| schestowitz | More Microsoft cronyism... Jesper Lund Stocholm ... http://www.adjb.net/post/More-Stand... | Oct 28 19:44 |
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| twitter | Markets are up for some reason and so is M$ but they lag the broader markets, a whole percentage point behind Dow average. | Oct 28 19:50 |
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| twitter | up 8.7% wacky. | Oct 28 19:50 |
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| twitter | Novell up 13.6%, insane. http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:NOVL | Oct 28 19:51 |
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| schestowitz | 'Freedom' of Sp33ch...Home Office acts to kick out Iceland's hate preachers < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10... > | Oct 28 19:51 |
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| twitter | Novell's up is on light trading. | Oct 28 19:52 |
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| schestowitz | It'll probably fall later. It's based on no particular rejuvenation, isn't it? | Oct 28 19:53 |
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| twitter | less than 500,000 shares. Bill Gates wipes with less than that each morning. | Oct 28 19:53 |
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| schestowitz | Tell that to Iceland.. or Austria whose market fell like 60%. | Oct 28 19:53 |
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| schestowitz | Up 15% now (NOVL), but it sank yesterday. | Oct 28 19:54 |
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| twitter | Yeah, I know a couple of people in Iceland. They are in for some rough IMF times. | Oct 28 19:54 |
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| schestowitz | IT credit crunch comes home to roost < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/1... > | Oct 28 19:55 |
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| twitter | Still, $2.5 million is trivial money to people like Bill Gates and people with hundreds of millions to buy back stock and paint pictures. | Oct 28 19:55 |
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| schestowitz | Sad thing is, some people perceive all this as being anarchic, but it's not quite so; some people look away and don't want to understand a new reality. | Oct 28 19:55 |
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| schestowitz | This is merely the dawn of big changes to people's lifestyle. It's not a pass fad. This can last for over a decade and become the new status quo. And it's all due to greed and further divide between rich and poor (the rich hardly mind... they just lose luxury money in Wall Street and the poor people pay to keep corrupt banks alive) | Oct 28 19:57 |
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| twitter | " Since August 2005, 230 people have been excluded from entering the UK on suspicion of being a threat to national security or fostering extremism, including 79 preachers of hate." http://press.homeoffice.gov.uk/press-r... | Oct 28 20:00 |
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| twitter | "create a presumption in favour of exclusion in respect of all those who have engaged in fostering, encouraging or spreading extremism and hatred" blacklists. | Oct 28 20:01 |
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| schestowitz | "Just weeks after the UK government used the 2001 Anti-terrorism, Crime and Security Act to seize all of the IOUs in British branches of Icelandic banks, tough-talking Home Secretary Jacqui Smith has made it clear that Britain will no longer be a safe haven for terror preachers from Iceland. Or indeed from Norway or Liechtenstein." | Oct 28 20:01 |
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| schestowitz | Look how they expand the laws of "terrorism" to things like "protest" | Oct 28 20:02 |
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| twitter | "preacher of hate" can mean anything. Thoughtcrime. | Oct 28 20:02 |
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| schestowitz | The UK ruined Iceland (allegedly) and if they dare to protest, they are labeled terrorists. AMAZING! (although I don't know the finer details) | Oct 28 20:02 |
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| schestowitz | There's some regular commenter in BN, "Josh Bell", who seems to know Novell a little too intimately. He doesn't seem to work for them, though. | Oct 28 20:04 |
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| schestowitz | Once again this "Yardena Arar" figure (never seen before) is tossing a Windows ad/article into IDG: http://www.pcworld.com/article/152895... This is suspicious. Smells like a placement... | Oct 28 20:10 |
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| twitter | I'm thick. Don't see what MJF sees as a "credit crunch" | Oct 28 20:10 |
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| schestowitz | Or "recession" | Oct 28 20:11 |
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| schestowitz | They never use the D word. | Oct 28 20:11 |
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| MinceR | Doom! | Oct 28 20:11 |
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| schestowitz | Slowdown... | Oct 28 20:11 |
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| schestowitz | Deflation... no... | Oct 28 20:12 |
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| twitter | I understand the bit about people not buying, just don't understand the IBM focus. | Oct 28 20:12 |
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| twitter | and I don't see anything weird about the IBM numbers. | Oct 28 20:12 |
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| schestowitz | Credit crunch *LOL* Here is the Uk they consider zeroing the interest rates while raising price of everything. So you are taxed in the sense that you lose money without doing anything. Savings too might erode. | Oct 28 20:13 |
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| schestowitz | IBM has heavy buybacks going, just like MSFT, NOVL, and RHT | Oct 28 20:13 |
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| schestowitz | ORCL too | Oct 28 20:13 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft: "look at out stock. We're not falling (but don't look at our bank account and pending loans)" | Oct 28 20:14 |
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| twitter | fiat currency is a tax, ask 1960's Greenspan. | Oct 28 20:15 |
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| schestowitz | Stock market = legal casino. Too many rules can be (and are) bent. I've never realise what sense the loopholes made. Buybcks, buying short, pump and dump using SPAM, etc. | Oct 28 20:15 |
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| schestowitz | It's all exploding now. | Oct 28 20:16 |
