01.03.09

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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: January 2nd, 2009 – Part 1

Posted in IRC Logs at 4:14 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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NeonFloss	stealinh other peoples articles?	Jan 02 00:05
schestowitz	Who?	Jan 02 00:06
NeonFloss	nvm	Jan 02 00:07
schestowitz	What’s that?	Jan 02 00:07
NeonFloss	http://www.blogpirate.org/2008/12/31/leaked-windo…	Jan 02 00:07
NeonFloss	read comments	Jan 02 00:07
*schestowitz looks		Jan 02 00:07
NeonFloss	is that meant to be copy word for word or just the idea?	Jan 02 00:08
schestowitz	I’m not following.	Jan 02 00:08
schestowitz	This is a trackback from us from IRC (yesterday)	Jan 02 00:08
NeonFloss	sorry bout that	Jan 02 00:09
NeonFloss	I am really sorry	Jan 02 00:09
NeonFloss	im not so good with english	Jan 02 00:09
schestowitz	What do you mean by “stealking”?	Jan 02 00:09
schestowitz	*stealing, oops	Jan 02 00:09
NeonFloss	lol	Jan 02 00:09
NeonFloss	im sorry	Jan 02 00:09
NeonFloss	wrong channel heh	Jan 02 00:09
schestowitz	OK, np	Jan 02 00:09
schestowitz	Heh.	Jan 02 00:09
schestowitz	Was that post a stolen one?	Jan 02 00:09
NeonFloss	thats wack	Jan 02 00:10
schestowitz		Jan 02 00:10
schestowitz	I saw some other posts about Vista7 holes.	Jan 02 00:10
NeonFloss	I read the bottom comment and accidently assoiciated with top one	Jan 02 00:10
NeonFloss	I deeply apologize	Jan 02 00:10
schestowitz	No, one of our reader/contribs ( trmanco ) linked to it here.	Jan 02 00:10
schestowitz	No problem.	Jan 02 00:10
schestowitz	What is the original?	Jan 02 00:10
schestowitz	Let me know so that I can change the linkl	Jan 02 00:10
schestowitz	*links	Jan 02 00:11
NeonFloss	I dont follow	Jan 02 00:11
schestowitz	I linked to it here: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/…	Jan 02 00:11
NeonFloss	thats fine	Jan 02 00:11
NeonFloss	I dont know	Jan 02 00:11
NeonFloss	im confused	Jan 02 00:11
NeonFloss	no problem	Jan 02 00:11
NeonFloss	pretend I never came here	Jan 02 00:11
NeonFloss	heh heh	Jan 02 00:12
NeonFloss	I mixed up that comment with another one	Jan 02 00:12
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schestowitz	Via Tor..	Jan 02 00:14
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Axz	lol schestowitz ignore him	Jan 02 00:19
Axz	nice job on the article mate	Jan 02 00:19
schestowitz	Thankls.	Jan 02 00:19
schestowitz	I’m watching this interesting talk. The US hopes to make India a “client state” of the US to keep it away from the rising Asian revolution. Same as some other countries..	Jan 02 00:40
MinceR	gn	Jan 02 01:01
tessier_	Client state?	Jan 02 01:07
tessier_	What rising Asian revolution?	Jan 02 01:07
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schestowitz	tessier: Asia (mostly China) is likely to inherit wealth and become a superpower bigger than the US	Jan 02 07:38
tessier	Possibly. I would think they would have to really clean up their act to have real success.	Jan 02 07:38
tessier	The average person in China is still dirt poor making $2/day.	Jan 02 07:38
tessier	They have a very long way to go.	Jan 02 07:38
schestowitz	Yes, I know.	Jan 02 07:38
schestowitz	I’m not defending it.	Jan 02 07:38
tessier	But yes, they could someday exceed the US.	Jan 02 07:39
schestowitz	Romans… British… American… China..	Jan 02 07:39
tessier	It would be quite sad if the people of the next superpower did not have freedom.	Jan 02 07:39
schestowitz	They never did under the US either, but it was better	Jan 02 07:43
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Omar87	Hi everyone.	Jan 02 08:38
Omar87	schestowitz: Do you suggest I go to china when I’m done with college?	Jan 02 08:39
Omar87	schestowitz: Since, ya know, china is becoming one of the greatest nations in terms of technology and stufF?	Jan 02 08:39
Omar87	stuff*	Jan 02 08:39
schestowitz	Hey	Jan 02 08:51
schestowitz	China does to humans what a commodity/generics do to drugs.	Jan 02 08:52
schestowitz	They devalue human labour or thought	Jan 02 08:52
tessier	http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-paci…	Jan 02 09:01
schestowitz	Thanks, interesting.	Jan 02 09:10
schestowitz	Foxxcon just fired 100,000	Jan 02 09:10
schestowitz	MadTux Closes Its Doors < http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2009/01/madtux-… > “We regret to inform you that economic conditions have forced us to close our doors after eight years in business.”	Jan 02 09:47
tessier	http://www.target.com/gp/search/183-66…	Jan 02 10:19
tessier	Neato. Target sells pre-installed Linux computers	Jan 02 10:19
tessier	Wow, and the Target store just up the road from me has them in stock. Cool.	Jan 02 10:20
tessier	Target has a nice website.	Jan 02 10:20
schestowitz	I think they have sold these for a while.	Jan 02 10:22
tessier	Yes, they have. Months at least.	Jan 02 10:22
tessier	I bought mine over a year ago although that was from newegg.	Jan 02 10:22
tessier	Caitlyn Martin (author of that piece) negates some FUD in the comments.	Jan 02 10:22
tessier	@Linux Home User: The 4:1 return rate came from a statement by an MSI exec before they had sold even one netbook with Linux. Meanwhile Asus claims that there is NO higher return rate on Linux netbooks and they are the number one vendor. The 9:1 sales figure you got from our dear friends (cough) at IT Wire actually only applies to the Acer Aspire One and Acer only offers one model at the low end with Linux and makes no effort to get that	Jan 02 10:22
tessier	model into stores. According to Asus CEO Jerry Chen their figure is 6:4, which means 40% are Linux. The overall industry figure is 7:3. So, your wonderful piece of FUD is totally inaccurate. The Linux desktop is doing just fine in the marketplace, thankyouverymuch.	Jan 02 10:22
tessier	Nicely done.	Jan 02 10:23
schestowitz	The anti-Linux crowd links to the ITWire stuff	Jan 02 10:23
schestowitz	ASUS is “closely tied up with Microsoft,” it says	Jan 02 10:24
schestowitz	But ITWire has its share of troll writers either way	Jan 02 10:24
