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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: August 28th, 2008

Posted in IRC Logs at 6:24 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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twitter big ha ha.  http://science.slashdot.org/artic… Aug 28 02:35
twitter wherever windows goes, there will be problems. Aug 28 02:35
ReverseGTR it will evolve Aug 28 02:35
ReverseGTR resistence is futile Aug 28 02:35
MinceR if it bleeds, we can kill it. Aug 28 02:39
ReverseGTR MinceR: hence my last comment Aug 28 02:39
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mib_3h4ih0 What the heck is wrong with this picture? http://www.linuxinsider.com/… This guy’s writing for an open source blog and the start off line is, “After x amount of years, I’ve decided to take the open source plunge”. Aug 28 04:01
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mib_3h4ih0 This is the quote”, “Rather than buy a new machine running Windows Vista or take the Mac plunge, I decided to walk the open source walk.” Aug 28 04:05
ReverseGTR mb: Unix ain’t a walk in the park for everyone Aug 28 04:10
mib_3h4ih0 Maybe need fresh ideas, too quick to judge, I’m newb so evangelism for FOSS to me is fresh. Aug 28 04:12
ReverseGTR mib: I am not saying Vista and Apple are easy underniether there point and click venere either Aug 28 04:14
ReverseGTR I meant underneath their point and click venere. I am out of it Aug 28 04:14
ReverseGTR the main issue that scares people from command lines and scripting themselves is there was never an easier OS or not enough apps to step up from Aug 28 04:17
mib_3h4ih0 Installed Lenny beta late last month, was told, “Don’t do that-will give you bad taste for Linux”. I’m hard-headed got it to where I love it-it does everything I want it to do. Aug 28 04:19
mib_3h4ih0 Then a guy clued me into “APT-BUILD”. Will clonezilla my drive and onto apt-build world. Aug 28 04:20
ReverseGTR some people are a afraid of change Aug 28 04:20
ReverseGTR looks cool, now I want to try it ecspecially since it takes advantage of amd64 systems Aug 28 04:21
mib_3h4ih0 Had enough of windows and apple looks worse. Aug 28 04:22
ReverseGTR mib: I am pissed how Apple had to go with Intel and embrace IA-64 over x86-64 Aug 28 04:23
mib_3h4ih0 AMD64, cool, more to play with now. Aug 28 04:24
ReverseGTR mib: indeed and hopefully more for Linux apps to grow from Aug 28 04:26
ReverseGTR not that those with Intel boxes should be left out either Aug 28 04:26
ReverseGTR nor VIA Aug 28 04:26
mib_3h4ih0 Trying to stay away from Intel; they’re trying to muscle away competition. Aug 28 04:29
ReverseGTR mib: hence why them and M$ made such lovely partners in creaming OLPC. Even though how OLPC was managed lately leaves much to be desired. Aug 28 04:30
ReverseGTR mib: I wonder if  amd64 kernels actually means just x86-64 compatible and it would work with VIA Nano based computers which are also x86-64 Aug 28 04:33
mib_3h4ih0 Was going to ask if they make laptops or desktops VIA based instead of intel. Since I got a AMD Turion x64 with ATI discrete video. Aug 28 04:35
mib_3h4ih0 Gotta run, dad’s home but will try to stay logged. Aug 28 04:48
mib_3h4ih0 Thanks Aug 28 04:48
ReverseGTR higher end HP Mininotes or 2133 can be ordered with Nanos Aug 28 05:13
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mib_f793uv great! Aug 28 06:25
mib_f793uv mibbit is blocked in my college! irc is blocked! Aug 28 06:25
mib_f793uv but this embed works! Aug 28 06:25
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PetoKraus hahahahahah! that nasa news just made my day Aug 28 07:29
ReverseGTR three hurahs for Soviet space technology no computer viruses Aug 28 07:31
ReverseGTR cya’ll Aug 28 07:32
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PetoKraus in soviet russia, space infects… ummm. .. you!!! Aug 28 07:32
schestowitz Maybe they couldn’t renew their OneKer [sic] subscription out there in space. Aug 28 07:48
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schestowitz MONOME: http://monome.org/ http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/… (not what it sounds like) Aug 28 09:07
PetoKraus sounds like Mono millenium edition Aug 28 09:09
schestowitz I thought I’d made up the term, or maybe it was Beranger. Aug 28 09:10
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/02/15/mon… “These ‘Monopendencies’ could soon turn GNOME into MONOME, making it virtually impossible in due time to use basic applications without Mono somewhere in the dependecies tree. Moonlight is a good example of such dangers.” Aug 28 09:10
schestowitz PetoKraus: you were talking about Debian Live CDs the other day. Just in: http://lists.debian.org/debian-deve… Aug 28 09:38
PetoKraus yup, i see Aug 28 09:43
PetoKraus DW has the article covered already Aug 28 09:43
