| _Doug | promise them the sun moon and stars .. until you get their money ... | Oct 30 18:08 |
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| schestowitz | Ecosystem, not just business | Oct 30 18:08 |
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| schestowitz | IDC, Gartner, Novell and other allies are paid too. | Oct 30 18:09 |
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| _Doug | corruption is only if you get caught :o | Oct 30 18:09 |
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| schestowitz | As someone who mails me says, "it's more like a religion or political movement" | Oct 30 18:09 |
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| schestowitz | _Doug: they got caught. | Oct 30 18:09 |
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| schestowitz | They paid for allegation to go away | Oct 30 18:09 |
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| _Doug | more like a cult .. n/l | Oct 30 18:09 |
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| schestowitz | Ironically, they call /others/ that. | Oct 30 18:10 |
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| schestowitz | They call Linux/FOSS religion and Apple a "cult" | Oct 30 18:10 |
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| schestowitz | Sometimes it's easier to put labels on a minority, but there ya go.. | Oct 30 18:10 |
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| _Doug | example: man leases Supermarket, hos no money or stock .. | Oct 30 18:10 |
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| _Doug | uses Supermarket as colateral to buy foodstock on credit .. | Oct 30 18:11 |
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| _Doug | sells foodstock and pays off creditors | Oct 30 18:11 |
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| _Doug | is technically fraudalent | Oct 30 18:12 |
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| _Doug | but what the left-hand don't know, don't matter .. | Oct 30 18:12 |
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| _Doug | that man is now a Lord ... | Oct 30 18:12 |
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| _Doug | example #2: have only €£10 grand .. | Oct 30 18:14 |
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| _Doug | Get a loan for a 100 at 10% interest .. | Oct 30 18:14 |
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| _Doug | pay off loan immediatly and get another loan for 1000 at 10% interest .. | Oct 30 18:15 |
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| _Doug | bump it up four times and use the sum to finance an apartment block .. | Oct 30 18:15 |
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| _Doug | sell apartment block at 4X the price and pocket the rest .. | Oct 30 18:16 |
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| _Doug | not a bad days worth for 10 grand .. | Oct 30 18:16 |
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| schestowitz | http://radian.org/notebook/the-green... "[T]he Times’ Bits blog has a fascinating post putting Greenspan’s comments about risk management systems in context. In short, computers don’t help if you lie to them." | Oct 30 18:17 |
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| twitter | People who lie to their computers are generally using their computer to lie to others. | Oct 30 18:22 |
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| schestowitz | Sent by a reader: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=961588 "The best solution is to avoid Mono and go back to Java Server Pages." | Oct 30 18:24 |
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| schestowitz | "From the stupidity has its own punishment department" | Oct 30 18:24 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: let's sue teh computers. "The Big Machines," as George W B calls 'em. | Oct 30 18:25 |
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| PetoKraus | LOL roy | Oct 30 18:26 |
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| PetoKraus | nice catch | Oct 30 18:26 |
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| PetoKraus | schestowitz: testing your mandriva ;) | Oct 30 18:28 |
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| schestowitz | Mine? | Oct 30 18:28 |
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| PetoKraus | yes, your beloved :P | Oct 30 18:28 |
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| schestowitz | You should have seen what their community manager said about Ubuntu. | Oct 30 18:28 |
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| PetoKraus | link? | Oct 30 18:29 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.happyassassin.net/2008/10/28/why-... (personal opinion, not Mandriva) | Oct 30 18:29 |
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| schestowitz | I use Ubuntu at work and at home, but not just that. | Oct 30 18:29 |
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| schestowitz | Tip on Mono smacking: "Cool. Be sure to constantly steer back to the original, working technologies -- the ones also without the legal landmines." | Oct 30 18:30 |
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| neighborlee | what exactly is the lowdown on ubuntu and mono..because they are based in UK wherever they are,, does this make them legally unaffected by patents or does it depends where iso is downloaded from ? | Oct 30 18:37 |
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| neighborlee | downloaded from,,or where OS is used is more appropriate I guess | Oct 30 18:38 |
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| twitter | Happy Assassin's analogy forgets to mention the M$ Mafia having screwed everyone for decades. | Oct 30 18:38 |
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| twitter | Shuttleworth's personal "dive bomb" has gotten him places "fair" competition could not. Good for Shuttleworth and free software. | Oct 30 18:39 |
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| twitter | Other distros will be happy when the M$ monopoly is broken. | Oct 30 18:40 |
