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schestowitzEssentially, Silicon Valley startups are borrowing money from China now (through the borrowing chain)May 06 13:54
oiaohmhttp://www.khronos.org/  All the core opengl are licenced to this group iwmwMay 06 13:55
schestowitzHmmmmmmmm... http://boycottnovell.com/2009/... to avoid Godwin's law I ought to have clarified that the "digs and Chinese" thing is the reference here.. I heard that the British used to have some signs in their premises back in the imperial days.May 06 13:57
oiaohmIts a pitty with the 2002 case iwmw that MS woke up before doing a SCO.May 06 13:57
schestowitzhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/b... "Cuil, set up by some ex-Google employees, raised a pile of money and a good deal of publicity last year, promising more detailed results, but has since faded from view. "May 06 13:58
schestowitzThis article comes from a MSFTerMay 06 13:58
schestowitzI suspect it's a little Google hostile, but I didn't read the whole thingMay 06 13:58
oiaohmSGI had transfered them the right to use and on licence the patents.   But had kept the rights to use and licence the patents as they saw fit.   This includes allowing opengl something they invented to keep on using them.May 06 13:58
schestowitzMS wants to dethrone Google based on public distrustMay 06 13:59
schestowitz"Google spies on you"May 06 13:59
schestowitz"Google will devour your kids"May 06 13:59
schestowitz"Google is pedo stuff..."May 06 13:59
oiaohmNeeds to be mirrored back.May 06 13:59
schestowitzYesterday it was "taliban"May 06 13:59
schestowitzMicrosoft hope that people will boycott GoogleMay 06 13:59
schestowitzIt's all it has leftMay 06 13:59
oiaohmJust like ODF failure needs to be turned around to be a lack of developer problems in MS.May 06 13:59
oiaohmTurn it into a nice fear play so MS attempted gain becomes there loss.May 06 14:00
schestowitzRory Cellan-Jones : Searching for another GoogleMay 06 14:00
schestowitzTakehome message (from this known friend of Microsoft): we need to look beyond Google for searchMay 06 14:00
iwmwoiaohm: thanks, at least i can feel safe about open glMay 06 14:02
oiaohmReally SGI was hoping MS would fall hook line and sinker for it.May 06 14:02
oiaohmOnce you have started legal action getting out of it can be a major problem as SCO is finding out.May 06 14:03
iwmwhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/20...May 06 14:06
trmancohttp://blog.linuxtoday.com/blo...May 06 14:19
schestowitzheh.May 06 14:36
schestowitzSimilar to a post I made this morningMay 06 14:36
schestowitzQuoting GreyGeekMay 06 14:37
trmanco:)May 06 14:37
schestowitzNew from PR Watch: http://www.prwatch.org/node/8361May 06 14:37
schestowitzNew Advertising Trend: Fake "Public Service" Ads < http://www.prwatch.org/node/8366 >May 06 14:38
twitterI wonder if the word on M$'s campus is, "Use Google and we will fire you."May 06 14:41
schestowitzPR Watch might have to call it quits :-( http://www.prwatch.org/node/8360May 06 14:41
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trmancoGnote 0.3.1May 06 14:48
trmancohttp://mail.gnome.org/archives/f...May 06 14:48
trmancocheck the nice fixesMay 06 14:49
trmanco:DMay 06 14:49
iwmwsounds like a deep betaMay 06 15:00
trmancololMay 06 15:03
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schestowitztrmanco: yes, I messaged you about it earlierMay 06 15:29
trmancohere on irc? I probably wasn't connected to my bouncerMay 06 15:29
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twittereveryone needs money, PR watch included.  note that they are hiring on the same page, http://www.prwatch.org/ed_searchMay 06 15:32
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Carl_Rover2k12hear yee hear yee the FTC along with the DoD is doing M$'s handy work by suing Apple and Google for collaborating while Novell and Gentoo relationship walk freeMay 06 15:50
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schestowitzHi, Carl_Rover2k12 May 06 15:59
schestowitzI was just writing an interesting post about the drug industryMay 06 15:59
