doJul 25 07:15
mateycontinuing to assert otherwise isn't negligence <- so once youve told him a few times if he still doesnt agree now its malice?Jul 25 07:15
mateyi doubt it. no new information has been createdJul 25 07:15
mateyhe has no additional reasons to agree with you or believe youJul 25 07:15
phanesjust because youre not typing in all caps doesn't mean youre not madJul 25 07:15
mateyi mean, this isnt how it works or everyone is fuckedJul 25 07:15
mjg59_matey: It'd probably get past an Anti-SLAPP staute, whether it'd convince a jury is another matterJul 25 07:16
*phanes checks the mail every dayJul 25 07:16
mateyjust the fact that you go from him disagreeing with you on a single point to the courtroom is... Jul 25 07:16
mjg59_matey: Oh urgh yeah I understand that perceptionJul 25 07:17
phanesbear in mind this is coming from the guy who thinks "identity theft" and "satire" are the same thing Jul 25 07:17
mateyi mean even in the though processJul 25 07:17
mateythoguhtJul 25 07:17
mateyfuck typing, im getting a dotJul 25 07:17
phaneswe're not dealing with reasonable, we're dealing with calmJul 25 07:17
mjg59_matey: He's accused me of defamation, so I end up viewing his claims in that lensJul 25 07:17
mateythats reasonable in a wayJul 25 07:17
mateyi would quibble over the scopeJul 25 07:18
mjg59_matey: I'm not actually threatening to sue, I'm just trying to point out that (from a legal perspective) he's potentially behaving in the way he accuses me of behavingJul 25 07:18
mateyi think its hard to see the tso stuff as anything other than defamationJul 25 07:18
matey he's potentially behaving in the way he accuses me of behaving <- /me nodsJul 25 07:19
mjg59_matey: Hrm. I tried very hard in that post to draw a line from evidence to my conclusion.Jul 25 07:19
phanesi think its hard to see these facts all up next to each other as anything but a continued pattern of defamation of many people over many years, and strong social links to people who do the sameJul 25 07:19
mjg59_matey: I would really appreciate earnest disagreement with that pathJul 25 07:19
matey. I tried very hard in that post to draw a line <- while i believe that statementJul 25 07:19
phanesand ive got to be honest, the more i learn the more obvious it getsJul 25 07:19
mateyi looked very hard for the lineJul 25 07:19
mateyand i believe you tried very hard in that post to draw that lineJul 25 07:19
matey <phanes> i think its hard to see these facts all up next to each other as anything but a continued pattern of defamation of many people over many years <- have a countertheoryJul 25 07:20
mateyi do that isJul 25 07:20
phanesits not confirmation biasJul 25 07:20
mateyno its not about you at allJul 25 07:20
mateydo you know that well over a decade ago, i was starting to turn into a textbook sjw?Jul 25 07:21
mateyno, but thats rhetoricalJul 25 07:22
mateyi got over it (At leaat i think so)Jul 25 07:22
mateybecause it was pointless Jul 25 07:22
mateyand it really went against too many things that were important to meJul 25 07:22
mateybut we had this movement, you knoJul 25 07:23
mateyand it seemed pretty good, free software was going wellJul 25 07:23
mjg59_matey: My basic argument is that you can't argue that people who describe a situation in which what happened to them met the legal definition of rape weren't rapedJul 25 07:23
mateybut there were a few racist cunts around thatJul 25 07:23
mateywell, i got similar idea that the sjws have hadJul 25 07:23
mateywe have all this freedomJul 25 07:24
mateywhy cant we do something about THISJul 25 07:24
mateyand of course by THIS i mean some people are cuntsJul 25 07:24
mateyjust kind of nasty peopleJul 25 07:24
mjg59_matey: And if you are going to argue that things that met the legal definition of rape weren't actually rape, then yeah, you're a rape apologistJul 25 07:24
mateyanyway, i never suggested a code of conductJul 25 07:24
phanesIndeed, if he had been truthfully accounting for the events while saying these things, there would be appropriate anger in his audience.Jul 25 07:25
mateythe closest thing to it was jono bacons prototype and even then i thought that was bullshitJul 25 07:25
matey#openrespectJul 25 07:25
matey#suckoffcanonicalJul 25 07:25
mateybut i was likeJul 25 07:26
mateywhy cant we just tell these people to stop being racist or gtfoJul 25 07:26
mateyand you canJul 25 07:26
mateyyou totally canJul 25 07:26
mateyif a project doesnt want people-- a project can get rid of peopleJul 25 07:26
mateytheres a little more to it, details wiseJul 25 07:26
phaneswhich is fineJul 25 07:27
mateyits not entirely technical / legal theres all kinds of relevant politicsJul 25 07:27
mateybutJul 25 07:27
mateytheres a fucking hazard tooJul 25 07:27
mateyand the hazard isJul 25 07:27
phanesuntil project members start calling people racist to change the project roster for their project Jul 25 07:27
mateywell, like with mccarthyJul 25 07:27
mateyyeah that tooJul 25 07:27
mateymy really excellent idea assumed honest people would be in charge :)Jul 25 07:27
mateyand really if id had any idea what the fuck i was even proposing-- mostly to myself, you knowJul 25 07:28
mateyi would have realised that this was a stupid idea that looked like a reasonable ideaJul 25 07:28
phanesits an easy trap to fall into for the well intended Jul 25 07:28
mateybeacuse many of the premises were inherently reasonableJul 25 07:28
mateyand many of the details were absolute monkey shitJul 25 07:28
mjg59_matey: So seriously, I would genuinely like to understand the disagreement about my description of Ted's behaviourJul 25 07:28
mateyi actually figured this out on my ownJul 25 07:28
mateybut first!Jul 25 07:28
phanesmisrepresenting his entire position would be a startJul 25 07:29
mateyi took a LONG DETOUR from the place i thought was "apathetic" and went on to give a shit about other projectsJul 25 07:29
phaneswhich you didnt seem to do as much in the mailing list as in your blog postJul 25 07:29
phanesbut i haven't broken the t'so issue down as far as id like, lots of email responses im waiting on and lots of reading to doJul 25 07:29
mateyTHERE IS a point i was going to make, if i managed to get to itJul 25 07:30
mateyand its thisJul 25 07:30
mateyi basically wanted thought policingJul 25 07:30
mateynot directlyJul 25 07:30
mateynot even as a LAW or RULE or POLICYJul 25 07:30
mateynot a cocJul 25 07:30
mateyjust sort ofJul 25 07:30
mateyi wanted people to take time out to do casual thought policingJul 25 07:30
phanesyou wanted a culture shiftJul 25 07:30
mateyso people would stop being racistJul 25 07:30
mateyYEAH!Jul 25 07:31
mateyand i still think thats sort of reasonableJul 25 07:31
mateybut the way i wanted to do itJul 25 07:31
matey1. wouldnt work 2. side effects 3. destroy everythingJul 25 07:31
mateyso its like curing the hiccups by shooting yourselfJul 25 07:31
mateyit works...Jul 25 07:31
mateybut thats hardly the pointJul 25 07:31
mateytheres nothing wrong with curing hiccupsJul 25 07:32
mateyi dont like them personallyJul 25 07:32
mateyi dont agree with scott adams that negativity was the problemJul 25 07:32
mateya fucking dumb solution was the problemJul 25 07:32
mateyi still dont like racist cuntsJul 25 07:32
mateybut i dislike the thought police because they destroy everythingJul 25 07:33
mateythe point wasJul 25 07:33
mjg59_matey: I feel like there's a situation here that's actually analagous to between me and my partnerJul 25 07:33
mateyyou can get to wanting to thought police-- without wanting to destroy everythingJul 25 07:33
mateysure-- if youre ibm, you probably want to destroy free softwareJul 25 07:34
mateyi BELIEVE there is plenty of evidence of that shitJul 25 07:34
mjg59_They're an anarchist, I lean towards socialism, so we broadly agree on an end goal but we disagree with the mechanism and the holder of the power in getting thereJul 25 07:34
mateyso im not saying "everybody is innocent" AT ALLJul 25 07:34
mateyim not saying "LETS TAKE PEOPLES WORDS FOR IT!" eitherJul 25 07:34
mateyive said over and over and over that narcissists and pc bullshit have destroyed the movementJul 25 07:35
phanesI'm not sure about that, I hear "socialism" and "anarchy" and my brain pictures piles of dead bodies that cover up distance mountains on the horizon.Jul 25 07:35
phanesdistant*Jul 25 07:35
mateybut thats the group. the mob. the big problemJul 25 07:35
mateyif youre dealing with one individual, they dont necessarily think "how i can destroy all this"Jul 25 07:35
mateythats not (always) their m.o.Jul 25 07:36
mateythis matters to me, as i think understanding WTF happened is key to the futureJul 25 07:36
phanesmatey, well in the case of a narcissist theyre usually not thinking that far outJul 25 07:36
mateyand getting it wrong will only lead to strategic errorsJul 25 07:36
mjg59_matey: And I don't think we fundamentally disagree about where free software should be, but we disagree about the path to get thereJul 25 07:36
mateybut we disagree about the path to get there <- i used to say that when i was an open source guyJul 25 07:37
phanesgiving the keys of the kingdom to microsoft is where free software should be?Jul 25 07:37
mjg59_matey: Like, should functional communities be top down or be bottom up?Jul 25 07:37
mateyits the right idea in the form of the wrong questionJul 25 07:37
matey 25 07:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Why GNU Is Better Staying Top-Down, Even If Free Software Isn’t | TechrightsJul 25 07:37
mateythat article isnt really important at all nowJul 25 07:38
mateyits just a reference pointJul 25 07:38
matey <mjg59_> matey: Like, should functional communities be top down or be bottom up? <- bottom upJul 25 07:38
mateyjust not the way you think (and that matters)Jul 25 07:38
mjg59_matey: Yeah I think there's room to talk thereJul 25 07:39
mjg59_I have opinions. They may be wrong!Jul 25 07:39
mateythis is a VERY fundamental problem between left wing factionsJul 25 07:39
mjg59_Haha yupJul 25 07:39
mateyfundamental because without getting it right, everything gets fubaredJul 25 07:39
mjg59_Being on the left means that there's a lot of very subtle ways to disagreeJul 25 07:39
matey<mjg59_> I have opinions. They may be wrong! <- this was pre github purchase and i wouldnt watch it todayJul 25 07:39
mateybut did you ever watch red vs blueJul 25 07:40
mjg59_The Half Life based thing?Jul 25 07:40
mateyi think soJul 25 07:40
mateyi thought it was haloJul 25 07:40
mjg59_I know "But that's illegal!" and that's about itJul 25 07:40
mjg59_Oh yeah HaloJul 25 07:40
mjg59_I'm sorry, I'm oldJul 25 07:40
mateyim older than youJul 25 07:40
mateybut close enoughJul 25 07:40
mjg59_I'm old enough that I rarely hit that, which I think means I'm oldJul 25 07:41
matey40s, 40s, same differencesJul 25 07:41
mateyI'm old enough that I rarely hit that <- i have no idea what this means, but its funnyJul 25 07:41
mjg59_matey: I don't often end up talking to people with opinions on free software who are older than me!Jul 25 07:42
mateyoh i got itJul 25 07:42
mjg59_But I guess it could be about sex, in which case no commentJul 25 07:42
mateyno no Jul 25 07:42
mjg59_Roy would be upsetJul 25 07:42
mateyi was sure you didnt mean thatJul 25 07:42
mateyroy is honestly a prude. literally.Jul 25 07:43
mateyhe will say hes notJul 25 07:43
mjg59_Roy is very straightedgeJul 25 07:43
mateybut i was certain you didnt mean it that wayJul 25 07:43
mateyso i was looking at it and thinkingJul 25 07:43
mateyit was funnyJul 25 07:43
mjg59_A lot of my comedy is inadvertantJul 25 07:43
mateysort of like the hungarian phrasebook in reverseJul 25 07:43
mateyor even forwardJul 25 07:44
mateyanywayJul 25 07:44
mjg59_matey: But seriously, I would be interested in your perspective of what I wrote about Ted, because I trust you and I also believe I wrote that earnestly (I mean, a decade ago) and I'd like to figure out disparitiesJul 25 07:44
mateyi dont want to give you more credit than you deserve...Jul 25 07:45
mjg59_matey: But also that doesn't need to be nowJul 25 07:45
mateyfor your sake, but also because i think accuracy REALLY helpsJul 25 07:45
mjg59_It's late and happy to do that some other time, but want to say I'm happy to discuss itJul 25 07:45
mateyi mean i think you helped destroy the career of a good person, probablyJul 25 07:45
mateyim NOT sure any of it was malicious, but there are lots of reasons i could be wrongJul 25 07:46
mateyim stating where i am with that NowJul 25 07:46
mateyid be perfectly happy to say goddammnit you piece of shitJul 25 07:46
mateybut right now...Jul 25 07:46
mateytechnical metaphorJul 25 07:46
mjg59_I understand your positionJul 25 07:46
mateysimplest one i can think of Jul 25 07:46
mateysuppose you have a serverJul 25 07:47
mjg59_I haven't seen any evidence I actually caused damageJul 25 07:47
mateyand its being... its not working Jul 25 07:47
mateybutterfly flaps his wings in asia, wildfire starts in california.Jul 25 07:47
mjg59_But I also think speaking what we believe to be the truth should be countered with other perceiptions of the truthJul 25 07:47
mateybut this aint a butterfly and its not in asia.Jul 25 07:47
mateywith other perceiptions of the truth <- i agreeJul 25 07:47
mateyotherwise youre just the popeJul 25 07:48
mateythough there are other models which are as unfortunateJul 25 07:48
mateylike a mobJul 25 07:48
mateyi guess single lesson advice timeJul 25 07:48
mateyif you lead anything in the futureJul 25 07:49
mateyanything at allJul 25 07:49
mateyretire from leading mobsJul 25 07:49
mateylet someone else lead the mobJul 25 07:49
mateythis is tongue in cheek because i dont think youre THE leader and you dont eitherJul 25 07:49
phanespig in a pope hat?Jul 25 07:49
mjg59_I understand the argument that I have enough influence that some people will accept what I say without critical analysisJul 25 07:49
mateypope in a pig hatJul 25 07:49
mjg59_And I'd love to know how I can express my opinion in a way that doesn't result in that, but instead results in critical analysis of what I sayJul 25 07:50
mjg59_I don't want people to agree with me because of meJul 25 07:50
matey And I'd love to know how I can express my opinion in a way <- okJul 25 07:50
mateyno i havent got it yetJul 25 07:50
mjg59_And I will definitely take advice thereJul 25 07:51
mateyi was thinking of dijkstra :)Jul 25 07:51
mateyhe destroyed goto!Jul 25 07:51
mateybut its still hereJul 25 07:51
phanespeople who attract ideologues tend to be surrounded by ideologues, have to change what you attract, and to do that you have to change who you are and what you representJul 25 07:51
mateyreally, dijkstra was the ORIGINAL tech industry cancellerJul 25 07:51
mateyand it was an accident.Jul 25 07:51
mateyhe CANCELLED GOTOJul 25 07:52
mateyand its fine to "cancel" bad tech-- like the pinto!Jul 25 07:52
mateyterrible designJul 25 07:52
mateyshould NEVER BE BUILT AGAINJul 25 07:52
mateybut goto isnt really like thatJul 25 07:52
phanesi wouldn't drive a pinto lolJul 25 07:52
mateybut dijkstra, while never intended to destroy goto so savagelyJul 25 07:53
mateydid anyway, because the people who took him seriously (about goto) were not as smart as he wasJul 25 07:53
mateyand because wirth wrote that damned title for the article (which dijkstra didnt)Jul 25 07:53
mateyand now goto is much maligned for things that dont even matter and arent even true.Jul 25 07:53
mateypeople are now superstitious about goto (which also goes by jmp) instead of educated about itJul 25 07:54
mateyand i feel confident this was never the intentionJul 25 07:54
mateythere were even followups on thisJul 25 07:54
mateyfrom the man himselfJul 25 07:54
mateywe know it was wirth who wrote the titleJul 25 07:54
mateybut, sadly, most people are simply likeJul 25 07:55
matey"dont use goto, its terrible and will RUIN YOU AS A CODER FOREVER"Jul 25 07:55
mateyand no amount of setting the record straight has changed this :)Jul 25 07:55
phaneshonestly it kinda does create flow control issuesJul 25 07:55
mateygoto was cancelledJul 25 07:55
matey honestly it kinda does create flow control issues <- of course it does. you should generally follow dijkstras advice about it, unless youre an incredible masochistJul 25 07:56
mateybut there are workarounds, there are caveats, there are places where it only makes sense where today people treat it like some kind of eldritch incantationJul 25 07:56
mateythat which must never be codedJul 25 07:57
mateyand its bollocksJul 25 07:57
mateythe other thing is, its SUCH an easy concept to teachJul 25 07:57
mateyjmpJul 25 07:57
mateyone move. Jul 25 07:57
mateyi learned to code when i was FIVE manJul 25 07:57
mateyfrom a bookJul 25 07:57
mateygoto i could handleJul 25 07:57
mateydo loop... huh?Jul 25 07:58
mateyim five!Jul 25 07:58
mateywhy do youJul 25 07:58
mateyi only want to move onceJul 25 07:58
mateybut then it goes back!Jul 25 07:58
mateyjust use breakJul 25 07:58
mateynow its THREE commands! why?Jul 25 07:58
