EditorsAbout the SiteComes vs. MicrosoftUsing This Web SiteSite ArchivesCredibility IndexOOXMLOpenDocumentPatentsNovellNews DigestSite NewsRSS

12.28.08

Is Novell Attacking OpenOffice.org Again?

Posted in Fork, Free/Libre Software, Microsoft, Novell, Office Suites, Open XML, OpenDocument, SUN at 5:52 pm by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

Reuse of old trash

Novell or its lackeys might be spreading old posts from months ago at this very moment. Why else would such old ‘news’ reach the front page of Slashdot and Digg despite being a repetition and a duplicate? The modified headline is “Michael Meeks Says OO.o Project is “Profoundly Sick”.” What a nice Christmas gift from Novell to the company which did much of the heavy lifting.

We mentioned this yesterday and we wrote about it at the time when it was first published. A couple of months later, wrote Anivar Aravind: “Novell was mainly promoting their fork of OpenOffice 3.0 (after they implemented notorious OOXML support & forked it after OOO3 moved to to LGPLv3)& SUSE in their stall. Most of the participants in the Conference were newbies and Novell is the only GNU/Linux distro widely promoted in the exhibition. Our protest is not targeted at Organizers or Novell. It was just a way to spread awareness on Novell’s evil trends through the posters to protect new users being misguided.”

One of our readers points out that “Meeks isn’t even an OOo developer. He’s be working on a hostile fork. The fork has been used to inject Microsoft technology and to attack Sun. It’s time to point out publicly again that Meeks is not an OOo developer.”

We’ll write some more about it later. Microsoft hopes to eliminate competition such as Java — via gradual weakening of Sun — because lacking competition means that they can set the rules. Internet Explorer and Netscape are good examples of such battles. It’s worth remembering that Novell promotes Microsoft technologies (it supports ActiveX, Windows Vista, Internet Explorer, .NET, and even XAML).

Novell seems to be spending an awful lot of time attacking Red Hat and Sun/OpenOffice.org rather than Windows and Microsoft Office, respectively. That’s the price to pay for allowing Novell to become a Microsoft ally.

Novell gets 'bribed'

Share this post: These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages.
  • Digg
  • del.icio.us
  • Reddit
  • co.mments
  • DZone
  • email
  • Google Bookmarks
  • LinkedIn
  • NewsVine
  • Print
  • Technorati
  • TwitThis
  • Facebook

If you liked this post, consider subscribing to the RSS feed or join us now at the IRC channels.

Pages that cross-reference this one

23 Comments

  1. AlexH said,

    December 28, 2008 at 6:29 pm

    Gravatar

    Perhaps it’s not reaching the front pages because the person submitting it is a “lackey” or somehow on the payroll. Perhaps people are genuinely concerned.

  2. Roy Schestowitz said,

    December 28, 2008 at 6:34 pm

    Gravatar

    This is old ‘news’ and it may take gaming to push it into the front pages (Digg are Slashdot are train wrecks because admins told me yesterday that they get gamed by Microsoft and agencies it employs).

  3. AlexH said,

    December 28, 2008 at 6:40 pm

    Gravatar

    With absolutely no evidence that Novell or any of their “lackeys” are doing it, it seems a bit premature to me to be accusing them of it.

    But then, I’m a bit of a stickler when it comes to calling people names.

  4. Roy Schestowitz said,

    December 28, 2008 at 6:46 pm

    Gravatar

    That’s why I wrote “might be”.

  5. AlexH said,

    December 28, 2008 at 6:48 pm

    Gravatar

    Prefacing an accusation, name call or insult with an uncertainty doesn’t make it ok. Generally people like to have at least inconclusive evidence.

  6. Roy Schestowitz said,

    December 28, 2008 at 7:00 pm

    Gravatar

    A friend of mine is having a look at it.

  7. AlexH said,

    December 28, 2008 at 7:03 pm

    Gravatar

    Guilty until we’re unable to find any evidence?

  8. Roy Schestowitz said,

    December 28, 2008 at 7:09 pm

    Gravatar

    No, “might be” guilty.

