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| twitter | ha ha, novel hits $4.80, http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ%3ANOVL | Sep 30 01:35 |
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| twitter | M$ finishes at $25 http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ%3AMSFT | Sep 30 01:36 |
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| twitter | There were a lot of negative stories about Apple and they took a 30% pounding. Kind of stupid for a company that's growing with cheap hand held devices. | Sep 30 01:39 |
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| twitter | Overall though, Apple, Red Hat and Google are still doing well - all still look good over a five year period and look like a gold mine over ten. | Sep 30 01:43 |
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| *schestowitz back, catching up | Sep 30 10:41 |
| kentma1 | hi Roy - welcome back | Sep 30 10:46 |
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| kentma1 | the digests have been a little thinner :-) | Sep 30 10:46 |
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| schestowitz | Big financial news these days | Sep 30 10:50 |
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| schestowitz | Caught the Independent and WSJ on the planes. Interesting times! | Sep 30 10:51 |
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| kentma1 | indeed. more woes to come, I'm sure, too. | Sep 30 10:55 |
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| schestowitz | Nothing one can do about it... it was inevitable, so might as well find out how to cope with it. From the patents/FOSS/occupation POV, it can't harm much. | Sep 30 10:57 |
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| kentma1 | I don't think it was inevitable. If we'd kept the critical financial controls in place, such as not letting building societies become banks, not letting banks give mortgages, and keeping clear blue water between the merchant and retail banks, then I think we'd be fairly stable now. These were foolish deciions, driven mostly by short-term greed (big payouts for account holders in mutuals, mostly). | Sep 30 10:59 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, so you're looking at this from another angle. | Sep 30 11:01 |
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| schestowitz | I spent about 3 hours just catching up with last night and I grinned when I saw the SEC potentially going obsolete. | Sep 30 11:02 |
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| schestowitz | McCain might give its chief the boot. it was last year that Novell was left off he hook after a SEC probe (following some big mess) and they even let SCO go some time before bankruptcy. In the context of the latest, there's Bear Stearns and some other refusals to address obvious high-risk decisions. | Sep 30 11:03 |
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| schestowitz | So the SEC came into place amid the depression and last night was the worst for the Dow in 21 years... The papers were filled with it to the rim. | Sep 30 11:04 |
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| schestowitz | http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=novl "Last Trade:4.85" | Sep 30 11:24 |
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| schestowitz | Some more stuff of interest: http://news.zdnet.com/24... http://news.zdnet.com/2424-9595_22-237614.html | Sep 30 11:26 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/151568/ba... ""Forty percent of servers run Windows, 60 percent run Linux," he said. "How are we doing? Forty is less than 60, so I don't like it. ... We have some work to do."" | Sep 30 13:26 |
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| schestowitz | BTW, those 1,000,000 laptops that go to Venezuela run GNU/Linux. | Sep 30 13:27 |
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| AVRS2 | ßþÃâ¡Ãâð àþÃÂÃÂøø ("Mail of Russia") ceased testing Red Hat's software and went back to Microsoft. | Sep 30 13:43 |
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| AVRS2 | * Russian Post | Sep 30 13:43 |
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| schestowitz | Do you have the article? | Sep 30 13:44 |
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| AVRS2 | Links in Russian: http://business.compulenta.ru/371908/ http://www.russianpost.ru/company/ru/home/p... | Sep 30 13:44 |
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| AVRS2 | http://soft.compulenta.ru/355645/ - an April article about testing | Sep 30 13:45 |
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| schestowitz | Did they give a reason? | Sep 30 13:45 |
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| schestowitz | http://translate.google.com/translat... http://translate.google.com/translate... | Sep 30 13:46 |
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| twitter | Good morning! | Sep 30 13:46 |
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| schestowitz | Morning. | Sep 30 13:47 |
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| schestowitz | Quite some news today, eh? | Sep 30 13:47 |
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| twitter | I saw another article where Balmer seemed to be talking about M$ surviving the mess, not just "generally" | Sep 30 13:47 |
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| schestowitz | AVRS2: I can't find the reason (cursory look) | Sep 30 13:47 |
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| AVRS2 | No reasons mentioned -- just that they've had the plans, and that about the Russian Post press release. | Sep 30 13:47 |
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| twitter | Let me dig it up, they are sweating. | Sep 30 13:47 |
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| schestowitz | Sweaty B wweats alwways. | Sep 30 13:48 |
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| twitter | infopackets.com | Sep 30 13:49 |
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| schestowitz | Yesterday's WSJ and today's Daily Telegraph (read both) are like some sort of Special Edition Recession 2.0. Almost the thing covers just one topic. | Sep 30 13:50 |
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| twitter | http://www.infopackets.com/news/business/mic... | Sep 30 13:50 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: I posted this earlier, I think. | Sep 30 13:51 |
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| twitter | "To Ballmer, the companies that survive will be those that adapt: "You don't brute force your way into any market," he said. "You only make major strides when you play the game of redefining the category, redefining the business model."" | Sep 30 13:51 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, this one: http://news.zdnet.com/2424-9595_22-237165.html | Sep 30 13:52 |
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| schestowitz | (never mind if Ballmer and Board have just approved going into debt. Never mind that... he just wants to restore confidence and prevent a stampede). | Sep 30 13:52 |
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| twitter | Zdnet has spun it as if M$ is not concerned for itself. | Sep 30 13:52 |
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| schestowitz | it's Reuters. | Sep 30 13:53 |
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| twitter | Reuters is helping him spin then. | Sep 30 13:53 |
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| schestowitz | But ZeeDee makes the picks. Very few picks... | Sep 30 13:53 |
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| schestowitz | They did some pro .NET, pro-Silverlight and other things recently. Winterford brainwash against VMWare too just before I left. | Sep 30 13:53 |
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| twitter | The above quote shows he was trying to pump up his own company. | Sep 30 13:53 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: yes, that's what they all do | Sep 30 13:54 |
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| schestowitz | It amused me earlier when I read about Man losing 50% of its value and saying that it's looking bright for the future. | Sep 30 13:54 |
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| schestowitz | Moss Bros (IIR[the name]C) says that recession means more suits are sold because of interviews.... never mind if they also acknowledge that sales sank. | Sep 30 13:55 |
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| twitter | This was wry, "when Churchill Club dinner host Ann Winblad briefly mentioned the former chairman's acting talents, Ballmer excitedly cut in, "He's hot baby! He's hot!" It may take some time for us to discover if Ballmer's interpretation of the American economy is as skewed as his taste in television commercials." | Sep 30 13:55 |
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| schestowitz | "We performed badly, but we're actually doing very well and the future is bright, so put some money in us" | Sep 30 13:55 |
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| twitter | ha ha. | Sep 30 13:56 |
