01.24.09

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: January 23rd, 2009 – Part 2

Posted in IRC Logs at 6:47 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

schestowitz	oiaohm2: good, then tell Apple to fight them	Jan 23 14:09
schestowitz	Microsoft is one of the biggest force in Europe /FOR/ sw patents	Jan 23 14:09
oiaohm2	DRM tech is good for personal information from leaking.	Jan 23 14:09
schestowitz	Can’t their lobbyists be locked up already?	Jan 23 14:09
schestowitz	oiaohm2: that’s not DRM	Jan 23 14:09
twitter	M$ is like that everywhere.	Jan 23 14:09
MinceR	oiaohm2: that has nothing to do with DRM	Jan 23 14:09
schestowitz	DRM protects from crackers	Jan 23 14:09
MinceR	that’s encryption	Jan 23 14:09
schestowitz	Not from customers	Jan 23 14:09
MinceR	DRM protects from nobody	Jan 23 14:09
oiaohm2	Digatil Right Management.	Jan 23 14:10
schestowitz	DRM as in encryption	Jan 23 14:10
MinceR	whoever can read the data has access to the key in some form	Jan 23 14:10
schestowitz	Encrpttion is about security, not a sales model	Jan 23 14:10
MinceR	which means they can copy it in a DRM-less form	Jan 23 14:10
oiaohm2	Ie what staff should and should not have access to stuff.	Jan 23 14:10
MinceR	and that’s access control	Jan 23 14:10
MinceR	still not DRM	Jan 23 14:10
oiaohm2	DRM was not design for the Music industry to use at first.	Jan 23 14:10
schestowitz	es	Jan 23 14:10
schestowitz	Yes	Jan 23 14:10
twitter	The best way to protect personal information is to use a platform that’s hard to crack into.	Jan 23 14:11
schestowitz	You can use encruption to hinder ACCESS to date	Jan 23 14:11
schestowitz	That doesn’t involve scrambling the dats	Jan 23 14:11
schestowitz	*data	Jan 23 14:11
oiaohm2	One of the first forms of DRM were encrypted documents.	Jan 23 14:11
oiaohm2	With keys that allowed different users to access them.	Jan 23 14:11
MinceR	oiaohm2: if the recipient of the data is meant to handle the key, it isn’t DRM	Jan 23 14:11
schestowitz	Yes	Jan 23 14:11
schestowitz	You beat me to it	Jan 23 14:11
schestowitz	So I can grab screenshots of the doc	Jan 23 14:11
schestowitz	Or copy and paste..	Jan 23 14:12
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schestowitz	Protection GNOME	Jan 23 14:12
MinceR	DRM is based on the idea that they can’t get at the key yet are magically able to decrypt the data in a controlled environment	Jan 23 14:12
oiaohm2	TPM module stores keys because users were cracking them.	Jan 23 14:12
twitter	The next thing to do is to understand what information you have that should not really be shared – if you are a business, your customer’s information should not be shared. What’s not needed to help the customer should be deleted.	Jan 23 14:12
schestowitz	Hehe. *GONE	Jan 23 14:12
MinceR	in other words, a pipe dream.	Jan 23 14:12
schestowitz	Freudian slip	Jan 23 14:12
MinceR	the keys can be extracted from the TPM	Jan 23 14:12
oiaohm2	Yes DRM controlled envorment like a business network it worked.	Jan 23 14:12
twitter	Finally, you need to restrict the information to those who really need it to help the customer and make sure you hire people you can trust (pay them well)	Jan 23 14:12
oiaohm2	DRM used in a uncontrolled network like the internet it failed.	Jan 23 14:12
schestowitz	Watch how many ebooks leak	Jan 23 14:13
schestowitz	DRM…	Jan 23 14:13
schestowitz	Just expiring people’s reading…	Jan 23 14:13
twitter	digital restrictions have failed everywhere they have been used.	Jan 23 14:13
schestowitz	Just preventing them from taking the books their bought elsewhere.	Jan 23 14:13
MinceR	RMS had a nice essay about DRM-ed books	Jan 23 14:13
schestowitz	They are better off downloading the ‘pirated’ copy from the Internet	Jan 23 14:13
schestowitz	It’s not only free but it’s better, it endures	Jan 23 14:13
schestowitz	So what was achieved? The books are less desirable with DRM.	Jan 23 14:14
twitter	and you can help your neighbor by sharing it.	Jan 23 14:14
oiaohm2	Insided controlled networks where everything is checked from including the software running and out side hardware tampering is blocked it has worked.	Jan 23 14:14
schestowitz	Books you can’t pass or show to your neighbour	Jan 23 14:14
twitter	name the place	Jan 23 14:14
schestowitz	Imagine having a book that goes ‘poof’ when you move houses	Jan 23 14:14
oiaohm2	DRM used on ebook videos music are all using the tech were it was not designed to work perfectly.	Jan 23 14:14
oiaohm2	Watermarking is far more effective than DRM in most cases.	Jan 23 14:15
MinceR	it’s unnecessary in such a closed system	Jan 23 14:15
twitter	oiaohm2: I don’t believe there’s ever been a business where employees with access to information could not walk out with it. even if they just remember it, as Nazi resistors did in France.	Jan 23 14:15
oiaohm2	Not business normally intelengence level networks.	Jan 23 14:16
oiaohm2	Yes in there they do have stuff that will only decrypt on particular consoles.	Jan 23 14:16
oiaohm2	So you need access rights and DRM to get at document.	Jan 23 14:16
oiaohm2	Those areas it works.	Jan 23 14:17
twitter	if you don’t trust your employees, you are lost no matter what you do.	Jan 23 14:17
twitter	they remember the information needed and walk out.	Jan 23 14:17
oiaohm2	That is not a case of not trusting employees	Jan 23 14:17
twitter	of course it is. why else would you keep the people you hire from copying information they need for their jobs?	Jan 23 14:18
oiaohm2	Its more a case of not trusting that no one will try to breakin to get the information.	Jan 23 14:18
twitter	in these cases, it’s more the company that’s being protected from employees than it is the customers being protected from the world.	Jan 23 14:18
oiaohm2	DRM systems are not about blocking copying by allowed users.	Jan 23 14:18
twitter	digital restrictions will be used in the worst manner possible.	Jan 23 14:19
oiaohm2	Its purely about making copy hard to use by not allowed users.	Jan 23 14:19
oiaohm2	Issue here media companies are trying to use it wrong.	Jan 23 14:19
twitter	“not allowed users” is what the media companies are all about, and pay per play.	Jan 23 14:20
oiaohm2	Ie you cannot have it both ways. You cannot allow person to play file and still be sure they cannot copy it.	Jan 23 14:20
twitter	I can have it the way I want because I avoid digital restrictions.	Jan 23 14:20
oiaohm2	DRM used correctly for secuirty reasons is good.	Jan 23 14:20
oiaohm2	DRM used incorrectly for like trying to block users from doing things bad.	Jan 23 14:20
twitter	I’m blue in the face now.	Jan 23 14:21
oiaohm2	This is the issue with all tech lot of cases used in the right place good.	Jan 23 14:21
oiaohm2	Take the Xbox 360 protection system of games. That was design purely for high secuirty networks.	Jan 23 14:22
MinceR	in a controlled system you’re talking about, you can simply use filesystem access controls.	Jan 23 14:22
