EditorsAbout the SiteComes vs. MicrosoftUsing This Web SiteSite ArchivesCredibility IndexOOXMLOpenDocumentPatentsNovellNews DigestSite NewsRSS

01.15.10

Novell is Rapidly Losing GroupWise Business

Posted in FUD, GNU/Linux, IBM, Mail, Microsoft, Mono, Novell at 2:53 pm by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

Summary: Novell loses several more contracts, some of which are worth millions

NOVELL’S latest major defeat (for GroupWise at least) was the City of Los Angeles. Millions of dollars may be at stake. It gets worse though.

According to the news from Australia, Macquarie University is dumping GroupWise in order to save millions.

GOOGLE has struck a landmark deal with Sydney’s Macquarie University to provide staff members with its free, web-based offering, Gmail, a move that reaps millions of dollars in savings.

From ZDNet Australia:

Macquarie University has revealed plans to ditch its “inferior” Novell GroupWise staff email platform and replace it with Google’s Gmail offering, following an earlier successful roll-out among students.

Novell is shaken by the above and it has formally responded through ITWire (AU):

Announcements were made a couple of days ago that Macquarie University was discarding its corporate GroupWise email infrastructure in favour of one provided by Google’s Gmail. Novell responds to the reasons offered for the change.

Here is GWAVA getting dumped again: (also here)

Replacing the GWAVA email filtering components on Sunsweet’s Novell GroupWise collaboration server, Sendio reduced system load over 93% by eliminating all of the 33,500 average daily “junk” email messages that bombarded the company. In addition, the Sendio solution allows the Sunsweet IT department to save over three man-days per month that were previously required to manually maintain the email filtering software.

What a bad week for Novell. Novell’s loss in Los Angeles was also mentioned in The Register yesterday. 30,000 seats are being lost.

That emerging market leaves big on-premise email providers like Microsoft and Novell fending off threats from the likes of IBM, Google, and a handful of smaller players.

High profile wins for Google include transferring the city of Los Angles’ 30,000 employees from Novell communications systems to Google Apps.

According to this new press release, a tool was created to assist migration away from GroupWise, which is one of Novell’s big sources of revenue (mostly proprietary).

Transend Migrator for IBM Lotus Foundations includes powerful “batch templates” which allow new Lotus Foundations customers to migrate mailboxes from competitive products (like Microsoft Exchange/Outlook or Novell GroupWise) to Lotus Foundations, quickly and reliably.

This new blog post claims that Novell “has retained its user base” in mail. However, based on what we see in the news, Novell’s user base keeps shrinking, not growing or staying steady. Evidence will be required to show that Novell “has retained its user base”:

Novell, the third largest market participant, has retained its user base but has not seen significant growth. A handful of open-source vendors and smaller providers offer an alternative to the Exchange and Lotus platforms, but they have a small market presence.

The claim above is very questionable. Novell lost $200,000,000 in 2009 (fiscal) and it keeps getting worse despite the layoffs and the offshoring [1, 2], which were supposed to lower expenses.

As Novell is "going downhill", negative developments such as the above are likely to come in greater volume. Novell has also just made the list called “Five Notable Tech Layoffs Of 2009″:

2. Novell

Novell’s woes continued last year. In addition to being mired in litigation over the UNIX operating system, its earnings faltered also. Then, in November, the Linux vendor announced it was cutting 100 to 130 of its 3,900 jobs and that it was also suspending contributions to employees’ 401K pension plans. Earlier in the year, back in March, Novell laid off 100 employees as well.

Novell is at number two for notable technology layoffs, according to CRN. Not good.