*schestowitz does some reading on back doors… also Palladium… Trusted Computing… Intel’s back door in hardware are suspected by Shamir who is a guru in this area; never mind back doors in encryption algos (that would be Schneier). These issues will come up more in the future when Linux gets snooped on too.		Jan 02 10:24
schestowitz	Mainstream media should cover this stuff too	Jan 02 10:24
schestowitz	I’m also researching some Novell dark secrets (post will come soon). It’s a very interesting area to explore, namely the convergence of Free software and closed embedded components. The OpenBSD folks and the FSF still argue over things like firmware (does it quality of a blob?). You can achieve so much that way and the pursuit that follows FOSS is one that pertains to circuits. CAD files and ‘open-source’ thingies like Chumby aren’	Jan 02 10:25
schestowitz	t enough.	Jan 02 10:25
Axz	Microsoft is losing his power in software when it comes to costumers security	Jan 02 10:29
schestowitz	Yes. “Our products just aren’t engineered for security.” http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml…	Jan 02 10:30
Axz	Hehe yeah nice find	Jan 02 10:32
Axz	Also trust in usage of Windows is critical, every time i speak to random people on IRc they ask me whats best linux distro to install	Jan 02 10:33
tessier	“Our products just aren’t engineered for security.” – Brian Valentine at the	Jan 02 10:35
tessier	Windows .Net Server developer conference Sep 2002.	Jan 02 10:35
*tessier adds it to his quotes file		Jan 02 10:35
schestowitz	Good	Jan 02 10:35
schestowitz	I was only shown this 2 months ago, maybe less	Jan 02 10:35
tessier	hmm…that reminds me, I need to move all of my quote database to my new website.	Jan 02 10:35
schestowitz	Which is important	Jan 02 10:35
schestowitz	Mind the date	Jan 02 10:35
schestowitz	Later on, Microsoft brought up a different pitch	Jan 02 10:35
schestowitz	“All operating systems are not secure”	Jan 02 10:36
schestowitz	That was the new ‘party line’	Jan 02 10:36
schestowitz	But it’s a fake	Jan 02 10:36
Axz	hehe but as i make article about last piracy takedown on the Microsoft’s statement says below: Founded in 1975, Microsoft (Nasdaq “MSFT”) is the worldwide leader in software, services and solutions that help people and businesses realize their full potential.	Jan 02 10:36
Axz	i mean they really need to delete this… because its trash	Jan 02 10:37
schestowitz	Let me find somehting	Jan 02 10:38
tessier	I wish there was some conclusive way to prove that it is the architecture and design methodology of Linux and not just that “nobody uses Linux so the crackers don’t care” which explains why Linux has fewer problems.	Jan 02 10:38
Axz	first they are not anymore worldwide leading few other company’s are, second, solution to what? since Xp they dind make any solution in software only help exploit develope faster	Jan 02 10:38
schestowitz	http://www.mixx.com/users/cyberphoenix “Founded in 1975, Microsoft is the worldwide leader in bribery, extortion, blackmail and customer abuse.”	Jan 02 10:38
Axz	lol	Jan 02 10:39
Axz	nice one	Jan 02 10:39
tessier	“Founded in 1975 Microsoft is the worldwide leader in fucking you out of your money.”	Jan 02 10:39
schestowitz	tessier: tell people about how many Linux servers exist on the Web	Jan 02 10:39
schestowitz	Linux is VERY widespread.	Jan 02 10:39
tessier	They don’t believe it because they can’t see it.	Jan 02 10:39
Axz	yeah	Jan 02 10:39
schestowitz	desktop != computer	Jan 02 10:39
tessier	Desktops are all the average person knows.	Jan 02 10:39
schestowitz	>“Forty percent of servers run Windows, 60 percent run Linux…” –Steve Ballmer (September 2008)	Jan 02 10:39
Axz	I’m proud linux users since i had my first PC thanks to my dad	Jan 02 10:40
tessier	And how many servers are there out there?	Jan 02 10:40
tessier	He must know because he knows that 60% of them run Linux, right?	Jan 02 10:40
schestowitz	I don’t know.	Jan 02 10:40
schestowitz	Microsoft has intelligence.	Jan 02 10:40
schestowitz	They also collect a list of ALL applications installed on ALL Windows boxes	Jan 02 10:40
schestowitz	These are sent periodically and they are allowed to do this (watch the EULA)	Jan 02 10:40
schestowitz	Vista takes this intrusion several steps further.	Jan 02 10:41
schestowitz	It’s a rather diabolic version	Jan 02 10:41
Axz	Here is very simple statics for that http://uptime.netcraft.com/perf/r…	Jan 02 10:41
Axz	is it me or there is lots of Linux/Unix around there :p	Jan 02 10:41
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schestowitz	Hey, oiaohm1	Jan 02 10:48
schestowitz	Axz: especially embedded	Jan 02 10:48
schestowitz	In the embedded space, Linux is schooling Microsoft, whose dumping of cheap Windows hardly saved it.	Jan 02 10:48
schestowitz	The press hardly covers this very important fact; there are tens of billions devices made; many run Linux.	Jan 02 10:49
oiaohm1	Problem for Microsoft there is a bottom value then can sell for before they lose money	Jan 02 10:49
oiaohm1	Patents and paying Novell.	Jan 02 10:50
oiaohm1	Linux only controls about 40 percent of the embedded market.	Jan 02 10:53
oiaohm1	Major limitation is lack of rtos status.	Jan 02 10:53
tessier	RTOS isn’t at all important for most of what most people consider the “embedded” market these days.	Jan 02 10:54
tessier	The definition of embedded has changed, for better or worse.	Jan 02 10:54
tessier	It is better for Linux this way. The things that require RTOS do not have much customer visibility anyway.	Jan 02 10:54
schestowitz	oiaohm1: yes, about 40%	Jan 02 10:54
tessier	But cell phones and GPS navigation devices and home cablemodem routers and DVR’s etc are in peoples faces all the time.	Jan 02 10:55
schestowitz	RTOS is improving too	Jan 02 10:55
schestowitz	They got this capability improves in 2.6.27 IIRC	Jan 02 10:55
schestowitz	I have the references at hand.	Jan 02 10:55
oiaohm1	tessier is cost of parts. RTOS kernel can make some devices cheeper.	Jan 02 10:55
schestowitz	RTOS giants like Wind River move to Linux also	Jan 02 10:56
oiaohm1	Skipping handling chips for stuff and using the OS it self.	Jan 02 10:56