oiaohm2	Not really.	Jan 23 14:23
oiaohm2	DRM is a extra level.	Jan 23 14:23
MinceR	it’s a useless extra level, yes	Jan 23 14:23
oiaohm2	If someone gets past the filesystem permissions and copies something and does not have the key to access it what do they have.	Jan 23 14:23
MinceR	what’s worse, the ones who do break in can steal the token that holds the key so they get to copy stuff more easily than your trusted employees.	Jan 23 14:23
MinceR	if someone gets past the filesystem permissions, your system isn’t nearly as controlled as it should be for your idea to work in the first place.	Jan 23 14:24
oiaohm2	Reason why DRM in those networks has been trying to embed the decryption in hardware that cannot be accessed.	Jan 23 14:24
MinceR	there’s no hardware that cannot be accessed	Jan 23 14:24
oiaohm2	Network accessed	Jan 23 14:25
MinceR	it might be difficult, it might be destructive, it might be costly	Jan 23 14:25
oiaohm2	Physical access they have secuirty guards for.	Jan 23 14:25
oiaohm2	Ie media companies don’t have the secuirty guards so it cannot work.	Jan 23 14:25
oiaohm2	DRM has its place in high secuirty networks anywhere else its stupidity.	Jan 23 14:26
oiaohm2	MinceR Think about it for one min if you need a particular screen to decrypt a video and you don’t have it DRM works becuase you don’t have the bit you need to break into.	Jan 23 14:30
oiaohm2	This is how it works with high secuirty networks. The hardware you need to break is all protected by secuirty guards.	Jan 23 14:30
oiaohm2	Basically as soon as you give someone one of the decoding devices outside protection you have stuffed it.	Jan 23 14:31
MinceR	oiaohm2: how exactly do you protect that particular screen by security guards if the employees need to use it?	Jan 23 14:32
MinceR	it’s just like having your employee carry a token with their keyring	Jan 23 14:33
MinceR	only more expensive	Jan 23 14:33
MinceR	and more troublesome when you need to replace the display or the key	Jan 23 14:33
oiaohm2	Employee carying token can get attacked to get token.	Jan 23 14:33
oiaohm2	High secuirty networks you just put a employees live on the line.	Jan 23 14:34
oiaohm2	They are safer not having the access device.	Jan 23 14:34
MinceR	and the place can be broken into	Jan 23 14:35
oiaohm2	That is what c4 is for.	Jan 23 14:35
MinceR	if you trust token keeping more, you can lock them up in a safe while the employees are outside	Jan 23 14:35
MinceR	which is a lot more powerful than using a DRM-ed screen.	Jan 23 14:36
oiaohm2	Or you put console in safe filled with pure co2 when no one use using it.	Jan 23 14:36
oiaohm2	Screen is larger and harder to be walked off with.	Jan 23 14:37
MinceR	lol	Jan 23 14:37
MinceR	then use a 5-ton token made of lead.	Jan 23 14:37
MinceR	there’s no need to couple it with unrelated machinery	Jan 23 14:37
oiaohm2	Some of the consoles would be in the 12 tons class.	Jan 23 14:37
MinceR	also, the attacker could break the actual token out of the screen and walk off with it	Jan 23 14:37
oiaohm2	If you include the safe they are in.	Jan 23 14:37
MinceR	after the safe, it’s trivial	Jan 23 14:38
oiaohm2	after the secuirty guards and safe and booby traps in console its trivial.	Jan 23 14:38
oiaohm2	Nothing is more nasty than a screen with 1 kg of C4 in it set to go off if opened incorrectly.	Jan 23 14:39
MinceR	which part requires it to be a screen exactly?	Jan 23 14:40
oiaohm2	That is the other issue it does not I am using that as a example.	Jan 23 14:40
oiaohm2	It could be anywhere in the safe room.	Jan 23 14:40
oiaohm2	So yes hid and seek time.	Jan 23 14:40
oiaohm2	And hope you don’t open up the wrong thing.	Jan 23 14:41
oiaohm2	High secuirty stuff is scary stuff to play with.	Jan 23 14:41
oiaohm2	Yes those consoles rooms are really over sized not movable tokens.	Jan 23 14:43
schestowitz	I think we might make the front page:	Jan 23 14:43
schestowitz	http://digg.com/linux_unix/Microsoft…	Jan 23 14:43
MinceR	so security by obscurity	Jan 23 14:43
MinceR	instead of proper key use and key management	Jan 23 14:43
oiaohm2	High secuirty you use every trick.	Jan 23 14:43
MinceR	and distributing the tokens over a large area to make them more difficult to guard	Jan 23 14:43
trmanco	http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01/21/fren…	Jan 23 14:43
oiaohm2	If you cannot protect the decoding tokens DRM will always fail. Ie media companies actions could have never worked. Someone should have read the rules of high secuirty networking.	Jan 23 14:45
MinceR	that someone should have been the one who came up with “DRM”	Jan 23 14:46
oiaohm2	High secuirty networks is where DRM was invented.	Jan 23 14:46
oiaohm2	And it where it should have stayed too.	Jan 23 14:46
oiaohm2	Water marking your personal information into media files is a far bigger theat and more likely to stop people from illegally trading in them than DRM.	Jan 23 14:49
DarkUranium	hi	Jan 23 14:49
oiaohm2	Hi DarkUranium	Jan 23 14:50
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trmanco	idiots -> http://digg.com/linux_unix/MSNBC_…	Jan 23 15:10
trmanco	spreading BS lies	Jan 23 15:11
trmanco	and hatred against Linux and the Linux community	Jan 23 15:11
trmanco	“I love their little note: “Msnbc.com is a Microsoft-NBC Universal joint venture.” Ruined all credibility.”	Jan 23 15:12
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schestowitz	http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28039226/…	Jan 23 15:39
trmanco	where is MR.logger_bot	Jan 23 15:41
*MinceR whispers off the record		Jan 23 15:43
schestowitz	I can’t reach him	Jan 23 15:47
schestowitz	.Been up for 4 months.	Jan 23 15:48
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trmanco	http://ubuntuforums.org/show…	Jan 23 16:08
schestowitz	Location: SoCal	Jan 23 16:09
schestowitz	Isn’t that the SCOPE location?	Jan 23 16:09
schestowitz	I can’t reach logger_log, but it could be an electrical failure if not a network failure. I’ll check on Monday.	Jan 23 16:10
trmanco	ok	Jan 23 16:10
schestowitz	There’s still logging, just not backup for them	Jan 23 16:10
trmanco	Can Vista 7 beat Ubuntu’s memory consumption? -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showth…	Jan 23 16:33
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tacone	schestowitz: lol, i am sure you will be able to see a lot of nice metaphors in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NeR2LyILWQ	Jan 23 16:41
schestowitz	Hey, tacone	Jan 23 16:48
tacone	hey i am going to blog about that video	Jan 23 16:48
tacone	it rocks !	Jan 23 16:48
tacone	even the last sentence	Jan 23 16:49
schestowitz	It’s a little old, but still funny…	Jan 23 16:52
schestowitz	I’ll post it too, I guess..	Jan 23 16:53
twitter	The Walmart attack is really damaging and deserves attention. http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=v…	Jan 23 16:54
twitter	I read through the excuses the M$ shills brought up in the comments and took account of them in that submission.	Jan 23 16:55