schestowitz About that article about the Czech  Rpublic, PJ just wrote: “Isn’t it ridiculous that it’s nearly impossible to avoid buying Vista on a new computer, even if you have no desire to get Vista? And then Microsoft counts such “sales” as indicating an interest in Vista.]” Aug 28 09:45
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zoobab pong Aug 28 10:06
schestowitz Howdy, zoobab Aug 28 10:06
schestowitz Some patents stuff going on today. Aug 28 10:07
schestowitz PJ got my messages about the news and she added: “”I wonder if the pro-software patents strategy is to solicit input from the public, stack it, and then claim the public demands software patents? In the prior News Picks item, we see such a request in the UK. Here’s one in Malaysia, so if you notice others in your country, will you please let me know?” Aug 28 10:07
schestowitz I still use Digital Majority as my main source for patent news. Aug 28 10:07
zoobab Malaysia Aug 28 10:09
zoobab yes but I need help to feed this portal Aug 28 10:09
schestowitz Found this one 10 seconds ago: “I wonder if the pro-software patents strategy is to solicit input from the public, stack it, and then claim the public demands software patents? In the prior News Picks item, we see such a request in the UK. Here’s one in Malaysia, so if you notice others in your country, will you please let me know?” Aug 28 10:09
zoobab I should outsource it to the Community Aug 28 10:09
schestowitz Oops. Aug 28 10:10
schestowitz http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8… Aug 28 10:10
zoobab I will put the submit form in anonymous Aug 28 10:10
zoobab ok Aug 28 10:10
zoobab Roy, do you have a wikidot login? Aug 28 10:10
schestowitz I haven’t, no. Aug 28 10:10
schestowitz Let me get one. Aug 28 10:10
zoobab U.S. patents 6,417,801; 6,937,187; 6,606,346; 7,158,080; 6,704,651; and 6,651,000 Aug 28 10:11
zoobab we have to check whether those patents are soft or not Aug 28 10:11
schestowitz “combined with an ‘apparatus’” Aug 28 10:12
schestowitz OK, I’ve got an account now. Aug 28 10:13
schestowitz DM: “Permission error – Sorry, you can not start new discussion thread. Only Wikidot.com registered users, members of this site, site administrators and perhaps selected moderators are allowed to.” Aug 28 10:14
zoobab ok Aug 28 10:16
schestowitz Microsoft, Nikon sign patent-sharing deal : http://news.cnet.com/8301-135… Aug 28 10:31
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taq hi there Aug 28 13:21
taq anybody out there? :-) Aug 28 13:24
schestowitz Hey there. Aug 28 13:28
schestowitz What’s up, taq? Aug 28 13:29
taq hey roy Aug 28 13:29
taq did you see icaza with a little smear campaign about GPL? Aug 28 13:29
taq http://tinyurl.com/6clka9 Aug 28 13:30
trmanco http://www.frsirt.com/english/advisorie… -> Mono has a problem Aug 28 13:33
PetoKraus vulnerability reported by redhat – hehe Aug 28 13:42
schestowitz RMS accused de Icaza of ODF smears last year. Aug 28 13:42
schestowitz *LOL* “Vulnerability reported by Redhat.” Aug 28 13:43
taq so somebody tells RMS about what he’s saying about GPL now :-) Aug 28 13:43
schestowitz has someone already told him? If not, I will. Aug 28 13:43
taq let me drop him a note … Aug 28 13:45
schestowitz please. Aug 28 13:45
taq send one also :-) Aug 28 13:45
PetoKraus former GNOME head… and talking about [GPL as] annoying licensing issues Aug 28 13:47
PetoKraus duh Aug 28 13:47
taq PetoKraus, his boss thinks that GPL it’s a cancer, so … ;-) Aug 28 13:48
PetoKraus where does he work now? Aug 28 13:48
PetoKraus aha. Aug 28 13:48
schestowitz Found it!! http://www.mail-archive.com/foundation… Aug 28 13:49
taq PetoKraus, that’s a question of interpretation. :-) Aug 28 13:49
PetoKraus well, i meant formally Aug 28 13:49
PetoKraus ;) Aug 28 13:49
taq PetoKraus, even formally the truth starts to appear. :-) Aug 28 13:51
PetoKraus well, he’s at Novell, isn’t he Aug 28 13:52
taq PetoKraus, yeah, and who is giving rivers of money to Novell? :-) Aug 28 13:52
PetoKraus i meant formally :P Aug 28 13:52
trmanco here is the start of the email -> http://www.mail-archive.com/foundati… Aug 28 13:53
schestowitz Sent to RMS. Aug 28 13:54
schestowitz I spotted the following in Miguel’s blog this morning (he supports .NET): “It is licensed under the MIT X11 license and the Apache 2.0 license so there are no annoying licensing issues and can be mixed with anything out there.” This seems like a public shot to the GNU GPL to me. Aug 28 13:54
schestowitz I’ll blog this in a moment anyway. Aug 28 13:54
taq it’s amazing how things are going these days Aug 28 13:55
trmanco I have to check the MIT X11 license Aug 28 13:55
taq seems that a confuse puzzle made some years ago finally is showing a clear figure Aug 28 13:55
taq strong support from everything that comes from microsoft, from code to “standards”, a lot of money coming from there, smear campaigns … Aug 28 13:59
