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| balzac | I asked you to email me. I gave you my email address. | Mar 24 00:10 |
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| balzac | I asked if I could add you as a developer on my business profile page. I already have an account manager. | Mar 24 00:11 |
| balzac | A business has to have a staff page to be taken seriously. | Mar 24 00:11 |
| schestowitz | I can't get my gravatar to work | Mar 24 00:11 |
| schestowitz | I never could | Mar 24 00:11 |
| schestowitz | Been trying since like 2006 | Mar 24 00:11 |
| schestowitz | Does anyone have experience with this? | Mar 24 00:12 |
| balzac | is gravatar integrated with openid services? | Mar 24 00:12 |
| balzac | I'm going to add my friend Sal as well to my business' personnel page | Mar 24 00:13 |
| schestowitz | Not really. | Mar 24 00:13 |
| schestowitz | Unless I don't know that it is | Mar 24 00:13 |
| schestowitz | Does it require some authentication? | Mar 24 00:13 |
| balzac | gravatar is meant for you to have a consistent "avatar" (icon) in various compatible chat services | Mar 24 00:13 |
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| schestowitz | How would gravatar know that I'm not using someone else's E-mail address *and* avatar? | Mar 24 00:13 |
| schestowitz | balzac: WP/Automattic bought em | Mar 24 00:14 |
| balzac | _Hicham_1: I'm going to say my business is booked a few months into the future so that can explain why I can't accept new clients for any immediate contracts. | Mar 24 00:14 |
| balzac | schestowitz: that was a good acquisition. Now it needs OpenID integration from an OpenID service provider. | Mar 24 00:15 |
| schestowitz | http://en.gravatar.com/site/faq/ | Mar 24 00:15 |
| _Hicham_1 | balzac : do u want my email? | Mar 24 00:15 |
| balzac | yeah | Mar 24 00:15 |
| balzac | you already have mine, I thought you might have sent one by now | Mar 24 00:16 |
| balzac | I have some small jobs, I work a 40hr week, and my account manager is trading her services to me in exchange for my IT consulting I give her. | Mar 24 00:16 |
| balzac | I'm not yet incorporated, but I'm trying to build a credible business front. | Mar 24 00:17 |
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| balzac | nothing I said in our conversation should be taken as non-negotiable | Mar 24 00:17 |
| balzac | But I'm going to put people on the personnel profile page. We can discuss it. | Mar 24 00:18 |
| balzac | If I had millions in VC and were registering as a C-corporation instead of a mere LLC, I'd ask Roy to be on my board of directors. | Mar 24 00:19 |
| balzac | My current employer may allow me to put the address where I work as my business address and have an informally-shared office. | Mar 24 00:20 |
| balzac | so I'll be legit pretty soon. | Mar 24 00:20 |
| _Hicham_1 | but Roy will attack u as soon as u intend to register a patent :D | Mar 24 00:21 |
| balzac | I wouldn't bother with patents unless I were manufacturing things, and even then, I'd prefer to use a license like the RepRap project. | Mar 24 00:22 |
| _Hicham_1 | it is fine since ur business is in services | Mar 24 00:23 |
| _Hicham_1 | but it is not always that easy to develop open source software | Mar 24 00:23 |
| balzac | I'm deploying, customizing, supporting, consulting re: FREE & oss | Mar 24 00:23 |
| balzac | It isn't easy, but it beats the hell out of proprietary software. | Mar 24 00:24 |
| balzac | </offtopic> | Mar 24 00:25 |
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| schestowitz | Ah! | Mar 24 00:30 |
| schestowitz | Finally. It was cache, apparently. | Mar 24 00:30 |
| schestowitz | Browser or server cache | Mar 24 00:30 |
| balzac | there are so many caches to keep track of | Mar 24 00:38 |
| balzac | web-server cache, web-application cache, browser caches... | Mar 24 00:38 |
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| schestowitz | router | Mar 24 00:45 |
| schestowitz | rarer | Mar 24 00:45 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, it's resolved now | Mar 24 00:45 |
| _Hicham_1 | what was the problem? | Mar 24 00:56 |
| schestowitz | Gravatar | Mar 24 01:11 |
| schestowitz | Cache and also... turns out my picture was mistakenly added as "x rated" | Mar 24 01:11 |
| schestowitz | I could have those silly icons working years ago had I ticked the right boxes. | Mar 24 01:12 |
| _Hicham_1 | Roy x rated?!! | Mar 24 01:14 |
| schestowitz | No, not really | Mar 24 01:19 |
| schestowitz | When you upload image you tick boxes and I wasn't paying attention. | Mar 24 01:19 |
| _Hicham_1 | Roy : why did u leave ur job? | Mar 24 01:24 |
| schestowitz | Yes, both jobs | Mar 24 01:35 |
| schestowitz | gn | Mar 24 01:38 |
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| tessier | http://dronebl.org/blog/8 | Mar 24 02:56 |
| tessier | Does this count as Linux worm? Even though it requires the admin to be actively stupid? | Mar 24 02:56 |
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| vida18 | http://www.prweb.com/releases/200... | Mar 24 06:50 |
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| schestowitz | Moin | Mar 24 07:46 |
| schestowitz | I think we overload the server again | Mar 24 08:02 |