twitter	I have to thank Gentoo User for helping me to make a better submission.	Jan 23 16:55
twitter	Thanks, asshole!	Jan 23 16:55
twitter	The primary objection, that Walmart is too large to intimidate, is easily negated by the task force’s attack on every member of the distribution chain. They screwed Walmart by threatening or bribing the much smaller supplier.	Jan 23 16:57
twitter	No one else had submitted the story.	Jan 23 16:58
twitter	Let’s see if Digg or Slashdot will get it first.	Jan 23 16:58
schestowitz	It’s almost there… http://digg.com/linux_unix/Microsoft_Ta…	Jan 23 17:00
twitter	M$’s attack shows exactly how hard they have to work to keep their second rate software on top.	Jan 23 17:00
schestowitz	My stalkers will have bomb-buried it as usual.	Jan 23 17:00
schestowitz	*or bury-bombed	Jan 23 17:00
schestowitz	FP!	Jan 23 17:03
schestowitz	Oh oh	Jan 23 17:03
schestowitz	BN is already slow	Jan 23 17:03
schestowitz	Pages load up slowly	Jan 23 17:03
schestowitz	I CORALed it	Jan 23 17:03
twitter	congratulations	Jan 23 17:04
twitter	to be fair, digg had a head start	Jan 23 17:04
schestowitz	It’s slowww……	Jan 23 17:05
schestowitz	But it’s still alive, thankfully.	Jan 23 17:05
schestowitz	Shane put us on quad-core	Jan 23 17:05
schestowitz	OK, no more posts until midnight… so as to minimise pressure.	Jan 23 17:08
twitter	M$FT 16.75	Jan 23 17:10
schestowitz	Hehe!!	Jan 23 17:10
schestowitz	It’s a good day then for Freedom, ain’t it…?	Jan 23 17:10
schestowitz	tacone: I posted that video in BN	Jan 23 17:10
schestowitz	Not a smart thing though cause some people will d/l the ogg and hog server resources that way	Jan 23 17:11
tacone	ehehe	Jan 23 17:11
tacone	i am about to posting it as well.	Jan 23 17:11
tacone	eheh bn is unresponsive	Jan 23 17:11
schestowitz	Server down?	Jan 23 17:12
schestowitz	You can still get CORALed pages	Jan 23 17:12
schestowitz	Unless ti gets tossed from Digg for downtime (the worst fear), then it’ll cope later on	Jan 23 17:12
schestowitz	it’s at the very top of FP	Jan 23 17:12
schestowitz	Friday afternoon even, not weekend.	Jan 23 17:13
schestowitz	Server is still up. singers crossed	Jan 23 17:14
schestowitz	*fingers	Jan 23 17:14
tacone	i am doing continued refreshes to help bring it down	Jan 23 17:14
tacone	db down	Jan 23 17:18
schestowitz	tacone: nooooooo. :-)	Jan 23 17:19
tacone		Jan 23 17:19
schestowitz	Don’t use the site for the time being	Jan 23 17:19
schestowitz	It’ll stabilise within hours…	Jan 23 17:19
schestowitz	It’s still in Digg	Jan 23 17:20
schestowitz	I’m waiting until it drops off the top	Jan 23 17:20
trmanco	schestowitz, congrats	Jan 23 17:20
trmanco	you just hit the front page of digg	Jan 23 17:20
schestowitz	It’s murder where it’s at the top… like hunreds of thousands DB queries per minute I think.	Jan 23 17:20
trmanco	BN is probably getting hammered right now	Jan 23 17:21
schestowitz	OK, it’s off the top spot now… http://digg.com/general_sciences/Galle…	Jan 23 17:21
schestowitz	trmanco: don’t visit BN now..	Jan 23 17:21
schestowitz	I have one page cached	Jan 23 17:21
trmanco	don’t worry	Jan 23 17:21
trmanco	I won’t	Jan 23 17:21
trmanco		Jan 23 17:21
schestowitz	So if you visit non-cached pages, you drain what’s left up	Jan 23 17:21
trmanco	ok	Jan 23 17:22
trmanco	when the hype is up, I will visit to see the comments	Jan 23 17:22
schestowitz	I’ll tell you the ‘damage’ later… I just stay out of BN for now.	Jan 23 17:22
schestowitz	Regular readers have all the images cached by the Web browser/RSS readers, so it’s no problem either.	Jan 23 17:23
schestowitz	trmanco: I disabled comments	Jan 23 17:23
trmanco	oh ok	Jan 23 17:23
schestowitz	Digg will have comments: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Microsoft_… (mostly hostile crowd or shills that defend MS)	Jan 23 17:23
trmanco	I’ll check them on Digg	Jan 23 17:23
trmanco	yes	Jan 23 17:23
schestowitz	Same as in /.	Jan 23 17:23
trmanco	can’t find the /. post	Jan 23 17:24
schestowitz	I can’t reply to any because the stalkers use this as a chance to throw slime	Jan 23 17:24
schestowitz	http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op…	Jan 23 17:24
schestowitz	Why is glynmoody talking to jackschofield (MS Jack)? I don’t get it……	Jan 23 17:24
schestowitz	Maybe he can reform him.	Jan 23 17:25
trmanco	“Hey submitter, great title!	Jan 23 17:25
schestowitz	http://www.linuxformat.co.uk/modules…	Jan 23 17:25
schestowitz	trmanco: where?	Jan 23 17:26
trmanco	digg	Jan 23 17:26
trmanco	4 minutes ago	Jan 23 17:26
trmanco	the rest gut cut -> /no i am not being sarcastic, it really is a great title!	Jan 23 17:26
schestowitz	Oh, I see now	Jan 23 17:27
tacone	schestowitz: http://www.stefanoforenza.com/interopera…	Jan 23 17:27
schestowitz	trmanco: usually there are only hecklers.	Jan 23 17:27
schestowitz	Yum	Jan 23 17:27
trmanco	like the first one	Jan 23 17:28
schestowitz	Are these the feet of the ‘customers’ coming up from all the cr*?	Jan 23 17:28
trmanco	Yum? as in Yum update?	Jan 23 17:28
trmanco		Jan 23 17:28
schestowitz	Not yum, yast!	Jan 23 17:28
schestowitz	Not yummy, Yastie.	Jan 23 17:28
schestowitz	http://news.opensuse.org/2008/11/21/yast-…	Jan 23 17:29
trmanco		Jan 23 17:30
trmanco	Will it blend?	Jan 23 17:30
tacone	time to go now	Jan 23 17:30
schestowitz	BN still blends with Digg	Jan 23 17:30
tacone	have a nice day/night/whatever	Jan 23 17:30
schestowitz	But it’s near the top of the page. I wait until it drops… I can’t concentrate well in these circumstances.. it’s better to ‘attend’ if you know what I mean..	Jan 23 17:31
schestowitz	It’s like sitting at the corridor when your family member is having an important surgery	Jan 23 17:31
trmanco	tacone, cya	Jan 23 17:33
schestowitz	http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/…	Jan 23 17:33
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schestowitz	yes, cya tacone	Jan 23 17:33
trmanco	schestowitz, I like this guy	Jan 23 17:33
schestowitz	I’ll have to go to the office on Monday to check what happened to my Ubuntu-based workstation	Jan 23 17:34
trmanco	Gary McKinnon, just look what happened just because of other peoples ignorance	Jan 23 17:34
schestowitz	Yes, they need a scapegoat	Jan 23 17:34
schestowitz	They waste their time… there are malicious cr[h]ackers out there grabbing hundreds of millions of PCs	Jan 23 17:35
trmanco	I read the story some time ago, so there where no password on those Windows machine?	Jan 23 17:35
trmanco	were*	Jan 23 17:35
schestowitz	See this bulls*: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/en…	Jan 23 17:35
schestowitz	You know what it is? Probably a last straw.	Jan 23 17:35
schestowitz	But it makes a good headline	Jan 23 17:35
schestowitz	They lives happily and joyfully and ALL BECAUSE OF FACEBOOK things went crazy. It’ll like the abusive husband that shoots a wife because “she moved his headphones” or something… charged hostility can have something minor merely TRIGGER action	Jan 23 17:37