mateyjust one!Jul 25 07:58
mateyyou cant explain this shit to a five year old, they know theyre rightJul 25 07:58
mateygoto makes sense, wtf is do loopJul 25 07:58
matey"really you should use gosub"Jul 25 07:58
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mateyi couldnt understand gosub. it was like an alien thing.Jul 25 07:59
mateydef p(): in python makes more sense than gosubJul 25 07:59
mateybut in basic, scoped function syntax is BULLSHITJul 25 07:59
mateyor it was at the timeJul 25 07:59
mateyand why scope! why-- i want-- dammitJul 25 08:00
phaneslolJul 25 08:00
mateyyou cant explain these things to a (now 7) year oldJul 25 08:00
mateyyou can tryJul 25 08:00
mateyi tried! to explain it to meJul 25 08:00
mateyi was just *turns head sideways*Jul 25 08:00
mateyif id known how to say "what the fuck" back then i would haveJul 25 08:01
mateyso goto is a VERY simple ideaJul 25 08:01
mateyand theres a debian / gopher guyJul 25 08:01
mateyjohn goerrrrJul 25 08:01
mateygoerzen?Jul 25 08:01
mateyanyway, i think he defends goto on the same grounds while he teaches his (then) 5 year old the command lineJul 25 08:01
mateyand bash functions dont have scope so theyre fucking gosub anyway!Jul 25 08:01
matey(i LOVE function scope in python. but thats today)Jul 25 08:02
phanesyou can _create_ scope in bashJul 25 08:02
mateytoday people try to learn JS first. thats nutsJul 25 08:02
mateyi would just use different filesJul 25 08:02
mateyi think theres scope then. god i hope soJul 25 08:02
mateyi know environments can be inheritedJul 25 08:02
mateyit sounds scaryJul 25 08:02
mateywhen i start having to think about this stuff in bash (or ksh) i use a real language Jul 25 08:03
phanesthey canJul 25 08:03
phanesits actually harder to ensure a blank env than to inherit the parent envJul 25 08:03
mateyi not hating on the shellJul 25 08:03
phanesthats one of the reasons i created rexJul 25 08:03
mateyits just too much work for me sometimes for some tasksJul 25 08:03
mateyniceJul 25 08:03
phanesi need to compile a whole bunch of stuff for cross-compiling a sysroot that needed a very controlled contextJul 25 08:03
mateytoday it makes more sense to teach python than basicJul 25 08:04
phanes 25 08:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | SURRO-Linux/rex: Rex is a project-based, json-driven execution flow/workflow system designed to place rails around very complex automations in a controlled way that is easy to troubleshoot. - rex - SILO GROUP SCMJul 25 08:04
mateybut basic was easier. and python 2 was closer to basic than python 3.Jul 25 08:04
mateyand no one should ever learn js first :(Jul 25 08:04
mateynot because it will ruin them as codersJul 25 08:04
mateyonly because its cruelJul 25 08:04
phanesi need to rewrite rex from scratch tbhJul 25 08:05
phanesthe code quality imo is terribleJul 25 08:05
phanesespecially in the Sproc implementationJul 25 08:05
phanesits a solid proof of concept i guessJul 25 08:05
phanesgets the job doneJul 25 08:05
phanesbut need to hire some more proficient coders to knock it outJul 25 08:05
mateystallman is the patron saint of chestertons fenceJul 25 08:06
mateyyoud think it would be chestertonJul 25 08:06
phaneslolJul 25 08:06
mateyCompiling Rex is easy. There are zero external dependencies. Build does require cmake.Jul 25 08:07
phanesyepJul 25 08:07
phanesruntime has no dependencies outside of libstdc++ but compile requires cmake and gnu-c++Jul 25 08:07
mateythis sounds very 1776Jul 25 08:07
mateyA name, which is an identifier for the Unit used by people.Jul 25 08:07
mateyi bet reading shit i wrote in a heat wave is better than hearing shit you said when highJul 25 08:08
matey"wtf did i-- what?"Jul 25 08:08
phanesyou gave me a panic attack, i said alot of things in my 20sJul 25 08:08
mateymea culpaJul 25 08:09
phanes20s me was the patron saint of people who should not be listened toJul 25 08:09
mateythat was most people in their 20sJul 25 08:09
mateyand mjg in his 30s Jul 25 08:09
mateyzingJul 25 08:09
phanesjust because i always won the argument, too many people didJul 25 08:09
mateyso my metaphor for mjg is thisJul 25 08:10
mateyin red vs blue, there was a characterJul 25 08:11
mateyhe was actually a bomb, and he had aiJul 25 08:11
mateywhy did he have ai? Jul 25 08:11
mateythere was no reason, except he was built from robot partsJul 25 08:11
mateyso he had aiJul 25 08:11
mateyand his sole purpose was to go off and destroy an enemy shipJul 25 08:12
mateyand he was REALLY REALLY eager to do Jul 25 08:12
mateyitJul 25 08:12
mjg59_I mean, Dark StarJul 25 08:12
mateyand youre probably thinking he went off earlyJul 25 08:12
mateynopeJul 25 08:12
mjg59_We have precedent from the 70sJul 25 08:12
mateyhe actually did exactly what was neededJul 25 08:12
mateywhich isnt part of the metaphor i hasten to addJul 25 08:13
mateybut thats how the story wentJul 25 08:13
mateythe point of the metaphorJul 25 08:13
mateywas he was armed the whole fucking time Jul 25 08:13
mateyand the only thing he was ever interested in doing (and in this instance, capable of doing) wJul 25 08:13
phanesany chance of getting a demonstration with handpuppets in a little theatre stageJul 25 08:13
mateywas going offJul 25 08:13
mateyi mean i can probably find the episode on youtubeJul 25 08:14
mateyhe had conversations with the soldier that built himJul 25 08:14
mateyhe was very sarcastic and kind of tunnyJul 25 08:14
mateyfunnyJul 25 08:14
mateybut basically every situation was likeJul 25 08:14
mateyare we there yet? are we there yet?Jul 25 08:14
mateycan i do it now? can i do it now?Jul 25 08:15
mateyhe can only do it once, but hes very keen on itJul 25 08:15
mateywhen he finally does hes lke OH BOY!!!!! Jul 25 08:15
mateybut hes just ready to jump in thereJul 25 08:16
mateyof course if he had gone off early it would defeated the entire point of the missionJul 25 08:16
mateyand here we areJul 25 08:16
phanesi agree with taht assessmentJul 25 08:17
matey 25 08:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Season 3, Episode 54 - Hello My Name Is Andrew | Red vs. Blue - InvidiousJul 25 08:17
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mateyheheheheJul 25 08:19
phanesah i can't watch thisJul 25 08:19
phanessorryJul 25 08:19
phanesill take your word about thge plotJul 25 08:19
mateyhonestly i feel bad even introducing anyone to itJul 25 08:20
mateyi stopped watching it after the github purchaseJul 25 08:20
mateyMAN i was pissedJul 25 08:20
mateyand that was in 2018Jul 25 08:20
phanesone thing ive gotta say, the plaintiff's legal team in this does a much better job formatting and organizing their content than the defendantJul 25 08:21
phanesyou can feel the skill behind it transcribing itJul 25 08:21
mateyi went through most of the oreilly book on information architecture or something like thatJul 25 08:22
mateyi wish i could say i can apply itJul 25 08:22
mateybob ross and mary popppins in the fly chamberJul 25 08:22
mateythe scene where she makes everything go neatly into its right placeJul 25 08:22
mateyunless i dreamt thatJul 25 08:23
phaneswhen you ingest content like that you don't really get a new skill, you just get subtly better and more organized at how you work with informationJul 25 08:23
mateybob ross happily painting every snippet of data into a place that makes perfect senseJul 25 08:23
phanesits one of those skills that applies to everythingJul 25 08:23
mateyi still dont get stallmans beef with "content"Jul 25 08:24
mateyi hate that page with a passion, though the premise (once again) is perfectly reasonableJul 25 08:24
phanesdata framing is everything to turning data into intelligenceJul 25 08:26
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phanesI really liked JoseJul 25 08:33
schestowitz[TR2]matey: ^_^ Jul 25 08:33
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mateystill seems like a useless model to meJul 25 08:33
mateyyou pay and pay and pay, you stop paying and it disappearsJul 25 08:34
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mateythey least they can do is act as a mirror if you stop paying to be able to modify itJul 25 08:34
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mateywowJul 25 09:38
phanesyeahJul 25 09:38
mateysort of a technical questionJul 25 09:38
mateyyou dont think this will hurt anyone who has hypothetically been defamed by bringing more attention to it?Jul 25 09:39
phanesill try to answer before my sleep meds kick inJul 25 09:39
mateyim sure youve thought of thisJul 25 09:39
phanesno i dontJul 25 09:39
phanesmost of the time people will hide from defamation after they've been smeared, with understandable anxiety of it coming up again, but the public optics are more sharded than they believeJul 25 09:40
mateyand the reason is because of the "whole picture" thread it provides?Jul 25 09:40
phanesyesJul 25 09:40
mateygood guess thenJul 25 09:40
phanesi think in this context, if done competently would provide some level of exoneration of these peopleJul 25 09:40
mateya lot of the most damaging bullshit of course comes from taking things OUT of contextJul 25 09:40
mateyyou realise i assume AT LEAST one or two of these people ARE guiltyJul 25 09:41
phanesyeah i mean, my take in it is that each one of these people and their events need to be investigated just as thoroughly.  if there's any merit to the claim then that needs called out.Jul 25 09:41
mateyi doubt they were all wrongfully defamed. on the other hand it is possibleJul 25 09:41
phanesin which case re-hashing it is also appropriateJul 25 09:41
mateyrightJul 25 09:41
phanesnobody should be cannon fodder and nobody should get out of jail freeJul 25 09:42
phanesnowJul 25 09:42
phanesif someone's turned their life aroundJul 25 09:42
phanesmaybe some kind of omission can be figured outJul 25 09:42
phanesdepending on what it wasJul 25 09:43
mateyof courseJul 25 09:43
phanesthere are a couple avenues of retaliation for themJul 25 09:46
phanesi wont say what those areJul 25 09:46
phanesbut i can say ive predicted them and am ready for themJul 25 09:46
mateydo you know who andrew tate isJul 25 09:47
mateyi dont follow british television for years now (years ago more than now) and i JUST found this guyJul 25 09:47
phanesbarely, kickboxer right?Jul 25 09:47
mateyyeah, i guessJul 25 09:47
mateyarrested / trump support / kickboxer, arrested for beating wife?Jul 25 09:47
mateysomething something internetJul 25 09:48
phanesdidnt hear about any of thisJul 25 09:48
mateyim just-- this is a aquick distraction from youtubeingJul 25 09:48
mateythe main thing i know him from-- also today-- is when he was on ultimate traveller?Jul 25 09:48
mateyand i was just watching his face and OMGJul 25 09:48
mateydouchebag extraordinaireJul 25 09:48
mateylike they need a new word for douchebagJul 25 09:49
mateyi found the news AFTER thatJul 25 09:49
phaneshe's a tater?Jul 25 09:49
mateysorry?Jul 25 09:49
phanesA tater:  One who is like TateJul 25 09:50
mateyhmmJul 25 09:50
mateymight workJul 25 09:50
mateythis is actually tateJul 25 09:50
mateythe guy is tate himselfJul 25 09:50
mateybut if thats the joke, then yes hes like tate tooJul 25 09:50
phanes"the tater archetype"Jul 25 09:50
mateysomeday ill tell you who he reminds me of SO MUCH Jul 25 09:51
mateybut not todayJul 25 09:51
mateyill wait until its relevantJul 25 09:51
mateyits too bad that creepy is a cliche nowJul 25 09:51
mateybecause too many people use to mean "someone whose traits i just dont like"Jul 25 09:52
mateylike unfuckable...Jul 25 09:52
mateybecause its a great word for some people who really deserve itJul 25 09:52
mateybut you know, things get weaponisedJul 25 09:53
mateyand people go on misguided crusadesJul 25 09:53
mateyand people on a legit mission team up with people on bullshit etcJul 25 09:53
mateyand so it goesJul 25 09:53
phanesIs this him? 25 09:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Andrew Tate: Dangerous role model or an internet idol?Jul 25 09:53
mateylegit wars and legit missions have to be rarer, because bullshit is too easy for too manyJul 25 09:54
phanesb/c i heard that guy talk for like 2 minutes before my brain was like "this guy is a bitch"Jul 25 09:54
phanesmassive douchebagJul 25 09:55
phanesand i dont particularly like how he treats womenJul 25 09:55
mjg59_matey: Basically all the assertions that Todd made in that filing were dismissed by the court in response to further filingsJul 25 09:56
mateyon what groundsJul 25 09:57
phanesexcaptJul 25 09:57
phanesthey weren'tJul 25 09:57
phanes*exceptJul 25 09:57
mateyill be happy to hear you both out on thisJul 25 09:57
mateyi doubt ill be completely satisfied any other wayJul 25 09:57
mjg59_matey: covers itJul 25 09:57
mateyi probably wont bother with any pdfsJul 25 09:58
mateythat may seem onesided at firstJul 25 09:58
phanesmatey, long story short, the defense relied entirely on anti-slapp motions to avoid a contest of the material allegations of the case, and then settled out of court in exchange for publishing the statement "i was not raped by peter todd" on the same twitter accountJul 25 09:58
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mjg59_matey: The court concluded that 3 of Todd's claims should be sticken, and that part of his 4th shoudl be strickenJul 25 09:58
mateywhen ao is a little more populatedJul 25 09:59
mateyill be happy to see some stuff on what it may omitJul 25 09:59
mateyin the meantime this is noted of courseJul 25 09:59
phanesbased purely on whether they survive anti-slapp process and not a material contest thoughJul 25 09:59
mateyyeah and you dont like antislapp in this contextJul 25 09:59
mateywhich i getJul 25 10:00
phanesat allJul 25 10:00
mjg59_matey: It's tough to really cut it down into smaller amounts, but the rough version is that a bunch of the original claims weren't actually actionable in terms of defamation, and the assertion that he was a rapist couldn't be considered defamatory because it was based on someone asserting that he'd raped herJul 25 10:00
mateybecause of the lack of material contestJul 25 10:00
phanesthat's pretty close to my understanding of itJul 25 10:00
mateyand the assertion that he was a rapist couldn't be considered defamatory because it was based on someone asserting that he'd raped her <- i dont even know what im supposed to do with that Jul 25 10:00
mateythis isnt aimed at youJul 25 10:00
mateyi wouldnt know what to do with that no matter who said itJul 25 10:00
mjg59_matey: If someone tells you that they were raped by someone, and you repeat that assertion, it's not defamatory for you to do soJul 25 10:01
mateythis isnt something i can process in realtimeJul 25 10:01
phanesunless you orchestrated that confession using your own phonesJul 25 10:01
mateymatey: If someone tells you that they were raped by someone, and you repeat that assertion, it's not defamatory for you to do so <- that certainly seems straightforward enoughJul 25 10:01
mateyalmost every time you make a straightforward assertionJul 25 10:02
mateyphanes makes what seems like a good pointJul 25 10:02
mjg59_matey: And that's what happened here - someone told isis that she'd been raped by Todd, isis referenced that, the court concluded that wasn't defamationJul 25 10:02
mateyand funnily enoughJul 25 10:02
mateyevery time i think phanes has really "got you"Jul 25 10:02
mateyyou make a point tooJul 25 10:02
mateyyoure both good at this-- and at least one of you should be i guessJul 25 10:02
mateyi may simply be unqualified to weigh these pointsJul 25 10:03
mjg59_matey: phanes has read a subset of the docs (as he's previously admitted), I've read all of themJul 25 10:03
mateybut for my own personal edification, ill keep tryingJul 25 10:03
mateyi dont believe its (usually) as simple as you make it out to beJul 25 10:03
mateybut it MIGHT beJul 25 10:03
mateyand either way it might be ALMOSTJul 25 10:03
mjg59_matey: I mean yeah I can't be trusted to present an unbiased opinionJul 25 10:03
mateywho can?Jul 25 10:03
mjg59_matey: But I will always attempt to cite my claims hereJul 25 10:04
mateyyou make claims that appear compellingJul 25 10:04
mjg59_matey: And the judge's opinion isn't super complicatedJul 25 10:04
mateyand may be compelling, or even trueJul 25 10:04
matey matey: And the judge's opinion isn't super complicated <- its easy for you, you knowJul 25 10:04
mateyyoure already sure what happenedJul 25 10:04
mateyonce you take that confidence away, this looks more complicated (which isnt the same as being so)Jul 25 10:04
mateylet me remind youJul 25 10:04
mateythat i REALLY suck at mathJul 25 10:05
mateyand most people i know do quite well with itJul 25 10:05
mjg59_matey: Yeah a lot of this is super into legal bullshitJul 25 10:05
mateyand to me its like an alien languageJul 25 10:05
mjg59_There's a distinction between pro quod and per se defamationJul 25 10:05
mateynot the legal stuffJul 25 10:05
phanesim going to take it a direction that simplifies it a bitJul 25 10:05
mateyits like a weird dialect or tedious xml or a combination of the twoJul 25 10:05