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| neighborlee | it wont happen I dont think anytime soon until people that install linux see a stable system where all hardware and software works as expected. | Oct 30 18:40 |
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| neighborlee | apps, games, you name it..its a huge uphille battle. | Oct 30 18:40 |
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| twitter | HP sees that already. | Oct 30 18:41 |
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| twitter | So do Lenovo, Asus, Acer and others. | Oct 30 18:41 |
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| neighborlee | well if latest ubuntu release is any indication..I find that slightly hard to believe. | Oct 30 18:41 |
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| neighborlee | apport isn't even enabled by default in stable releases..thats just crazy. | Oct 30 18:42 |
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| neighborlee | imho anyway | Oct 30 18:42 |
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| twitter | apport? | Oct 30 18:42 |
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| neighborlee | yes | Oct 30 18:42 |
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| neighborlee | crasn handler | Oct 30 18:42 |
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| neighborlee | crash | Oct 30 18:42 |
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| schestowitz | Just posted, about EU and UK patents: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/1... | Oct 30 18:43 |
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| twitter | I don't know. I'm on Lenny. Lenny's got some bugs now, so Ubuntu will have bugs. They get fixed. | Oct 30 18:43 |
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| schestowitz | _Doug: thanks for the input. I'm doing lots of SCO quotes today. | Oct 30 18:43 |
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| neighborlee | twitter: stuff happens yes | Oct 30 18:43 |
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| twitter | After eight years of GNU/Linux use, I'm sure free software is ready for everyone. | Oct 30 18:43 |
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| neighborlee | intrepid was released with a wonky cd drive mechanism..umount issues..to me thats just wrong,,QA has gone into the crapper imo. | Oct 30 18:44 |
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| neighborlee | twitter: for the most part prob. so yes ;) | Oct 30 18:44 |
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| twitter | The only thing I've missed has been 3d acceleration. That's on the way. | Oct 30 18:44 |
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| neighborlee | ? | Oct 30 18:44 |
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| neighborlee | you mean your not using proprietary drivers ? | Oct 30 18:45 |
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| twitter | Right. | Oct 30 18:45 |
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| neighborlee | ah ok | Oct 30 18:45 |
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| neighborlee | well I cant live without them..I game ;) | Oct 30 18:45 |
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| neighborlee | and well I use blender3d ;) | Oct 30 18:45 |
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| neighborlee | so its not possible here. | Oct 30 18:45 |
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| twitter | Care to share some of your blender work? | Oct 30 18:45 |
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| neighborlee | interesting article about mandriva vs canonical hehe | Oct 30 18:45 |
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| PetoKraus | neighborlee: what graphics card do you have? | Oct 30 18:46 |
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| neighborlee | twitter: nothing online atm, but sure I can do that latre if you wish | Oct 30 18:46 |
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| neighborlee | PetoKraus: nvidia 8800 GTX 768MB | Oct 30 18:46 |
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| twitter | no hurry, there's plenty of entertainment in the world. | Oct 30 18:46 |
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| PetoKraus | neighborlee: i've had some successes on ATI open source drivers 'n' gaming | Oct 30 18:46 |
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| PetoKraus | neighborlee: aha ;) | Oct 30 18:46 |
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| neighborlee | ive heard too many horror stories about ati and linux..sorry no yet ;) | Oct 30 18:46 |
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| twitter | Nvidia is the only company that's not playing free software ball now and their non free drivers work. | Oct 30 18:47 |
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| neighborlee | plus this card was a really good deal...Idont mind using nvidia drivers either its a non issue to m e. | Oct 30 18:47 |
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| PetoKraus | :) it's much better than nVidia right now | Oct 30 18:47 |
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| twitter | Intel works OK. | Oct 30 18:47 |
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| schestowitz | neighborlee: in the future, avoid NVidia. | Oct 30 18:47 |
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| neighborlee | well as I say..it was economics that drove my purchase ;) | Oct 30 18:47 |
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| schestowitz | I have NVidia on this machine. | Oct 30 18:47 |
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| schestowitz | At work I have ATI | Oct 30 18:47 |
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| PetoKraus | i guess AMD Fusion is very nice idea | Oct 30 18:48 |
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| PetoKraus | good for most users | Oct 30 18:48 |
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| PetoKraus | Puma is actually very good, though, poor adaptation so far | Oct 30 18:48 |
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| twitter | Sooner or later Nvidia will have to play too. | Oct 30 18:48 |
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| PetoKraus | like, 3 models.... | Oct 30 18:48 |
