03.15.09

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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: March 14th, 2009 – Part 1

Posted in IRC Logs at 3:59 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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_Hicham_	here is a funny picture : http://ardenne-informatique.com/~nekrof…	Mar 14 00:00
schestowitz	guy gets caught masturbating to warcraft < http://www.youtube.com/w… >	Mar 14 00:01
balzac	heheh	Mar 14 00:11
_Hicham_	balzac : where have u been?	Mar 14 00:13
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schestowitz	Playing warcraft?	Mar 14 00:14
_Hicham_	it is weird that balzac stays silent :-/	Mar 14 00:15
schestowitz	balzac: playing /your/ warcraft	Mar 14 00:16
_Hicham_	total silence	Mar 14 00:22
_Hicham_	what is going on?	Mar 14 00:23
_Hicham_	everybody is sleeping or what?	Mar 14 00:23
_Hicham_	Linux is counting on u …	Mar 14 00:23
_Hicham_	wake up all of u	Mar 14 00:23
_Hicham_		Mar 14 00:23
schestowitz	Are these people taking the piss? “1998: Richard Stallman, kind of like your step dad, shaves his beard. It grows back to the same fullness the next day.” http://i.gizmodo.com/5169216/h…	Mar 14 00:24
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schestowitz	_Hicham_: here’s a beardless RMS, in case you ever wondered: http://www.vivalinux.com.ar/a…	Mar 14 00:28
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schestowitz	“With the Zypad device, which runs a Linux operating system, one can access a remote host system through integrated wired or wireless interfaces.” http://news.cnet.com/8301-1363…	Mar 14 00:32
_Hicham_	RMS looks different without a beard	Mar 14 00:38
_Hicham_	i wouldn’t recognize him without a beard	Mar 14 00:38
schestowitz	Yes, same here.	Mar 14 00:42
schestowitz	I wonder what I’d look like with a beard.	Mar 14 00:42
Balrog_	RMS without a beard?	Mar 14 00:42
Balrog_	he has one now, right.	Mar 14 00:43
schestowitz	I can grow a blonde goatee, but not a beard.	Mar 14 00:43
Balrog_	lol	Mar 14 00:43
schestowitz	Balrog: yes, but watch the trolls from LifeHackers	Mar 14 00:43
schestowitz	I’m not sure it’s trolling	Mar 14 00:43
schestowitz	They sort of ignore GNU	Mar 14 00:43
schestowitz	Then they have a picture of RMS claimed that he shaved it off in 1998. Is it true?	Mar 14 00:43
Balrog_	I doubt it	Mar 14 00:44
schestowitz	Bdale garbee had Linus shave in beard in LCA 2009.	Mar 14 00:44
schestowitz	RMS is like Samson. Without his beard he’s try Adobe Flash or something.	Mar 14 00:44
schestowitz	That’s the ‘Delilah’	Mar 14 00:44
_Hicham_	Roy : if the beard isnt black you re ok	Mar 14 00:46
_Hicham_	otherwise u ll be a terrorist	Mar 14 00:46
MinceR	gn	Mar 14 00:47
schestowitz	_Hicham_: only in the west, I think.	Mar 14 00:47
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seller_liar	a good history about bluej and crazy micrtosofttt	Mar 14 00:50
seller_liar	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mi…	Mar 14 00:51
Balrog_	stupid	Mar 14 00:52
Balrog_	copying someone else’s work and attempting to patent it.	Mar 14 00:52
seller_liar	and this is done in 2005!	Mar 14 00:53
Balrog_	and they try patenting ~1yr later	Mar 14 00:53
Balrog_	:X	Mar 14 00:53
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schestowitz	seller_liar: yes, bluej went GPL	Mar 14 00:56
schestowitz	GPLv3 maybe	Mar 14 00:56
schestowitz	Just weeks ago	Mar 14 00:56
schestowitz	Which is great!	Mar 14 00:56
seller_liar	schestowitz: no, It’s gplv2+classpath	Mar 14 00:56
twitter	ha, I wonder if M$ would have dropped their patent nonsense had they known bluej would go gpl	Mar 14 00:56
schestowitz	hey, twitter	Mar 14 01:00
schestowitz	Seen the Novell story in /.?	Mar 14 01:00
schestowitz	Check out the comments. Bruce is being funny	Mar 14 01:00
schestowitz	And some Turfers attack me	Mar 14 01:01
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_Hicham_	Roy : I saw an article in which they say that u are under arrest	Mar 14 02:33
_Hicham_	u r very suspicious	Mar 14 02:33
_Hicham_	:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D	Mar 14 02:33
schestowitz	Hehe.	Mar 14 02:34
schestowitz	Would that be an article calling me a murderer?	Mar 14 02:35
schestowitz	Or a child molester?	Mar 14 02:35
schestowitz	or some other fairly tale they made up?	Mar 14 02:35
_Hicham_	yes, as a child molester	Mar 14 02:38
_Hicham_		Mar 14 02:39
_Hicham_	http://help.lockergnome.com/linux/NEWS-…	Mar 14 02:39
_Hicham_	really funny	Mar 14 02:39
schestowitz	Hehe.	Mar 14 02:39
_Hicham_	i like people who made things up, they just show how silly they are	Mar 14 02:39
schestowitz	They even pointed to a non-extent address.	Mar 14 02:39
_Hicham_	and give me a chance to laugh	Mar 14 02:40
_Hicham_	yes	Mar 14 02:40
schestowitz	They tried to refute my posts	Mar 14 02:40
_Hicham_	the address doesnt exist	Mar 14 02:40
schestowitz	It’s too hard for them	Mar 14 02:40
schestowitz	Then they try to find embarrassing things about it	Mar 14 02:40
schestowitz	*about me	Mar 14 02:40
schestowitz	They can’t, either	Mar 14 02:40
schestowitz	So they need to start ‘manufacturing’ stuff, planting it in the intrawebbies.	Mar 14 02:40
_Hicham_	hahaha	Mar 14 02:42
_Hicham_	they are gonna blow up	Mar 14 02:42
