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03.15.09

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: March 14th, 2009 – Part 1

Posted in IRC Logs at 3:59 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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_Hicham_ here is a funny picture : http://ardenne-informatique.com/~nekrof… Mar 14 00:00
schestowitz guy gets caught masturbating to warcraft < http://www.youtube.com/w… > Mar 14 00:01
balzac heheh Mar 14 00:11
_Hicham_ balzac : where have u been? Mar 14 00:13
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schestowitz Playing warcraft? Mar 14 00:14
_Hicham_ it is weird that balzac stays silent :-/ Mar 14 00:15
schestowitz balzac: playing /your/ warcraft Mar 14 00:16
_Hicham_ total silence Mar 14 00:22
_Hicham_ what is going on? Mar 14 00:23
_Hicham_ everybody is sleeping or what? Mar 14 00:23
_Hicham_ Linux is counting on u … Mar 14 00:23
_Hicham_ wake up all of u Mar 14 00:23
_Hicham_ :D Mar 14 00:23
schestowitz Are these people taking the piss? “1998: Richard Stallman, kind of like your step dad, shaves his beard. It grows back to the same fullness the next day.” http://i.gizmodo.com/5169216/h… Mar 14 00:24
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schestowitz _Hicham_: here’s a beardless RMS, in case you ever wondered: http://www.vivalinux.com.ar/a… Mar 14 00:28
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schestowitz “With the Zypad device, which runs a Linux operating system, one can access a remote host system through integrated wired or wireless interfaces.” http://news.cnet.com/8301-1363… Mar 14 00:32
_Hicham_ RMS looks different without a beard Mar 14 00:38
_Hicham_ i wouldn’t recognize him without a beard Mar 14 00:38
schestowitz Yes, same here. Mar 14 00:42
schestowitz I wonder what I’d look like with a beard. Mar 14 00:42
Balrog_ RMS without a beard? Mar 14 00:42
Balrog_ he has one now, right. Mar 14 00:43
schestowitz I can grow a blonde goatee, but not a beard. Mar 14 00:43
Balrog_ lol Mar 14 00:43
schestowitz Balrog: yes, but watch the trolls from LifeHackers Mar 14 00:43
schestowitz I’m not sure it’s trolling Mar 14 00:43
schestowitz They sort of ignore GNU Mar 14 00:43
schestowitz Then they have a picture of RMS claimed that he shaved it off in 1998. Is it true? Mar 14 00:43
Balrog_ I doubt it Mar 14 00:44
schestowitz Bdale garbee had Linus shave in beard in LCA 2009. Mar 14 00:44
schestowitz RMS is like Samson. Without his beard he’s try Adobe Flash or something. Mar 14 00:44
schestowitz That’s the ‘Delilah’ Mar 14 00:44
_Hicham_ Roy : if the beard isnt black you re ok Mar 14 00:46
_Hicham_ otherwise u ll be a terrorist Mar 14 00:46
MinceR gn Mar 14 00:47
schestowitz _Hicham_: only in the west, I think. Mar 14 00:47
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seller_liar a good history about bluej and crazy micrtosofttt Mar 14 00:50
seller_liar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mi… Mar 14 00:51
Balrog_ stupid Mar 14 00:52
Balrog_ copying someone else’s work and attempting to patent it. :x Mar 14 00:52
seller_liar and this is done in 2005! Mar 14 00:53
Balrog_ and they try patenting ~1yr later Mar 14 00:53
Balrog_ :X Mar 14 00:53
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schestowitz seller_liar: yes, bluej went GPL Mar 14 00:56
schestowitz GPLv3 maybe Mar 14 00:56
schestowitz Just weeks ago Mar 14 00:56
schestowitz Which is great! Mar 14 00:56
seller_liar schestowitz: no, It’s gplv2+classpath Mar 14 00:56
twitter ha, I wonder if M$ would have dropped their patent nonsense had they known bluej would go gpl Mar 14 00:56
schestowitz hey, twitter Mar 14 01:00
schestowitz Seen the Novell story in /.? Mar 14 01:00
schestowitz Check out the comments. Bruce is being funny Mar 14 01:00
schestowitz And some Turfers attack me Mar 14 01:01
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_Hicham_ Roy : I saw an article in which they say that u are under arrest :D Mar 14 02:33
_Hicham_ u r very suspicious :) Mar 14 02:33
_Hicham_ :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D Mar 14 02:33
schestowitz Hehe. Mar 14 02:34
schestowitz Would that be an article calling me a murderer? Mar 14 02:35
schestowitz Or a child molester? Mar 14 02:35
schestowitz or some other fairly tale they made up? Mar 14 02:35
_Hicham_ yes, as a child molester Mar 14 02:38
_Hicham_ :D Mar 14 02:39
_Hicham_ http://help.lockergnome.com/linux/NEWS-… Mar 14 02:39
_Hicham_ really funny Mar 14 02:39
schestowitz Hehe. Mar 14 02:39
_Hicham_ i like people who made things up, they just show how silly they are Mar 14 02:39
schestowitz They even pointed to a non-extent address. Mar 14 02:39
_Hicham_ and give me a chance to laugh Mar 14 02:40
_Hicham_ yes Mar 14 02:40
schestowitz They tried to refute my posts Mar 14 02:40
_Hicham_ the address doesnt exist Mar 14 02:40
schestowitz It’s too hard for them Mar 14 02:40
schestowitz Then they try to find embarrassing things about it Mar 14 02:40
schestowitz *about me Mar 14 02:40
schestowitz They can’t, either Mar 14 02:40
schestowitz So they need to start ‘manufacturing’ stuff, planting it in the intrawebbies. Mar 14 02:40
_Hicham_ hahaha Mar 14 02:42
