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techrights-bot" #Huawei started testing a third beta version of HarmonyOS earlier this month and it has another one on the way. This upcoming version will arrive on March 31 and it will be the final beta." https://www.gsmarena.com/harmonyos_stable_will_launch_in_april_the_huawei_mate_x2_will_be_the_first_to_get_it-news-48394.phpMar 27 00:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-HarmonyOS will officially launch in April, the Huawei Mate X2 will be the first to get it - GSMArena.com newsMar 27 00:57
techrights-bot"'559 patent generally relates to a system and method for delivering media content" = #swpats = #fakepatents https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2021/3/26/1000-awarded-for-ryujin-llc-prior-art #uspto #ptabMar 27 00:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.unifiedpatents.com | $1,000 Awarded for Ryujin LLC prior art — Unified PatentsMar 27 00:57
techrights-bot"Here, WPEM filed an infringement action against SOTI, but later dismissed the action after learning that the #patent claims were very likely invalid." https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/03/litigation-investigation-validity.htmlMar 27 00:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | Pre-Litigation Investigation of Patent Validity | Patently-OMar 27 00:57
techrights-bot#linuxfoundation lies and revisionism: the #gnu #linux operating system did not start 30 years ago but 38 years ago. It was called GNU. https://www.linux.com/news/celebrate-30-years-of-linux-with-training-certification-offer/Mar 27 00:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Celebrate 30 Years of Linux With Training & Certification Offer - Linux.comMar 27 00:58
schestowitzdodgy companyMar 27 00:58
schestowitzbut say "COVID" and they approve anywayMar 27 00:58
schestowitz(Pfizer)Mar 27 00:58
schestowitzMako-Hill: "The current situation makes me unbelievably sad."Mar 27 00:58
techrights-bot#Livepatch 2021-03-24 incident investigation report https://ubuntu.com//blog/livepatch-2021-03-24-incident-investigation-report #security #canonical #ubuntuMar 27 00:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Livepatch 2021-03-24 incident investigation report | UbuntuMar 27 00:58
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schestowitzone minor additionMar 27 01:00
schestowitzwhich I think is importantMar 27 01:00
schestowitz a top editor of the anti-RMS petition is Azure/IBM staffMar 27 01:00
schestowitzworking on Microsoft AzureMar 27 01:00
schestowitzElana Hashman (OSI)Mar 27 01:00
schestowitzthird biggest contributorMar 27 01:00
schestowitznot sure who Joan Touzet Mar 27 01:00
schestowitzbut might be worth digging into itMar 27 01:00
techrights-bot#epo #corruption #crime #injustice : "In other words, either the EPO President already knows the outcome of G1/21 or he is being outrageously reckless with applicant’s time and money. There is simply no plausible alternative explanation. This makes me want to puke!" http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/03/21/teleworking-is-there-to-stay-at-the-european-patent-office/#commentsMar 27 01:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | Teleworking is there to stay at the European Patent Office - Kluwer Patent BlogMar 27 01:03
techrights-botMore buzzwords instead of real job titles https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/what-is-mlops-machine-learning-operations-explained/Mar 27 01:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.freecodecamp.org | What is MLOps? Machine Learning Operations ExplainedMar 27 01:04
techrights-botChristian Hergert: A Piece+Tree (Augmented B+Tree) https://blogs.gnome.org/chergert/2021/03/26/bplustree_augmented_piecetable/ #freesw #gtk #gnomeMar 27 01:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.gnome.org | A Piece+Tree (Augmented B+Tree) – Zen and the Art of GNOMEMar 27 01:04
techrights-bot"Gosh, second octant already! Well, let’s take a look at the big things that happened in #KDE on #FreeBSD in these six-and-a-half weeks." https://euroquis.nl//kde/2021/03/26/freebsd2021o2.htmlMar 27 01:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-euroquis.nl | KDE on FreeBSD 2021o2 | [bobulate]Mar 27 01:04
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techrights-botNZXT Kraken Driver Queued For Introduction In Linux 5.13 https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NZXT-Kraken-For-Linux-5.13 #kernel #linuxMar 27 01:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-NZXT Kraken Driver Queued For Introduction In Linux 5.13 - PhoronixMar 27 01:04
techrights-botThis Linux Foundation Newsletter is powered by #microsoft #windows !!!! https://www.linux.com/news/linux-foundation-newsletter-march-2021-tux-turns-30-supporting-asian-communities-and-racial-justice-lfx-updates/ see http://techrights.org/2020/06/22/proprietary-iis-and-windows-foundation/Mar 27 01:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux Foundation Newsletter March 2021: Tux Turns 30, Supporting Asian Communities and Racial Justice, LFX Updates - Linux.comMar 27 01:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation Newsletter is Microsoft Windows and Proprietary IIS | TechrightsMar 27 01:05
techrights-bot#GNOME Board Members Must Resign In Disgrace http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149083?page=1#comment-28849Mar 27 01:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Good News! Richard Stallman is Back at Free Software Foundation | Tux MachinesMar 27 01:06
techrights-botRoundup: Librem 5, Precursor, Fedora, Gentoo, Nemo Mobile, and GNOME 40 • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149283 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMar 27 01:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Roundup: Librem 5, Precursor, Fedora, Gentoo, Nemo Mobile, and GNOME 40 | Tux MachinesMar 27 01:06
CrystalMathit's exactly this kind of crap that alienates conversatives from linux and free softwareMar 27 01:07
CrystalMathand it's disgustingMar 27 01:07
MinceRwhich one?Mar 27 01:08
CrystalMath"Linux Foundation Newsletter March 2021: Tux Turns 30, Supporting Asian Communities and Racial Justice"Mar 27 01:08
MinceRoicMar 27 01:09
MinceRi don't even understand itMar 27 01:09
MinceRi was given the impression that renaming the master branch to "main" solved racism alreadyMar 27 01:09
CrystalMaththey did?Mar 27 01:10
CrystalMathgosh, i'm ashamed to run linuxMar 27 01:10
MinceRwell, that was the purpose, wasn't it?Mar 27 01:10
CrystalMathno i mean they changed the branch name?Mar 27 01:10
CrystalMathwell you know, i can still rename it locallyMar 27 01:10
CrystalMathhere it will always be masterMar 27 01:10
CrystalMathi don't tolerate mainMar 27 01:11
MinceRso far i've heard it was changed in shithub, gitlab and there is an option to specify the default in gitMar 27 01:11
MinceRbut the default wasn't changed yet in gitMar 27 01:11
techrights-bot#Android Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149282Mar 27 01:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesMar 27 01:11
MinceRi've set it to 'master' though, just to be sureMar 27 01:11
CrystalMathoh, i meant linux's branchMar 27 01:11
MinceRi don't know about thatMar 27 01:11
CrystalMathumm torvalds/linux still has masterMar 27 01:11
CrystalMaththat must be why there's still slavery in the world :/Mar 27 01:12
MinceRsounds like they changed it in shithub and gitlab for nothing :(Mar 27 01:12
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CrystalMathsuperkuh: you can now sign the pro-RMS petition without githubMar 27 01:12
*MinceR gives voice to superkuhMar 27 01:12
CrystalMathalso, it has more signatures nowMar 27 01:12
superkuhEh, I've moved on. I'm writing code instead.Mar 27 01:13
schestowitzI saw thatMar 27 01:13
schestowitzsuperkuh: goodMar 27 01:13
schestowitzI try the sameMar 27 01:13
schestowitzand we have some articles on patents comingMar 27 01:13
superkuhNo one else is going to fix gtkfilechooser.Mar 27 01:13
schestowitzthere are now more pro-RMS articles then anti- anywayMar 27 01:13
schestowitzsuperkuh: gtk3?Mar 27 01:13
superkuhYes.Mar 27 01:14
*MinceR gives voice to aindilis cubexyz cybrNaut DVulgarisMar 27 01:14
*MinceR gives voice to liberty_box libertybox mmu_manMar 27 01:14
schestowitzjoindisapora is downMar 27 01:16
schestowitzrareMar 27 01:16
schestowitzsuperkuh: if it makes you feel any better, you're not missing any newsMar 27 01:16
schestowitzit's a phony old one, a phony scandalMar 27 01:16
schestowitzGNOME Foundation-ledMar 27 01:17
schestowitzMaybe Neil wants a job at Microsoft like his predecessorMar 27 01:17
schestowitztwo of themMar 27 01:17
MinceRNeil before me!Mar 27 01:17
schestowitzURL: https://joindiaspora.com/mentions  Connection to Server RefusedMar 27 01:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-JoinDiaspora* - Sign inMar 27 01:18
schestowitzhmmm...Mar 27 01:18
schestowitzmaybe cert relatedMar 27 01:18
schestowitzAdditional Information: joindiaspora.com: SSL negotiation failedMar 27 01:18
schestowitzoh joyMar 27 01:18
schestowitzI feel sssssssssssssssso much safer nowMar 27 01:19
*ephemer0l_ is now known as GeneralDiscourseMar 27 01:19
*GeneralDiscourse is now known as ephemer0lMar 27 01:20
techrights-bot#Firefly shines a light on RK3568 with a module and dev kit http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149285#comment-28851Mar 27 01:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Firefly Station P2 mini PC coming soon with RK3568 processor and Android and Ubuntu support | Tux MachinesMar 27 01:20
techrights-bot#Nextcloud offers content creation setup on ARM platform http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149215#comment-28852 #gnu #linuxMar 27 01:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Canonical, Collabora, and Nextcloud Deliver Work From Home Solution to Raspberry Pi Users | Tux MachinesMar 27 01:21
techrights-bot#Wine 6.5 Release • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149284 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMar 27 01:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Wine 6.5 Release | Tux MachinesMar 27 01:21
schestowitz[01:07] <CrystalMath> it's exactly this kind of crap that alienates conversatives from linux and free softwareMar 27 01:21
schestowitznot just conservativesMar 27 01:21
schestowitzthat's misframing the situationMar 27 01:21
schestowitzLF meddling in politicsMar 27 01:22
schestowitzno matter which wing or leaning, it's not necessaryMar 27 01:22
schestowitzas an org, not personal capacityMar 27 01:22
schestowitzbut worse:Mar 27 01:22
schestowitzLF enables very racist companiesMar 27 01:22
schestowitzand monopoliesMar 27 01:22
schestowitzwhile pretending to be liberalMar 27 01:22
schestowitzand that in turn infuriates some progressives tooMar 27 01:22
schestowitzthey're like the "corporate liberalism"Mar 27 01:23
schestowitz"we bomb with love..."Mar 27 01:23
schestowitz"we meant well... and became rich"Mar 27 01:23
techrights-botKDE: Okular, FreeBSD, and #Krita • 𝓣𝓾𝔁 𝓜𝓪𝓬𝓱𝓲𝓷𝓮𝓼 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149289 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMar 27 01:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE: Okular, FreeBSD, and Krita | Tux MachinesMar 27 01:24
schestowitzexample:Mar 27 01:24
schestowitz1) LF outsources o Github, which serves ICEMar 27 01:24
schestowitz2) LF whitewashes IBM, the most racist tech company in history. LF makes them seem anti-racist.Mar 27 01:24
schestowitz3) LF employs no blacksMar 27 01:24
schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/06/14/linux-foundation-with-zero-african-american-employees-in-a-country-where-13-4-identify-as-african-american-boasts-about-its-support-for-the-black-community/Mar 27 01:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation, With Zero African-American Employees (in a Country Where 13.4% Identify as African-American), Boasts About Its “Support for the Black Community” | TechrightsMar 27 01:25
schestowitzlike the "limousine liberals" who have no black friendsMar 27 01:25
schestowitzand love blacks, as long as they don't live in the same rich neighbourhoodMar 27 01:25
schestowitzthat's LFMar 27 01:25
techrights-bot#OpenSUSE Hackweek and Progress • 𝓣𝓾𝔁 𝓜𝓪𝓬𝓱𝓲𝓷𝓮𝓼 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149290 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMar 27 01:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OpenSUSE Hackweek and Progress | Tux MachinesMar 27 01:26
techrights-botToday’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149288 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMar 27 01:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesMar 27 01:26
lockeanarchistif I'm not mistaken, one MS LF representative as giving an "idea" of ending with linux mailing lists, saying that MLs are a barrier to entry, to use a more "intuitive" alternative(Github?).Mar 27 01:28
schestowitzyssMar 27 01:28
schestowitzwe wrote many articles about thisMar 27 01:28
schestowitzthe first one was this: http://techrights.org/2020/08/27/outsourcing-linux-to-microsoft-github/Mar 27 01:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Warning: Microsoft Tim and Microsoft’s New Mole Inside ‘Linux’ Foundation Board (a Paid-For Seat) Liaise to Outsource Linux Development to Microsoft’s Proprietary Software Trap | TechrightsMar 27 01:28
schestowitzsome techrights readers were alarmed and asked for helpMar 27 01:29
schestowitzfearing they would be pushed to hack in linux using a Microsoft accountMar 27 01:29
schestowitzTorvalds cannot say muchMar 27 01:29
schestowitzthey're his bosses (Board) nowMar 27 01:29
schestowitzthey might even end up starting petitions for rage mobs, calling him sexist in github or somethingMar 27 01:30
techrights-botGNOME 40 on the PinePhone [Martijn Braam / YouTube] http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149238#comment-28853Mar 27 01:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The New GNOME 40 Release Video is Seriously Slick [Watch] | Tux MachinesMar 27 01:30
techrights-botWine 6.5 Is Released With OpenCL 1.2 And 25 Bug-Fixes http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149284#comment-28855Mar 27 01:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Wine 6.5 Release | Tux MachinesMar 27 01:30
lockeanarchistOne thing that alarmed me last year was that WSL2 ML directx kernel patch. NVidia could easily kill ML development in Linux pushing all linux ml developers to WSL2Mar 27 01:31
techrights-botJust to note: the third most prolific person in the anti-RMS petition (dealing with about 100 signatures works on #microsoft Azure...). Yes, Microsoft... the most prolific one (Neil) is preceded by TWO people who went to work at Microsoft for huge salaries.Mar 27 01:32
techrights-bot#Gadgets : Librem 5 and #RaspberryPi 400 Turned "Data Blaster" • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149287 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMar 27 01:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Gadgets: Librem 5 and Raspberry Pi 400 Turned "Data Blaster" | Tux MachinesMar 27 01:33
techrights-bot#antiX -bullseye-alpha2 iso files available. 64 bit only • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149286 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMar 27 01:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | antiX-bullseye-alpha2 iso files available. 64 bit only | Tux MachinesMar 27 01:33
techrights-botThe Halloween Documents from #microsoft explain a lot of what we've seen this past week in the anti-RMS rage mob, which was largely based on distortions and fabricationsMar 27 01:34
techrights-botThis past week I've used mostly IRC to take notes of the attack on FSF. Because I think we need to cool things down and move on. The more we fight, the weaker we become. And we know who stands to gain from the infighting, sometimes even engineers and inflames that infighting.Mar 27 01:36
schestowitzlockeanarchist: we wrote about that tooMar 27 01:36
schestowitzit's the second "E" in EEEMar 27 01:36
schestowitzbut thankfully WSL2 is failingMar 27 01:36
schestowitzbarely anyone uses itMar 27 01:37
schestowitzVista 10 is in a freefall tooMar 27 01:37
schestowitzthey keep trying giving copies for 'free'Mar 27 01:37
schestowitzbecause they don't even enough takersMar 27 01:37
lockeanarchistschestowitz: they threatened to do that in the past because of linus' language and he was forced to accept a CoC to calm down the mobMar 27 01:37
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2020/12/29/windows-sliding/Mar 27 01:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | According to Statcounter, Microsoft Windows Reaches Lowest Market Share Since 1990s (Now Just 31.8%) | TechrightsMar 27 01:37
schestowitzlockeanarchist: yes, his health seems to have deteriorated since thenMar 27 01:38
schestowitzbad diet, no exerciseMar 27 01:38
lockeanarchisthe is aging fastMar 27 01:39
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2020/05/11/forties-torvalds/Mar 27 01:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Look What the Linux Foundation Has Turned Linus Torvalds Into | TechrightsMar 27 01:39
techrights-ipfs ▕  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▃▅▂▂▅▅▅▃▂▄▅▅▆▂▆▃▃▄▅▄▄▁▂▆▃▂▂▃▂▆▄▁▁ avg(k/sec) 20.15 ▕  IPFS upstream: ▁▁▁▂▂▁▂▂██▂▁▂▁█▂▁▁▂▁▁▂▁▂▃▁▁▁▂▂▃▁█▄▁▁ avg(k/sec) 51.85▕ swarm size (avg): 156.55  ⟲Mar 27 01:39
MinceRmailing lists being a barrier to entry? how are people going to contribute to kernel programming if they can't handle a mailing list?Mar 27 01:40
schestowitzexactlyMar 27 01:40
schestowitzwe mentioned that point many timesMar 27 01:40
lockeanarchistMinceR: just an excuseMar 27 01:40
schestowitzas did others Mar 27 01:40
schestowitzit's a non-starterMar 27 01:40
lockeanarchistthey want Linux on their proprietary platformMar 27 01:40
schestowitzthey failMar 27 01:40
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2021/01/24/fleeing-github/Mar 27 01:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft: The Year After We Bought GitHub There Was a Significant Decline in Number of New Projects on GitHub | TechrightsMar 27 01:41
schestowitzhopefully another codeplex in 5 yearsMar 27 01:41
kingoffranceyeah, for other projects that might be more plausible, for kernel stuff?  not so muchMar 27 01:42
schestowitzc is harderMar 27 01:42
schestowitzthan clicking "fork"Mar 27 01:42
schestowitzand hacking awayMar 27 01:43
schestowitzlinux isn't like thatMar 27 01:43
schestowitzeven testing a change is not easyMar 27 01:43
schestowitzyou need to compile kernel module and have hardwaeMar 27 01:43
lockeanarchistand this rust thing while they can't even handle their trademark issueMar 27 01:43