| schestowitz | it's back,,but rocky | Mar 24 08:07 |
| schestowitz | The site did almost 5GB of traffic yesterday | Mar 24 08:07 |
| schestowitz | iPonzi scheme nets perpetrator 17 years < http://www.itwire.com/conten... > | Mar 24 08:21 |
| schestowitz | Yikes. Our server is overloaded | Mar 24 08:22 |
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| schestowitz | Father of Java warns of ‘culture clash’ if IBM buys Sun < http://www.businessreviewonline.com/os/archiv... > | Mar 24 08:24 |
| schestowitz | FT’s ‘Web-Ready’ Newsroom Plans: After 80 Layoffs, It’s Integration Time < http://www.paidcontent.co.uk/entry/419... > | Mar 24 08:27 |
| schestowitz | Sad, so sad: Meet menhaden - before this ecologically critical fish vanishes < http://www.ethicurean.com/2009/03/23/... > | Mar 24 08:28 |
| schestowitz | The Geithnerconomy and the New Cold War < http://blogs.harvardbusiness.org/h... >"Welcome to Looting 2.0. What does that financial system look like? In it, everything is a hedge fund. The Geithner economy is Milton Friedman's revenge from beyond the grave: it is one that puts the allocation of public resources in a very small number of almost totally hidden private hands." | Mar 24 08:29 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft will spend its way out of business... Why Microsoft Continues to Chase Internet Search < http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/20... > | Mar 24 08:40 |
| schestowitz | Suppression in Seoul: The Deadly Face of Development: Struggle Against Evictions in Korea < http://www.indymedia.org/en/2009/02... > | Mar 24 08:42 |
| schestowitz | "Even adult prisoners must not be tortured, because torture can easily force an innocent suspect into a false confession. (That's what torture is best for.)" http://www.stallman.org/archives/2009-... | Mar 24 08:43 |
| schestowitz | RMS says that London now bans organisation of more than 3 people: http://antimega.textdriven.com/antimega/2... | Mar 24 08:44 |
| schestowitz | http://www.prwatch.org/node/8289 NPR notes that "times could hardly be better at the Fox News Channel, the cable channel liberals love to hate. ... Ratings estimates from Nielsen Media Research indicate audience levels are up significantly - to extremely high levels for cable news - making Fox News among the highest rated of all basic cable channels..." | Mar 24 08:51 |
| schestowitz | "A recent article by Eyal Press examines the recession's harsh effect on the world of non-profit organizations; some speculate that 100,000 groups could go belly up." < http://www.prwatch.org/node/8290 > | Mar 24 08:52 |
| schestowitz | http://www.sutor.com/newsite/blo... "The lesson here is that even though I had set up redundant automatic processes, both failed. The first was due to mechanical error, the second probably due to human error (though the jury is still out on that one). Check your systems, check your assumptions, and don’t wait until a crisis to ensure that you have the backups you really need." | Mar 24 09:19 |
| schestowitz | Watch IBMers as they collect silly pieces of paper just to throw them in one big pile of monopolies for monopolies: http://www.sutor.com/newsite/blog-open/?p=3477 Who on Earth is this patent system FOR?? | Mar 24 09:20 |
| schestowitz | Sig of the times, another ship-jumping: http://www.pcworld.com/article/161788/son... | Mar 24 09:22 |
| schestowitz | New Linux released: http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/3/23/449 | Mar 24 09:24 |
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| schestowitz | sub-$200 sub-notebooks hurt Microsoft's profitability and add to Linux: http://www.bmighty.com/blog/main/a... | Mar 24 09:24 |
| schestowitz | April Fools' Day is no joke to Windows: Conficker to Phone Home on April Fools' Day < http://www.pcworld.com/article/161809/con... > | Mar 24 09:27 |
| trmanco | looool | Mar 24 09:31 |
| trmanco | what else is going to happen with conficker | Mar 24 09:31 |
| oiaohm | Wonder if the phone home includes upgrades. | Mar 24 09:32 |
| schestowitz | Hilarious picture here: http://spectrum.ieee.org/mar09/7909 (regarding USPTO going the wrong way) | Mar 24 09:33 |
| trmanco | http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_... -> new kernel, now with Tuz instead of Tux | Mar 24 09:37 |
| schestowitz | yes, posted a moment ago ;-) Playful beavers | Mar 24 09:38 |
| schestowitz | It would be nice to have codenames for kernels, a little like in Ubuntu. Makes it memorable. | Mar 24 09:38 |
| trmanco | wow, it already comes with WiMAX support | Mar 24 09:38 |
| schestowitz | Fedora has this too? | Mar 24 09:38 |
| trmanco | yes | Mar 24 09:38 |
| schestowitz | "So which kernel will Ubuntu come from?" | Mar 24 09:38 |
| trmanco | I only remember one though | Mar 24 09:38 |
| trmanco | Cambridge | Mar 24 09:39 |
| schestowitz | "The Cyclone kernel (Linux 2.6.30)!" | Mar 24 09:39 |
| trmanco | lol | Mar 24 09:39 |
| schestowitz | It's good marketing | Mar 24 09:39 |
| trmanco | Wanking kernel | Mar 24 09:39 |
| schestowitz | Gets rid of the numbering PR issue | Mar 24 09:39 |
| trmanco | it can't have kernel, it's too geeky | Mar 24 09:39 |