_Hicham_ they are gonna blow up Mar 14 02:42
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_Hicham_ Roy : are u living in the uk? Mar 14 02:51
schestowitz Yes Mar 14 02:53
_Hicham_ have u met Mark Shuttleworth personally? Mar 14 02:53
schestowitz No, not that it would matter, either Mar 14 02:54
_Hicham_ why not? Mar 14 02:55
schestowitz I mailed him sevral times Mar 14 02:55
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_Hicham_ are u in London? Mar 14 02:55
schestowitz No, up north Mar 14 02:55
_Hicham_ Edinburgh? Mar 14 02:55
schestowitz No, [H]omer_ is around there Mar 14 02:57
_Hicham_ it must be badly cold right now Mar 14 02:58
schestowitz Na, quite all right. It’s spring already Mar 14 03:00
_Hicham_ i heard that it is always raining and cold in the uk Mar 14 03:01
_Hicham_ is that true? Mar 14 03:01
_Hicham_ and most of all foggy Mar 14 03:01
schestowitz Myths Mar 14 03:05
schestowitz Like US is all rich Mar 14 03:05
schestowitz Or China eats cockroaches Mar 14 03:05
schestowitz Or “basketball is for black people” Mar 14 03:06
schestowitz And so on… Mar 14 03:06
schestowitz Stigmas Mar 14 03:06
_Hicham_ but those stereotypes are sometimes fun Mar 14 03:10
seller_liar schestowitz: Hey roy , is it possible to open a page in wiki entitled projects and plans? Mar 14 03:13
schestowitz Sure, sure. Mar 14 03:17
schestowitz Go ahead and put anything in that your find suitable. Mar 14 03:17
seller_liar ok , thank you very much Mar 14 03:17
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mib_5ee5yh cool site Mar 14 04:26
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oiaohm I wish next gcc would get out in wild so wine 64 bit could get out and about. Mar 14 06:55
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oiaohm Planète Béranger seams to be going through a nice big refersal.  Looking he looking at Linux again. Mar 14 07:50
oiaohm http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/20…  << MS Opps we using ARM. Mar 14 08:11
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ZiggyFish schestowitz: have you seen the IE8 FUD that Microsoft has now <http://www.computerworld.com/action/ar… Mar 14 09:11
ZiggyFish Report <http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/det… Mar 14 09:11
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schestowitz oiaohm: yes, Beranger would do that Mar 14 09:32
schestowitz I swore he would come back. He begged for attention… like when ht moved to BSD Mar 14 09:32
schestowitz ZiggyFish: yes, seen it. Microsoft history of lying says it all. Also, they test it on Windows :-D  http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/inde… (see top [part) Mar 14 09:33
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oiaohm olpc going arm is a more interesting one. schestowitz Mar 14 10:21
schestowitz Yes, they might try to chase it Mar 14 10:24
schestowitz Is Windows easily portable to other archs? Mar 14 10:24
schestowitz (i doubt it) Mar 14 10:25
oiaohm Core of windows not that hard. Mar 14 10:25
oiaohm reactos already has a arm port. Mar 14 10:25
oiaohm Applications for windows eep. Mar 14 10:25
schestowitz Yes, I know Mar 14 10:26
schestowitz But the core Windows apps they can recompile Mar 14 10:26
schestowitz ..Though… Mar 14 10:26
oiaohm ppc was done for windows in the past. Mar 14 10:26
schestowitz What would be the point if all WIndows apps are sold as x86 binaries? Mar 14 10:26
oiaohm Almost no applications for ppc windows was released. Mar 14 10:26
schestowitz The whole “it runs Windows apps” argument goes down the s*tter Mar 14 10:26
schestowitz oiaohm: yes, beat me to it! Mar 14 10:27
oiaohm Or worse poor windows users having to put up with cpu selection requirements they never had to before. Mar 14 10:28
oiaohm O well it will kill that dead argument that Linux supports too many cpu types from some camps. Mar 14 10:29
amarsh04_ funnily enough, linux no longer supports 80386 (without 80387), nor sparc32 Mar 14 10:30
oiaohm Linux kernel can still be made run on 80386 Mar 14 10:30
oiaohm Distributions choose not to. Mar 14 10:30
oiaohm When you pull up 386 top speed quite understandable. Mar 14 10:31
amarsh04_ yes, or people just run (or continue to run) old kernels if they still use hardware that old Mar 14 10:31
oiaohm There are still some specialised distributions out there for 80386 Mar 14 10:31
oiaohm Normally for sat work. Mar 14 10:31
oiaohm Yes that is 2.6 series kernels. Mar 14 10:31
amarsh04_ when I worked at <censored> they also used 80376 chips (protected mode only version of i386) Mar 14 10:32
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schestowitz Not even Debian supports it? Mar 14 10:34
*schestowitz looks for links. Mar 14 10:34
schestowitz http://widefox.pbwiki.com/Kernel%20Co… Mar 14 10:34
amarsh04 not in Lenny. Etch supported sparc32 iirc Mar 14 10:34
schestowitz http://widefox.pbwiki.com/Architecture Mar 14 10:34
amarsh04 windows nt at one time supported DEC Alpha, MIPS, and PowerPC cpus Mar 14 10:35
oiaohm debain draws line at i486 something Mar 14 10:36
schestowitz http://widefox.pbwiki.com/CPU Mar 14 10:36
schestowitz That’ the chart I had in mind Mar 14 10:36