schestowitz trmanco: Novell licenses Banshee and other Mono project with MIT X11 (IIRC). Aug 28 14:00
schestowitz The supposition a few months ago was that it’s a case of preparing these things for /ownership/, shipping them to many distros, and if Microsoft then buys Novell… Aug 28 14:01
trmanco yes the banshee thing I know, What I don’t know is the terms of the license, I’ll have to check Aug 28 14:01
schestowitz Let me find it. Aug 28 14:01
schestowitz Someone attacked me for pointing that out, sort of.. Aug 28 14:02
taq schestowitz, there are a lot of “guards” out there …. Aug 28 14:02
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/07/14… Aug 28 14:02
trmanco schestowitz, thanks Aug 28 14:02
schestowitz taq: yes, I know. Not just in BN, I see them everywhere. Often the same names. Aug 28 14:02
taq commented :-) Aug 28 14:17
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schestowitz Ta. Aug 28 14:21
trmanco http://news.cnet.com/Brazils-l… Aug 28 14:28
taq hey, I’m from Brazil Aug 28 14:31
taq there is another big store that have a lot of GNU/Linux terminals: Magazine Luiza Aug 28 14:31
trmanco well I wish my country would be like Brazil Aug 28 14:31
schestowitz Haven’t read it yet, but it comes from a Microsoft mol,e Ina Fried. Aug 28 14:31
taq last week I was there buying some stuff and I noticed the terminals … Aug 28 14:31
schestowitz S/he ha already taken a cheap shot in Microsoft before (referring to Brazil), the last time being 2-3 days ago. Aug 28 14:32
schestowitz Weasel sentences and words from Microsoft-’approved’ ‘analysts’. Aug 28 14:32
schestowitz As I expected, having looked at the article, the Fried Shill is downplaying the impact of Free software. Aug 28 14:34
PetoKraus umm: http://www.microsoft.com/surface/ -> flash? i thought silverlight! Aug 28 14:41
schestowitz Surface is DoA Aug 28 14:53
schestowitz They were going to kill it before it even arrives, but Charman Bill said no. Aug 28 14:54
schestowitz Watch my stalker trying to bury my story (by his own admission) before it reaches the front page: http://digg.com/linux_unix/New_Linux_… Aug 28 14:57
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MinceR privacy a la m$: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2… Aug 28 15:15
MinceR “Although casual users cannot see the previous user’s search history, authorities such as the police will be able to access it if necessary.” Aug 28 15:15
schestowitz Yes, I’m writing about it right now. :-) Aug 28 15:17
schestowitz Give me 5 minutes. Aug 28 15:17
MinceR :) Aug 28 15:18
schestowitz I need to dig some stuff up about Microsoft stealing people’s ideas and claiming innov~1 Aug 28 15:19
schestowitz INNOVA~1 (8 chars) rather Aug 28 15:19
MinceR :) Aug 28 15:21
schestowitz I do one last pass (proofreading). I’m sure I always have plenty of typos left anyway. Aug 28 15:22
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MinceR public away is evil Aug 28 17:05
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schestowitz MinceR: I’m back now. Aug 28 17:46
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schestowitz CNET-IDC idiocy: the judge GNU/Linux market share not by use of installed base; they base it on one thing: money! http://news.cnet.com/8301… First comment: “Dude- you confuse revenue figures (money) with actual machines installed (which you can’t measure via money).” Aug 28 18:02
MinceR well, they’re suits, they still don’t get it Aug 28 18:06
schestowitz I know, but I tried to explain this to Asay. He knows IDC is a fraud, yet he continues to cite these figure (just some top hardware vendors in this case). I’ve also just noticed TONS of trolls in this submission I sneaked into the FP of Digg: http://digg.com/linux_un… Some of them echo the Big Lies. Aug 28 18:07
schestowitz The bastards also buried the story for no valid reason. Aug 28 18:09
schestowitz You know what I’m gonna do? I’ll dig up more Microsoft AstroTurfing stories and post them. Microsoft employees seemingly admitted that they are encouraged to post in ZDNet and I see them in there. Also CNET… with labels like “anti-Microsoft” and statements like “Linux is less than 1% overall”. Aug 28 18:12
MinceR isn’t Asay some crapple fanboy? Aug 28 18:13
schestowitz Apple, yes. He can’t put it to rest. Aug 28 18:15
schestowitz What da…………. “The DTK i10 uses an Intel Atom N 270 (1.6 GHz) processor, and utilises Windows XP under the bonnet, as opposed to a proprietary Linux-based operating system like many other clones.” http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inqu… Aug 28 18:19
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MinceR reading the discussion once again reminds me why i prefer /. over digg :> Aug 28 18:23
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schestowitz Slashdot has its share on noise too. The MSBBC, meanwhile, advertises for its partner at taxpayers’ expense: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/tec… Aug 28 18:25
