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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: August 12th, 2008

Posted in IRC Logs at 6:36 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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schestowitz Yes, that too. Aug 12 00:01
twitter In the mean time, truth comes out of the niches. Aug 12 00:06
schestowitz Yes, see the Ernie Ballm video I just posted a link to (Ogg) Aug 12 00:06
twitter I’m thick.  Where did you post it? Aug 12 00:09
schestowitz Here: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/1… It’s actually Sterling, not Ernie. Aug 12 00:10
schestowitz Anyway, I’ll catch you tomorrow. Aug 12 00:10
twitter later Aug 12 00:10
schestowitz Been marked as away by accident but I’m off to bed. Aug 12 00:11
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twitter ugh.  http://tech.slashdot.org/artic… Aug 12 04:40
twitter on that note, I’m going to bed. Aug 12 04:41
PetoKraus nice summary article, roy; Aug 12 07:12
schestowitz Which one? Aug 12 07:13
PetoKraus eye on MS Aug 12 07:17
schestowitz Oh, I thought about doing this more regularly. I asked twitter about it yesterday. Aug 12 07:18
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schestowitz twitter: Slahshdot just plays with people’s emotions, IMHO, essentially promoting Microsoft’s Direct-lockin-X. For a more balanced coverage of an important release http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?… . Thanks for reminding me why I don’t read Slashdot. Aug 12 07:53
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kentma1 ahh, just given up with Peter K trying to explain why you can’t virtualise a device driver… Aug 12 08:16
kentma1 He doesn’t seem to grasp the issue of infinite recursion. Aug 12 08:16
kentma1 Now onto the digest :-) Aug 12 08:16
schestowitz PK is a knowall. Aug 12 08:17
kentma1 And Radio 3 is playing Satie Gymno’1 Aug 12 08:17
kentma1 schestowitz: He’s often very good, but when he’s mistaken, he just gets abusive, tries to polarise debate, and force others into taking a black & white stand.  I don’t know why; he’s smart enough to not need to do that. Aug 12 08:18
schestowitz Yes, he’s like that. The man I did my PhD with was the same. Aug 12 08:18
schestowitz Minus the abuse. Aug 12 08:19
kentma1 I suspect Peter K wouldn’t do the abuse personally, but usenet provides fewer social controls than personal interaction. Aug 12 08:19
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kentma1 The other “ongoing” debate is the refusal of so many of our cola friends to accept that mobility is the future;  it’s quite ironic that people who can embrace such revolutionary things as the GPL struggle with accepting that people are mostly social and mostly mobile and don’t want to be tied to a machine. Aug 12 08:21
schestowitz Desktops are needed for COLA typos. To others, the new ‘apps’ are Google, Facebook, and some Web-based thing to write letters in. Aug 12 08:23
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schestowitz I hate it when people are brainwashed to the point where it’s ‘dangerous’ to say something bad about pet ‘charities’, but there you go: http://boycottnovell.com/200… Aug 12 10:38
kentma i was just noting Timmy’s response to your Tim Bray posting – the t*sser x-posted to loads of groups, and then wonders why I find him despicable. Aug 12 10:44
schestowitz I didn’t see that. Aug 12 10:46
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schestowitz Well, I now know that Tim has a friend. He feeds it leftovers. Aug 12 10:47
kentma :-) Aug 12 10:57
schestowitz Timmy Funkenbusch can’t help hackling me: http://digg.com/linux_unix/GNU_… Aug 12 12:01
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kentma Nasty character. Aug 12 12:32
kentma Just been having a very interesting discussion with Phil Da Lick about desktop, mobility, outsourcing and trust. Aug 12 12:33
kentma I realised during the process of this discussion that most people are quite happy to outsource their health, food production, money guarding, vehicle safety and so on to 3rd parties, almost without a thought, but the idea of outsourcing a bit of local data seems scary.  This must surely be the result of 2+ decades of unreliable software. Aug 12 12:34
schestowitz Phil Da Lick is from the UK, right? He has been in the forum for years. Aug 12 12:36
kentma He’s been here a long time, yes. Aug 12 12:37
kentma It was very interesting how he mis-analyses risk – I don’t want to be too critical, though – I hadn’t really thought much about this until recently. Aug 12 12:38
schestowitz Have you seen the fiasco and fine about accepting foreigners but not US workers… by an American company? Aug 12 12:38
kentma haha – no, who was that? Aug 12 12:38
schestowitz By the way, there was a massive GMail outage that disrupted many people’s work yesterday. Aug 12 12:38
kentma Many years ago, I heard a woman ask the rep for GEC McMichael (television manufacturer of long ago) why their televisions kept breaking down.  He replied that they could make a 100% reliable set, but she wouldn’t be prepared to pay for it. Aug 12 12:40
schestowitz http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008… Aug 12 12:40
schestowitz Maybe that’s why the Olympics BSoD-ed.  Shameful: http://www.theage.com.au/news/arti… Aug 12 12:41
schestowitz And all because of a memorandum of understanding-like contract with Microsoft, which tried unsuccessfully to also forcefeed them Vista. Aug 12 12:41
kentma Silly b*ggers should’ve gone for something reliable. Aug 12 12:42
schestowitz http://blogs.king5.com/arch… Aug 12 12:42
schestowitz http://www.itwire.com/cont… Aug 12 12:44
kentma “It was very unfortunate but computer glitches can’t be helped.” Aug 12 12:46
kentma This rather sums up the result of 25 years of Microsoft.  People /expect/ computers to fail. Aug 12 12:47
schestowitz That was the Seattle Needle. They needed to use something that pleases the local crowd, I think. As for Gates and the Olympics,  see my latest post. He holds China by the pockets. IIRC, the glorification of him there had a study suggest that Chinese women want his *ahem* sperm the most. He’s there in China at the moment trying to get all kids ‘addicted’ (his words). Aug 12 12:49
schestowitz This one is good: http://blogs.controltheorypro… Aug 12 12:53
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kentma yes, he’s got it. Aug 12 13:18
kentma I’m sure the chinese will get bored of him soon. Aug 12 13:18
schestowitz I don’t know. Microsoft shares a lot of things (commonalities) with the regime there and they probably will want to protest/glorify in exchange for snoops and such. They were doing lots of this last year. I could fetch some refs. Aug 12 13:23
Tallken completely OT: biggest BSOD ever: http://www.bit.pt/Bit/Not%ADciascompl… Aug 12 13:33
schestowitz Thanks, seen it (and seen it coming ;-) ) Aug 12 13:34
Tallken lol Aug 12 13:37
Tallken but we can’t laugh too much Aug 12 13:37
Tallken let me search for a pic Aug 12 13:37
Tallken http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php… Aug 12 13:39
schestowitz The guy who counts GPLv3 conversions has just left. http://gpl3.blogspot.com/2008/08/gpl-p… Aug 12 13:39
Tallken X11 crashed on a supermarket Aug 12 13:39
Tallken though I was surprised they used Linux as a backend Aug 12 13:39
Tallken and guess in which section??? (hint: DMCA) Aug 12 13:40
Tallken in CD sells xD Aug 12 13:40
schestowitz /your/ photo? Aug 12 13:40
Tallken as a terminal to hear the songs on CDs before buying them Aug 12 13:40
