03.30.09

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: March 29th, 2009 – Part 1

Posted in IRC Logs at 4:30 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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_Hicham_	u have to detect whether it is Microsoft of not	Mar 29 00:00
_Hicham_	Roy : I am telling u why Silverlight might attract developers	Mar 29 00:01
_Hicham_	Silverlight uses the existing .NET APIs	Mar 29 00:01
MinceR	oh, yay	Mar 29 00:01
MinceR	and who is attracted to those?	Mar 29 00:01
_Hicham_	MinceR : the existing .NET devs	Mar 29 00:02
_Hicham_	.NET was quite a huge investment	Mar 29 00:02
_Hicham_	they spend three years developing it	Mar 29 00:02
_Hicham_	and it costs them $3 billion	Mar 29 00:03
_Hicham_	$3 billion is not easy as investment	Mar 29 00:03
MinceR	doesn’t automatically make it good	Mar 29 00:03
_Hicham_	I am not talking about being good or not	Mar 29 00:03
MinceR	m$ has “invested” a lot of money into locking people into their platform and preventing others from competing	Mar 29 00:03
MinceR	it’s all collapsing now	Mar 29 00:03
_Hicham_	yeah, the recession is helping	Mar 29 00:04
MinceR	the only ones who would be motivated by the amount of money spent on developing .NET to use it work for m$	Mar 29 00:04
MinceR	the amount of money spent is irrelevant to others in that regard	Mar 29 00:04
_Hicham_	I see ur point	Mar 29 00:05
_Hicham_	but they were not doing it for nothing	Mar 29 00:05
_Hicham_	MS technology have nothing to do with being good or no	Mar 29 00:06
_Hicham_	we know that a lot of MS technology is not good from the start	Mar 29 00:06
_Hicham_	for example, OLE/COM technology	Mar 29 00:06
_Hicham_	it wasn’t approved by all MS devs	Mar 29 00:06
_Hicham_	but it is still here	Mar 29 00:07
_Hicham_	because it was an investment	Mar 29 00:07
_Hicham_	no one is talking again	Mar 29 00:08
_Hicham_	where are oiaohm and balzac?	Mar 29 00:08
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schestowitz	_Hicham_: the $bn investment is BS	Mar 29 00:10
schestowitz	Like Vista	Mar 29 00:10
schestowitz	Longhorn -> trash	Mar 29 00:10
schestowitz	“$6bn” figure is intended to generate hype	Mar 29 00:11
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schestowitz	Perceived valuie	Mar 29 00:11
schestowitz	Marketing 101	Mar 29 00:11
schestowitz	“When you use .NET, you use a $3,000,000,000m project” WOW! Mamma mia!	Mar 29 00:11
Balrog_	Java is a bigger project	Mar 29 00:12
Balrog_	or was *	Mar 29 00:12
schestowitz	“When you use FOSS, you use communism”	Mar 29 00:12
schestowitz	“You’re getting very sleepy”	Mar 29 00:12
schestowitz	Remember SideShow?	Mar 29 00:12
Balrog_	yeah, that’s what one dev I talked to was saying …	Mar 29 00:12
schestowitz	And ReadyBoost?	Mar 29 00:12
schestowitz	“Ultimate Extras”? LMAO	Mar 29 00:12
Balrog_	says I’m ‘young and idealistic’	Mar 29 00:12
Balrog_	wants people to use BSD-style licenses	Mar 29 00:12
schestowitz	Balrog:IS	Mar 29 00:12
schestowitz	Java is still by far the biggest	Mar 29 00:13
schestowitz	Unless you tune in to Wintel Spintell press	Mar 29 00:13
schestowitz	BSD breeds proprietary	Mar 29 00:13
Balrog_	sure it does	Mar 29 00:13
_Hicham_	MS created .NET to counter Java	Mar 29 00:14
Balrog_	doesn’t like LGPL even	Mar 29 00:14
Balrog_	(that guy)	Mar 29 00:14
schestowitz	Like nude women can breed rape	Mar 29 00:14
_Hicham_	and they want to take the road of Java	Mar 29 00:14
_Hicham_	they created codeplex to host open source .NET projects	Mar 29 00:14
_Hicham_	they want to gather a community	Mar 29 00:14
_Hicham_	like Java’s one?	Mar 29 00:14
schestowitz	http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/theo… ([theora] libtheora 1.1alpha1 (thusnelda) release)	Mar 29 00:15
schestowitz	Yes, they talked about it	Mar 29 00:15
Eruaran\|alphates	.NET doesn’t run on anything but Windows	Mar 29 00:15
schestowitz	They know they are dying	Mar 29 00:15
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schestowitz	Becaus they say the devs (brightest ones) go to FOSS	Mar 29 00:15
schestowitz	And their only way to fight back is to emulate and steal that	Mar 29 00:15
schestowitz	Not working for them	Mar 29 00:15
schestowitz	It has gone almost nowhere on _BIG INVESTMENTS_	Mar 29 00:16