schestowitz trmanco: I need your help. Aug 28 18:25
trmanco ok Aug 28 18:25
trmanco in what? Aug 28 18:25
schestowitz See this comment < http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/2… >. Is there any way to confirm this? Aug 28 18:27
MinceR slashdot at least has some signal in that noise Aug 28 18:27
MinceR not just contentless comment after comment rated at +4 or more Aug 28 18:27
MinceR they’d get to -1, Redundant on /. pretty much immediately Aug 28 18:27
trmanco schestowitz, yes he is comming to portugal Aug 28 18:27
trmanco I will try to find some links Aug 28 18:28
schestowitz trmanco: see the comment from Rui. Is there an open source bill or something? Aug 28 18:29
schestowitz Intel & Microsoft seem to be doing their mischiefs down there. Aug 28 18:29
MinceR forget +4, more like +24 Aug 28 18:29
trmanco what do you mean by open source bill? Aug 28 18:30
schestowitz I start my comments at -3 because 4 stalkers systematically mod down every comment of mine in Digg. Aug 28 18:30
schestowitz Rui wrote: “They must be trying to kill the Open Standards law proposal!” Aug 28 18:31
trmanco oh that Aug 28 18:31
schestowitz I know nothing about it. Aug 28 18:32
trmanco neither do I Aug 28 18:32
schestowitz I assume that only .pt domains would answer the Q. Aug 28 18:32
trmanco I never heard of one in portugal yet Aug 28 18:32
schestowitz They killed it in the Philippines. Aug 28 18:32
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2007/12/3… Aug 28 18:33
trmanco http://blog.softwarelivre.sapo.pt/2… Aug 28 18:33
trmanco this is written by him Aug 28 18:33
trmanco but that link is nearly worthless comparing for what you are looking for Aug 28 18:34
schestowitz I see: http://translate.google.com/translate?s… Aug 28 18:34
schestowitz They were going to deploy OOo in all Portugese schools. Aug 28 18:34
trmanco http://blog.softwarelivre.sapo.pt/200… Aug 28 18:34
schestowitz Then came Intel and Microsoft (or some broadband provider) with their ‘gifts’ and the OLPC thing (with Windows) does not help, either. Aug 28 18:35
trmanco this is more relevant, but not quite yet there :| Aug 28 18:35
schestowitz Heh. http://blog.softwarelivre.sapo.p… Aug 28 18:35
trmanco lol Aug 28 18:36
trmanco http://blog.softwarelivre.sapo.pt/wp-con… Aug 28 18:37
schestowitz Just accidentally landed on http://blogs.msdn.com/dmahugh/archiv… Aug 28 18:38
trmanco http://blog.softwarelivre.sapo… Aug 28 18:38
schestowitz Watch all the Microsoft employees (Oliver Bell), partners (Lunds) and shills grouping together to make fun of OOXML opposition. What a clan of robbers ‘barons’. Aug 28 18:38
schestowitz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBtEFmfmQEY Aug 28 18:39
trmanco I’m sure that Rui will reply as soon as he sees the comment Aug 28 18:43
schestowitz I want to use this < http://blog.softwarelivre.sapo.pt/wp-… > banner. Aug 28 18:44
trmanco Its a nice one :P Aug 28 18:44
schestowitz Will need to ask him for permission though. I still have a issue with all those Novell trademarks that I put up. Aug 28 18:44
schestowitz But Novell broke the rules of the GPL (by spirit)), so they can sack it. Aug 28 18:45
trmanco :) Aug 28 18:45
*trmanco is going to watch a movie ! Aug 28 18:46
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schestowitz CNET brainwash: “There was a retailer in one of the countries that sold their systems with Linux,” said Gartner analyst Luis Anavitarte. “They made a survey of clients within the first 30 days; 95 percent were already on Windows.”” Aug 28 19:09
schestowitz Not the first time that the Fried Shill quotes Microsoft’s Partner Group on that subject to downlplay the role of GNU/Linux. How was the survey conducted? Who funded it? Aug 28 19:10
schestowitz http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_sto… Aug 28 19:10
schestowitz “Ina Fried talks about Brazil’s big Linux usage but right off the bat implies it is not what the people want. And not only does the author start putting Linux down right from the start, the author uses the last few paragraphs to promote Microsoft’s agenda. Adding quotes such a 80% of Linux PCs get Windows installed by users within 30 days and another 10% in another 30 days.” Aug 28 19:11
schestowitz “That’s write, the Microsoft employee is quoted as saying that 90% of Brazils Linux PCs are getting user installed Microsoft Windows.” Aug 28 19:11
schestowitz “The story is a pitch against Linux usage and very much about Microsoft’s products and strategies. And the Microsoft employee also stated that Linux is good for Microsoft because it keeps them on their toes. He then goes on to say that it exposes where they need to do better with distribution. That is correct, not make better software but push harder in the distribution channel. That means limit choice folks. “ Aug 28 19:11