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_Hicham_	Roy : are u living in the uk?	Mar 14 02:51
schestowitz	Yes	Mar 14 02:53
_Hicham_	have u met Mark Shuttleworth personally?	Mar 14 02:53
schestowitz	No, not that it would matter, either	Mar 14 02:54
_Hicham_	why not?	Mar 14 02:55
schestowitz	I mailed him sevral times	Mar 14 02:55
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_Hicham_	are u in London?	Mar 14 02:55
schestowitz	No, up north	Mar 14 02:55
_Hicham_	Edinburgh?	Mar 14 02:55
schestowitz	No, [H]omer_ is around there	Mar 14 02:57
_Hicham_	it must be badly cold right now	Mar 14 02:58
schestowitz	Na, quite all right. It’s spring already	Mar 14 03:00
_Hicham_	i heard that it is always raining and cold in the uk	Mar 14 03:01
_Hicham_	is that true?	Mar 14 03:01
_Hicham_	and most of all foggy	Mar 14 03:01
schestowitz	Myths	Mar 14 03:05
schestowitz	Like US is all rich	Mar 14 03:05
schestowitz	Or China eats cockroaches	Mar 14 03:05
schestowitz	Or “basketball is for black people”	Mar 14 03:06
schestowitz	And so on…	Mar 14 03:06
schestowitz	Stigmas	Mar 14 03:06
_Hicham_	but those stereotypes are sometimes fun	Mar 14 03:10
seller_liar	schestowitz: Hey roy , is it possible to open a page in wiki entitled projects and plans?	Mar 14 03:13
schestowitz	Sure, sure.	Mar 14 03:17
schestowitz	Go ahead and put anything in that your find suitable.	Mar 14 03:17
seller_liar	ok , thank you very much	Mar 14 03:17
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mib_5ee5yh	cool site	Mar 14 04:26
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oiaohm	I wish next gcc would get out in wild so wine 64 bit could get out and about.	Mar 14 06:55
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oiaohm	Planète Béranger seams to be going through a nice big refersal. Looking he looking at Linux again.	Mar 14 07:50
oiaohm	http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/20… << MS Opps we using ARM.	Mar 14 08:11
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ZiggyFish	schestowitz: have you seen the IE8 FUD that Microsoft has now <http://www.computerworld.com/action/ar…	Mar 14 09:11
ZiggyFish	Report <http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/det…	Mar 14 09:11
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schestowitz	oiaohm: yes, Beranger would do that	Mar 14 09:32
schestowitz	I swore he would come back. He begged for attention… like when ht moved to BSD	Mar 14 09:32
schestowitz	ZiggyFish: yes, seen it. Microsoft history of lying says it all. Also, they test it on Windows :-D http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/inde… (see top [part)	Mar 14 09:33
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oiaohm	olpc going arm is a more interesting one. schestowitz	Mar 14 10:21
schestowitz	Yes, they might try to chase it	Mar 14 10:24
schestowitz	Is Windows easily portable to other archs?	Mar 14 10:24
schestowitz	(i doubt it)	Mar 14 10:25
oiaohm	Core of windows not that hard.	Mar 14 10:25
oiaohm	reactos already has a arm port.	Mar 14 10:25
oiaohm	Applications for windows eep.	Mar 14 10:25
schestowitz	Yes, I know	Mar 14 10:26
schestowitz	But the core Windows apps they can recompile	Mar 14 10:26
schestowitz	..Though…	Mar 14 10:26
oiaohm	ppc was done for windows in the past.	Mar 14 10:26
schestowitz	What would be the point if all WIndows apps are sold as x86 binaries?	Mar 14 10:26
oiaohm	Almost no applications for ppc windows was released.	Mar 14 10:26
schestowitz	The whole “it runs Windows apps” argument goes down the s*tter	Mar 14 10:26
schestowitz	oiaohm: yes, beat me to it!	Mar 14 10:27
oiaohm	Or worse poor windows users having to put up with cpu selection requirements they never had to before.	Mar 14 10:28
oiaohm	O well it will kill that dead argument that Linux supports too many cpu types from some camps.	Mar 14 10:29
amarsh04_	funnily enough, linux no longer supports 80386 (without 80387), nor sparc32	Mar 14 10:30
oiaohm	Linux kernel can still be made run on 80386	Mar 14 10:30
oiaohm	Distributions choose not to.	Mar 14 10:30
oiaohm	When you pull up 386 top speed quite understandable.	Mar 14 10:31
amarsh04_	yes, or people just run (or continue to run) old kernels if they still use hardware that old	Mar 14 10:31
oiaohm	There are still some specialised distributions out there for 80386	Mar 14 10:31
oiaohm	Normally for sat work.	Mar 14 10:31
oiaohm	Yes that is 2.6 series kernels.	Mar 14 10:31
amarsh04_	when I worked at <censored> they also used 80376 chips (protected mode only version of i386)	Mar 14 10:32
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schestowitz	Not even Debian supports it?	Mar 14 10:34
*schestowitz looks for links.		Mar 14 10:34
schestowitz	http://widefox.pbwiki.com/Kernel%20Co…	Mar 14 10:34
amarsh04	not in Lenny. Etch supported sparc32 iirc	Mar 14 10:34
schestowitz	http://widefox.pbwiki.com/Architecture	Mar 14 10:34
amarsh04	windows nt at one time supported DEC Alpha, MIPS, and PowerPC cpus	Mar 14 10:35
oiaohm	debain draws line at i486 something	Mar 14 10:36
schestowitz	http://widefox.pbwiki.com/CPU	Mar 14 10:36
schestowitz	That’ the chart I had in mind	Mar 14 10:36
schestowitz	Watch the Y/N comparison	Mar 14 10:36
oiaohm	Intergrated maths processor makes live lot less painful.	Mar 14 10:36
