IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, March 28, 2022

https://security.gentoo.org/glsa/202202-01

activelow

https://security.gentoo.org/glsa/202202-02

activelow

https://security.gentoo.org/glsa/202202-03

activelow

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-security.gentoo.org | Chromium, Google Chrome: Multiple vulnerabilities (GLSA 202201-02) — Gentoo security

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-security.gentoo.org | WebkitGTK+: Multiple vulnerabilities (GLSA 202202-01) — Gentoo security

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-security.gentoo.org | Chromium, Google Chrome: Multiple vulnerabilities (GLSA 202202-02) — Gentoo security

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-security.gentoo.org | Mozilla Firefox: Multiple vulnerabilities (GLSA 202202-03) — Gentoo security

activelow

severity: red red red

activelow

affected: everyone

DaemonFC

It should be noted that Gentoo is apparently skipping over THREE MONTHS worth of WebkitGTK security advisories before they patch anything.

DaemonFC

Wonderful practices there, wouldn't you agree MinceR?

DaemonFC

"Gee, this is bad. Let's give nation states 100 more days to attack all of these before we run off a new build."

Mar 28 00:07

activelow

nope, gentoo doesn't announce all their updates, it is only the most recent charts of the most critical ons

Mar 28 00:07

DaemonFC

Gentoo is pretty fucking stupid, but that's what you get when you have Microsoft fanboys creating a "Linux" distro and then taking a job at Microsoft.

Mar 28 00:08

activelow

pardon?

Mar 28 00:09

activelow

the links only show this: _all_ major web browsers are heavily compromised currently

Mar 28 00:11

DaemonFC

This change to GNOME theming is breaking the newer Flatpak apps.

Mar 28 00:15

DaemonFC

They all use Adwaita Light, which kind of sucks really.

Mar 28 00:15

DaemonFC

So your options are to build the color theme simulator or get a newer distribution with at least GNOME 41.

Mar 28 00:16

DaemonFC

"Dark Style Initiative"

Mar 28 00:17

DaemonFC

You could ALWAYS change the global theme to Adwaita Dark in Tweaks until now.

Mar 28 00:17

DaemonFC

They could have just moved the GUI for that into the Control Center, but NOOOOOOOOOOO.

Mar 28 00:17

DaemonFC

Honestly it's shit like this that's making me consider wiping GNOME and using KDE.

Mar 28 00:18

DaemonFC

"For years, the Software Center in Ubuntu has handled the updating of firmware. With the release of Ubuntu 22.04, a new GUI application will be unveiled, which is really just a front-end for the fwupd command line utility. This is a right step in the direction of user friendliness and clarity about system updates."

Mar 28 00:21

DaemonFC

Considering that all GNOME Software does with fwupd is pop up an error message about checksum mismatches in the downloaded repo XML, it could hardly get worse.

Mar 28 00:22

DaemonFC

"The installation prompts for Ubuntu 22.04 are going to look a little different, because the installer itself has actually been completely revamped. It sports a much more modern and sleek look, while still reflecting the simplicity of Ubuntu. It was created using Google’s Flutter UI development kit."

Mar 28 00:22

DaemonFC

*barf*

Mar 28 00:23

DaemonFC

I wonder if it still crashes and doesn't know how to actually set up a standard btrfs subvoluming scheme.

Mar 28 00:23

DaemonFC

"OpenSSL 3.0"

Mar 28 00:24

DaemonFC

Throw more money at it! That always fixes the problem! -MICROS~1 and GOOOOOOOLAG

Mar 28 00:24

DaemonFC

So I'm confused, are we keeping the big endian x86 on DOS support? I can never tell.

Mar 28 00:24

DaemonFC

Maybe mjg59_ has been informed by the NSA as to what's happening on this exciting front of "open source".

Mar 28 00:25

DaemonFC

Or can we lose the 10,000 year old dead plants now?

Mar 28 00:25

DaemonFC

"Grub 2.06 won’t automatically probe for other OS installations and add them to the boot menu. Luckily, there’s a simple fix of adding GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=false to the /etc/default/grub file and then running sudo update-grub."

Mar 28 00:26

DaemonFC

More dumb shit from GNU. It's like they want people to drop GRUB and use something else and yet no matter how awful they make it, nobody does.

Mar 28 00:26

DaemonFC

Back when there were options about how you wanted your computer to boot, I used to always just pick lilo, because Grub was so bad that it could corrupt your file system in subtle ways without knowing under what conditions that happened. GNU simply abandoned the original Grub and a pile of about 200 patches were tossed around by distributions, and it was never the same thing twice.

Mar 28 00:28

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Mar 28 00:28

DaemonFC

Grub 2 is actually even worse in some ways.

Mar 28 00:28

DaemonFC

For example, old Grub let you edit a flat text file and the changes went into effect on your next boot without having to remember how to actually make it respect those changes, which varies depending on whether you use Debian or Fedora.

Mar 28 00:29

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DaemonFC

As a user, it seems that Grub 2 and uEFI are in a pissing match to see who can fuck up the process of booting a computer more.

DaemonFC

"Kernel 5.15"

DaemonFC

Already using 5.16 on Debian (backports).

DaemonFC

"Ubuntu Pro"

Mar 28 00:31

DaemonFC

This one may be worth something to a home user.

Mar 28 00:31

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DaemonFC

Canonical gives it out free for up to 3 computers, and it effectively doubles the support lifecycle to 10 years. If you're on a laptop, Livepatch probably doesn't matter much unless you're just bad about rebooting.

DaemonFC

So assuming there is a Canonical in 10 years, it may be worth something.

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DaemonFC

But given how much they're sucking MICROS~1's dick and how bad that's tended to play out for everyone else that has, who knows if you'll get the ten years.

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DaemonFC

Debian will probably exist in 10 years. It's been around for like almost 30 already.

DaemonFC

"Core Application Updates"

DaemonFC

Mostly unimportant if you're a Flatpak user. About the only thing I see here that may be nice to have if you use Airpods is the new version of Pulseaudio since it can use AAC as a Bluetooth codec.

Mar 28 00:34

DaemonFC

So can my stereo for that matter.

Mar 28 00:34

DaemonFC

So I may actually try this and see if I like it.

Mar 28 00:34

DaemonFC

The source files are all Opus on my storage, but theoretically Opus to AAC should work better than Opus to SBC.

Mar 28 00:35

DaemonFC

MinceR, I wonder what people fed their cats before the 1950s.

Mar 28 00:38

DaemonFC

Wikipedia says dog food existed as of 1936, but cat food wasn't around until about 1950.

Mar 28 00:38

DaemonFC

I wasn't really paying attention too much to what I was feeding my last cat.

Mar 28 00:39

DaemonFC

I hope I didn't contribute to those kidney stones he had at the end.

Mar 28 00:39

DaemonFC

I know better than to feed the cat something where it goes "corn, corn gluten meal, meat byproduct" now. :/

Mar 28 00:40

activelow

DaemonFC: whom are you talking to?

Mar 28 00:40

MinceR

maybe they didn't keep that many cats and the cats would just hunt the usual stuff around the house

MinceR

or they gave them the sort of meat they ate themselves

DaemonFC

Possibly. My cats don't like chicken and turkey or tuna.

DaemonFC

They snub it, eat around it, go for the cat food.

DaemonFC

activelow, Well, for the most part WebkitGTK and GNOME Web have been getting better.

Mar 28 00:42

DaemonFC

1. They're very fast now. 2. They don't make my laptop fans go brr. 3. Firefox Sync actually works, and so does the password manager, without stuffing itself and requiring me to delete the browser's configuration folder and give up on using that.

DaemonFC

activelow

with BaphometOS the only graphical web browser available will be netsurf

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DaemonFC

schestowitz knows that I've been trying to relegate Firefox to a backup for corner cases.

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DaemonFC

GNOME Web can sync with Fennec F-Droid on my Android phone.

DaemonFC

And then I have a solution where there's at least no tracking garbage in the browser binaries themselves.

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activelow

gnome web is a dbus poisoned webkit frontend; and besides webkit has many issues

activelow

currently, i kept Badwolf browser with outdated webkit version; crashes too often, not worth the effort anymore.

Mar 28 00:45

activelow

and any recebt webkit is pure pain; same with chromium and it's offspring

Mar 28 00:46

activelow

*recent

Mar 28 00:46

activelow

with BaphometOS i will do it as follows:

Mar 28 00:46

activelow

the base-system will be kept clean without any c++ dependency, compiled with gcc-4.7 (and later TinyCC);

Mar 28 00:47

activelow

and anything depending on c++ will be maintained inside a separate $sysroot; optionally chrooted into

Mar 28 00:47

activelow

which is necessary to ensure the base system remains clean

Mar 28 00:48

activelow

and the separate $sysroot with c++ dependencies inside won't be updated as often with less reviews

Mar 28 00:48

activelow

my basesystem is more restrictive than *bsd even; because openbsd for example did allow recent gcc versions and clang/llvm; i do not

Mar 28 00:51

activelow

and i will verify BaphometOS base system with raspberry pi3 and an aarch32 kernel; cannot test aarch32 kernel because the rk3328 SoC are aarch64

Mar 28 00:54

activelow

and well, although i am not planning to use raspberry pi, many other may benefit from BaphometOS

Mar 28 00:54

activelow

it will ship all required development tooling, including the legacy gcc-4.7 compiler, the gentoo stuff, tinycc etc.

Mar 28 00:55

activelow

and any developer can be sure, the base system provided is clean without any excessive dependency graph into ms/google/ibm "innovative" territory

Mar 28 00:56

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Mar 28 00:59

activelow

aarch32 kernel is crucial, because gcc-4.7 doesn't support aarch64; and tinycc (with aarch32 and/or aarch64) isn't ready yet

Mar 28 00:59

activelow

too, i appreciate, with gentoo crossdev gcc-4.7 can bootstrap any later gcc version for any supported target; i verified this with aarch64 -> aarch32 and vice versa, up until gcc-8.5

Mar 28 01:01

activelow

so, there won't be an issue ugprading, the problem still is downgrading to a sane compiler/toolchain (with tinycc)

Mar 28 01:01

activelow

and i will crate an amd64.iso with the clean base system; however i am not willing to support any UEFI at all, hence it is of limited use nowadays

Mar 28 01:02

activelow

*create

Mar 28 01:02

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Mar 28 01:06

activelow

BaphometOS will be shipped with a root.squashfs read-only, with overlayfs to persist changes to the root filesystem, which is practical, and provides another security barrier against unintended alterations

Mar 28 01:07

activelow

kernel development would be somewhat cumbersome (although i am hacking kernel here too), yet kernel deployment requires assembling a firmware image (which is supported with some scripts)

Mar 28 01:08

activelow

furthermore, the idea isn't to make updates easy, the idea is to make development easy, including creation of a custom firmware

Mar 28 01:08

activelow

i think, a two/three years release cycle is sufficient; given the fact any later than kernel v5.10 is blacklisted anyway (because C11)

Mar 28 01:09

mjg59_

DaemonFC: As a foreign national, the NSA aren't super keen on me as an asset

Mar 28 01:09

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Mar 28 01:10

activelow

BaphometOS is the last remaining distribution globally without c++ dependencies; no udevd, no systemd, no pam, no sysvinit, no dbus... none of this

Mar 28 01:22

activelow

huge benefit of this, if a developer expected cmake, libgl.so, or whatever, if it is gone it was probably removed for very good reasons

Mar 28 01:23

activelow

same for sysadmins... nope, there's no init scripts or any of the typical bureaucracy

Mar 28 01:25

activelow

i wouldn't want to boast about security, nonetheless i think nut-cracking a BaphometOS firmware won't be easy, either online or offline

Mar 28 01:28

activelow

a compile-time CFLAGS=-DSCRAMBLER_KEY alters the internal squashfs scrambler compression if desired; and boot process is locked to prevent any interruption anywhere

Mar 28 01:30

activelow

it's not as if any "hacker" could fiddle with /etc/shadow and expect a root-shell

Mar 28 01:30

activelow

for hard-disks i re-integrated loopdev, with a high-speed scrambler

activelow

there's some minor regression remaining with md-raid/loopdev, some buffering/locking issue, yet 30MiB/s is good enough for me

activelow

# elosetup /dev/loop2

activelow

/dev/loop2: [0005]:8599 (/dev/md128), encryption (type 2)

https://wgntv.com/news/chicago-news/wicker-park-store-offers-tasty-treats-dogs-humans-can-share/

activelow

the cipher design is extremely simple, wouldn't bother with publishing it, not concerned about ECB nor known-plaintext cribs at all

Mar 28 01:34

DaemonFC

<mjg59_> DaemonFC: As a foreign national, the NSA aren't super keen on me as an asset

Mar 28 01:35

DaemonFC

It wouldn't be the first time.

Mar 28 01:35

activelow

non-primitive recurse LFSR 32bit, that's what i chose, it's the simplest and fastest 32bit cipher the NSA had ever seen, guaranteed

Mar 28 01:35

DaemonFC

activelow, GNOME has officially jumped the shark on their own stupidity.

Mar 28 01:36

DaemonFC

It used to be "Yeah, so what if none of this works on other desktops!".

Mar 28 01:36

DaemonFC

And now it's "No, that solution is WAAAAY too easy, let's break it if you're using last year's GNOME.".

Mar 28 01:37

DaemonFC

Mar 28 01:40

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Mar 28 01:40

DaemonFC

Wow, they figured out how to turn cow lung and spleen into $7.50 an OUNCE dog treats.

activelow

GTK cannot remain inside the base-system, there is one c++ dependency remaining in the bdeps: dev-util/gperf

DaemonFC

Jesus fuck. I don't usually spend $7.50 a POUND on things to feed myself.

activelow

otherwise GTK3 didn't violate any criteria yet, so i will integrate into $sysroot

activelow

GNOME however is a BaphometOS warzone

DaemonFC

The EU and Germany are conspiring to force activelow into poverty.

DaemonFC

I feel like there should be that guy putting stick in bicycle wheel meme here though.

DaemonFC

"DAMN YOU AMERICA!"

MinceR

activelow

DaemonFC: good, then you see /dev/loop2 remains what it is

activelow

and this is only the *nix fun, not to mention all the Telco management bag loaded onto my back

DaemonFC

There's ups and downs with any decision you make, I suppose.

activelow

although, i dropped this one 15 years ago already, may they carry it

DaemonFC

I think people use GNOME because in many ways KDE is even more fucked up somehow.

Mar 28 01:44

activelow

sure, KDE and any QT4/5 etc. are long gone

Mar 28 01:44

DaemonFC

Certain video websites are using this HTTPS Live Streaming "feature" so as to obscure how to download the video.

Mar 28 01:44

activelow

there was a chance with KDE3, yet it is too much efforts (i did re-integrate QT3/trinity desktop and it was almost flawless)

DaemonFC

So I get to wait while VDH gets the packets and reassembles them into a new container.

DaemonFC

Not computationally cheap, mind you.

activelow

however, too much effort, and more important things to do with BaphometOS

activelow

the only truly real *nix

DaemonFC

Hyperinflate the currency!

DaemonFC

Stagnant wages!

DaemonFC

Complains about "pirates" and why people don't eat out more, and why Disney World is looking awfully empty all of a sudden.

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DaemonFC

Biden is pretty much doing to us what Europe has been going through for years.

Mar 28 01:47

DaemonFC

They want to force everyone to become vegetarians who have to rely on the bus for lack of a better living standard.

Mar 28 01:47

DaemonFC

They know nobody is going to give up meat or their car voluntarily, so the billionaires with the 10 private jets and sprawling mansions and put out more carbon going to a single "climate change" conferance than the average American produces in an entire lifetime conspire to rob us of our living standards with hyperinflation and at each other's throats for jobs....

Mar 28 01:49

DaemonFC

Texas actually requires an annual safety inspection on your car every year.

Mar 28 01:49

*activelow barely could afford a train ticket

Mar 28 01:50

DaemonFC

Illinois doesn't. As long as your CEL isn't on and your car isn't producing 30% more smog than it was designed to (what it usually takes to trip an error light) you're fine.

Mar 28 01:50

DaemonFC

So it can be a complete piece of shit that could cause a pile up on the freeway and all the state cares about is whether it puts out too much pollution.

Mar 28 01:51

DaemonFC

It's really not a great idea to let your car get so out of whack that it pollutes like that because it usually means it's going through 30% more gasoline at the time the light comes on, but.....

DaemonFC

Obviously people are spending their entire car budget trying to keep the fucking light off when it's not a safety hazard.

DaemonFC

Then you see them driving around with tires so bald the cords are showing.

DaemonFC

10% of their brake pads left.

DaemonFC

Wheel bearing so far gone it's smoking and they're doing 90 mph.

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Mar 28 01:53

DaemonFC

When mom handed me this car it was getting 9 miles per gallon in the city and she goes "Gee I don't know, I think I was getting 20.".

Mar 28 01:53

DaemonFC

Right.....

Mar 28 01:53

DaemonFC

I had it tuned up and replaced a bunch of filters (myself) and fixed vacuum leaks, and it slowly came back up to about 17-18.

Mar 28 01:54

DaemonFC

But she had let it get to HALF what it was supposed to which already wasn't terrific to begin with.

Mar 28 01:54

DaemonFC

Then she drives around like that going "Damn Biden! Gas went up a nickel today!".

Mar 28 01:55

DaemonFC

When she's not even paying attention to the fact that the car is using two gallons to get as far as one ought to get her.

Mar 28 01:55

DaemonFC

The only reason I even bothered to fix the engine up was because the mechanic looked it over really well and said the metal parts, the pistons, rings, etc. were in really good shape somehow and what was wrong with it was "all of this cheap plastic shit".

DaemonFC

Of course, she just always buys cars without doing any research at all.

DaemonFC

If you got a 2002, the intakes would have been aluminum, not plastic.

DaemonFC

And the only part you'd likely need to replace would be the gasket..

DaemonFC

And they were probably closing out a 2002 right next to this thing.

DaemonFC

Every year, shit gets worse.

DaemonFC

Everything you can possibly buy get worse.

DaemonFC

The heyday of the US economy was probably 1999. That's where I'd put the peak.

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Mar 28 01:59

DaemonFC

Every year a car company makes a product, they figure out how to make it less reliable on purpose and then they pass the savings right along to you. $10,000 price hike and oh yeah, we don't have any computers to run the air conditioner in the back seat so here's a $50 gift card. -Ford

DaemonFC

MinceR, ^

DaemonFC

I don't know if you can still buy anything with that. It's fifty Biden Dollars.

DaemonFC

Spend it quick!

activelow

ever read about the Lada Niva?

Mar 28 02:02

DaemonFC

Mar 28 02:02

activelow

interesting concept car, designed and produced for one purpose only: practical in rural areas for farmers

Mar 28 02:02

activelow

built for 40years now, with some minor alterations

Mar 28 02:03

activelow

some years ago, price was 10K cash, brand new from Russia

Mar 28 02:03

activelow

this car is the record-holder in Antarctica, some dozens of thousands of miles, at -50degC

Mar 28 02:04

MinceR

concept?

Mar 28 02:07

MinceR

it's pretty low quality though

Mar 28 02:08

DaemonFC

Eh.....

Mar 28 02:09

DaemonFC

As long as it's cheap to buy and cheap to fix, who cares?

Mar 28 02:09

MinceR

i do

DaemonFC

Nobody that lives in our building seems to have a car newer than about 2005 maybe?

MinceR

i don't like wasting my time on taking the car to the workshop

MinceR

or having it towed from where it fell apart

activelow

the Lada Niva relatively small, for the average body size, humans were ~20 centimeters shorter 40years ago

DaemonFC

You just have to keep them running forever now like Cuba because the government has mandated so much stupid shit that there's no alternative.

MinceR

if i wanted a small, hardcore offroad SUV and didn't mind it being cramped and underpowered, i would have bought a Suzuki Jimny

Mar 28 02:11

MinceR

far better than any lada

Mar 28 02:11

activelow

it is very noisy inside; too it is recommended some sealing is applied for offroad scenarios, which isn't too expensive

Mar 28 02:11

DaemonFC

Carvana gets ae lot of BMWs.

DaemonFC

And they're not even that old.

activelow

and, the LNG option is interesting, given petrol prices, LNG is 50% the price of regular E10 fuel

DaemonFC

Tells you what their original owner thought of it.

DaemonFC

Trying to get out of something that's bleeding them like a stuck pig.

MinceR

yeah, if i wanted an excuse to visit the workshop all the time, i'd buy a BMW

MinceR

provided i didn't have a better thing to spend money on than badly designed replacement parts, that is

Mar 28 02:13

activelow

an offroader for 10K cash, that was exceptional price/performance

Mar 28 02:13

activelow

although, i fear, workshops and repair are easier in Russia, there is rarely any Lada supplier anywhere in Europe

Mar 28 02:14

MinceR

also, buying ladas and lada parts would help fund terrorussia's terror campaigns, so i'd rather not do that anyway

Mar 28 02:16

MinceR

then again, i'm not sure if they'll even be making any more of them, considering that renault is supposed to be leaving terrorussia

Mar 28 02:16

MinceR

and they own lada

Mar 28 02:16

activelow

hungarian Ikarus manufacturer is defunct too

Mar 28 02:18

activelow

i think east-germany was a parts supplier to Ikarus, and those suppliers are either gone too or altererd their products to supply western industry

Mar 28 02:19

MinceR

yeah

Mar 28 02:24

MinceR

and somehow budapest managed to find even worse buses than those

Mar 28 02:24

MinceR

"premium" low-floor crap from mercedes-benz which is like it doesn't even have a suspension

Mar 28 02:24

MinceR

though i suspect that they're much more tolerable on roads that don't suck

Mar 28 02:25

MinceR

and also that the issue is because of hungarian local governments' inexplicable obsession with low-floor vehicles

Mar 28 02:25

MinceR

"low entry" should be plenty enough

Mar 28 02:25

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https://wgntv.com/news/wgn-news-now/blood-pressure-medication-recall-is-impacting-millions-what-patients-need-to-know/

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Mar 28 02:55

DaemonFC

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wgntv.com | Blood pressure medication recall is impacting millions, what patients need to know | WGN-TV

DaemonFC

This keeps happening for whatever reason.

DaemonFC

Mine isn't on the recall list.

DaemonFC

I haven't checked my blood pressure since starting Irbesartan, but it feels lower.

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Mar 28 02:59

DaemonFC

The long term damage of high blood pressure is too much to ignore.

Mar 28 02:59

DaemonFC

My ex was 35 when he had a stroke. They got him to the hospital and he didn't die, but I mean, god damn.

Mar 28 02:59

DaemonFC

So when my doctor said you won't stroke out at 38, I said, "One of my exes did at 35.".

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rous

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Mar 28 03:08

MinceR

Rodents Of Unusual Size? I don't think they exist.

Mar 28 03:11

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Mar 28 03:14

DaemonFC

I think there will probably be a Second Video Game Crash soon.

Mar 28 03:17

DaemonFC

If it's not already in progress.

Mar 28 03:17

DaemonFC

Gran Turismo 7 is just the stupidest thing I've ever heard of.

Mar 28 03:18

DaemonFC

The PlayStation wants to be more like some dumb smartphone game, only you pay $70 for the game and you only have half the game unless you pay more or do some really pointless "grinding".

Mar 28 03:18

MinceR

who cares, we can make our own

Mar 28 03:21

kingoffrance

1 and maybe 2 are the only gran turismo i ever played. they had concept cars. "Lada Niva"

Mar 28 03:31

MinceR

lol

Mar 28 03:33

MinceR

my preferred driving game is Carmageddon: Max Damage

Mar 28 03:33

MinceR

if it has real vehicles, they're renamed :>

Mar 28 03:33

DaemonFC

I got Mandy with the old joke.... "What's long, and hard, and full of seamen?".

Mar 28 03:39

DaemonFC

Mar 28 03:39

DaemonFC

I thought everyone had heard that one.

Mar 28 03:39

DaemonFC

<MinceR> if it has real vehicles, they're renamed :>

DaemonFC

Does it have the BMW that breaks down before you even get to run over anyone?

MinceR

lol

MinceR

i don't think it does

https://www.igcd.net/game.php?id=1000011802

MinceR

ah, someone actually figured it out

Mar 28 03:41

MinceR

Mar 28 03:41

DaemonFC

"1990 Lada 1300"

Mar 28 03:43

DaemonFC

Mar 28 03:43

MinceR

Mar 28 03:43

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Mar 28 03:53

matey

https://github.com/srid/GNUSim8085/issues/63 "GNUSim8085 should support the "undocumented" 8085 instruction and flags but does not appear to."

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Implement "undocumented" 8085 instructions and flags · Issue #63 · srid/GNUSim8085 · GitHub

matey

"It has been known since 1979 that the 8085 contains undocumented opcodes and flag bits."

matey

"The information on flags from Ken Shirriff and opcodes from Pavel Zima is based on images of the silicon circuitry on the actual chip and are definitively correct."

matey

^ to schestowitz schestowitz-tr who says that you cant get information from silicon (even though it wouldnt matter as with free hardware, you wouldnt get it "from the silicon" but the lithograph/plans/blueprints)

Mar 28 03:55

matey

while trying to paint free silicon advocacy as "absolutism" and not the next step forward in freedom

Mar 28 03:56

matey

its one thing to downplay threats-- but to always spread fud about the newest, most incredible efforts to be more free...

Mar 28 03:56

matey

maybe i misunderstood of course (thats the usual line)

Mar 28 03:57

matey

oh no, i didnt mean it that way. by "absolutist" i meant "blah blah blah"

Mar 28 03:57

matey

didnt even go looking for this! simply found it in the middle of research i was already doing.

Mar 28 03:58

matey

stumbled onto it by chance.

Mar 28 03:58

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Mar 28 03:59

matey

Sun 17:52:28 │ schestowitz-TR │ this is where I deplore some absolutists │ schestowitz-TR │ they go down to silicon │ schestowitz-TR │ like physically silicon │ schestowitz-TR │ not semi-conductors │ schestowitz-TR │ yes, well... you cannot check your wafer with a microscope, not usefully anyway

Mar 28 04:00

matey

/me deplores 2-faced idiots

Mar 28 04:00

matey

"like physically silicon... not semi-conductors" rofl

Mar 28 04:00

matey

downplay github, downplay ibm, fud openbsd, fud free silicon

Mar 28 04:01

matey

downplay systemd "no we wrote many articles"

Mar 28 04:01

matey

schestowitz-TR │ yes, well... you cannot check your wafer with a microscope, not usefully anyway okay, explain https://github.com/srid/GNUSim8085/issues/63

Mar 28 04:02

matey

schestowitz-TR │ yes, well... i constantly pull fud out of my arse

Mar 28 04:02

matey

but why?

Mar 28 04:03

matey

why DO that?

Mar 28 04:03

matey

the cognitive dissonance i used to go through when he said things like this a year or two ago "must be some mistake"

Mar 28 04:04

matey

benefit of the doubt

Mar 28 04:04

matey

i was such a sucker

Mar 28 04:05

matey

its just bullshit

Mar 28 04:05

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Mar 28 04:57

schestowitz-TR

hi matey

Mar 28 04:57

schestowitz-TR

sorry if I said something that offended you

Mar 28 04:57

matey

oh you mean like the time you spent an entire year telling anyone that would listen that i went nuts over an argument with mincer?

Mar 28 04:58

schestowitz-TR

it was not just about MinceR

Mar 28 04:58

matey

even in november you said "this is where it all started"-- in december?

