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| DaemonFC[m] | <MinceR "DaemonFC: samsung phones really "> Nope. Since they added Microsoft crap and then T-Mobile tweaked it to demand your location for "analytics" even when you told it no. | Jan 16 00:00 |
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| MinceR | :> | Jan 16 00:00 |
| schestowitz | [23:59] <MinceR> the ability to comment has already disappeared from many sites | Jan 16 00:01 |
| schestowitz | Jan 16 00:01 | |
| schestowitz | high-profile people block comments | Jan 16 00:01 |
| schestowitz | Twitter gives them that option | Jan 16 00:01 |
| schestowitz | even if they have publicly accessible accounts (to all) | Jan 16 00:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's this thing called Google Location Accuracy which "improves" your location using wifi and Bluetooth, but if you don't turn it off, it starts demanding bluetooth and wifi to be turned on with a tray notification ever time I go into my apartment. | Jan 16 00:01 |
| schestowitz | they want to control how their lies are seen | Jan 16 00:01 |
| MinceR | CrystalMath: basically, companies aren't going to risk their hides for anyone and authoritarians (of which we have a huge surplus) are going to insist on being able to punish someone when content that offends them gets posted | Jan 16 00:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I didn't even figure out how to make that stop until just now. | Jan 16 00:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <MinceR "CrystalMath: basically, companie"> The far-right is pissed because THEY are on the receiving end, not the giving end, of the apparatus. | Jan 16 00:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If that ever changed they'd drop the pretense of caring about free speech. | Jan 16 00:02 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/04/13/us/google-location-tracking-police.html | Jan 16 00:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Tracking Phones, Google Is a Dragnet for the Police - The New York Times | Jan 16 00:02 | |
| schestowitz | stop carrying those shitty devices | Jan 16 00:03 |
| schestowitz | please | Jan 16 00:03 |
| schestowitz | AND | Jan 16 00:03 |
| schestowitz | tell other people to do the same | Jan 16 00:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You think they want a free speech platform that gives progressives a platform? Parler said unmoderated and then when progressives came and started posting, they all got thrown off and banned. | Jan 16 00:03 |
| schestowitz | because their tracking devices are used to also track people nearby | Jan 16 00:03 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: how am i supposed to access the Internet? | Jan 16 00:03 |
| schestowitz | laptop maybe | Jan 16 00:03 |
| MinceR | and how is that laptop going to connect to the network? | Jan 16 00:03 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: i have a nokia 3310 from 2000 | Jan 16 00:03 |
| CrystalMath | am i safe? | Jan 16 00:03 |
| schestowitz | the laptops doesn't talk to the towers all the time | Jan 16 00:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: A free speech app is all the "news" says about Parler, without mentioning that they threw progressives off for saying things like the minimum wage should be higher. | Jan 16 00:04 |
| CrystalMath | i keep the phone mostly at home | Jan 16 00:04 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: they do if they use a cellular network | Jan 16 00:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They nipped it in the bud because all they want is QAnon on there. | Jan 16 00:04 |
| schestowitz | CrystalMath: not for location tracking | Jan 16 00:04 |
| CrystalMath | DaemonFC[m]: yeah parleri s very anti-free speech | Jan 16 00:04 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: my SIM card is anonymous | Jan 16 00:04 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC[m]: ah, "free speech" | Jan 16 00:04 |
| schestowitz | CrystalMath: then you greatly minimise the downsides | Jan 16 00:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Some shady people who incorporated in Nevada. | Jan 16 00:05 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: also, having the cellular chip built right into the laptop likely exposes the laptop to security holes | Jan 16 00:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Won't even tell people who really owns it. | Jan 16 00:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Wants your driver's license and Social Security cards. | Jan 16 00:05 |
| schestowitz | [00:04] <CrystalMath> schestowitz: my SIM card is anonymous | Jan 16 00:05 |
| schestowitz | won't help | Jan 16 00:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And they leaked those too in the end. | Jan 16 00:05 |
| schestowitz | even if you top up with cash | Jan 16 00:05 |
| schestowitz | they can see where it's homed | Jan 16 00:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even though they said they deleted it after verification. | Jan 16 00:05 |
| CrystalMath | it's prepaid and i pay with cash ofc | Jan 16 00:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: People lie, you know. | Jan 16 00:05 |
| schestowitz | so the signals agencies know who owns the device | Jan 16 00:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If they say you can't know who owns the company, why would you send them that kind of ID? | Jan 16 00:06 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: i doubt triangulation is that precise | Jan 16 00:06 |
| psydroid | they can link it to your home address | Jan 16 00:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No wonder the FBI keeps filing 100 new charges per day from the Capitol riot. | Jan 16 00:06 |
| *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) | Jan 16 00:06 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most of them were on Parler and doxxed themselves. | Jan 16 00:06 |
| schestowitz | CrystalMath: depends | Jan 16 00:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Complete with their driver's license. | Jan 16 00:06 |
| schestowitz | maybe not in Serbia (Was it?) | Jan 16 00:06 |
| CrystalMath | serbia, but like, the question is how precise is triangulation | Jan 16 00:07 |
| schestowitz | here I checked and where we live they approximate about 1-2 meters range | Jan 16 00:07 |
| schestowitz | maybe near a tower they can do sub-meter | Jan 16 00:07 |
| CrystalMath | even a meter off could be beyond the limits of my property | Jan 16 00:07 |
| CrystalMath | because of where i keep it | Jan 16 00:07 |
| CrystalMath | 2 would already be very ambiguous | Jan 16 00:07 |
| schestowitz | I often wonder about altitudes | Jan 16 00:07 |
| CrystalMath | that too, is very important | Jan 16 00:08 |
| schestowitz | like in apartment buildings. As the towers are now spread high up | Jan 16 00:08 |
| schestowitz | they are spread horizontally, not vertically | Jan 16 00:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/15/politics/pentagon-national-guard-inauguration/index.html | Jan 16 00:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Pentagon authorizes 25,000 National Guard members for inauguration - CNNPolitics | Jan 16 00:08 | |
| MinceR | if they really wanted, they could use mobile antennas to triangulate your device | Jan 16 00:08 |
| schestowitz | so in large building it's expensive to figure out, based on voices, who's who | Jan 16 00:08 |
| schestowitz | but they can figure it out based on who you phone | Jan 16 00:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: They sent in 5,000 _more_. Total 25,000 troops on the ground in DC now. | Jan 16 00:08 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: yeah that would be easy then | Jan 16 00:08 |
| schestowitz | "mom", "dad", "boss", "colleague" | Jan 16 00:09 |
| CrystalMath | by whom i phone, with this SIM | Jan 16 00:09 |
| CrystalMath | it's very easy to tell a lot about me | Jan 16 00:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's a standing army encamped in DC because of QAnon at the moment. | Jan 16 00:09 |
| schestowitz | that can be automated and matched up against databases with social and family graphs | Jan 16 00:09 |
| CrystalMath | like who i am and where i work | Jan 16 00:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's time to admit that this was allowed to get way out of hand. | Jan 16 00:09 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: but i don't take that phone with me much | Jan 16 00:09 |
| schestowitz | but you phone people | Jan 16 00:09 |
| CrystalMath | sure, from the landline as well | Jan 16 00:09 |
| schestowitz | and you are on some people's address books | Jan 16 00:09 |
| schestowitz | which go to "the clown" | Jan 16 00:09 |
| schestowitz | Google etc. | Jan 16 00:09 |
| schestowitz | some "Apps" like Skype take those address books | Jan 16 00:10 |
| schestowitz | or call history | Jan 16 00:10 |
| schestowitz | hoovering them up when you press OK upon install | Jan 16 00:10 |
| schestowitz | "yeah, yeah... whatever... I accept" | Jan 16 00:10 |
| CrystalMath | well i think getting away from that would be way more difficult | Jan 16 00:10 |
| CrystalMath | at least i managed to reduce the surveillance to 2000s levels | Jan 16 00:10 |
| schestowitz | nothing is easy | Jan 16 00:10 |
| schestowitz | I don't talk personal things on the phone | Jan 16 00:11 |
| CrystalMath | or maybe even 90s levels | Jan 16 00:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/15/politics/capitol-capture-assassinate-elected-officials/index.html | Jan 16 00:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-US takes back its assertion that Capitol rioters wanted to 'capture and assassinate' officials - CNNPolitics | Jan 16 00:11 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: He was/wasn't going to kill them with his spear and magic helmet. | Jan 16 00:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Spear and magic helmet? | Jan 16 00:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | SPEAR AND MAGIC HEEEEEELMET! | Jan 16 00:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | -CNN | Jan 16 00:11 |
| schestowitz | stop with this CNN noise | Jan 16 00:11 |
| schestowitz | it's not news | Jan 16 00:12 |
| schestowitz | it's tribal crap | Jan 16 00:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I just thought it was a way to make a Bugs Bunny/Elmer Fudd reference. | Jan 16 00:12 |
| schestowitz | optimised for ratings and ads | Jan 16 00:12 |
| schestowitz | (and agenda) | Jan 16 00:12 |
| schestowitz | they also make caricatures of people | Jan 16 00:12 |
| schestowitz | as foes Fox | Jan 16 00:12 |
| schestowitz | to distract from the severity of the social divide | Jan 16 00:12 |
| schestowitz | a lot of them are like your parebts, DaemonFC[m] | Jan 16 00:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Yes, "Betty" sat in her house alone and watching CNN, Fox, and the 700 Club all day. | Jan 16 00:13 |
| schestowitz | misguided, bigoted, desperate | Jan 16 00:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Convinced that the world would end several times. | Jan 16 00:13 |
| schestowitz | media calling them names won't help | Jan 16 00:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Hoarding the aforementioned food that went bad. | Jan 16 00:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Fortunately it did some good. Gonad broke his toe on it. | Jan 16 00:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Good for Betty! | Jan 16 00:13 |
| schestowitz | lol | Jan 16 00:13 |
| schestowitz | he kicked the bucket | Jan 16 00:14 |
| schestowitz | first literally | Jan 16 00:14 |
| schestowitz | then metaphorically | Jan 16 00:14 |
| schestowitz | or kicked the can | Jan 16 00:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | All you need to do if you want someone dead is wait long enough. It'll happen. | Jan 16 00:14 |
| schestowitz | of canned veg | Jan 16 00:14 |
| schestowitz | yes, well... | Jan 16 00:14 |
| schestowitz | if you want to piss someone off | Jan 16 00:14 |
| schestowitz | and that someone is a lot older | Jan 16 00:14 |
| schestowitz | there's a recipe | Jan 16 00:14 |
| schestowitz | my dad taught me this | Jan 16 00:14 |
| techrights-ipfs | ▕ IPFS downstream, 45 mins: ▃▂▂▃▃▁▂▂▂▃▄▃▂▄▃▃▂▅▃▄▂▃▃▄▅▂▅▃▂▃▂▅▂▂▅▃▂▃▅▆▃▄▂▃▅▅▂▃▂▅ ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▂▁▄▂▁▂▃▂▃▂▃▂▃▃▄▂▂▁▂▁▂▁▃▄▃▂▂▃▂▃▂▁▂▄▃▂▂▄▁▁▁▃▃▂▃▂▁▂▁ ⟲ | Jan 16 00:15 |
| schestowitz | when MS Jack fought with me online | Jan 16 00:15 |
| schestowitz | Remind them they don't have much time left | Jan 16 00:15 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: as you and I are in our 30s | Jan 16 00:15 |
| schestowitz | and these people are in their 60s and 70s | Jan 16 00:15 |
| schestowitz | he told me | Jan 16 00:15 |
| schestowitz | make it seem polite | Jan 16 00:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's a sign of just how shitty things are right now. | Jan 16 00:15 |
| schestowitz | but squeeze a little | Jan 16 00:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | These mall companies and restaurants are now offering 20-30% rebates if you buy their gift cards. | Jan 16 00:16 |
| schestowitz | "i don't want to argue with you, I realise you're a lot older so I don't want to hurt your feelings | Jan 16 00:16 |
| schestowitz | then they go BALLISTIC | Jan 16 00:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Dicey investment given that they are teetering on bankruptcy and gift cards make you an unsecured creditor. | Jan 16 00:16 |
| schestowitz | you get discount for the risk | Jan 16 00:16 |
| schestowitz | the possibility those cards are just worthless currency | Jan 16 00:17 |
| schestowitz | pieces of paper | Jan 16 00:17 |
| schestowitz | that nobody will honour | Jan 16 00:17 |
| schestowitz | but it's no joke | Jan 16 00:17 |
| schestowitz | people will get aggressive or kill themselves | Jan 16 00:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh I know, my grandmother was in her 70s. You'd think of all people she could calm down and enjoy her pension checks and Social Security and do some gardening. | Jan 16 00:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In the house, constant doom gloom and boom from those idiots, and even if it was true, she had less time left to suffer under it than I do. | Jan 16 00:17 |
| schestowitz | case of point is, many of those oligarchs don't have much left to live | Jan 16 00:18 |
| schestowitz | Trump's doctor has just died | Jan 16 00:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She's bordering 90 now and in the nursing home and none of that constant panic did her any good, did it? | Jan 16 00:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Just threw away the rest of her life. | Jan 16 00:18 |
| schestowitz | https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/14/nyregion/harold-bornstein-dead.html | Jan 16 00:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Harold N. Bornstein, Trump’s Former Personal Physician, Dies at 73 - The New York Times | Jan 16 00:18 | |
| schestowitz | Trump is next | Jan 16 00:18 |
| schestowitz | his brother died last year | Jan 16 00:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yep, the deplorables are dropping like flies. | Jan 16 00:19 |
| CrystalMath | i'm in my 20s and i'm also against the US democrats | Jan 16 00:19 |
| CrystalMath | i support the US libertarian party | Jan 16 00:19 |
| CrystalMath | (from outside the US, as much as i can) | Jan 16 00:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So far we did lose a covetous Jew though, a real one. | Jan 16 00:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Sheldon Adelson | Jan 16 00:20 |
| schestowitz | Adelson? | Jan 16 00:20 |
| schestowitz | yeah, beat me to it | Jan 16 00:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yep yep. | Jan 16 00:20 |
| schestowitz | Nobody will miss him | Jan 16 00:20 |
| schestowitz | his casinos will rot away | Jan 16 00:20 |
| schestowitz | they cannot operate legally | Jan 16 00:20 |
| schestowitz | and people won't do that crap (or craps) over the Net | Jan 16 00:20 |
| schestowitz | nobody to show off to, the posing doesn't work when you sit there on a chair at home | Jan 16 00:20 |
| CrystalMath | nothing wrong with casinos | Jan 16 00:21 |
| CrystalMath | over here casinos are freaking everywhere, and the only non-essential businesses that were open every second of 2020 | Jan 16 00:21 |
| schestowitz | the biggest casino is still "in business" | Jan 16 00:21 |
| schestowitz | wall street | Jan 16 00:21 |
| CrystalMath | casinos are essential | Jan 16 00:21 |
| schestowitz | for covid | Jan 16 00:22 |
| CrystalMath | :P | Jan 16 00:22 |
| schestowitz | people touching cards and handles | Jan 16 00:22 |
| schestowitz | and for what? a game? | Jan 16 00:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Mandy asked why there was pepper spray on the counter. | Jan 16 00:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I told him I had to go into the courthouse to vote. | Jan 16 00:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He asks didn't we just have an election. | Jan 16 00:22 |
| schestowitz | local | Jan 16 00:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I told him yes, and this is so stupid, but we have to do the local ones on odd years just a few months later. | Jan 16 00:23 |
| schestowitz | I wonder how we'll vote this year for the Council | Jan 16 00:23 |
| schestowitz | different things | Jan 16 00:23 |
| schestowitz | fire services, police, roadwork | Jan 16 00:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I voted to throw out Mr. Sexual Harassment ICE Collaborator (Sam Cunningham). | Jan 16 00:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Replace him with a big block Mexican guy. | Jan 16 00:24 |
| CrystalMath | but in general i support casinos | Jan 16 00:24 |
| schestowitz | seems Manchester does better now against COVID spread | Jan 16 00:24 |
| CrystalMath | like, the idea | Jan 16 00:24 |
| schestowitz | one in 200 has it | Jan 16 00:24 |
| schestowitz | based on testing anyway | Jan 16 00:24 |
| schestowitz | sans extrapolation | Jan 16 00:24 |
| schestowitz | so those would be the ones showing symptoms, I guess | Jan 16 00:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even if the sexual harassment allegation is untrue, the ICE collaboration was confirmed, and when it was made public he had the cop that was in charge of that resign. | Jan 16 00:25 |
| schestowitz | we're in no rush to get tested, which is safer and likely more effective than the 'vaccine' | Jan 16 00:25 |
| schestowitz | I reckon we don't have it | Jan 16 00:25 |
| schestowitz | and not the antibodies either | Jan 16 00:25 |
| schestowitz | i.e. did not have it before | Jan 16 00:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But........As mayor, he's responsible for the police department. They couldn't have made that decision on their own. And it's not even legal to work with ICE here. | Jan 16 00:25 |
| schestowitz | it'll get harder to avoid it over time | Jan 16 00:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yes, because it's turned into an avalanche. | Jan 16 00:26 |
| schestowitz | quadratic growth | Jan 16 00:26 |
| schestowitz | worse than in March | Jan 16 00:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | With 10 million new cases this month and 16 million next month and 25 million the month later. | Jan 16 00:26 |
| schestowitz | you can tell by the piles of death people | Jan 16 00:26 |
| schestowitz | we broke the record this month | Jan 16 00:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It took us 9 months to get to 20 million I think. | Jan 16 00:27 |
| schestowitz | we're at over 3 milion now | Jan 16 00:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then there will be 40 million by the end of this month. | Jan 16 00:27 |
| schestowitz | that's about as many as receive Dose One (TM) from Viagra Company(TM) | Jan 16 00:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it only takes 2 months to do what the past 9 months total did, and if you think the hospitals are full now, guess what it'll look like at the end of next month. | Jan 16 00:27 |
| schestowitz | so covid spreads faster, on average, than the jabs | Jan 16 00:28 |
| schestowitz | outpacing the clinical trials | Jan 16 00:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But thanks to USCIS, we have to go to Chicago in the middle of this and have Immigration go over our bank records and wedding pictures and ask us what brand of toothpaste we use. | Jan 16 00:28 |
| schestowitz | which have yet to prove any positive effect, or significant effecr | Jan 16 00:28 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: that overlooks the greater issue | Jan 16 00:28 |
| schestowitz | not how many are ful | Jan 16 00:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: It'll probably be like the trustee thing at the bk court. | Jan 16 00:28 |
| schestowitz | but the TYPES of patients | Jan 16 00:29 |
| schestowitz | they turn away many people | Jan 16 00:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mom is right about this stuff at least. It's stupid, but just play the game. | Jan 16 00:29 |
| schestowitz | even those who need screenings, bed, nurse oversight | Jan 16 00:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They've had COVID in the facility where she works a few times but by dumb luck, no major outbreak. | Jan 16 00:29 |
| schestowitz | maybe because they prayed | Jan 16 00:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most nursing homes in Indiana where it gets in, that's in man. Game over man. Game over! | Jan 16 00:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But these idiots who run the facility just let all these other idiots that work there walk around with their masks under their noses. | Jan 16 00:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And are yet to be overrun. | Jan 16 00:30 |
| schestowitz | they can bring it in from home | Jan 16 00:30 |
| schestowitz | spouse | Jan 16 00:30 |
| schestowitz | unless they sleep in the facilities | Jan 16 00:31 |
| schestowitz | A BN engineer ('open' reach) was here yesterday | Jan 16 00:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They don't. The administrator and her husband were laughing about not wearing their masks. | Jan 16 00:31 |
| schestowitz | their protocols ae strict | Jan 16 00:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then they both got diagnosed with it and had to go into quarantine. | Jan 16 00:31 |
| schestowitz | I talk to him from another room | Jan 16 00:31 |
| schestowitz | window wide open, zero degrees outside | Jan 16 00:31 |
| schestowitz | mask on, hoodie | Jan 16 00:32 |
| schestowitz | he has ppe | Jan 16 00:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What I'm saying is that there's a lot of dumb trash out there who have nursing licenses and blow this off as some sort of a joke at least on their own time. | Jan 16 00:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then they bring it into the nursing home they work at because of that and kill 20-30 old people. | Jan 16 00:33 |
| techrights-bot | Ash Farrow keeps banning people whose politics he does not agree with. And this is what happens... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNTZNglGLZM | Jan 16 00:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-DistroToot Is Now Accepting New Members - YouTube | Jan 16 00:33 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I know the masks aren't perfect for the wearer. | Jan 16 00:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They don't have to be if everyone wears them. | Jan 16 00:34 |
| schestowitz | I got used to them | Jan 16 00:34 |
| schestowitz | the skin and the nerves get accustomed | Jan 16 00:34 |
| schestowitz | the door-to-door engineers are a potential vector | Jan 16 00:35 |
| schestowitz | but were were first on his route, 8am | Jan 16 00:35 |
| schestowitz | so first home he'd enter | Jan 16 00:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I wear the cloth ones and just wash them in detergent, hot water, and in that hand crank machine I have in the kitchen. | Jan 16 00:35 |
| schestowitz | that's what we do too | Jan 16 00:35 |
| schestowitz | rianne is next in line to buy food | Jan 16 00:35 |
| schestowitz | I did twice in a row | Jan 16 00:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I do it every day now. I bought my own spray for the cart handles. | Jan 16 00:36 |
| schestowitz | since covid lockdowns started we've managed to get the same foods for even lower prices | Jan 16 00:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The guy at Walmart actually yelled at me for doing that the other day. Said they already did. I told him, "What's it to you? If that guy did a fantastic job just come over here and touch it yourself. No?". | Jan 16 00:37 |
| schestowitz | since I don't like travelling much anyway, it doesn't bother me in any way except maybe using sauna facilities and such stuff | Jan 16 00:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like, he's a door greeter yelling at me for moving out of the way and spraying a cart handle with stuff I paid for. | Jan 16 00:37 |
| schestowitz | weird | Jan 16 00:38 |
| schestowitz | my dad does the same | Jan 16 00:38 |
| schestowitz | and memorises where it was sanitised | Jan 16 00:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, it's not an overreaction of any kind from the numbers I'm seeing here each day. | Jan 16 00:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I go over the entire handle. | Jan 16 00:38 |
| schestowitz | my skin is better off now, I barely ever touch it | Jan 16 00:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then I use sanitizer on the way out (from the store's bottle). Then put the groceries in the car and more sanitizer (mine) including under my nails and stuff, before I drive off. | Jan 16 00:39 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: the problem is when you pick an item and then touch the handle | Jan 16 00:39 |
| schestowitz | so mask on, never touch face, no open wounds either | Jan 16 00:39 |
| schestowitz | and distance from people who... well, breathe | Jan 16 00:40 |
| schestowitz | even then we wash all the items one by one | Jan 16 00:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Some of the employees there slip their masks off I've noticed. | Jan 16 00:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Or touch their mask then their face. | Jan 16 00:40 |
| schestowitz | because we cannot leave cold items to quarantine for 3 days, they'd spoil | Jan 16 00:40 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.netfort.gr.jp | It's been 20 years since I became a Debian Developer. | Jan 16 00:41 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yes, the mask does remind you not to touch your face. | Jan 16 00:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I also wear glasses, so puts something in the way of rubbing my eyes. | Jan 16 00:42 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-searchdatamanagement.techtarget.com | ScyllaDB NoSQL database to improve with Project Circe | Jan 16 00:42 | |
| schestowitz | or people sneezing into them | Jan 16 00:43 |
| schestowitz | protective plastic glasses can help | Jan 16 00:43 |
| schestowitz | I have those sport ones, just protective ones | Jan 16 00:43 |
| schestowitz | didn't think of using them as ppe | Jan 16 00:43 |
| schestowitz | but I suppose that might enhance protection | Jan 16 00:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, I sneeze in the masks all the time. | Jan 16 00:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Have to soak them a while to get that out. :P | Jan 16 00:44 |