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| twitter | No one is going to get any interviews because 70 and 80 year old people will still be working when their savings evaporate. | Sep 30 13:57 |
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| schestowitz | Won't be long before Hovsepian is down on his knees agains begging 'Stevie' for another cash linfeline for survival. | Sep 30 13:57 |
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| schestowitz | B&B is near death now. | Sep 30 13:57 |
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| twitter | Is that a credit crunch? | Sep 30 13:57 |
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| AVRS2 | Basically all that's known to me and probably to the compulenta article about Russian post is what's been known before (Russian post collaborated with Red Hat about testing free software), and the press release about Russian Post and Microsoft signing a collaboration agreement. | Sep 30 13:58 |
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| schestowitz | "Rescue" plan still an empty promise. Just seeing Bush comment about it is mildly amusing. | Sep 30 13:58 |
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| schestowitz | AVRS2: there's another factor. | Sep 30 13:58 |
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| twitter | Bush "rescue": too little too late | Sep 30 13:58 |
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| AVRS2 | schestowitz: ? | Sep 30 13:59 |
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| schestowitz | They bet on Global desktop or 'desktop' RHEL, which was sort of canceled. Maybe it was OpenReference and OpenClient with IBM, but that too was a grey area after a while.. | Sep 30 13:59 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: the Dems said it would be like socialist... errr... communist. | Sep 30 13:59 |
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| twitter | If Bush gave a shit, he would have clamped down on predatory lending practices more than a year ago and tried to help those stuck with credit card rates on their house. | Sep 30 13:59 |
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| schestowitz | That is, to save the private FAT CATS using taxpayers' money. | Sep 30 14:00 |
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| schestowitz | Regulators were asleep. "Let the folks from Redmond innovate," remember? | Sep 30 14:00 |
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| twitter | Democrats voted for the rescue, Republicans voted against it. | Sep 30 14:00 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: I read that both sides were altogether against/. | Sep 30 14:01 |
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| schestowitz | Some Big Names there on the table at the moment. They took down UBS... down like 20% | Sep 30 14:01 |
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| twitter | Sure, but most Democrats voted for, most Republicans against. It was an interesting flip. | Sep 30 14:01 |
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| AVRS2 | http://www.comnews.ru/index.cfm?id=39760 - a Red Hat representative's man says the work with Russian Post continues, but the results will be published later. | Sep 30 14:02 |
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| schestowitz | AVRS2: they went for some expensive solution with IBM blobs, IIRC. Why not Debian or Altlinux? | Sep 30 14:03 |
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| AVRS2 | schestowitz: you ask me? | Sep 30 14:03 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: I think the whole 'plan' is saving face. | Sep 30 14:04 |
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| kentma | there was an interesting interview today on "the daily politics" with Tony Benn... he was describing how after WWII, there wasn't so much a shift to the left, as a shift to thinking "why can't we all build houses and make things in peacetime, like we all did in wartime..." interesting point, I tought. | Sep 30 14:04 |
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| schestowitz | AVRS2: sort of. The rest of the Russian government uses Mandriva anyway and Altlinux (ALTLinux) in schools -- it's a Mand. derivative. | Sep 30 14:04 |
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| AVRS2 | A source close to the sides of the agreement thinks that the networks connecting all the points of the company will use free software, and administrative tasks will use Microsoft'.s | Sep 30 14:04 |
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| AVRS2 | hmm haven't heard of schools lately | Sep 30 14:05 |
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| AVRS2 | Mandriva? | Sep 30 14:05 |
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| schestowitz | AVRS2: they try to foil the deals with schools (Intel and MS) | Sep 30 14:05 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, Mandriva. Let me find some refs/. | Sep 30 14:05 |
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| AVRS2 | The Mobile System for the Military is Red Hat based, according to Wikipedia. | Sep 30 14:06 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.mandriva.com/company/press/pr/ru... | Sep 30 14:06 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.linuxlookup.com/2007/nov/19/mandriva_li... | Sep 30 14:06 |
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| AVRS2 | According to the same Wikipedia article, it is proprietary, but, well, IIRC, it is not distributed outside the military… | Sep 30 14:06 |
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| schestowitz | There's also ASPLinux | Sep 30 14:07 |
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| AVRS2 | http://www.mandriva.com/company/pr... is pretty empty? | Sep 30 14:08 |
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| schestowitz | Linux XP is Russian. It needs activation keys. The only one, I think... | Sep 30 14:08 |
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| AVRS2 | Oh, it's 404. | Sep 30 14:08 |
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| AVRS2 | Linux XP has bad reputation at forums. | Sep 30 14:09 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmm... http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.mandriva.com... | Sep 30 14:09 |
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| schestowitz | I have portions of the PR. | Sep 30 14:09 |
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| AVRS2 | It's been tested by the government though, IIRC | Sep 30 14:09 |
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| schestowitz | Red Flag is similar in the sense that it's an XP cut-and-glue. | Sep 30 14:09 |
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| twitter | ut oh, http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20... | Sep 30 14:13 |
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| AVRS2 | Although most of the Linux XP criticism was probably the article "ÃÂýÃâø-GPL" ("Anti-GPL") criticising free software, which is said to have been posted by Linux-Online but then removed. | Sep 30 14:14 |
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| AVRS2 | http://defann.cyberflash.ru/2006/03/16/3 - a copy, year 2006 | Sep 30 14:14 |
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| schestowitz | Windows XP was never too GPL friendly either. I guess they make a good replica, even a behavioural one. | Sep 30 14:15 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: is it really news though? Also: "Other reports show price declines continue. The National Association of Realtors said Sept. 24 that the median price of an existing home fell 9.5 percent in August from a year earlier, compared with an 8 percent drop in July. The following day, the Commerce Department said the median price of new homes fell 6.2 percent in August from a year earlier, following a 4.6 percent drop the prior mo | Sep 30 14:16 |
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| schestowitz | nth." | Sep 30 14:16 |
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| AVRS2 | Maybe currently it's just a dislike for shareware or shock from seeing shareware after buying "Linux". | Sep 30 14:17 |
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| AVRS2 | BTW, what do you think of Tesseract Trainer licensing? | Sep 30 14:18 |
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| AVRS2 | http://libregamewiki.org/Tesseract_Trainer | Sep 30 14:18 |
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| schestowitz | I used GLUT too. | Sep 30 14:19 |
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| AVRS2 | It is GPL, but, compiled by default, limits the time of continuous usage by requesting a code after something like 10-20 minutes of running. | Sep 30 14:19 |
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| schestowitz | "the source code is available under a GPLv2-compatible license..." | Sep 30 14:19 |
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| schestowitz | Mine is GPL | Sep 30 14:19 |
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| AVRS2 | Tesseract Trainer, not GLUT | Sep 30 14:19 |
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| schestowitz | "GPLv2-compatible; shareware function included" Can't one modify the source 'past' the nags? | Sep 30 14:20 |
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| AVRS2 | One can. | Sep 30 14:20 |
