| twitter | Longsoon, that's based on MIPS, right? | Oct 28 00:18 |
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| schestowitz | I think so. | Oct 28 00:18 |
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| twitter | It's about time we saw some nice cheap and free netbooks. | Oct 28 00:18 |
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| schestowitz | Price-fixing era is kaput. The Chinese have done it. | Oct 28 00:19 |
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| twitter | Didn't we see this netbook a few weeks back? | Oct 28 00:21 |
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| twitter | Cool, a camera. | Oct 28 00:21 |
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| twitter | It sucks, but it's there. | Oct 28 00:21 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, it's old news. | Oct 28 00:22 |
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| schestowitz | China starts with 'cheap/poor copycats', but later they mature and beat the market. | Oct 28 00:23 |
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| twitter | 12 W, that's nice. I wonder why it's being covered again and where it will be on sale. | Oct 28 00:23 |
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| schestowitz | First they ignore you, then... you know the gig. | Oct 28 00:23 |
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| twitter | It's easier than that. Those who do are those who know. | Oct 28 00:23 |
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| twitter | Those who know and have resources can easily upset monopolies that retard the market on purpose. | Oct 28 00:24 |
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| twitter | We treated the Chinese as slaves. They learned all our tricks and then some. Now they will return the favor. | Oct 28 00:26 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, they deserve to get back at 'us'. | Oct 28 00:26 |
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| schestowitz | I reckon it won't come to the US at this price. | Oct 28 00:26 |
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| schestowitz | Intel will try an embargo or something with patents as ransom. | Oct 28 00:27 |
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| schestowitz | Intel is an aggressive and corrupt company. Don't be misled b its image. | Oct 28 00:27 |
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| twitter | They already hit Longsoon with patents and trademark violations, which is why they are already not here. That's over. | Oct 28 00:27 |
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| schestowitz | Ha! | Oct 28 00:28 |
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| PetoKraus | i want it | Oct 28 00:28 |
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| schestowitz | Well, I remember China complaining that Intel was monopolistic. | Oct 28 00:28 |
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| schestowitz | But you know, Intel see it as its God-given right to make lots of money. | Oct 28 00:28 |
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| twitter | They don't mind doing it with $300/month Chinese labor either. | Oct 28 00:29 |
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| twitter | That's a game that can't last. | Oct 28 00:29 |
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| schestowitz | So if you say "No" to Intel or start a charity to help kids, intel attacks and calls it "treason". I urge you to encourage people not to buy Intel chips... just as people are taught not to buy cigarettes. | Oct 28 00:29 |
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| twitter | Intel is usually the least efficient thing on the market but they are hard to avoid. | Oct 28 00:30 |
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| schestowitz | Not /too/ hard. They /would/ be hard to avoid if you keep buying from them, thus starving their competition. | Oct 28 00:30 |
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| schestowitz | And I think AMD pays its competitor (Intel) patent tax... | Oct 28 00:31 |
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| MinceR | gn | Oct 28 00:31 |
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| twitter | Most of what I find on the curb is Intel. | Oct 28 00:31 |
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| twitter | Everything I buy is AMD, except Thinkpads. | Oct 28 00:31 |
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| twitter | One of these low power MIPS devices would be a good replacement for my aging Thinkpad. | Oct 28 00:32 |
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| schestowitz | Talk to your vender. Ask them. | Oct 28 00:32 |
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| twitter | It will be a while before I buy anything. Need job. | Oct 28 00:33 |
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| schestowitz | *vandor. Ask it why they don't offer choice. Ask them why they support a convicted monopolist and offer no choice. | Oct 28 00:33 |
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| schestowitz | Ask the FTC if they prevent competition from overseas (those MIPS chips). | Oct 28 00:34 |
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| twitter | MIPS or old powerPC would make a nice replacement for my gateway. Gotta put these old SCSIs in one high performance box that can stay turned off most of the time. | Oct 28 00:34 |
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| twitter | I want quiet. | Oct 28 00:35 |
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| PetoKraus | go geode | Oct 28 00:35 |
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| schestowitz | America /loves/ to portray countries like China (which it fears tremendously) as "intolerant", but given the direction of the abuse, it's all in reverse. | Oct 28 00:35 |
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| PetoKraus | http://www.fit-pc.co.uk/ | Oct 28 00:35 |
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| twitter | China is non free, a little worse than the US. | Oct 28 00:36 |
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| twitter | Trade with China came from selling out ideas for a fast buck. The loss of US freedom was a given from there. | Oct 28 00:36 |
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| twitter | Wars of aggression follow slavery. | Oct 28 00:36 |
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| twitter | Saying something like the above in China might get you thrown in jail and your organs harvested. | Oct 28 00:37 |
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| twitter | Saying it here will get you on watch lists. | Oct 28 00:38 |
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| schestowitz | What specifically? | Oct 28 00:39 |
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| twitter | If I knew that ... | Oct 28 00:41 |