schestowitz	It ridicules Windows.	Mar 14 10:36
amarsh04	I was running Debian on a Cyrix “686″ which was a 486 compatible	Mar 14 10:37
oiaohm	There is a error there. m88k is support by Linux in uclinux a off line branch.	Mar 14 10:38
amarsh04	so it appears that sparc32 is still supported in the kernel, but I wasn’t able to find a sparc32 distro with current kernel	Mar 14 10:41
oiaohm	Lack of sparc32 processors to test with amarsh04	Mar 14 10:41
oiaohm	Sorry to say working sparc32 processes are getting a little hard to get hands on.	Mar 14 10:42
amarsh04	In 2003 I was still using an ss10 at work	Mar 14 10:43
schestowitz	Even Sun seems to be distancing self from SPARC	Mar 14 10:44
oiaohm	Debain sparc32 disappeared due to lack of maintainers.	Mar 14 10:44
oiaohm	Not that it will not work.	Mar 14 10:44
amarsh04	grub2 has just had sparc support added back in	Mar 14 10:45
oiaohm	There are sparc users still out there	Mar 14 10:46
oiaohm	Just not in large numbers amarsh04 needed to maintain a distribution.	Mar 14 10:46
amarsh04	my work sparcstation10 had 2 * 50 MHz cpus and 224 MiB RAM… I compiled gcc 3.3 on it once when sunfreeware only had gcc 3.2 and earlier	Mar 14 10:46
amarsh04	even with cross-compilation there would be a certain slowness in verifying that compiled code worked on sparc32	Mar 14 10:47
oiaohm	http://widefox.pbwiki.com/Scheduler Look at the bottom of the page.	Mar 14 10:50
amarsh04	lots of the schedulers have been mainlined since the 2.6.22 kernel	Mar 14 10:54
oiaohm	I was refering to the scheduler lag.	Mar 14 10:57
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schestowitz	Nice picture: http://www.siriusit.co.uk/myblog/…	Mar 14 12:51
schestowitz	Haha. Here they go… “America’s first federal chief information officer has been placed on leave after one of his former employees was arrested for alleged IT bribery.” http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009…	Mar 14 12:55
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schestowitz	Did you know you can get # of pageviews on Groklaw articles through the search facility, e.g. http://www.groklaw.net/search.php?query=lyon… ?	Mar 14 14:07
oiaohm	Different	Mar 14 14:11
MinceR	how are you gentlemen !!	Mar 14 14:12
oiaohm	fine	Mar 14 14:13
trmanco	uh oh	Mar 14 14:19
trmanco	I would say this if I were them -> “In fact, we’ll give £100 to anyone who can write a Malbolge clone of the Emacs psychotherapist Eliza (m-x-doctor).”	Mar 14 14:19
trmanco	wouldn’t	Mar 14 14:23
trmanco	ahh, crap… <would not> geesh	Mar 14 14:23
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mib_7seokl	hihi	Mar 14 14:23
mib_7seokl	hihi	Mar 14 14:23
oiaohm	Hi mib_7seokl	Mar 14 14:25
schestowitz	Hey	Mar 14 14:25
twitter	had to laugh at this. Not one big Suse customer all quarter, http://www.crn.com/software/215900219	Mar 14 14:29
twitter	have not had time to look at BN, but I’m sure you covered something as obvious as that and I’m sure you did it better.	Mar 14 14:30
twitter	bbl	Mar 14 14:30
schestowitz	Yes, Doug made a funny post about it	Mar 14 14:30
schestowitz	(in USENET, moments ago)	Mar 14 14:31
schestowitz	http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os….	Mar 14 14:31
schestowitz	“Once you get your own hardware and software in the living room, you have a customer for life. Earth to Ron come in Ron Hovsepian … “	Mar 14 14:31
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_Hicham_	Hi All!	Mar 14 14:59
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amarsh04	hi Hicham	Mar 14 15:00
schestowitz	Hi.	Mar 14 15:01
amarsh04	hi schestowitz… bad drop-out rate at my end over the last 30 hours or so	Mar 14 15:08
trmanco	https://answers.edge.launchpa…	Mar 14 15:14
trmanco	wow	Mar 14 15:14
trmanco	this little answer just gave me 600 karma pois :-O	Mar 14 15:14
trmanco	points*	Mar 14 15:14
schestowitz	I saw patch/release to it	Mar 14 15:17
schestowitz	Something along the lines of a new release that addresses an ICQ issue. I skipped it quickly, so I don’t remember.	Mar 14 15:18
trmanco	kopete was having that problem too	Mar 14 15:18
schestowitz	I’ve not used IM since 2004 (aMSN, to contact family and friends).	Mar 14 15:18
_Hicham_	Roy : aMSN support conferencing now	Mar 14 15:19
trmanco	IM is probably going to die, just see how Laconica and Twitter gain popularity	Mar 14 15:20
schestowitz	Might be	Mar 14 15:20
schestowitz	Alvaro was implementing themes when I last used it	Mar 14 15:20
schestowitz	It was on SUSE 8.1	Mar 14 15:20
trmanco	social stuff might be the future	Mar 14 15:20
trmanco	aMSN is going to be rewritten in Python Ithink	Mar 14 15:21
schestowitz	bkuhn messages me yesterday	Mar 14 15:21
schestowitz	*ssaged	Mar 14 15:21
schestowitz	http://www.itwire.com/con… Thanks for posting. http://boycottnovell.com/20…	Mar 14 15:27
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schestowitz	Document Freedom is coming it less than 2 weeks < http://www.ossblog.it/post/4716/docu… >	Mar 14 15:34
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mib_dnkgzn	hi friends	Mar 14 15:42
schestowitz	Hey there.	Mar 14 15:42
schestowitz	What’s up?	Mar 14 15:42