  9. AlexH said,

    December 28, 2008 at 7:14 pm

    Gravatar

    Oh, that’s ok then! Might be guilty until proven innocent, much better :D

  10. Roy Schestowitz said,

    December 28, 2008 at 7:28 pm

    Gravatar

    Novell’s marketing history does not inspire much confidence.

  11. G. Michaels said,

    December 28, 2008 at 8:23 pm

    Gravatar

    Digg are Slashdot are train wrecks because admins told me yesterday that they get gamed by Microsoft and agencies it employs

    Do you have proof of this? Which admins? Of which site?

    Believe me, if you provide actual proof of this, my perception of your activities will certainly change, no question about it.

    Until then though, you’re just playing the poor saps who read your website and are ready and willing to believe anything negative you say about Microsoft. Just a lot of arm-waiving, chest-thumping and hot air, as it were.

    Or is this one of those emails you “can’t disclose” for mysterious reasons?

    Note: writer of this comment adds absolutely nothing but stalking and personal attacks against readers, as documented here.

  12. Goblin said,

    December 28, 2008 at 9:17 pm

    Gravatar

    Quote Mr Michaels “Until then though, you’re just playing the poor saps who read your website and are ready and willing to believe anything negative you say about Microsoft. Just a lot of arm-waiving, chest-thumping and hot air, as it were.”

    I presume you are refering to me.
    Funny you never made a comment on Roys post about the Microsoft Shill allegations.

    For the record, My personal negativity about MS stems from the allegations of its online tactics, the binary slug of Vista and the muscling in and IMO bullying of anything it sees which supports healthy alternative idealogy.

    Mr Michaels I do not agree with everything Roy says, for example our views on Joe Wilcox differ, thats ok though. Unlike you we can discuss our differences in a mature manner without resorting to petty statements and internet stalking.

    Im sorry Roy, I know you say we shouldnt feed em, but I did want to make that clear to him.

  13. Dan O'Brian said,

    December 28, 2008 at 9:32 pm

    Gravatar

    Roy accuses people left and right of being Microsoft shills, but never has any sort of evidence to back it up.

    Even Shane Coyle, the guy that started this site, has pointed out that Roy’s “Microsoft shill” accusations are baseless and because of the embarrassment that Roy’s posts are, has decided to abandon this site so as to avoid having his name associated with it (have you noticed he took down his image on the front page?)

  14. G. Michaels said,

    December 28, 2008 at 9:45 pm

    Gravatar

    @Goblin,

    No, that wouldn’t be you. It’s clear that you’ve already made up your mind in this particular matter, and as long as that perception is based on solid, factual evidence and does not involve fantasies, then I certainly respect it.

    The “poor saps” are the demographic to which this website pontificates with lies, fabrications, chicken little predictions of doom based on nothing more than personal agendas and attention-grabbing disingenuous headlines and personal attacks. Not to mention the clever lolcat creations.

    Disliking or criticizing an entity like a corporation is each person’s prerogative. Making shit up about them however, and engaging in the same sort of tactics you accuse them of using against you are another matter altogether. That’s when you start doing more damage than good, I think.

    Note: writer of this comment adds absolutely nothing but stalking and personal attacks against readers, as documented here.

  15. Goblin said,

    December 28, 2008 at 9:56 pm

    Gravatar

    Quote Mr Michaels “Disliking or criticizing an entity like a corporation is each person’s prerogative. Making shit up about them however, and engaging in the same sort of tactics you accuse them of using against you are another matter altogether. That’s when you start doing more damage than good, I think”

    and Id entirely agree with you. Roy doesnt do that though. As Ive said before I believe myself a decent judge of character, on IRC once I used the term Anti-MS and Roy challenged it (and rightfully so) I dont believe there is any other motive than an honest held belief on behalf on Roy.

    I couldnt comment on why/if Shane left, I dont know and I hadnt noticed he had gone.

    Mr Michaels, if youre able Id like you to go over to MSwatch and see examples of people who insult, belittle and bring into question my sexuality simply because I have a different viewpoint. Id like you to see the poster who appears homophobic, and the poster who claims Im sexist, merely because I want to put a freedom of choice message over.

