IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: January 13th, 2009 - Part 1

Dr. Roy Schestowitz

2009-01-14 11:17:52 UTC
Modified: 2009-01-14 11:17:52 UTC

schestowitz	BN spews dome errors now	Jan 13 00:06
schestowitz	BN is down	Jan 13 00:13
schestowitz	Soooooo slow........... it's doing like 5,000 pages/hour, I think (can't check Coral). It's turtle speed now... one single Red Hat server.	Jan 13 00:16
schestowitz	IDG is citing/quoting the 'analyst' that said Android and Symbian would join (of course they didn't!): http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?...	Jan 13 00:24
schestowitz	Still hardly there...	Jan 13 01:10
schestowitz	Ã¢ââÃ¢ââ¬(01:09 $)Ã¢ââ¬> ping boycottnovell.com	Jan 13 01:10
schestowitz	PING boycottnovell.com (72.29.75.151) 56(84) bytes of data.	Jan 13 01:10
schestowitz	64 bytes from pass3.dizinc.com (72.29.75.151): icmp_seq=22 ttl=47 time=104 ms	Jan 13 01:10
schestowitz	64 bytes from pass3.dizinc.com (72.29.75.151): icmp_seq=23 ttl=47 time=104 ms	Jan 13 01:10
schestowitz	64 bytes from pass3.dizinc.com (72.29.75.151): icmp_seq=24 ttl=47 time=104 ms	Jan 13 01:10
schestowitz	China acts to curb antibiotics abuse < http://shanghaiist.com/2009/01/13/ch... >	Jan 13 01:11
schestowitz	From Yahoo! to Google: Delicious Founder Joshua Schachter Joins Google http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/01/12/confirme...	Jan 13 01:12
tessier_	BN was just cited on my LUG mailing list. http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/04/micr...	Jan 13 01:46
tessier_	First time I've seen anyone from my LUG paying attention to BN	Jan 13 01:46
schestowitz	Cool, thanks!	Jan 13 01:46
schestowitz	We lost many visits	Jan 13 01:46
schestowitz	I put it on Coral, but it was too much.	Jan 13 01:47
schestowitz	But I did the best I could, so no regrets are necessary	Jan 13 01:47
tessier_	Lost many visits? How?	Jan 13 01:50
schestowitz	No response to their pings	Jan 13 01:53
schestowitz	We were up and down, unresponsive much of the time	Jan 13 01:53
schestowitz	It's beginning to stablise now, I think.	Jan 13 01:53
schestowitz	The issue is that lots of cross-references lead to lots of MySQL queries per visit. There's also room for optimising the page by removing some stuff like related posts (very CPU/RAM-intensive)	Jan 13 01:54
neighborlee	schestowitz, stunning, windows 7 offers ODF as a 'other format' when saving, imagine that ;)	Jan 13 01:55
schestowitz	They do it in order not to lose	Jan 13 01:55
neighborlee	yup	Jan 13 01:55
neighborlee	just nice to see ODF getting its due	Jan 13 01:55
schestowitz	Yes, it won.	Jan 13 01:55
neighborlee	:))	Jan 13 01:55
schestowitz	But Microsoft's crime won't be forgotten	Jan 13 01:55
neighborlee	exactly.	Jan 13 01:55
schestowitz	It fought against ODf like fire	Jan 13 01:55
schestowitz	It even had people fired	Jan 13 01:55
schestowitz	Like Peter Quinn	Jan 13 01:56
neighborlee	nice article on gap vs linux..very enlightening, though not to those of us that get whats going on from the start of course	Jan 13 01:56
schestowitz	I have about 40 more on the pipeline	Jan 13 01:57
neighborlee	:)	Jan 13 01:57
schestowitz	I'd have to drop other activities.	Jan 13 01:57
schestowitz	There are actually thousands potentially... like 3000	Jan 13 01:57
schestowitz	I've got time...	Jan 13 01:57
neighborlee	woah	Jan 13 01:57
schestowitz	Doug posts a lot in USENET these days and it drives the Munchkins bananas. They thought it had been buried.	Jan 13 01:58
neighborlee	im disgusted burris may indeed take his seat..	Jan 13 01:58
neighborlee	and that race card was used its just as disgusting.	Jan 13 01:58
neighborlee	schestowitz, not sure if I missed something or...but the pdf gap vs. linux has no attachments ?	Jan 13 02:20
schestowitz	Let me see..	Jan 13 02:21
schestowitz	What do you mean by attacments?	Jan 13 02:22
schestowitz	*h	Jan 13 02:22
schestowitz	It has the PDF linked to it, just tested it... and it's A OK :-)	Jan 13 02:22
neighborlee	well I downloaded pdf thinking that was all I needed	Jan 13 02:25
neighborlee	is there more	Jan 13 02:25
neighborlee	pdf is tiny content wize	Jan 13 02:25