| schestowitz | Linux 2..6.27 was codenamed "masturbating monkeys" | Mar 24 09:39 |
| schestowitz | 2.6.28 was "wanking walruses" | Mar 24 09:39 |
| schestowitz | I told you it's good for marketing | Mar 24 09:39 |
| trmanco | Linux 2.6.27 codename "Aloha" | Mar 24 09:40 |
| schestowitz | Companies will be out in droves paying IBM to put masturbating monkeys on their mainframe | Mar 24 09:40 |
| trmanco | LOOOL | Mar 24 09:40 |
| trmanco | "So what is running on your mainframe" || "Ah, masturbating monkeys power that beast" | Mar 24 09:41 |
| oiaohm | 2,6.28 I though was erotic pickeled herring. I really | Mar 24 09:41 |
| trmanco | "Support of 4096 CPUs" | Mar 24 09:42 |
| trmanco | ah ok | Mar 24 09:42 |
| oiaohm | NAME entry in Linux source never appears in the final binary. | Mar 24 09:42 |
| trmanco | anybody need support for more? lets say 8192 | Mar 24 09:42 |
| oiaohm | PS 4096 CPUS is not enough any more. | Mar 24 09:43 |
| oiaohm | You can buy that in a single box. | Mar 24 09:43 |
| oiaohm | Maxable fittiable into a signle box is 32000 | Mar 24 09:43 |
| trmanco | those are not real cpu's | Mar 24 09:43 |
| trmanco | are they? | Mar 24 09:43 |
| MinceR | j0 | Mar 24 09:44 |
| schestowitz | "Support of 4096 CPUs" | Mar 24 09:44 |
| oiaohm | Did I say how big the box was. | Mar 24 09:44 |
| schestowitz | "4096 CPUs is enough for everyone" --Linus | Mar 24 09:44 |
| oiaohm | Think shipping container trmanco | Mar 24 09:44 |
| trmanco | ha ok | Mar 24 09:45 |
| schestowitz | Not a real quote. Spoof response to PearlyG | Mar 24 09:45 |
| trmanco | :-P | Mar 24 09:45 |
| oiaohm | Biggest server case you can buy is a shipping container. | Mar 24 09:46 |
| schestowitz | I was thinking... | Mar 24 09:46 |
| schestowitz | What's the nliklihood of Google buying Automattic? | Mar 24 09:46 |
| oiaohm | Yes 32000 CPU with UPS fits in a shipping container. | Mar 24 09:46 |
| schestowitz | It would make sense for them to own WordPress given that they bought other blogging networks like BLogger | Mar 24 09:46 |
| schestowitz | They would also have Gravatar for spying, which they love | Mar 24 09:46 |
| schestowitz | Gravatar is a good (bad) surveillance tool to them | Mar 24 09:47 |
| oiaohm | 4096 is about a bar fridge in size. | Mar 24 09:47 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: heat dispersion? | Mar 24 09:47 |
| oiaohm | Yep you could sit a 4096 core beside a desk no problems. | Mar 24 09:47 |
| schestowitz | SUN had a datacentre in a container | Mar 24 09:47 |
| schestowitz | Project Black Box, IIRC | Mar 24 09:48 |
| trmanco | lol | Mar 24 09:48 |
| schestowitz | Doesn't seem to have gone an ywhere | Mar 24 09:48 |
| schestowitz | I haven't heard of it in years | Mar 24 09:48 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: what CPU? | Mar 24 09:48 |
| oiaohm | Black Box is used by the red cross. | Mar 24 09:48 |
| schestowitz | ARM? | Mar 24 09:48 |
| trmanco | better put that container at a low sea level | Mar 24 09:48 |
| schestowitz | Intel would be too hot | Mar 24 09:48 |
| schestowitz | They are energy guzzling. | Mar 24 09:48 |
| oiaohm | Blackbox has very effective cooling. | Mar 24 09:48 |
| trmanco | what I meant is, bury the container underwater | Mar 24 09:49 |
| schestowitz | Cool! | Mar 24 09:49 |
| oiaohm | Google also uses releations to blackbox same with Microsoft. | Mar 24 09:49 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: we had load issues this morning | Mar 24 09:49 |
| schestowitz | HTTP daemon went down at one point as a result | Mar 24 09:49 |
| schestowitz | It's stabler now. | Mar 24 09:49 |
| oiaohm | So cache has helped just not enough | Mar 24 09:50 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: CPUs don't work well in water. Same with electricity. It's conductive. | Mar 24 09:50 |
| oiaohm | Or was it exceptional high load. | Mar 24 09:50 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: over 10 avg load | Mar 24 09:50 |
| oiaohm | Depends on how pure the water is schestowitz | Mar 24 09:50 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, find a way to isolate it, like a sub | Mar 24 09:50 |
| schestowitz | HTTP was highlighted in red | Mar 24 09:50 |
| schestowitz | And I worried it was us | Mar 24 09:50 |
| schestowitz | Though the MySQL load was not high | Mar 24 09:51 |
| oiaohm | 100 percent pure water is not conductive to heat or electricity. | Mar 24 09:51 |
| schestowitz | We did about 5GB of traffic yesterday | Mar 24 09:51 |
| schestowitz | And today it's the same pace | Mar 24 09:51 |
| oiaohm | So either it shorts out or it cooks. | Mar 24 09:51 |
| schestowitz | Do subs make their own energy (nuclear)? | Mar 24 09:51 |
| oiaohm | Google is planing on ships. | Mar 24 09:52 |
| trmanco | grrrrr, Gwibber don't crash on me :| | Mar 24 09:52 |
| schestowitz | And can satellite rely only on the Sun's energy? | Mar 24 09:52 |
| trmanco | it's hung :| | Mar 24 09:52 |
| schestowitz | gwibber? | Mar 24 09:52 |
| schestowitz | What's that? | Mar 24 09:52 |
| trmanco | yeah | Mar 24 09:52 |
| schestowitz | For identi.ca? | Mar 24 09:52 |
| schestowitz | I was looking for a desktop client. | Mar 24 09:52 |
| schestowitz | Didn't look much | Mar 24 09:52 |