Carl_Rover2k12schestowitz: hey, did you hear about the FTC filing an anti-trust suite against Apple and Google for colaborating?May 06 15:59
schestowitzGoogle and AppleMay 06 15:59
schestowitzTwo birds with one stone for the VoleMay 06 16:00
Carl_Rover2k12schestowitz: yepMay 06 16:00
schestowitzThe FTC has history with the VoleMay 06 16:00
schestowitzSearch BN for FTCMay 06 16:00
schestowitzCarl_Rover2k12: what has Groklaw picked by now?May 06 16:00
schestowitzI hardly read News Picks there anymore. No time, too much legal newsMay 06 16:00
Carl_Rover2k12schestowitz: actually I picked it up on another hyperlinking blog, SlashdotMay 06 16:01
Carl_Rover2k12schestowitz: oh I see, FTC is moving to help soften the blow of SCO on M$May 06 16:02
EruaranhelloMay 06 16:02
EruaranI did something i probably shouldn't have done earlierMay 06 16:02
schestowitzCarl_Rover2k12: SCO?May 06 16:02
EruaranI commented on /.May 06 16:02
schestowitzWhere?May 06 16:02
schestowitzEruaran: what's it about?May 06 16:03
Eruaranoh just some responses to other commentsMay 06 16:03
Eruaranbut...May 06 16:03
Eruaranyou know, if you comment on /.May 06 16:03
Eruaranthere's no telling how deep the rabbit hole will go ;)May 06 16:03
Carl_Rover2k12schestowitz: its on the front page of GroklawMay 06 16:07
Carl_Rover2k12nothing to do with what I stated before, sorry :PMay 06 16:08
schestowitzThe Pharmaceutical Cartel http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/...May 06 16:09
*schestowitz looks at GLMay 06 16:10
schestowitzCarl_Rover2k12: she didn't do an article on itMay 06 16:10
schestowitz"U.S. Trustee Moves to Convert SCO Bankruptcy to Chapter 7 - Updated"May 06 16:11
schestowitz"SCO Responds to Gray's Proposed Amicus Brief"May 06 16:11
schestowitzI'll just drop a coupla' sentences as a placeholder anywayMay 06 16:11
Carl_Rover2k12schestowitz: yea, the first one you stated was written by tux apparentlyMay 06 16:13
Carl_Rover2k12schestowitz: btw, Realtors seem to be doing their own parody of Pharma PR campaigns by hosting mock news alerts on TVMay 06 16:13
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schestowitzA one-sentence explanation of background for the FTC lawsuit: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05...May 06 16:34
schestowitzWatch this from Mercola about swine flu: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/a...May 06 16:38
schestowitzMy submission is missing: http://www.epo.org/patents/appeals/eba...May 06 16:41
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schestowitzThe MS cartel is filling Twitter with ODF propaganda, stillMay 06 16:46
trmancoSafari, Opera Users Lag Behind in Security Updates: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/securi...May 06 16:51
schestowitzMore Vista7 failures: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/new... May 06 16:53
schestowitzI love this one:May 06 16:53
schestowitz"During a demonstration at CES of their new Eee Netbook range, featuring Windows 7 touch screen technology, the company twice failed to get their new Netbook to work with the screen freezing as executives tried to demonstrate new models." http://www.channelnews.com.au/Sales_A...May 06 16:53
schestowitzWatch what MS did to ASUSMay 06 16:54
schestowitz"ASUS Walloped As Profits Crash 94%  "May 06 16:54
schestowitzOh YEAH!May 06 16:54
schestowitzLiaising with Microsoft really paid off for them.May 06 16:54
schestowitztrmanco: I wouldn't have posted about gnote to USENET because it's repetitive,but it's good that you do this. I guess it's a minor release anywayMay 06 16:56
schestowitzIt's not too useful to call it "Experimental"May 06 16:56
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schestowitzAs if to say it might be called off or somethingMay 06 16:56
trmancowhy notMay 06 16:56
schestowitzit's being bundled alreadyMay 06 16:56
trmancohave you seen the troll replies?May 06 16:56
schestowitz18075 pageviews in BN in the past 12 hours. Maybe cause I did 14 posts todayMay 06 16:57
trmancowell, the "experimental" state is still what is one the official pageMay 06 16:57
schestowitztrmanco: no, haven't seen trollsMay 06 16:57
