| schestowitz | *letter; *gun | Feb 22 19:55 |
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| Balrog | heh | Feb 22 19:55 |
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| Balrog | not support | Feb 22 19:55 |
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| Balrog | not surprised * | Feb 22 19:56 |
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| Balrog | What I see is that people don't care what format they use, they just use the default | Feb 22 19:57 |
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| schestowitz | Things change because people look for answers. | Feb 22 19:57 |
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| Balrog | I had one professor tell a student (who had a Mac that can't open ooxml) that he should just use a school computer to re-save the files | Feb 22 19:57 |
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| schestowitz | They will hopefully be inspired to explore how their back-turning on corruption bites them in the rear later. | Feb 22 19:58 |
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| Balrog | obviously ignorance | Feb 22 19:58 |
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| Balrog | yeah. That's what I tell people. "Someday you'll feel burned by MS" | Feb 22 19:58 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2008/10/... | Feb 22 19:59 |
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| Balrog | they (a) don't think so or (b) don't care | Feb 22 19:59 |
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| schestowitz | They are well trained | Feb 22 19:59 |
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| schestowitz | "Mind your own business" | Feb 22 19:59 |
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| schestowitz | The ResonsibleAdults(R) will take care of the rest | Feb 22 19:59 |
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| schestowitz | If Greenspan says "buy a house", then go get a mortgage | Feb 22 20:00 |
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| schestowitz | If people say "Windows is the standard", the comply | Feb 22 20:00 |
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| schestowitz | [never mind DRM, back doors, viruses, etc] | Feb 22 20:00 |
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| schestowitz | /the/then/ | Feb 22 20:00 |
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| Balrog | well people consider Windows the standard. OS X challenges it, but only to a point (it's tied to hardware) | Feb 22 20:01 |
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| schestowitz | News: Downturn dilemma: Foreign professionals and worker visas < http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/lo... > | Feb 22 20:01 |
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| Balrog | people need to get used to something that will work on any hardware | Feb 22 20:01 |
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| Balrog | like Linux | Feb 22 20:01 |
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| schestowitz | "Locally, Microsoft had more than 1,000 H-1B visas approved for 2008, the fifth-highest for any U.S. employer. Others, like the University of Washington, got approval for 104; Seattle Children's Home for one." | Feb 22 20:01 |
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| schestowitz | "But one ex-Microsoft product manager said she feels no sympathy for them. She was the only person laid off from her group of seven, which included four visa holders — told her role no longer was strategic to the company." | Feb 22 20:01 |
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| Balrog | ;/ | Feb 22 20:01 |
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| schestowitz | "Recession"? What recession? Microsoft can pay people less for more now, while shafting Americans. | Feb 22 20:01 |
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| schestowitz | But.. but... | Feb 22 20:01 |
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| schestowitz | BillyG, his dad and Abramoff say that "Americans are stupid" (just not in these words) | Feb 22 20:02 |
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| schestowitz | So they need cheap labour, which they claim to be far superior | Feb 22 20:02 |
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| schestowitz | 'Poor' Gates and Abramoff can't afford to pay people's paychecks | Feb 22 20:02 |
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| Balrog | what about this class-action "Vista-ready" lawsuit. | Feb 22 20:02 |
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| Balrog | ? | Feb 22 20:02 |
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| Balrog | Is it going anywhere? | Feb 22 20:02 |
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| schestowitz | Balrog: it's not clas action now | Feb 22 20:02 |
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| schestowitz | But another one is coming | Feb 22 20:03 |
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| Balrog | wasn't it? | Feb 22 20:03 |
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| schestowitz | They could bribe the judge | Feb 22 20:03 |
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| schestowitz | 2 judges were caught last week for bribery | Feb 22 20:03 |
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| Balrog | :[ | Feb 22 20:03 |
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| schestowitz | So expected | Feb 22 20:03 |
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| schestowitz | No, no... | Feb 22 20:03 |
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| schestowitz | We're taught at schools that judges are Saints | Feb 22 20:03 |
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| Balrog | this whole thing sucks | Feb 22 20:03 |
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| schestowitz | And corporations are the centre of our society and culture. | Feb 22 20:03 |
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| schestowitz | NEver mind if since the very start early 20th centruty) they were furiously called "return to feudalism" | Feb 22 20:04 |
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| Balrog | then people should read "Out of Order: Arrogance, Corruption, And Incompetence On The Bench" | Feb 22 20:04 |
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| schestowitz | Then came Standard Oil and other issues over the years | Feb 22 20:04 |
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| Balrog | shows how terrible judges often are :/ | Feb 22 20:04 |
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| MrMidland | Rockefeller et al | Feb 22 20:04 |
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| schestowitz | "Wal-Mart is good for Americans," they teach us :-) :-) | Feb 22 20:04 |
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| Balrog | heh | Feb 22 20:04 |
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| schestowitz | Nice little franchise for an American family | Feb 22 20:04 |
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| Balrog | yah | Feb 22 20:05 |
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| schestowitz | MrMidland: : Rockefeller | Feb 22 20:05 |
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| schestowitz | MrMidland: : we're taught at schools they were heroes | Feb 22 20:05 |
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| schestowitz | Charitable great men | Feb 22 20:05 |
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| schestowitz | At the moment, even thieves like Gates build this image for themselves | Feb 22 20:05 |
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| Balrog | yeah. | Feb 22 20:05 |
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| MrMidland | ruthlessly ambitious sociopaths | Feb 22 20:05 |
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| schestowitz | Rothschild too | Feb 22 20:06 |
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| schestowitz | That's why they call it robber barons. | Feb 22 20:06 |
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| schestowitz | First they steal | Feb 22 20:06 |
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| schestowitz | Pillaging, then rewriting history | Feb 22 20:06 |
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| schestowitz | MrMidland: did you know that the Midland Hotel uses to be a centre for Nazis or something? | Feb 22 20:06 |
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| MrMidland | no never knew that | Feb 22 20:07 |
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| schestowitz | I only recently found this out from hotel staff, assuming he wasn't lied to | Feb 22 20:07 |
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| Balrog | and the government is part of it | Feb 22 20:07 |
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| schestowitz | Remmi told me | Feb 22 20:07 |
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| MrMidland | i've read a lot about the rothschilds | Feb 22 20:07 |
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| schestowitz | http://onemansthoughts.wordpress.co... | Feb 22 20:07 |
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| MrMidland | they do seem to arouse a lot of suspicion | Feb 22 20:07 |
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| Balrog | read about Harold Pitcairn (book is "Legacy of Wings") ... he was an inventor of helicopter technology (from a rich family) but got ripped off anyway by the large aircraft corporations who had support from the govt. | Feb 22 20:08 |