phanesif you look on our scope statement on TAODB it provides the room needed to do soJul 25 10:05
matey <phanes> im going to take it a direction that simplifies it a bit <- that can help or hurtJul 25 10:05
mjg59_SoJul 25 10:05
mateywhat i think will really be interesting is when more people weigh inJul 25 10:06
mjg59_Anti-SLAPP stuff is based on "Could what you said potentially result in someone being found guilty"Jul 25 10:06
mateyi recall you making this pointJul 25 10:06
mjg59_And based on Todd's claims, and the defence, most of his claims could not possibly result in a guilty outcomeJul 25 10:06
mateywhich is fineJul 25 10:06
mateyso to avoid wasting peoples time (and money)Jul 25 10:06
phaneswhat a convenient interpretationJul 25 10:06
mateyim a big fan of antislapp in a corporate context of courseJul 25 10:07
mateyin this sort of context i can see why phanes might hate itJul 25 10:07
mateywith or without good reasonJul 25 10:07
mjg59_There was a remaining claim which was that isis asserted that Todd had assaulted them, and because the factual aspects of that were in dispute, it would have to go to actual court to concludeJul 25 10:07
mateyeither way reallyJul 25 10:07
mateywhat makes it simple for meJul 25 10:07
mateypart of it that may not help much overallJul 25 10:07
mateyis sort of a quick 2x2 truth tableJul 25 10:08
phanesin any case, statements not found to be defamatory but serve the same purpose as definition are in scope at TAODBJul 25 10:08
mjg59_But all of isis's other claims could simply not be considered defamatory in court based on the evidence that Todd presented, including that he was a rapistJul 25 10:08
mateyin one. you have todd is bullshit and isis isntJul 25 10:08
mateyin the other, isis is and todd isntJul 25 10:08
techrights-newsThe Document Foundation Blog: Community Member Monday With Juan C. Sanz • Tux Machines ⇨ 25 10:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Document Foundation Blog: Community Member Monday With Juan C. Sanz | Tux MachinesJul 25 10:08
mateythen you imagine a defamation lawsuit for eachJul 25 10:08
phanesi.e. a statement made, that was not true, that caused damage.  there is no legalese at TAODBJul 25 10:08
mateythis is super basicJul 25 10:09
techrights-news12 Open-source Free LAN Chat and Messenger Apps for Windows, Linux, macOS, and Android • Tux Machines ⇨ 25 10:09
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mateyand if slapp CAN throw out legit complaintsJul 25 10:09
mateythen thats bad for not-bullshit toddJul 25 10:09
mateyi mean i dont have to explain the other configurations, they explain themselvesJul 25 10:09
mateyits easy to see how slapp could be good OR bad UNLESS it works perfectlyJul 25 10:09
mjg59_matey: If the plaintif provides meaningful evidence that the claim was untrue, it'll get through an anti-SLAPP caseJul 25 10:10
mateyif it doesnt work perfectly then sooner or later someone gets the short end of the anti-slappJul 25 10:10
mjg59_matey: Todd simply didn't - when accused of rape he said "That's false", and provided no evidence to support his claimJul 25 10:10
mateymjg59_> matey: If the plaintif provides meaningful evidence that the claim was untrue, it'll get through an anti-SLAPP case <- it always makes sense when you put things that wayJul 25 10:10
phanes"prove this negative"Jul 25 10:10
phanesmjg59_, can you prove that you're not a rapist?Jul 25 10:11
mateythe problem is, it doesnt get me closer to figuring out which side has more credibilityJul 25 10:11
mateybob saget, etc Jul 25 10:11
mateywhen a judge weighs evidence, HOPEFULLY, there are witnesses Jul 25 10:11
mateywhat i have here are two people making opposite claims in at least one regardJul 25 10:12
mjg59_matey: I'm honestly not skilled enough here to argue whether or not California's anti-SLAPP statute is good lawJul 25 10:12
mateyi want other inputJul 25 10:12
mjg59_matey: Based on the first amendment lawyers I pay attention to, I think it is, but I can't arguie it myselfJul 25 10:12
matey <mjg59_> matey: I'm honestly not skilled enough here to argue whether or not California's anti-SLAPP statute is good law <- that makes two of usJul 25 10:12
phanesbecause what i see is a whole bunch of shitwads saying horrible things about people everywhere and then screaming about anti-slapp laws when confronted about it like fucking childrenJul 25 10:12
mateythe thing is i love free speechJul 25 10:12
phanesand its the same damned people every timeJul 25 10:13
mateyi dont thing defamation qualifies as free speechJul 25 10:13
phanesthe same circleJul 25 10:13
mateybut that doesnt make it simple becauseJul 25 10:13
mjg59_matey: But the law that the federal court interpreted to come to a conclusion here made it clear that most of Todd's case was without meritJul 25 10:13
mateyas we said earlier, defamation-- etc etc etc etc etcJul 25 10:13
phanesand people need to be held accountable for their behaviour.  freedom of speech is not freedom from consequence.Jul 25 10:13
matey <mjg59_> matey: But the law that the federal court interpreted to come to a conclusion here made it clear that most of Todd's case was without merit <- sort of a side pointJul 25 10:13
mjg59_phanes: Oh yes you are absolutely free to say anything you wish to about me, within the bounds of defamation lawJul 25 10:14
mateybut have you ever noticed just how many things you say lean back on authoritative arguments? WHICH IS PROBABLY WARRANTED HERE onlyJul 25 10:14
mateyit doesnt make shit easier Jul 25 10:14
mateynot that it always can be easy or anythingJul 25 10:14
phanesmjg59_, can you prove that you're not a rapist?Jul 25 10:14
mjg59_matey: If the argument is whether or not something is defamatory then this feels like the right metric to chooseJul 25 10:14
techrights-newsThere is NO reason left to using RAR in 2022!! 25 10:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How to Open RAR Files | siliconindiaJul 25 10:14
mjg59_matey: There's a separate set of discussion about whether it's ok to say something that isn't defamatoryJul 25 10:15
mateylike i saidJul 25 10:15
mateyare you good at buffer overflows? they seem kind of archaic now, but have you ever used one in a security context?Jul 25 10:15
mjg59_matey: Yeah I'm happy to talk about that for myself, but in a context where someone is trying to make assertions about my partner it's toughJul 25 10:16
matey<mjg59_> matey: Yeah I'm happy to talk about that for myself, but in a context where someone is trying to make assertions about my partner it's tough <- of courseJul 25 10:16
phanesyou opened this can of wormsJul 25 10:16
phanesyou insisted that it remain open when approached politely about itJul 25 10:16
mateydid he?Jul 25 10:16
phanesand then you antagonized the wormsJul 25 10:16
phanesand now you're upset that the can is still open and the worms are falling outJul 25 10:16
phanesthis is also a you problemJul 25 10:17
matey/me can see how that applies to other instances ofcJul 25 10:17
mjg59_matey: I refused to adhere to a set of private demandsJul 25 10:17
techrights-newsRAR does in 1) technically inferior 2) proprietary 3) not widely-supported way what FREE (as in freedom) and widely supported Free/libre software has done for decades. Stop using RAR. If someone sends you a RAR file, explain to him/her it's not necessary. There are better ways. Show them.Jul 25 10:17
phanesinitially it was "hey you're saying things about me that aren't true, please take it down" and I got a full dick back in ircJul 25 10:17
phanesthen he expanded on that claim by exaggerating parts of it to try to stir up activist sentimentJul 25 10:18
phanesas retaliation for truthfully accounting for itJul 25 10:18
phanesand now that we're pulling the details out it turns out you have all these other peopleJul 25 10:18
matey/me just reads until he can put a string of words togetherJul 25 10:18
phanesand later on it turns out you have all these close associations of people that are appearing to be doing the same thingJul 25 10:18
mateynot counting that oneJul 25 10:19
phanessoJul 25 10:19
mateyor the second one or this, to be technicalJul 25 10:19
phanesyou tell me who instigated thisJul 25 10:19
matey/me needs jerry lewis to make that cross eyed faceJul 25 10:19
phanesi didn't assert this, you're just not handling well that it blew up on you because you now are seeing consequences on the horizon for your shitty collective behaviourJul 25 10:19
mjg59_Is it the person who registered a website to do things, or is it the person's partner who has literally never spoken to that personJul 25 10:19
mjg59_Sorry, "other person's partner"Jul 25 10:20
phaneshow many opportunities to de-escalate were provided to you?Jul 25 10:20
techrights-newsBerlin Mini GUADEC 2022 • Tux Machines ⇨ 25 10:20
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mjg59_phanes: None?Jul 25 10:20
phanesmjg59_, then you're lying about that tooJul 25 10:20
mateythis must be how the constitution feels after scalias been busy interpreting itJul 25 10:20
techrights-newsEM PRO mini - An AMD Ryzen Embedded R1102G fanless mini PC • Tux Machines ⇨ 25 10:20
mjg59_Everything phanes has offered me as a "get out" has been something that would require me to lieJul 25 10:21
mjg59_Which isn't a de-escalationJul 25 10:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | EM PRO mini - An AMD Ryzen Embedded R1102G fanless mini PC | Tux MachinesJul 25 10:21
phanesthat.. that right there.  this is why you're going to keep losing.Jul 25 10:21
mateyneither of you are terribly interested in "de-escalating" and im not sure i blame either of you for that in this instanceJul 25 10:21
mjg59_phanes: Yeah I love you too keep finding excuses to talk to meJul 25 10:21
techrights-newsThe Read Only Scenario | LINUX Unplugged 468 25 10:21
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mjg59_matey: Heh I mean if he just dropped all of this I wouldn't say anything moreJul 25 10:22
techrights-newsAn Overview of the Linux Operating System for Beginners • Tux Machines ⇨ 25 10:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | An Overview of the Linux Operating System for Beginners | Tux MachinesJul 25 10:22
mateythats plausible, stallmans deadJul 25 10:22
mjg59_matey: But yeah I'm not going to say that he's not a dickJul 25 10:22
phanesmjg59_, 25 10:22
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phanesmjg59_, did I fabricate that conversation?Jul 25 10:23
phanesor are you lying right now?Jul 25 10:23
mjg59_phanes: You promised that you'd send me a certified letter and you never didJul 25 10:23
matey/me is just glad phanes didnt turn out to be another white supremacistJul 25 10:23
techrights-newsMicrosoft GitHub Exposé — Part XXV will be published "soon". If we go at a one-per-week pace, it'll carry on another year (50+ parts).Jul 25 10:24
phanessee how he distracted from the lie?Jul 25 10:24
phaneshe knowsJul 25 10:24
mateyim past the point where i can notice every distraction :)Jul 25 10:24
mjg59_phanes: I said I'd make it clear I didn't accuse you of doing anything illegal if you wanted, and you refused to take me up on thatJul 25 10:24
mateyeven when the internet was still allowed to be crazy, it wasnt this crazyJul 25 10:25
phanesmjg59_, nah, that's just what you said on my behalf.Jul 25 10:25
matey/me is referring to the past few years as a wholeJul 25 10:25
phanesYou have a tendency to do that to people I've noticed.Jul 25 10:25
techrights-newsAny project that leaves GitHub for something else is a little triumph for software freedom. If self-hosted Git, great! Sadly, Git is getting harder over time (setup). Many Git developers aren't interested in making is simple; it's just some "open core" for proprietary crap like GitHub and GitLab (salary givers). I want to see what comes AFTER Git.Jul 25 10:26
phanesWas expanding on that lie on july a de-escalation effort, or was that not a conscious decision to escalate?Jul 25 10:26
phanesNo sympathy for you man.  We tried nice.  That doesn't work with you.Jul 25 10:26
mjg59_"We"?Jul 25 10:26
mjg59_Who is "We"?Jul 25 10:26
techrights-news"Web-based" is the next "Flash". One day many people will realise it mostly sucks and abandon it for something more secure, lighter, less dependent on Internet connectivity and server side setup, fees etc.Jul 25 10:27
phanesIt's not central to the point.Jul 25 10:27
mjg59_But hey like I said, if you think I broke the law then I can give you my lawyer's addressJul 25 10:27
mjg59_And if you don't, do whateverJul 25 10:27
phanesLook if you're not literate enough to track pronouns then maybe you shouldn't wine about them so much.Jul 25 10:27
phanesThis is about ethical disposition and moral compass at this point.  Jul 25 10:28
mjg59_phanes: Previously you used "I" to refer to yourselfJul 25 10:28
phanesIt's not something I'm terribly movable on.Jul 25 10:28
mjg59_phanes: If you're plural then I apologise, I'll use appropriate pronouns in futureJul 25 10:28
phanesI was early on before alot of this came out.Jul 25 10:28
phanesMovable on thsi*Jul 25 10:28
mateychristJul 25 10:28
phanesbut now after seeing all this I don't think we have much room for compromiseJul 25 10:29
mjg59_phanes: What are your pronouns?Jul 25 10:29
phanesTo reiterate: No sympathy for you man.  We tried nice.  That doesn't work with you.Jul 25 10:30
mjg59_phanes: What are your pronouns?Jul 25 10:30
techrights-newsDefeatists of the world, calm down. The neo-fascists aren't winning. More than 80% of the globe does not do "Smart" things and more than 90% uses cash all the time. It's easy to judge the future ahead based on those who surround us (in our vicinity). Many will put up resistance, not for being Luddites but for being rational, practical. We're still the "digital majority".Jul 25 10:30
phanesgoin to bed yall, take care matey Jul 25 10:31
mateyits probably my imagination, but britney seems like the nicest person ive met in hereJul 25 10:31
mateynight phanesJul 25 10:31
mjg59_matey: Britney does seem like a good personJul 25 10:31
schestowitz[TR2]britney has been on and off with us since pre 2010Jul 25 10:33
mateyso shes saidJul 25 10:33
schestowitz[TR2]before all that david ike bsJul 25 10:33
mateynobodys perfect i guessJul 25 10:34
schestowitz[TR2]at least it doesn't come up much anyoreJul 25 10:35
schestowitz[TR2]it can easily be used to discredit everyone hereJul 25 10:35
techrights-newsAs many journalists come under attack, TRF launches a free tool to monitor online abuse | Reuters Institute for the Study of Journalism ⚓ 25 10:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | As many journalists come under attack, TRF launches a free tool to monitor online abuse | Reuters Institute for the Study of JournalismJul 25 10:35
mateycool about the moon thoughJul 25 10:35
schestowitz[TR2]what's amusing is that mjg tires to paint us all as an anti-trans thing, when in fact for many years we were always about 5% trans, sometimes highereJul 25 10:36
schestowitz[TR2]*higherJul 25 10:36
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Experts Blast Meta Human Rights Report as 'Propaganda'Jul 25 10:36
mateywhat's amusing is that mjg tires to paint us all as an anti-trans thing <- i think its more accurate to say that he butts heads with any individual he perceives as being transphobicJul 25 10:36
schestowitz[TR2]he shoudl take on isisJul 25 10:37
schestowitz[TR2]isis slaughters people for much lessJul 25 10:37
schestowitz[TR2]infiudealsJul 25 10:37
schestowitz[TR2]gaysJul 25 10:37
schestowitz[TR2]*infidelsJul 25 10:37
matey<schestowitz[TR2]> he shoudl take on isis <- if this is pun not intended, you have pun not intended diseaseJul 25 10:37
schestowitz[TR2]but I assume his finance chose the name before isil/isis hijacked the acronymJul 25 10:37
schestowitz[TR2]*fianceJul 25 10:37
mateyit was an egyptian name before it was a terrorist groupJul 25 10:38
schestowitz[TR2]yeahJul 25 10:38
schestowitz[TR2]some businesses here was called IsisJul 25 10:38
schestowitz[TR2]so their ads become transgeJul 25 10:38
schestowitz[TR2]*strangeJul 25 10:38
mateyand the name of a goddess-- which is why its REALLY WEIRD to have an ISLAMic (monotheist) terrorist group called thatJul 25 10:38
schestowitz[TR2]like the marketing sloganJul 25 10:38
mateybut its an acronym right?Jul 25 10:38
techrights-newsKoodo is an All-in-one Open Source eBook Reader for Linux • Tux Machines ⇨ 25 10:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Koodo is an All-in-one Open Source eBook Reader for Linux | Tux MachinesJul 25 10:39
schestowitz[TR2]matey: nobody reads it as an acronymJul 25 10:39
matey"you guys named yourselves after an egyptian goddess?"Jul 25 10:39
schestowitz[TR2]because of the vowelsJul 25 10:39
schestowitz[TR2]unlike YMCAJul 25 10:39
matey"no, that was achmed, we constantly give him shit for it"Jul 25 10:40
schestowitz[TR2]"i kill ya!"|Jul 25 10:40
schestowitz[TR2]matey: I have new examples of github beingf rejectedJul 25 10:40