Tallken the link doesn’t work? I think the my.php makes no difference Aug 12 13:41
schestowitz To be honest, I don’t know from personal experience how much XP crashes. Older versions didn’t work we though. Aug 12 13:41
schestowitz It’s an overkill to use Windows or full-fledged Linux for something like an audio station. BTW, Microsoft rejected Vista for the next embedded platform. It’s back to XP. Aug 12 13:42
Tallken lol why am I not surprised Aug 12 13:43
Tallken the thing that saddens me Aug 12 13:43
Tallken is some issues on XP were to be fixed during two SP Aug 12 13:43
Tallken I didn’t test SP3 Aug 12 13:43
schestowitz They renamed it though, to compete with Linux. Aug 12 13:43
Tallken but XP, XP SP1 and XP SP2 had this annoying bug which would set svchost.exe at 100% of CPU usage Aug 12 13:44
schestowitz I never installed an SP, but I read about glitches in SP3. Aug 12 13:44
Tallken renamed it to what?? Aug 12 13:44
schestowitz Let me checl. Aug 12 13:44
schestowitz http://www.efytimes.com/efytim… ” Microsoft Worried Over Linux Dominance In Embedded Space… Renames its family of products to target the embedded market.” Aug 12 13:45
schestowitz “Who’s afraid of embedded Linux? Microsoft” http://www.cnet.com/8301-13505_1-9919632-… Aug 12 13:45
schestowitz http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/N…  “Linux still top embedded OS” Aug 12 13:46
kentma Linux is only going to grow in this space. Aug 12 13:48
kentma Incidentally, in the discussion with Phil Da Lick on desktop versus mobility, I’ve come across some interesting facts: Aug 12 13:48
schestowitz Hmm…. Lenny will probably be delayed http://www.philkern.de/weblog/en/debi… Aug 12 13:48
kentma 1.  in 2003 unit sales of laptops exceeded desktops Aug 12 13:49
kentma arggh sorry wrong Aug 12 13:49
schestowitz Well, there’s only agile platform for gadgets that run on battery. Aug 12 13:49
kentma 1. in 2003 £value of laptop sales exceeded desktop sales Aug 12 13:49
kentma 2. in 2005, unit sales of laptops exceeded that of desktops. Aug 12 13:49
schestowitz Yes, the gap widens all the time. IDC showed it recently. Aug 12 13:49
kentma That was *3* years ago! Aug 12 13:49
kentma The battle now, though, is surely in the ultra-mobile & devices space, which outstripped the PC market several years ago too. Aug 12 13:50
schestowitz By the way, I loved it when I saw a ZDNet page a few hours ago and someone in the comments corrected the article, quoting the Linux 4% figure that I put in Digg. Aug 12 13:50
kentma hehe! Aug 12 13:50
schestowitz I’m hoping that people will start talking about this 4% on the desktop thing. A lot of Big Lies need to rest. Aug 12 13:51
schestowitz BTW, I suspect Intel and Microsoft have begun jacking up the price of subnotebooks (price-fixing). Aug 12 13:52
schestowitz They first needed to battle OLPC and kill it using Classmates that are sold at a loss and things like the promise of the $199 Eee PC. Aug 12 13:52
schestowitz Then, having done some damage Intel can raise the price of the Atom. AMD is too injured to enter this space not after the OLPC’s Geode (IIRC) is, well… not that interesting despite being 10 times more efficient than Intel. Aug 12 13:53
kentma Isn’t ARM the best hope here, though? Aug 12 13:57
schestowitz Yes, I think. They have something in the works. I’ll fetch the list of companies involved (it sort of leaked). Mozilla is among them, IIRC… Aug 12 13:59
schestowitz Here’s ome report: http://www.infoworld.com/article/07/10/03/Mozilla-… Aug 12 14:00
kentma there are several smaller arm devices out there, like the freerunner (I think), pandora, n800/n810/770, archos? , gp2x, most nokia smartphones… Aug 12 14:05
kentma yeah, that looks about right. Aug 12 14:05
schestowitz Wake me up when Intel does phone. http://www.news.com/8301-13579_3-98… (ARM plans Android demonstration at MWC ) Aug 12 14:06
schestowitz http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/200… “ARM today announced that the total number of processors shipped by its Partners has exceeded ten billion.” Aug 12 14:08
kentma Their sales dwarf that of the traditional computing world. Aug 12 14:12
kentma Shipping 3bn/yr is amazing, and I think it will likely rise still further. Aug 12 14:13
schestowitz Yes. Based on what I hear, only about 2% of the chips end up in desktops (maybe servers too, but I’ll need to check) Aug 12 14:13
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/… Aug 12 14:18
schestowitz It’s a rebuttal that’s identical but inverted to some FUD from Digg. Aug 12 14:19
kentma I’ve looked up the chip sales numbers before.  Computer sales, in spite of their high profile, are actually fairly small numbers for overall processor sales, but are huge for Intel & AMD. Aug 12 14:29
twitter Good morning.  I’m trying to catch up with the above. Aug 12 15:13
schestowitz Please do. I made some remarks to you. Aug 12 15:14
twitter Big ha ha about the Olympic BSoD.  H1B is not funny. Aug 12 15:16
schestowitz I saw reports about it like a year ago. Aug 12 15:20
twitter XP never became reliable.  It’s performance is about what you could expect from any version of Windoze. Aug 12 15:24
PetoKraus that olympics is great Aug 12 15:24
PetoKraus :D Aug 12 15:24
twitter Yes, I remember out conversation yesterday.  I like the “eye on microsoft” segregation. Aug 12 15:26
PetoKraus yep, that’s nice Aug 12 15:26
schestowitz I’ll do that again then (Microsoft bashing). Aug 12 15:27
schestowitz I just sometimes worry that critique (how Microsoft harms FOSS) gives less ammunition against us than bashing (Microsoft screwing up). Aug 12 15:27
twitter The whole point M$ harming free software is to make the world safe for their second rate stuff.  Stories about M$ screw ups happen but they are hard to find because the Wintel press buries it with apologies and bullshit with the same words in it.  Collecting the truth is not “bashing”, it’s just a memory tool. Aug 12 15:35
twitter You come across all of the bad news when you research M$ sabotage and it does not take that much effort to catalog it, does it? Aug 12 15:36
schestowitz Okay. By the way, my argument above should be the very opposite (didn’t proofread). It’s the ‘bashing’ that can be used to discredit us. Trust me, I’ve seen that. Aug 12 15:36
schestowitz Cherry-picking takes some time. Many articles are ads in disguise (as a story). Aug 12 15:37
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twitter Oh sure.  I’ve seen the “bashing” is counter productive argument.  It goes hand in hand with the “hater” smear you are familiar with.  Telling the truth should never discredit you. Aug 12 15:37
schestowitz well, what one thinks and is independent from what others think. Aug 12 15:38
schestowitz You can parrot RMS in a board room very proudly, but it won’t necessary prove fruitful. Aug 12 15:38
twitter Don’t confuse what the trolls tell you with what people really think. Aug 12 15:39
schestowitz Yes, I know. Aug 12 15:39
schestowitz That said, the trolls add to unnecessary noise that shadows the message. Aug 12 15:39
schestowitz Just watch this comment from an hour ago: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/07… (latest one). They accuse me of being a shill. Aug 12 15:40
twitter I’m not sure what you mean by “board room” but executive level people understand the concepts of peer review very well.  They are also receptive to the notion that free software provides large returns for little investment. Aug 12 15:42