“Last year, Ximian’s Miguel de Icaza had the audacity to publicly say that “Gentoo is eternally broken.””To make matters worse, Ximian’s Friedman left Novell last week [1, 2, 3, 4]. Last year, Ximian’s Miguel de Icaza had the audacity to publicly say that “Gentoo is eternally broken.” Well, based on the facts as we have them, “Novell is eternally broken,” not Gentoo. Just to be clear, Miguel de Icaza makes other such remarks to belittle GNU/Linux and he echoes the Microsoft lies about the market share of GNU/Linux on the desktop. That Microsoft MVP award which he received last week [1, 2] is a perfect fit. If/when Novell goes bankrupt/sold [1, 2, 3], Microsoft can probably squeeze him in for a job. He can 'pull an O'Kelly'.

To finish this post on a positive note, here is a decent new article about the success of GNU/Linux on the desktop:

Desktop Linux Market Share Will Rise, Thanks to Microsoft

[...]

Yes, Microsoft was happy to let China pirate Windows in order to get them “addicted” to it. A decade later just as Bill Gates said, they are in the business of collecting from the very junkies they created. One has to wonder what China would be using, had Microsoft not allowed this to happen. Exactly ten years since Bill Gates’ speech, Microsoft stepped up anti-piracy campaigns in China.

Microsoft is searching for ways to make people pay for Windows (and rightly so) but the harder they make it and the more they lock the system down, the more attractive other options become.

In August last year, four Chinese people were fined and sentenced to 3.5 years jail for distributing a pirated version of Windows XP, called Tomato Garden.

Microsoft said:

“The case served as a warning to anyone thinking about knocking off Windows 7, a new-generation Windows operating system.”

Microsoft allowed the Chinese to pirate previous versions of Windows, but now with Windows 7 out it’s finally time to collect. This court case did serve as a timely reminder of the consequences of piracy, but will it have the desired effect that Microsoft is seeking?

It is important to keep GNU/Linux Mono- and Moonlight-free. Microsoft is desperate to trip its competition up.

Share this post: These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages.
  • Digg
  • del.icio.us
  • Reddit
  • co.mments
  • DZone
  • email
  • Google Bookmarks
  • LinkedIn
  • NewsVine
  • Print
  • Technorati
  • TwitThis
  • Facebook

If you liked this post, consider subscribing to the RSS feed or join us now at the IRC channels.

Pages that cross-reference this one

21 Comments

  1. Needs Sunlight said,

    January 15, 2010 at 3:28 pm

    Gravatar

    Well, this:

    http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Government-IT/Cocaine-Discovery-Prompts-NASA-Safety-Review-759564/

    would go far in explaining that:

    http://news.office-watch.com/t/n.aspx?articleid=1329

    Roy Schestowitz Reply:

    NASA got Windows viruses going in orbit around Earth in 2008 (probably more often than that, but it’s scarcely reported). CNET spoke about their use of AV software some months ago.

    See the following (regarding Microsoft in NASA):

    http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/28/microsoft-poisons-nasa/
    http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/23/faa-and-nasa-msft-dependent-mingling/
    http://boycottnovell.com/2009/10/11/microsoft-swine-flu/
    http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/26/silver-lie-microsoft-mou/
    http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/21/fat-cats-from-redmond/

    Needs Sunlight Reply:

    The sad part is that there is no longer anyone that can do it the right way. Nigeria was solving these kinds of mail and connectivity problems back in the 1990′s;

    http://www.isoc.org/inet99/proceedings/3f/3f_1.htm

    Maybe NASA can contract out to Nigeria since at home they don’t seem to find (or maybe allow) any technical competence.

    Roy Schestowitz Reply:

    NASA does deploy some F/OSS as well (I give about 15 examples/references here), but recently there have been a lot more Microsoft shenanigans inside NASA.

  2. jmmarton said,

    January 16, 2010 at 7:42 am

    Gravatar

    Try reading the articles first before posting them here. With the case of Sunsweet, the article CLEARLY states that they did NOT replace GroupWise. They simply replaced the GWAVA anti-spam solution with a solution from Sendio. That’s all.

