Bonum Certa Men Certa

Online Safety Act Tries to Accomplish the Impossible

posted by Roy Schestowitz on Aug 03, 2025,
updated Aug 03, 2025

Hubris. Dumb politicians and dumb policies that are hard to enforce effectively:

PRESS RELEASE: United Kingdom goes after Apple’s encrypted data

Somebody (MinceR) asked me in IRC about the UK’s Online Safety Act, which may or will apply to me. To quote him, "what's the concern anyway? minors being able to use the Internet for anything? like, anything at all?"

The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) has a lobby-driven take on it (i.e. the usual) and my initial reaction to the above question/s was: "i didn't follow that closely or saw what "content" they deem harmful, but i generally agree with the sentiment that 1) there is a lot of crap online; 2) that crap has worse effect for a person with less life experience; see what australia does about under 16s right now" (informal, IRC). Prior to that I said "it tackles a real issue the wrong way [as] the concern is legit, the solution is not".

An associate of ours is questioning the "underlying process within the EFF which led to the decision to have [this article] written", so we're doing our own.

So let's start with the basics.

What is the UK’s Online Safety Act? The premise is, we need to "protect" young people and adults online from "bad" things online (not limited to "content").

Who does this "protecting"? What are the criteria for "harms"?

Therein lies a key problem. Once implemented, those things can change. For instance, it can be asserted that some site critical of the government must be blocked. Also, what's deemed unsuitable for young people (how young?) will also be classified as unsuitable for adults.

So what are the solutions to "bad" things (whatever counts as bad) online? Blocking? Warnings? Delisting?

For sure this isn't a new problem. The media (like radio) has long dealt with those sorts of issues. In some cases, in order to get certified (or licensed) a channel or station or newspaper or whatever would have to meet some quality criteria.

Why is the Web (or the Net in general) any different? Could little kids not manage to get their hands on some Playboy Magazine (or even pornography) before the Web? Nonsense. Regarding grooming*, there are already laws against that, the Online Safety Act would introduce nothing unprecedented in that regard.

Regarding kids and pornography, Ryan calls this "I'm doing this because I know I'm not supposed to." He says: "Children have a tendency to rebel."

See, aside from VPNs and all sorts of means for bypassing restrictions, kids were always able to circumvent censorship and the challenge gave some of them an extra "thrill".

In my personal view, the UK Government - due to its lack of consultation with the right stakeholders - is trying to accomplish something that's close to impossible and would be expensive to enforce.

All I can say is, "good luck with that!"

The same is true for encryption in the UK. I use encryption in my communications every day; I don't care if the government likes it or not and I don't use GAFAM.

_____

* "I have a comment on things that are harmful to minors," Ryan says in IRC. "When I was about 14 years old, there was a guy in South Bend, Indiana who told me his name was "Joey" I can't remember how he spelled his last name, but I can remember what it was phonetically "Shafer" maybe. Anyway, he started trying to groom me and was sending me naked pictures of himself through email and AOL Instant Messenger. He said that he had a teenage boy that was 15 that he "had sex with", and eventually "Joey" told me he was 38 years old. The local police department had no idea what to do about it because they had no clue what to do about things that happened on the internet, even though it was in the same state. A lot has changed since then, and there's still disgusting people who are sending nudes to kids. But it's over things like Instagram and Facebook and whatever they're using, where it's practically guaranteed they'll be caught just for sending it because the system is set up to spy on people already. Plus those companies log everything so if they don't get caught right away, they will as soon as the kid screams to their parents there's some gross guy on the internet or, when the "child" turns out to be the police. It's not a state secret that the police are a LOT better at catching these people today than they were in the late 90s and people still do it. There will always be plenty of "dumb ones" to catch because all the dummies out there who are gross and like kids don't think they'll be caught. There's probably no class of criminal that the police want to bust more. It justifies there being a "police department" even when most of what they do is bullshit. They have to do some legitimate public safety work because if they did none at all, nobody would tolerate them. So the police pitch themselves as "Hey at least we're keeping gross people away from kids." "

Other Recent Techrights' Posts

Microsoft is Disloyal Towards Its Most Loyal Employees
Against its most faithful enablers
Following the Line of Cocaine All the Way to the Top
Even a million denials and spin-doctoring won't distract from the core issue
Thankfully We've Made Copies of More Interesting Data From statCounter
If statCounter (the Web site or the 'webapp') vanished overnight, we'd still have something left of it
More Silent Layoffs at IBM/Red Hat
when the media counts such layoffs or presents tallies the numbers are very incomplete
 