| CrystalMath | DaemonFC[m]: even if you touch your face, you can't infect others easily when you have a mask on | Jan 16 00:46 |
| techrights-bot | #corporateMedia has made #clinicalTrials and "vaccine" synonyms. This is wrong. This is a cause for concern. It's worse than what #russia does at the moment. | Jan 16 00:46 |
| CrystalMath | i similarly don't care about myself being infected | Jan 16 00:46 |
| CrystalMath | i'm 100% certain that i will not mind the outcome if i get covid | Jan 16 00:46 |
| CrystalMath | (because i wouldn't mind dying either) | Jan 16 00:46 |
| CrystalMath | whatever happens, happens, i trust nature's decision, even if it means removing me | Jan 16 00:46 |
| schestowitz | collective responsibility | Jan 16 00:47 |
| CrystalMath | i do care about not infecting others | Jan 16 00:47 |
| MinceR | you wouldn't mind a lifetime of suffering either? | Jan 16 00:47 |
| CrystalMath | which is where the mask works | Jan 16 00:47 |
| schestowitz | that's a problem... for them | Jan 16 00:47 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: from the looks of it, that's always guaranteed | Jan 16 00:47 |
| schestowitz | the future is bright | Jan 16 00:48 |
| schestowitz | we have old Nokia bricks | Jan 16 00:48 |
| CrystalMath | umm, have you been paying attention to your own news? | Jan 16 00:48 |
| MinceR | CrystalMath: i mean an extra layer of suffering for the rest of your life | Jan 16 00:48 |
| MinceR | something like greatly reduced lung capacity | Jan 16 00:48 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: i have a liter to spare that i'm not using | Jan 16 00:49 |
| schestowitz | lol | Jan 16 00:49 |
| schestowitz | give me yo' kidney! | Jan 16 00:49 |
| schestowitz | you don't use that one anyway! | Jan 16 00:49 |
| MinceR | maybe COVID-19 will take more than that | Jan 16 00:49 |
| CrystalMath | well you see, last february i met someone who lived in wuhan and after that i got this strange flu | Jan 16 00:49 |
| schestowitz | my colleague is in hopital with covid emergency and he's my age | Jan 16 00:49 |
| schestowitz | 30s | Jan 16 00:49 |
| schestowitz | daniel... | Jan 16 00:50 |
| CrystalMath | and i feel like i do have a somewhat reduced lung capacity | Jan 16 00:50 |
| CrystalMath | but not a lot | Jan 16 00:50 |
| schestowitz | it's very serious, but they got him stabilised last night | Jan 16 00:50 |
| schestowitz | I think I might go for the record now and stay home for more than 3 weeks, until things reopen... | Jan 16 00:51 |
| CrystalMath | i still haven't been able to beat my 2019 record | Jan 16 00:51 |
| CrystalMath | of staying at home | Jan 16 00:51 |
| CrystalMath | depression > covid :P | Jan 16 00:51 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 16 00:51 |
| schestowitz | years ago I managed to stay in the same flood for 3 days, iirc | Jan 16 00:51 |
| schestowitz | *floor | Jan 16 00:52 |
| schestowitz | but I don't cook much :-) | Jan 16 00:52 |
| CrystalMath | do you live in one of those terraced houses? | Jan 16 00:52 |
| schestowitz | yes | Jan 16 00:52 |
| CrystalMath | i see | Jan 16 00:52 |
| techrights-bot | Linux Coming to Apple M1 Macs New Ubuntu Members Manjaro 20.2 Nibia Out BlackArch 2020.12.1 Out Nitrux 1.3.5 Out KDE Plasma 5.20.4 Out Cinnamon 4.8 Out OpenZFS 2.0 Out Linux Kernel 5.10 rc6 Out Sys… | Jan 16 00:57 |
| schestowitz | Dirk Eddelbuettel: #Rcpp 1.0.6: Some Updates http://dirk.eddelbuettel.com/blog/2021/01/15#rcpp_1.0.6 | Jan 16 00:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dirk.eddelbuettel.com | Thinking inside the box | Jan 16 00:59 | |
| CrystalMath | i'll likely be leaving linux soon | Jan 16 01:01 |
| CrystalMath | not sure if this year | Jan 16 01:01 |
| CrystalMath | but i am planning to leave linux in favor of NetBSD | Jan 16 01:01 |
| MinceR | i have a similar plan, though i haven't picked the BSD that is right for me yet | Jan 16 01:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The GPU on the M1 is really weird. | Jan 16 01:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But it's Apple so you expect it to be overdesigned I guess. | Jan 16 01:03 |
| MinceR | well, i expect it to be a particularly weak model from nvidia, amd or intel, with next to no support | Jan 16 01:04 |
| MinceR | advertised as the second coming, of course | Jan 16 01:05 |
| psydroid | I have OpenBSD installed on a few machines here | Jan 16 01:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not. I hear it's possibly derived from a PowerVR model. | Jan 16 01:05 |
| MinceR | ooh, powervr | Jan 16 01:05 |
| MinceR | they've managed to find a supplier even shittier than the three i've listed | Jan 16 01:05 |
| MinceR | i shouldn't be surprised, it is after all crApple | Jan 16 01:05 |
| MinceR | does crapOS use it in vesa compatibility mode? | Jan 16 01:06 |
| MinceR | maybe they could add an LED saying "please wait, we're sure we'll finish drawing this window today... or tomorrow, tops) | Jan 16 01:07 |
| MinceR | s/.$/"/ | Jan 16 01:07 |
| techrights-bot | Celebrating the FSF’s 35th anniversary: Stories from the Licensing and Compliance Lab • 𝕋𝕦𝕩 𝕄𝕒𝕔𝕙𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146540 •●• #GNU #FSF | Jan 16 01:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Celebrating the FSF’s 35th anniversary: Stories from the Licensing and Compliance Lab | Tux Machines | Jan 16 01:08 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're getting rid of that ridiculous "touch bar" from the next Macbook. | Jan 16 01:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This is what you get with companies like that. They don't ask anyone or do any research. They just add random things that get in the way, and then everyone who does use it gets it taken away a year or three later. | Jan 16 01:10 |
| schestowitz | ribbon | Jan 16 01:11 |
| schestowitz | they do 'clinical trials' on their users | Jan 16 01:11 |
| schestowitz | and then withdraw | Jan 16 01:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Remember how Ribbon was supposed to be revolutionary and great to use and now there's just vestiges of it here and there in things they haven't redone lately. | Jan 16 01:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The File Explorer looks really out of place. | Jan 16 01:14 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Windows 10 Creators Update and later versions come with a new Universal File Explorer (also known as the UWP File Explorer). Although hidden, it can be opened by creating a shortcut pointing to "explorer shell:AppsFolder\c5e2524a-ea46-4f67-841f-6a9465d9d515_cw5n1h2txyewy!App" [36][37] | Jan 16 01:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | LOL | Jan 16 01:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Very useful. A hidden file manager. | Jan 16 01:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They must be getting ready to give the old Windows Explorer the boot. | Jan 16 01:20 |
| MinceR | isn't uwp on the way out already? | Jan 16 01:28 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Maybe | Jan 16 01:35 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/15/business/nra-bankruptcy-new-york-texas/index.html | Jan 16 01:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-NRA files for bankruptcy - CNN | Jan 16 01:46 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techbytes @ FreeNode: Friday, January 15, 2021 | Jan 16 02:41 | |
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| kingoffrance | "explorer shell:AppsFolder\c5e2524a-ea46-4f67-841f-6a9465d9d515_cw5n1h2txyewy!App" what do you mean hidden, thats totally user friendly intuitive | Jan 16 06:47 |
| kingoffrance | i type that all the time, its a common phrase | Jan 16 06:47 |
| kingoffrance | compared to "ls" who knows what that stands for? | Jan 16 06:48 |
| schestowitz | kingoffrance: hex even | Jan 16 07:05 |
| schestowitz | memorise THAT, son | Jan 16 07:06 |
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| techrights-bot | Create Bootable USB Using #Etcher in Linux – Download and Usage Guide • 🆃🆄🆇 🅼🅰🅲🅷🅸🅽🅴🆂 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146542 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jan 16 09:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Create Bootable USB Using Etcher in Linux – Download and Usage Guide | Tux Machines | Jan 16 09:24 | |
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| techrights-bot | #HowTo use KDE’s productivity suite, #Kontact • 🆃🆄🆇 🅼🅰🅲🅷🅸🅽🅴🆂 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146541 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/01/16/#latest | Jan 16 09:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to use KDE's productivity suite, Kontact | Tux Machines | Jan 16 09:28 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Jan 16 09:28 | |
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| techrights-bot | #UPC is dead and #patent boosters are unhappy https://pink.pharmaintelligence.informa.com/PS143603/Constitutional-Complaints-In-Germany-Cast-Doubt-Over-Fate-Of-UPC | Jan 16 10:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ https://pink.pharmaintelligence.informa.com/PS143603/Constitutional-Complaints-In-Germany-Cast-Doubt-Over-Fate-Of-UPC ) | Jan 16 10:01 | |
| techrights-bot | The Greens in the 2020 #Elections and Beyond https://howiehawkins.us/the-greens-in-the-2020-elections-and-beyond/ #election #greenparty | Jan 16 10:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-howiehawkins.us | The Greens in the 2020 Elections and Beyond | Howie Hawkins for President | Angela Walker for Vice President | Jan 16 10:02 | |
| techrights-bot | FOSS Patents: #Samsung appeals #Ericsson 's anti-antisuit injunction from #Texas to the #FederalCircuit ⇨ http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/01/samsung-appeals-ericssons-anti-antisuit.html •●• @fosspatents | Jan 16 10:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: Samsung appeals Ericsson's anti-antisuit injunction from Texas to the Federal Circuit | Jan 16 10:05 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Jan 16 11:00 | |
| liberty_box | https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1384409/ice-cream-reportedly-tests-positive-for-covid-19 | Jan 16 11:13 |
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| techrights-bot | "After years of making pro-Trump comments [...] I was shocked by the absurd positions he took on SARS-CoV-2 last year--even by utterances that weren't nearly as crazy as suggesting that one might inject disinfectants." http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/01/best-outcome-of-impeachment-for.html | Jan 16 11:28 |
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| techrights-bot | he Developer eXperience (DX) team at #Intel seems to be full of #Microsoft drones instead of developers and/or mildly technical people http://techrights.org/2021/01/16/intel-developer-inexperience/ http://techrights.org/wiki/Intel_leaks | Jan 16 11:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | InteLeaks – Part XVI: Intel Cannot Do Command Line, Even When It’s Vastly Simpler and More Suitable for Development | Techrights | Jan 16 11:31 | |
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| techrights-bot | 4 Best Alternatives to #WhatsApp that Actually Respect Your #Privacy - Make Tech Easier ⇨ https://www.maketecheasier.com/alternatives-to-whatsapp/ | Jan 16 11:36 |
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| Ariadne | text reflow in konsole wtf | Jan 16 12:09 |
| Ariadne | i don't want text reflow in a terminal emulator | Jan 16 12:09 |
| schestowitz | I thought the same, Ariadne | Jan 16 12:10 |
| schestowitz | I like konsole nonetheless | Jan 16 12:10 |
| schestowitz | I use no other terminal anymore | Jan 16 12:10 |
| schestowitz | it has some nice features in it, like alerts with regex on actions | Jan 16 12:10 |
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| schestowitz | Pocock: | Jan 16 12:17 |
| schestowitz | > Thanks for the coverage of this issue, I have a collection of threats | Jan 16 12:17 |
| schestowitz | > here now and I'm thinking about publishing the whole lot. | Jan 16 12:17 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 16 12:17 |
| schestowitz | > Technically the photo was published by the Debian Community News Team, | Jan 16 12:17 |
| schestowitz | > would you consider tweaking your post to use that name? | Jan 16 12:17 |
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| schestowitz | "the photo [which led to a copyright-centric SLAPP action] was published by the Debian Community News Team, | Jan 16 12:20 |
| schestowitz | > would you consider tweaking your post to use that name? | Jan 16 12:20 |
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| vZS1_2 | Looks like yesterday was a busy day in IRC. | Jan 16 12:21 |
| vZS1_2 | Log files are longer than usual | Jan 16 12:21 |
| Ariadne | i think you should be careful about factchecking what pocock puts out there | Jan 16 12:21 |
| Ariadne | some of it is true, some of it is not | Jan 16 12:21 |
| Ariadne | i feel like to some extent he is using you as a useful sockpuppet | Jan 16 12:23 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: I know.. | Jan 16 12:23 |
| schestowitz | I mean | Jan 16 12:23 |
| schestowitz | the first past | Jan 16 12:23 |
| schestowitz | [12:21] <Ariadne> i think you should be careful about factchecking what pocock puts out there | Jan 16 12:23 |
| schestowitz | the "I know" refers to this | Jan 16 12:23 |
| schestowitz | he's not "syuing me" | Jan 16 12:23 |
| schestowitz | he's not the one reaching out to me | Jan 16 12:23 |
| Ariadne | i know he's not suing you | Jan 16 12:23 |
| schestowitz | I just see what is being put out there | Jan 16 12:23 |
| schestowitz | many posts I never reproduced | Jan 16 12:24 |
| schestowitz | or only partly | Jan 16 12:24 |
| schestowitz | what seemed to match up against facts | Jan 16 12:24 |
| schestowitz | *using | Jan 16 12:24 |
| schestowitz | not suing | Jan 16 12:24 |
| schestowitz | some people threaten to sue him | Jan 16 12:24 |
| schestowitz | not because they would, they just try hard to silence him | Jan 16 12:24 |
| schestowitz | as he stifles their agenda, which is not community-centric | Jan 16 12:24 |
| schestowitz | I'll put out an articles shortly, part of a series | Jan 16 12:25 |
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| vZS1_2 | Pocock is a good example of what happens when you have "SJWs" hijack control of a project and then get them to do your dirty work. | Jan 16 12:25 |
| Ariadne | is it? | Jan 16 12:25 |
| vZS1_2 | They kick the technical people out, in general. | Jan 16 12:26 |
| vZS1_2 | People that can call out the BS | Jan 16 12:26 |
| vZS1_2 | And who damped the marketing | Jan 16 12:26 |
| Ariadne | "SJW" these days is a catch-all boogeyman term largely utilized by the alt-right | Jan 16 12:27 |
| vZS1_2 | I used it in the derogatory sense | Jan 16 12:27 |
| Ariadne | yes, the alt-right sense | Jan 16 12:27 |
| vZS1_2 | I don't have to be alt-right to use a word a certain way | Jan 16 12:28 |
| vZS1_2 | That's absurd | Jan 16 12:28 |
| Ariadne | sure. i am just letting you know who primarily uses that term in the same context as you. | Jan 16 12:28 |
| vZS1_2 | And if some alt-right people make the same observation, good for them. | Jan 16 12:29 |
| Ariadne | a better, and more accurate term, is "concern troll" | Jan 16 12:29 |
| vZS1_2 | That works too | Jan 16 12:29 |
| Ariadne | using accurate terms is important, as referring to concern trolls as "SJWs" undermines people who are doing important social justice work (including work on free software) | Jan 16 12:30 |
| vZS1_2 | An SJW doesn't care about social justice | Jan 16 12:30 |
| vZS1_2 | It's satire | Jan 16 12:30 |
| Ariadne | of course not, but the average person assumes they do | Jan 16 12:30 |
| Ariadne | anyway, the Pocock situation is not Pocock vs SJWs | Jan 16 12:31 |
| vZS1_2 | It certainly is | Jan 16 12:31 |
| Ariadne | it really isn't. i know many of the people involved. none of them are SJWs | Jan 16 12:31 |
| vZS1_2 | Sure | Jan 16 12:31 |
| Ariadne | i think accurately describing the Pocock situation is also important, as "Pocock vs SJWs" does not accurately describe the legitimate concerns | Jan 16 12:33 |
| Ariadne | which is that Pocock saw internal FSFE data he was not supposed to be aware of, and as a result FSFE tries to discredit him | Jan 16 12:33 |
| Ariadne | Pocock however has responded suboptimally to that campaign which has allowed the people attempting to discredit him more success. | Jan 16 12:34 |
| Ariadne | i think this is largely because he responds emotionally rather than tactically. | Jan 16 12:35 |
| schestowitz | [12:26] <vZS1_2> They kick the technical people out, in general. | Jan 16 12:35 |
| schestowitz | this is true | Jan 16 12:35 |
| schestowitz | happens at OSI right now | Jan 16 12:36 |
| schestowitz | at warp speed | Jan 16 12:36 |
| Ariadne | at any rate, the real questions of journalistic merit involve what FSFE data did he see that FSFE does not want *us* to see | Jan 16 12:36 |
| schestowitz | 3/4 out their speakers are not technical | Jan 16 12:36 |
| schestowitz | and all represent corporations | Jan 16 12:36 |
| schestowitz | no community at all | Jan 16 12:36 |
| vZS1_2 | Yeah, 3/4 are idiots | Jan 16 12:36 |
| schestowitz | [12:27] <Ariadne> "SJW" these days is a catch-all boogeyman term largely utilized by the alt-right | Jan 16 12:36 |
| schestowitz | I don't use that term | Jan 16 12:36 |
| schestowitz | avoid the term | Jan 16 12:36 |
| schestowitz | dodge it, call it something more meaningful | Jan 16 12:36 |
| schestowitz | [12:29] <Ariadne> a better, and more accurate term, is "concern troll" | Jan 16 12:37 |
| vZS1_2 | It all boils down to coups and hijacks | Jan 16 12:37 |
| schestowitz | much better | Jan 16 12:37 |
| schestowitz | until the alt reich uses that term too | Jan 16 12:37 |
| schestowitz | like Trump hijacked "fake news" | Jan 16 12:37 |
| schestowitz | so you cannot use that term after 2016 | Jan 16 12:37 |
| vZS1_2 | Pocock exposed hijacking of Debian from outside the real community. | Jan 16 12:37 |
| vZS1_2 | The users and engineers | Jan 16 12:38 |
| schestowitz | I am workinbg on an article | Jan 16 12:38 |
| schestowitz | want to help with the draft? | Jan 16 12:38 |
| schestowitz | first draft ready | Jan 16 12:38 |
| vZS1_2 | sure | Jan 16 12:38 |
| schestowitz | needs polishing a bit | Jan 16 12:38 |
| schestowitz | ok, hang on | Jan 16 12:38 |
| Ariadne | i can't agree there. lamby is a talented engineer | Jan 16 12:38 |
| Ariadne | and he lives and breathes debian | Jan 16 12:38 |
| schestowitz | he is | Jan 16 12:38 |
| Ariadne | he was coming up in debian at the same time alpine was started | Jan 16 12:39 |
| schestowitz | but the sidekick jokes about never doing any code | Jan 16 12:39 |
| schestowitz | parachuted because of connections | Jan 16 12:39 |
| schestowitz | not in gnome | Jan 16 12:39 |
| schestowitz | because of lamb's mate | Jan 16 12:39 |
| schestowitz | mcgovern | Jan 16 12:39 |
| schestowitz | who loathes rms | Jan 16 12:39 |
| schestowitz | the g in gnome | Jan 16 12:39 |
| Ariadne | well i have my own criticisms of rms' leadership | Jan 16 12:39 |
| Ariadne | then again, i have witnessed him scream at interns | Jan 16 12:39 |
| schestowitz | vZS1_2: draft: http://techrights.org/2021/01/16/freesw-difficult-truths/ | Jan 16 12:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Suppressed Facts of the Free Software Movement and Its Community of Volunteer – Part I: We Are Under Attack by Corporations and Their Salaried Facilitators | Techrights | Jan 16 12:40 | |
| vZS1_2 | In general, the trend is to kick out the engineers from decision-making positions. | Jan 16 12:40 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: they pushed him out for other reasons | Jan 16 12:40 |
| schestowitz | then justified it | Jan 16 12:40 |
| Ariadne | i know | Jan 16 12:40 |
| schestowitz | by retroactively pulling out old trash | Jan 16 12:41 |
| schestowitz | weak dirt | Jan 16 12:41 |
| schestowitz | and anecdotes | Jan 16 12:41 |
| Ariadne | anyway, my conclusion is the best way to change the future is to actually do work to change the future | Jan 16 12:41 |
| Ariadne | hince alpine, hince everything else i've done | Jan 16 12:41 |
| schestowitz | [12:40] <vZS1_2> In general, the trend is to kick out the engineers from decision-making positions. | Jan 16 12:41 |
| schestowitz | That's what Arjen from Wikileaks (ish) said | Jan 16 12:42 |
| schestowitz | about debian | Jan 16 12:42 |
| schestowitz | that people had been put in charge who have no qualifications | Jan 16 12:42 |
| schestowitz | and same in other institutions | Jan 16 12:42 |
| Ariadne | the DPL position is largely a figurehead position anyway | Jan 16 12:42 |
| schestowitz | it's getting hard to respect | Jan 16 12:42 |
| schestowitz | LF= zemlin | Jan 16 12:42 |
| Ariadne | technical engineering is lead in a bottom-up style | Jan 16 12:42 |
| schestowitz | used to be people liek ian murdoch as CTO | Jan 16 12:42 |
| schestowitz | Murdock | Jan 16 12:42 |
| schestowitz | now a bunch of execs who use Macs and Winsows | Jan 16 12:43 |
| schestowitz | you don't need suits managing geeks | Jan 16 12:43 |
| schestowitz | see InteLeaks | Jan 16 12:43 |
| schestowitz | that leads to bad things | Jan 16 12:43 |
| schestowitz | geeks can become managers, many examples of that | Jan 16 12:43 |
| schestowitz | at least they know their s*** | Jan 16 12:43 |
| schestowitz | my phd supervisor was highly technical | Jan 16 12:43 |
| schestowitz | and head of the CS Department in Manchester | Jan 16 12:43 |
| schestowitz | even if he no longer wrote any more code | Jan 16 12:44 |
| schestowitz | in osi, debian, LF... you deal with people who never coded and probably barely even used computers | Jan 16 12:44 |
| Ariadne | anyway, Pocock does antagonize Debian from time to time | Jan 16 12:44 |
| schestowitz | except to make Microsoft PowerPoint slides | Jan 16 12:44 |
| schestowitz | or to make sales/marketing (Zemlin) | Jan 16 12:44 |
| vZS1_2 | IBM have more or less already hijacked Debian. They've got enough moles and dependencies now. | Jan 16 12:44 |
| schestowitz | Google also | Jan 16 12:45 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is till trying | Jan 16 12:45 |
| schestowitz | see the article draft | Jan 16 12:45 |
| vZS1_2 | Reading slowly | Jan 16 12:45 |
| schestowitz | to suggest improvements or spot typos | Jan 16 12:45 |
| Ariadne | anyway | Jan 16 12:46 |
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| schestowitz | the post mentions no names | Jan 16 12:47 |
| schestowitz | it's by intention | Jan 16 12:47 |
| vZS1_2 | "to a number of informed sourced" | Jan 16 12:47 |
| vZS1_2 | s/sourced/sources/ | Jan 16 12:47 |
| vZS1_2 | "(they still haven’t managed to..." | Jan 16 12:48 |
| vZS1_2 | Missing the closing parenthesis | Jan 16 12:48 |
| schestowitz | cheers, correctedx2 | Jan 16 12:49 |
| schestowitz | the image at the top makes an example | Jan 16 12:49 |
| schestowitz | and demonstrates patterns | Jan 16 12:49 |
| schestowitz | like, you talk about wikileaks showing war crimes | Jan 16 12:49 |
| schestowitz | and end up talking about sex | Jan 16 12:49 |
| schestowitz | because of some people who interject OT stuff | Jan 16 12:49 |
| vZS1_2 | That's why I sometimes just leave when it drifs OT | Jan 16 12:50 |
| vZS1_2 | drifts* | Jan 16 12:50 |
| schestowitz | that's the goal | Jan 16 12:50 |
| schestowitz | to ruin a community and its discussion | Jan 16 12:50 |
| schestowitz | it's not so much about hijacking as it is about disrupting and destroying | Jan 16 12:51 |
| vZS1_2 | I just write down a post-it note and come back when the trolls are gone | Jan 16 12:51 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft doesn't hijack companies and projects just to control then; if they go belly-up, Mission Accomplished | Jan 16 12:51 |
| schestowitz | *them | Jan 16 12:51 |
| vZS1_2 | There's one thing to have a debate and then you just derail the conversation and make it about sex. | Jan 16 12:52 |
| vZS1_2 | WTAF | Jan 16 12:52 |
| schestowitz | "Don't read that stooopid techrights site... it's full of sex perverts" | Jan 16 12:52 |
| schestowitz | (even if those people are self-professed enemies of the site) | Jan 16 12:52 |
| schestowitz | rather than people who support the site | Jan 16 12:53 |
| vZS1_2 | Techrights defends rapists. /s | Jan 16 12:53 |
| vZS1_2 | That's another favourite | Jan 16 12:53 |
| schestowitz | "liked" in twitter | Jan 16 12:53 |
| schestowitz | by Microsoft operatives | Jan 16 12:53 |
| schestowitz | I saw that | Jan 16 12:53 |
| schestowitz | "don't listen to them... they support crimes" | Jan 16 12:53 |
| schestowitz | "they're almost literally raping women" | Jan 16 12:53 |
| schestowitz | "nothing to see there" | Jan 16 12:54 |
| vZS1_2 | Twitter and friends are banned umpa lumpa only after it was clear he was on the way out. | Jan 16 12:55 |
| vZS1_2 | s/are// | Jan 16 12:55 |
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| vZS1_2 | It's probably an attempt to get on the good side of the Biden administration so he goes easier on big tech | Jan 16 12:56 |
| vZS1_2 | When cheeto hitler was president, and he refused to denounce neo-nazis, it was fine to let him stay on their platforms. | Jan 16 12:58 |
| vZS1_2 | "fantastic people on both sides" | Jan 16 12:59 |
| vZS1_2 | Cambridge analytica on FB | Jan 16 12:59 |
| vZS1_2 | all just fiiiiiine | Jan 16 13:00 |
| vZS1_2 | You need to be a special kind of idiot to believe that these platforms actually care about the public | Jan 16 13:00 |
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| Ariadne | actually the goal of that conversation was to provide some insight into what 'free software hacker' culture is actually like | Jan 16 13:03 |
| Ariadne | jake was not cancelled by SJWs, he was cancelled by his fellow hackers | Jan 16 13:03 |
| schestowitz | that's a straw man | Jan 16 13:04 |
| schestowitz | we did not talk about jake | Jan 16 13:04 |
| schestowitz | jacob | Jan 16 13:04 |
| schestowitz | not sure why some call him jake | Jan 16 13:04 |
| Ariadne | that's what he calls himself | Jan 16 13:04 |
| schestowitz | like he's their bbf | Jan 16 13:04 |
| Ariadne | in a casual setting | Jan 16 13:04 |
| schestowitz | but anyway, the subject was wikileaks journalism | Jan 16 13:04 |
| schestowitz | and the extradition | Jan 16 13:04 |
| schestowitz | not sex | Jan 16 13:04 |
| schestowitz | not "jake" | Jan 16 13:04 |
| schestowitz | but one person alone derail that important discussion about leak info about the powerful | Jan 16 13:05 |
| Ariadne | i believe we all agreed that the carceral state has no business dealing with assange's sex life | Jan 16 13:05 |
| schestowitz | https://wikileaks.org/google-is-not-what-it-seems/ | Jan 16 13:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wikileaks.org | Julian Assange - Google Is Not What It Seems | Jan 16 13:05 | |
| schestowitz | new: v | Jan 16 13:05 |
| schestowitz | https://www.thekashmirmonitor.net/amid-whatsapp-controversy-chomsky-quotes-assange-to-explain-how-facebooks-zuckerberg-becomes-man-of-the-year/ | Jan 16 13:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thekashmirmonitor.net | Amid WhatsApp controversy, Chomsky quotes Assange to explain how Facebook's Zuckerberg becomes 'man of the year' - The Kashmir Monitor | Jan 16 13:05 | |
| schestowitz | it's OK for the rich to 'leak' or pass on all our private comms | Jan 16 13:05 |
| schestowitz | but if we embarrass even one rich person by showing comms, that's a crime | Jan 16 13:06 |