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| AVRS2 | Well, I haven't tried, since it is not annoying. | Sep 30 14:20 |
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| AVRS2 | Some consider that non-free. | Sep 30 14:21 |
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| AVRS2 | And if it is free, is it shareware? | Sep 30 14:23 |
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| schestowitz | Libre? | Sep 30 14:23 |
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| AVRS2 | yes | Sep 30 14:24 |
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| AVRS2 | Since one can redistribute it under its own license, one can redistribute it without source (unless modified). | Sep 30 14:25 |
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| schestowitz | Hi, _Doug | Sep 30 14:26 |
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| _Doug | Hi there .. hows the singing going :) | Sep 30 14:26 |
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| schestowitz | AVRS2: I think only <x>GPL qualified as "Free software", but it depends on who you ask. | Sep 30 14:26 |
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| AVRS2 | oh wait, the program may actually be public domain… | Sep 30 14:26 |
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| _Doug | GPL = Open Source .. | Sep 30 14:26 |
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| _Doug | Open Source != GPL | Sep 30 14:27 |
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| MinceR | whatever matches the Free Software Definition is free software | Sep 30 14:27 |
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| _Doug | http://www.fsf.org/about/what-is-free-software | Sep 30 14:27 |
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| MinceR | and practically it's pretty much the same as the OSD | Sep 30 14:28 |
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| _Doug | "Free software is software that gives you the user the freedom to share, study and modify it. We call this free software because the user is free" | Sep 30 14:28 |
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| AVRS2 | Mushware software licence version 1.0 covers files that are not in the package, so according to item 9.2, the whole package is public domain, except for those files not created by the author or those which depend on copylefted stuff. | Sep 30 14:30 |
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| AVRS2 | If there were any "Proprietary original source files", it would be covered by the licenses of user's choice: non-free license, GNU GPLv2, a separate license from the Company. | Sep 30 14:32 |
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| schestowitz | That was an issue with Java back in the days. | Sep 30 14:33 |
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| AVRS2 | The GPL Adanaxis package in Debian uses Mushware Software License version 1.4, which lists non-free files. | Sep 30 14:34 |
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| AVRS2 | IIRC, those non-free files are encrypted, so they cannot be reused or anything, and the decryption code is not distributed. | Sep 30 14:35 |
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| AVRS2 | In that package, of course, the non-free files are not included. | Sep 30 14:35 |
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| schestowitz | So how is it decrypted? Binaries? | Sep 30 14:37 |
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| AVRS2 | The encrypted non-free files and their decryptor are only present in the proprietary commercial version at the author's site. | Sep 30 14:38 |
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| AVRS2 | They are sounds licensed from somewhere else. | Sep 30 14:38 |
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| _Doug | Ballmer the second most influential people on the Web ? | Sep 30 14:38 |
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| _Doug | http://images.businessweek.com/ss/08/09... | Sep 30 14:38 |
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| twitter | he pays for a lot of content, but it's not very influential any more. | Sep 30 14:40 |
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| _Doug | The list is interesting as to who isn't in it .. | Sep 30 14:41 |
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| schestowitz | _Doug: BusinessWeek. It figures. | Sep 30 14:41 |
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| schestowitz | Has Microsoft not bought they yet? Or the Gates Fundation [sic]? | Sep 30 14:41 |
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| _Doug | The Edutainer: Jon Stewart ???? | Sep 30 14:41 |
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| twitter | credibility zero | Sep 30 14:42 |
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| schestowitz | There was a full-page Intel 'advert' (or Otellini glorification) in the WSJ yesterday. | Sep 30 14:42 |
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| schestowitz | Same paper that helped Intel deny its crimes against OLPC at the time.. | Sep 30 14:42 |
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| _Doug | "Sergey Brin, Larry Page, and Eric Schmidt" only at #5 .. haaaa | Sep 30 14:42 |
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| schestowitz | http://stopsoftwarepatents.org/forum/t-93114/wi... | Sep 30 14:42 |
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| AVRS2 | _Doug: Are those numbers really what you call them, or are they just topic pages? | Sep 30 14:46 |
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| _Doug | Nokia to acquire Email and Instant Messaging Provider OZ Communications .. | Sep 30 14:47 |
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| _Doug | http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/nok... | Sep 30 14:47 |
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| twitter | good article on patents, 20 years of buying an empty bag, ouch. | Sep 30 14:48 |
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| _Doug | Google patents switching between mobile operators .. | Sep 30 14:49 |
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| schestowitz | I'll do a post on it shortly. So much catching up to do. | Sep 30 14:49 |
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| _Doug | http://www.redorbit.com/news/technolog... | Sep 30 14:49 |
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| twitter | companies that bought into the patent extortion deserve to lose | Sep 30 14:49 |
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| schestowitz | "Everyone's patents are trivial, so /ours/ can be too." Not long from now they'll find with rocks and sticks. | Sep 30 14:49 |
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| twitter | fight? | Sep 30 14:50 |
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| schestowitz | Yes (typo) | Sep 30 14:50 |
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| _Doug | DSW patents a method of displaying footware .. | Sep 30 14:51 |
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| _Doug | http://www.mondaq.com/article.asp?articleid=66944 | Sep 30 14:51 |
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| _Doug | Google patents social networks based on user preferences .. | Sep 30 14:52 |
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| _Doug | http://www.siliconindia.com/shownews/47220 | Sep 30 14:52 |
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| schestowitz | I see "United States: The District Court Improperly Read Into The Claims A Limitation Not Required By The Intrinsic Evidence And Improperly Concluded That Expeditious Effort To Terminate Infringing Activities Excused Liability For Infringement" | Sep 30 14:52 |
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| schestowitz | Subs. "This service is completely FREE but for the full article and thousands of other articles from 100+ countries please tell us about yourself by registering (and yes, our lawyers like to think you've read our Disclaimer)." | Sep 30 14:52 |
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| _Doug | Biocognisafe patents sleepiness detection system .. | Sep 30 14:55 |
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| _Doug | http://www.exchangemagazine.com/morning... | Sep 30 14:55 |
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| _Doug | Yawn :) | Sep 30 14:55 |
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| _Doug | benJIman WAKE UP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | Sep 30 14:56 |
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| schestowitz | Don't feed the trolls. :-) | Sep 30 14:56 |
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| benJIman | _Doug: I am awake, also at work. | Sep 30 14:56 |
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| _Doug | Maxnet patents hot-aisle .. | Sep 30 14:57 |
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| _Doug | http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/new... | Sep 30 14:57 |
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| benJIman | _Doug: Did you want something specific? | Sep 30 14:57 |
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| twitter | Here's something stupid. http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/09/30/realnetwor... | Sep 30 15:02 |