schestowitz	They use the proprietary parts for added value	Jan 02 10:56
schestowitz	Same with LynuxWorks, which has some Linux distro whose name I can’t recall	Jan 02 10:56
schestowitz	Something like Lynx or puma	Jan 02 10:56
oiaohm1	40 to 50 percent in the embed market is about as far as you can go without good rtos support.	Jan 02 10:57
schestowitz	Something from the family of cats	Jan 02 10:57
oiaohm1	What is still way better than what MS holds in the embeded market what is a basicaly 0	Jan 02 10:58
oiaohm1	Just looked LynuxWorks up its BlueCat Linux	Jan 02 10:59
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oiaohm	Just got to a more sane client.	Jan 02 11:01
schestowitz	BleuCat!	Jan 02 11:02
schestowitz	Yes, that’s the one.	Jan 02 11:02
tessier	sacre-bleu!	Jan 02 11:03
schestowitz	They always have fallbacks these RTOS brands that are known	Jan 02 11:03
schestowitz	Microsoft renamed its embedded space contender	Jan 02 11:03
tessier	What are some good Linux news rss feeds? I’ve got /. and lwn…	Jan 02 11:03
schestowitz	But changing names ain’t a winning strategy	Jan 02 11:03
tessier	Wasn’t WinCE their “embedded” OS?	Jan 02 11:03
schestowitz	It also offered the thing for just $3 back in 2004 (IIRC)	Jan 02 11:03
schestowitz	tessier: /., with all due respect, is filled with ads as ‘news’	Jan 02 11:04
tessier	linuxtoday.com…	Jan 02 11:04
schestowitz	I dropped it after years or reading	Jan 02 11:04
tessier	Yeah, but the Linux only section isn’t too bad.	Jan 02 11:04
schestowitz	TuxMachines.	Jan 02 11:04
schestowitz	Hands down.	Jan 02 11:04
oiaohm	lynxos is lynuxworks other OS that has a Linux compadiblity layour like BSD. 2 gb memory limit on it.	Jan 02 11:04
schestowitz	I put a list here: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/12/a…	Jan 02 11:04
schestowitz	* TechDirt	Jan 02 11:04
schestowitz	* TuxMachines	Jan 02 11:04
schestowitz	* Heise	Jan 02 11:04
schestowitz	* LinuxDevices	Jan 02 11:04
schestowitz	* Phoronix	Jan 02 11:04
schestowitz	* Royal HeHe2-ness	Jan 02 11:04
schestowitz	* Roberto Galoppini	Jan 02 11:04
tessier	Cool! Thanks!	Jan 02 11:05
schestowitz	These are the ones I trust	Jan 02 11:05
schestowitz	No money on the table and all…	Jan 02 11:05
oiaohm	Windows CE kernel functionally suxed.	Jan 02 11:05
schestowitz	They de-emphasize it now.	Jan 02 11:06
schestowitz	It lost the margins war	Jan 02 11:06
oiaohm	What happens when you try to cut back a OS to make a embed OS get a dog.	Jan 02 11:06
schestowitz	Windows is now losing this war too	Jan 02 11:06
schestowitz	Sub-notebooks being a major cause	Jan 02 11:06
schestowitz	I don’t know about servers, though.	Jan 02 11:06
oiaohm	Thing people forget Windows NT was at first designed for Real time work.	Jan 02 11:06
schestowitz	Office is getting cheap (less than GBP 100 over here, if one gets a discount)	Jan 02 11:06
oiaohm	Then some idiot put a non real time spinlock system in it.	Jan 02 11:06
schestowitz	Windows Mobile is dying	Jan 02 11:07
schestowitz	[say Microsoft fans]	Jan 02 11:07
oiaohm	Really Windows NT working as it was designed at first would be a threat.	Jan 02 11:07
schestowitz	It’s antiquated and it tried hard to use the ‘familiar’ Windows UI where it does not fit well.	Jan 02 11:07
schestowitz	Windows NT = “better UNIX than UNIX”? Really?	Jan 02 11:08
tessier	“I’m Linux. I mean, Linus. I keep typing that wrong.” haha	Jan 02 11:08
oiaohm	Windows NT built as per it design.	Jan 02 11:08
schestowitz	2 days ago: http://blog.hydrasystemsllc.com/2008/12/31…	Jan 02 11:08
oiaohm	Not the windows NT you know.	Jan 02 11:08
schestowitz	tessier: there is a baby in Sweden called “Linux”	Jan 02 11:08
schestowitz	http://www.linux.com/feature/149992	Jan 02 11:09
tessier	Poor kid.	Jan 02 11:09
schestowitz	Comment: “My daughter is named Benedikte (after Linus Benedict Torvalds) – the closest I could get with a daughter – Linux/Linus are typical boys names. Benedikte was born in May 1998.”	Jan 02 11:09
oiaohm	NT has all the parts to be a true real time kernel including ques on IO access so they could be prempted. Completely stuffed by putting a normal not premptable spinlock systme in.	Jan 02 11:09
oiaohm	Stuff Linux is trying to do now to become realtime was in the NT design from the start.	Jan 02 11:10
oiaohm	Microsoft history is sad stack of short cuts and lack of quality control.	Jan 02 11:11
schestowitz	If you can’t make it good, at least make it look good.” — BillG	Jan 02 11:12
oiaohm	Also the other Idea that stuffs Microsoft up is that all markets need there own OS.	Jan 02 11:13
oiaohm	So instead of fixing up the NT kernel for phones and embeded devices they created windows moblie and windows ce.	Jan 02 11:13
oiaohm	Can microsoft have a logic shift in time and save self maybe.	Jan 02 11:14
oiaohm	But I don’t give them good odd.	Jan 02 11:15
oiaohm	One of the sneekest exclusionary deals done a creative way. Is Microsofts support for closed spec on hardware.	Jan 02 11:16
oiaohm	No hardware specs no one able to built competting OS’s.	Jan 02 11:16
oiaohm	Over time lots of people think its normal. When before microsoft doing it. The normal was open spec why the IBM XT machine was so cloneable.	Jan 02 11:17
schestowitz	Their priorities changed.	Jan 02 11:19
schestowitz	I doubt they go after embedded now.	Jan 02 11:19
oiaohm	They still are in a different way.	Jan 02 11:19
schestowitz	That’s the impression I got around June (ish) when there was a brouhaha about it.	Jan 02 11:19
trmanco	they are going after sub-netbooks	Jan 02 11:19
oiaohm	Did you read that pay as you go patent.	Jan 02 11:19
schestowitz	As for Windows Mobile, now they have Zune and they spend /HUGE/ amounts of money on some separate stuff	Jan 02 11:19
schestowitz	” Danger” (the company) acquisition..	Jan 02 11:20
schestowitz	There was also a company with an Asian names (IIRC) that does browser zooming for mobile	Jan 02 11:20
schestowitz	They replicate effort	Jan 02 11:20
schestowitz	iPhone and even Android make them shy of the competition	Jan 02 11:20
schestowitz	trmanco: would that be sub-sub-notebooks?	Jan 02 11:21
oiaohm	http://news.netcraft.com/SSL-survey << Remember netcraft is microsoft.	Jan 02 11:21