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| schestowitz | We need to reward AMD/ATI to encourage better open source drivers. NVidia is defective and a lost cause. Let them perish or see the light. | Oct 30 18:48 |
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| schestowitz | AMD CPU + ATI is a good combination. No VIA, no Intel, no NVidia.. | Oct 30 18:48 |
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| neighborlee | twitter: they claim they can't atm..patents on certain parts of their cards ? | Oct 30 18:48 |
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| twitter | then let them perish | Oct 30 18:49 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz: yeah I agree on that | Oct 30 18:49 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: yes, when people say "no" to NVidia, then they'll change. | Oct 30 18:49 |
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| PetoKraus | schestowitz: they are doing Fusion platform, i dunno if you heard | Oct 30 18:49 |
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| twitter | What ATI boards do you recommend for free drivers? | Oct 30 18:49 |
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| schestowitz | If you feed a yelling prisoner, he'll keep yelling. | Oct 30 18:49 |
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| PetoKraus | it's basically GPU incorporated on CPU | Oct 30 18:49 |
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| _Doug | 1990-1995: Microsoft's Yellow Road to Cairo .. | Oct 30 18:49 |
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| PetoKraus | twitter: just have a look on phoronix | Oct 30 18:49 |
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| _Doug | http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/Q4.... | Oct 30 18:49 |
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| neighborlee | however another reason I avoided ati, was their use of DX ,,nvidia has always been strong on ogl. | Oct 30 18:49 |
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| neighborlee | that and my friends all use nvidia. | Oct 30 18:50 |
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| neighborlee | so .. | Oct 30 18:50 |
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| PetoKraus | well, not really | Oct 30 18:50 |
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| PetoKraus | geforce 8800, reportedly, has much worse performance on OGL than DirectX | Oct 30 18:50 |
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| neighborlee | oh lovely | Oct 30 18:50 |
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| PetoKraus | they had to pick between DX10 and OGL, afawk | Oct 30 18:50 |
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| schestowitz | NVidia has manufacturing problems. Very serious ones. | Oct 30 18:50 |
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| neighborlee | well atm I do most gaming in winblows | Oct 30 18:50 |
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| neighborlee | sad to say ;) | Oct 30 18:50 |
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| schestowitz | I alwayty fear that the GPU will start acting up | Oct 30 18:50 |
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| schestowitz | Even Apple PCs with NVidia are affected. | Oct 30 18:51 |
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| schestowitz | And that's not FUD. NVidia told this to its shareholders. If got sued anyway, I think... for downplaying it. | Oct 30 18:51 |
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| neighborlee | is there url for this | Oct 30 18:52 |
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| twitter | I look at phoronix and find 11 page articles. Are there free software drivers for ATI yet that work? | Oct 30 18:53 |
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| neighborlee | faik, not even ati gives free drives for their 'new' cards. | Oct 30 18:55 |
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| twitter | Intel did and they hate free software. | Oct 30 18:56 |
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| MinceR | funny how intel gpu-s have the best driver support | Oct 30 18:56 |
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| neighborlee | and the least performance ;) | Oct 30 18:56 |
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| neighborlee | oh well ;) | Oct 30 18:56 |
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| _Doug | Rob Enderle demonstrates multi-touch on Windows 7 .. | Oct 30 18:58 |
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| _Doug | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/techn... | Oct 30 18:58 |
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| schestowitz | neighborlee: yes, hold on... http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/ne... | Oct 30 18:58 |
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| schestowitz | "Technology analyst Rob Enderle and the BBC's Rory Cellan-Jones have taken a look." | Oct 30 18:59 |
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| schestowitz | Haha. Rory is the usual MSBBC pal of Ballmer and Gates. | Oct 30 18:59 |
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| schestowitz | Funny how all the groupies join efforts to boost Vista 7. | Oct 30 19:00 |
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| schestowitz | From http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=8332 : | Oct 30 19:00 |
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| schestowitz | 'With the exception of Rob Enderle and myself – who were the only two “Professional” journalists and analysts present at the event as far as I could tell — the entire guest list was stacked with Open Source community folks, such as William Hurley, BMC Software’s Chief Open Source strategist and David Recordon, the the founder of OpenID.' | Oct 30 19:00 |
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| schestowitz | 'Starting from the cocktail mixer at the Bellevue Hyatt on the Tuesday evening that I got there and introducing myself to each attendee, it became increasingly apparent that this was no typical analyst/press/blogger Microsoft meet and greet.' | Oct 30 19:00 |