neighborlee	all it says , is here you go, see attachments, dont give this out to anyone ;)	Jan 13 02:26
schestowitz	Scroll down	Jan 13 02:28
schestowitz	There are 30 pages!	Jan 13 02:29
neighborlee	ah crap	Jan 13 02:29
neighborlee	ic that now LOL	Jan 13 02:29
neighborlee	well it looked like it was just a short memo, 'with attachments' ;)	Jan 13 02:29
neighborlee	sigh,,a very odd way to write something ;)	Jan 13 02:29
neighborlee	anyway a very good thing to get out there, and with this info I cant imagine anyone anymore wondering if we should trust things from Microsoft especially with patents attached LOL ;)	Jan 13 02:30
neighborlee	bush last press conference..what a major DISASTER o_0	Jan 13 02:31
neighborlee	talk about denial	Jan 13 02:32
schestowitz	Bush?	Jan 13 02:32
neighborlee	yuppers	Jan 13 02:32
schestowitz	I didn't watch it.	Jan 13 02:32
neighborlee	you missed nothing.	Jan 13 02:32
schestowitz	Any dying turkeys in the bg?	Jan 13 02:32
neighborlee	except a headache re: this guy was our president ?? ;))	Jan 13 02:32
neighborlee	LOL	Jan 13 02:32
neighborlee	nope,,,,dying humans, as they fent off disgust over him being our 'president'..	Jan 13 02:33
neighborlee	EEK gad <	Jan 13 02:33
schestowitz	Presidents are there for a job	Jan 13 02:36
schestowitz	It's not to serve the public	Jan 13 02:37
neighborlee	well he certainly never got that :)	Jan 13 02:37
neighborlee	he actually thought the presidency was just for show apparantly <wink>	Jan 13 02:37
neighborlee	no regard for anything but his own bloated ego.,,the phrase of his legacy surely is: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/midd... :)	Jan 13 02:39
schestowitz	He's not the first	Jan 13 02:42
schestowitz	In fact, I think they all are.	Jan 13 02:42
schestowitz	They serve those who pay their bills (not the taxpayers)	Jan 13 02:43
neighborlee	my friend would find that mana from heaven in that he'd see it as more evidence of the whole conspriacy theory on the illuminati and free masonry threat ;)	Jan 13 02:45
neighborlee	I did however see a very strange public tv talk show where they mentioned this book called , dr marys monkey I think it was..very provocative stuff !	Jan 13 02:46
neighborlee	schestowitz, we can hope obama is different in that regard.	Jan 13 02:47
neighborlee	though atm, that hugely depends who you ask :)	Jan 13 02:47
schestowitz	Different yes..	Jan 13 02:47
schestowitz	In some ways... but the system will eat him alive	Jan 13 02:47
neighborlee	might yup	Jan 13 02:48
schestowitz	It's not like one person can change the government. He's just a public face	Jan 13 02:48
schestowitz	People move him like a puppet on strings.	Jan 13 02:48
neighborlee	I think so far , on some small'ish level it already has, with the burris incident'	Jan 13 02:48
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schestowitz	Same in many other cases where you have familiar faces.	Jan 13 02:48
schestowitz	Hey, anivar	Jan 13 02:48
schestowitz	What's the burris incident? I missed it.	Jan 13 02:49
neighborlee	well bush certainly got his way, with the iraq war though there were very bright people telling him you should n ot be doing this,,,	Jan 13 02:49
neighborlee	so I dont know about the whole puppet thing ;)	Jan 13 02:49
neighborlee	well	Jan 13 02:49
neighborlee	one sec	Jan 13 02:49
schestowitz	Money drives wars	Jan 13 02:50
schestowitz	Logic sometimes drives peace, but never mind.	Jan 13 02:50
neighborlee	http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/c...	Jan 13 02:50
*schestowitz looks		Jan 13 02:51
neighborlee	I find this whole thing a huge mess with obama	Jan 13 02:51
neighborlee	obama did not want burris seated, now here he is looking as if he's going to be seated , along with congress seeming to take a pie in the face about it...stupid mess.	Jan 13 02:52
neighborlee	what is really sad, is a friend of his got up to talk to press a week or so ago, after burris annouced himself and what was going on,- and said that this burris refusal smacks of racism...I find this whole thing a sad mess and glad I dont live in chicago.	Jan 13 02:54
schestowitz	Let me see	Jan 13 02:54
neighborlee	yeah sorry..take a read see what you think	Jan 13 02:55