schestowitz[TR2]it's like skype circa 2016Jul 25 10:40
mateyif ymca was a terrorist group, they would round people up and make them play sports with automatic weapons aimed at themJul 25 10:40
matey"PLAY, PLAY PLAY!"Jul 25 10:40
matey"but..."Jul 25 10:40
mateyBANG!Jul 25 10:41
schestowitz[TR2]give it another half a decade, maybe github will be 20% of new projectsJul 25 10:41
schestowitz[TR2]or lessJul 25 10:41
matey"I SAID PLAY NOW!"Jul 25 10:41
schestowitz[TR2]microsoft keeps the cards close to its chestJul 25 10:41
schestowitz[TR2]read: hides itJul 25 10:41
schestowitz[TR2]like vista 11 usage numberJul 25 10:41
schestowitz[TR2]that ALWAYS means it's not gooJul 25 10:41
schestowitz[TR2]because they lose to boast and exaggerateJul 25 10:41
schestowitz[TR2]so I assure you they have reasons for concern thereJul 25 10:41
schestowitz[TR2]CEO removedJul 25 10:41
schestowitz[TR2]I posted in another channel the gravevine stuffJul 25 10:42
schestowitz[TR2]why he was thrown under the bussJul 25 10:42
schestowitz[TR2]miguel also... still studying material from a legla caseJul 25 10:42
schestowitz[TR2]Microsoft is not ina  good shape, BUT IT IS FIGHTING LIKE HELLJul 25 10:42
mateyif ymca was a terrorist group, steve ballmer could be the youth coachJul 25 10:42
schestowitz[TR2]some people thought one day Microsoft will just gfo,Jul 25 10:42
schestowitz[TR2]"well, ok, Linux won"Jul 25 10:42
schestowitz[TR2]and lie downJul 25 10:42
schestowitz[TR2]but Windows is sttill out thereJul 25 10:43
mateyi think that was esrJul 25 10:43
schestowitz[TR2]not they put up the bolts on laptopsJul 25 10:43
schestowitz[TR2]"secure" bootJul 25 10:43
schestowitz[TR2]they are fightingJul 25 10:43
schestowitz[TR2]and they try to capture all our orgsJul 25 10:43
schestowitz[TR2]decapitation strategyJul 25 10:43
schestowitz[TR2]SPI paid by MicrosoftJul 25 10:43
schestowitz[TR2]hired lawyersJul 25 10:43
mateyif ymca was a terrorist group, you think esrs militia would kill them?Jul 25 10:43
schestowitz[TR2]attacks people who criticise MicrosoftJul 25 10:43
schestowitz[TR2]btw, Arch is also connected to SPIJul 25 10:43
matey<schestowitz[TR2]> and they try to capture all our orgs <- seems to be workingJul 25 10:43
schestowitz[TR2]so similar problems over the horizonJul 25 10:43
matey<schestowitz[TR2]> btw, Arch is also connected to SPI <- GROSSJul 25 10:44
schestowitz[TR2]matey: it is esr's "OBLIGATION"Jul 25 10:44
schestowitz[TR2]apropois:Jul 25 10:44
*schestowitz[TR2] finds linkJul 25 10:44
mateyobladi, obliga, mote it be, YAAAAAJul 25 10:44
mateyYAYA crazy esrJul 25 10:44
mateyive seen itJul 25 10:44
schestowitz[TR2]<techrights-news> Nearly one in three Americans say it may soon be necessary to take up arms against the government | The Hill ⚓ ䷉ Source: thehillJul 25 10:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Nearly one in three Americans say it may soon be necessary to take up arms against the government | The HillJul 25 10:44
mateyim all for a well-organised militia, but are the viking hats mandatory?Jul 25 10:45
mateyhey roy do you know andrew tate? not like personallyJul 25 10:46
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Andrew Tate - WikipediaJul 25 10:46
schestowitz[TR2]only "now"...Jul 25 10:47
schestowitz[TR2]I thought it would be some sugar tycoon/heirJul 25 10:48
mateymay be i never heard of him before todayJul 25 10:49
mateyi guess hes been arrestedJul 25 10:49
matey"ive never exploited anyone in my life"-- andrew tate as a man in the prime of his careerJul 25 10:51
matey"im going to manipulate them all"-- andrew tate in a reality show with a $10,000 prizeJul 25 10:52
matey"use them as weapons"Jul 25 10:52
schestowitz[TR2]he seems to be tied with lutonJul 25 10:52
mateyreality tv is REALLY terribleJul 25 10:52
schestowitz[TR2]when you say luton in the UK these days peoole get ideasJul 25 10:52
mateyi wont judge luton for their misfortuneJul 25 10:52
mateyi guess everyone else doesJul 25 10:53
mateyi still associate luton with morcambe and wise, but im sure thats out of dateJul 25 10:53
mateymorcambe is dead and i have no idea what the status of ernie wise isJul 25 10:53
schestowitz[TR2]now it's infested with two sides of the religious warsJul 25 10:53
schestowitz[TR2]eds et alJul 25 10:54
schestowitz[TR2]edlJul 25 10:54
mateyyayJul 25 10:54
schestowitz[TR2]openbytes' tim used to live thereJul 25 10:54
schestowitz[TR2]it's known for racists and airportJul 25 10:54
schestowitz[TR2]lol racist aipor.. maybeJul 25 10:54
mateyis the airport racist?Jul 25 10:54
schestowitz[TR2]noJul 25 10:54
schestowitz[TR2]not that I sawJul 25 10:54
mateythey probably all areJul 25 10:54
mateymost of the planes are whiteJul 25 10:55
schestowitz[TR2]but I was there several times and I remember when they confisicstacated an ol' ladies water plastic bobble wiuth just ice in itJul 25 10:55
schestowitz[TR2]she could not save her new fashionable bottleJul 25 10:55
schestowitz[TR2]as she could not melt the iceJul 25 10:55
schestowitz[TR2]solidJul 25 10:55
schestowitz[TR2]maybe they thought it was "anti-freeze" ^_^Jul 25 10:56
mateywhy did they confiscate itJul 25 10:56
schestowitz[TR2]obviously she was gonna bomb the placeJul 25 10:56
mateyauntie freezeJul 25 10:56
schestowitz[TR2]with her icy beverage plastic bottleJul 25 10:56
schestowitz[TR2]if it was water, she could empty it and keep the bottleJul 25 10:56
schestowitz[TR2]she was next to meJul 25 10:56
mateyafter batman returns you just cant be too carefulJul 25 10:56
schestowitz[TR2]and they didn't say muchJul 25 10:56
schestowitz[TR2]just took it away like a bunch of zombiesJul 25 10:56
schestowitz[TR2]probably stole it later (the staff)Jul 25 10:57
schestowitz[TR2]"that's a nice bottle you got there, it'd be a shame...";Jul 25 10:57
mateylike taking a bottle from an old ladyJul 25 10:57
schestowitz[TR2]bottle of iceJul 25 10:57
schestowitz[TR2]solidJul 25 10:57
schestowitz[TR2]obv. a bomkbJul 25 10:57
schestowitz[TR2]and later they wonder why people like me won't flyJul 25 10:57
mateythat was just coldJul 25 10:57
schestowitz[TR2]cold as iceJul 25 10:58
mateyive seen it before it happens all the timeJul 25 10:58
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schestowitz[TR2]luton is where many of the "budget" 'air' 'lines' goJul 25 10:59
schestowitz[TR2]to save moneyJul 25 10:59
schestowitz[TR2]and then have tourists go another 40 mins by train/busJul 25 10:59
mateyrunway is always clear because who the fuck wants to go to luton anywayJul 25 10:59
matey"yalriiiiight?"Jul 25 11:00
schestowitz[TR2]budget travelklersJul 25 11:00
schestowitz[TR2]we used to have gatwick as a clientJul 25 11:00
schestowitz[TR2]deployed some free sofwtare for themJul 25 11:00
schestowitz[TR2]on panels and suchJul 25 11:00
schestowitz[TR2]because we suckedJul 25 11:00
mateyi heardJul 25 11:00
schestowitz[TR2]and lost many of the talented staffJul 25 11:00
schestowitz[TR2]*beforeJul 25 11:01
schestowitz[TR2]now we suckJul 25 11:01
mateyopen suckJul 25 11:01
schestowitz[TR2]we're like mozilla in 2 yearsJul 25 11:01
schestowitz[TR2]we were mozilla before the pandemicJul 25 11:01
schestowitz[TR2]now we're mozilla++Jul 25 11:01
mateydoes the ceo get paid like that? i bet notJul 25 11:01
schestowitz[TR2]haha, noJul 25 11:01
schestowitz[TR2]he took paycut, he saidJul 25 11:01
mateyim sure he wouldnt mind, he could buy the company and-- i dunnoJul 25 11:02
mateyprobably about ready to retire anywayJul 25 11:02
schestowitz[TR2]I will leave "soon"Jul 25 11:02
mateyone of the best words in techJul 25 11:02
mateyand the worstJul 25 11:02
schestowitz[TR2]hence quotesJul 25 11:03
schestowitz[TR2]I cannot say whenJul 25 11:03
mateythat one always has quotesJul 25 11:03
schestowitz[TR2]negotiating moneyJul 25 11:03
schestowitz[TR2]11.5 years is a lot in accrued capitalJul 25 11:04
mjg59_schestowitz[TR2]: I feel like "not as bad as ISIS" is not the standard we should hold our communities toJul 25 11:04
*schestowitz[TR2] wastes no time arguing over this anymoreJul 25 11:05
schestowitz[TR2]matey: I did some online calculator thingJul 25 11:05
mjg59_If ISIS thought software patents were bad, I'd still criticise themJul 25 11:05
schestowitz[TR2]I might be entitled to 17k Jul 25 11:05
schestowitz[TR2]almost's a year's salaryJul 25 11:06
techrights-newsToday’s #HowTos | #UNIX • Tux Machines ⇨ 25 11:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | today's howtos | Tux MachinesJul 25 11:06
mjg59_schestowitz[TR2]: When did you last criticise a transphobic group?Jul 25 11:06
matey <schestowitz[TR2]> almost's a year's salary <- wildJul 25 11:08
matey <mjg59_> schestowitz[TR2]: When did you last criticise a transphobic group? <- in the vaguest terms he probably does so oftenJul 25 11:09
mateyif only inadvertentlyJul 25 11:09
matey/me can think of two trans individuals who are probably the best people to try to hold roy to his trans-supportive obligationsJul 25 11:11
mateyunless theyve tried and failedJul 25 11:12
techrights-newsBerlin Mini GUADEC 2022 25 11:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Berlin Mini GUADEC 2022 | Tux MachinesJul 25 11:12
techrights-newsSUSE is not about GNU/Linux anymore 25 11:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Navigating the rapidly evolving world of retail | SUSE CommunitiesJul 25 11:13
mateymake it three, but i think the other two are more fairJul 25 11:14
matey(to them, i mean)Jul 25 11:14
techrights-newsriscv: enable Docker requirements in defconfig 25 11:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | kernel/git/riscv/linux.git - RISC-V Linux kernel treeJul 25 11:14
schestowitz[TR2]matey: they should ask TorvaldsJul 25 11:16
schestowitz[TR2]not that  he would answerJul 25 11:16
schestowitz[TR2]would say he's busy, go to another roomJul 25 11:16
schestowitz[TR2]when it comes to EPOJul 25 11:16
schestowitz[TR2]we had a very awesome transactivist helping usJul 25 11:16
schestowitz[TR2]making caricatures and making full article translations from    dutchJul 25 11:17
schestowitz[TR2]one day I mistakenly conflated identity and ganderJul 25 11:17
schestowitz[TR2]and she flipped out over itJul 25 11:17
schestowitz[TR2]*genderJul 25 11:17
schestowitz[TR2]I didn't even understand what I had doneJul 25 11:17
techrights-newsDebConf22 closes in Prizren and DebConf23 dates announced • Tux Machines ⇨ 25 11:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | DebConf22 closes in Prizren and DebConf23 dates announced | Tux MachinesJul 25 11:17
techrights-newsBest Free and Open Source Alternatives to Oracle Business Intelligence • Tux Machines ⇨ 25 11:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to Oracle Business Intelligence | Tux MachinesJul 25 11:18
techrights-newsCompact3566 - A Rockchip RK3566 SBC that closely follows Raspberry Pi 3 form factor • Tux Machines ⇨ 25 11:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Compact3566 - A Rockchip RK3566 SBC that closely follows Raspberry Pi 3 form factor | Tux MachinesJul 25 11:18
mateysome people on the left are extremely sensitive about honest mistakesJul 25 11:19
mateysome have good reason to be. others are jerksJul 25 11:19
schestowitz[TR2]hypersensitive in this caseJul 25 11:19
schestowitz[TR2]blocked me right awayJul 25 11:19
mateythe right portrays itself as thick skinned. we all know this is bullshitJul 25 11:19
schestowitz[TR2]no chance to explain to me the difference, around 2015 that wasJul 25 11:19
schestowitz[TR2]lesser awareness back thenJul 25 11:19
mateystress and trauma are two things i think you dont understand really wellJul 25 11:20
mateybut then thats not uncommonJul 25 11:20
mateyim not saying you havent experienced stress and traumaJul 25 11:21
mateyive certainly experienced some things i dont really much understandJul 25 11:21
mateylike im not a biologist, so any time ive been sick, my understanding of it has limitsJul 25 11:21
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mjg59_schestowitz[TR2]: People who've had to deal with a lot of shit in the physical world are usually not tolerant of dealing with the same in the virtual worldJul 25 11:22
mjg59_schestowitz[TR2]: They can just choose to be in online places where they don't deal with it insteadJul 25 11:23
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mateyat least until those online places get taken over by people who say they have no right to be there :)Jul 25 11:23
mjg59_schestowitz[TR2]: If people don't have a belief that you're someone they can trust to have a decent conversation on the topic with then the easy thing is to just peace outJul 25 11:23
mateyi think roys complaint that he wasnt given a chance is plausibleJul 25 11:25
mateyi think the guess that such a conversation would be frustrating (to the point of being pointless) is possibleJul 25 11:26
mjg59_matey: I agree, but my guess would be it's based on history not just a single incident. I might well be wrong.Jul 25 11:26
techrights-newsjust received by post: we'll give you 5 pounds to participate in survey (online). But MANDATES "QR code"... so I guess the survey will exclude people like us who don't use mobile "phone". How NOT to conduct surveys.Jul 25 11:26
mateythis is a community where youd have to be obtuse just to stay here for a few daysJul 25 11:26
schestowitz[TR2]online escapism is a huge problem in kidsJul 25 11:28
schestowitz[TR2]some aree incapable of interacting with people facer to faceJul 25 11:28
schestowitz[TR2]those born just before covid-19 will have cues deficitJul 25 11:28
mateythat isnt entirely newJul 25 11:28
schestowitz[TR2]until an older ageJul 25 11:28
schestowitz[TR2]I heard of people who use "self-service" because they are anxious about facing a real personJul 25 11:29
schestowitz[TR2]esp. a strerangerJul 25 11:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | QTrobot, Educational robot for at home education of children with autismJul 25 11:30
schestowitz[TR2]meanwhile, biden fist-bumpsd a murdererJul 25 11:30
schestowitz[TR2]putin did a high-five with him just months after jamal's "culling"Jul 25 11:30
schestowitz[TR2]so oiligarchs and oligarchs (overlap exists) don't value lifeJul 25 11:30
schestowitz[TR2]we see it here in covid-19 policiesJul 25 11:30
schestowitz[TR2]football resumes next week, packed stadiumsJul 25 11:31
matey<schestowitz[TR2]> I heard of people who use "self-service" because they are anxious about facing a real person <- the amount of othering you do, and the sheer number of traits you decide to otherJul 25 11:31
mateyim sure you have no idea how staggering it isJul 25 11:31
schestowitz[TR2]the staff is usually forced to be politeJul 25 11:31
mateybut the only thing not "normal" about this stuff is the rateJul 25 11:31
schestowitz[TR2]happiness is not optionalJul 25 11:31
matey <schestowitz[TR2]> happiness is not optional <- thats bad managementJul 25 11:32
schestowitz[TR2]matey: I didn't see surveys across time lapsesJul 25 11:32
mateyim curious-- and im curious because i DONT think it comes from the "top"Jul 25 11:32
schestowitz[TR2]but I was sold those by apologists of self-checkoutJul 25 11:32
schestowitz[TR2]and those machines did not exist before but were totally feasible to makeJul 25 11:32
matey <schestowitz[TR2]> matey: I didn't see surveys across time lapses <- this would not require your formal training in statisticsJul 25 11:32
matey im curious-- and im curious because i DONT think it comes from the "top"Jul 25 11:32
mateywhere the bad management comes fromJul 25 11:33
schestowitz[TR2]it's hard to judge and compareJul 25 11:33
schestowitz[TR2]as things changedJul 25 11:33
mateyif its the ceo i dont expect you to sayJul 25 11:33
mateybut i actually assume its NOT the ceoJul 25 11:33
schestowitz[TR2]when I was a kid, if another kid screamed, it would peiece my earsJul 25 11:33
schestowitz[TR2]that does not happen anymoreJul 25 11:33
mateythats why its a small mysteryJul 25 11:33
schestowitz[TR2]as mny hearing range and amplitutes aren;'t ther sameJul 25 11:33
schestowitz[TR2]and same for how I perceive people's shyness Jul 25 11:33
schestowitz[TR2]so comparing studies across generations is a hard problemJul 25 11:33
schestowitz[TR2]because of perspective, scopesJul 25 11:34
mateysociety evolvesJul 25 11:34
mateyor if you prefer, all men are devoJul 25 11:34
schestowitz[TR2]also, as kids, it was common to let uis walk on our own in the streetsJul 25 11:34
mateyyeahJul 25 11:34
schestowitz[TR2]I am quite sure oit objective got worse since tthenJul 25 11:34
schestowitz[TR2]*objectivelyJul 25 11:34
schestowitz[TR2]and can be measured, tooJul 25 11:34
schestowitz[TR2]now there are laws that can impact parentsJul 25 11:34
mateyhelicopter parenting is bad for society yesJul 25 11:34
schestowitz[TR2]ranging from fines to loss of custody or "training"Jul 25 11:35
mateywhether in its literal form (with actual heli-- kidding) whether literally with parentsJul 25 11:35
schestowitz[TR2]in trick and treat we don't get kids anymoreJul 25 11:35
schestowitz[TR2]now it's parents Jul 25 11:35