schestowitz	*lived	Jan 23 17:37
trmanco	weird	Jan 23 17:37
trmanco	cool	Jan 23 17:40
trmanco	identica has a new design	Jan 23 17:40
trmanco	looks like they are putting good use to the funding they received las week or so	Jan 23 17:41
schestowitz	Novell is leacving comments in BN again…	Jan 23 17:41
schestowitz	(don’t look)	Jan 23 17:41
schestowitz	The site is slow	Jan 23 17:41
schestowitz	identi.ca needs out support	Jan 23 17:42
schestowitz	Some FOSS people blindly (And foolishly) go to twitter	Jan 23 17:42
schestowitz	They choose convenience over their freedom and data (thinking short term)	Jan 23 17:42
trmanco	“Identi.ca underwent a massive upgrade on Friday 23 Jan. Watch for new features, and enjoy!”	Jan 23 17:43
schestowitz	http://digg.com/linux_unix/Microsoft_T… I can’t read that s* in the comments.	Jan 23 17:43
schestowitz	Microsoft is polluting the big sites with its spinners.	Jan 23 17:43
trmanco	digg’em down	Jan 23 17:43
schestowitz	No, mod-bombing is a trolls’ game	Jan 23 17:43
schestowitz	You can’t play their game	Jan 23 17:43
schestowitz	twitter gets whacked for taking their ‘party line’ against them — nymshifting of sorts.	Jan 23 17:44
schestowitz	“Microsoft can do what they want. They have the right to.”	Jan 23 17:45
schestowitz	Errrrrrrrr… no.	Jan 23 17:45
schestowitz	They are a monopoly	Jan 23 17:45
schestowitz	That’s what antitrust monopolies are for.	Jan 23 17:45
schestowitz	/smonopolies/laws/	Jan 23 17:46
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twitter	modbombing is not a troll’s game, doing it for money with multiple astroturf accounts is. If you see things you don’t like and have the power to express that dislike, you should. Genuine voices should be heard. They are nothing compared to the pros.	Jan 23 18:10
twitter	Here’s an interesting thing from hostile source, Forbes. An unnamed M$ executive complained, “‘The one thing that might have raised eyebrows is: ‘why’re they putting this cloud over our heads for the next 18 months?” — the answer to that question should be obvious which is why he’s unnamed. Party line or fired.	Jan 23 18:11
twitter	It’s more of the same employee abuse that gets you fired for taking photos of Apple computers on the loading dock. http://www.forbes.com/afxnewslimit…	Jan 23 18:12
schestowitz	Hm………	Jan 23 18:12
schestowitz	Your quote lacks suffiecient context.	Jan 23 18:12
schestowitz	” Microsoft’s announcement it will lay off 5,000 in its biggest-ever job-cut rippled through the Seattle area on Thursday, further unnerving residents of an already-bruised city of just over 3 million.”	Jan 23 18:13
schestowitz	Oh, I seee.. so it’s a rant	Jan 23 18:13
schestowitz	Some wife of someone linked to BN some months ago, IIRC, because her husband got an offer from MS	Jan 23 18:13
schestowitz	Microsoft knew that in order to attract talent it must put up an illusion of infinite growth and invicibivlity	Jan 23 18:14
schestowitz	ATM, it’s left with no money in the bank	Jan 23 18:14
schestowitz	It spent $60 on ‘steroid’ (artificial,fake boost)	Jan 23 18:14
schestowitz	It’s running out of cash to spend now	Jan 23 18:14
twitter	Ah, the context is that they did not tell everyone who is fired. Some were told, others will find out later.	Jan 23 18:15
schestowitz	Had it bought Yahoo! (and entered debt), it would have over 100,000 employees	Jan 23 18:15
twitter	Everyone has to work their ass off and do as they are told.	Jan 23 18:15
schestowitz	So it would brag about “huge growth” and higher revenue	Jan 23 18:15
schestowitz	The revenue rise, as I’ve been pointing out for years, is to do with infinite purchases and depletion of savings	Jan 23 18:15
schestowitz	Gerard’s comments in his blog about “MS asking for bailout” always amuses me	Jan 23 18:16
schestowitz	“But OBAMA! OMG! We must get tah moneys now, or else we can’t delver patches to those poor kids in Bolivia…”	Jan 23 18:16
twitter	Why not ask for money to buy successful competitors – failed banks got it.	Jan 23 18:16
schestowitz	That’s why they want medical data	Jan 23 18:17
twitter	M$ also lobbied for the banks because the banks are big (22%) customers.	Jan 23 18:17
schestowitz	Dependency and banruptcy protection	Jan 23 18:17
schestowitz	I read this in 2006 or 2007… they try to buy ‘hold’ of major things like Library of Congress to make the whole system dependent on them. They receive ‘protection’ this way	Jan 23 18:17
schestowitz	SGI is a good analogous example..	Jan 23 18:17
schestowitz	http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer…	Jan 23 18:18
twitter	We shall see. RMS does not like the number of industry flunkies Obama has promoted.	Jan 23 18:18
schestowitz	Quote/message circulating these days: “it’s not you, it’s everyone”	Jan 23 18:18
schestowitz	You saw RMS on appointments, eh?	Jan 23 18:19
twitter	He’s had several over the last week or so.	Jan 23 18:19
twitter	I check RMS’s political notes every day. They are always interesting.	Jan 23 18:19
schestowitz	Not widely read though	Jan 23 18:21
schestowitz	http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/ne… (Sun chief prescribes open source for US government) It’s bizarre that they ask Scott “free puppy”	Jan 23 18:26
PetoKraus	schestowitz: who’s data do we want? http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09…	Jan 23 18:27
PetoKraus	let’s split it on a half	Jan 23 18:27
schestowitz	Will it be cheque or debit card?	Jan 23 18:29
schestowitz	Matt’s laptops coughs up dust.. http://foocorp.org/products/exploringfree…	Jan 23 18:30
MinceR	lol title	Jan 23 18:30
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schestowitz	Hi, ecrist	Jan 23 18:31
ecrist	howdy.	Jan 23 18:31
ecrist	gratz to twitter on being dugg	Jan 23 18:31
ecrist		Jan 23 18:31
ecrist	or you	Jan 23 18:31
ecrist	you it looks.	Jan 23 18:32
schestowitz	MD5 attack on Microsoft’s Authenticode < http://www.heise.de/english/news… >	Jan 23 18:32
schestowitz	Yes, twitter contributed the text from the Wal-Mart exhibit though	Jan 23 18:33
PetoKraus	it looks i’m gonna proxy my traffic from now on	Jan 23 18:33
schestowitz	PetoKraus: [Ho]omer does that	Jan 23 18:33
schestowitz	PetoKraus: but you know what they say … If you care about privacy, then you’re a child-molesting terrorist	Jan 23 18:34
PetoKraus	honestly, this country is in deep shits and only thing the people can think about is protecting children from seeing nipples, penises and vaginas	Jan 23 18:34
PetoKraus	yeah sure	Jan 23 18:34
schestowitz	Monitoring is about contreol	Jan 23 18:34
ecrist	like the ruling a couple weeks ago involving cartoon ‘child’ porn?	Jan 23 18:34
schestowitz	Long ago, ‘responsible man’ (elites) realised the need to control the minds	Jan 23 18:34
PetoKraus	ecrist: i lost track, to be honest	Jan 23 18:34
schestowitz	When people go out of control, then it’s trouble and sources of power can be overthrown	Jan 23 18:35