schestowitz Watch the Y/N comparison Mar 14 10:36
oiaohm Intergrated maths processor makes live lot less painful. Mar 14 10:36
schestowitz It ridicules Windows. Mar 14 10:36
amarsh04 I was running Debian on a Cyrix “686″ which was a 486 compatible Mar 14 10:37
oiaohm There is a error there.  m88k is support by Linux in uclinux a off line branch. Mar 14 10:38
amarsh04 so it appears that sparc32 is still supported in the kernel, but I wasn’t able to find a sparc32 distro with current kernel Mar 14 10:41
oiaohm Lack of sparc32 processors to test with amarsh04 Mar 14 10:41
oiaohm Sorry to say working sparc32 processes are getting a little hard to get hands on. Mar 14 10:42
amarsh04 In 2003 I was still using an ss10 at work Mar 14 10:43
schestowitz Even Sun seems to be distancing self from SPARC Mar 14 10:44
oiaohm Debain sparc32 disappeared due to lack of maintainers. Mar 14 10:44
oiaohm Not that it will not work. Mar 14 10:44
amarsh04 grub2 has just had sparc support added back in Mar 14 10:45
oiaohm There are sparc users still out there Mar 14 10:46
oiaohm Just not in large numbers amarsh04 needed to maintain a distribution. Mar 14 10:46
amarsh04 my work sparcstation10 had 2 * 50 MHz cpus and 224 MiB RAM… I compiled gcc 3.3 on it once when sunfreeware only had gcc 3.2 and earlier Mar 14 10:46
amarsh04 even with cross-compilation there would be a certain slowness in verifying that compiled code worked on sparc32 Mar 14 10:47
oiaohm http://widefox.pbwiki.com/Scheduler  Look at the bottom of the page. Mar 14 10:50
amarsh04 lots of the schedulers have been mainlined since the 2.6.22 kernel Mar 14 10:54
oiaohm I was refering to the scheduler lag. Mar 14 10:57
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schestowitz Nice picture: http://www.siriusit.co.uk/myblog/… Mar 14 12:51
schestowitz Haha. Here they go… “America’s first federal chief information officer has been placed on leave after one of his former employees was arrested for alleged IT bribery.” http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009… Mar 14 12:55
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schestowitz Did you know you can get # of pageviews on Groklaw articles through the search facility, e.g. http://www.groklaw.net/search.php?query=lyon… ? Mar 14 14:07
oiaohm Different Mar 14 14:11
MinceR how are you gentlemen !! Mar 14 14:12
oiaohm fine Mar 14 14:13
trmanco uh oh Mar 14 14:19
trmanco I would say this if I were them -> “In fact, we’ll give £100 to anyone who can write a Malbolge clone of the Emacs psychotherapist Eliza (m-x-doctor).” Mar 14 14:19
trmanco wouldn’t Mar 14 14:23
trmanco ahh, crap… <would not> geesh Mar 14 14:23
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mib_7seokl hihi Mar 14 14:23
mib_7seokl hihi Mar 14 14:23
oiaohm Hi mib_7seokl Mar 14 14:25
schestowitz Hey Mar 14 14:25
twitter had to laugh at this.  Not one big Suse customer all quarter, http://www.crn.com/software/215900219 Mar 14 14:29
twitter have not had time to look at BN, but I’m sure you covered something as obvious as that and I’m sure you did it better. Mar 14 14:30
twitter bbl Mar 14 14:30
schestowitz Yes, Doug  made a funny post about it Mar 14 14:30
schestowitz (in USENET, moments ago) Mar 14 14:31
schestowitz http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os…. Mar 14 14:31
schestowitz “Once you get your own hardware and software in the living room, you have a customer for life. Earth to Ron come in Ron Hovsepian … “ Mar 14 14:31
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_Hicham_ Hi All! Mar 14 14:59
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amarsh04 hi Hicham Mar 14 15:00
schestowitz Hi. Mar 14 15:01
amarsh04 hi schestowitz… bad drop-out rate at my end over the last 30 hours or so Mar 14 15:08
trmanco https://answers.edge.launchpa… Mar 14 15:14
trmanco wow Mar 14 15:14
trmanco this little answer just gave me 600 karma pois :-O Mar 14 15:14
trmanco points* Mar 14 15:14
schestowitz I saw patch/release to it Mar 14 15:17
schestowitz Something along the lines of a new release that addresses an ICQ issue. I skipped it quickly, so I don’t remember. Mar 14 15:18
trmanco kopete was having that problem too Mar 14 15:18
schestowitz I’ve not used IM since 2004 (aMSN, to contact family and friends). Mar 14 15:18
_Hicham_ Roy : aMSN support conferencing now Mar 14 15:19
trmanco IM is probably going to die, just see how Laconica and Twitter gain popularity Mar 14 15:20
schestowitz Might be Mar 14 15:20
schestowitz Alvaro was implementing themes when I last used it Mar 14 15:20
schestowitz It was on SUSE 8.1 Mar 14 15:20
trmanco social stuff might be the future Mar 14 15:20
trmanco aMSN is going to be rewritten in Python Ithink Mar 14 15:21
schestowitz bkuhn messages me yesterday Mar 14 15:21
schestowitz *ssaged Mar 14 15:21
schestowitz http://www.itwire.com/con… :-) Thanks for posting. http://boycottnovell.com/20… Mar 14 15:27
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schestowitz Document Freedom is coming it less than 2 weeks < http://www.ossblog.it/post/4716/docu… > Mar 14 15:34
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mib_dnkgzn hi friends Mar 14 15:42
schestowitz Hey there. Mar 14 15:42
schestowitz What’s up? Mar 14 15:42