| schestowitz | I use Konqueror for it | Mar 24 09:52 |
| trmanco | https://edge.launchpad.net/gwibber | Mar 24 09:52 |
| schestowitz | Not too convenient at all. | Mar 24 09:52 |
| schestowitz | It times out | Mar 24 09:53 |
| trmanco | using a pre-release version :| | Mar 24 09:53 |
| schestowitz | Let's see what's in 'Driva's repos | Mar 24 09:53 |
| trmanco | ok it really crashed | Mar 24 09:54 |
| trmanco | crap, there goes my linux kernel tweet | Mar 24 09:54 |
| oiaohm | Even had the fun of using ksplice trmanco | Mar 24 09:54 |
| schestowitz | Does Pindgin do microblogging? | Mar 24 09:55 |
| schestowitz | Identi.ca? | Mar 24 09:55 |
| schestowitz | *Pidgin. | Mar 24 09:55 |
| trmanco | oiaohm, already, wow, that's cool | Mar 24 09:55 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, yes, pidgin microblog | Mar 24 09:55 |
| trmanco | it's a plugin | Mar 24 09:55 |
| oiaohm | NAME = Erotic Pickled Herring << Yep that is 2.6.28 Linux kernel code name. | Mar 24 09:57 |
| trmanco | ah, it worked now | Mar 24 09:57 |
| trmanco | LOL | Mar 24 09:58 |
| oiaohm | Now how do you get a Erotic Pickled Herring is a really tricky question. | Mar 24 09:58 |
| schestowitz | Yuck. | Mar 24 09:58 |
| schestowitz | http://beans.seartipy.com/2008/07/28/wi... | Mar 24 09:58 |
| schestowitz | http://beans.seartipy.com/2008/07/28... | Mar 24 09:58 |
| schestowitz | C#, Microsoft stuff... identi.ca +MS?? | Mar 24 09:59 |
| trmanco | haha c# | Mar 24 10:00 |
| trmanco | omf | Mar 24 10:00 |
| trmanco | why c# | Mar 24 10:00 |
| trmanco | ... | Mar 24 10:00 |
| schestowitz | http://shegeeks.net/gwibber-the-... "Looks pretty neat to me. This is in the works by Ryan Paul of Ars Technica. Good work Paul and I hope to see this released soon." | Mar 24 10:01 |
| schestowitz | Wait | Mar 24 10:01 |
| schestowitz | Ryan Paul is the dev? | Mar 24 10:01 |
| schestowitz | He's a mono/opensuse fan | Mar 24 10:01 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, https://twitter.com/glynmoody... | Mar 24 10:01 |
| oiaohm | gwibber is coded in python. | Mar 24 10:02 |
| trmanco | Ryan Paul is a Gwibber dev | Mar 24 10:02 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/segphault | Mar 24 10:02 |
| trmanco | well, he registered Gwibber | Mar 24 10:02 |
| oiaohm | https://launchpad.net/gwibber << project home. | Mar 24 10:02 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: let's see how stable it is | Mar 24 10:03 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, grabbing source? | Mar 24 10:03 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I know. | Mar 24 10:04 |
| schestowitz | They point to repos | Mar 24 10:04 |
| schestowitz | No Mandriva | Mar 24 10:04 |
| schestowitz | Never mind, I'll wait | Mar 24 10:04 |
| trmanco | http://identi.ca/group/ie8 | Mar 24 10:05 |
| trmanco | InternetExplorer v.8 still shit | Mar 24 10:05 |
| schestowitz | Goodbye Ubuntu 7.10 < http://news.softpedia.com/news/Good... >. My other machine at home still runs 7.04 :-o | Mar 24 10:05 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: it is | Mar 24 10:05 |
| *oiaohm gives schestowitz a block of c4 to send it to god. | Mar 24 10:06 | |
| trmanco | 7.04 was my first one | Mar 24 10:06 |
| schestowitz | Mine was 4.10 | Mar 24 10:06 |
| trmanco | I really mean, first Linux distro ever | Mar 24 10:07 |
| schestowitz | Mine was Red Hat | Mar 24 10:07 |
| schestowitz | with KDE2 | Mar 24 10:07 |
| schestowitz | I'm doing a full server backup. it's awfully slow today. | Mar 24 10:10 |
| oiaohm | http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/wp-con... Now there is the time line of early Linux distributions. | Mar 24 10:12 |
| oiaohm | Some of them I have never used. | Mar 24 10:12 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HW... | Mar 24 10:14 |
| trmanco | Mozilla is using Ubuntu | Mar 24 10:18 |
| trmanco | http://l10n.mozilla.org/pt-PT/ | Mar 24 10:19 |
| schestowitz | Murdoch press sickens me. Repugnance. | Mar 24 10:20 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L... | Mar 24 10:20 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: Firefox team uses Centos, I thought | Mar 24 10:20 |
| trmanco | that is the l10n server | Mar 24 10:21 |
| schestowitz | The whaaa? | Mar 24 10:22 |
| trmanco | localization | Mar 24 10:23 |
| trmanco | i18n | Mar 24 10:23 |
| trmanco | internationalization | Mar 24 10:23 |
| oiaohm | Ok go looking for the russian z80 running a web server sometime. | Mar 24 10:23 |
| trmanco | uh? | Mar 24 10:24 |
| oiaohm | Yes one hosting company maps there CPU type and os decription to something running on a z80 | Mar 24 10:24 |
| oiaohm | Its supprising simple to have web servers say anything. | Mar 24 10:24 |
| trmanco | this-> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zilog_Z80 ? | Mar 24 10:26 |
| oiaohm | Note the cpu is not really a z80 | Mar 24 10:26 |
| oiaohm | And the OS is not really a OS running on a Z80 | Mar 24 10:26 |
| oiaohm | They just set up the webserver to report that. | Mar 24 10:27 |
| oiaohm | So far I have not found a web server reporting as a c64 yet. | Mar 24 10:28 |
| trmanco | :| | Mar 24 10:28 |
| MinceR | 110604 < oiaohm> NAME = Erotic Pickled Herring << Yep that is 2.6.28 Linux kernel code name. | Mar 24 10:29 |