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| schestowitz | Reminds me of those photos of Rumsfeld and Saddam... | Feb 22 20:08 |
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| schestowitz | I think the offsprings of bit families like the rothschilds are still in the details | Feb 22 20:08 |
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| MrMidland | yeah, rarely do these things happen by chance | Feb 22 20:08 |
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| schestowitz | I occasionally hear about them when I learn about the powerful people that aren't seen much in the media | Feb 22 20:09 |
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| schestowitz | Some of their names and occupations don't get coverage because they don't want it | Feb 22 20:09 |
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| MrMidland | well there will certainly be lots of young men with plenty of time on their hands, willing to sign up to the american army in the near future | Feb 22 20:09 |
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| Balrog | and with not enough money | Feb 22 20:09 |
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| schestowitz | In facty, I don't know how much those Frobes listings can be trusted | Feb 22 20:09 |
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| schestowitz | Many people's wealth is deliberarely kept dark and can't be studied | Feb 22 20:10 |
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| MrMidland | true | Feb 22 20:10 |
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| schestowitz | Didn't they forget about price of Dubai? | Feb 22 20:10 |
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| schestowitz | They talk about Mr. Slim being the richest | Feb 22 20:10 |
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| schestowitz | Prince of Dubai has like TEN TIMES as much wealth | Feb 22 20:10 |
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| Balrog | yeah definitely | Feb 22 20:10 |
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| MrMidland | i hear they have wealth beyond our imagination, richer than some countries, trillions | Feb 22 20:10 |
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| schestowitz | So there's this 'insisible spectrum' of power | Feb 22 20:10 |
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| MrMidland | an invisible guiding hand | Feb 22 20:10 |
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| schestowitz | And Barcleys got scooped by him (a portion anyway) | Feb 22 20:10 |
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| schestowitz | MrMidland: Singapore? | Feb 22 20:11 |
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| schestowitz | Saudi Arabia has utterly terrible distribution of wealth, but the White House is friends with those who possess it | Feb 22 20:11 |
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| MrMidland | the markets could be being driven down by design, i wonder | Feb 22 20:12 |
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| schestowitz | That too is a theory | Feb 22 20:12 |
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| schestowitz | That we're looted wealth-wise just as "war on terrorism" is used to take rtights away | Feb 22 20:12 |
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| MrMidland | the biggest dose of poo for the fan has NOT arrived yet. | Feb 22 20:12 |
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| schestowitz | Actually, the former enable duppression of protest or dissent against the latter | Feb 22 20:12 |
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| schestowitz | If you are given the condition to make a police state, then it becomes easier to feudalise society a little more | Feb 22 20:13 |
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| MrMidland | Maybe this is planned to fall apart so they can do the final play for world dominion, | Feb 22 20:13 |
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| schestowitz | MrMidland: so I hear | Feb 22 20:13 |
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| schestowitz | But you can't gloat about this in public | Feb 22 20:13 |
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| schestowitz | MrMidland: I don't think that's it | Feb 22 20:13 |
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| MrMidland | you have to toe the party line | Feb 22 20:13 |
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| schestowitz | But power wants to be 'melted' and given to all | Feb 22 20:14 |
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| schestowitz | Internet facilitates it | Feb 22 20:14 |
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| schestowitz | Trasnpaoration too | Feb 22 20:14 |
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| schestowitz | People like Murdoch are poised to lose | Feb 22 20:14 |
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| schestowitz | Control, not just wealth | Feb 22 20:14 |
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| schestowitz | So the theory goess... | Feb 22 20:14 |
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| Balrog | any plan for world domination will fail. | Feb 22 20:14 |
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| schestowitz | So by making doomsday scenarios they can change things more radically. | Feb 22 20:14 |
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| schestowitz | Like "war on terrorism" for Web censorship | Feb 22 20:15 |
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| MrMidland | the imagery of the twin towers collapsing, the World Trade Centres, could be quite prophetic | Feb 22 20:15 |
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| schestowitz | Likewise, the control of wealth disables many people. | Feb 22 20:15 |
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| schestowitz | MrMidland: not quite | Feb 22 20:15 |
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| schestowitz | The War on Terrorism was only redclared then | Feb 22 20:16 |
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| schestowitz | It was declared decades earlier | Feb 22 20:16 |
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| schestowitz | "Return to barbarism and all" | Feb 22 20:16 |
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| schestowitz | The new "us" and "them" game | Feb 22 20:16 |
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| schestowitz | Post WW2 | Feb 22 20:16 |
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| MrMidland | i read an interesting article explaining a theory that childrens propensity for playing computer games at the expense of reading is not engaging the part of their brain responsible for empathy, | Feb 22 20:18 |
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| MrMidland | so we are seeing a rise in aspects of selfish behaviour we haven't seen before | Feb 22 20:18 |
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| schestowitz | Possible. It's also interesting how they are led to play violent games | Feb 22 20:18 |
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| schestowitz | Good and fun games could be made that make them less trigger-happy | Feb 22 20:19 |
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| schestowitz | Was the article you read related to some study from Scotland? | Feb 22 20:19 |
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| schestowitz | There was one in the BBC (mentioned here like 3 times) about the Internet causing many harms to children | Feb 22 20:19 |
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| MrMidland | reading a book it stated helps a child to put himself in the characters shoes and EMPATHISE with them, as opposed running around and blasting them with machine guns, which has moral issues too i suppose | Feb 22 20:19 |
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| schestowitz | There's that one too. Hold on. | Feb 22 20:20 |
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| MrMidland | i'll try and find the link give me a second | Feb 22 20:20 |
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| schestowitz | This guy has become notorious: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Thompson_(... | Feb 22 20:20 |
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| schestowitz | I don't know enough about him to know if it's just a smear campaign | Feb 22 20:20 |
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| Balrog | schestowitz: malformed link | Feb 22 20:21 |
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| Balrog | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Thompso... | Feb 22 20:21 |
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| Balrog | still malformed :/ | Feb 22 20:21 |
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| schestowitz | But I can imagine that kids and game makers (even military) would have reasons to resent him. he also made false accusations | Feb 22 20:21 |
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| Balrog | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Thom... | Feb 22 20:21 |
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| schestowitz | Balrog: IRC issue | Feb 22 20:21 |
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| Balrog | yeah | Feb 22 20:21 |
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| schestowitz | The brackets | Feb 22 20:21 |
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| Balrog | I see. | Feb 22 20:21 |
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| schestowitz | same in mine.. also the IRC processor (offline) | Feb 22 20:21 |