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| twitter | Code Pink was put on an FBI criminal list. They found out when they were not able to travel to Canada. It could also keep them from getting a job, unlisted criminal offense will get you dropped like a hot cake or fired. | Oct 28 00:42 |
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| schestowitz | They have code pink? | Oct 28 00:43 |
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| schestowitz | I thought they lack diversity. It's a binary condition... [terrorist|not terrorist] | Oct 28 00:43 |
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| twitter | Code Pink is a group opposed to the Iraq war. The criminal database they were put on has nothing to do with terrorism and everything to do with political harassment. | Oct 28 00:44 |
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| twitter | Death penalty opponents, peace protesters and others were put on a terrorist list in Maryland. If the database in question was made for tracking terrorists but was expanded, immediately to political opposition. | Oct 28 00:45 |
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| schestowitz | Preditable. | Oct 28 00:45 |
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| twitter | The "crimes" listed were absurd and might as well have included "voting" | Oct 28 00:45 |
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| schestowitz | Preditctable.Some people foresaw this. | Oct 28 00:46 |
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| twitter | I saw it right away when all the assholes came out of hiding on 9/11. | Oct 28 00:46 |
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| twitter | The stock market crash of the late 90's was bad. 9/11 was insane. | Oct 28 00:47 |
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| twitter | Hivision movie is nice. | Oct 28 00:48 |
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| schestowitz | Call it resentment, but I want to see these low-cost machines reaching the masses and slaughtering corrupt companies like Intel. It would help digital education and ruin exploiters. | Oct 28 00:52 |
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| twitter | Wanting good things for your neighbors is not resentment, it is charity. | Oct 28 00:56 |
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| schestowitz | That's portrayed as dissidence by those who lose their might. | Oct 28 00:57 |
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| twitter | They are criminals. Punishing them is justice. | Oct 28 00:58 |
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| schestowitz | Punishing them is hard. You stand against a whole pyramid, not just one company. | Oct 28 01:01 |
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| schestowitz | Look how a boycott against Novell must also stand against $100 million cash infusions. | Oct 28 01:01 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft needs Novell alive just as it needed SCO alike (and gave it $86 million). | Oct 28 01:01 |
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| twitter | M$ needs to worry about keeping M$ alive at this point. | Oct 28 01:07 |
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| twitter | But they are out of their minds with Windows 7 and Cloud based lockin. | Oct 28 01:08 |
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| twitter | http://slashdot.org/~twit... | Oct 28 01:08 |
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| twitter | http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/10/... | Oct 28 01:08 |
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| twitter | crack pipe fantasy. | Oct 28 01:09 |
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| twitter | You can just imagine their planning. We have NBC/broadcasters on board, the content which we will wrap up in the cloudy silverlight. Bwahahahah! People will be drawn to our software for the content and drawn to the content by the software monopoly. | Oct 28 01:13 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: /. giving Microsoft lots of coverage this week? | Oct 28 01:13 |
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| twitter | It's my hobby. | Oct 28 01:13 |
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| twitter | :) | Oct 28 01:13 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe the shills budgets is up a bit. The Firehose watercooler budget... | Oct 28 01:13 |
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| twitter | Meanwhile YouTube and 1E6 other services deliver music, movies and other stuff through reasonable standards. | Oct 28 01:14 |
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| twitter | Shills, where? | Oct 28 01:14 |
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| schestowitz | No, that's bad. | Oct 28 01:14 |
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| twitter | I'm confused again. | Oct 28 01:14 |
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| schestowitz | They must de-commoditize those things. | Oct 28 01:14 |
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| schestowitz | Watch the Halloween Documents. | Oct 28 01:15 |
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| schestowitz | Formats and protocols everything can use = bad. | Oct 28 01:15 |
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| schestowitz | Flash works on GNU/Linux, so Microsoft can't let it be. | Oct 28 01:15 |
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| twitter | Sure, M$ wants to do that but have failed again and again. That's why their new venture is a pipe dream. | Oct 28 01:15 |
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| twitter | theora is going to replace flash. | Oct 28 01:15 |
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| schestowitz | .It must try to replace & discriminate & extend & destory | Oct 28 01:15 |
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| schestowitz | Netscape vs ActiveX... | Oct 28 01:15 |
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| schestowitz | Where the h* are the regulators? | Oct 28 01:16 |
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| schestowitz | They used to hawk Silver Lie for the abuse it is. | Oct 28 01:16 |
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| twitter | Regulators got thrown out 8 years ago, remember? | Oct 28 01:16 |
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| schestowitz | But then Miguel & Novell came along saying the regulators are foolish or whatever... | Oct 28 01:16 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: well, it's a corrupt system yeah... so regulators are paid better by bribes than by doing their job. | Oct 28 01:17 |
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| twitter | If all M$ has to push their stack is Vista 2.0, aka Windows 7, they are screwed. | Oct 28 01:17 |
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| schestowitz | They are appointed with the assistence of commerce. | Oct 28 01:17 |