schestowitz “This is classic Ziff/Davis style of doing Microsoft PR work. “ Aug 28 19:11
MinceR microsoft doesn’t understand “make better software” Aug 28 19:14
schestowitz Or “Free(dom) software”. The message they send here is insulting:  “Only the poor people of Brazil would want GNU/Linux.” Aug 28 19:15
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schestowitz World Day against Software Patents is coming: http://yro.slashdot.org/fi… Aug 28 19:41
zoobab please support it Aug 28 19:48
zoobab probably MS trolls are voting it down already :-) Aug 28 19:48
anivar zoobab:  happy to see you here Aug 28 19:55
anivar zoobab:  schestowitz just returned now after Stakeholders meeting on Indian Draft Patent manual  in chennai Aug 28 19:56
zoobab Roy was in India? Aug 28 19:57
anivar we were successful in splitting the industry position Aug 28 19:57
zoobab see your mailbox Aug 28 19:57
anivar zoobab:  I mean I was just returned Aug 28 19:57
zoobab ok Aug 28 19:57
zoobab see your mailbox Aug 28 19:57
zoobab we need Indian associations or companies on baord for the call Aug 28 19:57
zoobab to show that we have a global community to fight Aug 28 19:58
anivar zoobab:  I will mail you a list by tomorrow noon Aug 28 19:58
schestowitz zoobab. Done: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/2… Aug 28 19:58
zoobab when is the meeting at the PO in Bangalore scheduled? Aug 28 19:58
anivar zoobab:  They not declared the dates yet. It seems they will conduct it by september end Aug 28 20:00
zoobab let me know Aug 28 20:00
zoobab I will fly there Aug 28 20:00
anivar zoobab:  I will inform you Aug 28 20:00
zoobab we need you to plan something for the 24 Aug 28 20:00
zoobab and call now for mobilisation Aug 28 20:00
zoobab get the word out Aug 28 20:00
zoobab like Roy did now: Aug 28 20:00
zoobab http://boycottnovell.com/2008/0… Aug 28 20:01
zoobab blog blog blog Aug 28 20:01
anivar zoobab:  we are planning a National Level public hearing on swpat by September 20th Aug 28 20:01
anivar t is focusing on developing a third world perspective on software patents Aug 28 20:01
zoobab move it to the 24 Aug 28 20:02
zoobab :-) Aug 28 20:02
zoobab it is a wednesday Aug 28 20:02
anivar and plans to declare the jury delaration on 24th Aug 28 20:02
zoobab ok Aug 28 20:02
zoobab please change the Wikia page Aug 28 20:02
anivar but lets wait .. we are not announced it yet Aug 28 20:02
zoobab and get me the Bangalore LUG or Gnu.in to sign the call Aug 28 20:03
zoobab ok Aug 28 20:03
zoobab sign the call Aug 28 20:03
zoobab now Aug 28 20:03
anivar zoobab:  I will do it soon Aug 28 20:03
zoobab ok Aug 28 20:03
zoobab deadline is Sunday nnon Aug 28 20:03
zoobab noon Aug 28 20:03
anivar zoobab:  You can put up the names of FSUG Bangalore and FOSSCOM.IN in support call Aug 28 20:04
anivar zoobab:  I will maiol some names by tommorrow noon Aug 28 20:04
anivar zoobab:  I will blog it soon. Aug 28 20:04
anivar zoobab:  Today i raised the point Swpats is the constitution violation of freedom of expression Aug 28 20:07
anivar it was well received  :-) the split in Confederation of Indian Industry’s position helped us to push no swpat position Aug 28 20:09
neighborlee yeah patents are ridiculous..we all share a commonality , without which none of us  would be in existence, so I proudly just sent in my 24 form ,,thx for mention :),,you cant patent that which you dont own as at end of day we’re all here due to gods grace, but thats forgotten because well, greed reigns supreme in some circles, but thankfullly we can take it back with such efforts ;) Aug 28 20:17
schestowitz http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/sh… ‘“Other than Bill Gates, I don’t know of any high tech CEO that sits down to review the company’s IP portfolio,” said Phelps, who ran IBM’s IP business before joining Microsoft four years ago.’ Aug 28 20:18
schestowitz http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/09/op… ‘Microsoft sang a very different tune in 1991. In a memo to his senior executives, Bill Gates wrote, “If people had understood how patents would be granted when most of today’s ideas were invented, and had taken out patents, the industry would be at a complete standstill today.” Mr. Gates worried that “some large company will patent some obvious thing” and use the paten Aug 28 20:18
schestowitz t to “take as much of our profits as they want.”’ Aug 28 20:18
schestowitz Linux.com featuring Mac-only software: http://www.linux.com/feed/146450 Aug 28 20:22
MinceR pathetic. Aug 28 20:26
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neighborlee ok, thats just weird Aug 28 20:35
neighborlee I guess they are getting awfully desperate for  articles o_0 Aug 28 20:36
schestowitz I smell disappointing results from Alfresco. Asay ain’t happy. http://ostatic.com/171758-blog/… http://blogs.the451group.com/… Aug 28 20:36