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| schestowitz | *selling short | Oct 28 20:16 |
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| schestowitz | Hey Politicians! Stop wasting my money < http://www.itwire.com/content/... > | Oct 28 20:19 |
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| twitter | Good grief, Slashdot has rolled out the M$ Red Carpet today. | Oct 28 20:25 |
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| schestowitz | Get your free copy of CrossOver (available only TODAY): http://down.codeweavers.com/ | Oct 28 20:25 |
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| schestowitz | The site is down because loads of people grab a copy. | Oct 28 20:25 |
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| MinceR | :) | Oct 28 20:25 |
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| *MinceR grabbed his already | Oct 28 20:25 |
| schestowitz | twitter: why wouldn't Slashdot. Lots of new products from its sponsor, Microsoft (PDC). | Oct 28 20:26 |
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| twitter | They have advertised, favorably, three chunks of vaporware. http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/10... http://tech.slashdot.org/article... http://it.slashdot.org/articl... | Oct 28 20:27 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* http://beranger.org/index.php?page=... (also a funny remark at the end) | Oct 28 20:27 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: I don't want to see. | Oct 28 20:28 |
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| trmanco | just updated my kernel | Oct 28 20:28 |
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| trmanco | flawlessly | Oct 28 20:28 |
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| schestowitz | I found Slashdot too /ANNOYING/. to read, so I dropped it. Why get upset when there are better things to read? :-) | Oct 28 20:28 |
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| MinceR | what's your replacement for /.? | Oct 28 20:28 |
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| PetoKraus | trmanco: same here | Oct 28 20:29 |
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| trmanco | :-) | Oct 28 20:29 |
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| PetoKraus | got rid of that CFQ scheduler | Oct 28 20:29 |
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| trmanco | PetoKraus, what distro? | Oct 28 20:29 |
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| PetoKraus | and maybe it's placebo, but it works better | Oct 28 20:29 |
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| PetoKraus | gentoo | Oct 28 20:29 |
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| trmanco | cool | Oct 28 20:29 |
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| MinceR | i've updated mine yesterday | Oct 28 20:29 |
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| PetoKraus | you know --omg-optimize and --funroll-funloops are amazing compilation flags, yielding you those o.0004% of overall snappineess i need | Oct 28 20:30 |
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| MinceR | though i've only compiled the patched kernel module for my usb link cable today | Oct 28 20:30 |
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| PetoKraus | :P | Oct 28 20:30 |
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| MinceR | don't forget --vomit-frame-counter | Oct 28 20:30 |
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| PetoKraus | :) actually, that's the one i actually use | Oct 28 20:30 |
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| PetoKraus | did i actually say two times actually? | Oct 28 20:30 |
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| schestowitz | Why does Henry Kingman keep sucking up to XAML and .NET? http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/... | Oct 28 20:33 |
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| schestowitz | He did the interview with Novell&Miguel | Oct 28 20:34 |
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| trmanco | http://mail.fsfeurope.org/piperm... | Oct 28 20:34 |
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| trmanco | "Finally I did it. | Oct 28 20:34 |
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| trmanco | I decided to point to an higher goal asking Dell to produce a free | Oct 28 20:34 |
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| trmanco | software laptop. | Oct 28 20:34 |
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| trmanco | " | Oct 28 20:34 |
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| MinceR | well, he can ask | Oct 28 20:35 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe there's a chance, but hardware is a challenge. | Oct 28 20:35 |
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| schestowitz | LAC Now Shipping gNewSense 2.0 Systems (1 May 2008) : http://laclinux.com/gnu/News#20080501.1 | Oct 28 20:36 |
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| _Doug | SCO intercompany payables == 1,178,377 | Oct 28 20:36 |
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| _Doug | http://www.groklaw.net/article... | Oct 28 20:36 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft pushed for this: http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2008... | Oct 28 20:37 |
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| trmanco | http://www.xfce.org/documentation/changelogs/4.4.3 | Oct 28 20:38 |
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| twitter | If Dell cant's move hardware makers to software freedom, who can? | Oct 28 20:38 |
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| MinceR | system76? | Oct 28 20:38 |
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| schestowitz | Good post from GL | Oct 28 20:39 |
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| twitter | As the $100 GNU/Linux laptops roll out of China, Dell will play ball or go under. | Oct 28 20:39 |
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| MinceR | either option would be acceptable | Oct 28 20:40 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: XFce is a maintenance release in this case. | Oct 28 20:41 |
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| trmanco | yes | Oct 28 20:41 |
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| trmanco | but it is a sort of *new* release | Oct 28 20:42 |
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| schestowitz | Vista 7 will sink some more shops. | Oct 28 20:42 |
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| trmanco | always worth mentioning :-) | Oct 28 20:42 |
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| twitter | What, channel stuffing again? | Oct 28 20:42 |
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| twitter | What's funny about the GL story is how little money SCO has left. It's like watching people in the dorms looking under sofas for laundry money. | Oct 28 20:44 |