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| schestowitz | Then serving as 'puppets', also known as insiders or cronies. | Oct 28 01:17 |
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| schestowitz | It's confirmed that Microsoft stuffed the DOj with them back in Netscape days. | Oct 28 01:18 |
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| schestowitz | Ah well... | Oct 28 01:18 |
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| schestowitz | At least in Soviet Russia, govt. controls commerce. | Oct 28 01:18 |
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| twitter | It's amazing. They had it all and flunked out. Non free software development just does not work, even when you have it all like M$ did. | Oct 28 01:19 |
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| twitter | The only thing I can imagine as a rescue is if they purchase Apple. | Oct 28 01:20 |
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| twitter | Mac at least sort of works. | Oct 28 01:20 |
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| twitter | M$ would probably screw it all up but an OS conversion might keep them around and troublesome for a few years more. | Oct 28 01:21 |
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| twitter | Then again, Apple is making so much money these days, M$ probably can't touch them. | Oct 28 01:22 |
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| twitter | That means game over without some new kind of government protection. | Oct 28 01:22 |
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| schestowitz | They become patent trolls. | Oct 28 01:24 |
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| schestowitz | I believe that what we cover in BN is tomorrow's big debate. | Oct 28 01:24 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft has already lost the technical battle. It had inertia going for a while, but its share is eroding now. Web servers, desktop, embedded, mobille, consoles, you name it... | Oct 28 01:25 |
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| twitter | I think you are right. They already are patent trolls all that's left for them is to start the suits. | Oct 28 01:26 |
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| schestowitz | I'm off to bed now. GN | Oct 28 01:29 |
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| twitter | good night | Oct 28 01:30 |
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| schestowitz | Inflation up, interest.. well... "An economist in the UK is suggesting it might be necessary for the Bank of England to go to a zero percent interest rate in order to save the economy." http://technocrat.net/d/2008/1... | Oct 28 07:46 |
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| schestowitz | Britain may need zero per cent interest rate, says top economist Charles Goodhart < http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/f... > | Oct 28 07:47 |
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| MinceR | in today's news, wired magazine loses all credibility: http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?s... | Oct 28 07:53 |
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| schestowitz | It's a blog though... http://blog.wired.com/27bstro... | Oct 28 07:54 |
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| schestowitz | What you need to ask your is, why did /Slashdot/ put the story up? | Oct 28 07:56 |
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| MinceR | to troll the readers. they need traffic :> | Oct 28 08:14 |
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| MinceR | it's a blog of an editor though, isn't it? | Oct 28 08:14 |
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| schestowitz | I think so. | Oct 28 08:15 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.itwire.com/content/view/2... | Oct 28 08:15 |
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| schestowitz | More DRM/Mono/swpats infection: "Soon, with the aid of Silverlight's integrated PlayReady DRM, Intel-based Mac users will be able to stream their chosen content." < http://www.betanews.com/article/New_... > | Oct 28 10:05 |
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| schestowitz | Other Tools Terrrorists Might Use: Voice, Pencils, Fax Machines, Email, Mobile Phones, Etc. < http://techdirt.com/articles/20081026/1... > | Oct 28 10:43 |
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| schestowitz | Whirlpool to cut 5,000 jobs by 2009 < http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/081028/ea... > | Oct 28 10:44 |
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| schestowitz | IDG wrongly calls Shuttleworth a billionaire. ""We continue to require investment and I continue to be careful with my pennies in making those investments, but I consider this a good proposition," said the billionaire technologist. "Canonical is not cash-positive, but our offering is very attractive to those who want to pinch their pennies in the Linux space."" < http://www.pcworld.com/article/152889... > | Oct 28 11:16 |
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| schestowitz | Patent aggressor setback: http://www.pcworld.com/article/152904... (NetApp Cancels User Conference, Blames Economy) | Oct 28 11:20 |
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| schestowitz | SAP Profit Falls for Q3, Drops Sales Forecast < http://www.pcworld.com/article/1529... > | Oct 28 11:21 |
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| schestowitz | So, Bruce published some kind personal attack on me last Friday. I notice that Sam has put this into context (and no, I didn't have anything to do with this article): http://www.itwire.com/content/view/21377/1090/ | Oct 28 11:47 |
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| schestowitz | ""Four days ago, an article purporting to analyse the raison d\'etre behind the website BoycottNovell.com appeared on the linux.com site. The author, Bruce Byfield, who styles himself as a \"computer journalist\", however, failed to tell his reading public that the piece was just a thinly disguised and veiled attack on the person who runs the BoycottNovell site." | Oct 28 11:48 |
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| MinceR | what's Shuttleworth's financial status? | Oct 28 11:49 |
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| schestowitz | I think he sold for $700 million, but he must have had investors clinging onto most of it. He burned $20 million on a space trip and I'm guessing he has about $100ml. See his latest blog item about the ecnomy. | Oct 28 11:50 |
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| MinceR | ic | Oct 28 11:54 |
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| schestowitz | http://blogs.computerworld.com/ubuntus_shuttlew... | Oct 28 11:54 |