schestowitz neighborlee: they recently did a full article about a Windows-only app. Tin Gasperson, IIRC. She got slammed for it in the comments and it hasn’y happened since. Aug 28 20:36
neighborlee interesting Aug 28 20:38
neighborlee They are going to have to change their domain soon if that keeps up haha Aug 28 20:38
schestowitz Larry Augustin  replies here: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3… Aug 28 20:39
schestowitz neighborlee: not so fast, no. They are still, on average, better than the Wintel press.The problem is that they began bagging Microsoft money as well, so things changed for Slashdot, SourceForce, even Linux.com Aug 28 20:40
schestowitz Uh Oh. http://www.independent.ie/busine… “It’s going very well insofar as we originally agreed to co-operate on three distinct projects and now we’re working on nine projects and there’s a good list of 19 other projects that we plan to co-operate on.” Aug 28 20:50
neighborlee before embracing open source   <rofl Aug 28 21:24
neighborlee and yeah…hmm scary stuff, I wonder what those other projects are..glad I dont use suse anymore ewwwwww Aug 28 21:26
schestowitz Novell gradually becomes Micrcosoft. The article from Byfield is sheerly one-side. I rebutted here: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/… Aug 28 21:26
schestowitz Boycott Novell could one day just become a Microsoft site… several different people think that Novell will be acquired. Aug 28 21:27
schestowitz And the above is only some more evidence in the bucket. Just 2 months ago: “Our partnership with Microsoft continues to expand.” — Ron Hovsepian, Novell CEO Aug 28 21:28
neighborlee acquired..yeah that would be weird indeed Aug 28 21:31
schestowitz Microsoft PR alerts are showing up… CNET again…. *sigh* I’ll post about it later. Aug 28 21:31
neighborlee kewl then Aug 28 21:32
schestowitz Even if not acquired, Novell is like that girlfriend is her 50s, whose abusive boyfriend never wanted to marry her. He just uses her (laundry, dishes, etc) and when she gets assertive, he’ll dump her. That’s Novell and Microsoft for you. Aug 28 21:33
neighborlee lol Aug 28 21:35
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trmanco http://automorphic.blogspot.com/2008/08/… Aug 28 22:02
schestowitz Make it stay there. Nail it to the ground. Aug 28 22:03
neighborlee ohh speaking of tomboy LOL Aug 28 22:05
neighborlee I saw on ubunt forums where tomboy is giving some grief lately Aug 28 22:05
neighborlee go fig. Aug 28 22:05
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neighborlee LOL< yeah leave it there indeed!! Aug 28 22:06
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_Doug Hi there .. Aug 28 22:07
schestowitz I’m finding BN images spreading to other sites which is good. Example herE: http://nexenta.wordpress.com/2008… Aug 28 22:07
schestowitz Hey, _Doug. Aug 28 22:07
_Doug The new crash recoverey feeture in IE 8 ? Aug 28 22:08
neighborlee What do you think? Excited to end the Linux charade and switch to a solid and hip platform like Vista? Woo! >ROFL Aug 28 22:08
_Doug Is different then Firefox, in that it isolates a crash to a particular Tab .. Aug 28 22:08
neighborlee that might keep me in stiches all day long ;)( Aug 28 22:08
_Doug Not true of course .. Aug 28 22:09
_Doug “automatic crash recovery, which prevents a single page’s failures from taking down your entire browser; and browser privacy, a feature that didn’t make Firefox 3″ Aug 28 22:10
neighborlee that would be nice Aug 28 22:10
_Doug Both solutions in search of problem .. Aug 28 22:10
trmanco I wonder how fast it render javascript Aug 28 22:10
trmanco renders* Aug 28 22:10
_Doug BN images ? Aug 28 22:13
_Doug What images ? Aug 28 22:15
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_Doug ping roy schestowitz .. Aug 28 22:18
schestowitz Hey. Aug 28 22:18
schestowitz Oh… Aug 28 22:18
schestowitz Just some images from the site… and text… even some translations sometimes. Aug 28 22:19
schestowitz If the goal is to spread the word, it’s good to know that it’s spread through other sites that are influenced. Aug 28 22:19
_Doug ahh .. Aug 28 22:20
_Doug Engineer accidentally deletes cloud Aug 28 22:20
_Doug http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/0… Aug 28 22:20
_Doug “We were a privately funded company,” he says. “We were resource constrained ..” Aug 28 22:21
_Doug the cloud at LCD .. :) Aug 28 22:22
schestowitz LSd… Aug 28 22:23
_Doug lowest cost ?? Aug 28 22:24
_Doug lowest common denominator ? Aug 28 22:25
_Doug A box in a rackfarm would be more reliable .. Aug 28 22:25
schestowitz I haven’t seen the article yet. The trolls in COLA are busy. Aug 28 22:26
schestowitz Posting insults about me to like 6 newsgroups. You know the routine… Aug 28 22:26
_Doug Don’t expend energy in responding .. Aug 28 22:27