trmancoon*May 06 16:57
schestowitzThey are becoming pathetic and rudeMay 06 16:57
schestowitzThis means they totally lose itMay 06 16:57
Carl_Rover2k12schestowitz: but crashing during presentations is pretty normal in the Windows worldMay 06 16:57
trmancokernel hacker and fishy boy are replying to each otherMay 06 16:57
schestowitzThe trolls are like VistaMay 06 16:57
schestowitzThey are fat, unlikable and not stable or reliableMay 06 16:58
schestowitzCarl_Rover2k12: at least there were no BSODsMay 06 16:58
schestowitzLike in win98May 06 16:58
schestowitz"now we'll plug in a new printer..."May 06 16:58
trmancomr. kernel hacker also stated that he couldn't find gnote's page on google, whereas it's on the first pageMay 06 16:59
trmancofirst ten entries*May 06 16:59
schestowitzQook doesn't use GoogleMay 06 16:59
schestowitzhe's among the minority of MS employees who use MSMay 06 16:59
schestowitz*MSNMay 06 16:59
schestowitzWhat Net neutrality and bandwidth caps may really be for: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/new...May 06 17:01
trmancoMy drive is failing... or not: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/... Fedora gets smartMay 06 17:03
trmancoAnother user moves to Gnote, removes Mono from his system too -> http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/2...May 06 17:04
trmancoSystray finally in action (KDE): http://www.notmart.org/index...May 06 17:08
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trmancoIf mono brings doubt, moonlight sheds light: http://nocturn.vsbnet.be/node/146May 06 17:13
Balrog_just read <http://www.computing.net/answers/windows-xp...>May 06 17:18
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schestowitzBalrog_: I think I saw it recentlyMay 06 17:28
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trmancoah, there you areMay 06 17:46
trmancowelcome backMay 06 17:46
trmancoWindows 7 Fail: http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/ar...May 06 17:46
schestowitzserver failMay 06 17:47
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schestowitzI'd have to merge logsMay 06 17:48
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schestowitztrmanco: no, haven't seen trollsMay 06 16:37
trmancoon*May 06 16:37
schestowitzThey are becoming pathetic and rudeMay 06 16:38
schestowitzThis means they totally lose itMay 06 16:38
Carl_Rover2k12schestowitz: but crashing during presentations is pretty normal in the Windows worldMay 06 16:38
trmancokernel hacker and fishy boy are replying to each otherMay 06 16:38
schestowitzThe trolls are like VistaMay 06 16:38
schestowitzThey are fat, unlikable and not stable or reliableMay 06 16:38
schestowitzCarl_Rover2k12: at least there were no BSODsMay 06 16:38
schestowitzLike in win98May 06 16:39
schestowitz"now we'll plug in a new printer..."May 06 16:39
trmancomr. kernel hacker also stated that he couldn't find gnote's page on google, whereas it's on the first pageMay 06 16:39
trmancofirst ten entries*May 06 16:39
schestowitzQook doesn't use GoogleMay 06 16:39
schestowitzhe's among the minority of MS employees who use MSMay 06 16:40
schestowitz*MSNMay 06 16:40
schestowitzWhat Net neutrality and bandwidth caps may really be for: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/ne...May 06 16:42
trmancoMy drive is failing... or not: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/200... Fedora gets smartMay 06 16:43
trmancoAnother user moves to Gnote, removes Mono from his system too -> http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/200...May 06 16:44
trmancoSystray finally in action (KDE): http://www.notmart.org/index.p...May 06 16:48
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trmancoIf mono brings doubt, moonlight sheds light: http://nocturn.vsbnet.be/node/146May 06 16:54
Balrog_just read <http://www.computing.net/answers/windows...>May 06 16:58
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trmancoWindows 7 Fail: http://www.f-secure.com/webl...May 06 17:15
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trmancoog greatMay 06 17:20
trmancowhere is roy?May 06 17:20