schestowitz Not all of them. First of all, can you use the term “free software”? Also, would you approach this by comparison to peer reviews? RMS never does that. Aug 12 15:43
twitter RMS might not, but I’m not a parrot. Aug 12 15:44
twitter I like the term free software. Aug 12 15:44
schestowitz The way it’s used, you’d think it’s an adjective relating to software, not the user. Aug 12 15:45
twitter It intentionally invokes cold war terminology, “free world” and that has deep resonance with the age group likely to be found in a board room.  They understand that freedom involves a framework. Aug 12 15:47
twitter Military types and people who grew up in communist countries especially understand this. Aug 12 15:49
schestowitz In COLA (USENET), we have at least one anti-GPL propagandist (troll) who gre up in the USSR. Aug 12 15:49
kentma Perhaps he was so used to being “owned” he’s never been able to give it up.  Freedom is a very hard thing for people to grasp, many people genuinely seem to prefer to be shown the way. Aug 12 15:50
twitter Chances are, they are not what they say they are.  Trolls are liars. Aug 12 15:51
kentma Ah, be careful and consider precisely what I said… Aug 12 15:51
schestowitz They appear in the wrong places, that’s why they are trolls. Aug 12 15:51
schestowitz I have no problem with someone who protests against the GPL (computer users’ freedom), but not in a FOSS/Linux forum. I don’t go to Windows forums criticising Microsoft and people who are in the forum. Aug 12 15:52
twitter If they are there to disrupt reasonable conversation, you can’t trust anything they say. Aug 12 15:53
twitter Honest people don’t do what trolls do. Aug 12 15:53
kentma personally, I rather despair of these characters, and would prefer them to inhabit a group suitable for their material. Aug 12 15:53
kentma twitter: in their view, though, they probably are being honest.  They’ve agreed with a paymaster to deliver some goods, and that’s what they’re doing. Aug 12 15:53
PetoKraus twitter: are you the twitter at /. ? Aug 12 15:54
twitter Yes, I am. Aug 12 15:54
PetoKraus :D yes. Aug 12 15:54
twitter thanks. Aug 12 15:55
PetoKraus you know, resorting to _their_ tactics isn’t best way to.. change people’s mind. Aug 12 15:55
twitter I don’t know what you are talking about. Aug 12 15:56
PetoKraus ah, BSOD@OG hit /. Aug 12 15:56
PetoKraus well, sockpuppettry you’ve been several times accused of, and which i personally believe you do. But that’s… your thing. Aug 12 15:56
*kentma ducks below parapet to watch Aug 12 15:57
*kentma throws bucket of slime to encourage polite debate :-) Aug 12 15:57
schestowitz I realise that trolls act like a hard-to-get girl in the sense that they say “no” when you are on the right topic. That relates to the earlier discussion about “Microsoft bashing”, which they try hard to discouraging by attacking. Aug 12 15:57
PetoKraus :D no need to, i am finished. Aug 12 15:58
schestowitz *discourage Aug 12 15:58
twitter I’ve used sock puppets to get around the 2 posts a day that twitter is limited to. Aug 12 15:58
twitter trolls use sock puppets to crap flood the comments. Aug 12 15:58
PetoKraus yes. and any of your comments, even sane ones, are modded down Aug 12 15:59
schestowitz Trolls accused me before of sockpuppetting but I never before have done anything like this. Aug 12 15:59
twitter You don’t have a reason to.  twitter is a pen name anyway, so other pen names don’t make much of a difference to me. Aug 12 15:59
twitter reputation dilution bothers me but twitter has been mod bombed to -1 for about a year now.  I’ve got more to say than 1 or two comments a day. Aug 12 16:00
PetoKraus :) sure, i understand. Aug 12 16:02
twitter People gaming Slashdot would like for me to shut up.  I say bad things about M$ and good things about software freedom.  They are there to say something else. Aug 12 16:02
twitter They would like Slashdot to read like a M$ advert. Aug 12 16:03
PetoKraus there’s massive groupthing at /. Aug 12 16:03
PetoKraus *think… Aug 12 16:03
twitter You can say that about any movement.  Thought is what defines it. Aug 12 16:03
PetoKraus though, usually, for a pro-linux comment, you don’t get modded down. Bashing is different. Aug 12 16:03
schestowitz I had the same problem at Digg. Aug 12 16:04
PetoKraus moreover, the modding system is kind of collapsed. You don’t see much high rated comments these days Aug 12 16:04
schestowitz I was happy enough for over a year, leaving over 10,000 comments and then I had 4 people (at least 2-3 from USENET) modding down all my comments systematically. Aug 12 16:04
PetoKraus doh! many* Aug 12 16:04
schestowitz Even if I posted 40 comments a day, all of them were -3 within hours. I shows this to people at Digg and they believed me. I think it encouraged some of them to step out. Aug 12 16:05
twitter I don’t think moderation at slashdot reflects community opinion any more and I don’t pay attention to it any more than I pay attention to people who tell me what will bring me good moderation.  I’m there to chat, not to gain some kind of egold. Aug 12 16:05
schestowitz redhatcat left over a year ago saying that the place was getting filled with shills. Aug 12 16:05
PetoKraus :) yes, on the other hand – i used to read it frequently back in march & april Aug 12 16:06
PetoKraus since june… well, if i’d read 10 articles…. Aug 12 16:06
twitter People at the BRLUG noticed comments at Slashdot have been worthless for years. Aug 12 16:06
PetoKraus that’s the school holiday ;) Aug 12 16:06
twitter I still bother with Slashdot but the DX10 article was clearly wacky. Aug 12 16:07
schestowitz I didn’t follow the link. Where was it and did it support the ‘riot’ claims? Aug 12 16:08
PetoKraus what irritates me much more these days is gnome…. and epiphany. It used to be a good browser, but they fscked it too much… Aug 12 16:09
twitter Riot? Aug 12 16:09
PetoKraus i’ve noticed “cloud” related discussion here today Aug 12 16:10
schestowitz twitter: rather than celebrate like most people (“hurray!! OGL 3 is finally here!”) they rained on a parade that did not exist. Aug 12 16:12
twitter You handed me a much better article about siggraph and OpenGL than the crazy thing Slashdot ran about people all jumping to DX10 because they hate OpenGL now. Aug 12 16:12
PetoKraus i wouldn’t trust anyone with my sensitive data, and, i since i don’t know how well are, eg google docs, backed up, i wouldn’t trust it with my schoolwork as well. Aug 12 16:12
PetoKraus i mean, DX? come on, the thing which needed 10 versions to render goddamned god-rays? Aug 12 16:12
schestowitz Slashdot is too annoying for me to  read. It used t be good, but all I see there these days is Microsoft *LURVES* open source and Anrian Troll (from  ZeeDee0 says Linux sucks and might reach 1%. Aug 12 16:13
twitter I think it’s because firehose was blown out by people gaming it.  One of the things they did to lessen the gaming made it a much less useful tool.  I can’t figure out how to search by author anymore, so I can’t use it to find news from people I trust. Aug 12 16:15
schestowitz Yes, a friend told me about Firehose. I have no personal experience seeing it gamed, so… Aug 12 16:17
PetoKraus hehe, that vmware thing… ouch Aug 12 16:20
twitter It’s a lot like dig.  The trolls bury stories from people they don’t like. Aug 12 16:20
twitter This is part of why Slashdot stories have taken a dive.  They were forced to it, I imagine, by trolls flooding the old submission system and Slashdot is all about community input. Aug 12 16:22
schestowitz Same in Digg. There’s another issue there which is group voting. Aug 12 16:23