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schestowitz Someone says HP will put some SLED on mini-laptops. H-P has already got its own variant of GNU/Linux for these machines/form factor and it’s based on Ubuntu (Debian). Wouldn’t SLE be ‘heavy’? Mar 14 16:03
schestowitz Amsterdammed: Linden Lab to Segregate “Adult” Content in Second Life to Red Light Continent (Real Life ID Required) < http://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/2009/03/r… > Mar 14 16:03
schestowitz 45,000 Mexican military personnel have been dispatched to centers of drug violence across the country to stamp out the growing violence. < http://www.alternet.org/drugreporter/1313…  > Mar 14 16:03
schestowitz Anonymity getting the boost: Why Tor is slow and what we’re going to do about it < https://blog.torproject.org/blog… > Mar 14 16:05
schestowitz http://www.theregister.co.uk/200… “Opposition parties are today renewing calls for a proper investigation into the Iraq war because a Freedom of Information request has revealed senior officials were concerned about how the intelligence was presented.” Mar 14 16:06
schestowitz The Kindness of Strangers < http://www.schneier.com/blog/archiv… > Schneier on a society that wants to keep people isolated. Mar 14 16:08
schestowitz UK Music Biz Labels Google ‘Cynical And Exploitative’< http://www.paidcontent.co.uk/entry/419… > Mar 14 16:10
schestowitz Bad guys finish last: MPAA Matches RIAA In Massive Layoffs < http://techdirt.com/articles/2… > Mar 14 16:13
schestowitz David Wood on the pseudo-open Symbian: http://blog.symbian.org/2009/03/… They should really give up on software patents already. They have caused so much damage at Nokia. Mar 14 16:15
schestowitz Matt Asay parrots Microsoft big liars: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1… Does he not know ClickStream is MS employees? Mar 14 16:16
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schestowitz So You Think This Is A Democracy? < http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archiv… > UK ambassador on democracy that doesn’t exist. (not even in the US and UK where polyarchy prevails) Mar 14 16:18
schestowitz The new European Commission  < http://www.euractiv.com/en/opinion/new-e… >. Will they get rid of Charlie McCreevy, at last? Mar 14 16:20
schestowitz How GCPedia will save the public service < http://eaves.ca/2009/03/12/how… > Mar 14 16:21
schestowitz http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_stor… “MS does not simply want to ‘weaken the foundations of open source’, they want to kill free software and the GPL. That is their ultimate goal.” Mar 14 16:29
schestowitz trmanco: The other COLA[nnounce]: A number of sites have posted copies of the original posting on comp.os.linux.announce < http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story… > Mar 14 16:36
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trmanco cool Mar 14 16:48
_Hicham_ that was the time when debian was just starting Mar 14 16:52
_Hicham_ or it hasn’t even started Mar 14 16:52
_Hicham_ there was just slackware, right? Mar 14 16:52
_Hicham_ I am compiling mplayer right now Mar 14 16:53
_Hicham_ compilation takes a lot of time Mar 14 16:53
_Hicham_ im glad that gcc is supporting precompiled headers Mar 14 16:53
schestowitz Debian started in 2993? Mar 14 16:54
schestowitz *1992 Mar 14 16:54
_Hicham_ in 1994 i think Mar 14 16:54
schestowitz Yes, that sounds like it may be right Mar 14 16:54
_Hicham_ slackware in late 1993 Mar 14 16:54
schestowitz Depends what milestone you mark Mar 14 16:54
_Hicham_ slackware is the oldest distro Mar 14 16:55
schestowitz It’s rather dumb how they announced Linux to be 15 Mar 14 16:55
schestowitz Because that was a while ago Mar 14 16:55
schestowitz They re-celebrate birthdays based on different events. Mar 14 16:55
_Hicham_ i think 1.0 is the official version Mar 14 16:55
_Hicham_ not what linus wrote Mar 14 16:55
schestowitz _Hicham_: I’m not sure if it’s true Mar 14 16:55
schestowitz _Hicham_: the first distro was made right here Mar 14 16:55
schestowitz MCC Mar 14 16:55
_Hicham_ MCC? Mar 14 16:55
schestowitz By Owen Le Blanc Mar 14 16:55
schestowitz I worked with him, sort of Mar 14 16:56
_Hicham_ in the UK? Mar 14 16:56
schestowitz See the timelines in Wikipedia Mar 14 16:56
schestowitz _Hicham_: first combination of GNU and Linux Mar 14 16:56
schestowitz From FTP Mar 14 16:56
schestowitz I worked at MCC for about 7 years Mar 14 16:56
_Hicham_ wow Mar 14 16:56
_Hicham_ and u dont use it now? Mar 14 16:56
schestowitz No, MCC is the place Mar 14 16:57
schestowitz Also distro name Mar 14 16:57
schestowitz Owen uses Debian now, I think Mar 14 16:57
_Hicham_ why did u drop it? Mar 14 16:57
schestowitz The job? It wasn’t worth is anymore Mar 14 16:57
schestowitz I quit a while ago. I had 2 jobs there. Mar 14 16:58
_Hicham_ no, I mean the distro Mar 14 16:58
schestowitz One in April 2006 because I wanted to concentrate on finishing my thesis Mar 14 16:58
schestowitz Then I left another role in Sept. 2007 Mar 14 16:58
schestowitz Because I finished pretty much everything on campus Mar 14 16:58
_Hicham_ ah, i see Mar 14 16:59