schestowitz	oiaohm: pay as you play = desparation	Jan 02 11:21
trmanco		Jan 02 11:21
schestowitz	This is not news	Jan 02 11:21
schestowitz	Mary Jo Foley, like myself, knows that this is years old	Jan 02 11:21
schestowitz	The patents also	Jan 02 11:21
schestowitz	I knew about this patent over a year ago	Jan 02 11:22
schestowitz	They experimented, but I doubt it was economical successs.	Jan 02 11:22
oiaohm	Just like MS attacking china pirate who was there partner.	Jan 02 11:22
schestowitz	They can’t figure out how to monetise Windows	Jan 02 11:22
oiaohm	Microsoft is getting desparation.	Jan 02 11:22
schestowitz	In most of the world, Windows is ‘free’	Jan 02 11:22
schestowitz	If they charge for it, they lose more market to Linux	Jan 02 11:22
trmanco	why have an OS on a netbook that eats up half your ram with no security, when you can get a netbook that consumes 300 and has all the security thing bundled?	Jan 02 11:22
schestowitz	Brazil and China are big example. India too to an extent.	Jan 02 11:22
oiaohm	For along time MS has depended on ssl numbers to sell there servers.	Jan 02 11:23
schestowitz	*Examples	Jan 02 11:23
schestowitz	China used Red Flag as a threat or bargaining card	Jan 02 11:23
schestowitz	Then Gates flew over (maybe just metaphorically) to negotiate ‘free’ Windows	Jan 02 11:23
oiaohm	China using Red Flag as a sledge hammer.	Jan 02 11:23
schestowitz	Now the Chinese are forcing some shops to move to ‘licensed’ Linux (probably with back doors)	Jan 02 11:23
oiaohm	MS threatens China nukes that market with Red Flag	Jan 02 11:24
schestowitz	trmanco: they try to change specs of sub-notebooks	Jan 02 11:24
schestowitz	If they can stop the low-end $199 sub-notebooks, they harm Linux	Jan 02 11:24
oiaohm	Worse China forces removal of windows completely from markets MS complains about.	Jan 02 11:25
schestowitz	But Linux won’t go away. They can’t choke it like they did with Palm or Netscape	Jan 02 11:25
oiaohm	Even if the machine has a legal windows copy.	Jan 02 11:25
schestowitz	China’s military moves to Linux too, IIRC	Jan 02 11:25
schestowitz	They want to keys to the back doors	Jan 02 11:25
oiaohm	They did not kill netscape completely.	Jan 02 11:25
oiaohm	Firefox still live and kicking quite well.	Jan 02 11:25
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schestowitz	Windows = FBI/CIA/NSA have the key, maybe sharing it with China after negitation	Jan 02 11:25
trmanco	new microfoot (R) netbook specs: 8 GB ram, some Intel quad core/AMD opetron, a truck battery, 50 000 rpm hard drive with 500 GB of disk space	Jan 02 11:26
schestowitz	China wants to be the only one with source code and key (they give Linux as binaries)	Jan 02 11:26
schestowitz	oiaohm: yes, because Netscape embraced open source	Jan 02 11:26
schestowitz	Gecko and all..	Jan 02 11:26
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schestowitz	That’s why Microosft is afraid of these licences that spread.	Jan 02 11:26
oiaohm	Netscape kicked off large section of commerical open source.	Jan 02 11:27
schestowitz	They try to bury one company liek Linspire, but all the code is resurrected elsewhere.	Jan 02 11:27
schestowitz	They want one throat to choke — Novell.	Jan 02 11:27
oiaohm	Netscape might to be here any more but the effect they started most likely win in the end.	Jan 02 11:27
oiaohm	Novell is a vampire	Jan 02 11:27
schestowitz	No, a trap	Jan 02 11:28
oiaohm	Always has been.	Jan 02 11:28
schestowitz	It’s entrapping users under Microsoft’s TERMS	Jan 02 11:28
oiaohm	How many companies that have been Novell partners in crime that are still alive today.	Jan 02 11:28
schestowitz	Examples?	Jan 02 11:28
oiaohm	SCO and Microsoft are the only 2 left.	Jan 02 11:29
schestowitz	WordPerfect?	Jan 02 11:29
oiaohm	And SCO is almost dead.	Jan 02 11:29
oiaohm	From Novells actions.	Jan 02 11:29
schestowitz	They loved Ransom.	Jan 02 11:29
oiaohm	Novell never would have entered the deal with Microsoft without a plan to destroy them.	Jan 02 11:30
oiaohm	So Novell game would be that we would be slaves to Novell not Microsoft.	Jan 02 11:30
oiaohm	History of Novell that has never changed.	Jan 02 11:31
schestowitz	Novell’s POV is different	Jan 02 11:31
schestowitz	It’s about being a friend of the Bully	Jan 02 11:31
schestowitz	Like Citrix	Jan 02 11:31
schestowitz	The ‘bad guys’ are Red Hat, UNIX, Ubuntu, even Apple and Google.	Jan 02 11:32
oiaohm	Novell mode of operation be your friend remain your friend. Set you up and kill you.	Jan 02 11:32
oiaohm	Anyone who as seen Novell aquire software contacts can tell you that first hand.	Jan 02 11:33
oiaohm	That is even pre Microsoft.	Jan 02 11:34
oiaohm	I still think the SCO case was the most nasty. Selling all Unix rights they had the right to transfer to SCO. Due to the BSD vs Novell case there was bugger all that was transferable.	Jan 02 11:35
oiaohm	Mono might manage to top it.	Jan 02 11:36
schestowitz	Mono?	Jan 02 11:37
schestowitz	Microsoft won’t let it	Jan 02 11:37
schestowitz	In face, Microsoft is promoting the thing.	Jan 02 11:37
schestowitz	You don’t hand over nukes to your enemy	Jan 02 11:37
oiaohm	Read the contract Novell got Microsoft into.	Jan 02 11:38
oiaohm	If Microsoft does not premote Novell products its a breach of contract.	Jan 02 11:38
oiaohm	There is no reverse requirement.	Jan 02 11:38
schestowitz	That’s wishful thinking. Novell spends no time criticising Microsoft.	Jan 02 11:40
schestowitz	Don’t overestimate Microsoft’s incompetence.	Jan 02 11:40
oiaohm	Even funnier was the requirement for Microsoft to hand out free coupons to for SUSE Linux. That MS had to buy from Novel at full price of SUSE.	Jan 02 11:41
oiaohm	Really would you kick someone who is handing you cash.	Jan 02 11:41
schestowitz	That’s not a good thing.	Jan 02 11:41
schestowitz	They try to block Free Linux.	Jan 02 11:41
oiaohm	Novell has never been about free OS.	Jan 02 11:41
schestowitz	They find out where it catches on and then enforce Microsoft software patents upon companies.	Jan 02 11:42
schestowitz	They set up precedence and liability	Jan 02 11:42
schestowitz	Novell does not care; it thinks only of the money that it needs (or else it will die)	Jan 02 11:42