mateyor figuratively with all this spy on your kid techJul 25 11:35
schestowitz[TR2]and a bunch of kids with themJul 25 11:35
schestowitz[TR2]speaking for themJul 25 11:35
schestowitz[TR2]to "protect" themJul 25 11:35
mateyfucking movies and sensationalistJul 25 11:35
schestowitz[TR2]i mean, it's not like people here open the doors wearing robes and varnishing candyJul 25 11:35
mateythe kids would be safe if esr armed them all and took them to the rangeJul 25 11:36
mateyi do think a well-armed populace is a good idea. im sure there are sane people who can assess how to teach kids about guns, but that counts out esrJul 25 11:37
schestowitz[TR2]militia fatacistsJul 25 11:37
schestowitz[TR2]if you ask them to be less armed, then they make the excusesJul 25 11:37
schestowitz[TR2]like, NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE are armedJul 25 11:37
schestowitz[TR2]*fanatics/fantasists Jul 25 11:37
mateyim sure youre familiar with the concept of a therapeutic doseJul 25 11:38
mateyit can be lower or higher than therapeuticJul 25 11:38
schestowitz[TR2]esr is gone btwJul 25 11:38
schestowitz[TR2]he stopped bloggingJul 25 11:38
mateythough im not sure if you can have too many guns if theyre distributed well enough and people are responsible with themJul 25 11:39
mateyyou keep saying that Jul 25 11:39
schestowitz[TR2]rms was not happy about how esr had been tratedJul 25 11:39
schestowitz[TR2]but that was after they did the same to rmsJul 25 11:39
mateyrms doesnt really seem to know whats going onJul 25 11:39
schestowitz[TR2]so maybe on some level there was solidarity. #metoo #cancelcultureJul 25 11:39
mateyid just assume hes being lied to regularlyJul 25 11:39
mateylike the king in the two towersJul 25 11:39
schestowitz[TR2]for the planet, morew guns are goodJul 25 11:40
mateyi dont think #metoo is used that wayJul 25 11:40
schestowitz[TR2]for the planetJul 25 11:40
schestowitz[TR2]it's humans lowering their numbersJul 25 11:40
mateythe planet will manage. its the humans who need to get their shit togetherJul 25 11:40
schestowitz[TR2]sorry, capsJul 25 11:40
mateyits funny when you do thatJul 25 11:40
schestowitz[TR2]you can see the small iJul 25 11:41
schestowitz[TR2]I am eatingJul 25 11:41
schestowitz[TR2]rianne made rice puddingJul 25 11:41
mateygood stuffJul 25 11:41
schestowitz[TR2]she goes to yorkshire tomorrow, leaving me on my own for 3 daysJul 25 11:41
mateyif theres enough pudding that will keep you going for a few daysJul 25 11:41
schestowitz[TR2]freezer is fullJul 25 11:42
mateyniceJul 25 11:42
mateyhave you seen phanes websiteJul 25 11:44
schestowitz[TR2]noJul 25 11:44
schestowitz[TR2]I keep distanceJul 25 11:44
mateyhes so meticulous about the dataJul 25 11:44
mateyits like a zen rock gardenJul 25 11:44
schestowitz[TR2]tbh, I don't like his methodsJul 25 11:44
schestowitz[TR2]and he harmed freenodeJul 25 11:44
schestowitz[TR2]said a freenode nda is due to expire next yearJul 25 11:45
schestowitz[TR2]so we may know what exactly happened in 20221Jul 25 11:45
mateyhe and ariadne are frenemies? enemies?Jul 25 11:45
mateyformer associatesJul 25 11:45
schestowitz[TR2]"if that your "sword of truth" or are you just excited to see me?"Jul 25 11:46
mateyill-wanted aquaintancesJul 25 11:46
techrights-news[PATCH 0/5] drm/vkms: Add ConfigFS Support - Jim Shargo ⚓ ䷉ Source: chromium | ♾ Gemini address: gemini:// 25 11:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | [PATCH 0/5] drm/vkms: Add ConfigFS Support - Jim ShargoJul 25 11:46
mateyhe enjoys a bit of theatricsJul 25 11:46
techrights-newsMediaTek buddies with back doors company that makes defective chips. Taking note... 25 11:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Intel and MediaTek Form Foundry PartnershipJul 25 11:46
mateyquite modestly, compared to esrJul 25 11:46
mateythen again, maybe i just havent known him long enough (or at all)Jul 25 11:47
matey<schestowitz[TR2]> tbh, I don't like his methods <- i realise your protest may extend beyond this example butJul 25 11:48
techrights-newsIntel and Microsoft love to "sponsor" (read: buy, corrupt, infiltrate) CS labs. Seen it all before. Do not go study in a university that "partners" with those malicious companies. You don't learn, you're being preached to (corporate religion).Jul 25 11:48
mateyyou seem to be against ANY serious confrontation with the coupJul 25 11:48
mateythat would certainly include what hes doingJul 25 11:49
techrights-news[PATCH 0/9] Samsung Trinity NPU device driver - Jiho Chu ⚓ ䷉ Source: samsung | ♾ Gemini address: gemini:// 25 11:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | [PATCH 0/9] Samsung Trinity NPU device driver - Jiho ChuJul 25 11:49
techrights-newsDoes DARPA/DoD "approve" Chinese patches in Linux? [PATCH 0/4] faster kexec reboot - Albert Huang ⚓ ䷉ Source: bytedance | ♾ Gemini address: gemini:// 25 11:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | [PATCH 0/4] faster kexec reboot - Albert HuangJul 25 11:49
schestowitz[TR2]<matey> then again, maybe i just havent known him long enough (or at all)Jul 25 11:50
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techrights-newsEwww.. DRM on GNU/Linux 25 11:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Watching Netflix on Linux with Chrome/Firefox - TREND OCEANSJul 25 11:51
matey@bagira And not in any way related to me falling off a uhaul and landing on my knee a few weeks later.Jul 25 11:52
matey and landing on my kneeJul 25 11:52
mateya few weeks later.Jul 25 11:52
mateywhere the fuck was he parkedJul 25 11:52
techrights-newsSoftware freedom isn't a battle that can be won, only forever fought. Those who oppose it do so for ideological reasons (they want total power), going back to the beginning of "time" (human civilisation). So the process of fending off, fighting back is what's important. Every little helps.Jul 25 11:53
psydruid> [notice] Intel and MediaTek Form Foundry PartnershipJul 25 11:56
psydruidThis is not actually a bad thing, as this will allow Intel to go back to its roots as a semiconductor fabrication companyJul 25 11:56
psydruidThere should be many more of those from more companies, so chips can be manufactured based on the best conditions for the chip designerJul 25 11:56
psydruidSo far there are TSMC, Samsung, Intel, GlobalFoundries, SMIC, ST, Bosch and a number of smaller onesJul 25 11:56
mateyim too tired to process 8,000 lines of text i already looked at (almost certainly) last yearJul 25 11:56
schestowitz[TR2]there is am key portionJul 25 11:59
schestowitz[TR2]where banning startsJul 25 11:59
mateyi dont doubt itJul 25 11:59
schestowitz[TR2] 25 11:59
schestowitz[TR2]shorterJul 25 11:59
mateyi probably wouldnt like him as an ircopJul 25 12:00
schestowitz[TR2]irkkkopJul 25 12:00
techrights-newsLinks 25/07/2022: Berlin Mini GUADEC 2022, DebConf23 Dates Announced | Techrights ⚓ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini:// 25 12:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Links 25/07/2022: Berlin Mini GUADEC 2022, DebConf23 Dates Announced | TechrightsJul 25 12:00
techrights-newsToday’s 𝘛𝘶𝘹 𝘔𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴 Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ 25 12:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | today's leftovers | Tux MachinesJul 25 12:00
schestowitz[TR2]here, MinceR is the copJul 25 12:01
schestowitz[TR2]if orban enteredJul 25 12:01
schestowitz[TR2]instant or-BANJul 25 12:01
techrights-newsNonsensical, worthless gimmicks to melt greenwashing yuppies 25 12:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | This Car Charger Bot Will Also Hold Your Spot - IEEE SpectrumJul 25 12:03
mateyif he murdered orban on sight i wouldnt be too shocked about itJul 25 12:03
mateymaybe we could give him a medalJul 25 12:04
techrights-newsHEY HI (AI).... it's everywhere, it's omnipotent, omnipresent... HEY HEY HEY HEY HEY HEY HEY HEY HEY HEY HEY HE HEY HEY.. show some respect to the HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI 25 12:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-What AI Still Doesn’t Know How to Do - WSJJul 25 12:04
mateyas for phanesJul 25 12:04
mateyand a bunch of other peopleJul 25 12:04
mateyfreenode was fucked for some timeJul 25 12:04
mateyjoe rogan talked about what it does to youJul 25 12:05
mateyto be in charge of security at a concert evenJul 25 12:05
mateymaybe having ops on too large a network for too longJul 25 12:05
mateymakes a lot of people feel like a great flood isnt such a bad ideaJul 25 12:05
techrights-newsCargo cults spreading with hype 25 12:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Blockchain not just for bitcoin: It can secure and store genomes, too | YaleNewsJul 25 12:05
mateycleanse the earth againJul 25 12:05
mateyits not a great ideaJul 25 12:06
mateybut it happens?Jul 25 12:06
schestowitz[TR2]after we die :-)Jul 25 12:06
schestowitz[TR2]obviouslyJul 25 12:06
mateythat would be the whole point, yesJul 25 12:06
mateyand this is about freednodeJul 25 12:06
schestowitz[TR2]we'll never live to see itJul 25 12:06
schestowitz[TR2]butJul 25 12:06
schestowitz[TR2]one person might temporarily see itJul 25 12:06
schestowitz[TR2]the binary switchJul 25 12:07
schestowitz[TR2]on the death bedJul 25 12:07
schestowitz[TR2]"annnnnd... i'm GONE"Jul 25 12:07
schestowitz[TR2]technicallyu we don't know the name of the last dinosaur to liveJul 25 12:07
schestowitz[TR2]some bird look like dinosaurs to meJul 25 12:07
mateyphilipJul 25 12:07
schestowitz[TR2]*birdsJul 25 12:07
mateychickens are small dinosaursJul 25 12:07
mateyso is pelosiJul 25 12:08
techrights-news"Being anonymous on the internet isn't impossible, but it sure as hell isn't easy either. You have a name, a face, and email address, a phone number... these things, and more, are being asked of us all the time to prove our legitimacy on countless websites." 25 12:09
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techrights-newsBrain-computer interface (BCI) startup Synchron implanted a wire-electrode combination in the brain of a U.S. patient with amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, attempting to enable the patient to perform thought-powered Web surfing, email, and texting. 25 12:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot?Jul 25 12:10
techrights-newsWebspam again. Catalogues disguised as "reviews" or "comparisons" (spammy links). The WWW is dead, it just doesn't know it yet. Spam/noise to signal ratio is awful. 25 12:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The 9 Best Laptops for 2022 | Reviews by WirecutterJul 25 12:12
techrights-newsMicrosoft (NSA) lying: "The gist of Microsoft’s 2010 Windows Phone campaign was the same — everyone devotes too much attention to their phones and Microsoft has hit upon a solution." The solution is not to have one! 25 12:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Daring Fireball: First Windows Phone 7 Ad From MicrosoftJul 25 12:14
techrights-newsImagine wasting your time on bullshit like this... 25 12:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Splash Screen in Android - GeeksforGeeksJul 25 12:15
techrights-news"Gates panicked, lied to Brainerd"... is Brainerd dead yet? 25 12:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | liam_on_linux | Why MS Word jumped from version 2 to version 6Jul 25 12:16
techrights-newsThe Bill Gates lesson: BRIBE the media and it'll idolise it DESPITE your role enabling a child sex smuggling ringJul 25 12:17
techrights-newsEven Warren B, Bill's BFF, found Gates role in enabling Jeffrey Epstein, his other BFF, too much to swallow. And he's in his 80s, his not an 8 year old...Jul 25 12:19
techrights-newsWARNING: Don’t Toast your Steam Deck (plus other Deck news) - Invidious ⚓ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini:// 25 12:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | WARNING: Don't Toast your Steam Deck (plus other Deck news) - InvidiousJul 25 12:20
techrights-news"In the thirty-sixth episode of the WordPress Briefing, Josepha Haden Chomphosy revisits the Beginner’s Guide to Contributions to the WordPress open source project." 25 12:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Episode 36: Beginner’s Guide to Contributions 2.0 – WordPress NewsJul 25 12:20
techrights-newsBT does not belong on earpieces. It's a waste of circuitry 25 12:21
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techrights-news"Look ma! No cords/wires" is the nea sneakers with lights in 'em... totally impractical, overrated. The power of marketing.Jul 25 12:22
techrights-newsWe should remind people that using wireless devices where wired works perfectly well is BAD FOR THE PLANET. E.g. "wireless" mice... that might generate a big pile of chemical batteries in their lifetime.Jul 25 12:24
techrights-newsBrazil commits genocide against the rainforests and pollutes rivers, says the hypocritical yuppie on a jumbo aircraft, running a laptop on batteries while flying from one country which completely deforested itself to another country which completely deforested itself.Jul 25 12:28
techrights-newsCPU-X The Best Linux Alternative Of CPU-Z • Tux Machines ⇨ 25 12:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | CPU-X The Best Linux Alternative Of CPU-Z | Tux MachinesJul 25 12:29
techrights-ipfs-bot(ℹ) Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini:// and so far today at gemini:// with 3-day aggregate at gemini:// 25 12:30
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techrights-newsE44: Open Source Auth-as-a-Service by Aserto "-as-a-Service" typically means as a serf, not software freedom, even if the server side is FS-basedJul 25 12:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | E44: Open Source Auth-as-a-Service by Aserto by Open Source Startup PodcastJul 25 12:43
techrights-news"Hello everyone. This is a brief update on the Ham project - a drop in replacement for the Jam build system. For those more curious about the technical details, there will be a larger blog post on Ham’s action modifier implementation coming soon." 25 12:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | [GSoC 2022] Ham: Status Update | Haiku ProjectJul 25 12:44
techrights-newsClickfraud spamnil is now doping on the fraud. Take my word for it: just a matter of time before Gulag suspends his YouTube channel. How does James Zemlin (and Sheela Microsoft) justify such practices? 25 12:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | New Lows: Linux Foundation Defrauding Clients | TechrightsJul 25 12:47
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techrights-newsUK Not Testing Enough for COVID-19 (More Than 1 in 10 Now Test Positive, But Testing Rates at New Lows) 25 13:00
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techrights-newsBrexitnaro Johnson killed our economyJul 25 13:01
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techrights-newsOn GNOME advocacy • Tux Machines ⇨ 25 13:02
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 14″ PINEBOOK Pro LINUX LAPTOP - PINE64 EUJul 25 13:17
psydroid2you get 2 years of warranty but it's out of stockJul 25 13:18
psydroid2hopefully they'll start working on a new one with a better SoCJul 25 13:18
techrights-news[Meme] The EPO’s Great Leap Forward | Techrights ⚓ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini:// 25 13:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | [Meme] The EPO’s Great Leap Forward | TechrightsJul 25 13:33
mateyyou get 2 years of warranty but it's out of stockJul 25 13:33
mateysweetJul 25 13:33
matey hopefully they'll start working on a new one with a better SoC <- yeahJul 25 13:33
matey <schestowitz[TR2]> technicallyu we don't know the name of the last dinosaur to live <- nessie!Jul 25 13:34
schestowitz[TR2]as if..Jul 25 13:34
mateyor bessieJul 25 13:34
mateyor tessieJul 25 13:34
schestowitz[TR2]she mated with a small dinoJul 25 13:34
schestowitz[TR2]a roosterJul 25 13:34
techrights-news[Meme] The EPO’s Unprecedented Surge | Techrights ⚓ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini:// 25 13:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | [Meme] The EPO’s Unprecedented Surge | TechrightsJul 25 13:49
techrights-newsHP Dev One Linux Laptop Review: The Best for Linux • Tux Machines ⇨ 25 13:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | HP Dev One Linux Laptop Review: The Best for Linux | Tux MachinesJul 25 13:55
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Ariadne5:45 AM <matey> he and ariadne are frenemies? enemies?Jul 25 14:27
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | “If you don&#x27;t go to war, they’ll put you in a pit”: A secret prison for Russian soldiers who refuse to go to warJul 25 15:44
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XRevan86 "FSB accuses journalist Grozev of plotting to steal Russian aircraft by order of Ukraine"Jul 25 15:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Новая газета. ЕвропаJul 25 15:45