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| schestowitz | Cocktails... parties... Microsoft... Enderle. | Oct 30 19:00 |
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| schestowitz | Bringing in bloggers and IBM employees for some drinks (not Kool-Aid per se) | Oct 30 19:01 |
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| twitter | here's something useful - https://help.ubuntu.com/commun... | Oct 30 19:01 |
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| twitter | " we were locked in a presentation room from 8:30 to 5:30 each day" Contain them! Don't let them teach our staff anything. | Oct 30 19:05 |
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| _Doug | powerpoint demos .. but not the actual 'stuff' ? | Oct 30 19:05 |
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| twitter | Sounds like it's all vapor, " was usually prefaced or ended by “Oh yeah, by the way, Miguel de Icaza pretty much has all this stuff ported to Linux already, and if it isn’t working now, we’re gonna make it work really soon.”" | Oct 30 19:07 |
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| twitter | really soon now, we promise | Oct 30 19:07 |
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| twitter | just eat this green apple | Oct 30 19:08 |
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| twitter | they taste great with kool aid. | Oct 30 19:09 |
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| twitter | Cue Cat. http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=... | Oct 30 19:17 |
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| twitter | Shuttleworth says he can fund Canonical for another 3 to 5 years. That ought to be long enough for M$ to be gone. | Oct 30 19:19 |
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| twitter | http://linux.slashdot.org/a... | Oct 30 19:19 |
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| schestowitz | I think he sais something different. | Oct 30 19:19 |
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| schestowitz | He said it would take 3-5 years to become profitable. That's different. | Oct 30 19:19 |
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| twitter | Ah, let me look for myself. | Oct 30 19:19 |
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| netcat_ | What does that mean...Canonical is not cash-flow positive | Oct 30 19:21 |
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| twitter | That means it's losing money. | Oct 30 19:21 |
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| twitter | ""I have no objection to funding the business for another three to five years," he said in a conference call Monday. "I certainly have the patience to see us through any downturn. I think this downturn is going to be very good for Canonical...Canonical is not cash-flow positive, but our offering is very effective for those who want to pinch their pennies." | Oct 30 19:22 |
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| netcat_ | yeah...until they stop shipping free cd's | Oct 30 19:22 |
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| twitter | He thinks he'll be making money in two years but is willing and able to fund it for five. No one can predict further than five years. | Oct 30 19:23 |
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| schestowitz | Bilski's is!! | Oct 30 19:23 |
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| schestowitz | Great news. Against patentability!!! | Oct 30 19:23 |
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| schestowitz | Sorry about the typos/ | Oct 30 19:23 |
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| twitter | What, the Cue Cat? | Oct 30 19:23 |
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| twitter | I thought it was bad news they earned a patent on their backward barcode reader. | Oct 30 19:24 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: urgent | Oct 30 19:24 |
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| schestowitz | Can you send me the HTML of http://www.cafc.uscourts.gov/o... | Oct 30 19:24 |
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| trmanco | Ubuntu 8.10 looks a lot prettier then its predecessor | Oct 30 19:25 |
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| schestowitz | Other sites want me to publish this | Oct 30 19:25 |
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| twitter | ok | Oct 30 19:25 |
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| schestowitz | :-) Thanks a MILLION | Oct 30 19:27 |
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| schestowitz | I'll prepare a post for it. | Oct 30 19:27 |
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| twitter | No problem, 2.2 MB on the way. simple and complex format | Oct 30 19:31 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz:http://www.techpowerup.com/in... < oops ? | Oct 30 19:32 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: ta | Oct 30 19:33 |
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| twitter | pdf integration with konqueror is good enough that I don't mind that format but I'm happy to help people who just want to read text. | Oct 30 19:33 |
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| twitter | or look at images | Oct 30 19:33 |
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| schestowitz | The way it's done by default is excellent. | Oct 30 19:35 |
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| twitter | cool | Oct 30 19:35 |
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| twitter | M$ down 1.2%, Down up 1.2%, ha ha. | Oct 30 19:35 |
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| _Doug | 07-1130.html .. done | Oct 30 19:35 |
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| _Doug | twitter .. 1.2% is funny ? | Oct 30 19:38 |
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| schestowitz | Freudian slip | Oct 30 19:42 |
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| schestowitz | Dow=>Down :-) | Oct 30 19:42 |
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| _Doug | is Diamond v. Diehr relevent ? | Oct 30 19:42 |
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| _Doug | http://www.oyez.org/cases/1980-1... | Oct 30 19:42 |