oiaohm	When is that fact new.	Jan 02 11:42
oiaohm	Pre deal all Novell though about was that.	Jan 02 11:43
schestowitz	Yes.	Jan 02 11:43
schestowitz	Not new, but does that matter?	Jan 02 11:43
oiaohm	Novell will turn on Microsoft as so as Microsoft cannot pay.	Jan 02 11:44
oiaohm	Not a good place to put yourself.	Jan 02 11:44
oiaohm	MS deal also proves that Novell patents are more valuable than Microsoft ones effectively rendering MS defensive patents useless.	Jan 02 11:45
oiaohm	Question with the MS Novell deal is who is going to be dead first.	Jan 02 11:46
schestowitz	Not really	Jan 02 11:48
schestowitz	They do it for side effects	Jan 02 11:48
schestowitz	Both Microsoft and Novell are aligned against common rivals	Jan 02 11:49
schestowitz	They collaborate, not fight	Jan 02 11:49
oiaohm	So was SCO and Novell before Novell set them up for death.	Jan 02 11:49
schestowitz	SCO was small	Jan 02 11:49
schestowitz	Microsoft used it too	Jan 02 11:50
oiaohm	SCO and Novell were both the same size when they entered the deal with each other.	Jan 02 11:50
oiaohm	Problem for SCO when they found themselfs in the hole Novell created for them there was no way out so took money from anyone who would give it in the hope of finding a way out.	Jan 02 11:52
oiaohm	Before Novell and SCO become friends just like Microsoft and Novell they were both competing in the same market. Novell and SCO joined forces to take control of Linux as well.	Jan 02 11:54
oiaohm	Histroy is looping.	Jan 02 11:54
schestowitz	Which year was this? SCO-Novell/Caldera?	Jan 02 11:55
schestowitz	*Oops. SCO/Caldera	Jan 02 11:55
oiaohm	Back in the 1990. I know that the money for Novell dryed up with the .net bubble burst.	Jan 02 11:56
oiaohm	Yes history is repeating in more ways than 1.	Jan 02 11:56
oiaohm	So the sale of the trap to SCO was about extracting the last bit of money out of SCO.	Jan 02 11:57
oiaohm	Destroying SCO was kinda ment to make Novell look like the white knight to the open source world.	Jan 02 11:58
schestowitz	Yes.	Jan 02 11:59
schestowitz	They sure fool some people.	Jan 02 11:59
schestowitz	White knight.. to Microsoft	Jan 02 11:59
schestowitz	“how novell stepped up and said intellectual property matters” — Steve Ballmer (not exact quote)	Jan 02 11:59
oiaohm	Novell is never a White Knight	Jan 02 11:59
schestowitz	From October 2007 meeting in the UK	Jan 02 11:59
oiaohm	Microsoft is not in a location to negotate with Novell.	Jan 02 12:00
schestowitz	OT: As Crisis Spreads, a Pinch Becomes a Squeeze < http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/28/nyregion/2… >	Jan 02 12:00
oiaohm	Novell has the patents to shut MS down.	Jan 02 12:00
schestowitz	Hehe. No, Novell is frail.	Jan 02 12:00
schestowitz	it has patents, yes, but so does Sun	Jan 02 12:01
schestowitz	They know from SCO what happens when they take this route.	Jan 02 12:01
schestowitz	Orem does not need another SCO killing its way down in court	Jan 02 12:01
schestowitz	Shedding staff off like a zombie..	Jan 02 12:02
schestowitz	Novell shrank in 2008	Jan 02 12:02
schestowitz	WTF!	Jan 02 12:03
schestowitz	I have YouTube on “Novell” syndicated	Jan 02 12:03
schestowitz	“Oracle & Novell Dance To The Tune Of Chiquitita(Marian Rivera Inspired)”	Jan 02 12:03
schestowitz	http://uk.youtube.com/wat…	Jan 02 12:03
schestowitz	“Oracle & Novel”?	Jan 02 12:03
schestowitz	Do they call kids after companies?	Jan 02 12:03
schestowitz	http://ask.slashdot.org/article…. “Here in the UK, our skytv settop box crashed (lost all tv channels but not the menus precisley at 00:00 1/1/2009 needed a cold boot to get the channels back.”	Jan 02 12:07
oiaohm	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/04/no… Novell numbers for 2008 have barly been effected.	Jan 02 12:08
oiaohm	Main reason vampiring.	Jan 02 12:09
schestowitz	In the past 7 hours, BoycottNovell sent over 10,000 pages to non-bots	Jan 02 12:09
schestowitz	Not bad for a holiday.	Jan 02 12:09
trmanco	schestowitz, you got your server back? (usenet)?	Jan 02 12:09
schestowitz	trmanco: let me check	Jan 02 12:09
trmanco	forget it	Jan 02 12:09
trmanco	it was a old post of yours that got up	Jan 02 12:10
schestowitz	No, still unreachable, until kentma gets home from Canada.	Jan 02 12:10
trmanco	ok	Jan 02 12:10
schestowitz	Vampire don’t lose staff (limbs) every year	Jan 02 12:10
schestowitz	Novell has shrunk for a long time	Jan 02 12:11
schestowitz	Top search queries in the past 30 hours:	Jan 02 12:11
schestowitz	microsoft layoffs14919.9 %	Jan 02 12:11
schestowitz	microsoft425.6 %	Jan 02 12:11
schestowitz	microsoft layoffs 2008374.9 %	Jan 02 12:11
schestowitz	microsoft layoff293.8 %	Jan 02 12:11
schestowitz	People want answers. Many people do.	Jan 02 12:12
oiaohm	Google has had the closet thing to layoffs ever.	Jan 02 12:12
oiaohm	Droping there part time staff.	Jan 02 12:12
schestowitz	Yes, MS too	Jan 02 12:12
oiaohm	2009 could get bruttle.	Jan 02 12:12
schestowitz	But MS keeps quiet about it	Jan 02 12:12
schestowitz	See the BN comment from Needs Sunlight (latest)	Jan 02 12:13
schestowitz	He wrote about this a long time ago and I saw people ranting about it in USENET	Jan 02 12:13
oiaohm	Cutting full time staff is sign of major problems.	Jan 02 12:13
schestowitz	They quietly see their contracts dropped (that does not formally count as “layoff”	Jan 02 12:13
schestowitz	brittle?	Jan 02 12:13
oiaohm	brutal dyslexia/attempt correct did not work out.	Jan 02 12:14
schestowitz	This will save the economy: http://www.slipperybrick.com/2009/01/usb-je…	Jan 02 12:14
schestowitz	Microsoft goes into debt, but here is the thing	Jan 02 12:15
schestowitz	I wrote about it years ago and like a gang of hyenas people attacked me.	Jan 02 12:15
schestowitz	Bill Parish wrote about this too	Jan 02 12:15
schestowitz	He pointed out that Microsoft silents voices of alarm by attacking them	Jan 02 12:15
schestowitz	Same with the Gates Fundation [sic], which is not what people are led to believe	Jan 02 12:16
schestowitz	Microsoft’s defence of its Big Lies is similar to some races that attack volces of truth.	Jan 02 12:16