_Hicham_ and now mcc is abandoned for good? Mar 14 16:59
schestowitz It’s renamed Mar 14 16:59
schestowitz Was the ‘gunman warning’ a hoax? < http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1… >. I reckon computer games do play a role. Mar 14 17:00
_Hicham_ what is its name now? Mar 14 17:00
_Hicham_ i read in wikipedia that its users were urged to migrate to Debian Mar 14 17:00
Eruaran hello Mar 14 17:02
schestowitz Fun gallery: MP3 Players: Whose is Smallest? < http://www.pcworld.com/article/161… > Mar 14 17:03
schestowitz http://www.washingtontimes.com/ne… “The Justice Department on Friday jettisoned the term “enemy combatant” and said the president does not have the authority to order detainees held at the military prison at Guantanamo Bay. “ Mar 14 17:06
schestowitz Memorise this: ***00000099#* (How to open many keypad-access doors  < http://david.weebly.com/1/post/2009/… >) Mar 14 17:08
Eruaran I think I’ve just heard the best cover of John Lennons Imagine ever Mar 14 17:09
Eruaran Neil Young live on the piano doing it right Mar 14 17:09
schestowitz Anything on Youtube? Mar 14 17:10
Eruaran haven’t looked… probably though.. this is on tv right now here Mar 14 17:10
Eruaran I’m watching Rage… the all night music program that has been on ABC1 here since the 80′s Mar 14 17:11
Eruaran Been through a bunch of Beck clips, Elliot Smith and now Neil Young Mar 14 17:11
Eruaran A bit of Aimee Mann Mar 14 17:11
Eruaran Rage is still the best Mar 14 17:11
schestowitz Is Apple’s mystery product a netpad? < http://www.deviceguru.com/is-a… > Mar 14 17:12
schestowitz g2g bbl Mar 14 17:12
Eruaran Friday nights Rage covers new material and on Saturday nights it tends to cover a more ecclectic mix, sometimes with guest programmers covering particular artists… Mar 14 17:13
Eruaran bb Mar 14 17:13
Eruaran Doing Leonard Cohen now… Mar 14 17:22
Eruaran Rage songlist tonight is from Bill Callahan (Smog) Mar 14 17:23
_Hicham_ i installed the latest svn version of mplayer Mar 14 17:40
_Hicham_ it works like a charm Mar 14 17:40
Eruaran hello _Hicham_ Mar 14 17:40
_Hicham_ hi Erauaran Mar 14 17:40
_Hicham_ how r u doing? Mar 14 17:40
Eruaran ah not bad Mar 14 17:40
Eruaran hows things in your part of the world Mar 14 17:41
_Hicham_ it is going well, thank u Eruaran Mar 14 17:41
_Hicham_ mplayer is the only player in the world Mar 14 17:41
_Hicham_ there is no equivalent player Mar 14 17:41
_Hicham_ have anyone found an equivalent player? Mar 14 17:42
Eruaran I haven’t used MPlayer in ages Mar 14 17:44
Eruaran Never seems to work right for me Mar 14 17:44
Eruaran KMPlayer works though Mar 14 17:44
Eruaran I use KMPlayer to record streams Mar 14 17:44
_Hicham_ KMplayer is based on mplayer Mar 14 17:46
_Hicham_ it is just a frond end Mar 14 17:46
_Hicham_ i used other players Mar 14 17:48
_Hicham_ VLC, Totem, Xine, and some Windows only players Mar 14 17:49
_Hicham_ but mplayer is still the greatest of all Mar 14 17:49
_Hicham_ oh, God, when will the day come when gnash can replace adobe flash player? Mar 14 17:50
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Eruaran yes, but for some reason I can never get much productivity out of vanilla mplayer Mar 14 18:07
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Eruaran I would like to see Adobe open up flash Mar 14 18:07
Eruaran I think if they feel under pressure enough from Silverlight at any stage then they will Mar 14 18:08
_Hicham_ i dont think so Mar 14 18:17
_Hicham_ Roy is busy Mar 14 18:32
_Hicham_ too sad that gnash still doesnt work Mar 14 18:34
_Hicham_ i imagine how u would look with a beard Roy Mar 14 18:36
_Hicham_ u should try a beard Mar 14 18:36
Eruaran lol Mar 14 18:37
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tacone schestowitz: here ? Mar 14 18:38
MinceR facial hair is overrated. Mar 14 18:38
Eruaran he’s afk atm Mar 14 18:40
Eruaran I have facial hair Mar 14 18:40
_Hicham_ like RMS? Mar 14 18:40
Eruaran no Mar 14 18:41
_Hicham_ we should all become like RMS Mar 14 18:41
Eruaran not like that :P Mar 14 18:41
_Hicham_ or like Torvalds Mar 14 18:41
_Hicham_ we have to choose a camp Mar 14 18:41
_Hicham_ the camp of beards Mar 14 18:41
_Hicham_ or the camp or razors Mar 14 18:41
Eruaran I’m not into high maintenance beards Mar 14 18:41
_Hicham_ :D Mar 14 18:41
_Hicham_ Roy is silent O:-) Mar 14 18:42
_Hicham_ must be eating Mar 14 18:42
tacone or sleeping. Mar 14 18:42
_Hicham_ i think that everyone is sleeping in here Mar 14 19:01
_Hicham_ not just Roy Mar 14 19:01
_Hicham_ it is not night yet for Roy Mar 14 19:03
schestowitz Just got back Mar 14 19:18
schestowitz tacone: what’s up? Mar 14 19:18
tacone hey schestowitz, i just was wondering if spashtop is compatible with linux. Mar 14 19:18
tacone is it ? Mar 14 19:19
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schestowitz tacone: I think now Mar 14 19:19
schestowitz Eruaran would know about Express Gate Mar 14 19:19
tacone http://compraonline.mediaworld.it/web… Mar 14 19:19
tacone *Express Gate è disponibile solo per la versione Windows XP Mar 14 19:20
tacone (available only on winxp) Mar 14 19:20
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/… http://boycottnovell.com/2008/0… Mar 14 19:20
