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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: July 25th, 2008

Posted in IRC Logs at 6:20 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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schestowitz *LMAO* @ http://www.schneier.com/blog/archiv… Jul 25 07:19
PetoKraus schestowitz: what the Jul 25 07:28
PetoKraus how can sunscreen be dangerous? Jul 25 07:29
schestowitz This one also: http://news.cnet.com/8301-179… (just sent it to my dad) Jul 25 07:29
schestowitz ” He suggests that people try to avoid constantly carrying their cell phones on their bodies and also try not to keep the devices nearby at night under the pillow or on a nightstand. He even warns against using cell phones in public places like buses because it exposes others to the phone’s electromagnetic fields. “ Jul 25 07:29
PetoKraus i still don’t get how can be sunscreen dangerous :P Jul 25 07:32
PetoKraus ah. seems to me they’re gonna ban toothpaste as well :P Jul 25 07:34
schestowitz Have you seen the war on shampoo? Jul 25 07:34
schestowitz http://www.schneier.com/blog/archi… Jul 25 07:35
schestowitz They should ban bladder too because they may contain liquid. :-) Jul 25 07:35
PetoKraus aha aha Jul 25 07:36
PetoKraus you mean, the external one, how’s it called Jul 25 07:36
PetoKraus which the people with kidney diseases have to use… and the guards should smell the contents as well Jul 25 07:37
schestowitz It’s like the war on so-called ‘piracy’. A civil society doesn’t need to chase liquids; it needs to adapt; no lawsuits against single mothers, you know? Jul 25 07:39
PetoKraus but… but that would require us to change, not only them :P Jul 25 07:39
schestowitz Haha. Just found: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-9999… DRM Collapse! Jul 25 07:40
schestowitz A DRM apocalypse… begging for a riot. Jul 25 07:40
PetoKraus hehe Jul 25 07:46
schestowitz I never touched anything DRM. I read about it though. Jul 25 07:48
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schestowitz Microsoft has just bought some Linux. http://www.networkworld.com/communi… “Perhaps the most interesting is that DATAllegro [...] It was built on Ingres and Linux.” Jul 25 10:28
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kentma It would seem that Microsoft are accepting that the naughties will be the decade of the appliance & mobility. Jul 25 15:12
schestowitz Yes, found this a minute ago. Jul 25 15:13
schestowitz http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfee… Jul 25 15:13
schestowitz Mainly about clouds really, but Linux is mention in the Dow Jones for a change. Jul 25 15:13
schestowitz *mentioned Jul 25 15:13
kentma Interesting… I was just looking at your practical-tech article – 60% of admins with no intention of adopting Vista.  The door is absolutely wide-open for alternatives now.  If only we can get some standards established and put an end to the nearly 3 decades of Microsfot lock-in. Jul 25 15:14
kentma Mmm. cloud computing…  I’m not sure how that will play out, myself. Jul 25 15:15
schestowitz ODF. Jul 25 15:15
schestowitz Well, marbux sent me this some hours ago: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/07… Jul 25 15:15
kentma wow – did you see the losses for live-search in that article? Jul 25 15:15
kentma $488mio for 4Q08 cf $210mio for 4Q07 Jul 25 15:16
schestowitz Clouds are more of a danger to applications like Office, which make the most money for Microsoft. Google Apps is seen as sufficient for most people. Formats matter less because you pass people URLs, not files. Jul 25 15:16
schestowitz That’s an underestimate. Jul 25 15:17
schestowitz Consider the fact that Microsoft made acquisitions as big as $6bn for this divisions. Not fruitful so far, and it runs Linux as far as I know. Jul 25 15:17
kentma Also the note about “live mesh” is interesting – Microsoft appear to be trying to innovate schedule-world – they seem to be, finally, accepting mobility. Jul 25 15:18
schestowitz Microsoft tries to destroy not Google. It’s trying to destroy ‘the Internet’ like it fought Netscape and then froze development with IE. Now it decides that killing the Web is like suing Frees software (suing the sky), so it tries to become part of it. Jul 25 15:19