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| MrMidland | When young men watched violent video games their brain chemistry was affected. Brain activity in the emotional regions of the brain……..was reduced – thus limiting an individual’s capacity for empathy / sympathy and increasing their capacity to eliminate opponents. | Feb 22 20:21 |
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| MrMidland | Klaus Mathiak - The Psychologyst Vol 18-8 2005 | Feb 22 20:22 |
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| Balrog | then why push violent stuff? | Feb 22 20:22 |
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| schestowitz | War | Feb 22 20:22 |
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| schestowitz | It's not a bad things | Feb 22 20:22 |
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| Balrog | heh | Feb 22 20:22 |
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| schestowitz | Not to everyone anyway | Feb 22 20:22 |
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| schestowitz | Sometimes they create war | Feb 22 20:22 |
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| schestowitz | Like WW1 | Feb 22 20:22 |
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| schestowitz | And WW2 | Feb 22 20:22 |
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| Balrog | violent games don't appeal to me... | Feb 22 20:22 |
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| schestowitz | If you read the literature of proaganda | Feb 22 20:22 |
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| Balrog | yeah. | Feb 22 20:22 |
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| MrMidland | desensitise the masses to the wrongdoings of government, socially engineering an army | Feb 22 20:22 |
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| MrMidland | that will fight without a conscience | Feb 22 20:23 |
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| schestowitz | They ran what they considered "successful" to turn a facifist or apathetic population into one that wants to rip germans' limbs apart | Feb 22 20:23 |
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| schestowitz | Not it's the Arabs that they target (not Russians) | Feb 22 20:23 |
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| schestowitz | *Now | Feb 22 20:23 |
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| schestowitz | Stigmatise | Feb 22 20:23 |
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| MrMidland | negative stereotyping | Feb 22 20:24 |
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| schestowitz | Let me find something | Feb 22 20:24 |
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| schestowitz | I have some videos ont he subject | Feb 22 20:24 |
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| schestowitz | Actually, Goebbels wrote about this nasty stuff a lot. | Feb 22 20:24 |
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| schestowitz | It was before WW2 that the US media learned the same methods from the PR industry | Feb 22 20:24 |
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| schestowitz | Uses of imagiry and connotations | Feb 22 20:24 |
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| schestowitz | *imagery | Feb 22 20:25 |
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| MrMidland | Lucien Freud? | Feb 22 20:25 |
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| MrMidland | SIgmund Freud called it 'The Century of the Self' | Feb 22 20:25 |
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| schestowitz | Scholtz? | Feb 22 20:25 |
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| schestowitz | "Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism - how passionately I hate them!" -- Albert Einstein | Feb 22 20:26 |
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| MrMidland | Here goes...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3LSyck0YTE | Feb 22 20:27 |
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| schestowitz | Good video, bookmarked for watching in full later | Feb 22 20:30 |
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| MrMidland | thx | Feb 22 20:30 |
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| MrMidland | Hey Royston i gotta make like a banana and split, enjoy the video, my tummy needs (not wants) food:) | Feb 22 20:31 |
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| Balrog | tv is bad for kids too | Feb 22 20:31 |
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| Balrog | and at least as widespread as games | Feb 22 20:31 |
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| MrMidland | yeah TV too | Feb 22 20:31 |
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| schestowitz | It's nice how they show the linking between cars, cigarettes, sex | Feb 22 20:31 |
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| schestowitz | I actually spoke to Nas about this in the gym eariier | Feb 22 20:31 |
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| MrMidland | there are a lack of positive role models for children nowadays, so they learn by emulating the value structures and behaviours of whatever they are exposed too | Feb 22 20:32 |
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| schestowitz | What would happen if people called boozing "doping" and "Drunk" "stoned"? It does change how people /feel/ about things. | Feb 22 20:32 |
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| Balrog | drinking / smoking are just as bad | Feb 22 20:32 |
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| schestowitz | MrMidland: another issue | Feb 22 20:33 |
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| schestowitz | Religious people tend to have more kids | Feb 22 20:33 |
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| MrMidland | and the poor | Feb 22 20:33 |
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| schestowitz | So those among people in society who may known how to educate the kids don't have many/any | Feb 22 20:33 |
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| schestowitz | They leave education for other people to take care of (teachers, schools, Sony/Konami/PlayStation) | Feb 22 20:33 |
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| MrMidland | you could say that, but people with money aren't necessarily better role models | Feb 22 20:34 |
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| schestowitz | And teachers are told to "give equal time" to religion | Feb 22 20:34 |
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| Balrog | or not deal with it at all | Feb 22 20:34 |
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| schestowitz | Why don't we "give equal time" to "World is a disc"? | Feb 22 20:34 |
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| schestowitz | Or ban skiing because it's a dangerous sport just like some drugs are dangerous? | Feb 22 20:34 |
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| schestowitz | MrMidland: I didn't say "money" | Feb 22 20:35 |
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| schestowitz | I said religion | Feb 22 20:35 |
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| schestowitz | Not that I consider it a problem | Feb 22 20:35 |
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| schestowitz | The problem are social or national, not religious | Feb 22 20:35 |
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| schestowitz | Religious justifications are side effects | Feb 22 20:35 |
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| MrMidland | religion to me is a form of child abuse, exposing a childs impressionable mind to any given religion, impregnates their mind indellibly at an age when they cannot rationalise the logic if there is any for themself or make up their own mind, it is IMPOSED on them. | Feb 22 20:35 |
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| schestowitz | Iraqis don't dislike Americans because they have McDonalds | Feb 22 20:35 |
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| schestowitz | Or because they are Christian | Feb 22 20:36 |
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| schestowitz | It's because they are /looting/ them | Feb 22 20:36 |
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| schestowitz | But the justification may come in the form of religious reasoning | Feb 22 20:36 |
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| Balrog | religion that is a problem is warped | Feb 22 20:36 |
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| MrMidland | the morality side of it can be of benefit | Feb 22 20:36 |
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| schestowitz | MrMidland: yes, I have a video about that | Feb 22 20:36 |
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| MrMidland | but it always comes at the cost of 'killing in the name of' | Feb 22 20:37 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... | Feb 22 20:37 |
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| schestowitz | They could kill in the name of many things | Feb 22 20:37 |
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| schestowitz | Not just religion | Feb 22 20:37 |
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| klutz | I'm confused ... what does boycott Novell have to do with Iraq? Is Microsoft somehow responsible for the war? | Feb 22 20:37 |
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| schestowitz | Atrocities in Congo don't have anything to do with religion | Feb 22 20:37 |