schestowitz	I'm reading it too fast	Jan 13 02:55
schestowitz	Anyway, I trust you that it stinks	Jan 13 02:55
neighborlee	well	Jan 13 02:55
schestowitz	This was predictale and I write about s/w's involvement	Jan 13 02:56
neighborlee	s/w ?	Jan 13 02:56
schestowitz	Same with the copyrights cartel that Obama already entertains.	Jan 13 02:56
schestowitz	sofwtare	Jan 13 02:56
neighborlee	ah yes	Jan 13 02:56
schestowitz	See Obama @ BN (search the site)	Jan 13 02:56
neighborlee	ah ok	Jan 13 02:56
schestowitz	Lots of connections to MS	Jan 13 02:56
neighborlee	oh great	Jan 13 02:57
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schestowitz	Both parties..	Jan 13 02:58
neighborlee	maybe his change mantra willl include foss which willl help free many people :)	Jan 13 02:58
schestowitz	They (MS) put money in all baskets	Jan 13 02:59
neighborlee	this surprises me not ;)	Jan 13 02:59
schestowitz	Butter the two sides of the toast and so on and so forth.	Jan 13 02:59
neighborlee	yup	Jan 13 02:59
schestowitz	Lots of companies do this	Jan 13 02:59
schestowitz	Oil companies too	Jan 13 02:59
schestowitz	It's a government driven by the mega-corps	Jan 13 02:59
neighborlee	thast why capitalism is such a horrid thing...its too controlling, but thats me.	Jan 13 02:59
neighborlee	obama is right at least about one thing wherein he wants to bridge the nasty gap between the classes	Jan 13 03:00
schestowitz	Capitalism is good if implemented right	Jan 13 03:01
schestowitz	But hat's a commericial model	Jan 13 03:01
schestowitz	The problem is lack of democracy in the US	Jan 13 03:01
schestowitz	It's only an illusion of choice	Jan 13 03:01
schestowitz	People are given two options, both of which have the same forces behind them, just different faces.	Jan 13 03:02
neighborlee	people in important places, all due to money and influence ;)	Jan 13 03:02
neighborlee	of course we dont have a true demomcracy :)	Jan 13 03:02
schestowitz	They also get elevated or elected from secret societies	Jan 13 03:02
neighborlee	you mean like skulll and bones etal ?	Jan 13 03:02
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schestowitz	Same here in the UK, with Tony Blair and Gordon Brown both being raised by high class of secret meetings and arragements round trade agreements and such agenda.	Jan 13 03:03
schestowitz	No, no "skull & bones"	Jan 13 03:03
schestowitz	That's too crazy to me.	Jan 13 03:03
neighborlee	ok just checking.	Jan 13 03:03
schestowitz	I'm talking about meetings you can see.	Jan 13 03:03
schestowitz	Like annual Bilderberg meetings.	Jan 13 03:04
neighborlee	my friend thinks so,,also about masonic people being evil yadda..	Jan 13 03:04
neighborlee	ah	Jan 13 03:04
schestowitz	The Gates family is there and so are the big ecnomists who probably know what was coming all along (global slump)	Jan 13 03:04
schestowitz	They try to maintain dominance in the west despite heavy debt to the east, for example.	Jan 13 03:04
neighborlee	ah ic	Jan 13 03:04
schestowitz	But they don't tell this to people	Jan 13 03:04
schestowitz	Keep those 'kids' (little people) ignorant and happy	Jan 13 03:04
schestowitz	"Let them spend and work heard while 'we' adults decide what's good for them:	Jan 13 03:05
schestowitz	*hard .. "	Jan 13 03:05
neighborlee	yes sadly	Jan 13 03:05
schestowitz	Nothing's new here.	Jan 13 03:05
schestowitz	Many counries suffer from these issues.	Jan 13 03:05
neighborlee	sure do	Jan 13 03:05
schestowitz	But the degree/level varies	Jan 13 03:06
schestowitz	And there is a LOT of indoctrination that's intended for people not to ever think about it and have the meant to challenge it (e.g. labour unions)	Jan 13 03:06
neighborlee	I hope education on such things is beefed up in the future	Jan 13 03:07
schestowitz	It'll be hard	Jan 13 03:07
schestowitz	The Internet permitted some of it, but the technophic politicians react frantically.	Jan 13 03:07
schestowitz	*phobic	Jan 13 03:08
neighborlee	yeah this is indeed true	Jan 13 03:08
schestowitz	Could be worse...	Jan 13 03:08
schestowitz	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarc...	Jan 13 03:08
neighborlee	yup	Jan 13 03:08