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| schestowitz | "Don Reisinger" | Sep 30 15:06 |
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| schestowitz | That's an anagram for "Troll" | Sep 30 15:06 |
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| twitter | really? | Sep 30 15:07 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, see him on CNET. So annoying | Sep 30 15:07 |
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| schestowitz | If you read this TechCrunch article (I only read the start), you see that the headline is misleading. | Sep 30 15:07 |
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| AVRS2 | http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?s... | Sep 30 15:07 |
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| twitter | he talks about "consumers" - that's always a bad sign. Then he talks about digital restrictions as if they were worth something. yes, the title is misleading. Typical confused way to raise an issue of importance. | Sep 30 15:08 |
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| schestowitz | People still use snail mail /sarcasm | Sep 30 15:08 |
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| AVRS2 | Yeah, one day for the actual shipping, 2 weeks to get the package. | Sep 30 15:10 |
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| schestowitz | I was going to add this to a post about patents that I write at the moment, but the author was an alarm. I also got fed/leaked a couple of things. | Sep 30 15:10 |
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| _Doug | benJIman: sorry .. was away .. anything interesting you want to talk about ? | Sep 30 15:15 |
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| benJIman | No I'm busy. | Sep 30 15:15 |
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| _Doug | Why hang round and not talk ? | Sep 30 15:16 |
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| _Doug | "A change in New Zealand’s copyright law will see software developers owning their software by default" | Sep 30 15:17 |
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| _Doug | http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/new... | Sep 30 15:17 |
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| _Doug | "Russian Police Know Who Wrote Gpcode Virus" | Sep 30 15:19 |
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| _Doug | http://it.slashdot.org/it/08/09/30/1446211.shtml | Sep 30 15:19 |
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| _Doug | "Researchers at the University of Michigan have developed technology that can fence off microprocessor bugs and keep them from seizing up a PC" | Sep 30 15:21 |
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| _Doug | http://www.techworld.com/security/news/index... | Sep 30 15:21 |
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| AVRS2 | http://viperson.ru/wind.php?ID=451071 - about Alexey Pogodin mentioned in the Russian Post articles. | Sep 30 15:25 |
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| AVRS2 | http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http... | Sep 30 15:26 |
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| schestowitz | Could Microsoft have offered discounts? | Sep 30 15:26 |
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| AVRS2 | Until February 2008 was vice-chairman (…?) of the bank | Sep 30 15:26 |
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| AVRS2 | *Sberbank, the main bank of Russia. | Sep 30 15:26 |
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| schestowitz | I've just found this older video < http://boycottnovell.com/2007/12/13/nov... > of the SEC peacock who might soon be ousted. | Sep 30 15:27 |
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| brunomiguel | anyone has the anti-ballmer spray? he will be visiting portugal and I think I won't be able to tolerate the stink: http://translate.google.pt/t... | Sep 30 15:27 |
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| _Doug | Greenplum's closed open source database .. | Sep 30 15:27 |
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| _Doug | http://www.infoworld.com/article/06/0... | Sep 30 15:27 |
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| AVRS2 | (bank) that which uses SCO and Windows, and they say something GNU/Linux based somewhere | Sep 30 15:27 |
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| schestowitz | brunomiguel: as in deodorant? | Sep 30 15:28 |
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| brunomiguel | schestowitz: something stronger! | Sep 30 15:28 |
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| schestowitz | People tried eggs. It didn't do. | Sep 30 15:28 |
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| brunomiguel | did anyone tried a bath? xD | Sep 30 15:29 |
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| _Doug | "The Test Center examines which sandbox-based security software does the best job at keeping malware off of PCs" | Sep 30 15:29 |
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| _Doug | http://www.infoworld.com/article/... | Sep 30 15:29 |
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| _Doug | solution: use FF on Linux running under user with the home dir made noexec .. | Sep 30 15:30 |
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| _Doug | "Platforms: Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows Server 2003, Windows Vista (64-bit Windows Vista not yet supported) " | Sep 30 15:31 |
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| _Doug | Oh .. look .. Linux is behind in security :) | Sep 30 15:31 |
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| brunomiguel | I think this ballmer visit will serve to boycott the approvall of open standards use in the portuguese governament. | Sep 30 15:32 |
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| _Doug | What Ballmer needs: http://www.reginahumanesociety.ca/rhs?PAGEID=41 | Sep 30 15:32 |
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| MinceR | no, he needs to be executed | Sep 30 15:33 |
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| brunomiguel | our parlament will vote that soon, if i'm not mistaken | Sep 30 15:33 |
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| schestowitz | brunomiguel: have you seen the reason of the visit yet? | Sep 30 15:33 |
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| twitter | Novell, less than $5.00 all day. | Sep 30 15:33 |
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| _Doug | where's 'Steal_Everything' ? | Sep 30 15:33 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/200... http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/25/... | Sep 30 15:34 |
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| _Doug | "Steve Wozniak on how to follow in his footsteps" | Sep 30 15:34 |
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| _Doug | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/h... | Sep 30 15:34 |
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| _Doug | I got email from the WOZ .. really | Sep 30 15:35 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: Novell told Bloomberg it was concerned, I think. | Sep 30 15:35 |
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| schestowitz | It later vanished from the article. | Sep 30 15:35 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/1... | Sep 30 15:35 |
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| AVRS2 | http://www.banki.ru/news/bankpress/?id=461557 says Alexey Pogodin supervised the IT division in Sberbank. | Sep 30 15:36 |
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| AVRS2 | He is also mentioned and quoted at http://www.microsoft.com/rus/casestudies/C... | Sep 30 15:37 |
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| AVRS2 | although year 2003 | Sep 30 15:37 |
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| brunomiguel | schestowitz: i've read those articles | Sep 30 15:37 |
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| schestowitz | brunomiguel: there are some more. Call that guy from Hungary. "got eggs, will travel" ;-) | Sep 30 15:38 |
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| brunomiguel | lol | Sep 30 15:39 |
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| twitter | local eggs are cheaper | Sep 30 15:39 |
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| brunomiguel | i can get them for free | Sep 30 15:39 |
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| _Doug | Woops: http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ%3ANOVL | Sep 30 15:39 |
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| twitter | throwing them might cost you | Sep 30 15:39 |
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| brunomiguel | not that much | Sep 30 15:39 |
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| _Doug | Not as bad as the mid 2002 all time low .. | Sep 30 15:40 |
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| twitter | Sorry, just projecting US police state conditions to where you live. | Sep 30 15:40 |
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| twitter | don't taze me bro! | Sep 30 15:40 |
