Bonum Certa Men Certa

It Looks Like Red Hat's (IBM) Fedora Project May be 'Outsourced' to Amazon's Datacentres

Amazon datacentres in Ashburn
Amazon datacentres in Ashburn (source: Wikileaks)



Summary: In "seeking a more modern and cost effective location" for Fedora Infrastructure it seems to have been decided, privately, that Amazon (AWS) would be the new home of this project; but there's sufficient obfuscation surrounding the matter and many people seem to be totally unaware

OVERNIGHT we've spent several hours researching this and we also asked some Fedora people, who don't seem to know exactly what's going on. Surely some people higher up the corporate chain have a better and clearer idea, but they're not likely to speak about it because IBM pays their salary and there's fear of further layoffs. A lot of the finer details will be available in IRC logs (frustratingly enough, almost all the coding/code hosting was outsourced to Microsoft), but the gist of it all is this: while examining about a dozen services of the Fedora Project we've occasionally stumbled upon Amazon addresses. And then there's this:



dig copr.fedorainfracloud.org



; <<>> DiG 9.11.5-P4-5.1+deb10u1-Debian <<>> copr.fedorainfracloud.org ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 34423 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1

;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION: ; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 512 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;copr.fedorainfracloud.org. IN A

;; ANSWER SECTION: copr.fedorainfracloud.org. 300 IN CNAME copr-fe.aws.fedoraproject.org. copr-fe.aws.fedoraproject.org. 939 IN A 3.81.0.123


This probably merits a little bit of context. A few hours ago Fedora Infrastructure had another very major OpenShift failure (not the first such incident over the past few days). Well, it wasn't an issue until lately...

This so-called 'cloud computing' software is Red Hat's brand (with GUIs and everything) of something that's otherwise widely available as Free software but harder to use.

"Fedora Infrastructure Status: Major service disruption," said the notice, reading out the extent of the impact: "New status major: issues with openshift cluster for services: Ipsilon, Badges, Blockerbugs, Package Updates Manager, Fedora Infrastructure Cloud, COPR Build System, Documentation website, Fedora elections, Account System, Fedora Messaging Bus, Fedora Calendar, Fedora pastebin service, The Koji Buildsystem, Koschei Continuous Integration, Kerberos, Mailing Lists, Module Build Service, Mirror List, Mirror Manager, Fedora Packages App, Pagure, Fedora People, Package maintainers git repositories, Fedora Container Registry, ABRT Server, Fedora websites, Fedora Wiki, Zodbot IRC bot"

"...while examining about a dozen services of the Fedora Project we've occasionally stumbled upon Amazon addresses."And later on it said "New status good: Everything seems to be working."

"We are now operating from the new datacentre and are bringing back capacity as time allows. The known issues are documented here in our wiki," it adds. If one goes to the corresponding status page for pertinent services ("Fedora Project Datacentre Move") it is linking to this wiki page, which in turn says: "This is a page to track known issues after the Fedora Infrastructure Datacenter move in 2020 from phx2 to iad2 and rdu2."

Those are not descriptive names, as there's not even a domain name/suffix. We tried tracing back the IP addresses of these services to identity where at least some these services were being moved to. "I think it's more Red Hat management pressure to rely on Github and Google," Ryan said, but it seems to be related to neither. "You know," Ryan continued, "the infrastructure self-hosting was VERY reliable for many years before that." He mentioned "GMail, Google Drive, calendar stuff" as examples, citing the anonymous post that said about Jim Whitehurst: "He didn't use our products (used a Mac, along with other members of the executive management team), allowed RH to dump open source solutions for our own business to move things to Google's services (which is a huge message to our very clients of "we don't value or trust open source, so why should you?")"

"A few hours ago Fedora Infrastructure had another very major OpenShift failure (not the first such incident over the past few days)."The migration pages are edited mostly by Kevin Fenzi (IBM/Red Hat), who wrote about it less than a year ago in the devel-announce mailing list. No replies to it as of this date.