neighborlee	schestowitz, oh btw..windows 7 ( vista did not ) now has a 'sticky notes' app on many menu, at top..interesting.	Jan 13 03:13
neighborlee	s/many/main	Jan 13 03:13
schestowitz	Like tomboy?	Jan 13 03:14
neighborlee	not sure..dont use tomboy never really did	Jan 13 03:14
neighborlee	similar I guess ?	Jan 13 03:14
neighborlee	haven't used sticky notes either so far.	Jan 13 03:14
schestowitz	BetaVista7.. like Vista, now with extra sticky notes.... Wow7	Jan 13 03:14
neighborlee	indeed	Jan 13 03:14
neighborlee	and gnome 'roadmap' page still mentions 'tomboy'.	Jan 13 03:15
schestowitz	Monoboy	Jan 13 03:15
neighborlee	as in 'complete crossplatform support'	Jan 13 03:15
neighborlee	lol	Jan 13 03:15
tessier	"People like Anivar are rightly — or leftly — pissed off." Hah! A pun on communists!	Jan 13 03:19
schestowitz	Copyleft	Jan 13 03:20
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schestowitz	gn	Jan 13 03:47
schestowitz	Despite the downtimes and the offshoring of service to Coral, there are half a million hits today. Conbined it might be close to a million, I guess.	Jan 13 03:58
ushimitsudoki	impressive. i think the coverage of the comes documents is a good thing	Jan 13 03:59
tessier	Why so many?	Jan 13 04:01
tessier	What happened? Did you get on /. or something?	Jan 13 04:01
ushimitsudoki	http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=...	Jan 13 04:02
tessier	Ah. I've been diligently working my butt off today and haven't had a chance to check /.	Jan 13 04:07
twitter	Cool stuff.	Jan 13 04:17
tessier	http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid...	Jan 13 04:18
tessier	What's up with that?	Jan 13 04:18
twitter	I waded into this 12 day long shitfest http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/29/jimmi-h...	Jan 13 04:24
tessier	http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid...	Jan 13 04:27
tessier	hahaha	Jan 13 04:27
twitter	ha ha indeed. They don't have much to say about EDGI do they?	Jan 13 04:29
tessier	Yep	Jan 13 04:31
twitter	here's another one http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?s...	Jan 13 04:37
twitter	links back to an older, uglier troll.	Jan 13 04:38
twitter	There are a few nicer links too. http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?si...	Jan 13 04:46
twitter	http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10...	Jan 13 04:46
twitter	I think the publication has had the correct result. People are reading the docs and will make decisions based on facts and knowledge rather than guess work.	Jan 13 04:51
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mib_5hapir	hey	Jan 13 08:42
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xads	hi anyone here have the misfortune of having to admin any netware servers ?	Jan 13 09:18
MinceR	j0	Jan 13 09:23
kentma1	schestowitz: hi	Jan 13 09:28
schestowitz	Morning.	Jan 13 09:39
schestowitz	I still can't disable Coral.	Jan 13 09:39
kentma1	schestowitz: hi - btw - were you light on news postings yesterday - didn't see many in the digest.	Jan 13 09:48
schestowitz	Sunday?	Jan 13 09:50
schestowitz	Surprise! Net Censorship Circumvention Tools Sell User Data < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090111... >	Jan 13 09:51
schestowitz	We get references in CNET to 'moderate' an article about MS in 'open source	Jan 13 09:55
schestowitz	http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10...	Jan 13 09:55
schestowitz	What will Obama do with his millions of online 'friends'? < http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/12/obam... >	Jan 13 10:36
schestowitz	Microsoft ad campaign urges more IT spending < http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/01/12... >	Jan 13 10:42
schestowitz	"Microsoft has joined Dell by asking customers to continue paying them during the recession rather than slash spending on IT." Yeah, just max up all the credit... it's good for Microsoft and Dell.	Jan 13 10:43
schestowitz	http://www.pcworld.com/article/156971/paris_hi... "Paris Hilton's Web site has been hacked and is serving visitors a malicious Trojan program designed to steal sensitive information from their computers."	Jan 13 10:46