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| schestowitz | "52Wk Low: 2.49" | Sep 30 15:40 |
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| _Doug | Now would be a good time to buy NOVL .. | Sep 30 15:41 |
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| schestowitz | That's what people said before Black Monday 2.0 | Sep 30 15:41 |
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| _Doug | Then merge with a media company and provide an online IPTV service .. | Sep 30 15:41 |
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| twitter | there's never a better time to throw money away! | Sep 30 15:41 |
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| twitter | flush it now! | Sep 30 15:41 |
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| schestowitz | "If it goes down, then it had to come up later..." ... said the guy in the casono who lost his cars and his house. | Sep 30 15:42 |
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| _Doug | The technology is good .. | Sep 30 15:42 |
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| kentma | the question is, do they have a viable long-term business model, and then, if they do, what's it worth? | Sep 30 15:42 |
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| _Doug | They need to move into other markets .. | Sep 30 15:42 |
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| kentma | recession is the right *time* to buy, but it still leaves the other critical question, what is the right *thing* to buy... | Sep 30 15:42 |
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| twitter | Their business model is SColid | Sep 30 15:42 |
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| _Doug | instead of which they seem to be content staying in a niche market and letting their partner grab all the lucrative stuff | Sep 30 15:44 |
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| _Doug | Their technology is certanly worth something .. | Sep 30 15:44 |
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| twitter | No one owns free software, the rest is worthless. | Sep 30 15:45 |
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| _Doug | To a telecom company or a media company .. | Sep 30 15:45 |
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| twitter | Just ask Sweaty B. | Sep 30 15:45 |
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| _Doug | As is becoming obvious, in order to make real mpney, you need to own the entire stack .. | Sep 30 15:46 |
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| _Doug | Telecom infrastructure, the servers, the software and the desktop .. | Sep 30 15:46 |
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| _Doug | 'REAL MONEY' | Sep 30 15:46 |
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| twitter | LOL, zero activity NOVL hit's the big five smackers, http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ%3ANOVL | Sep 30 15:46 |
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| kentma | except foss is offering genuine, viable alternatives, including in the telcom space (cgl AND ALL THAT). | Sep 30 15:46 |
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| kentma | sorry for the caps. | Sep 30 15:46 |
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| twitter | I wonder if they read this board... | Sep 30 15:46 |
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| kentma | who? | Sep 30 15:47 |
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| _Doug | read this board, never :) | Sep 30 15:48 |
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| _Doug | Hi Ronald ... | Sep 30 15:48 |
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| twitter | k: someone with enough money to paint a stock market picture when there's not a lot of activity. | Sep 30 15:49 |
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| _Doug | I would buy/merge with NOVL right now, their entire technology portfolio is most certanly worth something, that includes the programmers of course .. | Sep 30 15:49 |
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| kentma | oh, I don't think they need our advice :-) | Sep 30 15:49 |
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| _Doug | The directors most certanly need a kick up the arse .. | Sep 30 15:50 |
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| _Doug | And the lawyers of course :) | Sep 30 15:50 |
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| twitter | Why merge now when you could wait for them to go bust? | Sep 30 15:50 |
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| _Doug | They gave away their 'stuff' for vouchers ??? | Sep 30 15:50 |
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| _Doug | We don't want them to go bust, we want them to succeed. | Sep 30 15:51 |
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| twitter | They sold themselves to M$ | Sep 30 15:51 |
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| _Doug | Whatever happened to UnitedLinux ? | Sep 30 15:51 |
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| twitter | they deserve to fail. Sucks to be an innocent person working for them, but people should not work for poor leadership. | Sep 30 15:51 |
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| _Doug | http://www.ibm.com/developerworks... | Sep 30 15:52 |
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| _Doug | "By foul craft, Saruman has crossed Orcs with goblin men. He's breeding an army in the caverns of Isengard. An army that can move in sunlight and cover great distance at speed. Saruman is coming for the Ring" | Sep 30 15:54 |
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| kentma | _Doug: having a Tolkein moment? | Sep 30 15:55 |
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| twitter | Sounds like previous free/non free mixtures. Performance and size are always hyped beyond reason. No need to fear. | Sep 30 15:56 |
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| _Doug | "|Suddenly they hear a voice. A voice so pleasing to the ear that to listen to it is a delight. This was the remaining power of Saruman, to influence the perceptions of his audience. He speaks as someone wrongly put-upon, as a victim of sorts" | Sep 30 15:57 |
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| twitter | SCO way! | Sep 30 15:58 |
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| _Doug | the OS the OS .. must have it .. the precious :) | Sep 30 15:58 |
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| twitter | GPL3 bitch slap to you! | Sep 30 15:59 |
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| schestowitz | twitter, _Doug: remember Novell is buying its /OWN/ stock right now. | Sep 30 16:00 |
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| twitter | Even that is not enough to pull them up? Oh dear. | Sep 30 16:00 |
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| _Doug | SteveO: "What have you to say, King Ronald? Will you have peace with me, and all the aid that my intellectual property and patent portfolio, founded in long years, can bring? " | Sep 30 16:00 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: the buybacks are not very heavy. They kicked in about 4 months ago. | Sep 30 16:01 |
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| _Doug | "I regret it. For I bore you no ill-will; and even now I bear none, though you return to me in the company of the violent and the ignorant. Stallman, are we not both members of a high and ancient order, most excellent in Silicon Valley? " | Sep 30 16:02 |
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| AVRS2 | hmm https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikinews/en/wiki/Lib... | Sep 30 16:02 |
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| _Doug | enough with the LotRings quotes .. | Sep 30 16:02 |
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| _Doug | For shame, you do not destroy historical records .. that's SCOs job .. | Sep 30 16:05 |
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| _Doug | back later .. keep an eye on Roy for me . :) | Sep 30 16:05 |
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| schestowitz | On who? Me?!? | Sep 30 16:07 |
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| AVRS2 | brb | Sep 30 16:09 |
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| _Doug | Well .. a lot of people just seem to lurk here ... | Sep 30 16:13 |
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| brunomiguel | Venezuela will be using a GNU/Linux distro exclusivelly in Magellan: http://education.zdnet.com/?p=1875 | Sep 30 16:16 |
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| _Doug | "As you requested below is a draft of my report on the existance of Unix derived code in Linux. What we tried to do is to determine if there was any material from Unix in Red HAt Linux release 5.2" | Sep 30 16:16 |
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| _Doug | http://www.sco.com/scoip/swartz_memo.pdf | Sep 30 16:17 |
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| brunomiguel | Portugal has windows xp and Caixa Mágica GNU/Linux and, for what I've been told, the manual only mentions windows xp | Sep 30 16:17 |
