10.14.08

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: October 13th, 2008- Part 2

Posted in IRC Logs at 2:20 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

schestowitz	PetoKraus: chache?	Oct 13 16:10
schestowitz	cache?	Oct 13 16:11
PetoKraus	right, i’ll just try to cut trough the ooo page	Oct 13 16:11
schestowitz	I can’t find direct links to mirrors…	Oct 13 16:13
schestowitz	I want to help people get the software (ODF)	Oct 13 16:13
schestowitz	Ah! Got it: http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ny…	Oct 13 16:15
twitter	I’ll just wait for it to roll into Lenny, thanks.	Oct 13 16:16
PetoKraus	changelog? no changelog :/	Oct 13 16:16
PetoKraus	i’ll wait for it to roll in gnome + 8 hours of compilation	Oct 13 16:17
PetoKraus	*gentoo	Oct 13 16:17
PetoKraus	FUN!	Oct 13 16:17
schestowitz	I’m setting up a link to mirrors	Oct 13 16:22
twitter	http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=s…	Oct 13 16:26
twitter	356 hits but, the first is http://siteresources.worldbank.org/EXTEDEVELOPMENT/…	Oct 13 16:27
twitter	ha ha.	Oct 13 16:27
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/13/ooo…	Oct 13 16:28
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twitter	Your tax dollars at work, http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601102…	Oct 13 16:39
twitter	Unlimited dollars for the rich!	Oct 13 16:40
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twitter	It’s like toilet paper and MSFT stock	Oct 13 16:41
schestowitz	So they arguably commit crime and the bill goes to the poor to save the rich from prison and bankruptcy?	Oct 13 16:45
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schestowitz	Hmmmm… just needed to go through some uncomfortable things with Sun after that last post. I wrongly thought Simon understood I that needed a public response… anyway, it’s all clarified now and Novell should respond to those whole mess… as you know, I don’t trust Novell. I’ve seen too much, inside and ‘outside’. Microsoft ruined Novell.	Oct 13 16:54
schestowitz	“MICROSOFT IS SUING DHL after a train load of Xbox 360s derailed and destroyed 21,600 consoles. There were no reports of Kaz Hirai fleeing from the scene.” http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/200…	Oct 13 16:57
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_Doug	IP Innovation LLC v RedHat .. one year in discovery ..	Oct 13 17:06
_Doug	http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?s…	Oct 13 17:06
schestowitz	This one might take a while.	Oct 13 17:07
schestowitz	The longer, the better (for Microsoft)	Oct 13 17:07
_Doug	The Titanic is sinkling and they start a market trading in icecubes :>	Oct 13 17:08
schestowitz	Who does? It’s like socialism/communism now.	Oct 13 17:09
twitter	1936 all over again?	Oct 13 17:10
schestowitz	British taxpayers cover the mistakes of corrupt bankers. About 800 quid per British citizens.	Oct 13 17:10
schestowitz	/citizens/citixen/	Oct 13 17:10
_Doug	business + state = facism	Oct 13 17:10
schestowitz	twitter: no, 1936 mreans war.	Oct 13 17:10
twitter	Iraq is to Poland …	Oct 13 17:11
schestowitz	The ‘people’ will pay for the ‘people’s banks.	Oct 13 17:11
schestowitz	They go into government’s hands (they buy ownership using tax money)	Oct 13 17:11
_Doug	Is Heros, on tonight, I need a little distraction	Oct 13 17:12
schestowitz	Here’s a stupid opening: http://www.technewsworld.com/story/64793.html “Linux turned 17 this week, just short of adulthood in most places. However, is it mature enough for the mass market? It’s a question often asked on the Linux blogs, but the answers still keep coming: Sure it is; no it isn’t; it doesn’t matter.”	Oct 13 17:12
schestowitz	Is Linux MATURE ENOUGH^TM?	Oct 13 17:13
schestowitz	Yes, Charlotte, it already runs perhaps most of the world’s servers and almost every top computer. Computer ~= desktop and Linux != GNU/Linux/GNOME/KDE	Oct 13 17:13
twitter	Who’s your server daddy?	Oct 13 17:14
schestowitz	They promote this notion of “Mac succeeding, Linux failing” despite the fact that Macs are a niche and Linux is everywhere (including desktops where it cannot be counted properly)	Oct 13 17:14
twitter	Sweaty B, you are NOT the father.	Oct 13 17:15
_Doug	Send for fat.Tony ..	Oct 13 17:17
schestowitz	exec fat.Tony.send()	Oct 13 17:17
schestowitz	sudo!!	Oct 13 17:17
twitter	pants off, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IZDqnZDw7o	Oct 13 17:18