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| MinceR | isn't selling services just a way of making money from (among other things) the linux desktop? | Oct 28 11:57 |
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| schestowitz | Alaska Senator Is Found Guilty on 7 Ethics Counts < http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/28/washi... >. What's the name of that Alaskan politician running for VP position? :-) | Oct 28 11:58 |
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| kentma | money will be made from support as we go forward. money from licensing is much less likely. | Oct 28 11:58 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, but he must be thinking about proprietary services. | Oct 28 11:58 |
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| schestowitz | It's a razor and razor blades situation. | Oct 28 11:58 |
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| schestowitz | Very interesting post about blog going silent...(or not): On Blogging in 2008 < http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/... | Oct 28 12:42 |
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| schestowitz | Here we go... "critical comments about the authorities" = 'child pr0n' http://www.linuxworld.com.au... "Conroy’s mandatory Internet filtering proposal caused a stir last week when it was revealed a member of his department had tried to censor severely critical comments made on the Whirlpool broadband forum by an Internode network engineer regarding the merits of ISP level filtering. " | Oct 28 12:56 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft Jack is attacking Linux again using myths and lies: http://www.guardian.co.uk/techn... | Oct 28 13:02 |
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| _Doug | re: Watch how Microsoft’s CEO flirts with Gartner .. | Oct 28 13:15 |
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| _Doug | See him trashing Google Apps .. personally I use portable apps and google .. the OS has become irreverent .. | Oct 28 13:15 |
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| schestowitz | Gartner doesn't like Google. | Oct 28 13:15 |
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| schestowitz | I never see them even mention Google. | Oct 28 13:15 |
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| kentma | the os is, in fact, critical, to getting inexpensive devices suitable for on-line apps :-) | Oct 28 13:15 |
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| schestowitz | They also tossed FUD at iPhone and other Microsoft rivals. You can easily tell who pays a lot of their bills. | Oct 28 13:16 |
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| schestowitz | AlexGr , AKA real name Jeff Gould, is once again pushing Microsoft agenda in Slashdot: http://linux.slashdot.org/articl... | Oct 28 13:17 |
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| schestowitz | He always uses the same techniques and nyms. He attacks Linux and IBM while glorifying Microsoft's openness. Other people have noticed this too (independently). | Oct 28 13:18 |
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| _Doug | student charged for reporting security flaws .. | Oct 28 13:19 |
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| _Doug | http://it.slashdot.org/it/0... | Oct 28 13:19 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.spj.org/ethicscode.asp | Oct 28 13:19 |
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| schestowitz | They should charge his battery... or bank account instead. He helped in spotting a bug, no? (haven't read it yet) | Oct 28 13:20 |
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| _Doug | "A University of Pennsylvania student was sentenced to three months in custody on Tuesday .. Ryan Goldstein, 22, .. would have faced a far tougher sentence if his admitted possession of child abuse images was taken into account" | Oct 28 13:22 |
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| _Doug | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/1... | Oct 28 13:22 |
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| _Doug | "The judge took the unusual step of sentencing Goldstein alongside convicted child pornographer Derrick Williams, of Philadelphia, at the same hearing." | Oct 28 13:22 |
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| twitter | " schestowitz: Maybe the shills budgets is up a bit. The Firehose watercooler budget..." It's about the same as always. Here's an epic thread, none of it mine but the start. Ask yourself who's making a mockery of Slashdot. | Oct 28 13:23 |
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| schestowitz | What did the server run? | Oct 28 13:23 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: the Gould shill doesn't go through firehose. | Oct 28 13:24 |
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| schestowitz | He goes through the editors, also in LinuxToday. I wrote about it in BN before. http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01/23/jeff-g... | Oct 28 13:25 |
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| _Doug | slashdot: it *is* odd what they consider tech news .. | Oct 28 13:25 |
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| MinceR | Jeff Goa'uld! | Oct 28 13:25 |
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| schestowitz | _Doug: they also seem to blindly accept everything Matt Asay sends them... Asay did an interview with Malda a while ago, so I sense a conflict of interests. | Oct 28 13:26 |
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| _Doug | " Sometimes I wonder whether Ubuntu is really an open source software company any more", AlexG | Oct 28 13:27 |
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| _Doug | I kinda recognise the style .. like it's written by the same team of fudsters .. :) | Oct 28 13:28 |
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| schestowitz | _Doug: he attacked them like this before. | Oct 28 13:28 |
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| _Doug | " the Ubuntu distro is sponsored by a traditional for-profit company" for shame :] | Oct 28 13:29 |
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| schestowitz | He tried to incite people against them. Don't read him and consider dropping /. too. It's 'tainted'. | Oct 28 13:29 |
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| twitter | He did come from the firehose on that article. The editors quoted Red Hat and left Alex's gibberish out. Still not newsworthy. | Oct 28 13:29 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe the 'Turfers' gave this one a boost then. | Oct 28 13:30 |
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| _Doug | it's shit like that that have trashed slashdots reputation as a real tech site | Oct 28 13:30 |
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| twitter | That's probable. | Oct 28 13:30 |
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| _Doug | instead of being a glorified advertising horading | Oct 28 13:30 |