| MinceR | what file is that in? | Mar 24 10:29 |
| oiaohm | The main Makefile of Linux kernel source. | Mar 24 10:30 |
| oiaohm | NAME = Temporary Tasmanian Devil << is 2.6.29 code name. It even has a changed logo. | Mar 24 10:31 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 24 10:32 |
| oiaohm | I hope Tuz sticks around | Mar 24 10:33 |
| schestowitz | Wow. So weird.. turns out that Firefox doesn't like ":[" before the end of a table element. Any explanation? | Mar 24 10:34 |
| schestowitz | Maybe some emoticon code is causing it though. | Mar 24 10:34 |
| oiaohm | http://i.zdnet.com/blogs/tuz-logo.png << tuz | Mar 24 10:34 |
| MinceR | they said Tuz will only be the official logo for one release | Mar 24 10:36 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: for a moment I thought you said changelogo | Mar 24 10:36 |
| oiaohm | Yes I know but I like the logo. | Mar 24 10:37 |
| oiaohm | I will be pushing for Tuz to remain as a optional logo. | Mar 24 10:37 |
| oiaohm | Maybe Australian bias. | Mar 24 10:37 |
| MinceR | i prefer Tux but i don't mind the temporary logo as long as it's temporary. :) | Mar 24 10:38 |
| oiaohm | Really I should like Tux more thinking the selection of a penguin was causes by an australian event. | Mar 24 10:40 |
| oiaohm | When a penguin here took a bit out of Linus. | Mar 24 10:40 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 24 10:40 |
| oiaohm | Yes one of the smallest penguins in the world does not fear biting humans if they get the chance. | Mar 24 10:40 |
| schestowitz | Someone from ZDNet mailed me re Novell | Mar 24 10:42 |
| oiaohm | What section of ZDNet | Mar 24 10:45 |
| oiaohm | Uk and AU branches are starting to turn on Novell. | Mar 24 10:45 |
| MinceR | m$ money dried up? :> | Mar 24 10:46 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes | Mar 24 10:48 |
| schestowitz | But US | Mar 24 10:48 |
| schestowitz | IBM | Mar 24 10:48 |
| oiaohm | M$ money is drying up. | Mar 24 10:49 |
| oiaohm | The cheep XP on netbooks was ment to be a sourched earth move. | Mar 24 10:49 |
| oiaohm | Its lasting a little longer than MS expected. Now they have to work out how to get out of it. | Mar 24 10:49 |
| schestowitz | bingo | Mar 24 10:53 |
| schestowitz | they push upwards | Mar 24 10:54 |
| schestowitz | asus goes up to $999 (AUD) | Mar 24 10:54 |
| schestowitz | ARM MOVES TO gbp99 | Mar 24 10:54 |
| schestowitz | MS needs people to start buying notebooks, not sub-notebooks | Mar 24 10:55 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft may be losing money on each sub-notebooks sold | Mar 24 10:55 |
| schestowitz | But it tries to prevent Linux critical mass on the desktop | Mar 24 10:55 |
| oiaohm | Thinking Linux was not technically ready for the desktop. | Mar 24 10:56 |
| oiaohm | Due to some design flaws. | Mar 24 10:56 |
| schestowitz | no | Mar 24 10:56 |
| schestowitz | it knew | Mar 24 10:56 |
| *schestowitz eats | Mar 24 10:56 | |
| schestowitz | ms knew it was reasy | Mar 24 10:56 |
| oiaohm | Personally I think MS tried sourched earth too soon. | Mar 24 10:57 |
| schestowitz | watch comes docs | Mar 24 10:57 |
| schestowitz | they tro to de-commoditise everything | Mar 24 10:57 |
| schestowitz | .net, silver sh*te... | Mar 24 10:57 |
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| oiaohm | They sourched it before a group of haters could form that could be abused into the future. | Mar 24 10:57 |
| schestowitz | else firefox is all one needs | Mar 24 10:57 |
| oiaohm | If that is the case Linux embeded in motherboad is all anyone one needs. | Mar 24 10:58 |
| schestowitz | Not anyone, but.... | Mar 24 11:05 |
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| schestowitz | To most people, less is more and browser will almost suffice (Gmail, facebooks, etc). Skype seems like a popular inclusion also. | Mar 24 11:05 |
| schestowitz | "Server Load 7.16 (4 cpus)" | Mar 24 11:05 |
| schestowitz | Obama's Justice Department intervenes on side of RIAA in SONY BMG Music Entertainment v. Tenenbaum < http://recordingindustryvspeople.blo... > | Mar 24 11:08 |
| schestowitz | So it's true. RIP. Requiem for a frog: SpiralFrog shuts down < http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-102... > | Mar 24 11:10 |
| schestowitz | IBM + Sun: Bad for FOSS? < http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/IBM--... >. what do you think? | Mar 24 11:11 |
| schestowitz | I know what I'd /like/ to believe, but it's a two-sided coin. | Mar 24 11:11 |
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| schestowitz | Does the European Commission Harbour Microsoft's Destruction of a Free/Open Source Software Workgroup? :: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03... | Mar 24 13:40 |
| _Hicham_ | Roy : what do u think of Go-OO? | Mar 24 14:17 |
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| _Hicham_ | everybody is sleeping... | Mar 24 14:28 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: just got back | Mar 24 14:32 |
| schestowitz | Go-OOXML is problem | Mar 24 14:32 |
| _Hicham_ | why Roy? | Mar 24 14:34 |
| _Hicham_ | it has better support for OOXML | Mar 24 14:34 |