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trmancoah, there you areMay 06 17:26
trmancowelcome backMay 06 17:26
trmancoWindows 7 Fail: http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/a...May 06 17:26
schestowitzserver failMay 06 17:28
schestowitzI'd have to merge logsMay 06 17:29
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trmancoyeahMay 06 17:51
trmancobrbMay 06 17:51
*schestowitz writes about gnoteMay 06 17:51
Omar87trmanco: This is amazing! :)May 06 17:56
trmancoschestowitz, coolMay 06 17:57
trmancoOmar87, what is?May 06 17:57
Omar87trmanco: The post about about Vista 7. It's yet another proof that it s Vista with a fresh coat of paint. :)May 06 17:58
trmancoah, indeedMay 06 17:59
trmancoMulti-processor support coming for Firefox: http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2009/05/mu...May 06 18:05
schestowitzhttp://www.planetsuse.org/ Lots of Mono. Yuck.May 06 18:05
schestowitzhttp://automorphic.blogspot.com/2009/05/...May 06 18:05
Omar87trmanco: lol! It reminds me of those Pepsi commercials: "The same old taste, in a brand new shape!!" ---> What the hell would I need the new shape for if the taste isn't any better??! :pMay 06 18:06
schestowitzCola and Pepsi are fgor imageMay 06 18:09
schestowitzIf you drink it then your friends will think you're like the guy/gal in the adsMay 06 18:09
schestowitzThat's the methodology of their marketingMay 06 18:09
schestowitzNew Version of Gnote Released, Already Earns New Users Who Boast Mono Relief < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/06/... >May 06 18:10
schestowitzHow Microsoft's cuts will weigh on worker morale, local economy < http://www.techflash.com/microsoft... >. This doesn't even account for contracts and pay cutsMay 06 18:13
schestowitzMicrosoft cuts 1,200 in WA state <  http://www.techflash.com/microsoft... >May 06 18:13
trmancoALSA 1.0.20 Released, Many Fixes & Improvements: http://www.phoronix.com/s...May 06 18:15
schestowitzALSA... who cares?May 06 18:19
schestowitz :-)May 06 18:19
schestowitzSnooping no more how you vote in the UK: Jacqui Smith's secret plan to carry on snooping < http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/n... >May 06 18:24
schestowitzRMS (??): "I see nothing to criticize if a man (or a woman, if so inclined) associates with pretty, young women — or pretty, young men, or both — or goes to bed with them. I would not reject my lover for having other lovers. I don't believe in exclusivity as a principle or moral obligation in love relationships, and I don't ask for it from those I love."May 06 18:25
schestowitzNepalese prime minister resigns from cabinet < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/m... >May 06 18:26
schestowitzI keep seeing the same mistake. Moonlight is not a "port" of Silverlight. You repeat a factual mistake here.May 06 18:27
schestowitzYikes. Open-source working as advertised: ICINGA forks Nagios < http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-... >May 06 18:29
schestowitzLeading businessmen launch protest against Heathrow's third runway < http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/... >May 06 18:29
schestowitzFOSS people stick around in FOSS: Marketcetera Taps Former MySQL Executive For Its Advisory Board < http://ostatic.com/blog/marketcetera-ta... >May 06 18:31
Omar87Anybody knows how many big companies in the US actually use C# in their projects?May 06 18:37
schestowitzLinux at 1 percent?! Ha! It's more like 45 percent http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/... 1% Linux Market Share = 100% Dishonesty http://blog.linuxtoday.com/blog/200...May 06 18:38
schestowitzOmar87: they use JavaMay 06 18:38
schestowitzUnless you ask MS or its affiliate 'experts'May 06 18:39
schestowitzMicrosoft=lie companyMay 06 18:39
schestowitzJust watch the examples I've just posted (1% nonsense)May 06 18:39
Omar87schestowitz: I know, abut I also heard that the margin between Java-powered projects .'SHIT'-powered projects is quickly closing, is that anywhere near 'true'?May 06 18:40
schestowitzApple's Hypocrisy is Staggering < http://www.daniweb.com/blogs... >May 06 18:40
