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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: January 9th, 2009

Posted in IRC Logs at 4:38 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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schestowitz Yes, I reckon there’s lots of fraud there. Jan 09 00:03
schestowitz Thanks for the headsups. Jan 09 00:03
schestowitz This will be a long night for me. Buckets of antitrust stuff to go through soon, as well. Jan 09 00:04
schestowitz Is someone on the typo squad? ;-) Can you read this quickly, please: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01… Jan 09 00:24
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Tallken w8 Jan 09 00:29
schestowitz It’s poorly written cause I wrote it fast Jan 09 00:29
schestowitz I’ve fallen behind cause of Comes Jan 09 00:30
Tallken schestowitz, seems fine Jan 09 00:31
Tallken schestowitz, read it fast as well though Jan 09 00:31
schestowitz That’s OK Jan 09 00:31
schestowitz Is it hard to read fast? Jan 09 00:31
schestowitz I just need to get the message across. Jan 09 00:31
schestowitz But it lacks clarity I think. Jan 09 00:32
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/08/… Jan 09 00:34
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schestowitz There’s a bot on BN from p5480BD98.dip.t-dialin.net Jan 09 00:43
schestowitz Maybe an indexer Jan 09 00:43
schestowitz A lot of OpenSUSErs come from that ISP Jan 09 00:43
schestowitz This indexer is chewing up over 15000 pages Jan 09 00:44
Tallken user agent ? Jan 09 00:50
schestowitz I haven’t chcked Jan 09 00:51
schestowitz It could be spoofed though. Jan 09 00:51
Tallken true Jan 09 00:51
Tallken but that sounds like a “normal” hostname Jan 09 00:51
Tallken or maybe not Jan 09 00:51
Tallken don’t know where could they stuff the ip info in it Jan 09 00:51
schestowitz Maybe wgetting Jan 09 00:54
schestowitz We had that befor.e Jan 09 00:54
schestowitz But a lot of our trolls come from *.dip.t-dialin.net Jan 09 00:54
Tallken hum Jan 09 01:11
Tallken cool Jan 09 01:11
Tallken well my point of view is that Novell has a nice PR Jan 09 01:12
schestowitz It does? Jan 09 01:12
Tallken I don’t get is from where they “publish” their stuff Jan 09 01:12
schestowitz What do you mean? Jan 09 01:12
Tallken or if it is from inside the community Jan 09 01:12
schestowitz What specifically? Jan 09 01:13
Tallken and, in that case, I’m confounding fanboyism, which I must admit, I also suffer from :p Jan 09 01:14
Tallken or really misinformation Jan 09 01:14
Tallken well Jan 09 01:14
Tallken I’ll explain Jan 09 01:14
Tallken I was earlier today speaking with a friend Jan 09 01:14
Tallken who based his choice of using openSuSE on Jan 09 01:14
Tallken * it’s good Jan 09 01:14
Tallken * Novell it’s good Jan 09 01:14
Tallken * Novell has lots of hired programmers working on FOSS (and no-one denies that, for the record :p) Jan 09 01:15
Tallken * Novell contributes way more Jan 09 01:15
Tallken and the point that really annoyed me Jan 09 01:15
schestowitz Novell has PR, unlike say… Slackware Jan 09 01:16
schestowitz But it’s not good PR Jan 09 01:16
Tallken Novell fought for patents in Linux against SCO and won, and let them be used freely OSS Jan 09 01:16
Tallken and Red Hat, for example, stood still and did nothing Jan 09 01:16
Tallken so Novell is good as does good stuff noone else does Jan 09 01:17
Tallken it annoys me Jan 09 01:17
Tallken it remembers me of Mac fanboys… for god’s sake, I annoy ppl showing them Compiz like a brat child (for the record again, Novell’s doing) Jan 09 01:17
Tallken but I always try to be sure of what I say Jan 09 01:17
Tallken afaik, what was being mentioned was a copyright case of SCO vs Novell Jan 09 01:18
Tallken of course Red Hat couldn’t go to court ’cause… well, they weren’t the ones being judged Jan 09 01:18
Tallken yes maybe it’s not PR Jan 09 01:19
Tallken maybe it’s a fact on all distros Jan 09 01:19
Tallken maybe it’s me expecting too much of the guy Jan 09 01:19
Tallken expected him to be more certain of the facts he presented Jan 09 01:19
Tallken and got annoyed he was throwing them around like godsend truths Jan 09 01:20
Tallken and got kinda mad Jan 09 01:20
Tallken on the other hand Jan 09 01:20
Tallken Linux communities tend to form… well, a community, sometimes based not only on friendship inside a community and commitment to core values Jan 09 01:20
Tallken but sometimes also with the companionship of hate of outsiders work Jan 09 01:21
Tallken instilling yet more distro-wars Jan 09 01:21
schestowitz Novell has a mad past Jan 09 01:23
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schestowitz But it places no emphasis on it Jan 09 01:23
schestowitz wb, Omar87 Jan 09 01:23
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Tallken I wouldn’t be too surprised if Greg KH doing on the Ubuntu patches stats had that intention… however, until I see further developments from the Ubuntu & Canonical, namely open-sourcing Launchpad, I can’t honestly pick a side because Novell’s guys do have a point… Jan 09 01:24
Tallken intention = spilling fuel on outside distro hate Jan 09 01:25
schestowitz They are different typos of companies Jan 09 01:26
Tallken well yes Jan 09 01:28
Tallken however as i tried to end the argument Jan 09 01:28
Tallken i don’t give a f*ck as long as it is GPLv3 or equivalent work that those companies do Jan 09 01:29
Tallken i do care Jan 09 01:29
Tallken but it’s the minimal common base Jan 09 01:29
Tallken GPLv3 or another license which prevents patents issue Jan 09 01:29
schestowitz Yes, that too Jan 09 01:35
schestowitz I have an antitrust memo to post Jan 09 01:35
schestowitz One of them shows how Microsoft planned to plant patents in standards Jan 09 01:35