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| schestowitz | ow it's confirmed. Linux on all Lenovo laptops? http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=new... | Oct 28 20:44 |
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| twitter | cool | Oct 28 20:44 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft is trying to match this only with promises.. or fast boot. it said that Vista successor would have this... lied, as usua | Oct 28 20:44 |
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| schestowitz | Dell already uses SplashTop. | Oct 28 20:44 |
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| twitter | if they would only fix the keyboards by getting rid of those obnoxious windows keys | Oct 28 20:45 |
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| schestowitz | Several months ago Phoronix suggested, based on rumours, that H-P goes down this route as well | Oct 28 20:45 |
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| MinceR | dell also pays the patent racket, don't they? | Oct 28 20:45 |
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| schestowitz | Yes. | Oct 28 20:45 |
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| twitter | It's the usual slog. When the competition is obviously better, talk about they next version. | Oct 28 20:45 |
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| MinceR | so it isn't really such a good example -- or a forerunner of free software-based computers. | Oct 28 20:45 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: SUPER key? They just need to change the logo to something generic | Oct 28 20:45 |
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| schestowitz | The context menu key is OK because it's no vendor logo/sign. | Oct 28 20:46 |
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| twitter | I hate those keys. too many keys on the bottom row makes it easier to miss the one you are looking for. | Oct 28 20:46 |
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| MinceR | i like them | Oct 28 20:46 |
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| MinceR | the super key is useful for global hotkeys | Oct 28 20:46 |
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| MinceR | no app expects to be able to use it | Oct 28 20:47 |
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| schestowitz | My keyboard has multimedia keys. Mandriva picked them out... out of the box. special s/w needs to be installed to enable this in WIndows (not that I tried). | Oct 28 20:47 |
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| twitter | I use ctrl and alt keys a lot, missing them would drive me nuts | Oct 28 20:47 |
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| MinceR | my keyboard has multimedia keys but my kvm switch drops them :/ | Oct 28 20:47 |
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| schestowitz | The name "super" is bad. These keys should be named something like "shame". Calling Window SUPER won't help.. | Oct 28 20:48 |
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| schestowitz | *Windows | Oct 28 20:48 |
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| MinceR | lol | Oct 28 20:48 |
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| MinceR | afaik it's from the pre-windows times actually | Oct 28 20:48 |
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| MinceR | like meta | Oct 28 20:48 |
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| schestowitz | Yes. | Oct 28 20:48 |
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| MinceR | so it isn't really a comment on windows | Oct 28 20:49 |
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| twitter | I'm super, thanks for asking, all things considered, I must say ... I love that movie. | Oct 28 20:49 |
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| twitter | The menu keys and windows keys get in the way. | Oct 28 20:49 |
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| MinceR | the south park movie? | Oct 28 20:49 |
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| twitter | yes | Oct 28 20:50 |
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| twitter | it was funny | Oct 28 20:50 |
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| MinceR | i love it too | Oct 28 20:50 |
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| schestowitz | http://podcasts.linux-foundation.org/... | Oct 28 20:51 |
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| twitter | I'm going outside. Keep an eye on the soft and novell. | Oct 28 20:51 |
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| schestowitz | 180MB | Oct 28 20:51 |
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| schestowitz | LF and Ogg. I was like, you know, WTF? LF and Ogg? | Oct 28 20:51 |
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| *MinceR keeps an eye on the big soft, its current right hand and the little soft. | Oct 28 20:52 |
| MinceR | (well, perhaps "right hand" isn't correct -- not many people cut theirs off regularly...) | Oct 28 20:52 |
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| jose | later | Oct 28 20:53 |
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| MinceR | s/soft/'soft/g | Oct 28 20:53 |
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| _Doug | 'Latitude ON uses "a dedicated low-voltage sub-processor and OS that can enable multi-day battery life" for the Windows Vista notebooks' | Oct 28 21:03 |
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| _Doug | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2560585344.html | Oct 28 21:03 |
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| MinceR | ARM? | Oct 28 21:03 |
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| MinceR | (and linux, i presume) | Oct 28 21:03 |
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| _Doug | why not dispense with Vista, altogether .. | Oct 28 21:04 |
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| _Doug | "Dell will equip a new crop of enterprise notebooks with little embedded Linux systems" | Oct 28 21:04 |
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| schestowitz | One step at a time. | Oct 28 21:04 |
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| _Doug | Linux helps quick start Vista .. | Oct 28 21:05 |
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| _Doug | corect headline ? | Oct 28 21:05 |
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| schestowitz | No. | Oct 28 21:07 |
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| schestowitz | Linux starts quickly while slow Vista loads 700MB of garbage onto RAM. | Oct 28 21:08 |
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| _Doug | http://www.geek.com/articles/news/microsof... | Oct 28 21:09 |