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| Balrog | it becomes a problem when you get to one person being better than another only because of religion, and no other reasons | Feb 22 20:37 |
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| schestowitz | klutz: no, off topic | Feb 22 20:37 |
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| Balrog | (well no other reasons meaning to justify one person better than another) | Feb 22 20:37 |
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| schestowitz | Balrog: if not religion, the nationality of faction | Feb 22 20:38 |
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| schestowitz | Like families controlling territory | Feb 22 20:38 |
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| Balrog | that too | Feb 22 20:38 |
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| klutz | Whew! I was afraid this group was more anti-Redmond tan I was. :-) | Feb 22 20:38 |
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| Balrog | yeah | Feb 22 20:38 |
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| schestowitz | Or species in the case of animals | Feb 22 20:38 |
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| schestowitz | klutz: :-) | Feb 22 20:38 |
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| schestowitz | klutz: political corruption ain't separable from analogies in commercial corruption | Feb 22 20:39 |
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| MrMidland | i think it gets to the root of our tribal, animalistic mind, we are animals after all, i think there is always a yearning to be a part of something, anything or have an allegience with other people based on common ground, be it soccer, religion or music | Feb 22 20:39 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, "Tribal" is a word Chris Brooks uses too | Feb 22 20:39 |
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| MrMidland | it gives comfort and a sense of belonging | Feb 22 20:40 |
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| schestowitz | Competitiveness if something innate | Feb 22 20:40 |
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| schestowitz | Collaboration is another | Feb 22 20:40 |
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| MrMidland | yes | Feb 22 20:40 |
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| klutz | Schestowitz - analogies yes ... but sometimes more | Feb 22 20:40 |
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| schestowitz | You need to reinforce values of participation and "Ubuntu", not hostility | Feb 22 20:40 |
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| schestowitz | That's why games can be harmful and polarisation as seen on TV ("us" and "them" | Feb 22 20:40 |
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| klutz | Ah ... open source as the solution to international conflict? | Feb 22 20:41 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft says "This is WAR" | Feb 22 20:41 |
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| schestowitz | It says "we"re the GoodGuys" | Feb 22 20:41 |
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| schestowitz | I'm quiting from their prosentation" | Feb 22 20:41 |
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| schestowitz | They even use the word "Jihad" | Feb 22 20:41 |
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| MrMidland | many of our opinions and values are formed from the televison | Feb 22 20:41 |
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| schestowitz | And in other E-mails they recite it | Feb 22 20:41 |
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| schestowitz | When sabotaging OS/2 boot...... "this is war" | Feb 22 20:41 |
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| schestowitz | Not good for the customers, is it? | Feb 22 20:41 |
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| schestowitz | Technical sabotage... | Feb 22 20:41 |
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| MrMidland | we are very open to suggestion when watching tv in a trance like state | Feb 22 20:41 |
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| schestowitz | The Microsoft 'clan' you could call it.. | Feb 22 20:42 |
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| klutz | Do they ... a lot of industry blowhards like to talk tough. These guys all think they're descended from Attila the Hun. Jihad huh? | Feb 22 20:42 |
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| schestowitz | klutz: no, not open source | Feb 22 20:42 |
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| schestowitz | Free(dom) philosophy | Feb 22 20:42 |
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| schestowitz | Remember why people like RMS and other started this in the first place | Feb 22 20:42 |
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| MrMidland | Hey Roy i gotta eat, i am Hank Marvin. | Feb 22 20:42 |
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| schestowitz | They demostrated against violence and such things on the MIT campus too | Feb 22 20:42 |
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| schestowitz | FOSS was a tool. | Feb 22 20:43 |
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| MrMidland | I'll catch you later:) | Feb 22 20:43 |
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| schestowitz | MrMidland: catch you later | Feb 22 20:43 |
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| klutz | I just got here. I don't knwo the history. But as for open source being freedom, how does that position Red Hat? | Feb 22 20:43 |
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| schestowitz | klutz: not seen it yet? "Jihad"? | Feb 22 20:43 |
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| schestowitz | Hold on, I'll give you the link | Feb 22 20:43 |
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| Balrog | he left :/ | Feb 22 20:43 |
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| schestowitz | Red Hat is not an embodiment of Free software | Feb 22 20:43 |
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| schestowitz | Balrog: later here.. like 9pm | Feb 22 20:44 |
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| schestowitz | I'll be up until 5 or so | Feb 22 20:44 |
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| Balrog | ok. | Feb 22 20:44 |
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| Balrog | I'm in EST so how does that translate to? | Feb 22 20:44 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/04/2... | Feb 22 20:44 |
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| klutz | But it's an embodiment of open software. There are fine lines being draw here. Interesting | Feb 22 20:44 |
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| klutz | Thanks | Feb 22 20:44 |
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| Balrog | I saw that | Feb 22 20:44 |
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| schestowitz | klutz: indocrnation and boundaries make it hard to think of another way. That's how it's intended to be, if successful. | Feb 22 20:45 |
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| schestowitz | So they draw lines in the sand to make it hard for projects like Debian GNU/Linux. | Feb 22 20:45 |
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| schestowitz | But for Red Hat it may be fine | Feb 22 20:45 |
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| schestowitz | because they get more inclined to complying rather than pressing. | Feb 22 20:45 |
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| Balrog | interesting that Diskeeper is run by scientologists and if you work there they make you take scientology training, and MS includes diskeeper code in Windows | Feb 22 20:45 |
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| Balrog | Red Hat complies? | Feb 22 20:46 |
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| schestowitz | With market consensus | Feb 22 20:46 |
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| Balrog | wait to waht? | Feb 22 20:46 |
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| schestowitz | Forces of all sorts... | Feb 22 20:46 |
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| Balrog | what * | Feb 22 20:46 |
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| schestowitz | Debian ain't even keen on trademarks | Feb 22 20:46 |
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| Balrog | yeah well not like Novell... | Feb 22 20:46 |
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| schestowitz | Red Hat enforces these. | Feb 22 20:46 |
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| schestowitz | Remember IceWeasel? | Feb 22 20:47 |
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| klutz | I checked. If I have to be the victim of a Jihad ... I'd vote for this one "A Jihad focuses on the Travelling Salesman aspect of evangelism. As in sales, the purpose of the exercise is to close – to get the mark the ISV to sign on the dotted line, in pen, irrevocably." :-) | Feb 22 20:47 |
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| Balrog | well they have to keep their name... "Red Hat" has support from the company | Feb 22 20:47 |
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| Balrog | Debian doesn't | Feb 22 20:47 |
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| Balrog | but about the Firefox mess, that shouldn't have happened | Feb 22 20:47 |