_Doug	too geeky for the average Windows user .. where do I click ?	Oct 13 17:19
twitter	is that distraction enough?	Oct 13 17:19
schestowitz	http://www.australianit.news.com.au/stor… : NSW considers giving students Linux laptops	Oct 13 17:20
_Doug	how about giving students pens and showing them how to read and write ..	Oct 13 17:22
_Doug	real question: what was Italys role in the first and second world wars?	Oct 13 17:22
_Doug	answer: There were two of them, dude ?	Oct 13 17:22
schestowitz	These days, pens and paper are passe.	Oct 13 17:23
schestowitz	Sooner or later books and papers will be digitised too.	Oct 13 17:24
schestowitz	Neglecting to give children Lin^Hputer skills is leaving them out of the loop	Oct 13 17:24
_Doug	Did you ever see that scene from Zoolander ?	Oct 13 17:26
schestowitz	The Linux Markters… “While we very much appreciate your interest in attending the 2008 End User Summit , I am afraid that attendance is limited to end users, kernel developers and LF member vendors only,” Angela Brown of the Linux Foundation wrote in an email to me. “We have decided that press will not be allowed to participate in the event. After the event, we will issue a summary to press and be available for questions.”	Oct 13 17:27
schestowitz	http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2008/10/n…	Oct 13 17:27
_Doug	yea, right on .. who needs some dumb techno journalists ..	Oct 13 17:27
schestowitz	Marketing people ‘representing’ /what/…? IBM? The kernel? The ‘community’? Pay up to join.	Oct 13 17:27
_Doug	Not this one .. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=u3WDqDoztdE	Oct 13 17:28
twitter	It’s not all about laptops, it’s about access to knowledge. Laptops are cheaper than libraries.	Oct 13 17:30
schestowitz	What da?	Oct 13 17:30
twitter	Good on Australia	Oct 13 17:31
schestowitz	They had a lot of funny biz with Microsoft though.	Oct 13 17:31
schestowitz	This isn’t a done deal.	Oct 13 17:31
twitter	Everyone has that problem, I’m afraid.	Oct 13 17:31
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/10/mani…	Oct 13 17:32
schestowitz	http://www.korgwal.com/gl-mirror/stories/…	Oct 13 17:33
_Doug	who is this ‘Sean Michael Kerner’ and why does he think he deserves to be at a Linux summit ?	Oct 13 17:33
twitter	How can they tell the difference between “end users” and journalists? Anyone can submit to Slashdot.	Oct 13 17:33
schestowitz	“In an informational email that, according to Microsoft, went “to a few” partner companies, they write among other things that their partners are “expected” to join the standards insitute and “participate on the meeting the 27/8, to vote yes to Open XML”.”	Oct 13 17:33
schestowitz	“The partner companies are also asked to participate in some additional meeting after the ballot, this to “show their good judgment”.”	Oct 13 17:33
schestowitz	“””[The partner companies] do not need to discuss the technical contents in the specification but should be prepared to offer a few arguments as to why they vote yes – these will be provided by Microsoft”, the company writes.	Oct 13 17:33
schestowitz	_Doug: he’s a Linux journalist. Real one. Been there for many years and use GNU/Linux himself. He’s one of the good guys	Oct 13 17:34
schestowitz	*uses	Oct 13 17:34
schestowitz	twitter: exactly. That’s what I though, but…	Oct 13 17:34
schestowitz	Watch picture at the bottom of this: http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-95225/ale…	Oct 13 17:35
trmanco	that virus post on cola is getting huge	Oct 13 17:35
schestowitz	Also AT&T: http://stopsoftwarepatents.org/forum/t-86401/at-t-pa… http://boycottnovell.com/2008/0…	Oct 13 17:36
schestowitz	trmanco: I don’t think I see this thread.	Oct 13 17:36
trmanco	lol	Oct 13 17:36
trmanco	killfile ?	Oct 13 17:36
_Doug	Kerner should join his local users group, the developers are always turning up ..	Oct 13 17:38
schestowitz	The Microsoft-captured BBC is /STILL/ ignoring Linux. It’s headed by a former Microsoft exec now. Perfect example of corruption: http://www.itwire.com/content/view/21126/1168/	Oct 13 17:39
schestowitz	Why not GNU/Linux? Well, errr… maybe.. errr.. next year… errr… well, it’s my partner’s and former employer’s #1 threat, so…	Oct 13 17:40
schestowitz	That relates to the debate of net neutrality. Companies will stifle services to whatever competes with them.	Oct 13 17:40
_Doug	Michael Meeks turned up once to give a talk ..	Oct 13 17:40
_Doug	the one in Cavensish college that is, near the BT tower ..	Oct 13 17:40