    Roy has knowledge of the inner workings of business way in advance of my own. I simply support the “freedom of choice” cause in my own little way by challenging inappropriate behaviour and downright false information.

  16. G. Michaels said,

    December 28, 2008 at 11:34 pm

    Gravatar

    Roy doesnt do that though. As Ive said before I believe myself a decent judge of character, on IRC once I used the term Anti-MS and Roy challenged it (and rightfully so)

    That’s because it’s detrimental to his “SLOG”, but that’s what he is. Notice the name of this website, and then tell me that the weekly post about the MSFT stock price is not simply “anti-MS”. And a hundred other examples.

    I couldnt comment on why/if Shane left, I dont know and I hadnt noticed he had gone.

    I don’t think you understand the significance of that. Shane registered the domain, he hosts the site on his dime, he invited Roy to post here. And then it was turned into a circus, because Roy can’t help himself.

    Mr Michaels, if youre able Id like you to go over to MSwatch and see examples of people who insult, belittle and bring into question my sexuality simply because I have a different viewpoint.

    I don’t doubt that. There are idiots on both sides of the fence. I saw that during the early .NET-Java wars in 2000-2003.

    Roy has knowledge of the inner workings of business way in advance of my own.

    No, he doesn’t. Roy is a kid in his mid-20s who has never had a meaningful job in IT, anywhere. Now that’s not a requirement to being a FOSS advocate, but when you get into why companies are allegedly dumping Novell because of a deal with Microsoft, you’re just putting yourself between a rock and a hard place. That’s just one of his problems.

    I simply support the “freedom of choice” cause in my own little way by challenging inappropriate behaviour and downright false information.

    If that’s the case, again, based on reality and facts, then more power to you. It’s not like Microsoft is some angelical entity that has never done any wrong.

    (OT, when Roy fires up WP to append his silly red text to this post, I’d like for him to read this post he made to Digg, which adds absolutely nothing but stalking and personal attacks against people, on another website. Hypocrisy is fantastic!)

    Note: writer of this comment adds absolutely nothing but stalking and personal attacks against readers, as documented here.

  17. Goblin said,

    December 29, 2008 at 6:46 am

    Gravatar

    Quote Mr Michaels “…. the name of this website, and then tell me that the weekly post about the MSFT stock price is not simply “anti-MS”. ”

    But thats hardly on the same par as some of the tactics MS is alleged to have used. Its not like he’s making up the stock price or anything. We can all find up to the minute news on MS price if we want to.

    Quote Mr Michaels “No, he doesn’t. Roy is a kid in his mid-20s who has never had a meaningful job in IT, anywhere. Now that’s not a requirement to being a FOSS advocate, but when you get into why companies are allegedly dumping Novell because of a deal with Microsoft, you’re just putting yourself between a rock and a hard place. That’s just one of his problems.”

    If that was true then wouldnt the Linux press in general distance themselves from him? Wouldnt he just be known as a “mainstream joke”? What I see is many other sites holding Roy in high regard.
    I see other sites giving time to mention his work. When I met Roy on IRC, I didnt find him to be anything other than friendly and informed. I should not really be posting about him, as he is a modest individual, but it does get me cross when Roy is insulted merely for putting alot of work into something for which he has an honest held belief.

    Regardless of peoples opinions (and we all differ) the Boycott Novell site is certainly “food for thought” and interesting. Ive certainly been enlightened on certain subjects and understood a little more in regards to the inner working of business and in particular the IT industry.

  18. stevetheFLY said,

    December 29, 2008 at 7:18 am

    Gravatar

    Roy ‘in high regard’? Nobody with a name in FOSS would touch him with a six-inch-pole!

    He really is the craziest of all the tinfoil-hatters out there; that’s why not even his former associate wants Roy’s name next to his own anymore.

    Note: comment has been flagged for arriving from an incarnation of a known (eet), pseudonymous, forever-nymshifting, abusive Internet troll that posts from open proxies and relays around the world.