schestowitz	ecrist: yes, even Simpsons	Jan 23 18:35
schestowitz	Named Simpsons -> Go to jail	Jan 23 18:35
schestowitz	Let me find it..	Jan 23 18:35
ecrist	MD5 is broken.	Jan 23 18:35
schestowitz	Here: http://www.itwire.com/conten…	Jan 23 18:36
schestowitz	“	Jan 23 18:36
schestowitz	Yet, as an even more recent case shows, the law itself can be a victim of hysteria. In a judgement handed down in the NSW Supreme Court yesterday, a man who was caught with cartoons on his computer depicting The Simpsons children engaged in sex acts was convicted for possessing child pornography.”	Jan 23 18:36
schestowitz	“Not to put too fine a point on this, calling lewd Simpsons cartoons child pornography is getting into extremely dangerous territory. Child pornography, by any sensible definition of the term, involves the exploitation of real children. Kids have feelings and get hurt. Cartoon characters, no matter how depraved the imagination of the artist who draws them, are scribbles of a pen.”	Jan 23 18:37
ecrist	aye, who hasn’t wanted to see Lisa and Bart go at it.	Jan 23 18:37
schestowitz	“Can crude cartoons of the Simpsons children depicted as described be called child pornography? As I read elsewhere, can a big stick figure depicted as engaging in a sexual act with a small stick figure be described as pedophilia? Can a cartoon depicting Elmer Fudd engaged in a sex act with Bugs Bunny be described as bestiality?”	Jan 23 18:37
ecrist	or the smurfs.	Jan 23 18:37
PetoKraus	i wonder	Jan 23 18:37
PetoKraus	copyright is under trade law, right?	Jan 23 18:38
PetoKraus	and copyright itself is a contract, right?	Jan 23 18:38
schestowitz	ecrist: I guess a figureman depiction of intercourse can take you to jail	Jan 23 18:38
ecrist	schestowitz: my guess is that the small stick figure is a midget, which makes it even better.	Jan 23 18:38
PetoKraus	so if I go to the cinema and use a camcorder to screen the video, i’m breaking a contract I accepted with the cinema, right?	Jan 23 18:38
PetoKraus	IE, i am not doing any criminal offence	Jan 23 18:38
schestowitz	PetoKraus: why did you do that?	Jan 23 18:39
PetoKraus	the cops shouldn’t be able to put me in jail	Jan 23 18:39
PetoKraus	schestowitz: i am planning on doing so	Jan 23 18:39
PetoKraus	just go in the cinema	Jan 23 18:39
PetoKraus	mount camcorder on a tripod	Jan 23 18:39
schestowitz	Brain capacity not enough to store the film?	Jan 23 18:39
schestowitz	You know, singing a song you listen to can have you fined… maybe jailed	Jan 23 18:39
PetoKraus	and shoot the sequence of “you are forbidden to blah blah, it’s an offence and you may end up in jail”	Jan 23 18:39
PetoKraus	cause that’s just ridiculous	Jan 23 18:40
schestowitz	MPAA won’t like that.	Jan 23 18:40
PetoKraus	i don’t care, i’m in UK	Jan 23 18:40
schestowitz	If it’s not good for MPAA revenue, then sooner or later they buy some laws	Jan 23 18:40
schestowitz	First they do the States cause it’s easy (coruptible politicians)	Jan 23 18:40
schestowitz	Then they argue for “harmonisation”	Jan 23 18:40
PetoKraus	i need to learn more about this copytight violation	Jan 23 18:40
schestowitz	As in, well… now we have to make the laws consistent…and the USA is the bestest country in the world, so the UK will follow its lead	Jan 23 18:41
PetoKraus	well it’s not gonna happen in a day	Jan 23 18:41
schestowitz	PetoKraus: no-one would care for it if there’s a dead pixel.	Jan 23 18:41
PetoKraus		Jan 23 18:41
PetoKraus	but you know what I mean	Jan 23 18:42
schestowitz	Interpolate around it	Jan 23 18:42
PetoKraus	i am OFFENDED by being threatened	Jan 23 18:42
PetoKraus	you know	Jan 23 18:42
schestowitz	Yes, you’re a kid	Jan 23 18:42
schestowitz	Listen to adults	Jan 23 18:42
schestowitz	They do what’s good for you	Jan 23 18:42
PetoKraus	sure	Jan 23 18:42
PetoKraus	ridiculous	Jan 23 18:43
PetoKraus	though the movie was good	Jan 23 18:43
PetoKraus	(Seven Pounds)	Jan 23 18:43
schestowitz	In the future, there will be a subs model for films	Jan 23 18:44
schestowitz	There already is	Jan 23 18:44
schestowitz	But they’ll try to DRM and expire it	Jan 23 18:44
schestowitz	Forget about storage in media… one that prevails	Jan 23 18:45
schestowitz	You access content like you buy gas… per hour/whatever…	Jan 23 18:45
schestowitz	Artificial scarcity pays more.	Jan 23 18:45
PetoKraus	well	Jan 23 18:46
PetoKraus	my gas bill was, you know, pretty low	Jan 23 18:46
schestowitz	Google Q4 Earnings Plummet, Revenue up 18% < http://www.pcworld.com/article/158176/goo… >	Jan 23 18:46
PetoKraus	ok	Jan 23 18:47
PetoKraus	i am gonna watch my illegal copy of House MD now	Jan 23 18:48
PetoKraus	ttyl	Jan 23 18:48
twitter	ouch. earnings down on 18% rise on revenue? they must be investing in something big	Jan 23 18:48
schestowitz	The FOSDEM boycott is working. http://www.news.software.coop/i…	Jan 23 18:50
schestowitz	Another blow for NOVL	Jan 23 18:50
schestowitz	It’s just OSDEM	Jan 23 18:51
schestowitz	http://www.computerworlduk.com/communit… “	Jan 23 18:52
schestowitz	A little less hypocrisy please said on Friday, 23 January 2009 This site carries advertising from proprietary software vendors. It has a category for Novell: http://www.computerworlduk.com/technology/o… Yet somehow people don’t have an ethical problem reading it.”	Jan 23 18:52
schestowitz	Seems like the sort of comment that would come from NOVL employees	Jan 23 18:52
schestowitz	“A little less hypocrisy pleas” vs “Baby in the Bath Water”	Jan 23 18:52
schestowitz	AMD Reports 33 Percent Drop in Q4 Revenue < http://www.pcworld.com/article/158184/amd_… >	Jan 23 18:54
schestowitz	Obama Administration Frustrated by Old White House PCs < http://www.pcworld.com/article/15815… >	Jan 23 18:54
twitter	I’ll bet. Think Outlook and IIS are the reasons he’s using Gmail?	Jan 23 18:55
trmanco	562 digg	Jan 23 18:57
trmanco	diggs*	Jan 23 18:57
schestowitz	Yes, it’s like to go past 1000 I reckon…	Jan 23 18:59
schestowitz	I wouldn’t be able to check what was happending.	Jan 23 18:59
schestowitz	Much of the work is done by Coral.	Jan 23 18:59
schestowitz	I could try to extrapolate to just estimate how many people witnessed Microsoft’s monopoly abuse, which is the sole intention of these posts.	Jan 23 19:00
schestowitz	BN comment re Apple: “Anyone old enough to remember their original ‘look and feel’ lawsuit over windows (1?) knows they’re one of the nastiest, litigious pieces of work in existance. I know i will never own any piece of apple-made hardware because they’re simply arseholes.”	Jan 23 19:01
schestowitz	“It’s annoying that MS is indirectly hampering the clean up the Bush legacy. These are records that will determine whether the junta is packed off to The Hague for further action or dealt with domestically.”	Jan 23 19:02
schestowitz	http://www.osnews.com/story/20838/Microsoft_UK_… (Microsoft UK Launches DRM-Riddled Music Store, Doomed to Fail)	Jan 23 19:03