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schestowitz	“Three reasons Microsoft shouldn’t port Windows to the ARM processor — Despite pressures, Microsoft shouldn’t yield, analysts say” < http://www.computerworld.com/action/arti… >	Mar 14 15:43
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schestowitz	Someone says HP will put some SLED on mini-laptops. H-P has already got its own variant of GNU/Linux for these machines/form factor and it’s based on Ubuntu (Debian). Wouldn’t SLE be ‘heavy’?	Mar 14 16:03
schestowitz	Amsterdammed: Linden Lab to Segregate “Adult” Content in Second Life to Red Light Continent (Real Life ID Required) < http://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/2009/03/r… >	Mar 14 16:03
schestowitz	45,000 Mexican military personnel have been dispatched to centers of drug violence across the country to stamp out the growing violence. < http://www.alternet.org/drugreporter/1313… >	Mar 14 16:03
schestowitz	Anonymity getting the boost: Why Tor is slow and what we’re going to do about it < https://blog.torproject.org/blog… >	Mar 14 16:05
schestowitz	http://www.theregister.co.uk/200… “Opposition parties are today renewing calls for a proper investigation into the Iraq war because a Freedom of Information request has revealed senior officials were concerned about how the intelligence was presented.”	Mar 14 16:06
schestowitz	The Kindness of Strangers < http://www.schneier.com/blog/archiv… > Schneier on a society that wants to keep people isolated.	Mar 14 16:08
schestowitz	UK Music Biz Labels Google ‘Cynical And Exploitative’< http://www.paidcontent.co.uk/entry/419… >	Mar 14 16:10
schestowitz	Bad guys finish last: MPAA Matches RIAA In Massive Layoffs < http://techdirt.com/articles/2… >	Mar 14 16:13
schestowitz	David Wood on the pseudo-open Symbian: http://blog.symbian.org/2009/03/… They should really give up on software patents already. They have caused so much damage at Nokia.	Mar 14 16:15
schestowitz	Matt Asay parrots Microsoft big liars: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1… Does he not know ClickStream is MS employees?	Mar 14 16:16
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schestowitz	So You Think This Is A Democracy? < http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archiv… > UK ambassador on democracy that doesn’t exist. (not even in the US and UK where polyarchy prevails)	Mar 14 16:18
schestowitz	The new European Commission < http://www.euractiv.com/en/opinion/new-e… >. Will they get rid of Charlie McCreevy, at last?	Mar 14 16:20
schestowitz	How GCPedia will save the public service < http://eaves.ca/2009/03/12/how… >	Mar 14 16:21
schestowitz	http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_stor… “MS does not simply want to ‘weaken the foundations of open source’, they want to kill free software and the GPL. That is their ultimate goal.”	Mar 14 16:29
schestowitz	trmanco: The other COLA[nnounce]: A number of sites have posted copies of the original posting on comp.os.linux.announce < http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story… >	Mar 14 16:36
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trmanco	cool	Mar 14 16:48
_Hicham_	that was the time when debian was just starting	Mar 14 16:52
_Hicham_	or it hasn’t even started	Mar 14 16:52
_Hicham_	there was just slackware, right?	Mar 14 16:52
_Hicham_	I am compiling mplayer right now	Mar 14 16:53
_Hicham_	compilation takes a lot of time	Mar 14 16:53
_Hicham_	im glad that gcc is supporting precompiled headers	Mar 14 16:53
schestowitz	Debian started in 2993?	Mar 14 16:54
schestowitz	*1992	Mar 14 16:54
_Hicham_	in 1994 i think	Mar 14 16:54
schestowitz	Yes, that sounds like it may be right	Mar 14 16:54
_Hicham_	slackware in late 1993	Mar 14 16:54
schestowitz	Depends what milestone you mark	Mar 14 16:54
_Hicham_	slackware is the oldest distro	Mar 14 16:55
schestowitz	It’s rather dumb how they announced Linux to be 15	Mar 14 16:55
schestowitz	Because that was a while ago	Mar 14 16:55
schestowitz	They re-celebrate birthdays based on different events.	Mar 14 16:55
_Hicham_	i think 1.0 is the official version	Mar 14 16:55
_Hicham_	not what linus wrote	Mar 14 16:55
schestowitz	_Hicham_: I’m not sure if it’s true	Mar 14 16:55
schestowitz	_Hicham_: the first distro was made right here	Mar 14 16:55
schestowitz	MCC	Mar 14 16:55
_Hicham_	MCC?	Mar 14 16:55
schestowitz	By Owen Le Blanc	Mar 14 16:55
schestowitz	I worked with him, sort of	Mar 14 16:56
_Hicham_	in the UK?	Mar 14 16:56
schestowitz	See the timelines in Wikipedia	Mar 14 16:56
schestowitz	_Hicham_: first combination of GNU and Linux	Mar 14 16:56
schestowitz	From FTP	Mar 14 16:56
schestowitz	I worked at MCC for about 7 years	Mar 14 16:56
_Hicham_	wow	Mar 14 16:56
_Hicham_	and u dont use it now?	Mar 14 16:56
schestowitz	No, MCC is the place	Mar 14 16:57
schestowitz	Also distro name	Mar 14 16:57
schestowitz	Owen uses Debian now, I think	Mar 14 16:57
_Hicham_	why did u drop it?	Mar 14 16:57
schestowitz	The job? It wasn’t worth is anymore	Mar 14 16:57
schestowitz	I quit a while ago. I had 2 jobs there.	Mar 14 16:58
_Hicham_	no, I mean the distro	Mar 14 16:58
schestowitz	One in April 2006 because I wanted to concentrate on finishing my thesis	Mar 14 16:58
schestowitz	Then I left another role in Sept. 2007	Mar 14 16:58