schestowitz	And umping too	Mar 29 00:16
Balrog_	yeah….	Mar 29 00:16
_Hicham_	MSFT is around $18	Mar 29 00:17
MinceR	http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?s…	Mar 29 00:20
MinceR	ooh, SideShow! the technology that allows your laptop’s display to get scratched even if the lid is closed! :>	Mar 29 00:20
schestowitz	Use a PDA	Mar 29 00:25
schestowitz	You can take your ‘SideShow without lugging a laptop	Mar 29 00:25
schestowitz	Same components…	Mar 29 00:25
MinceR		Mar 29 00:25
schestowitz	Use Wifi to connect	Mar 29 00:25
schestowitz	Who’s the idiot who came up with SideShow?	Mar 29 00:25
schestowitz	Probably the same fool who thought people would pay $15,000 for some big ass table with no apps	Mar 29 00:25
schestowitz	They wanted to kill the product	Mar 29 00:26
schestowitz	Robert Bach wanted to kill it	Mar 29 00:26
schestowitz	But BillG resisted	Mar 29 00:26
MinceR	someone from the m$ marketing division	Mar 29 00:26
schestowitz	They knew it would be a disaster	Mar 29 00:26
schestowitz	But Billie had a dream	Mar 29 00:26
MinceR	(one of the three divisions of m$, the other two being legal and sales)	Mar 29 00:26
schestowitz	Not it’s a total disaster but the Wintel press is to shy to write about it	Mar 29 00:26
schestowitz	The next SPOT Watch	Mar 29 00:26
schestowitz	DOA	Mar 29 00:26
schestowitz	It’s actually people like BillG who said something like “this is the stupidest f*ing idea I’ve hever read”	Mar 29 00:27
schestowitz	He said it to a nervous new guy who presented	Mar 29 00:27
schestowitz	Sometimes he sleeps when people talk	Mar 29 00:27
schestowitz	And yell at people	Mar 29 00:27
schestowitz	They call him a bully at MS	Mar 29 00:27
MinceR	what do they call SweatyBeast then?	Mar 29 00:28
schestowitz	They don’t call it “legal” BTW	Mar 29 00:28
schestowitz	They cal it “engineers”	Mar 29 00:28
schestowitz	They engineer patents	Mar 29 00:28
schestowitz	10,000 successful ones	Mar 29 00:29
schestowitz	Including greatest hits like the smiley face	Mar 29 00:29
schestowitz	SweatyBeast?	Mar 29 00:29
schestowitz	The other one	Mar 29 00:29
schestowitz	Let me find the video	Mar 29 00:29
schestowitz	http://www.youtube.com/watch?…	Mar 29 00:30
schestowitz	Is he trying to be funny or just lunatic-type scary?	Mar 29 00:30
MinceR	i’m sure they entertain the illusion of doing engineering	Mar 29 00:31
MinceR	just like that other marketing department called apple	Mar 29 00:32
_Hicham_	Roy : is it a muscle exhibition	Mar 29 00:32
MinceR	i think he’s just being a plain, garden-variety lunatic.	Mar 29 00:32
Eruaran	Microsoft marketing, at its peak, could make even Windows worst aspects seem like features	Mar 29 00:33
Eruaran	Remember when someone doing PR for Microsoft once responded to a question about Windows being full of security holes when compared to Linux ?	Mar 29 00:33
schestowitz	They want to put him in an institute, but he pays bailout j/k	Mar 29 00:34
schestowitz	Bring Ballmer back to the MSzoo by 5pm	Mar 29 00:34
Eruaran	“it is more porus than Linux”	Mar 29 00:34
Eruaran	They described Windows as being more “porus” than Linux and actually made it sound good…	Mar 29 00:35
schestowitz	Purr…..	Mar 29 00:35
_Hicham_	Roy : u don’t have Windows on any of ur machines?	Mar 29 00:36
Eruaran	*porous	Mar 29 00:36
_Hicham_	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtBQ4…	Mar 29 00:39
MinceR	gn	Mar 29 00:43
_Hicham_	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6YgZ…	Mar 29 00:45
schestowitz	_Hicham_: no, sorry	Mar 29 00:53
_Hicham_	Roy : nice to hear	Mar 29 00:54
_Hicham_	do u use gnash or adobe flash?	Mar 29 00:54
schestowitz	Ballmer speaks to the Hungarians like they are stupid	Mar 29 00:54
schestowitz	Listen to him….	Mar 29 00:54
schestowitz	“How many of you still take e-xami-na-shens?”	Mar 29 00:55
schestowitz	Ballmer was deposed in December (For collusion)	Mar 29 00:55
schestowitz	Maybe the SEC will crack down on his office one day for fraud too	Mar 29 00:56
schestowitz	They raised Hungarian offices of Microsoft already	Mar 29 00:56
_Hicham_	they want developers	Mar 29 00:56
_Hicham_	developers, developers, developers, developers, developers, developers …	Mar 29 00:56
_Hicham_	that is Ballmer’s favorite song	Mar 29 00:57
schestowitz	search for “Web developers ballmer”	Mar 29 00:57