schestowitz	Says MS/Windows fan: “Microsoft is laying off 5000 people, and looking for other means to cut costs? I say, quit this pointless music store before it’s even open, and because of this saving, maybe a few more folk can keep their jobs. I’d say, get your priorities straight.”	Jan 23 19:04
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schestowitz	Sony Stock Slides 7 Percent on Loss Forecast < http://www.pcworld.com/article/158203/sony_s… >	Jan 23 19:04
schestowitz	Gang tries to tap Japanese bank’s computers < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/59… > “A GANG of techie bandits plotted to steal £229 million from company accounts by hacking into the Sumitomo Mitsui Banking Corporation computers in London, a court has heard.”	Jan 23 19:07
schestowitz	Another one bites the dust: Memory maker files for insolvency < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/5… >	Jan 23 19:08
schestowitz	Another FOSS victory in Europe: IT: Venice region settles on open source and open standards < http://www.osor.eu/news/it-venice-region-se… >	Jan 23 19:12
twitter	Roy. I remember you saying that M$ wrote letters to get you fired but can’t find a link to it. How would you express that? It would be easier if I had some exact words for my search.	Jan 23 19:12
schestowitz	Sarkoism attempt to divert kids to mainstream ‘media’: http://translate.google.com/translate?h…	Jan 23 19:14
schestowitz	Not Microsoft wrote them	Jan 23 19:14
schestowitz	They are not tactless	Jan 23 19:14
schestowitz	It’s like the Ou incident…	Jan 23 19:15
twitter	Whoever wrote, the letters were sent.	Jan 23 19:15
twitter	Got link?	Jan 23 19:15
schestowitz	Witch hunt.	Jan 23 19:15
schestowitz	I could find some in USENET	Jan 23 19:15
twitter	Cool	Jan 23 19:16
schestowitz	It happened several times over the years.	Jan 23 19:16
schestowitz	Sample for you here (first go at it): http://groups.google.com/groups?sourceid=mozclient&…	Jan 23 19:16
twitter	ick.	Jan 23 19:19
schestowitz	Even religion embraces the open Web… http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009…	Jan 23 19:19
schestowitz	Would you believe this: AOL Sites Saw Solid Growth In 2008 < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/0… >	Jan 23 19:20
schestowitz	http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/01/2… “A Belkin employee was recently busted offering payment for positive reviews of a Belkin network router—whether or not the reviewer had even seen one—and asking reviewers to vote down negative comments. This offer was, using some swift stategery, posted on Amazon’s Mechanical Turk website.”	Jan 23 19:21
schestowitz	/s/Belkin/MS/?	Jan 23 19:21
schestowitz	Mod-bombing…	Jan 23 19:21
schestowitz	” This is starting to sound like a case for the feds. And it’s also a real blow to the trust and transparency needed for the user-generated Web 2.0 concept to truly succeed.”	Jan 23 19:21
schestowitz	This would make Microsoft think twice before pulling these tricks, even if it proxifies this garbage to Edelman and other such criminals that are better off in prison, not society.	Jan 23 19:22
schestowitz	Global warming threatens forests, study says < http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/science/… >	Jan 23 19:23
schestowitz	World’s dangers are probably different though because nuclear threat outweighs that of the environment, which is a slower process.	Jan 23 19:25
schestowitz	Jimbo Wales ends death by Wikipedia < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/22/wik… > “Then, a few minutes later, 91-year-old Robert Byrd died his own Wikideath. He too left the luncheon early due to “a medical issue.” But as with Kennedy, Wikireports of his death were greatly exaggerated.”	Jan 23 19:28
schestowitz	It’s not as though Bloomberg is more accurate. it announced Steve Jobs “dead” prematurely last year.	Jan 23 19:28
schestowitz	Nice photo.. http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/01/23… (World’s smallest working fuel cell developed)	Jan 23 19:30
schestowitz	LOL http://img170.imageshack.us/img1…	Jan 23 19:32
schestowitz	It’s happening again!! New Jobs health hoax targets Wired ” It is a hoax, Wired reported Thursday – an article that looks like a story on Wired.com and that claims Apple CEO Steve Jobs has had a heart attack.” < http://news.zdnet.com/2100-959… >	Jan 23 19:34
schestowitz	Wow. This is nice: http://www.robweir.com/blog/2009/0…	Jan 23 19:35
schestowitz	I provoked a bit… “That’s a really nice cloud. Try it on an IBM speech “innovation….high end…fiscal…Web 2.0… open… intuitive…Lotus…”	Jan 23 19:39
twitter	Bush used GNU/Linux for his real mail. That’s why his IT guy’s death was such a scandal.	Jan 23 19:40
twitter	I think these “technological dark ages” stories, while true to an extent, are also a cover up. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conten…	Jan 23 19:40
twitter	Obama is not going to prosecute for wiretapping and other crimes.	Jan 23 19:41
twitter	I’m afraid that he does not want Bush email about Iraq to come out.	Jan 23 19:41
PetoKraus	hmm	Jan 23 19:47
PetoKraus	“However, ripping music from CDs to another format, such as MP3, is currently illegal.”	Jan 23 19:47
PetoKraus	fucking stupid™ british law	Jan 23 19:47
PetoKraus	“In January 2008 the government proposed changes to copyright law that would legalise copying for personal use.”	Jan 23 19:48
PetoKraus	well duh	Jan 23 19:48
PetoKraus	* before a magistrates’ Court, the penalties for distributing unauthorised files are a maximum fine of £5,000 and/or six months imprisonment;	Jan 23 19:49
PetoKraus	* in the Crown Court, the penalties for distributing unauthorised files are an unlimited fine and/or up to 10 years imprisonment.	Jan 23 19:49
PetoKraus	you have to be fucking joking	Jan 23 19:49
PetoKraus	for copyright breach in prison?	Jan 23 19:49
PetoKraus	is that a murder or what?	Jan 23 19:49
twitter	unlimited fine? looking for another bail out.	Jan 23 19:50
PetoKraus	i can imagine this situation in a prison cell – “So, why are you here, jackie?” “Well, I cut the throat of 5 kids” “And you jimmie?” “Well, I downloaded discography of Nine Inch Nails off torrents…”	Jan 23 19:51
schestowitz	Obamaism+BSA Ha!	Jan 23 19:57
schestowitz	Reader thinks: “Yeah, getting that BSA guy on the cabinet is a real bite on the small head. From there he can work a lot of damage.” That’s why we need to expose them. Like light on cockroaches… they can’t do their thing when you know who they serve and why….	Jan 23 19:57
schestowitz	twitter: if Obama prosecuted (or was responsible for legal action), the States would go loony	Jan 23 19:58
schestowitz	All the anti-Blacks would call for his heads or something… remember that Bush is popular among a lot of the population, which tends to be hostile towards another part	Jan 23 19:59
schestowitz	PetoKraus: white-collar crime=OK; making backup=”Offa with their head!”	Jan 23 20:00