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| schestowitz | It's a trap | Mar 24 14:35 |
| schestowitz | Control, mono, and so on | Mar 24 14:35 |
| schestowitz | We wrote about it a lot in BN. Search the site (using Google) for "go-oo" | Mar 24 14:36 |
| _Hicham_ | it doesn't ship any mono libraries | Mar 24 14:36 |
| schestowitz | One person mailed me 2 hours ago. | Mar 24 14:36 |
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| schestowitz | He says: "!!! and just look at what popped up in my inbox !!! ... !!! what a co-incidence !!!" | Mar 24 14:36 |
| schestowitz | "Novell announces first open source implementation of Microsoft Silverlight" [...] “We have worked with the Moonlight team and Novell to enable interoperability between Windows and Linux platforms and extend the high-quality interactive Web and video experience for the benefit of the Linux community.” | Mar 24 14:37 |
| schestowitz | [...] "Windows Media Video (.wmv), Windows Media Audio (.wma) and MP3 files are supported through the Microsoft Media Pack, a Microsoft-delivered set of media codecs that brings optimized and licensed decoders to every Linux user using Moonlight" | Mar 24 14:37 |
| schestowitz | It's in http://www.novell.com/news/pres... | Mar 24 14:37 |
| schestowitz | The following should be born in mind where it applies to Go-OO: | Mar 24 14:37 |
| schestowitz | "What's happening here: | Mar 24 14:37 |
| schestowitz | "Version one: MS and Novell work on interoperability for the benefit of the Linux community." | Mar 24 14:37 |
| schestowitz | "Version two: MS infects Open Source with the NovoSOFT patent covenant, Mono, dot.NET and MS codecs." | Mar 24 14:37 |
| _Hicham_ | well, for me I see the problem with devs | Mar 24 14:39 |
| _Hicham_ | not users | Mar 24 14:39 |
| _Hicham_ | coz this things benefits for users | Mar 24 14:39 |
| _Hicham_ | Linux can't gain a market share without usable internet | Mar 24 14:39 |
| _Hicham_ | and Silverlight is gaining through the market | Mar 24 14:39 |
| ushimitsudoki | linux has done nothing but gain market share since day one | Mar 24 14:40 |
| _Hicham_ | last time u remember, the person who wanted to watch the nba games | Mar 24 14:40 |
| ushimitsudoki | so please keep those tired-ass arguments out | Mar 24 14:40 |
| _Hicham_ | I know | Mar 24 14:40 |
| ushimitsudoki | linux has perfectly usable internet - whatever that means - without silverlight | Mar 24 14:40 |
| _Hicham_ | they are not tired-ass arguments ushimitsudoki | Mar 24 14:41 |
| _Hicham_ | it is the truth | Mar 24 14:41 |
| ushimitsudoki | its not true | Mar 24 14:41 |
| ushimitsudoki | it is trolling or ignorance. just haven't decided which one | Mar 24 14:41 |
| ushimitsudoki | i suspect trolling | Mar 24 14:41 |
| _Hicham_ | some websites are using Silverlight more and more | Mar 24 14:41 |
| ushimitsudoki | so? | Mar 24 14:41 |
| ushimitsudoki | some websites are using chinese more and more | Mar 24 14:41 |
| ushimitsudoki | does that mean anything? | Mar 24 14:41 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: I agree with ushimitsudoki | Mar 24 14:42 |
| ushimitsudoki | you imply that linux has no usable internet - again whatever that means - without silverlight support | Mar 24 14:42 |
| schestowitz | Nothing is achieved when you reinforce Silver Lie | Mar 24 14:42 |
| ushimitsudoki | that is pure fallacy | Mar 24 14:42 |
| schestowitz | You merely make the problem even bigger | Mar 24 14:42 |
| schestowitz | We defeated ActiveX | Mar 24 14:42 |
| schestowitz | Mozilla made some plugin for it | Mar 24 14:42 |
| schestowitz | Fortunately it sort of got pulled, IIRC | Mar 24 14:42 |
| ushimitsudoki | refine your argument if you like, but the way it's stated is invalid/trolligh/tired-ass/whatever | Mar 24 14:42 |
| schestowitz | To embrace a non-standard Web is to give it to Windows | Mar 24 14:43 |
| schestowitz | ActoveX = Windows | Mar 24 14:43 |
| schestowitz | Or pay Microsoft for some UNIX plugins that hardly work | Mar 24 14:43 |
| _Hicham_ | ushimitosudoki, internet is usable without silverlight for the moment | Mar 24 14:43 |
| _Hicham_ | I say for the moment | Mar 24 14:43 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: I was never blocked by Silver Lie | Mar 24 14:43 |
| schestowitz | Nothing that I needed | Mar 24 14:43 |
| schestowitz | I don't care for Channel | Mar 24 14:43 |
| ushimitsudoki | for the moment? | Mar 24 14:43 |
| _Hicham_ | because flash is dominating | Mar 24 14:43 |
| schestowitz | Channel 9 | Mar 24 14:43 |
| schestowitz | Also, Silver Lie gains no traction | Mar 24 14:44 |
| ushimitsudoki | you think the internet will become majority silverlight? | Mar 24 14:44 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft pays for some contracts and then pretends it was chosen | Mar 24 14:44 |
| ushimitsudoki | the days of non-standard web pages is dying | Mar 24 14:44 |
| schestowitz | Library of Congress is one example | Mar 24 14:44 |
| _Hicham_ | I don't know | Mar 24 14:44 |
| schestowitz | I bet Obama ingururation was another | Mar 24 14:44 |
| schestowitz | You can tell by the PR they issue | Mar 24 14:44 |