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2020/08/31/linux-should-reject-github/Mar 27 01:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Kernel Needs to Reject Rust for the Same Reason Linus Torvalds Rejects GitHub (Where Rust is Hosted and Developed) | TechrightsMar 27 01:43
schestowitzrust is another trapMar 27 01:43
schestowitzmicrosoft in boardMar 27 01:43
schestowitzall the project controlled by microsoftMar 27 01:43
schestowitzcensoring microsoft criticsMar 27 01:44
schestowitzall the warning signsMar 27 01:44
schestowitzit also lacks complete hardware supportMar 27 01:44
schestowitzone of the selling points of kernel.orgMar 27 01:44
lockeanarchistyeah, rust is pretty limited on thisMar 27 01:44
kingoffranceeven some gui person who doesnt touch command line -- theres no gui mail clients?  its ridiculousMar 27 01:44
schestowitzLook at the legs of TorvaldsMar 27 01:45
schestowitzthis is borderline dangerous: https://www.techrepublic.com/article/linus-torvalds-git-proved-i-could-be-more-than-a-one-hit-wonder/Mar 27 01:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linus Torvalds: "Git proved I could be more than a one-hit wonder." - TechRepublicMar 27 01:45
schestowitzmaybe he stopped doing his walksMar 27 01:45
lockeanarchistI was surprised when I saw these images of linusMar 27 01:46
MinceRit can be difficult to go on walks with pandemic restrictionsMar 27 01:48
MinceRalso, Torvalds looks like he aged a lotMar 27 01:48
MinceRi guess whatever the corporates did to force his hand didn't do him any favorsMar 27 01:48
techrights-bot#gnomefoundation is toxic and it adds toxicity to other collectives, such as Debian http://charles.plessy.org/Debian/debi%C3%A2neries/grToxique/Mar 27 01:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-charles.plessy.org | GR toxiqueMar 27 01:49
techrights-botEven before the FSF news the #gnomefoundation had already planned to attack RMS some more. An intolerant, vile institution in service of #microsoft (look where former President went to work next!). January http://techrights.org/2021/01/12/gnome-foundation-rms/Mar 27 01:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | GNOME Foundation is Still Participating in the Attack on Richard Stallman | TechrightsMar 27 01:51
schestowitzMinceR: borderline "abnormal"Mar 27 01:51
schestowitzyou can find old photos of him in swimming trunksMar 27 01:52
schestowitzhe used to have trunks for legsMar 27 01:52
schestowitznot twigsMar 27 01:52
schestowitzand I am guessing his GP advised him to get that treadmill at homeMar 27 01:52
schestowitzquestion is, does he still use it?Mar 27 01:52
CrystalMathlinux is the new windowsMar 27 01:53
MinceRindeedMar 27 01:53
lockeanarchistthe thing is that you don't need to see the linus from 10years agoMar 27 01:54
lockeanarchistyou can just see linus from, 2017Mar 27 01:54
schestowitzPocock and Linus https://danielpocock.com/assets/pocock-torvalds.pngMar 27 01:54
lockeanarchisthe aged a lot in a couple of yearsMar 27 01:54
schestowitz2018 he was banishedMar 27 01:55
schestowitzsince then no hard talkMar 27 01:55
schestowitzor barelyMar 27 01:55
schestowitzthe media shames him into remorse againMar 27 01:55
CrystalMathhe left himselfMar 27 01:55
CrystalMaththat's already not the linus i knowMar 27 01:55
CrystalMathscrew it, we can't hold on to peopleMar 27 01:56
CrystalMathpeople deteriorate and fall apartMar 27 01:56
CrystalMathonly ideas standMar 27 01:56
MinceRwe do need to learn from what our enemies do to people thoughMar 27 01:56
schestowitz2009: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Linus_fsf.jpgMar 27 01:56
schestowitzactuall, CrystalMath, RMS still looks healthyMar 27 01:56
schestowitzskin and all, weight seems the sameMar 27 01:57
schestowitzmaybe some white hair and hair lossMar 27 01:57
schestowitzbut his underlying health problems go decades backMar 27 01:57
schestowitzhe told a friend of mine about themMar 27 01:57
schestowitzbut he can reach 80+Mar 27 01:57
schestowitzMy theory: http://techrights.org/2021/03/25/against-copyleft/Mar 27 01:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Monopolies in Pain, Free Software (Copyleft) Their Kryptonite? | TechrightsMar 27 01:58
schestowitzthey suffer a lotMar 27 01:58
schestowitzIBM is 'dying'Mar 27 01:58
schestowitzrevenue in a freefallMar 27 01:58
schestowitzso they reckon they need to kill off freedoMar 27 01:58
schestowitzbut that is NOT easyMar 27 01:58
schestowitzthey need to compete with copyleftMar 27 01:58
schestowitzRHEL is NOT UNIXMar 27 01:58
schestowitzand it means that no matter what IBM does, it cannot force people to buy "support"Mar 27 01:58
schestowitzAriadne says they seem to have purchase remorseMar 27 01:59
schestowitzas the money to be found there isn't what they imagined it would beMar 27 01:59
schestowitzthe revenues continue to fallMar 27 01:59
schestowitzshe said they had shown interest in Alpine LinuxMar 27 01:59
schestowitzas if, RHEL isn't suitable for everything (too much bloated stuff for simpler systems, I assume)Mar 27 01:59
schestowitzSo for morale and motivation let's treat these attacks as angry outbursts of frustrationMar 27 02:00
schestowitzand move on instead of fighting each otherMar 27 02:00
MinceRto me, it looks like copyleft is dead already (Hellwig v VMware)Mar 27 02:01
MinceRhttps://opensource.com/law/16/8/gpl-enforcement-action-hellwig-v-vmwareMar 27 02:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GPL enforcement action in Hellwig v. VMware dismissed, with an appeal expected | Opensource.comMar 27 02:01
schestowitzFor decades they've been doing it: http://techrights.org/2008/02/04/civitl-wars-in-free-software/Mar 27 02:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | BSD vs. GPL: But Why Are PEOPLE Fighting??? | TechrightsMar 27 02:01
schestowitzMinceR: VMware did violate GPLMar 27 02:01
lockeanarchistIBM doesn't look a healthy company. MS, tbh, is in a much better shapeMar 27 02:01
schestowitzinsider admitted it to usMar 27 02:01
MinceRand got away with itMar 27 02:01
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2020/04/28/openwashing-vmware-after-gpl-abuses/Mar 27 02:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Foundation Has Helped VMware Lie About Its Deliberate GPL Violations That are Connected to Microsoft, Another Prolific GPL Violator | TechrightsMar 27 02:01
schestowitzit's a fact, vmware then hired dreck hondahl from intelMar 27 02:01
schestowitzto spin for themMar 27 02:02
MinceRthey even gained some control over Linux, which they parasitized beforeMar 27 02:02
schestowitzlots of spam from him about how we're not sure etc.Mar 27 02:02
lockeanarchistit's the same thing, they give people a pass to please their bossesMar 27 02:02
schestowitzhe knows they violated the GPLMar 27 02:02
schestowitzbut they pay him to lieMar 27 02:02
schestowitz[02:01] <lockeanarchist> IBM doesn't look a healthy company. MS, tbh, is in a much better shapeMar 27 02:02
schestowitzthey tell us thatMar 27 02:02
schestowitza lot of wall street is ponzi galore atmMar 27 02:02
schestowitzlook at teslaMar 27 02:02
schestowitzmaking losses, valued at trillionsMar 27 02:03
lockeanarchisttesla is seriously overpricedMar 27 02:03
schestowitznot just themMar 27 02:03
schestowitztesla is easier to see as suchMar 27 02:03
schestowitznot many people in middle class have money nowMar 27 02:03
schestowitzand vehicles lost utilityMar 27 02:03
schestowitzyuppie "green" waningMar 27 02:04
schestowitzthose cars aren't greenMar 27 02:04
schestowitzthey don't run on air or waterMar 27 02:04
MinceRthis one is :>  >> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-fxk6CcghkE/maxresdefault.jpgMar 27 02:04
techrights-botLoss of real services all across the board. What next? Robots for shrinks https://www.iottechtrends.com/basic-healthcare-telehealth-drones/Mar 27 02:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.iottechtrends.com | Basic Healthcare Comes to Telehealth Drones - IoT Tech TrendsMar 27 02:05
techrights-botCustomer service going away. You're on your own! http://techrights.org/2021/03/23/war-on-cashiers/Mar 27 02:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | ‘Self-Service’ is Just an Unjust Disservice by Selfish Business People | TechrightsMar 27 02:05
MinceRhttps://i.redd.it/9b31rtqzxtgz.jpgMar 27 02:05
schestowitzMinceR: from greenwahsing to green-paintingMar 27 02:06
MinceR:>Mar 27 02:06
techrights-botOld: "The BSD and the GPL ‘camps’ can happily live in harmony and they often do indeed. There is a certain hostility, however, between the OpenBSD folks and the FSF/GNU in particular." http://techrights.org/2008/02/04/civitl-wars-in-free-software/Mar 27 02:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | BSD vs. GPL: But Why Are PEOPLE Fighting??? | TechrightsMar 27 02:07
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schestowitzMinceR: LF does greenwashing fro MicrosoftMar 27 02:16
schestowitzPaid-for PR services http://techrights.org/2020/09/02/linux-foundation-greenwashing-and-openwashing-for-microsoft/Mar 27 02:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation Works for Microsoft | TechrightsMar 27 02:16
schestowitzWe need to call out these charlatans and fraudsMar 27 02:16
schestowitzthey tarnish our brandsMar 27 02:16
schestowitzThe good news is,Mar 27 02:19
schestowitzwe raised awarenessMar 27 02:19
schestowitzmore people not widely recognis the LF for what it really isMar 27 02:20
schestowitzeven RMSMar 27 02:20
schestowitzand they clearly cannot 'cancel' him enoughMar 27 02:20
schestowitzno matter how many bigCorps lie and mislead peopleMar 27 02:20
schestowitzso we have the numbersMar 27 02:20
schestowitzwe have the factsMar 27 02:20
techrights-botLinks 27/3/2021: #Wine 6.5 Released, #DataBlaster , #Livepatch Has Issues • 𝗧𝗲𝗰𝗵𝗿𝗶𝗴𝗵𝘁𝘀 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2021/03/26/livepatch-has-issues/ •●• #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/26/livepatch-has-issues/Mar 27 02:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 27/3/2021: Wine 6.5 Released, Data Blaster, Livepatch Has Issues | TechrightsMar 27 02:20
techrights-bot#Programming Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149291 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMar 27 02:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux MachinesMar 27 02:21
techrights-botToday’s 𝐓𝐮𝐱 𝐌𝐚𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐞𝐬 Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149292 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMar 27 02:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux MachinesMar 27 02:21
schestowitzI will prepare a statementMar 27 02:21
schestowitzmaybe others can check it's OK for usMar 27 02:22
schestowitzor even nowMar 27 02:22
schestowitzsuggest where we stand on the recent eventsMar 27 02:22
schestowitzMinceR:  lockeanarchist: http://techrights.org/2021/03/26/call-for-calm-unity/Mar 27 02:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | A Call for Calm and for Unison | TechrightsMar 27 02:28
schestowitzdoes that make senseMar 27 02:28
schestowitzI can still edit, I guess?Mar 27 02:28
lockeanarchistmakes sense to me.Mar 27 02:29
schestowitzthanksMar 27 02:29
schestowitzMinceR?Mar 27 02:29
schestowitzI have a lot to say, but will try to keep is calm and factualMar 27 02:29
schestowitzI did not name people or companiesMar 27 02:30
schestowitzor link to anything that names themMar 27 02:30
schestowitzI will do a very long video on SundayMar 27 02:31
techrights-botA Call for Calm and for Unison • 𝗧𝗲𝗰𝗵𝗿𝗶𝗴𝗵𝘁𝘀 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2021/03/26/call-for-calm-unity/ •●• #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/26/call-for-calm-unity/ Let's get back to WORK, folks!Mar 27 02:34
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schestowitzmaybe I should do rebuttals in text, not videoMar 27 02:37
schestowitznow that I think about it...Mar 27 02:37
schestowitzbut it would take hours to writeMar 27 02:37
schestowitzand maybe people won't care about the topic by the time it's outMar 27 02:37
schestowitzand maybe too early, tooMar 27 02:37
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schestowitzShould I do it in timeline style?Mar 27 02:38
schestowitzchronological?Mar 27 02:38
schestowitzOK, 2:40 hereMar 27 02:38
schestowitzI will give myself a dealine of 5am to do a very long and detailed timelineMar 27 02:39
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schestowitzno videoMar 27 02:39
schestowitzjust timelineMar 27 02:39
DaemonFC[m]5 AM? GeezMar 27 02:39
schestowitzI have about 70 posts to coverMar 27 02:39
schestowitzabout the RMS thingMar 27 02:39
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schestowitzso assume 2 minutes for eachMar 27 02:39
schestowitz2.5 hours, inc. proofreadingMar 27 02:40
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schestowitzthe news about this has ground to a haltMar 27 02:40
schestowitzso maybe now the time is rightMar 27 02:40
schestowitzA Factual Timeline of the Attempt to Pressure the FSF Into SubmissionMar 27 02:41
techrights-bot*** 𝐁𝐔𝐋𝐋𝐄𝐓𝐈𝐍 *** Yesterday's bulletin ready. http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2021-03-26.txtMar 27 02:41
MinceRschestowitz: i'm lookingMar 27 02:53
MinceRschestowitz: looks fineMar 27 02:55
techrights-botDoing a very long rebuttal to falsehoods seen in the media and FOSS blogs this past week; we have a story about employers BANNING employees from expressing support for FSF/RMS, not because they hate him/them but because the 'cancel mob' scares the businessesMar 27 02:57
techrights-botWe will also do some long video rebuttals to many blogs and news reports about RMS that continue to spread lies (like calling him Epstein supporter; that's Bill Gates, not RMS!)Mar 27 02:58
schestowitzMinceR: thanksMar 27 02:58
MinceRnpMar 27 02:58
schestowitzI need to control my tone with this long articleMar 27 02:59
schestowitz70 linksMar 27 02:59
schestowitz2 minutes eachMar 27 02:59
schestowitz150 minsMar 27 02:59
schestowitzbut I hope it'll be worth it at the endMar 27 02:59
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schestowitzOK, this will take a lot more than 2 hours :/Mar 27 03:08
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schestowitzthis will take ages to writeMar 27 03:28
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schestowitzanyone wanna proofread?Mar 27 04:41
schestowitzfirst draft readyMar 27 04:41
techrights-bot#Techrights Bulletin for Friday, March 26, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintextMar 27 04:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin ArchivesMar 27 04:42
techrights-bot#Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharingMar 27 04:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS IndexMar 27 04:42
techrights-botThe Progress Linux has Made in Terms of #Gaming is Simply Incredible: #Lutris Creator • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149293 #gnu #linuxMar 27 04:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Progress Linux has Made in Terms of Gaming is Simply Incredible: Lutris Creator | Tux MachinesMar 27 04:42
birkoffacross other apps and websites using the device's advertising identifier (also called IDFA) as part of a new framework dubbed App Tracking Transparency (ATT).Mar 27 04:48
birkoffhttps://thehackernews.com/2021/03/google-to-reveals-what-personal-data.htmlMar 27 04:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thehackernews.com | Google Reveals What Personal Data Chrome and Its Apps Collect On YouMar 27 04:48
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schestowitzbirkoff: thanksMar 27 06:13
schestowitzgood not to be using any of those devices at all!Mar 27 06:14
birkoffnot using Android you mean ? Mar 27 06:17
schestowitzthat tooMar 27 06:33
schestowitzcan anyone spot typos? http://techrights.org/2021/03/27/objective-look-at-phony-scandal/Mar 27 06:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | A Factual Timeline of Attempts to Pressure the FSF Into Submission (Not to Promote Real Community and Freedom) | TechrightsMar 27 06:34
techrights-botA Factual Timeline of Attempts to Pressure the #FSF Into Submission (Not to Promote Real Community and Freedom) http://techrights.org/2021/03/27/objective-look-at-phony-scandal/ #gnu #freesw #rms #freedomMar 27 06:35
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techrights-bot● [Old] ● #iCrowdNewswire # ☞ ZFS 101—Understanding #ZFS storage and performance https://icrowdnewswire.com/2020/05/11/zfs-101-understanding-zfs-storage-and-performance/Mar 27 07:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-icrowdnewswire.com | ZFS 101—Understanding ZFS storage and performanceMar 27 07:07
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #DanLangille ☞ Moving some #ZFS filesystems to the ‘trash’ and removing all their snapshots – sanoid https://dan.langille.org/2021/03/24/moving-some-zfs-filesystems-to-the-trash-and-removing-all-their-snapshots/Mar 27 07:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dan.langille.org | Moving some ZFS filesystems to the ‘trash’ and removing all their snapshots – sanoid – Dan Langille's Other DiaryMar 27 07:07
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #JanPietMens ☞ Configure #SSH ProxyCommand for Ansible AWX on Kubernetes https://jpmens.net/2021/03/25/configure-ssh-proxycommand-for-awx-on-kubernetes/Mar 27 07:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jpmens.net | Jan-Piet Mens :: Configure SSH ProxyCommand for Ansible AWX on KubernetesMar 27 07:07
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #Rachel #Programming ☞ Compile times, and why "the obvious" might not be so https://rachelbythebay.com/w/2021/03/24/comp/Mar 27 07:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rachelbythebay.com | Compile times, and why "the obvious" might not be soMar 27 07:12
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #DataSwamp #Programming ☞ #freesw from an author point of view https://dataswamp.org/~solene/2021-03-23-opensource-as-an-author.htmlMar 27 07:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dataswamp.org | Solene's percent % : Opensource from an author point of viewMar 27 07:12
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #TrailOfBits #Programming ☞ A Year in the Life of a Compiler Fuzzing Campaign https://blog.trailofbits.com/2021/03/23/a-year-in-the-life-of-a-compiler-fuzzing-campaign/Mar 27 07:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.trailofbits.com | A Year in the Life of a Compiler Fuzzing Campaign | Trail of Bits BlogMar 27 07:12
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #DavidRosenthal ☞ #InternetArchive Storage https://blog.dshr.org/2021/03/internet-archive-storage.htmlMar 27 07:14
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Ariadne[20:01:06] <MinceR> to me, it looks like copyleft is dead already (Hellwig v VMware)Mar 27 07:44