PetoKraus	yeah	Jan 23 20:00
PetoKraus	it’s ridiculous	Jan 23 20:00
PetoKraus	50 years on sound recording since first broadcasting (or publishing, or creation, latest applies)	Jan 23 20:01
schestowitz	It’s class-based treatment	Jan 23 20:01
schestowitz	In many cases, autocracy is used to weaken classes.	Jan 23 20:01
schestowitz	Funny thing is, illegalisation of some drugs is said to be tied to classes and their suppression	Jan 23 20:01
PetoKraus	70 years after the death of author	Jan 23 20:01
schestowitz	“We are producers.. you are consumer”	Jan 23 20:02
schestowitz	“We broadcast.. you watch the Tube”… [of course we now have YOUtube that empowers YOU]	Jan 23 20:02
schestowitz	PetoKraus: new: There’s Only So Many Ways To Combine Chords… < http://techdirt.com/articles/… >	Jan 23 20:04
schestowitz	It has videos	Jan 23 20:04
schestowitz	“Then, of course, many folks have seen the comedian who points out how many songs are based on the same basic progression as Pachelbel’s Canon in D” YOu CAN’T use that beat. It’s MINE.	Jan 23 20:04
schestowitz	Go ahead and sue Zulu tribes for ‘using’ you beats	Jan 23 20:04
schestowitz	“Notice how MS is still doing the old dodge of giving preferential placement to it’s own stuff on the DeskTop. Notice how you can’t alter the ‘order pictures online’ box or add new entries:” http://www.financialdirector.co.uk/compute…	Jan 23 20:07
twitter	Prosecution, with evidence, is what justice demands. Ignoring evidence of wrongdoing is loony.	Jan 23 20:07
schestowitz	“Open any folder containing image files in Windows XP and you will see the Picture Tasks menu displayed on the left-hand side of the folder window. The options here are designed to help you manage your photos.”	Jan 23 20:07
schestowitz	“Microsoft partners with ExtraFilm, Jessops and Bonusprint to offer this service. To use a different service, you’ll have to visit its website yourself .”	Jan 23 20:07
schestowitz	What if I don’t pay criminal establishments to rent WIndows?	Jan 23 20:07
twitter	then you are too bright to need point and shoot, just works digital cameras explained to you.	Jan 23 20:09
twitter	you probably also don’t want prints but that’s another story.	Jan 23 20:09
twitter	bbl	Jan 23 20:09
schestowitz	“Server Load 6.55 (4 cpus)”	Jan 23 20:11
schestowitz	“Memory Used 46.5 %”	Jan 23 20:11
schestowitz	It has calmed down a bit	Jan 23 20:11
schestowitz	I’ll remove the caching service before I go to bed.	Jan 23 20:11
schestowitz	At least BN is responsive again.	Jan 23 20:12
schestowitz	“The Wikimedia Foundation have published a draft plan for the process of switching from the GNU Free Documentaion Licence (GFDL) over to the Creative Commons Attribution Share Alike 3.0 Licence (CC-BY-SA) for Wikipedia. The change in licensing was made possible by the publication of the GFDL 1.3, which was itself prompted by an initiative of the Wikimedia Foundation” http://www.heise-online.co.uk/open/Wiki…	Jan 23 20:18
schestowitz	nge–/news/112464	Jan 23 20:18
schestowitz	http://www.heise-online.co.uk/open/Wikimedi… That’s not so nice… less GNU… more CC…	Jan 23 20:18
schestowitz	FOSS blogs cover MS demise. I’m glad someone pointed out that in Microsoft speak, “netbook” means “Linux threat”. Microsoft had no choice but to give Windows for $5 apiece just to prevent GNU/Linux from gaining bigger (critical) mass. This is monopoly abuse (like the EDGI programme) and the EU Commission should pursue legal action.	Jan 23 20:29
schestowitz	Bdale Garbee had his beard taken off by Linus……… looks like some silly ritual.. bad PR http://www.flickr.com/photos/jzb…	Jan 23 20:32
schestowitz	Sun is laying off another 1,300 people	Jan 23 20:34
schestowitz	Newstradamus Reports: Navy Nailed By Virus < http://www.linuxjournal.com/con… >	Jan 23 20:37
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schestowitz	Mac’s influence could wane < http://www.siliconvalley.com/news/… >	Jan 23 20:54
schestowitz	“Purportedly left for dead and mocked by pundits..” http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/01/21… But it does seem to have disappeared	Jan 23 20:58
schestowitz	Censorship: http://costadelgangster.blogspot.com/2…	Jan 23 21:00
schestowitz	http://www.indexoncensorship.org/2009/01/2… “The murder of Anastasiya Baburova (right) and Stanislav Markelov is part of a brutal trend. Russians who stand up for human rights may pay with their lives, says Tanya Lokshina”	Jan 23 21:02
schestowitz	http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-nov-feb.ht… “Obama has appointed an economic team intimately tied to hedge funds and the deregulation that led us to depression. His choices also suggest he will do nothing to tax the rich heavily on their main source of income, capital gains.”	Jan 23 21:03
schestowitz	A(nother) call for putting Bush on trial: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/18/p…	Jan 23 21:05
schestowitz	Holy hell. Todd Bishop has just posted like 5 damage control blog posts (in one day) about Microsoft layoffs. Who are those spinners kidding?	Jan 23 21:17
schestowitz	BN is in CNET now.. http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3…	Jan 23 21:20
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schestowitz	“Jobs were cut in various business groups, but most reports from employees seem to suggest that the company’s Entertainment and Devices Division, which is responsible for the Xbox, Windows Mobile, and the Zune, has been hit hardest.” http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.co…	Jan 23 21:32
schestowitz	This blogger wrote no less than 3 damage control posts for the Vole today. They must be scared to see the company they write about eroding (share price HALVED).	Jan 23 21:34
schestowitz	Who started this whole “year of Linux” thing? Apple has no such thing… http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/will_e… “So no, I am not going to say 2009 is or will be “the year of the Linux desktop” “	Jan 23 21:38
schestowitz	“Well, it is the old story that it is easier to bash than do something about the problem. Novell kept whining to me at work wanting to get Novell SLED into the organisation I work for – and yet ignored the legitimate issues that I have with their product…” http://www.newmobilecomputing.com/thread?345073	Jan 23 21:49
schestowitz	When Reform Meets Reality in Washington DC < http://www.prwatch.org/node/8152 >	Jan 23 22:02
schestowitz	http://www.lessig.org/blog/20…	Jan 23 22:05
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*PetoKraus np: Pink Floyd – Money (Dark Side Of The Moon)		Jan 23 22:13
schestowitz	http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?… Subject: It is only going to get worse. [for Microsoft] “As we start seeing ARM based $100 net books the profit margin that MS operates on will just evaporate. There is no room for a $100 operating system on hardware that just costs $100.”	Jan 23 22:29