Eruaran There is no linux installer Mar 14 19:20
schestowitz ASUS: “Currently, We’re Closely Tied up With Microsoft” < http://boycottnovell.com/2008/07/2… > Mar 14 19:20
tacone seems like i don’t read bn enough Mar 14 19:20
tacone lol Mar 14 19:20
tacone how does all that mixes with the fact is patented ? Mar 14 19:21
schestowitz Not sure it’s related Mar 14 19:22
tacone and the only competitor is novell’s made dell’s bios ? Mar 14 19:22
tacone i’m sure it’s not related. it’s just an unfortunate mix. Mar 14 19:22
Eruaran I think Express Gate may violate the GPL Mar 14 19:22
schestowitz Yes Mar 14 19:22
schestowitz I think so Mar 14 19:23
schestowitz Hold on Mar 14 19:23
schestowitz I’ll find a zdnet thing Mar 14 19:23
Eruaran If you want to install it, you are required to install a proprietary operating system first. Mar 14 19:23
tacone :-( Mar 14 19:23
Eruaran Its artificially tied to Windows. Mar 14 19:23
schestowitz I can’t find it Mar 14 19:25
schestowitz http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&a… Mar 14 19:25
schestowitz Anyway. it’s about them slicing it Mar 14 19:25
schestowitz Half is FOSS, the rest proprietary Mar 14 19:26
schestowitz So the patented part might be totally proprietary, just not marketed as such Mar 14 19:26
Eruaran yes Mar 14 19:26
tacone they are very open to developers Mar 14 19:26
tacone that sort of reminds of google Mar 14 19:26
schestowitz They’ve already violated GPL Mar 14 19:26
schestowitz With the Xandros thing Mar 14 19:26
tacone public api to get advantage of a ultra-proprietary thing. Mar 14 19:27
schestowitz They were asked to correct this Mar 14 19:27
schestowitz They did Mar 14 19:27
schestowitz And they put up some page about it Mar 14 19:27
Eruaran It puts GPL software in a ‘black box’ situation Mar 14 19:27
Eruaran It violates the four laws Mar 14 19:27
schestowitz GPL  comprehension/respect is poorer in the east Mar 14 19:27
schestowitz http://lists.gpl-violations.org/piper… ASUS SplashTop and Phoenix Hyperspace infringing kernel copyright and GPL Mar 14 19:28
schestowitz GPL = copyright privileges Mar 14 19:28
schestowitz “SplashTop’s so-called source code (http://www.splashtop.com/download3…) contains a few patches to the Linux kernel but not the whole, compilable modified kernel source code as the GPL requires. This clearly constitutes a copyright violation.” Mar 14 19:28
schestowitz ASUS SplashTop is a GPL violation, unless they have fixed it < http://lists.gpl-violations.or… > Mar 14 19:29
tacone nice to know. Mar 14 19:30
Eruaran With Express Gate you don’t have “The freedom to run the program, for any purpose”, you don’t have “” Mar 14 19:30
Eruaran etc Mar 14 19:30
tacone A splashtop round up would be nice. Mar 14 19:30
schestowitz Yes, I think so Mar 14 19:31
schestowitz I’ll bring it up Mar 14 19:31
schestowitz Got to take a shower now anyway Mar 14 19:31
schestowitz brb Mar 14 19:31
tacone :-) Mar 14 19:31
tacone bye Mar 14 19:31
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Eruaran I love KPackageKit’s integration with System Settings Mar 14 19:39
_Hicham_ is Splashtop usable on every computer? Mar 14 19:42
tacone on every computer with windows O:-) Mar 14 19:43
tacone _Hicham_: splashtop is a linux embedded in the motherboard Mar 14 19:43
tacone that means you get it with the motherboard. you can’t install it on a computer which didn’t come with it ? Mar 14 19:44
tacone err Mar 14 19:44
tacone (was not a question, “?” is a typo) Mar 14 19:44
_Hicham_ i see Mar 14 19:44
_Hicham_ it is in the rom memory then Mar 14 19:45
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_Hicham_ i just installed latest kernel Mar 14 19:56
balzac -_- Mar 14 20:05
schestowitz would be interesting when you can upgrade/change /a/ kernal Mar 14 20:08
schestowitz Like switching from GNU Hurd to Linux and vice versa transparently Mar 14 20:09
schestowitz Like KHTML and Webkit or Gecko Mar 14 20:09
schestowitz Interview: Ralph Nader Says We’re Living Under Corporate Fascism < http://consumerist.com/373394/interview-… > Mar 14 20:10
balzac schestowitz: there’s a kernel function called kexec that might be useful for that sort of thing, but only switching between various linux kernels Mar 14 20:13
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balzac Hurd is so out of date with modern hardware, may as well just be run as a VM or on older hardware. Mar 14 20:14
balzac PIII perhaps Mar 14 20:14
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*schestowitz digs into ACTA. Ugly stuff! Mar 14 20:19
balzac I just switched from Gnome to XFCE Mar 14 20:26
balzac I read a review by Bruce Byfield which mentioned some nice features Mar 14 20:26
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balzac hey Balrog_ Mar 14 20:27
Balrog_ hey Mar 14 20:27
balzac I have to say, the default system font in XFCE is a bit blurry and small Mar 14 20:27
Balrog_ adjust the font-rendering settings Mar 14 20:27
balzac adjusting… Mar 14 20:29
balzac I found some font settings under appearance Mar 14 20:30
_Hicham_ hi balzac Mar 14 20:30
balzac Also, what are the keyboard shortcuts for filling the screen with various windows? Mar 14 20:30
balzac hey _Hicham_ Mar 14 20:31