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| Balrog | but how to make a "Firefox" without support from the foundation? | Feb 22 20:48 |
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| Balrog | (in case you make buggy modifications) | Feb 22 20:48 |
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| klutz | Red Hat has figured out a way to co-opt free software created by a community, and marginalize all others | Feb 22 20:48 |
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| schestowitz | They give it back too | Feb 22 20:48 |
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| schestowitz | The question is whether you want it /monetised/ | Feb 22 20:48 |
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| Balrog | unlike some others | Feb 22 20:48 |
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| schestowitz | That's a separate matter | Feb 22 20:48 |
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| klutz | It's a business model others are trying to figure out (Sun in particular) | Feb 22 20:48 |
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| Balrog | the GPL allows it | Feb 22 20:49 |
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| schestowitz | Red Hat made my PC work | Feb 22 20:49 |
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| schestowitz | I use Mandriva now | Feb 22 20:49 |
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| Balrog | interesting. | Feb 22 20:49 |
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| klutz | Sure. But understand the power of partners. Exec Red Hat Edition is what the big ISVs support. No one buys a version that isn't covered by the apps they run | Feb 22 20:49 |
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| Balrog | any particular reason? | Feb 22 20:49 |
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| schestowitz | klutz: Microsoft too | Feb 22 20:50 |
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| Balrog | Microsoft wants power too badly | Feb 22 20:50 |
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| schestowitz | klutz: but Microsoft is like a bully with 1000 slaves at the back that's trying to learn about those 'people in the north' | Feb 22 20:50 |
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| Balrog | they would really have to change their business model | Feb 22 20:50 |
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| schestowitz | Where slavery is not permitted | Feb 22 20:50 |
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| schestowitz | Someone tells Microsoft that the north of the US makes better steel | Feb 22 20:51 |
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| klutz | Right The industry today breaks down into the open source folks and the proprietary guys (Oracle, Microsoft,SAP) | Feb 22 20:51 |
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| Balrog | heh | Feb 22 20:51 |
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| Balrog | http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/0... | Feb 22 20:51 |
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| schestowitz | And Microsoft gets jealous and scared | Feb 22 20:51 |
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| schestowitz | Its slaved don't make good steel | Feb 22 20:51 |
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| schestowitz | So tit's trying to find out how to make competitive steel without slaves | Feb 22 20:51 |
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| klutz | And the proprietary guys eat their young (Informix, PeopleSoft, et.) | Feb 22 20:51 |
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| schestowitz | klutz: that's another issue -- convergence , centralisation of poer | Feb 22 20:52 |
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| schestowitz | That's what FTC is for.. regulation in general | Feb 22 20:52 |
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| Balrog | has the open source zune driver got anywhere? | Feb 22 20:52 |
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| schestowitz | But they eat doughnuts now. It's easier than doing their work. | Feb 22 20:52 |
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| klutz | It's best of breed vs. one stop shopping. Lok at the extent of Oracle's product offerings - OS, hypervisor ... from metal to GUI | Feb 22 20:53 |
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| schestowitz | Balrog: wrng question :-) | Feb 22 20:53 |
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| schestowitz | Balrog: has /the Zune/ got anywhere? | Feb 22 20:53 |
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| Balrog | yeah :p | Feb 22 20:53 |
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| Balrog | well I meant this | Feb 22 20:53 |
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| schestowitz | You could apply the "1% market share" meme to it | Feb 22 20:53 |
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| Balrog | ms closes the zune's hardware so much that there's no way to use it on linux / mac | Feb 22 20:53 |
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| Balrog | even the reverse-engineering experts can't (well most of them don't care) | Feb 22 20:54 |
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| Balrog | yes, I've seen some Zunes. Definitely no more than 1% though | Feb 22 20:54 |
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| schestowitz | XBox/ZUne are Microsoft's experiments on DRM for consumer appliances | Feb 22 20:54 |
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| Balrog | A friend of mine has one | Feb 22 20:54 |
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| trmanco | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWe... | Feb 22 20:54 |
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| schestowitz | They have lost billions trying, to no avail | Feb 22 20:54 |
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| klutz | 1% market share ... or as I've heard it put, "as far as making money, the "long tail" covers only the (ahem) anus" | Feb 22 20:54 |
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| Balrog | they can't get it right | Feb 22 20:54 |
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| Balrog | now what I hear is that Windows Mobile 6.5 is terrible | Feb 22 20:55 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Feb 22 20:55 |
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| schestowitz | Big let down | Feb 22 20:55 |
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| schestowitz | Even the MS fans hate it | Feb 22 20:55 |
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| schestowitz | Wow | Feb 22 20:55 |
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| schestowitz | They have a physical start button | Feb 22 20:55 |
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| Balrog | ”I’ve even flashed it onto my HTC Touch Pro just to see what it’s like. Guess what, (surprise!) it’s slower and even more bloated than WM 6.1. It didn’t last for more than a couple hours before I got fed up and rolled it back. Honestly, 6.5 didn’t add anything useful to 6.1. Just a honey-comb UI that looks crappier/more jerky than TouchFlo/Manilla or Spb Mobile shell." | Feb 22 20:55 |
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| *schestowitz shaking in fear | Feb 22 20:55 |
| Balrog | not me though :) | Feb 22 20:55 |
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| Balrog | sucks | Feb 22 20:56 |
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| Balrog | ok. | Feb 22 21:00 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: thanks, added | Feb 22 21:00 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft Internet Explorer CSS Memory Corruption Remote Code Execution < http://www.net-security.org/vuln.php?id=7138 > | Feb 22 21:00 |
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| schestowitz | *dinner (not diner... not a good time to open one :-) ) | Feb 22 21:00 |
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| Balrog | lol | Feb 22 21:01 |
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| schestowitz | Revisionism from MS press: http://www.minyanville.com/articles/MSFT-TWX-Int... | Feb 22 21:02 |
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| schestowitz | I hate it when people only find more recent articles and lackeys mitigate or hide the truth by selection and deselection of facts. The new theme is: Firefox grew, so Netscape wasn't abused really. | Feb 22 21:03 |
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| Balrog | well, it's true that Netscape was crashy back then | Feb 22 21:04 |
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| schestowitz | Watch this: 'Stimulus' saves Microsoft Billionaire Hundreds of Millions < http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/5651/52/ > | Feb 22 21:04 |
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| schestowitz | People lose their houses and now they are asked to pay for this man's boat | Feb 22 21:05 |
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| Balrog | :[ | Feb 22 21:06 |
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| Balrog | not surprised | Feb 22 21:06 |
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| schestowitz | That's how capitalism works | Feb 22 21:06 |
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| schestowitz | Tough love... love for them... tough for all the others | Feb 22 21:06 |
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| Balrog | well that's not how it's supposed to work here | Feb 22 21:08 |