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| brunomiguel | oh, and most of our tech media only mention windows xp | Sep 30 16:17 |
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| schestowitz | brunomiguel: yes, it appears as though it's all GNU/Linux. | Sep 30 16:19 |
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| schestowitz | brunomiguel: it's the illusion of choice. let me find something. | Sep 30 16:20 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.olpcnews.com/sales_ta... | Sep 30 16:21 |
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| brunomiguel | there's more to it. some of our ministers act like sales people | Sep 30 16:22 |
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| brunomiguel | when the presented magellans, that actually is a good project - but somewhat subverted - i thought i was seeing someone selling stuff | Sep 30 16:23 |
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| brunomiguel | it's ok they want to appear, but come on... act like sales people?? | Sep 30 16:23 |
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| brunomiguel | one thing as to be said: this is not a portuguese governament project | Sep 30 16:24 |
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| brunomiguel | it was concieved by JP Sá Couto | Sep 30 16:24 |
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| brunomiguel | but they helped | Sep 30 16:25 |
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| brunomiguel | a funny thing about this is that they are selling this netbooks for 50 euros and som schools don't eve have money for toilet paper | Sep 30 16:25 |
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| brunomiguel | *some schools | Sep 30 16:27 |
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| schestowitz | brunomiguel: 99% of the politicians are corrupt | Sep 30 16:28 |
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| schestowitz | That is, corrupt in the sense that they are motivated by other people's interests, where people isn't 'the people'. | Sep 30 16:28 |
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| schestowitz | brunomiguel: Microsoft offers Windows for free to X people in countries where only X/10 actually have a physical PC. | Sep 30 16:29 |
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| schestowitz | It seems good on paper. Donate razors, give the lock-in, but not the razor blades... to people who can't even use them anyway. | Sep 30 16:30 |
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| brunomiguel | a democratic governament should always promote and use free software. | Sep 30 16:36 |
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| brunomiguel | i probably sound a bit radical, but democracy is transparency (at least in theory) and drug/proprietary software is the oposite of those values | Sep 30 16:37 |
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| brunomiguel | that's why this Magellans initiative is somewhat subverted | Sep 30 16:38 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, Brazil is a good example. | Sep 30 16:38 |
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| schestowitz | I believe the world to be dominated by corpocracy, bragged under a guise of democracy that exists nowhere except textbooks. | Sep 30 16:38 |
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| brunomiguel | they speak the same language as i do. they were colonized (sorry if i'm not using the correct word) by portugal. and yet, they are ahead of us in this respect | Sep 30 16:39 |
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| schestowitz | Same with South African. Colonialism taught them a lesson. India is getting there too. | Sep 30 16:39 |
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| brunomiguel | and, thanks to palin, the usa may get there too (sorry, i had to make this joke) | Sep 30 16:40 |
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| schestowitz | Brazil actually collaborates with SA on this now... in the sense that it learns from SA how to remove the digital shackles. | Sep 30 16:40 |
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| brunomiguel | a good thing about brasil is that they are "exporting" IT people that are in free software | Sep 30 16:41 |
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| brunomiguel | og maciel is one of many examples | Sep 30 16:41 |
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| schestowitz | Found hours ago: http://news.northxsouth.com/2008/09/28/... | Sep 30 16:43 |
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| brunomiguel | and here, in this spain neighbour, they still teach microsoft office instead of teaching people how to use a word processor | Sep 30 16:43 |
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| brunomiguel | i've read something related to that too. i have to blog it in a portuguese free software blog here i'm colaborating | Sep 30 16:44 |
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| brunomiguel | *where | Sep 30 16:44 |
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| schestowitz | That's bad for the economy. More "AV software skills" don't build a country. They make more dependence and misery. | Sep 30 16:44 |
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| schestowitz | It was in the SA press. I could pull the article if you are interested. | Sep 30 16:45 |
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| brunomiguel | yes. :) | Sep 30 16:45 |
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| schestowitz | Hold on. | Sep 30 16:46 |
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| schestowitz | Got it. http://www.itweb.co.za/sections/b... | Sep 30 16:47 |
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| schestowitz | "Brazilian ICT companies are keen to capitalise on the South African government's latest e-government push." | Sep 30 16:48 |
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| brunomiguel | €«The page cannot be found€». probably an irssi bug when sending lniks to icecat :| | Sep 30 16:48 |
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| brunomiguel | fixed | Sep 30 16:49 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe it expired. | Sep 30 16:50 |
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| brunomiguel | this was the cause: %3FO%3DFPTOP%26S%3D IT%2520in%2520government%26A%3DITG &cid=0&ei=neFPSIHnLYa2x AH1hcmlCA&usg=AFQjCNEin3h_ kSV-VxAK7DAthBrbgJUZQg | Sep 30 16:50 |
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| schestowitz | No Google cache either. | Sep 30 16:50 |
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| schestowitz | This one works: http://www.itweb.co.za/sections/business/... | Sep 30 16:51 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft Live Search Maps hates Chrome and Firefox: http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news... | Sep 30 17:17 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR will like this one: "Apple stock fell $20.74, or 16 percent, to $107.50 in afternoon trading." http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquire... | Sep 30 17:20 |
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| brunomiguel | it's microsoft sharing it's love with itself. it's almost like masturbation... xD | Sep 30 17:27 |
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| schestowitz | More 'like cocaine' < http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10053304-... > | Sep 30 17:29 |
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| brunomiguel | i prefer to call it crack or heroine | Sep 30 17:29 |
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| brunomiguel | terribly addictive and deadly | Sep 30 17:29 |
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| brunomiguel | you give it one "kick" and you'll have an hard time cleaning your soul | Sep 30 17:30 |
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| brunomiguel | free software is also a drug, but like oxigen | Sep 30 17:31 |
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| brunomiguel | you need it to live, it's a part of your life | Sep 30 17:31 |
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| schestowitz | Proprietary software as "addictive"? Sounds not sufficiently passive. | Sep 30 17:31 |
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| brunomiguel | it's a bad addiction and the minute you use it, your chained to it | Sep 30 17:32 |
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| brunomiguel | it's a bad translation by google, but the last point explains what I meant: http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%... | Sep 30 17:34 |
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| brunomiguel | *last paragraph | Sep 30 17:35 |
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| schestowitz | Well, they got the 'drugs' at schools. RMS has tried to explain this to corruptible ICT folks and politicians that serve as Agents of Microsoft at national schools funded by taxpayers. | Sep 30 17:37 |
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| trmanco | hey | Sep 30 17:40 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, what's up? | Sep 30 17:40 |
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| brunomiguel | trmanco: viva :) | Sep 30 17:40 |