Is Copr on AWS now? Seems so. If the new DC of Fedora is Amazon-owned and Amazon-controlled, there may be something to conclude. Depending on one's opinion regarding Amazon and AWS, which turns Free/libre things into proprietary.

This message from last year says the hosting of various services is moving to the city/area in VA where AWS has many datacentres that already route some Fedora traffic. While we don't know for sure what's going on, as we need to better understand what plans are made in the boardroom (behind closed doors), it seems likely there's a move to Amazon.

Four years ago The Atlantic published "Where Are Amazon's Data Centers?" and it took note of Ashburn and Sterling. About a year later Wikileaks revealed that both places have lots of datacentres in them, mostly Ashburn (shown above is our screenshot of these).

Going back to Kevin, less than a year ago he wrote: "Fedora Infrastructure currently has the majority of its hardware in a datacenter in Arizona, USA. Red Hat leases this space for use by a number of teams, including Fedora."

"This message from last year says the hosting of various services is moving to the city/area in VA where AWS has many datacentres that already route some Fedora traffic."We can confirm, based on lots of checks, that many services still link to that datacentre.

"However," Kevin continued, "they've been seeking a more modern and cost effective location for some time and have decided on one: So, we will be migrating to a new datacenter located in Ashburn, Virginia in 2020."

Oh, Ashburn. Where Amazon has a densely-distributed cluster of datacentres.

Is Red Hat moving to 'the cloud' and, if so, why not its own? Does IBM feel like it needs to outsource that to a competitor/partner?

The details on this are still not certain and I could not get anybody from Fedora (in IRC) to confirm or deny. Quite frankly, many of them may not be aware.

Recent Techrights' Posts

Disinformation and Marketing Spam From and For OIN (GAFAM's and IBM's Weapon Against Free Software Activists and Reformists Against Software Patents)
All in all, this anniversary is just a PR stunt with revisionism
 