schestowitz	He’s now pretending that it was all humour when he went nuts	Mar 29 00:58
schestowitz	He repeats those acts more gently	Mar 29 00:58
schestowitz	But it makes things worse	Mar 29 00:58
_Hicham_	Web Developers	Mar 29 01:00
_Hicham_	do they really lack web developer	Mar 29 01:00
_Hicham_	developers?	Mar 29 01:00
schestowitz	They have bad developers, IMHO	Mar 29 01:09
schestowitz	People who are not passionate	Mar 29 01:09
schestowitz	MS programming = client	Mar 29 01:09
schestowitz	You use vendor’s product	Mar 29 01:09
schestowitz	FOSS => you become part of team/vendor	Mar 29 01:09
schestowitz	Good programmer don’t like being dominated	Mar 29 01:10
schestowitz	*mers	Mar 29 01:10
Balrog_	schestowitz: the quality of the new theora encoder (the alpha) is amazing	Mar 29 01:14
Balrog_	it pretty much refutes to osnews article	Mar 29 01:14
Balrog_	the *	Mar 29 01:15
Balrog_	or at least makes it dated	Mar 29 01:16
schestowitz	Balrog: I know the OSNews articlc	Mar 29 01:18
schestowitz	Is it that well known?	Mar 29 01:18
schestowitz	Eugena got flak for it	Mar 29 01:18
schestowitz	Groklaw refuted it also	Mar 29 01:18
Balrog_	well, it’s one of the only tests	Mar 29 01:19
Balrog_	but to my eye, ogg is certainly worse quality than h.264 at the same bitrate	Mar 29 01:19
Balrog_	then alpha encoder is much better	Mar 29 01:20
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devq	what does “raised hungarian offices” mean in other words?	Mar 29 01:20
schestowitz	Raided	Mar 29 01:21
schestowitz	How did you spot it?	Mar 29 01:22
_Hicham_	Balrog_ : did avidemux work for u?	Mar 29 01:22
Balrog_	didn’t try it, but I did work with the ogg people to figure out the problem	Mar 29 01:22
Balrog_	more hacking will be needed	Mar 29 01:22
_Hicham_	what was the problem?	Mar 29 01:22
devq	i’m with diff nick here also but it said that i’m not on channel and gotta type /rejoin	Mar 29 01:22
devq	but it didn’t help actually	Mar 29 01:23
Balrog_	ffmpeg creates somewhat malformed oggs, but the oggCat utility is broken	Mar 29 01:23
_Hicham_	did u try to just plain cat the files?	Mar 29 01:23
_Hicham_	cat file1 file2 > file3	Mar 29 01:23
Balrog_	you can’t cat ogg files because of this:	Mar 29 01:23
_Hicham_	?	Mar 29 01:23
_Hicham_	because of the header?	Mar 29 01:23
Balrog_	“Well… chained streams are less common, so they don’t get tested as well… and a lot of players really were not built around streaming containers. If you squint and ignore chaning ogg looks enough like a non-streaming non-linear container (a pretty poor one though) so they often treat it like one.”	Mar 29 01:24
Balrog_	when you cat a file, you get a chained stream	Mar 29 01:24
Balrog_	that’s from an ogg dev	Mar 29 01:24
devq	what’s nonlinear container?	Mar 29 01:26
Balrog_	that’s what the dev at #theora said	Mar 29 01:27
schestowitz	YouTUbe needs quality control (pro-BS patents..): http://www.youtube.com/watc…	Mar 29 01:31
_Hicham_	Roy : do u use official flash player?	Mar 29 01:33
Balrog_	seems like the new theora encoder is also faster.	Mar 29 01:33
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schestowitz	hehe. Related video to that…. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p…	Mar 29 01:34
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schestowitz	Watch the stupid Mac screwing with Ban’s ( zoobab01 ‘s) talk…	Mar 29 01:34
Balrog_	what offset?	Mar 29 01:35
Balrog_	wait, full screen?	Mar 29 01:35
Balrog_	what app are they using? looks like some adobe product….	Mar 29 01:36
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_Hicham_	there is no fullscreen in Mac I think	Mar 29 01:37
_Hicham_	but its design is weird	Mar 29 01:37
Balrog_	fullscreen is app dependent	Mar 29 01:37
_Hicham_	those two guys seems dumb	Mar 29 01:38
Balrog_	for example, quick look can do full screen	Mar 29 01:38
Balrog_	so can quicktime	Mar 29 01:38
Balrog_	if you mean ‘make windows fill screen’, then just manually resize. It resizes to fit the window without any whitespace	Mar 29 01:38
_Hicham_	MS still uses flash on its website	Mar 29 01:49
_Hicham_	weird	Mar 29 01:49
schestowitz	Lessig explains net neutrality very clearly: http://www.youtube.com/watch?…	Mar 29 01:55
schestowitz	_Hicham_: not weid	Mar 29 01:55