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| _Doug | 'We would like your feedback on a new concept .. Fast computer boots aren’t a new concept and some systems are already in development or exist. Examples include SplashTop, Phoenix HyperSpace, and Dell’s Latitude ON' | Oct 28 21:09 |
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| schestowitz | Latitude ON= MontaVista thing. | Oct 28 21:11 |
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| schestowitz | Phoenix reported Microsoft (antitrust) for trying to use the EULA pretty much illegally. Microsoft still plays like a 800lb gorilla... but it's impotent. | Oct 28 21:11 |
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| _Doug | what about recovering from hybernate ? | Oct 28 21:11 |
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| schestowitz | I thought about that too. I don't know | Oct 28 21:13 |
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| _Doug | Linux boots in 0.69 seconds .. | Oct 28 21:13 |
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| _Doug | http://linuxdevices.com/news/... | Oct 28 21:13 |
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| _Doug | 'the initialization process is then completed in the background in under two seconds.' | Oct 28 21:14 |
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| schestowitz | Maureen O'Gara is attacking the Linux Foundation, sort of. | Oct 28 21:15 |
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| schestowitz | I alerted about this... it's like the OSDL thing. | Oct 28 21:15 |
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| schestowitz | Embrace and extend... http://www.linux-magazine.com/online/new... ( Microsoft Works on PHP and Open Source ) | Oct 28 21:28 |
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| PetoKraus | MinceR: who knows. | Oct 28 21:41 |
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| MinceR | apparently not even sourceforge, inc. cares about web standards anymore | Oct 28 21:41 |
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| MinceR | hm, maybe schestowitz knows | Oct 28 21:41 |
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| MinceR | 224446 < MinceR> is there a browser where /.'s tagging system actually works? | Oct 28 21:41 |
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| MinceR | 224454 < MinceR> including the supposed menu | Oct 28 21:41 |
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| MinceR | (damn netsplits) | Oct 28 21:41 |
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| schestowitz | Didn't anyone else get cut off from FreeNode? | Oct 28 21:42 |
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| PetoKraus | you only. wrong time, wrong server | Oct 28 21:42 |
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| PetoKraus | you should see #gentoo | Oct 28 21:42 |
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| PetoKraus | at about 300 discs | Oct 28 21:42 |
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| schestowitz | :-) | Oct 28 21:42 |
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| MinceR | /.'s tag autocompletion should also die in hell | Oct 28 21:42 |
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| PetoKraus | /. should also die in hell | Oct 28 21:42 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: SF adopted Drupal. | Oct 28 21:42 |
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| PetoKraus | there, fixed. | Oct 28 21:42 |
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| MinceR | even if i type the word fully it just goes its own way and inserts something it wants instead | Oct 28 21:42 |
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| schestowitz | I found out earlier today. | Oct 28 21:42 |
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| MinceR | PetoKraus: replacement? | Oct 28 21:42 |
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| schestowitz | At least for blog anyway. | Oct 28 21:43 |
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| schestowitz | *blogs | Oct 28 21:43 |
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| MinceR | kuro5hin isn't funny enough | Oct 28 21:43 |
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| MinceR | digg is full of apple fagboys | Oct 28 21:43 |
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| PetoKraus | MinceR: yeah. though i only read the summaries mostly | Oct 28 21:43 |
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| MinceR | the /. hater sites are devoid of content | Oct 28 21:43 |
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| PetoKraus | thanks to liferea | Oct 28 21:43 |
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| schestowitz | Just in case: | Oct 28 21:43 |
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| schestowitz | <schestowitz> Maureen O'Gara is attacking the Linux Foundation, sort of. | Oct 28 21:43 |
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| schestowitz | <schestowitz> I alerted about this... it's like the OSDL thing. | Oct 28 21:43 |
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| schestowitz | <schestowitz> Embrace and extend... http://www.linux-magazine.com/onl... ( Microsoft Works on PHP and Open Source ) | Oct 28 21:43 |
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| MinceR | php is crap enough without m$ meddling with it | Oct 28 21:43 |
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| schestowitz | Groklaw News Picks are good. | Oct 28 21:44 |
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| schestowitz | Better than /. It has some dull legal stuff though. | Oct 28 21:44 |
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| MinceR | groklaw only covers a limited amount of topics though | Oct 28 21:44 |
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| _Doug | 'Intellectual Ventures: A massive patent pyramid scheme?' | Oct 28 21:44 |
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| _Doug | http://news.cnet.com/8301-1350... | Oct 28 21:44 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I've sent proposals since 2006. It's still a good signal/noise ratio... | Oct 28 21:45 |
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| schestowitz | _Doug: old one, IIRC | Oct 28 21:45 |
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| schestowitz | (without looking) | Oct 28 21:45 |
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| jose | just popped in for this http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20081028/... | Oct 28 21:48 |
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| schestowitz | _Doug: let me find something. | Oct 28 21:48 |
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| schestowitz | Google has a new option for deep linking. | Oct 28 21:48 |
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| schestowitz | jose: yes, big news. Blech. | Oct 28 21:48 |