Mar 28 04:58

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matey

go back to august (a bit before december) to an article where i said i was leaving because i was tired of being misrepresented in articles.

matey

but sure, lets make it about a nothing exchange with mincer. it wasnt even important.

matey

regarding silicon:

schestowitz-TR

this is the schtick they use against RMS a lot

schestowitz-TR

RMS responds with table analogies, IIRC

matey

beg your pardon?

matey

In the summer of 2009, the Visual6502.org project shot and assembled high resolution photographs of a MOS 6502 revision D. The surface of the chip was photographed, then the metal and polysilicon layers were stripped off to reveal the conductive substrate diffusion areas. The substrate was photographed, and the substrate image was aligned to the surface image.

schestowitz-TR

I'd need to look up videos

schestowitz-TR

they belittle RMS work

matey

so theyre taking a 6502 and reverse engineering it

schestowitz-TR

by bringing "open" hardware into it

schestowitz-TR

"free hardware designs"

schestowitz-TR

and he explains he cannot dod chip fabs at home

schestowitz-TR

*do

matey

it has nothing to do with belittling his work

matey

and he explains he cannot dod chip fabs at home <- hes wrong actually

schestowitz-TR

maybe for high mm density

schestowitz-TR

micrometer

matey

this is literally about science. and his positions are based on assumptions that are demonstrably false

matey

maybe for high mm density <- the density that is possible to fab continues to increase

matey

people like lrowe have real numbers

schestowitz-TR

iirc, it used to be transistor tubes

schestowitz-TR

back in the 50s

schestowitz-TR

those can be separately repaired?

matey

transistor tubes would be painfully behind the times of what even hobbyists are now capable of

matey

replaced

matey

i dont know if you can repair a blown transistor or why you would want to

schestowitz-TR

programmable boards are interesting

matey

people dont repair blown light bulbs and that would be much easier

schestowitz-TR

but then you need to check the chip itself

schestowitz-TR

and whether that chip makes sense, it's like a layer osf virtualisation

matey

but then you need to check the chip itself <- if the transistors are discrete there is no "chip"-- the integrated circuit didnt exist in the 50s

Mar 28 05:05

schestowitz-TR

where you want to audit the hypervisor itself

Mar 28 05:05

matey

well it definitely depends if we are talking about transistors from the 50s or chips from the 70s onward

schestowitz

(cat)

schestowitz

gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D185.jpg

matey

hobbyists can do both now.

schestowitz

matey: you cheetah on me gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D543.jpg

matey

so rms is factually wrong.

matey

the thing is, his position is based on assumptions that are a decade out of date

matey

its unscientific, next to dogma

matey

flat-earthism

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matey

of course no one expects him to be right about things he doesnt keep up to date on

schestowitz-TR

matey: he said that around 2005-2010

schestowitz-TR

that I was it anyway

schestowitz-TR

something about sawing his own chair

matey

well hes said things more recently in gnu mailing lists

schestowitz-TR

and equipment necessary

matey

i mean this year.

matey

literally 2022.

matey

if not, then 2021, i didnt go back farther than that.

matey

CUSTOM hardware is becoming so cheap, i said this more than a year ago-- that its increasingly practical to move malware directly to the silicon

Mar 28 05:09

matey

i dont mean malware that is attached later with wires or physical access

matey

i mean malware in the original production process, like lenovo did

schestowitz-TR

that malware is something part of the design for states now

matey

states as in nation states?

schestowitz-TR

so making designs like risc-v and publishing the designs would be something russia, china, india can benefit from

matey

i mean there are hundreds of countries that could benefit in the long run

schestowitz-TR

righht, but

schestowitz-TR

they have many other issues and limited resources

schestowitz-TR

so they would take whetever larger nations throw at them

schestowitz-TR

say, kenya or vietnam

Mar 28 05:12

schestowitz-TR

china and india have resources for space programs too

Mar 28 05:12

matey

this would apply to any country with makerspaces

Mar 28 05:12

matey

in the 1900s the big deal might have been building radios

Mar 28 05:13

matey

in the 2000s the future could mean building cpus

Mar 28 05:13

matey

youre still talking as if they have to invest in fabs-- the whole point is that you can make a cpu without a traditional fab now

Mar 28 05:13

schestowitz-TR

i need to read up on it

Mar 28 05:14

schestowitz-TR

iirc, some "modern" CPUs are hundreds of billions of gates

https://web.archive.org/web/20220328035750/https://kylo.tv/how-to-reverse-engineer-a-computer-chip/ /https://kylo.tv/how-to-reverse-engineer-a-computer-chip/

matey

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schestowitz-TR

and GPUs maybe a lot more

matey

gnu wasnt built on trying to recreate the windows api.

matey

it was created in the 80s and 90s based on a 70s operating system

matey

its still quite useful

schestowitz-TR

so scaling down basically

matey

silicon shouldnt be held to a different standard-- at any rate it would be useless to do so

matey

making technology free has always started with more modest designs.

matey

but the scaled "up" designs were often unnecessary

matey

you scale down every time you opt for used hardware and brag about how 6 pcs add up to less than 1000 pounds.

matey

libre hardware is no different

matey

it has to start somewhere

matey

my computers are typically years old when i get them and i run them for years

Mar 28 05:18

matey

technology moves fast, free hardware will continue to advance

Mar 28 05:18

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Mar 28 05:18

matey

gnu isnt a 1970s os anymore (neither is bsd)

Mar 28 05:19

matey

but it had to start somewhere

Mar 28 05:19

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matey

imagine if we had let microsoft dismiss gnu on the grounds that it didnt support the complexity of the win api

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schestowitz-TR

but waity

matey

why would anyone expect free hardware to match modern chips in complexity out of the gate?

schestowitz-TR

in 1983 windows was hardly a thing

schestowitz-TR

and gnu wasn't made to replace windows

matey

no it was meant to provide free computing

schestowitz-TR

right

matey

and even though it wasnt made to replace windows

matey

it suitably does so.

matey

literally without trying to.

matey

in some instances, gnu/linux plus wine is better than windows in ways that can be measured

Mar 28 05:22

matey

obviously in terms of compatibility its never going to be 1:1

Mar 28 05:22

matey

but when windows drops compatbility in some areas, wine doesnt-- in those instances it can even beat windows at compatbility!

schestowitz-TR

microsoft lacks the incentive to work as well as wine on windows apis

schestowitz-TR

they want to push newer version of malwaredows

matey

exactly

matey

we are kidding ourselves if we think malware isnt already in silicon-- but most of it is firmware so we dont need silicon to beat that

Mar 28 05:24

matey

we can have free firmware

Mar 28 05:24

matey

but if we ignore the progression of this we can dismiss free silicon entirely, and miss the point of it

Mar 28 05:24

matey

rms is demonstrating a double standard when he pretends he has to make his own cpus for free silicon to be useful

schestowitz-TR

fsf would say, not our department

matey

its NOT

matey

its not their dept at all

schestowitz-TR

like when it's asked abouty russian sanctions

schestowitz-TR

fsf says free designs

schestowitz-TR

but hardly lists that in high-priority projectrs

matey

i dont have to write my own operating system to benefit from free software

schestowitz-TR

as it is not software, I assume

matey

rms doesnt have to make his own cpu to benefit from free silicon either

schestowitz-TR

btw

matey

it was a sheer double standard when he said that

schestowitz-TR

IEEE (IIRC) had a new article of interest last week, or relevance

schestowitz-TR

about a group that works on the hardware side

schestowitz-TR

let me find it...

schestowitz

or maybe I was thinking of https://eponymouspickle.blogspot.com/2022/03/open-source-robotics-foundation-osrf.html

Mar 28 05:27

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-eponymouspickle.blogspot.com | The Eponymous Pickle: Open Source Robotics Foundation (OSRF)

Mar 28 05:27

schestowitz

oh, never mind, it's about robotics https://spectrum.ieee.org/open-robotics

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https://yewtu.be/watch?v=r8Vq5NV4Ens

matey

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | How I reverse engineer a chip - Invidious

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schestowitz-TR

back in a moment, boiling water on the hob

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Mar 28 05:30

matey

by the way, the person involved in maintaining the web interface for the gnu bug tracker works for aws

Mar 28 05:31

matey

not that its criminal to work for amazon, just that-- i mean this is what happens

schestowitz-TR

amazon hired loads of people

matey

projects move from hobby projects "not big and sophisticated like gnu" to corporate products

schestowitz-TR

many from red hat moved there

schestowitz-TR

when they left ICBM

schestowitz-TR

some as engineers, some as management

schestowitz-TR

former USPTO head, michelle lee, is an amazon now

matey

but then corporate products try to crush hobbyists-- disney did the same thing

schestowitz-TR

fun fact: amazon has almost 10 times more staff than Microsoft

schestowitz-TR

but many are "low skilled"

schestowitz-TR

and Microsoft does the permatemp spiel

matey

walt disney constantly remixed existing commercial works-- like steamboat bill

schestowitz-TR

amazon also disposes of employees a lot

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matey

then when he died, the corporation that took over (im not saying disney was a saint, just an artist) tried to stop people from doing the same

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AdmFubar

us ogh

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matey

even rewriting the laws to benefit corporations solely and people like disney himself become serfs

schestowitz-TR

so a bit like microsoft in some regard

matey

exactly like microsoft

matey

this is an anti-pattern in capitalism

http://techrights.org/2021/03/18/epoleaks-report-march-2021-part-13/

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law — Part XIII: A Global ‘IP’ Player | Techrights

AdmFubar

what is a hob?

schestowitz

"In the early 1990s, when the company’s annual revenues had just crossed the billion-dollar threshold, Microsoft held around five patents."

matey

cooker/stove = hob

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matey

gates wasnt interested in patents until he realised they could be used as a weapon

Mar 28 05:36

matey

you feel differently about weapons when youre powerful enough to hire an army :)

Mar 28 05:36

matey

gates didnt want them used against microsoft-- once microsoft was big enough to se them, he felt quite differently

Mar 28 05:36

matey

same with free software

matey

microsoft didnt want free software used to defeat them

matey

once they figured out how to use free software against itself, now they <3 linux

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matey

free software is still the competition

matey

only now they can use the competition against the competition

matey

i dont know how anyone can paint this as their being won over

matey

they only embrace things to kill them

matey

or to use them against competitors

schestowitz-TR

has not worked entirely

schestowitz-TR

it's also a risky gambit

matey

no but most things dont work entirely

schestowitz-TR

as it distracts them from their own wares

schestowitz-TR

look at the state of windows

schestowitz-TR

it's in disarray

matey

im sure theyve weighed the risks

schestowitz-TR

they just bribe officials to keep some share going

matey

my position is never that microsoft is unstoppable

matey

but we can make very foolish decisions that help them to borrow time

schestowitz-TR

yes

matey

and the fact that they are not unstoppable will never change that

schestowitz-TR

part of it is a federal issue

schestowitz-TR

bailing firms out

matey

sure theyll use anything they can

matey

governments, armies (defence contracts) hobbyists

schestowitz-TR

while banning huaweui, xiaomi

matey

sure

schestowitz-TR

funny framing:

schestowitz-TR

(maybe worthy for a meme)

matey

they dont benefit from a level playing field, they will always try to stack the deck

schestowitz-TR

troll says:

schestowitz-TR

HEY, FSF, WHY NO SANCTION RUSSIA !!!

schestowitz-TR

But not

schestowitz-TR

Why no sanction Microsoft !!

matey

indeed

schestowitz-TR

same for IBM

schestowitz-TR

FSF bad

schestowitz-TR

Microsoft good

schestowitz-TR

like, WTH???

matey

i still love free software-- free software is closer to what i do. im a software guy

schestowitz-TR

"ehitcal" source

matey

i support free hardware because ive always lived in the future. even in the 80s

schestowitz-TR

ask them abou mirosofy bribery

matey

we are seeing things now that to me are old friends.

matey

but im not likely to become a hardware guy

matey

so free software is a cause closer to what i care about

matey

you know i was into electronics before computers

schestowitz-TR

well, technically [wait]

matey

but the minute i could code, i stopped caring (MOSTLY)

matey

because software is easier, and i like that

schestowitz-TR

computers were that before they were called that

*wallacer (~quassel@6bsu33ajs4zs4.irc) has joined #techrights

schestowitz-TR

or rather, engineering

schestowitz-TR

technicians

schestowitz-TR

my grnadpa was "radio technician"

schestowitz-TR

that term is not used anymore

schestowitz-TR

they could repair receivers

schestowitz-TR

and "transistors"

matey

radios needed tto be maintained

matey

they had parts that burned out designed to be replaced

schestowitz-TR

the old name for some radio receivers

matey

troubleshooted (shot?)

Mar 28 05:46

matey

it was silly and expensive to replace a radio when all you had to do was change the tube-- as silly as replacing a lamp when the bulb goes out

schestowitz-TR

which happens a lot now

matey

yeah companies like waste if it means profit

schestowitz-TR

there is good literature about the conspiracy to keep bulbs from lasting long

schestowitz-TR

you can still buy some bulks that last 10+ years

schestowitz-TR

they are not cheap

matey

and yet rms knocks people making their own bulbs

matey

recently!

DaemonFC

Free Software can't really sanction anyone. Even proprietary software can have trouble sometimes.

schestowitz-TR

DaemonFC: now we have SAAAAAAS!!!

schestowitz-TR

so they can switch things off remoately

DaemonFC

Netscape had an export version with weak crypto, but nothing stopped people from downloading the non-export version.

matey

its hard for free software to condemn anythign when it cant even retain its own values

DaemonFC

Yeah, so....don't use it.

DaemonFC

Why do you need some idiotic program running on Google to edit documents?

DaemonFC

That's crazy.

schestowitz-TR

yeah

matey

because jobs!

schestowitz-TR

"convenience"

schestowitz-TR

(=-laziness)

schestowitz-TR

btw, it's also a waste of b/w

matey

google means jobs!

schestowitz-TR

same for stadia (games)

schestowitz-TR

it's wasting a ton of electricity at the "wires"

Mar 28 05:50

matey

not trusting them with your tax forms means people out of work-- the economy would come to standstill

Mar 28 05:50

matey

put all your files in the clown before we are all fighting over the last head of cabbage

Mar 28 05:50

schestowitz-TR

in the video I made Saturday I mentioned how PCs now have little internal storage

schestowitz-TR

I've said that for many years

matey

meaning the hard drive?

schestowitz-TR

but when searcing for a computer I saw nothing has improved

DaemonFC

About the only proprietary Windows program I use much at all is foobar2000.

schestowitz-TR

512GB is considered "A LOT!"

DaemonFC

Lately, Wine has improved the look and feel and foobar2000 isn't crashing under certain cases where it used to.

schestowitz-TR

so you end up streaming and "putting it on the clown"\

schestowitz-TR

which is cheap for those companies

matey

what size is techrights now, with video

schestowitz-TR

but risky to you

schestowitz-TR

they turn PCs into "phones"

schestowitz-TR

with listening devices built in

DaemonFC

schestowitz-TR, With the VLC app, you _could_ put Opus files on your Goolag drive and stream them directly from there.

schestowitz-TR

matey: I would need to run du

schestowitz-TR

iirc, about 200gb

matey

okay so you could fit techrights, hypothetically, on 512gb more than once

schestowitz-TR

ok, homedir is 161gb

matey

all 15 years of it

DaemonFC

For $1.99 a month I could get 119 GB of Goolag Drive.

schestowitz-TR

/root is 1.5gb

DaemonFC

Still not worth it.

DaemonFC

I have all kinds of flash memory.

DaemonFC

It doesn't cost $2 a month to use that.

Mar 28 05:54

schestowitz-TR

for gemini the whole OS (Debian 11) and IPFS and Gemini and nginx for the proxy is about 7GB

Mar 28 05:54

schestowitz-TR

we thought about letting people download a tar with all the gemini stuff

Mar 28 05:54

schestowitz-TR

but afaik there's no "native" browser for gemini

matey

schestowitz-TR but the point is you could fit 15 years of techrights on 512gb more than once

schestowitz-TR

it wants you to supply URIs, nor relative locations

schestowitz-TR

a lot of that is videos

matey

512gb is NOT a lot for video, its true

matey

particularly if you save the original footage

schestowitz-TR

97gb for the /videos directory, which is not all videos

schestowitz-TR

I keep the original files on 3 external disks

matey

apple has macbooks with 2tb now

schestowitz-TR

but they are the same sans the watermark, intro etc.

matey

which is only 4x 512gb

schestowitz-TR

a bit crisper too, as each pass (there are two) in transcoding degrades things somewhat

matey

i looked up apple because i figure its the sort of laptop for people who know they want to edit lots of video

matey

in a mainstream, problems are solved by buying consumer products sort of context

schestowitz-TR

but wait

schestowitz-TR

the cost

schestowitz-TR

how much the cost of these?

schestowitz-TR

2k? 3k?

matey

im not saying i consider it practical. i dont.

schestowitz-TR

I got a 1tb machine on saturday

schestowitz-TR

magnetic disk

schestowitz-TR

cost me 205 pounds

AdmFubar

most use windows for video editing at home

matey

sure

techrights-ipfs-bot

▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: █▅▁▅▂▂▃▂▃▅▁▄▄▄▅▆▃▃▄▆▄▅▅▄▅▆▆▇▇█▆▅▃▄▅▆▄▁ avg(k/sec) 47.50 ▕ IPFS upstream: █▂█▂▂███▃█▁▂▁▁▁█▄▅▁▁▂▁▂█▂▃▂▁▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▁ avg(k/sec) 107.28▕ swarm size (avg): 288.80 ⟲

schestowitz-TR

fwiw, I never edit videos

matey

because cheaper solutions often become more mainstream

schestowitz-TR

have not tried since 2014

schestowitz-TR

I edited some rms videos

matey

you do cut them down and resample them at least

schestowitz-TR

cut them into shunks and added things like intro

matey

but thats not "Editing" in the sense of-- sure

matey

its minimalist

schestowitz-TR

video editing is a pain in the bum

schestowitz-TR

it takes ages

schestowitz-TR

for techrights videos I never even installed a video editor, ffmpeg does all that procedurally

matey

ive used it the same way

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Mozilla-MDN-Plus

DaemonFC

-altlink_63e/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: phoronix.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Mozilla-MDN-Plus

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mozilla Formally Introduces MDN Plus As Its Developer Subscription Service - Phoronix

matey

/me has ffmpeg installed now because mplayer

schestowitz-TR

a 15-min edited gulagtube video can take at LEAST 10 hours to make

DaemonFC

Mozilla Developer Paywall

schestowitz-TR

not so much the footage and separate takes

schestowitz-TR

but the editing

schestowitz-TR

DaemonFC: yes, I linked to the original, twice

schestowitz-TR

it's maddening

matey

it depends on the kind of quality you want

schestowitz-TR

and they don't seem to understand people would not pay

schestowitz-TR

same for VPN

DaemonFC

This is after Microsoft and Google gave it bailout money.

matey

some people want their videos to look professional

schestowitz-TR

matey: right, but you know the thing about standards

schestowitz-TR

if you are a perfectionist, you cannot get much done

schestowitz-TR

in irc I'm a typo frenzy

schestowitz-TR

more so in ytalk

matey

i think it would be cooler if fewer people did-- but its a wide range of whats possible (both in terms of production quality and in terms of compromise)

schestowitz-TR

but I read carefully articles

schestowitz-TR

re video, which is the main topic:

https://www.winehq.org/announce/7.5

DaemonFC

-altlink_63e/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: winehq.org | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.winehq.org/announce/7.5

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.winehq.org | WineHQ - Wine Announcement - The Wine development release 7.5 is now available.

schestowitz-TR

the minor stuff like awkward pauses does not matter in the grand scheme of things

DaemonFC

The HLSL compiler is already in my Wine 7 + Proton because the patches came from Proton.

DaemonFC

Nice to see it upstreamed though.

schestowitz-TR

perfectionism can also suck the life/fun out of things

matey

of course

schestowitz-TR

so you quit doing them due to overhead associated with perfecting them

DaemonFC

This is why Fallout 4 ran like shit on plain Wine, well, one of the reasons.

schestowitz-TR

it's one of the things I HATED about doing my Ph.D.

schestowitz-TR

having to spend months and months "perfecting" the thesus

DaemonFC

The more compatible Wine gets, the less and less reasons there are for anyone to still be using Windows.

schestowitz-TR

I'd rather have written more papers

schestowitz-TR

it's the same with coding

matey

<DaemonFC> The more compatible Wine gets, the less and less reasons there are for anyone to still be using Windows. <- thats why they need anticheat stuff

DaemonFC

There's getting to be less reasons to use proprietary software in general. Especially recent games which have microtransactions and won't let you play it in single player with no internet connection.

schestowitz-TR

you can spend years perfecting code for performance

schestowitz-TR

and a year later that code is of no use anymore

DaemonFC

Some day few people will use Windows anymore and good compatibility with old programs written for it will still be nice to have.

DaemonFC

They seem to be losing about 4-5% of their desktop users per year now.

schestowitz-TR

like freedos? dosbox?

matey

archive.org has an online emulator for dos games

matey

id rather use dosbox for that

DaemonFC

<schestowitz-TR> like freedos? dosbox?

matey

sometimes you can download the game

schestowitz-TR

windows is not "big" by today's terms

schestowitz-TR

like, win98 scale

DaemonFC

Yeah. I think the day will come 15-20 years from now where the last Windows program goes out.

schestowitz-TR

before it became "clown"

DaemonFC

Maybe sooner.

schestowitz-TR

win98 had to run with as little as 16 mb or ram, maybe 32

DaemonFC

They're mostly just tending to the corpse at this point, with Windows.

schestowitz-TR

emballmering it

AdmFubar

is it dead? well it was coughing up blood last night...

DaemonFC

They keep throwing away money trying to make "Microsoftbooks" that nobody wants because they run like shit and run out of storage immediately.

schestowitz-TR

AdmFubar: if you run recent versions of it

schestowitz-TR

I tried at the shop

schestowitz-TR

it is slow

schestowitz-TR

sluggish

schestowitz-TR

ugly

DaemonFC

They don't even take the loss on them.

schestowitz-TR

even uglier than Vista (2006)

DaemonFC

They get moles at other companies to blow themselves up with this.

DaemonFC

Like HP "Stream".

schestowitz-TR

and no special softwarae for it, "Edge" is a joke

schestowitz-TR

you could use chromium on other platforms

schestowitz-TR

so Windows is just some shitbag to run OTHER company's wares

schestowitz-TR

like autocad

matey

you can actually use the environment i learned to code on https://archive.org/details/gwbasic.exe

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.org | Programming Language: gwbasic.exe : Microsoft : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

DaemonFC

Right, Microsoft doesn't gamble with this too much. When they give out "licenses" to failed hardware, they lose nothing when it flops.

DaemonFC

They get other companies to die for them.

AdmFubar

m$'s killer apps are viruses, ransomware, malware, spyware...

matey

granted that gwbasic, i used basica (basica-lly the same thing)

schestowitz-TR

people do not need latest Office AND.... even MICROSOFT steers people towards clown

matey

https://archive.org/details/gwbasic.exe <- runs online in an emulator

schestowitz-TR

so you could just do Gulag Apps/Docs/Work/Suite (whetever they call it today)

schestowitz-TR

or use libreoffice and send it to the prointer

schestowitz-TR

russia invested in libreoffice

schestowitz-TR

like matey said, I think inside threats are the potent ones now

schestowitz-TR

like seeding discord in communities

schestowitz-TR

to crush or slow down Linux developers, GNU devs etc.

schestowitz-TR

lowering morale

schestowitz-TR

Azure was a failure

schestowitz-TR

the goal was to 'replace' AWS

matey

https://ia802601.us.archive.org/view_archive.php?archive=/20/items/gwbasic.exe/gwbasic.exe.zip <- here is the actual program that runs on dosbox

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ia802601.us.archive.org | Internet Archive: View Archive

schestowitz-TR

not even with bribes did they pull it off

schestowitz-TR

Gulag still loses BILLIONS on its clown stuff

schestowitz-TR

and Gulag fired a lot of stuff that worked on it

matey

of course except for historical purposes, this is pretty useless

schestowitz-TR

Gulag bribed Debian to:

schestowitz-TR

1) use Gulag Clown

matey

there are free software versions with similar features

schestowitz-TR

2) surrender socially

schestowitz-TR

GitLab bribes lots of projects

Mar 28 06:13

schestowitz-TR

to become case studies (marketing)

Mar 28 06:13

schestowitz-TR

'free' enterprise edition

Mar 28 06:13

schestowitz-TR

like aws 'doling out' the 'free' AWS to nonprofits

schestowitz-TR

and now doubling the price

matey

first ones free

schestowitz-TR

yes

schestowitz-TR

aws is lockin

AdmFubar

so it is now twice free?

schestowitz-TR

I can tell you because sometimes I deal with it in my full-time job

schestowitz-TR

then even nonprofits are all stockhold syndrome

schestowitz-TR

and you cannot get them out from the cage

schestowitz-TR

AdmFubar: I don't know the pertinent details

AdmFubar

but it is such a pretty gold cage....

schestowitz-TR

one client is a charity/journalism re Iran

DaemonFC

Sold and shipped by dongguanshisuyingshangmaoyouxiangongsi

DaemonFC

O_O

schestowitz-TR

and they sought 'free' AWS

schestowitz-TR

this year AWS did the bait-switrch carrot-stick thing

schestowitz-TR

Clownflare will do the same

schestowitz-TR

Cloudflare is LOSING money

matey

where did they stick the carrot?

schestowitz-TR

in khumeini

techrights-news

"Most servers these days have an IPMI, including more or less all of ours. One of the standard IPMI functions is a 'system event log'" https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/sysadmin/IPMIClocksDrift

Mar 28 06:18

-altlink_63e/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: utoronto.ca | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/sysadmin/IPMIClocksDrift

Mar 28 06:18

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-utcc.utoronto.ca | Chris's Wiki :: blog/sysadmin/IPMIClocksDrift

Mar 28 06:18

techrights-news

"smart speakers" = microphones that transmit or spy https://ubuntu.com//blog/the-evolution-of-the-smart-home-current-trends-part-2

Mar 28 06:19

-altlink_63e/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: ubuntu.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://ubuntu.com//blog/the-evolution-of-the-smart-home-current-trends-part-2

Mar 28 06:19

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Evolution of the Smart Home: Current Trends [Part 2] | Ubuntu

Mar 28 06:19

techrights-news

"Let’s take a look back at the journey of smart home technology, uncover some of the trends in this industry’s development, and take stock of where we are now." https://ubuntu.com//blog/the-evolution-of-the-smart-home-how-it-started-part-1

Mar 28 06:20

-altlink_63e/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: ubuntu.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://ubuntu.com//blog/the-evolution-of-the-smart-home-how-it-started-part-1

Mar 28 06:20

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Evolution of the Smart Home: How it Started [Part 1] | Ubuntu

Mar 28 06:20

matey

one thing i dont understand about sr.ht is

Mar 28 06:21

matey

note there are non-profit-run repos

Mar 28 06:21

matey

so sr.ht charges money

matey

then you put your stuff there

matey

then someone gets hit by a bus

matey

their assets go to someone else

matey

sr.ht stops getting paid

matey

then what

matey

maybe they just stop allowing write access and keep it online, i dont know

techrights-news

"Open source apps offer Android users excellent alternatives to their mainstream competitors." https://www.androidpolice.com/best-free-open-source-apps-for-android/

-altlink_63e/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: androidpolice.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.androidpolice.com/best-free-open-source-apps-for-android/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidpolice.com | Our favorite open source apps for Android

techrights-news

Why Does Linux Have So Many Distributions? Linux Distros Explained • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163056

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Why Does Linux Have So Many Distributions? Linux Distros Explained | Tux Machines

techrights-news

Those who sympathise with Microsoft (ZemlinPAC, OSI etc.) are in effect abetting crime and corruption. https://itwire.com/government-tech-news/technology-regulation/microsoft-says-employees-sacked,-partnerships-ended-over-bribery-allegations.html

Mar 28 06:24

-altlink_63e/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: itwire.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://itwire.com/government-tech-news/technology-regulation/microsoft-says-employees-sacked,-partnerships-ended-over-bribery-allegations.html

Mar 28 06:24

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iTWire - Microsoft says employees sacked, partnerships ended over bribery allegations

Mar 28 06:24

matey

xWant to host your own projects here?

Mar 28 06:26

matey

Projects hosted on sourcehut are expected to pay for their account. Financial aid is available for those in need. You can cancel at any time without losing access to your data.

Mar 28 06:26

matey

so that sort of answers it.

Mar 28 06:26

techrights-news

ICBM: genocide for profit https://besacenter.org/ibm-holocaust/

-altlink_63e/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: besacenter.org | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://besacenter.org/ibm-holocaust/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-besacenter.org | IBM and the Holocaust

techrights-news

Akin to ethnic cleansing by Putler https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/ukraine-says-moscow-is-forcibly-moving-civilians-to-russia

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pbs.org | Ukraine says Moscow is forcibly moving civilians to Russia | PBS NewsHour

DaemonFC

Genocide as a Service

DaemonFC

GaaS

schestowitz-TR

Microsoft NaaS

schestowitz-TR

SaaS: Sureveillance Services

http://techrights.org/2021/04/04/microsoft-nationalism/

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft: Nationalism As A Service (NaaS) | Techrights

matey

their pricing page is a bit shit

matey

i cant get it to explain the details, it keeps reloading

matey

just put it in a table, its not hard

matey

responsive js fuckery-- at least it says its alpha

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/u-s-jobless-claims-hit-lowest-level-in-over-50-years

DaemonFC

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pbs.org | U.S. jobless claims hit lowest level in over 50 years | PBS NewsHour

DaemonFC

PBS Bullshit as a Service

DaemonFC

Funded by viewers like Bill

techrights-news

Same old shit in "HEY HI" clothing https://www.forbes.com/sites/robtoews/2022/03/27/a-wave-of-billion-dollar-language-ai-startups-is-coming/

-altlink_63e/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: forbes.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.forbes.com/sites/robtoews/2022/03/27/a-wave-of-billion-dollar-language-ai-startups-is-coming/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.forbes.com | A Wave Of Billion-Dollar Language AI Startups Is Coming

matey

practically bills station

matey

formerly "practically british station"

DaemonFC

"Jobless claims fell by 28,000 to 187,000 for the week ending March 19, the lowest since September of 1969, the Labor Department reported Thursday. First-time applications for jobless aid generally track the pace of layoffs."

matey

they used to run upstairs downstairs

DaemonFC

It's amazing how that can happen when the Labor Force Participation Rate is the lowest ever.

matey

monty python too

matey

before bbc america

techrights-news

Hitler did the same to Germany (e.g. Godel) https://www.lrt.lt/en/news-in-english/19/1653111/tech-talent-fleeing-russia-for-lithuania-opportunity-or-security-risk

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.lrt.lt | Tech talent fleeing Russia for Lithuania – opportunity or security risk? - LRT

DaemonFC

schestowitz, The Catholic Church cut mom down to part time and they're threatening to fire people to get their budget crisis under control.

matey

also owned by bill

matey

hes not even fucking british

DaemonFC

I told her to talk to the unemployment office. They told her they don't help people file unemployment in Indiana anymore.