schestowitz	Because I finished pretty much everything on campus	Mar 14 16:58
_Hicham_	ah, i see	Mar 14 16:59
_Hicham_	and now mcc is abandoned for good?	Mar 14 16:59
schestowitz	It’s renamed	Mar 14 16:59
schestowitz	Was the ‘gunman warning’ a hoax? < http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1… >. I reckon computer games do play a role.	Mar 14 17:00
_Hicham_	what is its name now?	Mar 14 17:00
_Hicham_	i read in wikipedia that its users were urged to migrate to Debian	Mar 14 17:00
Eruaran	hello	Mar 14 17:02
schestowitz	Fun gallery: MP3 Players: Whose is Smallest? < http://www.pcworld.com/article/161… >	Mar 14 17:03
schestowitz	http://www.washingtontimes.com/ne… “The Justice Department on Friday jettisoned the term “enemy combatant” and said the president does not have the authority to order detainees held at the military prison at Guantanamo Bay. “	Mar 14 17:06
schestowitz	Memorise this: **00000099# (How to open many keypad-access doors < http://david.weebly.com/1/post/2009/… >)	Mar 14 17:08
Eruaran	I think I’ve just heard the best cover of John Lennons Imagine ever	Mar 14 17:09
Eruaran	Neil Young live on the piano doing it right	Mar 14 17:09
schestowitz	Anything on Youtube?	Mar 14 17:10
Eruaran	haven’t looked… probably though.. this is on tv right now here	Mar 14 17:10
Eruaran	I’m watching Rage… the all night music program that has been on ABC1 here since the 80′s	Mar 14 17:11
Eruaran	Been through a bunch of Beck clips, Elliot Smith and now Neil Young	Mar 14 17:11
Eruaran	A bit of Aimee Mann	Mar 14 17:11
Eruaran	Rage is still the best	Mar 14 17:11
schestowitz	Is Apple’s mystery product a netpad? < http://www.deviceguru.com/is-a… >	Mar 14 17:12
schestowitz	g2g bbl	Mar 14 17:12
Eruaran	Friday nights Rage covers new material and on Saturday nights it tends to cover a more ecclectic mix, sometimes with guest programmers covering particular artists…	Mar 14 17:13
Eruaran	bb	Mar 14 17:13
Eruaran	Doing Leonard Cohen now…	Mar 14 17:22
Eruaran	Rage songlist tonight is from Bill Callahan (Smog)	Mar 14 17:23
_Hicham_	i installed the latest svn version of mplayer	Mar 14 17:40
_Hicham_	it works like a charm	Mar 14 17:40
Eruaran	hello _Hicham_	Mar 14 17:40
_Hicham_	hi Erauaran	Mar 14 17:40
_Hicham_	how r u doing?	Mar 14 17:40
Eruaran	ah not bad	Mar 14 17:40
Eruaran	hows things in your part of the world	Mar 14 17:41
_Hicham_	it is going well, thank u Eruaran	Mar 14 17:41
_Hicham_	mplayer is the only player in the world	Mar 14 17:41
_Hicham_	there is no equivalent player	Mar 14 17:41
_Hicham_	have anyone found an equivalent player?	Mar 14 17:42
Eruaran	I haven’t used MPlayer in ages	Mar 14 17:44
Eruaran	Never seems to work right for me	Mar 14 17:44
Eruaran	KMPlayer works though	Mar 14 17:44
Eruaran	I use KMPlayer to record streams	Mar 14 17:44
_Hicham_	KMplayer is based on mplayer	Mar 14 17:46
_Hicham_	it is just a frond end	Mar 14 17:46
_Hicham_	i used other players	Mar 14 17:48
_Hicham_	VLC, Totem, Xine, and some Windows only players	Mar 14 17:49
_Hicham_	but mplayer is still the greatest of all	Mar 14 17:49
_Hicham_	oh, God, when will the day come when gnash can replace adobe flash player?	Mar 14 17:50
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Eruaran	yes, but for some reason I can never get much productivity out of vanilla mplayer	Mar 14 18:07
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Eruaran	I would like to see Adobe open up flash	Mar 14 18:07
Eruaran	I think if they feel under pressure enough from Silverlight at any stage then they will	Mar 14 18:08
_Hicham_	i dont think so	Mar 14 18:17
_Hicham_	Roy is busy	Mar 14 18:32
_Hicham_	too sad that gnash still doesnt work	Mar 14 18:34
_Hicham_	i imagine how u would look with a beard Roy	Mar 14 18:36
_Hicham_	u should try a beard	Mar 14 18:36
Eruaran	lol	Mar 14 18:37
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tacone	schestowitz: here ?	Mar 14 18:38
MinceR	facial hair is overrated.	Mar 14 18:38
Eruaran	he’s afk atm	Mar 14 18:40
Eruaran	I have facial hair	Mar 14 18:40
_Hicham_	like RMS?	Mar 14 18:40
Eruaran	no	Mar 14 18:41
_Hicham_	we should all become like RMS	Mar 14 18:41
Eruaran	not like that	Mar 14 18:41
_Hicham_	or like Torvalds	Mar 14 18:41
_Hicham_	we have to choose a camp	Mar 14 18:41
_Hicham_	the camp of beards	Mar 14 18:41
_Hicham_	or the camp or razors	Mar 14 18:41
Eruaran	I’m not into high maintenance beards	Mar 14 18:41
_Hicham_		Mar 14 18:41
_Hicham_	Roy is silent O:-)	Mar 14 18:42
_Hicham_	must be eating	Mar 14 18:42
tacone	or sleeping.	Mar 14 18:42
_Hicham_	i think that everyone is sleeping in here	Mar 14 19:01
_Hicham_	not just Roy	Mar 14 19:01
_Hicham_	it is not night yet for Roy	Mar 14 19:03
schestowitz	Just got back	Mar 14 19:18
schestowitz	tacone: what’s up?	Mar 14 19:18
tacone	hey schestowitz, i just was wondering if spashtop is compatible with linux.	Mar 14 19:18
tacone	is it ?	Mar 14 19:19
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schestowitz	tacone: I think now	Mar 14 19:19
schestowitz	Eruaran would know about Express Gate	Mar 14 19:19
tacone	http://compraonline.mediaworld.it/web…	Mar 14 19:19
tacone	*Express Gate è disponibile solo per la versione Windows XP	Mar 14 19:20
tacone	(available only on winxp)	Mar 14 19:20