schestowitz	Been done in Aussie where an ISP took down OOo mirror for ‘competing’.	Oct 13 17:40
_Doug	Cavendish ..	Oct 13 17:40
schestowitz	He’s one of the Ximians (MS)	Oct 13 17:41
twitter	Open Spectrum would obliterate telco and big publishers.	Oct 13 17:41
schestowitz	Yes, so they associate it with terrorism.	Oct 13 17:42
twitter	That is a crime.	Oct 13 17:42
schestowitz	Or at least that’s how they speak of VoIP. No surveillance = terrorism?	Oct 13 17:42
schestowitz	That’s like saying, No CCTV = crime.	Oct 13 17:42
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schestowitz	http://www.itwire.com/content/view/21126/1168/ “Which is handy because the BBC has bought a license for that Windows DRM for portable devices.”	Oct 13 17:43
schestowitz	So this is where tax goes… DRM licences. The citizens PAY Microsoft FOR DRM.	Oct 13 17:43
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schestowitz	The BBC needs to have it managers changed. There are too many Microsofters there and more coming in all the time. They just get to control media.	Oct 13 17:44
twitter	Freedom == crime	Oct 13 17:44
schestowitz	No.	Oct 13 17:46
schestowitz	The assumption is that freedom enables terrorism	Oct 13 17:46
twitter	Well, of course not.	Oct 13 17:46
schestowitz	So those who promote freedom must be terrorists. “Quick, Jim, put that freedom fighter on the terror db!”	Oct 13 17:47
twitter	the peace advocate, the death penalty opponent, the free software advocate and so on and so forth.	Oct 13 17:48
twitter	I was told by someone working with the FBI, “you name just kept popping up.” Hmmph.	Oct 13 17:48
schestowitz	The animal activist.	Oct 13 17:49
schestowitz	Animal Rights Activists Forced to Hand Over Encryption Keys – http://www.schneier.com/blog/arch…	Oct 13 17:49
schestowitz	” If you remember, this was sold to the public as essential for fighting terrorism. It’s already being misused.”	Oct 13 17:50
schestowitz	The “war on animals” (and animal activists)	Oct 13 17:50
twitter	Who is the terrorist? You are the terrorist.	Oct 13 17:51
schestowitz	Sun is up 12% today	Oct 13 17:52
schestowitz	People in suit are never terrorists.	Oct 13 17:52
schestowitz	Show me executives going to jail rather than pay bail.	Oct 13 17:52
schestowitz	When people who are wealthy set the rules they can imprison opposition while facilitating looholes and back doors like bail.	Oct 13 17:52
schestowitz	Didn’t Gates get released after speeding as a teenagers? I think his rich parents paid bail.	Oct 13 17:53
schestowitz	“Bill Gates, Chairman and CEO of Microsoft, and the richest man in the world at over $50 Billion net worth, arrested in New Mexico 1977.” http://www.mugshots.org/misc/bill-gates.html	Oct 13 17:54
twitter	http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Ayoutu…	Oct 13 17:54
schestowitz	Microsoft also paid million to escape fraud investigation.	Oct 13 17:54
schestowitz	Same with Novell.	Oct 13 17:54
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schestowitz	Why does a Microsoft shill mention the deployment of Linux PCs? < http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-1006… > “Last month, NComputing announced it had recruited longtime Microsoft executive Will Poole to serve as the company’s co-chairman.” This is one to keep an eye on.	Oct 13 18:10
schestowitz	American antitrust = clowns with paychecks: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-10064198-… “Nvidia confirmed that on Friday the DOJ notified the graphics chipmaker that it had closed the investigation and no action was taken.” So… let th price-fixing be. Who cares? Let the bankers ruin the economies too. The victims will pay.	Oct 13 18:15
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twitter	Squeeze! ” UBS AG’s Heather Bellini in New York said she rates Microsoft and Oracle Corp. buys because she needs to give clients something to invest in.“It’s like looking for the tallest midget”	Oct 13 18:40
*benJIman wonders when schestowitz will learn to spell cheque.		Oct 13 18:40
twitter	Scary how people like that give advice.	Oct 13 18:41
twitter	Expect IT spending to be down, duh. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=2…	Oct 13 18:41
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twitter	Forrester, Gatner all the usual M$ boosters.	Oct 13 18:43
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schestowitz	Yes, that’s what pays the bill.	Oct 13 18:43