Links 27/10/2025: Wikipedia Vandalism, Bruce Perens Opens up on Childhood
Links for the day
This Site Could Not be Done by LLMs Even If It Wanted to (Because It's Not a Parrot of What Other Sites Say)
LLMs have no knowledge or deep understanding
19 Years, No Censorship
No factual information is ever going to be removed, more so if it is in the public interest
We Are Not a Conventional Site, That's Why They Hate (or Love) Us
Throughout the week this week we'll be focusing on the EPO
The Cocaine Patent Office - Part I: António Campinos Brought Corruption and Nepotism to the EPO, Then Came the Cocaine
High-level manager at the European Patent Office (EPO) caught in public with cocaine, the Office has some answering to do
Purchasing/Possessing Computers Isn't the Same as Controlling Computers
Let's strive to put computers back under the control of their users, no matter who purchased these (usually the users)
Gemini Links 27/10/2025: Alhena 5.4.3 and Fixing Bash
Links for the day
Over at Tux Machines...
GNU/Linux news for the past day
IRC Proceedings: Sunday, October 26, 2025
IRC logs for Sunday, October 26, 2025
Links 26/10/2025: Microsoft Spies on Gamers, Open Transport Community Conference
Links for the day
Links 26/10/2025: LLM Slop / Plagiarism Programs Continue to Disappoint, CISA Layoffs Threaten Systems
Links for the day
Gemini Links 26/10/2025: Gemsync and Joining the Small Web
Links for the day
India.com a Click-baiting, SEO-Spamming, Slopfarming Heap
They do this almost every day
Over at Tux Machines...
GNU/Linux news for the past day
IRC Proceedings: Saturday, October 25, 2025
IRC logs for Saturday, October 25, 2025
Without XBox Consoles, XBox is No More, It's Just a Brand (More Rumours of Microsoft Ending XBox, Then Laying Off Lots of Staff)
All signs indicate that Microsoft wants to "exit" the XBox business (not brand), but it does not want to publicly admit this as it would alarm staff and shareholders
Gemini Links 25/10/2025: Portugal, Midnightpub, and "Tech Right Admins"
Links for the day
Almost 2026 Already (When We Turn Twenty)
In just over a year the site will turn 20
When "Sponsored Feature" in The Register MS Means Ponzi Scheme Promotion From the Communist Party of China (CPC)
the promotion of a financial scam
Week of EPO Leaks: Workers of the EPO Are Getting a Pay Cut While Prices Rise Fast
More to come in the next few days
Microsoft is Finally Giving Up on XBox, The Chief Says the Grapes Are Sour Anyway
Microsoft loses hundreds of dollars on each XBox that it sells
Slopwatch: LinuxSecurity, UbuntuPIT, and Various Slopfarms Propped up by Google News
Why can't Google News do better than this?
Links 25/10/2025: Two New Smokescreens for Scam Altman and ‘TikTok USA’ Remains in Limbo
Links for the day
Bad faith: can't change Debian Social Contract (DSC) without unanimous consent of every joint author
Reprinted with permission from Daniel Pocock
Confirmed: Very Close Friend of Bill Gates and Microsoft's Biggest Patent Troll Nathan Myhrvold Flew the Lolita Express (a Gateway to Pedophilia), According to Bill Gates-Sponsored Seattle Times
There is no speculation or any "conspiracy theories" here;' those are verified facts
Gemini Links 25/10/2025: "The Highest Leader of The Global Civil Society Community", SSL Certificates Causing Bitrot
Links for the day
Links 25/10/2025: Target Layoffs and "Shutdown Sparks 85% Increase in US Government Cyberattacks"
Links for the day
"Big Data" Was a Big Lie
Remember "Big Data"? Remember "Data Scientists"...?
statCounter Has Been Broken for a Long Time
Considering the huge proportion of Web requests that come from LLM bots (more so this past year or two), statCounter may struggle to justify the operating costs
Techrights Anniversary Party on November 7th
Let us know if you need any accommodation-related arrangements
Trends That Must Alarm Microsoft and Mozilla
Expect Firefox to no longer be supported by various sites in the US
Why Microsoft Became the Layoffs Leader
The corporate media is projecting or signalling its own dishonesty when it tells us that Microsoft is a very "valuable" company while the data shows Microsoft is also a "market leader" in layoffs
Speaking for Ourselves and Letting the Facts Speak for Themselves
we've already published over 50,000 pages
For Second Time in a Day The Register MS Takes Money From Private Companies to Sell a Ponzi Scheme
Do not have empathy for those who have zero empathy towards you
IBM is Misleading IBM Shareholders
IBM is still all about vapourware and buzzwords
Over at Tux Machines...
GNU/Linux news for the past day
IRC Proceedings: Friday, October 24, 2025
IRC logs for Friday, October 24, 2025