Ariadneyes, this is what i said yesterdayMar 27 07:44
Ariadnethe only way copyleft enforcement is viable is if you hold a clear majority of the copyrightMar 27 07:44
Ariadneso, if you have disaggregate copyrights, the enforcement action would have to be a class action or similarMar 27 07:44
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #TheVerge ☞ Why #Microsoft wants #Discord https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/26/22352028/microsoft-discord-acquisition-analysis-reportMar 27 07:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Why Microsoft wants Discord - The VergeMar 27 07:45
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #CyberScoop ☞ Top insurer CNA disconnects systems after cyberattack https://www.cyberscoop.com/cna-cyber-insurance-breach/Mar 27 07:46
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techrights-bot● NEWS ● #PortSwigger ☞ Security researcher launches #GoFundMe campaign to fight legal threat over vulnerability disclosure https://portswigger.net/daily-swig/security-researcher-launches-gofundme-campaign-to-fight-legal-threat-over-vulnerability-disclosureMar 27 07:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-portswigger.net | Security researcher launches GoFundMe campaign to fight legal threat over vulnerability disclosure | The Daily SwigMar 27 07:46
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #CUJOAI ☞ Restricted Environment IoT Hacking: All You Need Is a Remote Shell https://cujo.com/restricted-environment-iot-hacking-all-you-need-is-a-remote-shell/Mar 27 07:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Restricted Environment IoT Hacking: All You Need Is a Remote Shell - CUJO AIMar 27 07:50
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #CoryDoctorow #Privacy #Surveillance ☞ Zuckerpunch https://pluralistic.net/2021/03/25/facebook-has-a-facebook-problem/#played-for-zuckersMar 27 07:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pluralistic.net | Pluralistic: 25 Mar 2021 – Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory DoctorowMar 27 07:51
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techrights-bot● NEWS ● #ITWire ☞ Google's triumphant 11 zero-day report exposed govt operation: claim https://itwire.com/security/google-s-triumphant-11-zero-day-report-exposed-govt-operation-claim.htmlMar 27 08:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iTWire - Google's triumphant 11 zero-day report exposed govt operation: claimMar 27 08:50
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lockeanarchistSometimes I find pretty interesting that these Rust rewrites are, almost all, in permissive licenses. Copyleft is dead but companies don't want to risk anyway.Mar 27 09:49
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techrights-bot#IRC Proceedings: Friday, March 26, 2021 • 𝗧𝗲𝗰𝗵𝗿𝗶𝗴𝗵𝘁𝘀 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2021/03/27/irc-log-260321/ •●• #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/27/irc-log-260321/Mar 27 10:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Friday, March 26, 2021 | TechrightsMar 27 10:12
techrights-botPlease do not get carried away by people who try to tear #Freesoftware apart • 𝗧𝗲𝗰𝗵𝗿𝗶𝗴𝗵𝘁𝘀 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2021/03/26/call-for-calm-unity/ •●• #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/26/call-for-calm-unity/Mar 27 10:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | A Call for Calm and for Unison | TechrightsMar 27 10:13
techrights-botgeminiMar 27 10:16
techrights-botAn objective (based on underlying facts) assessment of what has happened over the past 5 days; a lot of energy was spent getting angry over the wrong thing, usually based on misunderstandings • 𝗧𝗲𝗰𝗵𝗿𝗶𝗴𝗵𝘁𝘀 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2021/03/27/objective-look-at-phony-scandal/ •●• #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/27/objective-look-at-phony-scandaMar 27 10:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | A Factual Timeline of Attempts to Pressure the FSF Into Submission (Not to Promote Real Community and Freedom) | TechrightsMar 27 10:16
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #EerieLinux #rms #gnu #fsf ☞ Cancelling Richard Stallman? https://eerielinux.wordpress.com/2021/03/24/cancelling-richard-stallman/Mar 27 10:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-eerielinux.wordpress.com | Cancelling Richard Stallman? | eerielinuxMar 27 10:20
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techrights-bot‘Just Perfection’ #GNOMEShell Extension Now Lets You Customize Your #GNOME 40 Desktop • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149294 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMar 27 10:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | ‘Just Perfection’ GNOME Shell Extension Now Lets You Customize Your GNOME 40 Desktop | Tux MachinesMar 27 10:47
techrights-bot#MXLinux vs. #ManjaroLinux • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149295 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMar 27 10:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | MX Linux vs. Manjaro | Tux MachinesMar 27 10:47
techrights-botThis week in KDE: all the things • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149296 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #KDEMar 27 10:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | This week in KDE: all the things | Tux MachinesMar 27 10:48
techrights-botMy favorite #freesw tools to meet new friends • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149297 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMar 27 10:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | My favorite open source tools to meet new friends | Tux MachinesMar 27 10:48
techrights-bot#Android Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149298 •●• #Google #Linux #TuxMachinesMar 27 10:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesMar 27 10:48
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techrights-bot● NEWS ● #CounterPunch #patents ☞ As Rich Nations Protect Corporate Patents, the Global #Vaccine Divide is Widening https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/03/26/134324/ object to it in #twiiter and they may BAN you: http://techrights.org/2021/02/05/twitter-censorship-bingo/Mar 27 11:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-As Rich Nations Protect Corporate Patents, the Global Vaccine Divide is Widening - CounterPunch.orgMar 27 11:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Twitter Has Just Suspended the President of FFII for Naming Bill Gates Patent Profiteering and Factual Information About Twitter Censorship (Updated) | TechrightsMar 27 11:05
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #Techdirt #Censorship ☞ #ContentModeration Case Study: Facebook Removes A Picture Of A Famous Danish Mermaid Statue (2016) https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210326/15540546499/content-moderation-case-study-facebook-removes-picture-famous-danish-mermaid-statue-2016.shtmlMar 27 11:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Content Moderation Case Study: Facebook Removes A Picture Of A Famous Danish Mermaid Statue (2016) | TechdirtMar 27 11:08
techrights-botFOSS Patents: #FTC apparently decided not to seek Supreme Court review of Ninth Circuit ruling in #Qualcomm 's favor ⇨ http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/03/ftc-apparently-decided-not-to-seek.html •●• #fosspatents | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/03/27/#latestMar 27 11:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: FTC apparently decided not to seek Supreme Court review of Ninth Circuit ruling in Qualcomm's favorMar 27 11:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media PostsMar 27 11:10
techrights-botFOSS Patents: Has European Commissioner #ThierryBreton already announced that #Apple will have to allow alternative app stores? A matter of interpretation. ⇨ http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/03/has-european-commissioner-thierry.html •●• #fosspatents | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/03/27/#latestMar 27 11:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: Has European Commissioner Thierry Breton already announced that Apple will have to allow alternative app stores? A matter of interpretation.Mar 27 11:11
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #Techdirt ☞ #Privacy Laws Giving Big Internet Companies A Convenient Excuse To Avoid Academic Scrutiny https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210320/00235946461/privacy-laws-giving-big-internet-companies-convenient-excuse-to-avoid-academic-scrutiny.shtmlMar 27 11:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Privacy Laws Giving Big Internet Companies A Convenient Excuse To Avoid Academic Scrutiny | TechdirtMar 27 11:15
techrights-botDance https://pluspora.com/uploads/images/7c23f27374bc430253c0.gifMar 27 11:24
techrights-botWe Open-Sourced our #Encryption Software: Here's Why https://hackernoon.com/we-open-sourced-our-encryption-software-heres-why-4v1h33t1Mar 27 11:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hackernoon.com | We Open-Sourced our Encryption Software: Here's Why | Hacker NoonMar 27 11:36
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techrights-bot#RMS #RichardStallman #GNU #FSF #freesw https://odysee.com/@Lunduke:e/RMSStillImportant:6Mar 27 12:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.com | Proof RMS is Still ImportantMar 27 12:05
techrights-bot#navalny https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/25/world/europe/navalny-health-prison.htmlMar 27 12:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Navalny’s Health Is Deteriorating in Prison, His Lawyers Say - The New York TimesMar 27 12:05
techrights-bot"The sport short: ESO is building the world's largest telescope on a mountaintop in Chile. Think of it as binoculars with a mirror as wide as the Round Tower is high in a building the size of the entire Rosenborg Castle." https://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=da&u=https://www.version2.dk/blog/moderne-hardware-fantastisk-1092354Mar 27 12:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-translate.google.com | Google TranslateMar 27 12:07
techrights-bot#WordPress bloat https://sysdfree.wordpress.com/2021/03/15/339/Mar 27 12:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sysdfree.wordpress.com | WordPress classic editor! | systemd-free linux communityMar 27 12:07
techrights-bot#FSFE != FSF https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral/105954844399007716 see http://techrights.org/2020/08/23/back-stabbing-richard-stallman/ http://techrights.org/2012/07/07/debian-vs-ubuntu-on-uefi/Mar 27 12:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.ar.al | Aral Balkan: "Still think the FSF is relevant and fighting for …" - Aral’s MastodonMar 27 12:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Leak: Richard Stallman (RMS) Was Betrayed by Matthias Kirschner’s FSFE, Which Closely Connected With People Who Attack Stallman | TechrightsMar 27 12:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | FSF and FSFE Both Speak Out Against UEFI; Ubuntu Drifts Away From FSF, Whereas Debian Comes Closer to FSF | TechrightsMar 27 12:08
techrights-bot"Illustrating what an absolute joke the RMS/FSF crucifixion attempt is, is that (M$ GH) issues/PRs about factual errors or more diverse (should I say 'inclusive') opinions are closed (and apparently even deleted), because "too many people already signed"." https://x0f.org/@FreePietje/105950613548469148Mar 27 12:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-x0f.org | Free Pietje: "Illustrating what an absolute joke the RMS/FSF cr…" - unidentified instanceMar 27 12:08
techrights-bot#CancelCulture Is Only Getting Worse https://mstdn.io/@wzqtparor/105948091973443930Mar 27 12:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mstdn.io | [RMS] 一色いろは: "Cancel Culture Is Only Getting Worse https://www…" - MastodonMar 27 12:08
techrights-bot#gnome working for #ibm -- the company that profited from gassing gay and trans people (IBM founder got a medal from Hitler) https://masgnulinux.es/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/gnome.pngMar 27 12:10
techrights-bot#ibm #redhat https://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=es&u=https://masgnulinux.es/que-te-jodan-red-hat/Mar 27 12:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-translate.google.com | Google TranslateMar 27 12:11
techrights-bot"Red Hat is the main enemy of free software. I said well. Behind the mask that they produce open source software (sic), the real truth is that they buy from developers" https://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=es&u=https://masgnulinux.es/que-te-jodan-red-hat/Mar 27 12:12
techrights-botThe term "darkweb" resurfaces, because apparently #privacy is a crime now. And never mind racial connotations #ibm might tell you the word has... https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/jail_terms_for_two_in_finlands_first_dark_web_contract_killing/11858453Mar 27 12:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Jail terms for two in Finland's first dark web contract killing | Yle Uutiset | yle.fiMar 27 12:13
techrights-bot#colorado https://thehill.com/homenews/media/545159-usa-today-editor-fired-for-post-colorado-shooting-tweetMar 27 12:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-USA Today editor fired for post-Colorado shooting tweet | TheHillMar 27 12:13
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techrights-botSome loud minority of bigots in #georgia wants rigged election https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/25/politics/georgia-state-house-voting-bill-passage/index.html they cannot win otherwise...Mar 27 12:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-edition.cnn.com | Georgia voting bill: Republicans speed sweeping elections bill restricting voting access into law - CNNPoliticsMar 27 12:14
techrights-bot"I do think we need to not get distracted by the whole focus on RMS and judging him as good or bad as a person and continue to think about the overall mission of the free software movement." https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/2021-03/msg00072.htmlMar 27 12:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.gnu.org | Re: Support RMSMar 27 12:14
techrights-bot#gnomefoundation is a hateful, toxic org that violates its own rules and its leaders then go working for #microsoft https://odysee.com/@DistroTube:2/gnome-board-members-must-resign-in:cMar 27 12:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.com | GNOME Board Members Must Resign In DisgraceMar 27 12:15
techrights-bot"I still urge people to support RMS in this matter because defending truth is important." https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/2021-03/msg00070.htmlMar 27 12:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.gnu.org | Re: Support RMSMar 27 12:16
techrights-bot#suse stands for #proprietarysoftware and its CEO works for SAP, so what else can be expected? https://odysee.com/@Lunduke:e/SUSEEFFStallman:6Mar 27 12:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.com | SUSE, EFF Attack StallmanMar 27 12:18
techrights-botold: #systemd , 10 years later: a historical and technical retrospective https://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2020/05/02/0/ #ibm #redhatMar 27 12:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.darknedgy.net | systemd, 10 years later: a historical and technical retrospectiveMar 27 12:19
techrights-botold: " #Systemd is not an init system" http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=120652&start=0Mar 27 12:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.debian.net | Debian User Forums • View topic - Combatting revisionist historyMar 27 12:20
techrights-botold: "The origin of Richard Stallman and the free software ideas he developed is from a time before computers became an integral part of ordinary people’s lives, the 70s." https://www.wetheweb.org/post/cancel-we-the-webMar 27 12:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wetheweb.org | #Cancel We The Web?Mar 27 12:20
techrights-bot"The main contributions of Bill Gates and Steve Jobs to computing was to shit in the pool of grass-roots creativity. Jobs, far more than Gates, was able to polish his turd to a fine sheen." https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@lightweight/105958040749504926Mar 27 12:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.nzoss.nz | Dave Lane: "The main contributions of Bill Gates and Steve Jo…" - Mastodon - NZOSSMar 27 12:22
techrights-bot"I can guarantee this is the best impromptu rant against Microsoft and their disdain for your privacy that you will watch today (from yesterday’s S’update)" https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral/105955684252481116Mar 27 12:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.ar.al | Aral Balkan: "I can guarantee this is the best impromptu rant a…" - Aral’s MastodonMar 27 12:22
techrights-bot"Whenever you say “but it doesn’t matter if X gets funded/sponsored by Google, Facebook, etc.” you’re basically pissing in the faces of those of us who would rather struggle than accept their dirty money and legitimise those surveillance capitalists or compromise our integrity." https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral/105955364834411191Mar 27 12:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.ar.al | Aral Balkan: "Whenever you say “but it doesn’t matter if X gets…" - Aral’s MastodonMar 27 12:23
techrights-bot"The pine64.org domain belongs to all members of the PINE64 community. Got a PINE64 project going? Did you write a #PinePhone app or hacked new functionality into the #PinebookPro?" https://fosstodon.org/@PINE64/105957623112088991Mar 27 12:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fosstodon.org | PINE64: "The pine64.org domain belongs to all members of t…" - FosstodonMar 27 12:23
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techrights-bot● NEWS ● #meduza #ru #russia ☞ #RuNet scammers launch fake ‘business version’ of #TikTok https://meduza.io/en/news/2021/03/26/runet-scammers-launch-fake-business-version-of-tiktokMar 27 12:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLEMar 27 12:25
schestowitzAriadne: https://twitter.com/ariadneconill/status/1374011913009565698Mar 27 12:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ariadneconill: so far the only 'lead' techrights has that RMS is 'back in' at FSF is somebody dropping that in the IRC.Mar 27 12:29
schestowitzbut we were right ;0)Mar 27 12:29
Ariadneyes, it was a good scoopMar 27 12:29