schestowitz Why? Because of Linux. Microsoft actually admits this Jan 09 01:35
Tallken expectable :p Jan 09 01:50
Tallken that’s why I want GPLv3 :p Jan 09 01:50
Tallken “want” Jan 09 01:50
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schestowitz What a stupid headline:  Can broadband save the economy? < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technol… > Jan 09 01:59
twitter ha ha, it’s  Bernard Madoff in the spotlight of securities fraud again. Jan 09 02:07
twitter I suppose M$ is running out of hush money. Jan 09 02:08
schestowitz Again? Jan 09 02:09
twitter Yes, it’s in the article linked above. Jan 09 02:11
twitter Infrastructure investments would be very useful and could help everyone’s economy.  Like they say, ”  a new era of teleworking which in turn could reduce the traffic on our roads. “ Jan 09 02:12
twitter Here in the US, where public transport basically does not exist, that would be a great thing. Jan 09 02:12
schestowitz it does not exist (in good shape) due to collusion from the motors (automobile) and oil companies. Jan 09 02:14
schestowitz They needed to maximise waste for profit.They got sued for it and lost the case. Jan 09 02:14
twitter Auto companies have failed.  Next goes oil.  That’s why gas is back to $1.40 a gallon – big oil is desperate to save Detroit. Jan 09 02:15
twitter That, and everyone is fired and has nowhere to drive anymore. Jan 09 02:16
schestowitz I heard 3 millions are affected Jan 09 02:16
schestowitz My friend Dave said 3 million people are in this industry in the US Jan 09 02:16
schestowitz You refuted and didn’t believe Jan 09 02:16
schestowitz Then my friend Steve independently said the same — 3 million. Jan 09 02:16
twitter I did not refute. Jan 09 02:16
twitter Did I? Jan 09 02:17
twitter …. still don’t believe the number unless you are including people on car lots doing the selling. Jan 09 02:17
schestowitz Someone in IRC did Jan 09 02:17
schestowitz Yes, that was it. Jan 09 02:17
twitter You can have just as many selling Honda then. Jan 09 02:18
twitter It would be sad to see US lose its auto makers but Detroit has killed them all everywhere else and deserves the same fate. Jan 09 02:19
twitter Without Detroit screwing things up, honest companies might grow. Jan 09 02:19
twitter In any case, even Walmart is expecting a bad year.  That’s fucked up. Jan 09 02:20
schestowitz I have some good pick on Wal-mart Jan 09 02:20
schestowitz How Microsoft schemed to ruin Linux at Wal-mart Jan 09 02:20
schestowitz antitrust exhibit from 2006… Jan 09 02:20
twitter nice, do share. Jan 09 02:21
schestowitz In a few days/weeks. Jan 09 02:24
schestowitz I have s*loads of stuff I want to post properly. Jan 09 02:24
schestowitz I could use people’s help Jan 09 02:24
schestowitz I’ll plea for help in IRC. Jan 09 02:24
schestowitz We’ll do the Wal-mart one tomorrow Jan 09 02:25
twitter Ship me the docs or a link.  I’ll help out when I can. Jan 09 02:27
twitter Here’s something fun with Walmart in it.  Baby got back in Walmart.  http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=o1… Jan 09 02:27
schestowitz http://iowa.gotthefacts.org/… Jan 09 02:31
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twitter wow Jan 09 02:33
schestowitz I have more on this. Jan 09 02:34
twitter I’ll see what I can’t transcribe tonight. Jan 09 02:35
Tallken cya later! Jan 09 02:37
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schestowitz Thanks. Jan 09 02:38
twitter I wonder what happened to these people, Walmart/Linux Taskforce: Robin Bradshaw, Christine Briggs, Mark Croft David Hoffman & Tom Perrier Jan 09 02:38
schestowitz Naming them might help Jan 09 02:38
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twitter I misunderstood, I thought at first they were Walmart employees.  Silly me. Jan 09 02:40
twitter Naming them is a good idea if what they have done is evil.  Reading on. Jan 09 02:40
twitter “The first Microtel Lindows PCs appeared on Walmart.com in June 2002.  We are responding with a taskforce and coordinated efforts to understand the situation and intentions of all parties involved.”  Ominous. Jan 09 02:43
twitter “We understand that there has not been a customer satisfaction issue.  Walmart sets fairly strict standards for customer return rates and service calls.”  and that they were shipping about $200,000 per week. Jan 09 02:49
twitter God, how I hate these slime balls at M$. Jan 09 03:00
twitter “Continue the engagement with Rich Hindman to focus on strategies to differentiate the offerings as Microtel introduces a new wave of SKU’s.  This will seperate the offerngs and focus on the added value of the Windows based systems.  (Avoid the current situtation where the $299 Windows Home SKU is the same config as Lindows model but $100 more for the same model with XP Home, with no other differentiation).  This can be accomplish Jan 09 03:00
twitter “All of the conversations with Microtel are centered on growing their Microsoft business, and improving the relationship between Microtel and Microsoft.  We avoid any direct conversations on Linsows.” Jan 09 03:04
twitter “Luke is concerned that Microsoft is mad at them for selling Linux PCs.”  Please, master, don’t hurt me again. Jan 09 03:10
twitter “Their goal with Lindows was to hit a very low price point – if it sold, they would keep it, if it didn’t they would dump it after 90-120 days.  It’s selling.” Jan 09 03:13
twitter “”Naked PCs” (no O/S) are still outselling Linux PCs (but not by much)” Jan 09 03:14
schestowitz We’ll work on it tomorrow. It’s 3:20am Jan 09 03:18
schestowitz I have about 30 exhibits lined up for processing. Jan 09 03:19
twitter I’ll email you what I’ve got later.  I’m on page 3 of 5. Jan 09 03:20
schestowitz Thanks. Is that not OCRed? Jan 09 03:22
*schestowitz checks Jan 09 03:23