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_airOmar87, did you see many .net apps?May 06 18:43
_airbarely, they are slow that's why people prefer to avoid .netMay 06 18:43
MinceRBruce Byfield raises some interesting points about Net Applications' lie report >> http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osr...May 06 18:43
schestowitzSCO is done. No, really this time.. almost. http://www.groklaw.net/article...May 06 18:50
schestowitzNet LipplicationsMay 06 18:51
schestowitzWine is losing focus.. ;-p  http://www.wine-reviews.net/wine-review...May 06 18:52
schestowitzhttp://money.cnn.com/2009/05/...May 06 18:54
schestowitz"Red Hat: Red Hat (RHT), which markets open-source software including the operating system Linux, had often been named as a likely acquisition for Oracle before the Sun deal. Still, analysts say the company remains primed for a takeover. Red Hat declined to comment.May 06 18:54
schestowitz"I can still see Red Hat going to Oracle or another software vendor that wants a cooperating system," said Hochmuth. "May 06 18:54
schestowitzstill rumours of Oracle buying Red Hat.May 06 18:54
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Omar87_air: I'm not sure, but there is a fair number of .net apps here and there.May 06 19:10
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/techno... "As it's open source, this is easily accomplished by "releasing it into the community", which will make it reliant on Novell and IBM, the only other companies to put significant numbers of programmers into the work."May 06 19:13
schestowitzOmar87: Sure, it's not extinctMay 06 19:13
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Balrog_Omar87: hobbyist-produced .NET apps are the most annoyingMay 06 19:16
Balrog_that's what I find mono useful forMay 06 19:17
bgtr4like turtlish adiircMay 06 19:18
Balrog_.?.May 06 19:20
bgtr4adiirc is hobbyist producedMay 06 19:21
bgtr4and it's annoyingMay 06 19:21
bgtr4'cause it's slowMay 06 19:21
schestowitzMore on SCO being fried: http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/n...May 06 19:22
Balrog_bgtr4: ahh. well there are certain 'specialized' apps, if you could call them that, that are written in .NET for windowsMay 06 19:35
Balrog_and I don't like Windows, so I end up using mono for thoseMay 06 19:36
Balrog_just as I use wine for running some Windows appsMay 06 19:36
schestowitzI wonder how many *nux users user wineMay 06 19:46
schestowitzwhat %tageMay 06 19:46
schestowitzme totally fell behind today. Almost 20 posts so far.May 06 19:49
Balrog_what do you mean?May 06 19:49
schestowitzThere's no big news really.May 06 19:49
Balrog_the only thing I use wine for are small specific apps that require windowsMay 06 19:49
schestowitzIn BN I did many postsMay 06 19:50
schestowitzThe SCO news is bigMay 06 19:50
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Balrog_schestowitz: why do things like this happen: http://news.cnet.com/2100-100...May 06 20:54
Balrog_'no longer available'!!May 06 20:54
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schestowitzIs that the ZDNet article?May 06 20:59
schestowitzWhere is it linked from?May 06 20:59
schestowitzThat would be the ozzie article, no?May 06 20:59
schestowitzOr AllchinMay 06 21:00
schestowitz2001May 06 21:00
schestowitzYes, probably the POS AllchinMay 06 21:00
schestowitzI remember those remarksMay 06 21:00
schestowitzCNET doesn't want to show a FOSS-hostile MS, you think?May 06 21:00
schestowitzThey changed their tune for STRATGIC reasons aloneMay 06 21:00
Balrog_yes, AllchinMay 06 21:00
schestowitzJust the tune, not the feelin'May 06 21:01
Balrog_no archived copy?May 06 21:01
schestowitzDunnoMay 06 21:01
schestowitzCheck Web archive, look up the URLMay 06 21:01
Balrog_looked in web archiveMay 06 21:01
schestowitzThen try to see if there's a Web mirror that's aliveMay 06 21:01
schestowitzNothing in the archive?May 06 21:01
schestowitzIf not, then I'll post about it in BNMay 06 21:01
Balrog_meh, it's right on cnetMay 06 21:01
Balrog_http://news.cnet.com/Open-source-advoca...May 06 21:01