twitter It’s more like vote fraud and astroturf. Aug 12 16:24
schestowitz I can almost swear that OOo and Sun did this too, though. A couple of times I submitted something about OOo and out of nowhere came lots of people voting for it. Then it seemed like Digg adjusted something. I can tell Ars Technica has something going on…. they get Dugg no matter the content, almost. Aug 12 16:24
schestowitz Watch my profile in Google Groups. Aug 12 16:24
twitter I don’t know about Google Group profiles. Aug 12 16:25
schestowitz Instead of an introduction to self, I needed to explain to errand people what is going on (also because of the personal attacks and endless libel). http://groups.google.com/groups/prof… Aug 12 16:25
PetoKraus nzkrgh Aug 12 16:26
schestowitz Bless you. Aug 12 16:26
twitter I’d rather talk about how to promote GNU/Linux.  :) Aug 12 16:27
PetoKraus hehe. I still need to convince my granny… Aug 12 16:28
twitter The peer review thing works well for technical executives because most of them know how science really works. Aug 12 16:28
twitter Non technical executives know about “teamwork” Aug 12 16:28
schestowitz I’m not too sure about that. Aug 12 16:28
schestowitz They are very old-fashioned… the one’s I’ve worked with in academia anyway. Aug 12 16:29
schestowitz CTOs would be a separate thing. CIO… well, again, too senior… too sheltered in Big Vendor. Aug 12 16:29
twitter free software fits their views, it’s just that the terms have been poisoned Aug 12 16:29
twitter Vendor talk about “off the shelf” cheapness and competition works for free software too. Aug 12 16:30
twitter Nothing is cheaper than free and reasonable standards make “off the shelf” possible. Aug 12 16:30
schestowitz Thank you, gates: “What is the speed of spam? 7.8 billion messages per hour!” http://www.itwire.com/con… Aug 12 16:31
schestowitz 40% of the Windows PCs out there are estimated to be zombies. “Spam will be a thing of the past in two years’ time.” Bill Gates, 2004 Aug 12 16:31
schestowitz “There are no significant bugs in our released software that any significant number of users want fixed.” Bill Gates, 1995 Aug 12 16:32
schestowitz “The Internet? We are not interested in it.” Bill Gates, 1993 Aug 12 16:32
schestowitz “Like almost everyone who uses e-mail, I receive a ton of spam every day. Much of it offers to help me get out of debt or get rich quick. It would be funny if it weren’t so irritating.” Bill Gates Aug 12 16:32
schestowitz Gates farts in his own bath and then complains to the parents about the smell. That’s how it goes anyway. Aug 12 16:32
twitter Slashdot did an article about a year ago which claims that M$’s own numbers show 70% malware ownership. Aug 12 16:33
schestowitz Yes, but malware and zombies are not the same. Aug 12 16:33
twitter Why not? Aug 12 16:34
schestowitz In China, it’s like 90%, IIRC (2006) and 75% in the UK (2006, with a grain of salt). I just assume a Windows PC is fully or partly owned. Any information that goes on it can and /will/ be leaked (*ahem* shared and sold). Aug 12 16:34
schestowitz You can plant a keylogger on a PC, but I’m not sure that means you own the PC. YIt just broadcasts what the only OWn3r does to you. Aug 12 16:35
twitter A computer that has been hit by malware can also be made part of a botnet.  It’s the weakness that counts, not how kind malware authors are.  A computer than runs someone else’s software without my permission is essentially owned by that other person. Aug 12 16:36
schestowitz The value of a zombie PC is so low these days (so many of them), so I doubt the world will need HPC and Google Engine in the future, unless things change radically. Aug 12 16:36
schestowitz That would mean that *every* Windows PC is a zombie. Aug 12 16:37
schestowitz The choice of software can be malicious out of the box. Aug 12 16:37
twitter That is true. Aug 12 16:37
schestowitz It’s a question of how ‘kind’ your Masters are. Aug 12 16:37
twitter I’d rather have friends and peers than masters. Aug 12 16:38
schestowitz BTW, Microsoft *does*  already retort to ransomware/extortionware. But the people there wear suits, so people accept it as legal. Aug 12 16:38
schestowitz *resort Aug 12 16:38
twitter What problems have you had promoting free software with academic types? Aug 12 16:39
schestowitz Not much because I didn’t bother trying. Those whom I spoke to about it were keen (usually the younger adults). The older type thinks of it as foreign and “free” (in a bad sense). Aug 12 16:40
schestowitz In the UK, this can’t be started too well. It needs to be pushed from developing countries. Microsoft understands it, which is the reason it attacks the intelligence of South Africans and buys the Chinese authorities. Aug 12 16:41
schestowitz In India it resorted to corruption and today from Malaysia there’s this: http://www.openmalaysiablog.com/2008… http://www.openmalaysiablog.com/2008… Aug 12 16:42
schestowitz “Don’t you think it’s rather presumptuous of this particular foreign company to question the right of a country’s choice in a certain product? Maybe it’s because all these foreign companies just think that it’s not about choosing but about having a choice, and we poor third rate countries haven’t the brains to think for ourselves.” Aug 12 16:42
twitter I was able to use free software for my work and did not have much of a problem.  I had to use a few legacy systems, but they were already made and a time saver that could be treated like a black box. Aug 12 16:43
twitter I did not expect people to change the way they did things but it was not difficult to talk to them about free software. Aug 12 16:44
twitter Well, not too difficult.  Most academic types have open minds. Aug 12 16:45
schestowitz They should go Web-based. Aug 12 16:45
schestowitz In my job at Manchester Computing I sometimes needed to connect (from my Linux box) to a Windows server and run some program there like everybody else. They later made a Web interface for it (not tabs-compatible, but oh well…) Aug 12 16:46
schestowitz Anyway, I left that job in September so that I can focus on advocating FOSS. I’v e saved money over the years. Aug 12 16:47
twitter What are you doing these days? Aug 12 16:48
twitter A truly windows only service is something I get from a public terminal.  Thank goodness that’s rare. Aug 12 16:49
schestowitz I left that job after 6 years, so I’m not just watching the economy dying and rethinking going back. :-) I actually had two jobs in parallel over the years, so I can afford a Sabbatical-like  break. Aug 12 16:49
schestowitz My keyboards have a Windows key on them. And yes, *shudders*, I click it sometimes. Aug 12 16:50
twitter Someone on the BRLUG found a use for the windows key.  I think they called it a progression key.  My thinkpads and model M keyboards do not have windows keys. Aug 12 16:52
schestowitz Hypothetical, 10 years from now: “Mommy, what’s that key with the rectangle” [...] “Oh, that like ‘Print Screen’, honey, it’s legacy stuff” Aug 12 16:52
twitter You were working on a PhD? Aug 12 16:52
schestowitz Yes, in late 2005 I finished all the actual work, then it was just something to do in the weekends of whatever. Aug 12 16:53
schestowitz Actually, it was only around the middle of 2006 that I left it as a weekend thing. Aug 12 16:53
twitter Did you defend and all that? Aug 12 16:54
twitter Dr. is a cool title. Aug 12 16:54
schestowitz Yes, passed also. I have like a year to just complete the corrections. Aug 12 16:54
twitter Congratulations. Aug 12 16:54