schestowitz	Turth does not pay bills.	Oct 13 18:44
schestowitz	Manipulation of of it with adverts or adverts in disguise (analysts) does.	Oct 13 18:44
schestowitz	The honest analysts. That’s a paradox for you. The “honest analyst” goes out of business and existence, so in this hyperbola only the corrupt survives.	Oct 13 18:45
twitter	What did M$ say about analysts? Dime a dozen, selling out is their job? Lies don’t last long either.	Oct 13 18:45
schestowitz	No wonder Redmonk got nervoud.	Oct 13 18:45
schestowitz	They wrote a whole blog item about a single sentence I wrote and then some comments, twitter items, correspondence among other analysts, others from the same company linked to it. But you know what they say… (Microsoft) “it makes them very prickly to work with.” If it seems like they sell out. Same with lobbyists that change hats.	Oct 13 18:47
schestowitz	Nokia is at it again, trying to spread the software patents disease to countries that forbid this: http://www.zeenews.com/articles.as…	Oct 13 18:50
schestowitz	Microsoft is still trying to get control of document formats. Here it is from the crook who pretended to be Malaysian: http://blogs.msdn.com/dmahugh/archiv…	Oct 13 18:56
twitter	ha ha, a meeting to ” explain our approach to Open XML interoperability.”	Oct 13 19:05
twitter	That ought to be quick.	Oct 13 19:05
twitter	Thanks for joining us today, buy our new product. Enjoy the buffet.	Oct 13 19:06
twitter	Oink, oink.	Oct 13 19:06
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schestowitz	Oops.	Oct 13 19:07
schestowitz	Well, let’s not go personal on him	Oct 13 19:07
schestowitz	We have beg-anger to spread some fear too: http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&amp…	Oct 13 19:07
twitter	Nothing personal there, anyone can deliver that message.	Oct 13 19:08
schestowitz	But the things he does.	Oct 13 19:08
twitter	Even someone pretending to be Malaysian.	Oct 13 19:08
schestowitz	(his appearance and all aside)	Oct 13 19:08
schestowitz	He pretty much broke the law, but he works at Microsoft, so that must be routine	Oct 13 19:08
schestowitz	The malaysian chaps called him “elephant in the room” after he invaded.	Oct 13 19:08
twitter	In other news, Dow hit’s 9,000, party like it’s 1999.	Oct 13 19:08
schestowitz	He later attacked them personally too.	Oct 13 19:08
schestowitz	That’s the Microsoft “slime, slime, slime” that GRoklaw talks about…	Oct 13 19:09
twitter	M$ likes that personal action, don’t they?	Oct 13 19:09
schestowitz	Well, only those with rifle survive.	Oct 13 19:09
schestowitz	You know what they say	Oct 13 19:09
schestowitz	Microsoft documents: “evanglism is WAR”	Oct 13 19:09
schestowitz	With capitals (all CAPS) IIRC.	Oct 13 19:10
twitter	I thought they said things like, “Empty vessels are the loudest”	Oct 13 19:10
twitter	and people with insults are insecure about something.	Oct 13 19:10
twitter	like their third rate software.	Oct 13 19:10
twitter	One decade, no growth. You want my money for what?	Oct 13 19:11
schestowitz	Well, they say many things. Archive here: http://antitrust.slated.org/	Oct 13 19:14
schestowitz	Still to be sorted and typed down, ideally: http://antitrust.slated.org/	Oct 13 19:14
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schestowitz	Visual Studio proprietaryware in ‘open-source’ (not really) clothing: http://www.ciol.com/Developer/Open-Source/New…	Oct 13 19:25
twitter	Woot, you can write web pages with Notepad.	Oct 13 19:28
twitter	It is so Visual, a new programing paradigm	Oct 13 19:29
schestowitz	It’s this abuse of the term ‘open source’ though which is troubling.	Oct 13 19:30
trmanco	w00t	Oct 13 19:30
schestowitz	I’ll do an article about this whole VS/Mono messiness soon. There’s some sort of Windowsisation of Linux that comes from a certain group at Novell	Oct 13 19:30
trmanco	more crapware from M$	Oct 13 19:30
twitter	Oh yeah. I suppose it’s also free (TM)	Oct 13 19:30
benJIman	schestowitz: Did you see Michael Meeks responded to your “article”?	Oct 13 19:30
twitter	point, Benjie	Oct 13 19:31
schestowitz	benJIman: I haven’t, no.	Oct 13 19:33
benJIman	See his blog.	Oct 13 19:33
schestowitz	I am aware, however, that some people watch the post.	Oct 13 19:33
schestowitz	And then Alex Brown showed up in the comments.	Oct 13 19:33
twitter	no link, BenJie?	Oct 13 19:33
schestowitz	Seems like the WE spies or whoever Microsoft has rolling today have taken note.	Oct 13 19:34