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/wwahammy/status/1373821668624322560Mar 27 12:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wwahammy: Also, the guy running techrights is a douchenozzle but it's the source I have.Mar 27 12:30
schestowitz"douchenozzle"Mar 27 12:30
schestowitzsuch lovelt and nice peopleMar 27 12:30
schestowitzvery politeMar 27 12:30
schestowitzvery inclusiveMar 27 12:30
schestowitz"douchenozzle"Mar 27 12:30
schestowitzthey fail to see their own hypocrisy on such mattersMar 27 12:30
Ariadnepersonally, i'm not a fan of ad hominem attacks but :)Mar 27 12:31
schestowitzhe accused RMS of being a "Safety" problemMar 27 12:31
schestowitzusing some twist on the word "safety"Mar 27 12:31
schestowitzanyway, here we are... and so far we've gotten the facts rightMar 27 12:31
Ariadnewell, it may be unsafe to be an "emacs virgin" in his presenceMar 27 12:32
Ariadnemostly because he will not stop talking about emacsMar 27 12:32
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #Techdirt ☞ Senator Elizabeth Warren Goes Over The Line; Threatens To Punish Amazon For 'Snotty Tweets' https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210326/13051246498/senator-elizabeth-warren-goes-over-line-threatens-to-punish-amazon-snotty-tweets.shtmlMar 27 12:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Senator Elizabeth Warren Goes Over The Line; Threatens To Punish Amazon For 'Snotty Tweets' | TechdirtMar 27 12:32
schestowitzbtwMar 27 12:33
schestowitzabout thatMar 27 12:33
schestowitzvirgins are guys tooMar 27 12:33
schestowitzmostly guys, I thinkMar 27 12:33
schestowitzso they tried to spin that as sexistMar 27 12:33
schestowitzwhich made no senseMar 27 12:33
schestowitzin 2009 he had to clarify thatMar 27 12:33
schestowitzit was also, back them, gnome foundation leads the attackMar 27 12:33
schestowitzpeople who led it would later work for RedmondMar 27 12:33
Ariadnei once was on the same flight as RMS and he would not shut the fuck up about somebody having bose quietcomfort headphonesMar 27 12:34
schestowitzthey keep trying hard to make scandals out of little solid groundMar 27 12:34
schestowitzAriadne: sorry to hear that :-)Mar 27 12:34
schestowitzarrest himMar 27 12:34
Ariadnethey almost didMar 27 12:34
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #TruthOut ☞ #DannyGlover Joins #Amazon Organizers on the Ground in Lead-Up to Union Vote https://truthout.org/video/danny-glover-joins-amazon-organizers-on-the-ground-in-lead-up-to-union-vote/Mar 27 12:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Danny Glover Joins Amazon Organizers on the Ground in Lead-Up to Union VoteMar 27 12:35
Ariadnehe finally agreed to shut up and the plane finally departedMar 27 12:35
schestowitzwhat are those headphones?Mar 27 12:36
schestowitzI don't get itMar 27 12:36
schestowitzquietcomfort?Mar 27 12:36
Ariadnenoise cancellation headphonesMar 27 12:36
schestowitzwhat did he say?Mar 27 12:36
Ariadnethey use an analog circuit to generating masking noiseMar 27 12:36
Ariadnehe thought they had some sort of firmware (they don't)Mar 27 12:36
schestowitzah, makes senseMar 27 12:36
schestowitzin some environments where you want to hear a colleague but not background noiseMar 27 12:36
Ariadneor listen to music and not background noiseMar 27 12:37
schestowitzDSPs are circuitryMar 27 12:37
Ariadneor whateverMar 27 12:37
schestowitzso I imagine they don't publish their designsMar 27 12:37
Ariadneyeah but noise cancellation circuits don't involve any computingMar 27 12:37
schestowitzmany are proprietary components, drop-in componentsMar 27 12:37
schestowitzAriadne: dependsMar 27 12:37
schestowitzit does until done with hw dspMar 27 12:37
Ariadnehw dsp would be overkill for that applicationMar 27 12:38
schestowitzdepends on we define computation versus data pipelinesMar 27 12:38
Ariadnemaybe if it was bluetoothMar 27 12:38
Ariadneor something like thatMar 27 12:38
schestowitzI see...Mar 27 12:38
schestowitzanyway, he's kind of funny sometimesMar 27 12:38
schestowitzbut mostly harmlessMar 27 12:38
schestowitzimeMar 27 12:38
Ariadnei mean, i don't really care about having the source code to random appliances moreso than schematics for themMar 27 12:39
schestowitzmaybe I'm used to it because i have friend who are deaf or other conditionsMar 27 12:39
Ariadnewhat am i going to do?  overclock my oven?Mar 27 12:39
schestowitzso I'm used to being around people who act "different"Mar 27 12:39
techrights-ipfs ▕  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▃▁▂▄▃▅▃▃▅▅▃▆▃▃▄▅▃▅▃▂▂▄▅▂▂▆▄▃▁▅▄▃▄▁ avg(k/sec) 16.18 ▕  IPFS upstream: ▂▁▂▁▂▂▁▂▁▂▂▁▂▂▂▁▂▃▂▂▁▂▁▁▂▂▁▁▂▁▁█▁▂▂▁▁ avg(k/sec) 11.61▕ swarm size (avg): 157.75  ⟲Mar 27 12:39
schestowitzold fashioned ovens are OKMar 27 12:39
schestowitzthey are also easier to repairMar 27 12:40
schestowitzsometimes yourselfMar 27 12:40
Ariadnei have a new samsung ovenMar 27 12:40
Ariadneit even has internet of shit connectivity as an optionMar 27 12:40
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #Techdirt ☞ How Mark Warner's 'SAFE TECH Act' Will Make Many People A Lot Less Safe https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210323/07373746473/how-mark-warners-safe-tech-act-will-make-many-people-lot-less-safe.shtmlMar 27 12:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How Mark Warner's 'SAFE TECH Act' Will Make Many People A Lot Less Safe | TechdirtMar 27 12:40
Ariadneif i wanted to pay $20 for the zigbee moduleMar 27 12:40
schestowitzWhen I was 19 I repaired my own laptop, saved tons of moneyMar 27 12:40
Ariadnebut the source code for it does not really give me any valueMar 27 12:40
Ariadneit's an ovenMar 27 12:40
Ariadnei don't know shit about ovensMar 27 12:41
schestowitzmaybe we'll care more in the futureMar 27 12:41
schestowitzand rely on others jail-breaking themMar 27 12:41
schestowitze.g. to disable microphonesMar 27 12:41
schestowitzsome kitchen appliances become rather maliciousMar 27 12:41
Ariadneit doesnt have any microphonesMar 27 12:41
schestowitzyetMar 27 12:42
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Ariadnewell, if there's nanoprobes in it that can create microphones on demand of samsung, i *would* love to have the source code to themMar 27 12:55
schestowitzremember:Mar 27 13:01
schestowitzif you said 20 years ago toothbrushes would have bluetoothMar 27 13:01
schestowitzand upload data to companies that work with intel agenciesMar 27 13:01
schestowitzpeople would call you craaazyMar 27 13:01
DaemonFC[m]The Illinois politicians are still trying to ban GTA. They claim, again, that the game rewards killing the cops.Mar 27 13:04
DaemonFC[m]If you try to have a firefight with the cops, you get a SWAT team. If you survive the SWAT teams and police helicopters shooting at you, the Army comes out.Mar 27 13:05
DaemonFC[m]Eventually, they kill you and you lose whatever mission you were on and respawn at a hospital less a lot of money and all of your weapons.Mar 27 13:06
schestowitzI read about itMar 27 13:06
schestowitzwasn't that a while back, like start of the month?Mar 27 13:06
schestowitzmeanwhile Utah is trying to ban pr0n againMar 27 13:07
schestowitznot sure if Mormom influence...Mar 27 13:07
DaemonFC[m]They're designed to be an obstacle and the more you fight them, the worse it gets. You have to get away and wait for the heat to die down.Mar 27 13:07
schestowitz*monMar 27 13:07
techrights-botBirds https://pod.haxxors.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_bf35f56971f07dd915f2.gifMar 27 13:07
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DaemonFC[m]If you have to, kill one or two and get out of there, but the game isn't going to reward it. It'll try to kill you some other way because you had to do it.Mar 27 13:08
DaemonFC[m]About the only time you can get into a shootout and win is when it's a limited number of bad guys as part of a mission and the game doesn't just keep spawning more.Mar 27 13:09
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schestowitzGTA?Mar 27 13:10
schestowitzI only played the first oneMar 27 13:10
DaemonFC[m]So the game actually penalizes you severely for killing the police and rewards you for killing bad guys, kind of. Even then, you have to do it out where there's no witnesses.Mar 27 13:10
schestowitzthat was in the late 90sMar 27 13:10
schestowitzdidn't like that game mucchMar 27 13:10
DaemonFC[m]Yeah.Mar 27 13:10
schestowitzsome say the game is stress reliefMar 27 13:11
DaemonFC[m]The games used to be isometric, like Fallout was.Mar 27 13:11
schestowitzand prevents from actually shooting actual peopleMar 27 13:11
schestowitzbear in mind I always never game anymoreMar 27 13:11
schestowitzI find them addictiveMar 27 13:11
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schestowitzand I'm susciptible to getting addicted to them if I improveMar 27 13:11
schestowitzAlex Oliva got addicted to some gamesMar 27 13:12
schestowitzhe told me, but afaik he only plays free/libre onesMar 27 13:12
DaemonFC[m]They had to cut down GTA V to get it on the XBOX 360, by not by much. They said it didn't have enough working memory to have a first person view inside a car, so you had to do it in third person. There were less songs in the soundtrack because the game had to fit on a DVD.Mar 27 13:12
DaemonFC[m]If they used Ogg Vorbis, they would have all fit.Mar 27 13:12
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #EFF #Censorship ☞ Even with Changes, the Revised PACT Act Will Lead to More Online Censorship https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/03/even-changes-revised-pact-act-will-lead-more-online-censorshipMar 27 13:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | Even with Changes, the Revised PACT Act Will Lead to More Online Censorship | Electronic Frontier FoundationMar 27 13:13
DaemonFC[m]The 360 being cut down is good in some ways.Mar 27 13:14
DaemonFC[m]They expanded the PC version into the Clown where they can stop piracy because if your copy doesn't pass the smell test or isn't getting updates then they don't let you play.Mar 27 13:14
schestowitzthat's another issueMar 27 13:14
schestowitzgames are now rentedMar 27 13:14
schestowitzI used to carry around old doom binariesMar 27 13:15
schestowitznow they sell you keys instead of gamesMar 27 13:15
schestowitzyou rent it like a hotal roomMar 27 13:15
schestowitzstadia is one exampleMar 27 13:15
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, you put Doom on any computer and it's Doom.Mar 27 13:15
schestowitzgnu/linux powered, but only at the back end, and usually chrome-onlyMar 27 13:15
schestowitzstadia is failingMar 27 13:15
schestowitzpeople in venezuela used adobe stuff on the clownMar 27 13:16
DaemonFC[m]Ugh, hotel room. Mandy said some old lady he works was asking about that dump we were living in. I told him if she only needs to live somewhere for ten days just pay the extra $200 and stay somewhere where the maid isn't some guy with a grill and a hair pick and there aren't syringes everywhere.Mar 27 13:16
schestowitzwhen orange clown decided to attack the country economically people there lost not just access to the softwareMar 27 13:16
schestowitzbut also to their filesMar 27 13:16
DaemonFC[m]So in a way, I did suffer for an entire year. Mandy thought I'd lost my mind when I pulled out the cooler and was sitting in a lawn chair fishing in a retention pond.Mar 27 13:17
schestowitzwell, you see worse in tandoMar 27 13:18
schestowitztondoMar 27 13:18
DaemonFC[m]Asked me what I thought I'd catch. I said, oh a shopping cart about yay big. Mar 27 13:18
DaemonFC[m]Yes, with GTA there's a monthly fee of course.Mar 27 13:19
DaemonFC[m]They keep releasing islands and heists and then everyone complains about how rushed and poorly designed it was.Mar 27 13:19
schestowitzhidden feesMar 27 13:19
schestowitzlike buying cars with installmentsMar 27 13:19
DaemonFC[m]Their latest one, there's no do over. You go to the island once and whatever happens there is permanent.Mar 27 13:20
DaemonFC[m]So you have to read about what happened when other people eventually won. What's the fun in that? Normal game, you lose and then you figure out a different strategy. Like, okay, I went down that hall and tripped a wire and the alarm went off.Mar 27 13:21
DaemonFC[m]There's a goldilocks zone with video games. Like, you have to be able to win but it can't be so hard that people just give up.Mar 27 13:23
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #DemocracyNow ☞ #Evanston , #Illinois , to Pay #Reparations to Black Families Harmed by Decades of Racist Housing Policies https://www.democracynow.org/2021/3/26/evanston_illinois_reparations_black_residentsMar 27 13:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.democracynow.org | Evanston, Illinois, to Pay Reparations to Black Families Harmed by Decades of Racist Housing Policies | Democracy Now!Mar 27 13:23
DaemonFC[m]That's why Knights of the Old Republic II was pretty good. You get to the end and the boss is so good with the "dark side of the force" that your arms are sore after you eventually do beat the game.Mar 27 13:24
DaemonFC[m]All of the good Star Wars games were like that. They plays like that. The Dark Side is basically Machiavellianism. The Dark Side characters are tougher because they're willing to misuse the force in order to attack and kill and serve their own ambitions. A Jedi is limited to defending himself and using it for knowledge.Mar 27 13:26
DaemonFC[m]*playMar 27 13:26
DaemonFC[m]The Dark Side characters in the movies and books often do win (Qui-Gon Jinn _and Obi Wan Kenobi barely managed to defeat Darth Maul, who tricked them and lived through being cut in half and thrown down a pit), or come close (Palpatine would have killed Luke Skywalker without Vader turning on him because he was using too much of his power to notice his control on Vader slipping), or at least come close.Mar 27 13:29
DaemonFC[m]The subtext of course is that Machiavellian people have a weakness. They're blinded by their own ambition to the point where they miss something obvious.Mar 27 13:29
techrights-botVideos: How the #FreeSoftwareFoundation Defied the Corporate Media and an Online Mob That Media Was Herding • 𝗧𝗲𝗰𝗵𝗿𝗶𝗴𝗵𝘁𝘀 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2021/03/27/free-software-foundation-was-right/ •●• #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/27/free-software-foundation-was-right/Mar 27 13:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Videos: How the Free Software Foundation Defied the Corporate Media and an Online Mob That Media Was Herding | TechrightsMar 27 13:30
DaemonFC[m]I think GTA is pretty balanced, but politicians are lying about it.Mar 27 13:32
schestowitzneeding the linelightMar 27 13:32
schestowitzbashing games gets them attentionMar 27 13:32
schestowitzbecause it's so controversialMar 27 13:32
schestowitzJack Thompson in Florida...Mar 27 13:33
schestowitziirc, he was disbarred eventuallyMar 27 13:33
DaemonFC[m]And it's obvious why. They have to go back to voters and promise them easy solutions. It doesn't sell when you go to voters in a high crime district and say the cops should be out there arresting their children and they need to stop promoting thug culture.Mar 27 13:33
DaemonFC[m]Bye, see ya, onto the guy who blames a video game.Mar 27 13:33
DaemonFC[m]mjg59 probably sees a lot of that in the ghetto....in the ghetto.Mar 27 13:34
DaemonFC[m]:)Mar 27 13:34
DaemonFC[m]No, blaming video games "isn't racist".Mar 27 13:34
DaemonFC[m]Calling criminals losers who are either going to plug each other or end up in jail eventually isn't politically correct.Mar 27 13:35
DaemonFC[m]You piss off gamers, who maybe need to pay attention that hey this guy is an idiot, and look to see what they can do to vote as a bloc to support a primary challenger or something.Mar 27 13:36
schestowitzOliva:Mar 27 13:36
schestowitz> My own observations are that the outbursts in LibrePlanet IRC channelsMar 27 13:36
schestowitz> was unanimously favorable (lots of cheering and clapping and YAY!, I wasMar 27 13:36
schestowitz> so moved that I even failed to express it myself :-)Mar 27 13:36
schestowitz> Mar 27 13:36
schestowitz> As expected, corporate media didn't have good words to share about it.Mar 27 13:36
schestowitz> Broader community reactions seem to be mixed, also as expected, but I'mMar 27 13:36
schestowitz> surprised and happy to see strong responses and bs-calling in theMar 27 13:36
schestowitz> relitigation of the nonsense raised against Richard.Mar 27 13:36
DaemonFC[m]I mean, they have online chat communities. Why aren't they working as a group to take down the politicians who are behind this?Mar 27 13:36
DaemonFC[m]You should be pissing off anyone who goes, "Hey, asshole. We have a constitution that says freedom of expression!".Mar 27 13:37
DaemonFC[m]Because the same people who want to ban video games are trying to cancel Dr. Seuss and throw books into a pile to be burned.Mar 27 13:37
DaemonFC[m]And we all know where that ends.Mar 27 13:37
DaemonFC[m]The guy dumping the lighter fluid on the books is mjg59, as soon as he gets done signing petitions hosted on shithub that people laugh at.Mar 27 13:38
DaemonFC[m]He's weak and ineffectual, and he deflects by attempting to troll.Mar 27 13:38
DaemonFC[m]But he's so comically deficient in his arguments that they fall apart immediately, often within the first few sentences of his citation.Mar 27 13:39
DaemonFC[m]That's why they need safe spaces.Mar 27 13:39
DaemonFC[m]They rot certain online communities and cancel people who have a difference of opinion with a CoC, but you can build a new community somewhere else.Mar 27 13:39
psydroidThe most disappointing thing for me is that Red Hat as the so-called prime advocate for free (or later on open source, when the corruption had already set in) software decided to side with IBM and Microsoft rather than the free software community, considering it was doing well enough financially and wasn't fighting for its survival like those other companies were doingMar 27 13:40
DaemonFC[m]The problem is that Microsoft will eventually buy Discord, which has been pretty open up until now, and then shove a CoC on it, and then user growth will plateau and then go into terminal decline, and it'll be another expensive write off.Mar 27 13:40
DaemonFC[m]Because few people want to be controlled the way the PC Nazi babies like Garrett and Microsoft want to control them.Mar 27 13:40
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft corrupts either by buying or by having patsies ruin platforms and communities by trolling and sockpuppetry.Mar 27 13:41
DaemonFC[m]And they haven't bought Matrix dot org or Element, yet, but they're corrupting by positioning patsies everywhere.Mar 27 13:42
schestowitzpsydroid: very true!Mar 27 13:42
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DaemonFC[m]On what's left of IRC as well.Mar 27 13:42