Balrog_funny ... "Joining Torvalds in endorsing the statement were free-software evangelist Bruce Perens, open-source advocate Eric Raymond, GNOME desktop founder Miguel de Icaza, Perl programming-language creator Larry Wall and Python language creator Guido van Rossum. "May 06 21:02
Balrog_<< statement against MSMay 06 21:02
Balrog_schestowitz: read that before?May 06 21:04
Balrog_oh also ... I replaced flash with the 64bit beta and no more problems, for now at leastMay 06 21:04
Balrog_it's still proprietary code thoughMay 06 21:04
schestowitzNovell General Manager: Microsoft Won’t Bid for Novell, But You Can Never Say Never < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/... >May 06 21:07
schestowitzBalrog_: yes, Flash is annoying because it's useless for what it isMay 06 21:08
schestowitzI only use it for videoMay 06 21:08
schestowitzI don't need f*ing binaries for videosMay 06 21:08
schestowitzI just need video contentMay 06 21:08
schestowitzThat's allMay 06 21:08
Balrog_yes.May 06 21:09
schestowitzFlash is a useless encpsulation for flying objects and stuffMay 06 21:09
Balrog_flash is annoying with video tooMay 06 21:09
schestowitz"Open-source advocates answer Microsoft"May 06 21:09
Balrog_it can be used to facilitate drmMay 06 21:09
schestowitzBut where it the missing article?May 06 21:09
Balrog_sorry, my bad\May 06 21:10
schestowitzThe second one is 3 months newerrMay 06 21:10
schestowitzI did a googleMay 06 21:10
schestowitznone in thereMay 06 21:10
schestowitzJust the castrated articleMay 06 21:10
Balrog_wowMay 06 21:11
Balrog_it was used as a reference in a masters degree thesisMay 06 21:11
Balrog_/wi8May 06 21:13
Balrog_sorryMay 06 21:13
schestowitzThe Web Archive does not have a copy of the full article, right?May 06 21:13
Balrog_not AFAICTMay 06 21:13
Balrog_nope.May 06 21:14
Balrog_:(May 06 21:14
Balrog_do you have a copy?May 06 21:15
Balrog_now another thing ... cdrtools is being superseded by libburn, so soon Joerg Schilling won't be able to complain (libburn has none of 'his' code whatsoever)May 06 21:17
schestowitzWhy Did CNET Remove Microsoft’s Attack on Open Source? - http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/06...May 06 21:25
MinceRhttp://voristrip.tumblr.com/post/10...May 06 21:29
schestowitzDell hunting M&A guru < http://www.channelregister.co.uk/200... >May 06 21:31
schestowitzBorland is bought! Brit software group swallows Borland for $67m < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/... >May 06 21:31
schestowitzZombie software that everyone hate is still alive: http://www.channelregister.co.uk/...May 06 21:32
schestowitzEU urges Internet governance revamp < http://www.reuters.com/article/t... >. Well overdue. I think it was Chevron's Rice  (of the Bush regime) who resisted it before.May 06 21:34
schestowitzWe got linked in ComputerWorld: http://blogs.computerworld.com/h...May 06 21:37
schestowitzhttp://www.informationweek.com/news/sec... NoScript Developer Apologizes For Meddling With AdBlockMay 06 21:42
schestowitzGood for GNU/Linux:  Leaked copies of Windows 7 RC contain Trojan < http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/30... >May 06 21:49
MinceRwindows itself is a trojan :>May 06 21:49
MinceRit tricks the user or oem into installing it and then it does damageMay 06 21:50
schestowitz:-DMay 06 21:50
MinceR(pretending that it's a useful program)May 06 21:50
schestowitzI think I broke BN record today. 20 or more posts.May 06 21:50
bgtr4coolMay 06 21:51
schestowitzThe whole Eugenics thing came upMay 06 21:51
schestowitz Firefox hits 270 million users, without Linux < http://blog.internetnews.com/skern... >May 06 21:54
schestowitzOnly Linux comes preinstalled with it (almost only Linux)May 06 21:54
schestowitzWho knows where the whole SCO saga would have been without access to Groklaw? It served as a bridge that allowed the community to interact with the case and also hurt SCO in the wallet -- where it hurts.May 06 21:58
schestowitzWho said Linux isn't beautiful??? http://webupd8.blogspot.com/2009/0...May 06 22:00
MinceRapple fanboys (who are in love with cheap white toilet-seat plastic) say thatMay 06 22:00