benJIman	twitter: Are you incapable of finding his blog? It’s even linked in the comments of the article.	Oct 13 19:34
twitter	Looks like you hit a sore spot, you must be onto something. :)	Oct 13 19:34
trmanco	“All,	Oct 13 19:35
trmanco	We must apologize. OpenOffice.org 3.0 is proving immensely, staggeringly popular. And our site is down as a result. While we fix things, we urge you to be patient and try again later on tonight, tomorrow, this week. It will still be there. “	Oct 13 19:35
trmanco	“Oh, by popular, we mean it: figure hundreds of thousands of users, mostly Windows users, but also Mac OS X and Linux and Solaris users, all trying to download it all at once….. “	Oct 13 19:35
twitter	No, Benjie. I can find it, I just want to get my money’s worth out of those who pay you to troll here.	Oct 13 19:35
schestowitz	benJIman: they will speak.	Oct 13 19:35
schestowitz	They already have,	Oct 13 19:35
trmanco	http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.open…	Oct 13 19:36
trmanco	openoffice.org having a great day	Oct 13 19:36
benJIman	twitter: I wish I were paid to be here.	Oct 13 19:36
schestowitz	.Louis Suarez-Potts	Oct 13 19:37
benJIman	schestowitz: Who what where?	Oct 13 19:37
schestowitz	trmanco: you mentioned him the other day, no?	Oct 13 19:37
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trmanco	schestowitz, where?	Oct 13 19:37
trmanco	don’t really remember	Oct 13 19:37
schestowitz	The mailing list and IRc	Oct 13 19:37
schestowitz	Maybe not. Never mind.	Oct 13 19:37
trmanco	don’t remember	Oct 13 19:37
twitter	http://www.gnome.org/~michael/, not there.	Oct 13 19:38
schestowitz	Anyway, I’ve put up links to a mirror. It won’t help much, but it’s the least I can do for FOSS and ODF.	Oct 13 19:38
benJIman	twitter: Are you blind?	Oct 13 19:38
benJIman	2nd bullet point, 2nd sub-bullet links to boy.	Oct 13 19:39
PetoKraus	benJIman: he is.	Oct 13 19:39
PetoKraus	this is honestly starting to get made of fail. And i thought I need to get laid.	Oct 13 19:40
twitter	Pardon me Benjie, I lost his sub bullet in a sea of unrelated stuff…	Oct 13 19:41
twitter	thanks for finally pointing.	Oct 13 19:41
benJIman	twitter: Well most of today’s post is about it in fact.	Oct 13 19:42
twitter	I’m glad you read it all.	Oct 13 19:43
twitter	You could have been helpful.	Oct 13 19:43
schestowitz	That comes after his potshots at Sun’s OOo	Oct 13 19:44
twitter	If it’s true that Sun and M$ have a patent cease fire, GPL3 allows everyone downstream of Sun the same.	Oct 13 19:45
twitter	Ha ha to Novell and their supposed advantages.	Oct 13 19:45
twitter	Of course that’s not good enough if M$ decides to screw Sun too.	Oct 13 19:45
twitter	Why do I care about ooxml again? Who’s using it?	Oct 13 19:46
schestowitz	They threatened last year	Oct 13 19:46
schestowitz	And as I understand it, the coverage is for StarOffice customers.	Oct 13 19:47
twitter	Ohhh, nice.	Oct 13 19:47
twitter	ODF is good to me.	Oct 13 19:47
schestowitz	Counter-terrorism Bill – covert DNA sampling and analysis with no effective safeguards – http://p10.hostingprod.com/@spyblog.org.uk/…	Oct 13 19:50
twitter	Ick.	Oct 13 19:50
benJIman	twitter: I get ooxml documents sent to me quite regularly now.	Oct 13 19:50
benJIman	Thanks to the current version fo microsoft office defaulting to it	Oct 13 19:51
twitter	benjie, you would.	Oct 13 19:52
schestowitz	I never saw a Xx (no, no triple x, but docx and the likes).	Oct 13 19:53
twitter	If you wanted to collaborate with me or the 95% of the world that does not want to shell out $450 for the current office, you would do better to download OO.org.	Oct 13 19:54
schestowitz	People send PDF around, or text…	Oct 13 19:54
twitter	I know, it’s only terminal PC Guys that insist on Word these days.	Oct 13 19:55
schestowitz	Why does a space tourist (Microsofter) news?	Oct 13 19:55
twitter	not news unless you own the newspaper.	Oct 13 19:56
schestowitz	So many headline about yet another man who leaves the Earth. That’s not news anymore. No more than another round of hadron collider spins.	Oct 13 19:56
twitter	M$ would like you to think they are doing good things with their ill gotten wealth.	Oct 13 19:57
twitter	Other, more innocent journalists seek to inspire.	Oct 13 19:57
twitter	Pleasure cruises are not the best use of money.	Oct 13 19:58
schestowitz	Another issue is the portrayal suggesting that this man ‘made’ the word precessor.	Oct 13 19:58
twitter	shameless	Oct 13 19:58