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/… http://boycottnovell.com/2008/0…	Mar 14 19:20
Eruaran	There is no linux installer	Mar 14 19:20
schestowitz	ASUS: “Currently, We’re Closely Tied up With Microsoft” < http://boycottnovell.com/2008/07/2… >	Mar 14 19:20
tacone	seems like i don’t read bn enough	Mar 14 19:20
tacone	lol	Mar 14 19:20
tacone	how does all that mixes with the fact is patented ?	Mar 14 19:21
schestowitz	Not sure it’s related	Mar 14 19:22
tacone	and the only competitor is novell’s made dell’s bios ?	Mar 14 19:22
tacone	i’m sure it’s not related. it’s just an unfortunate mix.	Mar 14 19:22
Eruaran	I think Express Gate may violate the GPL	Mar 14 19:22
schestowitz	Yes	Mar 14 19:22
schestowitz	I think so	Mar 14 19:23
schestowitz	Hold on	Mar 14 19:23
schestowitz	I’ll find a zdnet thing	Mar 14 19:23
Eruaran	If you want to install it, you are required to install a proprietary operating system first.	Mar 14 19:23
tacone		Mar 14 19:23
Eruaran	Its artificially tied to Windows.	Mar 14 19:23
schestowitz	I can’t find it	Mar 14 19:25
schestowitz	http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&a…	Mar 14 19:25
schestowitz	Anyway. it’s about them slicing it	Mar 14 19:25
schestowitz	Half is FOSS, the rest proprietary	Mar 14 19:26
schestowitz	So the patented part might be totally proprietary, just not marketed as such	Mar 14 19:26
Eruaran	yes	Mar 14 19:26
tacone	they are very open to developers	Mar 14 19:26
tacone	that sort of reminds of google	Mar 14 19:26
schestowitz	They’ve already violated GPL	Mar 14 19:26
schestowitz	With the Xandros thing	Mar 14 19:26
tacone	public api to get advantage of a ultra-proprietary thing.	Mar 14 19:27
schestowitz	They were asked to correct this	Mar 14 19:27
schestowitz	They did	Mar 14 19:27
schestowitz	And they put up some page about it	Mar 14 19:27
Eruaran	It puts GPL software in a ‘black box’ situation	Mar 14 19:27
Eruaran	It violates the four laws	Mar 14 19:27
schestowitz	GPL comprehension/respect is poorer in the east	Mar 14 19:27
schestowitz	http://lists.gpl-violations.org/piper… ASUS SplashTop and Phoenix Hyperspace infringing kernel copyright and GPL	Mar 14 19:28
schestowitz	GPL = copyright privileges	Mar 14 19:28
schestowitz	“SplashTop’s so-called source code (http://www.splashtop.com/download3…) contains a few patches to the Linux kernel but not the whole, compilable modified kernel source code as the GPL requires. This clearly constitutes a copyright violation.”	Mar 14 19:28
schestowitz	ASUS SplashTop is a GPL violation, unless they have fixed it < http://lists.gpl-violations.or… >	Mar 14 19:29
tacone	nice to know.	Mar 14 19:30
Eruaran	With Express Gate you don’t have “The freedom to run the program, for any purpose”, you don’t have “”	Mar 14 19:30
Eruaran	etc	Mar 14 19:30
tacone	A splashtop round up would be nice.	Mar 14 19:30
schestowitz	Yes, I think so	Mar 14 19:31
schestowitz	I’ll bring it up	Mar 14 19:31
schestowitz	Got to take a shower now anyway	Mar 14 19:31
schestowitz	brb	Mar 14 19:31
tacone		Mar 14 19:31
tacone	bye	Mar 14 19:31
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Eruaran	I love KPackageKit’s integration with System Settings	Mar 14 19:39
_Hicham_	is Splashtop usable on every computer?	Mar 14 19:42
tacone	on every computer with windows O:-)	Mar 14 19:43
tacone	_Hicham_: splashtop is a linux embedded in the motherboard	Mar 14 19:43
tacone	that means you get it with the motherboard. you can’t install it on a computer which didn’t come with it ?	Mar 14 19:44
tacone	err	Mar 14 19:44
tacone	(was not a question, “?” is a typo)	Mar 14 19:44
_Hicham_	i see	Mar 14 19:44
_Hicham_	it is in the rom memory then	Mar 14 19:45
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_Hicham_	i just installed latest kernel	Mar 14 19:56
balzac	-_-	Mar 14 20:05
schestowitz	would be interesting when you can upgrade/change /a/ kernal	Mar 14 20:08
schestowitz	Like switching from GNU Hurd to Linux and vice versa transparently	Mar 14 20:09
schestowitz	Like KHTML and Webkit or Gecko	Mar 14 20:09
schestowitz	Interview: Ralph Nader Says We’re Living Under Corporate Fascism < http://consumerist.com/373394/interview-… >	Mar 14 20:10
balzac	schestowitz: there’s a kernel function called kexec that might be useful for that sort of thing, but only switching between various linux kernels	Mar 14 20:13
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balzac	Hurd is so out of date with modern hardware, may as well just be run as a VM or on older hardware.	Mar 14 20:14
balzac	PIII perhaps	Mar 14 20:14
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*schestowitz digs into ACTA. Ugly stuff!		Mar 14 20:19
balzac	I just switched from Gnome to XFCE	Mar 14 20:26
balzac	I read a review by Bruce Byfield which mentioned some nice features	Mar 14 20:26
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balzac	hey Balrog_	Mar 14 20:27
Balrog_	hey	Mar 14 20:27
balzac	I have to say, the default system font in XFCE is a bit blurry and small	Mar 14 20:27
Balrog_	adjust the font-rendering settings	Mar 14 20:27
balzac	adjusting…	Mar 14 20:29
balzac	I found some font settings under appearance	Mar 14 20:30
_Hicham_	hi balzac	Mar 14 20:30
balzac	Also, what are the keyboard shortcuts for filling the screen with various windows?	Mar 14 20:30