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techrights-news"Hello Smol world :-) Trying out this new platform!" gemini:// 25 15:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Christo Grozev (@christogrozev): "Today FSB announced that they have “foiled a plot by Ukraine’s intelligence services” to lure Russian military pilots to surrender to Ukraine – with their planes – in return for millions of USD in payments (thread)."|nitterJul 25 15:47
XRevan86 this link is more appropriateJul 25 15:47
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techrights-news"I have a little clock app that I use on my Raspberry Pi 0. It is written in Go. The Pi0 is a slow machine, so compiling Go code is actually pretty painful, despite the language having a reputation for fast compile times." gemini:// 25 15:49
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Julia Davis (@JuliaDavisNews): "Meanwhile on Russian state TV: nationalist writer Alexander Prokhanov, who has been promoting Russia's war against Ukraine, is now being presented as a great artist. His strange, infantile "art" seems to be deliberately designed to promote the invasion of Ukraine to children."|nitterJul 25 15:50
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | ”We drove aimlessly through fields for days.“ After the invasion began, hundreds of Russian National Guard servicemen refused to fight in Ukraine and returned homeJul 25 15:51
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schestowitz[TR2]not an emojhlow moraleJul 25 15:54
schestowitz[TR2]for russian troopsJul 25 15:54
schestowitz[TR2]no goalJul 25 15:54
schestowitz[TR2]not an emojiJul 25 15:54
schestowitz[TR2]:(Jul 25 15:54
schestowitz[TR2]so no finesJul 25 15:54
schestowitz[TR2]*low moraleJul 25 15:55
XRevan86schestowitz: No illegal asterisks either.Jul 25 15:55
techrights-newsToday in #Techrights • Tux Machines ⇨ 25 15:56
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DaemonFCThe car is in the shop, and of course nobody at Mandy's dentist is answering the phone so I can discuss the bills the insurance company kicked back at me for "improper billing code".Jul 25 15:56
DaemonFCGRRRRRJul 25 15:56
DaemonFCYou have to be a plumber and an electrician to work on a car.Jul 25 15:57
DaemonFCIf it's not a sensor, it's a vacuum leak.Jul 25 15:57
DaemonFCI was watching F is for Family with Mandy and "Frank" bitches about his car all the time because it's rusted and backfiring and the door hits him sometimes.Jul 25 15:58
DaemonFCMinor problems. At least cars in the 1970s ran and ran even long after they stopped looking pretty.Jul 25 15:58
DaemonFCYou still see some now.Jul 25 15:58
DaemonFCIt's worth buying maybe if you live in an emissions state, like I do.Jul 25 15:58
DaemonFCThey're exempt!Jul 25 15:58
DaemonFCThey never had pollution control on them anyway, except maybe a catalytic converter and a PCV valve.Jul 25 15:59
DaemonFCYou buy a car today, it has like 25 things on the list that all have to be working, or no pass.Jul 25 15:59
XRevan86schestowitz: Russian beef with Wikipedia is over them giving information not approved by the Russian War Ministry.Jul 25 15:59
DaemonFCMeanwhile, the crooked Democrats let Stericycle, Medline, and the Waukegan Generating Plant gas us and spew out mercury and other air toxics.Jul 25 16:00
DaemonFCWhile they're worried about my gas tank burping out a little bit of fumes.Jul 25 16:00
DaemonFCIt's impossible to get the fucking thing to seal right, no matter what gas cap you use. Just the OEM ones tend to piss off the computer less often.Jul 25 16:01
DaemonFCIt looks like I'm going to have to take the car in to be emissions tested in January, and maybe fill 'er up and circle the block a bunch of times to put the system into "ready" mode and then fill it up again so the tank holds vacuum, and then get it tested.Jul 25 16:02
DaemonFCThat'll pass, but it does wonders for the air, you know, making me drive it 50 more miles so it won't remember the gas tank has a vapor leak somewhere.Jul 25 16:02
DaemonFCThe "check gas cap" light only tends to come on when it's really muggy out _and_ you're down at least a quarter of a tank.Jul 25 16:03
DaemonFCSo I can probably just keep topping her off on emissions test week and then run her down there and get it to pass and then have the light come back on after I get my sticker.Jul 25 16:04
DaemonFC"So help me you piece of shit, if you rat me out to these people you're going to the crushers! Do you hear me!?!?"Jul 25 16:04
DaemonFC:)Jul 25 16:04
DaemonFCThe "Green New Deal" people like Eric Sandeen of Red Hat can just "help the environment along" by getting an EV that fails every 60,000 miles or 5 years, and makes them turn part of the Earth into another car.Jul 25 16:07
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*schestowitz[TR2] backJul 25 16:25
schestowitz[TR2]britney: you got a compliment earlierJul 25 16:25
techuserwbJul 25 16:25
schestowitz[TR2]XRevan86: but Wikipedia is biaedJul 25 16:25
schestowitz[TR2]let's not let Russian liars distract from itJul 25 16:25
britneyschestowitz[TR2], i did?Jul 25 16:26
XRevan86> matey: its probably my imagination, but britney seems like the nicest person ive met in hereJul 25 16:26
schestowitz[TR2]the dit wars are always won by ther ownersJul 25 16:27
schestowitz[TR2]so on politics and corporations wikiepdia became a shamJul 25 16:27
britneythank you matey Jul 25 16:27
XRevan86schestowitz: I take biased over blatant lies any day.Jul 25 16:28
XRevan86I bring this up because of "russia bans wikipedia; it felt unfairly treated; which is likely partly true".Jul 25 16:30
XRevan86It doesn't take much to make Russia feel unfairly treated, just share videos from Bucha in March.Jul 25 16:31
XRevan86It's a "What happened on the Tiananmen Square in 1989" kind of thing. Is the CPC unfairly treated?Jul 25 16:32
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phanesDaemonFC, so when you gettin a new car?  that buick sounds like it's had itJul 25 17:42
DaemonFCI just bought it a few months ago.Jul 25 17:42
DaemonFCMeh, emissions problems are not unusual.Jul 25 17:42
DaemonFCThe computers are super sensitive about that stuff these days.Jul 25 17:42
DaemonFCThe government forces the check engine light to come on over things cars wouldn't have even bothered you about 20 years ago.Jul 25 17:43
DaemonFCMost of the time the engine light comes on, unless it's flashing, it means emissions.Jul 25 17:43
DaemonFCThe engine usually runs fine.Jul 25 17:43
phanesi never get that on the v8 challengerJul 25 17:44
DaemonFCThe system occasionally polls the fuel system to see if there's an absolutely perfect vacuum.Jul 25 17:44
phanestrade 'er in get one you'll never want a buick againJul 25 17:44
DaemonFCAnd anything from the gas cap on down can cause the light to come on.Jul 25 17:44
phanesive never had to have my challenger services outside of breaks and fluids in almost 5 yearsJul 25 17:45
DaemonFCWell, after 15 years, not everything seals perfectly and you start getting vacuum line leaks or something.Jul 25 17:45
phanes*servicedJul 25 17:45
DaemonFCIt's not unusual.Jul 25 17:45
DaemonFCMost of them aren't terribly expensive to fix, it's just annoying that you have to be down at the shop again.Jul 25 17:46
DaemonFCFinding them turns out to be most of the time spent.Jul 25 17:46
DaemonFCThey're so small that the computer will detect the leak before you start smelling gas fumes, usually.Jul 25 17:47
DaemonFCschestowitz, GNOME Web added HEVC support apparently.Jul 25 17:52
DaemonFCIn HTML 5.Jul 25 17:52
DaemonFCGuessing Safari probably did it and they had sites sending it.Jul 25 17:53
britneyDaemonFC, not apparently, HEVC support is definitely thereJul 25 17:57
phaneshow come those dont just get treated like any other codec?  like why is it part of the ui instead of a library package?Jul 25 17:59
DaemonFCGStreamer is plug-in based.Jul 25 18:00
techrights-newsEPO Monday: A Carnival of Law-Breaking Fluff, Even Celebration of Crime | Techrights ⚓ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini:// 25 18:00
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DaemonFCWebkitGTK can use or not use each codec.Jul 25 18:00
DaemonFCSo the only thing preventing HEVC support was a block at the engine level.Jul 25 18:01
schestowitz[TR2]hevc is patent trapJul 25 18:01
schestowitz[TR2]but ibm loves spwatsJul 25 18:01
schestowitz[TR2]ibm controls gnomeJul 25 18:01
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Porsches Postponed by Buggy Software Cost VW's CEO His Job - SlashdotJul 25 18:01
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britneyschestowitz[TR2], most gnome contributors are non corporate personal accountsJul 25 18:03
psydroid2for people who are employed by corporations but are pretending to be part of the independent "community"?Jul 25 18:05
Ariadnepocock's new domain: suicide.fyiJul 25 18:10
Ariadnehow edgyJul 25 18:10
DaemonFCAnything with "debian" in the name can be stolen by WIPO.Jul 25 18:14
DaemonFCThey could always GULAG him and threaten to sue him into the ground I guess.Jul 25 18:15
DaemonFCThey didn't like his postings, like the ones where he points out that Microsoft is funding Debian now.Jul 25 18:17
*Ariadne shrugJul 25 18:17
Ariadnewhen i had disagreement about the future direction of alpine, i joined together with others and made alpineJul 25 18:17
DaemonFCIt sounds like you'd be likely to run into incompatibility issues with Alpine.Jul 25 18:18
Ariadneer, debianJul 25 18:18
DaemonFCEven 15 years ago, Torvalds defended the size of glibc.Jul 25 18:19
Ariadnemy point is before alpine, there was debian.  there were disagreements, so we made alpine :)Jul 25 18:19
DaemonFCNo, 20 years ago even.Jul 25 18:20
DaemonFC 25 18:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Linus Torvalds - Re: [libc-alpha] Re: [open-source] Re: Wish for 2002Jul 25 18:20
Ariadnepocock is wasting his time on whatever this is, when he should apply his engineering talent to creating something betterJul 25 18:20
schestowitz[TR2]we're about to take the beta of tuxmachines live on alpineJul 25 18:21
schestowitz[TR2]regarding, it was a "new" siteJul 25 18:22
schestowitz[TR2]when he writes in his own site it's better syledJul 25 18:22
schestowitz[TR2]but over time the tone got worse and worseJul 25 18:22
schestowitz[TR2]even in 2020 I was unable to copy articles because of taste issueJul 25 18:22
schestowitz[TR2]but the attacks on his worsen itJul 25 18:23
schestowitz[TR2]and they don't seem to get itJul 25 18:23
schestowitz[TR2]prenning is now with archJul 25 18:23
schestowitz[TR2]vut still maintains a few things in debianJul 25 18:23
schestowitz[TR2]like kdeJul 25 18:23
schestowitz[TR2]not texliveJul 25 18:23
Ariadnefwiw i agree that debian as a project is a dumpster fireJul 25 18:24
Ariadneagain, i solved that by leaving :)Jul 25 18:24
schestowitz[TR2]china bases on debianJul 25 18:24
Ariadnestill have many friends there though, and not really impressed with pocock's harassment of themJul 25 18:24
schestowitz[TR2]can you imagine chinese dd and DPL?Jul 25 18:24
schestowitz[TR2]cannot criticise "party leader"Jul 25 18:24
DaemonFCDebian moves things around too much.Jul 25 18:25
DaemonFCThey ship with bizarre misconfigurations and announce forks that go dead and pile up security hazards quickly.Jul 25 18:25
DaemonFCLike that libav crap.Jul 25 18:25
Ariadnelibav was mostly gentoo's faultJul 25 18:25
DaemonFC"Oh, we'll fork ffmpeg and clean everything up." then it just sits there, and sits there.Jul 25 18:26
Ariadneanother dumpster fire, admittedlyJul 25 18:26
DaemonFCThe only thing they changed were the binary names, and then it rots and rots.Jul 25 18:26
Ariadnehmm, that's not really what happenedJul 25 18:26
DaemonFCffmpeg keeps adding codecs, libav rots some more and has another month with no security patches.Jul 25 18:26
Ariadneffmpeg merged frequently from libav and merged things that libav refused to mergeJul 25 18:26
Ariadnethis is a "fork control" tactic, and one which was effective in ffmpeg's caseJul 25 18:27
Ariadnewhat doomed libav in the end was that all the people who wanted to go sue people for major damages for GPL violations fell on that side of the forkJul 25 18:28
DaemonFCStallman did something similar with FSF emacs.Jul 25 18:28
Ariadnewhile ffmpeg reinvented its own imageJul 25 18:28
DaemonFCThey didn't want to accept code that wasn't assigned to them by Lucid.Jul 25 18:28
Ariadneyes, Stallman beat XEmacs by staying infront of itJul 25 18:28
DaemonFCSo they just implemented all of the same features eventually, in new code.Jul 25 18:28
Ariadneso basically libav became associated with litigation, while ffmpeg lost that association and gained corporate supportJul 25 18:29
techrights-ipfs-bot(ℹ) Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini:// and so far today at gemini:// with 3-day aggregate at gemini:// 25 18:30
Ariadnean example of how sue-happy libav was: they sued ffmpeg for "infringing" "their" logoJul 25 18:30
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Ariadneall michael had to do as ffmpeg maintainer was seed the thought -- they'll sue another FOSS project, they'll probably sue you tooJul 25 18:31
Ariadneand that killed libav deadJul 25 18:31
DaemonFC 25 18:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Libav - WikipediaJul 25 18:32
DaemonFClibav did a lot of nasty propaganda and made it hard for the user to have both installed on their system, deliberately.Jul 25 18:32
AriadneyesJul 25 18:32
DaemonFCI recall being very confused when I typed ffmpeg on an Ubuntu system and was told that ffmpeg was deprecated.Jul 25 18:33
DaemonFCThen I found out what was actually going on and was pretty pissed.Jul 25 18:33
Ariadneah yeah, `avconv` or whateverJul 25 18:34
DaemonFCShit changes all the time in Debian and Ubuntu, for no good reason.Jul 25 18:34
DaemonFCAnd then the user has to sort out the mess.Jul 25 18:34
Ariadnealpine stuck with ffmpegJul 25 18:34
techrights-newsUK Covid-19:Percent tested positive twice as bad as July 2021 and about 10 times worse than in July 2020! 25 18:35
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | [Meme] The EPO’s Great Leap Forward | TechrightsJul 25 18:35
DaemonFCMostly, forks are jsut bad all around.Jul 25 18:35
DaemonFCThey hurt everybody.Jul 25 18:35
techrights-newsAs EPO presidents, Benoît Battistelli and António Campinos have figured out a way to print more monopolies 25 18:35
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DaemonFCThey leave users stuck not knowing what to do with the trouble they cause.Jul 25 18:36
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matey <Ariadne> again, i solved that by leaving :) <- if debian is so terrible that people are dying as a result, you didnt solve that, you avoided it-- which is an acceptable move obviouslyJul 25 18:42
techrights-news"It has to be a real programming language, not a modelling one!" gemini:// 25 18:42
mateygiven the over-the-top nature of his writing, im certainly keeping watch for material that can debunk itJul 25 18:42
Ariadnematey: if debian is dying because of a self-inflicted wound, then the free market is working as intendedJul 25 18:42
schestowitz[TR2]it's still a shameJul 25 18:43
schestowitz[TR2]and a waste of effortJul 25 18:43
mateyi meant people literally dyingJul 25 18:43
Ariadnethe background is that pocock was caught supervising his girlfriend during Debian GSoC 2017Jul 25 18:43
schestowitz[TR2]ian died in 2016 iircJul 25 18:43
mateythe free market may not give a shit  about thatJul 25 18:43
Ariadnehis membership in debian was suspended as a result of thatJul 25 18:43
schestowitz[TR2]Ariadne: he denies thisJul 25 18:43
Ariadnehe can deny whatever he wantsJul 25 18:43
schestowitz[TR2]i think it might be fabricated as a projection tacticJul 25 18:44
mateypersonally i consider debian to be slave software, not free softwareJul 25 18:44
mateybut the level of (real) exploitation is certainly (and should be) up for debateJul 25 18:44
Ariadnei can say that alpine was designed to avoid many of the problems debian hasJul 25 18:44
Ariadne(in terms of governance)Jul 25 18:45
Ariadnepocock is smart, he could make his own distribution if he wantedJul 25 18:45
mateyhe wants to fight what he considers injusticeJul 25 18:45
Ariadnethis stuff is just masturbationJul 25 18:45
matey <Ariadne> this stuff is just masturbation <- he IS making people aware of issues. for me the question is whether his claims are wrongJul 25 18:46
mateyit certainly wont fix debian either. debian is going to remain like thisJul 25 18:46
mateytheres no reforming itJul 25 18:46
Ariadnethere is likely some truth to what he says, but there is a lot that he is intentionally misinterpreting in bad faith tooJul 25 18:47
mateyhe also seems really pisspoor at certain transparencyJul 25 18:47
mateyhe talks about volunteers workingJul 25 18:47
mateyimo he probably means himself, though there could be othersJul 25 18:47
mateyon his websiteJul 25 18:47