schestowitzSee what I said about them in the video minutes ago (just published)Mar 27 13:42
schestowitzbut... I won't boycott IBM/Red HatMar 27 13:42
schestowitzI will respond if they boycott our leadersMar 27 13:42
DaemonFC[m]Garret can be a patsy on IRC because there's a Matrix bridge, so he can work against two communities at the same time.Mar 27 13:43
schestowitzwe can do better than themMar 27 13:43
schestowitzthey are the intolerant onesMar 27 13:43
DaemonFC[m]The bridges have made Matrix a vampire squid, because there's little incentive to write or maintain IRC clients now.Mar 27 13:43
DaemonFC[m]Matrix will just bridge into them and half your users will be bridged in, not actually running IRC.Mar 27 13:44
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: Mar 27 13:44
schestowitzMicrosoft: "Mind Control: To control mental output you have to control mental input.  Take control of the channels by which developers receive information, then they can only think about the things you tell them.  Thus, you control mindshare!"Mar 27 13:44
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/comes-3096.pdfMar 27 13:44
schestowitzbbiabMar 27 13:44
schestowitzwanna record somethingMar 27 13:44
psydroidMicrosoft(-connected) people call me a freeloader tell me to go and see a psychiatrist and if I tell them outright they are astroturfers and I support them in their endeavours to seek help themselves, they go berserkMar 27 13:44
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft is taking over Rust because it already had developer attention.Mar 27 13:44
psydroidI always treat people the way they treat me, which is a good and a bad thing, but I can't help itMar 27 13:44
DaemonFC[m]It's a lot of things, but I don't believe it's stupidly designed.Mar 27 13:45
DaemonFC[m]Maybe it can be bent that way if Microsoft keeps "buying in".Mar 27 13:45
DaemonFC[m]They did a Java VM and then when they got people hooked on it because of great performance on Windows, they started crapping it up with non-standard classes that depended on Win32.Mar 27 13:46
DaemonFC[m]In a sense, it became "better" (on Windows anyway), to use an API that was Java-like, but a stub to Win32.Mar 27 13:46
DaemonFC[m]Sun did a lot of things to shoot themselves in the foot, like licensing it to Microsoft in the first place.Mar 27 13:47
psydroidI never used Visual J++, but the Sun JVM and Borland JBuilderMar 27 13:47
DaemonFC[m]But also, not designing it in a way that ran particularly well on PCs of the time.Mar 27 13:47
DaemonFC[m]In Netscape, you'd come across sites that used Java and it would grind your hard drive for 20 seconds just "starting java......".Mar 27 13:48
DaemonFC[m]So I turned Java off because the applets were usually something unwanted and stupid that took forever on dial up.Mar 27 13:48
DaemonFC[m]It's always faster to not load something than it is to load it, on any connection.Mar 27 13:49
psydroidI got a pre-release version of Visual Studio .NET and .NET Framework 1.0 and wrote some code to experiment with it, but abandoned it when I realised that they wouldn't allow you to access low-level APIsMar 27 13:49
DaemonFC[m]I wasn't even considering security. It was just so annoying to have Java start up.Mar 27 13:49
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DaemonFC[m]And then the bundled JVM with Netscape was horrible. Eventually, Netscape co-existed with more modern browsers that could load a regular Java runtime, but the Netscape one would spend a bunch of time starting to error out or crash the browser completely.Mar 27 13:50
DaemonFC[m]Sun hurt itself in a lot of ways.Mar 27 13:50
DaemonFC[m]I think it was 2002, I noticed there was a Netscape 4.8 and I'm like "WTF.... Why are they even releasing this?". Contractual obligations to support it apparently.Mar 27 13:51
DaemonFC[m]Firefox isn't decaying that badly yet, I guess.Mar 27 13:53
DaemonFC[m]The 4.0 series of Netscape was just awful and they kept patching it up for over 4 years, and it just never ended with the bugs.Mar 27 13:54
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: It's the browser that gets the most recognizable screen time in Stargate SG-1 though.Mar 27 13:54
DaemonFC[m]I started distributing a "Custom Edition" of Netscape 4.x that rebased on whatever AOL was releasing but used an ISP customization kit.Mar 27 13:55
DaemonFC[m]I'm pretty sure it violated the EULA, btw.Mar 27 13:55
DaemonFC[m]I gutted it of most of the bundled AOL software and removed the "Shop" button and some other stuff.Mar 27 13:56
DaemonFC[m]It had a prefs file much like Firefox does, and it turns out that which buttons were displayed in the toolbar could be set there.Mar 27 13:57
DaemonFC[m]AOL put this big fat Shop button right next to the Stop button.Mar 27 13:57
DaemonFC[m]I got pissed off because a stop button actually made a lot of sense on dial up if there was some huge resource loading. Some Windows users who made websites would just shove a bitmap file on their website, or take a huge resolution JPEG and resize it using an HTML tag. Mar 27 13:59
DaemonFC[m]But AOL obviously stuffed this thing here so you'd accidentally hit it and go to an online shopping portal.Mar 27 14:00
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tr_guest|15865huh? irc has always been a text based mistery to me :DMar 27 14:15
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tr_guest|15865was just reading http://techrights.org/2019/09/17/rms-witch-hunt/, feels actual these daysMar 27 14:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Why I Once Called for Richard Stallman to Step Down | TechrightsMar 27 14:16
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techrights-botToday in #Techrights • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149299 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMar 27 14:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesMar 27 14:28
techrights-bot#HowTo Clean Up Snap Versions to Free Up Disk Space • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149300 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMar 27 14:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to Clean Up Snap Versions to Free Up Disk Space | Tux MachinesMar 27 14:28
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MinceRDaemonFC[m]: what caught my eye was something that looked like xchat but with a nicklist also on the left side, or at least the widgets on top of the nicklist also on the left sideMar 27 14:38
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MinceRAriadne: Hellwig v VMware also seems to break provisions against patent treacheryMar 27 14:40
MinceRall it takes for a parasite to embed the entire codebase into something much larger that is proprietary, and boom, no more GPLv3Mar 27 14:41
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CrystalMaththe signatures for the good letter - it's over 3000!Mar 27 14:46
CrystalMathi really wish we stopped with this +m stuffMar 27 14:47
CrystalMathit was better as a free speech channelMar 27 14:47
sleepy-wokegood letter for what? (just got here)Mar 27 14:47
MinceRthe one in support of rmsMar 27 14:47
sleepy-wokewhere can I find it?Mar 27 14:48
CrystalMathhttps://rms-support-letter.github.io/Mar 27 14:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rms-support-letter.github.io | An open letter in support of Richard M. Stallman | An open letter in support of RMS.Mar 27 14:48
CrystalMathyou can sign without githubMar 27 14:48
CrystalMaththere are ways, it says on the pageMar 27 14:48
sleepy-wokethat's good news, thx!Mar 27 14:48
sleepy-wokeso, to summarize, is this another round of witchhunting?Mar 27 14:50
schestowitzrMar 27 14:52
schestowitz> Saw the video, nice! The last time I was on ars technica was when the info about MS repos and VS was in Raspberry Pi OS. Comments were all for MS and I was like... this is NOT the ars I remember. Mar 27 14:52
schestowitz> P.S. I rolled out a distro for pi based on bullseye - no windows repos! :)Mar 27 14:52
schestowitzsleepy-woke: it's a recycled effortMar 27 14:52
schestowitzthey have a go every decade or soMar 27 14:52
schestowitz1998 OSIMar 27 14:52
MinceRit's an attempt by parasites to take over the FSF by installing their own management thereMar 27 14:52
schestowitz2009: "emacs virgins" phony 'scandalMar 27 14:52
schestowitz2019:  pretending he supports rapeMar 27 14:53
MinceRthey make use of a horde of crybullies to make it happenMar 27 14:53
DaemonFC[m]Then there was the dumbed down XChat.Mar 27 14:53
*schestowitz gives voice to zleapMar 27 14:53
DaemonFC[m]The one that GNOME developers did.Mar 27 14:53
schestowitzraspi OS fork on the way...Mar 27 14:53
schestowitzthe community is getting strongerMar 27 14:54
schestowitznow we know our enemies betterMar 27 14:54
schestowitzthey showed their cardsMar 27 14:54
sleepy-wokeit's really depressing seeing so many famous projects and individuals jumping on the bandwagon...Mar 27 14:55
MinceRwell, yeahMar 27 14:56
MinceRbut now you know their worthMar 27 14:56
sleepy-wokegood god, even the Tor project...Mar 27 14:57
schestowitzThis is funny:Mar 27 14:59
schestowitz> I know you've been busy lately :) but here's an update on voting process at OSI... if you haven't heard.Mar 27 14:59
schestowitz> Re-vote at OSI was a no go today... but received an email about the future plan in an update? Content here:Mar 27 14:59
schestowitz> https://opensource.org/election_updateMar 27 14:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.org | OSI Election Update: Trust and Transparency in the 2021 Board Election | Open Source InitiativeMar 27 14:59
schestowitz> Mar 27 14:59
schestowitzI do an article about it atmMar 27 14:59
zleapcoolMar 27 14:59
schestowitzsleepy-woke: Tor as a project doesn't work for software freedomMar 27 14:59
schestowitzso they showed their cardsMar 27 14:59
zleapyay i have voice, thanksMar 27 14:59
schestowitzsome people could not be convincedMar 27 14:59
zleapschestowitz, long time no chatMar 27 14:59
schestowitzbut now they see what tor stands for... or notMar 27 14:59
zleapwe used to communciate on mastodon Mar 27 14:59
schestowitzzleap: same name?Mar 27 14:59
zleapyesMar 27 14:59
schestowitzyes, mastodon is volatileMar 27 15:00
schestowitzinstances shutting downMar 27 15:00
zleapah not goodMar 27 15:00
schestowitztwice in a row in my caseMar 27 15:00
zleapwhy, or is that down to the content you were postingMar 27 15:00
schestowitzIRC is easier to work with anywayMar 27 15:00
sleepy-wokewhat could be a viable chat alternative? self hosted matrix and the likes?Mar 27 15:00
schestowitzall that social control media with notifications is really difficultMar 27 15:00
zleapit is for conversationsMar 27 15:00
zleapirc that isMar 27 15:00
schestowitzsleepy-woke: that's also an optionMar 27 15:01
schestowitzwe talked about it here 2 days agMar 27 15:01
schestowitz*agoMar 27 15:01
superkuhWe should all just leave netcat open on an agreed upon port and connect directly to each other using IP address. :|Mar 27 15:01
sleepy-wokethere could be some serious natting probs xDMar 27 15:02
MinceRor we could run sshd on an eepsite (or hidden service) on the same host as an ircd :>Mar 27 15:03
MinceRapparently the i2p term is "i2p server tunnel"Mar 27 15:04
sleepy-wokehaven't used i2p in a long time, is it still active?Mar 27 15:05
sleepy-wokeseems to be, I'll give it another round :)Mar 27 15:05
MinceRnot sure, but at least it isn't controlled by crybulliesMar 27 15:07
schestowitzbtw, it's very very difficult to have quick conversations in social control media sitesMar 27 15:07
schestowitzthey don't have usability in mindMar 27 15:08
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schestowitzthe "everything as a web page" mentality is harming the "UX" cargo cult's creedMar 27 15:08
schestowitzsome things ought to be an applicationMar 27 15:08
schestowitzlike KNode for NNTPMar 27 15:08
sleepy-wokebzzz.. did I hear electron? xDMar 27 15:08
schestowitzor thunderbird for emailMar 27 15:09
sleepy-wokethunderbird ftw, really can't stand webmailMar 27 15:09
DaemonFC[m]Nintendo price fixing.Mar 27 15:10
DaemonFC[m]Even Gonad eventually understood it.Mar 27 15:10
DaemonFC[m]He was looking for a "deal" on a video game his grandson wanted, and the price was always within a nickel at any store he was at, and I said, "Well, Nintendo uses its monopoly by setting the number of copies in circulation. The only way to get a better deal is to wait for the game to be old enough that there are used copies that people are tired of that Nintendo has to compete with.".Mar 27 15:11
DaemonFC[m]But now with "Downloadable Content", they took away the second use market too.Mar 27 15:11
sleepy-woketalk about nintendo, never seen their first parties on saleMar 27 15:12
DaemonFC[m]The price of NES, SNES, and N64 cartridges has gone way up again.Mar 27 15:12
DaemonFC[m]Should have held onto those.Mar 27 15:12
DaemonFC[m]Over the years, they get damaged or destroyed. Nobody is making new ones.Mar 27 15:12
sleepy-wokeand if buy a darn digital game, you can't share its expansions in the same family accountMar 27 15:13
sleepy-wokei argued with their customer support, for nothingMar 27 15:13
zleapthis is the problem with non free stuff ehMar 27 15:13
sleepy-wokethey're going beyond the old system, with digital you haven't even a cart to keep for yourself or to shareMar 27 15:14
zleapyeahMar 27 15:14
DaemonFC[m]Gog sells them on reasonable terms I guess.Mar 27 15:15
zleapall the more reason for this current fsf crisis to be resolved, the fsf to emerge stronger and start taking some true leadershipMar 27 15:15
DaemonFC[m]No DRM. Money back if they can't get it to work on your computer for some reason.Mar 27 15:15
DaemonFC[m]That's more than you usually get.Mar 27 15:15
schestowitzzleap: crisis?Mar 27 15:15
schestowitzmaybe pr issueMar 27 15:15
schestowitzbut I work on an article atmMar 27 15:16
schestowitzif you want to help me proofreadMar 27 15:16
schestowitzit contradicts that thesis about "crisis"Mar 27 15:16
zleapwell both,  end of the day, the fsf needs to emerge strogerMar 27 15:16
schestowitzlots of free publicityMar 27 15:16
zleapand learn from what has happenedMar 27 15:16
sleepy-wokewell... i don't think that the fsf can be "saved", at this point. too many snowflakesMar 27 15:16
schestowitzThe FSF Got a Tonne of Free Media Coverage/Publicity While the OSI Goes Defunct Completely (a Corpse of an Institution, Weaponised Against Free Software)Mar 27 15:16
schestowitzI am waiting for the video to finish uploading (200mb)Mar 27 15:16
zleapah okMar 27 15:16
schestowitzsleepy-woke: no, loud minorityMar 27 15:17
schestowitzI am told by insiders the people inside, the core people, are happyMar 27 15:17
zleapi have send some ideas to the libreplanet list,  if concerns are raised you need to listen and take them seriously then resolve the issuesMar 27 15:17
schestowitzjust a bit surprised by the intensity of the counter-attackMar 27 15:17
zleapit could be a simple mis understanding, but people should feel safe at workMar 27 15:17
schestowitzgnome, osi, fsfe etc. were always against them and rmsMar 27 15:18
zleapschestowitz, well i think this has been festering for a while,  it was probably a matter of timeMar 27 15:18
schestowitzthey only "like" FSF is it takes orders from sponsors such as GoogleMar 27 15:18
schestowitzthey don't like the FSFMar 27 15:18
schestowitzthey try to control the FSF and change itMar 27 15:18
zleappeople need to feel safe at work, and this is from experience of someone who has not felt safe in the work placeMar 27 15:19
zleapso a lot of my ideas on dealing with things, comes from experience(s)Mar 27 15:19
sleepy-woke you mean that they are supporting the current witchhunt to avoid the risk of being dumped?Mar 27 15:19
zleapsleepy-woke, showing their true colours and aligence or shooting themselves in the foot depending on how you look at itMar 27 15:20
sleepy-wokethat makes sense, unfortunatelyMar 27 15:20
sleepy-wokeI wonder, what could be an effective way of opposing the mob?Mar 27 15:22
schestowitz"Safe" as in... work security?Mar 27 15:22
schestowitzemployment?Mar 27 15:22
sleepy-wokeI think zleap meant exactly thatMar 27 15:22
zleapschestowitz, being able to feel safe at work,  raise concerns or worries and be listened to, which is not jst about others behavioir,  problems at home , you speak up and someone can helpMar 27 15:23
zleapbut also an open plan office is less easy for people to get too close or try and harrass you Mar 27 15:24
zleapwhere as closed pods make it easier,  no one can see you or others, Mar 27 15:24
zleapor you may need time off for family issues, you should not be afraid to ask, for help in that respectMar 27 15:25
schestowitzthose are rareMar 27 15:25
zleapyesMar 27 15:25
schestowitzemployers feel threatened Mar 27 15:25
schestowitzby any criticsMar 27 15:25
schestowitzI triedMar 27 15:25
schestowitzand got in trouble at timesMar 27 15:25
schestowitzbut eventually the managers got firedMar 27 15:25
zleapso we need to build a better work place thenMar 27 15:25
schestowitzit's risky, but sometimes it's wotth itMar 27 15:25
schestowitzthe FSF seems more open and receptive to critics... than the mob attacking its right to existMar 27 15:26
zleapwomen feel very threatened by men, still get whistles, comments etcMar 27 15:26
zleapschestowitz, i am suggestig ideas as it is more constructive to saying the fsf should do, or should have done moreMar 27 15:26
schestowitzthat's a societal cultural thingMar 27 15:26
zleapschestowitz, indeedMar 27 15:26
schestowitzhappens a lot outside the workplace tooMar 27 15:26
schestowitzcab drivers, shop keepers...Mar 27 15:26
schestowitzso it's not limited to workplacesMar 27 15:27
schestowitzjust as it's wrong to assert free software is intolerant... any more than CS/STEM or society in generalMar 27 15:27
schestowitzthose are PR tricksMar 27 15:27
zleapbut i think in toronto buses can drop women off at street corners for example it is a safety thing so the are closer to home or other stopsMar 27 15:27
schestowitzand the whole "let's drop master" stuff if designed to cause infightingMar 27 15:27
zleapschestowitz, i understand master / slave in the context of hard disks has nothing to do with slaveryMar 27 15:28
schestowitzyes, but it's a non-issueMar 27 15:28
zleapthat is just an excuse by the mob to attack / cancel peopleMar 27 15:28
schestowitzthey use their media to say it isMar 27 15:28
schestowitzand then people fightMar 27 15:28
zleapthey want to divide Mar 27 15:28
sleepy-wokethe master / slave issue is absurdMar 27 15:28
schestowitzyes, it's a tacticMar 27 15:28
schestowitzit's in their strategy documentsMar 27 15:29
schestowitzto weaken the rivals you divide themMar 27 15:29
zleapi can see how it makes sense, but it is still nonsense when there are currently people being shot for protsting in myanmarMar 27 15:29