schestowitz	Shane O'Neill is still posting lots of pro-Microsoft material in IDG. He's worth adding to Credibility Index	Jan 13 10:49
schestowitz	"Halo 3 addiction doesn't explain or excuse Daniel Petric's shooting both his parents, says an Ohio judge. More specifically, video game addiction, which was never medically established during the trial, did not make Petric any less responsible for murdering his mother and wounding his father, according to the judge." http://www.pcworld.com/article/156925/p...	Jan 13 10:52
schestowitz	Most CIOs are dinosaurs: out of place in the world that is taking shape, and headed for mass extinction. http://www.pcworld.com/article/156941/cio...	Jan 13 10:52
schestowitz	Classic Case of Revolving Door at Defense Department < http://www.prwatch.org/node/8128 >	Jan 13 10:57
schestowitz	zoobab: missing URL: http://www.digitalmajority.org/forum/t-119493/netwo...	Jan 13 11:01
schestowitz	http://www.cometmedia.org/www/GAP%20... "The COSMOS New Media Initiative of Comet Media Foundation is developing a network of 'champions' or leaders called GNU Action Pilots (GNU is a popular acronym of the Free Software movement).	Jan 13 11:16
schestowitz	"	Jan 13 11:16
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schestowitz	re: Novell's OOo FUD: "Talking Points for the Microsoft Trolls? [...] Was this the December talking points list for the Microsoft Trolls? " http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?l...	Jan 13 11:19
schestowitz	Dispelling the FUD around OOo: There has been a lot of disinfomation and Sun is careful not to say a thing. http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/09/inter...	Jan 13 11:22
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schestowitz	Misspelling of "Novel" http://www.novel-ge.com/ "“All of the site work is being monitored and tested by Novell Geo Environmental, the board’s geotechnical engineer,” said Shriver. “The next phase of this contract will include piping and drainage structures for the storm sewer system leading the pond.”"	Jan 13 11:54
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schestowitz	Google On Pace To Take 75% Of Search Market < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/01/12/goog... >	Jan 13 12:08
schestowitz	"Google may be used to seeing its market share climb, but it looks like the search giant is getting kicked down a rung or two in one country. Mozilla has decided to make Yandex, and not Google, the default search provider in future Russian versions of Firefox." http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/01/...	Jan 13 12:09
schestowitz	Mourning for the MS press: http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/How_to_s...	Jan 13 12:13
schestowitz	http://www.stallman.org/archives... " China is using an increasing number of paid "internet commentators" in a sophisticated attempt to control public opinion. Usually Bush has copied China, but this time maybe China is copying Bush."	Jan 13 12:17
schestowitz	"NBC continues presenting one of the Pentagon's paid pundits as an objective and independent expert, neglecting to mention that he has a financial interest in the war. NBC also does not mention that it is owned by GE, which also has a financial interest in the war." http://www.stallman.org/archives/...	Jan 13 12:17
schestowitz	EU to ban plasma televisions in battle against climate change < http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/environ... >	Jan 13 12:17
schestowitz	Ohio State study: Greenland's glaciers losing ice faster this year than last year, which was record-setting itself < http://www.osu.edu/news/newsitem2255 >	Jan 13 12:19
schestowitz	"The VAR Guy is betting on a 2010 product launch for the successor to Windows Vista." http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/01/12...	Jan 13 12:24
schestowitz	The MSBBC is advertising Windows at taxpayers' expense' (again): http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/techn...	Jan 13 12:42
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schestowitz	Smallest state leads US into deep recession < http://www.the-dispatch.com/articl... >	Jan 13 13:28