schestowitz I’ve watched Microsoft feeds for years and recently there has been little output from them (other than patents). I say this because today there is a stunning lack of news. Just the departure of Johnson… Jul 25 15:20
kentma Microsoft have been at war with everyone, including their own customers, for a very long time.  This is at the root of their cultural problems.  Interestingly, the BPI/RIAA appear to have achieved the same thing. Jul 25 15:20
kentma Ah, just looking at the O’Reilly remarks about “reduced vendor lock-in”.  Until I started walking around the world and talking about this stuff, nobody was even mentioning it – now everyone uses these phrases, along with “exit-barrier” and “exit-cost”.  It’s great! Jul 25 15:22
schestowitz Paul Graham was right two years ago when he said “Microsoft is Dead”. Google is the one the beat… but not the only one. Jul 25 15:22
kentma Agreed.  Also, the desktop is dead, too… Jul 25 15:22
schestowitz This dirty trick from Microsoft (spotted a while ago) reminded me of Google’s brain draining: http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/…
schestowitz Microsoft: “Gathering intelligence on enemy activities is critical to the success of the Slog.” Article: “Head hunters may like to call this intelligence gathering.” Jul 25 15:24
*kentma looks Jul 25 15:24
kentma ah  -  industrial espionage. Jul 25 15:24
schestowitz Google does this too, I think. It got accused. Jul 25 15:25
schestowitz But it makes it no fairer than otherwise. Didn’t Microsoft do the same to Borland when I was a young lad? Jul 25 15:25
kentma Borland’s compilers and assemblers were so much better than MS’s it was embarrassing.  They even had special modes to emulate the Microsoft bugs called “quirks” mode! Jul 25 15:26
schestowitz I think I once read about Microsoft trying to steal (make defect) their employees. Jul 25 15:27
schestowitz Microsoft was milking Yahoo! for its workforce in this way around March. For a fact. Jul 25 15:27
kentma When things go wrong, they /really/ go wrong, don’t they?  Microsoft are not going to help themselves by grabbing employees from elsewhere.  That’s really not where their problems are. Jul 25 15:28
schestowitz They snatched a few. The press didn’t really cover such things. Well, I found this out not in the ‘Big Papers’. Jul 25 15:30
kentma Unfortunately, this kind of thing is also normal movement of employees, so it’s hard to drill into anything deeper, even if there is something there. Jul 25 15:35
schestowitz The invitations were there for all to see.It’s a two-way thing: Microsoft needs to seed influence /inside/ (plamt) rivals and also steal their valuable people. Jul 25 15:37
schestowitz “In private a government delegate compared Microsoft’s public affairs methods with the scientology cult.” ( http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-54… ) Jul 25 15:39
kentma Wow – even more on breaking free from vendor lock-in… Jul 25 15:41
schestowitz Where? Jul 25 15:44
kentma in the article you linked to. Jul 25 15:53
schestowitz Novell makes lock-in with SUSE. Jul 25 15:56
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schestowitz BT Calls on Open Source ( http://www.computerworlduk.com/toolbo… ) Jul 25 17:21
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kentma hehe – we’re finally getting some traction! Jul 25 20:23
schestowitz I saw another one. Jul 25 20:23
schestowitz I think it was from Dana Blankenhorn. It’s good publicity, for sure. Jul 25 20:23
schestowitz Just got a bunch of nasty comments here: Jul 25 20:24
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/07… Jul 25 20:24
kentma do you know who is leaving the abusive remarks at all? Jul 25 20:27
schestowitz I think it’s someone from Germany. Jul 25 20:27
kentma consistent IP at all? Jul 25 20:41
kentma I/we need the publicity so badly – changing the culture and direction of a company which employs 120,000 people scattered all around the planet is bl**dy difficult.  At least I’m not on my own any more. Jul 25 20:42
schestowitz The IP is consistent, IIRC. The DNS gives “telekom” something. I’d have to recheck. Jul 25 20:47
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