  19. stevetheFLY said,

    December 29, 2008 at 7:20 am

    Gravatar

    BTW, search his archives a bit and you’ll find he accuses the GNOME project of following Microsoft’s directions and personally accused/abused high-ranking board-members of corruption! Now, that’s the kind of person you don’t want to be associated with FOSS!

    Note: comment has been flagged for arriving from an incarnation of a known (eet), pseudonymous, forever-nymshifting, abusive Internet troll that posts from open proxies and relays around the world.

  20. Roy Schestowitz said,

    December 29, 2008 at 9:08 am

    Gravatar

    Hey, “eet”. Are you somehow associated with Novell? You have been attacking Novell critics across the Web for a very long time, and not just in here.

  21. Victor Soliz said,

    December 29, 2008 at 11:59 am

    Gravatar

    Aw eet and dan, if those things you say were true, wouldn’t you quite be losing all your dignity with these posts that are so insistent to attack a guy that according to you has already no credibility? Why do you waste your life like this?

  22. Goblin said,

    December 29, 2008 at 12:24 pm

    Gravatar

    Good point Victor. The only people who believe the rubbish that users like stevethefly spout are themselves.

    If as some say Roy is not respected, then this site would not get the hits it does nor would people feel the need to post and insult him. That in itself is a compliment and shows that the message Roy puts out has people worried and is hitting on some home truths.

  23. Roy Schestowitz said,

    December 29, 2008 at 12:32 pm

    Gravatar

    The hecklers do their own embarrassment, but they can’t help it. They should know that the best way to fight information is to ignore it. SCO found this out the hard way when it began turning its back on Groklaw several years ago.

    A reader mailed me this some minutes ago:

    “I was amused to see G. Michaels’ post where he gloatingly points out a post you made to Digg which consists of a couple of URLs pointing back to BN. The subject is Rob Enderle and he thought he was making a point that you are stalking someone. I didn’t see how that link supports his argument. In fact, it’s an “own goal” in that it actually reinforces the point you make that there are shills out there. &ltsarcasm>Maybe you don’t need any supporters with “enemies” like that.&lt/sarcasm>”

    Message to “eet” et al: you’ll do yourself a favour by just leaving Web sites that you hate. The Internet is a big place, and it keeps growing.

What Else is New


  1. The EPO Is More Corrupt Under Battistelli Than Under Alison Brimelow: Part VIII

    After Brimelow, with all her flaws and her scandals, an even worse President is installed who then abolishes oversight and seemingly brings his old friends to the EPO, creating a sort of subculture that is impenetrable to outsiders



  2. Claiming That Microsoft 'Loves' Linux While Windows Update Bricks Devices With Linux

    The sheer absurdity of claims that Microsoft -- which not only attacks those who distribute Linux and GNU but also blackmails them, takes them to court, or bricks their products without any liability -- 'loves' Linux



  3. Protectionist Reign: Corporations in Complete Control of Everything With Domination Over Patent Law

    How multinational corporations, joined by the corporate press that they are funding, promote a corporations- but not people-friendly patent policy in north America



  4. Links 30/10/2014: GNOME 3.15.1, Red Hat Software Collections 1.2

    Links for the day



  5. Links 29/10/2014: Ubuntu Touch Tablet, Puppy Linux 6.0

    Links for the day



  6. Links 28/10/2014: SUSE Linux Enterprise 12, Canonical OpenStack Distro

    Links for the day



  7. Links 28/10/2014: PiFxOS, The Document Foundation in OSBA

    Links for the day



  8. Microsoft is Bricking Devices With Linux (Yet Again!), So a Microsoft Booster Spins/Paints Linux Devices as 'Fakes'

    Microsoft delivers rogue drivers through Windows Update and they brick Arduino microcontrollers



  9. How Bill Gates Continues to Pass Wealth From the Public to His Own Bank Account

    Having put a universal tax on many things (not just computers) and evaded tax using the classic 'charity' trick, Gates is now buying the media, the schools, politicians etc. and earns as much as 10 billion dollars per year while the public is taught that Gates is a giver, not a hoarder of the worst kind