Techrights Statement: The Solution is Not More Censorship or Moving to Another Mastodon Instance, the Core Problem is Social Control Media Including Mastodon
Censorship typically leads to additional (new) issues
Links 30/04/2025: Censorship in the Guise/Clothing of "Combatting Deepfakes", Mass Surveillance Increasingly Framed as Catchphrase "AI"
Links for the day
Why Techrights Attracts SLAPPs From American Microsofters Who Literally Strangle Women and Rely on the Most Unscrupulous Law Firms
"the SLAPPs targeted at TR [Techrights] shows that Orwell was right: Journalism is about exposure, everything else are PubRels."
The Problem at the Open Source Initiative (OSI) Is Vastly Bigger Than Its Rigged Elections
Elections and election-rigging at the OSI are a symptom
IBM Allegedly to Sell More Parts of the Company While Outsourcing to India, Microsoft Now Goes After Unions
They both have cash and debt problems
Slopwatch: Google Noise ("News"), Linux Security (Slopfarm), and BetaNoise (Serial Slopper)
Today there's no lack of LLM slop
Over at Tux Machines...
GNU/Linux news for the past day
IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, April 29, 2025
IRC logs for Tuesday, April 29, 2025
Links 30/04/2025: "Brian Lumley’s Necroscope Series" and "Death In The Afternoon"
Links for the day
Links 29/04/2025: Microsoft Infosys Layoffs, 'Popcorn Lung' With Vapers, Hong Kong Banning Possession of e-cigarettes in Public
Links for the day
Gemini Links 29/04/2025: Hey-Hi (AI) Isn't Your Friend/Lover, Mastodon is a Mess, and Mandelbrot Programming
Links for the day
Just Sending More and More Threats Does Not Change the Fact We Got Abused for Many Years and Women Got Strangled
Wanting a "gag order" - or sometimes injunctions - by sending many threats
Links 29/04/2025: Water Scarcity, LLM Slop Backfiring Again in Legal Documents
Links for the day
Google Spreading Misinformation and Lies
Google is in the propaganda business
statCounter: GNU/Linux Adoption Surging in Switzerland, Windows at All-time Low
What happened?
New Video Report About Microsoft Cancelling Multi-Billion Dollar Projects
direct link to the video
Gemini Links 28/04/2025: Free Speech and Perfectionism in Design
Links for the day
What Fake News Looks Like (IBM)
IBM told a lie. The media then just blindly repeated this lie.
Microsoft is Already Laying Off Lots of Contractors
cost-cutting at Microsoft takes a new "edge"
Over at Tux Machines...
GNU/Linux news for the past day
IRC Proceedings: Monday, April 28, 2025
IRC logs for Monday, April 28, 2025
China is Already Culling GAFAM (Not Just Microsoft Windows)
OS monoculture or "OS hegemony" may be coming to an end
The "Telephone Operating System in the Vatican" is 95 Years Old, Vatican Moved to GNU/Linux
Maybe Microsoft is down to zero already
If Tesla Shares (and Alleged Value) Fell 55% (From $489 to $222) in a Few Months Maybe It's Not Worth Anything At All (It's Just Gambling)
Tesla swasticars have turned from a "status symbol" into a "public embarrassment" and cause for casual humiliation
Coming Soon: Microsoft Fake Results, Mass Layoffs, and Silence About All the People Microsoft Pressured to "Quit" (So That They Don't Get Counted as Layoffs)
there will be more mass layoffs
Chromebooks' Adoption in Sweden No Longer Depends on Schools
School breaks are when classrooms are shut
No, IBM is Not Investing $150 Billion in the US and It Doesn't Even Have That Kind of Money
Here we go again... media as a vehicle of lobbying and misinformation
Leak: The EPO's General Consultative Committee (GCC) Does Not Consult Staff on Crucial Matters and Bypasses the Administrative Council (AC) to Do Illegal Things
violations against the EPO's very staff
New Leaks Coming Soon, We Maintain 100% Record of Successful Resistance to Censorship
We won't be told what we can and cannot say (especially when it's true)
Central African Republic (CAR): Vista 11 is Only ~0.2% Market Share
99.8% to go!
BSD and GNU/Linux Replaced Microsoft in Secure Servers, All Microsoft Has Left is LLM Slop for Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt (FUD)
the FUD machine never rests
Gemini Links 28/04/2025: A Simple Task Tracking and Auto-Prioritization Tool and Other Programs
Links for the day
Links 28/04/2025: Canada's Election, Pakistan-India Conflict
Links for the day
Speed of GNU/Linux
The media seldom speaks of the dangers of "proprietary software"
Glue Inside Your Pizza (or Why People Will Get Fed Up With Slop)
People are given "answers" from non-intelligence word dumpsters
Proprietary Windows Versus "Linux" News (Trying to Keep People on Windows, Never Exploring GNU/Linux)
Good editors know better how to recognise threats and not give them lip service
Ensuring That Every Computer User Anywhere in the World Can Take Control of All His or Her Computers
We must fight the people who attack general-purpose computing, in particular those who push this agenda very aggressively inside Linux
Links 28/04/2025: Cyberattacks Happening, Chatbots Disappointing, and "Free Speech Under Fire"
Links for the day
Phone Adoption Very Low in Vatican, Windows Usage Fell Nonetheless
Even in places where people still use desktops/laptops most of the time (and have access to these) Windows is gradually losing ground
GNU/Linux 9% in Cuba, Vista 11 Waning, Android Dominant
Microsoft has pretty much lost Cuba
Gemini Links 28/04/2025: Autism and Structural Navigation
Links for the day
Over at Tux Machines...
GNU/Linux news for the past day
IRC Proceedings: Sunday, April 27, 2025
IRC logs for Sunday, April 27, 2025