schestowitz	"DEep REceSSION" = DEPRESSION	Jan 13 13:29
schestowitz	"Jobs are painfully lacking in Rhode Island, where unemployment stood at 9.3 percent in November, just behind the national leader Michigan. To the dismay of state leaders, this tiny state has persistently been a leader in joblessness as the recession deepens."	Jan 13 13:29
schestowitz	Maybe Donald Trump will BailEmOut(R)? :-\|	Jan 13 13:30
schestowitz	DRM trap and other nonsense: Microsoft gets Chinese IPTV deal < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/ne... >	Jan 13 13:52
schestowitz	NASA hacker will plead guilty in the UK < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/362/10... > "HAPLESS HACKER Gary McKinnon has told UK prosecutors he will plead guilty to some charges in the UK if he does not have to be extradited to a prison in the US."	Jan 13 13:52
PetoKraus	i'm gonna try installing W7 beta	Jan 13 14:22
PetoKraus	on Celeron 2400 with 512MB ram	Jan 13 14:22
PetoKraus	just for the heck of it	Jan 13 14:22
PetoKraus	:D:D	Jan 13 14:22
schestowitz	You'll drive up their numbers	Jan 13 14:23
schestowitz	It's better avoided	Jan 13 14:23
PetoKraus	i'm downloading from torrents	Jan 13 14:23
PetoKraus	:)	Jan 13 14:23
PetoKraus	what do you think :P	Jan 13 14:23
PetoKraus	and if you believe i'm gonna drive up their numbers, you are wrong	Jan 13 14:24
PetoKraus	the numbers have been decided even before launch	Jan 13 14:24
PetoKraus	i'd say on about 3.5M+random(200000)	Jan 13 14:24
schestowitz	It phones home	Jan 13 14:25
PetoKraus	i'll repeat myself	Jan 13 14:26
PetoKraus	the numbers have been decided even before launch	Jan 13 14:26
PetoKraus	system req : A computer with a 1-GHz 32-, or 64-bit (x64) processor,	Jan 13 14:28
PetoKraus	1 GB of system memory, at least a DirectX 10 graphics card,	Jan 13 14:28
PetoKraus	if not even DirectX 9, with over 128MB of graphics memory,	Jan 13 14:28
PetoKraus	and a 40 GB hard drive will be more than enough to power Windows 7.	Jan 13 14:28
PetoKraus	:D what a joke	Jan 13 14:28
schestowitz	1GN of RAM.	Jan 13 14:28
schestowitz	GB	Jan 13 14:28
schestowitz	Didn't they say 512 for Vista?	Jan 13 14:28
PetoKraus	no freaking idea	Jan 13 14:28
PetoKraus	off for squash, ttyl	Jan 13 14:29
schestowitz	Haha. BetaVista7 might ineeded be fatter than Vista, like benchmarks showed	Jan 13 14:29
schestowitz	re: CPU... sure, it will get there... EVENTUALLY. Just be very patient.	Jan 13 14:29
schestowitz	40 GB? Graphics card /required/???	Jan 13 14:29
schestowitz	For headless servers too??	Jan 13 14:30
schestowitz	Mandy flies flag for small biz bailout < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/13/...>	Jan 13 14:32
schestowitz	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/0... "The scheme would guarantee loans, for a fee, made by banks to businesses with less than 50 employees." Public!Looting!Inc	Jan 13 14:33
schestowitz	You don't lose the money that you have in the bank, which can't repay you... you just paid through the nose to fund the corrupt banks --collectively speaking -- to ensure what stays there, well... it passed in the form of tax and funneled into the bailout pool. What a dirty scheme.	Jan 13 14:34
schestowitz	2009 CES Attendance Plummets 22 Percent: Was It By Design? < http://www.pcworld.com/article/156952... >	Jan 13 14:36
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schestowitz	More ODF support: "At this year's Expo, Araxis Merge was back, and with a nifty addition to its bag of tricks: it can now automatically extract and compare text from Word, Excel, PDF, and Open Document Format documents." http://www.pcworld.com/article/156929/ap...	Jan 13 14:56
schestowitz	Storm Worm botnet cracked wide open < http://www.heise.de/english/newsti... >	Jan 13 15:00
schestowitz	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01... "Several Sun MySQLers have been denied short stay business visas to Australia - yes, Australia - as they attempted to attend a Linux conference in Hobart, Tasmania."	Jan 13 15:19
MinceR	sun hates linux anyway	Jan 13 15:26
schestowitz	It does	Jan 13 15:27