schestowitz	Silverlight is a loser	Mar 29 01:55
schestowitz	After years out there in the market	Mar 29 01:56
schestowitz	And they know it	Mar 29 01:56
schestowitz	They said so ti IDG	Mar 29 01:56
schestowitz	Blaming the economy	Mar 29 01:56
schestowitz	Lawrence lessig on Al Jazeera: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEP8…	Mar 29 01:58
_Hicham_	good night Roy!	Mar 29 02:16
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schestowitz	gn	Mar 29 02:18
twitter	Net neutrality is not only about blocking access of users, it’s also about blocking user’s ability to share.	Mar 29 02:29
twitter	it’s one thing to limit “uploading” based on technical limitations, and another to forbid users from running services.	Mar 29 02:30
twitter	Lessig’s explanation is much better than Democracy Now’s	Mar 29 02:32
twitter	but his focus on “competition” and economic issues is not helpful, it’s an ethical and freedom issue.	Mar 29 02:33
twitter	he too focuses on “consumer” issues, so wrong.	Mar 29 02:34
twitter	People should think of web services as a fundamental skill, like writing. It’s really no more difficult and everyone should be outraged that they are largely forbidden from doing so.	Mar 29 02:37
twitter	Freedom of the press is not about creating profitable businesses, it’s about freedom and sharing.	Mar 29 02:39
twitter	The giant media companies that grew from late 19th and early 20th century printing and broadcasting are anomalies that should vanish.	Mar 29 02:40
twitter	Freedom of press reasoning has always been with us and US laws protecting it were established back when presses were powered by human muscles and fit in a few rooms.	Mar 29 02:41
twitter	It is time to reassert our rights to participate in public life and publication. I wish Lessig would express this more clearly.	Mar 29 02:42
twitter	Web 2.0 is a centralization of power on the internet, not a distribution! If I have to go to another to publish, I’ve lost power. If he does not push the decentralization down to the individual, the broadcasters will invade and conquer the web. I don’t care about monetary success like Lessig does, it’s a mistake.	Mar 29 02:51
twitter	Web 2.0 might be less centralized than broadcast but it’s not as decentralized as publishing used to be.	Mar 29 02:52
twitter	and it’s not free	Mar 29 02:55
twitter	freedom is more important than “creating value”	Mar 29 02:56
twitter	it’s bothersome that Lessig focuses on companies like Google because his grasp of culture and history is so good.	Mar 29 03:04
twitter	he needs to take it all the way back to individual people on the network.	Mar 29 03:05
twitter	Love his description of M$ worms. Too bad he does not point it back to non free software.	Mar 29 03:22
twitter	Ahhh, the Internet 9/11 from something called “Z theory.” good of him to mention that	Mar 29 03:23
twitter	too bad he answers the bogus “anarchy” arguments with “we will do better.” the idea that more communications are polarizing is about as stupid as saying “knowledge creates ignorance.”	Mar 29 03:25
twitter	truth comes from free expression	Mar 29 03:25
twitter	noise should be ignored. it’s not like broadcasters were better at delivering truth.	Mar 29 03:26
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zer0c00l	when roy will comeback anybody know?	Mar 29 06:17
zer0c00l	whats the time in UK?	Mar 29 06:17
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oiaohm	Ok at 4 hours idle I would say another 4 hours yet zer0c00l	Mar 29 06:40
zer0c00l	oiaohm: he lives in UK?	Mar 29 06:41
oiaohm	I normally work off a persons idle time.	Mar 29 06:42
oiaohm	Its rough but normally gets me close.	Mar 29 06:42
oiaohm	To when they will be back.	Mar 29 06:42
zer0c00l	i sometime sleep 2 hours a day	Mar 29 06:42
zer0c00l	seems link 7 in the morning there in UK	Mar 29 06:43
oiaohm	schestowitz is on adverage 8 hours idle.	Mar 29 06:44
oiaohm	Yes it also known the person on the other end.	Mar 29 06:44
zer0c00l	quit “lunch”	Mar 29 06:58
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schestowitz	Hey	Mar 29 08:57
zer0c00l	yeah	Mar 29 09:01
zer0c00l	schestowitz: she mailed you?	Mar 29 09:01
zer0c00l	did you see RaSh last post: “Thanks for opening my eyes!	Mar 29 09:04