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| schestowitz | _Doug: "Argument: Tuesday, October 14, 1980" | Oct 30 20:09 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/forms/bi... http://boycottnovell.com/forms/bil... | Oct 30 20:10 |
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| twitter | _Doug, here's funny, Dow up 2.11%, MSTF down 1.6% at close, a 3.7% parting of ways. | Oct 30 20:20 |
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| twitter | Oh my, that is good news about patents. | Oct 30 20:23 |
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| twitter | Good bye and good riddance to business method patents. | Oct 30 20:24 |
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| twitter | and, hopefully, software patents as a whole. | Oct 30 20:25 |
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| twitter | " the invention is not implemented on a specific apparatus | Oct 30 20:25 |
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| twitter | and merely manipulates [an] abstract idea and solves a purely mathematical problem | Oct 30 20:25 |
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| twitter | without any limitation to a practical application, therefore, the invention is not directed to | Oct 30 20:25 |
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| twitter | the technological arts." | Oct 30 20:25 |
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| twitter | slam. | Oct 30 20:25 |
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| schestowitz | Vista 7 didn't impress then, eh? | Oct 30 20:26 |
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| twitter | Patent threats no longer impress, that's for sure. | Oct 30 20:32 |
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| twitter | The first reviews of Vista SP2 have not been favorable. | Oct 30 20:33 |
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| twitter | I'd start a new failure log but the stories belong in the Vista failure log. | Oct 30 20:34 |
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| schestowitz | There's enough material already for Vista7FailureLog | Oct 30 20:35 |
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| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-10076... ""A security issue has been identified that could allow an authenticated remote attacker to compromise your Microsoft Windows-based system and gain control over it," the security update says." | Oct 30 20:36 |
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| schestowitz | "The more than 6,000 attendees who will be walking away from the sold-out event with the Windows 7 operating system software in hand could have been vulnerable to an attacker exploiting the security hole." | Oct 30 20:36 |
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| twitter | It's all Windows failure. It's not like they can do a rewrite. | Oct 30 20:36 |
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| schestowitz | Take preactive action. | Oct 30 20:36 |
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| schestowitz | Accumulate VIsta 7 failures. | Oct 30 20:36 |
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| twitter | Might as well. | Oct 30 20:36 |
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| schestowitz | Then present a sort of thesis.. anti-marketing material. | Oct 30 20:36 |
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| twitter | Look at this, my trolls have accused me of a "sleazy whisper campaign" http://slashdot.org/comments... | Oct 30 20:37 |
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| twitter | The people who made neo nazi name trolls for me have some nerve. | Oct 30 20:38 |
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| schestowitz | Lucky I had mod points. Who's that "Macthorpe" anyway? | Oct 30 20:43 |
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| twitter | Just another name troll. I don't believe anything any of them tell me. | Oct 30 20:44 |
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| PetoKraus | wheee | Oct 30 20:45 |
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| PetoKraus | modpoints | Oct 30 20:45 |
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| PetoKraus | :D | Oct 30 20:45 |
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| twitter | Macthorpe and Dedazo accounts have been used to harass me for years. | Oct 30 20:45 |
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| schestowitz | Gremlins are noises in one's head. | Oct 30 20:45 |
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| schestowitz | I got some E-mail about "MS evangelism" hours ago. | Oct 30 20:46 |
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| schestowitz | Someone wishes to spill some big beans. | Oct 30 20:46 |
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| twitter | that would be more interesting if they had spilled already. the suspense must be killing you. | Oct 30 20:47 |
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| schestowitz | There are things we already know. http://boycottnovell.com/wp-... | Oct 30 20:49 |
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| schestowitz | (hint: would be nice if a whole book was published about it) | Oct 30 20:49 |
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| twitter | They had better hurry up the book before M$ sinks and no one cares anymore. | Oct 30 20:51 |
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| _Doug | maybe they are just checking as to what is out there already .. ? | Oct 30 20:54 |
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| _Doug | like .. for instance .. comes was never supposed to see the light of day .. | Oct 30 20:55 |
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| _Doug | there are very early references as to just what DLLs would do to security .. | Oct 30 20:55 |
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| schestowitz | Does the supposed author know about those Comes docs? | Oct 30 20:57 |
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| _Doug | I guess .. just Google on some name ... | Oct 30 20:58 |