schestowitz No OCR Jan 09 03:23
schestowitz Having it in plain text would make a great future reference and be indexed Jan 09 03:23
schestowitz Many links there. Jan 09 03:24
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twitter Yes, I’m typing it by hand. Jan 09 03:25
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twitter funny.  this address still has the correct article name but errors for content.  http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn… Jan 09 03:42
twitter I guess they want me to subscribe to look at their adverts. Jan 09 03:42
twitter ziff davis articles almost all vanish. Jan 09 03:45
twitter http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3078317/ Jan 09 03:45
twitter http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS967… Jan 09 03:45
twitter http://www.internetnews.com/ent-news/art… Jan 09 03:45
twitter http://news.cnet.com/2100-1040-943955.html Jan 09 03:45
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twitter there you go, http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/221041 Jan 09 04:03
twitter I can email plain text if you like. Jan 09 04:03
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MinceR hm, Nova == Palm webOS? Jan 09 08:00
schestowitz twitter: can you mail the text to r at schestowitz.com? Thanks. Jan 09 08:31
schestowitz Yelpian astroturfers invade Blighty < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/… > Jan 09 08:34
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Omar87 Hello everyone. Jan 09 08:38
Omar87 schestowitz: Are you there? Jan 09 08:38
kentma hi Jan 09 08:38
Omar87 kentma: het Jan 09 08:38
Omar87 hey* Jan 09 08:38
schestowitz Hey, what’s up? Jan 09 08:41
Omar87 schestowitz: I need some consutltation please. Jan 09 08:43
schestowitz Sure. Jan 09 08:43
Omar87 How do I bring good traffic to my blog? What, from your experience do I think I do order to make my blog more famous? Jan 09 08:44
schestowitz Good stories make subscribers based on what I’ve learned. One subscriber can read thousands of posts. Jan 09 08:47
Omar87 So, you say I should keep posting good posts and subscribers come on their own? Jan 09 08:48
Omar87 *will* Jan 09 08:49
schestowitz Yes. Jan 09 08:49
Omar87 I also think that posting FOSS-related stuff on FSD would too, right? Jan 09 08:52
schestowitz Yes, possibly so. Some people there read BN and they voluntarily link to BN occasionally. Jan 09 08:53
schestowitz It’s good when the site has fans that spread the word Jan 09 08:53
Omar87 Of course. Jan 09 08:54
MinceR j0 Jan 09 09:15
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schestowitz The new O/S from Palm looks decent. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgat… http://www.pcworld.com/article/156… Jan 09 09:42
schestowitz Palm Announces WebOS and Pre Phone < http://www.pcworld.com/article/156724/… > Jan 09 09:43
schestowitz Nokia Ends Production of Its Only WiMax Device < http://www.pcworld.com/article/156707… > “The devices are larger than typical cell phones but smaller than laptops and run the maemo Linux-based OS2008 operating system.” Jan 09 09:45
schestowitz brb Jan 09 10:01
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schestowitz Did I miss anything? Jan 09 10:20
MinceR nope Jan 09 10:20
schestowitz My other server ran out of space and I didn’t notice Jan 09 10:21
PetoKraus schestowitz: pre phone looks amazing Jan 09 10:21
PetoKraus schestowitz: http://xkcd.com/528/ Jan 09 10:23
schestowitz It’s okay now, I fixed it remotely, but oddly enough it won’t respons to SCP/fish, but does fine with SSH Jan 09 10:23
MinceR too bad it only supports web-based apps Jan 09 10:23
MinceR (html5 and javascript) Jan 09 10:23
MinceR is the webOS the Palm Pre runs the same as Nova? Jan 09 10:23
schestowitz http://techdirt.com/articles/200901… (Has Our Economy Become Dependant On Bubbles?) Jan 09 10:36
MinceR interesting Jan 09 10:42
schestowitz Wooo. I’m sooo scared… http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microso… (Microsoft “actively” considering rebranding Live Search)… what if they changed the name … /again/? Like they tried with embedded Windows because they just keep losing to Linux there. Jan 09 10:44
MinceR when did they rename embedded windows to? Jan 09 10:47
MinceR s/ to// Jan 09 10:47
MinceR is that the wince->windows mobile thing? Jan 09 10:47
schestowitz I’d have to check Jan 09 10:49
schestowitz “Renames its family of products to target the embedded market.” http://www.efytimes.com/efytimes/26010/news.htm Jan 09 10:59
schestowitz This characterises marketing company. They focus on messages and names, not products. Jan 09 10:59
schestowitz It’s all about perception and mind-wash, ain’t it? Jan 09 11:00
schestowitz http://www.efytimes.com/efytime… – > “Microsoft OLE DB Provider for SQL Server error ’80040e31′ “ Jan 09 11:00
MinceR this is different Jan 09 11:03
MinceR (i’m reading the google cache since the server didn’t respond) Jan 09 11:03
MinceR looks like they’ve renamed Windows CE to Windows Embedded Ready or something like that Jan 09 11:03
MinceR but it’s more complicated than that Jan 09 11:04
schestowitz It *is* complicated. Windows is complicated. Jan 09 11:11
schestowitz IDG mistake: http://www.pcworld.com/article…  It’s NOT open source. Jan 09 13:14
schestowitz The handcuffs are free of charge in H-P’s Linux offering: http://arstechnica.com/journals/linu… ‘What caught my eye on the product page wasn’t the description of the GUI, it was what followed on the next line. Preceded by “Please note” in bold, the HP page states “the Linux command line interface is disabled on this edition.”‘ Jan 09 13:30
MinceR lol Jan 09 13:32
schestowitz The feature is that they disabled the most basic feature. It’s like selling a car where they tell you the bonnet is welded shut. Jan 09 13:33
