Comments

• C.J.

  2008-09-05 19:02:15

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  Hey there Roy,
  
  Thanks for the write-up. I'd love to have a rational conversation about this with you. However, you have shown a lack of interest in facilitating such a conversation (kick/banning from the channel, failing to provide a link to the chat log), so I'll post a copy of this comment on my blog as well, since you're probably not going to leave it up on yours.
  
  As I said here (http://xrl.us/oqdxm), I think that you've got good intentions. I'd like to know what you are working toward, though. What is the end goal? What would cause you to feel that your call to boycott has been successful? Without such a goal, it seems that your activism (which I support) is being done only to gain attention (which I do not support).
  
  In response to your above accusation that the claims (I assume you refer to the claim that you or your fellow channel members may have "spammed" irc.gimp.net's #mono channel) were unfounded, I disagree. After receiving network abuse on the channel, the perpetrators from the mibbit.com domain were banned. It was found that some of your channel members hail from the same network:
  
  01:17 [freenode] -!- mib_e1zoms [i=41c7bd06@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b0e41913a3891c96] 01:17 [freenode] -!- ircname : 65.199.189.6 01:17 [freenode] -!- channels : #boycottnovell 01:17 [freenode] -!- server : irc.freenode.net [http://freenode.net/] 01:17 [freenode] -!- away : Auto away 01:17 [freenode] -!- End of WHOIS
  
  This seems like more than a coincidence to me, however there are many folks on freenode from that network. *shrug*
  
  I note that although you mention in the topic of #boycottnovell that the channel content is logged publicly, you claim that I did not have permission to post the log. I consider the claim in your topic to be "permission" to log it publicly.
  
  18:54 [freenode] -!- Topic for #boycottnovell: Exploring the reality behind exclusionary deals with Microsoft and their subtle (yet severe) implications (publicly logged)
  
  To be clear of my affiliations, I have been a GNU/Linux user, developer, supporter and activist since 1994. I am one of the founding members of the IRC network on which you host your #boycottnovell channel. As it states in the kick/ban message, I contribute financially on a monthly basis to the PDPC, which administers the network:
  
  04:42 -!- mode/#boycottnovell [+b *!*@pdpc/supporter/monthlybronze/cj] by ChanServ 04:42 -!- cj was kicked from #boycottnovell by ChanServ [Banned: Goodbye Astroturfer]
  
  I've contributed patches to the Mono codebase since 2003, Since 2006 I've been maintaining a gtk+ widget that I've been using since 1999. I am working with Mirco Bauer to become a Debian Developer. During 2004 and 2005, I volunteered my time organizing and speaking at the Seattle Perl Users' Group. And yes, I am currently performing a contract at Microsoft in Redmond.
  
  I feel that this experience gives me a unique perspective on the relationship between Microsoft and the Open Source / Free Software world. As I said before, I agree that the relationship is not optimal in its current state. I agree that it needs some work. I'm willing to do that work, and I would appreciate any support that you and your friends can provide. If you aren't interested in identifying or solving these problems, however, please don't stand in the way of those who are.
  
  Sincerely,
  
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• Roy Schestowitz

  2008-09-05 19:14:01

  I don't delete comments and I did not kick you from the channel (someone else did while I was asleep and I disagree with that). Once again you use imagination to make accusations. Good luck to you in your endeavours.

• Victor Soliz

  2008-09-05 20:15:09

  should vendors who sell Free software be banned from doing business with those who produce proprietary software?”

  Nope.
  
  But they should probably refrain from making FUD deals with intentions to rob users away from other Free Software vendors using fear as an advertisement and endorsing MS' "Linux robs our IP" claims just because it -theorically- would give them the competitive edge. Novell's conduct has been harmful to free software, they have not changed their ways, as a matter of fact they just recharged the deal just recently, unfortunately these issues will not go away simply for the fact some guys that are usually in boycottnovell's channel also spam other channels...
  
  But really, MS employee? No thanks...

• Jose_X

  2008-09-05 23:40:11

  So where is the link to the attacks?

• Roy Schestowitz

  2008-09-05 23:43:27

  it's in some other places like FSDaily, where sockpuppets like this one
  
  http://www.fsdaily.com/users/boycottboycottnovell.com
  
  are used to promote the smears.

• Steve Lance

  2008-09-06 09:58:19

  [i]"Spreading unfounded attacks with accusations that are not even backed by evidence is nasty enough, never mind putting it up ‘for display’ (without permission!) and bemoaning replies to bait."[/i]
  
  This must sound familiar to you Roy.

• Needs Sunlight

  2008-09-06 10:38:52

  Hey. That last link might improve the story by being removed, it's the one labeled "supported Maureen O’Gara’s malicious spying on PJ (of Groklaw)" It actually links *to* more O'Gara FUD. It's bad to do that. It's sure necessary to cite it and even provide a URL, but don't validate it by giving it free publicity which it gets from being a hot link.
  
  O'Gara acted in a sleazy and small manner and used baseless accusations. Make your hot links point to pages where the issues are put under scrutiny:
  
  http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/linux/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=163104408

• Roy Schestowitz

  2008-09-06 11:49:38

  Good suggestion. I broke the Beebe link and replace it with another.

• stevetheFLY

  2008-09-06 17:01:24

  heh; the no.1 hater and spammer complains that he das been ATTACKED! how droll. roy, your blog is the worst smear-campaign, and mutual wanking-site of self-righteous zealots that I've ever seen. don't complain that somebody fucked you when show people your naked arse!
  
  Note: comment has been flagged for arriving from a possible incarnation of a known (eet), pseudonymous, forever-nymshifting, abusive Internet troll that posts from open proxies and relays around the world.

• Roy Schestowitz

  2008-09-06 19:19:30

  Long time, no see, "eet". If you dislike this site so much, why do you keep coming back to heckle?

• pcole

  2008-09-07 19:51:32

  mib_e1zoms is the logon to mibbit irc chat I use. How the heck do you spam from the irc channel? This way I'll do it and your spamming statement would be true. As of right now: You're a LIAR CJ.