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| _Doug | 'Date set for internet 'obscene' publications trial .. Track this topic Print story Man in court over 'Girls Aloud' story' | Oct 28 21:49 |
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| _Doug | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/... | Oct 28 21:49 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.ip-watch.org/weblog/index... "The calibration effort goes beyond what TRIPS was thought to be about - namely, standardising IP, Gervais said. Developing nations now say they want national policies to close the gap between IP law and innovation. The challenge is not to implement TRIPS mechanically in order to stay out of trouble but as part of a national innovation strategy." | Oct 28 21:50 |
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| _Doug | 'innovation strategy' typing up piles of legalize and then waiting for someone to actually build the thing .. | Oct 28 21:52 |
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| schestowitz | Nathan Myhrvold goes mad: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9G8gQ5uh6jY#t=2m15s | Oct 28 21:53 |
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| _Doug | of course none of this 'innovation strategy' is designed to encourage innovation, is designed to create lock-in by the incumbents .. | Oct 28 21:57 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, but they beatify it to themselves (the trolls) | Oct 28 21:58 |
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| _Doug | 'invest in invention' | Oct 28 21:58 |
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| _Doug | where do the ideas come from ? | Oct 28 21:58 |
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| schestowitz | Bill Gates is also a troll at heart... his and Nathan are both into this thing. | Oct 28 21:58 |
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| schestowitz | Ideas are an aggregation of other people's ideas. | Oct 28 21:58 |
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| schestowitz | You take things you learn, put them in series and expand upon them. | Oct 28 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | "Standing on the shoulders of giants" | Oct 28 21:59 |
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| _Doug | 'pre seed pre-venture capitol' | Oct 28 21:59 |
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| _Doug | 'we file 400 patents a year' | Oct 28 22:00 |
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| PetoKraus | http://teddziuba.com/2008/09/a-... | Oct 28 22:00 |
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| _Doug | how is filing patents innovative ? | Oct 28 22:00 |
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| PetoKraus | in INNOVA~1 sense of the word. | Oct 28 22:00 |
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| schestowitz | _Doug: it's a known problem. | Oct 28 22:01 |
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| schestowitz | If the system sobers up a bit (it's still in a freefall), then trolling will get worse and people will demand change. | Oct 28 22:02 |
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| _Doug | 'advice for entrepunuers' | Oct 28 22:02 |
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| _Doug | 'if you really knew all the things then you know now it would be tough to do go do it..' | Oct 28 22:04 |
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| _Doug | translation: if IV was around at the beginning of the PC revolution, it would have been killed at birth .. | Oct 28 22:04 |
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| _Doug | it = the WinTELL.IBM PC | Oct 28 22:05 |
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| _Doug | cause the truely realize that real competition would leave then dead in the water .. | Oct 28 22:05 |
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| schestowitz | Yes. | Oct 28 22:05 |
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| schestowitz | But Microsoft only wanted patents when it needed walls. | Oct 28 22:06 |
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| schestowitz | Not when it needed to break them down (IBM et al) | Oct 28 22:06 |
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| schestowitz | Remember that memo from 2991 | Oct 28 22:06 |
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| schestowitz | *1191 | Oct 28 22:06 |
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| schestowitz | Blech. 1991 | Oct 28 22:06 |
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| _Doug | exactly, patents are to protect the iuncumbents from competition | Oct 28 22:06 |
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| schestowitz | That's what a patent is. | Oct 28 22:06 |
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| _Doug | incumbents | Oct 28 22:06 |
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| schestowitz | Copyrights are to protect a producer in other ways. | Oct 28 22:06 |
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| schestowitz | Patents are insane because they pertain to knowledge or thought. | Oct 28 22:07 |
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| _Doug | innovation and patents don't go in the same sentence. | Oct 28 22:07 |
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| schestowitz | To infringe copyrights you must MEMORISE things. | Oct 28 22:07 |
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| _Doug | in fact there is no motivation to 'invent' anything until your patent runs out. | Oct 28 22:07 |
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| schestowitz | I can recognise a face, but that does not mean I can render it with pen and paper based on memory. | Oct 28 22:07 |
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| schestowitz | Do you have MYHRVOL~1's E-mail? | Oct 28 22:08 |
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| _Doug | haa .. | Oct 28 22:08 |
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| schestowitz | Open letter: "sod off, let developers work" | Oct 28 22:08 |
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| schestowitz | Does he even program? | Oct 28 22:08 |
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| schestowitz | I don't think he develops anything. | Oct 28 22:08 |
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| schestowitz | Math/physics chap, IIRC. | Oct 28 22:08 |
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| schestowitz | Their job in the theoretical side is a pen&paper thing, toexaggerate a bit | Oct 28 22:09 |
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| _Doug | in fact if the current patent regime was in place a decade ago .. none of the current 'innovators' would be in business .. | Oct 28 22:09 |
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| schestowitz | It's natural for some such people never to consider implementors. | Oct 28 22:09 |