schestowitz	Dismissing them as crazy, zealot, or racist	Jan 02 12:16
oiaohm	So true. I have crossed enough of them.	Jan 02 12:16
oiaohm	I have always been a pure logical to OS comparing.	Jan 02 12:17
schestowitz	Here’s the thing again.	Jan 02 12:17
schestowitz	I may never get credit for saying this long ago when people tried to blind the messenger with heaps of Big Lies.	Jan 02 12:17
schestowitz	Same thing with THE ECNOMY	Jan 02 12:17
schestowitz	How many people warned it would collapse like this?	Jan 02 12:17
schestowitz	How many of them were PUBLISHED on paper?	Jan 02 12:18
schestowitz	They were marginalised and now that it turns out they were right all along, not a word it…	Jan 02 12:18
oiaohm	One person published a complete 800 page book.	Jan 02 12:18
schestowitz	*about it	Jan 02 12:18
oiaohm	Its a really good read	Jan 02 12:18
schestowitz	LONG read	Jan 02 12:18
oiaohm	Me 800 page book 6 hours reading.	Jan 02 12:18
schestowitz	Who in this age would read long book?	Jan 02 12:18
oiaohm	I have sleep problems from time to time.	Jan 02 12:19
schestowitz	People are lazy; they read headlines and summaries; the Net enables this	Jan 02 12:19
oiaohm	Book don’t make any noise.	Jan 02 12:19
schestowitz	You can’t use them well	Jan 02 12:19
schestowitz	Like take or highlight bits, let alone search	Jan 02 12:19
schestowitz	I find that limiting	Jan 02 12:19
oiaohm	I use electronic a lot too. Its just for when I cannot sleep.	Jan 02 12:20
schestowitz	Being physical, people use them as extensions/aides/buddies/accompanying things/enhancers	Jan 02 12:20
schestowitz	That’s why some people prefer printer books	Jan 02 12:20
schestowitz	I’d hate having a good book only on paper	Jan 02 12:21
oiaohm	No one has made a good electronic book that does not manage to go flat right at the wrong time.	Jan 02 12:21
schestowitz	With electronic version, you can produce (print) many copies	Jan 02 12:21
schestowitz	You can also share them and carry them on a UDB stick	Jan 02 12:21
schestowitz	.*USB	Jan 02 12:21
schestowitz	I’be just realised that I confused Dave Methvin with Foley of the same publication.. http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/a…	Jan 02 12:23
oiaohm	Problem with truth is sooner or latter it comes out in a way you cannot stop.	Jan 02 12:25
schestowitz	I know.	Jan 02 12:25
schestowitz	Just watch the AstroTurfing evidence.	Jan 02 12:26
oiaohm	Now that support of Linux is going mainstream AstroTrufing is going to become insanely hard.	Jan 02 12:26
schestowitz	If you watch closely, he said the collapse of the “Free market” triggered him to regret it.	Jan 02 12:26
schestowitz	But…. IT’S also because I leaked it	Jan 02 12:26
schestowitz	I sent it to Grolaw, which put out the text in full.	Jan 02 12:26
schestowitz	And then I drew lots of attention to it.	Jan 02 12:26
oiaohm	Personally I really need to get a lot more proactive on quality control issues in open source.	Jan 02 12:27
oiaohm	Most hated myth about quality is time between releases is a factor.	Jan 02 12:27
schestowitz	It’ll be a super-slow year for business next year (few press releases and product announcements). Easier for me.	Jan 02 12:28
oiaohm	I would not be too sure on that.	Jan 02 12:28
schestowitz	There was an article in Heise about it yesterday(ish)	Jan 02 12:28
oiaohm	Could be a super insane year for you.	Jan 02 12:28
schestowitz	Some German guy wrote about Debian release (quality vs timeframe)	Jan 02 12:28
schestowitz	oiaohm: insane just for me? How come?	Jan 02 12:29
oiaohm	Windows 7 MS Office 2009 and the pres pack of media releases they do when ever there are new products.	Jan 02 12:29
schestowitz	http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?sto…	Jan 02 12:29
schestowitz	Groklaw still in turtle pace mode :-(	Jan 02 12:30
schestowitz	oiaohm: compared to previous years, that’s not much. Vista7 might be released in 2010	Jan 02 12:30
schestowitz	Released only to ‘die’…	Jan 02 12:30
schestowitz	People won’t be buying dual cores in the year to come.	Jan 02 12:31
schestowitz	They can’t afford it, so slim software wins.	Jan 02 12:31
oiaohm	Quality of code is directly liked to the Quality control processors you have.	Jan 02 12:32
oiaohm	Not to the time between releases.	Jan 02 12:32
oiaohm	Problem for distributions they try applying Quality Controls after the fact instead of in the projects producing the code for them.	Jan 02 12:33
MinceR	hay	Jan 02 12:35
schestowitz	Microsoft’s ’technical evangelism’ structures are getting too rusty and people will hopefully start suing</a>, equipped with information and proof. http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/02/gary-s…	Jan 02 12:35
oiaohm	Remember the old saying prevention beats cure. So true for application construction. If you have good quality controls on all alterations going into a project you don’t have to try to find errors on the other side as much..	Jan 02 12:37
oiaohm	Hi MinceR	Jan 02 12:38
schestowitz	I see this spin re: Zune	Jan 02 12:39
schestowitz	It’s not Microsoft fault… it’s somebody else’s (freezing)	Jan 02 12:39
schestowitz	The hecklers in BN used that too (well, one of them did, which makes him worth suspicion)	Jan 02 12:40
oiaohm	AMD should have know better. Who could forget the AIGLX stuff up between redhat and novell	Jan 02 12:42
oiaohm	Or the promised evolution for windows. That in the end turn out to run like a dog using cygwin and a X11 server on windows.	Jan 02 12:43
schestowitz	AMD had collabs going with NOVL	Jan 02 12:43
schestowitz	They still have that OpenSUSE sort of sponsorship/promotion	Jan 02 12:44
oiaohm	I think the only thing that saved the deal was Novells deal with microsoft allowing them to come into contact with Microsoft protected stuff about Direct X.	Jan 02 12:45
oiaohm	Ie the cross patent agreement thing.	Jan 02 12:45
schestowitz	Would it be so complex?	Jan 02 12:48
oiaohm	Not really.	Jan 02 12:50
oiaohm	Novell Microsoft patent deal is 100 percent protection to both parties as long it stays in effect from the others patents and IP.	Jan 02 12:51
oiaohm	So what ever AMD has to aquire from Microsoft for Direct X compadiblity is covered.	Jan 02 12:52