| ushimitsudoki | web designers no longer make "this site best viewed in..." pages as a general rule. instead more and more code to the standard | Mar 24 14:44 |
| schestowitz | And the dunces like Foley and Fried jump about making noise about it | Mar 24 14:44 |
| _Hicham_ | Microsoft is playing the Web Standards with its IE8 | Mar 24 14:44 |
| ushimitsudoki | no it is not | Mar 24 14:45 |
| schestowitz | It's not | Mar 24 14:45 |
| schestowitz | IE8 is trouble | Mar 24 14:45 |
| schestowitz | I can show you articles | Mar 24 14:45 |
| schestowitz | It's being slammed by developers too | Mar 24 14:45 |
| _Hicham_ | I tested it, and I found it full of trouble too | Mar 24 14:45 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft may be doing the best it can *now* | Mar 24 14:45 |
| schestowitz | Having deliberately broken the Web | Mar 24 14:45 |
| schestowitz | Comes exhibits show this too | Mar 24 14:46 |
| schestowitz | ushimitsudoki saw them | Mar 24 14:46 |
| schestowitz | Now they lift their hands and pretend to be victims | Mar 24 14:46 |
| _Hicham_ | but Windows XP is still dominating the Market | Mar 24 14:46 |
| ushimitsudoki | so what? | Mar 24 14:46 |
| schestowitz | "but we support standards..." | Mar 24 14:46 |
| _Hicham_ | followed by Windows Vista | Mar 24 14:46 |
| ushimitsudoki | again, so what? | Mar 24 14:46 |
| schestowitz | And spinners that Microsoft has in the press play along | Mar 24 14:46 |
| schestowitz | Gavin Clarke and the likes of him.. | Mar 24 14:46 |
| _Hicham_ | we all support standards | Mar 24 14:46 |
| ushimitsudoki | linux is not designed to be the most popular operating system in the market | Mar 24 14:46 |
| ushimitsudoki | no one who knows anything about linux ever claims it is or should be | Mar 24 14:47 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: mobile devices access sites too | Mar 24 14:47 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: the Ubuntu mentality is risky | Mar 24 14:47 |
| schestowitz | #1 bug in Ubuntu says it all | Mar 24 14:47 |
| schestowitz | It's about world domination, not freedom | Mar 24 14:47 |
| _Hicham_ | ushimitsudoki : I don't agree that Linux is not designed to be popular | Mar 24 14:47 |
| schestowitz | And I knew almost 2 years ago that Shuttleworth quietly spoke to MS about codecs | Mar 24 14:47 |
| schestowitz | He wants bigger pie | Mar 24 14:48 |
| schestowitz | At what expense? | Mar 24 14:48 |
| ushimitsudoki | _Hicham_: is your last name Torvalds? | Mar 24 14:48 |
| ushimitsudoki | If it's not I don't care if you agree or not | Mar 24 14:48 |
| schestowitz | Screwing Fedora while giving users Moon Lie? | Mar 24 14:48 |
| schestowitz | RMS had this dilemma in the 1990s | Mar 24 14:48 |
| schestowitz | Distros wanted to give users binary goodies | Mar 24 14:48 |
| schestowitz | Like Adobe Reader out of the box | Mar 24 14:48 |
| schestowitz | The Free distros couldn't compete | Mar 24 14:48 |
| _Hicham_ | Well, they just can't | Mar 24 14:49 |
| _Hicham_ | there is Mandriva for example | Mar 24 14:49 |
| _Hicham_ | it comes with a lot of blobs | Mar 24 14:49 |
| schestowitz | Because some people enable this to happen | Mar 24 14:49 |
| schestowitz | It's an issue | Mar 24 14:49 |
| schestowitz | Chicken and egg | Mar 24 14:49 |
| schestowitz | It becomes harder when people are told Linux is "Cheap" | Mar 24 14:49 |
| _Hicham_ | it is unfair competition | Mar 24 14:49 |
| schestowitz | and they migrate to it not only for the right reasons | Mar 24 14:49 |
| schestowitz | We don't need another OS X called "Linux OS" | Mar 24 14:50 |
| schestowitz | That would achieve nothing | Mar 24 14:50 |
| _Hicham_ | well, it is not about being cheap | Mar 24 14:50 |
| schestowitz | [H]omer wrote about it recently | Mar 24 14:50 |
| schestowitz | The ESR vision : winning without winning | Mar 24 14:50 |
| _Hicham_ | being free and being cheap are different things | Mar 24 14:50 |
| _Hicham_ | RMS talked about that | Mar 24 14:50 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: yes, Mandriva comes with binary drivers and Flash also | Mar 24 14:50 |
| _Hicham_ | well, what if it ever happens that .NET got out of Microsoft hands? | Mar 24 14:53 |
| _Hicham_ | if it ever become an open source standard | Mar 24 14:53 |
| MinceR | far from enough | Mar 24 14:53 |
| _Hicham_ | uncontrolled by microsoft | Mar 24 14:53 |
| schestowitz | Heh. http://twitter.com/glynmoody/... "Boycott Novell is building a wiki - http://bit.ly/b3LHJ smart move to consolidate the site's info" | Mar 24 14:53 |
| _Hicham_ | like Java | Mar 24 14:53 |
| MinceR | it must become a _free_ standard | Mar 24 14:54 |
| MinceR | (implying that all applying patents are also free) | Mar 24 14:54 |
| schestowitz | Like Python | Mar 24 14:54 |
| _Hicham_ | yes, that is what I want to say | Mar 24 14:54 |
| _Hicham_ | yes | Mar 24 14:54 |
| _Hicham_ | and I think that Microsoft might make that move | Mar 24 14:54 |
| MinceR | then it will be an alternative to java -- i can't tell if it will be better or worse | Mar 24 14:54 |
| _Hicham_ | because they are having a big shift in their strategy | Mar 24 14:54 |
| schestowitz | "Twitter is over capacity." | Mar 24 14:54 |
| MinceR | than java, that is | Mar 24 14:55 |