    Also, why is the Transend news a “big story?” They have tools to migrate between any one of a number of e-mail systems, and in fact they also have tools to migrate TO GroupWise.

    http://www.transend.com/supported_mail_systems.asp

    All they’ve done is add another platform (Lotus Foundations) to their portfolio. In fact, if you read what you posted, you’ll see the tool also supports migrating from Exchange to Lotus Foundations. So is this “bad news” for Microsoft as well?

    Roy Schestowitz Reply:

    I did see that. I did not call it a “big story” and it is bad news to GWAVA, which is Novell’s close ally.

    I’ll clarify and fix the grammatical slip (“getting dumping”).

    jmmarton Reply:

    Ok, perhaps you did not call it a big story, but I do not see the relevance to this blog posting. The title is “Novell is Rapidly Losing GroupWise Business.” So GWAVA is a Novell partner. And? Discussing this is about as relevant as discussing the weather in Beijing. The fact that a Novell partner lost a customer has no bearing on anything at all. Different vendors lose different customers all the time. Why don’t you make a blog entry with the title of “Microsoft is Rapidly Losing Exchange Business” and the reference this article, discussing Panasonic moving from Exchange to IBM’s LotusLive cloud-based solution?

    http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2010/01/14/panasonic_ibm_lotuslive_contract/

    Joe

    Roy Schestowitz Reply:

    I’ve already done that. Are you not subscribed? :-)

    JohnD Reply:

    @jmmarton – You’ll find that Roy has a unique take on most published articles. I seldom agree with his conclusions. He does, however, do a good job of gathering news from a variety of sites. I just make sure to read the articles for myself rather than rely on his interpretation. For instance a casual reader of BN would think that Novell lost 200 millon in cash last fiscal year. After you read the financials you’ll see that the “loss” was a paper one relating to decreased value in things that were purchased. The last time I checked the company that is “going downhill” had over 900 million in the bank and had cut their debt.

    Roy Schestowitz Reply:

    There is also debt that remains to be paid.

    jmmarton Reply:

    Of course there’s debt. Most companies have some form of debt. Heck even Microsoft now has debt.

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/microsoft/2009208820_microsoftdebt12.html

    The tax laws are written in a way that for most companies it is beneficial to leverage debt as they are able to write off the interest in a similar fashion to how individuals write off mortgage interest. In fact, there are financial formulas for determining the amount of “leverage” a company is using which calculates the amount of debt as it relates to shareholders’ equity. There is nothing wrong with having debt and does not mean that a company is doing poorly.

    It’s simple finance.

    Roy Schestowitz Reply:

    I wrote approximately 10 posts about Microsoft’s debt and approximately 3 about Novell’s. Debt is better than no debt.

    Roy Schestowitz Reply:

    Sorry, I meant for that last one to be a question. Debt is better than no debt?

    jmmarton Reply:

    From a tax basis, yes, having debt can actually be better than not having it. It all depends upon each company’s financials.

    Joe

    Roy Schestowitz Reply:

    Why did Microsoft avoid having debt until it nearly ran out of money?

    jmmarton Reply:

    Again, it depends upon each company’s financials. I would hardly say Microsoft “nearly ran out of money” though.

    Joe

    Roy Schestowitz Reply:

    Two years ago it was going to borrow over $20 billion it did not have.

    JohnD Reply:

    @jmmarton – You’ll find that Roy has a unique way of interpreting articles.

    JohnD Reply:

    Ooops – sorry it didn’t look like my first submission took so I started again.

    Roy Schestowitz Reply:

    It’s a caching issue we have.

    Roy Schestowitz Reply:

    We resolved this issue around yesterday.