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| schestowitz | Some say we need deregulation | Oct 28 22:09 |
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| schestowitz | Other say we need to decommission competition, using patents. | Oct 28 22:10 |
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| _Doug | gtg .. | Oct 28 22:10 |
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| *_Doug has quit () | Oct 28 22:10 |
| jose | see what you did? | Oct 28 22:11 |
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| jose | i too have puked all over the keyboard and will leave soon | Oct 28 22:11 |
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| jose | seeing ballmer sweat is preferable to seeing that other guy sell poison so smoothly | Oct 28 22:11 |
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| schestowitz | Me? :-) | Oct 28 22:11 |
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| schestowitz | Myhrvold? | Oct 28 22:11 |
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| schestowitz | Mr.void? | Oct 28 22:12 |
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| jose | giant slayer | Oct 28 22:12 |
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| jose | mr. void.. i like that | Oct 28 22:12 |
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| schestowitz | Nothing to sell | Oct 28 22:12 |
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| schestowitz | Just imaginary property and threats | Oct 28 22:12 |
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| jose | stand on shoulders of giants and then squash them | Oct 28 22:12 |
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| schestowitz | He actually threatened Cisco and Verizon, IIRC, for hundreds of millions in ransom | Oct 28 22:12 |
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| jose | whatever happened to good old competition | Oct 28 22:13 |
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| schestowitz | jose: Ask Bill and SteveB | Oct 28 22:13 |
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| jose | foss has to win over minds and hearts.. to attack patents. | Oct 28 22:13 |
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| schestowitz | Ballmer insists he doesn't know what monopoly means/ | Oct 28 22:13 |
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| schestowitz | But he calls Google a monopoly | Oct 28 22:13 |
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| schestowitz | jose: not many FOSS sites cover swpatents. | Oct 28 22:13 |
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| schestowitz | That's where BN is quite unique. There's a lot going on in terms of laws being ignored/changed to harm FOSS> | Oct 28 22:14 |
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| jose | i'm going to go soon | Oct 28 22:14 |
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| schestowitz | Well, I can't stop you. :-) | Oct 28 22:14 |
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| jose | you tempt, but i have to hold my ground | Oct 28 22:14 |
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| schestowitz | Alex Hudson enter idle mode | Oct 28 22:15 |
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| schestowitz | So you needn't confront him in the comments. | Oct 28 22:15 |
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| schestowitz | *entered | Oct 28 22:15 |
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| jose | that wasn't fun | Oct 28 22:15 |
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| schestowitz | No, very cyclic | Oct 28 22:15 |
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| schestowitz | But you made excellent point. | Oct 28 22:15 |
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| schestowitz | But you made excellent points | Oct 28 22:15 |
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| schestowitz | Most readers never comment. | Oct 28 22:16 |
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| schestowitz | 1 comment per 1000 pageviews, or something like that.. | Oct 28 22:16 |
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| jose | this patent business makes me puke | Oct 28 22:16 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Oct 28 22:17 |
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| schestowitz | Who let this monster in??? | Oct 28 22:17 |
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| jose | it's so unjust.. the positive today is that swpats aren't enforced against foss really | Oct 28 22:17 |
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| schestowitz | You think that making better software means winning, no? | Oct 28 22:17 |
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| schestowitz | Then comes Microsoft, trying to use bundling to beat a much better VMware (like Netscape). | Oct 28 22:17 |
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| jose | but it creates issues and tensions and obstacles to business | Oct 28 22:17 |
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| schestowitz | Same with Real Networks, but that's older news. | Oct 28 22:17 |
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| schestowitz | And now there's this 'patent cloud' hanging since May 2007. Microsoft inssists that Red Hat customer owe them money. | Oct 28 22:18 |
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| schestowitz | Nice, eh? | Oct 28 22:18 |
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| schestowitz | Buy Red Hat, be afraid. SCO 2.0. | Oct 28 22:18 |
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| schestowitz | jose: they are actually enforced. See Firestar and NetApp (versus ZFS) | Oct 28 22:19 |
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| schestowitz | Also Acacia | Oct 28 22:19 |
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| jose | yes, a bit.. | Oct 28 22:19 |
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| jose | in fact, i meant that the free stuff is still downloadable but that's not good enough | Oct 28 22:19 |
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| jose | and work is under way always to stop that free stuff | Oct 28 22:19 |
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| schestowitz | Same with music. | Oct 28 22:20 |
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| schestowitz | There are many parallel to be drawn and lessons to be learned. | Oct 28 22:20 |
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| jose | business is really important. controlling the money stream (even while the "hobbyists" play) is what ms is after | Oct 28 22:20 |
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| schestowitz | RMS and Lessig have a lot in common and they actually reciprocally congratulate one another. Though the FSF has some beef with CC... | Oct 28 22:21 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, let me get a new ref | Oct 28 22:21 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.linux-magazine.com/online/news/m... | Oct 28 22:21 |