schestowitz	Microsoft invented none of that essential stuff. It just copied from others (bought companies rather), than mass-marketed.	Oct 13 19:58
schestowitz	It feels like they use those space trips to rewrite history and it’s far from the only article about Microsoft veterans ‘leaving to change the world’ or ‘for charity’. I need to find a Cringely article about guilty criminals living to erase their past.	Oct 13 19:59
schestowitz	Prisoner of Redmond: Yet Another Way Paul Allen Isn’t Like You or Me	Oct 13 20:00
schestowitz	,—-[ Quote ]	Oct 13 20:00
schestowitz	\| Robert X. Cringely reveals the true reason why Paul Allen of Microsoft fame	Oct 13 20:00
schestowitz	\| left the Redmond company, even though it was on track to become an	Oct 13 20:00
schestowitz	\| extremely valuable stock. Considering Microsoft’s track record and behavior	Oct 13 20:00
schestowitz	\| over the years, this should not be surprising, but if true it is beyond	Oct 13 20:00
schestowitz	\| pall!	Oct 13 20:00
schestowitz	\|	Oct 13 20:00
schestowitz	\| [...]	Oct 13 20:00
schestowitz	\|	Oct 13 20:00
schestowitz	\| There are hundreds of Microsoft millionaires (and even a few	Oct 13 20:00
schestowitz	\| Microsoft billionaires) in the suburbs of Seattle. [Roy: there used to be a	Oct 13 20:00
schestowitz	\| blurb here about their retirement and guilt, due to ethics]	Oct 13 20:00
schestowitz	\|	Oct 13 20:00
schestowitz	\| [...]	Oct 13 20:00
schestowitz	\|	Oct 13 20:00
schestowitz	\| During one of those last long nights working to deliver DOS 2.0 in	Oct 13 20:00
schestowitz	\| early 1983, I am told that Paul Allen heard Gates and Ballmer discussing	Oct 13 20:00
schestowitz	\| his health and talking about how to get his Microsoft shares back if	Oct 13 20:00
schestowitz	\| Allen were to die.	Oct 13 20:00
schestowitz	\|	Oct 13 20:00
schestowitz	\| Maybe that’s just the sort of fiduciary discussion board members have to	Oct 13 20:00
schestowitz	\| have, but it didn?t go over well with Paul Allen, who never returned to	Oct 13 20:00
schestowitz	\| Microsoft, and over the next eight years, made huge efforts to secure	Oct 13 20:00
schestowitz	\| his wealth from the fate of Microsoft.	Oct 13 20:00
schestowitz	`—-	Oct 13 20:00
schestowitz	http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pu…	Oct 13 20:00
schestowitz	More recent one:	Oct 13 20:01
schestowitz	A World-Changing Investment	Oct 13 20:01
schestowitz	,—-[ Quote ]	Oct 13 20:01
schestowitz	\| You’d think having a high-profile, high-paying job at Microsoft would	Oct 13 20:01
schestowitz	\| be all someone could want out of life… He left his life as a	Oct 13 20:01
schestowitz	\| Microsoft executive for a sack of books and a yak. And a	Oct 13 20:01
schestowitz	\| whole lot more.	Oct 13 20:01
schestowitz	\|	Oct 13 20:01
schestowitz	\| [...]	Oct 13 20:01
schestowitz	\|	Oct 13 20:01
schestowitz	\| Leaving Microsoft hasn’t made John Wood’s life easier. “I work	Oct 13 20:01
schestowitz	\| harder now, I work longer hours,” he says. “But I’m much more	Oct 13 20:01
schestowitz	\| fulfilled — much happier.	Oct 13 20:01
schestowitz	`—-	Oct 13 20:01
schestowitz	http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2007/01/04/a-wor…	Oct 13 20:01
twitter	They use every page every day to erase your memory. You are a victim of broadcast.	Oct 13 20:02
schestowitz	Here is the full article (it’s gone from the URL about): http://groups.google.com/group/saop…	Oct 13 20:02
schestowitz	*abive	Oct 13 20:02
schestowitz	Just 1st paragraph:	Oct 13 20:03
schestowitz	“There are hundreds of Microsoft millionaires (and even a few Microsoft billionaires) in the suburbs of Seattle. For the most part, these are people who no longer work for Microsoft, but still own company shares. They worked very hard for years and are now reaping the rewards of that work combined with their good luck. “	Oct 13 20:03
schestowitz	“Most of them are proud of their careers, but a few are secretly ashamed. Climb high enough in the organization, and it becomes clear that Microsoft’s success has not always been based on legal or ethical behavior.”	Oct 13 20:03
schestowitz	“The company is, after all, a convicted monopolist, and the exercise of those monopoly powers wasn’t just through a Gates or a Ballmer, but also through dozens of top managers, at least some of whom had to have known that what they were doing was wrong.”	Oct 13 20:04
schestowitz	“These are smart people, but also people trapped by their own success. Some are in denial, some are just quiet. Nobody wants to risk what they have accumulated by talking about it. You would think great wealth would be freeing, but it isn’t always. Sometimes it is a trap.”	Oct 13 20:04