  10. Links 27/10/2014: Lenovo Unbundling, Linux 3.18 RC2

    Links for the day



  11. IRC Proceedings: September 14th, 2014 – October 25th, 2014

    Many IRC logs



  12. Links 25/10/2014: KDE Mockups, Update on GNOME Outreach Program for Women

    Links for the day



  13. After Infecting Unity -- Successfully -- Microsoft's Partner Xamarin Wants to Infect Unreal Engine With .NET

    Xamarin continues to spread dependence on Microsoft to more gaming frameworks, not just platforms such as GNU/Linux, Android, and even permanent-state devices



  14. Taking Microsoft Windows Off the Grid for Damage to Businesses, the Internet, and Banking Systems

    Microsoft's insecure-by-design software is causing massive damages ([cref 27802 possibly trillions] of [cref 13992 dollars in damages to date]) and yet the corporate press does not ask the right questions, let alone suggest a ban on Microsoft software



  15. City of Berlin Does Not Abandon Free Software, It's Only Tax Authorities

    A Softpedia report that says the City of Berlin is moving to Microsoft Office is flawed and may be based on a poor translation



  16. Nadella a Liar in Chief at Microsoft, Pretending That His Anti-Competitive Practices Are Unfortunately Imposed on Microsoft

    The nastiness of Microsoft knows no bounds as even its assault on GNU/Linux and dirty tricks against Free software adoption are characterised as the fault of 'pirates'



  17. Reuters Writes About the Demise of Software Patents, But Focuses on 'Trolls' and Quotes Lawyers

    How the corporate media chooses to cover the invalidity of many software patents and the effect of that



  18. Links 24/10/2014: Microsoft Tax Axed in Italy, Google's Linux (ChromeOS/Android) Leader Promoted

    Links for the day



  19. Links 24/10/2014: GNU/Linux History, Fedora Delay

    Links for the day



  20. Links 23/10/2014: New *buntu, Benchmarks

    Links for the day



  21. Links 22/10/2014: Chromebooks Surge, NSA Android Endorsement

    Links for the day



  22. Links 21/10/2014: Debian Fork Debate, New GNU IceCat

    Links for the day



  23. Criminal Microsoft is Censoring the Web and Breaks Laws to Do So; the Web Should Censor (Remove) Microsoft

    Microsoft is still breaking the Internet using completely bogus takedown requests (an abuse of DMCA) and why Microsoft Windows, which contains weaponised back doors (shared with the NSA), should be banned from the Internet, not just from the Web



  24. Microsoft 'Loving' GNU/Linux and Other Corporate Media Fiction

    Microsoft has bullied or cleverly bribed enough technology-centric media sites to have them characterise Microsoft as a friend of Free/Open Source software (FOSS) that also "loves Linux"



  25. India May be Taking Bill Gates to Court for Misusing His So-called 'Charity' to Conduct Clinical Trials Without Consent on Behalf of Companies He Invests in

    Bill Gates may finally be pulled into the courtroom again, having been identified for large-scale abuses that he commits in the name of profit (not "charity")



  26. The Problems With Legal Workarounds, Patent Scope, and Expansion of Patent Trolls to the East

    Patent trolls are in the news again and it's rather important, albeit for various different reasons, more relevant than the ones covered here in the past



  27. Links 20/10/2014: Cloudera and Red Hat, Debian 7.7, and Vivid Vervet

    Links for the day



  28. Links 20/10/2014: 10 Years Since First Ubuntu Release

    Links for the day



  29. How Patent Lawyers Analyze Alice v. CLS Bank

    Breaking down a patent lawyer's analysis of a Supreme Court's decision that seemingly invalidated hundreds of thousands of software patents



  30. Is It Google's Turn to Head the USPTO Corporation?

    The industry-led USPTO continues to be coordinated by some of its biggest clients, despite issues associated with conflicting interests


CoPilotCo

RSS 64x64RSS Feed: subscribe to the RSS feed for regular updates

Home iconSite Wiki: You can improve this site by helping the extension of the site's content

Home iconSite Home: Background about the site and some key features in the front page

Chat iconIRC Channel: Come and chat with us in real time

CoPilotCo

Recent Posts