MinceR i wonder how much hacking would it take to put bash on it Jan 09 13:37
schestowitz Why even offer them the pleasure of acquiring the overpriced h/w? They are Microsoft lackeys (H-P). Jan 09 13:38
MinceR indeed Jan 09 13:39
schestowitz They only offer Linux because it’s the superior (and right) choice. Look what happened to home server: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/… Jan 09 13:39
MinceR but at least they’ll probably desert m$ once things look worse for m$ Jan 09 13:39
schestowitz They will. Jan 09 13:39
schestowitz I have lots of dirt to spill on the Vole in weeks to come. Jan 09 13:40
MinceR and even if they’re offering linux with handcuffs, it still hurts m$. Jan 09 13:40
schestowitz http://www.stallman.org/archives/200… “French president Sarcoma plans to eliminate French investigating magistrates, who in the past have been crucial to prosecuting official corruption.” Jan 09 13:41
MinceR lol Sarcoma Jan 09 13:43
schestowitz “Nearly all Obama’s choices for important government positions are known for pro-business, repressive or corrupt policies in their fields. Either he means to disregard them and not let them influence his policy, or he is planning to treat the public very badly.” http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008… Jan 09 13:43
schestowitz I watched this video the other day Jan 09 13:43
schestowitz How marketing managers tell candidates what to say Jan 09 13:43
schestowitz Nothing new there, but it’s nice when you hear that after they get elected they come back to the funders (corporations) and toss away the sweet talk, which intentionally hides all the policies. Jan 09 13:44
schestowitz Elections are an illusion of choice when views are imposed upon people, the options are all pretty much the same (same elites fund the two candidates) and policies are not even offers as a differentiated package Jan 09 13:45
schestowitz That at last is American politics… as corrupt as it gets _in the West_… it’s worse in other countries though… like Brazil Jan 09 13:45
schestowitz Obama picks RIAA’s favorite lawyer for a top Justice post < http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-101… > Jan 09 13:46
PetoKraus hmm Jan 09 13:47
PetoKraus here go modpoints again Jan 09 13:47
PetoKraus it’s quite frequent Jan 09 13:47
schestowitz Why Big Finance Is Laughing All the Way to the Bank < http://www.alternet.org/workplace/11685… > Jan 09 13:47
schestowitz Banks are corrupt, so who can one trust? Jan 09 13:47
schestowitz http://www.alternet.org/story/117219/ “Looters have taken over America’s Treasury. The executives who successfully ransacked their own banks, investment funds and insurance companies have set their eyes on Obama’s stimulus. Tragically, the architects of the current economic fiasco have been placed in charge of America’s recovery.” Jan 09 13:48
schestowitz Obama urged to relax US tech restrictions < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/0… > Jan 09 13:49
schestowitz Anti-ODF spin from a Microsoft employee who once again gets a carte blanche in the India Pre$$$: http://www.expresscomputeronline.com/2009… Jan 09 13:56
schestowitz eBay is poisoned by Microsoft now: http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1800 (Former Microsoft search leader resurfaces at eBay) Jan 09 14:07
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schestowitz New comment: http://boycottnovell.com/2009… “I wouldn’t worry too much about anyone taking anything Byfield has to say seriously anyway. He’s a crappy writer who’s lousy at hiding his personal agendas.” Jan 09 14:19
schestowitz Microsoft looks for rebirth in dying automobile companies: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/ne… Jan 09 14:20
schestowitz Ongoing migration: http://www.zmogo.com/gear/the-new-… Jan 09 14:23
schestowitz Novell’s EMEA President Quits: http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/o… Jan 09 14:27
schestowitz UK Wants Obama Administration in on Internet MPAA < http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/uk-wa… > Jan 09 14:50
ushimitsudoki1 The UK seems really scary to me Jan 09 14:55
schestowitz It’s a nanny nation. Jan 09 14:58
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schestowitz *LOL* http://www.boingboing.net/2009/01/08… Jan 09 15:15
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/09/w… says a reader: “This is all quite interesting…I simply do not understand why more people aren’t screaming for further investigations into Microsoft’s business practices.  I’m hoping that Lawrence Lessig’s anti-corruption campaign will help get the attention of the US DoJ… Jan 09 15:16
schestowitz “….not that they’ll do anything, but it would at least bring it to the main stream news.  Hopefully it will cause even MORE people to decide to avoid MS products. I see that avoidance happening already, but it would be nice to see the process accelerated a bit.” Jan 09 15:16
twitter There are stupid people everywhere who don’t understand how the internet works and who want to chisel the naughty bits off public statues and otherwise protect the children. Jan 09 15:16
twitter http://socialissues.wiseto.com/Articles… Jan 09 15:16
twitter http://www.studyworld.com/newsite/Repo… Jan 09 15:17
twitter I’ve seen studies that show a majority of US citizens want to censor the internet the same way movies and TV were censored. Jan 09 15:17
twitter It’s disturbing they think that way and I can only hope elected officials don’t go for it. Jan 09 15:18
schestowitz The power of the Web is its openness to many voice Jan 09 15:18
schestowitz Foreign of public relations have provided too much centralised power for propaganda (they no longer use this term after WW2). Jan 09 15:18
