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03.09.09

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: March 8th, 2009

Posted in IRC Logs at 3:03 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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trmanco all asleep? Mar 08 00:13
trmanco :-P Mar 08 00:13
PetoKraus i’m heer Mar 08 00:13
PetoKraus *here Mar 08 00:13
trmanco schestowitz, went to bed early today :-P Mar 08 00:14
trmanco PetoKraus, are you a programmer? Mar 08 00:16
PetoKraus no thanks, i don’t smoke. Mar 08 00:17
trmanco meh Mar 08 00:17
PetoKraus :) Mar 08 00:17
trmanco ok Mar 08 00:17
trmanco :-P Mar 08 00:17
PetoKraus it depends. Mar 08 00:17
PetoKraus i know bits. Mar 08 00:17
trmanco 01001100 10001101 01010001 Mar 08 00:18
trmanco you smoke this? :-P Mar 08 00:19
PetoKraus hex would be easier, you know Mar 08 00:19
trmanco 0×65 Mar 08 00:19
PetoKraus are these three signed or unsigned? Mar 08 00:20
PetoKraus and ones or twos complement Mar 08 00:20
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PetoKraus (and since i remember how to do only one of these four options, 75% i’m screwed ) Mar 08 00:21
trmanco I have no idea, I just typed in some number and a letter Mar 08 00:22
trmanco numbers* Mar 08 00:23
trmanco I’m starting to “eat” letters… Mar 08 00:23
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seller_liar another win for floss Mar 08 00:25
seller_liar bluej and greenfoot opensource now Mar 08 00:25
seller_liar http://www.bluej.org/news/open… Mar 08 00:25
PetoKraus gplv2? Mar 08 00:35
PetoKraus nice Mar 08 00:35
seller_liar yes Mar 08 00:37
seller_liar +classpath Mar 08 00:38
PetoKraus well it’s not a terrible exception, is it. Mar 08 00:38
seller_liar PetoKraus: It’s the same of sun java Mar 08 00:39
PetoKraus yup Mar 08 00:39
seller_liar PetoKraus: It’s a lot better than bsd Mar 08 00:39
PetoKraus right Mar 08 00:40
PetoKraus good night now Mar 08 00:40
PetoKraus ;) Mar 08 00:40
seller_liar bye Mar 08 00:40
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MinceR gn Mar 08 01:24
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twitter Comrades! Mar 08 03:33
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schestowitz Morning. Mar 08 06:25
NeonFL0SS morning Mar 08 06:29
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schestowitz Shoe reportedly thrown at Iranian president Ahmadinejad http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/… Mar 08 06:43
schestowitz Wall Street’s Best Investment II: 12 Deregulatory Steps to Financial Meltdown http://lists.essential.org/piper… Mar 08 06:43
schestowitz Microsoft pretends to be hosting the “unamerican” event (anti-Linux):Event: Microsoft and Open Source working together http://venturebeat.com/2009/03/06/e… Mar 08 06:50
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schestowitz :-( Yahoo CEO Bartz won’t talk publicly with Microsoft < http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/provide… >. Why even talk to a convicted monopolist to begin with? Mar 08 07:03
schestowitz Google, Yahoo!, Microsoft urged not to censor search < http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/articl… > Mar 08 07:05
schestowitz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kS75UXdfE0 Mar 08 07:13
schestowitz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsIhwGpQl6E&NR=1 Mar 08 07:19
schestowitz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX9da… “Sources I have read and watched say it’ll last till 2015 before things start to get better.” Mar 08 07:26
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schestowitz The Microsoft shill Preston Gralla is labeling Google a “monopolist” (i.e. abuser).Gee, what a a surprise < http://blogs.computerworld.com/google_versus_… >. Seems like there a succession for the Enderle shill. Mar 08 07:55
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schestowitz Microsoft’s legalised bribery event (lobbying) called “celebrates Europe” http://www.techradar.com/news/computi… Ah Gads! What a spin and brainwash… Mar 08 08:00
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schestowitz http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art… “Some Americans are learning a jarring lesson about unemployment as they prepare their tax returns.” Mar 08 08:28
schestowitz Wage cuts at Microsoft provoke protest < http://www.upi.com/Business_News/2009/03… >. Equivalent of laying off 10-20% of them. Mar 08 08:30
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schestowitz PetoKraus: Microsoft patents BlueJ < http://www.bluej.org/mrt/?p=21 > Mar 08 11:03
schestowitz Update: Response to BlueJ Patent Issues < http://blogs.msdn.com/danielfe/archive/2007/01… > Mar 08 11:04
PetoKraus rets Mar 08 11:04
PetoKraus :/ Mar 08 11:04
*PetoKraus np: Frank Klepacki – C&C Thang (Command & Conquer) Mar 08 11:38
PetoKraus ohgosh, that was long time ago. Mar 08 11:38