schestowitz	It wants to use it to elevate Sun profits though, which is _can_, using OOo, Java, etc.	Jan 13 15:27
schestowitz	IBM promotes DRM. Wow! What an 'open source' player.. http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/opens... (Supplement Creative Commons with open standards)	Jan 13 15:38
MinceR	"open source DRM" only fools those stupid enough to want DRM in the first place anyway :>	Jan 13 15:39
MinceR	if it really is open source	Jan 13 15:40
schestowitz	But you want to! You really do!!	Jan 13 15:40
MinceR	lol	Jan 13 15:40
schestowitz	Watch the clock tilting..	Jan 13 15:40
schestowitz	Solution to DRM...	Jan 13 15:40
schestowitz	_open source_ DRM	Jan 13 15:40
schestowitz	That's like proposing death by injection to stop death from hunger	Jan 13 15:41
MinceR	i hope they won't force tivoiztion, as that might make it work to some extent	Jan 13 15:42
MinceR	without tivoization, i can just change the DRM library to tell me the key :>	Jan 13 15:42
schestowitz	They do Palladium.	Jan 13 15:42
schestowitz	Bringing TC to "Linux"	Jan 13 15:43
MinceR	it isn't really "open source" if the TPM is doing the decoding	Jan 13 15:43
MinceR	and it isn't really "open source" if i can't replace the bootloader	Jan 13 15:43
schestowitz	What would Linus say? To paraphrase the Tivo thing, "I LIKE Palladium"	Jan 13 15:43
MinceR	but if i do replace the bootloader, the chain of trust is broken and Treacherous Computing becomes useless for that purpose	Jan 13 15:43
MinceR	(i could still be my own root of trust, but that's useless to the bad guys)	Jan 13 15:44
schestowitz	I'll get around to posting BillG's "security as a lockin" at some stage	Jan 13 15:44
schestowitz	The bad guys are the users	Jan 13 15:44
MinceR	gates still counts on people not understanding fundamental security principles?	Jan 13 15:44
schestowitz	Let me find the slide from MS\|MAFIAA	Jan 13 15:44
schestowitz	Gutmann had it, I think.	Jan 13 15:45
schestowitz	Na... I can't think how to search this by query	Jan 13 15:45
schestowitz	http://schestowitz.com/temp/research/	Jan 13 15:45
schestowitz	I doubt it's here < http://schestowitz.com/temp/research/vista-g... >, but have a look.	Jan 13 15:46
schestowitz	Ge removed this from his site, so several of us made copies	Jan 13 15:46
MinceR	why does IBM wants DRM in CC? o_O	Jan 13 15:47
schestowitz	"Possible Microsoft Thinking (ctd) "	Jan 13 15:47
MinceR	s/ts/t/	Jan 13 15:47
schestowitz	"Eventually everything is “premium” --> everything is protected"	Jan 13 15:48
schestowitz	MinceR: I thought the same.. Same on Aye Bee Aim.	Jan 13 15:48
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schestowitz	*Shame	Jan 13 15:48
schestowitz	Heh. So old.. http://schestowitz.com/temp/research/...	Jan 13 15:51
schestowitz	http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUS...	Jan 13 15:52
schestowitz	In this week:	Jan 13 15:52
schestowitz	* Bugzilla Update to 3.2	Jan 13 15:52
schestowitz	* Contributor Gifts	Jan 13 15:52
schestowitz	* Miguel de Icaza: Mono goes Accessible!	Jan 13 15:52
schestowitz	* lowobu: Since when do you use (open)SuSE?	Jan 13 15:52
schestowitz	* Nikesh Jauhari: Read-Write Support for NTFS partition on OpenSUSE 11.x	Jan 13 15:52
schestowitz	Credits	Jan 13 15:53
schestowitz	* Jan-Simon MÃÂ¶ller (Chief-Editor)	Jan 13 15:53
schestowitz	* Sascha Manns (Second Chief-Editor, Main-Newsletter)	Jan 13 15:53
schestowitz	* Stephan Binner (Main-Newsletter and Statistics)	Jan 13 15:53
schestowitz	* Rupert HorstkÃÂ¶tter (Main-Newsletter, openSUSE-Forums)	Jan 13 15:53
schestowitz	Aren't these mostly Novell employees? benJIman ?	Jan 13 15:53
benJIman	No.	Jan 13 15:53
benJIman	About half and half.	Jan 13 15:54
schestowitz	sacha and Rupert..	Jan 13 15:54
schestowitz	Thanks.	Jan 13 15:54
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twitter	DRM may be "Open Source" but they can never be free software. Digital restrictions are the antithesis of software freedom.	Jan 13 16:11
twitter	As you noted, hardware restrictions are particularly insidious. Hard drives and ACPI can betray you.	Jan 13 16:13
schestowitz	Lockin never betrayed MS	Jan 13 16:13
