01.16.11

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Mono in ‘Damage Control’

Posted in Microsoft, Mono, Novell at 12:57 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

Fire and ice

Summary: Mono/.NET boosters have initiated another wave of ruthless personal attacks to defend the indefensible

AS many people can tell, Techrights has been getting a lot of flak from the Mono community over the past week or so. Whether it’s in blogs, in IRC, microblogging or whatever, the Mono community is scrambling to respond to the latest PR problem that they have. Always ask yourself though, are they actually addressing the criticisms? Or are they attacking people and their respective platform? If it’s the latter (which it overwhelming is), then it means they have no counter argument and they resort to the lowest from of defence. While it is true that some sites still cover Mono applications (but not as many sites as there used to be), there is usually a warning about the nature of Mono and that's important progress. Mono boosters spin it. They are still in denial over the FSF's stance for example. It’s like the rejected boyfriend who keeps pretending his ex-girlfriend loves him. The truth of the matter is, more and more people are fed up with Mono and those many personal attacks on Mono critics (misquoting, out of context quoting, false associations, cheap smears, disinformation, etc.) are no longer effective. Their shelf life is due. To repeat the take-home message, when viewing a defence of Mono, check to see if it’s an attack on messengers or a real defence. Unpopular opinions are not incorrect opinions and they initially put the source at risk.

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13 Comments

  1. The Mad Hatter said,

    January 16, 2011 at 3:02 am

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    Dangerous analogy, since the rejected boyfriend is usually a sociopath who ends up killing her.

    Wayne

    PS: I was reading books on DNA and other evidence collection tools and means twenty years before CSI first aired. Some of the people who told me I was crazy to read that stuff are now hooked. Of course none of them have apologized…

  2. Dr. Roy Schestowitz said,

    January 16, 2011 at 4:50 am

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    Dangerous analogy, since the rejected boyfriend is usually a sociopath who ends up killing her.

    I was talking about agony resulting from rejection and I know guys (friends of mine) in that situation although girls too, I suppose, can outnumber guys in the same sort of position. So “sociopath who ends up killing her” is another matter altogether.

    The Mad Hatter Reply:

    Yeah, guess I was being sexist. Murder is an equal opportunity sport these days.

    twitter Reply:

    There are better analogies but none are so good as a simple statement of facts. You could compare the mono moaning to a frustrated animal in rut, or just call them a bunch of dicks. It is obvious that none care too much for the long term safety or efficiency of free software. They simply boost their favorite language and work at the expense of other, often better works and don’t care if using Microsoft’s insane, patented framework brings bloat, instability, inefficiency or lawsuits. A safer, less sexualized analogy would be to call mono a cockoo or brood parasite that’s pushing out free software chicks like GIMP and Richard Stallman out of the nest. Microsoft did the same thing to IBM once, pushing MFC or some other hated framework that Microsoft people would never use onto Lotus developers. I love this picture. Microsoft dreams of Ubuntu looking like that nest. The problem with those analogies is that animals don’t get paid to gratify themselves and prominent mono boosters are. Only their deluded followers have the honesty of animal urges. The news is that several mono pushers have been on a tear, attacking Techrights and others who oppose them. That and money on the table are disgraceful. The Microsoft/Novell goal is to divide and conquer.

    Dr. Roy Schestowitz Reply:

    I quite like the photo and its licence.

  3. mario said,

    January 16, 2011 at 12:00 pm

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    There’s a certain lack of objectivity and hence trustworthiness in your posts. Would you mind adding a few verifying links to the claimed personal attacks from the Mono community? Otherwise I’d have to assume you are just the rambling nutjub as which you come across.

    Dr. Roy Schestowitz Reply:

    Why would I want to link to insults?

    mario Reply:

    To verify that you didn’t make them up? Also, you didn’t actually seem opposed to smearing or insulting others.

    Dr. Roy Schestowitz Reply:

    I was sincere in my criticism and also very polite. The smears I refer to here are both impolite and at times libelous. To make matters worse, Novell employees participate in this.

    twitter Reply:

    There are numerous links in the IRC logs you can research if you like. They link to Twitter postings and other ephemeral stuff that does not deserve repetition or promotion.

    Your own posting here is a good enough example. Most people who read this site do not think of Roy as a, “rambling nutjub.” These smears come from a small group of mono boosters and other Microsoft affiliated people who also dump on the likes of Richard Stallman and Groklaw. Thanks for helping out but I don’t think it’s working for you.

    The Mad Hatter Reply:

    Have to wonder if @rclayton is hanging around here.

    Dr. Roy Schestowitz Reply:

    I think it’s someone’s aggressive alter-ego/pseudonym (for use when in need of militant pro-Mono backup).

    The Mad Hatter Reply:

    Agreed, it’s someone’s alter-ego. The evidence in the posting pattern is pretty clear.

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