twitter People don’t realize what the internet can do for them yet.  They think of it like movies, radio and other entertainment more than a research tool or a press. Jan 09 15:19
twitter They are so used to a broadcast world that the power of a free press is lost on them. Jan 09 15:20
twitter We have a good constitution and some good laws but the idiots are wrecking them. Jan 09 15:21
schestowitz Some people just use the Internet to read BBC and get some tunes Jan 09 15:21
schestowitz So their perception of the Web is very different, and some people like it that way Jan 09 15:22
twitter Some people never go to the library but have respect for it.  They have yet to make the connection between the web and “real” libraries. Jan 09 15:22
schestowitz Now it’s proposed that there should be a ranking system, but I think, TBH, that even timbl supported it. Schmidt said something about it too. Jan 09 15:22
twitter Broadcasters and big publishers want to hobble the internet as much they can. Jan 09 15:23
schestowitz People are raised to associated books with wisdom. Jan 09 15:23
schestowitz *associate (no d) Jan 09 15:23
schestowitz In order to establish a system of consent, people are taught to ignore one medium while blindly respecing another. Jan 09 15:24
twitter People are taught to trust large institutions and ignore their neighbors. Jan 09 15:27
twitter It is an inversion of traditional trust relations. Jan 09 15:27
twitter Looking at your 98 EOL story.  bbl Jan 09 15:27
schestowitz It “keeps them helpful and divided” Jan 09 15:31
schestowitz RMS is not the only one that uses such explanation Jan 09 15:32
schestowitz For people to just fight each other for wealth and ego (the way they are educated) means that their only influence comes from above Jan 09 15:32
schestowitz This does not allow for trade unions and other forms of groping where like-minded people with common pain request change. It is easier for the ‘elites’ to reform the population through (mis)education rather than physically suppress their attempts to restore rights. Jan 09 15:33
schestowitz http://www.theopensourcerer.com… little does he know that “Gordon” is more interested in those behind-closed-door deals like BECTA’s. Corruption… white-collar crime. Jan 09 16:00
ushimitsudoki who is the “gordon” he is referring to? Jan 09 16:04
schestowitz Brown, PM Jan 09 16:12
schestowitz He’s part of a secret society that aligns with the Gates family. Jan 09 16:12
schestowitz Look at small companies taking pride using a PRESS RELEASE in some mention from a corrupted magazine: http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayRelease… Jan 09 16:43
schestowitz eWeek has Microsoft moles in it. It’s Ziff|Gates too. Jan 09 16:44
Omar87 schestowitz: Did you see this? http://www.novell.com/promo/linux.htm… Jan 09 16:50
Omar87 Look at what they wrote on the header. Jan 09 16:51
Omar87 ..actually nothing is unusual.. Jan 09 16:52
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schestowitz “With performance and value like that, it’s no wonder SUSE Linux Enterprise is endorsed by SAP and Microsoft as their preferred Linux platform.” Jan 09 16:54
schestowitz Yay Jan 09 16:54
schestowitz Endorsed by SweatyB himself. Jan 09 16:54
schestowitz So where do I pay patent royalties (aka “coupons”/”vouchers”)? Jan 09 16:54
schestowitz Novell brags about Linux Magazine honours, but a Novell employee is quite a chief there: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/0… Jan 09 17:03
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neighborlee schestowitz, were you just being facetous re: ogre3d and moonlight ( moonbeam) or do you find it ok…the poster about this cleary seems to think its fine since ‘moonlight is open source’…that and the thread about this seems locked or something ? Jan 09 17:29
schestowitz Where is that? Jan 09 17:31
neighborlee http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12… Jan 09 17:31
schestowitz I notice that Novuel de Icaza is posting about Mono games again. Jan 09 17:31
neighborlee no surprise Jan 09 17:32
neighborlee yeah , the more enticing they can make mono the more liklihood they think they can get people to use it Jan 09 17:33
schestowitz Well, no-one was forcing them Jan 09 17:33
schestowitz It’s an art of deceit Jan 09 17:33
neighborlee yup Jan 09 17:33
neighborlee force no, deceive yes, Jan 09 17:33
schestowitz Nobody forces people to go and kill (and die) in wars, but if you fuel hatred and zeal, then they do it. Jan 09 17:33
schestowitz It’s marketing at all levels. Jan 09 17:33
schestowitz In this case, it’s mono marketing, not the role of the PR industry in public relations and national agenda… let’s call it “software agenda” Jan 09 17:34
neighborlee I think you should have prob. elabored a bit on your reply is all Jan 09 17:35
neighborlee It almost sounds likle you are condoning moonilght. Jan 09 17:35
schestowitz Hmmmm…. Jan 09 17:36
schestowitz It’s not a very visible post anyway Jan 09 17:36
schestowitz It’s PageRank 5, but it’s just some short piece of honour. Jan 09 17:37
neighborlee ah ok Jan 09 17:37
schestowitz Like an interlude. Jan 09 17:37
neighborlee gotcha Jan 09 17:37
schestowitz A massive patent lawsuit hits Microsoft, Novell and many others: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/09/pat… Can you quickly typo-check? Jan 09 17:38
PetoKraus seems awright Jan 09 17:40
PetoKraus lol Jan 09 17:43
PetoKraus priceless! Jan 09 17:43
PetoKraus i just read the sauce Jan 09 17:43
schestowitz Source? Jan 09 17:46
PetoKraus yeah, the link you linked in your last article Jan 09 17:48
PetoKraus :) it’s so ridiculous I hope they win :D Jan 09 17:48
schestowitz Novell is dying Jan 09 17:48
schestowitz SCO 2 Jan 09 17:48
schestowitz I’m working on another longer post Jan 09 17:48
PetoKraus where’s the stallman’s article? Jan 09 17:49