schestowitz	http://www.zdnet.com.au/insight/software/soa…	Jan 23 22:33
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schestowitz	OASIS Committee approves ODF 1.0 Errata 01 < http://opendocument.xml.org/news/oasis-co… ?	Jan 23 22:37
trmanco	http://darthchaosofrspw.wordpress.com/200…	Jan 23 22:47
trmanco	found this on COLA	Jan 23 22:47
schestowitz	Thanks.	Jan 23 22:48
schestowitz	Miguel writes about Microsoft employees who use Mono. http://tirania.org/blog/archive… Go-Mono-OO	Jan 23 22:53
trmanco	I have to start reading Comes VS Microsoft	Jan 23 22:54
schestowitz	Please	Jan 23 22:54
schestowitz	Help me with the Wiki	Jan 23 22:54
schestowitz	If you read Comes, be sure to leave a mark	Jan 23 22:54
schestowitz	We need to translate Exhibit numbers into a one-line description at least	Jan 23 22:55
schestowitz	Many sorting them by topics, even quotes from them.	Jan 23 22:55
schestowitz	http://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?ti…	Jan 23 22:55
trmanco	ok	Jan 23 22:57
trmanco	when I have some time I will start reading!	Jan 23 22:57
trmanco	the trolls lost all the energy they use to have	Jan 23 22:59
schestowitz	Bingo	Jan 23 22:59
trmanco	things have been slightly calm this week IMO	Jan 23 22:59
schestowitz	Don’t say this in COLA	Jan 23 22:59
schestowitz	It provokes them	Jan 23 22:59
trmanco	meh, don’t worry I won’t	Jan 23 23:00
schestowitz	Don’t trest with total humours the assertion that layoffs play a role here.	Jan 23 23:00
schestowitz	*trea; humour	Jan 23 23:00
trmanco	ok	Jan 23 23:01
schestowitz	Matter of fact is, Microsoft but off many contracts with outside groups, including those which it uses to AstroTurf	Jan 23 23:01
schestowitz	I’ve just gone through almost all 220 comments in Digg (on the BN post). The early ones are mostly trolls with other trolls ‘chained’ onto them. Very typical. Later came the ‘real’ people.	Jan 23 23:01
schestowitz	I’m disbling remote caching now.	Jan 23 23:02
trmanco	I still have to take a peak	Jan 23 23:02
trmanco	I haven’t read them all	Jan 23 23:02
trmanco	stuff has calmed down?	Jan 23 23:02
trmanco	that means I can go check some posts now	Jan 23 23:02
trmanco	right?	Jan 23 23:02
schestowitz	BN in the news: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Micro…	Jan 23 23:02
schestowitz	trmanco: yes, I think so	Jan 23 23:03
trmanco	ok	Jan 23 23:03
schestowitz	Server Load 2.85 (4 cpus)	Jan 23 23:03
trmanco	shared?	Jan 23 23:03
schestowitz	It was 6 with the caching enabled (jobs on queue).	Jan 23 23:03
schestowitz	Yes	Jan 23 23:03
trmanco	hmm, not bad	Jan 23 23:03
schestowitz	AFAIK	Jan 23 23:03
trmanco	my host should be low	Jan 23 23:04
schestowitz	If it gets slow, let me know and I’ll re-enable caching	Jan 23 23:04
trmanco	like 0.50 of load or so	Jan 23 23:04
trmanco	ok	Jan 23 23:04
schestowitz	It was not responding at times, despite the caching.	Jan 23 23:04
schestowitz	logger_bot doesn’t talk to me. I’ll need to visit him.	Jan 23 23:04
trmanco	lol	Jan 23 23:06
trmanco	por bot hasn’t had rest	Jan 23 23:06
schestowitz	It did very little	Jan 23 23:06
trmanco	give him is weekend off	Jan 23 23:06
schestowitz	Got trail, numb and died out.	Jan 23 23:06
schestowitz	Seriously now, I don’t know if it’s a network issue, electric failure, Ubuntu issue, h/w issue… it just sends nothing back. I’m visiting the office on Monday anyway.	Jan 23 23:07
trmanco	lets just hope it is nothing too serious	Jan 23 23:08
schestowitz	> <trmanco> give him is weekend off; it’s /her/	Jan 23 23:08
schestowitz	She was working without issued for 4 months	Jan 23 23:08
trmanco	Oops!	Jan 23 23:08
schestowitz	But it’s good ammunition for trolls and such.	Jan 23 23:08
schestowitz	Not many Windows boxes will just run and stay online for so long, without any close attention	Jan 23 23:09
schestowitz	It’s likely to be still up… network issue or lack of UPS	Jan 23 23:09
schestowitz	Microsoft Blogs.. it’s sad to see them… they’re like a family hugging about the misery of some in a Volish funeral.	Jan 23 23:10
schestowitz	The ‘Fun Times’ are over and they know it.	Jan 23 23:11
*DarkUranium has quit (“Leaving”)		Jan 23 23:12
schestowitz	benJIman: did Ian Bruce leave Novell?	Jan 23 23:13
benJIman	I don’t know who he is.	Jan 23 23:13
schestowitz	PR Director	Jan 23 23:14
schestowitz	He no longer edit’s Jeff’s blog	Jan 23 23:14
schestowitz	*edits	Jan 23 23:14
benJIman	There are some really good microsoft blogs like Raymond Chen’s and Eric Lippert’s.	Jan 23 23:14
schestowitz	Novell brags about poisonware: http://www.novell.com/prblogs/?p=535	Jan 23 23:15
schestowitz	I don’t read these blogs	Jan 23 23:15
benJIman	Could be worse, could be flash.	Jan 23 23:18
schestowitz	Oh crap. Server Load 20.09 (4 cpus)	Jan 23 23:23
schestowitz	Back to Coral	Jan 23 23:25
schestowitz	http://www.againstmonopoly.org/index.php… “Here is the prediction I’m hesitant about. Always in the past when software with substantial installed base has finally been supplanted the fall has not been gradual: Lotus and Wordperfect went from world-beaters to also rans in just a few years. I think Microsoft may surprise us by falling equally fast. There may not be much left in two years time.”	Jan 23 23:26
schestowitz	http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/2009012… “Client software felt the slump in PC sales, and was further harmed by the shift to netbooks; many of these run Linux, which helps Microsoft not at all.”	Jan 23 23:33
schestowitz	MS fans site: “Search engines be da**ed, it’s the OS that generates money – if the world switches to linux, it will switch to OpenOffice too.” < http://caps.fool.com/blogs/viewpost.aspx?bp… > Sunset for Motley Fool along with the Microsoft ‘press’?	Jan 23 23:39
schestowitz	http://www.crn.com/software/212902058 “Microsoft, like much of the IT industry, was caught off-guard by the rapid rise of the netbook category, but moved quickly to offer a netbook-specific version of XP Home to stem the tide of Linux on netbooks. When one considers that getting some revenue is better than getting none, that was a wise move.”	Jan 23 23:41
schestowitz	http://reddevnews.com/news/article… “”Microsoft can’t charge $80 or $100 when there’s Linux for free on netbooks,” Rosoff said. On regular PC sales, Microsoft’s profit margins are typically about 70 percent to 80 percent, he explained.”	Jan 23 23:41
*r0ver (n=r0ver@200.68.91.21) has left #boycottnovell		Jan 23 23:42
schestowitz	Mixing the GPL-hostile Gates with Linux. Huh?? http://www.pcworld.com/article/158208/a_great_tim…	Jan 23 23:46
MinceR	and then extend…	Jan 23 23:47
schestowitz	Sort of..	Jan 23 23:47
schestowitz	He writes provocative things (Phil Shapiro), but mixing FOSS with this controversial fund oft Gates is bad…	Jan 23 23:48
schestowitz	OpenStreetMap .. http://www.opensource.org/node/383 “	Jan 23 23:56
schestowitz	I’ve recently taken on a new job, after 17 years of consultancy. “	Jan 23 23:56