What Else is New


  1. Publicly-Available Information About the Meeting of the EPO's Administrative Council

    The EPO "crisis" -- as Board 28 called it -- lingers on because no substantial steps were taken towards Battistelli's removal from Office for his violation of Office rules (his own rules) among other laws that Eponia perceives itself as exempt from



  2. Battistelli's Last Moves Are Desperate Attempts to Crush the Messenger (SUEPO), Which Will Almost Certainly Backfire on (if Not Fire) Battistelli

    By implicitly declaring a war on those who speak truth to power or those who are associated with perceived truth-tellers, Battistelli reinforces the perception that he is protecting the bad people at all cost (even his very own career)



  3. EPO Staff Representative Jesus Areso Explains the Crisis to the Administrative Council

    An intervention by an EPO Central Staff Committee (CSC) member who is under gag orders from Battistelli's regime and cannot speak about his case, which apparently involves truly severe disciplinary actions for merely helping or contributing to a staff survey (not controlled by and paid for by Battistelli)



  4. Shadows of Alleged Criminality Over the European Patent Office (EPO)

    Cases against Željko Topić, a Vice-President at the European Patent Office, are moving forward in Croatia, where he still faces many criminal charges



  5. You Know That UPC is Quite Likely Dead (at Least in the UK) When Even Baroness Neville-Rolfe Dodges the Question (Updated)

    The UPC appears to be a dead end, much like Battistelli's career, not only in the UK but in Europe as a whole (it has been all along designed with London/England/UK in mind)



  6. Short Report From Today's EPO Protest in Munich

    A few noteworthy points about the staff protest which coincided with the Administrative Council's meeting earlier today in Munich



  7. Growing Consensus Even Among Patent Professionals That UPC is Dying Everywhere If Not Just in the UK

    The UPC continues to sink as more and more people come to grips with the complexity of the current situation, irrespective of what countries other than the UK do next



  8. Battistelli Attacks Not Only His Staff But Also Patents Themselves (Their Quality) and the Legal Legitimacy Surrounding the EPO

    Battistelli's EPO is having not only reputation problems but also staff retention problems, patent quality problems and problems pertaining to perception of fair trials or justice regarding patents



  9. Battistelli is Creating an Atmosphere of Terror at the EPO While Exploiting Terror Attacks to Garner Sympathy

    "As if Laurent were a terrorist, the Office has imposed a house arrest and has forbidden him to enter the EPO premises," according to SUEPO, writing about one of its members at The Hague who is "maliciously accused via a fabricated procedure"



  10. Rumours That EPO President Battistelli Got Sacked to be Replaced by Christoph Ernst Appear to be Baseless

    Dr. Christoph Ernst is claimed to be the successor (interim or permanent) of the notorious Battistelli, but these claims have little or no evidence to support them



  11. Links 29/6/2016: SteamOS 2.83 Beta, Alpine Linux 3.4.1

    Links for the day



  12. The EPO Has Become Battistelli's Circus and the Administrative Council Has Been Reduced to (Illegal) Circus Animals Controlled With 'Treats'

    Battistelli's attack on justice and on the rule of law is debated among insiders who have grown increasingly impatient with the Administrative Council's tolerance of Battistelli and sometimes even Kongstad's amazing complicity



  13. The Latest Lies About the Unitary Patent (UPC) Would Have Us Believe That It's Alive and Well

    How patents-centric sites (some of which are in bed with the EPO) have responded to the 'Brexit' vote and why they're not telling us the truth about the Unitary Patent scam (often created and promoted by the same people who run and/or fund such sites)



  14. EPO Management Bunker: “The Bailiff Who Came to Deliver the Subpoena was Escorted off the Property by Five Security Guards.”