schestowitz i don’t. I just want to see it though. Aug 28 22:29
_Doug I have no interest in anything they say .. Aug 28 22:30
_Doug biggest military hacker loses extradition appeal .. :0 Aug 28 22:31
_Doug http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/… Aug 28 22:31
schestowitz Yes, seen it Aug 28 22:31
_Doug how he did it: passwordless machines and a remote desktop utility, and notepad .. :) Aug 28 22:32
schestowitz Cheney will stick voodoo needles in Gary. Aug 28 22:32
_Doug And a lot of dope .. :) Aug 28 22:32
schestowitz Seriously now, it’s like US law is now intl’ law. Aug 28 22:33
schestowitz Don’t like a world leader? Invade the country. Aug 28 22:33
_Doug No, it’s your little ole countries laws don’t count for squat .. Aug 28 22:33
schestowitz US law >> x, where x is the IQ of Dubya. Aug 28 22:34
_Doug It’s lucky we’re not being used as a missile launching base for the US, that *would* make us Americas front line in any future war .. Aug 28 22:36
_Doug sacarism and irony .. in the preceding line .. Aug 28 22:37
schestowitz Yes, I know. Similar issues on many fronts, including economical and technological issues, not purely political. Aug 28 22:37
schestowitz Microsoft calls evangelism of Windows “War” Aug 28 22:38
_Doug Yea, they got the religion better than anyone else .. Aug 28 22:39
_Doug Vista a total disaster, they have to pre-announce Windows 2009 ? Aug 28 22:40
MinceR which is going to be another vista Aug 28 22:40
schestowitz Yes. Aug 28 22:41
MinceR this time they even said there isn’t going to be anything new in it :) Aug 28 22:41
schestowitz I worry about what they plan for Novell. Aug 28 22:41
MinceR i think novell will go the way of sco Aug 28 22:41
MinceR it will be destroyed after m$ had its way with it Aug 28 22:41
MinceR just like all their “allies” ever Aug 28 22:41
_Doug my question: why doesn’t Firefox have the new feetures i nIE8, because it don’t *need* them … Aug 28 22:42
_Doug Same with defences against ‘malware’ Aug 28 22:42
_Doug Defender, sandbox .. AV etc .. Windows is ahead of Linux with these feetures .. :) Aug 28 22:42
MinceR because only m$ sinks that low to provide a fake privacy mode with a backdoor for the police Aug 28 22:43
_Doug Linux don’t have any of these .. :) Aug 28 22:43
_Doug Linux don’t have AV, <snort> … Aug 28 22:43
MinceR i wonder what ClamAV is then :> Aug 28 22:44
schestowitz Win32.x virii [sic] Aug 28 22:45
_Doug That’s an add-on .. :) Aug 28 22:45
_Doug My point is: these new feetures that MS announces that don’t exist in FF or Linux, the reason being that they aren’t needed .. Aug 28 22:46
_Doug FF + noscript or Provoxy .. same thing … Aug 28 22:47
schestowitz Dana B at Zeedeenet is already provoking again… Firefox vs IE on feechures. Aug 28 22:47
_Doug flush the cache at close and that’s it, totally private .. no chance the missue will find you browsing miss.kinky.boots.com .. :) Aug 28 22:48
_Doug got to go .. Aug 28 22:48
schestowitz I’m tired of Microsoft moles writing about GNU/Linux and F/OSS Aug 28 22:48
_Doug bye for now … Aug 28 22:48
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schestowitz LinuxInsider editor a Windows users, open source blog in ZDNet from a Windows user, Bill Snyder in InfoWorld is a Microsoft investor who publishes about FOSS… Aug 28 22:48
MinceR m$ is desperate — that’s a good sign :> Aug 28 22:53
schestowitz MinceR: but they are getting ugly, so it’s a reason to keep an eye on the ball. Aug 28 22:54
MinceR indeed. Aug 28 22:54
schestowitz They are behind this new wave for swpatents around the world for all I can gather. Aug 28 22:54
schestowitz They prepare the terrain for the news *ahem* ‘products’… intangible ones. Aug 28 22:55
trmanco http://www.pcworld.com/article/150439/open_so… Aug 28 22:55
schestowitz Seen it earlier, I think. Aug 28 22:55
schestowitz InfroWorld article, IIRC. Aug 28 22:55
schestowitz They lied abotu Sarko. The guy is a Microsoft B*. Aug 28 22:56
twitter Yes, it’s funny how all of the Wintel rags can’t seem to find GNU/Linux users to write articles about GNU/Linux … Aug 28 23:15
twitter They probably don’t get through the interview process.  Disqualified for open jawed amazement that anyone would still run Windows. Aug 28 23:16
schestowitz Other examples: OStatic are Mac users (well, some of them); same with Asay; Linux.com editors (sheesh! Someone snitched on them); Open Sources (InfoWorld)…. we are being ‘taught’ about GNU/Linux (and told “it’s not ready”) by people who never use it. Aug 28 23:18
schestowitz SJVN is the exception and he recently wrote an article in CW to complaint about this phenomenon of “do as I speak, not as I do” journos. Aug 28 23:19
schestowitz This kind of issue is being used against us by the trolls and aggravating folks. They even use it to attack me in several USENET groups at the moment: http://groups.google.com/group/co… Aug 28 23:21