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| schestowitz | Is the Bilski story in /. FP yet? It definitely belongs there. | Oct 30 20:59 |
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| schestowitz | http://technocrat.net/d/2008/10/30/53003 "In this piece, a reporter is saying according to a conference call he listened to with one of the big bailout recipients, they are way more interested in using that capital to gobble up competition, use it for more acquisitions in other words, than in making new loans." | Oct 30 21:01 |
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| _Doug | remind me of Bilski .. I lose track of the fud sometimes .. | Oct 30 21:01 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/30... | Oct 30 21:02 |
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| twitter | something made it to /. http://yro.slashdot.org/articl... | Oct 30 21:04 |
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| _Doug | http://yro.slashdot.org/article... | Oct 30 21:05 |
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| _Doug | beat me by 200 milliseconds .. :) | Oct 30 21:05 |
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| _Doug | is this in relation to where someone patented insurance on a computer ? | Oct 30 21:06 |
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| _Doug | no .. "commodities trading" | Oct 30 21:06 |
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| schestowitz | I've put links to the HTMLs there. | Oct 30 21:06 |
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| _Doug | I can't wait to see how the amicus.curie are going to spin this .. | Oct 30 21:07 |
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| schestowitz | StopSoftwarePatents says there will be a lobbyists riot | Oct 30 21:08 |
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| _Doug | MS evangelism::correction: someone wishes to know what beans are already spilled :) | Oct 30 21:09 |
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| _Doug | have the beans been copied somewhere before they disappear from the originating sites ? | Oct 30 21:11 |
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| schestowitz | Yes. | Oct 30 21:13 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wp-co... | Oct 30 21:13 |
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| schestowitz | MP cries mercy for McKinnon < http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/... > | Oct 30 21:19 |
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| _Doug | all of the beans .. what's that site with the whole directory tree PXxxxx ? | Oct 30 21:19 |
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| schestowitz | http://antitrust.slated.org | Oct 30 21:19 |
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| schestowitz | Desperate Nvidia accuses ATI of cheating < http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/... > | Oct 30 21:21 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/30... | Oct 30 21:30 |
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| schestowitz | "Can we kick Miguel de Icaza out of our free software club? He is the worst thing to happen to open source software ever!" | Oct 30 21:30 |
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| schestowitz | The Register's Gavin Clarke is wiping Microsoft's behind again.. with open-source BS | Oct 30 21:31 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* Sarko...! "Semi-barmy kneehigh French premier Nicolas Sarkozy has failed in his attempt to whip from French shelves a voodoo doll bearing his handsome likeness." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10... | Oct 30 21:34 |
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| schestowitz | Another patents-obsessed company biting the dust: http://www.pcworld.com/article/153039/.ht... < Alcatel-Lucent Posts Loss > | Oct 30 21:40 |
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| schestowitz | Motorola Loses $397M in Q3, Plans Switch to Android < http://www.pcworld.com/article/153056/.html?tk=rss_news >; TSMC Sees Big Revenue Drop, Spending Cuts < http://www.pcworld.com/article/153041/tsmc_... > | Oct 30 21:47 |
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| schestowitz | Good comment: http://www.linux.com/?module=comments&fun... | Oct 30 21:54 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, jose | Oct 30 21:54 |
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| schestowitz | Let me post your piece. | Oct 30 21:54 |
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| jose | hey | Oct 30 21:54 |
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| jose | noooooooo | Oct 30 21:54 |
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| schestowitz | Give me 2 minutes. | Oct 30 21:54 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Oct 30 21:54 |
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| schestowitz | It's already there anyway. | Oct 30 21:54 |
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| schestowitz | It's already posted. | Oct 30 21:54 |
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| jose | i'll wait to read it, but if we don't have a good position, i don't want to be messing with patents | Oct 30 21:55 |
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| jose | did you catch what i wrote after you left? | Oct 30 21:55 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I did. | Oct 30 21:55 |
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| schestowitz | It's an ongoing powwow | Oct 30 21:55 |
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| jose | if the foss people sue then ms will sue back | Oct 30 21:55 |
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| jose | if no sue, then what would motivate writers? | Oct 30 21:55 |
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| jose | aside, that was nice about the business patent ruling | Oct 30 21:56 |
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| jose | this link appears to be about promoting foss on windows and asking for what other foss people like: http://www.linuxtoday.com/it_m... | Oct 30 21:57 |
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| schestowitz | There's no stuff on that. | Oct 30 21:57 |