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| trmanco | ole | Sep 30 17:40 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: just catching up now. | Sep 30 17:42 |
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| trmanco | :P | Sep 30 17:42 |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: :) | Sep 30 17:46 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* 'Anal-ysts' on the defense: http://socializedsoftware.com/2008/09/23/de... | Sep 30 17:46 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: the posts says nothing about Macheads crying in tears though. | Sep 30 17:47 |
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| MinceR | they never will until crApple finally goes bankrupt | Sep 30 17:48 |
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| MinceR | such is the effect of the Reality Distortion Field. | Sep 30 17:48 |
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| schestowitz | I always try to emphasise that FOSS advocacy is very different from Mac/Apple advocacy. | Sep 30 17:48 |
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| schestowitz | One defends users' rights and another shills for one vain company's profits. | Sep 30 17:48 |
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| MinceR | indeed | Sep 30 17:49 |
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| MinceR | but crApple fanboys either don't care about FLOSS or they believe religiously that crApple supports FLOSS. | Sep 30 17:49 |
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| schestowitz | I just don't understand what drives them. It's the "Jobs pocket is bigger than Ballmer's pocket argument." | Sep 30 17:49 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: no, supporting Apple passionately is failing to see that you promote something even worse and in a way encourage more of the same behaviour. | Sep 30 17:50 |
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| schestowitz | Changing devils as in "better the devil that I know..." If only they could be made to realise this. | Sep 30 17:51 |
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| MinceR | i think what drives them is along the lines of fanaticism for form over function and belonging to a tiny clique that looks down upon outsiders | Sep 30 17:52 |
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| schestowitz | Patrick Durusau and Microsoft having lotsa fun: http://adjb.net/index.php?en... | Sep 30 17:53 |
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| brunomiguel | naiveness? http://wiki.alcidesfonseca.com/blog/micr... | Sep 30 17:55 |
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| schestowitz | brunomiguel: yes. That's why I stopped saying "open source" (among other words to avoid... http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html ) | Sep 30 17:57 |
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| schestowitz | Spotted 10 seconds ago: "Open Source Guru Rails Against Cloud Computing ‘Hype’" http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2008/09... | Sep 30 17:58 |
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| schestowitz | That's right, ladies and gents: RMS is an OPEN-SOURCE Guru. Never mind that Free software thing that predates it by 15 years. | Sep 30 17:59 |
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| brunomiguel | also about cloud computing: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20... | Sep 30 18:00 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, found this one earlier: http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news... | Sep 30 18:00 |
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| schestowitz | It's fine as long as you run it on your own server and control the code, the style, the conditions of use, etc. I have lots of s/w on schestowitz.com | Sep 30 18:01 |
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| MinceR | well, free software and open source are the same thing | Sep 30 18:01 |
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| schestowitz | No, not really. | Sep 30 18:01 |
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| schestowitz | RMS would be rightly (leftly?) pissed off. They described him using the term that he hates a lot. | Sep 30 18:02 |
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| brunomiguel | free software is about ethics, politics, respect. open source is about being practical | Sep 30 18:02 |
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| MinceR | they're two perspectives on the exact same thing | Sep 30 18:02 |
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| MinceR | you can't have one without the other. | Sep 30 18:02 |
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| schestowitz | No, open is softwer, broader. | Sep 30 18:02 |
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| MinceR | how so? | Sep 30 18:02 |
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| MinceR | what scenario would fit the OSD but not the FSD? | Sep 30 18:02 |
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| schestowitz | All kinds of restrictive licences met OSD requirements. | Sep 30 18:02 |
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| MinceR | such as? | Sep 30 18:02 |
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| schestowitz | Eclipse, I think. | Sep 30 18:03 |
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| *MinceR checks | Sep 30 18:03 |
| MinceR | to speed it up: what are the restrictions in the EPL? | Sep 30 18:03 |
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| schestowitz | I'd have to check. | Sep 30 18:04 |
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| MinceR | i'm doing so too, but i might not necessarily spot it. | Sep 30 18:04 |
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| schestowitz | Amazing... http://technocrat.net/d/2008/9/28/50344 | Sep 30 18:06 |
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| schestowitz | Is that whole Zimbra thing ever seen as acceptable by OSI? I very much doubt it. | Sep 30 18:07 |
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| MinceR | i don't see anything especially restrictive in the EPL. | Sep 30 18:07 |
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| MinceR | IANAL though. | Sep 30 18:07 |
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| schestowitz | Some licences (like Microsoft's) are also platform-preferential. They require that you use non-Free software or push that way. | Sep 30 18:07 |
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| MinceR | that would violate point 9 of the OSD (http://opensource.org/docs/osd) | Sep 30 18:12 |
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| MinceR | or perhaps not. | Sep 30 18:12 |
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| MinceR | point 8 might apply though. | Sep 30 18:13 |
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| MinceR | point 10 especially. | Sep 30 18:14 |
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| MinceR | 10. License Must Be Technology-Neutral | Sep 30 18:14 |
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| MinceR | No provision of the license may be predicated on any individual technology or style of interface. | Sep 30 18:14 |
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| MinceR | regarding FS vs OSS: http://perens.com/works/articles... | Sep 30 18:16 |
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| schestowitz | They try to have FOSS devs use non-Free software: Ballmer gives Norwegian students free love http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/2... | Sep 30 18:16 |
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| schestowitz | Sourceforge also accepted Microsoft money to promote it. | Sep 30 18:16 |
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| MinceR | hm, do they call screwing in the ass "free love" now? | Sep 30 18:19 |
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| schestowitz | Well, it's a different /kind/ of love. | Sep 30 18:20 |
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| schestowitz | Price-fixing: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/09/3... | Sep 30 18:25 |
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| _Doug | Roku goes open source .. | Sep 30 18:46 |
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| _Doug | http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=2932 | Sep 30 18:46 |
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| schestowitz | For the millionth time (FUD that never stops): http://www.centredaily.com/business/story/868497.html | Sep 30 18:47 |
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| _Doug | "F/OSS is rife with legal ambiguities and risk. F/OSS is subject to an anomalous, complex, and decentralized licensing scheme that has evolved entirely apart from conventional, commercial licensing models" | Sep 30 18:48 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.linux.com/feature/142729 http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/07/11/roku-netfli... http://www.i4u.com/article18151.html | Sep 30 18:48 |
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| _Doug | "One of the key questions facing the F/OSS industry .. is whether the F/OSS licenses are enforceable" | Sep 30 18:48 |