oiaohm	Novell deal with Microsoft is quite complete.	Jan 02 12:52
oiaohm	Reason for the requirement in the deal that Novell could not work on Wine.	Jan 02 12:53
schestowitz	But that would suggest Novell has some exclusive ownership of things it does with AMD.	Jan 02 12:53
oiaohm	No it does not.	Jan 02 12:53
schestowitz	Why Wine?	Jan 02 12:54
oiaohm	If Novell comes into contact with a doc contain stuff needed for direct X no foul to AMD.	Jan 02 12:54
schestowitz	It’s not covered BTW	Jan 02 12:54
oiaohm	If Novell was allowed to work on wine they would be able to use there access to windows source code.	Jan 02 12:54
oiaohm	And other core documents to make applications work.	Jan 02 12:55
oiaohm	Yes complete.	Jan 02 12:55
oiaohm	Now if Novell released Direct X docs that it go from AMD it would be foul on Novell.	Jan 02 12:57
schestowitz	DirectX?	Jan 02 12:57
schestowitz	Well, wait… why would they access DirectX?	Jan 02 12:57
oiaohm	Some sections of video card design are directly based of Direct X internal requirements.	Jan 02 12:57
oiaohm	Just like some sections of video cards are based of opengl requirements.	Jan 02 12:58
oiaohm	AMD breachs the agreement with Microsoft over that Direct X stuff and AMD would get cut out loop or at least risk it.	Jan 02 12:59
oiaohm	Yes why its taking so long to get a lot of docs through legal departments of AMD. Then there are other bits protected by patents held by S3 and the like.	Jan 02 13:00
schestowitz	But does Novell need to give its engineer access to DirectX stuff?	Jan 02 13:01
schestowitz	I doubt it. They should be able to process just OGL instructions	Jan 02 13:01
oiaohm	Its more case of mistake.	Jan 02 13:01
oiaohm	Novell is safer for AMD to be passing docs to.	Jan 02 13:01
oiaohm	Since it don’t count.	Jan 02 13:01
schestowitz	But whose patents and NDAs?	Jan 02 13:02
schestowitz	Novell is only in bed with the Vole.	Jan 02 13:02
schestowitz	And has some patents to cross-license with, but the code is freely distributed	Jan 02 13:02
oiaohm	NDA exists between Microsoft and every video card maker with Direct X support.	Jan 02 13:02
oiaohm	That is a big one.	Jan 02 13:03
oiaohm	S3 no foul for a closed source driver builder working for a company coming in contact with sections its got under NDA.	Jan 02 13:03
oiaohm	Most of the others are like S3 one.	Jan 02 13:04
oiaohm	Microsoft one is the one with teeth to take your arms off as a video card maker.	Jan 02 13:04
schestowitz	Even for OpenGL?	Jan 02 13:05
oiaohm	Opengl is mostly safe.	Jan 02 13:05
schestowitz	Unless Novell needs access to DirectX, I don’t see it..	Jan 02 13:06
oiaohm	S3 patent covers a form of texture compression.	Jan 02 13:06
oiaohm	That is optional to be used by opengl.	Jan 02 13:06
oiaohm	Docs for video card design not always neatly sorted schestowitz	Jan 02 13:06
oiaohm	One function might be used in Direct X and Opengl for two different functions.	Jan 02 13:07
oiaohm	Ie function names.	Jan 02 13:07
oiaohm	Its more comming into contact with it in the design documents.	Jan 02 13:08
oiaohm	Yes part of creating open source ATI drivers has been spliting the documents in 2.	Jan 02 13:09
schestowitz	So you’re suggesting that licences with Microsoft somehow get passed to Novell?	Jan 02 13:09
schestowitz	This does not convince me.	Jan 02 13:10
schestowitz	In fact, they were able to look for Red Hat developers	Jan 02 13:10
schestowitz	I assume you saw my last post.	Jan 02 13:10
oiaohm	Redhat equals having to split the documents before passing them over.	Jan 02 13:11
oiaohm	Novell and Microsoft agreement gave Novell protection from IP breach with Microsoft. So Novell coming into contact with something NDA protected by Microsoft would be the same as Microsoft coming into contact with it. No foul.	Jan 02 13:13
schestowitz	Is there any confirmation of this?	Jan 02 13:14
schestowitz	If it had reasons, someone would say it.	Jan 02 13:14
schestowitz	Novell or its developers, I reckon.	Jan 02 13:14
schestowitz	As if to say, “look, the deal with Microsoft was good because yadda yadda…”	Jan 02 13:15
oiaohm	Its a double sided sword.	Jan 02 13:15
oiaohm	Just because Novel can come into contact with MS NDA protected stuff does not mean they can release it.	Jan 02 13:15
schestowitz	LOL > http://www.antonywilliams.com/2009/01/more…	Jan 02 13:15
oiaohm	Its a protection part of the deal in Novel and Microsoft. It was released to the stock exchange.	Jan 02 13:16
oiaohm	To me ages to get all the details of all the conditions and effects worked out from it.	Jan 02 13:17
oiaohm	End Novell wins.	Jan 02 13:17
oiaohm	Free advertising and Money.	Jan 02 13:17
schestowitz	Yes, I have that SEC filing.	Jan 02 13:20
schestowitz	About patents	Jan 02 13:20
oiaohm	There is more in there.	Jan 02 13:20
schestowitz	I disagree about it being a win, certainly not for GNU/Linux as a whole. it’s Novell and Microsoft trashing the F/OSS ecosystem for seflish gain.	Jan 02 13:21
oiaohm	F/0SS ecosystem destroying was always Novells goal.	Jan 02 13:21
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/24/coope…	Jan 02 13:22
oiaohm	Section 10 of sec filing schestowitz wording is extreamly open and extreamly protecting.	Jan 02 13:39
oiaohm	Problem is in the over use of or	Jan 02 13:40
oiaohm	Some sections really should have been and.	Jan 02 13:44
oiaohm	Also section 11 cuts on MS teeth to hit back hard.	Jan 02 13:49
trmanco	Will OpenOffice.org Go to the Ball this Year?: http://www.computerworlduk.com/toolbox/open-…	Jan 02 14:00
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trmanco	More on Microsoft layoffs: http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_conten…	Jan 02 14:08
trmanco	“Then take into consideration that Microsoft hires a lot of employees via agencies and that this number of employees aren’t included in the total head count at Microsoft. There’s a big chance that a large chunk of the 17 percent figure could come out of the agency staff.”	Jan 02 14:08
schestowitz	Thanls.	Jan 02 14:16
schestowitz	No surprises there.	Jan 02 14:17
schestowitz	http://netsecurity.about.com/b/2009/01/01/m…	Jan 02 14:33