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| vZS1_2 | "Invasion of their privacy" | Jan 16 13:06 |
| Ariadne | i believe we also all agreed that the carceral state used what would typically have ended with an annoyed woman being annoyed as an excuse to do what the carceral state does | Jan 16 13:06 |
| vZS1_2 | Only matters if you're rich | Jan 16 13:06 |
| vZS1_2 | Privacy for the plebs? | Jan 16 13:06 |
| vZS1_2 | NO! Terrorism! Child porn! | Jan 16 13:06 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Jan 16 13:07 |
| schestowitz | they pass our data around | Jan 16 13:07 |
| schestowitz | chats with family recorded | Jan 16 13:07 |
| schestowitz | "smart" "assistants" in the bedroom | Jan 16 13:07 |
| Ariadne | does not change the fact that had assange abided by what was requested of him by those women, the swedish government would not have had that angle to explore | Jan 16 13:07 |
| schestowitz | "Alexa, don't listen, we're having sex now" | Jan 16 13:07 |
| vZS1_2 | Btw | Jan 16 13:07 |
| vZS1_2 | Someone else must have pinned the Assange PDFs I put on IPFS | Jan 16 13:07 |
| Ariadne | does not change the fact that it is fucked up to tell a partner you're using a condom and then not use one | Jan 16 13:07 |
| vZS1_2 | Because they were accessible when my node was down | Jan 16 13:08 |
| vZS1_2 | The Assange court judgements in the UK | Jan 16 13:08 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: again, not the subject | Jan 16 13:08 |
| schestowitz | the case has nothing to do withn sweden | Jan 16 13:08 |
| Ariadne | but that is a personal matter, not one that is worthy of the carceral state's involvement | Jan 16 13:08 |
| schestowitz | it's espionage charges from the US | Jan 16 13:08 |
| schestowitz | over cablegate and war ogs | Jan 16 13:08 |
| schestowitz | not women, not sweden | Jan 16 13:08 |
| Ariadne | yes, and he shouldn't be extradited for that | Jan 16 13:08 |
| schestowitz | let's focus on the issues one at a time | Jan 16 13:08 |
| schestowitz | vZS1_2: maybe same hash? | Jan 16 13:09 |
| schestowitz | if you upload the PDF | Jan 16 13:09 |
| schestowitz | and then someone else uploads the same PDF obtained from somewhere else | Jan 16 13:09 |
| schestowitz | would that entail the same cid/hash? | Jan 16 13:09 |
| vZS1_2 | Not always. Depends on how the chunking is done. | Jan 16 13:09 |
| schestowitz | like checksums would for identical files? | Jan 16 13:09 |
| schestowitz | vZS1_2: ok, makes sense | Jan 16 13:10 |
| schestowitz | hashes are much shorter than files that make them up | Jan 16 13:10 |
| schestowitz | so there would be collisions in theory | Jan 16 13:10 |
| vZS1_2 | Yeah | Jan 16 13:10 |
| schestowitz | two separate items leading to identical checksums | Jan 16 13:10 |
| vZS1_2 | Either way. I'm glad the judgement is getting circulation | Jan 16 13:10 |
| schestowitz | in theory, though in practice for a small set of items (say a million) the collisions are not very likely | Jan 16 13:11 |
| schestowitz | tomorrow I will do Part II | Jan 16 13:11 |
| Ariadne | i also think that ross ulbricht should not be in prison for the rest of his life for operating a website | Jan 16 13:11 |
| vZS1_2 | All I've seen in the last couple weeks is ad-hominem attacks on Assange | Jan 16 13:11 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: media painted him as a drug lord | Jan 16 13:11 |
| schestowitz | like it does julian re women | Jan 16 13:11 |
| schestowitz | that distorts the nature of cases | Jan 16 13:11 |
| schestowitz | vZS1_2: he let in rogue people | Jan 16 13:12 |
| schestowitz | many unwittingly | Jan 16 13:12 |
| Ariadne | i think the media has accurately depicted julian's relationship with women, actually | Jan 16 13:12 |
| schestowitz | bad vetting | Jan 16 13:12 |
| schestowitz | like James Balls | Jan 16 13:12 |
| schestowitz | but Balls is also lying | Jan 16 13:12 |
| schestowitz | he was never wikileaks employee | Jan 16 13:12 |
| schestowitz | barely even insider | Jan 16 13:12 |
| schestowitz | he makes a career out of that false association | Jan 16 13:13 |
| schestowitz | now accommodated by Murdoch's "Times" | Jan 16 13:13 |
| Ariadne | it is pretty well understood in the anarchist hacker circles that assange is a womanizer and a transphobe | Jan 16 13:13 |
| Ariadne | has been all along really | Jan 16 13:13 |
| Ariadne | doesn't discount the importance of his work, mind | Jan 16 13:13 |
| schestowitz | those are personal angles | Jan 16 13:13 |
| schestowitz | to distract from wikileaks' contents | Jan 16 13:14 |
| DVulgaris | Well, speaking of the Whatsapp stuff - I think the only viable solutions are IRC and XMPP: But most people won't use that, so Matrix might be a decent middle-ground | Jan 16 13:14 |
| DVulgaris | It's generally all bleak though | Jan 16 13:14 |
| Ariadne | matrix is so useless | Jan 16 13:14 |
| schestowitz | and whether they're true or not, I don't think it even matters in this context | Jan 16 13:14 |
| DVulgaris | Ariadne: It's a shitshow that is user-friendly sadly | Jan 16 13:14 |
| schestowitz | DVulgaris: media suggests bad alternatives | Jan 16 13:14 |
| DVulgaris | Obviously | Jan 16 13:14 |
| Ariadne | i have three devices (a computer, an apple phone and an android phone) and they do not agree on the contents of matrix rooms hosted on my homeserver | Jan 16 13:14 |
| techrights-ipfs | ▕ IPFS downstream, 45 mins: ▆▆▅▃▄▃▄▆▆▅▅▅▄▅▅▅▆▅▄▆▆▃█▄▆▆▆▆▅▅▆▇█▆▅▆▅▅▆▅▆▆▇▅▆▅▅▅▆▆▅ ▕ IPFS upstream: ▂▃▄▃▂▃▂▃▃▃▃▄▃▂▃▂▄▄▃▄▃▂▃▃▄▅▅▃▃▃▃▃▂▂▃▄▂▄▅▃▅▃▂▃▃▃▄▅▂▃▃ ⟲ | Jan 16 13:15 |
| schestowitz | I saw this one 2 hours ago: https://www.maketecheasier.com/alternatives-to-whatsapp/ | Jan 16 13:15 |
| DVulgaris | schestowitz: they won't suggest anything that isn't tapped | Jan 16 13:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | 4 Best Alternatives to WhatsApp that Actually Respect Your Privacy - Make Tech Easier | Jan 16 13:15 | |
| schestowitz | telegram lol | Jan 16 13:15 |
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| vZS1_2 | schestowitz: btw, got a question. | Jan 16 13:15 |
| DVulgaris | Ariadne: I've been having some nice successes with XMPP (Conversations on Android, Gajim on GNU/Linux and Windows) | Jan 16 13:15 |
| vZS1_2 | Could you read section 80 on pg 30 of this https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmeDLCiNko3wZvU7FAHkX21uUCpMHBzjYTSqkWeNaBBnTb | Jan 16 13:15 |
| schestowitz | signal = shithub, give a 'phone' number, not e2ee without keys in the middle (sometimes), vault7 shows bypasses | Jan 16 13:15 |
| schestowitz | jami never mentioned | Jan 16 13:16 |
| vZS1_2 | schestowitz: do you think what's said there holds up? | Jan 16 13:16 |
| schestowitz | formerly ring | Jan 16 13:16 |
| DVulgaris | I cannot trust either telegram or signal - centralized and closed servers are 100% tapped | Jan 16 13:16 |
| *schestowitz checks pdf | Jan 16 13:16 | |
| DVulgaris | schestowitz: I tried Jami, it was rough around the edges - might give it a shot later down the road | Jan 16 13:17 |
| schestowitz | seems reasonable (80) | Jan 16 13:18 |
| vZS1_2 | Also see (82) | Jan 16 13:18 |
| schestowitz | Pentagon papers | Jan 16 13:18 |
| schestowitz | lol | Jan 16 13:19 |
| schestowitz | vZS1_2: then, than | Jan 16 13:19 |
| schestowitz | they had 3 months to issue this PDF | Jan 16 13:19 |
| schestowitz | October to January | Jan 16 13:19 |
| schestowitz | even clerical stuff could snuff this out | Jan 16 13:19 |
| vZS1_2 | Obama administration really liked to go after journalists | Jan 16 13:20 |
| schestowitz | 82 seems correct | Jan 16 13:21 |
| schestowitz | some NSA WBers said the same | Jan 16 13:21 |
| schestowitz | yes, Obama did that | Jan 16 13:21 |
| schestowitz | Risen https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/30/opinion/sunday/if-donald-trump-targets-journalists-thank-obama.html | Jan 16 13:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Opinion | If Donald Trump Targets Journalists, Thank Obama - The New York Times | Jan 16 13:22 | |
| schestowitz | CIA leaker | Jan 16 13:22 |
| schestowitz | Iran nukes blueprint | Jan 16 13:22 |
| schestowitz | Sterling, might be out of prison now, had heart conditions | Jan 16 13:22 |
| schestowitz | Another example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdulelah_Haider_Shaye | Jan 16 13:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Abdulelah Haider Shaye - Wikipedia | Jan 16 13:22 | |
| schestowitz | arrested with involvement by Obama | Jan 16 13:23 |
| schestowitz | as he exposed drone strikes' reality | Jan 16 13:23 |
| schestowitz | which embarrassed the regime from "Uncle Murica" | Jan 16 13:23 |
| schestowitz | " On February 2, 2011, President Obama called then-Yemeni President Ali Abdullah Saleh to discuss counterterrorism cooperation and al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. At the end of the call, according to a White House read-out, Obama "expressed concern" over the release of Shaye. Shaye had not been released at the time of the call, but Saleh did have a pardon prepared. Consequently, Shaye was not released until 2013." | Jan 16 13:23 |
| schestowitz | "After a public outcry from tribal leaders in Yemen over Shaye's imprisonment, Yemeni president Ali Abdullah Saleh was prepared to release Shaye, but he was swayed otherwise by a call from U.S. President Barack Obama on February 2, 2011 citing his "concern" over Shaye's imminent release." | Jan 16 13:24 |
| vZS1_2 | People in Yemen are still dying because of the ongoing conflict | Jan 16 13:25 |
| schestowitz | "Conflict" | Jan 16 13:25 |
| schestowitz | more like "coup' | Jan 16 13:25 |
| schestowitz | or "civil war" | Jan 16 13:25 |
| vZS1_2 | To the profit of the oil barons | Jan 16 13:25 |
| schestowitz | https://wikileaks.org/yemen-files/ | Jan 16 13:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wikileaks.org | WikiLeaks - Yemen Files | Jan 16 13:25 | |
| schestowitz | i have dug up almost all those files at the time | Jan 16 13:26 |
| schestowitz | https://wikileaks.org/yemen-files/ | Jan 16 13:26 |
| schestowitz | the summary seems apt, too (in the page) | Jan 16 13:26 |
| schestowitz | geopolitics | Jan 16 13:26 |
| schestowitz | but they frame that as "war on terror" | Jan 16 13:26 |
| schestowitz | now it is a war on nutrition | Jan 16 13:26 |
| schestowitz | this week (days ago) https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/01/14/famine-not-seen-40-years-un-warns-pompeo-decision-yemen-could-lead-hundreds | Jan 16 13:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | 'Famine Not Seen in 40 Years': UN Warns Pompeo Decision in Yemen Could Lead to Hundreds of Thousands—If Not Millions—Dead | Common Dreams News | Jan 16 13:27 | |
| schestowitz | 2 days ago | Jan 16 13:27 |
| schestowitz | yesterday: https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/01/15/a-yemeni-famine-made-in-washington-and-riyadh/ | Jan 16 13:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A Yemeni Famine Made in Washington and Riyadh - CounterPunch.org | Jan 16 13:28 | |
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| vZS1_2 | From the commondreams article: "He [Pompeo] is convinced that the Houthis are directed by Iran." | Jan 16 13:34 |
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| vZS1_2 | ""Pompeo is implementing a scorched earth policy in his final days, much of it directed at Iran, in an attempt to make it difficult for the incoming administration to reach a negotiated settlement with Tehran." | Jan 16 13:34 |
| vZS1_2 | Witness hundreds of thousands of people die just because some cunt wants to make it harder for political oppoents in the next administration. | Jan 16 13:35 |
| vZS1_2 | s/oppoents/opponents/ | Jan 16 13:35 |
| schestowitz | [13:34] <vZS1_2> From the commondreams article: "He [Pompeo] is convinced that the Houthis are directed by Iran." | Jan 16 13:35 |
| schestowitz | that's an old CIA lie | Jan 16 13:36 |
| schestowitz | from Michael Moron (Morell) | Jan 16 13:36 |
| schestowitz | which he used CBS to spread as he worked there | Jan 16 13:36 |
| schestowitz | anything to tie Iran to enemies of US interests | Jan 16 13:36 |
| vZS1_2 | Iran is a CIA favourite. They love messing with the country. | Jan 16 13:36 |
| schestowitz | Iran said it would be open to redo the nuke deal with Biden | Jan 16 13:37 |
| schestowitz | which must have pissed off Trump and triggered Pompeo | Jan 16 13:37 |
| schestowitz | who does photo ops now with Israel's Crime Minister | Jan 16 13:37 |
| schestowitz | I think they'll have another deal signed later this year, with EU involved | Jan 16 13:37 |
| schestowitz | Iran does not actually need a war (which it would lose regardless) | Jan 16 13:38 |
| schestowitz | it was always just Trump threatening to start a war | Jan 16 13:38 |
| schestowitz | so the provocation did not come from Iran | Jan 16 13:38 |
| schestowitz | it's also trump who violated the deal they had signed with Kerry and others | Jan 16 13:38 |
| schestowitz | I saw the terrified reactions on the faces of friends of mine who left Iran and still have family there | Jan 16 13:39 |
| schestowitz | Trump used "tweets" to threaten to kill millions | Jan 16 13:39 |
| vZS1_2 | Also | Jan 16 13:39 |
| vZS1_2 | From yesterday | Jan 16 13:39 |
| schestowitz | helps Dorsey sell ads | Jan 16 13:39 |
| vZS1_2 | https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/1/15/major-violations-of-international-law-at-tigray-refugee-camps-un | Jan 16 13:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.aljazeera.com | ‘Major violations’ of international law at Tigray refugee camps | Ethiopia News | Al Jazeera | Jan 16 13:39 | |
| schestowitz | when Twitter had been operating at a loss for a decade | Jan 16 13:39 |
| schestowitz | so Twitter let the troll carry on selling ads with threats | Jan 16 13:39 |
| vZS1_2 | >schestowitz helps Dorsey sell ads | Jan 16 13:40 |
| vZS1_2 | This is what people that use Twitler support, whether they're aware or not. | Jan 16 13:41 |
| schestowitz | By Mozilla's standards (CEO Baker) we should deplatform Dorsey and Twitter | Jan 16 13:41 |
| schestowitz | for profiting from hate and state terror | Jan 16 13:41 |
| schestowitz | but then again, Mozilla keeps digging its own grave | Jan 16 13:41 |
| schestowitz | with that super-rich idiot who uses the brand "Mozilla" (and "Firefox") like paper tissue for her political idealogy | Jan 16 13:42 |
| schestowitz | vZS1_2: Reddit may soon collapse too | Jan 16 13:42 |
| schestowitz | mass layoffs in the parent company | Jan 16 13:42 |
| schestowitz | don't help Reddit | Jan 16 13:43 |
| schestowitz | wasted effort | Jan 16 13:43 |
| schestowitz | it's the next Digg | Jan 16 13:43 |
| schestowitz | they used to compete | Jan 16 13:43 |
| schestowitz | Digg died much earlier | Jan 16 13:43 |
| vZS1_2 | >I saw the terrified reactions on the faces of friends of mine who left Iran... | Jan 16 13:43 |
| schestowitz | The Donald in Reddit helped conde nasty sell ads | Jan 16 13:43 |
| schestowitz | Reddit: "bad actors" | Jan 16 13:43 |
| schestowitz | Baker: KILL THEM ALL! | Jan 16 13:43 |
| schestowitz | (Reddit) | Jan 16 13:43 |
| schestowitz | because "Deploatforming" is not enough | Jan 16 13:44 |
| vZS1_2 | According to Twitler, things like that didn't warrant kicking Trump off the platform. | Jan 16 13:44 |
| schestowitz | Mozilla... the only way for me to still use Firefox is to dissociate the CEO from the employees | Jan 16 13:44 |
| schestowitz | like she's an inherent abberration | Jan 16 13:44 |
| schestowitz | amid this layoff atmosphere nobody among them would dare blog their disagreement with the CEO | Jan 16 13:45 |
| schestowitz | they just suck up to her, like Asa Dotzler did some months ago | Jan 16 13:45 |
| vZS1_2 | Leaks from inside Mozilla would be much appreciated | Jan 16 13:45 |
| schestowitz | today I had a shower thought: tweets as 'articles' about Trump | Jan 16 13:45 |
| schestowitz | what is the worth of such articles now | Jan 16 13:45 |
| vZS1_2 | >schestowitz what is the worth of such articles now | Jan 16 13:46 |
| schestowitz | "Trump says... [sorry, tweet cannot be found] THAT IS outrageous!" | Jan 16 13:46 |
| vZS1_2 | I think it's important to highlight the hypocrisy of Twitler | Jan 16 13:46 |
| schestowitz | it also impedes historians studying that awful presidency" | Jan 16 13:46 |
| schestowitz | unless they can legally demand Twitter hands over verifiable data (screenshots are easy to fake, hard to verify) | Jan 16 13:46 |
| vZS1_2 | Twitler could have just wiped the posts from their database. In a way, it helps Trump. People can't access the original posts. | Jan 16 13:47 |
| vZS1_2 | Trump can just claim "fake news". | Jan 16 13:47 |
| schestowitz | btw, twitler still uses Trump for profit | Jan 16 13:48 |
| schestowitz | if you were to log in | Jan 16 13:48 |
| schestowitz | watch what bait they put in trending | Jan 16 13:48 |
| schestowitz | complete with ptrovocation | Jan 16 13:48 |
| schestowitz | and images | Jan 16 13:48 |
| vZS1_2 | Your best bet is to grab posts from the trusted propaganda outlets like BBC. They must have posts with Trump tweets. | Jan 16 13:48 |
| schestowitz | "you'll never believe what happened next" type of partisan crap | Jan 16 13:48 |
| vZS1_2 | That way, if someone says TR is "fake news", they also have to say BBC is "fake news". | Jan 16 13:49 |
| MinceR | maybe archive.org and/or archive.is has some as well | Jan 16 13:49 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: some | Jan 16 13:49 |
| schestowitz | but the links are broken | Jan 16 13:49 |
| MinceR | i doubt it's a difficult mental exercise for a fascist to call BBC "fake news" | Jan 16 13:49 |
| schestowitz | for 'articles' that are just amplifying trump tweets | Jan 16 13:49 |
| schestowitz | those types of articles become scarce again | Jan 16 13:49 |
| schestowitz | as I think the publishers that did this collapse by now | Jan 16 13:50 |
| schestowitz | COVID killed such fake 'journalism' | Jan 16 13:50 |
| schestowitz | the "post tweet", respond in line, choose provocative headline, press "publish" so-called 'journalism' | Jan 16 13:50 |
| schestowitz | many culprits to that effect | Jan 16 13:50 |
| schestowitz | BBC is not even news | Jan 16 13:51 |
| schestowitz | I stopped using it even for weather | Jan 16 13:51 |
| schestowitz | and for football scores | Jan 16 13:51 |
| schestowitz | I get both in the command line now | Jan 16 13:51 |
| schestowitz | updated every minute for football and every one hour for weather forecasts | Jan 16 13:51 |
| schestowitz | the COVID sections of BBC are now ads for pfizer and bill | Jan 16 13:52 |
| schestowitz | so I stopped accessing those, too | Jan 16 13:52 |
| schestowitz | and I still have in my kitchen a threat we got from TV Licensing 2 days ago | Jan 16 13:52 |
| schestowitz | right to the recycling bin (paper) | Jan 16 13:52 |
| vZS1_2 | "There has been no comment from Ethiopian Prime Minister Abiy Ahmed and the government’s emergency task force for the Tigray crisis." | Jan 16 13:52 |
| schestowitz | was in quarantine in the kitchen... might contain postman's covid | Jan 16 13:52 |
| vZS1_2 | Our Nobel "Peace" prize winner over here. | Jan 16 13:53 |
| schestowitz | he was problematic | Jan 16 13:53 |
| schestowitz | maybe they will give to WHO's chief an award too | Jan 16 13:53 |
| schestowitz | check his political background | Jan 16 13:53 |
| schestowitz | connected to Ethiopian fascists | Jan 16 13:53 |
| schestowitz | I guess it's easier to get leverage over people with a past such as this | Jan 16 13:54 |
| schestowitz | AIDS organisation manager, December 2009 (New York Times): “Gates has created a huge blood-buying operation that only cares about money, not about people.” | Jan 16 13:54 |
| schestowitz | http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/16/science/16malaria.html?_r=1 | Jan 16 13:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Gates Foundation’s Influence Criticized - The New York Times | Jan 16 13:54 | |
| schestowitz | "Many of the world’s leading malaria scientists are now “locked up in a ‘cartel’ with their own research funding being linked to those of others within the group,” Dr. Kochi wrote. Because “each has a vested interest to safeguard the work of the others,” he wrote, getting independent reviews of research proposals “is becoming increasingly difficult.” | Jan 16 13:55 |
| schestowitz | "Also, he argued, the foundation’s determination to have its favored research used to guide the health organization’s recommendations “could have implicitly dangerous consequences on the policy-making process in world health.”" | Jan 16 13:55 |
| schestowitz | "The chief of malaria for the World Health Organization has complained that the growing dominance of malaria research by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation risks stifling a diversity of views among scientists and wiping out the world health agency’s policy-making function. | Jan 16 13:55 |
| schestowitz | "In a memorandum, the malaria chief, Dr. Arata Kochi, complained to his boss, Dr. Margaret Chan, the director general of the W.H.O., that the foundation’s money, while crucial, could have “far-reaching, largely unintended consequences.” | Jan 16 13:55 |
| schestowitz | Even back then | Jan 16 13:55 |
| schestowitz | 2008 | Jan 16 13:55 |
| schestowitz | and now we have this | Jan 16 13:55 |
| schestowitz | last night: | Jan 16 13:55 |
| schestowitz | https://www.forbes.com/sites/arielshapiro/2021/01/14/americas-biggest-owner-of-farmland-is-now-bill-gates-bezos-turner/ | Jan 16 13:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.forbes.com | America’s Biggest Owner Of Farmland Is Now Bill Gates | Jan 16 13:55 | |
| schestowitz | https://landreport.com/2021/01/bill-gates-americas-top-farmland-owner/ | Jan 16 13:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-landreport.com | Bill Gates: America's Top Farmland Owner | The Land Report | Jan 16 13:56 | |
| schestowitz | maybe media not bribed by this thug will catch up fast enough | Jan 16 13:56 |
| schestowitz | the public certainly does | Jan 16 13:56 |
| schestowitz | and it's impossible to bribe every single publisher | Jan 16 13:56 |
| schestowitz | does not scale | Jan 16 13:56 |
| vZS1_2 | I still have well-meaning people who believe Gates is an altruist | Jan 16 13:56 |
| vZS1_2 | s/have/know/ | Jan 16 13:56 |
| schestowitz | we can mock them | Jan 16 13:57 |
| schestowitz | they're dumb | Jan 16 13:57 |
| schestowitz | and they help oppressors | Jan 16 13:57 |
| schestowitz | that can turn around within mere months | Jan 16 13:57 |
| schestowitz | can take longer fi they reach BBC | Jan 16 13:57 |
| schestowitz | or if they watch it... shudders | Jan 16 13:57 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/06/14/bbc-in-2020/ | Jan 16 13:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | BBC Turned From Public Broadcaster Into Bill Gates-Funded Propaganda Machine and… a Crank/Troll-Feeding Machine | Techrights | Jan 16 13:57 | |
| vZS1_2 | My entire family watches the propaganda box. | Jan 16 13:58 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2011/05/29/gates-gives-bbc-money/ | Jan 16 13:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | BBC Bribed by Bill Gates | Techrights | Jan 16 13:58 | |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2012/03/07/bbc-gates/ | Jan 16 13:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bill Gates Pays the BBC, Gets Coverage From the BBC | Techrights | Jan 16 13:58 | |
| schestowitz | this is not a new issue | Jan 16 13:58 |
| techrights-bot | Reading about mindless buzzwords and hype https://opensource.com/article/21/1/devops-books | Jan 16 13:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-4 DevOps books to read this year | Opensource.com | Jan 16 13:59 | |
| schestowitz | Linux Journal now posts spam | Jan 16 13:59 |
| schestowitz | https://www.linuxjournal.com/users/zachary-renz | Jan 16 13:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxjournal.com | Zachary Renz | Linux Journal | Jan 16 13:59 | |
| schestowitz | never heard of him | Jan 16 13:59 |
| schestowitz | one piece | Jan 16 13:59 |
| schestowitz | an ad | Jan 16 13:59 |
| vZS1_2 | I've been looking for some local sources in the Tigray region to give reports of what's actually going on there | Jan 16 14:00 |
| vZS1_2 | There's a media and technology blackout in the region | Jan 16 14:01 |
| techrights-bot | "Pushing, and then leaving alone in the driver seats, “STEM” guys who never received from school any decent clue about ethics, or the main basic lessons that everybody should learn from history and philosophy, is a major cause of the current state of things, in the US and elsewhere." https://stop.zona-m.net/2021/01/phd-level-education-a-hamster-wheel-mounted-facing-the-wrong-way/ | Jan 16 14:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stop.zona-m.net | PhD-level education: a hamster wheel, mounted facing the wrong way | Stop at Zona-M | Jan 16 14:01 | |
| techrights-bot | Reading about mindless buzzwords and hype https://opensource.com/article/21/1/devops-books | Jan 16 14:01 |
| schestowitz | vZS1_2: I saw many reports | Jan 16 14:03 |
| schestowitz | but not in western msm | Jan 16 14:03 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/index.php?s=Tigray | Jan 16 14:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Tigray | Techrights | Jan 16 14:03 | |
| schestowitz | 14 results, posts (Daily Links) | Jan 16 14:04 |
| vZS1_2 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_and_surveillance_in_Africa | Jan 16 14:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Internet censorship and surveillance in Africa - Wikipedia | Jan 16 14:05 | |
| vZS1_2 | Ethiopia one of the worst offenders | Jan 16 14:05 |
| techrights-bot | ’MEA’ is just three letters. http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/01/general-court-says-that-almea-and-mea.html #trademark #law at #euipo which is itself violating the law. See http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EUIPO | Jan 16 14:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | General Court says that ‘ALMEA’ and ’MEA’ are confusingly similar - The IPKat | Jan 16 14:05 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EUIPO - Techrights | Jan 16 14:05 | |
| DVulgaris | Actually, what's worse about STEM is that university faculty members reinforce and rehash that attitude by acting unethically themselves for the most part | Jan 16 14:07 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2019/07/04/epo-budget-for-media/ | Jan 16 14:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Ethiopian Media Gamed by EPO Management, Just Like European Media | Techrights | Jan 16 14:07 | |
| schestowitz | Ethiopia is very corrupt | Jan 16 14:07 |
| DVulgaris | Not news | Jan 16 14:07 |
| DVulgaris | Sadly | Jan 16 14:07 |
| schestowitz | Eritrea is also notorious fro attacks on the press | Jan 16 14:07 |
| DVulgaris | Most of Africa is under deep corruption | Jan 16 14:07 |
| techrights-bot | The corporate takeover (taking over the Commons, produced by volunteers who are motivated by altruism) is a subject we must speak about and somehow tackle; this series will highlight uncomfortable or difficult truths http://techrights.org/2021/01/16/freesw-difficult-truths/ | Jan 16 14:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Suppressed Facts of the Free Software Movement and Its Community of Volunteers – Part I: We Are Under Attack by Corporations and Their Salaried Facilitators | Techrights | Jan 16 14:08 | |
| schestowitz | DVulgaris: not just Africa | Jan 16 14:08 |
| schestowitz | we love shaming them more | Jan 16 14:08 |
| DVulgaris | Oh yeah | Jan 16 14:08 |
| DVulgaris | I know | Jan 16 14:08 |
| schestowitz | but they're probably less fortunate | Jan 16 14:08 |
| DVulgaris | Exactly | Jan 16 14:08 |