_Hicham_ how is it compared to gnome? Mar 14 20:31
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balzac snappier when I switch themes Mar 14 20:31
balzac nice so far, but I want the system font to be more crisp, less anti-aliased Mar 14 20:32
MinceR that might be a function of your hinting settings Mar 14 20:33
balzac where can I find those settings? Mar 14 20:33
MinceR dunno Mar 14 20:33
MinceR if you have a font settings dialog, it’s there Mar 14 20:34
MinceR then again, xfce uses gtk which should use the same settings as under gnome Mar 14 20:34
MinceR so i don’t know what’s up Mar 14 20:34
balzac Maybe I just need to find a font which looks good without antialiasing Mar 14 20:34
_Hicham_ balzac : use DejaVu Mar 14 20:35
balzac I see the hinting now, MinceR Mar 14 20:35
_Hicham_ the font setting should be in appearance Mar 14 20:35
balzac _Hicham_: I’ll try it Mar 14 20:35
_Hicham_ same as gnome i think Mar 14 20:35
balzac I’m getting a good result using just sans with full hinting Mar 14 20:36
_Hicham_ Sans is great font Mar 14 20:37
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balzac The only thing is that the system font doesn’t seem to change the application font. FF3 has blurry menu items, while the title-bar is now crisp. Mar 14 20:38
balzac I know I’m not using the right terminology. I’m restarting FF to see what happens. Mar 14 20:38
balzac that did it Mar 14 20:39
_Hicham_ balzac : whick distro is this? Mar 14 20:39
balzac the restart of FF made the new font take hold Mar 14 20:39
balzac Ubuntu, Jaunty Jackelope Mar 14 20:39
balzac what got me looking for another desktop was a few different things Mar 14 20:39
balzac the alpha of jaunty I upgraded to didn’t start gnome-wm by default, so I had windows without borders or title bars Mar 14 20:39
balzac I had to run that command to have any window borders Mar 14 20:40
balzac then, I was trying some key-bindings and wondering, why are certain key-bindings not available to be reconfigured? Mar 14 20:40
balzac then I read Bruce Byfields review of xfce 4.6 and was reminded of how snappy it is, plus you can make windows maximize to fill available space, up against other window borders Mar 14 20:41
balzac I like that feature Mar 14 20:41
balzac now I’m curious about how customizable are the key-bindings Mar 14 20:41
balzac now I just want more unixy-looking window borders Mar 14 20:42
_Hicham_ do u have a laptop or desktop? Mar 14 20:45
balzac I’m configuring my desktop now Mar 14 20:45
_Hicham_ is it a strong machine? Mar 14 20:46
*schestowitz almost done typing rubbish :-) Mar 14 20:46
balzac relatively Mar 14 20:46
*schestowitz hates doing Saturday posts Mar 14 20:47
balzac Thunar is pretty configurable Mar 14 20:48
_Hicham_ thunar is great Mar 14 20:48
balzac I’ve always got to have my text-based path, not the silly buttons in a row representing the path Mar 14 20:48
_Hicham_ balzac : Vista took that from Gnome Mar 14 20:49
tacone no-evil ? Mar 14 20:49
tacone being no-evil is no-fun. Mar 14 20:49
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_Hicham_ does thunar have tab support? Mar 14 20:50
balzac doesn’t seem to Mar 14 20:51
seller_liar a better privacy chrome Mar 14 20:52
seller_liar srware.net Mar 14 20:53
_Hicham_ it is still just for Windows Mar 14 20:55
_Hicham_ they didnt do much then Mar 14 20:56
_Hicham_ they took the code and compile it Mar 14 20:56
_Hicham_ what i call real fork is to port chrome to linux Mar 14 20:56
_Hicham_ balzac : what graphic card do u have? Mar 14 20:57
balzac not sure. it’s my work computer and it doesn’t belong to me. Mar 14 20:57
balzac Also, it’s a consumer-grade HP desktop with a “club HP” button, search, email, and help keys. Mar 14 20:58
balzac I’m not excited enough about this computer to have really inspected it. Mar 14 20:58
balzac One of these days, I’m going to treat myself to a new hotrod desktop Mar 14 20:59
balzac but first a new full-sized notebook Mar 14 20:59
_Hicham_ do they allow to install linux on work machines? Mar 14 21:00
balzac that was the first thing I did Mar 14 21:00
balzac I didn’t use it until I had erased Vista Mar 14 21:00
schestowitz OK, done. Mar 14 21:00
schestowitz tacone: yes Mar 14 21:00
schestowitz But I renamed it Mar 14 21:00
tacone oh Mar 14 21:01
schestowitz If Novell screws up, then this needs to be said, so it’s no longer sucking up to Novell Mar 14 21:01
schestowitz I also didn’t want to commit to just Saturday Mar 14 21:01
*tacone is correcting Chromium on Ubuntu article Mar 14 21:01
schestowitz These posts may seem spurious, BUT Mar 14 21:01
schestowitz They are valuable when I need to go back and check who Novell is connected to Mar 14 21:01
tacone right. Mar 14 21:02
schestowitz It also helps document Novell’s many move while it goes out of existence Mar 14 21:02
schestowitz tacone: I will post about SplashTop probably tomorrow Mar 14 21:02
schestowitz Also ACTA Mar 14 21:02
schestowitz And martin Bean Mar 14 21:03
tacone nice. Mar 14 21:03
schestowitz (Microsoft shill… CompTIA bastard) Mar 14 21:03
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schestowitz Estrella Roja, un sistema operativo por la revolución < http://www.radiomundial.com.ve/y… > Mar 14 21:04