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IRC Proceedings: Saturday, May 27, 2023

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No More Twitter, Mastodon, and Diaspora for Tux Machines (Goodbye to Social Control Media)

People would benefit from mass abandonment of such pseudo-social pseudo-media.
Links 28/05/2023: New Wine and More

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Links 27/05/2023: Plans Made for GNU's 40th Anniversary

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Social Control Media Needs to be Purged and We Need to Convince Others to Quit It Too (to Protect Ourselves as Individuals and as a Society)

With the Tux Machines anniversary (19 years) just days away we seriously consider abandoning all social control media accounts of that site, including Mastodon and Diaspora; social control networks do far more harm than good and they’ve gotten a lot worse over time
Anonymously Travelling: Still Feasible?

The short story is that in the UK it's still possible to travel anonymously by bus, tram, and train (even with shades, hat and mask/s on), but how long for? Or how much longer have we got before this too gets banned under the false guise of "protecting us" (or "smart"/"modern")?
With EUIPO in Focus, and Even an EU Kangaroo Tribunal, EPO Corruption (and Cross-Pollination With This EU Agency) Becomes a Major Liability/Risk to the EU

With the UPC days away (an illegal and unconstitutional kangaroo court system, tied to the European Union in spite of critical deficiencies) it’s curious to see EPO scandals of corruption spilling over to the European Union already
European Patent Office (EPO) Management Not Supported by the EPO's Applicants, So Why Is It Still There?

This third translation in the batch is an article similar to the prior one, but the text is a bit different (“Patente ohne Wert”)
EPO Applicants Complain That Patent Quality Sank and EPO Management Isn't Listening (Nor Caring)

SUEPO has just released 3 translations of new articles in German (here is the first of the batch); the following is the second of the three (“Kritik am Europäischen Patentamt – Patente ohne Wert?”)
German Media About Industry Patent Quality Charter (IPQC) and the European Patent Office (EPO)

SUEPO has just released 3 translations of new articles in German; this is the first of the three (“Industrie kritisiert Europäisches Patentamt”)
Geminispace Continues to Grow Even If (or When) Stéphane Bortzmeyer Stops Measuring Its Growth

A Gemini crawler called Lupa (Free/libre software) has been used for years by Stéphane Bortzmeyer to study Gemini and report on how the community was evolving, especially from a technical perspective; but his own instance of Lupa has produced no up-to-date results for several weeks
Links 27/05/2023: Goodbyes to Tina Turner

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HMRC: You Can Click and Type to Report Crime, But No Feedback or Reference Number Given

The crimes of Sirius ‘Open Source’ were reported 7 days ago to HMRC (equivalent to the IRS in the US, more or less); but there has been no visible progress and no tracking reference is given to identify the report
IRC Proceedings: Friday, May 26, 2023

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One Week After Sirius Open Source Was Reported to HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC) for Tax Fraud: No Response, No Action, Nothing...

One week ago we reported tax abuses of Sirius ‘Open Source’ to HMRC; we still wait for any actual signs that HMRC is doing anything at all about the matter (Sirius has British government clients, so maybe they’d rather not look into that, in which case HMRC might be reported to the Ombudsman for malpractice)
Links 26/05/2023: Weston 12.0 Highlights and US Debt Limit Panic

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Gemini Links 26/05/2023: New People in Gemini

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IRC Proceedings: Thursday, May 25, 2023

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Links 26/05/2023: Qt 6.5.1 and Subsystems in GNUnet

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Links 25/05/2023: Mesa 23.1.1 and Debian Reunion

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Links 25/05/2023: IBM as Leading Wayland Pusher

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IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, May 24, 2023

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Links 25/05/2023: Istio 1.16.5 and Curl 8.1.1

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Gemini Links 25/05/2023: On Profit and Desire for Gemini

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SiliconANGLE: Sponsored by Microsoft and Red Hat to Conduct the Marriage Ceremony

SiliconANGLE insists that paying SiliconANGLE money for coverage does not lead to bias, but every sane person who keeps abreast of SiliconANGLE — and I read their entire feed every day — knows that it’s a ludicrous lie (Red Hat/IBM and the Linux Foundation also buy puff pieces and “event coverage” from SiliconANGLE, so it’s marketing disguised as “journalism”