Balrog_schestowitz: heard of the SIAA? I hear it's like the BSA only worseMay 06 22:01
Balrog_I was told this by a good source:May 06 22:03
Balrog_<quote>May 06 22:03
Balrog_they're a company (of sorts) that targets open packets of illegially shared software downloads, and will legally attack you on the basis  that they represent the original software manufacturerMay 06 22:03
Balrog_this is without the consent OR interest of the software's manufacturerMay 06 22:03
Balrog_they then proceed to both sue you, AND sell the data for the suit to the company whose software is in the mixMay 06 22:03
Balrog_they are also responsible for creating numerous fake download sites to farm ips, etcMay 06 22:03
Balrog_</quote>May 06 22:03
Balrog_siaa.net btwMay 06 22:03
schestowitzI heard of itMay 06 22:05
schestowitzTher'es also IASAMay 06 22:05
schestowitzDepends on the country/regionMay 06 22:05
schestowitzSame lobbying/proxy armsMay 06 22:06
Balrog_SIAA is in the USMay 06 22:06
schestowitzSIAM with an A :-)May 06 22:06
Balrog_stuff like this too: <http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:%20/...>May 06 22:06
schestowitzYou know SIAM, right?May 06 22:06
schestowitzBalrog_: it's not our problem :-)May 06 22:06
schestowitzBut I use these things to show how ugly non-Free sw isMay 06 22:06
Balrog_SIAM ... mathematics?May 06 22:06
Balrog_that isMay 06 22:07
Balrog_right?May 06 22:07
schestowitzAs in, they say "open source" is risk and everything...May 06 22:07
schestowitzSo you show them what else there isMay 06 22:07
schestowitzyes, mathsMay 06 22:07
schestowitzI use their stuff sometimesMay 06 22:07
schestowitzConferences ran out of cacronymMay 06 22:07
schestowitzMany conferences share the same initialsMay 06 22:07
Balrog_o ok.May 06 22:07
schestowitzBut many confs die out as wellMay 06 22:07
schestowitzDepression is globaLMay 06 22:07
Balrog_they were behind 'don't copy that floppy'May 06 22:09
schestowitzhttp://www.junauza.com/2009/05/famous... "Fravia has been suffering from cancer for more than two years now, and on his website he recently posted a farewell message entitled “Sour 'n Sweet Swan Song”."May 06 22:13
schestowitzBalrog_: why would anyone want to copy BillG?May 06 22:14
Balrog_makes all copying look badMay 06 22:16
schestowitzBN does about 7gb todayMay 06 22:16
schestowitzI estimate that about 4000x700k are from RSSMay 06 22:17
schestowitzThat'd be about 3gb per dayMay 06 22:17
schestowitzA lot of people read the site without stepping on it. They just grab the story contents and can read it offline, which is an interesting type of Web interactionMay 06 22:18
schestowitzMozilla Vows "No Surprises" For Firefox Add-On Users < http://www.bmighty.com/blog/main/... >May 06 22:19
schestowitzA look at Memory usage - 2009.1 with KDE4 < http://blog.linuxbox.co.nz/2009/05... >May 06 22:21
schestowitzLinux Wizard - KDE 4 job notifications issues when using removable medias < http://www.linux-wizard.net/blog-kde... >May 06 22:24
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schestowitzPhoronix milestone: 100 Tests & Counting For Linux Benchmarking < http://www.phoronix.com/scan.ph... >May 06 22:25
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schestowitzYo balzac May 06 22:26
schestowitzLong time, no seeMay 06 22:26
bgtr4there should be as well crossplatform testsMay 06 22:26
balzachey RoyMay 06 22:26
balzacyeah, I've been productive the last week and a half :pMay 06 22:27
schestowitzLinux news is boring today......Watching your hard disks is a S.M.A.R.T. thing to do.  < http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/locutu... >May 06 22:27
schestowitzbalzac: productive at work?May 06 22:27
balzacyepMay 06 22:27
schestowitzSleep too can be productiveMay 06 22:27
balzacI'm good at sleepingMay 06 22:27
MinceRhm, time for me to get productive.May 06 22:27
MinceRgnMay 06 22:27
schestowitz:-)May 06 22:27
schestowitzWork is done in the mind.May 06 22:28
balzacwell, it has to get out of your mind through your words or deeds to be considered workMay 06 22:28