DaemonFC

You have to call a 1-800 number.

techrights-news

"Europe's antitrust chief Margrethe Vestager won backing on Thursday from European Union members and EU lawmakers for her proposal" https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/corporate-news/new-eu-rules-regulating-u-s-tech-giants-likely-to-set-global-standard/90457821

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com | meta: New EU rules regulating U.S. tech giants likely to set global standard, CIO News, ET CIO

DaemonFC

She thought it was funny to "own the libs" or whatever.

DaemonFC

You can still file an unemployment claim in person in Illinois if you have to.

schestowitz-TR

[06:26] <matey> Projects hosted on sourcehut are expected to pay for their account. Financial aid is available for those in need. You can cancel at any time without losing access to your data.

schestowitz-TR

until they shut down the site

*SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@up8i4jsfapvuu.irc) has joined #techrights

schestowitz-TR

like joindiaspora did

DaemonFC

"The Federal Reserve launched a high-risk effort last week to tame the worst inflation since the early 1980s, raising its benchmark short-term interest rate and signaling up to six additional rate hikes this year."

DaemonFC

Which doesn't mean shit for working people.

DaemonFC

Just slightly raises the cost of taking on debt for share buybacks. Free money is, well, cheap money.

schestowitz-TR

[06:30] <DaemonFC> It's amazing how that can happen when the Labor Force Participation Rate is the lowest ever.

DaemonFC

So there's little downside for MICROS~1 and crApple and GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLAG too.

schestowitz-TR

yes, AND

schestowitz-TR

women are now working too

schestowitz-TR

so salaries were lowered

schestowitz-TR

and to keep a home with 3 kids you need TWO workers

DaemonFC

Feminists, everybody!

schestowitz-TR

for the same salary level

schestowitz-TR

Labor Force Participation is what they distract from

DaemonFC

If they had stayed home and taken care of the house and kids, this never would have happened.

matey

so now i understand the pricing plans of sr.ht

schestowitz-TR

COVID-19 lasted long enough for people to no longer count as "pursuing employment"

matey

basically you pay $2 if that fits what you think is your level of usage (its an honour system)

matey

you pay 5 for medium level

matey

and 10 for top level

schestowitz-TR

the letters they send out are fruitless, unless they want to clean toilets (that too is being assigned to undocumented workers, paid less and more docile)

matey

they all have the same features.

Mar 28 06:35

DaemonFC

Feminism is the worst thing to ever happen to this country.

Mar 28 06:35

matey

Feminism is the worst thing to ever happen to this country. <- nope

Mar 28 06:35

DaemonFC

A lot of people don't think women are capable of fucking shit up.

DaemonFC

Check out Mozilla.

matey

just like religion is harmless without fundamentalism, feminism is harmless without opportunism and ultra-leftism

DaemonFC

Even the Klan eventually went away.

DaemonFC

So the feminists are worse than the Klan.

matey

opportunism and ultra-leftism are the real problem. feminism is just the horse they ride in on.

DaemonFC

Feminism and globalization really fucked shit up.

schestowitz-TR

it's not a "Feminism" problem

schestowitz-TR

it's a capitalism problem

schestowitz-TR

and how capitalists distorted it

schestowitz-TR

like they do everything

schestowitz-TR

Feminism is good

schestowitz-TR

exploiting women is not

schestowitz-TR

like I said in yesterday's long video

DaemonFC

Feminism is part of what enabled the jobs shortage and the salary cuts.

schestowitz-TR

now they use "Feminism" as a schtick to get more patents

schestowitz-TR

more lawsuits

schestowitz-TR

more chaos

DaemonFC

Backstabbing like NAFTA did the rest.

schestowitz-TR

and you end up now with things like onlyfans

matey

nafta should have been called the american union

schestowitz-TR

and similar shit

schestowitz-TR

or people who sell their body instead of paying rent

DaemonFC

"OnlyFans"

schestowitz-TR

or young girls becoming "plane bros" ofm Jeff and Bill

matey

it extended all the way to central america (but not at the same time)

schestowitz-TR

From the Bill and Lolita Gates Foundation

matey

cafta was separate from nafta

DaemonFC

Yes, OnlyFans is what young people are turning to because it pays better than fucking McDonalds.

DaemonFC

Especially since there's no need to buy a car and burn gas.

matey

but only legally, not geographically (it was still an agreement with the usa)

techrights-news

"Although exceedingly rare, some public libraries in Utah have also noticed an increase in book challenges" https://www.ksl.com/article/50375904/schools-have-become-the-latest-culture-war-battleground-are-public-libraries-next

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matey

/me thinks someone at mcdonalds should start an onlyfans

techrights-news

"Alec Muffet, an ex-Facebook developer who is responsible for writing code that has enabled major websites such as Facebook" https://inews.co.uk/news/technology/bbc-dark-web-russia-censorship-putin-1534974

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*schestowitz-TR does not know how onlyfans work, never saw it

matey

/me is only vaguely familiar

schestowitz-TR

DaemonFC: is there something inherently there about selling sex?

schestowitz-TR

or is it just being relegated to that?

matey

probably both

matey

/me checks if webcomics use it

schestowitz-TR

from what I understand, I only read some articles, it is a site

schestowitz-TR

maybe also an "app"

matey

OnlyFans is an internet content subscription service based in London. <- haha

schestowitz-TR

and some people upload "racy" things there

matey

i dont think its only about adult content

schestowitz-TR

and get paid for it

matey

for example there are youtubers who offer racier content on onlyfans

schestowitz-TR

the media seems to only mention it in relation to "adult content"

matey

but i dont think thats the entire model (in other words its not just "go to my onlyfans to see my without my top")

schestowitz-TR

so has it become like soft porn/erotica site?

matey

schestowitz-TR

like a shadow youtube but midway to porntube?

matey

matey

heres a non-racy usage: you subscribe to a youtube channel

matey

it would have to be a really amazing channel

matey

hten you go to onlyfans and supporters get access to "making of" videos

matey

and everyone is entirely clothed

matey

so basically similar to patreon

techrights-news

"Since the Taliban’s blitz takeover of Afghanistan six months ago, the songs have gone silent in the historic musicians’ quarter of Kabul." https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2022/03/24/2003775385

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.taipeitimes.com | Afghan capital’s historic musicians’ quarter turns silent - Taipei Times

matey

but since they allow age-restricted content, you could in theory see the entire cast running around nude

matey

it depends what their goals are

matey

id compare it to reddit before porntube

schestowitz-TR

my dad is very upset about those things

matey

since reddit had loads of nude / naughty stuff but also just pages of crap about "linux"

schestowitz-TR

he says, now people use "apps" for sex

schestowitz-TR

he explains that "back in his days"

matey

they made the same argument against cars

schestowitz-TR

people would date many times before even kissing

schestowitz-TR

let alone sex

matey

when motorcars started to become mainstream

schestowitz-TR

now people get "apps" and just hook up like it's a virtual brothel

matey

people said they would become "houses of prostitution on wheels"

matey

because its like your own little hotel you can just drive and park anywhere

matey

and indeed, people use cars that way.

schestowitz-TR

but waiut

schestowitz-TR

the equiv here would be blaming "the internet"

schestowitz-TR

or "phones"

matey

sure

DaemonFC

<schestowitz-TR> or is it just being relegated to that?

matey

the internet is for porn-- theres even a song

schestowitz-TR

what we talk of now is a particular site/platform

schestowitz-TR

or "sex-finding apps"

DaemonFC

Well, when you say OnlyFans, everyone knows you mean porn.

DaemonFC

So when they said they were going to get rid of porn, then reversed themselves, it led to confusion.

matey

the mighty forbes! https://www.forbes.com/sites/julieruvolo/2011/05/20/the-internet-is-for-porn-so-lets-talk-about-it/

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schestowitz-TR

the internet should NOT be for pr0n

matey

(yes im actually that julian whatever his name is from forbes. also i run theverge, surprise)

schestowitz-TR

internet is for surveillance

schestowitz-TR

pr0n should be offline

matey

the problem with offline porn is the pages are all stuck together

schestowitz-TR

now you have people going to sex shops (never bought nothing in such stores...) and pay with apps and cards

matey

but seriously, people enjoy producing their own, so thats online

DaemonFC

<schestowitz-TR> he says, now people use "apps" for sex

matey

even on reddit

DaemonFC

I was probably one of the first Grindr users.

DaemonFC

In 2009.

schestowitz-TR

Stephen Fry-approved

DaemonFC

But back to about 2001, I met people from various places on the web.

DaemonFC

Yahoo was a good place to go looking.

matey

grindr is definitely the sort of thing where youd want to be one of the early users

DaemonFC

There were chatrooms.

matey

not a late adopter wo doesnt know where its been

DaemonFC

One was called Indiana M4M.

schestowitz-TR

I never had sex with someone I met online

DaemonFC

People would literally just say like "19 M Muncie".

DaemonFC

Then if someone was nearby, then they might private message you.

matey

"you had me at '19 m'"

DaemonFC

I guess I was just lucky that nothing really bad ever happened.

DaemonFC

There are a lot of weirdos out there.

matey

its funny, i feel the same way about sex apps as your dad, for completely the opposite reason

matey

it doesnt bother me that people use them for sex

matey

it bothers me that google is involved!

schestowitz-TR

his concern goes further than this

DaemonFC

Oh there's a lot more than Goolag involved with Grindr.

schestowitz-TR

never mind STDs and moral issues

matey

ive met people online, but ive never used an app for it

DaemonFC

It has a million trackers.

matey

because if i need to buy a smartphone to get laid theres something wrong with the world

matey

i dont need google in my love live

schestowitz-TR

no, let's look at this differnetly

schestowitz-TR

if you can "know" a person based on something on a screen

DaemonFC

My batting average for that was about 0.5% on the STI front but it was easily dealt with.

schestowitz-TR

more so a tiny little phone

DaemonFC

When I was 19.

matey

google! set me up with a hot date

schestowitz-TR

then you are wasting your time

DaemonFC

Out of a couple hundred, I guess that's not as bad as what could have happened.

matey

people have started marriages and families based solely on pen and paper

matey

the idea that a screen cant convey that is hooey

schestowitz-TR

right, but those can be the exception

matey

more often the screen is just a gateway to meeting people in person

matey

its not like the marriage is officiated by an app (yet anyway)

schestowitz-TR

in the 1990s if you married something you met "online" it was a "big deal"

DaemonFC

Many of the people from apps don't want to trade names.

matey

right but thats sketchy sex with strangers

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matey

and its not like i think it should be illegal, i just dont relate to it

matey

ive lived in some VERY predominantly gay places

matey

i get it.

matey

there was a place down the street for that sort of thing

DaemonFC

Logan's Run predicted Grindr.

schestowitz-TR

some people want sex so badly

matey

and im not trying to pin it just on gays, these days its increasinly popular

schestowitz-TR

maybe media contributes to that

DaemonFC

Remember him getting on that thing that showed you people wanting sex and it would beam them to your apartment?

matey

among every demographic

matey

/me never saw logans run either

DaemonFC

It was pretty good as a cult scifi movie from the 70s.

matey

yeah ive seen a clip or two

matey

but i dont think that counts

matey

i thought they made it into a television series

Mar 28 06:58

techrights-news

"Russian armed forces have been bullying and threatening journalists and local media" https://rsf.org/en/news/russians-use-abduction-hostage-taking-threaten-ukrainian-journalists-occupied-zones

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techrights-news

"During his career spanning over half a century, Engin worked for and managed several newspapers and magazines." https://bianet.org/english/media/259579-prominent-journalist-aydin-engin-passes-away-at-81

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AdmFubar

it was a series

Mar 28 07:01

techrights-news

"When I was working at AWS, around 2017 we started getting excited pitches from companies who wanted to be part of the 5G build-out, saying that obviously there’d be lots of opportunities for public-cloud providers. But I never walked away convinced." https://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/202x/2022/03/26/Is-5G-BS

Mar 28 07:01

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tbray.org | ongoing by Tim Bray · 5G Skeptic

Mar 28 07:01

matey

bad news for sr.ht "After eight weeks, your case will be manually reviewed. We may choose to provide you with a complete export of your data and close your account. Note that this data export can be re-imported into sr.ht again should you choose to register for another account, or can be taken to a third-party instance, with little to no information loss."

DaemonFC

<matey> i thought they made it into a television series

matey

so they actually will remove repos for non-payment

DaemonFC

One season and cancelled.

matey

but only after the alpha

techrights-news

Microsoft is crime. Synonyms. Microsoft? CRIME. "Qatar’s Ministry of Education was paying $9.5 million annually over seven years for Microsoft Office and Windows licenses that they couldn't use because they didn't even have computers" http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-260322.html#tMar%2026%2020:53:37

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, March 26, 2022

matey

i think this is a bad idea. they should continue to host, and just remove write access to everyone.

DaemonFC

"Your data can be regained, more or less." -Clown Hosting

matey

then theyre a solid reliable repo, and theres PLENTY of incentive for people to keep funding it

schestowitz-TR

there's a saying

schestowitz-TR

like, "take care of yourself"

schestowitz-TR

"nobody will take care of you'

schestowitz-TR

that is more so applicable with "clown"

matey

trying to make the internet into a library isnt a stupid idea

schestowitz-TR

did Lukas keep running JoinDiaspora? No. He's not our sysadmin care giver

schestowitz-TR

he no longer gavea shit and I cannot blame it

schestowitz-TR

he was basically like a volunteer acting as a host for about 600 active users

matey

he should have just archived it

matey

it was possible to do without keeping the site online

schestowitz-TR

some people mentioned that

schestowitz-TR

the counterpoint was

matey

there are archivists who specialise in this

schestowitz-TR

it's a problem for legal reasons

matey

yeah copyright

schestowitz-TR

like account deletion and takedown requests

matey

i complained a decade ago that they should have cc licenses on posts (as an option)

matey

so that at least they could archive whatever was cc licensed

matey

but noooooooooo

techrights-news

Nebraska Rep. Fortenberry says he will resign following conviction for lying to FBI ⚓ https://text.npr.org/1089034831 ䷉ Source: BillPR

matey

the problem with forward thinking is you have to wait for everyone else to catch up

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-text.npr.org | Nebraska Rep. Fortenberry says he will resign following conviction for lying to FBI

matey

and then join diaspora cant be archived

matey

well i think i actually told them so

techrights-news

old: microsoft windows tco https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fi&tl=en&u=https://www.iltalehti.fi/talous/a/200808070094136

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www-iltalehti-fi.translate.goog | Sampo Pankki menettänyt kymmeniä tuhansia asiakkaita

matey

maybe rms can explain how fair use helps here

matey

wait, it fucking doesnt, its useless

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matey

though to be fair, this is one situation where even no-derivs would be better than nothing

Mar 28 07:09

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Mar 28 07:10

techrights-news

The Real Cost of a Magical Education ⚓ https://reason.com/2022/03/26/the-real-cost-of-a-magical-education/ ䷉ Source: reason

Mar 28 07:11

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-reason.com | The Real Cost of a Magical Education

Mar 28 07:11

matey

funnily enough the first time i was quoted in techrights was more than 10 years ago

Mar 28 07:11

techrights-news

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schestowitz-TR

matey: under what name was it?

schestowitz-TR

or the context?

schestowitz-TR

i saw the wordpress.com blog no sooner than maybe 2016

techrights-news

Trump may need to look up the definition of "smart" | Salon.com ⚓ https://www.salon.com/2022/03/27/may-need-to-look-up-the-definition-of-smart/ ䷉ Source: salon

Mar 28 07:16

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Mar 28 07:16

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Trump may need to look up the definition of "smart" | Salon.com

Mar 28 07:16

matey

<schestowitz-TR> matey: under what name was it? <- ive shown the quote to other people

techrights-news

"In the first six months of 2021, YouTube processed four million automated Content ID claims every day but sometimes the involvement of a human being is the only way to tackle copyright disputes." https://torrentfreak.com/youtube-needs-a-copyright-specialist-to-handle-high-risk-takedowns-220327/

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matey

you might be able to find it

matey

without joindiaspora being up anymore, its unlikely to be possible it was me anyway

Mar 28 07:18

matey

to prove

Mar 28 07:18

matey

nonetheless, i was there

Mar 28 07:18

matey

the context was free software related of course

Mar 28 07:19

matey

yes thats vague

Mar 28 07:19

matey

then i stopped paying attention for while, got distracted with other things (like debian)

Mar 28 07:20

matey

(before systemd)

Mar 28 07:20

matey

started giving away computers with debian on them

techrights-news

They'd kill people before they let this pass https://truthout.org/articles/billionaires-would-pay-nearly-100-times-more-in-taxes-under-new-biden-proposal/

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matey

running several debian machines at a nonprofit

matey

id login from my smartphone and run updates using aptitude over ssh

techrights-news

Lack of money? Yes. The military wants MOAR. 330,000,000 USians are 'collaterals' https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/03/27/770-billion-military-poisoned-water-military-families

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | $770 Billion For the Military—Poisoned Water for Military Families | Liz Walters

matey

over the wifi (no open ports on the router)

Mar 28 07:23

techrights-news

A million deaths later the regimes stopped caring about lives https://truthout.org/articles/the-pandemic-isnt-over-yet-but-congress-is-willing-to-gamble-that-it-is/

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matey

people would be using the machines for web access while updates were running

matey

the machines shut themselves off after hours so no one had to shut them down

Mar 28 07:25

schestowitz-TR

debian is still the root of so many distros

Mar 28 07:25

schestowitz-TR

and it's so poor

schestowitz-TR

SPI

schestowitz-TR

very cheap to bribe and disrupt

matey

its always the people at the top to blame

matey

and the people underneath who do so little about it

*DaemonFC has quit (connection closed)

matey

but its the people who did the bribing and who took the bribes first

matey

only after that do i blame other people for doing nothing

techrights-news

"Pinball machines are large, complex, and heavy boxes of joy and delight. However, when you don’t have the money or space for one, you have to make your own mini Raspberry Pi-powered one" https://hackaday.com/2022/03/27/tiny-pinball-is-as-cute-as-pi/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Tiny Pinball Is As Cute As Pi | Hackaday

matey

and doing anything takes a long time

matey

so i understand that too

matey

but people make the dumbest excuses sometimes

matey

like its one thing when you dont know

matey

its another when you know, and-- just think of anything to justify doing nothing

Mar 28 07:28

matey

people always make excuses at first, thats a given

Mar 28 07:28

matey

so its really just the ongoing pattern of excuses i find really stupid

Mar 28 07:28

matey

sort of like dane cook says a girl wont break up with an arsehole bf because "its not that simple, he still has my cds in his truck"

Mar 28 07:29

matey

but then thats stockholm syndrome

Mar 28 07:30

matey

so you forgive people for that because its human and they cant help it

Mar 28 07:30

matey

and whats leftover after all these exceptions are the opportunists, liars and people who arent DIRECTLY responsible, but are just as bad as the ones who are

matey

the people who just want to be on the side thats "winning"

matey

the people who only care if it helps them win an argument

matey

in other words, dicks

matey

and as microsoft demonstrates, dicks (not just men, women can be dicks too) are a huge part of the tech industry

Mar 28 07:32

matey

any industry really

Mar 28 07:32

matey

dicks ruined debian, theyll get gnu too

Mar 28 07:33

matey

not enough people to defend it

Mar 28 07:34

matey

there are, oddly enough, enough people to rebuild it. seems illogical.

Mar 28 07:34

matey

but thats how motivation works.

Mar 28 07:34

techrights-news

Generating Composite Video On ESP32 With LVGL GUI https://hackaday.com/2022/03/27/generating-composite-video-on-esp32-with-lvgl-gui/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Generating Composite Video On ESP32 With LVGL GUI | Hackaday

matey

people arent motivated to help the fsf fix what they allowed to be taken over

matey

why? just to have the fsf allow it to be taken over again?

matey

theres no motivation there

matey

mozilla is a more extreme example

Mar 28 07:37

matey

the only way to fix mozilla is to fork it or build an alternative

Mar 28 07:37

matey

gemini counts imo (its not THE alternative but its a damned good one)

Mar 28 07:37

matey

something monolithic like mozilla can be replaced with a handful of partial alternatives-- you want it to be partial anyway

Mar 28 07:38

matey

if it doesnt include pocket or drm thats an upgrade

Mar 28 07:38

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Mar 28 07:44

*schestowitz-TR back on desk

Mar 28 07:46

schestowitz-TR

librewolf is ok

Mar 28 07:46

techrights-news

"One million US deaths from COVID-19. Catatonic politics on climate change. Communities suffocating from environmental injustice." https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/03/27/grim-consequences-sidelining-science-nearly-one-million-us-covid-deaths-and-climate

Mar 28 07:47

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Mar 28 07:47

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | The Grim Consequences of Sidelining Science: Nearly One Million US Covid Deaths and the Climate Crisis | Derrick Z. Jackson

Mar 28 07:47

techrights-news

"Climate change is sad. It's frightening. It's demoralizing." https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/03/27/we-battle-ongoing-climate-crisis-we-must-address-mental-health-crisis-its-causing

Mar 28 07:48

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Mar 28 07:48

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | As We Battle the Ongoing Climate Crisis, We Must Address the Mental Health Crisis It’s Causing Too | David Suzuki

Mar 28 07:48

techrights-news

"This minimum tax would make sure that the wealthiest Americans no longer pay a tax rate lower than teachers and firefighters." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/27/biden-tax-plan-would-force-top-10-billionaires-alone-pay-215-billion-over-next

Mar 28 07:49

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Mar 28 07:49

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Mar 28 07:49

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"after the demise of political figures, their troubling histories are whitewashed in the name of respecting their memories" https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/03/27/im-iraqi-and-i-remember-madeleine-albright-who-she-truly-was

Mar 28 07:50

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Mar 28 07:50

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"Democratic (and Republican) Senators found no time to tap into Judge Jackson’s knowledge and analysis of the grave issues regarding the nexus of the power of giant corporations and the Constitution." https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/03/27/amid-disgraceful-questions-judge-jackson-not-one-about-corporate-power

Mar 28 07:54

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Mar 28 07:59

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Mar 28 08:10

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Mar 28 08:10

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What the FORK is this??? "In case you missed EFF's Tweet"... in the NOTIFICATIONS bar in Twitter. So now they're spamming even the NOTIFICATIONS area, not just with ads (usually limited to searches etc.) but "promoted" shite. Twitter needs to die already. It is a propaganda engine.

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schestowitz-TR

hi, eye

eye

eye

schestowitz-TR

eye

what you up to?

Mar 28 09:28

SomeH4x0r

KiwiIRC clownflare :(

Mar 28 09:28

SomeH4x0r

the Internet will be ruined and I won't be able to be happy anymore ever

Mar 28 09:29

eye

should i use mibbit instead?

Mar 28 09:30

SomeH4x0r

a proper IRC client, not web gateway

Mar 28 09:30

SomeH4x0r

Mibbit isn't behind clownflare afaik though

Mar 28 09:31

SomeH4x0r

but it has ads and maybe other shit

Mar 28 09:31

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eye

is libera irc using clownflare?

Mar 28 09:34

eye

freenode ?

Mar 28 09:34

SomeH4x0r

IRC protocol is not affected. HTTP is

Mar 28 09:34

SomeH4x0r

new freenode website is affected. Libera.Chat isn't afaik.

eye

cause of doss

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SomeH4x0r

"abuse" is a fake excuse to restrict people

https://www.gnu.org/software/gnump3d/

SomeH4x0r

DDoS attacks are not persistent, they happen once a while

Mar 28 09:36

eye

thats i see on some sites

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bnchs

how do you destroy a software company

Mar 28 11:59

bnchs

hire tons of low-salary indians

Mar 28 11:59

psydruid

like IBM or Microsoft?

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matey

Mar 28 12:49

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Mar 28 12:49

matey

obviously this is a gnu developed and cares about free software and liberating users

Mar 28 12:50

matey

developer ^

Mar 28 12:50

matey

if you go to his github profile, updated just yesterday, you can see hes in this for the users:

Mar 28 12:51

matey

"I believe in the value of Open Source software, and run Linux upon all the systems I control."

Mar 28 12:51

matey

great!

Mar 28 12:51

matey

of course you might think im trying to single out or pick on poor steve. its not about steve at all.

Mar 28 12:52

matey

this is about the reality of gnu. ive heard its a cult!

Mar 28 12:52

matey

and my answer to that is "yes, its a cult of corporate takeover"

Mar 28 12:52

matey

you cant expect every gnu developer to be "ideologically pure" and really, its just as well that they DONT take oaths, etc. (although libreplanet demands you do-- and then they open sourcify everything and call it "free software")

Mar 28 12:53

matey

but if youre looking for the gnu developers who actually stand for anything, well

Mar 28 12:53

matey

steve isnt the droid we are looking for.

Mar 28 12:54

matey

the point isnt steve-- the point is, where are these brave people who the fsf says are "fighting for our freedom"

Mar 28 12:54

matey

i dont know, maybe steve knows. perhaps hes talked to one of them. after all, hes a gnu developer.

Mar 28 12:54

matey

i consider leah a gnu developer incidentally. i mean thats not officially true anymore (perhaps on either side of it-- i think even leah would dispute it)

Mar 28 12:55

matey

but at any rate, leah WAS a gnu developer, and still holds some values i consider-- well, liberating

Mar 28 12:55

matey

THATS a gnu developer

Mar 28 12:55

matey

kingoffrance could (rightly so) just pull out something about "scotsmen" and be done with it

Mar 28 12:56

matey

for whatever reason, i still think theres a point to be made here. one that people can understand.

Mar 28 12:56

matey

i know it will become clearer over time, as it has for the past 7 years.

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matey

im not looking for a group of gnu developers to throw stones at for not being "gnu enough" though its easy enough to see it that way

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matey

im looking for the ones that actually stand for something.

matey

since theyre not easy to spot (ive even checked the pro-rms list for them, and talked to some of those) its simply a process of elimination

Mar 28 13:00

matey

at this point gnu might be more fiction than fact. but i believe it was real (by default) at one point.