MinceR obviously if it was ready, they’d be using it ;) Aug 28 23:25
twitter Obviously, the publications are worthless.  Strange how the trolls see that as something useful. Aug 28 23:27
MinceR they can still mislead the uninitiated Aug 28 23:27
schestowitz They also take many things out of context from a large ocean. Aug 28 23:28
MinceR and comfort the other trolls in their dream world. Aug 28 23:28
twitter Sounds like a good thing to use in the Journalist credibility index.  Why would you listen to someone like that? Aug 28 23:28
schestowitz The reason they brought this up is because I put it i n the FP. Watch how many trolls and they *buried* it for no justifiable reason (Digg gaming?): http://digg.com/linux_unix/One_… Aug 28 23:29
twitter Yeah, but the larger point is that journalist who say “Linux is not ready” are simply clueless.  Having primary desktop OS in your credibility rating would help people realize that A.  GNU/Linux use is possible and B.  You should not listen to those who say it’s not. Aug 28 23:31
twitter Turn about is fair play, for all the whining M$ does about Vista critics having never used Vista. Aug 28 23:32
twitter It’s also funny to see that none of those praising Vista have ever used it either. Aug 28 23:33
schestowitz I think it’s important when citing something to tell what the author uses/invests in. Aug 28 23:34
twitter Yes, you could email all of the journalists and bloggers on your credibility list and stick the results in a column.  That or point to the “snitching” Aug 28 23:35
schestowitz Going back to that Bill Snyder example, the man covers FOSS and he is an Apple and Microsoft investor. WTF? Aug 28 23:35
twitter That’s another good column, but most people’s savings plan buy that crap against their will.  It’s their money and it shows interest but it’s not always a sign of faith. Aug 28 23:36
twitter It’s such a common stock amongst “institutional investors” that all the US media covers the stock price nightly, even Public Broadcasting.  It’s a sickening advert. Aug 28 23:38
schestowitz What column? Aug 28 23:38
schestowitz Re: adverts, You mean like Disney? Aug 28 23:39
twitter I thought it would be good to turn the credibility index into a table. Aug 28 23:39
schestowitz http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/a… Aug 28 23:39
schestowitz twitter: it’s already a table. Borders are not visible. Aug 28 23:39
twitter Name, Credibility, Desktop OS, Stocks Owned, Most Outrageous article … Aug 28 23:40
twitter The more information you can put into it, the more convincing it becomes. Aug 28 23:40
schestowitz It’s a lot of work. Aug 28 23:42
twitter Imagine emailing Bruce Byfield to ask him what desktop OS he runs.  Seeing as he’s aiming for credibility zero, he’d proudly tell you XP. Aug 28 23:42
twitter You already do a lot of good work. Aug 28 23:42
schestowitz No, he’s with Debian. Aug 28 23:42
twitter Bruce Byfield uses Debian as his primary desktop?  I don’t believe it. Aug 28 23:43
twitter If it’s true, that will keep him at 1 of 6. Aug 28 23:44
schestowitz Why don’t you believe it? He worked at Pregeny before/after being an English instructor. He’s just a little soft with Micro-soft. Roblimo was taken in to be shown a good time at Microsoft, but not Byfield, AFAIK. Aug 28 23:45
twitter He’s  too annoying. Aug 28 23:48
schestowitz Not really. When you speak to him he’s okay, but he says the darnest things in some articles. Aug 28 23:49
schestowitz Byfield is not a problem, overall. To BN he is, but not to FOSS. Aug 28 23:49
twitter He’s an advocate basher and really full of himself to tell others to shut up all the time.  The kind of name calling he does is something I expect from Redomond. Aug 28 23:52
schestowitz Yes, that is true. Maybe vanity is an issue. He criticises Ubuntu a lot. Aug 28 23:56
schestowitz Goes along the lines of: “Selling out to Microsoft (SUSE) is okay, but making a dumped-down GUI is bad…” Aug 28 23:57
MinceR they don’t make the dumbed-down GUI (Gnome) Aug 28 23:59
MinceR novell does. Aug 28 23:59
MinceR (or more like a lot of people do it for novell) Aug 28 23:59
schestowitz For Microsoft? [partly sarcastic /] Aug 28 23:59
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  1. Rui Miguel Silva Seabra said,

    August 29, 2008 at 7:26 am


    There isn’t an Open Source law project, there is an Open Standards law project.

    I’m willing to guess Steve Ballmers visit is strongly about that.


    The article at SOL says that he will be meeting with the government.

  2. Roy Schestowitz said,

    August 29, 2008 at 8:40 am


    Is there any way of drawing attention to those who could sell out to Microsoft, of course ‘on behalf’ of the Portuguese population? Just watch what happened in Hungary and very recently in Quebec.

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