schestowitzHere's why the future looks good for Linux in sub-notebooks: http://www.itwire.com/content/vi...May 06 22:29
balzacunless you're your own boss and your wage is paid by your mind in addition to work being done in your mindMay 06 22:29
schestowitzWork in life is not moneyMay 06 22:29
schestowitzUnless it's the means to an endMay 06 22:29
schestowitzSome people define "work" as the activity which is used to produce money (i.e. paper that says you possess more of something)May 06 22:30
balzacin physics, work is defined with units of force applied to something, right?May 06 22:31
schestowitzCommand line made easy: five simple recipes for grep < http://arstechnica.com/open-source... >May 06 22:31
schestowitzGreenpeace is work tooMay 06 22:31
balzacwell, the mind consumes lots of caloriesMay 06 22:31
schestowitzbalzac: gardening is workMay 06 22:31
balzacso it does drain you like physical workMay 06 22:31
schestowitzPaper money may not be accrued but if you hire a gardener then work that you do at 'work' is just passed to him/her (bar tax)May 06 22:32
schestowitzThere is usually a payoff to being self-sufficient because of tax on the money that changes hand (like traffic feee)May 06 22:33
schestowitzIt's a lot more fun doing 'work' to chase down the goons to whom money is all there is... worth killing over a million Iraqis for this moneyMay 06 22:33
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schestowitzhttp://www.workswithu.com/20... "Is Ubuntu Elitist?" Nope. Is Works With U a troll? Yes.May 06 22:34
balzacIf only there were bounties to collect...May 06 22:34
schestowitzOh boy. Here comes another angry trademark. "Thinking about Refreshing the Firefox Icon" < http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/2009... >May 06 22:36
schestowitzBalrog_: like GWB said, "wanted dead or alive" :-)May 06 22:36
schestowitzCowboy in the (white) houseMay 06 22:36
schestowitzBetter than a hockey mom (after McBush gets a heart attack)May 06 22:36
schestowitzGartner garbage used as a source here: http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.c...May 06 22:40
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schestowitzBN indirectly made the FP of DiggMay 06 22:51
schestowitzBlech. "I can understand (but not agree with) why Microsoft may not want to produce its own Silverlight/.net framework on Linux I'm glad that they are at least working with the Mono team to make this happen." http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-12558-0....May 06 23:00
schestowitzVista7 with trojan.... leaked... went too far! Vista7 is a Trojan already, but they put another on top :-)May 06 23:02
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Balrogschestowitz: <http://temple-news.com/2009/04/21/p...> .... more again :/May 06 23:24
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schestowitzHaha.May 06 23:27
schestowitzWhat's up, oiaohm May 06 23:28
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oiaohmhttp://www.oooninja.com/2009/05/mi...  Interesting read schestowitzMay 06 23:37
schestowitzyes, oldMay 06 23:39
schestowitzWell, I have moreMay 06 23:39
schestowitzIt is from the 4rd?May 06 23:39
schestowitz*3May 06 23:40
oiaohmI know its old.  It was still a interesting read.May 06 23:40
schestowitzI can put the latest hereMay 06 23:41
schestowitzhttp://www.h-online.com/open/Dispute... http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/...May 06 23:42
schestowitzThat's the press catching yoMay 06 23:42
schestowitz*upMay 06 23:42
oiaohmIts the details of what don't work in the reference documents.May 06 23:43
schestowitzThere's more comingMay 06 23:45
schestowitzpresentation (odp) and docs (odf)May 06 23:45
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oiaohmHmm debian changing away from glibc to eglibc  its going to be interesting to see how this fork turns out.May 06 23:51
schestowitzYes, I saw thatMay 06 23:52
schestowitzWas gonna post it in an hoursMay 06 23:52
schestowitz*hourMay 06 23:52
oiaohmOpenOffice 3.1.0 will be soon.   Binaries mirroring out threw mirrors at moment.May 06 23:54

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