MinceR	it isn't restrictive if it's really open/free	Jan 13 16:13
MinceR	because you can change the code to give you the decoded data or the key	Jan 13 16:14
twitter	Tell that to your Tivo, which is open.	Jan 13 16:14
MinceR	it isn't	Jan 13 16:14
MinceR	it's tivoized	Jan 13 16:14
schestowitz	Free software = self authoritarian.	Jan 13 16:14
MinceR	well, at least it isn't free	Jan 13 16:14
MinceR	is there any official stance on tivo vs open-source?	Jan 13 16:14
twitter	If it restricts what you do, it can never be free.	Jan 13 16:15
MinceR	i mean, have the leaders of the OSI said what their stance on tivoization is?	Jan 13 16:15
twitter	I don't know	Jan 13 16:16
MinceR	perhaps they don't dare speak, afraid of making their business connections worse	Jan 13 16:17
twitter	RMS got it right from first principles. Non free software always tries to make the user so grateful for the task performed that the user will surrender some of their freedom to have the task performed and that's wrong.	Jan 13 16:18
twitter	Ha ha. I failed one these things a few months ago, http://online.wsj.com/article/...	Jan 13 16:19
twitter	-> Statement: "You have to give up on some things that you start." Suggested response from the cheat sheet: "Strongly disagree." Another statement: "Any trouble you have is your own fault." Suggested response: "Strongly agree."	Jan 13 16:20
twitter	What honest person could answer like that?	Jan 13 16:21
schestowitz	OSI is associated with companies that might be offended.	Jan 13 16:23
twitter	Those companies are offensive.	Jan 13 16:23
twitter	Digital restrictions stand in the way of universally available knowledge, it is a crime.	Jan 13 16:25
schestowitz	Richard Stallman: “DRM is nearly always the result of a conspiracy of companies to restrict the technology available to the public. Such conspiracy should be a crime, and the executives responsible for it should be sentenced to prison.”	Jan 13 16:31
schestowitz	zoobab: http://www.computerworlduk.com/commu...	Jan 13 16:54
schestowitz	Reader:"I read through everything on this article. It's not hard to understand why Microsoft was in such a BIG hurry to settle the Comes case and get the court docs taken down. What a huge embarrassing mess this would have been for them at the time, had it gone further. It's a good thing people saved copies before it all disappeared from the original site!"	Jan 13 17:00
schestowitz	My old cousin in FL: "I guess we got married to the web site [othellomaster] in January 2005, our start date, so this is our 4th Anniversary. Happy Anniversary TO US"	Jan 13 17:01
schestowitz	He does it as a hobby. Blogs are replacing newspapers.	Jan 13 17:01
schestowitz	Everyone already knows that. Web site, unlike newspapers, don't last just a day. Search engines change this rule of physical age.	Jan 13 17:02
schestowitz	*sites	Jan 13 17:02
schestowitz	http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/... (ooocon2008 videos on library.network.com)	Jan 13 17:19
schestowitz	"Apparently because younger people are using their thumbs to text all the time, it's become the digit of choice for activities like ringing doorbells." http://techdirt.com/articles/...	Jan 13 17:21
PetoKraus	i've actually decided i'm gonna do a video-review of W7b	Jan 13 17:24
PetoKraus	just for the sake of trying my camcorders out	Jan 13 17:25
PetoKraus	and i've got a friend who is accustomed to XP, has been using Debian+e17 for last half a year, and AFAIK never used Vista	Jan 13 17:25
schestowitz	Mentionning it is helping it	Jan 13 17:27
PetoKraus	and?	Jan 13 17:27
PetoKraus	i don't think i should 1) shun a product without trying it (i mean, on technical, not ideological things)	Jan 13 17:28
PetoKraus	2) by trying it out actually supporting it's use	Jan 13 17:28
schestowitz	Ars Technica is linking to BS 'stats': IE continues losing market share to open source browsers < http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2009/... >	Jan 13 17:29
schestowitz	They should get reliable sources	Jan 13 17:29

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: January 13th, 2009 - Part 1

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