schestowitz I do about… hmm… like week… that’s like what? 50 hours a year? :-) Aug 12 16:55
twitter Be careful to get it done before you forget how to do it. Aug 12 16:55
twitter I’m always shocked at things that I forget. Aug 12 16:56
schestowitz That’s the thing I needn’t worry about because there’s no more examination. Aug 12 16:56
schestowitz It’s just handing it in for a nod. Aug 12 16:56
schestowitz I can’t remember much about my final years project though. Aug 12 16:56
schestowitz http://othellomaster.com/ It’s a good thing that I documented it while it was fresh in my mind. Aug 12 16:57
schestowitz *year, not years Aug 12 16:57
twitter :) Aug 12 16:59
schestowitz Hmmm… what’s with Slashdot kicking VMWate in the crotch now? Has it run out of targets? Aug 12 17:01
twitter I saw some old work … Mars? Aug 12 17:01
schestowitz I’ve noticed that the Microsoft press and analysts (Yankee, Burton, etc,) have been attacking VMWare non-stop. Aug 12 17:02
twitter They have also been trash talking iPhone and pretty much everything that it a M$ competitor.  They are shrill because their stuff is not doing well. Aug 12 17:03
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twitter any way …. be sure to get your nod before staff changes. Aug 12 17:06
twitter now I find it.  http://schestowitz.com/introduction.htm Aug 12 17:06
twitter It’s a little out of date. Aug 12 17:06
schestowitz Yes, very. Aug 12 17:06
twitter Philips, the owners of Pinnacle, were looking for imaging guys recently.  It looked like big dumb company and non free hell but they would probably be impressed by your work. Aug 12 17:09
schestowitz Philips are the #1 swpatents felon in Europe. Aug 12 17:10
twitter Like I said, evil. Aug 12 17:11
schestowitz All that stuff that I started here from a professional POV seems secondary now. The companies too are not an enticement because I have no joy in spending. So it seems irrelevant to me — for now. Aug 12 17:12
twitter Even so, I see M$ charging in to destroy Phillips because they are a Unix user. Aug 12 17:12
schestowitz They are both. Aug 12 17:13
schestowitz They are more like SAP and Microsoft will scoop up some Microsoft-taxed (‘approved’) SUSE to them. Aug 12 17:13
schestowitz They stopped calling it “coupons” by the way. The honeymoon is over and the Microsoft agents now call it “patent royalties” in front of customers. Novell said this to Asay, from what I can gather. Aug 12 17:14
twitter No, M$ is probably going to back planning systems from other companies that run on Windows.  Almost all the other systems I’ve seen recently are like that and it is sickening. Aug 12 17:15
schestowitz It’s just like SCO and indemnification. “Have you used Linux in your company? Yes? Have you paid royalties yet?” They actually collect some from non-Novell Linux users, too. BillyPress doesn’t cover this. Aug 12 17:15
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twitter I saw that article you did on that.  Scary stuff. Aug 12 17:16
schestowitz It’s not so scary actually. No knees were harmed. Aug 12 17:17
twitter If M$ gets away with charging rent for free software, they will own it and it won’t be free anymore. Aug 12 17:17
twitter Once they own it they will probably destroy it. Aug 12 17:18
schestowitz Yes, that’s why it’s important to stand up and fight back. Else, the likes of IBMvespian will do their collusion of convenience. Aug 12 17:18
schestowitz IBM is no Saint, either. I don’t trust them. Aug 12 17:18
twitter With free software, you don’t need to trust IBM unless you want to. Aug 12 17:20
schestowitz To me, personally, this seems like a way of beginning to fight in justice and it seems more important than a pieca’ paper and a photo with a funny hat on (phd). Luckily, I did not get sufficiently distracted and i finished all right. I thought about taking a leave back in 2006. Aug 12 17:21
twitter I’m glad you finished.  You will be more effective with those credentials than without. Aug 12 17:24
schestowitz Yes, that’s why I stayed. Aug 12 17:25
schestowitz The rain has just stopped. I’m off to the gym. Catch you later. Aug 12 17:26
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schestowitz The BBC was ‘hijacked’. Aug 12 19:25
schestowitz “Which explains why they were pressured to ditch their own Dirac effort and move to an ‘open standards’ DRM protected open standard .. :) Do they realise yet that they now don’t own their own Internet content .. They gave away their Internet business to another company .. :)” Aug 12 19:25
schestowitz ‘the time has come for the BBC to start adopting open standards .. why are you not using your own Dirac codec? I am fully committed to the development and success of Dirac, but for now those efforts are focused on high-end broadcast applications’ – http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bb… Aug 12 19:25
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schestowitz Somone also mailed me this: “See the astroturfers making excuses~1 over on slashdot … http://entertainment.slashdot… Aug 12 19:26
schestowitz Ranked “Insightful’ : “In fairness to Microsoft, blue screens are normally due to bad hardware drivers. Whatever that thing actually was, it certainly wasn’t a normal monitor and I’ll bet the drivers are rather specific. And the less people use them, the fewer bugs are found. “ Aug 12 19:27
schestowitz I’m catching up with mail… We may have just caught another marketing company that spams the Web on behalf of Microsoft. I’ll post about it shortly. Aug 12 19:30
twitter Cool Aug 12 19:42
schestowitz I’ll write about it soon. Aug 12 19:42
schestowitz fullsix.com mryouth.com are among the ‘marketing’ (AstroTurfing) companies . Any information you can find about them (especially accusations) would be handy. I already have a few. Aug 12 19:43
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Tallken schestowitz: does anyone have a decent screenshot of the BSOD to determine the cause? Because it is true, usually it’s the drivers fault; HOWEVER that argument can be used as a positive argument towards Linux, as all drivers source are available for everyone to fix and at a central point Aug 12 20:20
Tallken I honestly don’t understand how MS doesn’t demand manufacturer’s source of their drivers Aug 12 20:20
Tallken if it is indeed usually a manufacturer’s driver fault of most BSODs Aug 12 20:21
schestowitz http://rivercoolcool.spaces.live.com/blog/… Aug 12 20:21
Tallken I think 30% is due to Nvidia/ATI/Intel graphics Aug 12 20:21
schestowitz That’s the one a friend sent me. Aug 12 20:21
schestowitz Also: “China Olympic ceremony star mimed http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/as… And they faked the giant footprints ..” Aug 12 20:21
Tallken not a driver issue it’d seem Aug 12 20:22
Tallken I’ll try to Google it Aug 12 20:22
Tallken need an opinion Aug 12 20:23
Tallken 0×0000…F4 ? Aug 12 20:23
Tallken 0x000000F4 ? Aug 12 20:24
schestowitz Does the diagnosis matter much? Aug 12 20:24
Tallken Ranked “Insightful’ : “In fairness to Microsoft, blue screens are normally due to bad hardware drivers. Whatever that thing actually was, it certainly wasn’t a normal monitor and I’ll bet the drivers are rather specific. And the less people use them, the fewer bugs are found. “ Aug 12 20:24
schestowitz Are you sure that’s the code? And can you tell what it translates to? Aug 12 20:24
Tallken you can either dismiss as a propaganda Aug 12 20:24
schestowitz Yes, posted this earlier in here. Aug 12 20:24
Tallken or dismiss it with a decent diagnosis of the problem Aug 12 20:25