zer0c00l	Shit. I’m sure going to hell. “	Mar 29 09:04
zer0c00l		Mar 29 09:04
schestowitz	Yes	Mar 29 09:16
schestowitz	I was sent an E-mail from them	Mar 29 09:17
schestowitz	Microsoft ain’t happy	Mar 29 09:17
zer0c00l	what did they sent?	Mar 29 09:17
schestowitz	I removed the photos	Mar 29 09:18
schestowitz	The Microsofter bless thy mighty ‘IP’	Mar 29 09:18
schestowitz	Can’t /sahre	Mar 29 09:18
schestowitz	*share	Mar 29 09:18
schestowitz	Oh! My mind! I remember those picture	Mar 29 09:18
schestowitz	Must. Get. Rid. Of. These Photos. In my mind. Must……..	Mar 29 09:19
schestowitz	It’s not my precious IP…	Mar 29 09:19
schestowitz	I can’t believe Microsoft exploits undergrads to molest a nation	Mar 29 09:20
schestowitz	It approaches naive people who would sell their countrymen for a mere buck	Mar 29 09:20
schestowitz	And failing to defend it, they perfume it to themselves somehow	Mar 29 09:20
zer0c00l		Mar 29 09:21
zer0c00l	cant share	Mar 29 09:21
zer0c00l	what we could possibly do is give link to her blog	Mar 29 09:21
zer0c00l		Mar 29 09:22
zer0c00l	that would be cool	Mar 29 09:22
zer0c00l	she had more pictures than i gave you	Mar 29 09:22
schestowitz	Yes, hotmlinking	Mar 29 09:22
schestowitz	*hotlinking is usually permitted	Mar 29 09:22
schestowitz	brb	Mar 29 09:23
schestowitz	The pictures are not crucial to the post anyway	Mar 29 09:23
schestowitz	They don’t add anything vital	Mar 29 09:23
schestowitz	The captions say more than the photos	Mar 29 09:23
zer0c00l		Mar 29 09:24
zer0c00l	yes	Mar 29 09:24
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schestowitz	Do you know anything about Anvar Sadath?	Mar 29 09:31
zer0c00l	no	Mar 29 09:36
zer0c00l	who is Anvar sadath?	Mar 29 09:36
zer0c00l	roy_: is it you schestowitz?	Mar 29 09:36
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schestowitz	Hhe. “Any responsible politician should be encouraging a home grown Free Software industry because it creates the basis for future jobs. Learning Windows is like learning to eat every meal at McDonalds.”	Mar 29 09:41
schestowitz	zer0c00l: I’ll write about it.	Mar 29 09:42
schestowitz	If I omit names, I might repost some of these messages and put it in ODF planet..?	Mar 29 09:42
schestowitz	zer0c00l: it’s from Kerala	Mar 29 09:42
schestowitz	New fiasco	Mar 29 09:42
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PetoKraus	sry about that	Mar 29 09:46
oiaohm	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009… << Predictable out come.	Mar 29 09:47
schestowitz	Stupid Fox NOooooz: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U…	Mar 29 09:49
schestowitz	http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/ameri… Funny it doesn’t mention the same deeds in the EU. Hypocrites	Mar 29 10:02
zer0c00l	IT@school anvar sadath <schestowitz> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world… Funny it doesn’t mention the same deeds in the EU. Hypocrites	Mar 29 10:03
zer0c00l	sry	Mar 29 10:03
zer0c00l	http://itschool.gov.in/photogallery.htm	Mar 29 10:03
zer0c00l	he is a odf alliance award winner http://www.odfalliance.org/blog/ ?	Mar 29 10:09
oiaohm	MS patent threat on codecs is slowly disappearing.	Mar 29 10:11
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oiaohm	But the threat of DRM is increasing due to the way its disappearing.	Mar 29 10:11
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zer0c00l	anvar works:* Kufa (i=cf705997@gateway/web/ajax /mibbit.com/x-d28fc869386b8411) has left #boycottnovell	Mar 29 10:12
zer0c00l	aaah	Mar 29 10:12
zer0c00l	damn	Mar 29 10:12
zer0c00l	Anvar works http://www.thinkdigit.com/details.php…	Mar 29 10:12
zer0c00l	http://www.hindu.com/2007/07/02/…	Mar 29 10:12
schestowitz	zer0c00l: do me a little favour	Mar 29 10:13
zer0c00l	yes	Mar 29 10:13
schestowitz	Find out if ZDNet is dying in September.	Mar 29 10:13
schestowitz	I’m doing a post about it	Mar 29 10:13
zer0c00l	they shutting down the website or something?	Mar 29 10:14
zer0c00l	i cant understand	Mar 29 10:14
zer0c00l	any keywords to search?	Mar 29 10:14
schestowitz	oiaohm: codecs from MS was the main (only?) reason why Red hat backed away from desktop for now	Mar 29 10:14
zer0c00l	http://www.english-test.net/fo…	Mar 29 10:14
zer0c00l	anvar talks about education system	Mar 29 10:14