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| schestowitz | If Perens is anything to go by, those Microsoft-sympathetic PR messages I see there in the comments are no ordinary readers. | Oct 28 13:30 |
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| schestowitz | Those in Slashdot who mercilessly point out the truth about Microsoft get buried out of site, maybe driven away from the site through abuse | Oct 28 13:31 |
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| schestowitz | it's getting to be more like this in Digg as well. | Oct 28 13:31 |
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| _Doug | shame on you Malda .. | Oct 28 13:31 |
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| twitter | BRLUG people gave up Slashdot comments about six years ago, when M$ got obvious about stinking the place up. It's been a long slog against Slashdot. | Oct 28 13:32 |
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| twitter | Now that they think they rule the comments entirely, they have turned their attention on guiding the stories. | Oct 28 13:33 |
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| _Doug | "What's comical though is the blatant, almost Orwellian contradiction between their hard-nosed desire to make money and the grandiose Ubuntu philosophy:" | Oct 28 13:34 |
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| _Doug | "It's a clear sign that Mark Shuttleworth – who has been funding Ubuntu out of the half billion dollar fortune he earned from closed source software back in the 90s" | Oct 28 13:34 |
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| twitter | Some people don't understand free software. | Oct 28 13:35 |
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| _Doug | sneering c**t .. | Oct 28 13:35 |
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| twitter | The easiest way to combat that is to say that you don't have to be unethical to make money. | Oct 28 13:35 |
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| twitter | M$ screws their customers. | Oct 28 13:35 |
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| schestowitz | _Doug: I never click on link to his site. | Oct 28 13:35 |
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| schestowitz | If you could find out more about his relationship with Microsoft, that would be great. | Oct 28 13:36 |
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| schestowitz | He's like another Enderle, just less prolific. | Oct 28 13:36 |
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| _Doug | possiblly very tenious .. most probably gets funded studies from some third company .. | Oct 28 13:37 |
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| _Doug | it's curious how these one-man-band consultancies keep coming out of the wood.work ? | Oct 28 13:38 |
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| schestowitz | _Doug: yes, or consulting contracts. | Oct 28 13:39 |
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| _Doug | I consult you some revenue and you tell lies about my competitors :) | Oct 28 13:39 |
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| schestowitz | $Pundit sucks up to $company, gets the word around, $company approaches $Pundit with some $$ for consulting/job | Oct 28 13:39 |
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| schestowitz | Watch what happened with Peter Galli for example. | Oct 28 13:39 |
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| _Doug | it's also curious as before their lernered prouncments on 'Linux', I never heard of them before, and I've been following 'Open Source' for a good while now .. | Oct 28 13:42 |
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| MinceR | hm, didn't he earn his fortune from a service (that is, Thawte)? | Oct 28 13:42 |
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| _Doug | It's also curious as to how they don't actually ask anyone working in the field, before trashing it .. | Oct 28 13:43 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, service. | Oct 28 13:43 |
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| _Doug | I stand corrected, it's a three-man-band ... | Oct 28 13:43 |
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| schestowitz | "She planted the story... we got the Okay from BrianV" | Oct 28 13:43 |
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| _Doug | http://www.peerstoneresearch.com/about.htm | Oct 28 13:43 |
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| schestowitz | Tough economical times.. people sell out for their homes/ | Oct 28 13:44 |
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| schestowitz | Is Microsoft listed among the clients, _Doug? | Oct 28 13:44 |
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| _Doug | dunno .. wait .. | Oct 28 13:44 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozclient&a... | Oct 28 13:45 |
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| _Doug | "Peerstone, Computer Reseller News (CRN), VARBusiness and ChannelWeb have teamed up" | Oct 28 13:45 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.informationweek.com/softwar... | Oct 28 13:46 |
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| schestowitz | It does not seem too 'incestuous'. | Oct 28 13:46 |
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| _Doug | "neither Windows Server nor Linux can currently offer the same scalability for database applications as Unix" | Oct 28 13:47 |
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| schestowitz | This may be true. | Oct 28 13:49 |
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| schestowitz | Anyway, I am usually careful about naming people in this way, but the detractors seek comments in places like IRC channels. I notice that Groklaw's detractors (e.g. Alexander T) are stalking comments too and use them against the site. We need to become more careful over time. BTW, I have no idea why Bruce tried to drag Groklaw into his BN smear. | Oct 28 13:49 |
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| _Doug | was maybe true .. | Oct 28 13:49 |
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| schestowitz | _Doug: there's a response to that smear... nothing to do with me though. I was going to post one of my own. | Oct 28 13:49 |
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| schestowitz | _Doug: scaled-up machines run Linux these days (mainframes, HPC).. that's why IBM sinks so money into it. | Oct 28 13:50 |
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| schestowitz | http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1... "In Nigeria, Microsoft proposed paying $400,000 last year under a joint-marketing agreement to a government contractor it was trying to persuade to replace Linux with Windows on thousands of school laptops." | Oct 28 13:51 |