Mar 28 13:00

schestowitz-TR

GNU is a brand

matey

it started to crumble 7 years ago at the latest. before that, im not sure-- ive certainly tried to figure out if it did before that (like in 2011)

schestowitz-TR

but it stands for uncompromising

matey

no, gnu isnt even a brand anymore

schestowitz-TR

and rather simple, not vendor lockin

schestowitz-TR

it has also been around for very

schestowitz-TR

very, long

schestowitz-TR

so you're assume it's safe to put that in your pipeline

matey

this is more about whether the code is safe

matey

but for example, part of gnu wget is developed on github

schestowitz-TR

its diretion

schestowitz-TR

compare wordpress

schestowitz-TR

to mediagoblin

matey

the direction is bad

schestowitz-TR

wordpress adopts tons of JS

matey

the direction of the web is bad

matey

the direction of wordpress is useless bloat

schestowitz-TR

and it's not run by "UX" hyipsters

matey

exactly

matey

theyre not doing this for the users, the users are complaining bitterly-- users who were happy for years (decades)

schestowitz-TR

btw

matey

theyre chasing fads

schestowitz-TR

with guternberg in wordpress

schestowitz-TR

I heard the original interface lead resigned

schestowitz-TR

wasn't happy with what they had done

matey

i would have done the same

schestowitz-TR

that's principles

matey

resigning isnt always the best option, but when you try to save something and its not working, leaving is a valid option

schestowitz-TR

the systemdfree blog was very unhappy with wordpress.com imposing this UI

schestowitz-TR

yet keeps on the same platform for now

schestowitz-TR

it's not even compatible with many browsers

matey

yeah hes been complaining for years

schestowitz-TR

yet outsourcing the blog

schestowitz-TR

to a company

matey

he did some useful research on things like dbus

schestowitz-TR

that controls also the domain

schestowitz-TR

he didn't get his own domain

matey

sure but wordpress.COM users are guinea pigs for new bullshit

matey

and he knows that

schestowitz-TR

so if they shut down the web site or suspend his account, it's back to square one

schestowitz-TR

wordpress.com and blogspot.com allow you to have your own domain

matey

sure

schestowitz-TR

I was one of the first users and a tester there

schestowitz-TR

maybe first 10 users

schestowitz-TR

emailed matt personally to set me up a test account

matey

the ((?)) in wordpress reminded me so much of the infamous cashew in kde 4

matey

it was even more annoying

matey

i was certainly there before ((?)) was added

matey

depending on screen resolution you had to scroll around it just to use wp for reading a blog

matey

just for reading it

matey

so paragraph wise it could technically waste an entire inch of reading area

schestowitz-TR

you had a blog there too

schestowitz-TR

iirc, before guterberg

schestowitz-TR

I cannot stand the sight of that GUI

matey

its puke

schestowitz-TR

iirc, it force you to do title first

schestowitz-TR

writers choose title LAST

schestowitz-TR

not first

schestowitz-TR

it's a dictator's UI

schestowitz-TR

trying to tell me how to type, where, when

matey

its tehe systemdickification of wordpress

matey

which again, kde did before debian did

matey

no one cared about systemd before it became mandatory (except mincer)

schestowitz-TR

i write my blog posts in kate (used write until 2005), inserting it into the old UI is OK, quite fast,

matey

(because hes fucking smart)

matey

kates not a bad editor

matey

if it wasnt kde-based im sure i would say it was quality

schestowitz-TR

it's great even

schestowitz-TR

I tried many others

matey

i dont like tabbed editors personally

matey

theres a lot to be said in favour of them, its a personal preference

matey

i prefer to have one window for each buffer

matey

and the smallest footprint editor possible

matey

but geany for example-- lets you do search and replace across every tab!

matey

which is pretty awesome

matey

so i can see the point in that

matey

kate may have that too, i never tried it

matey

kate is not github

matey

afaik

matey

being kde means probably not gh

matey

i loved kde until 4 came out. i dont want a desktop that fails if you dont have gfx acceleration

matey

or for whatever reason plasma always failed on me. obviously you dont need plasma to run kate

matey

i didnt like being a second-class citizen on kde 4

matey

also aseigo signed the anti-rms letter

Mar 28 13:14

matey

not the fault of everyone else who develops it

Mar 28 13:14

matey

hes a dick so

Mar 28 13:14

matey

let me check if it was seigo, not someone newer

Mar 28 13:15

matey

seiego did the cashew shit, i think the newer lead is the one who signed

Mar 28 13:15

matey

i wonder what ettrich is up to these days

Mar 28 13:16

*schestowitz-TR back

Mar 28 13:16

schestowitz-TR

kde uses invent.kde.org

Mar 28 13:16

schestowitz-TR

which iirc is gitlab

schestowitz-TR

asseigo seemed unlikely a signer

schestowitz-TR

so when you mention him I thought, o'rly?

schestowitz-TR

nate graham?

schestowitz-TR

he's a former apple fan

schestowitz-TR

it's a VERY useless thing to sign

schestowitz-TR

NOTHIGN to gain

schestowitz-TR

first it is FLASE

schestowitz-TR

second, it's a statement of hate

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schestowitz-TR

so it's like saying

schestowitz-TR

"I don't care about facts"

Mar 28 13:19

schestowitz-TR

"and second, fuck this old man on the spectrum"

Mar 28 13:19

matey

fuck its difficult to find info on the kde team

Mar 28 13:19

matey

just to be clear, seigo isnt the lead anymore and DID NOT sign

schestowitz-TR

there are twitter accounts I saw

schestowitz-TR

connected to the troll here

schestowitz-TR

which say

schestowitz-TR

screw old people

schestowitz-TR

esp. white and male

schestowitz-TR

I mean,

matey

so hes innocent (a bit of a shit, but innocent)

schestowitz-TR

they don't choose to be old

schestowitz-TR

or white

schestowitz-TR

or male

schestowitz-TR

so that's a attement of hate and bigotry

matey

well im simply conflating the leader of kde 4 with the leader of kde 5

schestowitz-TR

and they use the platform, twitter, to compel twitter to ban such people

matey

indeed

*zleap has quit (Client Quit)

matey

it makes twitter look like they care about something

matey

its cheap but it works (with silly people)

matey

is it nate graham?

schestowitz-TR

no idea

schestowitz-TR

just said a name

schestowitz-TR

who is chief of kde now?

schestowitz-TR

I think a german

schestowitz-TR

but not sure which of the twoi

schestowitz-TR

the founder mostly vanished

schestowitz-TR

he mad lyx and kde

schestowitz-TR

two projects I love

matey

its not graham

matey

who is chief of kde now <- this is something i checked months ago but i cant find it now

schestowitz-TR

after taking that german medal I hardly heard anything about him, just some anniversary interviews

matey

websites are so useless these days

matey

meet the team shouldnt be hard to find

schestowitz-TR

doesn't matter

matey

kingdomdrivenentrepreneur.com/about-kde/meet-the-team/ <- rofl

schestowitz-TR

don't personify where it won't help

schestowitz-TR

kde's statement on rms was not so bad

schestowitz-TR

compared to gnome and other

matey

<schestowitz-TR> doesn't matter <- it matters to get this statement correct

schestowitz-TR

kde wanted more transparency from fsf

matey

kde's statement on rms was not so bad <- im not going by the statement.

schestowitz-TR

and fsf responded to that effect

schestowitz-TR

suse was just sap

schestowitz-TR

some idiot from sap

schestowitz-TR

who knows nothing about free software and gnu/linux

schestowitz-TR

even made statements on russia

schestowitz-TR

pure businessism

matey

i have no idea where youre supposed to find out WHO developes kde

matey

again, i checked this months ago and it wasnt difficult

schestowitz-TR

it's not centralised

schestowitz-TR

kde is the framework

schestowitz-TR

cats herded

schestowitz-TR

some applications are qt

matey

this is ridiculous

schestowitz-TR

some kde

schestowitz-TR

kde framework

schestowitz-TR

plasma

schestowitz-TR

kde software compilation( (SC) at one point

schestowitz-TR

the distros can decide how much of kde they want

schestowitz-TR

last night I installed konversation in kdeneon

schestowitz-TR

a lot of kde softwaare is not there in kde distros

matey

Community Information Hub <- useless

matey

you cant find the project leader anywhere (same thing happening at fsf)

Mar 28 13:27

matey

voluntary self-decapitation?

Mar 28 13:27

matey

its a bloody open secret

Mar 28 13:27

matey

https://community.kde.org/index.php?search=proejct+leader <- no results

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matey

oh i mistyped

matey

8 results now, best one https://community.kde.org/KDE_Project_History/KDE_Two_(Developer_Meeting)

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matey

thats useful.

matey

the leader of kde has gone into hiding.

Mar 28 13:29

schestowitz-TR

now Uew?

schestowitz-TR

Uwe

schestowitz-TR

check KDEeV

matey

it shouldnt take 20 minutes to find this-- it took TWO last time i tried (2021)

schestowitz-TR

and their board meeting

schestowitz-TR

that'll tell you who does the hiring

matey

kdeev is a separate insitutiton

matey

it would be like trying to find who the dpl is via spi

matey

which might work, though try it

schestowitz-TR

kde is not in spi

matey

no i mean the dpl

matey

of debian

schestowitz-TR

jon cartel

matey

if you want to know who the dpl is you just go to wikipedia

schestowitz-TR

carter

matey

point is, with debian its trivial, you dont need to go to spi (and spi probably wouldnt say because they dont choose the dpl)

schestowitz-TR

2 more people run against him now

schestowitz-TR

one sounds like japanese name

schestowitz-TR

the other felix, probably european

matey

oh jon carter is kde lead now?

schestowitz-TR

schestowitz-TR

kde does not have lead per se

schestowitz-TR

there is a board

schestowitz-TR

thew eV

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_e.V.

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_e.V )

schestowitz

"Key peopleAleix Pol i Gonzàlez (President)'

schestowitz

KDE leader

schestowitz

spanish iirc

matey

schestowitz-TR> kde does not have lead per se <- i dont believe this is true

matey

they had a lead a year ago.

bnchs

hours late, but if you hire indians

bnchs

you can save alot on money

matey

/KDE_e.V <- kde ev is an org, like spi. kde is a project, like debian

matey

it has a project leader.

schestowitz

PresidentAleix Pol González

bnchs

and get even less efficient software

schestowitz

Vice PresidentLydia Pintscher

schestowitz

Treasurer and Vice PresidentEike Hein

matey

or it did a year ago.

schestowitz

Board MemberNeofytos Kolokotronis

schestowitz

Board MemberAdriaan de Groot

matey

youre reading irrelevant information from the wrong source.

schestowitz

"irko Boehm became treasurer"

matey

you might as well tell me debian doesnt have a dpl because spi doesnt list one.

bnchs

did you know: an airplane crashed due to the software being outsourced to india, which disengaged autopilot

schestowitz

Later sold out to OINk

matey

treasure of kde ev.

schestowitz-TR

shit software can be made anywhere

schestowitz-TR

not just india

bnchs

yeah i know

schestowitz-TR

the boeing blames rushed the software dev

schestowitz-TR

for financial reasons

schestowitz-TR

it costs them a lot more at the end, canceled orders and recalls

bnchs

but even then

bnchs

there are companies that like to outsource to other 3rd world countries

matey

The KDE Community An international team developing and distributing Open Source software. <- there you go, kde is open source

bnchs

which saves them money

bnchs

but makes shit low-quality software

bnchs

poorly-tested

schestowitz-TR

a lot of development is of was outsourced to ukraine

schestowitz-TR

the issue is money savings

schestowitz-TR

not the outsourcing per se

schestowitz-TR

or the country

schestowitz-TR

its singy companies

bnchs

yeah

schestowitz-TR

they ship prematurely on shoehorn budget

bnchs

they like to get greedy on development

schestowitz-TR

like cameras with open telnet port

bnchs

which causes problems

schestowitz-TR

they don't want to know about sec issues

schestowitz-TR

because they hirt for audit

bnchs

schestowitz-TR: joke is

bnchs

i found a router with open telnet port

schestowitz-TR

and after hiring they learn things they don't want to know

schestowitz-TR

and shipping gets delayed

bnchs

it had some shit shell

schestowitz-TR

so they just throw them out there in bulk

bnchs

but you can get access to the busybox shell by doing "[command] && /bin/sh"

schestowitz-TR

it runs? SHIP.

matey

i find it pretty incredible that kde is a software development project

matey

and has no project leader. even when it did a year ago.

bnchs

you could get all of the router information

matey

but even if it didnt, still incredible.

bnchs

that way

matey

most large software projects do have a leader

schestowitz-TR

I prefer it this way

schestowitz-TR

like countries with president and PM

schestowitz-TR

no royalty

matey

oh yes? so you prefer a gnu project with no rms?

schestowitz-TR

seigo was a public face

schestowitz-TR

but not leaders

bnchs

anyway

schestowitz-TR

he was a perceived champ

bnchs

i found lots of internet crap

schestowitz-TR

but not a dictator

bnchs

including routers

matey

because gnu without rms is a ple of shit.

matey

pile as well

schestowitz-TR

debian shufflel leaders often

bnchs

have shitton of security issues

schestowitz-TR

but that makes it easy to game

bnchs

and even abandoned updates

schestowitz-TR

imagine fsf shuffling board pre and ed every year

schestowitz-TR

one wrong pick and your org is f*ed

matey

youre not making any sense at all

matey

no leaders, no accountability

matey

someone is coordinating things at kde

schestowitz-TR

it should be decentralised

schestowitz-TR

and federalised

matey

theyre just making the information harder to find

schestowitz-TR

like states

psydruid

coordinating for bloat?

schestowitz-TR

in kde there are many components

matey

it should be decentralised <- so in other words, rms should step down from gn

matey

gnu

schestowitz-TR

fediverse and disapora are the same

schestowitz-TR

no single leader

matey

thats what gnu.fools wanted.

schestowitz-TR

but many islands connected together

schestowitz-TR

bad instances/pods will die

schestowitz-TR

and the whole will carry on going

matey

on github.

bnchs

what happens if rms dies

bnchs

who will take his place

schestowitz-TR

fsf carries on

schestowitz-TR

nobody needs to take his place

matey

fsf certainly does carry on

schestowitz-TR

and nobody can

schestowitz-TR

because he alone is the founder

schestowitz-TR

at the moment rms is still camera-shy

matey

<schestowitz-TR> nobody needs to take his place <- well this is a bunch of claptrap

bnchs

bnchs

so the entire thing falls apart

bnchs

after he dies

matey

bnchs: yes

schestowitz-TR

so for 2+ years fsf was mostly on auto-pilot without much public authority from him

schestowitz-TR

zoe has caused no blunder so far

matey

because people are kind of dumb.

*psydruid imagines it to be santa claus

schestowitz-TR

I wait for libreplanet 2022 videos to be ready

bnchs

either through shit leader

bnchs

or no leadership

matey

<schestowitz-TR> so for 2+ years fsf was mostly on auto-pilot without much public authority from him <- this is of course is not the narrative from the fsf itself OR from people speaking from the inside

Mar 28 13:47

matey

and it wasnt doing well on "autopilot" either.

Mar 28 13:47

matey

but lets ignore all of that for rhetorical purposes.

Mar 28 13:47

matey

because it sort of undermines the point of whatever it is you think youre saying

Mar 28 13:48

matey

one of the goals of the coup was to 1. fake his stepping down from gnu 2. force him to step down from gnu

matey

now youre saying gnu doesnt need a project leader

matey

i would question this just because its what the backstabbers wanted.

matey

without a project leader, gnu has become MORE centralised, under microsoft.

bnchs

gnu needs a project leader that can be bribed easily

bnchs

thats what they meant by forcing rms to step down

matey

gnu seems to be fucked no matter what it does

matey

doesnt change the pros and cons of doing this or that.

bnchs

rms couldnt be bribed

bnchs

so they had to do it the hard way

matey

bnchs: you could be right

matey

the decapitation attack on linux didnt help linux

matey

the decapitation attack on gnu didnt help gnu

matey

so now the position is a headless gnu is a better gnu

schestowitz-TR

btw, kde is also federated in the corporate sense

matey

thats hilarious.

matey

kde isnt a corporation.

schestowitz-TR

quite a few companies going like datellite around qt and kde

schestowitz-TR

most of them northern european

schestowitz-TR

some are OEMs

matey

youre conflating kde the project with kde ev the corporation

matey

the corporation isnt a software project.

matey

spi is not the debian software distribution either.

matey

the president of spi is not the debian project leader.

schestowitz-TR

spi is a tax hack

matey

because theyre two different things.

matey

that may be

schestowitz-TR

spi does it for many other projects

schestowitz-TR

see their statement

matey

but theyre still two different things

schestowitz-TR

osi does it for microsoft

matey

kde is not a corporation.

schestowitz-TR

sfc for many others

matey

debian is also not a corporation

matey

and kde under the auspices of kde ev cannot be "federated in a corporate sense"

Mar 28 13:53

matey

its exactly the opposite of that

matey

thats as ridiculous as saying "federated under github"

matey

github is a single entity

schestowitz-TR

see copyrights in kde

schestowitz-TR

to some people kde is not a project

schestowitz-TR

or community

schestowitz-TR

but partly a job

schestowitz-TR

same in qt

schestowitz-TR

but qt becomes more about business and little else

matey

it can be a breath mint or a candy mint, its still a project.

schestowitz-TR

they try again

matey

nots not a corporation.

matey

its not a corporation.

schestowitz-TR

kde is a brand

schestowitz-TR

you use qt for soomething

schestowitz-TR

and then you can associate with the kde software distribution

schestowitz-TR

and same for gnu

schestowitz-TR

leah was on and off gnu

matey

kde is a brand <- really, so you download the trademark and then compile it using gcc?

schestowitz-TR

gnu does not impose toolkits

matey

kde is a brand, but thats nothing to do with this.

matey

gnu does not impose toolkits <- nor does the trademark actually.

schestowitz-TR

"KDE SC" had a reason

schestowitz-TR

I know the history rather

schestowitz-TR

well

matey

the project decides on the toolkits.

schestowitz-TR

as a KDE user since 2000

matey

the one that doesnt exist, apparently.

schestowitz-TR

there's KDE 'core

schestowitz-TR

like plasma and klipper

schestowitz-TR

klipper is very old

matey

because its decentralised under a single entity like github

schestowitz-TR

went throuh tons of changes

matey

sorry, "federated"

matey

this really is a lot of wank.

schestowitz-TR

pertinent sofwtare like KNode is there too

schestowitz-TR

and tons of cobbleed-together stuff, like KOrganiser and KMail, which then need underlying services for indexing and similar

schestowitz-TR

k3b is aroudn still, I guess

schestowitz-TR

but not limited to kde

matey

you go to https://kde.org/ and it says "kde goals" somewhere

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2019.

matey

i guess those are long term goals.

schestowitz-TR

kde is very ditributed

schestowitz-TR

BUT STILL

schestowitz-TR

far more organised than MicrosoftWindows

matey

Finalize the transition to Wayland and embrace the future of desktop

schestowitz-TR

at Microsoft the left hand no longer knows what the right is doing

matey

so there you go, whenever you push kde youre pushing wayland. congratulations.

schestowitz-TR

many dying or dead WIndows projects and OSes they tried, or bought

schestowitz-TR

and many editions of the same thing

matey

might as well start sucking up to wayland, because youre promoting it either way.

schestowitz-TR

I don't want wayland

matey

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I don't need it

matey

this is the systemdickification of kde

schestowitz-TR

and can work around to avoid it over time

schestowitz-TR

my scripts use x tools

matey

I don't need it <- you LITERALLY DO.

matey

<schestowitz-TR> and can work around to avoid it over time <- how?

schestowitz-TR

but maybe those scripts won't be of any use in 5 years

schestowitz-TR

so then I might not might a stable wayland

bnchs

wayland is the redhat of x11

schestowitz-TR

like pulseaudio, which generally works most of the time

schestowitz-TR

pipewire seems like a project in its diapers

bnchs

it still has issues

bnchs

like not having a good way to screenshot

matey

<bnchs> wayland is the redhat of x11 <- i hope youre getting this, kde is pushing wayland

bnchs

nor screen record

matey

as "the future of the desktop"

psydruid

after being worked on since 2009

bnchs

you literally cant screen record not take screenshots

matey

the systemdickification of kde continues (it started with the cashew)

schestowitz-TR

bnchs: yes, it's not for me

bnchs

matey: wait what?

bnchs

pushing wayland?

schestowitz-TR

iCBM ruins Red Hat fast enough that it might become a spinoff company

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matey

"Finalize the transition to Wayland and embrace the future of desktop"

schestowitz-TR

matey: what are you using at this very moment?

psydruid

how could they omit screen streaming and recording as one of the fundamental features of the "new" Wayland protocol?

matey

<schestowitz-TR> matey: what are you using at this very moment? <- be more specific

matey

using for what?

bnchs

psydruid: its a side effect

schestowitz-TR

irc

bnchs

of them trying to prevent X11 hijacking

matey

what does it matter what im using for irc?

bnchs

or something

schestowitz-TR

it matters

schestowitz-TR

to me

matey

i thought you were asking what i was using for a desktop

schestowitz-TR

evasive?

matey

its a question out of left field

schestowitz-TR

yes, for the irc session

matey

im curious why it matters

schestowitz-TR

unelss you use android or something...

matey

you should be able to figure it out. im sure ariadne can if she wants to.

schestowitz-TR

not trying to slag you off, just curious

matey

salright

schestowitz-TR

because I want to know the stack

matey

well if you know me

bnchs

schestowitz-TR: ctcp client?

matey

i avoid stacks

schestowitz-TR

for me at the moment all laptops are xorg

schestowitz-TR

3 KDEs

schestowitz-TR

one GNOME

schestowitz-TR

one Xfce4

Mar 28 14:07

schestowitz-TR

the one I type into with "-TR" is KDE4

Mar 28 14:07

matey

i considered xfce the lesser of three evils

bnchs

apparently

bnchs

in X11

matey

but lately its just failing like lxde

*u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@v6xmmrhxmbafc.irc) has joined #techrights

matey

which i considered the best compromise of features and speed

bnchs

programs can look at each other's X11 window

schestowitz-TR

only 2 laptops have systemd

schestowitz-TR

the rest no

bnchs

i mean capture X11 keyboard/mouse events

matey

youve actually been getting away from systemd then?

bnchs

even if it meant for another program

matey

how is it the other machines dont have it?

schestowitz-TR

systemd offers nothing to me

schestowitz-TR

it's not a selling point

matey

thats true

matey

but i was unaware that youd done anything to escape it

schestowitz-TR

when configusing the new machine this past weekend first options were openbsd and devuan

schestowitz-TR

devuan choked on the wifi bard

schestowitz-TR

card

matey

so youve been installing systemd alternatives?

schestowitz-TR

which turns out to be notorious even in these COVID years

schestowitz-TR

realtek have very poor code, I didn't know

schestowitz-TR

matey: installed, but no wifi

schestowitz-TR

and I don't want to compile kernels

matey

devuan is a huge disappointment

schestowitz-TR

Chimera

matey

and i wouldnt even recommend openbsd to someone who needed wifi

bnchs

i dont even use wifi

matey

i usually remove the wifi chip from my laptops

bnchs

entirely ethernet

matey

before ive even installed a new os

matey

you know what i recommend to people who want wifi?

matey

its not even a usb dongle

schestowitz-TR

I still have chimaera on my disk

matey

get an extender, and use ethernet

schestowitz-TR

I installed fully LMDE

schestowitz-TR

then wiped it

matey

granted this is useless for TRUE portability

matey

you need a powerpoint for it it work

schestowitz-TR

I have the mni.iso of bullseye as well

matey

ive used it at cafes-- but only if a powerpoint is avilable

schestowitz-TR

those are small

matey

still its major progress if youre exploring systemd alternatives finally

matey

when i slagged you off for that more than a year ago, it was MOSTLY intended as real advice

matey

the slagging was a smaller fraction of the intent.

matey

it was meant as a "gentle slagging"

schestowitz-TR

matey: later you went on toi writing like 50 articles about us

schestowitz-TR

I read most of them, thank you

matey

yes, well

matey

those are still online

schestowitz-TR

it's OK

schestowitz-TR

I'm no Putin

matey

i think most of them are probably accurate.

matey

no, let me think of someone i still think is worse-- i can do this, its not a trick.

matey

poettering no doubt.

schestowitz-TR

did you speak to lxo btw?

schestowitz-TR

he was hurt by your last correspondence

matey

he jumped down my throat about not wanting a "forced marriage"

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schestowitz-TR

lxe is a nice guy

matey

so is rms

schestowitz-TR

and he could not reply to you

schestowitz-TR

nor could tom

schestowitz-TR

he was sad about the whole thing

matey

tom sold me out, i dropped him.

schestowitz-TR

I last spoke to tom last year

matey

i saw.

schestowitz-TR

now joindiaspora is dead (this was long-coming BTW)

schestowitz-TR

maybe you can make up with tom, his email is the same

matey

yeah i mean they stopped taking new people years ago

schestowitz-TR

he's our senior

matey

maybe you can make up with tom, his email is the same <- im more interested in people i can trust

schestowitz-TR

tom and lxo were always very nice to me

matey

tom is a nice person

schestowitz-TR

rms is not as predictble because of his tact

matey

rms is socially clumsy. he can be forgiven for that

matey

if someone bumps into you with their wheelchair, 999 times out of 1000 they didnt mean it and can be forgiven instantly

matey

rms is the same.

schestowitz-TR

and hey, not to brag, but to keep a site and community going since 2006 is not easy

schestowitz-TR

snd in TR we outlasted many

schestowitz-TR

not because of money or anything

schestowitz-TR

photonix sold out

schestowitz-TR

fossforce is varnishing LF ads in every page now

matey

i was not surprised when microbel sold out

matey

i expected him to

matey

yes fossfarce

schestowitz-TR

sellouts all around me

matey

christine (signed) and bilefield (posted false things in an article)

schestowitz-TR

even lian dawe seems to be part of "steam deck love boat"

matey

i know the name, not the role.

matey

still fossfarce?

schestowitz-TR

yeah, bbyfield ruined and tarnished the "force"

schestowitz-TR

he was a force against FSF

matey

christine signed the letter

schestowitz-TR

concern-trolling them for years

schestowitz-TR

while Hall wrote nothing

matey

but bilefield was worse

schestowitz-TR

he always was

schestowitz-TR

he always did this to FSF

schestowitz-TR

he became irrelevant like 10 years ago

schestowitz-TR

I only see his name in Linux Mag sometimes, but that's it

matey

open source eats their own

schestowitz-TR

they do it to themselves

matey

with a real community, you dont have to step on good people to get to the top

schestowitz-TR

you can sell out in one day

matey

you can just be part of something bigger

schestowitz-TR

after 10 years of hard work

matey

with open source, the only reason to be part of something is to sell out and climb to the top

matey

where you get eaten, and the cycle continues

schestowitz-TR

sfc is just 'cashing in' at the moemnt

matey

yes

matey

and theyre winning just enough (for now)

schestowitz-TR

bkuhn monetising the goodwill he got at fsf for 1-2 decades

schestowitz-TR

he'll run out, just like LF

matey

bkuhn is nuts. he really believes what he says.

schestowitz-TR

LF lost its CFO the year it made a LOSS

matey

his lies are first and foremost to himself.

matey

then to everyone else.

matey

hes an "honest liar"

schestowitz-TR

and now without ANY events and without ANY IRS filings you have to wonder wth is going on

schestowitz-TR

bkuhn is not nuts

schestowitz-TR

he's shrewd with composure

matey

we neednt agree

schestowitz-TR

sandler also

matey

he's shrewd with composure <- tactically i agree with this.

schestowitz-TR

but they defected to anotrher objective

matey

his TACTICS ARE shrewd

schestowitz-TR

rms lacks the compsure

matey

i have a theory about libreplanet im happy to share

schestowitz-TR

he has temper, still

matey

ive sort of said it before

schestowitz-TR

peace prize to enemies?

matey

regarding kuhn and the speech he gave

matey

besides that

matey

that wasnt my theory it was ariadnes

schestowitz-TR

the speech is in the libreplanet side

matey

peace prize to enemies was hers

schestowitz-TR

I did not click

schestowitz-TR

a week later sfc attacked rms again

matey

the 2017 speech, where rms really did overreact

schestowitz-TR

matey: yes. I was about to say that

matey

and kuhn appeared magnanimous

matey

i wouldnt be surprised if the entire goal was to trigger him

matey

like entrapment

schestowitz-TR

that's a poliical stratetgy

matey

yes

schestowitz-TR

I'm told this routinely about Team UPC

matey

now, its impossible to prove.

matey

because thats how gaslighting works.

schestowitz-TR

they lie a lot to cause outbursts and anger

schestowitz-TR

and then they look like they're reasonable and everyone else is hateful

matey

its a documented tactic of the church of scientology

schestowitz-TR

didn't know

matey

they work systematically to produce overreactions-- they have a term for it called bullbaiting

schestowitz-TR

remember what jono did to me live

matey

there are videos about this on youtube

matey

jono was a dick

schestowitz-TR

even leo laprte had to step inm

schestowitz-TR

and apologise

schestowitz-TR

he felt like I had been ambushed

matey

you sort of were

schestowitz-TR

at the time jono was fronting for a number of trolls

schestowitz-TR

some were sending m,e threats

matey

jono is a hypocrite extraordinaire

matey

a lot of

matey

""community leader" types are

matey

but i didnt call him on it, countless others have

schestowitz-TR

btw, he's obsolete now

matey

of course

schestowitz-TR

now clear what he does for a living

schestowitz-TR

I know what he CLAIMS

matey

but his legacy is very mugh with it

schestowitz-TR

not the same

matey

jono was-- through his design or that of others

schestowitz-TR

like corporate sites with phantom profiles

schestowitz-TR

to seem bigger than they really are

matey

the prototype developer of all this coc nonsense

matey

before coc took over the world, openrespect led the way

schestowitz-TR

jono is about 5 years my senior

*rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)

schestowitz-TR

so he still needs anoter few decades of 'juice' (income)

schestowitz-TR

in Free software he won't be welcomes

schestowitz-TR

just the quarters that attack it

schestowitz-TR

like flailing LF

matey

well he was open source theres no question

schestowitz-TR

where he worked as an evangalist/shill

matey

but then most things are now

schestowitz-TR

pay now for TWEET.... from THE BACON

matey

another fine example of pure hypocrisy-- microsoft uses term "evangelist" while painting free software as "religious" and "cult"

schestowitz-TR

there's a troll here in IRC still looking for dirt on me

schestowitz-TR

he has parked her for a year

schestowitz-TR

defamed me repeatedly in twitter

matey

yes im aware

schestowitz-TR

then had the audacity to claim _I_ had defamed _him_

schestowitz-TR

"ThatDidn'tGoWell(TM)"

matey

well id like his side of the story on that

matey

but he wont give it (for now)

schestowitz-TR

he wants to be a teacher

schestowitz-TR

seems like career demotion

schestowitz-TR

kernel doesn't want him back

schestowitz-TR

which, you know...

schestowitz-TR

sort of 'happens'/...

matey

a teacher is more of a life calling than a career move

schestowitz-TR

when you troll the project's founded for years

schestowitz-TR

*founder

schestowitz-TR

same for Sage

matey

no one becomes a nun because of the perks

schestowitz-TR

now works for SFC

schestowitz-TR

in Team Cancel(R)

schestowitz-TR

"what are your skills?"

*rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds)

Mar 28 14:31

schestowitz-TR

"I helped produced lots of anti-Torvalds" articles

Mar 28 14:31

schestowitz-TR

"also, I was a woman back then, so I insinuated he was sexist and stuff... but his family is feminist... so that didn't stick on the wall"

Mar 28 14:31

schestowitz-TR

ok, back to linux news now...

schestowitz-TR

bbiab

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schestowitz-TR

btw

schestowitz-TR

side note

schestowitz-TR

and totally factual:

schestowitz-TR

when you have a project 98% male

schestowitz-TR

and one time a lady gets told off for bad code

schestowitz-TR

shouting sexist is NOT helping adoption of women in the project

matey

i agree

schestowitz-TR

it creates more suspicion and reaffirms fear

matey

i mean the thing is

schestowitz-TR

THAT... onluy HARMS women's prospects

matey

when the person shouting is known for treating everyone that way

schestowitz-TR

who are presumed potential agent provocateur from the get p-gop

schestowitz-TR

my wife does excellent work technically

matey

the real sexist thing to do would be to show chivalry to the female contributor

schestowitz-TR

and that's feminism

schestowitz-TR

being on par with or better than the rest

matey

at any rate, i dont put stock in any definition of "sexist" that condemns someone for treating a female contributor the same as anyone else

schestowitz-TR

or to put it anorher way

matey

unless the treatment is regarding women somehow

schestowitz-TR

If I see a lady coder stepping on stage

schestowitz-TR

and doing excellent work and presentation

schestowitz-TR

I don't need her to say she is female

schestowitz-TR

I can see that

matey

like if a guy makes sex jokes about everyone else and does the same around women-- thats another matter

schestowitz-TR

and I am impessed by the word

schestowitz-TR

*work

matey

but if he holds a female to the same code standards

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matey

thats like what you you would hope

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schestowitz-TR

the code crashes

schestowitz-TR

no matter is its coder had one genital or the other

schestowitz-TR

and the crash can impact a plane

schestowitz-TR

or train

schestowitz-TR

with people of all sorts of genitals inside

matey

ive had te same position on this for years

schestowitz-TR

so it's really about the code

matey

yes its not about gender at all

schestowitz-TR

btw, intel's usb code turned out to be super-buggy

schestowitz-TR

beyond belief

schestowitz-TR

tons of defects found years later

matey

but thats an ultra-left issue

schestowitz-TR

but I don't know how many devs were involved

matey

or if you dont like that you can say "pandering" and its just as true

matey

its not about legitimate politics at all

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schestowitz-TR

it's not a left/right thing

matey

well it is

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matey

but its pandering at any rate

schestowitz-TR

hmm.. in the US

matey

schestowitz-TR

OK, in the US

matey

i mean in europe

matey

historically.

schestowitz-TR

feminists come from no particular wing

schestowitz-TR

women are equal

matey

im not really talking about feminists Per Se

schestowitz-TR

and are better than men at some things

schestowitz-TR

it's a work distribution assignment

schestowitz-TR

today I maintained our bikes

schestowitz-TR

I did the task that need more force

schestowitz-TR

rianne did the others

schestowitz-TR

because it is more effective use of resources

matey

ive dated women who were physically stronger than me (and vice versa)

matey

you just assign tasks based on ability

matey

not based on gender

schestowitz-TR

yes

schestowitz-TR

or based on experience

matey

rianne may be stronger than mjg-- just based on what HE says about himself

schestowitz-TR

rianne is quite strong

schestowitz-TR

compared to her friend

matey

right

schestowitz-TR

when they tried shotput

schestowitz-TR

rianne did twice the distgance

schestowitz-TR

with the 7.2kg ball

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Mar 28 14:44

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bnchs

the one thing is i prefer programmers not to show off their gender/sex or anything

Mar 28 14:45

bnchs

if they want the least amount of discrimination

Mar 28 14:45

matey

i prefer the internet where people didnt wear their personal information on their sleeve

Mar 28 14:45

matey

its their right, but its something people should think twice about it

bnchs

yeah

bnchs

unless they state their gender otherwise

matey

the guy who drew userfriendly was anonymous for years

bnchs

i automatically think they're a male

matey

he was outed by some crazed fans

bnchs

thats why i use he/him pronouns for unknown people

matey

when i was a kid, i had a crush on this girl who was literally a genius

matey

played the violin at age 7

matey

we both had the same kind of computer

schestowitz-TR

violin at 7?

bnchs

sometimes people correct it but it doesnt change what i think about them

matey

literal genius.

schestowitz-TR

probably affluent family

schestowitz-TR

or korean :-)

matey

i think her father worked for the music industry.

schestowitz-TR

ah, that explains it

schestowitz-TR

tutoring directly

matey

if she was korean, she must have been one of the irish variety

schestowitz-TR

corrs

matey

anyway, i never thought of computers as something gendered

matey

and i have no doubt she could have been a wizard at computers if she wasnt busy with countless other projects

matey

she was more focused on music

bnchs

the problem is that people tend to favor more or discriminate more people based on their sex/gender/whatever they fuck they are/did

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bnchs

and the only way to fix that

matey

<bnchs> the problem is that people tend to favor more or discriminate more people based on their sex/gender/whatever they fuck they are/did <- indeed

bnchs

is anonymity

matey

i dont know

matey

anonymity is the simplest way

matey

and it works!

matey

mulan, joan of arc, etc.

bnchs

i just assume they're a man

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matey

on the other hand, it shouldnt be a REQUIREMENT to be anonymous to be treated like an equal

bnchs

yeah but

matey

so its reasonable for people to try to make headway even while having a face and a gender

bnchs

they shouldnt show off as well

matey

i guess it means what you mean by "show off"

bnchs

i dont care if you're trans

bnchs

matey: i mean like people showing off that they're trans

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bnchs

or if they're gay or something

matey

i dont know, lots of progress was made via gay pride

bnchs

i mean how is it related to development at all

matey

i think it depends on a lot of things besides just either/or

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bnchs

yeah

Mar 28 14:52

bnchs

but projects tend to have more progress

matey

it shouldnt become more important to free software than free software itself at least

bnchs

if they dont focus on identity politics

matey

so it can be weaponised for that purpose

bnchs

and rather treat everyone equally

matey

and at times has been

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bnchs

yeah

matey

but then again

matey

that means the real problem is the weaponisation of identity politics

matey

not identity politics themselves

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bnchs

well that is the problem

matey

youre pro-gun, right?

bnchs

you end up having projects becoming a slave to identity politics

matey

maybe im thinking of someone else

bnchs

matey: i prefer not to say

MinceR

i am pro-gun

matey

so lets take mincer as an example then

matey

guns can be extremely useful

matey

its a problem when theyre used to murder people

bnchs

who's problem is it

matey

identity politics can be used for a good purpose

MinceR

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bnchs

the guy shooting it?

bnchs

or the gun itself

matey

its a problem when theyre used as an offensive weapon

MinceR

any object can be used to murder people

MinceR

including human bodies

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bnchs

MinceR: thats true

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matey

like a banana

bnchs

knives aswell

bnchs

people tend to carry machetes with them here

matey

or a bunch of grapes

matey

or a pointed stick

*psydruid wants to use a cat as a weapon of mass destruction

matey

cats ARE weapons of mass destruction

MinceR

you shouldn't use a cat as a WMD

matey

but the only time they were accused of such, the real problem was parasites

bnchs

anything can be used as a weapon

bnchs

even rocks

bnchs

and stones

bnchs

should you ban rocks and stones?

matey

i think if people have rocks and stones they should turn them in voluntarily

matey

no questions asked

MinceR

hands, legs and teeth can be used as weapon, ban those too

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MinceR

well, the entire arm can be used as a weapon

matey

bruce lee could use just a finger

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matey

we should also ban windows

matey

because as archie bunker pointed out, people can be pushed out of them

bnchs

matey: ok i agree with that

bnchs

oh windows not that windows

bnchs

windows as in window

Mar 28 15:00

matey

i assume he was referring to microsoft windows

Mar 28 15:00

matey

so we should ban those

Mar 28 15:00

matey

/me is actually ok with most windows, but is completely against Assault Windows

MinceR

windows can be thrown at people

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MinceR

with sufficient velocity, they can be arbitrarily destructive

matey

plus they have sharp edges when they break

matey

kids should never be around windows

matey

theyre more likely to fall through due to size

matey

and theyre more likely to get cut on sharp edges because

schestowitz-TR

[14:56] * psydruid wants to use a cat as a weapon of mass destruction

schestowitz-TR

cat file | [fork bomb]

matey

well, kids are pretty stupid

matey

theres probably a youtube meme coming with the "broken glass challenge"

matey

i dont even want to watch that one.

bnchs

you can use a cat's anus as a gun silencer

bnchs

ban cats

schestowitz-TR

jeppers creepers

schestowitz-TR

*jeepers

matey

you can use a cat's anus as a gun silencer <- jesus, someones ben watching league of gentlemen

Mar 28 15:04

MinceR

someone's been playing Postal2

Mar 28 15:04

schestowitz

you can use chinchilla as a keychain http://techrights.org/2016/10/12/epo-dkpto-danish-stories-index/

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matey

you can use chinchilla as a keychain <- thats fucking awful

schestowitz

there are photos, too

matey

ugh

schestowitz

head of EPO

schestowitz

and his wife

schestowitz

we got rid of him

matey

charming

schestowitz

his government sacked him

matey

hopefully the sack wasnt also chinchilla

schestowitz

she sold them piecewise in facebook

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schestowitz

they farmed and cut them at home

matey

im not against using animals for hides

schestowitz

see? here is what I don't get

matey

but tiny animals, when they werent used for meat or anything? thats just-- why?

schestowitz

if I buy a cat here and abuse here, I will get in trouble

schestowitz

even for just spaking it

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schestowitz

in the most scholarly country on the planet, denmark, you get to do this to animals

matey

spaking?

schestowitz

and then the government, bribed by saudi barbaria, is all fine with it

matey

speaking? spanking? spaying?

schestowitz

maybe the Danes should also legalise cooking your pet dog and cat

bnchs

schestowitz: abuse?

bnchs

is castrating a dog abuse?

schestowitz

matey: I meant spanking

matey

schestowitz

animal abuse is taken seriously here; horses, dogs, cats

schestowitz

even fish!

matey

in my whole life ive never heard of someone spanking a cat

bnchs

i mean is neutering a dog

bnchs

abuse?

matey

a monkey yes, never a cat though

MinceR

lol

matey

i was sure you meant "speaking"

schestowitz

loll

schestowitz

don't spank the monkey, dear, we have guests

https://yewtu.be/watch?v=9slgiOD0VAk

bnchs

why would you spank a cat

Mar 28 15:10

matey

its one of lifes little mysteries

Mar 28 15:11

schestowitz

Mar 28 15:11

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Mar 28 15:11

bnchs

stan milked the dog in the same room as his parents

bnchs

and other guests

matey

# find / | grep wayland | cat -n ; echo "done"

matey

1 /usr/local/share/gtk-doc/html/gtk3/gtk-wayland.html

matey

done

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matey

wayland-free

bnchs

nah

bnchs

thats a gtk wayland doc

matey

so delete it?

bnchs

would you? could you?

matey

okay

matey

just for you

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bnchs

ha that was a prank

bnchs

you gonna have package conflicts for days

matey

# find / | grep wayland | cat -n ; echo "done"

matey

done

matey

you gonna have package conflicts for days <- i doubt it

*psydruid shares the doubt

matey

honestly if the system is so fragile that an html doc is vital

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matey

it DESERVES to have package conflicts

bnchs

well i dont know

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bnchs

but doesnt it keep track of files in a package

matey

/me runs yes

matey

yes

matey

/me runs pkg_check | grep html

matey

this way if it has conflicts, i can simple touch the file thats missing

matey

but i dont think it will care.

matey

they arent that stupid.

matey

i think sometimes apt is that stupid

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matey

usually its not that bad

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matey

"can't read /usr/local/share/gtk-doc/html/gtk3/gtk-wayland.html"

matey

^ from pkg_check

matey

also found a LOT of missing icons. dont need them.

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matey

maybe polkit wont boot without an html doc :)

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matey

because it handles both the help features AND authentication

MinceR

even if it doesn't break anything, it's going to be created again when the package containing it is upgraded

matey

<MinceR> even if it doesn't break anything, it's going to be created again when the package containing it is upgraded <- ha, as if any update to gtk could be called an "upgrade"

MinceR

bnchs

polkit is shit

matey

but yes, if its updated i will have to delete it again

MinceR

well, i mean in apt terms

matey

same as the icons

Mar 28 15:22

matey

in the meantime theyre quite useless to me

Mar 28 15:22

matey

and really just clutter up the filesystem

Mar 28 15:22

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matey

i dont plan to use gtk4 for anything, except possibly a browser

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bnchs

gtk1?

matey

maybe an image editor, thats it

bnchs

i mean gtk4

bnchs

they released gtk4?

matey

theres a guy who chats here that develops an application using gtk4

matey

i wont say who, he can mention it if he wants

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matey

well i say he chats, i dont know if he ever says anything

matey

<bnchs> they released gtk4? <- im not really sure how the release schedule works

Mar 28 15:27

matey

presumably it exists in some usable form if an application using it is presently being developed

Mar 28 15:27

matey

you may have to compile it, i dont know the details

Mar 28 15:27

activelow

can gtk4 be compiled without linking libgl.so locking into vendor malice? no.

Mar 28 15:28

bnchs

activelow: opengl library?

Mar 28 15:28

activelow

yes; gtk4 introduced a dependency against it, which cannot be removed anymore. gtk2/gtk3 was OK.

matey

dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/libGL/

bnchs

its probably just a graphics backend

bnchs

check if they have cairo graphics backend

matey

libGL What is libGL? OpenGL-based programs must link with the libGL library.libGL implements the GLX interface as well as the main OpenGL API entrypoints. When using indirect rendering, libGL creates GLX protocol messages and sends them to the X server via a socket. When using direct rendering, libGL loads the appropriate 3D DRI driver then dispatches OpenGL library calls directly to that driver.

bnchs

well opengl isnt a vendor "malice"

activelow

it is.

bnchs

as much as directx

bnchs

or vendor proprirtary graphics interface

matey

https://www.opengl.org/ The Vulkan website has a new home and look!

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activelow

thing is, gtk2/3 didn't require any libgl.so, and it was good.

matey

"It has been a while in the making but we are very excited to launch the new Vulkan website to the community. Don’t worry, Vulkan is still maintained and owned by The Khronos Group; we just felt that it had outgrown its old website now that it has been five years since the Vulkan 1.0 launch."

MinceR

gtk3 was already garbage

matey

this is vulkan bullshit

MinceR

they tossed out widgets used by gimp and built half a window manager in to support waylandows with CSD

activelow

and i can assure you, gtk3 is fast and stable without opengl.

bnchs

"vulkan 1.0"

bnchs

what do you mean by this

activelow

gtk3 can be used without any GNOME desktop or wayland server; which is what i do.

https://github.com/KhronosGroup/

matey

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MinceR

they also tend to turn off normal window decorations and render bloated, ugly, nonfunctional crapOSesque bullshit in their place

MinceR

gtk3 is an eyesore and the extra bloat is there even if you don't use it

matey

mincer: did you notice kde is pushing wayland?

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MinceR

yeah

MinceR

kde capitulated to gnome

matey

i know

MinceR

at least their waylandows implementation is less braindead

matey

they should call it gde

MinceR

it supports SSD instead of CSD

schestowitz-TR

"hey kid, wanna try wayland?"

MinceR

lol

schestowitz-TR

"live cd's free.."

MinceR

they shouldn't call it anything, it's going away

MinceR

ibm/deadrat and gnome do not want nor need kde to exist

MinceR

while the kde project decided to depend on systemd and waylandows

bnchs

hey

bnchs

wanna try out wayland

MinceR

that's a death spiral

matey

in my fork of the free software directory, kde apps are in the "who are we kidding" section

bnchs

*hours later*

activelow

QT4/5 _always_ required libgl.so; so i removed this years ago already.

bnchs

oh you wanna record your desktop?

bnchs

why the fuck would you want that

bnchs

thats TOO BAD

MinceR

and yeah, Qt also has half a window manager built into it for the same reason

MinceR

and afaik it has gone proprietary

bnchs

MinceR: like it was before

matey

bnchs <- i want to understand what youre saying, but it seems like youre saying recordmydesktop (github) wont work

activelow

furthermore, GTK3 did _not_ require any of the systemd/dbus stuff. could have changed meanwhile; anyway, gtk3 was OK, and it is required for Gimp which some may want to have with a linux system.

bnchs

matey: im talking about screen recorders and shit like OBS

MinceR

gtk2 supported gimp better than gtk3 did

matey

gtk supported the gui in general better than gtk3 did

matey

gnome 3 was a farce

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bnchs

the nature of wayland is that wayland windows only have access to themselves and thats it

bnchs

anything else is a black screen

activelow

didn't know; yet gtk2 disappears from the gentoo tree, and is rarely used anymore.

matey

thats too stupid to believe

matey

i literally dont believe it

activelow

i hoped for the directfb rendering backend for GTK3 was functional (it still exists), yet i didn't have any luck with it.

activelow

because then gtk3 applications could have been used directly with framebuffer console, without any X11/wayland.

bnchs

yeah well

matey

Kooha is a simple GTK-based screen recording application for recording screens and audio from your desktop or microphone. It works in GNOME, Wayland and X11 environments which probably makes it the single Linux screen recorder with Wayland support. It uses a basic, widget-type user interface with easy-to-understand icons.

bnchs

too bad

bnchs

i'm oretty sure you can do opengl to framebuffer

bnchs

if you want

bnchs

matey: im gonna check

Mar 28 15:38

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Mar 28 15:38

matey

/me is still against wayland, simply doesnt believe it will end screen recordings

Mar 28 15:38

matey

for one, screen recordings have not ceased to exist

matey

you can still find them

matey

though that isnt proof, it does suggest this is not one of waylands many faults

bnchs

its actually an issue

matey

if on the other hand, you can find screen recordings where many windows are blacked out

matey

that is something

bnchs

Currently, Wayland doesn’t support screen capture with usual apps.

Mar 28 15:40

bnchs

One of the features of Wayland is its security design, which helps to guard the user against malicious apps. Apps can no longer see everything on the screen and spy on you

Mar 28 15:40

matey

"Screen recording software that works with Wayland ? I have been searching for a screen recorder on ubuntu 18.04 and all of them gave me black screen because they don't support wayland (i think), the only one worked was green recorder but it has no pause button and it's really hard to record tutorials without it."

Mar 28 15:40

matey

thats from reddit

bnchs

yeah

bnchs

its a side effect of wayland's security design

matey

so you need a wayland based screen recorder

bnchs

no screen recording

matey

if you want to record the screen with wayland

matey

what they did was break non-wayland-based screen recorders

Mar 28 15:42

matey

from the discord website "You can screenshare on discord on Wayland with pipewire. This can however be a little difficult to setup particularly on sway. I think the black screen is an issue with electron though i think the xdg-desktop-portal-wlr FAQ has details on this. 3. cube."

bnchs

because of their securiy design

matey

mmhmm

bnchs

it prevents programs including screen recorders

bnchs

from seeing what you do

matey

from osnews

matey

"The MESA drivers already have wayland specific code in them and would have included screen sharing if only wayland had specified an API for it. Nothing like being wrong. You don't in fact need a different API/ABI to the mesa one to screen capture under Wayland as application. Just you need enough privilege to get the DMA BUF of the output."

bnchs

yeah

bnchs

so no screen sharing

matey

anyway im no fan of wayland, happy to not have it installed

bnchs

this is bad for people who stream

matey

as far as i know i dont have it installed

bnchs

streaming games and shit

matey

well personally im against kde now for the additional reason that it pushes wayland

matey

i was already against it for other reasons (plural)

matey

ive been against kde since 4 came out

psydruid

I can understand x11 needed to be replaced but did that imply buggy Wayland implementations?

matey

I can understand x11 needed to be replaced but did that imply buggy Wayland implementations? <- typically, as the industry gets worse

matey

improvements get worse too

matey

the problem is takeover

matey

takeover is bad for upgrades and othergrades alike

matey

opengl is going vulkan, i guess (im not really sure there are so many layers)

matey

vulkan is github

matey

libgl is opengl

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matey

so presumably libgl will be github even though libgl is developed elsewhere

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Just realised that at my desk I have six cameras pointing right at me, webcams but most of them covered with tape

Mar 28 15:47

matey

just as harfbuzz is github and required by gnu emacs (unless you use the text only version)

Mar 28 15:47

matey

i think harfbuzz comes with gnome but im not certain

Mar 28 15:47

schestowitz-TR

psydruid: I don't know xorg code

schestowitz-TR

I hear it is good code

matey

its not great

schestowitz-TR

much stuff was written for it or with it in mine

schestowitz-TR

you say it needs replacing

bnchs

matey: harfbuzz is for shit like arabic

schestowitz-TR

I never saw compelling reasons. They mention mobile and memory and all

bnchs

i dont know why would emacs require it

schestowitz-TR

do they REALISE how much RAM mobiles have today???

matey

<bnchs> matey: harfbuzz is for shit like arabic <- if thats your argument you might as well throw out unicode too

schestowitz-TR

Even low end 'smart' phones have more than my laptops'

matey

harfbuzz is definitely about more than which direction text goes in

bnchs

bnchs

harfbuzz is for languages that like to mergr characters together

matey

lots of languages like to merge characters together

bnchs

and rtl and maybe overlays

matey

i believe this includes kanji

schestowitz-TR

I could write arabic befor

schestowitz-TR

(forgot it though... can releard fast)

schestowitz-TR

(relearn)

schestowitz-TR

matey: arabic is a very useful language, very widely used

schestowitz-TR

harfbuzz I know little about

schestowitz-TR

is there a competiting lib without shitlab?

matey

probably not

matey

though if you dont use the gui you can stay harfbuzz free :)

matey

note i have at least one program that does use the gui

schestowitz-TR

wait, no

matey

i have two instances of it open next to this window

matey

and its my own program

schestowitz-TR

even in the cli you can combine letters

schestowitz-TR

assuming unicide

matey

however it doesnt use harfbuzz

schestowitz-TR

aarabic with letters isolated does not look "right"

matey

<schestowitz-TR> even in the cli you can combine letters <- im not sure this is accurate but it IS what i was saying before

matey

in other words i think it may be accurate.

matey

i couldnt tell you how though

schestowitz-TR

so one option is to compel the package to move to its own hosting

Ariadne

i had to touch a windows 11 computer today

schestowitz-TR

another is wait for Microsoft/ShitHub to collapse

Ariadne

what the hell happened there

schestowitz-TR

another is, find a better/othr lib

matey

stackoverflow.com/questions/2224772/whats-the-unicode-glyph-used-to-indicate-combining-characters

schestowitz-TR

Ariadne: I did on Saturday

schestowitz-TR

I was astounded

schestowitz-TR

it's worse than Vista

bnchs

ariadne: wash your hands

matey

<schestowitz-TR> another is, find a better/othr lib <- the fact that emacs users pull it in is unfortunate

matey

funnily enough the harfbuzz author openly hates microsoft

schestowitz-TR

uglier, slower, more oppressive

matey

and yet moved his library to github. go figure.

bnchs

you might spread advertatis to your file manager

schestowitz-TR

matey: what year/

schestowitz-TR

maybe stockholm

schestowitz-TR

I had stockholm with SUSE for a year or two

schestowitz-TR

stockholm syndrome

schestowitz-TR

I did not delete SUSE right away

matey

bonus: harfbuzz is both github and an anti-rms signer

schestowitz-TR

I decommissioned that machine when I next set up my workstation

Ariadne

bnchs: strangely i have plenty of other proprietary UNIX machines

Ariadne

none of which have advertisements in their file managers

schestowitz-TR

and require email/microsoft account to start

schestowitz-TR

to log in

schestowitz-TR

no login, no sign in

schestowitz-TR

and cortana

schestowitz-TR

you turn on a machine and it talks/records

schestowitz-TR

without consent

bnchs

ariadne: yeah but

https://existentialcomics.com/comic/438

MinceR

schestowitz-TR

prior to any EULA

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bnchs

they will

bnchs

if you dont wash your hands

Ariadne

i mean, they won't, because that will require those companies to still exist

Ariadne

SGI isn't coming back from the dead

schestowitz-TR

i thought SGI is still 'aloive'

schestowitz-TR

not the company per se

schestowitz-TR

the engineers flocked to the GPU companies

Ariadne

part of HPE now i guess

schestowitz-TR

so SGI work, talent, staff moved to the home market

bnchs

sgi brought us opengl

psydruid

and xfs

bnchs

microsoft didnt bring us directx (atleast in open standard)

bnchs

nor their ntfs

schestowitz-TR

I am not sure if ATI or NVIDIA were partly created by laid off or diaspora of SGI staff

Ariadne

i guess my mac could metastasize an advertisement or two

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https://www.eetimes.com/sgi-graphics-team-moves-to-nvidia/

schestowitz

https://www.eetimes.com/sgi-restructures-graphics-team-to-join-nvidia/

schestowitz

Ariadne

don't think my alpine or fedora machines (running KDE) would ever gain any adverts

matey

<schestowitz-TR> matey: what year/ <- pull requests date back to feb 2013 so this suggests that its been there for a while

bnchs

sgi's opengl is very useful

schestowitz

killed by Microsoft mole

schestowitz

like HP

bnchs

and way better than directx

schestowitz

and Nokia

matey

issues are unreliable for dating migrations-- ive seen issues dating back to before github existed

https://www.theregister.com/2006/05/13/sgi_belluzzo/

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schestowitz

belluzzo

Ariadne

bnchs: comparing directx and opengl is comparing apples to oranges

bnchs

direct3d

Ariadne

direct3d is more like Clutter

schestowitz

Andrew Orlowski

schestowitz

psydruid: knows belluzzo

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Ariadne

there is direct3d "direct" mode, that is like opengl, but that's only since direct3d 9 or so

http://techrights.org/2011/05/04/stephen-elop-and-richard-belluzzo/ https://techrights.org/2013/12/31/microsoft-moles/

schestowitz

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matey

U+034F is the "combining grapheme joiner" (CGJ) and has no visible glyph. Codepoints U+035C-0362 are double diacritics, diacritic signs placed across two letters.

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matey

misnomer, it doesnt do what the name implies ^

matey

The Combining Grapheme Joiner isn't actually a joiner, more like a separator

matey

/me is so glad unicode makes sense

activelow

another one: i am missing two minor packages inside the no-c++ base system of BaphometOS, packages which require CMake (and with it forbidden c++); and there seems no fast and easy way to migrate a cmake project to ordinary make

activelow

and the generated make files from cmake are cluttered

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bnchs

5g is important to cars

bnchs

like really important

bnchs

because we need to know where you are

XRevan86

"and there seems no fast and easy way to migrate a cmake project to ordinary make" <- This phrase belongs in a museum.