schestowitz Wait, I’ll check. Jan 09 17:52
schestowitz http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-no… Jan 09 17:54
schestowitz Campaigners highlight ‘toxic TVs’ < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technol… > Jan 09 18:10
schestowitz Yahoo Nears End of Search for a CEO < http://online.wsj.com/article/SB12314… > Jan 09 18:14
schestowitz Commentary: Create a tech-friendly U.S. government < http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/… > Jan 09 18:26
ushimitsudoki That’s a nice little commentary Jan 09 18:36
ushimitsudoki “The era of handing implicit subsidies to politically favored companies by adopting their closed proprietary software must end.” Jan 09 18:37
ushimitsudoki I like that thought Jan 09 18:37
schestowitz It’s true. Jan 09 18:44
schestowitz This is corruption. Jan 09 18:45
schestowitz But they wear suits, so they think it’s no crime. Jan 09 18:45
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schestowitz “Here’s some good food for thought: Free Market Myth < http://bostonreview.net/BR34.1/baker.php > The article mentions copyright and patent protections as examples of how the government interferes in the free market.  It cites the Internet as an example of the free market. I thought I would mention this because of the rubbish I’ve heard recently which implies that Microsoft is a free market player. “ Jan 09 19:38
schestowitz “They are not a free market player because they rely so heavily on copyright protection to prohibit illegal copies.  It’s difficult to see how this “advances the arts and sciences”, as copyright is intended to do. There is entirely too much confusion between “advances the arts and sciences” and “possibly increases profitability.”  Of course, copyright is also what enables the GPL to work, so it isn’t all bad.” Jan 09 19:38
twitter best buy has a hard dime http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news… Jan 09 19:59
twitter *time Jan 09 19:59
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twitter Walmart may end up with the business http://www.marketwatch.com/news/s… Jan 09 20:00
twitter more fraud http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p… Jan 09 20:02
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twitter biggest job loss since 1945 http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news… Jan 09 20:03
schestowitz Hard dime a typo? :-) Jan 09 20:06
schestowitz Heh. That typo was a good one. Jan 09 20:07
schestowitz Another pyramid goes naked. Jan 09 20:08
schestowitz There are many more. They come out of the hiding. Jan 09 20:08
schestowitz New interview: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01… Let me know if you spot typos. Jan 09 20:08
schestowitz “Minkow said in the report that neither he nor the Fraud Discovery Institute is shorting the stock or has purchased put options on Lennar. A put option gives the purchaser of the option the right but not the obligation to sell a stock at a specific price by a specified time.” Jan 09 20:11
schestowitz “The Labor Department reported that the nation lost 2.589 million jobs in 2008, just shy of the 2.75 million decline at the end of World War II.” Jan 09 20:13
schestowitz Bloomberg seems decent, but how promiscuous is it? Jan 09 20:16
twitter I don’t know.  M$’s assessment of one of their reporters I think was, “always tells the complete story” Jan 09 20:18
schestowitz http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7221 “Once again — with remarkable clarity — we peer into our crystal ball and pick which companies in and around open source are going to grab your attention in 2009″ Jan 09 20:18
schestowitz “IBM, Citrix, Cisco, Novell, Microsoft, Terracotta, Dell, Zimory, Check Point, Astaro, Likewise Software, Open-Xchange, Coraid, Parallels, VMware, Hyperic, ScaleMP, NetGear ..” Jan 09 20:18
schestowitz Reader: “Citrix: is more purely Open Source with its XenServer, based on the Xen hypervisor [...] Cisco: leveraging Linux as a platform for developers with their ISR routers [...] Odd there, no mention of Red Hat or Canonical [...] who owns/runs Linux Mag?” This related to this post: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/09/nov… Jan 09 20:19
schestowitz Tso, Linus and LF ‘pragmatists’ want to change “Linux” too. Reader: “I don’t have a link for you but did see a report that there is an attempt at forcing Debian to accept blobs.  It would be dumb-ass move and weaken portability, maintenance and above all security.” Jan 09 20:20
PetoKraus duuh Jan 09 20:21
PetoKraus i wish the folks at debian would just tell everyone to fizz off Jan 09 20:21
PetoKraus and let them do their job Jan 09 20:21
schestowitz Tso flamed them in a way. Very obnoxious message… Jan 09 20:22
schestowitz Reader: “I see that it is important to keep a distinction between the distro Debian and its goals and the Linux kernel. The blob debate, as far as I am concerned, was over years ago.  For me it was in the 90′s but the topic was done in the 70′s.  Despite that, it resurfaced recently among the BSDs:http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#39 Jan 09 20:22
schestowitz He says: “It seems the Nvidia driver scandal and treacherous computing / digital restrictions are not given the serious concern they warrant.  With the TC and DRM modules now more or less unavoidable in most, if not all, commodity hardware, the threat to freedom that blobs pose has increased several orders of magnitude.” Jan 09 20:23
schestowitz “Torvalds was right in choosing the GPL for the kernel, the phenomenal growth and advancement of the Linux kernel shows us that.   Let’s not trip up so near the finish line.” Jan 09 20:23
trmanco http://badvista.fsf.org/badvista-d… Jan 09 20:23
trmanco http://digg.com/tech_news/BadVista… Jan 09 20:24