schestowitz	zer0c00l: he was pushing Microsoft software	Mar 29 10:15
schestowitz	He’s one of the bad guys	Mar 29 10:15
schestowitz	And they gave him an award	Mar 29 10:15
zer0c00l	oh thats bad	Mar 29 10:15
oiaohm	Main reason Redhat looked at the desktop market and said were is the most money.	Mar 29 10:15
zer0c00l	he supported free software in the past?	Mar 29 10:15
schestowitz	It’s a fiasco	Mar 29 10:15
oiaohm	End result was business.	Mar 29 10:15
schestowitz	People in Kerala are angry	Mar 29 10:15
zer0c00l	now changed forced to change?	Mar 29 10:15
zer0c00l	oh	Mar 29 10:16
oiaohm	MS codecs did not really change Redhat plans.	Mar 29 10:16
schestowitz	“Anwar is a bureaucrat came on top of IT@School project before 2 years. Actual Free Software & Open standards Adoption was done Much before that”	Mar 29 10:16
schestowitz	“He was also part of Controversial Information Kerala Mission Project which tried to Computerise all Local self Goverments with Microsoft Technmology.. At that time he wrote a lot of articles defending MIcrosoft when Free Software Foundation Criticized them”	Mar 29 10:16
schestowitz	He’s a Trojan horse	Mar 29 10:16
oiaohm	What is happening now.	Mar 29 10:16
schestowitz	They negotiated the problem of codecs	Mar 29 10:17
schestowitz	Shuttleworth too	Mar 29 10:17
schestowitz	Shuttleworth gave up	Mar 29 10:17
oiaohm	Is that the closed source codecs silvercrap needs. Nvidia is going to have processed by there card.	Mar 29 10:17
schestowitz	He pays Microsoft for codecs in Ubuntu Remix whetever….	Mar 29 10:17
oiaohm	So yes nasty DRM embed in video card.	Mar 29 10:17
oiaohm	Redhat is not like Ubuntu they never depended on the desktop market.	Mar 29 10:18
oiaohm	Lay out the markets. Server nice paying for support contracts. Business desktops again will pay and will by support contracts.	Mar 29 10:19
oiaohm	Home desktops you are stuffed.	Mar 29 10:19
oiaohm	Redhat workstation has the same codecs as Ubuntu Remix or whatever.	Mar 29 10:19
oiaohm	Redhat is after the money. The thing business wants is central management of desktops.	Mar 29 10:20
oiaohm	Does redhat have that yet nop. So there was no point waste money marketing a desktop .	Mar 29 10:20
oiaohm	Redhat selection not to stay in desktop was basically common sence for making profit schestowitz	Mar 29 10:21
oiaohm	Ubuntu on the other hand person at top has money and did not have to make a large profit.	Mar 29 10:23
oiaohm	So redhat sits back and lets Ubuntu do the R&D.	Mar 29 10:23
zer0c00l	Anvar a msdn user http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Fo…	Mar 29 10:24
schestowitz		Mar 29 10:25
PetoKraus	!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 bloody retarded	Mar 29 10:25
PetoKraus	i’m just fighting adobe’s stupidity	Mar 29 10:25
PetoKraus	FDF is such a retarded format	Mar 29 10:25
oiaohm	Msdn user does not tell you much zer0c00l thinking I am 1.	Mar 29 10:25
schestowitz	Yes	Mar 29 10:25
PetoKraus	1) you can’t open it under linux without acroreader, which is only 32bit	Mar 29 10:25
schestowitz	New version of Reader for GNU/Linux now.. 9.1	Mar 29 10:26
PetoKraus	2) if you open it under windows, and save the filled document, it saves the empty one	Mar 29 10:26
PetoKraus	3) if you print the document using PDFCreator, it doesn’t work	Mar 29 10:26
PetoKraus	for god’s sake!	Mar 29 10:26
PetoKraus	4) Adobe’s own “create PDF” requires Air and a registration process	Mar 29 10:27
PetoKraus	i’m honestly going to print the document and fill it by hand	Mar 29 10:27
PetoKraus	much less hassle	Mar 29 10:27
zer0c00l	http://www.eindia.net.in/communityradio/…	Mar 29 10:27
oiaohm	Be sane and use openoffice to create the form PetoKraus	Mar 29 10:28
zer0c00l	in 2007 he uses windows 98	Mar 29 10:28
zer0c00l	see the slides	Mar 29 10:28
PetoKraus	oiaohm: how	Mar 29 10:28
PetoKraus	you mean, using Draw?	Mar 29 10:28
PetoKraus	the problem is, i can open the PDF in the draw	Mar 29 10:28
PetoKraus	but since openoffice is so shite and buggy	Mar 29 10:29
PetoKraus	it displays black on black	Mar 29 10:29
oiaohm	even with pdf import extention installed PetoKraus	Mar 29 10:29
PetoKraus	that’s the first thing i tried	Mar 29 10:29
PetoKraus	it’s unusable	Mar 29 10:30
oiaohm	Great	Mar 29 10:30
oiaohm	So you have a pure evil form.	Mar 29 10:30