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| schestowitz | I could add to this some new videos from YouTube. Some EU-based Microsoft guy on stealing the FOSS show, putting in on Windows. | Oct 28 22:21 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft can spend $$ to woo developers and have them concede their values.... Windows Server....... open.... open to access...... open developers-'friendly'... just.. open! | Oct 28 22:22 |
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| schestowitz | There's a whole 'magic' show with cartoons and 'heroes'... http://www.microsoft.com/opensou... | Oct 28 22:23 |
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| jose | i hope the foss community sees what is going on.. some do some don't | Oct 28 22:23 |
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| schestowitz | Any type of marketing BS to ruin the foundation of FOSS (Free platform) and shove in some 'rat holes' | Oct 28 22:24 |
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| schestowitz | I showed the 452 Group those 'rat holes' memos. The response was interesting. | Oct 28 22:24 |
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| jose | roy, let me go. i need to finish something asap (today, this week, ..??), and then i want to get moving on some foss projects | Oct 28 22:24 |
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| schestowitz | OK | Oct 28 22:25 |
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| jose | i'll listen a bit, but i'm trying to keep quiet | Oct 28 22:25 |
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| jose | what was the response? | Oct 28 22:25 |
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| jose | sorry, but i got curious | Oct 28 22:25 |
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| jose | ok, never mind.. i'll eventually find out | Oct 28 22:26 |
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| GoblinRFD | Hello all. | Oct 28 22:28 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, GoblinRFD | Oct 28 22:28 |
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| GoblinRFD | Great series of articles over the last few days! | Oct 28 22:28 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks. I didn't realise it. | Oct 28 22:29 |
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| schestowitz | The site get enough attention for posts to be worthwhile, so... | Oct 28 22:29 |
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| schestowitz | *gets | Oct 28 22:29 |
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| GoblinRFD | I think you need to make a montage of Steve Ballmer, hes quite a........something.. | Oct 28 22:29 |
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| GoblinRFD | my personal favourite: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wvsboPUjrGc | Oct 28 22:30 |
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| schestowitz | There are some montages out there. | Oct 28 22:31 |
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| schestowitz | We've aired a few, but I need to make oggs. | Oct 28 22:31 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com... | Oct 28 22:32 |
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| GoblinRFD | In your opinion, do you think the EU (and anti-monopoly commission) will stand for these patient actions, in and when MS invokes them? | Oct 28 22:32 |
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| schestowitz | He tries to disguise his craziness by joking about it. | Oct 28 22:33 |
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| schestowitz | Last week in Brazil he did the DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS thing again. | Oct 28 22:33 |
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| schestowitz | And about 6 months ago in Mix 2008 (IIRC) he did WEB DEVELOPERS WEB DEVELOPERS Web DEVELOPERS... | Oct 28 22:33 |
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| jose | generally.. we have to get as many people to appreciate the things we appreciate. | Oct 28 22:34 |
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| schestowitz | All intended to make it 'feel' like monkey dance and all was just humour and intended. | Oct 28 22:34 |
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| jose | numbers make thins easier on everyone | Oct 28 22:34 |
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| schestowitz | The Brazilian TV aired the monkey dance videos, which was funny. | Oct 28 22:34 |
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| jose | to appreciate, you sort of have to walk in shoes | Oct 28 22:34 |
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| GoblinRFD | I personally dont think they have a hope in hell of bringing their patient threats to bear in the UK.... BTW that clip you gave is classic! | Oct 28 22:35 |
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| schestowitz | jose: instill morale in devs' minds. | Oct 28 22:35 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft does a lot to demoralise with lies. | Oct 28 22:35 |
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| MinceR | those devs have minds? | Oct 28 22:35 |
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| jose | i assume people are lazy | Oct 28 22:35 |
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| schestowitz | Like "Linux is at less than 1%" | Oct 28 22:35 |
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| schestowitz | Not true | Oct 28 22:35 |
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| schestowitz | ballmer said Linux had 60% in servers (Microsoft has intelligence to do that) | Oct 28 22:35 |
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| jose | yes, the free thing will happen naturally if they see real value in it | Oct 28 22:35 |
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| jose | to see value you have to experience | Oct 28 22:35 |
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| GoblinRFD | agreed. | Oct 28 22:36 |
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| schestowitz | IDC says 13%, but it's using Microsoft's def (whitebox preinstalls). it's all just intended to deceive and be repeated (Big Lie). | Oct 28 22:36 |
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| schestowitz | Some develoepers get wiser than that. | Oct 28 22:36 |
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| jose | we need a better framework and tools to cater to jack/jill user | Oct 28 22:36 |
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| schestowitz | They port applications to GNU/Linux because they see for themselves the demand for it. | Oct 28 22:36 |