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| Balrog | I don't think the founders of the US wanted it to at least | Feb 22 21:08 |
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| schestowitz | No, but that was then, this is now | Feb 22 21:08 |
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| Balrog | yeah, and people don't care what happened then | Feb 22 21:09 |
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| schestowitz | Money goes from the colective poor into the hands of executives | Feb 22 21:09 |
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| Balrog | even then, it was bad soon after | Feb 22 21:09 |
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| Balrog | with the banks and all | Feb 22 21:09 |
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| schestowitz | This is disguised as "stimilus" (not looting) to "create jobs" | Feb 22 21:09 |
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| schestowitz | Just like "patents" are for "innovation" | Feb 22 21:09 |
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| Balrog | what is your opinion about real patents? | Feb 22 21:09 |
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| Balrog | (not software) | Feb 22 21:09 |
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| schestowitz | And "this lifestyle" is "good for your character" | Feb 22 21:09 |
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| Balrog | ?? | Feb 22 21:10 |
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| schestowitz | Balrog: some are complex | Feb 22 21:10 |
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| schestowitz | Like.. if I use some mechanic machine | Feb 22 21:10 |
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| schestowitz | Then I think what it would take to prevent copycats | Feb 22 21:10 |
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| Balrog | do you think having patents that last, say 15 years, is a good idea? | Feb 22 21:10 |
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| schestowitz | It's not something a kid can build in a garage | Feb 22 21:10 |
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| schestowitz | Software can be built in a garage... 100,000,000 or it. | Feb 22 21:10 |
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| Balrog | problem with software is that it's too easy and it lasts too long | Feb 22 21:10 |
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| schestowitz | 1000000^32 of it | Feb 22 21:10 |
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| Balrog | 2 years would be manageable | Feb 22 21:10 |
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| Balrog | or even 4 | Feb 22 21:11 |
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| schestowitz | It's a vague science | Feb 22 21:11 |
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| schestowitz | Some economic ones are done | Feb 22 21:11 |
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| Balrog | but with the current patent term (for software) it's not fair | Feb 22 21:11 |
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| schestowitz | Question is, "how good is it to society" | Feb 22 21:11 |
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| Balrog | just as with copyright..... 95 YEARS????? | Feb 22 21:11 |
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| schestowitz | Not "how good is it to the old investor" | Feb 22 21:11 |
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| Balrog | yeah that's the question | Feb 22 21:11 |
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| schestowitz | Copyrights likewise | Feb 22 21:11 |
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| Balrog | like why are copyrights 95-years long? | Feb 22 21:12 |
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| Balrog | at least | Feb 22 21:12 |
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| schestowitz | Sure it's good for Frank Sinatra when Nancy can buy boats when she's 70... from his music | Feb 22 21:12 |
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| schestowitz | But what about young talents? | Feb 22 21:12 |
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| Balrog | and preservation | Feb 22 21:12 |
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| schestowitz | ANother thing is the labels | Feb 22 21:12 |
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| schestowitz | 95 years is good for labels | Feb 22 21:12 |
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| Balrog | I heard it was originally put in place for disney | Feb 22 21:12 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe. | Feb 22 21:13 |
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| schestowitz | For books -- not liekly | Feb 22 21:13 |
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| Balrog | (about Mickey Mouse) | Feb 22 21:13 |
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| schestowitz | But audio recordings are not so old | Feb 22 21:13 |
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| schestowitz | Video even less old | Feb 22 21:13 |
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| Balrog | yeah. | Feb 22 21:13 |
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| schestowitz | Books also required machinaery | Feb 22 21:13 |
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| schestowitz | Now we have computers | Feb 22 21:13 |
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| Balrog | yeah. | Feb 22 21:13 |
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| schestowitz | RMS explains this well... I can find the interview | Feb 22 21:13 |
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| schestowitz | Plagiarism is now CTRL+V away | Feb 22 21:14 |
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| Balrog | the copyright duration problem is not good for software preservation | Feb 22 21:14 |
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| schestowitz | Preservation is now good for money | Feb 22 21:15 |
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| schestowitz | *not | Feb 22 21:16 |
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| Balrog | but for history? | Feb 22 21:16 |
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| Balrog | archives can't exist, or are legally in the gray area | Feb 22 21:16 |
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| schestowitz | Read this: http://www.forbes.com/2006/11/30/books-info... | Feb 22 21:18 |
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| Balrog | I see | Feb 22 21:21 |
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| Balrog | there are many ways to prevent those problems | Feb 22 21:21 |
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| Balrog | such as emulators and all | Feb 22 21:21 |
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| Balrog | legally problematic though | Feb 22 21:21 |
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| Balrog | :[ | Feb 22 21:22 |
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| schestowitz | Silly headline connects two totally separate bits of news: Apple and Microsoft face new legal actions < http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2236498/app... > | Feb 22 21:22 |
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| Balrog | heh | Feb 22 21:22 |
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| Balrog | Apple's also being targeted by the patent trolls | Feb 22 21:22 |
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| schestowitz | Balrog: that's a bad thing in a way | Feb 22 21:24 |
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| Balrog | it's always bad for anyone to be targeted by them | Feb 22 21:24 |
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| schestowitz | They use as an excuse to say "we need patents to defend ourselves" but they use these to bully Linux, phones based on Linux.. | Feb 22 21:24 |
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| schestowitz | The thing is, patents can't protect them from trolls. | Feb 22 21:25 |
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| schestowitz | Trolls have no products | Feb 22 21:25 |
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| schestowitz | It's that simple | Feb 22 21:25 |
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| Balrog | yes. | Feb 22 21:25 |
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| schestowitz | But they can easily bamboozle people and lawmakers who don't undertand this. | Feb 22 21:25 |
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| Balrog | patents can maybe protect them from MS.... though idk if MS really cares | Feb 22 21:25 |
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| schestowitz | That also enables companies to sue others using a troll | Feb 22 21:25 |
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| Balrog | I did read that Palm has some patents that apple is infringing on | Feb 22 21:25 |
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| Balrog | but idk | Feb 22 21:25 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft has Nathan Myhrvold as a troll | Feb 22 21:26 |
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| Balrog | true. | Feb 22 21:26 |
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| schestowitz | it even funds the bastard to run IV | Feb 22 21:26 |
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| Balrog | yeah. | Feb 22 21:27 |
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| schestowitz | Yuck. http://www.mercurynews.com/google/ci_117... | Feb 22 21:28 |
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| schestowitz | One of their MS fairy tales | Feb 22 21:28 |