schestowitz China owns America (USA): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4CnKDv… Mar 08 11:39
schestowitz According to this, national bankruptcy seems possible. Mar 08 11:41
schestowitz But Capitol Hill won’t talk about it.. Mar 08 11:41
schestowitz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojsN8EFiVlc&NR=1 Mar 08 12:01
schestowitz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcT3kgisL… Mar 08 12:14
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oiaohm USA is basically stuffed Mar 08 12:30
oiaohm Yet for some reason USD is not going splat. Mar 08 12:31
schestowitz Yes, I wonder about it, but bear in mind other currencies are hit too Mar 08 12:33
schestowitz The US economy had negative effects on other currencies as well. Mar 08 12:34
schestowitz Iceland has appointed a woman to run the place after their meltdown Mar 08 12:34
oiaohm Australia is not going that great at the moment. Mar 08 12:35
schestowitz Is any country doing all right? Mar 08 12:37
schestowitz (not rhetorical BTW) Mar 08 12:37
schestowitz UAE too is affected, but it sits on piles of money Mar 08 12:37
oiaohm Australia was doing all right until our goverment decide to try to buy there way out of problems. Mar 08 12:38
oiaohm Basically no debt before they attempted that. Mar 08 12:38
schestowitz That’s passing bad banks to the public Mar 08 12:38
schestowitz Nationalising sins of the crooks is a bad choice. Mar 08 12:39
schestowitz Those who were calling for regulation were dismissed as pessimistic crazies Mar 08 12:39
schestowitz Some economists too. Mar 08 12:39
schestowitz It’s not to marginalise the messenger with the discomforting message, ain’t it? It’s human nature. Mar 08 12:40
oiaohm Our banks are not really hurting. Mar 08 12:41
oiaohm They are only going to pull in a few billion dollars less than normal. Mar 08 12:41
oiaohm Still huge mothers of profits. Mar 08 12:41
oiaohm The 4 main banks here is nothing for them to pull in 10 to 15 billion dollars a year profit without question. Mar 08 12:42
oiaohm I guess you have bigger problems over there schestowitz Mar 08 12:43
oiaohm Biggest problem we have is from mining and companies taken the chance to go off shore. Mar 08 12:43
schestowitz oiaohm: what are  your sources for this? Mar 08 12:44
schestowitz To prevent unrest, the government spokespeople disseminate lies, so be careful. In the US they cite bogus unemployment numbers that reply on altered definitions. Mar 08 12:44
schestowitz Here in the UK the debt was measured in the wrong terms, thus hiding more realistic estimates of $3 trillion (~$50k per citizen). Mar 08 12:45
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oiaohm Most of Australia’s income is from mining. Mar 08 13:10
oiaohm also few manufactoring companies are also taking the chance to go offsore with there production. Mar 08 13:11
oiaohm To be exact move there production to china. Mar 08 13:11
oiaohm That has put 15000 employess out of a job over night. Mar 08 13:12
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MinceR j0 Mar 08 13:24
schestowitz oiaohm: makes sense. Mar 08 13:27
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oiaohm http://www.microsoft.com/msft/download/tra…  Hmm Ballmer has the idea that Windows 7 can be sold for more than XP in the netbook market Mar 08 14:09
schestowitz Well, cause it runs 3 processes :-) Mar 08 14:14
schestowitz oiaohm: he says what he wants to believe. They also said Vista would dominate the world by now. Mar 08 14:15
oiaohm Yep I know. Mar 08 14:15
oiaohm Also thinks they can take what ever google throws at them. Mar 08 14:16
oiaohm Really its not google I am watching. Mar 08 14:17
oiaohm If android takes off what reason will nokia stay out the netbook market. Mar 08 14:17
oiaohm This year could get really messy. Mar 08 14:20
oiaohm Phone makers vs PC makers. Mar 08 14:20
oiaohm http://blogs.computerworld.com/linux_companies_s…  Let the all for 1 and 1 for all patent protection system start. Mar 08 14:24
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MinceR whoa, google maps works in opera again Mar 08 14:34
schestowitz You make it sound like Opera’s fault. Mar 08 14:40
MinceR it’s google’s fault Mar 08 14:42
schestowitz But Google Do No Evil. Mar 08 14:43
MinceR or so they say Mar 08 14:52
MinceR this particular issue might be due to plain old incompetence though Mar 08 14:53
MinceR making an ie/ff app instead of a webapp Mar 08 14:53
schestowitz Google employs former Microsoft employees Mar 08 14:55
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twitter he he, here’s faux news worth reading http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,5… Mar 08 15:23
twitter Bill Gates won’t let his kids have iPods. Mar 08 15:23
twitter Must be company policy. Mar 08 15:24
MinceR sadly he probably won’t spare them of zunes though Mar 08 15:31