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| jose | we need to work consciously to reach out to users with skill X and Y and Z | Oct 28 22:36 |
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| jose | where these aren't "sw development" | Oct 28 22:37 |
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| schestowitz | Netbooks... Gold Microsoft Partner says 4 times more are returned if running GNU/Linux... false... ASUS debunks it. | Oct 28 22:37 |
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| schestowitz | Germany press says 40% of them run Linux | Oct 28 22:37 |
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| GoblinRFD | Yeah, I read that. I still cant believe in this day and age people think MS has any insight in the future whatsoever. Let us not forget their insistance on backing the HDdvd format over blueray. We all know how that turned out. | Oct 28 22:38 |
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| schestowitz | They make nice silos | Oct 28 22:40 |
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| schestowitz | Did you see those GIFs they produce to represent a roadmaps? | Oct 28 22:40 |
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| schestowitz | Marketing. | Oct 28 22:40 |
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| schestowitz | Nice pictures, vapourware, illusion of plan and order. | Oct 28 22:40 |
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| schestowitz | It's all the silos, GoblinRFD. yes. the silos! Shiny!!11 | Oct 28 22:41 |
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| GoblinRFD | I hope Ive managed to create a new phrase (I havent read it anywhere else) ---- MS has its head where Azure is, in the clouds. | Oct 28 22:41 |
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| GoblinRFD | Im going to patent that. | Oct 28 22:41 |
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| schestowitz | MSBBC ads-ticle: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/tec... | Oct 28 22:42 |
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| schestowitz | Poetic patents are possible in the US, I think. | Oct 28 22:42 |
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| schestowitz | It's still controversial. | Oct 28 22:42 |
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| jose | this kbd is sticky with chunks | Oct 28 22:44 |
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| GoblinRFD | I dont care if its controversial, Ill just do what MS does and threaten people regardless. | Oct 28 22:46 |
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| schestowitz | What with? | Oct 28 22:46 |
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| schestowitz | Oh. | Oct 28 22:46 |
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| schestowitz | The analogy. | Oct 28 22:46 |
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| schestowitz | Or catch phrase rather. | Oct 28 22:46 |
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| GoblinRFD | sorry, its Linux's fault. Unlike Windows Im able to do more than one thing at a time, I was distracted by a game on Poker-TH | Oct 28 22:47 |
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| GoblinRFD | thats the reason for the delay. | Oct 28 22:47 |
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| schestowitz | Whines... "And if a lowly journalist is facing these attacks, you can be sure that they are becoming more common everywhere." < http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3781026/I... > | Oct 28 22:49 |
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| schestowitz | Context to this: http://www.itwire.com/content/vie... | Oct 28 22:49 |
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| GoblinRFD | Yeah, those attacks are the reason why I decided to come to this IRC room and chat. I think users are more savvy now then MS gives them credit for. | Oct 28 22:53 |
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| GoblinRFD | I am of the attitude that if MS-agents are trying to put down your point of view, you must be in the right. | Oct 28 22:53 |
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| GoblinRFD | Our local computer group, removed openSUSE after Novell became assimilated by the Borg (MS) | Oct 28 22:54 |
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| GoblinRFD | bbl - Dead Set is on. A five part UK made horror flick about big brother contestants, who whilst on the show are unaware that the world is being overrun by zombies! Great stuff! | Oct 28 22:55 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I saw some SUSE-owned LUGs the other day. | Oct 28 22:58 |
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| schestowitz | Novell pays them with gifts, I think. Watch this one: LUG has SUSE, Novell and Ken Starks, right (watch picture)? http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2008/1... | Oct 28 23:02 |
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| schestowitz | Now watch the link on the side to BoycottNovell (no, I didn't ask for it or anything). It even says in ALL CAPS "Truth is NOT relative - Boycott Novell" | Oct 28 23:03 |
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| schestowitz | Novell also sponsored a recent KDE conference in Europe, IIRC. They put Geeko and OpenSUSE logos all over the place. :-( | Oct 28 23:03 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/10/28/i... ( Internet firms tackle human rights ) | Oct 28 23:06 |
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| schestowitz | True: Internet Companies Pay Lip Service To Human Rights < http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/10/28/i... > | Oct 28 23:13 |
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| jose | schestowitz, i went to your website.. i'm going to send you an email soon | Oct 28 23:24 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks. | Oct 28 23:25 |
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| schestowitz | s @ | Oct 28 23:25 |
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| jose | what is the name of the main group that defends against patent attacks on FOSS (3 letter acronym) | Oct 28 23:54 |
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| jose | i forget | Oct 28 23:54 |
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| schestowitz | OIN | Oct 28 23:54 |
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| schestowitz | It's not effective, | Oct 28 23:54 |
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| schestowitz | FFII is better. | Oct 28 23:54 |
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| jose | thanks.. just wanted the name | Oct 28 23:55 |
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| jose | just sent you the email | Oct 28 23:59 |
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| schestowitz | ACK | Oct 28 23:59 |
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