schestowitz	zer0c00l: thanks.	Mar 29 10:30
zer0c00l	schestowitz: i am getting more	Mar 29 10:30
zer0c00l		Mar 29 10:30
zer0c00l	will be helpfull i guess	Mar 29 10:30
zer0c00l		Mar 29 10:31
schestowitz	yes	Mar 29 10:32
schestowitz	I will post it all later	Mar 29 10:32
zer0c00l	anvar worked in a company	Mar 29 10:32
zer0c00l	he used .NET	Mar 29 10:32
schestowitz	People pushed for Free softare and ODF	Mar 29 10:32
zer0c00l	he is basically a doze developer	Mar 29 10:32
schestowitz	Then some MS lackey comes along and claims credit	Mar 29 10:32
zer0c00l	http://www.technosoftcorp.com/…	Mar 29 10:32
zer0c00l	see photo 4	Mar 29 10:32
PetoKraus	oiaohm: http://pk.gjhak.sk/old/.stora…	Mar 29 10:33
PetoKraus	it’s broken	Mar 29 10:33
PetoKraus	i’m sorry, but it is	Mar 29 10:33
MinceR	openoffice fails at handling color schemes that aren’t black-on-white	Mar 29 10:34
zer0c00l	Those who have achieved basic e-literacy could enrol in advanced programmes such as e-Vidya-Microsoft Office Package, Internet for all, Arabic typing tutor, Microsoft Unlimited Potential Programme, and more.	Mar 29 10:34
PetoKraus	and no, there’s no way to set these colours to normal ones	Mar 29 10:34
PetoKraus	MinceR: yeah	Mar 29 10:34
zer0c00l	http://www.thinkdigit.com/detail…	Mar 29 10:34
MinceR	so i use gnome office instead :>	Mar 29 10:34
PetoKraus	well	Mar 29 10:34
MinceR	(and latex)	Mar 29 10:34
PetoKraus	i use gnumeric for graphs	Mar 29 10:34
PetoKraus	and opening it in gimp and editing it like that	Mar 29 10:35
PetoKraus	is pain in the ass as well	Mar 29 10:35
PetoKraus	easier to print it out and fill by hand	Mar 29 10:35
PetoKraus	just before someone tries to be smartass and recommend another “solution”	Mar 29 10:35
*zer0c00l wonders why did they give him award?		Mar 29 10:35
*schestowitz adds to notes		Mar 29 10:36
schestowitz	zer0c00l: maybe stupidity	Mar 29 10:36
schestowitz	They probably can’t retract it now	Mar 29 10:36
schestowitz	But people need to know who he is	Mar 29 10:36
schestowitz	In Kerala, Free software proponents got pushed out of their job	Mar 29 10:37
schestowitz	Microsoft lackeys are probably the cause	Mar 29 10:37
schestowitz	Evil company	Mar 29 10:37
schestowitz	Now they replace and reard	Mar 29 10:37
zer0c00l	yes i read about it “It managers were asked to resign”	Mar 29 10:37
zer0c00l	*IT	Mar 29 10:37
zer0c00l	so anvar is the cause?	Mar 29 10:38
PetoKraus	oh god	Mar 29 10:41
PetoKraus	the file-roller bug is STILL not fixed	Mar 29 10:41
PetoKraus	god’s sake	Mar 29 10:41
schestowitz	zer0c00l: I don’t know	Mar 29 10:43
schestowitz	I just know Microsoft has many Trojans	Mar 29 10:43
schestowitz	In ODF too	Mar 29 10:43
schestowitz	Lunds, Alex Brown….	Mar 29 10:43
schestowitz	It’s like a disease..	Mar 29 10:43
zer0c00l	microsoft is a cancer	Mar 29 10:44
schestowitz	Wait until they use their lackeys in kerala to promote MS Officee	Mar 29 10:45
schestowitz	“it support ODF now…”	Mar 29 10:45
schestowitz	“Microsoft loves open source”	Mar 29 10:45
schestowitz	“Codeplex… ms-pl…”	Mar 29 10:45
zer0c00l	probably bipasha.chakrabarti@sun.com he is the one who might have proposed anvjjk	Mar 29 10:47
zer0c00l	*anvars name to odf alliance	Mar 29 10:48
zer0c00l	http://www.odfalliance.org/pres…	Mar 29 10:48
schestowitz	You should stage some friendly protest	Mar 29 10:50
schestowitz	Maybe on the Internet	Mar 29 10:50
zer0c00l	yes, we need to first collect evidence of anvars love towards M$	Mar 29 10:51
zer0c00l	who are behind?	Mar 29 10:51
zer0c00l	schestowitz: you inform people who mailed you	Mar 29 10:51
zer0c00l	ask them to contact odf alliance , and protest to get back the award	Mar 29 10:52
zer0c00l	brb	Mar 29 10:52
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_Hicham_	Hi All!	Mar 29 12:36
_Hicham_	how r u doing Roy?	Mar 29 12:36
oiaohm	He is being fairly silent _Hicham_	Mar 29 12:41
schestowitz	Hey	Mar 29 12:43
schestowitz	I’m just writing something	Mar 29 12:43
oiaohm	Sorry schestowitz just in a bite getting mood.	Mar 29 12:43
zer0c00l	schestowitz: do you have public key? so that i could verify you signatures..Firegpg is not able to find your public keys	Mar 29 12:54
zer0c00l	where did you store those pub keys?	Mar 29 12:54
zer0c00l	i have started using it	Mar 29 12:55