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| schestowitz | it's not a bribe, it's "marketing help"... like 'gifts' to politicians, laptops for bloggers, consulting contract for sellouts, $15000 for Mac bloggers to diss Apple... | Oct 28 13:52 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft has found a raft of creative names to cast bribery as something else. | Oct 28 13:52 |
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| _Doug | don't you mean consulting fees ? | Oct 28 13:55 |
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| _Doug | MS black-nag-screen-of-death .. | Oct 28 13:56 |
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| _Doug | http://www.theaccidentalpm.com/product-mana... | Oct 28 13:56 |
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| _Doug | FOSS pioneered new technologies .. | Oct 28 13:58 |
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| _Doug | http://www.linuxformat.co.uk/static/i... | Oct 28 13:58 |
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| schestowitz | _Doug: why link to spinsoft? Watch what the press says.s. | Oct 28 14:00 |
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| schestowitz | 'Only' $30 in China... let them eat cakes, meanwhile we shall poke them with B[lack[SOD stick. | Oct 28 14:01 |
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| _Doug | Optaros Open Source Directory .. | Oct 28 14:03 |
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| _Doug | http://www.eosdirectory.com/ | Oct 28 14:03 |
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| schestowitz | haven't heard of it for ages. | Oct 28 14:05 |
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| schestowitz | It's a decent site, but not many people visit it, I think. | Oct 28 14:06 |
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| schestowitz | Netscraft rank?: 470000th. Groklaw is 1200th | Oct 28 14:06 |
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| _Doug | fame at last .. | Oct 28 14:07 |
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| _Doug | "BoycottNovell: just another website pushing a point of view" | Oct 28 14:07 |
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| _Doug | http://www.itwire.com/content/view/21377/1090/ | Oct 28 14:07 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Oct 28 14:07 |
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| schestowitz | Someone left a comment in BN to tell about it this morning. | Oct 28 14:07 |
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| _Doug | back later .. | Oct 28 14:09 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | Linux still impresses me all the time | Oct 28 14:13 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | So I mounted the ISO image via the loopback, copied the kernel and initrd files to the hard drive, created a grub entry capable of booting off the ISO (root=iso:/dev/XXX:/path/to/lfslivecd.iso) as per the LFS instructions, and booted into the LFS LiveCD from the ISO image. | Oct 28 14:13 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | from http://geekblog.oneandoneis2.org/index.php... | Oct 28 14:13 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I posted it this morning. | Oct 28 14:14 |
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| schestowitz | Doug just posted examples of Linux INNOVA~1 | Oct 28 14:14 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.linuxformat.co.uk/static/innov... ... Live CD. | Oct 28 14:14 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | lol | Oct 28 14:15 |
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| _Doug | Microsoft Battles Linux in Africa .. | Oct 28 14:25 |
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| _Doug | http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122332198757... | Oct 28 14:25 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, seen that. I'm writing a post about it at this very moment. | Oct 28 14:28 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | intersting article | Oct 28 14:29 |
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| schestowitz | I began posting to COLA just once a day (or something like that). It's less noisy then before. | Oct 28 14:29 |
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| schestowitz | *than | Oct 28 14:29 |
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| schestowitz | I don't trust WSJ. They did the coverup work for Intel after they had sabotaged OLPC | Oct 28 14:29 |
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| schestowitz | The white-collar press still has its collar tied to the leash of the monopolists. No coverage there of Freedom/Free software except in extreme circumstances. | Oct 28 14:30 |
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| schestowitz | Whie at the airport I also read the paper version with a full-page article beatifying the image of Intel and Otellini, downplaying (not mentioning) their corruption. It's just a Wall Street fan press. Buy , buy, invest, make money, fight at all costs.... Freedom?? What's that? | Oct 28 14:31 |
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| _Doug | Linux May Be Worth $10.8 Billion, but Is It for Everyone? | Oct 28 14:38 |
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| _Doug | http://www.technewsworld.com/story/Linux-May-... | Oct 28 14:38 |
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| schestowitz | ECT. Flamebait. | Oct 28 14:40 |
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| schestowitz | Why only SUSE... http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/index.ph... ?? | Oct 28 14:41 |
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| _Doug | is it open SuSE or SLES ? | Oct 28 14:42 |
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| _Doug | "Microsoft to open up 'M' language" | Oct 28 14:44 |
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| _Doug | http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/10... | Oct 28 14:44 |
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| schestowitz | The news appeared a while ago. | Oct 28 14:45 |
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| schestowitz | Probablt made /. too, no? I'm guessing. | Oct 28 14:45 |
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| _Doug | SCO Finantial Fiduciary Largess & Wagners | Oct 28 14:47 |
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| _Doug | http://www.ubersoft.net/ | Oct 28 14:47 |
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| _Doug | :) | Oct 28 14:47 |
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| _Doug | http://www.ubersoft.net/comic/... | Oct 28 14:47 |
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| schestowitz | :-) | Oct 28 14:48 |
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| _Doug | does anyone here think Russell Brand or Jonathan Ross are remotely funny ? | Oct 28 14:49 |
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| _Doug | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/ce... | Oct 28 14:49 |