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| schestowitz | Gavin Clarke is shooting from the MS hip again. | Oct 30 21:57 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/... | Oct 30 21:57 |
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| schestowitz | I'm pissed off seeing authors who play along with Microsoft's "we're open" fakery. | Oct 30 21:58 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.networkworld.com/slideshow... ?? | Oct 30 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | Carla is link to old stuff (months old) | Oct 30 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | It seems like readership in that site is descending. | Oct 30 22:00 |
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| schestowitz | *linking, not "link' | Oct 30 22:00 |
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| twitter | Motorola, " abandoning the Symbian UIQ operating system, and its proprietary mobile Linux OS, to focus on the Google-backed platform and Microsoft's Windows Mobile." from frying pan to fire. | Oct 30 22:00 |
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| schestowitz | Windows Mobile is dying. | Oct 30 22:01 |
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| schestowitz | Say Cringely, Om Malik, even Microsoft Watch (although not in these words) | Oct 30 22:01 |
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| schestowitz | Here's something I don't get. http://techdirt.com claims to have over 800,000k subsribers, but it's PR6 and BN beats it in terms of Netcraft rank and almost in terms of Alex ranks. I know about some readership fakers out there... trying to just attract advertisers. | Oct 30 22:04 |
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| schestowitz | *800,000, not 800,000k | Oct 30 22:05 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.schneier.com/blog/archive... "This is just ridiculous. Of course the bad guys will use all the communications tools available to the rest of us. They have to communicate, after all. They'll also use cars, water faucets, and all-you-can-eat buffet lunches. So what?" | Oct 30 22:24 |
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| schestowitz | http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/... "Opera's engineers have developed a version of Opera Mini that can run on an Apple iPhone, but Apple won't let the company release it because it competes with Apple's own Safari browser." | Oct 30 22:25 |
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| MinceR | i wonder why opera bothered | Oct 30 22:28 |
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| MinceR | they know crApple can't stand competition | Oct 30 22:28 |
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| schestowitz | http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-10532-0.... "Matt Assay? Can you give me a LOL? This is the man who professes to be an advocate of open source yet is a self confessed Apple fan. The irony! IT BURNS!" | Oct 30 22:35 |
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| PetoKraus | hehe, my friend updated his ubuntu | Oct 30 22:36 |
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| PetoKraus | and he can't connect using wireless | Oct 30 22:36 |
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| PetoKraus | it seems to have uninstalled the wpa-supplicant frontend | Oct 30 22:36 |
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| schestowitz | Interesting thoughts in Splashtop: http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-10532-0... | Oct 30 22:37 |
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| schestowitz | Can't he reinstall it? | Oct 30 22:37 |
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| PetoKraus | well, he has to connect using wired | Oct 30 22:37 |
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| schestowitz | Oh | Oct 30 22:38 |
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| PetoKraus | though - i mean, it's stupid, upgrade shouldn't break your system | Oct 30 22:38 |
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| schestowitz | I got the feeling that some time ago Canonical started to neglect the desktop to do their Remix thingie because that's where the money is. | Oct 30 22:38 |
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| twitter | upgrades are difficult, that's why Debian takes so long between releases. | Oct 30 22:39 |
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| schestowitz | I hope that I'm wrong, but it they can't produce a desktop as solid as several other vendors (Mandriva is good), then they should send those users where they belong and do their Remix thing. | Oct 30 22:39 |
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| schestowitz | FWIW, it's messy also with Mac OS and Windows (upgrades don't work well) | Oct 30 22:39 |
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| PetoKraus | twitter: though, debian's upgrade never broke my system | Oct 30 22:40 |
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| PetoKraus | twitter: from etch to lenny, that is | Oct 30 22:40 |
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| twitter | that's cool because lenny is still in testing. | Oct 30 22:40 |
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| twitter | I've goon from Woody to Sarge to Etch and now Lenny. I've only had disk space problems, that I made for myself. Otherwise, Debian upgrades have always been good to me. | Oct 30 22:41 |
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| PetoKraus | exactly | Oct 30 22:42 |
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| PetoKraus | ubuntu? breaks. | Oct 30 22:42 |
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| twitter | Other distributions are better with a binary wipe from a CD, preserving your home directory. | Oct 30 22:42 |
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| PetoKraus | though that is too much hassle | Oct 30 22:42 |
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| PetoKraus | that's why i like rolling-release much more | Oct 30 22:43 |