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| schestowitz | Children and adults taught how to be enslaved: http://www.eveningsun.com/ci_11725588 | Feb 22 21:30 |
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| Balrog | "DotNet: Microsoft rewrote all its software to be compatible with Internet standards." | Feb 22 21:31 |
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| Balrog | BS | Feb 22 21:31 |
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| Balrog | "internet standards"???? absolutely not | Feb 22 21:32 |
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| MinceR | "rewrote"? they never rewrite anything | Feb 22 21:33 |
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| schestowitz | Here's a plot from "USA Today"...... Conficker worm infects more than a million PCs < http://blogs.usatoday.com/technologyliv... > It says "PCs", not Windows... | Feb 22 21:33 |
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| schestowitz | And Brave Cowboy Microsofgt comes to rescue | Feb 22 21:33 |
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| Balrog | heh | Feb 22 21:33 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft will save those PCs | Feb 22 21:33 |
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| schestowitz | "The $250,000 bounty Microsoft has put up for information on of the controllers of the globe-spanning Conficker worm seems about right. " | Feb 22 21:33 |
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| schestowitz | That's how it begins | Feb 22 21:33 |
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| MinceR | they will, by convincing people to switch to linux | Feb 22 21:33 |
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| schestowitz | So Joe Doe reads it | Feb 22 21:33 |
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| MinceR | vista and vista7 are parts of that plan | Feb 22 21:33 |
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| schestowitz | Oh no! Computers under attack | Feb 22 21:34 |
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| Balrog | I've never seen a linux or mac with conficker.... | Feb 22 21:34 |
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| Balrog | (linux system ***) | Feb 22 21:34 |
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| schestowitz | *sigh of relief* Microsoft is fighting them | Feb 22 21:34 |
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| MinceR | microsoft has always been fighting computers | Feb 22 21:34 |
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| MinceR | slowing them down, making them less usable :> | Feb 22 21:34 |
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| Balrog | yeah, making sure innovation stayed slow | Feb 22 21:35 |
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| schestowitz | "Dear Microsoft, I love attracting haters, which is why I'm your biggest fan. People are just mad at you cause you make cool stuff using your unlimited resources and everything you touch turns to gold. I think it's about time you blew away google and apple in the overpowered gadget department:" | Feb 22 21:35 |
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| schestowitz | http://caps.fool.com/blogs/viewpos... | Feb 22 21:36 |
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| schestowitz | It's an ms fan sie | Feb 22 21:36 |
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| schestowitz | part of the pyramid | Feb 22 21:36 |
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| schestowitz | "buy MSFT" | Feb 22 21:36 |
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| schestowitz | Member of the mafia infects BBC... Microsoft executive Sharon Baylay joins BBC http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/20... | Feb 22 21:39 |
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| Balrog | yeah. | Feb 22 21:39 |
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| Balrog | :{ | Feb 22 21:39 |
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| Balrog | :[ | Feb 22 21:39 |
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| schestowitz | http://tinyurl.com/b2c32u BBC recruits marketing chief from Microsoft | Feb 22 21:39 |
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| schestowitz | Marketing even | Feb 22 21:39 |
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| schestowitz | Imposed lies and spin | Feb 22 21:39 |
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| schestowitz | From the company whose marketing involved writing letter from dead people | Feb 22 21:39 |
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| schestowitz | And bribing for publicity | Feb 22 21:40 |
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| schestowitz | Everyone Loves Google, Until It’s Too Big < http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/22/business/22d... > | Feb 22 21:40 |
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| schestowitz | I'm seeing some ugly stuff today... Microsoft is trying to addict people to its products under the guise of good deeds... CED Solutions, LLC to Provide Free Computer Training to Unemployed Professionals in Greater Atlanta Area < http://www.techlinks.net/community/community-ev... > | Feb 22 21:41 |
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| Balrog | very bad | Feb 22 21:42 |
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| schestowitz | Googlephone gets native MS Office viewers < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/17... > | Feb 22 21:42 |
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| schestowitz | The world moved on beyong the Officecorruption (of which there are many) | Feb 22 21:43 |
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| schestowitz | I'll do about 30 posts about this in the future, bringing back the time, this time with court proof for a change. | Feb 22 21:43 |
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| schestowitz | Just need to do it some time before Microsoft is blown to obscurity/oblivion | Feb 22 21:43 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.mercurynews.com/scotth... Herhold: Gary Reback's new book argues for antitrust action | Feb 22 21:45 |
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| schestowitz | "free the market" = let corporations -- not state -- control the country | Feb 22 21:45 |
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| schestowitz | I.e. no election, ever. | Feb 22 21:45 |
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| schestowitz | Has Microsoft worked out its acquisition of 3DV Systems? < http://topnews.us/content/23792-has-microsoft-... > | Feb 22 21:46 |
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| schestowitz | Feeling the pinch at Microsoft... interface pinch... http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/02/... | Feb 22 21:47 |
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| mjasay | Roy, I'm confused by what you wrote about me below... | Feb 22 21:50 |
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| mjasay | I don't know Rob Malda (only talked to him once) | Feb 22 21:50 |
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| mjasay | And the fact that I like Horacio at Microsoft doesn't suggest that I'm "sucking up to him." I didn't know that life was so binary | Feb 22 21:50 |
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| mjasay | And most of what I submit to Slashdot is rejected | Feb 22 21:52 |
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| schestowitz | Hey | Feb 22 21:53 |
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| schestowitz | mjasay: yes, I know | Feb 22 21:53 |
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| schestowitz | mjasay: about Malda | Feb 22 21:53 |
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| mjasay | I would have thought that Malda would have been one of your allies - most of what goes on Slashdot doesn't exactly speak of love and sweetness to MSFT | Feb 22 21:53 |
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| schestowitz | mjasay: I mailed you the schmoozing memo | Feb 22 21:53 |
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| schestowitz | Did you have a chance to read it? | Feb 22 21:54 |
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| schestowitz | They try to gag you | Feb 22 21:54 |
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| schestowitz | If they turn you to a buddy, then you can't criticise much | Feb 22 21:54 |
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| schestowitz | It's a stretgy they play against many people | Feb 22 21:54 |
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| schestowitz | Even Neelie Kroes | Feb 22 21:54 |
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| schestowitz | mjasay: re: Malda, I am no fan of Slashdot, since about a year ago. | Feb 22 21:55 |
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| mjasay | Yes, I read it. But Horacio has never approached me on anything. | Feb 22 21:55 |
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| schestowitz | They are too Microsoft friendly. They get funds from them too | Feb 22 21:55 |
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| mjasay | I approached him years ago in Paris, but...whatever | Feb 22 21:55 |
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| schestowitz | mjasay: did he ask to meet? | Feb 22 21:55 |
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| mjasay | No, I did | Feb 22 21:55 |