| schestowitz | MinceR/ _Hicham_ no real shift in strategy | Mar 24 14:55 |
| schestowitz | They have internal struggles | Mar 24 14:55 |
| MinceR | i didn't expect one | Mar 24 14:55 |
| schestowitz | Asay told me privately | Mar 24 14:55 |
| schestowitz | Part of MS want to change | Mar 24 14:56 |
| schestowitz | Others resist | Mar 24 14:56 |
| MinceR | i think m$ will shift 6 feet under ground before it will shift strategy | Mar 24 14:56 |
| schestowitz | Some want to befriend OSS (for Windows) | Mar 24 14:56 |
| schestowitz | Others sued this and that | Mar 24 14:56 |
| ushimitsudoki | a shift in -PR- strategy maybe | Mar 24 14:56 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Mar 24 14:56 |
| schestowitz | Image makeover | Mar 24 14:56 |
| schestowitz | "Open" XML | Mar 24 14:56 |
| MinceR | "befriending OSS" for windows only is not befriending OSS | Mar 24 14:56 |
| schestowitz | "Open" promise | Mar 24 14:56 |
| MinceR | it's pretty much the same thing as sun is doing | Mar 24 14:56 |
| schestowitz | The "new" Microsof | Mar 24 14:56 |
| schestowitz | t[which sues for FAT] | Mar 24 14:56 |
| _Hicham_ | MS is smart | Mar 24 14:56 |
| MinceR | no they're not | Mar 24 14:57 |
| schestowitz | They are | Mar 24 14:57 |
| MinceR | they've jumped into the death spiral quite willingly | Mar 24 14:57 |
| schestowitz | Like a fox | Mar 24 14:57 |
| _Hicham_ | those are just some dumb ass-managers | Mar 24 14:57 |
| schestowitz | Shrewd | Mar 24 14:57 |
| MinceR | and those dumbass managers are in control of the company | Mar 24 14:57 |
| schestowitz | Always up to screwing you somehow | Mar 24 14:57 |
| schestowitz | And they get away with collusion | Mar 24 14:57 |
| MinceR | they've built an entire business model on something that couldn't last | Mar 24 14:57 |
| MinceR | (monopoly over the OS market) | Mar 24 14:57 |
| schestowitz | Watch the Vista "capable" suit | Mar 24 14:57 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: it could last | Mar 24 14:58 |
| MinceR | they have no goodwill, everyone with a shred of clue hates them | Mar 24 14:58 |
| schestowitz | Had it not been for people's understanding | Mar 24 14:58 |
| schestowitz | As PJ says, "people are not as stupid as MS needs them to be" | Mar 24 14:58 |
| _Hicham_ | more and more people are downgrading to XP | Mar 24 14:58 |
| schestowitz | Many devs were betrayed by MS and they tell their story | Mar 24 14:58 |
| schestowitz | So people are generally aware of public cases like Netscape | Mar 24 14:58 |
| MinceR | well, people are extremely stupid -- from these it follows that m$ expected people to be supernaturally stupid | Mar 24 14:58 |
| schestowitz | The not-so-tech-saavy crowd is aware that Microsoft commited crimes | Mar 24 14:59 |
| _Hicham_ | there is some open source initiatives inside MS | Mar 24 14:59 |
| schestowitz | But not in these words | Mar 24 14:59 |
| MinceR | doesn't sound smart at all | Mar 24 14:59 |
| _Hicham_ | take WTL for example | Mar 24 14:59 |
| MinceR | well, they keep lying that they like FLOSS | Mar 24 14:59 |
| _Hicham_ | WTL was released to be free at first | Mar 24 14:59 |
| schestowitz | They like 'their' FOSS | Mar 24 14:59 |
| MinceR | even while trying to crush it | Mar 24 14:59 |
| schestowitz | ms-pl | Mar 24 14:59 |
| schestowitz | Windows-only | Mar 24 14:59 |
| MinceR | and not understanding what it is | Mar 24 14:59 |
| schestowitz | Silver Lie | Mar 24 14:59 |
| schestowitz | Etc. | Mar 24 14:59 |
| _Hicham_ | but after, they made a big shift | Mar 24 14:59 |
| schestowitz | They redefine it | Mar 24 14:59 |
| schestowitz | To suit their sales goals. | Mar 24 15:00 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: they were drawn into it kicking and screaming, i doubt they like the situation | Mar 24 15:00 |
| _Hicham_ | WTL is based on ATL libraries | Mar 24 15:00 |
| schestowitz | They call anti-Linux people "open source strategist" | Mar 24 15:00 |
| schestowitz | You saw that job posting in January.... | Mar 24 15:00 |
| _Hicham_ | but ATL libraries are not free since Windows SDK 2008 | Mar 24 15:00 |
| _Hicham_ | so WTL is Open Source but not really free of cost | Mar 24 15:01 |
| _Hicham_ | i see the real problem in Mono in development | Mar 24 15:04 |
| _Hicham_ | not in binary compatibility | Mar 24 15:05 |
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| _Hicham_ | the problem is that they invite people to develop in .NET | Mar 24 15:05 |
| schestowitz | Scrapping ID cards 'would cost €£40m' < http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/polit... > | Mar 24 15:06 |
| _Hicham_ | which is the real threat | Mar 24 15:06 |
| _Hicham_ | and I think that they stole some code from SharpDevelop, which is available in Windows | Mar 24 15:06 |
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| MinceR | it would be no real threat if it was really free and portable | Mar 24 15:09 |
| MinceR | just like people developing in C++ using Qt are no threat | Mar 24 15:09 |
| MinceR | and just like people developing in Java are no threat | Mar 24 15:09 |
| _Hicham_ | but developing in .NET is a threat | Mar 24 15:12 |
| schestowitz | Check this out: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-1020... | Mar 24 15:12 |