schestowitz	Watch how it ends. He talks about the trial Microsoft settiled with coupons (funny money).	Oct 13 20:05
twitter	I’ll be happy to relieve them of their trap. Perhaps a retroactive tax on capitol gains to make the tax system progressive again.	Oct 13 20:05
schestowitz	“My reason for bringing up this topic at this time is because it will all shortly be back in the news as Microsoft goes to court later this year in what might well be its last-ever anti-trust trial. Remember those 19 states and the District of Columbia that settled over time for software vouchers	Oct 13 20:06
schestowitz	and promises from Microsoft to no longer do evil?”	Oct 13 20:06
schestowitz	“Well only Iowa remains, represented by a lady lawyer from Des Moines named Roxanne Conlin whom I have met. Roxanne is not in any way impressed with Microsoft vouchers, no matter how many there are. Looking for real money for the people of Iowa, Ms. Conlin is about to dredge-up all this old news and put a new spin on it.”	Oct 13 20:06
schestowitz	“Based purely on character (or lack of it), I confidently predict that Microsoft is going down. It should be interesting. “	Oct 13 20:06
twitter	Down they shall go.	Oct 13 20:06
schestowitz	That was in 2006. He was right. Their value sank considerably.	Oct 13 20:09
schestowitz	http://www.businessreviewonline.com/os/a… “19. “There is such an overvaluation of technology stocks that it is absurd. I would include our stock in that category.” Ballmer comments on the dot-com bubble, back in 1999. It burst not long after, proving him right.”	Oct 13 20:12
schestowitz	Phoronix has slowed down considerably I notice. No more articles at the same pace as before.	Oct 13 20:13
schestowitz	Their IRC channel is quieter also.	Oct 13 20:14
twitter	M$ gained 20% today. http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:MSFT	Oct 13 20:15
twitter	look for it to tank tomorrow.	Oct 13 20:15
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schestowitz	A lot of tech stocks were up sharply (double digits)	Oct 13 20:17
schestowitz	Some people may wrongly interpret this as the crisis beginning to end.	Oct 13 20:17
schestowitz	’twas the same after the big blow in late Sept.	Oct 13 20:17
MinceR	re	Oct 13 20:19
schestowitz	Who created the myth that if code become visible, then suddenly the software is no lonnger “user friendly”? http://www.builderau.com.au/program/li…	Oct 13 20:20
schestowitz	That’s like saying that pancakes with syrup are less spoon friendly. There’s no correlation between code visibility and GUI.	Oct 13 20:21
trmanco	http://www.xitimonitor.com/en-us/search-…	Oct 13 20:23
schestowitz	Yes.	Oct 13 20:24
trmanco		Oct 13 20:24
schestowitz	Those benchmarks remind me of those ‘Net App’ stats that place Linux nowhere.	Oct 13 20:24
trmanco	yes	Oct 13 20:24
schestowitz	It’s population bised and their methods are a joke, but people just look at charts and pies, not caring about methods and data.	Oct 13 20:25
schestowitz	In tech sites (inc. mine), Google is over 90%, but the rest if hard to come by	Oct 13 20:25
trmanco	but I posted the link for the live search numbers	Oct 13 20:25
schestowitz	Another measurer said that MSN fell from 9% to 5% in the past year	Oct 13 20:25
schestowitz	Another one says they gained slightly.	Oct 13 20:25
schestowitz	Who to believe? Who knows?	Oct 13 20:25
trmanco	what about live using bots?	Oct 13 20:25
schestowitz	Gartner says Linux is on 4% of the desktops.	Oct 13 20:26
trmanco	any more info on that?	Oct 13 20:26
trmanco	nothing is trustworthy	Oct 13 20:26
schestowitz	w3cschools says over 3% and some Microsoft ZDNet bloggers repeat the big lies to scare hardware manufacturers and demoralise Linux users.	Oct 13 20:26
trmanco	they are just mere statistics	Oct 13 20:26
schestowitz	trmanco: yes, they use bots.	Oct 13 20:26
trmanco	lol	Oct 13 20:26
schestowitz	Some things count them it. Some webmasters blacklisted MSN	Oct 13 20:27
schestowitz	Some of them have interests behind them	Oct 13 20:27
trmanco	already thought of that too	Oct 13 20:27
schestowitz	Remember… about analysts… as Microsoft says… they sell out… it’s their business model	Oct 13 20:27
schestowitz	No-one checks stats on thousands of sites every month as “just a hooby	Oct 13 20:27
schestowitz	*hobby”	Oct 13 20:28
trmanco	99.51% comes from google	Oct 13 20:29