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| twitter | Spent some time looking at AlexGr and Jeff Gould. You are right, the relation between them both and Slashdot is very strange. http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/215617 | Oct 28 15:00 |
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| schestowitz | "An audience of two million Radio 2 listeners heard Ross and Brand leave a series of answerphone messages for Mr Sachs, 78, in which they joked that Brand had slept with the actor's granddaughter." | Oct 28 15:00 |
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| twitter | gotta go for a while | Oct 28 15:01 |
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| schestowitz | Update the Zoo | Oct 28 15:01 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer... "This hacker was happily gathering Yahoo users’ account details enabling access into Yahoo Mail – the user doesn’t even need to type in their user name and password for the hacker to accomplish this, visiting the malign URLs on yahoo.com can be enough." | Oct 28 15:38 |
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| PetoKraus | beranger is really starting to get annoying | Oct 28 15:44 |
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| schestowitz | Is he talking about Linux/FOSS again? | Oct 28 15:45 |
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| PetoKraus | well, that Shuttleworth comment | Oct 28 15:46 |
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| PetoKraus | and he also said that Mint is rubbish | Oct 28 15:46 |
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| PetoKraus | after two weeks of hype | Oct 28 15:46 |
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| schestowitz | I ignore his Linux rants. This one is decent: http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&... | Oct 28 15:47 |
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| PetoKraus | he doesn't know what he wants, but he wants someone to provide him with something which he needs | Oct 28 15:47 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: he wants material to trash, that's all... but it's better when he trashes the patent system, not GNU/Linux. | Oct 28 15:47 |
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| schestowitz | "Such over-optimistic views were typical in the '60s. Nowadays, only morons still dream of a wonderful future on planet Earth..." | Oct 28 15:48 |
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| MinceR | a wonderful future on planet earth is possible | Oct 28 15:49 |
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| MinceR | one simple way of achieving it starts with eliminating the human species | Oct 28 15:49 |
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| schestowitz | Well, true, but... well, sadistic. | Oct 28 15:50 |
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| schestowitz | The apes would take over. | Oct 28 15:50 |
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| MinceR | they can't | Oct 28 15:51 |
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| twitter | I have a wonderful present and imagine a wonderful future. | Oct 28 15:51 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: the apes will have a change to do another round of evolution. ;-) | Oct 28 15:52 |
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| MinceR | perhaps this time they'll get it right. | Oct 28 15:52 |
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| schestowitz | Think about it. Assuming they reproduce, take over our abandoned cities after many evolutionary cycles do some excavation work. ;-) | Oct 28 15:52 |
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| _Doug | that's the plot of a movie .. | Oct 28 15:53 |
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| schestowitz | Will you direct it? | Oct 28 15:53 |
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| schestowitz | I always knew that Ballmer wanted to take over the planet :-)) | Oct 28 15:53 |
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| _Doug | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063442/ | Oct 28 15:53 |
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| twitter | Get your filthy paws off me, you damn dirty ape! | Oct 28 15:54 |
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| twitter | or something like that. | Oct 28 15:54 |
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| schestowitz | Ahhhh... the Mono desktop... http://armstrong-clan.net/dump/g1-li... It's the beast.. it's Ubuntu 8.10 | Oct 28 15:54 |
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| _Doug | Have you forgotten your scripture, the thirteenth scroll? "And Proteus brought the upright beast into the garden and chained him to a tree and the children did make sport of him." | Oct 28 15:55 |
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| _Doug | :) | Oct 28 15:55 |
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| _Doug | better than the remake ? | Oct 28 15:55 |
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| _Doug | I guess the religious parody had to be toned down in the current climate ? | Oct 28 16:00 |
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| _Doug | "Beware the best man, for he will make a desert of his home and users" | Oct 28 16:01 |
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| _Doug | someone would of course write the 'The Sacred Scrolls' .. | Oct 28 16:04 |
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| _Doug | http://planetoftheapes.wikia.c... | Oct 28 16:05 |
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| schestowitz | The chap's (chimp's) suit looks like it's made out of chocolate. | Oct 28 16:07 |
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| _Doug | is there a dictionary of imaginary books ? | Oct 28 16:14 |
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| _Doug | like, books mentioned in other books .. | Oct 28 16:14 |
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| _Doug | or movies .. | Oct 28 16:14 |
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| _Doug | like 'Donnie Darko' referencing 'The Philosophy of Time Travel' | Oct 28 16:16 |
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| _Doug | http://www.ruinedeye.com/cd/time1.htm | Oct 28 16:17 |
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| schestowitz | Why would anyone assemble such names? | Oct 28 16:21 |
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| schestowitz | It's like Kevin Bacon Numbers. | Oct 28 16:21 |
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| _Doug | Kevin Bacon Numbers ? | Oct 28 16:30 |
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| _Doug | how can people be so gullible .. | Oct 28 16:32 |
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| _Doug | http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/... | Oct 28 16:32 |