schestowitz I left a a comment Jan 09 20:25
schestowitz Email Scams Already Way More Prevalent in ’09 < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/01… > Jan 09 20:26
twitter cool, the badvista victory was published.  It was in their newsletter before it was on the web for some reason. Jan 09 20:27
twitter That goes into the Vista Failure Log for sure. Jan 09 20:27
twitter Feel the hate here, http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?… Jan 09 20:28
schestowitz IBM president who grew up in Cuba: “Being trapped in an anachronistic, repressive government is one half of Cuba’s misery.  The other half is the equally anachronistic, foolish US embargo. ” http://blog.irvingwb.com/blog/2009… Jan 09 20:28
twitter It is interesting how much time the troll have to write such shit. Jan 09 20:28
schestowitz Embargo = financial strangulation. Make the people miserable (punish the people) so that they overthrow the government, replacing it with a puppet regime (to the US) Jan 09 20:28
PetoKraus twitter: nice modbombing Jan 09 20:30
PetoKraus -1 informative Jan 09 20:30
PetoKraus :D Jan 09 20:30
schestowitz It was only months ago that Microsoft ran aggressive ads for Vista. It no longer mentions the V word Jan 09 20:31
schestowitz If I look at the MS feeds (hundreds of item), there’s more 7apourware than Visduh! Jan 09 20:31
twitter The Cuban embargo started off as a moral issue, like the Soviet and China embargo.  People in a free economy can’t compete with slave labor, everyone loses their rights and the dictators grow stronger on both sides of the trade. Jan 09 20:31
twitter Yes, Vista has failed and everyone knows it. Jan 09 20:32
PetoKraus though i have to agree, you should cite more sources Jan 09 20:32
twitter I’m here to help Roy find sources. Jan 09 20:33
PetoKraus well that’s your business Jan 09 20:34
twitter Any link to BN links to all of our work. Jan 09 20:34
schestowitz Microsoft marketing people roam Slashdot, for a fact. It’s already confirmed. Jan 09 20:34
schestowitz AT least they waste Microsoft’s budget Jan 09 20:34
benJIman Microsoft employees in reading websites shocker. Jan 09 20:34
PetoKraus it doesn’t matter Jan 09 20:34
schestowitz benJIman: manipulating. Jan 09 20:35
PetoKraus linking to one page as a source Jan 09 20:35
PetoKraus is really…. Jan 09 20:35
schestowitz They also hire peripherals to so this. Jan 09 20:35
PetoKraus i don’t know the word for it Jan 09 20:35
twitter It’s more than their employees, Benji, they hire people to crap flood. Jan 09 20:35
PetoKraus but it makes me smile Jan 09 20:35
twitter Here’s a link that will give you hundreds of sources.  http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/177855 Jan 09 20:36
twitter :-D just for you. Jan 09 20:37
twitter Time to update it with the good news from Bad Vista. Jan 09 20:37
schestowitz “The author of the email, posted on ZDNet in a Talkback forum on the Microsoft antitrust trial, claimed her name was Michelle Bradley and that she had “retired” from Microsoft last week. Jan 09 20:37
schestowitz     “A verbal memo [no email allowed] was passed around the MS campus encouraging MS employee’s to post to ZDNet articles like this one,” the email said. Jan 09 20:37
schestowitz     “The theme is ‘Microsoft is responsible for all good things in computerdom.’ The government has no right to prevent MS from doing anything. Period. The ‘memo’ suggests we use fictional names and state and to identify ourselves as students,” the author claimed.” Jan 09 20:37
schestowitz http://www.wired.com/techbiz/media… Jan 09 20:37
PetoKraus i’m just trying to say you shouldn’t wonder when you get modbombed Jan 09 20:37
PetoKraus when your articles lack basic journalist fundamentals Jan 09 20:37
PetoKraus as plurality of sources… Jan 09 20:38
PetoKraus even though you’re right Jan 09 20:38
PetoKraus it looks lame. Jan 09 20:38
schestowitz http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009/01/e… Protests against Nanny Gordon. Jan 09 20:39
PetoKraus schestowitz: http://static.thepiratebay.org/dreamworks… Jan 09 20:40
schestowitz Sri Lankan newspaper editor shot dead http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/j… “The Sunday Leader is locked in a legal battle with the president’s brother, Sri Lankan defence secretary Gotabaya Rajapaksa, who is suing the newspaper for defamation over stories it published alleging corruption, Reuters reported. Rajapaksa has denied any wrongdoing.” Jan 09 20:42
twitter Ack!  Roland is dead.  http://meta.slashdot.org/me… Jan 09 20:42
schestowitz “As you may or may not be aware, Sweden is not a state in the United States of America. Sweden is a country in northern Europe. Unless you figured it out by now, US law does not apply here. For your information, no Swedish law is being violated.” Jan 09 20:43
schestowitz Maybe they’ll bribe some officials to buy new laws then. Jan 09 20:43
schestowitz http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/… (Police probe Satyam over $1bn blackhole); http://www.theregister.co.uk/200… (Another 524,000 US jobs go) Jan 09 20:49
schestowitz Up To’ Marketing Strikes Again: UK Customers Get 45% Of Promised Broadband Speed < http://techdirt.com/articles/200901… > Jan 09 20:51
schestowitz http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3… (Goldman Sachs: IT-spending growth to halt) BUT… he doesn’t cite his source. :-( Jan 09 20:57
schestowitz http://br.sys-con.com/node/… Memorandum of ‘Understanding’ (R) Jan 09 21:00
schestowitz http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fasterforwar… “For my existence proof,” West said, “I give you the open-source community.” The developers of open-source programs like the Apache Web server easily coordinate their coding efforts across vast distances. And yet, he continued, “They need to have these events like ApacheCon… now and then where people can have a beer and g Jan 09 21:03