schestowitz	Where?	Oct 13 20:31
trmanco	on one of my sites	Oct 13 20:31
schestowitz	Google brings almost 1000 visitors to BN each day.	Oct 13 20:32
schestowitz	Microsoft just spams it with the bots	Oct 13 20:32
schestowitz	About 100 times a day	Oct 13 20:32
schestowitz	Fake referrals	Oct 13 20:32
trmanco	0.03 comes from live	Oct 13 20:32
trmanco	2 visits	Oct 13 20:33
schestowitz	Interesting that this month about 13% of the visitors use Ubuntu	Oct 13 20:33
schestowitz	Second comes Fedora, then SUSE.	Oct 13 20:33
schestowitz	More people in BN use Ubuntu than Vista.	Oct 13 20:34
trmanco	lol	Oct 13 20:36
trmanco	<schestowitz> .Louis Suarez-Potts	Oct 13 20:36
trmanco	<schestowitz> trmanco: you mentioned him the other day, no?	Oct 13 20:36
trmanco	I remember now	Oct 13 20:37
trmanco	I did mention him	Oct 13 20:37
schestowitz	Marino is the other important chap	Oct 13 20:37
trmanco	in this I think ->http://tek.sapo.pt/opiniao/nos_…	Oct 13 20:37
trmanco	and I have another link from him	Oct 13 20:37
trmanco	http://ooo-speak.blogspot.com/20…	Oct 13 20:37
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trmanco	http://www.howtoforge.com/the-perf…	Oct 13 21:00
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trmanco	cool -> http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/MozillaLinks/~3/419674924/	Oct 13 21:02
trmanco	http://www.linuxjournal.com/conten…	Oct 13 21:03
schestowitz	Useful FF functionality. It would be nice to see Konqueror rising, but Web developers make it hard.	Oct 13 21:05
PeterKraus	i hate the slow ffx startup without net connection	Oct 13 21:06
schestowitz	Yes, I noticed that too.	Oct 13 21:08
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schestowitz	Unavailable sites lead to a misbehaviour as well (slowness)	Oct 13 21:08
trmanco	http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/RoyalP…	Oct 13 21:27
trmanco	OpenSUSE hit by power outage	Oct 13 21:27
schestowitz	Resolves by now, no?	Oct 13 21:27
schestowitz	Since Saturday night.	Oct 13 21:27
trmanco	yes	Oct 13 21:29
schestowitz	That site design made me wondoer.	Oct 13 21:29
trmanco	everything should be up	Oct 13 21:29
schestowitz	What if in BN we appanded recent posts below the current one?	Oct 13 21:29
trmanco	good idea	Oct 13 21:31
trmanco	it makes people stay and read more	Oct 13 21:31
schestowitz	I’ll have a look at this in a moment. I never saw this design, but in Pingdom it encouraged me to see other stuff.	Oct 13 21:32
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trmanco	wordpress has a plugin for that	Oct 13 21:33
trmanco	not recent posts but related posts	Oct 13 21:34
schestowitz	I already have this.	Oct 13 21:36
schestowitz	You can see it in two place on the right-hand menu	Oct 13 21:37
schestowitz	But if I can expand to include except, it would be progress.	Oct 13 21:37
schestowitz	I can’t recall the WP APIs, but I can learn again.	Oct 13 21:37
schestowitz	trmanco: check single-post pages now.	Oct 13 21:42
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/13/…	Oct 13 21:42
schestowitz	I’ll hack on it as I go along, so error possible	Oct 13 21:42
trmanco	cool	Oct 13 21:43
trmanco	just need a way not to put the same article	Oct 13 21:43
trmanco	at the bottom	Oct 13 21:43
schestowitz	I know, I know..	Oct 13 21:43
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schestowitz	OK, I think I got it..	Oct 13 21:49
schestowitz	I’m getting somewhere now.	Oct 13 21:53
schestowitz	If only I could pull pictures from the posts.	Oct 13 21:53
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PeterKraus	HEHE! http://www.xkcd.com/	Oct 13 22:06
PeterKraus	schestowitz: you should link that strip	Oct 13 22:06
schestowitz	Oh thanks!	Oct 13 22:07
schestowitz	I saw it this morning. I’ll add it.	Oct 13 22:07
PeterKraus	i am like – WHAA?	Oct 13 22:08
twitter	Big dumb companies skew OS web statistics too. People have no choice there at all about what software they use. Talking about it gets you dirty looks.	Oct 13 22:18
twitter	An AP writer sees the rally as a bad thing, ” Wall Street stormed back after its worst week ever and staged the biggest single-day stock rally since the Great Depression on Monday” Great Depression.	Oct 13 22:18
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twitter	“Well, if you can’t trust SCO, who can you trust?” http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?stor…	Oct 13 23:55
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