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| twitter | A CD install would be a little much every six months. | Oct 30 22:43 |
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| twitter | Debian children always have the maximum pain when Debian is about to go stable. They have to pull from SID to differentiate themselves. That's a useful service and it's less painful than running SID all the time yourself. | Oct 30 22:46 |
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| twitter | but it can break things. | Oct 30 22:46 |
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| PetoKraus | well, i am running gentoo ~arch, that means, quite new versions of stuff | Oct 30 22:47 |
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| PetoKraus | it tends to be actually more stable than "stable" tree sometimes | Oct 30 22:47 |
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| twitter | One of these days, I'm going to have to try that out. | Oct 30 22:47 |
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| PetoKraus | don't.... try arch | Oct 30 22:48 |
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| PetoKraus | gentoo is waste of time | Oct 30 22:48 |
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| twitter | I waste a lot of time. :) | Oct 30 22:48 |
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| PetoKraus | arch is basically even simpler gentoo. Yes, you can't enable various use flags for your software, but when it breaks, you are reinstalled in almost no time | Oct 30 22:49 |
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| schestowitz | It's an educational thing. Pick your poison. But Mandriva is a sweet ride. | Oct 30 22:49 |
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| schestowitz | It hides the terminal from you. All very simply. | Oct 30 22:49 |
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| schestowitz | *simple | Oct 30 22:49 |
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| PetoKraus | i dunno | Oct 30 22:49 |
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| PetoKraus | i didn't like the KDE4 | Oct 30 22:49 |
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| PetoKraus | i mean... nothing new | Oct 30 22:49 |
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| MinceR | only try arch if you don't need documentation, ever; and won't need to downgrade, ever. | Oct 30 22:49 |
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| PetoKraus | it seems old. | Oct 30 22:49 |
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| schestowitz | OK, I keep finding fakers. | Oct 30 22:50 |
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| twitter | "FWIW, it's messy also with Mac OS and Windows (upgrades don't work well)" I don't know about Mac, but Windows upgrades are hell, second only to reinstall. Never, ever, again. | Oct 30 22:50 |
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| PetoKraus | schestowitz: fakers? | Oct 30 22:50 |
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| schestowitz | This guy who put me in his blogroll claims to have 130,000 readers, but the blog is PR3 and there's almost nothing happening there. Surely it's a fake. | Oct 30 22:50 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: some site want to market themselves as big, so they make up numbers | Oct 30 22:50 |
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| twitter | got to go for a while | Oct 30 22:50 |
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| schestowitz | I've seen that before. There's no law against it. | Oct 30 22:51 |
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| PetoKraus | it's just... with all that plasma stuff i expected something really bling-bling. and mandriva's KDE4 seems, well, nothing new, flashy... | Oct 30 22:51 |
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| schestowitz | Can't trust those numbers anymore. | Oct 30 22:51 |
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| schestowitz | *Crunch does that too, but maybe not a faker. I dunno anymore.. | Oct 30 22:51 |
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| PetoKraus | I liked the idea of gadgets on desktop, though, E has it for quite a long time, only thing is - you can't rotate them in fancy positions... | Oct 30 22:51 |
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| schestowitz | I ripped superkaramba. | Oct 30 22:52 |
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| schestowitz | All those widgets are a waste of space and resources. | Oct 30 22:52 |
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| schestowitz | You also need to expose them for these widgets to be useful. | Oct 30 22:52 |
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| schestowitz | I can attach better meters to panels | Oct 30 22:52 |
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| PetoKraus | well, that's what i am talking about.. In E, they are as resource-using, as, say, shelf | Oct 30 22:52 |
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| schestowitz | I think I must change my priorities soon. | Oct 30 22:53 |
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| PetoKraus | i expected something macbookish from kde4... | Oct 30 22:53 |
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| PetoKraus | i didn't find it :/ | Oct 30 22:53 |
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| schestowitz | I've been posting to USENET for years, but it's a lot of work. | Oct 30 22:53 |
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| twitter | http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news... | Oct 30 23:25 |
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| twitter | the worst is just starting. | Oct 30 23:25 |
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| twitter | decades of anti-competitive practice by the automakers just made their failure bigger and more painful | Oct 30 23:27 |
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| MinceR | gn | Oct 30 23:29 |
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| schestowitz | *GASP* | Oct 30 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | Bloody heck. That's a lot of families. | Oct 30 23:30 |
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