schestowitz I’m going to post something about the agencies Microsoft hires to post comments. Aug 12 20:25
Tallken yes I know I pasted from your copied text lol Aug 12 20:25
Tallken ok but Aug 12 20:25
schestowitz A friend of mine watched many comments and complained. Aug 12 20:25
Tallken lol I’ll comment the Slashdot myself, I want to get part of the fun as well Aug 12 20:25
schestowitz In fact, all my friends who read Slashdot accuse the site of being riddled with abuse. Aug 12 20:25
Tallken I’ll share your friend’s blog address Aug 12 20:26
Tallken want credit for the URL ? Aug 12 20:26
schestowitz Oh, which blog? Aug 12 20:26
Tallken http://rivercoolcool.spaces.live.com Aug 12 20:26
schestowitz It was just sent to me. I don’t know whose blog it is. Aug 12 20:26
Tallken ah ok ok Aug 12 20:28
Tallken Hail BBC site!!!!!!!! Cannot play media. Sorry, this media is not available in your territory. Aug 12 20:28
schestowitz BBC is not to be replied on really. They can’t be trusted with money on the table. Aug 12 20:30
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Tallken still thinking about it, they disabled reboot on errors lol Aug 12 20:33
schestowitz http://www.electronista.com/article… Aug 12 20:34
schestowitz London Stock Exchange was brave enough to become a Windows case study. The market crashed.. not the stock, but the entire system! Aug 12 20:36
*Tallken away Aug 12 20:38
schestowitz A friend of mine has just mailed me with an angry complaint about Astroturfing in Slashdot, specifically /today/. It is that bad today? Aug 12 20:40
twitter It’s been that bad for a week or so. Aug 12 20:44
twitter The last few days have been worse than normal.  It’s always that way at the end of summer because readership is down over summer vacations. Aug 12 20:45
twitter This year is worse than usual. Aug 12 20:45
schestowitz Same in USENET, I think. They attack people, not FOSS or Linux. Aug 12 20:46
twitter When you look at who they attack, it’s clear that they are attacking FOSS, Linux, independent music and other free competitors. Aug 12 20:47
twitter On Slashdot, they attack everything sane.  Have you ever read anti-slash.org?  They publish everything they do. Aug 12 20:48
schestowitz Those that have cash cows and ‘marketing’ companies Aug 12 20:48
schestowitz Anyway, I’ve asked someone for some help with unveiling the trolling firms. Aug 12 20:48
schestowitz Also remember Microsoft’s elevated marketing budget. Aug 12 20:49
twitter As for the issue of BSoD, the user does not really care if it’s a driver or Bill Gate’s special ninja code that does it.  They only care that it happens on Windows and not so much on other systems. Aug 12 20:51
twitter The less non free software you have, the more stable your system will be. Aug 12 20:52
Tallken Closer look at the BSOD: http://qwyqwq.blu.livefilestore.c… Aug 12 20:52
Tallken twitter: http://img99.imageshack.us/img9… ;) Aug 12 20:53
twitter Thanks, but I’ve seen enough of those. Aug 12 20:53
Tallken twitter: the last one is X11 ;) Aug 12 20:53
Tallken on a supermarket :) Aug 12 20:53
twitter Yeah, it looks like it lost it’s touch screen and it’s mind.  So what? Aug 12 20:54
schestowitz Maybe they pressed the wrong keys… CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE. :-) File errors.. Aug 12 20:54
twitter No, that usually respawns X Aug 12 20:55
twitter file errors, that’s usually a hardware failure sign. Aug 12 20:55
Tallken lol you’re using the same excuse as MS :P Aug 12 21:01
schestowitz They have used this excuse for years. Aug 12 21:02
twitter No, free software drivers work and free systems often handle hardware failures gracefully.  It’s been ages since I’ve had X crash. Aug 12 21:03
schestowitz KDE4 blamed Nvidia for some driver issues (crashes) too. Aug 12 21:03
schestowitz The Linux developers point a finger at Nvidia as well. Aug 12 21:03
twitter Nvidia is non free software.  It is not surprising that non free software does not work well. Aug 12 21:03
twitter The 2D nvidia drivers are free and they work well. Aug 12 21:03
schestowitz Kernel space: drivers that don’t make the kernel scene http://www.linuxworld.com/news/2008/06… Aug 12 21:04
schestowitz How NVidia impedes Free Desktop adoption. http://vizzzion.org/?blogentry=819 Aug 12 21:04
schestowitz Linux Foundation points finger at Nvidia http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9975720… Aug 12 21:04
schestowitz Position Statement on Linux Kernel Modules https://www.linuxfoundation.org/e… Aug 12 21:04
schestowitz NVidia says no to request to release open source drivers, once again http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=2588 Aug 12 21:04
schestowitz Linux Kernel Developers Call for Open Source Drivers – Weakly http://technocrat.net/d/2008/6/23/44265 Aug 12 21:04
Tallken The error is apparently 0x000000F4 (0×00000000, 0x8A014260, 0x8A0143D4, 0×80609528) Aug 12 21:07
Tallken got a check here: http://meiobit.pop.com.br/indust… (Brazilian Portuguese) Aug 12 21:07
Tallken « Aug 12 21:08
Tallken 0x000000F4: CRITICAL_OBJECT_TERMINATION Aug 12 21:08
Tallken One of the many processes or threads crucial to system operation has unexpectedly exited or been terminated. As a result, the system can no longer function. Specific causes are many, and often best resolved by a careful history of the problem and the circumstances of the error message. One user, who experienced this on return from Standby mode on Win XP SP2, found the cause was that Windows was installed on a slave drive. Aug 12 21:08
Tallken » Aug 12 21:08
Tallken so Microsoft’s fault Aug 12 21:08
Tallken not because a 3rd party driver Aug 12 21:08
schestowitz Good investigative work. Aug 12 21:08
Tallken :) Aug 12 21:09
twitter AMD/ATI work is encouraging. Aug 12 21:09
Tallken it was pasted from that Brazilian site, just checked out if the info was correct :) Aug 12 21:09
schestowitz I see the comment now. Aug 12 21:09
schestowitz NVidia is just too arrogant to listen to the customers. That too will pass. I hear from a good source that they have a big announcement coming. Aug 12 21:10
schestowitz It’s embargoed though. Aug 12 21:10
twitter You can imagine the pain M$ could inflict on Nvidia if they were to really be friendly to free software. Aug 12 21:12
schestowitz http://bigtech.blogs.fortune… Aug 12 21:13
schestowitz A moment ago I posted about it, saying that Ballmer would blast some Dell kneecaps (it runs Linux on every machine). Aug 12 21:13
Tallken Well, going to document properly that BSOD and afterwards comment on Slashdot Aug 12 21:14
Tallken it’s going to be an interesting experience :) Aug 12 21:14
schestowitz Slashdot anger a lot of people today. Aug 12 21:16
twitter ha ha, ” One is an optional Linux-based low-power mode called Dell Latitude On, which boots in two seconds. It offers more than a day’s worth of battery life for basic tasks like web surfing, Exchange e-mail, and viewing e-mail attachments, and runs on an ARM-based (ARMH) chip rather than the main Intel processor. (HP and Lenovo laptops offer similar Linux modes, but with fewer capabilities.)” Aug 12 21:44
twitter Sounds great if only they would get rid of the Intel half and give me enough memory to be useful. Aug 12 21:45
twitter Broadcom chips, count me out. Aug 12 21:45
schestowitz Wait for H-P, I guess ( http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag… ), but they are arguably worse. Aug 12 21:46
schestowitz Asus too ( http://apcmag.com/Content.aspx?id=2318 http://www.linuxworld.com.au/ind… ) is now claiming to be “tied up with Microsoft”. Aug 12 21:47