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| schestowitz | I'm away for a while.. g2g | Oct 28 16:36 |
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| _Doug | MS innovates Google Apps .. | Oct 28 17:05 |
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| _Doug | "Ever since Google Apps arrived on the scene, Microsoft has been dogged by the question of when it might release browser-based versions of its Office apps" | Oct 28 17:05 |
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| _Doug | http://www.infoworld.com/artic... | Oct 28 17:05 |
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| schestowitz | Did you see this? http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2008... | Oct 28 18:49 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft enoucraged some of these lawsuits against Google. And Microsoft's book search was shut down months ago. | Oct 28 18:50 |
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| PetoKraus | hehe, i was watching the 100$ laptop | Oct 28 18:50 |
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| PetoKraus | the HD video | Oct 28 18:50 |
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| PetoKraus | man, the guy doesn't know how to do stuff | Oct 28 18:50 |
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| schestowitz | There's a $98 laptop now. | Oct 28 18:50 |
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| PetoKraus | i wouldn't pay him a penny | Oct 28 18:50 |
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| PetoKraus | yeh, that's the one i am talking about | Oct 28 18:51 |
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| schestowitz | Oh | Oct 28 18:51 |
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| PetoKraus | actually, he played around with the $120 one | Oct 28 18:51 |
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| PetoKraus | the journalist, man, that was terrible | Oct 28 18:51 |
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| schestowitz | The $100 usually is synonymous with OLPC XO | Oct 28 18:51 |
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| schestowitz | Got a URL? | Oct 28 18:51 |
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| PetoKraus | it looked like it's the first time he saw linux | Oct 28 18:51 |
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| PetoKraus | it's quite big, but gimme sec | Oct 28 18:51 |
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| PetoKraus | http://techvideoblog.com/ifa/98-linux-la... | Oct 28 18:52 |
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| schestowitz | You know what's interesting? The US media shelved it away. it got no coverage. | Oct 28 18:54 |
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| schestowitz | So I ask myself if Wintel/patents are to blame. China envy, phobia... anyway it won't survive with heavy taxing if exported to the west. | Oct 28 18:54 |
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| jose | hey, schestowitz and everyone else.. http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/2008... | Oct 28 19:09 |
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| jose | "At issue is Windows Genuine Advantage, a tool Microsoft uses to assess, over the Internet, whether a PC has one of the pirated copies of Windows that flourish in developing countries. The tool was developed after Windows XP was released, but has since been added to updated copies of the operating system." | Oct 28 19:10 |
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| jose | >> "It's a crime," said Beijing lawyer Dong Zhengwei, who filed a complaint against Microsoft with the Public Security Ministry. The ministry hasn't responded. "The black-screen plan implies that Microsoft can hack all its users, not just the pirates," Dong said. "That's not fair." | Oct 28 19:11 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, jose | Oct 28 19:11 |
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| jose | hey | Oct 28 19:11 |
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| jose | the best way for microsoft to keep people from revolting is to avoid giving certain impressions.. like that they can control your pc however they wanted if they wanted | Oct 28 19:12 |
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| schestowitz | It's good, isn't it? | Oct 28 19:12 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft is advocating Free software now. | Oct 28 19:12 |
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| jose | ? | Oct 28 19:12 |
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| schestowitz | I wrote a couple of posts about it. | Oct 28 19:12 |
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| jose | what link are you talking about | Oct 28 19:12 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft is hungry for $$. | Oct 28 19:12 |
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| schestowitz | This was predictable. | Oct 28 19:12 |
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| schestowitz | I said about a year ago that Microsoft won't let profits be dropped without a fight... against its customers. | Oct 28 19:13 |
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| schestowitz | First came the force-feeding of Vista (despite demands to keep XP alive), not this.. | Oct 28 19:13 |
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| schestowitz | Links as in BN ones? | Oct 28 19:13 |
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| jose | i posted a link but it had nothing to do with ms advocating foss | Oct 28 19:14 |
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| PetoKraus | :D | Oct 28 19:16 |
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| schestowitz | I was being cynical. | Oct 28 19:16 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft flexes its muscles to show that Windows is not free. | Oct 28 19:17 |
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| PetoKraus | well, i don't care | Oct 28 19:17 |
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| PetoKraus | it used to be quite easy to disable WGA update | Oct 28 19:18 |
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| twitter | it seems that it was easier still for M$ to enable it. | Oct 28 19:18 |
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| jose | :) | Oct 28 19:19 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft makes Windows easier to obtain for free, assuming you won't buy it. | Oct 28 19:21 |
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| schestowitz | I could find the exact quote from Gates but it goes something like... "if they are going to steal, we want them to steal from us." That was circa 2006/7... | Oct 28 19:22 |
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| schestowitz | Published seconds ago is this item about the patents system being stolen by lawyers and monopolists: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10... | Oct 28 19:23 |
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