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| _Doug | http://gpl-violations.org/ | Sep 30 18:49 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, they can't stop warning and scaring though. | Sep 30 18:49 |
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| _Doug | "The Hubble space telescope has stopped transmitting data to Earth after a data formatting computer failed" | Sep 30 18:56 |
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| _Doug | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2... | Sep 30 18:56 |
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| schestowitz | Did they try rebooting? | Sep 30 18:57 |
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| _Doug | It's software assurance license expired .. | Sep 30 19:01 |
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| _Doug | error: please insert the Vista recovery CD :) | Sep 30 19:02 |
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| schestowitz | Well, after the Windows/NASA incident, you never know, do you? http://www.mg.co.za/article/2008-09-0... | Sep 30 19:02 |
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| _Doug | Blame UNIX .. | Sep 30 19:04 |
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| schestowitz | Found 1 minute ago: http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.c... | Sep 30 19:06 |
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| schestowitz | KDE 4 in Mand2009: http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&2008/... | Sep 30 19:21 |
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| _Doug | time to de-lurk .. | Sep 30 19:22 |
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| _Doug | bye .. | Sep 30 19:22 |
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| schestowitz | Political rants are better: http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&2008/0... http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&2008/09... | Sep 30 19:23 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* more here: http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&... | Sep 30 19:26 |
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| neighborlee | http://tim.thechases.com/mononono/ < :) | Sep 30 19:42 |
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| schestowitz | less than smile? :-) | Sep 30 19:43 |
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| neighborlee | lol | Sep 30 19:43 |
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| schestowitz | Does mononono requires mono to install? Did Tim write it using C#? | Sep 30 19:46 |
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| ld50 | i read in the newspaper that steve ballmer is in portugal to talk with the prime minister | Sep 30 19:53 |
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| ld50 | online i only found this: http://www.crn.com/software/210604794 | Sep 30 19:54 |
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| schestowitz | Seen this one yet? http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/... Some more in: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/25/... | Sep 30 19:54 |
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| schestowitz | The Gillen liar is again spewing Microsoft FUD: http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com... | Sep 30 19:56 |
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| schestowitz | The usual FUD about access to source code. Does he pretend not to understand FOSS or did Microsoft drape his pockets with dollars again? | Sep 30 19:56 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, no | Sep 30 19:56 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, its just a deb you install , that removes mono and makes it a dependency nightmare for it to install itself again | Sep 30 19:57 |
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| schestowitz | neighborlee: yeah, I was joking. | Sep 30 19:58 |
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| neighborlee | jes ;) | Sep 30 19:58 |
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| neighborlee | yes ;0 | Sep 30 19:59 |
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| schestowitz | AVRS2: "Agnes Kwan, confirmed that they will be running a Venezuelan-developed version of Debian Linux called Canaima Debian" < http://education.zdnet.com/?p=1875 > | Sep 30 20:19 |
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| trmanco | http://info.abril.com.br/aberto/infonews/0... | Sep 30 21:20 |
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| trmanco | for some reason Google can't translate the hole article | Sep 30 21:20 |
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| trmanco | "O governo venezuelano fechou um acordo com um grupo português para comprar 1 milhão de laptops educacionais. O destino dos PCs são os estudantes da Venezuela, que receberão os computadores portáteis da Intel rodando distribuição Linux. " | Sep 30 21:20 |
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| schestowitz | Debian. | Sep 30 21:21 |
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| schestowitz | From the wrong company though (Intel). | Sep 30 21:21 |
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| trmanco | which is | Sep 30 21:21 |
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| trmanco | "The Venezuelan government struck a deal with a Portuguese group to buy 1 million laptops education. The fate of the PCs are the students of Venezuela, who will receive the laptops running Intel's Linux distribution." | Sep 30 21:21 |
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| schestowitz | Intel deserves to be phased out along with Microsoft, with whom it colluded and bullied the entire in entire for decades. | Sep 30 21:22 |
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| trmanco | what kind of distro does intel maintain ? | Sep 30 21:22 |
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| schestowitz | None. It's odd. | Sep 30 21:23 |
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| trmanco | :| | Sep 30 21:23 |
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| schestowitz | My brother-in-law showed me that they use Linux internally though... based on SUSE. | Sep 30 21:23 |
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| trmanco | ... | Sep 30 21:24 |
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| trmanco | I think that e1000e corruption thing is solved | Sep 30 21:26 |
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| schestowitz | Probably. Another reason to steer away from Intel? It was probably their fault. | Sep 30 21:28 |
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| trmanco | don't know | Sep 30 21:29 |
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| trmanco | they probably came up with some weird specifications | Sep 30 21:29 |
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| trmanco | by the final 2.6.27 I'm sure these 1000e problems will be all gone | Sep 30 21:30 |
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| schestowitz | Otherwise it won't be released just yet. | Sep 30 21:31 |
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| trmanco | I think I read something about intel cooperating on this bug to the kernel | Sep 30 21:31 |
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| trmanco | but I'm not quite sure | Sep 30 21:31 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, Novell spoke to them. | Sep 30 21:34 |
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| trmanco | meh | Sep 30 21:34 |
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| schestowitz | Two evils get along. Ask Microsoft, friends of Intel and Novell. | Sep 30 21:37 |
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| trmanco | yeah | Sep 30 21:40 |
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| trmanco | So yet another week, another -rc. This one should be the last one: we're | Sep 30 21:42 |
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| trmanco | certainly not running out of regressions, but at the same time, at some | Sep 30 21:42 |
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| trmanco | point I just have to pick some point, and on the whole the regressions | Sep 30 21:42 |
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| trmanco | don't look _too_ scary. And -rc8 obviously does fix more of them. | Sep 30 21:42 |
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| trmanco | http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/lin... | Sep 30 21:44 |
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| schestowitz | Linux is moving too fast | Sep 30 21:44 |
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| schestowitz | For almost a year at the least. Even Morton complained about iot. | Sep 30 21:45 |
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| trmanco | http://groups.google.com/group/linux.kerne... | Sep 30 21:46 |
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| trmanco | this is a better view of the thread/email | Sep 30 21:46 |
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| trmanco | well, is is moving at a good pace because it needs too :P | Sep 30 21:46 |
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