XRevan86

matey: ^

bnchs

cmake is shit

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bnchs

meson doesnt require c+j

bnchs

c++*

XRevan86

(not the point)

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activelow

XRevan86: i should have said automake/autotools instead; migrating cmake to automake

activelow

anyway, c++ dependency of CMake is the point with it;

bnchs

yeah

bnchs

use meson

bnchs

it does require python

bnchs

which only requires c9o

bnchs

c99*

activelow

bnchs: ninja too requires c++; however, someone re-implemented it as samurai, which saved BaphometOS

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bnchs

yeah

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bnchs

samurai+meson

XRevan86

activelow: Doesn't even matter, building scripts can get very complex, a trivial way of migrating is as possible as making a migration from Java to Raku.

matey

ἓν οἶδα ὅτι οὐδὲν οἶδα

bnchs

activelow: tell me whats baphometOS

matey

its his distribution

matey

very minimalist

matey

strips the need for c++ out

activelow

among other things

matey

older version of linux kernel, older version of gcc

matey

because newest ones require c++ for bootstrapping the c compiler

matey

plus it strips out things that require non-free gpus

activelow

kernel v5.10; i won't bother with patching away C11 from any later kernel version for a while

schestowitz

bnchs: https://mesonbuild.com/Getting-meson.html

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bnchs

i'm gonna write my program in C+J

schestowitz

"Meson releases can be downloaded from the GitHub release page, and you can run ./meson.py from inside a release or the git repository itself without doing anything special."

psydruid

οὐδὲν οἶδα

schestowitz

That's how I remembered it

bnchs

c++

bnchs

schestowitz: damn it

matey

psydruid: im testing graphemes in programs i know dont support harfbuzz

schestowitz

c=c++; printf(c)

matey

including my editor (tk doesnt use harfbuzz)

matey

the problem is, i dont know how to test grapheme output, so im guessing based on the dearth of understandable information online

schestowitz

bnchs: do you still use your own editor?

schestowitz

it runs on my debian 10 box

activelow

btw. BaphometOS isn't as minimal as some might expect; because the entire gentoo tooling is available, including crossdev,catalyst,portage

bnchs

what editor?

matey

i think hes having autocomplete issues again

psydruid

من فارسی بلدم و هم کمی عربی یاد میگیرم

schestowitz

he wrote one

schestowitz

you ca chain it with ii to make it an irc client in one day's work

matey

psydruid من فارسی بلدم و هم می عربی یاد مییرم <- no harfbuzz

bnchs

matey: thats because harfbuzz just combines arabic characters

matey

thats copied from irc to xterm to an editor with no harfbuzz then copied back to irc

matey

bnchs: i dont understand

Ariadne

its a rendering thing

psydruid

ah, some characters disappear

matey

ah, some characters disappear <- good to know, not surprising

matey

i wouldnt have noticed

matey

squiggly languages are not my friend

psydruid

گ in this case

schestowitz

i did notice

matey

arabic is one of MANY

schestowitz

two at least

psydruid

ک too

schestowitz

𝓣𝓾𝔁 𝓜𝓪𝓬𝓱𝓲𝓷𝓮𝓼

matey

there are plenty of asian countries with some very obscure squiggly languages most people havent even heard of

schestowitz

𝓣𝓮𝓬𝓱𝓻𝓲𝓰𝓱𝓽𝓼

matey

the problem is, i cant tell one squiggle from another

Ariadne

yeah please don't do that

Ariadne

it makes screen readers die

matey

nice of unicode to break text forever

Ariadne

MATHEMATICAL CONSTANT T

matey

i mean, its a good idea

matey

the implementation is a bit of a cyberweapon

Ariadne

yes text is bad

Ariadne

computers are also bad

matey

computers are annoying

Ariadne

i've just stopped caring and have learned to pet goats instead

matey

goats used to be considered evil. that was before unicode though.

matey

goats are the lesser evil now.

bnchs

Ariadne: how does text readers read this

matey

/me has only met nice goats personally

Ariadne

bnchs: dunno, don't have any enabled on this machine

bnchs

_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\

Ariadne

bnchs

under score back slash

Ariadne

yes

Ariadne

like that

Ariadne

usualy

Ariadne

apple's voiceover has some algorithm where it figures out its being trolled and stops reading that crap

Mar 28 16:21

Ariadne

windows narrator, is well, a microsoft product, so i'm sure it's terrible

Mar 28 16:21

matey

or it became terrible after they purchased it

bnchs

yeah and this

bnchs

w_\

bnchs

double u under score back slash

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bnchs

what if it reads double u under score back slash many times

bnchs

theres many text readers (or text to speech)

Mar 28 16:26

bnchs

that dont give a shit about what they're reading

Mar 28 16:26

matey

that dont give a shit about what they're reading <- theyre probably used less by people who need a good one

Mar 28 16:26

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matey

of course you could write some kind of algorithim to put between those and whats being read

matey

thats the nice thing about algorithms

bnchs

especially when they're used for reading donation messages

Mar 28 16:28

bnchs

does it know when its reading an offensive message

Mar 28 16:28

bnchs

like "hitler did nothing wrong"

Mar 28 16:28

Ariadne

i dont think so :P

Mar 28 16:29

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Mar 28 16:29

bnchs

or maybe glass of juice

Mar 28 16:30

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Mar 28 16:37

schestowitz-TR

germany almost ran out of juice

Mar 28 16:40

schestowitz-TR

then he died

Mar 28 16:40

schestowitz-TR

btw, twitter is crap when it comes to moderation

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schestowitz-TR

they just run word counters

schestowitz-TR

like mention "5g" and something "covid"

schestowitz-TR

or bill gates and "patents"

schestowitz-TR

then you're in trouble

schestowitz-TR

of "memphis"

schestowitz-TR

companies are cheap

schestowitz-TR

they outsource development

schestowitz-TR

they outsource censorship

schestowitz-TR

or try to automate it

schestowitz-TR

and if they get it wrong, it's still economically "OK"

schestowitz-TR

"worth the savings"

schestowitz-TR

twitter sometimes bans people who speak back to nazis

schestowitz-TR

and the nazis get a laugh

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matey

thats the thing about playing hero with bullies and their victims

matey

the bullies can exploit the efforts to be a hero as well

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matey

this is why every coc is doomed to be a catastrophe

schestowitz-TR

norbert said "did it again"

schestowitz-TR

that was misinterpreted

schestowitz-TR

by a person whose first language is not english

schestowitz-TR

it was seen as misgendering

schestowitz-TR

but "it" meant trolling

schestowitz-TR

when picking on ted tso

schestowitz-TR

after doing linux

schestowitz-TR

trying to cancel him and failing

schestowitz-TR

?*linus

matey

i know tso was cancelled (or they tried)

schestowitz-TR

and later they wonder why he quit debian

matey

but i didnt know it was for misgendering

schestowitz-TR

after domition to DM

schestowitz-TR

he's in archlinuc now

schestowitz-TR

*archlinux

schestowitz-TR

matey: you got it wrong, let me clarify what happened

matey

good

schestowitz-TR

tso wrote many years ago about rape statistics

matey

oh boy

schestowitz-TR

many many years later a shit developer from intel used that

schestowitz-TR

to scare tso

schestowitz-TR

remember tso is right up there with greg kh

schestowitz-TR

I think dev #3

matey

he was

schestowitz-TR

so norbert saw it

schestowitz-TR

and he said the troll did it again... tso after linus

matey

gkh is more of a "team player" with "teams" like gafam

schestowitz-TR

that was then spun as intolerance

schestowitz-TR

to me, the intolerance was the trolling

schestowitz-TR

aiming at high-profile longtime linux devs

matey

it can be

schestowitz-TR

who literally put together extX

matey

like i said earlier, feminism isnt a problem

matey

weaponising feminism against certain things is a problem

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bnchs

cancel culture is retarded

matey

15:44 <matey> the bullies can exploit the efforts to be a hero as well

matey

15:44 <matey> this is why every coc is doomed to be a catastrophe

bnchs

the whole point of it is isolating someone because they had a different opinion

bnchs

instead of being mature

schestowitz-TR

the opinion can predate the coc

schestowitz-TR

and also ignore social dynamics

matey

of coruse

schestowitz-TR

like views on some diversity issue 20 years ago

matey

hey you were intolerant of something in 1982

schestowitz-TR

so you are accountable for things said when the majority of society was polled as thinking the same way

matey

and that makes some people uncomfortable

matey

and youll have to leave

matey

"i started this project"

matey

doesnt matter! rules are rules

matey

you can start your OWN project

matey

"but it..."

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matey

its so stupid

bnchs

COCs can make people self-censor

bnchs

and be afraid of what to say

matey

can <- do

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bnchs

and whether to say it

matey

yeah i didnt want to go to libreplanet even before cocs were a thing

matey

the policy just seemed too...

matey

but i was SURE i was overreacting

matey

and then they cancelled rms and i was like

matey

welp, guess i was right

bnchs

self-censoring is the point of COC

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bnchs

it scares people

matey

self-censorship is the point of censorship

schestowitz-TR

tso opposes ms file systems in linux

schestowitz-TR

but did not say enough

matey

youre always expected to help them do it

schestowitz-TR

that was years ago

schestowitz-TR

when they pushed exfat into linux

schestowitz-TR

not extX

schestowitz-TR

exFAT

schestowitz-TR

with patents

schestowitz-TR

tso spoke out

schestowitz-TR

it was not enough

schestowitz-TR

everyone looking at each other in the room

Digit

hey, uh, i dont suppose the techrights guy/team have assembled a team to take over joindiaspora have they? &

bnchs

schestowitz: just implement fat32 only

matey

at least he didnt say microsoft patents on twitter

schestowitz-TR

"Can we SAY that?"

schestowitz-TR

Welcome COC

bnchs

exFAT is useless

schestowitz-TR

the silent dictator

bnchs

COC makes you say "can we say that"

Mar 28 16:53

bnchs

having a different opinion is bad

Mar 28 16:53

matey

it is a lot harder to say anything with a coc in your mouth.

Mar 28 16:53

schestowitz-TR

obedient society

bnchs

yeah and the only way is to keep sucking it

schestowitz-TR

"better say nothing"

schestowitz-TR

"it might offend some companies"

schestowitz-TR

Microsoft is criminal

schestowitz-TR

can I say that?

schestowitz-TR

no.

schestowitz-TR

it's worse than bribing

matey

linus torvalds won his own "dick sucking contest" (his words)

schestowitz-TR

"you are fired"

schestowitz-TR

"For speaking about our crimes"

schestowitz-TR

matey: no, he lost

schestowitz-TR

the crap ended up in the kernel

schestowitz-TR

and now Microsoft pretends "secure" boot is "accepted" by Linux

matey

what i mean is, he ended up submitting

schestowitz-TR

there were antitrust complaints

schestowitz-TR

ICBM (well, Red Crap back then) helped thwart these

Mar 28 16:56

schestowitz-TR

like Go-OO doing OOXML

Mar 28 16:56

bnchs

yes

Mar 28 16:56

bnchs

you cant speak out against microsoft

bnchs

because you'll get kicked out

schestowitz-TR

btw, a lot of linus jokes are finnish culturally

bnchs

suck the dick if you want to contribute to linux kernel

schestowitz-TR

he should make a CoC complaints

schestowitz-TR

for people rejecting his culture

schestowitz-TR

that's intolerant

matey

once youre branded, youre denied protection

matey

because you could "abuse the system" against your attackers the way they did against you

matey

rule #1 of cancel culture is youre not allowed to win

schestowitz-TR

"eversism"

schestowitz-TR

the troll calls it

schestowitz-TR

in the gnome coc iirc

schestowitz-TR

"no reversism"

schestowitz-TR

I can say "fuck all men"

bnchs

reversism is racist

schestowitz-TR

but they cannot say the opposite

bnchs

and sexism

schestowitz-TR

and they don't mean fuck _literally

bnchs

but they deny it

matey

it used to be called hypocrisy

schestowitz-TR

but the coc says

schestowitz-TR

no reverism

schestowitz-TR

or something similar to that

bnchs

"oh its not racist nor sexist because they're BAD"

schestowitz-TR

the claim of parity two-ways

bnchs

they're rapists

techrights-ipfs-bot

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matey

now its "reversism" which is holding things to their own standards

schestowitz-TR

it's about who shoots first

bnchs

white men are big rapists

schestowitz-TR

like a literal ICBM

matey

maklunky shot first

schestowitz-TR

it's a huge advantage to be first to launch

schestowitz-TR

esp. if the enemy is not on high alert with warheads PRE-loaded

http://techrights.org/2015/10/07/forking-with-hypocrisy/

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Hypocrite Forks the Linux Kernel Because of Cultural Characteristics That He Himself is Guilty of | Techrights

bnchs

reverism

schestowitz

by the time you respond

matey

forking hypocrites

schestowitz

there are already 15 articles

schestowitz

calling you names

bnchs

reversism is in itself racist and sexist concet

bnchs

they should get rid of it

matey

just get rid of gnome

matey

solve more than one problem at once

http://www.networkworld.com/article/2988850/opensource-subnet/linux-kernel-dev-sarah-sharp-quits-citing-brutal-communications-style.html

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.networkworld.com | Linux community acts after years of complaints like Sarah Sharp's | Network World

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/10/06/linix_kernel_dev_who_asked_linus_torvalds_to_stop_swearing_quits_over_swearing/

schestowitz

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Linux kernel dev who asked Linus Torvalds to stop verbal abuse quits over verbal abuse • The Register

bnchs

its no longer "everyone's equal"

http://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-developer-who-took-on-linus-torvalds-over-abuse-quits-toxic-kernel-community/

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux developer who took on Linus Torvalds over abuse quits 'toxic' kernel community | ZDNet

schestowitz

brutal

schestowitz

toxic

schestowitz

abuse

bnchs

its "some people are equaler than others"

schestowitz

too late, linus, better not respond

schestowitz

take cover, he's a table, duck

matey

<bnchs> its "some people are equaler than others" <-

schestowitz

*here's

matey

of course you cant say that, because its only true in the context youre saying it in

matey

theres SOME OTHER CONTEXT where youre completely wrong

matey

that means youre wrong

matey

so you cant say it

matey

its totally fair to be totally unfair if theres some other context where it all works out and comes out even

matey

maybe its collective guilt, but thats just a detail

*schestowitz-TR waits for first CoC complaint for food at some LF conference not being halal

bnchs

schestowitz-TR: alcohol is haram

matey

/me bets it wont be a muslim who makes the complaint

bnchs

dont put alcohol

bnchs

no no no pork???

bnchs

dont put ham sandwichs

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9070197/Jordan-Henderson-says-champagne-sprayed-Liverpools-Premier-League-trophy-lift-non-alcoholic.html

schestowitz

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailymail.co.uk | Jordan Henderson says champagne sprayed in Liverpool's Premier League trophy lift was non-alcoholic | Daily Mail Online

schestowitz

"omg, I felty so violeted"

matey

you can go to muslim-ownen groceries IN PAKISTAN and buy pork

schestowitz

I was touched by some alcohol

matey

its in a separate section of the store of course

schestowitz

I wonder who made the complaint to even lead to that

bnchs

omg theres alcohol

matey

and muslims do not buyu it

bnchs

im making complains

schestowitz

they buy it

matey

but not everyone who shops there is muslim

bnchs

matey: thats true

schestowitz

but quietly

schestowitz

even in saudi arabia

schestowitz

and do coke, too

bnchs

you're also wrong in muslims not buying it

bnchs

they buy it secretly

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matey

i mean the observant ones

bnchs

why else our streets be filled with empty wine bottles

bnchs

and shit

schestowitz

you just give them one more thing to get in trouble for

schestowitz

like, if they're a journalism

schestowitz

you can arrest them for something like sharing it

schestowitz

or just use that t discredit them

schestowitz

like if they flew somewhere and had a glass of wine on the plane

schestowitz

and someone across the aisle saw it

bnchs

kosher foods

bnchs

halal foods

bnchs

vegan foods

schestowitz

"sure, he exposed corruption, but he's immoral, I saw him telling the flight attendant when asked what drink he want a can of beer"

http://techrights.org/2019/07/28/linux-foundation-microsoft-outsourcing/

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | People From Half a Dozen Countries May be Banned From Participating in the Linux Foundation Because It’s Outsourcing Many Projects to Microsoft/GitHub | Techrights

schestowitz

zemlin:

schestowitz

i'm all about tolerance

schestowitz

I married an indian

schestowitz

but I ban arab countries

schestowitz

that's cool

schestowitz

because trump told me to

schestowitz

alrighty, mr. zemlin, tell shiela that';s OK

schestowitz

and persians will stilll be banned from LF projects

schestowitz

soooooo "OPEN"

schestowitz

*sheeela

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techrights-news

Games: Steam Deck, Portal 2: Desolation, Slay the Spire, and More • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163072

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Steam Deck, Portal 2: Desolation, Slay the Spire, and More | Tux Machines

schestowitz

to be clear

schestowitz

this isn't about nationality

schestowitz

it's racism

schestowitz

it is about race

schestowitz

as people reported that for merely visiting a dying parent or grandparent in iran they'd get flagged and banned

schestowitz

after coming back home to canada or eu or whatnot

schestowitz

this is what LF supports

schestowitz

racism

schestowitz

you are persian

schestowitz

hence you are unwanted

schestowitz

but we are all about I&D

schestowitz

not improvised $xplosive Device

schestowitz

Inclusion and Diversityy

schestowitz

unlike ICBM

schestowitz

that literally does the nukes of the USA

schestowitz

They are tolerant

schestowitz

we are racist

schestowitz

they ban russians

schestowitz

we don't

schestowitz

they lobe ukraine

schestowitz

it's a big client

schestowitz

lots of weapon contracts

schestowitz

they are tolerant

schestowitz

communities are disgusting

psydruid

we advocate Inclusion & Diversity for countries we want to bomb

schestowitz

they welcome everyone EVEN LITERALLY HITLER!!

psydruid

no country should be left behind

schestowitz

behind, like the napalm bomb

schestowitz

plane drops the fireload

schestowitz

no asian left behind

schestowitz

well, not for long

schestowitz

their epidermis is up in flames

*schestowitz claps for James and Sheela

schestowitz

MOAR military contracts, sir

techrights-news

The Nazi "evil twin" of Pegasus/NSO Group (Gamma) https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-28/spyware-vendor-finfisher-claims-insolvency-amid-investigation

Mar 28 17:16

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Mar 28 17:16

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FinFisher GmbH "Insolvency"... aka we're going to change name and operate through some other shell... like your Berlin falafel shop 'shutting down', filing for bankruptcy, changing name, and then starting afresh

Mar 28 17:18

techrights-news

Spyware businesses thriving. Malware makers HIRING. Join Team Evil. Buy a big house. Expose them? Vault 7? WATCH OUT! Look what happened to Julian Assange. Participate in the crime! OR ELSE: http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162988#comment-33220

Mar 28 17:19

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Microsoft Run by Criminals, Who Expel Those Who Don't Participate in the Crimes | Tux Machines

Mar 28 17:19

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Microsoft: we'll get you in trouble for NOT joining our orgies: http://techrights.org/2010/02/07/microsoft-orgies-and-drugs/

Mar 28 17:20

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Refuses to Comment About (Deny) the Sex Parties, Drug Use | Techrights

Mar 28 17:20

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A VPN for #KeepItOn: How tech can mitigate internet shutdowns | TechRadar ⚓ https://www.techradar.com/vpn/a-vpn-for-keepiton-how-tech-can-mitigate-internet-shutdowns ䷉ Source: techradar

Mar 28 17:22

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A VPN for #KeepItOn: How tech can mitigate internet shutdowns | TechRadar

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The journey from mir-kiosk to Ubuntu Frame • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163073

Mar 28 17:30

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The journey from mir-kiosk to Ubuntu Frame | Tux Machines

Mar 28 17:30

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"About 4 years ago at a routine eye check the optometrist recommended that I get reading glasses. Apparently I’m old enough that my eyes are losing their ability to focus at different distances to having different glasses for close and remote objects (EG reading and driving) is necessary for good vision." https://etbe.coker.com.au/2022/03/28/reading-glasses/

Mar 28 17:34

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-etbe.coker.com.au | Reading Glasses « etbe - Russell Coker

Mar 28 17:34

techrights-news

'FOSSlife' Team is amplifying ANTI-FOSS FUD, shifting blame/culpability for malware sent by Microsoft... blaming "open source" instead https://www.fosslife.org/threat-open-source-protestware

Mar 28 17:36

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosslife.org | The Threat of Open Source Protestware

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Let's hear it, folks... how Microsoft shipping MALWARE to millions of machines is the fault of "Open Source". Give it up for... Bill Gates-funded 'journalists'....https://www.cjr.org/criticism/gates-foundation-journalism-funding.php

Mar 28 17:39

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cjr.org | Journalism’s Gates keepers - Columbia Journalism Review

Mar 28 17:39

techrights-news

Microsoft keeps concern-trolling those whom it PRETENDS to "love"

Mar 28 17:40

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"Besides I really love that old thing. It's slow, of course, and I've had some very frustrating experiences with it for things that should be common use cases. Immense lag when scrolling through an .odt document that contains pictures, for example." gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-03-28-paring-down-computer-power.gmi

Mar 28 17:43

schestowitz

Mar 28 17:44

schestowitz

Today I tried using infrared between my HP-49+ and my Palm IIIxe. I also grabbed my IrDA dongle identifying as a Kingsun KS-959. Tried plugging it first into my recent Windows 10 (also turns out my version of Win 10 no longer has irmon, but earlier ones did have)." gemini://g.mikf.pl/gemlog/2022-03-28-irda.gmi

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"I don’t understand the obsession with “qualified” supreme court justices. I don’t care about qualifications, I care about a judge’s ideological leanings. You don’t even need to be a lawyer to be a Supreme Court Justice." gemini://alex.flounder.online/journal.gmi

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Links 28/03/2022: Best KDE Distros and Feren OS 2022.03 | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/03/28/feren-os-2022-03/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/28/feren-os-2022-03/

Mar 28 18:05

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 28/03/2022: Best KDE Distros and Feren OS 2022.03 | Techrights

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techrights-news

Hey, dude... Daniel... your project depends on Microsoft proprietary software https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/03/28/what-curl-expects-from-dependencies/

Mar 28 18:09

-altlink_63e/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: haxx.se | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/03/28/what-curl-expects-from-dependencies/

Mar 28 18:09

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-What curl expects from dependencies | daniel.haxx.se

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This seems to be webspam, but I'll bite. No, these are SURVEILLANCE "apps" (up your arse to spy on your BODY) and they won't improve your life, that's just how spies try to advertise them in recent year, esp. during COVID crisis. "For your SAFETY!!" https://medevel.com/can-health-apps-help-people-in-real-life/

Mar 28 18:14

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Mar 28 18:14

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-medevel.com | Can Health Apps Help People in Real Life? – How Health Apps Promote Health and Wellness

Mar 28 18:14

techrights-news

Did American boycott Beijing Olympics because China had invaded Iraq?

Mar 28 18:15

techrights-news

ICBM Red Hat has used this stock photography many dozens of times in articles about programming. I do honestly wonder how many black ladies Red Hat EVER hired as programmers. (Because to Red Hat it's all about optics/PR/perception) https://opensource.com/article/22/3/simplify-java-persistence-implementation-kotlin-quarkus

Mar 28 18:16

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Simplify Java persistence implementation with Kotlin on Quarkus | Opensource.com

Mar 28 18:16

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ICBM Red Hat: "Our team maintains an example CRUD application on GitHub..." Facepalm, you outsource to criminals, it is proprietary software, and to participate I'd need to open an account with criminals https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/03/28/simplify-secure-connections-postgresql-databases-nodejs

Mar 28 18:17

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developers.redhat.com | Simplify secure connections to PostgreSQL databases with Node.js | Red Hat Developer

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mincer: http://web.archive.org/web/20051228121907/http://www.kde.org/announcements/gfresponse.php

matey

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | K Desktop Environment - KDE "Official" Response to GNOME Foundation

matey

Q: "How much does creation of GNOME Foundation affect KDE development?"

matey

A: "As much as the birth of the last baby polar bear at the Quebec City Zoo"

schestowitz-TR

'GNOME' Foundationb

schestowitz-TR

'G'NOME Foundation

schestowitz-TR

No Foundation

schestowitz-TR

GAFAM Foundry

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matey

While the charter for the Foundation only specifies controlling GNOME standards, we realize that there is a temptation to think that they might also try to control and define the mythical "Linux Desktop Standard". The lack of an "Official Standard" is a hot-topic and when journalists see large corporations backing an existing project, claims of GNOME becoming the standard are never far behind.

matey

good lord were they mistaken

Mar 28 18:21

matey

"BSD/Linux users tend to resent "standards" being force-fed on them by either corporations or the media. We'll use what we want, thank you."

Mar 28 18:21

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matey

:) "Open Source developers very rarely work on projects because of corporate backing and sometimes will not work on them due to it. The size of the wallets of a project's corporate backers mean nothing to somebody who is not getting paid and is working for the pure joy of programming."

matey

another era or another planet?

matey

this IS 22 years old.

techrights-news

ICBM Red Hat promotes the non-tech cults that ruin tech in the name of something eXperience (they can't even spell experience right) ttps://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/3/digital-transformation-3-reasons-user-experience-matters

matey

"In summary, the KDE Project has always existed and thrived regardless of competition by either other Open Source projects or profit-minded companies."

matey

archived link because it was deleted from their wiki a few years later.

Mar 28 18:23

matey

probably at the behest of the gnome foundation, but im just being cynical :)

Mar 28 18:23

matey

"the KDE Project has always existed and thrived regardless of competition by either other Open Source projects"

Mar 28 18:23

matey

to quote clouseau: "not anymore"

Mar 28 18:24

techrights-news

"estimated $700 billion in digital transformation" = marketing bullshit and buzzwords to get you to rip apart what generally works, BUY OUR NEW STUFF!!! We shall send brochures and 'studies' we paid for https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/3/digital-transformation-3-key-focus-areas-2022

Mar 28 18:24

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-enterprisersproject.com | Digital transformation: 3 focus areas to prioritize in 2022 | The Enterprisers Project

Mar 28 18:24

matey

this mystery kde leader has completely fallen off the earth

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matey

ive got it narrowed down to about 3000 people..

Mar 28 18:26

matey

its no one on the board of kde ev.

https://linuxhandbook.com/kill-vs-killall/

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxhandbook.com | Kill vs Killall: Difference Between the Two Linux Commands

schestowitz

vlad@putinbox # kill ukraine

schestowitz

error: command not found.

schestowitz

vlad@putinbox # killall ukraine

https://linuxhandbook.com/kill-vs-killall/

schestowitz

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matey

seigo was president at one point, but i only cared about him as a developer

matey

ive literally never cared about the board whatsoever

schestowitz

MinceR @ catbox # whoami

schestowitz

clippy: if looks like you are making lasagna

schestowitz

press Yes to proceed [n/Y]

schestowitz

matey: he moved to kolab

Mar 28 18:29

schestowitz

from canada to switzerland

Mar 28 18:29

schestowitz

I hardly heard of him in recent years

Mar 28 18:29

schestowitz-TR

kde also had chani armitrage around those days

Mar 28 18:30

schestowitz-TR

circa 2012-2014

Mar 28 18:30

schestowitz-TR

*armitage

Mar 28 18:30

matey

kde ev (which im not interested in but anything to find a lead) has had the same president for 7 years

matey

importance: 0, the president of kde ev is not important

https://ca.linkedin.com/in/chaniarmitage

schestowitz-TR

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 999 @ https://ca.linkedin.com/in/chaniarmitage )

schestowitz-TR

steamdock

schestowitz-TR

sounds proprietary

schestowitz-TR

they're both canadian

matey

no interest in armitrage either

matey

im not looking for someone at kde ev

schestowitz-TR

kde dev 2006-2010

matey

okay

matey

this was after seigo

schestowitz-TR

started as gulag summer of labour student

schestowitz-TR

three time in a row in fact

schestowitz-TR

those gulag prorgram suck at programmer retention

schestowitz-TR

they just tick some box

schestowitz-TR

"we support diversity"

matey

yeah i have a low opinion of soc for several reasons

matey

but the name is good

matey

summer-- like a summer romance, a fling

matey

"it was just a summer thing"

schestowitz-TR

at least gulag supported poor canadians

matey

yes, i know canada is one of the poorer regions of the world

schestowitz-TR

not just poor poor

schestowitz-TR

they support pour

matey

i regularly see fundraisers between shows on on practically bills station

schestowitz-TR

they pour out PR money

schestowitz-TR

and then plaster it all over the place

matey

support the pr and greedy

matey

needy!

schestowitz-TR

we gave $1000 a month

schestowitz-TR

to produce unusable code

schestowitz-TR

that the project will not eschew

matey

"for just the price of chicken mcnuggets, you can help feed a little boy or girl just like this one in nova scotia"

Mar 28 18:37

schestowitz-TR

i became a lot more cynical about gulag summer of labour

schestowitz-TR

maybe 3 years ago

schestowitz-TR

when I saw how they used that to gag critics

schestowitz-TR

and debian forked over mission-critical servers to gulag

schestowitz-TR

the clown,, you know

schestowitz-TR

can't say no

matey

the schmidt and melinda google foundation

schestowitz-TR

they pay spi slush funds

schestowitz-TR

$300k

matey

dont say we do bad things-- look, we do good things!

matey

we write code for you! or we pay students to

schestowitz-TR

the jeff and lolita maxwellm foundation

schestowitz-TR

remember bill is a maxwell

schestowitz-TR

his mom's side

schestowitz-TR

no connection to hoch though

matey

never knew that

matey

actually i dont know who the maxwells are, but i honestly bet its interesting

schestowitz-TR

look up "maxwell seattle"

matey

unless you mean maxwell house

matey

but i suspect you dont

schestowitz-TR

they're a very well off political dynasty

schestowitz-TR

never had to work a day in their lives

matey

i believe it, checking

schestowitz-TR

money pouring out

schestowitz-TR

or search maxwell in techrights

schestowitz-TR

bankers

schestowitz-TR

politicians

matey

is Ghislaine Maxwell a maxwell? that would be a hoot

schestowitz-TR

now bill and william

schestowitz-TR

william by marriage

schestowitz-TR

matey: no, a hoch

schestowitz-TR

they changed name

matey

hmm

matey

i got nothing here

matey

i believe you though

schestowitz-TR

but you can be sure bill knows Ghislaine Maxwell very, very well

schestowitz-TR

you don't just go visit Epstein IN PRISON without knowing Ghislaine Maxwell

schestowitz-TR

anyway

schestowitz-TR

"well, he's dead"

schestowitz-TR

they were just friends becauysew jeff knew lots of rich people

Mar 28 18:43

schestowitz-TR

and could pull strings from a prison cell

Mar 28 18:43

matey

just like a mafia kingpin

Mar 28 18:43

schestowitz-TR

"hi jeff, it's bill"

matey

never "bill who"

schestowitz-TR

"look, I have all this tax eva.. I mean chairty thing"

matey

just "hi bill"

schestowitz-TR

"Ima take a flgiht to florida tomorrow"

schestowitz-TR

"I want to see you in prison where they take away my phone for the visit'

schestowitz-TR

"so you can help hook me up with rich people"

schestowitz-TR

"and Nobel Peace"

matey

sure they take his phone. jeff could use it to hang himself

matey

"but its cordless"

schestowitz-TR

"write me a note, OK? I'll bring a notepad"

matey

"he could hang himself with the carrier wave"

matey

he could break the phone in half and use it as a shiv

matey

he could order a pizza and wait for it to get stale, then bludgeon someone with it

schestowitz-TR

next up:

schestowitz-TR

bill phones maxwell

schestowitz-TR

not his mom

schestowitz-TR

she died of cancer decades ago

schestowitz-TR

the other maxwell

schestowitz-TR

"I want to see you in prison"

schestowitz-TR

"you know lots of rich people"

schestowitz-TR

"and you are in prison for child sex trafficking, like jeff"

schestowitz-TR

"can you write me a note to endorse nobel for peace?"

matey

lol

schestowitz-TR

"your vote will help a lot!"

schestowitz-TR

I think jeff could be summoned for grilling/testimonies

schestowitz-TR

but well, he's dead

schestowitz-TR

the whole thing stinks

matey

i think the nobel committee now accepts endorsements from anyone who is an fsf associate member

schestowitz-TR

and I doubt we'll have any closure, ever

schestowitz-TR

bill keeps trying to make comebacks

schestowitz-TR

it typically backfired

matey

nope, itll be another jfk conspiracy

schestowitz-TR

and then BillPR (NPR) fires off BS that calls his critical cracks

schestowitz-TR

collectively

matey

theyll find jimmy hoffa, and he will have a tattoo that says "epstein didnt kill himself"

schestowitz-TR

with straw men

schestowitz-TR

oh,w ait

schestowitz-TR

silly me

schestowitz-TR

maybe "rich people" is code word

schestowitz-TR

maybe rich means young

matey

richpeoplegate

schestowitz-TR

jeff... knew lots of young people

matey

it gets worse than that

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matey

gate is a codeword for bill gates

matey

so pizzagate... dun dun dun

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Mar 28 18:51

schestowitz-TR

anyway, we do not know much

Mar 28 18:51

schestowitz-TR

but surely an investigation is in order

schestowitz-TR

if sealed

schestowitz-TR

which is possible

matey

/me orders a "bill gates" and gets a pizza delivered-- CASE CRACKED

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schestowitz-TR

bill's best friends distanced themselves

schestowitz-TR

than the foundation

schestowitz-TR

crashed

DaemonFC

Except Warren Buffett.

schestowitz-TR

and then Microsoft bombarded the media with a billion-dollar PR campaign about a fake "Vista 11" 'leak'

matey

is the bill and m foundation floundering?