| schestowitz | because corruption there leads to hunger | Jan 16 14:08 |
| schestowitz | here it leads to less severe conditions | Jan 16 14:08 |
| schestowitz | like genocide in Darfur | Jan 16 14:09 |
| DVulgaris | I mean, the West's corruption is just more hidden | Jan 16 14:09 |
| schestowitz | less so if we have wikileaks | Jan 16 14:09 |
| schestowitz | which is why they shame and make an example of it | Jan 16 14:09 |
| DVulgaris | I personally live in one of the most corrupt western countries (won't name for privacy reasons) | Jan 16 14:09 |
| schestowitz | to many people cablegate was an eye openers re 'hegemony' | Jan 16 14:09 |
| DVulgaris | Yep, especially that wikileaks shamed "the american empire" | Jan 16 14:10 |
| schestowitz | 'shames' | Jan 16 14:10 |
| schestowitz | HOW DARE!! | Jan 16 14:10 |
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| DVulgaris | It's like nam' all over again | Jan 16 14:10 |
| schestowitz | nam | Jan 16 14:10 |
| schestowitz | 'jap' | Jan 16 14:10 |
| schestowitz | veitnam | Jan 16 14:10 |
| schestowitz | japan | Jan 16 14:10 |
| schestowitz | the US lied about the nukes | Jan 16 14:10 |
| schestowitz | as was explained in the anniversary | Jan 16 14:10 |
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| DVulgaris | Mind you | Jan 16 14:11 |
| schestowitz | until people brought the stories of what happened on the ground | Jan 16 14:11 |
| schestowitz | in both | Jan 16 14:11 |
| schestowitz | not the myths | Jan 16 14:11 |
| DVulgaris | They are still telling lies about nukes | Jan 16 14:11 |
| schestowitz | photos, stories | Jan 16 14:11 |
| schestowitz | empathy is easier when there are no faces | Jan 16 14:11 |
| DVulgaris | But this time it is NK (which might not totally be a lie) and iran | Jan 16 14:11 |
| DVulgaris | schestowitz: exactly | Jan 16 14:11 |
| schestowitz | I forgot the details about Japanese revisionism | Jan 16 14:12 |
| schestowitz | and who exposed this to the American public | Jan 16 14:12 |
| schestowitz | but it was in the news some months back | Jan 16 14:12 |
| schestowitz | 75th anniversary | Jan 16 14:12 |
| schestowitz | I can find time | Jan 16 14:12 |
| schestowitz | https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/02/14/dresden-february-1945/ | Jan 16 14:13 |
| schestowitz | https://truthout.org/articles/auschwitz-survivors-dont-want-their-past-to-be-their-grandchildrens-future/ | Jan 16 14:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Dresden, February 1945 - CounterPunch.org | Jan 16 14:13 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Auschwitz Survivors Don’t Want Their Past to Be Their Grandchildren’s Future | Jan 16 14:13 | |
| schestowitz | http://johnpilger.com/articles/another-hiroshima-is-coming-unless-we-stop-it-now | Jan 16 14:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-johnpilger.com | ANOTHER HIROSHIMA IS COMING… UNLESS WE STOP IT NOW | Jan 16 14:13 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.dw.com/en/dresden-marks-wwii-bombing-in-far-right-stronghold/a-52368359 | Jan 16 14:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Dresden marks WWII bombing in far-right stronghold | Germany| News and in-depth reporting from Berlin and beyond | DW | 13.02.2020 | Jan 16 14:14 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.commondreams.org/views/2020/08/06/life-under-bomb-means-life-resistance | Jan 16 14:14 |
| schestowitz | https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/08/06/reverse-the-new-nuclear-arms-race/ | Jan 16 14:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | Life Under the Bomb Means a Life of Resistance | Jan 16 14:14 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Reverse the New Nuclear Arms Race - CounterPunch.org | Jan 16 14:14 | |
| schestowitz | "This 75th anniversary of Hiroshima should not just be an interesting historical marker; it should be a turning point, when the U.S. renounces its nuclear legacy, and charts a new course for itself and humanity" | Jan 16 14:14 |
| schestowitz | https://truthout.org/video/on-75th-anniversary-hiroshima-survivor-warns-against-nuclear-weapons/ | Jan 16 14:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | On 75th Anniversary, Hiroshima Survivor Warns Against Nuclear Weapons | Jan 16 14:14 | |
| schestowitz | "On the 75th anniversary of when the United States dropped the world’s first atomic bomb on the Japanese city of Hiroshima, killing some 140,000 people, we speak with Hideko Tamura Snider, who was 10 years old when she survived the attack. “The shaking was so huge,” she recalls. “I remember the sensation, the color and the smell like yesterday.” Tamura Snider describes her harrowing journey through a shattered city, suffering | Jan 16 14:15 |
| techrights-ipfs | ▕ IPFS downstream, 45 mins: ▇▆▅▆▅▇▃▅▆▆▅▃▄▃▆▇▅▆▆▆▅▄▅▅▃▅▇▅▆▇▆▆▆▅▅▅▇▅▆▆▅▅▅▆▃▇▅▅▆▇▆▄ ▕ IPFS upstream: ▃▃▂▄▅▃▄▃▄▃▂▄▂▃▄▂▂▃▂▃▃▂▃▃▃▄▃▄▁▂▂▄▂▄▄▂▃▃▄▂▃▄▂▃▃▃▄▂▃▂▃▄▃▃▃▃▂ ⟲ | Jan 16 14:15 |
| schestowitz | radiation sickness following the attack, and her message to President Trump." | Jan 16 14:15 |
| schestowitz | https://www.democracynow.org/2020/8/6/hideko_tamura_snider_hiroshima_75th_anniversary | Jan 16 14:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.democracynow.org | “The Beginning of Our End”: On 75th Anniversary, Hiroshima Survivor Warns Against Nuclear Weapons | Democracy Now! | Jan 16 14:15 | |
| schestowitz | Aha, found it: https://www.democracynow.org/2020/8/6/greg_mitchell_atomic_bomb_hollywood | Jan 16 14:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.democracynow.org | Revealed: How U.S. Gov’t & Hollywood Secretly Worked Together to Justify Atomic Bombings of Japan | Democracy Now! | Jan 16 14:15 | |
| schestowitz | that last one is the one ref I looked for | Jan 16 14:15 |
| schestowitz | the rest are loosely related | Jan 16 14:15 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: https://www.cyberciti.biz/atom/updated.xml alpine on top now: https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/how-to-upgrade-alpine-linux-3-4-to-3-5-xx/ | Jan 16 14:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cyberciti.biz | How to upgrade Alpine Linux 3.12 to 3.13 - nixCraft | Jan 16 14:17 | |
| schestowitz | vZS1_2: spoke to BT this morning | Jan 16 14:20 |
| schestowitz | they said the manager (Executive Team) and others are still on the case | Jan 16 14:20 |
| schestowitz | and posted updates as recently as last night | Jan 16 14:20 |
| schestowitz | multiple people | Jan 16 14:20 |
| schestowitz | so it's considered an ongoing investigation still | Jan 16 14:20 |
| vZS1_2 | Sounds like they have a "black box" case. lol | Jan 16 14:21 |
| schestowitz | by offering compensation (which I did not even ask for!) they also acknowledge the problem is at their end | Jan 16 14:21 |
| schestowitz | vZS1_2: the way I understand it | Jan 16 14:21 |
| schestowitz | spoke to the eng from the other room (distancing) | Jan 16 14:21 |
| schestowitz | they have 30-unit blocks | Jan 16 14:21 |
| schestowitz | for houses | Jan 16 14:21 |
| schestowitz | and that gets shaped by algorithms | Jan 16 14:21 |
| schestowitz | like time sharing by training on the data for 3-7 days | Jan 16 14:22 |
| schestowitz | they reset those settings | Jan 16 14:22 |
| schestowitz | and now monitor how the round robin operates | Jan 16 14:22 |
| schestowitz | I use lots of real-time stuff like ssh, but not heavy on b/w | Jan 16 14:22 |
| schestowitz | I don't need high throughput, just low latency and uptime | Jan 16 14:23 |
| schestowitz | but when uploading 1 MB takes 5 minutes, it's not acceptable imho | Jan 16 14:23 |
| schestowitz | and they agree | Jan 16 14:23 |
| schestowitz | OK, maybe 1MB in two minutes | Jan 16 14:23 |
| vZS1_2 | https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/1/14/irresponsible-bangladesh-slams-pompeos-al-qaeda-attacks-claim | Jan 16 14:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.aljazeera.com | ‘Irresponsible’: Bangladesh slams Pompeo’s al-Qaeda attacks claim | Al-Qaeda News | Al Jazeera | Jan 16 14:23 | |
| schestowitz | still very bad | Jan 16 14:23 |
| schestowitz | vZS1_2: rogue state | Jan 16 14:23 |
| schestowitz | (US) | Jan 16 14:23 |
| schestowitz | the plaster themselves all over the definition of their term | Jan 16 14:23 |
| schestowitz | soon we might have "axis of evil" | Jan 16 14:24 |
| schestowitz | Mo Bin Salami, Bibi, and Biden | Jan 16 14:24 |
| techrights-bot | #ArcoLinux 21.03.1 is out. https://arcolinux.info/ #gnu #linux #belgium | Jan 16 14:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ArcoLinux.info | Linux Made Easy and Beautiful | Jan 16 14:26 | |
| *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-171-38.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights | Jan 16 14:26 | |
| *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-171-38.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights | Jan 16 14:27 | |
| techrights-bot | "My timeline recently would show that I've been trying to keep up to speed with developments in the attack on the United States Capitol earlier this month" #socialconrolmedia A BAD source of 'news'... http://coyote.works//posts/MouseTrap20210115/ | Jan 16 14:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-coyote.works | Things Are Changing Fast | Jan 16 14:27 | |
| vZS1_2 | https://sputnikvaccine.com/newsroom/pressreleases/sputnik-v-vaccine-approved-in-paraguay/ | Jan 16 14:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sputnikvaccine.com | Sputnik V vaccine approved in Paraguay | Official website vaccine against COVID-19 Sputnik V. | Jan 16 14:28 | |
| vZS1_2 | Looks like South America is going for the Russian vaccine | Jan 16 14:28 |
| techrights-bot | Donald #trump has long been the "TROLL" in #socialconTROLLMedia and Jack Dorsey profited a lot from this troll. According to #mozilla CEO Baker, we should deplotform @jack too for profiting off hate... | Jan 16 14:29 |
| techrights-bot | #billgates the robber baron won't profit from this one https://sputnikvaccine.com/newsroom/pressreleases/sputnik-v-vaccine-approved-in-paraguay/ see https://www.thenation.com/article/economy/bill-gates-investments-covid/ | Jan 16 14:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenation.com | While the Poor Get Sick, Bill Gates Just Gets Richer | The Nation | Jan 16 14:30 | |
| vZS1_2 | "he Sputnik V vaccine has been approved in Russia, Belarus, Serbia, Argentina, Bolivia, Algeria, Palestine and Venezuela; the process to approve the vaccine in the EU has been initiated." | Jan 16 14:30 |
| vZS1_2 | I like how Palestine is actually recognised there. | Jan 16 14:31 |
| schestowitz | maybe that's why Twitter suepended them | Jan 16 14:31 |
| schestowitz | ICYMI: https://meduza.io/en/news/2021/01/14/twitter-temporarily-restricts-account-for-russian-coronavirus-vaccine-sputnik-v | Jan 16 14:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE | Jan 16 14:32 | |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 16 14:32 |
| vZS1_2 | Oh | Jan 16 14:32 |
| vZS1_2 | Great | Jan 16 14:32 |
| schestowitz | yup | Jan 16 14:34 |
| schestowitz | social conTROLL media | Jan 16 14:34 |
| schestowitz | what you do not know does not exist | Jan 16 14:34 |
| schestowitz | just "vaccine" | Jan 16 14:34 |
| schestowitz | =oxford/moderna/others | Jan 16 14:34 |
| schestowitz | Russia is 'fake' | Jan 16 14:34 |
| schestowitz | 'fake news' | Jan 16 14:34 |
| schestowitz | 'fake vaccine' | Jan 16 14:34 |
| DVulgaris | Well | Jan 16 14:34 |
| kingoffrance | re: stem, corporate takeover, ethics http://dict.org/bin/Dict?Form=Dict2&Database=gcide&Query=lawful Lawful means conformable to the principle, spirit, or essence of the law, and is applicable to moral as well as juridical law. Legal means conformable to the letter or rules of the law as it is administered in the courts; conformable to juridical law. guess what | Jan 16 14:34 |
| DVulgaris | TBH | Jan 16 14:34 |
| kingoffrance | type of entity corporations are? legal. they dont do "moral" law; they do the dead letter of the law, spirit be damned | Jan 16 14:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dict.org- lawful | Jan 16 14:34 | |
| DVulgaris | The russian vaccine doesn't have enough proper research behind it | Jan 16 14:35 |
| kingoffrance | that distinction is pretty dead nowadays (quote is from websters 1913) | Jan 16 14:35 |
| schestowitz | unlike? | Jan 16 14:35 |
| DVulgaris | Not that I don't have my gripes with modern'a and pfizer's vaccines | Jan 16 14:35 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Jan 16 14:35 |
| kingoffrance | how many ppl of any age are taught that distinction? | Jan 16 14:35 |
| DVulgaris | But at least they had proper three-stage trials | Jan 16 14:35 |
| schestowitz | I always put them at equal footing | Jan 16 14:35 |
| schestowitz | I say, | Jan 16 14:35 |
| schestowitz | Russia's vaccine | Jan 16 14:35 |
| schestowitz | crap claims | Jan 16 14:35 |
| DVulgaris | It's not the same | Jan 16 14:35 |
| schestowitz | same for USian ones | Jan 16 14:36 |
| schestowitz | waiting for godot/evidence | Jan 16 14:36 |
| DVulgaris | Russia's vaccine isn't properly proven | Jan 16 14:36 |
| schestowitz | the media cannot pretend only one is fake | Jan 16 14:36 |
| schestowitz | or baseless for now | Jan 16 14:36 |
| schestowitz | but the media isn't journalism | Jan 16 14:36 |
| DVulgaris | Moderna's vaccine has 94.5% efficacy | Jan 16 14:36 |
| schestowitz | it's PR | Jan 16 14:36 |
| DVulgaris | And Pfizer's is at 95% | Jan 16 14:36 |
| schestowitz | marketign | Jan 16 14:36 |
| schestowitz | DVulgaris: based on Moderna | Jan 16 14:36 |
| schestowitz | Based on Pfizer | Jan 16 14:36 |
| DVulgaris | It's peer-reviewed research | Jan 16 14:36 |
| schestowitz | and [citation needed] | Jan 16 14:36 |
| schestowitz | funded by? | Jan 16 14:36 |
| DVulgaris | I mean | Jan 16 14:36 |
| schestowitz | I saw them bribing at the univrsity | Jan 16 14:36 |
| DVulgaris | Look at the statistics in israel | Jan 16 14:37 |
| schestowitz | and no public data | Jan 16 14:37 |
| schestowitz | like ages, sizes | Jan 16 14:37 |
| schestowitz | evidence still needed | Jan 16 14:37 |
| schestowitz | they are in no rush tro produce any | Jan 16 14:37 |
| schestowitz | easier to bribes the media and rally barons | Jan 16 14:37 |
| schestowitz | to appease the "plebs" | Jan 16 14:37 |
| schestowitz | the "vaccine" is here | Jan 16 14:37 |
| schestowitz | "things will be back to normal soon" | Jan 16 14:37 |
| DVulgaris | Most of the elderly population has been already vaccinated and they're not filling ERs anymore | Jan 16 14:37 |
| vZS1_2 | There's far more transparency around the Sputnik V trials. And they don't hide the fact that these are trials. | Jan 16 14:37 |
| schestowitz | BoJo: "normality by xmas | Jan 16 14:37 |
| schestowitz | which xmas? | Jan 16 14:37 |
| schestowitz | not 2020, that's for sure | Jan 16 14:37 |
| DVulgaris | I'm not gonna argue on this | Jan 16 14:38 |
| schestowitz | [14:37] <DVulgaris> Most of the elderly population has been already vaccinated and they're not filling ERs anymore | Jan 16 14:38 |
| DVulgaris | Because you're not making sense | Jan 16 14:38 |
| schestowitz | False in the UK | Jan 16 14:38 |
| schestowitz | first doze of the stuff in 3.3m people | Jan 16 14:38 |
| schestowitz | and still record numbers | Jan 16 14:38 |
| DVulgaris | I meant in israel | Jan 16 14:38 |
| schestowitz | deaths, cases, hospitalisations | Jan 16 14:38 |
| DVulgaris | To be specific | Jan 16 14:38 |
| DVulgaris | It's currently the only place with high vaccination rates | Jan 16 14:38 |
| schestowitz | Israel never reported many deaths | Jan 16 14:39 |
| schestowitz | maybe by falsifying | Jan 16 14:39 |
| DVulgaris | Oh come on | Jan 16 14:39 |
| schestowitz | 10k or so new cases recently, per day | Jan 16 14:39 |
| schestowitz | for less than 10 million pop. | Jan 16 14:39 |
| DVulgaris | They'd deny other stuff, not this | Jan 16 14:39 |
| schestowitz | that's like 80,000 cases per day in UK | Jan 16 14:39 |
| DVulgaris | That's because the general population still isn't vaccinated | Jan 16 14:39 |
| schestowitz | so the vaccines are not slowing things down | Jan 16 14:39 |
| DVulgaris | And the "lockdowns" weren't tight | Jan 16 14:39 |
| schestowitz | DVulgaris: they can always blame "old people" dying of age | Jan 16 14:40 |
| schestowitz | or say "real soon now" | Jan 16 14:40 |
| DVulgaris | The vaccines are lowering the mortality rates | Jan 16 14:40 |
| schestowitz | "wait for dose 2" | Jan 16 14:40 |
| schestowitz | which some say is worse than the first | Jan 16 14:40 |
| DVulgaris | Mainly because the elderly are the most affected | Jan 16 14:40 |
| schestowitz | that's vapiurware | Jan 16 14:40 |
| schestowitz | and they keep invoicing for more orders | Jan 16 14:40 |
| schestowitz | pay more | Jan 16 14:40 |
| DVulgaris | Nevermind | Jan 16 14:40 |
| schestowitz | for version x+1 | Jan 16 14:40 |
| schestowitz | "will fix everything!" | Jan 16 14:40 |
| DVulgaris | I won't argue with a science denier | Jan 16 14:40 |
| schestowitz | I'm not a science denier | Jan 16 14:40 |
| schestowitz | the opposite | Jan 16 14:40 |
| schestowitz | I question marketing | Jan 16 14:40 |
| schestowitz | and ask to see the science | Jan 16 14:41 |
| schestowitz | which we lack | Jan 16 14:41 |
| schestowitz | WHO lacks it | Jan 16 14:41 |
| schestowitz | the journalists (so-called) cite none | Jan 16 14:41 |
| vZS1_2 | So we get another Pfizer and Moderna lackey here. Good to know. | Jan 16 14:41 |
| schestowitz | they do "happy sftories" about some happy grandmas | Jan 16 14:41 |
| DVulgaris | Look at the research being published in journals | Jan 16 14:41 |
| schestowitz | anecdotal stuff | Jan 16 14:41 |
| DVulgaris | Such as NJEM | Jan 16 14:41 |
| DVulgaris | Or Nature | Jan 16 14:41 |
| schestowitz | I saw some papers | Jan 16 14:41 |
| DVulgaris | This is the stuff I'm talking about | Jan 16 14:41 |
| schestowitz | and they question the claims | Jan 16 14:41 |
| schestowitz | bmj had some | Jan 16 14:42 |
| schestowitz | cite it | Jan 16 14:42 |
| schestowitz | Nature | Jan 16 14:42 |
| schestowitz | there are also rogue elements at play, e.g. http://techrights.org/2011/01/10/lancet-gates-exxon-mobil/ | Jan 16 14:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Gates Foundation Pays the Lancet Journal — Now Distorts Academic Literature Too | Techrights | Jan 16 14:43 | |
| schestowitz | after they said the truth http://techrights.org/2010/09/07/simon-chapman-on-gates-slim/ | Jan 16 14:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | World’s Leading Medical Journal (The Lancet) Slams Bill Gates for Supporting Tobacco Industry | Techrights | Jan 16 14:43 | |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2011/01/11/lancet-fundacion-gates/ | Jan 16 14:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | ES: Fundación Gates Paga a The Lancet Jornal- Ahora Distorsiona la Literatura Académica Demasiado | Techrights | Jan 16 14:44 | |
| schestowitz | DVulgaris: since you mentioned Israel | Jan 16 14:44 |
| schestowitz | more people die there than become, in spite of lockdowns | Jan 16 14:44 |
| schestowitz | and you cite the vaccine | Jan 16 14:44 |
| schestowitz | without any evidence of it working | Jan 16 14:44 |
| vZS1_2 | The Sputnik V trials have been the only transparent trials right from the start | Jan 16 14:44 |
| vZS1_2 | https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04437875?term=Gamaleya&draw=2 | Jan 16 14:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-An Open Study of the Safety, Tolerability and Immunogenicity of "Gam-COVID-Vac Lyo" Vaccine Against COVID-19 - Full Text View - ClinicalTrials.gov | Jan 16 14:45 | |
| schestowitz | just some PR stunt from the Crime Minister getting a jab | Jan 16 14:45 |
| schestowitz | on TV | Jan 16 14:45 |
| vZS1_2 | https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04436471?term=Gamaleya&draw=2 | Jan 16 14:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-An Open Study of the Safety, Tolerability and Immunogenicity of the Drug "Gam-COVID-Vac" Vaccine Against COVID-19 - Full Text View - ClinicalTrials.gov | Jan 16 14:45 | |
| vZS1_2 | https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04530396?term=Gam-COVID-Vac&draw=2 | Jan 16 14:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Clinical Trial of Efficacy, Safety, and Immunogenicity of Gam-COVID-Vac Vaccine Against COVID-19 - Full Text View - ClinicalTrials.gov | Jan 16 14:45 | |
| schestowitz | anyway, I'm back to RealWork(r) | Jan 16 14:45 |
| vZS1_2 | These are all from the U.S. National Library of Medicine | Jan 16 14:47 |
| vZS1_2 | Not some "NATURE" propaganda | Jan 16 14:47 |
| vZS1_2 | NATURE are already known to be a bunch of shills | Jan 16 14:47 |
| schestowitz | not a single link from DVulgaris yet | Jan 16 14:47 |
| schestowitz | an article | Jan 16 14:47 |
| vZS1_2 | Yeah because it's a lackey | Jan 16 14:47 |
| schestowitz | just name-dropping the best known journal | Jan 16 14:47 |
| schestowitz | which afaik is not corrupted yet (Nature) | Jan 16 14:47 |
| schestowitz | links on Nature | Jan 16 14:48 |
| schestowitz | maybe I missed it | Jan 16 14:48 |
| DVulgaris | Moderna even released DART data | Jan 16 14:48 |
| vZS1_2 | No links | Jan 16 14:48 |
| schestowitz | Lencet was corrupted | Jan 16 14:48 |
| schestowitz | and people complaijned | Jan 16 14:48 |
| schestowitz | vZS1_2: would be helpful to have any | Jan 16 14:48 |
| schestowitz | a friend of mine publishes there | Jan 16 14:48 |
| schestowitz | and has a high opinion of it | Jan 16 14:48 |
| schestowitz | high factor/index too if you get published there | Jan 16 14:48 |
| schestowitz | someone sent me this one 2 days ago https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-79310-1 | Jan 16 14:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nature.com | Facial recognition technology can expose political orientation from naturalistic facial images | Scientific Reports | Jan 16 14:49 | |
| schestowitz | seems like they promote bad things | Jan 16 14:49 |
| schestowitz | yeah, well... | Jan 16 14:49 |
| DVulgaris | There you go | Jan 16 14:49 |
| schestowitz | td;dr | Jan 16 14:49 |
| DVulgaris | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MRNA-1273#cite_note-:0-49 | Jan 16 14:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | mRNA-1273 - Wikipedia | Jan 16 14:49 | |
| schestowitz | you can guess based on image the race | Jan 16 14:49 |
| schestowitz | and race correlates with politics | Jan 16 14:49 |
| DVulgaris | Specifically: | Jan 16 14:49 |
| DVulgaris | https://www.fda.gov/media/144434/download | Jan 16 14:49 |
| DVulgaris | I mean the whole article is full of citations | Jan 16 14:50 |
| schestowitz | https://covid-vaccine.canada.ca/moderna-covid-19-vaccine/product-details | Jan 16 14:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-covid-vaccine.canada.ca | Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine (mRNA-1273 SARS-CoV-2) | COVID-19 vaccines and treatments portal | Jan 16 14:50 | |
| DVulgaris | Again, I can't be bothered to deal with science-deniers | Jan 16 14:50 |
| schestowitz | Product description | Jan 16 14:50 |
| schestowitz | Am I looking at the right citattion? | Jan 16 14:50 |
| schestowitz | mind you, at FDA some people vetoed it | Jan 16 14:51 |
| schestowitz | not sure how many, but not a few | Jan 16 14:51 |
| schestowitz | lacking evidence | Jan 16 14:51 |
| schestowitz | and this is a trump fda | Jan 16 14:51 |
| schestowitz | which weeks prior loosened its standards | Jan 16 14:51 |
| schestowitz | while trump tried to grab a german company for its paTENTS | Jan 16 14:51 |
| schestowitz | this is still well documented in the press | Jan 16 14:51 |
| DVulgaris | Fine, but that doesn't preclude the peer-review | Jan 16 14:51 |
| schestowitz | [14:50] <DVulgaris> Again, I can't be bothered to deal with science-deniers \ | Jan 16 14:51 |
| DVulgaris | When they published in NJEM | Jan 16 14:51 |
| schestowitz | Someone says he comes from the most corrupt country | Jan 16 14:52 |
| schestowitz | with fake name | Jan 16 14:52 |
| schestowitz | no creential | Jan 16 14:52 |
| schestowitz | NO history in this IRC channel | Jan 16 14:52 |
| vZS1_2 | >DVulgaris Again, I can't be bothered to deal with science-deniers | Jan 16 14:52 |
| schestowitz | and calls me science-denier | Jan 16 14:52 |
| vZS1_2 | Nice try, troll. | Jan 16 14:52 |
| vZS1_2 | Call us all science deniers | Jan 16 14:52 |
| schestowitz | so go screw yourself with those rhetorics | Jan 16 14:52 |
| DVulgaris | jeez | Jan 16 14:52 |
| DVulgaris | Take it easy | Jan 16 14:52 |
| vZS1_2 | People who get vaccinated every year are clearly "science deniers" | Jan 16 14:53 |
| vZS1_2 | *claps* | Jan 16 14:53 |
| DVulgaris | It's just a discussion about vaccines | Jan 16 14:53 |
| schestowitz | I got many vaccination, next you'll say "antivaxxer" | Jan 16 14:53 |
| DVulgaris | I didn't say that | Jan 16 14:53 |
| schestowitz | You give me links to a products page | Jan 16 14:53 |
| schestowitz | afaict | Jan 16 14:53 |
| schestowitz | we cite papers | Jan 16 14:53 |
| vZS1_2 | You already called us "science deniers" | Jan 16 14:53 |
| vZS1_2 | That amounts to anti-vax | Jan 16 14:53 |
| schestowitz | and we are the "Science-deniers"? | Jan 16 14:53 |
| vZS1_2 | Because vaccines are science | Jan 16 14:53 |
| vZS1_2 | We both take our vaccines and encourage everyone to do so | Jan 16 14:54 |
| vZS1_2 | Real, tested, vaccines | Jan 16 14:54 |
| DVulgaris | There you go: https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/peer-reviewed-report-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-publishes | Jan 16 14:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nih.gov | Peer-reviewed report on Moderna COVID-19 vaccine publishes | National Institutes of Health (NIH) | Jan 16 14:54 | |
| schestowitz | [14:54] [Whois] DVulgaris is a user on channels: #techrights | Jan 16 14:55 |
| schestowitz | new user | Jan 16 14:55 |
| schestowitz | only one channel | Jan 16 14:55 |
| DVulgaris | Here's the njem link: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2022483 | Jan 16 14:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nejm.org | NO TITLE | Jan 16 14:55 | |
| schestowitz | no history in this channel | Jan 16 14:55 |
| schestowitz | name-calling | Jan 16 14:55 |
| schestowitz | shilling products | Jan 16 14:55 |
| DVulgaris | I'm new yh | Jan 16 14:55 |
| DVulgaris | But trust me | Jan 16 14:55 |
| MinceR | they could be on other channels, if those are +s or +p | Jan 16 14:55 |
| DVulgaris | I'm no shill | Jan 16 14:55 |
| schestowitz | what is one supposed rto deduce? | Jan 16 14:55 |
| MinceR | iirc | Jan 16 14:55 |
| DVulgaris | Also, mind you, you can find me in these channels: | Jan 16 14:55 |
| vZS1_2 | Right now all we have are TRIALS | Jan 16 14:56 |
| vZS1_2 | For every vaccine | Jan 16 14:56 |
| DVulgaris | #sway #retroboot #libreboot #openwrt (among others) | Jan 16 14:56 |
| vZS1_2 | The reports don't come out until about the middle of this year | Jan 16 14:56 |
| DVulgaris | Well, no shit | Jan 16 14:56 |
| DVulgaris | It's all been rushed | Jan 16 14:56 |
| DVulgaris | Cramming a decade into less than a year | Jan 16 14:56 |
| vZS1_2 | Twitler has censored Sputnik V | Jan 16 14:57 |
| DVulgaris | That's a serious issue | Jan 16 14:57 |
| DVulgaris | Even if I personally have some doubts about Sputnik V | Jan 16 14:57 |
| schestowitz | [14:56] <DVulgaris> Cramming a decade into less than a year | Jan 16 14:57 |
| DVulgaris | Just as censoring of Parler is damn scary | Jan 16 14:57 |
| schestowitz | so scepticism is warranted | Jan 16 14:57 |
| DVulgaris | Oh, I agree | Jan 16 14:58 |
| DVulgaris | But again | Jan 16 14:58 |
| schestowitz | [14:57] <DVulgaris> Even if I personally have some doubts about Sputnik Vs | Jan 16 14:58 |