schestowitz twitter: just sentimental BS from the Wintel press. Mar 08 15:35
schestowitz His family life has nothing to do wit h the crimes the family commits, it’s a distraction Mar 08 15:35
schestowitz Besides, since when is i[whatever] a household name like apples and oranges? Mar 08 15:36
twitter I thought it was funny that he runs his family like Ballmer does, brainwashing and deprivation. Mar 08 15:36
schestowitz Flashing/breaking: Joe Bloggs won’t let his kids play with poo. Mar 08 15:36
twitter Here’s an interesting story that deserve some follow up, “This is what I’ve heard from pals in the industry. Pals who’re being screwed over right now. In short, the MCP’s have to pay the licensing fees for the bankrupted companies.” Mar 08 15:37
schestowitz I’d rather talk about his crimes, not his kids Mar 08 15:37
twitter http://smari.yaxic.org/blag/2009/03/06/mi… Mar 08 15:37
twitter Is it true that M$ Partners have to shell out Windoze taxes for bankrupt companies? Mar 08 15:38
twitter Do you know anyone that could verify that? Mar 08 15:38
schestowitz “But the backlash effect has been astounding. Several of Iceland’s largest MCP’s are now fighting for survival in a sea already at significant turmoil due to the economic depression. Shit had already hit the fan, but now they’re being skull-fucked by Microsoft to boot.” Mar 08 15:38
schestowitz And NOW they find out about the risk of Microsoft dependency? Mar 08 15:38
twitter If it is true, then M$’s Partner network is collapsing. Mar 08 15:39
schestowitz Of course. Mar 08 15:39
*schestowitz writes a post about Vista/Vista7 failures ATM Mar 08 15:39
twitter M$ thought squeezing their partners would buffer them from problems, but who’s going to sell the next round when the first bunch is bankrupt? Mar 08 15:39
twitter cool. Mar 08 15:40
MinceR i’d rather end both his crimes and his kids Mar 08 15:40
schestowitz My brother spoke to me for like half an hour, so I lost track Mar 08 15:40
twitter The kids are innocent, MinceR Mar 08 15:40
schestowitz MinceR: I don’t know if his kids committed crimes Mar 08 15:40
schestowitz Don’t have kids suffers for their patents misdeeds Mar 08 15:41
MinceR they might carry evil genes and/or brainwashing, so be careful. Mar 08 15:41
MinceR even possible loyalty to their parents Mar 08 15:41
twitter The wife is a criminal and the kids are brainwashed, but they are innocent. Mar 08 15:41
schestowitz Melinda French seems keen on getting the government to shell out money on companies that she invests in. Mar 08 15:41
schestowitz And she has media control that she uses Mar 08 15:41
schestowitz She also attends Bilderberg meetings. Mar 08 15:41
_Hicham_ Hi Roy! Mar 08 15:42
schestowitz twitter: +1 Mar 08 15:42
twitter Yes, M$ has lobbied for “bailouts” Mar 08 15:42
schestowitz Hey, _Hicham_ Mar 08 15:42
schestowitz Of course. Mar 08 15:42
schestowitz Microsoft is posibly already in debt Mar 08 15:42
schestowitz The value of its assets is volatile. Mar 08 15:42
schestowitz See Iceland for example Mar 08 15:42
schestowitz All its bank savings went down the toilets Mar 08 15:42
schestowitz gates can’t sell MSFT quickly enough Mar 08 15:42
schestowitz So he lost a lot of his money, Allen likewise (lost almost $10 bn Mar 08 15:43
schestowitz But.. they won’t end up in a caravan. Mar 08 15:43
MinceR is he selling MSFT already? Mar 08 15:43
twitter The partner failures is an important aspect of this.  When partners go bankrupt, all of the revenue dries up, not just the one or two bankrupt company revenues. Mar 08 15:43
schestowitz Nor have an house arrest like Madoff… because they bought a philantroFIST image for themselves. Mar 08 15:44
twitter If what that blog says is correct, the effect is cascading. Mar 08 15:44
schestowitz MinceR: he has been selling it for YEARS Mar 08 15:44
schestowitz since 2006 at least Mar 08 15:44
schestowitz As first as permissible (inside trading rules) Mar 08 15:44
schestowitz That tells you what he sees ‘from the inside’ Mar 08 15:44
schestowitz He was right Mar 08 15:44
schestowitz He also stepped down after the company had made billions in losses Mar 08 15:45
schestowitz Bad Boy Ballmer had better start buying himself a new image… Mar 08 15:45
twitter Bwa, ha ha, -> MCP’s are bailing out, switching over to Free Software and restructuring their business model. Keep the revenue inside Iceland, sell better technical services for less money and yet double their revenue. “Why didn’t we do this earlier?” Mar 08 15:45
schestowitz I’ve just mailed this to a friend from Finland Mar 08 15:46
schestowitz There is an excellent article from Bloomberg about Vista 7. Mar 08 15:54
*schestowitz gets some fascinating information about what Microsoft has done in Iceland. Mar 08 16:11
schestowitz http://web.archive.org/web/20000818010655/http://… Mar 08 16:12
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twitter Twitter has visions of Vikings with computers, swords with GCC stamped onto the hilt in nifty runes. Mar 08 16:16