schestowitz et to know each other.” Jan 09 21:03
schestowitz Continued demise of the term “open source”: http://www.pcworld.com/article/156602/nine… Jan 09 21:05
twitter There have been a few stories on lower IT spending.  Government, banking and others. Jan 09 21:05
twitter I’m not sure about that.  Nine Inch Nails has put their tracks up and invited people to remix and distribute them. Jan 09 21:06
schestowitz Yes, but no code. Jan 09 21:07
schestowitz Google Group has just gotten a new favicon: http://groups.google.com/groups?so… Jan 09 21:07
twitter Tracks are code for music, no? Jan 09 21:07
twitter I’m not sure he has not also made sheet music available. Jan 09 21:08
twitter They are a band that seems to understand free culture better than most.  Free Culture is a better term than Open Source for such things. Jan 09 21:08
twitter When I say tracks, I mean individual instrument tracks. Jan 09 21:09
schestowitz Here is a BS Ziff”Davis ‘article’ that sucks up to ‘analysts’: http://www.zdnetasia.com/insight/s… Either ‘predicting’ the obvious (did anyone predict slump?), hiding away from bad forecasts or making self-fulfilling prophecies (lies) Jan 09 21:10
schestowitz I have loads of material about Gartner corruption Jan 09 21:10
schestowitz It’ll take me a while to get around to ot. Jan 09 21:10
schestowitz (ot Jan 09 21:10
schestowitz *it Jan 09 21:10
schestowitz Tracks  =  free culture, I think. Open source loses its meaning. Jan 09 21:11
schestowitz Won’t be long before ‘open-source’ toilet paper… that you can modify and redistribute. Jan 09 21:12
schestowitz What vendors really mean by ‘open source’ http://www.computerworlduk.com/communi… Jan 09 21:15
schestowitz Palm’s Pre Is Coming to Europe, Says CEO < http://www.pcworld.com/article/1567… > Jan 09 21:22
*MinceR is waiting for Palm Post Jan 09 21:22
MinceR ;) Jan 09 21:22
twitter I saw economic collapse on the way ten years ago because of trade with China and the decline of western industry. Jan 09 21:24
twitter There was nothing I could do about it, of course. Jan 09 21:25
twitter besides live modestly and gain as many self reliance skills as I could. Jan 09 21:26
schestowitz Economists knew this too.. G8 and all.. Jan 09 21:28
schestowitz Offshoring used to be predicated, but instead it just want “poof” like a bubble at the end of Sept. 2008 (and onwards) Jan 09 21:29
schestowitz Prepare for Intel layoffs too..  http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articl… Jan 09 21:30
schestowitz Lots of OSS sites are writing about ‘open source Windows’: http://ostatic.com/blog/reactos-attempt… Jan 09 21:49
twitter reactos and freedos, generally better than the original. Jan 09 22:03
twitter here’s more on vista failure http://xkcd.com/528/ Jan 09 22:03
schestowitz http://blog.mandriva.com/2009/01/08/440/ “Pixel will be leaving Mandriva on February. We would like to take the opportunity to thank him for his commitment and endeavour whilst at Mandriva and we wish him every success in his future activities.” Jan 09 22:04
twitter I can back that cartoon up with what I saw over Christmas.  Vista reduced itself to a single line of text that blinked. Jan 09 22:05
schestowitz At least it had animation Jan 09 22:06
twitter They call that an improved GUI. Jan 09 22:13
schestowitz “Wow” moment Jan 09 22:15
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schestowitz Where is 130.57.22.201 from? Jan 09 22:33
schestowitz Resverse DNS  returns null. Jan 09 22:34
MinceR whois says it’s owned by novell Jan 09 22:35
schestowitz Novell busted: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/09/fosdem-no… Jan 09 22:38
schestowitz Actually, I ought to just make a post about it too. It’s amusing. Jan 09 22:38
schestowitz Novell does not employ the sharpest of people. Jan 09 22:38
schestowitz Miguel visits BN as well: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/09/inte… Jan 09 22:40
schestowitz He’s back from Microsoft (Novell IP again) Jan 09 22:44
schestowitz 130.57.22.201 in case you want to parse your logs Jan 09 22:44
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schestowitz Heh. What do you know? Miguel reads BN every day. Jan 09 22:53
schestowitz quick grep through the log shows this. Jan 09 22:53
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schestowitz Anonymous Novell employees are found responsible for negative comments in this Web site: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/0… Jan 09 23:37
schestowitz The next time people say “boycottnovell is not realiable” or whatever, be sure to point out that the message might be coming from Novell, because sometimes it does. SCO tried the same tactics against Groklaw. Jan 09 23:38
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tessier_ Man, you guys post such a flood of stuff there is no way I could ever keep up with it. Jan 09 23:52
tessier_ I wish there was some sort of prioritization. Jan 09 23:52
tessier_ I would like to see daily choice of the one links of all of the links found that day that I should really read. Jan 09 23:52
tessier_ Or something like that. Jan 09 23:52
schestowitz We already do daily links Jan 09 23:56
schestowitz You want “importance” assignment to each? That would be easy. Jan 09 23:56
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  28. Links 20/1/2022: Linuxfx 11.1 WxDesktop 11.0.3 and FreeIPMI 1.6.9 Released

    Links for the day



  29. Links 19/1/2022: XWayland 22.1 RC1 and OnlyOffice 7.0 Release

    Links for the day



  30. Links 19/1/2022: ArchLabs 2022.01.18 and KDE's 15-Minute Bug Initiative

    Links for the day


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