_Hicham_	oiaohm	Mar 29 12:55
_Hicham_	how r u doing pal?	Mar 29 12:56
schestowitz	schestowitz.com/PGP	Mar 29 12:56
schestowitz	I got the OK to do the ODF story	Mar 29 12:57
oiaohm	Doing fine other than being in a little of trouble making mood _Hicham_	Mar 29 12:58
*zer0c00l looks		Mar 29 12:59
_Hicham_	oiaohm : any data recovery incidents?	Mar 29 12:59
oiaohm	Not today.	Mar 29 13:00
oiaohm	Weekend.	Mar 29 13:00
oiaohm	Most people wake up monday they have a problem.	Mar 29 13:01
_Hicham_	oiaohm : do u think that MS is really dying?	Mar 29 13:01
oiaohm	MS actions suggest it.	Mar 29 13:02
oiaohm	Company with everything going fine don’t try aggreesive actions.	Mar 29 13:02
oiaohm	MS is depending after Windows 7 is released they can pull in more money from netbooks.	Mar 29 13:03
oiaohm	Failure to do so will hit there bottom line hard.	Mar 29 13:03
oiaohm	I see MS as many companies of the past. Got greed and got stupid because of it.	Mar 29 13:04
_Hicham_	they are bribing Netbooks companies	Mar 29 13:05
oiaohm	Hardware companies have been reducing the price of there products and software companies have not followed.	Mar 29 13:05
oiaohm	IE the software bubble.	Mar 29 13:05
oiaohm	It has to bust at some point.	Mar 29 13:05
_Hicham_	their are reducing their OS cost	Mar 29 13:06
_Hicham_	laying off people	Mar 29 13:06
oiaohm	Currently some netbook companies are heading to under 100 dollars.	Mar 29 13:06
oiaohm	Even 4 dollars per machine will be a large block of cash out of that.	Mar 29 13:06
_Hicham_	they might sell Windows for less than $50	Mar 29 13:07
oiaohm	4 dollars per OS is not livable.	Mar 29 13:07
oiaohm	50 is too much.	Mar 29 13:07
oiaohm	You are talking half the price of the device.	Mar 29 13:07
oiaohm	Arm processors are also way cheaper than intel.	Mar 29 13:07
oiaohm	You are talking 80 dollars in hardware to build a 100 dollar netbook.	Mar 29 13:08
_Hicham_	they will try to sell Windows for free	Mar 29 13:08
oiaohm	Yep exactly	Mar 29 13:08
oiaohm	No income from windows.	Mar 29 13:08
_Hicham_	as a Lock-In strategy	Mar 29 13:08
oiaohm	Problem is price is not going to rise.	Mar 29 13:09
_Hicham_	not if they relock the market	Mar 29 13:09
oiaohm	Holding 100 percent of market and making no profit.	Mar 29 13:09
oiaohm	Is linux that is holding the price down going to disappear _Hicham_	Mar 29 13:09
_Hicham_	not disappear	Mar 29 13:10
oiaohm	Its not something you can under cut and remove.	Mar 29 13:10
oiaohm	Trying to undercut is just slow painful march to death.	Mar 29 13:10
_Hicham_	but they can bribe hardware makers	Mar 29 13:10
_Hicham_	as always	Mar 29 13:10
oiaohm	So you mean – money.	Mar 29 13:10
oiaohm	Ie paying for windows to be put on there machines.	Mar 29 13:11
oiaohm	You have to be aware MS is already at 4 dollars per machine in netbook market.	Mar 29 13:11
_Hicham_	they have to do sthg about splashtop technology	Mar 29 13:11
oiaohm	Problem is things like splashtop is 1 cent per machine.	Mar 29 13:11
oiaohm	Yes 1 cent	Mar 29 13:12
_Hicham_	but MS don’t contribute to splashtop	Mar 29 13:12
oiaohm	Splashtop is Linux.	Mar 29 13:12
_Hicham_	so 1 cent goes to who?	Mar 29 13:12
oiaohm	splashtop.	Mar 29 13:13
oiaohm	For assembling the software.	Mar 29 13:13
_Hicham_	and will splashtop live with that?	Mar 29 13:13
oiaohm	Splashtop does not have major development cost overheads like Microsoft.	Mar 29 13:13
oiaohm	Splashtop is profitable at 1 cent per unit.	Mar 29 13:14
_Hicham_	1 cent/unit?	Mar 29 13:14
oiaohm	Yep.	Mar 29 13:14
oiaohm	Each machine/motherboard with splashtop on. Splashtop gets 1 cent.	Mar 29 13:14
oiaohm	That is it.	Mar 29 13:14
_Hicham_	how many devices they have to sell then per month?	Mar 29 13:15
oiaohm	Few million.	Mar 29 13:15
oiaohm	They development team is 5.	Mar 29 13:15
oiaohm	they/there	Mar 29 13:15
oiaohm	Basically there overheads are nothing _Hicham_	Mar 29 13:15
oiaohm	Basically every 2 months they have enough money to pay there operation for a year _Hicham_	Mar 29 13:16
oiaohm	No way MS can operate at such a low point.	Mar 29 13:17
oiaohm	Without major changes.	Mar 29 13:17
oiaohm	Power of Open Source in a undercutting war. Its really hard to win because the groups you can be trying to under cut can have basically no overheads.	Mar 29 13:18