DaemonFC

Cherry Coke and Pizza

matey

i havent paid attention

schestowitz-TR

DaemonFC: he left too

matey

buffett is a code word for... buffet

schestowitz-TR

maybe you did not notice

matey

i didnt

schestowitz-TR

around the same day/week of Vista 11

matey

ive paid like zero attention to the bill and m foundation in half a year or more

schestowitz-TR

I hate Pizza Buffet

schestowitz-TR

they have them here in Pizza Hut sometimes

schestowitz-TR

you end up eating lots of dough

matey

i used to go to one pizza buffet that was actually good

schestowitz-TR

or lots of bad salads

matey

more importantly it was actually pizza

matey

not something horrible

schestowitz-TR

either fattening or not fulfilling

DaemonFC

It was a joke. Pizza being "young child" and Cherry Coke being that he drinks 5 of them a day and the "news" reports it.

matey

well if you dont like alfredo sauce

matey

you know its impossible to have a normal conversation anymore, thank you internet.

matey

everything is a fucking codeword now

DaemonFC

It's really really bad for you to drink soda. They're just figuring out how bad.

schestowitz-TR

they take many

schestowitz-TR

because the words keep changing

DaemonFC

Obviously the cost for most people, but it harms DNA.

schestowitz-TR

we had "drpizza" here in IRC

matey

<DaemonFC> It's really really bad for you to drink soda. <- and thats just from a legal standpoint

schestowitz-TR

he came trolling us

schestowitz-TR

because we criticised him

DaemonFC

It actually harms DNA.

schestowitz-TR

he's now in prison

schestowitz-TR

pushing Microsoft propaganda while sticking his "tip" in 9 year olds

DaemonFC

I don't need anything else helping to age me.

DaemonFC

Time will do that.

schestowitz-TR

anyhow, gates and his ilk were always despicabel

schestowitz-TR

ballmer

schestowitz-TR

come on, f'ing ballmer

schestowitz-TR

he could barely get along with anyone but BALLMER?

schestowitz-TR

what does that tell you

schestowitz-TR

Gates was also repeatedly arrested

schestowitz-TR

and bailout out

schestowitz-TR

the rich write the laws, so...

matey

america is very proud to not have a house of lords

DaemonFC

Notice the news hasn't gone "CORONAVIRUS CORONAVIRUS CORONAVIRUS!!! CORONAVIRUS CORONAVIRUS CORONSVIRUS!" in a while.

matey

of course it has one, they just dont call it that

DaemonFC

Nice, in't it?

matey

bill gates is definitely a lord

DaemonFC

For a minute there it was like some weird Ballmer dance about a virus.

schestowitz-TR

you can imagine bill's parents coming with chaperons and convoy down to the local police station

schestowitz-TR

to "pick up bill"

schestowitz-TR

btw, the medina PD is dodgy

schestowitz-TR

lots of ex spies there

schestowitz-TR

they protect US "assets" like bezos and bill

schestowitz-TR

like state within a state

psydruid

MIDGET Foundation

schestowitz-TR

don't say midget

psydruid

TROLL Foundation

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schestowitz-TR

say "little people"

schestowitz-TR

(einfeld)

schestowitz-TR

(Seinfeld)

psydruid

oh right

schestowitz-TR

changing words

schestowitz-TR

removes offence

schestowitz-TR

jeff knew lots of small people

schestowitz-TR

well, he's dead

Mar 28 19:01

schestowitz-TR

alternaten universe

Mar 28 19:01

schestowitz-TR

the pbs lady/anchor

Mar 28 19:01

DaemonFC

John's mom was afraid of midgets.

schestowitz-TR

(her employer is bribed by gates)

DaemonFC

So we stayed at a nice hotel down in Texas and there was a midget convention.

DaemonFC

I swear.

schestowitz-TR

"OK, so he's dead.... and your right-hand man is on his will"

DaemonFC

They woke up and ate the entire hotel breakfast bar the first day.

DaemonFC

So the next day we managed to get up and outrun the midgets down there.

DaemonFC

I told her "If you're hungry, grab two plates and that way they can't run off with the rest while you're eating.".

Mar 28 19:03

schestowitz-TR

midget convention

Mar 28 19:03

DaemonFC

That's what happened!

Mar 28 19:03

schestowitz-TR

a few decades ago you could make lots of jokes about that

schestowitz-TR

now midget convention is a DYNAMITE for cancel culture

schestowitz-TR

so I'd make no jokes about a midget convention

DaemonFC

Yeah, well, I can't really be canceled so I can say what I will.

schestowitz-TR

Seinfeld could make jokes about Paralympics

schestowitz-TR

that was in the 1990s

matey

<DaemonFC> So we stayed at a nice hotel down in Texas and there was a midget convention.

schestowitz-TR

he'd be assassinated if he tried now

matey

was it a large convention, or

DaemonFC

It was both large and small.

matey

DaemonFC

I'd never believe you if you told me they could eat that much though!

schestowitz-TR

both micro and soft?

DaemonFC

Just absolutely voracious.

matey

<DaemonFC> I'd never believe you if you told me they could eat that much though! <- so many things i could say here but

schestowitz-TR

maybe the hotel under-supplied

schestowitz-TR

made wrong assumptions

matey

they would be verging on total dickishness and since i really have no problem with-- i swear i no longer know what they prefer to be called

matey

im not going to go there

DaemonFC

It looked well stocked the next day.

matey

you cant even make fun of fat people anymore

schestowitz-TR

or blondes

matey

you just cant make fun of people

schestowitz-TR

they too are protected

DaemonFC

But I grabbed a plate for hot items and a plate for bagel and cream cheese and fruits and some orange juice and coffee and took it all back at once.

schestowitz-TR

because blondeness is a disavantage now or something

schestowitz-TR

like albinos

matey

and i dont have a lot of desire to make fun of fat people

matey

some of my best friends are fat people

schestowitz-TR

you can make fun of dumb brunette dude

schestowitz-TR

not dumb blonde

matey

<schestowitz-TR> like albinos <- i had a friend who was a fairly hefty albino, and he loved jokes that werent pc

schestowitz-TR

the stereotypes make them unemployable

DaemonFC

Yeah, like you couldn't do a lot of things now.

matey

though he was a bit sensitive about his albinism

DaemonFC

Austin Powers? No.

schestowitz-TR

I never see blondes employed as CEOs and stuff...

DaemonFC

Married With Children? No.

matey

<schestowitz-TR> I never see blondes employed as CEOs and stuff... i mean ive personally known (natural) blondes who qualified for mensa

schestowitz-TR

side note: many dumb blondes are not blonde

matey

but they werent offended by blonde jokes

schestowitz-TR

they dye their hair to compensate for something

schestowitz-TR

sometimes using sunbed excessivbely too, to fit the very steretype they later bemoan

matey

lisa kudrow went to harvard and made a shitload of money playing a stereotypical blonde

schestowitz-TR

yes, I was being cynical

matey

she was the first guest on (fellow alumnus and best friend) conan o briens show

schestowitz-TR

obv. blondes are advantaged

schestowitz-TR

esp. as public faces for companies

DaemonFC

They'd probably cancel Chris Farley now if he wasn't dead.

DaemonFC

Some of his SNL appearances couldn't happen today, like the sketch in the Joliet State Prison.

matey

chris farley was fucking awesome

DaemonFC

Could you imagine BLM reacting to THAT!?

schestowitz-TR

BLM is a straw man here

schestowitz-TR

anyway, I'm sure bill masturbated to github... in front of the letter of ICBM, Gulag, and their front groups

schestowitz-TR

"lol, they go after RMS now..."

DaemonFC

Most of "van down by the river" could still happen, maybe.

DaemonFC

Libtards like mjg59_ are unbelievably shitty to the homeless.

Mar 28 19:12

DaemonFC

Look at their cities and politicians.

Mar 28 19:12

matey

i think he was already dead when i finally saw van down by the river

Mar 28 19:12

matey

you know theyre a comic genius when theyre doing it live and the other seasoned comedians are barely holding their shit together

DaemonFC

You know how Huntington, Indiana (82% voted Trump) treats the homeless?

matey

trying desperately to keep a straight face

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DaemonFC

Some of the local landlords got together and gave them a house to live in, free of charge, and the local businesses find them jobs and help them transition out of that house, which is a shelter until they get back on their feet.

schestowitz-TR

people at risk of poverty or homelessness are more sypathetic to the homeless

DaemonFC

There's another halfway house for battered women.

schestowitz-TR

the rich sociopaths are least sympathetic

schestowitz-TR

they even convince themselves it's their genius and brilliance, not greed cheatinhg etc. that got them there

DaemonFC

The landlords I know there aren't terrible people really.

schestowitz-TR

hence, homeless= dumb, lazy, failure

DaemonFC

Oh no, they don't "homeless bash" anyone.

schestowitz-TR

the people I see here giving coins to homeless aren't the rich

schestowitz-TR

the poor home people will return in kind one day

schestowitz-TR

schestowitz-TR

as they too can become homless one day

DaemonFC

Now, you move to Shitcago or San Francisco, people "get it" like mjg59_ said. They get the billy clubs and the cops set everything they own in this world on fire too.

schestowitz-TR

so they rely on climate of solidarity

DaemonFC

That's what they "get".

schestowitz-TR

very rich cities like london will bus the homeless out

DaemonFC

99% Democrat.

schestowitz-TR

"you stink, you scare off tourists"

schestowitz-TR

"you lower my home value|

DaemonFC

Yes, Shitcago, San Francisco.

DaemonFC

Disgusting.

DaemonFC

The larger the city, the more depraved it gets.

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DaemonFC

Crime unpunished. Crime against children? Tolerated. Police go beat up the homeless and set their tents on fire.

DaemonFC

It's the most godawful place in the country that I've ever seen, Chicago.

DaemonFC

It's truly the anus of America.

schestowitz-TR

you miss a key point

schestowitz-TR

those cities are magnets

schestowitz-TR

to some certain leaning

schestowitz-TR

they foster socioipathy

schestowitz-TR

so that becomes 'normalised'

schestowitz-TR

water cooler talk:

MinceR

28 191928 < matey> mincer: http://web.archive.org/web/20051228121907/http://www.kde.org/announcements/gfresponse.php

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MinceR

that was long before the end of KDE

DaemonFC

Yes, the mentality of some of the people there are what I would call "Not even human anymore.".

schestowitz-TR

"yeah, johnny, those stinking people in the heat shaft... spike em'

MinceR

there wasn't even a KDE 3.0 yet

schestowitz-TR

that joke won't go down well in other workplaces

schestowitz-TR

but the magnets attract

schestowitz-TR

poor-shaming is prevalent in murdoich media (GOP audience)

DaemonFC

RMS....I totally disagree with him.

DaemonFC

Cities should be disbanded and disbursed.

DaemonFC

When people get back to their roots and have some breathing space, maybe things would calm down.

schestowitz-TR

also see: American Psycho

schestowitz-TR

(Bateman)

DaemonFC

Yeah, I always thought that movie was a joke or something until I lived in Chicago.

schestowitz-TR

DaemonFC: that would harm nature even more

DaemonFC

Now I see it's not that far removed from the truth.

schestowitz-TR

"look at my dic... I mean, my business card"

schestowitz-TR

"ain't it LOVELY?"

DaemonFC

Although I do like Huey Lewis and The News, I never do listen to anything of theirs that's not from the 1980s. I don't really know why.

MinceR

28 192815 <~schestowitz> MinceR @ catbox # whoami

MinceR

huh?

DaemonFC

I get into like a rut and then that's where my mind is and then I don't try much else.

DaemonFC

Ironically, one of his songs is "I know what I like.".

Mar 28 19:21

DaemonFC

Maybe the inspiration for Anubis in SG-1. "I'm not a bad guy, really. I just know what I like and I'm willing to kill everyone in the universe to get it!".

Mar 28 19:21

DaemonFC

(Putin)

Mar 28 19:21

schestowitz-TR

not even putin could terminate systemd

schestowitz-TR

process eins

DaemonFC

Putin could terminate systemd.

DaemonFC

He'd start by killing every maintainer with a ricin umbrella.

MinceR

lol

DaemonFC

The best part of systemd is it has a module that teaches you how to meditate while NordVPN and CUPS are stuck at shut down.

Mar 28 19:23

DaemonFC

You get 3 minutes to just relax and let it happen.

Mar 28 19:23

MinceR

Mar 28 19:24

MinceR

you might as well relax and enjoy it?

Mar 28 19:24

DaemonFC

Debian 11's Live ISO and GNOME desktop role managed to make some really fucked up mistakes.

Mar 28 19:24

DaemonFC

Like, how could nobody notice that CUPS isn't installed?

DaemonFC

They don't install CUPS but they do install EVERY language pack and input method?

DaemonFC

Alrighty then!

DaemonFC

Hold onto your lugnuts, it's TIIIIIIIME for an overhaul.

DaemonFC

<MinceR> you might as well relax and enjoy it?

Mar 28 19:29

DaemonFC

Pretty much.

Mar 28 19:29

DaemonFC

I doubt that switching to KDE would fix that because systemderp would still be there.

Mar 28 19:29

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Mar 28 19:31

DaemonFC

"To help make Discord a safer place for everyone, we are prohibiting harmful misinformation and will now consider off-platform behavior in some cases. We’ve also updated the protected attributes in our hate speech policy to include caste, gender identity, age, serious illness, and more."

DaemonFC

So you can be banned from Discord for saying things they don't like someplace else.

schestowitz-TR

it's vague

schestowitz-TR

it's risky

schestowitz-TR

like "hate speech"

schestowitz-TR

it's so loosely defined

DaemonFC

"harmful misinformation"

schestowitz-TR

one politician hating another?

schestowitz-TR

how harmful?

schestowitz-TR

to who?

schestowitz-TR

to putin?

schestowitz-TR

is it OK to want putin dead?

schestowitz-TR

or to want him to be killed by parkinsons?

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schestowitz-TR

tl;dr: we at discord ban anybody we don't like

schestowitz-TR

we codify that to cover all cases

schestowitz-TR

and edge cases

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Mar 28 19:36

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DaemonFC

I'm looking at my daily electric usage.

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The chest freezer actually has not made a noticeable difference.

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DaemonFC

Maybe pennies a day?

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Microsoft and Bill Gates have pulled a "well, he's dead" on Elabd; "we totally don't know him, never heard of him..." http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162988#comment-33220

Mar 28 19:46

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Microsoft Run by Criminals, Who Expel Those Who Don't Participate in the Crimes | Tux Machines

Mar 28 19:46

schestowitz-TR

daily electric usage?

Mar 28 19:46

schestowitz-TR

physical, right?

schestowitz-TR

you didn't do that smart and app and site...

schestowitz-TR

oh, wait

schestowitz-TR

you rent

schestowitz-TR

maybe they force you yo

schestowitz-TR

*to

schestowitz-TR

next up: mandatory alexa and nest

schestowitz-TR

just in case...

schestowitz-TR

keep clothed

schestowitz-TR

the microphones are on

schestowitz-TR

keep polite

schestowitz-TR

it's OK, keep away from the electric fence too... touching it might increas your energy bills

Mar 28 19:48

DaemonFC

Don't whiz on....the electric fence!

Mar 28 19:51

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Gulag Deutschland pretends this was its own achievement https://fsfe.org/news/2022/news-20220328-01.en.html

Mar 28 19:51

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fsfe.org | Anchor Free Software in the 2022 German Federal Budget! - FSFE

Mar 28 19:51

schestowitz-TR

DaemonFC: doubly ungood

Mar 28 19:52

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ESP32 Composite Video Library outputs PAL, SECAM and NTSC, supports LVGL - CNX Software ⚓ https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/03/28/esp32-composite-video-library-outputs-pal-secam-and-ntsc-supports-lvgl/ ䷉ Source: Linux | GNU | Hardware | cnxsoftware

Mar 28 19:53

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Mar 28 19:53

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Mar 28 19:53

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Stable Kernels: 5.17.1, 5.16.18, 5.15.32, 5.10.109, 5.4.188, 4.19.237, 4.14.274, and 4.9.309 • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163078

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11 Open-source, free solutions to create your own XMPP server to create your own chat network • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163079

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https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/unreasonable

MinceR

Mar 28 19:56

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Unreasonable

Mar 28 19:56

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Mar 28 19:57

leah

schestowitz-TR: what did you mean when you said "leah was on and off gnu"

Mar 28 19:59

schestowitz-TR

gnu libreboot

schestowitz-TR

then just libreboot

schestowitz-TR

and I assume before gnu it was also just libreboot

schestowitz-TR

and you posted in the mailing list about that

schestowitz-TR

I criticised tghe "boycott gnu" episode

schestowitz-TR

it did not even make a compelling case

schestowitz-TR

or it was not properly/thoroughly explained

schestowitz-TR

anyway, the context above was kde

schestowitz-TR

or kde sc

schestowitz-TR

and how projects relate to "KDE"

schestowitz-TR

or KDE e.V.

schestowitz-TR

whatever those are

leah

yeah well, joining libreboot in gnu was a mistake. leaving gnu was also a mistake

schestowitz-TR

gnu is a very powerful brand

leah

it was a mistake joining because it was superfluous

schestowitz-TR

it's like being a political candidate getting endorsement from bernie sanders

leah

i never used gnu infrastructure and never intended to - besides mailing lists. savannah was used mostly as just git backup. i intended to just basically use the gnu brand, adhering to gnu standards but keeping everything mine

Mar 28 20:03

leah

in other words, my goals were incompatible. that's why it was a mistake

Mar 28 20:03

schestowitz-TR

iirc, the call for boycott was over how some people had treated you

Mar 28 20:03

leah

it's kinda like the EU argument

leah

do we join it or not

schestowitz-TR

this was light on the pertinent details

leah

and i'd say: don't join it

leah

just be a country

schestowitz-TR

we never gave up on the pound

leah

and in this context, i say:

leah

just be a software project

schestowitz-TR

so it was a semi-hearted, cautious adoption

schestowitz-TR

being a psrt of a collective can help

leah

thatcher didn't believe in the values of the EU, she just wanted more free trade for the uk

schestowitz-TR

if the obligations are minimal

schestowitz-TR

like restrictions on speech

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Gentoo-Based Porteus Kiosk 5.4 Released with Linux Kernel 5.15 LTS, Various Improvements • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163080

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Gentoo-Based Porteus Kiosk 5.4 Released with Linux Kernel 5.15 LTS, Various Improvements | Tux Machines

leah

schestowitz-TR: leaving gnu was stupid though. any disputes that developed could have been resolved by me simply forking libreboot

leah

which, ironically, i later did so anyway (see osboot)

Mar 28 20:06

leah

it made little technical sense either, due to how libreboot is designed

Mar 28 20:06

leah

there is never any clear scope what libreboot is, other than: coreboot distro

leah

the components in it change over time, as needed

leah

and some of those components were gnu components

leah

such as grub

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Google #Android Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163081

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leah

so gnu ended up having 2 versions of grub

leah

but see, what was actually in gnu was releases of libreboot

leah

it's....

leah

just look at the design of libreboot

leah

schestowitz-TR: go download lbmk.git and look at it. the design of it now is the same fundamentaldesign it also had in 2016

schestowitz-TR

i never looked at that code

leah

you'll see why i say this, after you read it. it made no technical sense to join *that* in gnu. it was a purely political decision

schestowitz-TR

and it's probably very machine level

leah

what i should have done instead is fork coreboot and maintain a deblobbed version, sort of like librecore later did. and put that in gnu

schestowitz-TR

firmware and irq addresses etc.

leah

GNU Boot

leah

but keep libreboot out of gnu

leah

and just submit a "pure" coreboot tree to gnu

leah

that's what i should have done

leah

that would have even been workable, and would have satisfied me

schestowitz-TR

speaking of pure

schestowitz-TR

you heard what happened to todd, right?

leah

todd weaver?

leah

no, tell me what happened

schestowitz-TR

seems demoted

leah

oh?

schestowitz-TR

they added people to the top

schestowitz-TR

two

schestowitz-TR

so his leadership is lessened somewhat

https://puri.sm/posts/as-purism-grows-founder-ceo-todd-weaver-transitions-role-of-president-to-kyle-rankin-vice-president-to-nicole-faerber/

leah

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-puri.sm | As Purism Grows, Founder CEO Todd Weaver Transitions Role of President to Kyle Rankin & Vice-President to Nicole Faerber – Purism

leah

what

schestowitz-TR

Faerber is unknown to me

leah

it says he's a dev lol

schestowitz-TR

I think neither is

schestowitz-TR

one wrote for LF

leah

i think todd feels the heat on him. he's been scamming people for years

schestowitz-TR

schestowitz-TR

not LF

leah

now he's jumping ship

leah

i guess purism will be dead then, in the next 2 years probably

leah

this is a good day

schestowitz-TR

yes, that was my instinct

leah

thanks for the good news. i know to read between the lines

schestowitz-TR

but they try to make it sound positive

leah

fuck purism

schestowitz-TR

because, you know, purism

leah

i say, good riddance

schestowitz-TR

they also srinkle the shit

schestowitz-TR

*sprinkle on

leah

they've contributed precisely nothing

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schestowitz-TR

[20:11] <leah> thanks for the good news. i know to read between the lines

schestowitz-TR

i did too

schestowitz-TR

the BS meter

schestowitz-TR

or smell test

schestowitz-TR

now you buy a laptop there

leah

omg

schestowitz-TR

and wait in line for months

leah

kyle rankin is becoming president

schestowitz-TR

iirc

leah

lol

schestowitz-TR

depending on the product

leah

i love that

schestowitz-TR

imagine ordering a laptop now

schestowitz-TR

pay $1500

schestowitz-TR

wait for summer

schestowitz-TR

they might even ship it

leah

schestowitz-TR: kyle rankin is on my shitlist

schestowitz-TR

and it might last longer than the company

leah

todd is abandoning ship and letting kyle take the fall when it all goes tits up

leah

excellent

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schestowitz-TR

I wonder who orders Librem USA

schestowitz-TR

iirc, $2000

schestowitz-TR

for a phone

schestowitz-TR

with specs not that great

leah

i'm planning to launch phones soon

schestowitz-TR

but "made in usa" something

schestowitz-TR

probably just assembled there

schestowitz-TR

sorry if I am negativist here

schestowitz-TR

or pessimist

schestowitz-TR

I think purism did contribute a little

schestowitz-TR

but many clients were not happy

schestowitz-TR

that I know of

leah

i think i can make an affordable phone product for minifree

leah

used market, of course. with postmarketos

leah

been investigating it for some time now

leah

could be a nice little earner for me

leah

my market research tells me: libre phones sell

leah

postmarketos specifically is a great system for phones, because its lightweight

Mar 28 20:16

leah

and works well

Mar 28 20:16

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Spamnil now propping up "Web3" scams... how fitting for the ambitious "filmmaker"

Mar 28 20:16

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Not about Linux. Intel SPAM. x86 is relic./ C'mon, Liam... https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/intel-announced-the-core-i9-12900ks-as-the-worlds-fastest-desktop-processor/

Mar 28 20:17

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Mar 28 20:17

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Mar 28 20:17

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Redmonk takes money from Microsoft criminals. It bases its 'studies' on Microsoft data. Facts do not matters to these self-described 'analysts'; clients do. https://redmonk.com/sogrady/2022/03/28/language-rankings-1-22/

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schestowitz-TR

oh, libreplanet videos are OUT!

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Gulag proprietary software: "an attacker could exploit to take control of an affected system." https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/03/28/google-releases-security-updates-chrome

Mar 28 20:20

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cisa.gov | Google Releases Security Updates for Chrome | CISA

leah

that was quick

schestowitz-TR

leah: which one to go with first?

schestowitz-TR

assuming you wwatch some

schestowitz-TR

did the ed give a talk?

leah

meh

schestowitz-TR

I only see talk ttiles

schestowitz-TR

titles

Mar 28 20:22

leah

i don't care about libreplanet

Mar 28 20:22

leah

i did pop in to say hello on irc though

Mar 28 20:22

leah

fsf is uninteresting to me these days

schestowitz-TR

fair enufff

leah

whatever spark i saw in them last year is either gone, or i was delusional and it wasn't there

leah

i'm focusing on my stuff

leah

though

leah

the sxmo talk was good

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leah

i tuned in specifically to watch that talk

leah

the sxmo one

leah

because i know the author

schestowitz-TR

I see it now

schestowitz-TR

I'll post a video embedded for it

leah

i don't see the videos

schestowitz-TR

i love fsf these days

leah

i checked media.libreplanet.org

schestowitz-TR

they improved a lot in recent months

leah

improved?

leah

how?

schestowitz-TR

compared to the bkuhn days

schestowitz-TR

and the anti-RMS insiders

schestowitz-TR

didn't like that

schestowitz-TR

felt like civil war

schestowitz-TR

better small and united

schestowitz-TR

than broad and divided

leah

the fsf is objectively in a worse spot than it is now. but better than the 2019-2021 spot

schestowitz-TR

which is what fsf was for a number of years

schestowitz-TR

leah: maybe financially

schestowitz-TR

money isn't what's most important

schestowitz-TR

adherence to mission matters

schestowitz-TR

our budget here is $0

schestowitz-TR

and we do OK

leah

its role is largely superfluous

leah

we as a community already do everything ourselves. the fsf is obsolete

schestowitz-TR

it's under attack

schestowitz-TR

because freesw is widely used

leah

especially given its unwillingness to promote free hardware

schestowitz-TR

so they try to shift controls

leah

there was a discussion about libre hardware, like libre silicon project

leah

rms shrugged it off "doesn't boot linux"

schestowitz-TR

leah: the s in fsf is sofwtare

leah

schestowitz-TR: https://libresilicon.com/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-libresilicon.com | Libre Silicon

leah

seen this?

schestowitz-TR

they should not focus on hardware

leah

or sam zeloof's work

leah

have you seen it

schestowitz-TR

they need to limit scope

leah

i disagree

schestowitz-TR

to keep efffective

schestowitz-TR

we focus on epo

leah

i completely disagree

schestowitz-TR

we cannot focus on every facet

leah

i'm more politically aligned with openbsd these days

leah

with their way of thinking and doing things

leah

they also do a lot of things right

schestowitz-TR

they also bagged microsoft money

schestowitz-TR

microsoft=crime

leah

for example, they don't allow NDA'd code to be merged

schestowitz-TR

but never mind

leah

they refuse to allow NDA's to dictate anything to them

schestowitz-TR

it's not their biggest "sugare"

schestowitz-TR

*sugar"

leah

even with their limited influence, they're able a lot of the time to still get hardware specs and write drivers, for example

leah

NDA-free drivers

leah

linux doesn't do that. plenty of code under linux was written based on access to documents under nda

Mar 28 20:30

leah

they have a stronger anti-blob stance than linux, in fact

Mar 28 20:30

DaemonFC

Apple lost a lawsuit that it was requiring employees to undergo a bag check on their way in and out of work at Apple stores that was unpaid and could last up to half an hour.

leah

stronger than most everyone else

DaemonFC

So they owe them all back pay now.

leah

if they were to have more reach, i think they'd do a lot more good for the world

DaemonFC

It's nice to be treated like a criminal in order to have a job, isn't it?