    Battistelli has essentially turned the European Patent Office (EPO) into a barracks, where he continues to enjoy immunity from the rule of law and discourages those who wish to challenge this immunity



  15. Keeping the Guard and Securing Society From Software Patents

    The policies over which Indians and Europeans have kept guard are being 'stolen' by vested interests



  16. Benoît Battistelli Further Weaponises His EPO 'Stasi' With CA/52/16

    A glimpse at what Benoît Battistelli will shortly attempt to do to the EPO, in order to cement his power in the face of growing opposition from many directions



  17. EPO Caricature: Administrative Council Control of Benoît Battistelli

    Another new caricature regarding the President of the European Patent Office (EPO) and lack of effective oversight from the Administrative Council (European Patent Organisation)



  18. EPO Caricature: Firing Benoît Battistelli

    The latest caricature regarding the President of the European Patent Office (EPO)



  19. Links 28/6/2016: Red Hat Summit 2016, Hadoop Events

    Links for the day



  20. Today's Media Coverage Says Microsoft Loves Linux, But Today Microsoft Extorted Linux Using Software Patents Again

    Luna Mobile has just been extorted by Microsoft (using dubious software patents, as usual) for using Android/Linux, but Microsoft-influenced media carries on spreading the lie that "Microsoft loves Linux"



  21. New Efforts to Work Around Barriers to UPC in Light of 'Brexit'; Behind These Efforts Are Self-Serving Patent Profiteers

    look at who's trying to work around the latest barriers to the widely-unwanted (by the public) Unitary Patent regime and what is being planned behind the scenes, or behind closed doors (by and for those who stand to profit from the Unitary Patent regime)



  22. Injunction Against Battistelli's Investigative Unit (Known Internally as 'Gestapo') Amid Serious Injustices and Bogus 'Trials'

    SUEPO, the EPO's staff union, steps up its spiel in a case against the "European Patent Organization" as defendant and "SUEPO/VEOB" (Trade Union of the European Patent Office) as claimants



  23. [ES] Con la UPC Muerta por el Resto del Termino de Battistelli, No Hay Razón para que la EPO o el Consejo Administrativo Sigan Manteniéndolo Más

    Pensamientos acerca de lo que pasará al líderazgo de la EPO después de ‘Brexit’ (salida Británica de la EU), lo que sevéramente socava el proyecto más grande de Battistelli el que usaba habituálmente para justificar sus increíbles abusos



  24. [ES] El Caradura Benoît Battistelli Debería Renunciar a Luz de la Filtrada Nueva Decisión en Su Vendeta en Contra de un Juez que se Atrevió a Decir la Verdad (Actualizado)

    Benoît Battistelli continúa quebrando las propias reglas de la EPO, no sólo las leyes naciónales, como una nueva decisión ayuda a revelar



  25. [ES] Cada Vez Más Parece Que Battistelli está Escondiéndo ‘Evidencia’ Falsa y/o Ilegalmente Obtenda de la Unidad Investigativa de la EPO

    El porqué creemos que Benoît Battistelli está cada vez mas desesperado de esconder operaciónes ilícitas de reunir ´evidencia´ lo que eventuálment lo puso a él mismo — no al acusado — en una situación catastrófica situacion que lo puede forzar (esperamos) a us renuncia



  26. Links 28/6/2016: Vista 10 Updategate, OpenMandriva 3.0 Beta 2

    Links for the day



  27. Links 27/6/2016: Linux 4.7 RC 5, OpenMandriva Lx 3.0 Beta 2

    Links for the day



  28. From Alleged Organised Crime to Vice-President of the European Patent Office (EPO)

    Željko Topić's situation in Croatia illuminated by means of recent documents from the authorities



  29. Battistelli May Still be on the Way Out as Pressure Grows in Germany, UPC in Shambles

    Pressure on Battistelli is growing even from within circles that are traditionally protective of him and a long letter is sent to Dr. Christoph Ernst, who some believe will replace Battistelli



  30. Caricature: European Patent Office (EPO) Under Battistelli

    The latest caricature about the state of the European Patent Office (EPO)


CoPilotCo

RSS 64x64RSS Feed: subscribe to the RSS feed for regular updates

Home iconSite Wiki: You can improve this site by helping the extension of the site's content

Home iconSite Home: Background about the site and some key features in the front page

Chat iconIRC Channel: Come and chat with us in real time

CoPilotCo

Recent Posts