schestowitzand then they destroy each otherMar 27 15:29
zleapperhaps if they want to complain about human rights, they should cancel the myanmar leaders Mar 27 15:29
zleapcomplain, - stand up for human rightsMar 27 15:29
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2020/06/24/freedom-of-speech/Mar 27 15:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Let’s Ban Bombings, Not Words (Corporations Taking Away People’s Freedom of Speech So They Can Bomb ‘in Peace’) | TechrightsMar 27 15:29
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2020/09/29/banning-the-word-master/http://techrights.org/2020/09/29/banning-the-word-master/Mar 27 15:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM Fought for ‘Master Race’ and Now It’s Banning the Word ‘Master’ | TechrightsMar 27 15:30
zleappeople forget history or the bits they want to forgetMar 27 15:31
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zleapwhere as history is too intertwined together for thatMar 27 15:31
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schestowitzthat's the job of PR peopleMar 27 15:32
schestowitzIBM sends PR people at usMar 27 15:32
schestowitzto say IBM is against racismMar 27 15:32
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schestowitzThey've been doing that for a decade or more http://techrights.org/2011/06/01/ibm-pr-fails/Mar 27 15:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM PR is ‘Shaping’ the News (and Asks to Remain Secret) | TechrightsMar 27 15:35
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schestowitzyou have to wonder what rhey told PJ/Groklaw..Mar 27 15:35
schestowitzmaybe as remnant from the old days...Mar 27 15:36
schestowitzIBM still a lot of leverage over the mediaMar 27 15:36
zleapyeaMar 27 15:36
zleapand i guess educationMar 27 15:36
schestowitzlots of employees there.... many on legal department (patent extortion) and "sales"Mar 27 15:36
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schestowitzthey now work with the 'Ljnux' Foundation to erase their pastMar 27 15:37
schestowitzthey totally googlebombed the mediaMar 27 15:37
schestowitzsponsoring LF, which in turn bribes publishersMar 27 15:37
schestowitzto say IBM does projects against racismMar 27 15:37
schestowitznot even once acknowledging past and present racist contractsMar 27 15:37
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schestowitzthey work with Palantir nowMar 27 15:38
zleaplets hope the fsf follow the advice, keep you friends close, and your enemies closer (or whatever the actual wording is)Mar 27 15:38
zleapeven the initial debian statement has caused anger (or I get that impression) as it isn't representative of the whole communityMar 27 15:39
schestowitzno, it's not a good proverb for FSFMar 27 15:39
schestowitzthey should not keep enemies closerMar 27 15:39
zleapokMar 27 15:39
schestowitzit's what eating themMar 27 15:39
zleapi think that is more about keeping an eye on them i thinkMar 27 15:40
schestowitzBen Mako-Hill suggested distancing themselves further from Open SourceMar 27 15:40
schestowitzand now it seems clear he was rightMar 27 15:40
zleapyehMar 27 15:40
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schestowitzthey're backstabbersMar 27 15:40
zleapi think you are right thereMar 27 15:40
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zleapmaybe they need to bump up hurd developmentMar 27 15:40
schestowitzDebian leadership if problematicMar 27 15:40
schestowitz*isMar 27 15:40
MinceRhurd is deadMar 27 15:40
schestowitzand divisive where it's unnecessaryMar 27 15:40
zleapah okMar 27 15:41
MinceRhttps://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/open_issues/systemd.htmlMar 27 15:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gnu.org | systemdMar 27 15:41
schestowitzMinceR: sort ofMar 27 15:41
schestowitzthere are better kernels nowMar 27 15:41
MinceRa multiserver microkernel OS is pointless if it incorporates the world's biggest single point of failureMar 27 15:41
zleapah okMar 27 15:42
schestowitzhttp://charles.plessy.org/Debian/debi%C3%A2neries/grToxique/Mar 27 15:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-charles.plessy.org | GR toxiqueMar 27 15:43
schestowitz"Many quickly reacted to the return of rms to the FSF and asked that he leaves again; some also asked for the whole board of directors to resign and some not. Meanwhile, Debian discusses a general resolution on that matter. Maybe it was not the original intent, but in practice the object of the GR is about FSF's board of directors. Perhaps we will have the result after rms resigns? Like many GRs, it will divide Debian and leave scars, Mar 27 15:43
schestowitzat least a tally sheet of who voted what, and who voted like whom."Mar 27 15:43
zleapi know there are some project leaders who see fit to abuse others,  i just hope the fsf can distance them selves from those projects too, as part of a leadershoip showing respectMar 27 15:43
zleappeople can leave projects as easily as they startedMar 27 15:44
zleapand do thatMar 27 15:44
zleapDebian cannot really afford to lose people it is struggling in places as it is to maintain pacakgesMar 27 15:45
zleapneither can any projectMar 27 15:45
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zleapa vote for and against does not tell the story, i support RMS as he supports 4 freedoms,  i made my cmments on safe spaces to stop or hopefully stop similar situations on non action happening againMar 27 15:46
zleapcommentsMar 27 15:47
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CrystalMatha safe-space from false accusations? that's something new that i have never seenMar 27 15:49
CrystalMathsafe spaces are meant to prop up people who complain about everythngMar 27 15:49
CrystalMath*everythingMar 27 15:49
zleaplike i said a safe space allows you to raise concerns or talk about any problems so employers can help youMar 27 15:50
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zleapcould be a change to working hours or anything,  so you feel able to speak upMar 27 15:51
schestowitz__is that what "Safe space" means now?Mar 27 15:51
zleapi dunno, people should feel safe and not subject to abuse anywhereMar 27 15:52
schestowitz__emotionalMar 27 15:52
zleaplockdown in the Uk has resulted in an increase in reports of domestic abuseMar 27 15:53
schestowitz__not just UKMar 27 15:54
zleapindeedMar 27 15:54
schestowitz__well, people spend more time with other people at homeMar 27 15:54
schestowitz__so it is inevitableMar 27 15:54
schestowitz__but office space abuse likely decreasedMar 27 15:54
zleapesp during lockdown when work places are closedMar 27 15:54
schestowitz__fewer jobs, fewer officesMar 27 15:54
zleapI think you said earlier all the whistling and comments towards people come from social issues,  Mar 27 15:55
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schestowitz__some homes are not even suitable for the number of tenantsMar 27 15:55
zleapindeedMar 27 15:55
schestowitz__they assume some are away somewhere, at least part of the timeMar 27 15:55
zleapand some tennants are scared to speak out in case they get kicked out by landlordsMar 27 15:56
schestowitz__so densely populated towns and overcrowded homes will have more abuse in themMar 27 15:56
schestowitz__landMainsMar 27 15:56
schestowitz__or LandLeadersMar 27 15:56
zleapwell given the impact on mental health this last year has had on people perhaps there will be some changes Mar 27 15:57
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schestowitz__protest laws changingMar 27 15:57
schestowitz__changes afootMar 27 15:57
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schestowitz__to limit the 'plebs' gatheringMar 27 15:57
schestowitz__"to protect them"Mar 27 15:57
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zleapschestowitz__, on a tech rights viewpoint what do you think to amazon apparently forcing employees in to biometric trackingMar 27 15:58
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #ProjectCensored #bezos #policestate ☞ Amazon’s Ring Proactively Partnering with #Police Across the United States - Validated Independent News https://www.projectcensored.org/amazons-ring-proactively-partnering-with-police-across-the-united-states/Mar 27 15:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.projectcensored.org | Amazon’s Ring Proactively Partnering with Police Across the United States - Validated Independent NewsMar 27 15:58
schestowitz__zleap: this was brought up earlier todayMar 27 15:59
schestowitz__[11:38] <techrights-bot> ● NEWS ● #TruthOut ☞ Internal Documents Show Amazon Knows Its Drivers Urinate, Defecate in Trucks https://truthout.org/articles/leaked-documents-show-amazon-knows-its-drivers-urinate-defecate-in-trucks/Mar 27 15:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Internal Documents Show Amazon Knows Its Drivers Urinate, Defecate in TrucksMar 27 15:59
zleaphttps://www.chargedretail.co.uk/2021/03/24/amazon-is-forcing-drivers-to-sign-biometric-consent-forms-or-risk-being-sacked/Mar 27 15:59
schestowitz__[13:13] <techrights-bot> ● NEWS ● #EFF ☞ Dystopia Prime: #Amazon Subjects Its Drivers to Biometric #Surveillance https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/03/dystopia-prime-amazon-subjects-its-drivers-biometric-surveillance RMS warned about such things, but EFF attacks RMS and takes surveillance $ from GoogleMar 27 15:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.chargedretail.co.uk | Amazon is forcing drivers to sign "biometric consent" forms or risk being sacked - Latest Retail Technology News From Across The Globe - ChargedMar 27 15:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | Dystopia Prime: Amazon Subjects Its Drivers to Biometric Surveillance | Electronic Frontier FoundationMar 27 15:59
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zleapso maybe the definition of safe work spaces need to also include things like thisMar 27 16:00
schestowitz__NYTimes recently did an article about Amazon that quotes RMSMar 27 16:00
schestowitz__and it was about boycotting AmazonMar 27 16:00
schestowitz__or a life without AmazonMar 27 16:00
schestowitz__I boycott it myself... since foreverMar 27 16:00
schestowitz__some workplaces are not even lawfulMar 27 16:01
schestowitz__but without enforcement of the law they get away with it... or pay some finesMar 27 16:01
zleapschestowitz__, indeed, hence perhaps safe working environment can probably cover quite a range of issuesMar 27 16:01
zleapschestowitz__, a fine for amazon is small change for them i guessMar 27 16:02
schestowitz__because they design the lawMar 27 16:02
zleapyeahMar 27 16:02
schestowitz__it'll never be billions in finesMar 27 16:02
schestowitz__or death sentence to the company Mar 27 16:02
schestowitz__"we hereby shut you down"Mar 27 16:02
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zleapwell facebook have shown they can block the news to force or try and force what they wantMar 27 16:02
schestowitz__"assets seized by state for crimes against workers"Mar 27 16:03
lockeanarchistfunny that they are always more concerned about UEMar 27 16:03
lockeanarchistbecause UE is a little more strictMar 27 16:03
lockeanarchist*EUMar 27 16:03
zleapahMar 27 16:03
zleapso yes, safe place to work should be very broad,  we have the health and safety at work act for a reason,  right to work act, and coming in laws to protect staff from abuse, assault from customersMar 27 16:04
zleapnot that we need more laws for the latter, we need to enforce existing laws Mar 27 16:04
schestowitz__selective enforcementMar 27 16:04
schestowitz__apparently RMS needs to be sackedMar 27 16:05
schestowitz__"he looks at her funny..."Mar 27 16:05
zleaphe may yet be asked to leave, after any due process takes placeMar 27 16:05
zleaplets see what happensMar 27 16:06
zleaplooks like signatures are coming in,  maybe people are searching for actual statements as to what has happened rather than reading selective partsMar 27 16:07
laggy_well, believing everything one reads on the net from partial sources is never a good idea Mar 27 16:08
lockeanarchistwould be bad if rms do his own little parallel foundation to support some projects and advocacy?Mar 27 16:08
zleapyeahMar 27 16:08
laggy_it probably would be seen as a crazy man's nestMar 27 16:08
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schestowitz__no needMar 27 16:09
schestowitz__FSF is OKMar 27 16:09
zleapi think rms should perhaps just stick to taking about software freedom etc, and leave issues such as trans, etc out of itMar 27 16:09
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zleapesp as what he says gets taken out of context to attack himMar 27 16:09
zleapand will do, as the hate mob will just look at the past all the timeMar 27 16:10
laggy_the point is that he never talked about such issues from himself, and in some circumstances it would be seen even worse if he didn't give an answer at allMar 27 16:10
zleapyeahMar 27 16:10
zleaphe can't win Mar 27 16:10
zleappeople can't win on these issuesMar 27 16:10
schestowitz__they will find other grounds for attackMar 27 16:10
zleapindeedMar 27 16:10
schestowitz__so we do not identify the root causeMar 27 16:10
schestowitz__brbMar 27 16:11
zleapokMar 27 16:11
schestowitz__Checking http://techrights.org/2021/03/27/osi-completely-defunct/   report typos!Mar 27 16:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The FSF Got a Tonne of Free Media Coverage/Publicity While the OSI Goes Defunct Completely (a Corpse of an Institution, Weaponised Against Free Software) | TechrightsMar 27 16:11
zleaphttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-55158319Mar 27 16:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Amazon's Panorama box lets firms check if staff follow coronavirus rules - BBC NewsMar 27 16:11
laggy_didn't know OSI what still a thing Mar 27 16:11
lockeanarchistit isMar 27 16:12
zleapgiven that,  there are far more pressing issues that we need to address now,  we have got to make a stand against all this surveylanceMar 27 16:12
MinceRit exists, it just happens to work counter to its original purposeMar 27 16:12
psydroid<zleap "well facebook have shown they ca"> they have been able to do so because they initially misrepresented what their goals were and what they were doing, so people just went along not realising what kind of monster it actually was going to beMar 27 16:12
zleappsydroid, indeedMar 27 16:12
psydroidunfiltered RSS feeds is what we have needed all along, but unfortunately credible news sources have been dying outMar 27 16:12
lockeanarchistBut I think that OSI is just a corporate advocacy group, not a FLOSS agMar 27 16:12
zleapa good reason to push the fediverse, and help drive that forward, encourage people to set up their own instancesMar 27 16:13
zleapi am ona  few science RSS feedsMar 27 16:13
laggy_that's the only sensible way of really protecting one's privacyMar 27 16:13
zleaplaggy_, and this is where we need the fsf to eb strong , as these platforms run on free softwareMar 27 16:14
zleapeven if the fsf don't promote say Mastodon directlyMar 27 16:14
laggy_federation is an awesome concept but not always easily feasible, hence the comfort offered by the priersMar 27 16:15
zleapwhich reminds me i propbably have a social hub discussion to respond toMar 27 16:15
zleapyeahMar 27 16:15
zleapbut it is a start,  convincing others to dump facebook they are just blind to what is going on, Mar 27 16:16
laggy_i've seen a little spike in signal adoption, after the whatsapp dramaMar 27 16:17
lockeanarchistabout osi. even esr was cancelled last year by themMar 27 16:17
lockeanarchistdon't know the reasons thoMar 27 16:17
zleaplaggy_, there was yesMar 27 16:19
zleapI am linking to some fediverse flyers on my blog https://personaljournal.ca/paulsutton/tag:FediverseMar 27 16:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-personaljournal.ca | Fediverse — Paul SuttonMar 27 16:19
zleapwhich can be downloaded from the qoto gitlab Mar 27 16:20
zleaptry and do something to help with promotionMar 27 16:20
zleapor I am tryingMar 27 16:20
laggy_nice! and i've just read cloudflare... argh my rage is pumpingMar 27 16:21
zleapsorryMar 27 16:21
zleapi just use the servicesMar 27 16:22
MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/634648.jpgMar 27 16:22
techrights-botThe #FSF Got a Tonne of Free Media Coverage/Publicity While the #OSI Goes Defunct Completely (a Corpse of an Institution, Weaponised Against Free Software) • 𝗧𝗲𝗰𝗵𝗿𝗶𝗴𝗵𝘁𝘀 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2021/03/27/osi-completely-defunct/ •●• #Techrights #GNU #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/27/osi-completely-defunct/Mar 27 16:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The FSF Got a Tonne of Free Media Coverage/Publicity While the OSI Goes Defunct Completely (a Corpse of an Institution, Weaponised Against Free Software) | TechrightsMar 27 16:22
laggy_zleap: lol I read it on the flyer :>Mar 27 16:22
zleapi don't even understand what cloudflare is, or how to get round itMar 27 16:23
schestowitz__MinceR: it's  not even milkMar 27 16:23
schestowitz__not lactoseMar 27 16:23
zleapi didn't design them, i am just hosting them to help spread the wordMar 27 16:23
schestowitz__it's just water with stuff in itMar 27 16:23
MinceR:)Mar 27 16:23
schestowitz__"may contain some almond bits... and sugar"Mar 27 16:23
zleapit is like on the wallace and grommt film where grommit puts a box over wallace, box has label may contain nutsMar 27 16:24
laggy_could contain traces of Mar 27 16:24
DaemonFC[m]Someone donated a sweater to Goodwill with $42,000 in the pocket, and the employee that found it returned it to the owner.Mar 27 16:26
DaemonFC[m]When my grandmother died, she had over $60,000 in cigar boxes in the house.Mar 27 16:27
techrights-botCorporations do not want Stallman back at the #FSF (we did a detailed article about how the corporate media was spreading lies about what he had said and done); but that’s fine because the #FreeSoftwareFoundation (FSF) stands for people, whether they code or not • 𝗧𝗲𝗰𝗵𝗿𝗶𝗴𝗵𝘁𝘀 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2021/03/27/free-software-foundation-was-right/ gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03Mar 27 16:27
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DaemonFC[m]She had survived the Depression and didn't trust banks with their money, so it just piled up as the pension checks came in.Mar 27 16:27
laggy_that was a big pocket, and your grandma was a remarkable saver! Mar 27 16:27
DaemonFC[m]They owned their house and so their only real expenses were utilities and property tax.Mar 27 16:27
zleapi saw on the news a while back people found bottles of whisky in side their house, hidden since the prohibtion daysMar 27 16:27