_Hicham_ Roy : why splashtop violates GPL? Mar 14 21:04
schestowitz _Hicham_: unless they fixed it, they wrap it around with blobs Mar 14 21:04
schestowitz But I’ll need to check Mar 14 21:04
schestowitz Maybe they contribute back all the changes to the GPL parts Mar 14 21:04
schestowitz Either way, Express gateway is using Linux not necessarily to help it Mar 14 21:05
schestowitz Like phone makers that make Linux phones.. WITHOUT support for Linux desktop Mar 14 21:05
schestowitz Same with TomTom BTW Mar 14 21:05
schestowitz seller_liar: is Estrella Roja known in Brazil? Mar 14 21:06
schestowitz It looks really nice. They renamed… from Red Star IIRC Mar 14 21:06
_Hicham_ Roy : what can we do if GPL is violated? Mar 14 21:07
schestowitz balzac: Iraqi shoe-thrower sentenced to three years in jail < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009… > Mar 14 21:07
balzac Donate to the SFLC? Mar 14 21:07
balzac Roy, he deserves a medal of honor instead. Mar 14 21:08
schestowitz _Hicham_: I’ve already informed them Mar 14 21:08
schestowitz balzac: yes, swap places with George Mar 14 21:08
balzac Free Muntadar al Zaidi Mar 14 21:08
schestowitz George should be sued for leading to distress, which in turn cost a man 2 shoes Mar 14 21:08
balzac Jail Bush for life Mar 14 21:08
_Hicham_ who is gonna listen Mar 14 21:09
_Hicham_ Zaidi’s ribs are all broken Mar 14 21:09
schestowitz _Hicham_: none of the people in the ‘justice’ depts Mar 14 21:09
_Hicham_ they almost killed him Mar 14 21:09
_Hicham_ they kicked his ass in front of the president Mar 14 21:09
schestowitz What? Mar 14 21:09
tacone and broke his wrist Mar 14 21:09
schestowitz What’s that? Hubris? Mar 14 21:09
_Hicham_ Zaidi Mar 14 21:10
schestowitz Why in front of the president? Mar 14 21:10
balzac The sword of Damocles is hanging from a thread over Bush’s neck Mar 14 21:10
schestowitz Which one? Mar 14 21:10
schestowitz Bush? Mar 14 21:10
schestowitz Sounds saddistic. Mar 14 21:10
_Hicham_ bush and malki Mar 14 21:10
schestowitz What for? Mar 14 21:10
_Hicham_ at the moment when he threw the shoes Mar 14 21:10
_Hicham_ didnt u see the video? Mar 14 21:10
schestowitz That’s feudalistic. Mar 14 21:10
balzac They beat the hell out of al Zaidi right in the midst of the press conference after he threw his shoes. Mar 14 21:10
schestowitz Sounds like something from medieval books Mar 14 21:10
_Hicham_ yes Mar 14 21:10
_Hicham_ and who cares? Mar 14 21:11
_Hicham_ no one talks about that Mar 14 21:11
balzac _Hicham_: I’m going to have a t-shirt made Mar 14 21:11
_Hicham_ what democracy bush is talking about? Mar 14 21:11
_Hicham_ beat someone almost to death because he is so desperate? Mar 14 21:11
schestowitz There are bigger problems: Severe global warming will render half of world’s inhabited areas unliveable, expert warns < http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment… > Mar 14 21:11
schestowitz Let’s just assume the world is of infinite supply and an infinite garbage dump Mar 14 21:12
balzac Ok, I’ll finish my political commentary by saying waterboard Bush. Mar 14 21:12
_Hicham_ global warming is caused by G7 Mar 14 21:12
schestowitz _Hicham_: Bush doesn’t understand democracy Mar 14 21:12
schestowitz The US is not a democracy Mar 14 21:12
balzac waterboard Bush until he confesses his treachery against America. Mar 14 21:12
schestowitz Factually speaking Mar 14 21:12
schestowitz “Democracy” in the US is reason for wars Mar 14 21:12
_Hicham_ i would kill bush if i could Mar 14 21:12
schestowitz balzac: I don’t think he hates America Mar 14 21:13
balzac _Hicham_: luckily you’re saying that from the relative safety of Morocco Mar 14 21:13
schestowitz He’s just a devout person. Mar 14 21:13
schestowitz Obsession with thy Lord and stuff. Mar 14 21:13
schestowitz That’s risky for a president in a largely secular country Mar 14 21:13
balzac Roy, Bush hates America with a fiery passion. Mar 14 21:14
schestowitz balzac:  a lot of people feel this way Mar 14 21:14
*amarsh04_ (n=amarsh04@ppp121-45-56-191.lns11.adl2.internode.on.net) has joined #boycottnovell Mar 14 21:14
schestowitz It doesn’t mean intent Mar 14 21:14
schestowitz It’s emotion rather Mar 14 21:14
schestowitz Difference between doing something and wanting to do something Mar 14 21:14
_Hicham_ bush should (at least) be put on trial Mar 14 21:14
schestowitz balzac: I doubt it. Why would he hate it? Mar 14 21:14
schestowitz It gave him a lot Mar 14 21:14
schestowitz _Hicham_: yes, agreed. This is bizarre Mar 14 21:15
balzac Bush was never a legitimate president, only a malevolent resident of the White House. His 8 years should be referred to as “The Interegnum”. Mar 14 21:15
schestowitz The US has committed many terroristic crimes for decades and not once did the UN manage to bring one to the tribunal Mar 14 21:15
schestowitz The technical grounds would be disregard for law Mar 14 21:15
schestowitz Simply things like use of banned weapons– knowingly Mar 14 21:15
balzac Roy, don’t ask me to explain why Bush deliberately undermined our national security and our economy for 8 years straight. Mar 14 21:16
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