schestowitz Many FOSS technologies come from Nordic countries Mar 08 16:20
schestowitz IIRC, Python, Qt, MySQL, Linux… Mar 08 16:20
MinceR hopefully the icelandic people know the obvious way out of that Mar 08 16:30
schestowitz FTA: “…those who survive will switch to Free Software, and those who don’t will go bankrupt.” Mar 08 16:32
schestowitz Only the freest survives. Mar 08 16:32
MinceR oh. :) Mar 08 16:32
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twitter I’d rather M$ partners go bankrupt than bankroll M$ with free software sales. Mar 08 16:58
twitter Bankrupt M$ partnerships should be dissolved and reformed as free software companies free of onerous M$ contracts. Mar 08 16:59
schestowitz windows death watch: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/08/vi… Mar 08 17:01
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schestowitz bbl Mar 08 17:36
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twitter gottch.  submitted systemic weakness story http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=v… Mar 08 18:32
twitter M$ will fail faster than anticipated, thanks to their licensing. Mar 08 18:33
twitter *gottcha Mar 08 18:33
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schestowitz +1 for linking to http://www.indefence.is/ Mar 08 19:36
schestowitz I see that about 15% of their population has signed it by now. Mar 08 19:37
trmanco http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/0… Hey Ubuntu :D Mar 08 19:44
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jose http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/micr… Mar 08 19:45
jose by John Dvorak Mar 08 19:45
jose “Microsoft’s business model is done” Mar 08 19:45
jose >> Until now, the average computer user has been ignoring this trend. But the economic conditions and the emergence of powerful inexpensive computing has to make people rethink the Microsoft proposition. Mar 08 19:45
jose >> If Intel can provide users with powerful little systems for $99 and has been pushing prices lower and lower over the years, why can’t Microsoft? Intel makes elaborate hardware in billion-dollar factories. Microsoft stamps out a disk. Mar 08 19:45
jose This discrepancy has to end soon. Mar 08 19:45
silentivm exactly Mar 08 19:46
schestowitz Hi, jose Mar 08 19:49
schestowitz jose: good fine, thank you. It’s the dilemma of scarcity. That’s why they create imaginary property (patents) Mar 08 19:51
jose how are you schestowitz…. Mar 08 19:52
schestowitz I’m feeling good. Microsoft is seeing its end quicker fast than most people imagined Mar 08 19:52
schestowitz Did you see BN posts today? Mar 08 19:53
jose i think i skimmed Mar 08 19:53
schestowitz brb Mar 08 19:58
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Balrog hello everyone Mar 08 21:15
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twitter hello, barlog Mar 08 21:23
twitter any news? Mar 08 21:23
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Balrog not that I know of :/ Mar 08 22:03
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schestowitz “I must note that I don’t greatly admire what Obama’s justice department is doing — in regard to defending Bush’s policies of secrecy and arbitrary rule. But that’s not what the fanatics criticize them for.” http://www.stallman.org/archives/2009-ja… Mar 08 22:54
schestowitz http://www.cringely.com/2009/0… “Maybe the acquirer isn’t Microsoft.  But I’ll tell you right now that some big company somewhere has snapped-up Neokast, is continuing to develop the software and intends to introduce it soon with a big splash.  I just wish I knew who it was.” Mar 08 22:57
schestowitz Court documents show CIA destroyed 12 harsh interrogation videotapes < http://wire.antiwar.com/2009/03/06/cia… > Mar 08 22:58
schestowitz The Inflection Is Near?  < http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/08/opinion/08fri… > Mar 08 22:59
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schestowitz Gates Foundation is also investing in Warren Buffett’s very own company? < http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_… > Mar 08 23:26
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twitter Warren and Billy, exchanging worthless assets. Mar 08 23:42
schestowitz I’ll do a post about it in the morning. Mar 08 23:43
schestowitz Storage Sales Drop, but Capacity Climbs < http://www.pcworld.com/article/160873/storage_s… > Mar 08 23:49
schestowitz That’s a silly headline because capacity grows at almost quadratic paces. It’s like saying, “houses demolishes, but rubble becomes more commonplace” Mar 08 23:52
schestowitz *shed Mar 08 23:52
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    Another look at the OpenStack situation, why Microsoft should not be allowed to enter, and more about patent and copyright complications