balzac	hey _Hicham_	Mar 14 20:31
_Hicham_	how is it compared to gnome?	Mar 14 20:31
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balzac	snappier when I switch themes	Mar 14 20:31
balzac	nice so far, but I want the system font to be more crisp, less anti-aliased	Mar 14 20:32
MinceR	that might be a function of your hinting settings	Mar 14 20:33
balzac	where can I find those settings?	Mar 14 20:33
MinceR	dunno	Mar 14 20:33
MinceR	if you have a font settings dialog, it’s there	Mar 14 20:34
MinceR	then again, xfce uses gtk which should use the same settings as under gnome	Mar 14 20:34
MinceR	so i don’t know what’s up	Mar 14 20:34
balzac	Maybe I just need to find a font which looks good without antialiasing	Mar 14 20:34
_Hicham_	balzac : use DejaVu	Mar 14 20:35
balzac	I see the hinting now, MinceR	Mar 14 20:35
_Hicham_	the font setting should be in appearance	Mar 14 20:35
balzac	_Hicham_: I’ll try it	Mar 14 20:35
_Hicham_	same as gnome i think	Mar 14 20:35
balzac	I’m getting a good result using just sans with full hinting	Mar 14 20:36
_Hicham_	Sans is great font	Mar 14 20:37
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balzac	The only thing is that the system font doesn’t seem to change the application font. FF3 has blurry menu items, while the title-bar is now crisp.	Mar 14 20:38
balzac	I know I’m not using the right terminology. I’m restarting FF to see what happens.	Mar 14 20:38
balzac	that did it	Mar 14 20:39
_Hicham_	balzac : whick distro is this?	Mar 14 20:39
balzac	the restart of FF made the new font take hold	Mar 14 20:39
balzac	Ubuntu, Jaunty Jackelope	Mar 14 20:39
balzac	what got me looking for another desktop was a few different things	Mar 14 20:39
balzac	the alpha of jaunty I upgraded to didn’t start gnome-wm by default, so I had windows without borders or title bars	Mar 14 20:39
balzac	I had to run that command to have any window borders	Mar 14 20:40
balzac	then, I was trying some key-bindings and wondering, why are certain key-bindings not available to be reconfigured?	Mar 14 20:40
balzac	then I read Bruce Byfields review of xfce 4.6 and was reminded of how snappy it is, plus you can make windows maximize to fill available space, up against other window borders	Mar 14 20:41
balzac	I like that feature	Mar 14 20:41
balzac	now I’m curious about how customizable are the key-bindings	Mar 14 20:41
balzac	now I just want more unixy-looking window borders	Mar 14 20:42
_Hicham_	do u have a laptop or desktop?	Mar 14 20:45
balzac	I’m configuring my desktop now	Mar 14 20:45
_Hicham_	is it a strong machine?	Mar 14 20:46
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balzac	relatively	Mar 14 20:46
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balzac	Thunar is pretty configurable	Mar 14 20:48
_Hicham_	thunar is great	Mar 14 20:48
balzac	I’ve always got to have my text-based path, not the silly buttons in a row representing the path	Mar 14 20:48
_Hicham_	balzac : Vista took that from Gnome	Mar 14 20:49
tacone	no-evil ?	Mar 14 20:49
tacone	being no-evil is no-fun.	Mar 14 20:49
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_Hicham_	does thunar have tab support?	Mar 14 20:50
balzac	doesn’t seem to	Mar 14 20:51
seller_liar	a better privacy chrome	Mar 14 20:52
seller_liar	srware.net	Mar 14 20:53
_Hicham_	it is still just for Windows	Mar 14 20:55
_Hicham_	they didnt do much then	Mar 14 20:56
_Hicham_	they took the code and compile it	Mar 14 20:56
_Hicham_	what i call real fork is to port chrome to linux	Mar 14 20:56
_Hicham_	balzac : what graphic card do u have?	Mar 14 20:57
balzac	not sure. it’s my work computer and it doesn’t belong to me.	Mar 14 20:57
balzac	Also, it’s a consumer-grade HP desktop with a “club HP” button, search, email, and help keys.	Mar 14 20:58
balzac	I’m not excited enough about this computer to have really inspected it.	Mar 14 20:58
balzac	One of these days, I’m going to treat myself to a new hotrod desktop	Mar 14 20:59
balzac	but first a new full-sized notebook	Mar 14 20:59
_Hicham_	do they allow to install linux on work machines?	Mar 14 21:00
balzac	that was the first thing I did	Mar 14 21:00
balzac	I didn’t use it until I had erased Vista	Mar 14 21:00
schestowitz	OK, done.	Mar 14 21:00
schestowitz	tacone: yes	Mar 14 21:00
schestowitz	But I renamed it	Mar 14 21:00
tacone	oh	Mar 14 21:01
schestowitz	If Novell screws up, then this needs to be said, so it’s no longer sucking up to Novell	Mar 14 21:01
schestowitz	I also didn’t want to commit to just Saturday	Mar 14 21:01
*tacone is correcting Chromium on Ubuntu article		Mar 14 21:01
schestowitz	These posts may seem spurious, BUT	Mar 14 21:01
schestowitz	They are valuable when I need to go back and check who Novell is connected to	Mar 14 21:01
tacone	right.	Mar 14 21:02
schestowitz	It also helps document Novell’s many move while it goes out of existence	Mar 14 21:02
schestowitz	tacone: I will post about SplashTop probably tomorrow	Mar 14 21:02
schestowitz	Also ACTA	Mar 14 21:02
schestowitz	And martin Bean	Mar 14 21:03
tacone	nice.	Mar 14 21:03
schestowitz	(Microsoft shill… CompTIA bastard)	Mar 14 21:03
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schestowitz	Estrella Roja, un sistema operativo por la revolución < http://www.radiomundial.com.ve/y… >	Mar 14 21:04