Ariadnehis website advocates swatting peopleJul 25 18:48
mateyi criticised him heavily for thatJul 25 18:48
mateyand as far as i know, that was just one personJul 25 18:48
mateywhich doesnt change the fact, but i wouldnt use the word people unless it was peopleJul 25 18:48
Ariadneencouraging the sending of police to somebody's home is basically the same as attacking them yourselfJul 25 18:49
mateyi suppose you can argue that as a blanket statement "singular 'people'" without technically being incorrect gramatically speakingJul 25 18:49
techrights-newsKubernetes Troubleshooting: Finding the Right Monitoring Solution - Container Journal ⚓ ䷉ Source: containerjournalJul 25 18:49
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mateyobviously he draws a boatload of criticismJul 25 18:50
Ariadnei think it is difficult to find any FOSS project that is approaching 30 years old that does not have skeletons in its closetJul 25 18:50
mateyand the criticism is often as difficult to sift through factwise as his own workJul 25 18:50
AriadneGNU has skeletons, Debian has skeletons, etcJul 25 18:51
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Ariadneeven Alpine has skeletonsJul 25 18:51
mateyi dont think gnu has anything remotely like debian in this regardJul 25 18:51
mateyhopefully alpine hasnt killed anyone yet. i certainly wouldnt assume it hasJul 25 18:51
schestowitz[TR2]debian has literal skeletonsJul 25 18:52
Ariadnei am willing to believe debian is not responsible for anyone's suicide until i see an actual suicide note saying as suchJul 25 18:52
schestowitz[TR2]same for epoJul 25 18:52
mateyniceJul 25 18:52
schestowitz[TR2]many suicides thereJul 25 18:52
mateyuntil i see an actual suicide note saying as such <- that seems like a double standardJul 25 18:52
Ariadnehow is that a double standardJul 25 18:52
mateywe know why near killed themselves. but if it wasnt (and may not be) in the suicide noteJul 25 18:52
Ariadnepocock asserts that Debian is responsible for Frans Pop's suicideJul 25 18:52
mateywould it need to be for us to know how it happened?Jul 25 18:52
Ariadnenear posted their suicide note on their twitterJul 25 18:53
mateywhat im saying isJul 25 18:53
Ariadneand explicitly identified kiwifarms as the causeJul 25 18:53
mateyyes Jul 25 18:53
mateybut if the note did not state thatJul 25 18:53
mateyit would still be clear enough what happenedJul 25 18:53
mateyno?Jul 25 18:53
Ariadnemy point is that i have yet to see any evidence other than hearsay from pocock to support the claimJul 25 18:54
mateyi certainly dont want to dwell on this point, if theres any dispute im happy to drop it-- likewise if you agree with the pointJul 25 18:54
matey my point is that i have yet to see any evidence other than hearsay from pocock to support the claim <- thats a fair point when put that wayJul 25 18:54
Ariadnei think that if we are to say debian is responsible for a suicide there should be stronger evidence than thatJul 25 18:54
mateyi dont assume all of pococks points are fair-- its hard to imagine Jul 25 18:54
mateythere should be stronger evidence than that <- thats the problem with how he words thingsJul 25 18:55
mateyhes too quick to draw the conclusionJul 25 18:55
mateyhe should present the evidence and state his feelingsJul 25 18:55
mateybut not pretend that OH THIS PROVES IT DOESNT ITJul 25 18:55
mateyits not proofJul 25 18:55
Ariadnethat's what i am sayingJul 25 18:55
mateywe agree on that at least to some degreeJul 25 18:55
mateyit decreases the value of his crusade at least partiallyJul 25 18:56
mateyyou can get interesting details from his work but now theres all this work to see what hes exaggerating, what hes right about, etcJul 25 18:56
DaemonFCNot just suicides.Jul 25 18:56
DaemonFCThe Debian cabal is causing heart attacks and car accidents too.Jul 25 18:56
mateyit would be nice if he was a little more helpful in this regard. he COULD be, most likelyJul 25 18:56
mateybut hes notJul 25 18:56
mateyits a drawbackJul 25 18:57
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mateythere were two things i disliked about his treatment of the person he suggested swattingJul 25 19:00
mateyone, is obviously that thing itselfJul 25 19:00
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mateyi dont think that can simply be excused, and i found it revoltingly hypocritical. just about the worst point in his campaignJul 25 19:00
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mateyid struggle to think of worseJul 25 19:00
mateybut the other point i didnt like was the way he exploited any mental health issues, which i think he didJul 25 19:01
mateyif he can draw a line to the relevance, maybe thats one thingJul 25 19:01
mateyi dont think he succeded in doing so, and this goes beyond poor tasteJul 25 19:01
mateyits just badJul 25 19:01
mateymention it if its truly relevant. otherwise wtfJul 25 19:02
mateythese are the lowest points in his work imoJul 25 19:02
mateyto say the least it wasnt directed at someone i admire or respect or could ever begin to trustJul 25 19:02
mateydoesnt really matter thoughJul 25 19:02
XRevan86DaemonFC: Is your opinion on Debian providing MariaDB over Oracle MariaDB the same?Jul 25 19:03
mateyi wish he had a little more finesse about itJul 25 19:03
DaemonFCEh, if it's a piece of crap like libav was...Jul 25 19:04
mateybut i dont think that will change. maybe he learned from that, maybe he didnt-- if he didnt he likely never willJul 25 19:04
XRevan86> Mostly, forks are just bad all around; They hurt everybody.Jul 25 19:04
AriadneXRevan86: in fairness, Debian did not put its weight behind MariaDB as an endorsement, like they did with gentoo on libavJul 25 19:04
XRevan86Ariadne: Didn't they?Jul 25 19:04
mateytheyre really good for pasta (personally i prefer chopsticks)Jul 25 19:04
Ariadneand, most distributions followed the MariaDB fork :)Jul 25 19:04
AriadneXRevan86: not really.  switching to MariaDB was much more lowkey :)Jul 25 19:05
mateyforced unity between people who will always be at odds can be worse than a forkJul 25 19:05
XRevan86Except Ubuntu, which causes a lot of pain.Jul 25 19:05
mateya fork is a divorce. staying married can hurt people tooJul 25 19:05
AriadneabsolutelyJul 25 19:05
phanesAriadne, how did this issue with pocock/debian start?  like what was the trigger?  I think everybody knows what he's doing now sucks, but I haven't heard from anyone what his beef actually isJul 25 19:05
DaemonFC 25 19:05
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XRevan86I wonder what made Ubuntu diverge from Debian regarding MariaDB.Jul 25 19:06
Ariadnephanes: his membership in debian was suspended for 6 months over an incident involving GSoC 2017Jul 25 19:06
matey(sometimes a fork is more of a mistress, but we wont go there)Jul 25 19:06
phanesive heard from some folks that he took up for appelbaum and was pushed out for itJul 25 19:06
XRevan86Do they have some special sympathy for Oracle?Jul 25 19:06
mateywhy isnt there a male word for (the male equivalent) of mistress Jul 25 19:06
DaemonFC<XRevan86> Do they have some special sympathy for Oracle?Jul 25 19:06
Ariadnephanes: it is *alleged* that pocock was supervising his girlfriend in GSoC 2017, and it put the entire Debian participation in GSoC 2017 at riskJul 25 19:06
mateyas in "man outside of marriage who was slept with"Jul 25 19:06
DaemonFCThey're a thrall of Microsoft.Jul 25 19:06
DaemonFCWhy would they not ship Oracle software?Jul 25 19:06
phanesAriadne, nepotism concerns?Jul 25 19:07
XRevan86matey: Didn't we discuss "favourites"? :)Jul 25 19:07
Ariadnephanes: rightJul 25 19:07
mateywe did, but ive still never heard that used in any context im aware of, everJul 25 19:07
mateythe usage may exist, i think its relevant that in decades ive never seen it in the wildJul 25 19:07
Ariadneanyway, since his membership was suspended, he decided to go after everyone else who was doing the same thing he was allegedly suspended forJul 25 19:08
mateyalso favourite isnt gendered. which is fine, only it doesnt completely satisfy what i was asking about eitherJul 25 19:08
XRevan86"Lover" is gender-neutral.Jul 25 19:08
Ariadnethat led to his expulsion from the projectJul 25 19:08
matey"lover" doesnt always imply infidelity, while mistress doesJul 25 19:08
mateylover is neutral in that regardJul 25 19:08
Ariadnefrom there it has just gotten more and more ridiculousJul 25 19:08
phanesAriadne, how is that distinguishable from chris lamb w/ de blanc?Jul 25 19:08
XRevan86matey: "Favourite" is heavy male-leaning.Jul 25 19:09
Ariadnewell, i do not think either of them were participating in GSoC 2017Jul 25 19:09
mateyamong zero uses ive actually seen in the english speaking worldJul 25 19:09
phanesok i just need to read it sounds likeJul 25 19:09
mateywhich includes your domicile, imoJul 25 19:09
mateyits part of the english speaking world obviouslyJul 25 19:09
Ariadnebut generally, i don't think it is appropriate for members of an executive body to be in personal relationships eitherJul 25 19:09
Ariadnein other words, one incident existing does not forgive the existence of another incidentJul 25 19:10
mateyit certainly causes problems for the organisationJul 25 19:10
mateyim not sure i sympathise with the organisation. as an ideal rule of thumb, we can be reasonable and at least hope high ranking people avoid thisJul 25 19:11
mateyi mean reasonable as opposed to "anything goes"Jul 25 19:11
phanesdepends on how the org handles itJul 25 19:12
phanespeople fall in loveJul 25 19:12
phanesthe solution is "one of you has to move to a different part of the org"Jul 25 19:12
mateypeople who are in a relationship, whether or not there are rules around itJul 25 19:12
phanesi dont think expelling people is right unless they refuse to relocateJul 25 19:13
mateyshould obviously make efforts to act with an absolute minimum of favouritism and-- i realise there will be biasesJul 25 19:13
mateyonly they should try to mitigate them at leastJul 25 19:13
mateyrather than ride them homeJul 25 19:13
Ariadnephanes: i think it is important to recognize that pocock was expelled because of his behavior *after* the incident, not because of the incident itselfJul 25 19:13
phaneswhat was that behaviour?Jul 25 19:14
Ariadnehe started doing what he is doing nowJul 25 19:14
Ariadneforwarding private mails to public lists, doxing people, etcJul 25 19:15
phanesits unfathomable to me that someone with that pedigree, standing, and skill level would slip off the rails just because he got called out on a conflict of interest with his partnerJul 25 19:15
Ariadneit is further alleged that his father passed away during all of this, and he was also dismissed from FSFE as a result of his debian suspensionJul 25 19:16
phanesok, that sounds closer to homeJul 25 19:16
phanesjust multiple crises all going on at onceJul 25 19:16
mateythe thing about his father passing seems to be what bothers him the mostJul 25 19:16
phanesyeah it fucks you upJul 25 19:17
phanesim still recovering from when my dad diedJul 25 19:17
phanesit changes everythingJul 25 19:17
mateyhe felt pressured and abused by debian regarding Jul 25 19:17
mateybasically the theme comes up over and overJul 25 19:17
mateyhe was trying to grieve and-- in his eyes, they were basically likeJul 25 19:17
mateypocock, if you cant get back to work we have to demote youJul 25 19:17
mateythen they didJul 25 19:17
Ariadneeither way, i don't think his current strategy is productive for improving software freedom or debianJul 25 19:17
mateyand he took it REALLY personallyJul 25 19:18
mateylike start a crusade personallyJul 25 19:18
mateysome of what ariadne is saying MAY (even factually) contradict this narrativeJul 25 19:18
mateyit seems pocock sincerely believes it though. or hes exploiting his own grief-- im not cynical enough to assume so.Jul 25 19:18
Ariadneno, that fits with my understanding -- that FSFE terminated him due to performanceJul 25 19:18
phanesive asked him directly before what's going on because he's showing signs of trauma response and he just kind of spins around in wordsJul 25 19:18
mateyhe's showing signs of trauma response and he just kind of spins around in words <- this is pocock to a teeJul 25 19:19
mateyive been trying to figure him out for yearsJul 25 19:19
mateyfor one because some of what he writes is so damning (of actually fucked up orgs)Jul 25 19:19
mateyhis work is usefulJul 25 19:19
phanesoh he's a valid threatJul 25 19:19
Ariadnethere is some truth to what he saysJul 25 19:19
mateyfor me, he was one of the first to shed light on... NO, this is NOT just fsfeJul 25 19:19
mateythis is fsf tooJul 25 19:20
matey <Ariadne> there is some truth to what he says <- whats so damned frustrating is how hard it is to sort the wheat from the... pink slimeJul 25 19:20
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Ariadnei just don't get why he wants to focus on this, when he could use his engineering skills to build new structuresJul 25 19:20
mateyid say he needs an editor... thats probably a somewhat naive solution (but is it really naive if you already realise it)Jul 25 19:21
matey<Ariadne> i just don't get why he wants to focus on this <- i think phanes has already intuited whyJul 25 19:21
phanesgrief and brilliance are a bad and powerful combinationJul 25 19:21
mateyyou hit the nail on the head with "trauma"-- grief can cause that, but i think fewer people will understand when its put in that termJul 25 19:22
Ariadneoh yes, there is definitely a trauma response happening with his work :pJul 25 19:22
mateyi think this goes beyond grief, and the grief was a trigger.Jul 25 19:22
mateybut it can also be part of the causeJul 25 19:22
Ariadnebut, i don't think most people care about who was sharing hotel rooms at debconf 6 years agoJul 25 19:22
phanesyeah i initially thought he had been targeted and was kind of thrashing in response but im not getting any indicator that this is the case and ive looked pretty hardJul 25 19:23
mateyi don't think most people care about who was sharing hotel rooms at debconf 6 years ago <- not unless it was (as pocock paints it)Jul 25 19:23
phanesthere was conflict w/ MDB at one pointJul 25 19:23
mateyan unholy alliance complete with blood sacrifice etc etc etcJul 25 19:23
mateytwo people in love, stomping through the fallen masses of their regime...Jul 25 19:23
Ariadnedamn, debconf must have gotten far more interesting since the last one i attendedJul 25 19:24
mateylaughing maniacallyJul 25 19:24
mateyplotting further acts of destructionJul 25 19:24
mateypartly im having a go at how he puts things, and partly im also having a go at lambJul 25 19:24
Ariadnei mean i get that this is basically "oh, i got caught supervising my girlfriend during GSoC, but look, lamby is sleeping with his treasurer"Jul 25 19:26
Ariadneand i will say that isn't a great lookJul 25 19:26
phanesnerds conjugate at these conventions far more than i thought, I actively avoid any kind of romantic interaction at them to avoid both image problems that can come from it and also it a bad signal read can make people uncomfortable and create a scene Jul 25 19:26
mateythe latter is difficult to ignoreJul 25 19:26
phaneslike why mix work and playJul 25 19:26
mateypocock paints this as helping debian, and hes free to do soJul 25 19:27
mateyi wouldnt be at all surprised if he believes itJul 25 19:27
Ariadnehe doesJul 25 19:27
mateyif i had to guess, he wants debian to burn to the ground, and i would like to feel noble about it being razedJul 25 19:27
phanesdebian really could use a change of the guard tbhJul 25 19:27
mateybut its also possible he really thinks it can be saved, and i think thats naive (but in a way thats obviously very common)Jul 25 19:27
Ariadneanyway, i have a meeting in 3 minutes and i need to restart my wayland session because pipewire is being annoyingJul 25 19:28
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phanesif they put neil mcgovern's head on a spike in the front yard with no explanation that would probably go a long way to restoring debian imoJul 25 19:29
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phanes"vladian justice"Jul 25 19:29
XRevan86Ariadne: Portal stuff?Jul 25 19:30
phanesschestowitz[TR2], was MDB made president of the OSI -after- the Stallman campaign?Jul 25 19:35
phanesno, neverind, doesn't line upJul 25 19:38
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schestowitz[TR2]got the irc bot updated for the beta siteJul 25 20:05
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AriadneXRevan86: no, i use bluetooth in-ear monitors, and everytime i turn them on, pipewire gets moody and needs to be restartedJul 25 21:21
Ariadnepulseaudio did not have this problem ;/Jul 25 21:22
MinceRi see the CADT development model is working out as usual :>Jul 25 21:25
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XRevan86Ariadne: What is this in-ear monitor thing ye speak of?Jul 25 21:43