| schestowitz | so do I | Jan 16 14:58 |
| schestowitz | and I mocked that too | Jan 16 14:58 |
| vZS1_2 | We have doubts about all the vaccines | Jan 16 14:58 |
| vZS1_2 | Because the trials aren't over | Jan 16 14:58 |
| schestowitz | vaccination is also in general the best hope in some sense | Jan 16 14:58 |
| schestowitz | but is sort of too late | Jan 16 14:58 |
| DVulgaris | I personally think if it has not shown adverse effects so far - it's not worrying | Jan 16 14:58 |
| DVulgaris | Also | Jan 16 14:58 |
| schestowitz | like "contact tracing" | Jan 16 14:58 |
| DVulgaris | Mind you | Jan 16 14:58 |
| schestowitz | due to many cases already 'out there' | Jan 16 14:58 |
| vZS1_2 | We are saying that Sputnik V is being treated unfairly. | Jan 16 14:58 |
| vZS1_2 | Re: Twitter banning Sputnik V | Jan 16 14:58 |
| schestowitz | and vaccine rollouts being too slow, with so-called 'vaccines' which we lack good data on | Jan 16 14:58 |
| schestowitz | esp. longterm | Jan 16 14:58 |
| DVulgaris | The mrna vaccines are "shitty" in that they won't probably give long-term immunity | Jan 16 14:59 |
| schestowitz | [14:58] <DVulgaris> I personally think if it has not shown adverse effects so far - it's not worrying | Jan 16 14:59 |
| schestowitz | Sputvik-V? | Jan 16 14:59 |
| schestowitz | Oxford shows side effect | Jan 16 14:59 |
| schestowitz | canned their experiment | Jan 16 14:59 |
| schestowitz | (clinical trials around South Africa) | Jan 16 14:59 |
| DVulgaris | That was predicted | Jan 16 14:59 |
| MinceR | wasn't it said that even actual infection only gives less than a year of immunity? | Jan 16 14:59 |
| DVulgaris | Very predicted | Jan 16 14:59 |
| schestowitz | Moderna/Viagra warned about allergies | Jan 16 14:59 |
| DVulgaris | Happened with every weakened/live virus SARS vaccine before | Jan 16 15:00 |
| schestowitz | without specifying enough as to why | Jan 16 15:00 |
| DVulgaris | That's why we didn't have any | Jan 16 15:00 |
| schestowitz | Oxford/AZ only secretly told shareholders what had happened | Jan 16 15:00 |
| schestowitz | hid it from the public | Jan 16 15:00 |
| DVulgaris | I mean, the stronger the response - the stronger the immunity | Jan 16 15:00 |
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| schestowitz | and now roll out again, want us to trust them despite this incident and secrecy | Jan 16 15:00 |
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| DVulgaris | And anyone that knows anything about vacicnes and SARS viruses would have predicted that with the oxford vaccine | Jan 16 15:00 |
| vZS1_2 | We're "science deniers". We don't understand these things. | Jan 16 15:01 |
| schestowitz | DVulgaris: are you an epidemiologist? | Jan 16 15:01 |
| DVulgaris | But that excatly is why mrna vaccines are a good stop-gap measure | Jan 16 15:01 |
| schestowitz | yes or no? | Jan 16 15:01 |
| schestowitz | bbl | Jan 16 15:01 |
| DVulgaris | schestowitz: Nope, but I study biotech in general - so there's that | Jan 16 15:01 |
| schestowitz | I have a phd in medical biophysics | Jan 16 15:02 |
| schestowitz | I saw how AZ bribes students | Jan 16 15:02 |
| schestowitz | for 'research' | Jan 16 15:02 |
| CrystalMath | DVulgaris: i actually prefer the chinese vaccine | Jan 16 15:02 |
| CrystalMath | the CoronaVac | Jan 16 15:02 |
| schestowitz | calling me science-denier is a screamer | Jan 16 15:02 |
| schestowitz | the person who attacks science since the 70s is the biggest vaccine profiteer | Jan 16 15:03 |
| schestowitz | maybe focus on him | Jan 16 15:03 |
| DVulgaris | The one that hardly got a 50.4% efficacy in Brazil that is? | Jan 16 15:03 |
| schestowitz | he never even finished college | Jan 16 15:03 |
| DVulgaris | yh, I'll personally pass | Jan 16 15:03 |
| CrystalMath | DVulgaris: i oppose the mRNA ones because they depend on proprietary technology | Jan 16 15:03 |
| CrystalMath | except for the Sputnik-V, i guess | Jan 16 15:03 |
| DVulgaris | That I can get behind CrystalMath | Jan 16 15:03 |
| DVulgaris | I think it should be illegal to give control on those sequences like that | Jan 16 15:04 |
| DVulgaris | Maybe just limit it to a decade or half a decade | Jan 16 15:04 |
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| DVulgaris | Though, I think it can be argued that these aren't novel sequences since they do code for a spike protien that existed in the wild anyway | Jan 16 15:05 |
| DVulgaris | Unless the virus was modified in a chinese lab - then I guess the chinese can sue | Jan 16 15:05 |
| DVulgaris | That would be funny to watch | Jan 16 15:05 |
| DVulgaris | Though, I personally think the most pressing issue currently is raising awareness of how lockdowns were and still are being abused | Jan 16 15:06 |
| CrystalMath | *someone sneezes* | Jan 16 15:06 |
| CrystalMath | hey! do you have a license to copy that virus? | Jan 16 15:06 |
| DVulgaris | Everyone just copied china's model | Jan 16 15:06 |
| vZS1_2 | http://techrights.org/2018/03/04/patents-on-life-again/ | Jan 16 15:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Patents on Life Are a Cancer | Techrights | Jan 16 15:06 | |
| CrystalMath | DVulgaris: true | Jan 16 15:06 |
| DVulgaris | CrystalMath: The absurdity of that situation is too realistic | Jan 16 15:06 |
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| MinceR | 16 160614 < CrystalMath> hey! do you have a license to copy that virus? | Jan 16 15:06 |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 16 15:07 |
| DVulgaris | Lots of countries abused tthese conditions to trample of civil liberties | Jan 16 15:07 |
| DVulgaris | s/of/on | Jan 16 15:07 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Monsanto will sue | Jan 16 15:07 |
| schestowitz | you contaminated a table with their "AYE PEE" | Jan 16 15:07 |
| schestowitz | (Monsanto will sue the table, not you) | Jan 16 15:08 |
| MinceR | they renamed themselves to Bayer after their parent since they've soiled the Monsanto name | Jan 16 15:09 |
| MinceR | now they're soiling the Bayer name :) | Jan 16 15:09 |
| DVulgaris | kek | Jan 16 15:09 |
| DVulgaris | It's so sad though | Jan 16 15:09 |
| DVulgaris | Because this technology holds so much potential | Jan 16 15:10 |
| DVulgaris | And capitalists end up fucking it all up | Jan 16 15:10 |
| techrights-bot | #IBM emeritus promotes the virtual or imaginary "asset" revolution (man-made 'wealth' or 'property'). This is pure comedy to me. What has our species sunk to?! https://blog.irvingwb.com/blog/2021/01/the-intangible-asset-revolutino.html | Jan 16 15:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.irvingwb.com | Irving Wladawsky-Berger: The Intangible Asset Revolution | Jan 16 15:10 | |
| schestowitz | Bayer's name was already soiled, MinceR | Jan 16 15:11 |
| schestowitz | nazi roots | Jan 16 15:11 |
| MinceR | apparently not enough for them :> | Jan 16 15:11 |
| schestowitz | BASF also | Jan 16 15:11 |
| CrystalMath | Dr. Oetker, anyone? | Jan 16 15:13 |
| CrystalMath | i thought of a (negative) slogan for them.... "Dr. Oetker... it's definitely not kosher..." | Jan 16 15:14 |
| CrystalMath | (dark joke) | Jan 16 15:14 |
| vZS1_2 | schestowitz: btw, in the Intel video "grep": the g is "global" not "GNU". It comes from ed(1). | Jan 16 15:14 |
| schestowitz | ah, thanks | Jan 16 15:14 |
| vZS1_2 | grep = global regular expression print | Jan 16 15:14 |
| schestowitz | I was not sure about that | Jan 16 15:14 |
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| vZS1_2 | No worries. Just clarifying. | Jan 16 15:15 |
| CrystalMath | but i mean, perhaps these companies really did change | Jan 16 15:15 |
| CrystalMath | even if they had nazi roots | Jan 16 15:15 |
| DVulgaris | schestowitz: The nazi roots argument can be applied to a lot of companies | Jan 16 15:15 |
| techrights-bot | #Gentoo 2020 in retrospect & happy new year 2021! • 🆃🆄🆇 🅼🅰🅲🅷🅸🅽🅴🆂 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146546 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jan 16 15:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Gentoo 2020 in retrospect & happy new year 2021! | Tux Machines | Jan 16 15:15 | |
| DVulgaris | Just off the top of my head: VW, Hugo BOSS, Mercedes...etc | Jan 16 15:16 |
| MinceR | all public companies are required by law to be unscrupulous | Jan 16 15:16 |
| schestowitz | [15:15] <vZS1_2> No worries. Just clarifying. | Jan 16 15:16 |
| MinceR | afaik volkswagen is allied with microshit | Jan 16 15:16 |
| schestowitz | 15 years ago I used the global command a lot | Jan 16 15:16 |
| schestowitz | not since then | Jan 16 15:16 |
| schestowitz | but that is an aside | Jan 16 15:16 |
| DVulgaris | MinceR: What do you mean? | Jan 16 15:16 |
| schestowitz | also rep | Jan 16 15:16 |
| MinceR | they're making wheeled deathtraps ("self-driving electric cars") together | Jan 16 15:16 |
| MinceR | or developing | Jan 16 15:17 |
| DVulgaris | Oh no | Jan 16 15:17 |
| DVulgaris | Not the electric car meme | Jan 16 15:17 |
| schestowitz | manpage: GNU grep 3.3 2018-05-11 | Jan 16 15:17 |
| schestowitz | so it's ggrep :-)( | Jan 16 15:17 |
| DVulgaris | IDK when will it dawn on people that batteries have much lower battery density | Jan 16 15:17 |
| DVulgaris | I truly think the future lies in synthetic fuels | Jan 16 15:17 |
| MinceR | it could | Jan 16 15:17 |
| MinceR | but it seems too early to tell | Jan 16 15:18 |
| DVulgaris | Made in liquid thorium reactors | Jan 16 15:18 |
| schestowitz | DVulgaris: Coca Cola also | Jan 16 15:18 |
| schestowitz | "Fanta" | Jan 16 15:18 |
| DVulgaris | Oh yeah | Jan 16 15:18 |
| DVulgaris | Fantasie | Jan 16 15:18 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/11/05/the-epo-orange-one/ | Jan 16 15:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] António Campinos is the EPO’s ‘Fanta’ (Making EPO Fascism Seem Acceptable, Gentle, Caring and Kind) | Techrights | Jan 16 15:18 | |
| DVulgaris | I keep forgetting that one | Jan 16 15:18 |
| MinceR | BEVs would need improvements in battery and charging technology | Jan 16 15:18 |
| MinceR | synthetic fuels would need to be developed to be cost effective | Jan 16 15:18 |
| DVulgaris | Synthetic fuels just need a cheap high-temp energy source | Jan 16 15:19 |
| MinceR | hydrogen-based vehicles need a distribution system and even then, they're only likely to be worth doing for large commercial vehicles | Jan 16 15:19 |
| schestowitz | GM: http://techrights.org/2020/10/24/militarised-elephants/ | Jan 16 15:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Militarised Elephant in the Room Still Commands a Lot of Free Software Development | Techrights | Jan 16 15:19 | |
| DVulgaris | Which is why if we get some new developments with nuclear power it might become a thing | Jan 16 15:19 |
| MinceR | and all of these technologies need our power generation to be cleaned up | Jan 16 15:19 |
| DVulgaris | Just go nuclear | Jan 16 15:19 |
| schestowitz | and IBM, as noted above | Jan 16 15:19 |
| DVulgaris | Closed loop | Jan 16 15:19 |
| MinceR | none of them will save us if we mostly rely on fossil fuels to produce electricity | Jan 16 15:19 |
| schestowitz | many US companies went along | Jan 16 15:19 |
| MinceR | nuclear is expensive, though | Jan 16 15:19 |
| vZS1_2 | Things like `echo "g/regex/p" | ed file.txt` has saved my hide a few times. | Jan 16 15:19 |
| MinceR | low EROI | Jan 16 15:19 |
| DVulgaris | The problem with current reactors is they were optimized for making bombs | Jan 16 15:19 |
| DVulgaris | Not power | Jan 16 15:20 |
| DVulgaris | Nuclear should be very cheap | Jan 16 15:20 |
| DVulgaris | But the US and USSR fucked it (and the world) over by prioritizing nukes | Jan 16 15:20 |
| DVulgaris | It's depressing | Jan 16 15:20 |
| MinceR | and in any case, i doubt any of this is sustainable with the population we have (which is still growing at a breakneck rate) | Jan 16 15:20 |
| DVulgaris | The more you dig in it the more you realize how fucked up the world is | Jan 16 15:20 |
| schestowitz | it's cheap until it leaks | Jan 16 15:20 |
| schestowitz | ask japan | Jan 16 15:20 |
| schestowitz | and you need a place to store this shit for many hundreds of years | Jan 16 15:21 |
| MinceR | people keep suggesting that we should live like ascetics so that we can have additional billions of people suffer on this planet | Jan 16 15:21 |
| DVulgaris | schestowitz: with a liquid or gas-based reactor the safety mechanisms are passive | Jan 16 15:21 |
| DVulgaris | And | Jan 16 15:21 |
| DVulgaris | Best of all | Jan 16 15:21 |
| MinceR | quantity over quality | Jan 16 15:21 |
| DVulgaris | it is closed-cycle | Jan 16 15:21 |
| vZS1_2 | Building nuclear power plants in an earthquake-and-tsunami-prone country isn't very clever. Is it? | Jan 16 15:21 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: good for religious cults | Jan 16 15:21 |
| schestowitz | every sperm spilled is a sin | Jan 16 15:21 |
| MinceR | vZS1_2: i suppose it could depend on how big they are and what support systems they need | Jan 16 15:21 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: :) | Jan 16 15:22 |
| schestowitz | if only women had a million eggs for all the sperm of a man, for each time they have intercourse | Jan 16 15:22 |
| DVulgaris | Which means almost no waste (we're talking in just a few Kgs after 50+ years) | Jan 16 15:22 |
| DVulgaris | vZS1_2: They just wanted nukes | Jan 16 15:22 |
| MinceR | vZS1_2: from what i've seen, some of the new fission reactor technologies are supposed to be workable at small scalex | Jan 16 15:22 |
| MinceR | s/ex/es/ | Jan 16 15:22 |
| schestowitz | at least the Church thinks of the chidren | Jan 16 15:22 |
| DVulgaris | Every single LWR is optimized gor nukes and not energy | Jan 16 15:22 |
| schestowitz | if they cannot turn teh sperm into kids | Jan 16 15:22 |
| schestowitz | then they spill the sperm on them | Jan 16 15:22 |
| DVulgaris | The kids are improtant to them | Jan 16 15:23 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: got to outbreed the competing cults | Jan 16 15:23 |
| schestowitz | yup | Jan 16 15:23 |
| DVulgaris | Because you need a new generation to brainwash | Jan 16 15:23 |
| schestowitz | Islam is winning the race | Jan 16 15:23 |
| DVulgaris | By being totalitarian | Jan 16 15:23 |
| schestowitz | they are even cheaten | Jan 16 15:23 |
| schestowitz | cheating | Jan 16 15:23 |
| schestowitz | child marriage | Jan 16 15:23 |
| DVulgaris | Seen it first hand :( | Jan 16 15:23 |
| MinceR | if they'll suffer and starve or die in a war against the other cults (or just differently colored people), who cares? | Jan 16 15:23 |
| DVulgaris | They believe they'll go to heaven in that case | Jan 16 15:24 |
| MinceR | exactly | Jan 16 15:24 |
| DVulgaris | How can you stop such dedication | Jan 16 15:24 |
| MinceR | everyone is disposable to them | Jan 16 15:24 |
| DVulgaris | Exaclt | Jan 16 15:24 |
| DVulgaris | And they're totally fine with that | Jan 16 15:24 |
| DVulgaris | Mind you | Jan 16 15:24 |
| schestowitz | except themselves | Jan 16 15:24 |
| DVulgaris | Even themselves | Jan 16 15:24 |
| DVulgaris | I have many muslim friends | Jan 16 15:24 |
| DVulgaris | They say it openly | Jan 16 15:24 |
| DVulgaris | The collective is more important | Jan 16 15:24 |
| DVulgaris | anything for allah | Jan 16 15:25 |
| DVulgaris | basically | Jan 16 15:25 |
| schestowitz | allah la land | Jan 16 15:25 |
| schestowitz | I have a question | Jan 16 15:26 |
| schestowitz | if you get 72 virgins | Jan 16 15:26 |
| schestowitz | and you go through all of them | Jan 16 15:26 |
| DVulgaris | Kek | Jan 16 15:26 |
| schestowitz | they are no longer virgins | Jan 16 15:26 |
| DVulgaris | Yh | Jan 16 15:26 |
| DVulgaris | BTW | Jan 16 15:26 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 16 15:26 |
| DVulgaris | It really might not be 72 virgins | Jan 16 15:26 |
| schestowitz | if you blow them all up, will you go up to heaven of heaven and get 72 new ones? | Jan 16 15:26 |
| DVulgaris | See | Jan 16 15:26 |
| DVulgaris | In old Arabic | Jan 16 15:26 |
| MinceR | see the Postal movie :> | Jan 16 15:26 |
| DVulgaris | The same word was used for "virgin" and "crystal" | Jan 16 15:27 |
| DVulgaris | So they might just be getting 72 crystals XD | Jan 16 15:27 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 16 15:27 |
| schestowitz | useless | Jan 16 15:28 |
| DVulgaris | BTW | Jan 16 15:28 |
| schestowitz | what does that buy? | Jan 16 15:28 |
| DVulgaris | Why does the website not work sometimes? | Jan 16 15:28 |
| DVulgaris | schestowitz: IDK | Jan 16 15:28 |
| MinceR | you can stick them in a DHD and get out of there :> | Jan 16 15:29 |
| DVulgaris | They say wine is free in heaven | Jan 16 15:29 |
| DVulgaris | So like | Jan 16 15:29 |
| schestowitz | DVulgaris: which web site? | Jan 16 15:29 |
| DVulgaris | IDK what'd they buy | Jan 16 15:29 |
| DVulgaris | schestowitz: techrights | Jan 16 15:29 |
| DVulgaris | Like, just 404s all over the place | Jan 16 15:29 |
| schestowitz | can you give an example? I see no issues at my end. | Jan 16 15:29 |
| schestowitz | let me check | Jan 16 15:29 |
| DVulgaris | It's very sparodic | Jan 16 15:29 |
| DVulgaris | It works now, but last week I couldn't get to it for example | Jan 16 15:29 |
| schestowitz | can you give an example? | Jan 16 15:29 |
| schestowitz | I cannot reproduce | Jan 16 15:30 |
| DVulgaris | just trying https://www.techrights.org | Jan 16 15:30 |
| schestowitz | and our links are very strictly maintained over time so that they neve rbreak | Jan 16 15:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Welcome to Techrights | Jan 16 15:30 | |
| schestowitz | you try wrong protocol | Jan 16 15:30 |
| schestowitz | use http | Jan 16 15:30 |
| DVulgaris | Aha | Jan 16 15:30 |
| schestowitz | maybe a browser plugin | Jan 16 15:30 |
| schestowitz | or rogue browser | Jan 16 15:30 |
| DVulgaris | HTTPS everywhere | Jan 16 15:30 |
| DVulgaris | That's it | Jan 16 15:30 |
| schestowitz | that decides what protocol is 'invalid' | Jan 16 15:30 |
| DVulgaris | What still HTTP only though? | Jan 16 15:30 |
| schestowitz | to reinforce monopolies | Jan 16 15:31 |
| schestowitz | we need to upgrade the OS | Jan 16 15:31 |
| DVulgaris | I see | Jan 16 15:31 |
| DVulgaris | Explains why it works again this week, cuz I ditched HTTPS-everywhere (since FF now attempts to upgrade to HTTPS by default). | Jan 16 15:31 |
| vZS1_2 | schestowitz: DX = a bunch of political monkeys that harrass real engineers | Jan 16 15:32 |
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| schestowitz | vZS1_2: DE | Jan 16 15:32 |
| schestowitz | but X sounds better | Jan 16 15:32 |
| schestowitz | like UX cultists | Jan 16 15:33 |
| schestowitz | they always know better | Jan 16 15:33 |
| schestowitz | remove this, that... | Jan 16 15:33 |
| schestowitz | just keep a "back" button" | Jan 16 15:33 |
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| schestowitz | and keep it simple, the users are all utterly dumb and don't need features... it confuses them | Jan 16 15:33 |
| schestowitz | reduces r&d and testing costs | Jan 16 15:34 |
| vZS1_2 | At the start of 2020, there was a project that delegated coordination and mangement to me. (I didn't ask for it) | Jan 16 15:34 |
| schestowitz | banking "apps" with two buttons | Jan 16 15:34 |
| vZS1_2 | I just made everyone use a kanban board | Jan 16 15:34 |
| vZS1_2 | And they used their own tools | Jan 16 15:34 |
| vZS1_2 | Everyone was happy | Jan 16 15:34 |
| vZS1_2 | We finished the project | Jan 16 15:34 |
| vZS1_2 | We coordinated over matrix | Jan 16 15:35 |
| schestowitz | DX: let me send you a word document over gmail | Jan 16 15:35 |
| schestowitz | .docx | Jan 16 15:35 |
| schestowitz | with text in it | Jan 16 15:35 |
| schestowitz | nothing else | Jan 16 15:35 |
| schestowitz | no formatting | Jan 16 15:35 |
| schestowitz | in an html email | Jan 16 15:35 |
| vZS1_2 | For interactive formatting, the project used Cryptpad. They decided on it themselves. I quite enjoyed Cryptpad. | Jan 16 15:35 |
| schestowitz | with 10 prior emails tailed to it | Jan 16 15:35 |
| schestowitz | 100k total+attachment | Jan 16 15:35 |
| schestowitz | for the text | Jan 16 15:35 |
| schestowitz | open in your office suite | Jan 16 15:36 |
| schestowitz | print out | Jan 16 15:36 |
| schestowitz | sign | Jan 16 15:36 |
| DVulgaris | Everything is just bloated nowadays | Jan 16 15:36 |
| DVulgaris | IDK why | Jan 16 15:36 |
| schestowitz | take photograph | Jan 16 15:36 |
| schestowitz | reply | Jan 16 15:36 |
| schestowitz | attach photo | Jan 16 15:36 |
| schestowitz | over bluetooth | Jan 16 15:36 |
| schestowitz | now we talk "PRODUCTIVITY!" | Jan 16 15:36 |
| schestowitz | Your addition of a comma to your own code is APPROVED! | Jan 16 15:36 |
| vZS1_2 | Cryptpad is a nice tool | Jan 16 15:37 |
| vZS1_2 | I didn't hear of it until I worked on said project | Jan 16 15:37 |
| schestowitz | etherpad is nice | Jan 16 15:38 |
| schestowitz | Google tried to kill it | Jan 16 15:38 |
| schestowitz | maybe it did | Jan 16 15:38 |
| schestowitz | was a threat to lousy google docs | Jan 16 15:38 |
| schestowitz | which is not (afaik) supporting simultaneous editors yet | Jan 16 15:38 |
| vZS1_2 | https://cryptpad.fr/ | Jan 16 15:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cryptpad.fr | CryptPad: Zero Knowledge, Collaborative Real Time Editing | Jan 16 15:38 | |
| vZS1_2 | Cryptpad supports simultaneous editors | Jan 16 15:39 |
| schestowitz | maybe it's a fork? | Jan 16 15:39 |
| vZS1_2 | It's good for coordination. | Jan 16 15:39 |
| vZS1_2 | Idk if it's a fork | Jan 16 15:39 |
| schestowitz | I geta blank page | Jan 16 15:39 |
| vZS1_2 | There's a poll, kanban, whiteboard | Jan 16 15:39 |
| schestowitz | now it comes up | Jan 16 15:39 |
| schestowitz | 20 secs later | Jan 16 15:39 |
| vZS1_2 | Might be your connection | Jan 16 15:40 |
| vZS1_2 | Loads quick on my end | Jan 16 15:40 |
| schestowitz | maybe it is based on etherpad | Jan 16 15:40 |
| schestowitz | except afaik you cannot download the code for this and locally host | Jan 16 15:40 |
| schestowitz | because CLOWN | Jan 16 15:40 |
| schestowitz | maybe this is just etherpad clownified https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etherpad | Jan 16 15:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Etherpad - Wikipedia | Jan 16 15:41 | |
| schestowitz | LicenseApache License 2.0 | Jan 16 15:41 |
| schestowitz | Stable release 1.8.6 / 18 September 2020; 3 months ago | Jan 16 15:42 |
| schestowitz | they need to deletegithub | Jan 16 15:42 |
| vZS1_2 | Etherpad is good software | Jan 16 15:42 |
| techrights-bot | What we expect to come from Valve to help Linux gaming in 2021 | GamingOnLinux ⇨ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/01/what-we-expect-to-come-from-valve-to-help-linux-gaming-in-2021 •●• #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games #Gaming | Jan 16 15:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-What we expect to come from Valve to help Linux gaming in 2021 | GamingOnLinux | Jan 16 15:43 | |
| vZS1_2 | I let the team choose their own tools. It turned out well. | Jan 16 15:44 |
| techrights-bot | Beast of a #Linux #Gaming Machine! #Slimbook Titan Launched With #AMD Ryzen 7 5800H and Nvidia RTX 3070 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146438#comment-27827 | Jan 16 15:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Slimbook reveal the Ryzen 7 and RTX 3070 powered Titan | Tux Machines | Jan 16 15:45 | |
| vZS1_2 | Most of the hard work was getting people to maintain clean Git histories. | Jan 16 15:46 |
| schestowitz | I am guessing they use etherpad somewher | Jan 16 15:46 |
| schestowitz | not built from scratch | Jan 16 15:46 |
| schestowitz | if you like it, self-host it | Jan 16 15:46 |
| schestowitz | that french site could block access and start charging | Jan 16 15:47 |
| vZS1_2 | I will, if the need arises. | Jan 16 15:47 |
| schestowitz | freemlium biz model | Jan 16 15:47 |
| vZS1_2 | I don't use Cryptpad anymore. | Jan 16 15:47 |
| schestowitz | they don't do this thing as altruistic venture | Jan 16 15:47 |
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| vZS1_2 | I was just sharing experience | Jan 16 15:47 |
| schestowitz | not sure what 'crypt' aboyt it | Jan 16 15:47 |
| vZS1_2 | Oh we didn't care about the crypt | Jan 16 15:47 |
| schestowitz | crypto-insinuism | Jan 16 15:47 |
| schestowitz | we're 'secure' or 'private' something | Jan 16 15:48 |
| schestowitz | cryptoProtonQuantumsomething | Jan 16 15:49 |
| schestowitz | very, very secure | Jan 16 15:49 |
| schestowitz | even aliens can't crack it! | Jan 16 15:49 |
| schestowitz | with literally tesla and einstein on the site logo | Jan 16 15:49 |
| vZS1_2 | DX is an imposition. It's a post held by lackeys from "upper management". | Jan 16 15:50 |
| vZS1_2 | You're [DX] not an engineer. Don't assume you know what needs to be done. | Jan 16 15:51 |
| schestowitz | they always know better | Jan 16 15:51 |
| schestowitz | geeks are stupid | Jan 16 15:51 |
| schestowitz | and "ugly" | Jan 16 15:51 |
| schestowitz | and they wear sandals and stuff | Jan 16 15:51 |
| vZS1_2 | Coordination and project management don't need "DX". | Jan 16 15:52 |
| vZS1_2 | It's one of those made-up titles and buzzwords. See it everywhere now. | Jan 16 15:52 |
| schestowitz | they are middle managers | Jan 16 15:52 |
| schestowitz | to make sure the geeks don't outwit the suits | Jan 16 15:52 |
| schestowitz | keep the geeks humbled and scared | Jan 16 15:52 |
| vZS1_2 | We essentially the DX type infiltrating Free Software. | Jan 16 15:53 |
| vZS1_2 | Which is what I'm concerned about | Jan 16 15:53 |
| vZS1_2 | DX people love to concern troll | Jan 16 15:54 |
| schestowitz | for the "users" | Jan 16 15:55 |
| schestowitz | the geeks "don't understand" | Jan 16 15:55 |
| schestowitz | they get the blame | Jan 16 15:55 |
| schestowitz | they just do all the work | Jan 16 15:55 |
| schestowitz | RMS | Jan 16 15:55 |
| schestowitz | its his fault | Jan 16 15:55 |
| psydroid | I think of it as something more sinister | Jan 16 15:55 |
| schestowitz | that Free software isn't killing Microsoft | Jan 16 15:55 |
| schestowitz | replace RMS, now look at the FSF | Jan 16 15:55 |
| schestowitz | doing so much better, right? | Jan 16 15:55 |
| psydroid | more like a war of business people on technical people | Jan 16 15:55 |
| schestowitz | inferiority complex | Jan 16 15:56 |
| schestowitz | seen it, been there, done that | Jan 16 15:56 |
| schestowitz | had a boss like that | Jan 16 15:56 |
| schestowitz | 'boss' | Jan 16 15:56 |
| schestowitz | I made a complaint | Jan 16 15:56 |
| schestowitz | she got sacked | Jan 16 15:56 |
| schestowitz | she only kept harassing those who did all the work | Jan 16 15:56 |
| schestowitz | and some key staff handed in a notice | Jan 16 15:56 |
| schestowitz | I was close to that, too | Jan 16 15:56 |
| schestowitz | hence she was fired | Jan 16 15:56 |
| vZS1_2 | I still find it absurd that you kick out the founder of GNU and then some how make him the bad guy. | Jan 16 15:57 |
| schestowitz | and the CEO was all cocky and apologetic to me | Jan 16 15:57 |
| schestowitz | vZS1_2: not a new plan | Jan 16 15:57 |
| schestowitz | wait, will show you | Jan 16 15:57 |
| DVulgaris | I still don't get what the hell happened with the FSF | Jan 16 15:57 |
| DVulgaris | Stinks of M$ | Jan 16 15:57 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2009/09/26/richard-stallman-smeared-for-truth/ | Jan 16 15:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Richard Stallman is Not the Bad Guy | Techrights | Jan 16 15:57 | |
| schestowitz | that was an early incident | Jan 16 15:57 |
| psydroid | Microsoft needs the business people to side with them, because if they don't the technical people will win out and start ruling companies and eventually the whole world | Jan 16 15:57 |