twitter As you noticed, none of them have the $200 laptops we should be seeing. Aug 12 21:47
schestowitz No, that’s called “vapourware” (c/f Microsoft). Aug 12 21:49
twitter There is plenty of life left in my Thinkpad X30.  I bought my daughter an original EEEPC.  It is usable, but I’m not about to Debonate it yet. Aug 12 21:49
schestowitz It’s kintended to just injure competitor and it’s considered a fraud. Intel must be happy now that OLPC, which it mocked in front of representatives, is not in a good shape. It can return to price-fixing. Aug 12 21:50
twitter An arm or AMD based laptop should not cost more than $200. Aug 12 21:50
schestowitz ARM hasn’t got them ready yet, but it has smart phones, which sell at much greater numbers. Aug 12 21:51
schestowitz As for AMD, I like them (sympathise rather), but expecting justice there with antitrust in China, Japan, EU and eye the NY legislator is like having a teacher expect a /patent/ to punish his/her child. The legal system does not work. Microsoft too proved that crime pays off. Aug 12 21:53
twitter I’ve had a Zaurus for six years.  Arm was ready then and it should be ready now. Aug 12 21:53
schestowitz *parent *eye ->even Aug 12 21:53
twitter The M$ story is not over yet. Aug 12 21:54
Tallken well going out Aug 12 21:54
Tallken will do the BSoD page later or tomorrow Aug 12 21:54
Tallken cya guys :) Aug 12 21:54
twitter :) Aug 12 21:54
schestowitz *LOL* It’s not over! Aug 12 21:54
schestowitz Forensics. Aug 12 21:55
twitter The Dell story is interesting, but not nearly as interesting as their preloads. Aug 12 21:55
twitter In fact, this “On” laptop does just what M$ would like to see it do.  It sells a Vista license and gives you a second rate Linux toy to despise.  Free software is taxed and marginalized at the same time. Aug 12 21:56
schestowitz Taxed? Aug 12 21:56
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schestowitz What if we started to refer to Moonlight using a different name? “Moonlight” has a positive connotation (unless it’s about the dark Web). Given how poor it is (need to compile it and compatibility wrt Silverfish is nowhere), can one call it “Messlight”? Maybe it’ll open people’s eyes to what it really is. Aug 12 22:27
twitter loonlight Aug 12 22:29
schestowitz Heh. Aug 12 22:29
schestowitz The term ‘ballnux’ caught on. It used to return just 0 results and now: “Results 1 – 50 of about 1,290 for ballnux.” http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=… Aug 12 22:30
twitter Oh, I see I missed a question.  The Dell machine Taxed because it comes with Windows and you pay for that license.  Or so I imagine, even if they don’t come with Windows. Aug 12 22:31
schestowitz How about LooLight: http://boycottnovell.com/wp-conten… Aug 12 22:31
twitter Too UK, I think. Aug 12 22:33
twitter LuneLight makes fun of earlier name calling, Loonix Aug 12 22:34
twitter Oh my, there is a loonix  http://freshmeat.net/projects/loonix/ Aug 12 22:36
schestowitz I’ll go with it. Aug 12 22:36
schestowitz The problem is that the BillPress has given a lot of publicity to Moonlight and I doubt it was ‘natural’, if you know what I mean. There’s always some prodding behind the hood. Aug 12 22:36
twitter :) Aug 12 22:37
twitter They gave a lot of attention to Vista too.  By the time it had rolled out almost everyone had heard about it but no one was interested. Aug 12 22:38
schestowitz Vista coverage is another fiasco. The BBC came under fire for it. Aug 12 22:39
schestowitz I think they invested $600 million in marketing before launch time. Aug 12 22:39
schestowitz Maybe it was 1 billion. I’d have to check my 2006 refs. Aug 12 22:40
twitter http://it.slashdot.org/article… Aug 12 22:40
twitter They managed to reach 87% of the world and 88% wanted nothing to do with it. Aug 12 22:40
schestowitz They started high because of perception (marketing). The figures get worse over time. Aug 12 22:41
schestowitz People’s mind sober up. Aug 12 22:41
schestowitz *minds Aug 12 22:41
twitter In the Vista case, the figures got much worse.  They fell from 12% interest to single digit use. Aug 12 22:42
schestowitz In enterprise, several months ago, InfoWeek reported 1%. Aug 12 22:46
twitter :) This is a good time for free software to fill the need for modern software. Aug 12 22:47
schestowitz http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archiv… “A year after it  began shipping, less than one percent of corporate desktops are running  Vista. ” Aug 12 22:47
schestowitz Watch this graph:http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/vi… (GNU/Linux surpasses Macs?) Aug 12 22:48
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twitter No telling.  The source is hostile. Aug 12 22:52
twitter The only thing I trust from that article is that business does not want vista Aug 12 22:55
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twitter gotta go, see you later. Aug 12 22:57
schestowitz Will do. Aug 12 23:00
trmanco http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08/… Aug 12 23:18
trmanco oops Aug 12 23:18
trmanco wrong place Aug 12 23:18
trmanco sorry :| Aug 12 23:19
schestowitz Thaks. Aug 12 23:19
schestowitz This is not the first attack on John Markoff  that I see. Aug 12 23:20
schestowitz Who is “Tim Anderson” and why does he suddenly show up on the Reg just to defend Silverlight? Aug 12 23:21
schestowitz See this one from earlier today: http://www.itwire.com/conten…  (“No lawyer would ever be paid the same rates for a third-rate article about FOSS as he/she is paid for listening to a client – hence my scepticism.”) Aug 12 23:22
trmanco don’t know who the Tim Anderson, or  John Markoff are… I’m not the king of guy that memorizes the names of who writes articles Aug 12 23:24
trmanco kind* Aug 12 23:24
trmanco thanks for the link Aug 12 23:25
schestowitz That was a useful pointer, thanks. I’m just a little skeptic when a paper ‘imports’ an article. Why? What’s the motive? Aug 12 23:25
schestowitz See this one that I published 2 minutes ago http://boycottnovell.com/2008… and  better yet, watch this: http://boycottnovell.com/2008… Aug 12 23:26
trmanco money maybe… Aug 12 23:29
trmanco I’m subscribed to your feed, for one reason, you write good articles, I really like them :) Aug 12 23:30
schestowitz Thanks! I didn’t realise it would interest others. I began this whole thing because people attacked me and I wanted to get answers, which led to a lot of exploration. The same goes for Microsoft’s attacks on FOSS using patents, potentially SCO, maybe Novell (in the future). We’ll have answers one day… maybe justice, too. Aug 12 23:32
trmanco hope so Aug 12 23:33
trmanco I think you are gaining a pretty good fan base, I found boycottnovell from one portuguese blogger who is like you on discussing FOSS and OSS, Aug 12 23:35
schestowitz Cool, what’s the blogger’s name? I might know him/her. Aug 12 23:37
trmanco bruno miguel Aug 12 23:37
trmanco i think Aug 12 23:37
trmanco wow better not use bashee :| Aug 12 23:37
schestowitz Oh, I know him not personally, but he writes lots of popular stuff. Aug 12 23:37
trmanco yes Aug 12 23:38
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    Computers have been turned into hostile black boxes (unlike Blackbox) that distrust the person who purchased them; moreover, from a legislative point of view, encryption (i.e. computer security) is perceived and treated by governments like a threat instead of something imperative — a necessity for society’s empowerment (privacy is about control and people in positions of unjust power want total and complete control)