AriadneXRevan86: i have two, both have bugs with pipewire -- a pair of airpods pro, and some samsung one that i rarely use because it's even buggierJul 25 21:45
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Ariadneboth work just fine with pulseaudioJul 25 21:45
XRevan86Fine, I'll look up what that is.Jul 25 21:50
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mateyhabitually they also misplace blame (offloading culpability for malware to "Linux") in order to shift the public's attention, partly because GNU/Linux and BSD are optimal alternatives for security-minded governments/enterprisesJul 25 23:04
mateyif im not mistaken, roy said bsd is an optimal alternative for security-minded governments/enterprisesJul 25 23:05
mateyive never been an enterprise before. i considered myself more of a defiantJul 25 23:05
mateybut unlike the defiant, i have a docking portJul 25 23:06
bagiramatey, im in enterprise (fortune list only consultant)Jul 25 23:11
bagirahe's rightJul 25 23:11
mateyfunJul 25 23:11
mateyoh yeahJul 25 23:11
mateyits justJul 25 23:11
bagiramost corporate environments that are security sensitive use linuxJul 25 23:11
bagiraalmost none use bsdJul 25 23:11
mateywhyJul 25 23:12
bagirasome use windows and invariably shift to linux for hosted servicesJul 25 23:12
bagiraits not cost, rhel is the dominant player in that space and it costs pretty decentJul 25 23:12
bagiraits just better to manage with many hostsJul 25 23:12
bagiraand it is more secureJul 25 23:12
mateylinux is more secure than bsd?Jul 25 23:13
bagirawindows environments are usually full of holes both for infosec and config mgmtJul 25 23:13
mateyi think we are talking about two diferent thingsJul 25 23:13
mateyor at least two slightly different thingsJul 25 23:13
bagirano bsd isnt widely used because its ecosystem of components and management tools is much smallerJul 25 23:13
mateyit would have helped (this is no fault of yours) if youd known the context of my first comment on this topicJul 25 23:14
bagirait just wont fit into a corporate systems config mgmgt or it security modelJul 25 23:14
bagirawindows is actually a better choice than bsd for most corporate environments with many machines runningJul 25 23:14
bagiranot because the os is better (it isn't) but because it costs less to run large scale when you look at staffing overhead and equipmentJul 25 23:15
mateywell youve just guaranteed my next year will be unpleasantJul 25 23:15
bagirawhy's thatJul 25 23:16
mateybecause ever since i moved to bsd roy has slagged it off over the most ridiculous (even made up) things he can give his hands onJul 25 23:16
mateyyou basically just provided him with a nuclear arsenal for trollingJul 25 23:16
bagiralolJul 25 23:16
bagiraim not saying i would use windowsJul 25 23:16
mateyits not your fault for saying what you think is true based on your professional knowledgeJul 25 23:16
bagirai only use it when the client wont budgeJul 25 23:16
bagiraii reliably turn down jobs that require the use of azure for anything other than managed native servicesJul 25 23:17
mateyyeahJul 25 23:17
mateybut note what hes saying here at least:Jul 25 23:18
matey"because GNU/Linux and BSD are optimal alternatives for security-minded governments/enterprises"Jul 25 23:18
mateyhes actually saying bsd is "optimal" for governments and enterpriseJul 25 23:18
bagiranot at scaleJul 25 23:18
mateywhat i intended to do Jul 25 23:18
mateywas tease him about saying something positive about bsd when he slags it off so muchJul 25 23:18
mateyi was already aware of the marketshare issueJul 25 23:19
matey it just wont fit into a corporate systems config mgmgt or it security model <- some of this is because the model is written around windows and gnu/linux in the first placeJul 25 23:19
mateyhow much? i dont know.Jul 25 23:20
mateybut i think its fair to sayJul 25 23:20
mateythe whole point of microsoft getting into training and a+ and all that, is to make it so you have to know windows to get those credentialsJul 25 23:20
mateythen the ecosystem expects this as a standardJul 25 23:21
mateybut again, how much of this is circular/authoritarian/marketing-determined standards and how much is actually good common sense / security is up for debate obviouslyJul 25 23:21
mateyit isnt my intention to get into such a debate, only to sayJul 25 23:21
bagirauntil they can get ansible running well on it, comprehensively, and easily available, and get paid support that comes even close to what rhel provides, bsd doesn't have a chance in corporate or gov outside of small envs, and wont have that "interface" to corporationsJul 25 23:21
mateythis will make the next year unpleasantJul 25 23:22
matey and get paid support that comes even close to what rhel provides, bsd doesn't have a chance in corporate or gov outside of small envs <- that isnt shocking to meJul 25 23:22
bagirai dont like ansible btwJul 25 23:22
mateythe market is designed around products more than the other way aroundJul 25 23:22
bagiraim just saying, if you want to sell an os to corporate, you need paid support and you need ansibleJul 25 23:22
mateythe tail wags the dogJul 25 23:22
bagirayesJul 25 23:22
bagirai feel the same way about microservice architectureJul 25 23:22
mateyif you want to sell an os to corporate <- fortunately this is neither one of my ambitions, nor the reason i promote bsdJul 25 23:23
mateyits almost (not quite) like saying "it doesnt matter how nice the dress is, if she wants it in pink and you dont have that, she isnt interested"Jul 25 23:23
bagirawell, i mean, you said corporate and gov. Jul 25 23:24
mateywhich is a sound argument if she wants pink and you dont have that.Jul 25 23:24
mateyyou said corporate and gov. <- true but only in a quoteJul 25 23:24
mateyand then a responseJul 25 23:24
bagiramost corps and govs would rather pay for something than get it for freeJul 25 23:24
bagirabecause then someone is on the hook for itJul 25 23:24
mateythat doesnt surprise me eitherJul 25 23:24
mateyyeahJul 25 23:24
mateyi meanJul 25 23:24
mateythe dod can ignore both patents and copyrightJul 25 23:24
mateythey can legally do wtf they wantJul 25 23:24
mateythey go to other countries and kill lots of peopleJul 25 23:24
matey"oh shit! but we arent following the gpl license for this missile!"Jul 25 23:25
mateybut like you sayJul 25 23:25
mateythey want someone they can blame Jul 25 23:25
mateyand its easy to buy thatJul 25 23:25
matey"oh shit! but we arent following the gpl license for this missile!" <- one of many reasons ethical source is such tripeJul 25 23:25
mateyits a a copyright license and they arent bound to itJul 25 23:26
mateybut they get more than a license when they buy somethingJul 25 23:26
mateythey get a service contractJul 25 23:27
mateythats where the money isJul 25 23:27
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bagirayep red hat is a services company not a product companyJul 25 23:31
mateydisservicesJul 25 23:32
mateysystemd-servicesdJul 25 23:33
mateysystemd-take-off-every-zig-move-zigdJul 25 23:33
matey/me hasnt checked if it works this wayJul 25 23:34
mateybut one thing they havent done with doom yes is run it in pid 1 with systemd as a serviceJul 25 23:34
mateyi somehow doubt it runs services in the same pid of course-- the only issue its such a giant ridiculous thing to have there in the first placeJul 25 23:35
mateypid-doom-1Jul 25 23:35
mateydoom as a serviceJul 25 23:35
bagirawait until those idiots at systemd start trying to integrate wayland-gnome into systemdJul 25 23:35
bagiratheyre prob goign to try to push out all other desktops and force user choiceJul 25 23:36
mateygnomeosJul 25 23:36
mateyxfce is already gnomes bitchJul 25 23:36
mateythey didnt volunteer, gnome are arseholesJul 25 23:36
mateyi call everything like that arseholewareJul 25 23:36
mateyits not because the devs are arseholesJul 25 23:36
bagirayeah that shit needs isolated to its own little bubbleJul 25 23:36
mateyits becauese the software itself acts like an arseholeJul 25 23:37
mateyit needs antigravs attached and beamed into space like nomadJul 25 23:37
mateyI AM SYSTEMD. I AM PERFECT.Jul 25 23:37
mateywho am i?Jul 25 23:37
bagiralolJul 25 23:37
mateyYOU ARE THE LENNART.Jul 25 23:37
mateyim not the lennart! you made an error!Jul 25 23:37
mateyError! Error! Must... Analyse...Jul 25 23:38
mateyyou failed to recognise the error, you made TWO errors!Jul 25 23:38
mateyERoorrr! errRor!Jul 25 23:38
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bagiraya know i dont think ive ever seen a worse product than red hat certificate systemJul 25 23:38
mateyexecute your prime function!Jul 25 23:38
mateymaybe windows itselfJul 25 23:38
mateybut a lot of these product lines-- trying to rank them its own game of cards against humanityJul 25 23:39
bagiraits not that its over-engineered its that its so poorly understood by its own developers and technical writersJul 25 23:39
mateycards against technologyJul 25 23:39
matey#techrights : 07/25/22 22:39 <bagira> <- im gonna go out on a limb and say these are connected somehowJul 25 23:39
mateyits not that its over-engineered its that its so poorly understood by its own developers <- this i meanJul 25 23:40
DaemonFCYou came here to deadname and get Matt GULAG fired up, and you're unfortunately no all out of Matt GULAGs.Jul 25 23:40
DaemonFC*notJul 25 23:40
bagirahm? im not trackingJul 25 23:41
mateyif you overengineer it... youll be stumpedJul 25 23:41
DaemonFCThere is still one Matt GULAG  here.Jul 25 23:42
DaemonFCWhich is one Mr. GULAG too many.Jul 25 23:42
DaemonFCDo not feed Mr. GULAG.Jul 25 23:42
bagiralolJul 25 23:42
mateyi realise that overengineering has other more prominent connotationsJul 25 23:42
mateyand at least in some instances may not lead to a system no one understandsJul 25 23:42
mateybut overengineering is harder, and might be done poorlyJul 25 23:43
mateyand at that point you are indeed fuckedJul 25 23:43
DaemonFCPeople who actually use the term "deadnaming" should be court ordered to wear a shock collar that goes off every time they say the word.Jul 25 23:43
mateylinus could not fork linux on his own anymoreJul 25 23:43
mateyhe doesnt even know how it worksJul 25 23:43
mateyhis own admissionJul 25 23:43
bagiraeh give it time, he'll either grow or fail, he's not a particularly difficult task, just a tedious one.  he's really quite shallow imo.Jul 25 23:43
bagiragulag i meanJul 25 23:43
mateynot a scandal, but surely it says somethingJul 25 23:43
DaemonFCI get bumping Linux to C11, but putting Rust in it is unfortunate.Jul 25 23:44
DaemonFCThose idiots that wanted to put C++ in it came back and did something even worse.Jul 25 23:44
mateygulag is obviously the most oversophisticated webcrawler in the worldJul 25 23:44
bagirathe trick to guys like gulag DaemonFC is that when they run into one of their own they're so used to browbeating "the little people" in their view that they dont know what's going on and thing just jam up alotJul 25 23:44
DaemonFCAnd now they'll write spaghetti code that takes a million hours and a bajillion gigaquads of RAM to even compile.Jul 25 23:44
bagiramost people in this space don't make names for themselves at all let alone off the bodies of better peopleJul 25 23:45
DaemonFCThe key to attacking people who don't want to deal with Rust is accuse them of transphobia.Jul 25 23:45
mateywhy notJul 25 23:45
DaemonFCAnother word where the shock collar should activate.Jul 25 23:45
DaemonFCSeaMonkey is having a lot of problems due to Mozilla's use of Rust.Jul 25 23:46
DaemonFCStylo and WebRender don't work at all and have been disabled for the time being.Jul 25 23:46
Ariadnei think gccrs will make rust a lot more tolerableJul 25 23:46
DaemonFCWhich is okay for now, because the Rust code isn't THAT MUCH better than the C++ version it replaced, performance-wise, with Stylo.Jul 25 23:47
bagiraDaemonFC, its unfortunate what crying wolf results inJul 25 23:47
mateyit would be nice if they made it stable Jul 25 23:47
mateyso it was less like a webapi posing as a programming languageJul 25 23:47
Ariadnebut a lot of memory safety issues in C can be detected by modern compilersJul 25 23:47
DaemonFCMissing WebRender is unfortunate because SeaMonkey picks up a lot of jank from having to deal with X11.Jul 25 23:47
bagirayeah it just seems like a waste to invent a new language when we just needed more attention to project structure and preprocessorJul 25 23:48
Ariadnei also think that stuff like MMIO does not map well to rust's memory modelJul 25 23:48
DaemonFCWhat you're seeing, performance wise, when SeaMonkey stutters a little, is more likely than not to be XWayland issues.Jul 25 23:48
mateyi dont think its ever a waste to create a new languageJul 25 23:48
Ariadneseems like a lot of kernel code would be `unsafe{}`Jul 25 23:48
DaemonFCThere's some sites that are starting to fall apart in SeaMonkey.Jul 25 23:48
mateybut its a waste to use it to try to take over everything elseJul 25 23:48
DaemonFCI can't browse gitlab repos with it.Jul 25 23:48
mateymincer pwned mjg really hard (at least in terms of rhetoric)Jul 25 23:49
Ariadneanyway, rust is nice to program in for *new* thingsJul 25 23:49
mateymjg said you couldnt do memory safe in other languagesJul 25 23:49
DaemonFCMatt J. GULAG.....suuuuuuuper genius. Jul 25 23:49
Ariadneas in, the language has nice ergonomicsJul 25 23:49
mateymincer said he would take turing completeness over memory safe anydayJul 25 23:49
DaemonFCmateymjg said you couldnt do memory safe in other languagesJul 25 23:49
DaemonFCIf you know what you're doing, you can.Jul 25 23:49
mateynice ergonomics are niceJul 25 23:49
AriadneDaemonFC: you can't do provable memory safety in any language with UBJul 25 23:50
mateybut the way a lot of people put rust together with chewing gum and duct tape, some of the ergonomics are lostJul 25 23:50
DaemonFCBesides, in Rust you don't always have memory safety.Jul 25 23:50
matey"this is a nice way to bolt 200 random things together"Jul 25 23:50
Ariadnepractical memory safety is another story, of courseJul 25 23:50
matey"what are you building?"Jul 25 23:50
matey"a yes / no dialogue"Jul 25 23:50
Ariadnebut the interesting story about rust is the verifierJul 25 23:50
Ariadneand it can verify a lot of things other than memory safetyJul 25 23:50
Ariadnefor example, rust is good for writing emulatorsJul 25 23:50
DaemonFCSaying you're memory safe in Rust because you can do 80% of all that's possible without invoking unsafe is ridiculous.Jul 25 23:50
Ariadnebecause you can develop against constraintsJul 25 23:51
DaemonFCBecause it's always that other 20%.Jul 25 23:51
Ariadneand the compiler is smart enough to check your workJul 25 23:51
DaemonFCSo maybe you're better at keeping track of WHERE the hazards are likely to be.Jul 25 23:51
DaemonFCbut that's it.Jul 25 23:51
Ariadnedoes not mean i think rust is the answer to all problems though :)Jul 25 23:51
mateyif anything its the cause of manyJul 25 23:51
DaemonFCYou could create some subset of C or some other language that uses C that manages the nasty bits for you.Jul 25 23:51
bagirai think the whole approach is wrong if they want to replace c.  they need to start with a kernel and replace the c layer, and writing language bindings for c to sit on top of itJul 25 23:52
DaemonFCIn fact, that's what Vala is.Jul 25 23:52
mateybut c makes you think like a pdp, manJul 25 23:52
bagiramatey, pig in a pope hat?Jul 25 23:52
matey :)Jul 25 23:52
DaemonFCI agree that nobody using a modern language should have to worry about reference counting, garbage collection, etc.Jul 25 23:53
DaemonFCVala sends that all off to GObject.Jul 25 23:53 25 23:53
matey"Does the pope shit in his hat?" -Hank Schrader (Breaking Bad) 4. Share. Report Save. level 1 · 8 yr. ago. Does a hobby horse have a wooden dick? 3. Share. Report Save. level 1 · 8 yr. ago "Is the pope's ass watertight?" (My mom tends to jumble phrases together.)Jul 25 23:53
MinceRany code written in SIMPLE is memory safeJul 25 23:54
Ariadnethe big deal about rust isn't the memory safety -- rust isn't even the first language to have memory safetyJul 25 23:54
MinceRit doesn't do anything, but considering most "modern" software, that's rarely a disadvantageJul 25 23:54
MinceRrust is a bondage-and-discipline language with no free implementation, controlled by MICROS~1Jul 25 23:54
Ariadnethe big deal is that you get all of the infrastructure you would expect of an ML descendantJul 25 23:55
Ariadnebut with syntax that is easy for people to pick up verses MLJul 25 23:55
Ariadnethe fact that you can define a model, and code against it, and have the compiler check your work, and this is available in a language that isn't Haskell or F#, e.g. one that normal people can use, is a huge dealJul 25 23:56
DaemonFCAmusingly, it's almost always Microsoft sites that fail to work or something in SeaMonkey.Jul 25 23:56
DaemonFCI've created a collection of fake useragents for those.Jul 25 23:56
mateygiven that i dont care per seJul 25 23:56
mateywhats wrong with haskell?Jul 25 23:56