| schestowitz | GNOME Foundation | Jan 16 15:57 |
| vZS1_2 | RMS got backstabbed by people he trusted. | Jan 16 15:57 |
| schestowitz | De Icaza (Microsoft) and Peters (Microsoft) | Jan 16 15:58 |
| schestowitz | all those shills | Jan 16 15:58 |
| DVulgaris | So | Jan 16 15:58 |
| DVulgaris | They never let go (M$) | Jan 16 15:58 |
| schestowitz | they end up working for the big bucks | Jan 16 15:58 |
| DVulgaris | It's disgusting | Jan 16 15:58 |
| schestowitz | the money is in attacking FS | Jan 16 15:58 |
| schestowitz | not in promoting it | Jan 16 15:58 |
| schestowitz | and they enter just to elevate themselves at companies like Microsoft | Jan 16 15:58 |
| schestowitz | de Icaza even went for a job interview at Microsoft BEFORE he did GNOME | Jan 16 15:58 |
| schestowitz | a warning sign right there | Jan 16 15:59 |
| vZS1_2 | I have always said that trust doesn't scale. | Jan 16 15:59 |
| vZS1_2 | RMS found that out the hard way | Jan 16 15:59 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2009/09/24/zdnet-embeds-isc-anti-foss/ | Jan 16 15:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | ZDNet Embeds Placements for Anti-Free Software Companies | Techrights | Jan 16 15:59 | |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2009/09/21/rms-on-miguel-de-icaza/ | Jan 16 16:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Miguel de Icaza “is Basically a Traitor to the Free Software Community,” Says Richard Stallman | Techrights | Jan 16 16:00 | |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2009/07/17/fsf-vs-microsoft-community-promises/ | Jan 16 16:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Free Software Foundation Discourages Dependence on Mono, Dismisses Microsoft Community Promise | Techrights | Jan 16 16:00 | |
| DVulgaris | You know what's even more disgusting? | Jan 16 16:00 |
| schestowitz | sputnikv | Jan 16 16:01 |
| DVulgaris | M$ is trying to lock students into their systems | Jan 16 16:01 |
| DVulgaris | We had to study C# at HS | Jan 16 16:01 |
| schestowitz | techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EDGI | Jan 16 16:01 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/Microsoft_ELMS | Jan 16 16:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft ELMS - Techrights | Jan 16 16:01 | |
| DVulgaris | Mainly because M$ convinced the school admin and bribed them | Jan 16 16:01 |
| schestowitz | odl tactics | Jan 16 16:01 |
| schestowitz | digital druglords | Jan 16 16:01 |
| DVulgaris | Exactly! | Jan 16 16:01 |
| schestowitz | yes, bribes | Jan 16 16:01 |
| schestowitz | those are expensive | Jan 16 16:01 |
| schestowitz | they can't pull this off forever | Jan 16 16:01 |
| DVulgaris | Not so | Jan 16 16:01 |
| DVulgaris | Again | Jan 16 16:01 |
| DVulgaris | I live in one of the most corrupt countries in the west | Jan 16 16:02 |
| schestowitz | they've also bribed university profs since the 90s at least | Jan 16 16:02 |
| schestowitz | when you let companies run by mafia-like minds have that much power... | Jan 16 16:02 |
| schestowitz | multiple-time-convicted, too | Jan 16 16:02 |
| DVulgaris | With the PM still being in office while it is widely known he accepted bribes time and time again | Jan 16 16:02 |
| schestowitz | Crime Minister | Jan 16 16:02 |
| DVulgaris | The political state of the west is laughable TBh | Jan 16 16:03 |
| schestowitz | weaponising COVID | Jan 16 16:03 |
| DVulgaris | s/TBh/TBH | Jan 16 16:03 |
| psydroid | a university professor at one of my faculties is a Microsoft employee | Jan 16 16:03 |
| MinceR | the east is no better | Jan 16 16:03 |
| schestowitz | psydroid: typical | Jan 16 16:03 |
| DVulgaris | psydroid: M$ and Intel funded "study spaces" at my uni | Jan 16 16:03 |
| schestowitz | sometimes they pass bribes by sponsoring "a lab" | Jan 16 16:03 |
| DVulgaris | Basically free advertising | Jan 16 16:03 |
| DVulgaris | Thankfully though | Jan 16 16:03 |
| DVulgaris | The IT admin are very much FOSS supporters | Jan 16 16:04 |
| DVulgaris | All the backend systems run debian | Jan 16 16:04 |
| psydroid | DVulgaris: we may be students at the same university ... but let's leave that aside | Jan 16 16:04 |
| DVulgaris | huh | Jan 16 16:04 |
| DVulgaris | Yh, I might be saying too much | Jan 16 16:04 |
| vZS1_2 | schestowitz: the lack of ports and peripheral support you mentioned in the latest Intel leaks video is only getting worse in schools. Many schools around the world are buying Chromebooks that barely have peripheral support. | Jan 16 16:04 |
| psydroid | it bothers me, though | Jan 16 16:04 |
| psydroid | I left industry to go back to university to escape these companies | Jan 16 16:05 |
| DVulgaris | And they're going after you basically | Jan 16 16:05 |
| DVulgaris | :( | Jan 16 16:05 |
| psydroid | and then I find out they infiltrated my own university | Jan 16 16:05 |
| vZS1_2 | Chromebooks are Google's attempt to turn laptops into another app interface. | Jan 16 16:05 |
| DVulgaris | Anyhow, I gtg for a bit | Jan 16 16:05 |
| vZS1_2 | Like the Amazon Swindle | Jan 16 16:06 |
| schestowitz | [16:04] <vZS1_2> schestowitz: the lack of ports and peripheral support you mentioned in the latest Intel leaks video is only getting worse in schools. Many schools around the world are buying Chromebooks that barely have peripheral support. | Jan 16 16:06 |
| schestowitz | what's a peripheral? | Jan 16 16:07 |
| schestowitz | "ipod" ? | Jan 16 16:07 |
| schestowitz | buy the latest! | Jan 16 16:07 |
| schestowitz | it will do wireless magic | Jan 16 16:07 |
| schestowitz | even charging | Jan 16 16:07 |
| schestowitz | wires begone | Jan 16 16:07 |
| schestowitz | do backups of 100GB to the clown over bluetooth | Jan 16 16:07 |
| schestowitz | [16:06] <vZS1_2> Like the Amazon Swindle | Jan 16 16:08 |
| schestowitz | 2 days ago I saw a headline about Swindle | Jan 16 16:08 |
| schestowitz | they have a new edition of it | Jan 16 16:08 |
| schestowitz | with "CLOWN" in its name | Jan 16 16:08 |
| schestowitz | something like "Kindle Cloud" | Jan 16 16:08 |
| schestowitz | Cannot recall | Jan 16 16:09 |
| schestowitz | it's amazing | Jan 16 16:09 |
| schestowitz | DRM not enough | Jan 16 16:09 |
| schestowitz | not they want to also store the data remotely | Jan 16 16:09 |
| schestowitz | not to just delete it remotely OFF your devices, as they did a decades ago with "copies" of ''1984' | Jan 16 16:09 |
| vZS1_2 | Couldn't have picked a better title. lol | Jan 16 16:14 |
| techrights-ipfs | ▕ IPFS downstream, 45 mins: ▃▅▅▅▄▅▅▅▆▅▅▅█▅▄█▅▄▅▅▅▄▅▅▆▇▅▄▄▅▇▆▅▆▆▅▆▇▅▅▆▇▆▅▂▆▅▅ ▕ IPFS upstream: ▃▃▄▄▄▃▂▃▄▄▃▄▃▃▄▂▃▃▂▃▃▁▃▄▃▁▂▅▄▃▃▂▂▃▁▂▂▂▄▃▃▅▆▃▄▂▃▃▂▁▃▃▄▂ ⟲ | Jan 16 16:15 |
| schestowitz | eventually they want to render all devices mere terminals | Jan 16 16:17 |
| schestowitz | or "edges" as they increasingly call them | Jan 16 16:17 |
| schestowitz | or "iot" | Jan 16 16:17 |
| schestowitz | "Smart" | Jan 16 16:17 |
| schestowitz | 1) get the app | Jan 16 16:17 |
| schestowitz | 2) press OK to all | Jan 16 16:17 |
| schestowitz | 3) connect to wireless | Jan 16 16:17 |
| schestowitz | 4) set to auto-update remotely | Jan 16 16:17 |
| schestowitz | 5) get license to get cached 'content' | Jan 16 16:18 |
| schestowitz | (over DRM of course) | Jan 16 16:18 |
| schestowitz | 6) after EoL, get a new terminal | Jan 16 16:18 |
| schestowitz | then go back to (1) | Jan 16 16:18 |
| schestowitz | today Nationwide sent us a card reader | Jan 16 16:19 |
| schestowitz | the one used just for login to the site | Jan 16 16:19 |
| vZS1_2 | A friend of mine brought to my attention something called Google Stadia. | Jan 16 16:19 |
| vZS1_2 | So now you have | Jan 16 16:19 |
| schestowitz | plastic with battery | Jan 16 16:19 |
| vZS1_2 | Clown gaming | Jan 16 16:19 |
| vZS1_2 | TM | Jan 16 16:19 |
| schestowitz | when the batteries run out you cannot replace them | Jan 16 16:19 |
| schestowitz | you cannot even open them to swap battery | Jan 16 16:19 |
| schestowitz | they tell you to throw it away and get the new/latest one | Jan 16 16:19 |
| schestowitz | [16:19] <vZS1_2> A friend of mine brought to my attention something called Google Stadia. | Jan 16 16:20 |
| schestowitz | and they tell me I use too much with ipfs ;-) | Jan 16 16:20 |
| schestowitz | (they did not) | Jan 16 16:20 |
| schestowitz | let's stream 1060p | Jan 16 16:20 |
| schestowitz | with sound, too | Jan 16 16:20 |
| schestowitz | for playing a f-ing game | Jan 16 16:20 |
| vZS1_2 | yep | Jan 16 16:20 |
| schestowitz | who needs low-ping games that circulate location | Jan 16 16:20 |
| schestowitz | send the whole f'ing frame buffer | Jan 16 16:20 |
| schestowitz | during lockdown | Jan 16 16:20 |
| vZS1_2 | yep | Jan 16 16:21 |
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| schestowitz | google will try to pull off some profits | Jan 16 16:21 |
| schestowitz | then kil, | Jan 16 16:21 |
| schestowitz | kill the whole thing | Jan 16 16:21 |
| vZS1_2 | It won't last | Jan 16 16:21 |
| schestowitz | like buzz and Google+ | Jan 16 16:21 |
| vZS1_2 | I know several people that laughed at the concept (non-tech people) | Jan 16 16:21 |
| schestowitz | and throw game devs under the bus | Jan 16 16:21 |
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| schestowitz | lockdowns can kill it | Jan 16 16:21 |
| schestowitz | more gamers | Jan 16 16:21 |
| schestowitz | but congested networks | Jan 16 16:22 |
| schestowitz | with that VPN crap of netclown | Jan 16 16:22 |
| vZS1_2 | Google want people to have shitty computers at home and use their clown for everything. | Jan 16 16:22 |
| vZS1_2 | It's obvious. | Jan 16 16:22 |
| schestowitz | the company IS the computer | Jan 16 16:23 |
| schestowitz | you are just paying for the terminal | Jan 16 16:23 |
| vZS1_2 | Yeah. Basically a UI | Jan 16 16:23 |
| schestowitz | like that "card reader" we get... for 'free' | Jan 16 16:23 |
| schestowitz | made to be disposable... in mainland China | Jan 16 16:23 |
| vZS1_2 | All you get is a UI | Jan 16 16:23 |
| schestowitz | low batteries? Throw away | Jan 16 16:23 |
| schestowitz | cheaper to pay for stamps | Jan 16 16:23 |
| schestowitz | worry about the metal and plastic later | Jan 16 16:23 |
| vZS1_2 | A post around Google Stadia and Chromebooks would be quite OT for TR | Jan 16 16:25 |
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| vZS1_2 | With some new statistics, once we find some | Jan 16 16:25 |
| vZS1_2 | Schools in particular are jumping out of the pan and into the fire | Jan 16 16:26 |
| schestowitz | I mentioned DRM recently | Jan 16 16:26 |
| vZS1_2 | MSFT to Google | Jan 16 16:26 |
| schestowitz | even did a video about it | Jan 16 16:26 |
| vZS1_2 | I was meaning more in sense of taking away computing power from people | Jan 16 16:26 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/12/05/gnu-linux-and-gamers/ | Jan 16 16:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bringing DRM to GNU/Linux to Attract the Stereotypical ‘Gamers’ | Techrights | Jan 16 16:26 | |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/12/19/linux-drm-not-inevitable/ | Jan 16 16:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | If Azure is Collapsing and Clown Computing a Passing Fad, Why Can’t DRM Go Away as Well? | Techrights | Jan 16 16:26 | |
| schestowitz | [16:26] <vZS1_2> I was meaning more in sense of taking away computing power from people | Jan 16 16:27 |
| schestowitz | That's what the US Army would like | Jan 16 16:27 |
| schestowitz | the world as a guest of the US | Jan 16 16:27 |
| schestowitz | they used to sell hardware | Jan 16 16:27 |
| schestowitz | now it's all made in CHina | Jan 16 16:27 |
| schestowitz | so they can at least wire all that hardware to the US infra | Jan 16 16:27 |
| schestowitz | and then leverage that power | Jan 16 16:28 |
| schestowitz | as they do with Twitter and FB censorship | Jan 16 16:28 |
| schestowitz | like throwing rhe nazi under the bus in time for inauguration of a "lesser evil" | Jan 16 16:28 |
| schestowitz | "celebrate peasants!" | Jan 16 16:28 |
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| psydroid | <vZS1_2 "Google want people to have shitt"> And then people become addicted to the clown... who will rip their limbs off, as soon as he gets the chance | Jan 16 16:39 |
| psydroid | (I watched the remake of the movie based on Stephen King's It last year) | Jan 16 16:39 |
| schestowitz | I still remember software "suites" | Jan 16 16:44 |
| schestowitz | many features in them | Jan 16 16:44 |
| schestowitz | povray, blender3d | Jan 16 16:44 |
| schestowitz | now we have "apps" | Jan 16 16:44 |
| schestowitz | "we" as in many people | Jan 16 16:44 |
| schestowitz | the only explanations I have include lowering R&D costs, eliminating software versatility (also lowers costs associated with making and keeping up to date the documentation) | Jan 16 16:45 |
| schestowitz | the users become the data brokers | Jan 16 16:46 |
| schestowitz | with all these "data sciency" interfaces | Jan 16 16:46 |
| schestowitz | and people are just... data | Jan 16 16:46 |
| schestowitz | or "user-generated content" (creators) | Jan 16 16:46 |
| schestowitz | serfs basically | Jan 16 16:46 |
| schestowitz | this is how mozilla now views firefox users | Jan 16 16:47 |
| schestowitz | do I don't wan to be one anymore | Jan 16 16:47 |
| techrights-bot | Cheers! Wine 6.0 Released with Improved Support for Windows Games and Software on Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146470#comment-27828 #gnu #linux #wine #games | Jan 16 16:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Wine 6.0 Officially Released with Vulkan Backend for WineD3D, This Is What’s New | Tux Machines | Jan 16 16:49 | |
| techrights-bot | Was: "How Jason A. Donenfeld created secure VPN WireGuard, included in Linux" https://www.businessinsider.com/wireguard-jason-a-donenfeld-profile-secure-vpn-linux-mac-windows-2021-1?r=US&IR=T | Jan 16 16:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com | How Jason A. Donenfeld created secure VPN WireGuard, included in Linux - Business Insider | Jan 16 16:51 | |
| techrights-bot | Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 🆃🆄🆇 🅼🅰🅲🅷🅸🅽🅴🆂 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146547 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jan 16 16:55 |
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| schestowitz | Just checked if she's still around https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uch0FlNo3Go | Jan 16 17:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Charlotte Church - Ave Maria (Dormition Abbey 2000) - YouTube | Jan 16 17:00 | |
| schestowitz | seems like she still performs | Jan 16 17:00 |
| schestowitz | but hardly progressed since | Jan 16 17:00 |
| schestowitz | no more "young talent" | Jan 16 17:00 |
| schestowitz | just forgotten talent | Jan 16 17:00 |
| psydroid | I read she ruined her voice by singing in technically the wrong way | Jan 16 17:01 |
| schestowitz | the new songs suck | Jan 16 17:02 |
| schestowitz | I just checked | Jan 16 17:02 |
| schestowitz | suddenly I thought, where is she today? | Jan 16 17:02 |
| schestowitz | the new ones are like "pop" crap | Jan 16 17:02 |
| schestowitz | maybe living off the old brand she had gained around 20 years ago | Jan 16 17:02 |
| schestowitz | hm... spam https://hub.packtpub.com/sql-server-linux-from-blog-posts-sqlservercentral/ | Jan 16 17:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hub.packtpub.com | SQL Server Linux from Blog Posts - SQLServerCentral | Packt Hub | Jan 16 17:04 | |
| psydroid | I can hear what you just said, she is singing Disney songs now | Jan 16 17:05 |
| schestowitz | ludicrous | Jan 16 17:06 |
| schestowitz | lost the class | Jan 16 17:06 |
| schestowitz | fancy videos | Jan 16 17:06 |
| schestowitz | with pop/kpop style footage | Jan 16 17:06 |
| schestowitz | not sclassical | Jan 16 17:06 |
| schestowitz | drumbeats and stuff | Jan 16 17:06 |
| schestowitz | maybe trying to blend in with the "content" cartel to stay relevant | Jan 16 17:07 |
| schestowitz | she must be about 35 now | Jan 16 17:07 |
| psydroid | I think it's not voluntary, but more a case that she either moved or got left behind forever | Jan 16 17:07 |
| schestowitz | sometimes they fall shy of expectation of distribution cartel | Jan 16 17:09 |
| schestowitz | like, they express certain political views | Jan 16 17:10 |
| schestowitz | and then fall from grace | Jan 16 17:10 |
| schestowitz | and they opt for younger and "sexier" ones | Jan 16 17:10 |
| schestowitz | who lack a political view or too afraid to use their name to express it | Jan 16 17:10 |
| schestowitz | case of point: jk rowling | Jan 16 17:11 |
| techrights-bot | #Python PIP Complete guide • 🆃🆄🆇 🅼🅰🅲🅷🅸🅽🅴🆂 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146548 •●• #programming | Jan 16 17:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Python PIP Complete guide | Tux Machines | Jan 16 17:12 | |
| psydroid | I admit I've never read any of her books | Jan 16 17:12 |
| schestowitz | Fiction | Jan 16 17:13 |
| schestowitz | and based on fantasies | Jan 16 17:13 |
| schestowitz | afaik | Jan 16 17:13 |
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| psydroid | I notice there is more of a disconnect between what young people know and listen to and what I find interesting | Jan 16 17:19 |
| psydroid | even though my taste hasn't departed significantly from what it was 20-30 years ago, it just got expanded, which is normal as you get older | Jan 16 17:20 |
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| Ariadne | the story of jk rowling is a bit more complicated than that | Jan 16 17:45 |
| Ariadne | she was radicalized on social control media with transphobic ideology | Jan 16 17:46 |
| Ariadne | it is sad for everyone involved | Jan 16 17:46 |
| schestowitz | social control media si toxic | Jan 16 17:46 |
| Ariadne | however, it is positive that such ideology was rejected | Jan 16 17:46 |
| DVulgaris | Yeah, I never got what got her into that | Jan 16 17:46 |
| schestowitz | she should have kept off it | Jan 16 17:46 |
| DVulgaris | TERFs and all | Jan 16 17:46 |
| schestowitz | or "write only" | Jan 16 17:46 |
| DVulgaris | Weird shit | Jan 16 17:46 |
| Ariadne | well, transphobia is just the homophobia of this century, and like homophobia is linked to white supremacy | Jan 16 17:47 |
| DVulgaris | The only thing I don't get | Jan 16 17:47 |
| CrystalMath | how is homophobia linked to white supremacy? | Jan 16 17:47 |
| schestowitz | transphobia and homophobia are less common in "white" countries | Jan 16 17:47 |
| CrystalMath | there's a lot of homophobia outside white culture | Jan 16 17:47 |
| DVulgaris | Is why are suicide rates still high even for post-op trans people | Jan 16 17:47 |
| schestowitz | so there's another angle to it | Jan 16 17:47 |
| DVulgaris | I think that the current research is missing something | Jan 16 17:47 |
| CrystalMath | actually, transphobia is more common in white countries than in asia, but homophobia is more common in asia | Jan 16 17:47 |
| DVulgaris | And it is very sad | Jan 16 17:47 |
| schestowitz | good luck as trans or gay in a country that is not white | Jan 16 17:47 |
| CrystalMath | it's different | Jan 16 17:48 |
| schestowitz | might not even survive one day | Jan 16 17:48 |
| DVulgaris | CrystalMath: Depends where in asia | Jan 16 17:48 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: it's easy to be trans in iran | Jan 16 17:48 |
| CrystalMath | they fund your transition | Jan 16 17:48 |
| CrystalMath | but if you're gay, you get killed | Jan 16 17:48 |
| DVulgaris | CrystalMath: That's because they're Shia | Jan 16 17:48 |
| Ariadne | CrystalMath: its the same broken thought process | Jan 16 17:48 |
| DVulgaris | Sunnis are much much worse | Jan 16 17:48 |
| DVulgaris | They'll kill them anyway | Jan 16 17:48 |
| Ariadne | anyway, bigotry of any kind should be rejected | Jan 16 17:48 |
| DVulgaris | Shia are generally "lighter" | Jan 16 17:48 |
| DVulgaris | But the West is allied with Sunnis | Jan 16 17:48 |
| DVulgaris | So | Jan 16 17:49 |
| DVulgaris | ... | Jan 16 17:49 |
| DVulgaris | Don't get me wrong though | Jan 16 17:49 |
| DVulgaris | Both are shit | Jan 16 17:49 |
| Ariadne | suicide rate with trans people is largely driven by lack of opportunity | Jan 16 17:49 |
| DVulgaris | And discrimination I think | Jan 16 17:49 |
| DVulgaris | More like isolation probably | Jan 16 17:49 |
| CrystalMath | it's possible that dysphoria is permanent | Jan 16 17:50 |
| DVulgaris | It can be permanent in other cases | Jan 16 17:50 |
| CrystalMath | and the trauma of being born in the wrong body is unrecoverable | Jan 16 17:50 |
| Ariadne | it is mostly the discrimination | Jan 16 17:50 |
| DVulgaris | Exactly | Jan 16 17:50 |
| DVulgaris | I think the "permanent dysphoria" is just a minority | Jan 16 17:50 |
| Ariadne | trans people, even "passing" post-op trans people are at risk of having their career destroyed at any time | Jan 16 17:51 |
| Ariadne | if only white men were in such a situation (oh wait, that's why they hate #MeToo) | Jan 16 17:51 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: you should never wish for anyone else to be in such a situation | Jan 16 17:51 |
| CrystalMath | i *really* hate that | Jan 16 17:52 |
| Ariadne | i don't | Jan 16 17:52 |
| CrystalMath | and i am proud of myself, that many times i have suffered an injustice, i *never* wished for someone else to suffer it too | Jan 16 17:52 |
| Ariadne | i am just saying that trans people do not know the same level of career stability that white men do. | Jan 16 17:52 |
| Ariadne | and, white men hate #MeToo for this reason: it places their career stability at risk | Jan 16 17:53 |
| CrystalMath | i hate #MeToo because it's unfair | Jan 16 17:53 |
| CrystalMath | i don't think it places career stability at risk | Jan 16 17:53 |
| CrystalMath | or at least, i don't think that far, when something is unfair, it deserves to be hated | Jan 16 17:54 |
| CrystalMath | just by its principle | Jan 16 17:54 |
| Ariadne | you don't? because #MeToo has certainly demolished a lot of careers | Jan 16 17:54 |
| Ariadne | and i have had people tell me "they hope they don't get #MeToo'd" | Jan 16 17:54 |
| DVulgaris | It just reverses what is accepted in terms of justice | Jan 16 17:54 |
| CrystalMath | similarly, i'm opposed to all kinds of discrimination, even reverse discrimination | Jan 16 17:54 |
| DVulgaris | One should be innocent until proven guilty | Jan 16 17:54 |
| DVulgaris | Not the other way around | Jan 16 17:54 |
| CrystalMath | absolutely! the presumption of innocence is the most important thing | Jan 16 17:55 |
| DVulgaris | I mean, look at what they've done to RMS | Jan 16 17:55 |
| schestowitz | what is metoo in this context? | Jan 16 17:55 |
| CrystalMath | the most important thing ever, and it must apply to EVERY court, even the court of public opinion | Jan 16 17:55 |
| schestowitz | I think someone mistakes it for affirmative action and quotas | Jan 16 17:55 |
| schestowitz | not the same thing at all | Jan 16 17:55 |
| Ariadne | i think what happened to RMS is bullshit, but he could have more eloquently defended Minsky (who was one of my favorite professors) | Jan 16 17:55 |
| DVulgaris | Ariadne: I think he's just on the autism spectrum | Jan 16 17:55 |
| Ariadne | yes, but even autistics can learn to react tactically | Jan 16 17:56 |
| DVulgaris | True | Jan 16 17:56 |
| schestowitz | his reaction was not bad | Jan 16 17:56 |
| schestowitz | reaction to his email was bad | Jan 16 17:56 |
| schestowitz | and based on lying pieces | Jan 16 17:56 |
| CrystalMath | honestly, there's nothing that RMS said that was bad | Jan 16 17:56 |
| Ariadne | it was not great | Jan 16 17:56 |
| schestowitz | like sjvn's | Jan 16 17:56 |
| CrystalMath | he's totally right about everything | Jan 16 17:56 |
| schestowitz | people seeing headlines like this http://techrights.org/2020/09/10/sjvn-senior-moment/ | Jan 16 17:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | One Year Later Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols’ Libel Against Richard Stallman Remains Online and Uncorrected at ZDNet | Techrights | Jan 16 17:56 | |
| schestowitz | he reaction to his reaction wasn't too bad | Jan 16 17:56 |
| CrystalMath | i mean people should realize that the AoC is not greater than 17 in 95% of the world | Jan 16 17:56 |
| schestowitz | he apologised to those who misunderstood | Jan 16 17:57 |
| schestowitz | but people kept flinging libel at him | Jan 16 17:57 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: i am subscribed to the list in question. he said some things that were taken out of context, because he did not think through what he wanted to say before saying it. | Jan 16 17:57 |
| schestowitz | like this http://techrights.org/2020/09/10/the-fake-door-sign/ | Jan 16 17:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Fake ‘Door Sign’ Used to Frame Richard Stallman and Misrepresent Him One Year Ago (the Media Never Corrected This Slanderous Allegation) | Techrights | Jan 16 17:57 | |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: like what? | Jan 16 17:57 |
| schestowitz | They never even deleted any of these defamatory "tweets" | Jan 16 17:57 |
| schestowitz | because they had gone "viral" and earned them points (for libel) | Jan 16 17:57 |
| Ariadne | well, for one, he argued that even if Minsky accepted the massage and happy ending from an underage girl on Epstein's private island, that this is fine because it wasn't a little kid | Jan 16 17:58 |
| schestowitz | CrystalMath: yes, i want to see examples, too | Jan 16 17:58 |
| schestowitz | he did not say this | Jan 16 17:58 |
| schestowitz | that I know of | Jan 16 17:58 |
| Ariadne | he did | Jan 16 17:58 |
| CrystalMath | yeah he really didn't say it like that | Jan 16 17:58 |
| schestowitz | unless there are messages that were not published | Jan 16 17:58 |
| schestowitz | show me with a link | Jan 16 17:58 |
| Ariadne | i am paraphrasing, but | Jan 16 17:58 |
| schestowitz | I need to see the oroiginal | Jan 16 17:59 |
| CrystalMath | i think RMS's point was that he could have thought she was 18 easily | Jan 16 17:59 |
| schestowitz | he had said in his blog things about 16 year olds having sex | Jan 16 17:59 |
| Ariadne | yes, i get that | Jan 16 17:59 |
| schestowitz | which is legal in most states by the way | Jan 16 17:59 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: which is legal in 90% of the world | Jan 16 17:59 |
| schestowitz | in italy they go even lower | Jan 16 17:59 |
| Ariadne | anyway | Jan 16 17:59 |
| CrystalMath | in china they go lower (14) | Jan 16 17:59 |
| CrystalMath | in most of europe | Jan 16 17:59 |
| Ariadne | the point is, he reacted emotionally | Jan 16 17:59 |
| CrystalMath | all of latin america | Jan 16 17:59 |
| Ariadne | instead of writing a thought out response | Jan 16 17:59 |
| schestowitz | the response the media attacked him for was distorted | Jan 16 18:00 |
| schestowitz | he made a few valid point | Jan 16 18:00 |
| schestowitz | some that might upset someone | Jan 16 18:00 |
| schestowitz | not that it's a crime to upset someone | Jan 16 18:00 |
| schestowitz | esp. picking on or nitpicking the term "assault" | Jan 16 18:00 |
| Ariadne | anyway, i find it unlikely that Minsky even accepted the massage + happy ending offer | Jan 16 18:00 |
| DVulgaris | Though, in the eyes of the mob | Jan 16 18:00 |
| schestowitz | the worst media did was spin the word "willing" | Jan 16 18:00 |
| DVulgaris | It is a crime to upset someone | Jan 16 18:00 |
| CrystalMath | DVulgaris: the mob is STUPID, i talked to them | Jan 16 18:01 |
| DVulgaris | The mob is stupid - by definition | Jan 16 18:01 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: his wife denies it | Jan 16 18:01 |