_Hicham_	Roy : why splashtop violates GPL?	Mar 14 21:04
schestowitz	_Hicham_: unless they fixed it, they wrap it around with blobs	Mar 14 21:04
schestowitz	But I’ll need to check	Mar 14 21:04
schestowitz	Maybe they contribute back all the changes to the GPL parts	Mar 14 21:04
schestowitz	Either way, Express gateway is using Linux not necessarily to help it	Mar 14 21:05
schestowitz	Like phone makers that make Linux phones.. WITHOUT support for Linux desktop	Mar 14 21:05
schestowitz	Same with TomTom BTW	Mar 14 21:05
schestowitz	seller_liar: is Estrella Roja known in Brazil?	Mar 14 21:06
schestowitz	It looks really nice. They renamed… from Red Star IIRC	Mar 14 21:06
_Hicham_	Roy : what can we do if GPL is violated?	Mar 14 21:07
schestowitz	balzac: Iraqi shoe-thrower sentenced to three years in jail < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009… >	Mar 14 21:07
balzac	Donate to the SFLC?	Mar 14 21:07
balzac	Roy, he deserves a medal of honor instead.	Mar 14 21:08
schestowitz	_Hicham_: I’ve already informed them	Mar 14 21:08
schestowitz	balzac: yes, swap places with George	Mar 14 21:08
balzac	Free Muntadar al Zaidi	Mar 14 21:08
schestowitz	George should be sued for leading to distress, which in turn cost a man 2 shoes	Mar 14 21:08
balzac	Jail Bush for life	Mar 14 21:08
_Hicham_	who is gonna listen	Mar 14 21:09
_Hicham_	Zaidi’s ribs are all broken	Mar 14 21:09
schestowitz	_Hicham_: none of the people in the ‘justice’ depts	Mar 14 21:09
_Hicham_	they almost killed him	Mar 14 21:09
_Hicham_	they kicked his ass in front of the president	Mar 14 21:09
schestowitz	What?	Mar 14 21:09
tacone	and broke his wrist	Mar 14 21:09
schestowitz	What’s that? Hubris?	Mar 14 21:09
_Hicham_	Zaidi	Mar 14 21:10
schestowitz	Why in front of the president?	Mar 14 21:10
balzac	The sword of Damocles is hanging from a thread over Bush’s neck	Mar 14 21:10
schestowitz	Which one?	Mar 14 21:10
schestowitz	Bush?	Mar 14 21:10
schestowitz	Sounds saddistic.	Mar 14 21:10
_Hicham_	bush and malki	Mar 14 21:10
schestowitz	What for?	Mar 14 21:10
_Hicham_	at the moment when he threw the shoes	Mar 14 21:10
_Hicham_	didnt u see the video?	Mar 14 21:10
schestowitz	That’s feudalistic.	Mar 14 21:10
balzac	They beat the hell out of al Zaidi right in the midst of the press conference after he threw his shoes.	Mar 14 21:10
schestowitz	Sounds like something from medieval books	Mar 14 21:10
_Hicham_	yes	Mar 14 21:10
_Hicham_	and who cares?	Mar 14 21:11
_Hicham_	no one talks about that	Mar 14 21:11
balzac	_Hicham_: I’m going to have a t-shirt made	Mar 14 21:11
_Hicham_	what democracy bush is talking about?	Mar 14 21:11
_Hicham_	beat someone almost to death because he is so desperate?	Mar 14 21:11
schestowitz	There are bigger problems: Severe global warming will render half of world’s inhabited areas unliveable, expert warns < http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment… >	Mar 14 21:11
schestowitz	Let’s just assume the world is of infinite supply and an infinite garbage dump	Mar 14 21:12
balzac	Ok, I’ll finish my political commentary by saying waterboard Bush.	Mar 14 21:12
_Hicham_	global warming is caused by G7	Mar 14 21:12
schestowitz	_Hicham_: Bush doesn’t understand democracy	Mar 14 21:12
schestowitz	The US is not a democracy	Mar 14 21:12
balzac	waterboard Bush until he confesses his treachery against America.	Mar 14 21:12
schestowitz	Factually speaking	Mar 14 21:12
schestowitz	“Democracy” in the US is reason for wars	Mar 14 21:12
_Hicham_	i would kill bush if i could	Mar 14 21:12
schestowitz	balzac: I don’t think he hates America	Mar 14 21:13
balzac	_Hicham_: luckily you’re saying that from the relative safety of Morocco	Mar 14 21:13
schestowitz	He’s just a devout person.	Mar 14 21:13
schestowitz	Obsession with thy Lord and stuff.	Mar 14 21:13
schestowitz	That’s risky for a president in a largely secular country	Mar 14 21:13
balzac	Roy, Bush hates America with a fiery passion.	Mar 14 21:14
schestowitz	balzac: a lot of people feel this way	Mar 14 21:14
*amarsh04_ (n=amarsh04@ppp121-45-56-191.lns11.adl2.internode.on.net) has joined #boycottnovell		Mar 14 21:14
schestowitz	It doesn’t mean intent	Mar 14 21:14
schestowitz	It’s emotion rather	Mar 14 21:14
schestowitz	Difference between doing something and wanting to do something	Mar 14 21:14
_Hicham_	bush should (at least) be put on trial	Mar 14 21:14
schestowitz	balzac: I doubt it. Why would he hate it?	Mar 14 21:14
schestowitz	It gave him a lot	Mar 14 21:14
schestowitz	_Hicham_: yes, agreed. This is bizarre	Mar 14 21:15
balzac	Bush was never a legitimate president, only a malevolent resident of the White House. His 8 years should be referred to as “The Interegnum”.	Mar 14 21:15
schestowitz	The US has committed many terroristic crimes for decades and not once did the UN manage to bring one to the tribunal	Mar 14 21:15
schestowitz	The technical grounds would be disregard for law	Mar 14 21:15
schestowitz	Simply things like use of banned weapons– knowingly	Mar 14 21:15
balzac	Roy, don’t ask me to explain why Bush deliberately undermined our national security and our economy for 8 years straight.	Mar 14 21:16

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