zleapworth quite a lot of moneyMar 27 16:27
DaemonFC[m]My uncle found the money and he's a good man, so he told his brothers and sisters about it.Mar 27 16:28
zleap:)Mar 27 16:28
DaemonFC[m]They spent money on the funeral and then they split what was left in five ways.Mar 27 16:28
laggy_lucky! my family wasn't that friendly Mar 27 16:28
techrights-botFOSS Patents: #Samsung gets 'westerndistricted' by non-practicing entity asserting LED patents in Waco, TX ⇨ http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/03/samsung-gets-westerndistricted-by-non.html "undisputed "market leader" among all roughly 100 U.S. federal judicial districts. " •●• #fosspatentsMar 27 16:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: Samsung gets 'westerndistricted' by non-practicing entity asserting LED patents in Waco, TXMar 27 16:28
techrights-botThe ‘zombie’ body known as #OSI is totally destroyed (it cannot even figure out who speaks for it!); it’s incapable of resuscitating itself, so it’s just strapping on a suicide vest and trying everything it can possibly leverage to destroy the #FSF • 𝗧𝗲𝗰𝗵𝗿𝗶𝗴𝗵𝘁𝘀 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2021/03/27/osi-completely-defunct/ •●• #Techrights gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/Mar 27 16:29
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techrights-bot"This is the response I got from RMS. It sounds as if he strongly wantsthose minor points. Are we interested in having Debian be "the" GNU system? I'd rather be "the" Linux system and avoid the politics." http://techrights.org/transparency/debian/debian-private/msg00387.htmlMar 27 16:31
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DaemonFC[m]<laggy_ "that was a big pocket, and your "> My spouse was unhappy that I set up a 401(k) for him. His employer starts matching on the first pay period after his first year with the company, which is coming up.Mar 27 16:31
DaemonFC[m]I told him that if they're going to throw in a matching $2,000 a year, he's not going to leave that on the table because if he works there for 30 years, that's whatever the inflation adjusted amount of $60,000 extra would be.Mar 27 16:32
DaemonFC[m]In other words, a year and a half of pay forfeit if you don't contribute to your retirement account.Mar 27 16:32
techrights-bot"Highly undiplomatic behavior. The "Linux is not an operating system" flap he made on the linux-kernel list did not gain him anything, it just made him new enemies. Why, then, did he do it?" http://techrights.org/transparency/debian/debian-private/msg00660.htmlMar 27 16:32
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DaemonFC[m]Employers love those people who say "Why would I start a retirement account. I'm not going to retire from here!".Mar 27 16:33
DaemonFC[m]The money's yours, even if you got fired. You can roll it over into another 401(k).Mar 27 16:33
techrights-bot"Note that empathy is not the same thing as "yes sir, yes sir." And, frankly, I'm amazed at anyone who expresses reverence towards RMS." http://techrights.org/transparency/debian/debian-private/msg00666.htmlMar 27 16:34
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DaemonFC[m]Mandy works with a bunch of people who didn't save anything.Mar 27 16:35
techrights-botit is possible." http://techrights.org/transparency/debian/debian-private/msg00676.htmlMar 27 16:35
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DaemonFC[m]That should be a warning. Either put money in now and disregard it while it matches and grows, or figure out what working at Walmart is like when you're 70.Mar 27 16:35
zleapI think he wants people to acknolwedge that Linux (kernel) is linked to the gnu tools and licesne Mar 27 16:35
techrights-bot"Sometimes RMS won't agree with our interpretation of his goals, but much of the time, we should be able to reach a common ground. At least once, I was able to convince RMS to change his mind through some pressure and a lot of (somewhat) reasoned arguments. I know that it is possible." http://techrights.org/transparency/debian/debian-private/msg00676.htmlMar 27 16:35
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: I actually did some research. The ERISA law does exempt employer-sponsored 401(k)s from most garnishment creditors.Mar 27 16:36
zleapi think that is a good thing we don't always agree, it allows argumetns and counter arguments to view pointsMar 27 16:36
DaemonFC[m]The exceptions are federal (but not state) taxes, alimony, and child support.Mar 27 16:36
techrights-bot"I've just read an article from Richard Stallman (FSF) with the following title in gnu.announce: ! [ 82: Richard Stallman ] The FSF is no longer sponsoring Debian" http://techrights.org/transparency/debian/debian-private/msg00689.htmlMar 27 16:36
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zleaptechrights-bot, woah, so fall out from debians reaction thenMar 27 16:36
DaemonFC[m]I was thinking "But what if Mandy has a hospital bill and they just snatch all his retirement money.". But apparently this type of account can't be garnished.Mar 27 16:36
techrights-bot#RMS on enforcing against #Qt http://techrights.org/transparency/debian/debian-private/msg06707.htmlMar 27 16:37
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DaemonFC[m]I suppose that's one upside of having a government that doesn't do shit for you.Mar 27 16:37
DaemonFC[m]The immigration scheme has to consider whether you'll be a burden on the public, but since unpaid hospital bills are a gypsy curse on you, that's not their problem like it would be in a country with national healthcare.Mar 27 16:38
DaemonFC[m]In the UK, they're probably very concerned about letting in someone that could end up using the hospital.Mar 27 16:38
DaemonFC[m]In return, they'll want more evidence that you can pay a lot of taxes and won't have any health concerns for a while.Mar 27 16:39
techrights-ipfs ▕  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▃▃▅▅▄▁▂▅▃▄▅▅▁▅▃▄▃▄▂▃▃▄▅▄▃▃▄▃▅▃▅▅▃▃▄▅▆▆▁ avg(k/sec) 18.20 ▕  IPFS upstream: ▁▁▁▁▂▁▁▁▁▁▂▁▁▂▁▁▁▁▁▂▂▁▁▁▂▂▁▂▂▁▃▄▃▁▁ avg(k/sec) 4.85▕ swarm size (avg): 157.90  ⟲Mar 27 16:39
techrights-bot"The following is an exchange I've been having with Richard Stallman over yesterday and this morning. My conclusion is that what he is asking for is not stuff that it's reasonable for us to do, that that Debian can not work together with FSF." http://techrights.org/transparency/debian/debian-private/msg00329.htmlMar 27 16:40
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zleapif you are not a UK resident and need hospital care while here, you are meant to pay for itMar 27 16:40
zleapor something not too sureMar 27 16:40
techrights-bot2 years before #OSI http://techrights.org/transparency/debian/debian-private/msg00332.htmlMar 27 16:41
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laggy_some countries cover foreign healthcare costs, as long as it is a vacation stayMar 27 16:41
techrights-bot"THIS THING CALLED “OSI” was all along an attack on the FSF, which predates it by 13 years. Yes, 13 years. OSI’s unstated goal was to steal the thunder and grab the limelight" http://techrights.org/2021/03/27/osi-completely-defunct/Mar 27 16:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The FSF Got a Tonne of Free Media Coverage/Publicity While the OSI Goes Defunct Completely (a Corpse of an Institution, Weaponised Against Free Software) | TechrightsMar 27 16:41
techrights-bot#Debian GNU/Linux 10.9 “Buster” Released with 30 Security Updates, #GRUB2 Patches • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149301 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMar 27 16:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian GNU/Linux 10.9 “Buster” Released with 30 Security Updates, GRUB2 Patches | Tux MachinesMar 27 16:42
zleaptehre is a european health card to do thatMar 27 16:43
laggy_well, after OSI, we could talk about Microsoft's sudden love for Linux when they realized that their own cloud sucked... cough... azure .. coughMar 27 16:43
zleapi still don't trust microsofts love on Linux given their history of embrace, extend extinguishMar 27 16:43
laggy_of course they cannot be trustedMar 27 16:44
laggy_they're in there for the money, as google and amazonMar 27 16:44
zleapyeahMar 27 16:44
MinceRthere's no reason to trust themMar 27 16:44
zleapi got 2 go, have emailed the discussion link between rms and someone here to myself for later discussionMar 27 16:44
MinceRthey haven't stopped using patents to blackmail Linux device vendors into preinstalling microsoft malware on devicesMar 27 16:44
MinceRthey haven't showed the slightest bit of remorse or lack of hostilityMar 27 16:45
MinceRthey just lie in ads and people today are so stupid they tend to believe everything they see in adsMar 27 16:45
zleapthey lie in ads posted to facebookMar 27 16:45
zleapor as people call it fakebookMar 27 16:45
zleapanyway got 2 go, if ytou need me on fedi it's @zleap@qoto.org lets connnect and work together to help spread free software etcMar 27 16:46
zleapchat laterMar 27 16:46
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DaemonFC[m]https://abc7chicago.com/10451399/?ex_cid=TA_WLS_FB&utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A%20Trending%20Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebookMar 27 16:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-abc7chicago.com | 'F*** this place': Hot mic catches Southwest Airlines pilot's expletive-filled rant against San Francisco Bay Area - ABC7 ChicagoMar 27 16:48
MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/738751.jpgMar 27 16:50
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*psydroid believes putting Microsoft out of business is a first but necessary step to make the world a better placeMar 27 16:54
techrights-bot#debian leadership tactless dividing its own project/community. This will harm them. http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149083?page=1#comment-28858Mar 27 16:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Good News! Richard Stallman is Back at Free Software Foundation | Tux MachinesMar 27 16:59
techrights-bot#debian leadership tactlessly dividing its own project/community. This will harm them. http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149083?page=1#comment-28858Mar 27 17:00
techrights-botPutting a stain on your face https://hugelolcdn.com/i/738751.jpgMar 27 17:04
techrights-botToday’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149302 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMar 27 17:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesMar 27 17:05
techrights-botLinks 27/3/2021: #Debian GNU/Linux 10.9 and Speaking to the #Lutris Creator • 𝗧𝗲𝗰𝗵𝗿𝗶𝗴𝗵𝘁𝘀 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2021/03/27/debian-gnu-linux-10-9/ •●• #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/27/debian-gnu-linux-10-9/Mar 27 17:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 27/3/2021: Debian GNU/Linux 10.9 and Speaking to the Lutris Creator | TechrightsMar 27 17:25
techrights-bot#ProprietarySoftware and #DRM Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149303 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMar 27 17:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Proprietary Software and DRM Leftovers | Tux MachinesMar 27 17:25
techrights-botToday’s 𝐓𝐮𝐱 𝐌𝐚𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐞𝐬 Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149304 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMar 27 17:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux MachinesMar 27 17:25
AVRSschestowitz__: on the main page, there are links to IPFS and Gemini, but no obvious ways to get to articles on what they areMar 27 17:33
MinceRhttps://xkcd.com/2414/Mar 27 17:37
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DaemonFC[m]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mAz0PxiUaMMar 27 18:25
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MinceR(cat) https://imgur.com/gallery/pQmxoEuMar 27 18:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Same energy - Album on ImgurMar 27 18:35
MinceRhttps://gizmodo.com/you-seriously-need-to-update-your-iphone-right-now-1846563875Mar 27 18:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gizmodo.com | Apple Releases iOS 14.4.2 to Patch an Active Security ExploitMar 27 18:48
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MinceRhttps://xkcd.com/2415/Mar 27 21:01
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ephemer0lhttps://www.dw.com/en/venezuela-facebook-freezes-maduros-page-over-covid-misinformation/a-57026967Mar 27 21:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Venezuela: Facebook freezes Maduro′s page over COVID misinformation | News | DW | 27.03.2021Mar 27 21:13
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schestowitz__[17:33] <AVRS> schestowitz__: on the main page, there are links to IPFS and Gemini, but no obvious ways to get to articles on what they areMar 27 22:00
schestowitz__The assumption was, if you don't know what they are, you probably don't or won't careMar 27 22:00
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schestowitz__MinceR: ingur becoming unbearable without JSMar 27 22:04
schestowitz__and without consenting to spywareMar 27 22:04
MinceRthey also love deleting imagesMar 27 22:04
MinceRbut rehosting galleries isn't that easyMar 27 22:04
schestowitz__i cMar 27 22:04
*schestowitz__ gives voice to gullfaxi[m]Mar 27 22:05
*schestowitz__ gives voice to aindilisMar 27 22:05
schestowitz__ephemer0l: seems like a trendMar 27 22:06
schestowitz__get rid of those whom you don't like, now dress that up as "for safety" or "for health"Mar 27 22:06
schestowitz__http://techrights.org/2021/02/05/twitter-censorship-bingo/Mar 27 22:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Twitter Has Just Suspended the President of FFII for Naming Bill Gates Patent Profiteering and Factual Information About Twitter Censorship (Updated) | TechrightsMar 27 22:07
schestowitz__[18:48] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- gizmodo.com | Apple Releases iOS 14.4.2 to Patch an Active Security ExploitMar 27 22:08
schestowitz__buy the latest versionMar 27 22:08
schestowitz__the phone, not the OSMar 27 22:08
schestowitz__always stay a step ahead, get a loadMar 27 22:08
schestowitz__loanMar 27 22:08
schestowitz__MinceR: looks like they removed the carMar 27 22:09
MinceRmaybe their servers shat the bedMar 27 22:10
MinceRtoo much bloatMar 27 22:10
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schestowitz__long paste warning:Mar 27 22:29
schestowitz__Attention: Geoffrey Knauth, ChairmanMar 27 22:29
schestowitz__Dear Members of the Board:Mar 27 22:29
schestowitz__Re: The Reinstatement of Richard Stallman to the FSF BoardMar 27 22:29
schestowitz__I read, with enthusiasm, reports on RMS’ return to the board of the Free Software Foundation. Predictably, theMar 27 22:29
schestowitz__calls to reverse his reinstatement resound round the Web:Mar 27 22:29
schestowitz__“Richard M. Stallman, frequently known as RMS, has been a dangerous force in the free softwareMar 27 22:29
schestowitz__community for a long time”.[1]Mar 27 22:29
schestowitz__I agree that RMS is dangerous. He is a clear and present danger to those corporate vultures who - threatened byMar 27 22:29
schestowitz__the ascendancy of free software over their proprietary strongholds - sponsored the 2019 attack that cancelled hisMar 27 22:29
schestowitz__presidency. MIT professors reciprocated by cancelling his position as “Visiting Scientist” pretending that theyMar 27 22:29
schestowitz__didn’t know how to read. Should we be surprised that the most prominent of the calls to exile RMS from the veryMar 27 22:29
schestowitz__movement he founded is hosted by a Microsoft server?Mar 27 22:29
schestowitz__Just who is abusing women? The devices employed by the cancel vultures include abusing women, femaleMar 27 22:29
schestowitz__faces (who don’t code) exploited to advocate against RMS’ so-called “misogyny”. The reason sexist jokes areMar 27 22:29
schestowitz__embedded in hacker culture is because like puns, music and sci-fi, they are part of the hacker identity. To quoteMar 27 22:29
schestowitz__Madeline Albright “[f]rankly, this is not cojones” - the FSF caved in to the vultures; failed to rise up!!Mar 27 22:29
schestowitz__I am appalled that Alexandre Oliva, was asked to resign on account of his fundraising message suggesting thatMar 27 22:29
schestowitz__prospective members advise the FSF of their interest in having RMS reinstated. RMS will need allies by his side,Mar 27 22:29
schestowitz__not only to counter attacks by the vultures, but to realise a vision for the future of the FSF, GNU and the FreeMar 27 22:29
schestowitz__Software Movement itself.Mar 27 22:29
schestowitz__(written by female)Mar 27 22:29
schestowitz__MinceR: yeah, all that for an image of animation!Mar 27 22:29
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schestowitz__Re: Ehmke and creative commonsMar 27 22:40
schestowitz__> https://creativecommons.org/2021/03/19/open-minds-podcast-coraline-ada-ehmke-on-ethical-source/Mar 27 22:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-creativecommons.org | Open Minds Podcast: Coraline Ada Ehmke on Ethical Source - Creative CommonsMar 27 22:40
schestowitz__> Mar 27 22:40
schestowitz__> I had supported free culture. Mar 27 22:40
schestowitz__> I had even worked with the commons. Mar 27 22:40
schestowitz__> In 2014, I believe they closed their physical doors, not that this really matters but we were told for lack of funding. Mar 27 22:40
schestowitz__> Mar 27 22:40
schestowitz__> Ehmke and creative commons. Mar 27 22:40
schestowitz__> I will not support commons at all now. At. all.Mar 27 22:40
schestowitz__I saw that myself. I follow them over RSS.Mar 27 22:40
schestowitz__Then more people pointed this out to me as well..Mar 27 22:40
schestowitz__CC is clearly making itself enemies. It didn't have to...Mar 27 22:40
MinceRcuriousMar 27 22:41
schestowitz__> Great news, because I am exhausted! Was feeling a bit defeated.Mar 27 22:41
schestowitz__> Mar 27 22:41
schestowitz__> :)Mar 27 22:41
schestowitz__> Mar 27 22:41
schestowitz__> The good thing is we know where Redhat and creative commons stand, as well as others...Mar 27 22:41
schestowitz__Wait, did CC said anything about RMS? Or just giving platform to that troll?Mar 27 22:41
MinceRCC signed the hatchet job against RMSMar 27 22:42
MinceRso they're crybulliesMar 27 22:42
MinceRehmke is also a crybullyMar 27 22:42
MinceRyet now they're at each others' throatsMar 27 22:42
MinceRi hope they take each other outMar 27 22:42
schestowitz__all of CC?Mar 27 22:42
schestowitz__or just a few people?Mar 27 22:42
MinceRas an "organization"Mar 27 22:43
schestowitz__yuckMar 27 22:43
schestowitz__bye, ccMar 27 22:43
MinceRso it depends on how they're controlledMar 27 22:43