| schestowitz | posthumously | Jan 16 18:01 |
| CrystalMath | they actually did not know that in 70% of the world a 90yo can legally have sex with a 15yo | Jan 16 18:01 |
| schestowitz | and she's a person of honour | Jan 16 18:01 |
| Ariadne | well, of course she would :P | Jan 16 18:01 |
| schestowitz | but who knows... | Jan 16 18:01 |
| CrystalMath | when i showed them proof they shut up | Jan 16 18:01 |
| Ariadne | anyway, something that made it worse for RMS is | Jan 16 18:01 |
| Ariadne | that response pissed off some allies of Minsky | Jan 16 18:01 |
| schestowitz | CrystalMath: I think she was 17 at the time, can't remember though | Jan 16 18:02 |
| DVulgaris | Though, I will note that the US still has these crazy puritan views on a lot of things | Jan 16 18:02 |
| schestowitz | and if she was a 18-y-o student of his from MIT, then fine? | Jan 16 18:02 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: yeah, that would make it 95% of the world | Jan 16 18:02 |
| Ariadne | because instead of just saying the truth -- that no such offer was accepted, he tried to defend accepting such an offer that was never accepted in the first place | Jan 16 18:02 |
| CrystalMath | DVulgaris: even in the US, in 80% of it, it's fine | Jan 16 18:02 |
| DVulgaris | I know | Jan 16 18:02 |
| Ariadne | so it was offensive from multiple angles | Jan 16 18:02 |
| Ariadne | first, he threw Minsky under the bus while trying to defend him | Jan 16 18:03 |
| schestowitz | he did not | Jan 16 18:03 |
| schestowitz | it was a hypothetical statement | Jan 16 18:03 |
| schestowitz | anyway, they lost sight of the Gates scandal | Jan 16 18:03 |
| CrystalMath | personally i consider the AoC to be a hard limit, and people should generally go for higher themselves | Jan 16 18:03 |
| schestowitz | I even told RMS a week earlier | Jan 16 18:03 |
| Ariadne | yes, well, it was a hypothetical statement that many people took as him throwing Minsky under the bus | Jan 16 18:03 |
| CrystalMath | but the law only goes after people who cross that line | Jan 16 18:03 |
| schestowitz | that it looked to me like a distraction from Billie Goat | Jan 16 18:03 |
| schestowitz | Bill did vastly worse things | Jan 16 18:04 |
| schestowitz | than what Minsky was ACCUSED fo doing | Jan 16 18:04 |
| schestowitz | RMS was never the scandal | Jan 16 18:04 |
| schestowitz | he wrote an email about a mate who had died | Jan 16 18:04 |
| schestowitz | and could not defend himself directly | Jan 16 18:04 |
| schestowitz | so it's totally ludicrous | Jan 16 18:04 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/01/10/gates-sponsored-mit/ | Jan 16 18:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Massachusetts Institute of Tall Tales (MIT) Covers Up Bill Gates Bribery of MIT Through a High-Profile Pedophile, Citing No Evidence Other Than Representatives of Gates Himself | Techrights | Jan 16 18:04 | |
| Ariadne | well anyway, it was an emotionally charged situation regardless | Jan 16 18:05 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/09/28/non-denying-and-false-denials/ | Jan 16 18:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Speaking Through Spokespeople is a Sign of Weakness, Such as Non-Denying and False Denials (or: Bill Gates Never Denied His Connections to MIT Through Jeffrey Epstein) | Techrights | Jan 16 18:05 | |
| Ariadne | sometimes leadership requires that you think about things before doing them | Jan 16 18:05 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/08/11/whistleblower-aid-gates-mit-epstein/ | Jan 16 18:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Whistleblower Aid Already Showed Cover-up of Bill Gates ‘Contributions’ to MIT | Techrights | Jan 16 18:05 | |
| Ariadne | yes yes, bill gates, blah blah blah | Jan 16 18:05 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/05/27/joi-ito-email/ | Jan 16 18:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Joi Ito Already Admitted on the Record That Bill Gates Had Paid MIT Through Jeffrey Epstein | Techrights | Jan 16 18:05 | |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: it's a bit deal | Jan 16 18:05 |
| Ariadne | why would bill gates pay MIT through epstein | Jan 16 18:05 |
| schestowitz | belittling it like josh gay did isn't helping | Jan 16 18:06 |
| CrystalMath | i suppose he did kinda throw Minsky under the bus, but we should be coaching RMS to be a little less protective of people, not mroe | Jan 16 18:06 |
| schestowitz | controbutes to the idea that FSF wants to throw its own founder under a buss | Jan 16 18:06 |
| schestowitz | while helping to cover up for real villains | Jan 16 18:06 |
| Ariadne | CrystalMath: i have no objection to his intent there, just the way in which he did it | Jan 16 18:06 |
| CrystalMath | people have been bothering RMS about this stuff for decades | Jan 16 18:06 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: the timing matters | Jan 16 18:06 |
| Ariadne | and, as i've said, i think it is bullshit that they went after him for *that* | Jan 16 18:06 |
| Ariadne | anyway | Jan 16 18:06 |
| schestowitz | the media connected to Gates' friend started off the mob lyncg | Jan 16 18:06 |
| CrystalMath | he's been surrounded by these crazy puritans, telling him that women need to be protected just because they're women (which is anti-gender equality) | Jan 16 18:06 |
| schestowitz | a week or so after the media was after Gates over the MIT thing | Jan 16 18:07 |
| CrystalMath | and over time he accepted some of their insane views | Jan 16 18:07 |
| Ariadne | (1) why would bill gates give money to MIT through a third party (Epstein) ? | Jan 16 18:07 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2019/12/21/police-report-bill-gates/ | Jan 16 18:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Mansion of Pedophilia – Part II: Dr. Stallman Defamed in the Media One Day After Request Made for King County Sheriff’s Office to Divulge Information About Pedophilia in Home of Bill Gates | Techrights | Jan 16 18:07 | |
| Ariadne | (2) why wouldn't gates just give money to MIT directly | Jan 16 18:07 |
| Ariadne | and, go | Jan 16 18:07 |
| schestowitz | read on | Jan 16 18:08 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: those people that RMS surrounded himself with actually told me that women are "wearker, lesser" | Jan 16 18:08 |
| CrystalMath | that's bullcrap of the highest order | Jan 16 18:08 |
| CrystalMath | *weaker | Jan 16 18:08 |
| Ariadne | none of these links explain to me why gates would launder money for MIT through epstein | Jan 16 18:08 |
| schestowitz | Ito already said it had happened | Jan 16 18:08 |
| schestowitz | I'm not going to start refuting actual emails FROM MIT ADMINS! | Jan 16 18:08 |
| schestowitz | Several of them | Jan 16 18:08 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: it's those people like Bradley Kuhn that are the problem | Jan 16 18:08 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: i don't doubt it happened, i am just asking why | Jan 16 18:09 |
| Ariadne | because that's a far juicier story, don't you think? | Jan 16 18:09 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: they're all SWERFs, and former TERFs | Jan 16 18:09 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: look back at the jail visits | Jan 16 18:09 |
| schestowitz | and what they sought to accomplish | Jan 16 18:09 |
| schestowitz | after his imprisonment | Jan 16 18:09 |
| schestowitz | and after Gates flew with him | Jan 16 18:09 |
| Ariadne | i'm just asking -- if i were gates, why wouldn't i just give money to MIT directly | Jan 16 18:09 |
| schestowitz | they did that too | Jan 16 18:09 |
| schestowitz | read the emails | Jan 16 18:10 |
| schestowitz | they asked for secrecy | Jan 16 18:10 |
| schestowitz | and needed a mule | Jan 16 18:10 |
| schestowitz | for PR reasons | Jan 16 18:10 |
| schestowitz | not the first time passing money via proxies | Jan 16 18:10 |
| Ariadne | CrystalMath: do you have any citations re: bkuhn being a TERF/SWERF? | Jan 16 18:10 |
| Ariadne | i'm curious to know more | Jan 16 18:11 |
| Ariadne | alpine is looking into changing its organizational structure, and conservancy was discussed as a possible option. if conservancy leadership holds values like that, however, it would be problematic | Jan 16 18:11 |
| schestowitz | this is the sole issue? | Jan 16 18:12 |
| schestowitz | not sfc taking ms cash? | Jan 16 18:12 |
| schestowitz | selling them keynotes? | Jan 16 18:12 |
| Ariadne | hey if MS wants to give me cash, i'm not going to say no | Jan 16 18:12 |
| Ariadne | as long as it is no strings attached | Jan 16 18:12 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: he isn't a TERF anymore, but he was around in the early 2000s, when they rejected a transwoman's job application because "her appearance was weird" | Jan 16 18:12 |
| schestowitz | there are | Jan 16 18:12 |
| schestowitz | keynotes | Jan 16 18:12 |
| Ariadne | alpine bullied microsoft into joining OIN, which was pretty hilarious :) | Jan 16 18:13 |
| schestowitz | they keep extorting | Jan 16 18:13 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: his SWERFdom is visible on his blog | Jan 16 18:13 |
| schestowitz | it was a pr ploy | Jan 16 18:13 |
| schestowitz | months later a patent lawsuit | Jan 16 18:14 |
| schestowitz | 5 months latter iitc | Jan 16 18:14 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: yeah i am not surprised they aren't committing to a spirit of abolishing software patents | Jan 16 18:14 |
| Ariadne | hince "hilarious" being my description of that accomplishmnt | Jan 16 18:14 |
| schestowitz | oin became bad too | Jan 16 18:14 |
| schestowitz | after their grace period | Jan 16 18:14 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: evidence here: http://ebb.org/bkuhn/blog/2019/10/15/fsf-rms.html | Jan 16 18:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ebb.org | On Recent Controversial Events - Bradley M. Kuhn ( Brad ) ( bkuhn ) | Jan 16 18:14 | |
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| Ariadne | OIN has been bad from day 1, because they advance a narrative that software patents are legitimate | Jan 16 18:15 |
| schestowitz | but... | Jan 16 18:15 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: Bradley Kuhn lists a series of RMS political posts that he considers harmful | Jan 16 18:15 |
| schestowitz | benefit of doubt | Jan 16 18:15 |
| schestowitz | +palmisano | Jan 16 18:15 |
| CrystalMath | one of which is this: https://web.archive.org/web/20191011023557/https://stallman.org/archives/2019-jul-oct.html#21_September_2019_(Sex_workers) | Jan 16 18:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | 2019: July - October Political Notes - Richard Stallman | Jan 16 18:15 | |
| Ariadne | CrystalMath: got it | Jan 16 18:15 |
| CrystalMath | "Today's Sex Workers, Like Their Victorian Sisters, Don't Want "saving". Feminism today is drifting off the track into a campaign of prudery that harms everyone, except those who are asexual." | Jan 16 18:16 |
| CrystalMath | "When the escalation started, I still considered RMS both a friend and colleague, and I attempted to argue with him at length to convince him that some of his positions were harmful to sexual assault survivors and those who are *sex-trafficked*, and to the people who devote their lives in service to such individuals." -- Bradley Kuhn himself (emphasis mine) | Jan 16 18:17 |
| CrystalMath | he believes that sex workers are necessarily sex trafficked and need to be protected for their own good, and cannot decide for themselves | Jan 16 18:17 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: it was a symbolic concession, obviously. but we wanted some sort of concession to allow them to use alpine's name and marks in windows store. | Jan 16 18:17 |
| CrystalMath | which is typical of idiots who also want the AoC to be positive infinity | Jan 16 18:17 |
| Ariadne | which is more than what debian or suse asked :) | Jan 16 18:18 |
| CrystalMath | this is enough to prove to me 100% that Bradley Kuhn is a SWERF, it's visible in his language | Jan 16 18:18 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: right: logo on a page :-) | Jan 16 18:18 |
| Ariadne | CrystalMath: yes, that is unfortunate | Jan 16 18:18 |
| schestowitz | but why even focus on that? | Jan 16 18:18 |
| schestowitz | I always found his smug | Jan 16 18:18 |
| schestowitz | and arrogant towards fellow FS proponents | Jan 16 18:19 |
| schestowitz | myself probably included | Jan 16 18:19 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: understanding the attitude of a person helps in understanding what interpersonal relations with that person may look like | Jan 16 18:19 |
| schestowitz | and many agreed with me when I pointed this out a decade ago | Jan 16 18:19 |
| schestowitz | he's not good with social aspects | Jan 16 18:19 |
| schestowitz | ar all | Jan 16 18:19 |
| schestowitz | *at | Jan 16 18:19 |
| schestowitz | anyone here found kuhn amicable? | Jan 16 18:19 |
| schestowitz | or amicable? | Jan 16 18:19 |
| schestowitz | Sandler is a lot nicer | Jan 16 18:19 |
| schestowitz | a bit of a "on a high horse", but... | Jan 16 18:20 |
| Ariadne | understanding what a relationship looks like ahead of time is important when discussing a distribution with non-trivial assets and a billion dollar ecosystem | Jan 16 18:20 |
| Ariadne | discussing stewardship of* | Jan 16 18:20 |
| schestowitz | I see... | Jan 16 18:20 |
| schestowitz | well, I lost faith in SFC 3 years ago | Jan 16 18:20 |
| schestowitz | all sorts of things that we covered happened | Jan 16 18:20 |
| Ariadne | one concern of mine is that SFC may take legal actions we don't consent to | Jan 16 18:20 |
| Ariadne | this is also a concern with SFLC/SPI | Jan 16 18:21 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: like which? | Jan 16 18:21 |
| schestowitz | I sympathised when Sandler was pushed out of LF | Jan 16 18:21 |
| schestowitz | now SFC is becoming more like LF | Jan 16 18:21 |
| Ariadne | CrystalMath: GPL enforcement | Jan 16 18:21 |
| CrystalMath | she can't do copyright enforcement without the power of attorney | Jan 16 18:22 |
| CrystalMath | unless the SFC is the copyright holder | Jan 16 18:22 |
| Ariadne | to join SFC, you grant them power of attorney | Jan 16 18:22 |
| CrystalMath | really? that sounds horrible | Jan 16 18:22 |
| Ariadne | anyway, it is most likely that alpine will remain independent, possibly as a societas europaea | Jan 16 18:22 |
| CrystalMath | can you leave? | Jan 16 18:22 |
| CrystalMath | also, you can always give people a BSD license | Jan 16 18:23 |
| CrystalMath | making the trial a guaranteed loss | Jan 16 18:23 |
| CrystalMath | damaging the SFC in the progress | Jan 16 18:23 |
| CrystalMath | *process | Jan 16 18:23 |
| Ariadne | that is not a relationship we would want to have with the steward of our resources | Jan 16 18:23 |
| CrystalMath | i absolutely oppose the SFC | Jan 16 18:24 |
| Ariadne | however, some projects in the alpine ecosystem are stewarded by linux foundation | Jan 16 18:24 |
| Ariadne | which is not great either | Jan 16 18:24 |
| schestowitz | What have they as lawyers accomplished anyway? | Jan 16 18:24 |
| schestowitz | the samba lawyers did more | Jan 16 18:24 |
| Ariadne | gpl-violations.org has been great news for VxWorks adoption :) | Jan 16 18:25 |
| CrystalMath | https://sfconservancy.org/projects/current/ | Jan 16 18:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sfconservancy.org | Current Projects - Software Freedom Conservancy | Jan 16 18:25 | |
| smnthermes | https://9to5linux.com/tails-anonymous-linux-os-wants-to-migrate-to-wayland-to-improve-app-security | Jan 16 18:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Tails Anonymous Linux OS Wants to Migrate to Wayland to Improve App Security - 9to5Linux | Jan 16 18:25 | |
| CrystalMath | this is a great list of projects to avoid™ | Jan 16 18:25 |
| CrystalMath | dammit, QEMU is there | Jan 16 18:26 |
| schestowitz | do they still hire techs? | Jan 16 18:26 |
| schestowitz | who can code? | Jan 16 18:26 |
| schestowitz | and DO they code? | Jan 16 18:26 |
| CrystalMath | oh my! i almost helped them | Jan 16 18:26 |
| CrystalMath | i will NOT submit that patch i had ready for qemu laying around | Jan 16 18:26 |
| CrystalMath | death to qemu | Jan 16 18:26 |
| schestowitz | seems to me like it's a fundrising thing with invoing for sponsorship and keynotes on sale now | Jan 16 18:26 |
| schestowitz | hey, google, wanna KEYNOTE? | Jan 16 18:26 |
| CrystalMath | death to wine, too | Jan 16 18:26 |
| CrystalMath | and death to inkscape, i'm gonna remove that crap | Jan 16 18:27 |
| schestowitz | doesn't reactos use wine? | Jan 16 18:28 |
| CrystalMath | yes, but i still hate it | Jan 16 18:28 |
| CrystalMath | i always refused to contribute to wine | Jan 16 18:28 |
| MinceR | death to reactos as well | Jan 16 18:28 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: no, it's not in the SFC | Jan 16 18:28 |
| CrystalMath | if my hatred of Karen Sandler keeps growing, i will start being anti-GPL too | Jan 16 18:28 |
| Ariadne | anyway, if alpine were to make a GPL enforcement action, we would want to be the ones making that decision | Jan 16 18:29 |
| CrystalMath | maybe i should just use the MIT license from now on | Jan 16 18:29 |
| MinceR | CrystalMath: it's still a reimplementation of a bad design :> | Jan 16 18:29 |
| Ariadne | and i don't think that is unreasonable | Jan 16 18:29 |
| CrystalMath | i would rather help Microsoft than Coraline Ada Ehmke | Jan 16 18:29 |
| Ariadne | Coraline is actually a nice person. have you ever talked to her? | Jan 16 18:29 |
| MinceR | who's forcing you to help either? | Jan 16 18:29 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: no, and i wouldn't want to, her ethical software movement is horrible | Jan 16 18:30 |
| CrystalMath | at least the proprietary software movement is honest | Jan 16 18:30 |
| MinceR | Ariadne: attacking free software projects is not a really nice thing to do, actually | Jan 16 18:30 |
| Ariadne | it is possible to have friendly conversation while disagreeing on some things | Jan 16 18:30 |
| CrystalMath | yeah i suppose she's probably not that bad to talk to | Jan 16 18:30 |
| CrystalMath | but there's still that strong disagreement | Jan 16 18:31 |
| CrystalMath | and the fact that i would sooner give money and code to microsoft than her movement | Jan 16 18:31 |
| Ariadne | it is valuable to get different points of view when exploring an issue | Jan 16 18:31 |
| CrystalMath | i'm sure Bill Gates is nice to talk to, too | Jan 16 18:31 |
| Ariadne | wouldn't know | Jan 16 18:31 |
| CrystalMath | we could play contract bridge | Jan 16 18:31 |
| CrystalMath | if we find 2 more players | Jan 16 18:31 |
| Ariadne | i vaguely remember my grandparents' windows for workgroups machine having a contract bridge game | Jan 16 18:32 |
| CrystalMath | (as a former member of the Bill Gates fan club, i know that's his favorite card game) | Jan 16 18:32 |
| MinceR | harassing free software developers so that SJWs get to control who gets to work on their code and who doesn't is even less of a nice thing to do | Jan 16 18:33 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: maybe it's my upbringing, but i would rather support a murderer than an overprotective parent figure | Jan 16 18:33 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: simply because i never had an abuser, just overprotective parents | Jan 16 18:33 |
| MinceR | i'd rather protect neither | Jan 16 18:33 |
| MinceR | neither deserve protection and it's less work for me | Jan 16 18:33 |
| CrystalMath | yeah but i mean, i'm more angry about being overprotected than abused | Jan 16 18:33 |
| Ariadne | anyway | Jan 16 18:34 |
| CrystalMath | okay yes i did say some crazy stuff just because i was angry... it happens | Jan 16 18:36 |
| Ariadne | i'm skeptical of all of those "we act as proxy steward for projects" things | Jan 16 18:38 |
| Ariadne | if you let them have a finger in the pie, they'll fuck up the pie given enough time | Jan 16 18:38 |
| *schestowitz has 50 cents | Jan 16 18:38 | |
| *schestowitz looks at OSI and LF | Jan 16 18:38 | |
| Ariadne | for smaller projects it makes sense, but not for something at distro scale imo | Jan 16 18:39 |
| MinceR | (cat) https://ircz.de/p/20071342 | Jan 16 18:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4751048) | Jan 16 18:39 | |
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| CrystalMath | MinceR: that's how i felt a while ago | Jan 16 18:40 |
| Ariadne | i wish activitypub were less verbose | Jan 16 18:40 |
| MinceR | like that cat? | Jan 16 18:40 |
| CrystalMath | yes | Jan 16 18:40 |
| CrystalMath | :P | Jan 16 18:40 |
| MinceR | :3 | Jan 16 18:40 |
| CrystalMath | isn't my logic great when i'm angry? i think Coraline is subverting the free software movement in favor of Bill Gates, so i'm going to help Bill Gates in order to get back at coraline | Jan 16 18:42 |
| Ariadne | 'ethical source' is basically an emotional reaction to the toolmakers' dilemma | Jan 16 18:42 |
| CrystalMath | i was angry a few days ago and wrote my own Unethical License | Jan 16 18:42 |
| Ariadne | i don't think copyright is an effective tool for this | Jan 16 18:42 |
| CrystalMath | it demands that you use the software for evil only | Jan 16 18:42 |
| Ariadne | i would prefer that people do not use my work to harm others, but the reality is, once it's out there, it's out there | Jan 16 18:43 |
| CrystalMath | i would prefer it if my software was used to harm others, especially that DOS emulator of mine | Jan 16 18:43 |
| Ariadne | instead, if you care about such things, the best way is to be vocal about it in your life | Jan 16 18:43 |
| CrystalMath | emulate the hell out of someone | Jan 16 18:43 |
| Ariadne | in other words, if i write an http server, i can't do anything about the KKK using it for their website | Jan 16 18:44 |
| Ariadne | but i can choose to not answer their inquiries | Jan 16 18:44 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/11/12/what-is-ncoc/ | Jan 16 18:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Codes of Conduct for Grown-ups | Techrights | Jan 16 18:45 | |
| schestowitz | CrystalMath: ^ | Jan 16 18:45 |
| Ariadne | the contributor covenant has one nice feature | Jan 16 18:45 |
| Ariadne | alt-right people see it and tend to go elsewhere | Jan 16 18:45 |
| Ariadne | for that reason alone, i have started using it | Jan 16 18:45 |
| CrystalMath | then i will write a CoC | Jan 16 18:46 |
| CrystalMath | which says that people must fight every day | Jan 16 18:46 |
| Ariadne | obviously, a document does not mean anything | Jan 16 18:46 |
| CrystalMath | FCCoC (Fight Club Code of Conduct) | Jan 16 18:46 |
| Ariadne | but if it makes alt-righters choose a different project | Jan 16 18:46 |
| Ariadne | that works for me ^_^ | Jan 16 18:46 |
| MinceR | Ariadne: not only altReich people avoid dealing with CoC-infested projects | Jan 16 18:46 |
| schestowitz | that makes coc look disingenuous | Jan 16 18:46 |
| CrystalMath | i'm going to fork your project and put up a fight club code of conduct | Jan 16 18:46 |
| schestowitz | reinforces the idea that it's a plot unrelated to software | Jan 16 18:46 |
| MinceR | CrystalMath: how do you define evil, though, as far as complying with the UL goes? | Jan 16 18:46 |
| schestowitz | but about excluding people | Jan 16 18:46 |
| Ariadne | well, i do indeed wish to exclude alt-right people | Jan 16 18:47 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: it's purposely left undefined, after all, it's more evil if i don't tell people | Jan 16 18:47 |
| Ariadne | but i would just ban them regardless from my tracker | Jan 16 18:47 |
| Ariadne | so :) | Jan 16 18:47 |
| schestowitz | coc does not do that | Jan 16 18:47 |
| CrystalMath | mwahahahahaha | Jan 16 18:47 |
| schestowitz | coc alienates people other than the right | Jan 16 18:47 |
| schestowitz | it excludes some older people | Jan 16 18:47 |
| schestowitz | who are not used to this kind of hammer | Jan 16 18:47 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: i'm seriously going to fork your projects, and put up a code of conduct that says "Be horrible to each other." | Jan 16 18:48 |
| MinceR | it also excludes people who do not like to be at the mercy of megacorporate bureaucrats | Jan 16 18:48 |
| MinceR | like in the case of Linux | Jan 16 18:48 |
| Ariadne | CrystalMath: go for it | Jan 16 18:48 |
| CrystalMath | the opposite of "Be excellent to each other." | Jan 16 18:48 |
| schestowitz | if you want to alienate fascists, use a rainbow for project logo | Jan 16 18:48 |
| MinceR | and the Microsoft Linux Foundation | Jan 16 18:48 |
| schestowitz | coc is not the right brush | Jan 16 18:48 |
| schestowitz | too broad | Jan 16 18:48 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: eh, that won't alienate me | Jan 16 18:48 |
| CrystalMath | and i love hatred | Jan 16 18:48 |
| CrystalMath | i'm not conservative though | Jan 16 18:48 |
| MinceR | 16 194818 < schestowitz> if you want to alienate fascists, use a rainbow for project logo | Jan 16 18:48 |
| MinceR | nice idea | Jan 16 18:48 |
| MinceR | though it might not fit with all projects :> | Jan 16 18:49 |
| schestowitz | use antifa logo | Jan 16 18:49 |
| schestowitz | they hate people who oppose what they are | Jan 16 18:49 |
| Ariadne | i'll just embed 'always' by erasure on the project website and have it play in a loop until it gets DMCA'd | Jan 16 18:50 |
| Ariadne | ;) | Jan 16 18:50 |
| CrystalMath | eh, but if it's about a real antifa, not the one that destroys the businesses of poor black people, then what is there to dislike about it? | Jan 16 18:50 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: i love that song | Jan 16 18:50 |
| CrystalMath | years ago, i have considered making The Prodigy's Smack My Bitch Up to be the official theme song of my projects, just to get people who can't take bad words away from it | Jan 16 18:51 |
| CrystalMath | because i don't want people who can't withstand a good mental beating (not physical, since i can't withstand that either) | Jan 16 18:52 |
| CrystalMath | it's okay to be physically weak, but it's not okay to be mentally weak | Jan 16 18:52 |
| Ariadne | heh | Jan 16 18:53 |
| CrystalMath | maybe there could also be a bot that prints lots of alt-right stuff, as a hazing test | Jan 16 18:54 |
| CrystalMath | if you survive that, you pass | Jan 16 18:54 |
| CrystalMath | oh, but there must also be a bot that prints socialist stuff | Jan 16 18:54 |
| CrystalMath | to clear the mentally weak on the other side as well | Jan 16 18:55 |
| Ariadne | anyway | Jan 16 18:55 |
| Ariadne | time to write some code to mutate RDF collections | Jan 16 18:55 |
| MinceR | you could combine them by having a bot that prints national socialist stuff | Jan 16 18:55 |
| Ariadne | WHAT FUN | Jan 16 18:55 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: yeah but then it will sound either crazy or very specific | Jan 16 18:55 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: i need to expose people to totally extreme different viewpoints | Jan 16 18:55 |
| MinceR | 1 5-line swastika comes up every minute. what could possibly go wrong? | Jan 16 18:55 |
| Ariadne | just train a markov generator on trump's twitter feed | Jan 16 18:55 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: but i need the other side, as well | Jan 16 18:56 |
| CrystalMath | because i only want centrists | Jan 16 18:56 |
| CrystalMath | i want to chase away anyone who is polarized on either side | Jan 16 18:56 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: i liked Unfettered Freedom episode 11, is that the same guy as DistroTube? | Jan 16 18:57 |
| MinceR | i wonder if the bot would be called TriggerBot | Jan 16 18:57 |