  13. Apple, Which Started Patent Wars, Gets What It Deserves

    Apple products get banned (for the time being) after Apple decided to attack Linux-supporting competitors and then received some blowback



  14. Unitary Patent and the Emergence of More Junk Patents

    The rise of the junk patents and what we are taught about them by the news, including some news about the unitary patent in Europe



  15. Backlash Against Bill Gates' Lobbying for Patented Life

    GMO, a robbery of the right of reproduction (and a potential health hazard), is promoted by Bill Gates for profit, whereupon critics strike back



  16. IRC Proceedings: February 3rd, 2012

    IRC logs for February 3rd, 2012



  17. Links 4/2/2012: Ubuntu 12.04 Alpha 2 Preview, ACTA Backlash in Europe

    Links for the day



  18. A Glimpse at Executives Who Left the Sinking Novell Ship

    A roundup of news about former Novell staff and where that staff is moving these days



  19. Novell Makes New Software for Microsoft Windows and Office

    PR spin from Novell and money-grabbing moves that promote proprietary software rather than Free/Open Source software



  20. Links 3/2/2012: BT Vision Goes for Linux, Linux 3.3 With Android

    Links for the day



  21. Debt in Attachmate

    The company that bought Novell has a poor outlook, financial issues, and little signs of expansion/renaissance



  22. Longtime SUSE Executive Holger Dyroff Moves on, SUSE in a Bad State

    Key people continue to leave SUSE and the distribution is left without a compelling sales pitch



  23. Groklaw Update on Android Patent Cases and Response to FUD From Microsoft Lobbyists

    A few updates of greater importance where the Linux situation is discussed in the context of Android and Novell



  24. IRC Proceedings: February 2nd, 2012

    IRC logs for February 2nd, 2012



  25. Links 2/2/2012: DEFT Linux 7, Mozilla Firefox 10

    Links for the day



  26. IRC Proceedings: February 1st, 2012

    IRC logs for February 1st, 2012



  27. IRC Proceedings: January 31st, 2012

    IRC logs for January 31st, 2012



  28. IRC Proceedings: January 30th, 2012

    IRC logs for January 30th, 2012



  29. Bill Gates is Hijacking Open Source While Attacking It Using Lobbyists, Patents, and Patent Trolls

    Response to reputation laundering from Wired Magazine, the latest nonsense from Microsoft's lobbyist Florian Müller, an update on Microsoft's trolling against Android, and a little more of Apple's



  30. The Gates Foundation is Still Hijacking the Voice of the Poor and Effectively Runs Paid Advertisements Inside 'News'

    Money still the vehicle by which opinions get heard, so Bill Gates exploits this for fame, power, and profit


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