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| schestowitz | And what about Smith in OSBC? | Feb 22 21:55 |
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| schestowitz | Because Masnick was invited too | Feb 22 21:55 |
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| mjasay | You and I disagree on some things - I'm the corporate ***** after all :-) - but sometimes the name-calling doesn't help | Feb 22 21:55 |
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| schestowitz | They try to attract critics to have their side considered | Feb 22 21:55 |
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| mjasay | I invited Smith. I thought it was good to have him there. It showed just how wide the gulf is | Feb 22 21:56 |
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| schestowitz | mjasay: the Paris visit reminded me of Neelie and Ballmer in her home town | Feb 22 21:56 |
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| schestowitz | He also visited Reding et al. | Feb 22 21:56 |
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| mjasay | And it helped me to see just where MSFT's blindspot is vis-a-vis open source | Feb 22 21:56 |
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| schestowitz | They try to make personal friends to bypass expert opinions | Feb 22 21:56 |
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| mjasay | anyway, no worries, just was surprised to get attacked for this when I probably deserve to get attacked for plenty of other things :-) | Feb 22 21:56 |
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| schestowitz | mjasay: did I say that :-) Croporate *** ? | Feb 22 21:56 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe MinceR | Feb 22 21:56 |
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| mjasay | Yeah, it was MinceR | Feb 22 21:57 |
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| schestowitz | mjasay: Smith hijacked the show | Feb 22 21:57 |
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| mjasay | And I am corporate, so I understand | Feb 22 21:57 |
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| schestowitz | People hear open source "IP" this and that | Feb 22 21:57 |
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| schestowitz | That's the stuff we must hide unless it's scrutinised IMHO. | Feb 22 21:57 |
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| schestowitz | mjasay: we all get attacked sometimes. | Feb 22 21:57 |
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| mjasay | I'll keep reading - got to head to the airport now. More corporate stuff to do tomorrow. None of it involves MSFT :-) | Feb 22 21:57 |
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| schestowitz | The question is, what for, what justiffiction.. | Feb 22 21:58 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmm.. I thought this headline was about Microsoft's CEO: Microsoft apes Apple with line of official retail stores < http://www.thetechherald.com/article.php/20... > | Feb 22 22:01 |
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| MinceR | i can't follow this logic -- "if i can get attacked for something then i can't get attacked for anything else"? | Feb 22 22:01 |
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| schestowitz | Me neither | Feb 22 22:02 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft architect buys Issaquah 4BD < http://seattle.blockshopper.com... > "Haik Babaian and Jacqueline M. Lavallee bought a four-bedroom, two-bath home at 13726 231st Place S.E. in Issaquah from Gary F. Moore and Linda J. Moore for $520,000 on Jan. 29." Feelin' the pinch? Why is this news anyway?? | Feb 22 22:03 |
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| schestowitz | The Seattle press is glamorising Microsoft... so does that count as reporting? http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/techtrack... | Feb 22 22:04 |
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| schestowitz | Seattle press has an agenda, but why should it? If it's news, then you'd think it should be impartial. And then you have people accusing BN or Groklaw of being biased... | Feb 22 22:05 |
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| schestowitz | Using live.edu and stuff, Microsoft is trying to pull the poor people onto its lock-in in 'the cloud': http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/softw... | Feb 22 22:07 |
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| schestowitz | BizSpark/DreamSprak - like the park of cigarettes... the coke-cocaine of software, targetting startups and kids, respectively (without respect though) | Feb 22 22:07 |
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| schestowitz | *like the spark of cigarette | Feb 22 22:08 |
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| schestowitz | Spinners for Microsoft: http://fraudwar.blogspot.com/2008/10/micr... http://www.examiner.com/r-6798316~Microsoft_is_NOT... | Feb 22 22:09 |
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| schestowitz | ..what is this...? **Microsoft program manager sells in Bellevue** "Sally A. Solaro sold a four-bedroom, two-bath home at 110 Northside Road in Bellevue to Roderick A. Chavez for $276,076 on Jan. 22" < http://seattle.blockshopper.com/news... > How is this NEWS?? | Feb 22 22:13 |
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| schestowitz | BREAKING: man sells apartment. (He works for Xerox) | Feb 22 22:14 |
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| [H]omer | Maybe it's an indication that MS is going bankrupt :) | Feb 22 22:15 |
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| [H]omer | Or Xerox even | Feb 22 22:15 |
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| [H]omer | dunno | Feb 22 22:15 |
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| [H]omer | Roy, what logger_bot script do you use? The BLAG channel want to use it? | Feb 22 22:23 |
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| schestowitz | I use Jeff Waugh's script *shucks*! | Feb 22 22:25 |
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| schestowitz | I'll mail it to you. | Feb 22 22:25 |
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| schestowitz | He rewrote in python a popular perl-based script | Feb 22 22:25 |
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| schestowitz | Sent encrypted | Feb 22 22:25 |
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| schestowitz | #blagblagblag has ChanServ in it | Feb 22 22:27 |
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| MinceR | interblag! | Feb 22 22:27 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft started the SOuth American suckup roadshow: http://uk.reuters.com/article/ousiv/idUKT... | Feb 22 22:28 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: #interblag empty | Feb 22 22:29 |
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| MinceR | http://xkcd.com/181/ | Feb 22 22:30 |
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| schestowitz | OMG... after Red Ring of Death Microsoft calls the XBox brand "Red"... how tactless is that? Microsoft slips plans for red Xbox 360 < http://www.electronista.com/articles/... > Does "red Xbox 360" get RRoD more frequently? | Feb 22 22:30 |
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| schestowitz | Doug Barney sucks up to Microsoft on a weekly basis.. http://redmondmag.com/reports/article... | Feb 22 22:31 |
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| schestowitz | mib_qygw8x: hey, what's up? | Feb 22 22:31 |
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| schestowitz | The site is "independent voice...", but it's all about Microsoft. Nice way to conceal motives...... | Feb 22 22:32 |
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| schestowitz | ...can't make this stuff up. Microsoft: "You're FIRED! Now pay US!" Microsoft wants refund from some laid off workers < http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_... > | Feb 22 22:33 |
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| mib_2gopjk | : S | Feb 22 22:36 |
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| schestowitz | If H-P had gone out of business, those who capitalise would include Dell with Linux.... Recession hits HP profits <http://blogs.computerworld.com/recess... > | Feb 22 22:38 |
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| schestowitz | Sont folds too (in the US): einstein command quote | Feb 22 22:41 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.betanews.com/article/Sony_to_c... | Feb 22 22:41 |
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| schestowitz | Cool: http://www.gimpusers.com/tutorials/vi... | Feb 22 22:56 |
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| [H]omer | Roy, thx BTW | Feb 22 22:59 |
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| [H]omer | blag's live channel is on IndyMedia's server | Feb 22 23:00 |
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| [H]omer | irc.indymedia.org | Feb 22 23:01 |
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| [H]omer | The one on Freenode is not used | Feb 22 23:01 |
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| [H]omer | placeholder only | Feb 22 23:01 |
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| schestowitz | GOP Tax Mantra: Same Old Song and Stance < http://nightbirdsfountain.blogspot.com/20... > | Feb 22 23:14 |
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| schestowitz | In Brief: Chinese in new Tibet crackdown < http://www.independent.ie/world-news/in-bri... > | Feb 22 23:17 |
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