| CrystalMath | but even if someone has an extreme opinion, it's still okay if they're not easily triggered | Jan 16 18:59 |
| CrystalMath | like if they can listen to other opinions and survive | Jan 16 18:59 |
| CrystalMath | because i believe in not discriminating by opinions | Jan 16 18:59 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheating_in_online_games#Aimbots_and_triggerbots | Jan 16 19:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Cheating in online games - Wikipedia | Jan 16 19:00 | |
| CrystalMath | ah, i didn't know that was a thing | Jan 16 19:00 |
| MinceR | :) | Jan 16 19:01 |
| CrystalMath | i think i'm getting a migraine | Jan 16 19:01 |
| schestowitz | [18:59] <CrystalMath> because i believe in not discriminating by opinions | Jan 16 19:02 |
| schestowitz | I just did a video about Mozilla | Jan 16 19:02 |
| schestowitz | very slow to upload | Jan 16 19:02 |
| schestowitz | about 10mb/hour | Jan 16 19:02 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: that's not hard to do.. | Jan 16 19:03 |
| XRevan86 | https://smbc-comics.com/comic/bad-things | Jan 16 19:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Bad Things | Jan 16 19:07 | |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 16 19:07 |
| MinceR | baby-eating ftw | Jan 16 19:08 |
| MinceR | http://www.gutenberg.org/files/1080/1080-h/1080-h.htm | Jan 16 19:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gutenberg.org | A Modest Proposal, by Jonathan Swift | Jan 16 19:08 | |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: so now you know how much i hate the easily triggered; it's a good thing that i wasn't easily triggered into saying all those things, right? | Jan 16 19:12 |
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| MinceR | lol | Jan 16 19:13 |
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| kingoffrance | https://definitions.uslegal.com/c/code-of-conduct/ A code of conduct is a set of rules governing proper manner of conducting oneself as part of an organization. It is similar to a code of ethics. <-- as i pointed out before, legal == rules, form, letter of law no "morals" there. | Jan 16 19:15 |
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| kingoffrance | law has morals, legal stuff does not | Jan 16 19:15 |
| kingoffrance | its dead letter look for loopholes murder the spirit | Jan 16 19:15 |
| kingoffrance | any legal stuff pretending to be moral is a non-sequitor | Jan 16 19:16 |
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| kingoffrance | morals are only possible when there is a concept of spirit. not a checklist of things to tick off | Jan 16 19:19 |
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| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/18/849514d859c600f4.jpg | Jan 16 19:36 |
| kingoffrance | and once you have "spirit of the law" that is something preceding any written law/codes/rules, something higher, something that might generate the letter of the law. and allow breaking the letter/rules. | Jan 16 19:40 |
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| kingoffrance | that is what is meant by the distinction | Jan 16 19:41 |
| kingoffrance | why there has to be that separation | Jan 16 19:41 |
| kingoffrance | else you get the code can do no wrong, is infallible, etc. | Jan 16 19:41 |
| MinceR | the spirit is fallible as well | Jan 16 19:42 |
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| schestowitz | the OSI infiltrators would say, UN is morals | Jan 16 20:16 |
| schestowitz | (yes, same UN that puts Saudi Barbaria in key chairs) | Jan 16 20:17 |
| MinceR | and the same UN that attacked the entire IT industry with the WIPO Copyright Treaty | Jan 16 20:20 |
| schestowitz | of just WIPO | Jan 16 20:21 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Jan 16 20:27 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Jan 16 20:27 | |
| techrights-bot | #FreeSpeech on the Web Not Respected by Companies That Used to Support #SoftwareFreedom • 𝓣𝓮𝓬𝓱𝓻𝓲𝓰𝓱𝓽𝓼 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2021/01/16/neutral-browsers/ •●• #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Jan 16 20:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Free Speech on the Web Not Respected by Companies That Used to Support Software Freedom | Techrights | Jan 16 20:48 | |
| techrights-bot | #IPEC is a court named after a misnomer, "AYE PEE"; this is a #copyright case, so speak of #copyrights rather than mythology associated with it (or made up by cartels and their zealots) http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/01/guest-post-unsung-florence-foster.html | Jan 16 20:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | [Guest post] Unsung Florence Foster Jenkins screenwriter is entitled to joint authorship share - The IPKat | Jan 16 20:51 | |
| techrights-bot | Scorewriter #MuseScore 3.6 Released with New Fonts, Improvements • 🆃🆄🆇 🅼🅰🅲🅷🅸🅽🅴🆂 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146552 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/01/16/#latest | Jan 16 20:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Scorewriter MuseScore 3.6 Released with New Fonts, Improvements | Tux Machines | Jan 16 20:55 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: OR just WIPO, in general http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/WIPO | Jan 16 20:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | WIPO - Techrights | Jan 16 20:55 | |
| techrights-bot | Measuring one's (or your) age by how long you're been used or enslaved by a #socialcontrolmedia venture of Saudis and megalomaniacs with malicious agenda... https://popey.com/blog/2021/01/13th-twitterversary/ | Jan 16 20:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-popey.com | 13th Twitter-versary · | Jan 16 20:57 | |
| techrights-bot | Wine pops cork on version 6.0 of the #Windows compatibility layer http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146470#comment-27829 #gnu #linux | Jan 16 21:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Wine 6.0 Officially Released with Vulkan Backend for WineD3D, This Is What’s New | Tux Machines | Jan 16 21:03 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | What happened in South Africa has been an ongoing tragedy for many decades. | Jan 16 21:06 |
| techrights-bot | Some of these are #proprietarysoftware , which #GNU / #Linux do not need for any practical reason https://www.how2shout.com/linux/5-best-free-pdf-editors-for-ubuntu-linux-in-2021/ | Jan 16 21:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.how2shout.com | 5 Best free PDF editors for Ubuntu Linux in 2021 - Linux Shout | Jan 16 21:06 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | The apartheid government fell (good), it was said that instead of vendetta that they would all figure out how to get along somehow under the new government (good), and then that's not what happened. | Jan 16 21:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The new government turned into a kleptocracy that accuses white people who are citizens of "stealing land" and seizes productive farm land and doesn't use it for anything, and turns the other way while people are being murdered. | Jan 16 21:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | (So, things came full circle.) | Jan 16 21:07 |
| techrights-bot | Transition from #Thunderbird to #Mutt https://abhijithpa.me/2021/transition-from-thunderbird-to-mutt/ I've long wondered about doing something such as this... | Jan 16 21:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-abhijithpa.me | Transition from Thunderbird to Mutt | Jan 16 21:07 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Burgeoning kleptocracy." is a term used to describe the state of Illinois from a "racist publication" that the SPLC tracks, based in Roanoke, Indiana. | Jan 16 21:09 |
| techrights-bot | "When cars become so smart [sic] that they starve themselves. [...] this shortage is due to pushing useless or harmful stuff." https://stop.zona-m.net/2021/01/the-unneeded-shortage-of-semiconductors-for-cars/ | Jan 16 21:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stop.zona-m.net | The unneeded shortage of semiconductors for cars | Stop at Zona-M | Jan 16 21:09 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | And on that point, I must agree. Public "workers" have gotten so powerful that the state just ignores the good of the public, takes their earnings, and shovels 2-3 times what these public workers should earn into their hands. | Jan 16 21:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Knowing that a lot of it will end up back in Democratic Party coffers. | Jan 16 21:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They can go back and market themselves to welfare cases and public "workers" and get all the votes they need that way. | Jan 16 21:10 |
| techrights-bot | #Java Built-In Functional Interfaces Cheatsheet and Examples http://knowledgebasement.com/java-built-in-functional-interfaces-cheatsheet-and-examples/ #programming | Jan 16 21:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-knowledgebasement.com | Java Built-In Functional Interfaces Cheatsheet and Examples | | Jan 16 21:10 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: And of course, this can go on forever as businesses and private sector workers go "It's beginning to look a lot like fuck this." and skip across the border. | Jan 16 21:11 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 16 21:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But the Democrats see that as a bonus. The productive people aren't interested in voting for them anyway, and the state empties out of those people before the ponzi falls apart. | Jan 16 21:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then the state is broken mess full of people who can't get welfare or pensions anymore after the sovereign default, but hey at least there's no Republicans. | Jan 16 21:13 |
| techrights-bot | Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 🆃🆄🆇 🅼🅰🅲🅷🅸🅽🅴🆂 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146553 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/01/16/#latest | Jan 16 21:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Jan 16 21:13 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | And the first people to empty out of Chicago are the ones who were earning six or seven figures and can get up and go anywhere they want, just like people were warned of. | Jan 16 21:13 |
| schestowitz | debt too big | Jan 16 21:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Before the virus, it was looking like the state might actually survive its problems because it had an advanced and diversified private sector economy. | Jan 16 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Biden wants to shell out another 1.9 trillion | Jan 16 21:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And we'd all just muddle along somehow. | Jan 16 21:14 |
| schestowitz | that'll be more like Trump, or 10 trillion extra debt in less than 5 years | Jan 16 21:14 |
| schestowitz | you cannot run at a deficit that huge | Jan 16 21:14 |
| techrights-ipfs | ▕ IPFS downstream, 45 mins: ▃▅▃▂▂▄▃▂▂▃▃▂▃▂▃▃▁▂▂▅▃▃▃▅▃▃▄▇▃▂▁▃▃▅▄▂▃▅▃▄▃▃▄▅▂▂▃▃ ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▂▆▃▁▁▂▃▄▂▂▂▃▂▃▂▃▂▃▃▂▃▂▂▃▂▃▂▂▂▂▃▂▂▃▂▂▂▁▂▂▂▂▁▂▃▂▁▄▃▁▃▃ ⟲ | Jan 16 21:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now the tax base is gone, the public debt is so bad that only the Federal Reserve will loan Illinois money at rates below what Russia can get, and the party is just about over. | Jan 16 21:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: If the Fed won't keep loaning Illinois money, the scam falls apart in about 6 months maybe. | Jan 16 21:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And since its shareholders are private bankers who have no interest in propping up a failed state, how long will this go on? | Jan 16 21:16 |
| techrights-bot | #KDE e.V. board meeting January 2021 | [bobulate] ⇨ https://euroquis.nl//kde/2021/01/16/kdeev.html •●• #euroquis | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/01/16/#latest | Jan 16 21:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-euroquis.nl | KDE e.V. board meeting January 2021 | [bobulate] | Jan 16 21:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Jan 16 21:16 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | My guess is the Municipal Liquidity Fund (which only Illinois tapped before it expired last month) was set up so an entire state wouldn't go bust leading into an election. | Jan 16 21:16 |
| techrights-bot | #KDE #OSM Indoor Map Demo App ⇨ https://www.volkerkrause.eu/2021/01/16/kde-osm-indoor-map-demo-app.html •●• #volkerkrause | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/01/16/#latest | Jan 16 21:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.volkerkrause.eu | KDE OSM Indoor Map Demo App | Jan 16 21:17 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Governor borrowed $2.5 billion more dollars, which doesn't even cover the projected $4 billion deficit for the state this year. | Jan 16 21:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This is worse than anyone wants to admit. | Jan 16 21:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | $1.9 trillion will make little difference, schestowitz | Jan 16 21:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Remember that's spread out over an entire country where the economy is basically ruined at this point. | Jan 16 21:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | $2 trillion was barely enough for the Great Recession and Obama even said it turned out to be not enough. | Jan 16 21:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | $2 trillion in 2009 only replaced about 35% of lost GDP that year, iirc. | Jan 16 21:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And deficit spending causes problems to crop up elsewhere. Inflation, creditors being alarmed, etc. | Jan 16 21:20 |
| techrights-bot | #FreeBSD October-December 2020 Status Report • 🆃🆄🆇 🅼🅰🅲🅷🅸🅽🅴🆂 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146554 •●• #BSD #UNIX | Jan 16 21:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | FreeBSD October-December 2020 Status Report | Tux Machines | Jan 16 21:20 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's a ridiculous idea, and of course all of the usual suspects like Robert Rubin are back again to tell us how great it is. | Jan 16 21:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So much better than taxing Musk, Bezos, Cook, Zuckerberg, and Gates. | Jan 16 21:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: How much more can they whip out Robert Rubin and Larry Summers? | Jan 16 21:21 |
| techrights-bot | #GhostBSD 21.01.15 Release Notes • 🆃🆄🆇 🅼🅰🅲🅷🅸🅽🅴🆂 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146555 •●• #BSD #UNIX | Jan 16 21:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GhostBSD 21.01.15 Release Notes | Tux Machines | Jan 16 21:23 | |
| techrights-bot | #KDE : On KDE e.V., #OSM , and #SoK • 🆃🆄🆇 🅼🅰🅲🅷🅸🅽🅴🆂 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146556 •●• #GNU #Linux | Jan 16 21:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE: On KDE e.V., OSM, and SoK | Tux Machines | Jan 16 21:25 | |
| techrights-bot | #PinePower 120W desktop power supply features display, USB PD, QC 3.0 and wireless charging http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146533#comment-27830 overcompilcating simple things to sell gimmicks? | Jan 16 21:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PinePhone Mobian, Librem 14, and More | Tux Machines | Jan 16 21:29 | |
| schestowitz | [21:18] <DaemonFC[m]> $1.9 trillion will make little difference, schestowitz | Jan 16 21:33 |
| schestowitz | UBI might help, but... | Jan 16 21:33 |
| schestowitz | that works for rich states | Jan 16 21:33 |
| schestowitz | not state of the rich | Jan 16 21:33 |
| schestowitz | as in, controlled by few rich people | Jan 16 21:33 |
| schestowitz | in fact, in such states, UBI would not pass | Jan 16 21:33 |
| schestowitz | they can drive down wages by increasing job insecurity | Jan 16 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Carter was right | Jan 16 21:34 |
| schestowitz | decades back | Jan 16 21:34 |
| schestowitz | maybe someone like trump or worse will be back in 4 years | Jan 16 21:34 |
| schestowitz | as people feel like there's nothing left to lose | Jan 16 21:34 |
| schestowitz | so they stick to their clique | Jan 16 21:34 |
| schestowitz | and some to their firearms | Jan 16 21:35 |
| schestowitz | 3,817 US covid deaths yesterday | Jan 16 21:37 |
| schestowitz | might be a similar figure today | Jan 16 21:37 |
| schestowitz | 9/11 becoming ol' skool | Jan 16 21:37 |
| techrights-bot | Almost 700 people with #covid19 died yesterday or declared dead in #california alone (694). | Jan 16 21:38 |
| techrights-bot | More people in the #uk tested positive for #covid19 than got merely the FirstDose(TM) of Viagra Company's #clinicalTrials (which lack actual evidence, >as yet<, to demonstrate efficacy). The virus spreads faster than this unproven false hope (as yet). | Jan 16 21:40 |
| techrights-bot | #RasPiOS 2021-01-12 was released last week. #microsoft tried to hijack #raspi Fdn. like it did #olpc but it failed. RasPi spreading #gnu #linux widely. https://www.raspberrypi.org/ | Jan 16 21:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.raspberrypi.org | Teach, Learn, and Make with Raspberry Pi | Jan 16 21:42 | |
| techrights-bot | Better Fujitsu A64FX Support Arrives For #GCC , #LLVM #Clang Compilers - Phoronix ⇨ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Fujitsu-A64FX-Better-Compiler •●• #Phoronix | Jan 16 21:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Better Fujitsu A64FX Support Arrives For GCC, LLVM Clang Compilers - Phoronix | Jan 16 21:43 | |
| techrights-bot | Hackability Matters • 🆃🆄🆇 🅼🅰🅲🅷🅸🅽🅴🆂 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146557 "Cron, or its significantly more complicated counterpart systemd" | Jan 16 21:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Hackability Matters | Tux Machines | Jan 16 21:47 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "and some to their firearms"> I'm buying one as soon as I get my FOID card reinstated. | Jan 16 21:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Of course who knows how bad things will be by the time they bother to do that. | Jan 16 21:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Lemonade is letting people modify their renters insurance policies again. | Jan 16 21:56 |
| techrights-bot | #Zeroshell 3.9.5 Released • 🆃🆄🆇 🅼🅰🅲🅷🅸🅽🅴🆂 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146558 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/01/16/#latest | Jan 16 21:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Zeroshell 3.9.5 Released | Tux Machines | Jan 16 21:58 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Jan 16 21:58 | |
| techrights-bot | Godot Engine - Dev snapshot: Godot 3.2.4 beta 6 ⇨ https://godotengine.org/article/dev-snapshot-godot-3-2-4-beta-6 •●• #godotengine #deletegithub #microsoft #proprietarySoftware | Jan 16 21:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-godotengine.org | Godot Engine - Dev snapshot: Godot 3.2.4 beta 6 | Jan 16 21:59 | |
| techrights-bot | #linuxfoundation releases another #microsoft #windows -powered 'newsletter' https://linuxfoundation.org/en/uncategorized/january-2021-linux-foundation-newsletter-bootcamp-sale-solarwinds-orion-new-kubernetes-webassembly-classes-lfx-webinar-series/ see http://techrights.org/2020/06/22/proprietary-iis-and-windows-foundation/ | Jan 16 22:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxfoundation.org | January 2021 Linux Foundation Newsletter: Bootcamp Sale, SolarWinds Orion, New Kubernetes & WebAssembly Classes, LFX Webinar Series - Linux Foundation | Jan 16 22:01 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation Newsletter is Microsoft Windows and Proprietary IIS | Techrights | Jan 16 22:01 | |
| techrights-bot | #Systemd Applet Release - Michael Jansen, Drive By Coding ⇨ https://michael-jansen.name/blog/20210115-plasma-systemd-applet-bugfix/?utm_source=atom_feed •●• #michaeljansen | Jan 16 22:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-michael-jansen.name | Systemd Applet Release - Michael Jansen, Drive By Coding | Jan 16 22:02 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: lemonade?! | Jan 16 22:03 |
| MinceR | Lemon curry?! | Jan 16 22:04 |
| techrights-bot | "We now have another fancy and fantastic looking tool called duf to display statistics on free disk space in Unix, Linux, macOS, *BSD" https://www.cyberciti.biz/open-source/command-line-hacks/duf-disk-usage-free-utility-for-linux-bsd-macos-windows/ | Jan 16 22:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cyberciti.biz | duf - Disk Usage/Free Utility for Linux, BSD, macOS & Windows - nixCraft | Jan 16 22:06 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: lenoncake, yum! | Jan 16 22:06 |
| MinceR | "Cheat Shaquille, Looky, she eats! Yo, bun o' llama, Lemon, yum!" | Jan 16 22:08 |
| techrights-bot | Games: #Familiarsio , Valve and #GodotEngine • 🆃🆄🆇 🅼🅰🅲🅷🅸🅽🅴🆂 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146559 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jan 16 22:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Familiars.io, Valve and Godot | Tux Machines | Jan 16 22:09 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: wah duh? | Jan 16 22:10 |
| MinceR | lemon curry is from monty python, but the latter line is from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjYbZb7yVYI | Jan 16 22:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A Sticky Night Of Love (subtitled) - YouTube | Jan 16 22:11 | |
| techrights-bot | #Debian Developers: Christian Kastner, Junichi Uekawa, and Michael Prokop • 🆃🆄🆇 🅼🅰🅲🅷🅸🅽🅴🆂 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146560 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jan 16 22:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian Developers: Christian Kastner, Junichi Uekawa, and Michael Prokop | Tux Machines | Jan 16 22:13 | |
| schestowitz | ic... | Jan 16 22:14 |
| MinceR | :) | Jan 16 22:14 |
| schestowitz | icc senior | Jan 16 22:14 |
| techrights-ipfs | ▕ IPFS downstream, 45 mins: ▂▃▂▃▃▄▅▄▂▃▃▂▄▅▄▅▂▂▁▂▂▂▃▂▃▄▂▂▅▅▅▆▃▃▂▃▅▃▅▆▃▄▂▅▂▂▂▃▂▂▄ ▕ IPFS upstream: ▃▁▄▃▃▄▃▃▂▃▂▂▂▂▂▁▂▂▁▃▂▂▂▂▂▁▂▂▂▃▂▄▂▂▂▃▂▃▁▁▃▁▂▁▁▃▁▂▂▂▂▁▂ ⟲ | Jan 16 22:15 |
| techrights-bot | #ProprietarySoftware and #DigitalRestrictions (DRM) • 🆃🆄🆇 🅼🅰🅲🅷🅸🅽🅴🆂 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146561 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/01/16/#latest | Jan 16 22:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Proprietary Software and Digital Restrictions (DRM) | Tux Machines | Jan 16 22:30 | |
| techrights-bot | <li><h5><a href=""></a></h5> | Jan 16 22:33 |
| techrights-bot | #Programming Leftovers • 🆃🆄🆇 🅼🅰🅲🅷🅸🅽🅴🆂 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146562 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/01/16/#latest | Jan 16 22:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines | Jan 16 22:33 | |
| techrights-bot | Software: DUF, #Systemd Applet, and #PDF • 🆃🆄🆇 🅼🅰🅲🅷🅸🅽🅴🆂 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146563 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jan 16 22:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Software: DUF, Systemd Applet, and PDF | Tux Machines | Jan 16 22:42 | |
| techrights-bot | today’s leftovers • 🆃🆄🆇 🅼🅰🅲🅷🅸🅽🅴🆂 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146564 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/01/16/#latest | Jan 16 22:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Jan 16 22:46 | |
| techrights-bot | Links 16/1/2021: #LibreOffice 7.1 Release Candidate, #Zeroshell 3.9.5, #FreeBSD Report, and #GhostBSD 21.01.15 • 𝓣𝓮𝓬𝓱𝓻𝓲𝓰𝓱𝓽𝓼 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2021/01/16/freebsd-report/ •●• #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/01/16/#latest | Jan 16 22:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 16/1/2021: LibreOffice 7.1 Release Candidate, Zeroshell 3.9.5, FreeBSD Report, and GhostBSD 21.01.15 | Techrights | Jan 16 22:49 | |
| *tr_guest|58159 (519aab26@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.81.154.171.38) has joined #techrights | Jan 16 22:51 | |
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| techrights-bot | #techrights to publish some #fsf secrets soon | Jan 16 22:56 |
| techrights-bot | "if the user wants to know who or what is lurking behind the house… the user needs to view live streams of surveillance cams on GNU Linux." https://dwaves.de/2021/01/16/gnu-linux-debian-and-others-how-to-view-play-rtsp-surveillance-and-webcam-and-other-cams-streams-with-mplayer/ | Jan 16 22:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-» GNU Linux Debian and others – how to view play RTSP (surveillance and webcam and other cams) streams with mplayer | dwaves.de | Jan 16 22:58 | |
| techrights-bot | #AMD + Older #Intel CPUs To See Much Faster AES-NI XTS Crypto Performance On Linux 5.12 - Phoronix ⇨ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AES-NI-XTS-Direct-Linux-5.12 •●• #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux 🐧 | Jan 16 22:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-AMD + Older Intel CPUs To See Much Faster AES-NI XTS Crypto Performance On Linux 5.12 - Phoronix | Jan 16 22:58 | |
| techrights-bot | #Radeon #Vulkan "RADV" Driver Saw Many Optimizations This Week For Mesa 21.0 - Phoronix ⇨ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Squeezing-More-RADV-For-Mesa-21 •●• #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | Jan 16 22:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Radeon Vulkan "RADV" Driver Saw Many Optimizations This Week For Mesa 21.0 - Phoronix | Jan 16 22:59 | |
| techrights-ipfs | ▕ IPFS downstream, 35 mins: ▂▂▃▄▂▂▅▂▄▃▄▃▄▁▂▂▃▃▄▆▃▅▂▃▂▂▂▄▂▂▃▃▅▃▃▂▃▃▄▂▅▃▂ ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▂▁▃▁▂▂▂▂▁▂▂▂▃▁▂▁▃▂▂▃▂▄▄▁▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▃▃▁▂▂▃▃▁▂▂ ⟲ | Jan 16 23:15 |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/17/511d40e785a9f611.jpg | Jan 16 23:15 |
| techrights-bot | `ECS Announces the LIVA Q1A and the LIVA Q1A Plus http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146272#comment-27832 | Jan 16 23:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | ECS Liva Q1A is a 2.9 inch mini PC that runs Android or Ubuntu | Tux Machines | Jan 16 23:15 | |
| techrights-bot | "A browser, as its name implies, is meant for browsing the Web. It is not meant to be used as a text editor" https://www.maketecheasier.com/find-and-replace-text-chrome-firefox/ | Jan 16 23:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | How to Find and Replace Text in Chrome and Firefox - Make Tech Easier | Jan 16 23:16 | |
| techrights-bot | COVID solution https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/17/511d40e785a9f611.jpg | Jan 16 23:18 |
| techrights-ipfs | ▕ IPFS downstream, 35 mins: ▂▄▃▄▃▄▁▂▂▃▃▄▆▃▅▂▃▂▂▂▄▂▂▃▃▅▃▃▂▃▃▄▂▅▃▂▅▃▂▃▃▃▃ avg(k/sec) 13.26 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▂▁▂▂▂▃▁▂▁▃▂▂▃▂▄▄▁▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▃▃▁▂▂▃▃▁▂▂▃▃▃▂▂▁ avg(k/sec) 9.30 ⟲ | Jan 16 23:21 |
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| schestowitz | I've changed the graph to 2-minute sample points and average over 60 points | Jan 16 23:28 |
| techrights-ipfs | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▁▆▅▂▂▂▃▃▂▃▂▃▅▂▃▃▂▃▄▂▅▄▄▄▂▄▄▃▃▅▂▃▄▅▄ avg(k/sec) 13.83 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▂▃▄▁▂▂▂▂▃▂▃▂▃▃▂▃▄▅▂▃▃▂▃▃▄▃▃▃▂▅▃▃▂▃ avg(k/sec) 9.75 ⟲ | Jan 16 23:29 |
| schestowitz | it seems to have worked OK | Jan 16 23:29 |
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