schestowitz__yesMar 27 22:43
schestowitz__sometimes people sign for the orgMar 27 22:43
MinceRthe CEO also signed on their ownMar 27 22:43
schestowitz__and later it turns out many in the org dissentMar 27 22:43
schestowitz__they used to have ito as ceoMar 27 22:43
schestowitz__and...Mar 27 22:43
schestowitz__he was facilitating the billgates payments at mitMar 27 22:43
MinceRthen they can reform their organization, with more caution about whom they trustMar 27 22:43
schestowitz__via epsteinMar 27 22:43
schestowitz__Ito: http://techrights.org/2020/05/27/joi-ito-email/Mar 27 22:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Joi Ito Already Admitted on the Record That Bill Gates Had Paid MIT Through Jeffrey Epstein | TechrightsMar 27 22:44
CrystalMathFreeDOS signed it, hehMar 27 22:44
CrystalMathwell they're about to get a competitor - meMar 27 22:44
MinceR:>Mar 27 22:45
CrystalMathnot because of this, thoughMar 27 22:45
schestowitz__freebsd don't support fsfMar 27 22:45
CrystalMathCM-DOS is an old-ish ideaMar 27 22:45
schestowitz__shock horrorMar 27 22:45
MinceRFreeBSD are a bunch of crybulliesMar 27 22:45
schestowitz__anyway, it's behind us nowMar 27 22:45
MinceRthey had a CoC before Linux didMar 27 22:45
schestowitz__donate to FSF if you canMar 27 22:45
schestowitz__anyway, we have some good articles coming soonMar 27 22:45
MinceRit's sad to see that even the Tor Project and x.org are crybulliesMar 27 22:46
schestowitz__I am checking some drafts of people, tooMar 27 22:46
schestowitz__some people will break their silence shortlyMar 27 22:46
schestowitz__MinceR: expected from TorMar 27 22:46
schestowitz__X were never THAT keen on FSMar 27 22:46
schestowitz__Free softwareMar 27 22:46
schestowitz__BUT: http://techrights.org/2020/09/18/keith-packard-on-rms/Mar 27 22:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Keith Packard: Richard Stallman Was Right (About the GPL) | TechrightsMar 27 22:46
schestowitz__they know rms was rightMar 27 22:46
schestowitz__didn't like his 'style'Mar 27 22:47
schestowitz__some people say they cannot speak to himMar 27 22:47
schestowitz__but I even managed to change his mind countless times beforeMar 27 22:47
schestowitz__on ubuntu spyware, physical switch for microphones on laptopsMar 27 22:47
schestowitz__he also got my briefs on lf and osiMar 27 22:47
schestowitz__I think he's rightly selective who he trustsMar 27 22:47
schestowitz__based on perceived motivationsMar 27 22:48
schestowitz__lots of backstabbers over the yearsMar 27 22:48
schestowitz__inc., at times, at FSFMar 27 22:48
schestowitz__people like jgayMar 27 22:48
MinceR(audio) https://i.imgur.com/Abh7Cz6.mp4Mar 27 23:01
schestowitz__Oliva has an article comingMar 27 23:03
schestowitz__ https://FSFLA.org/blogs/lxo/Mar 27 23:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsfla.org | ::[FSFLA]:: Blonging for FreedomMar 27 23:03
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*schestowitz__ gives voice to simplemanMar 27 23:11
*schestowitz__ gives voice to genr8_Mar 27 23:11
schestowitz__we might be the subject of more trolling/abuse in days to comeMar 27 23:11
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schestowitz__just a headsupMar 27 23:12
schestowitz__because the mobsters did not get their wayMar 27 23:12
schestowitz__RMS staysMar 27 23:12
simplemanDoes you think about Italo Vignoli? Is he controlled by corporations or is he honest?Mar 27 23:12
MinceR:)Mar 27 23:12
schestowitz__long night ahead... looongMar 27 23:13
schestowitz__simpleman: OSIMar 27 23:14
schestowitz__I mentioned it beforeMar 27 23:14
schestowitz__in text and in audiocMar 27 23:14
schestowitz__*audio formMar 27 23:14
schestowitz__Italo = OSI BoardMar 27 23:14
schestowitz__And then you need to look into what controls OSIMar 27 23:14
schestowitz__nobody else in TDF or LO expressed concerns about RMSMar 27 23:14
schestowitz__that I sawMar 27 23:14
schestowitz__Meeks sort of changed his mindMar 27 23:15
schestowitz__he supported RMS in 2019Mar 27 23:15
schestowitz__now, due to social pressure, without the facts having changed at all, he doesn't say the samweMar 27 23:15
schestowitz__as for SUSE, it's just their clueless CEOMar 27 23:15
schestowitz__a salseperson from SAPMar 27 23:15
schestowitz__in KDE nobody spoke aboyt itMar 27 23:15
MinceRSUSE's been an enemy of free software for agesMar 27 23:15
schestowitz__their Board issued a polite statementMar 27 23:15
schestowitz__LOook at who DOES NOT oppose RMSMar 27 23:16
schestowitz__rather than who doesMar 27 23:16
MinceRlook at who supports RMS :>Mar 27 23:16
schestowitz__employers warn staff not to publicly support rms/fsfMar 27 23:16
schestowitz__as they fear the online mobMar 27 23:16
schestowitz__MinceR: not all of themMar 27 23:16
MinceRtime to quit, i guessMar 27 23:16
schestowitz__Novell maybeMar 27 23:16
schestowitz__some SUSE people come here to IRCMar 27 23:16
schestowitz__and read the site Techrights, support GNU etc.Mar 27 23:16
MinceRSUSE still serves the microsoft agendaMar 27 23:17
schestowitz__SUSE cannot run without some free software devsMar 27 23:17
schestowitz__but SUSE's rot is at the higher tierMar 27 23:17
MinceRand they signed this anti-RMS letter as wellMar 27 23:17
schestowitz__MinceR: the sales peopleMar 27 23:17
schestowitz__as a company?Mar 27 23:17
schestowitz__and if so, who did that?Mar 27 23:17
schestowitz__likely some managersMar 27 23:17
MinceRyes, as an organizationMar 27 23:17
schestowitz__and the engineers who dissent will stay quietMar 27 23:17
MinceRsome non-managers among the personal signatoriesMar 27 23:18
schestowitz__SUSE made no statementMar 27 23:18
schestowitz__maybe they just added a sigMar 27 23:18
schestowitz__maybe even due to pressureMar 27 23:18
MinceRit's a bit of a stretch to call systemd distribution maintainers "engineers" :>Mar 27 23:18
schestowitz__that's what the mob did Mar 27 23:18
schestowitz__and doesMar 27 23:18
schestowitz__it pressures orgMar 27 23:18
schestowitz__either you're "AGAINST WOMEN!!" or "SIGN THIS THING"Mar 27 23:18
MinceR"there should be no difference between Linux distributions and ibm/rh should call all the shots, but at the same time, we insist on making another Linux distribution"Mar 27 23:19
gullfaxi[m]15 years ago I would have never imagined rms and fsf falling victims of this kind of fabricated witch huntMar 27 23:19
schestowitz__ https://odysee.com/@Lunduke:e/SUSEEFFStallman:6Mar 27 23:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.com | SUSE, EFF Attack StallmanMar 27 23:19
schestowitz__[12:18] [Notice] -TechrightsSocial to #boycottnovell-social- odysee.com | SUSE, EFF Attack StallmanMar 27 23:19
gullfaxi[m]those pesky social networksMar 27 23:19
schestowitz__he worked for SUSE for 4 yearsMar 27 23:19
schestowitz__they don't even use gnu/linuxMar 27 23:19
schestowitz__the people who run the firmMar 27 23:19
MinceR15 years ago microsoft didn't know how to fight free software, rh and ibm possibly didn't even want toMar 27 23:19
schestowitz__gullfaxi[m]: we have some rebuttals comingMar 27 23:20
schestowitz__we = not just techrightsMar 27 23:20
MinceRactually my timeline might be off, i'll checkMar 27 23:20
schestowitz__the dust has mostly settledMar 27 23:20
schestowitz__I saw just one or two blog posts from the RMS antagonists todayMar 27 23:20
schestowitz__brbMar 27 23:20
MinceRcancerd was not default in any distribution 15 years agoMar 27 23:20
schestowitz__need to catch up with patent newsMar 27 23:20
schestowitz__I am proofreading some other people's essaysMar 27 23:21
MinceRand ibm wasn't a card-carrying apple shill corporation 15 years agoMar 27 23:21
schestowitz__re RMSMar 27 23:21
schestowitz__MinceR: PalmisanoMar 27 23:21
schestowitz__I keep sayingMar 27 23:21
schestowitz__IBM helped us wit ODFMar 27 23:21
schestowitz__around 2006Mar 27 23:21
schestowitz__they fought back against SCOMar 27 23:21
schestowitz__but different management back thenMar 27 23:21
MinceR:)Mar 27 23:21
schestowitz__Jim AllowHurst isn't even using linuxMar 27 23:22
schestowitz__and he's IBM Pres. nowMar 27 23:22
MinceRwhy would a clueless suit use linux?Mar 27 23:22
MinceRhell, why would anyone at rh/ibm or gnome or proprietarydesktop use linux?Mar 27 23:22
MinceRthey idolize windows and macosMar 27 23:22
schestowitz__delta airline execMar 27 23:22
schestowitz__a company in collapseMar 27 23:22
schestowitz__even back thenMar 27 23:22
MinceRthey're not engineersMar 27 23:22
MinceRthey're not IT professionalsMar 27 23:22
schestowitz__he 'dabbled' in  fedoraMar 27 23:22
schestowitz__maybe just to get that red hat jobMar 27 23:23
schestowitz__and to appease the rht 'engineersMar 27 23:23
schestowitz__like LPMar 27 23:23
MinceRthey're just a bunch of idiots hammering out shitty code controlled by a bunch of sociopaths helping other sociopaths destroy the IT industry and usher in a new dark age for us allMar 27 23:23
MinceRthey make me sickMar 27 23:23
gullfaxi[m]probably young people grown up in social networks Mar 27 23:24
schestowitz__it's a mass control weaponMar 27 23:25
schestowitz__centralisation of mindsMar 27 23:25
schestowitz__and manipulation of what people seeMar 27 23:25
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schestowitz__and from which ontextMar 27 23:25
schestowitz__[21:13] <ephemer0l> https://www.dw.com/en/venezuela-facebook-freezes-maduros-page-over-covid-misinformation/a-57026967Mar 27 23:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Venezuela: Facebook freezes Maduro′s page over COVID misinformation | News | DW | 27.03.2021Mar 27 23:25
schestowitz__[21:13] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- Venezuela: Facebook freezes Maduro′s page over COVID misinformation | News | DW | 27.03.2021Mar 27 23:25
schestowitz__just say anything about COVID...Mar 27 23:25
schestowitz__and it it doesn't agree 100% with some narrative, you are a lunatic and we must silence youMar 27 23:26
schestowitz__"to protect the public"Mar 27 23:26
schestowitz__http://techrights.org/2021/02/05/twitter-censorship-bingo/Mar 27 23:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Twitter Has Just Suspended the President of FFII for Naming Bill Gates Patent Profiteering and Factual Information About Twitter Censorship (Updated) | TechrightsMar 27 23:26
gullfaxi[m]our own politicians spreading shit about covid to create consensus don't get the same treatmentMar 27 23:26
schestowitz__but that's an aside...Mar 27 23:27
schestowitz__we'll do an article about it SundayMar 27 23:27
schestowitz__"Mar 27 23:27
schestowitz__I've been following the news on techrights about the cancelling of RMS since day zero, and there's a detail in the whole story I don't recall reading it there (or anywhere else for the matter).Mar 27 23:27
schestowitz__The chronology is fuzzy, but the thing its there. You see, almost at exactly the same time Gates began the onslaught against RMS, suddenly and out of nowhere, if you happen to speak against Bill Gates you're a lunatic.Mar 27 23:27
schestowitz__I mean this: at the same time the campaign against RMS started, Bill Gates also started to be the focus of conspiranoia. Comments everywhere about Bill Gates and 5G antenae that breaks your DNA, vaccines with nanochips, Qanon level stuff about deep state and NWO, and stuff like that. And paid media talking about that: lots of news about "Bill Gates thinks this and that about vaccines and global warming", and "look at all the idiotic Mar 27 23:27
schestowitz__things crazy people say online about Bill Gates". It's even the case here in Argentina media.Mar 27 23:27
schestowitz__So, I believe this attack had THREE fronts. Bashing RMS is one of them: you've been reporting a lot about that. Posing Gates as a goody philanthropist with deep ideas is a second one. You've also said a fair share about that, and is basically every rich person's PR campaign. But there's a third one: trying to let critics as some kind of mentally ill people with serious problems to gasp reality. And that last aspect is barely Mar 27 23:27
schestowitz__mentioned in your reports.Mar 27 23:27
schestowitz__I tell you this because I'm convinced the timeline of that third aspect matches the one of the Epstein-Gates reveals. The Gates conspiranoia was very sudden and unexpected: Bill Gates was no longer a thing in media since many years ago, and then all of that noise was everywhere in matter of days. Perhaps there's something searchable about that trend, some links to be made? Who knows... maybe that leads to something useful.Mar 27 23:27
schestowitz__"Mar 27 23:27
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/21031628Mar 27 23:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (5324475)Mar 27 23:28
XRevan86MinceR: Kawaii, ñaMar 27 23:29
MinceR:>Mar 27 23:29
schestowitz__> Roy:Mar 27 23:31
schestowitz__>  Mar 27 23:31
schestowitz__> Mar 27 23:31
schestowitz__>     Want morale? Think of it like this: they don't attack people soMar 27 23:31
schestowitz__>     viciously unless they're losing. It's when you make no differenceMar 27 23:31
schestowitz__>     anymore that they just stop caring...Mar 27 23:31
schestowitz__> Mar 27 23:31
schestowitz__>     You can't kill a concept. You can, however, 'kill' people. SometimesMar 27 23:31
schestowitz__>     even literally....Mar 27 23:31
schestowitz__> Mar 27 23:31
schestowitz__> Mar 27 23:31
schestowitz__> I try to boost RMS' mood whenever I can. I don't know if you picked upMar 27 23:31
schestowitz__> on the joke in my letter to the FSF. I dared not make it too obvious.:-)Mar 27 23:31
schestowitz__> Mar 27 23:31
schestowitz__> I know about the "killing" only too well.   Mar 27 23:31
schestowitz__> Mar 27 23:31
schestowitz__> The FSF needs to raise funds now, but in the longer term they'll need aMar 27 23:31
schestowitz__> more robust revenue model. Thanks for your continued support of what areMar 27 23:31
schestowitz__> literally "Tech Rights"! We'll talk later. I just thanked the guys atMar 27 23:31
schestowitz__> codeberg.org <http://codeberg.org> too.Mar 27 23:31
schestowitz__They have allowed people to sign the petition without touching GitHub.Mar 27 23:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Codeberg.orgMar 27 23:31
schestowitz__>>> Even with Zoom, there is still a break in the middle of the meeting forMar 27 23:34
schestowitz__>>> people to visit the barMar 27 23:34
schestowitz__>> I never used Zoom before.Mar 27 23:34
schestowitz__> There is WebRTC support, it works in Firefox on x86 without any extraMar 27 23:34
schestowitz__> downloadsMar 27 23:34
schestowitz__> Mar 27 23:34
schestowitz__>> In think the anti-RMS mob has lost all momentum by now.Mar 27 23:34
schestowitz__> There is a lot of interesting data to be analyzed thereMar 27 23:34
schestowitz__> Mar 27 23:34
schestowitz__> Some of the questions that come to mind:Mar 27 23:34
schestowitz__> Mar 27 23:34
schestowitz__> - how many of those signatories ever met RMS?Mar 27 23:34
schestowitz__> Mar 27 23:34
schestowitz__> - how many are Outreachy/GSOC interns, junior staff, contract staff inMar 27 23:34
schestowitz__> developing countries who have been ordered or misled to sign for theMar 27 23:34
schestowitz__> principles rather than thinking about the person?Mar 27 23:34
schestowitz__> Mar 27 23:34
schestowitz__> - how many people would regret signing if, hypothetically, the victim ofMar 27 23:34
schestowitz__> such a petition committed suicide?Mar 27 23:34
schestowitz__> Mar 27 23:34
schestowitz__> - how often does the victim of such extreme bullying commit suicide?Mar 27 23:34
schestowitz__http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/03/board-of-appeal-in-t180715-continues.html?showComment=1616832139677#c4263560736381605404Mar 27 23:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | BREAKING: Board of Appeal in T1807/15 continues with ViCo oral proceedings referral - The IPKatMar 27 23:48
schestowitz__"Mar 27 23:48
schestowitz__What does the right to be heard means at the EPO, when the chair of the boards puts himself as chair of the EBA whilst he promoted Art 15aRPBA2020.Mar 27 23:49
schestowitz__What is problematic is that by behaving as the do, the members of the EBA, with three potential exceptions, are actually supporting the destructive action of the EPA.Mar 27 23:49
schestowitz__In Art 15aRPBA2020, the problem is less the fact that OP as ViCo are imposed upon parties, that the possibility of scattering members of deciding bodies of the EPO across contracting states or even outside. Mar 27 23:49
schestowitz__This is not the EPC as it has been set up, and neither the president nor the BOAC and the AC of the EPO have the legitimacy to change the EPC as is foreseen in the New Normal. Mar 27 23:49
schestowitz__"Mar 27 23:49
schestowitz__WTF??!Mar 27 23:49
schestowitz__so much corruption out thereMar 27 23:50
schestowitz__which is a higher priority to tackle?Mar 27 23:50
gullfaxi[m]well, it's the same all the world overMar 27 23:51
schestowitz__DaemonFC[m]: pingMar 27 23:52
schestowitz__can you request those court docs on Gates' engineer?Mar 27 23:52
schestowitz__We could really shift the debate back into focus and the real scandalsMar 27 23:52
schestowitz__esp. now, DaemonFC[m]Mar 27 23:53
schestowitz__RMS is being used as a bit of a "decoy" nowMar 27 23:53
schestowitz__projection tacticsMar 27 23:53
gullfaxi[m]uhm, a decoy luring what? sjws to destroy free software ideology from inside? Mar 27 23:54
schestowitz__noMar 27 23:55
schestowitz__let me explainMar 27 23:55
schestowitz__or rather, read this:Mar 27 23:55
schestowitz__http://techrights.org/2019/12/21/police-report-bill-gates/Mar 27 23:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Mansion of Pedophilia – Part II: Dr. Stallman Defamed in the Media One Day After Request Made for King County Sheriff’s Office to Divulge Information About Pedophilia in Home of Bill Gates | TechrightsMar 27 23:55
schestowitz__the request was made in light of MIT revelationsMar 27 23:56
gullfaxi[m]oh, didn't read thatMar 27 23:56
schestowitz__such as http://techrights.org/2020/05/27/joi-ito-email/Mar 27 23:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Joi Ito Already Admitted on the Record That Bill Gates Had Paid MIT Through Jeffrey Epstein | TechrightsMar 27 23:56
gullfaxi[m]so is it somehow an "attention shift"?Mar 27 23:56
MinceRa distractionMar 27 23:58
schestowitz__decoy whateverMar 27 23:59
schestowitz__the words don't matterMar 27 23:59
schestowitz__but the underlying PR modalityMar 27 23:59
schestowitz__I was told that ages agoMar 27 23:59
schestowitz__with prominent examplesMar 27 23:59
schestowitz__not hypothetical oneMar 27 23:59
schestowitz__or onesMar 27 23:59
schestowitz__Trump did this a lotMar 27 23:59
schestowitz__look at the book from John BoltonMar 27 23:59
schestowitz__Ivanka had a major scandalMar 27 23:59

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