  4. Peak Code — Part I: Before the Wars

    Article/series by Dr. Andy Farnell: "in the period between 1960 and 2060 people had mistaken what they called "The Internet" for a communications system, when it had in fact been an Ideal and a Battleground all along - the site of the 100 years info-war."

  5. Links 21/1/2022: RISC-V Development Board and Rust 1.58.1

    Links for the day

  6. IRC Proceedings: Thursday, January 20, 2022

    IRC logs for Thursday, January 20, 2022

  7. Gemini Lets You Control the Presentation Layer to Suit Your Own Needs

    In Gemini (or the Web as seen through Gemini clients such as Kristall) the user comes first; it's not sites/capsules that tell the user how pages are presented/rendered, as they decide only on structural/semantic aspects

  8. The Future of Techrights

    Futures are difficult to predict, but our general vision for the years ahead revolves around more community involvement and less (none or decreased) reliance on third parties, especially monopolistic corporations, mostly because they oppress the population via the network and via electronic devices

  9. [Meme] UPC for CJEU

    When you do illegal things and knowingly break the law to get started with a “legal” system you know it’ll end up in tears… or the CJEU

  10. Links 20/1/2022: 'Pluton' Pushback and Red Hat Satellite 6.10.2

    Links for the day

  11. The Web is a Corporate Misinformation/Disinformation Platform, Biased Against Communities, Facts, and Science

    Misinformation/disinformation in so-called 'news' sites is a pandemic which spreads; in the process, the founder of GNU/Linux gets defamed and GNU/Linux itself is described as the problem, not the solution to the actual problems

  12. Links 20/1/2022: McKinsey Openwashing and Stable Kernels

    Links for the day

  13. IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, January 19, 2022

    IRC logs for Wednesday, January 19, 2022

  14. Links 20/1/2022: Linuxfx 11.1 WxDesktop 11.0.3 and FreeIPMI 1.6.9 Released

    Links for the day

  15. Links 19/1/2022: XWayland 22.1 RC1 and OnlyOffice 7.0 Release

    Links for the day

  16. Links 19/1/2022: ArchLabs 2022.01.18 and KDE's 15-Minute Bug Initiative

    Links for the day

  17. When Twitter Protects Abusers and Abuse (and Twitter's Sponsors)

    Twitter is an out-of-control censorship machine and it should be treated accordingly even by those who merely "read" or "follow" Twitter accounts; Twitter is a filter, not a news/media platform or even means of communication

  18. IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, January 18, 2022

    IRC logs for Tuesday, January 18, 2022

  19. Links 19/1/2022: Wine 7.x Era Begins and Istio 1.12.2 is Out

    Links for the day

  20. Another Video IBM Does Not Want You to Watch

    It seems very much possible that IBM (or someone close to IBM) is trying to purge me from Twitter, so let’s examine what they may be trying to distract from. As we put it 2 years ago, "Watson" is a lot more offensive than those supposedly offensive words IBM is working to purge; think about those hundreds of Red Hat workers who are black and were never told about ethnic purges of blacks facilitated by IBM (their new boss).

  21. What IBM Does Not Want You to Watch

    Let's 'Streisand it'...

  22. Good News, Bad News (and Back to Normal)

    When many services are reliant on the integrity of a single, very tiny MicroSD card you're only moments away from 2 days of intensive labour (recovery, investigation, migration, and further coding); we've learned our lessons and took advantage of this incident to upgrade the operating system, double the storage space, even improve the code slightly (for compatibility with newer systems)

  23. Someone Is Very Desperate to Knock My Account Off Twitter

    Many reports against me — some successful — are putting my free speech (and factual statements) at risk

  24. Links 18/1/2022: Deepin 20.4 and Qubes OS 4.1.0 RC4

    Links for the day

  25. Links 18/1/2022: GNOME 42 Alpha and KStars 3.5.7

    Links for the day

  26. IRC Proceedings: Monday, January 17, 2022

    IRC logs for Monday, January 17, 2022

  27. Links 17/1/2022: More Microsoft-Connected FUD Against Linux as Its Share Continues to Fall

    Links for the day

  28. The GUI Challenge

    The latest article from Andy concerns the Command Line Challenge

  29. Links 17/1/2022: digiKam 7.5.0 and GhostBSD 22.01.12 Released

    Links for the day

  30. IRC Proceedings: Sunday, January 16, 2022

    IRC logs for Sunday, January 16, 2022

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