DaemonFC

"Now pull down your pants and cough!"

Mar 28 20:32

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Mar 28 20:32

DaemonFC

Since they have to pay everyone to stand in line to have their bag searched on the way out, it may well end up costing them more in payroll than any stolen merchandise is likely to be worth.

Mar 28 20:33

bnchs

should you really allow drivers written with documents under NDA

Mar 28 20:34

bnchs

i mean i think they did that to prevent legal issues

Mar 28 20:34

bnchs

they could rake up legal debt and the company would say the drivers were NDA violations

Mar 28 20:34

mjg59_

bnchs: Generally the docs are provided under NDA with the express understanding that they're being used to write drivers

mjg59_

The terms of the NDA may involve review of patches

mjg59_

(I've gone through this, it's incredibly tedious)

bnchs

bnchs

i thought the top secret NDA

bnchs

as in someone who intentionally violated one

bnchs

to write drivers for it

mjg59_

Oh, no

mjg59_

Generally it just blocks release of the docs themselves

leah

anyway

mjg59_

Sometimes there are features that they don't want you to write code for, but usually they just strip that out of the docs beforehand in that case

leah

yeah, let's release some source code without docs to go with it

CrystalMath

i don't like OpenBSD's anti-GPL stance

leah

mjg59_: that's what i call "blob masquerading as source code"

leah

even if the code is good

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leah

coreboot is full of that sort of thing, especially on old amd boards that use agesa src

mjg59_

Sometimes there aren't docs, whoever did the hardware design just told the software people what to write

mjg59_

Not common these days, though

leah

yeah maybe in z80 days

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leah

or like, 6502

leah

which you can pretty much understand from the circuitry

bnchs

wow that was rude ISP

leah

anyway, i have work to do

leah

schestowitz-TR: fsf are alright, but i'm disillusioned. i don't think they're our future

leah

we need something better

bnchs

our future in technology

bnchs

is weak thin clients connected to the "cloud"

bnchs

aka someone else's computer

Mar 28 20:42

bnchs

we wont own our data nor our computer

Mar 28 20:42

bnchs

such demovitating talk

Mar 28 20:43

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LibrePlanet 2022 Talk on Sxmo: Freedom on Mobile Devices Through Simplicity and Hackability | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/03/28/anjandev-momi-talk/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/28/anjandev-momi-talk/

Mar 28 20:44

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | LibrePlanet 2022 Talk on Sxmo: Freedom on Mobile Devices Through Simplicity and Hackability | Techrights

Mar 28 20:44

psydruid

our future in technology is what we make of it ourselves

Mar 28 20:47

bnchs

yeah

Mar 28 20:47

bnchs

to be honest i think gaming "cloud" services are much worse than playing it in a computer you own

Mar 28 20:48

DaemonFC

"Many bird species in the UK are laying eggs a month earlier than they did 100 years ago." -Richard Stallman

Mar 28 20:49

DaemonFC

Well, I propose two investigations then.

Mar 28 20:49

bnchs

why is rms saying that

DaemonFC

One, on how birds are now living to be more than 100 and, two, how they can time travel back 100 years and a month to lay eggs.

DaemonFC

This is certainly disturbing news.

DaemonFC

MinceR, ^

bnchs

wait how are birds laying eggs a month eariler

mjg59_

A species is not the individual members of that species

mjg59_

bnchs: Climate change

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⚓ Jarek Duda’s talk was uploaded 55 minutes ago | ♾ Gemini address: Jarek Duda’s talk was uploaded 55 minutes ago

bnchs

well i guess thats a good reason

DaemonFC

It was a joke, you know.

bnchs

people should stop farting too much

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | LibrePlanet 2022 Talk Software Patent Issues (by Jarek Duda) | Techrights

DaemonFC

I certainly don't plan to take the bus.

bnchs

we can solve climate change

bnchs

by not farting

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Security Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163082

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines

DaemonFC

Not with something that's burning hundreds of gallons of diesel, obstructing traffic, and is 10% full, mostly with bums, because they have nowhere to be quickly anyway.

DaemonFC

(The bus.)

bnchs

lol

activelow

climate change can be solved by simply not wasting resources and energy, without any loss in comfort almost always

bnchs

buses are where you're gonna get mugged

bnchs

and get your wallet stolen

DaemonFC

I used to call the red line in Chicago "The auger.".

DaemonFC

It would grab criminals from South Chicago and bring them to their victims in the north.

Mar 28 20:54

DaemonFC

If you look at violent crime in the north side of Chicago, most of it happens near the red line.

Mar 28 20:54

DaemonFC

If you can get even 6-8 blocks away from the red line, it tapers off a lot.

Mar 28 20:54

DaemonFC

Like, in Rogers Park, 80-90% of it happens at Loyola and Howard, and about 2-3 blocks from there.

bnchs

i wonder why people use VS

https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/ginkgo

MinceR

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Ginkgo

bnchs

its godawful for anything non-windows

https://www.salon.com/2021/10/05/mike-lindells-new-genius-plan-knock-on-your-door-and-ask-whether-youre/

DaemonFC

MICROS~1 Visual Shitheap

Mar 28 20:57

techrights-ipfs-bot

▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▁▅▄▅▃▅▅▆▆▅▅▇▇▆▆▆▅▅▅▅▅▆▅▅▆▇▆▅▅▅▁▂▄▁ avg(k/sec) 26.80 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▄▃▁▁▂▂▃▂▁▁▁▂▂█▂▂▁▂▁▂▁▂▁▁▂▂▁▂▁▂▂▃▂▂▂▂▂██▁ avg(k/sec) 16.20▕ swarm size (avg): 302.20 ⟲

Mar 28 20:59

DaemonFC

"We have a decoy heap so WHEN the program corrupts it, we can replace it in the background!"

Mar 28 20:59

DaemonFC

MICROS~1 DISTIN~1 ENGINE~1 SOLUTI~1

Mar 28 20:59

MinceR

Mar 28 21:00

bnchs

DaemonFC: VS is a joke

Mar 28 21:00

bnchs

you cant make the program require adminstrator privs

Mar 28 21:00

bnchs

without using their shitty installation crap

Mar 28 21:01

bnchs

which is unnessary

Mar 28 21:01

bnchs

they just force it on you

Mar 28 21:01

bnchs

i just remember using it

Mar 28 21:02

bnchs

and couldnt make the program require admin privs

Mar 28 21:03

bnchs

without a workaround or some shit

Mar 28 21:03

leah

anyway

Mar 28 21:04

leah

that's the way the news goes

Mar 28 21:04

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Mar 28 21:05

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COVID-19 in the UK: Deaths Soar to About 1,000 a Week as Hospitals See Rise From About 10,000 Patients to Almost 20,000 http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/03/28/borisnaro-piling-up-high/

Mar 28 21:06

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Mar 28 21:06

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Deck-building RPG 'Tainted Grail: Conquest' releases for Linux | GamingOnLinux ⚓ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/deck-building-rpg-tainted-grail-conquest-releases-for-linux/ ䷉ Source: Gaming On Linux | GNU | Linux | Games

Mar 28 21:08

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Mar 28 21:08

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Mar 28 21:08

DaemonFC

-altlink_63e/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: salon.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.salon.com/2021/10/05/mike-lindells-new-genius-plan-knock-on-your-door-and-ask-whether-youre/

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DaemonFC

They left John on the voter rolls here, and he hasn't lived here in over two years.

DaemonFC

You'd have to be an idiot to risk a voter fraud charge to add one vote to the box in a county with a million people in it.

Mar 28 21:10

DaemonFC

Especially when the Democrat Party will stuff the ballot box themselves anyway.

Mar 28 21:10

techrights-news

[GIT PULL] Char/Misc and other driver updates for 5.18-rc1 - Greg KH ⚓ https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/YkG6jOtPmhHehQoz@kroah.com/ ䷉ Source: kroah

Mar 28 21:11

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lore.kernel.org | [GIT PULL] Char/Misc and other driver updates for 5.18-rc1 - Greg KH

Mar 28 21:11

techrights-news

Debian decides to allow secret votes • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163083

Mar 28 21:12

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian decides to allow secret votes | Tux Machines

Mar 28 21:12

techrights-news

"So… containers, we know them for years now but they still tend to cause us problems thanks to the extra layers of abstraction, storage and… Networking." https://blog.tomecek.net/post/debugging-container-networking/

Mar 28 21:21

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.tomecek.net | Debugging container networking: first steps · Blog | Tomáš Tomeček

Mar 28 21:21

techrights-news

Just spoke to my nurse aunt in Yorkshire and ANOTHER colleague (and friend) committed suicide. Not the first. This wave of trouble leads to depression. It is not improving.

Mar 28 21:25

techrights-news

If you think this thing is over, you’ve been conned http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/03/28/borisnaro-piling-up-high/

Mar 28 21:25

techrights-news

"I am big fan of Box86 and Box64 (as well as pretty much everything PtitSeb does) and a few months ago he made it possible to run some Linux Games on Steam (using the mini-mode, the full client is not yet supported)." https://boilingsteam.com/you-can-now-run-steam-games-with-proton-on-an-arm-pc-thanks-to-progress-made-on-box86/

Mar 28 21:26

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-boilingsteam.com | You can now Run Steam Games with Proton on an ARM PC Thanks to Progress Made on Box86! - Boiling Steam

Mar 28 21:26

techrights-news

"Turns out that FrostWork (the main developer) has now access to a Deck and you may see SteamTinkerLaunch on Steam Deck..." https://boilingsteam.com/steamtinkerlaunch-on-steam-deck-signs-of-support/

Mar 28 21:27

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-boilingsteam.com | SteamTinkerLaunch on Steam Deck: Signs of Support - Boiling Steam

Mar 28 21:27

techrights-news

Tory slogan/motto proposal for next election (if you're a Tory): profit and business over people. COVID-19 is over. Also: NHS is just a business. More patients, more business.

Mar 28 21:28

*bnchs (~bnchs@rpt27srzpmtni.irc) has joined #techrights

Mar 28 21:30

bnchs

/history #techrights 1h

Mar 28 21:30

schestowitz-TR

ooof

Mar 28 21:31

bnchs

how

Mar 28 21:31

bnchs

how did it send

Mar 28 21:31

techrights-news

Games: Steam, Tainted Grail: Conquest, and More • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163084

Mar 28 21:33

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Steam, Tainted Grail: Conquest, and More | Tux Machines

Mar 28 21:33

MinceR

(cat) https://imgur.com/t/cats/N7P4PyW

Mar 28 21:34

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Mar 28 21:34

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Yawn - Album on Imgur

Mar 28 21:34

bnchs

"The Steam Deck’s preinstalled operating system is a version of Linux used to launch games from a Steam library. The immediate concern with the Deck’s OS is that it’ll lock you into using the Steam Games Launcher and the limited span of titles that comes with."

Mar 28 21:36

bnchs

ok then you look at the following

Mar 28 21:37

bnchs

"Theoretically, installing Windows 10 on the Steam Deck should allow the Deck to access Xbox Gamepass, PlayStation Now, and the Epic Game Store from the device. On top of that, it might make live streaming from the Steam Deck easier"

Mar 28 21:37

bnchs

ok so game blogs are now masochists

Mar 28 21:37

bnchs

they first begin with the tim swine-e argument

Mar 28 21:38

bnchs

and then encourage steam deck to install an entirely different OS, to get the same thing they can do in the regular steam deck OS

Mar 28 21:38

bnchs

i'm convinced IGN is a microsoft shill

Mar 28 21:39

bnchs

i mean you can already access PS Now from the steam deck's firefox browser

Mar 28 21:39

bnchs

and epic games store = heroic games launcher

Mar 28 21:39

techrights-news

Has clownflare blacklisted my IP address, except if I run JavaScript??? I cannot even access some sites' RSS feeds...

Mar 28 21:40

bnchs

and xbox gamepass = M$ bullshit

Mar 28 21:40

techrights-news

Clownflare is cancer on the Web. Do not use it. It doesn't protect you. It's harming you and protecting Clownflare's own business interests.

bnchs

techrights-news: funny thing i had to go through 3 motherfucking "anti-ddos" scans

bnchs

one for the main website

techrights-news

Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163085

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines

bnchs

2 for the thumbnail and image servers

bnchs

"Additionally, using Windows means that if you're a subscriber to Xbox Game Pass"

Mar 28 21:42

schestowitz

test https://www.howtoforge.com/feed

-altlink_63e/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: howtoforge.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.howtoforge.com/feed

schestowitz

can y'all give that url a go?

schestowitz

tell me if it give you JS challenge

schestowitz

*gives

bnchs

sure

schestowitz

wow and it also rejects falkkon

schestowitz

clownflare=-cancer

bnchs

it did

bnchs

i hate clownflare

schestowitz-TR

so it ran JS for you?

schestowitz-TR

before letting you in?

bnchs

yeah

schestowitz-TR

even for RSS feed?

bnchs

yes

schestowitz-TR

Remember RSS readers cannot get past it

bnchs

this is nothing new

schestowitz-TR

so those sites just committed suicide

psydruid

didn't IGN buy Humble Bundle and discontinue games for Linux and macOS?

schestowitz-TR

and they don't know i

schestowitz-TR

bnchs

i had to go through this shit 3 times

schestowitz-TR

should I email them?

bnchs

one for the main website

schestowitz-TR

this has gone on for about a week

bnchs

2 for the image server and thumbnails server

bnchs

without the image server

bnchs

the image just doesnt appear

bnchs

this is for a website

schestowitz-TR

clownflare protects them from visitors

schestowitz-TR

clownflare protects them from traffic

schestowitz-TR

clownflare protects them from audience

schestowitz-TR

well done, CF

schestowitz-TR

they have nothing to lose

schestowitz-TR

the sites do

bnchs

clownflare cant tell if the server is supposed to serve HTML

bnchs

or other types

schestowitz-TR

CF: let us mine some "crypto" on your machine

bnchs

so it automatically assumes it serves HTML

psydruid

"special military operation" on GNU/Linux on behalf of Microsoft

bnchs

thus breaking shit like video players, image viewers

schestowitz-TR

I'll focus even more on gemini

bnchs

RSS feed readers

schestowitz-TR

the www is already cancerous

schestowitz-TR

even rss feeds are not expected to solve JS challenges

schestowitz-TR

w t actual f!

bnchs

schestowitz-TR: they already inject telemetry script to html pages

bnchs

that goes away after you refresh

bnchs

to hide the fact it was there

bnchs

i like xbox gamepass

techrights-news

"Whitney joined Jerm Warfare for a conversation covering her journey into journalism and Chile; fact-checkers; Bill Gates; central intelligence; Facebook versus mass surveillance; Jeffrey Epstein" https://unlimitedhangout.com/2022/03/press/jerm-warfare-deep-diving-into-epstein-9-11-covid-and-more/

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-unlimitedhangout.com | Jerm Warfare: Deep Diving Into EPSTEIN, 9/11, COVID, and more

bnchs

and how xbox gamepass is locked to windows

bnchs

they mention it in the steam deck (how to install windows) blog post

psydruid

Xbox gamepass is cool

bnchs

"Additionally, using Windows means that if you're a subscriber to Xbox Game Pass"

bnchs

yeah xbox gamepass

bnchs

microsoft buying out game companies

bnchs

locking them into windows

bnchs

they wouldnt do this if their OS wasnt rotting

psydruid

it encrypts your game files in such a way that the only thing that gives you back your storage is formatting the entire drive

bnchs

its obvious they doing this to regain market share

bnchs

going the hard way

psydruid

I hope they'll buy up all gaming companies

bnchs

you dont see tim swine-e complain about this

bnchs

hes too busy up on apple's ass

bnchs

and sucking M$'s dick

techrights-news

Electromechanical four-digit seven-segment clock displays the time silently | Arduino Blog ⚓ https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/03/28/electromechanical-four-digit-seven-segment-clock-displays-the-time-silently/ ䷉ Source: Arduino | Hardware | OpenHardware | Hacking

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.arduino.cc | Electromechanical four-digit seven-segment clock displays the time silently | Arduino Blog

psydruid

he only sees the pearls that have been cast before him

psydruid

since he is a swine-e after all

bnchs

xbox gamepass and epic games store are hell-bent on locking games to windows

Mar 28 21:54

psydruid

Microsoft probably realizes that they can buy all the companies in the world and it still won't do anything for them

Mar 28 21:54

psydruid

new companies will come up all the tine

techrights-news

Crossing the Chasm Toward the Tipping Point https://puri.sm/posts/crossing-the-chasm-toward-the-tipping-point/ Todd Weaver. Leah might have a thing to say...

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-puri.sm | Crossing the Chasm Toward the Tipping Point – Purism

bnchs

their os isnt for productive usage anyway

psydruid

it's like Intel thinking that x86 processors will forever be in demand

bnchs

like most windows users, its just a gaming OS

bnchs

essentially a toy OS

bnchs

and forever will be

Mar 28 21:56

psydruid

now they feel threatened because it might not even be a gaming OS in the future

Mar 28 21:56

bnchs

thats why they're buying out all these game companies and locking them to windows

Mar 28 21:57

bnchs

its the only thing that matters to them

Mar 28 21:57

psydruid

I haven't bought a Windows game in ages

Mar 28 21:57

bnchs

windows shills are still acting that linux isnt ready for desktop

bnchs

that its unstable and theres fewer people using it

bnchs

and "headaches"

psydruid

citing "95%" market share on desktops

psydruid

it's more like 75% now

techrights-news

"Valve’s Steam Deck is adept at running everything from indie PC games like Tunic to power-hungry AAA titles like Cyberpunk 2077 and Elden Ring. But it’s rapidly becoming known for another strength: its ability to emulate a vast range of retro and current consoles, from the Atari 2600" http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163084#comment-33223

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Steam, Tainted Grail: Conquest, and More | Tux Machines

psydruid

and even lower in the US

psydruid

I think that's the thing that worries them the most

psydruid

they're losing their home market

techrights-news

Open Hardware/Modding: Librem, Arduino, and ESP32 • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163086

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open Hardware/Modding: Librem, Arduino, and ESP32 | Tux Machines

bnchs

yes

bnchs

they've drove them away from their strict specs

bnchs

nobody's buying another computer to run windows 11

psydruid

Skylake runs GNU/Linux perfectly

Mar 28 22:01

psydruid

Alder Lake runs it 3 times as perfectly

Mar 28 22:02

techrights-news

MangoPi’s SD-card sized Linux PC • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163087

Mar 28 22:02

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | MangoPi's SD-card sized Linux PC | Tux Machines

Mar 28 22:02

schestowitz-TR

psydruid: riscv ^^

Mar 28 22:03

bnchs

i have interest in m68k

Mar 28 22:03

bnchs

something about them attracts me

Mar 28 22:03

schestowitz-TR

check out the size

schestowitz-TR

schestowitz-TR

schestowitz-TR

schestowitz

"showing off a new computer-on-a-module that’s smaller than an SD card, but which packs four ARM Cortex-A53 CPU cores, "

bnchs

lol

psydruid

sometimes I wonder if Microsoft is running some "special military operation" to make GNU/Linux just as bloated as Windows 11, so the latter doesn't look as bad anymore

bnchs

accurate representation of the size of gnu/linux

schestowitz-TR

apple: hold ma beer

bnchs

gnu/linux would be anorexic

psydruid

schestowitz, we knew it was coming

schestowitz-TR

coming soon, a 20KG machine for $5000 with 50watts sockets

bnchs

and windows would be a giant landwhale

bnchs

it was obvious

schestowitz-TR

microsoft=bribery

schestowitz-TR

microsoft "success"= crime

bnchs

in the future, you wouldnt be able to run windows in laptops

psydruid

this will marginalise Microsoft and Apple

schestowitz-TR

microsoft sponsors: biden, trump

schestowitz-TR

MOAR money, for... erm... hololens something

schestowitz-TR

never mind if they canned ALL the staff

schestowitz-TR

give these gentlemen 22,000,000,000 bucks

schestowitz-TR

the us taxpayers will pay back 2 generations from now

bnchs

schestowitz-TR: there should be a BMI for computer software

schestowitz-TR

psydruid: they will ban chinese companies

schestowitz-TR

then blackmail EU top do the same

schestowitz-TR

UK will bow

schestowitz-TR

the rest of Europe... more reluctantly

schestowitz-TR

first they ignore

schestowitz-TR

then they ban

schestowitz-TR

then you windows

schestowitz-TR

"illegal" technology

bnchs

windows wouldnt be able to run in a SD-card sized computer

schestowitz-TR

too competive

bnchs

because it is too big for that

schestowitz-TR

quick, microbell, MOAR x86 ads!

schestowitz-TR

[19:35] <techrights-news> Microbell us running Intel ads again https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-Core-i9-12900KS

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schestowitz-TR

[20:17] <techrights-news> Not about Linux. Intel SPAM. x86 is relic./ C'mon, Liam... https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/intel-announced-the-core-i9-12900ks-as-the-worlds-fastest-desktop-processor/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Intel announced the Core i9 12900KS as the 'world's fastest desktop processor' | GamingOnLinux

bnchs

lol

schestowitz-TR

CNX did one too

bnchs

fastest desktop processor

schestowitz-TR

some chinese company a few hours ago... wait, no, japenese

bnchs

so windows can eat more than 75% of it

schestowitz-TR

some intel crap

bnchs

and leave you with nothing

schestowitz-TR

but power bills

psydruid

x86 hardware from 6-10 years ago is already fast enough

schestowitz-TR

i mean, energy prices are soooo low now

schestowitz-TR

right?

schestowitz-TR

all my laptops but one are old

schestowitz-TR

2016 ish

bnchs

schestowitz-TR: microsoft expects you to have the following things

bnchs

1) a 1TB SSD

bnchs

2) more than 16 gb ram

schestowitz-TR

lol

schestowitz-TR

what for?

bnchs

3) a very modern processor

psydruid

and ARM and RISC-V hardware is reaching the same performance levels with much lower power consumption

schestowitz-TR

what software uses up that RAM?

bnchs

schestowitz-TR: microsoft's towers of technical debt

schestowitz-TR

sad

schestowitz-TR

for the machinew

schestowitz-TR

it'll choke up on its own blood

schestowitz-TR

and vomit it out

schestowitz-TR

after 2 years

schestowitz-TR

buy a new machine

bnchs

its like a fatass

bnchs

that cant lose weight

bnchs

soon it will be unusable

bnchs

and die

psydruid

can only gain more weight

schestowitz-TR

no, no

schestowitz-TR

the bribes will need to be higher

psydruid

and die of a heart attack

schestowitz-TR

and they will need to gag their directors harders

schestowitz-TR

so that they stop talking to the media about the bribes

schestowitz-TR

*harder

bnchs

they're gonna need higher bribes

bnchs

maybe to offset the expensive hardware

bnchs

to have even a bit of usability

schestowitz-TR

other perks possible

http://techrights.org/2010/02/07/microsoft-orgies-and-drugs/

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Refuses to Comment About (Deny) the Sex Parties, Drug Use | Techrights

schestowitz

ask at the reception for available perks

schestowitz

if the bribes are not enough

psydruid

Windows 11 is slow in a VM and probably slow on bare metal too

bnchs

its like a fatass that needs more powerful mobility scooters

bnchs

every year

psydruid

it's a product no one wants and asked for

bnchs

and chairs that can hold more weight

Mar 28 22:14

bnchs

eventually the chairs and mobility scooters will be so expensive

Mar 28 22:15

bnchs

that its becoming less and less worth it to keep it going

Mar 28 22:15

psydruid

those are better for hitting developers who don't comply with the rules

Mar 28 22:15

psydruid

they are heavier and make a bigger impact

Mar 28 22:16

bnchs

this is why windows 11 has a shopping list of specs

Mar 28 22:16

bnchs

"yeah i gotta need a mobility scooter that can hold up to 600 pounds

bnchs

and maybe a bed that can hold my shit"

bnchs

all kinds of fat metaphors

bnchs

gnu/linux is like that anorexic guy

bnchs

that doesnt make an impact on performance

Mar 28 22:18

psydruid

my niece can't work with windows (anymore)

techrights-news

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 28/03/2022: Porteus Kiosk 5.4.0 and Debian Secret Votes | Techrights

bnchs

well obviously

psydruid

I doubt it will even exist in another generation

techrights-news

Programming Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163088

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines

techrights-news

Anchor Free Software in the 2022 German Federal Budget! • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163089

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Anchor Free Software in the 2022 German Federal Budget! | Tux Machines

bnchs

when a OS becomes morbidly obese, it becomes harder for them to do daily activites

https://i.imgur.com/MSZQtZI.jpeg

bnchs

i can make up all kinds of fat metaphors for windows

Mar 28 22:21

DaemonFC

"No. Those businesses have no lobbying muscle at all. And more to the point, the various mayors and governors gave zero fucks about those businesses during the decades when the tech companies were building their own "free" cafeterias and restaurants directly into their office towers. Those companies did the math and figured out that if they served their employee a $6 meal in-house, they'd get an extra 2 hours work out of them every day. And all

Mar 28 22:23

DaemonFC

they had to do was shank that hot dog cart, that food truck, that pizzeria. Zero fucks were given while that was happening."

Mar 28 22:23

DaemonFC

The Catholic Church slashed mom's pension and hours.

Mar 28 22:23

MinceR

-altlink_63e/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: imgur.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://i.imgur.com/MSZQtZI.jpeg

DaemonFC

But she still gets "free" meals on her shifts. What's left of them.

DaemonFC

It essentially costs them nothing because they order industrial sized quantities of food from their vendors anyway. In fact, the more they order, the cheaper it is per unit.

DaemonFC

So feeding employees doesn't really cost anything.

bnchs

what do they feed them

techrights-news

manley gemini://november.smol.pub/two-genders

DaemonFC

Whatever the nursing home residents there are eating that day.

DaemonFC

She said it is good stuff.

techrights-news

ICBM pushing more buzzwords, not security https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/5-security-considerations-edge-implementations

Mar 28 22:26

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | 5 security considerations for edge implementations

Mar 28 22:26

techrights-news

"Cloudflare "server" is third ahead of the traditional third (Microsoft IIS) - I somewhat knew that Cloudflare was hosting a lot of stuff, but I somehow didn't expect to see it there at all for some reason" https://anarc.at/blog/2022-03-28-wtf-web-servers/

Mar 28 22:28

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-anarc.at | What is going on with web servers - anarcat

Mar 28 22:28

leah

22:26 <leah> so anyway, i made a joke earlier about zfs, regarding its data integrity and checksumming capabilitys, and general resiliency

leah

22:27 <leah> i also said hammer2 is pretty similar, but the joke went like:

leah

22:27 --> red_ (~red@2a0a-a546-809c-0-6050-bc23-7379-7c1d.ipv6dyn.netcologne.de) has joined #fsf

leah

22:27 <leah> btrfs has similar capabilities, to a lesser extent

leah

22:28 <leah> >lesser extent

techrights-news

Better delete it and use a better browser, which isn't proprietary and maintained by NSA partner https://www.itechpost.com/articles/109754/20220328/update-google-chrome-download-security-computer-android.htm

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itechpost.com | Update Google Chrome Now: How To Download Chrome Security Update on Mac, Linux, Windows, Android | iTech Post

leah

thought i'd also share it here. it's a very sophisticated joke about extents

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extent_(file_systems)

leah

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Extent (file systems) - Wikipedia

techrights-news

"Cyber security is a huge topic, and through the years the industry changes rapidly to keep up with current threats and related challenges. As a result, some of the beliefs and mindsets we've adopted in the industry have changed as well" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=_UA_ClVQ5DY

Mar 28 22:30

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Enterprise Linux Security Episode 23 - Busting 5 IT Security Myths - Invidious

Mar 28 22:30

schestowitz-TR

leah: to what extent do you find that humourous|?

schestowitz-TR

btw:

leah

to the extent that fsck is obsolete

leah

zfs doesn't have it

leah

schestowitz-TR

[21:55] <techrights-news> Crossing the Chasm Toward the Tipping Point https://puri.sm/posts/crossing-the-chasm-toward-the-tipping-point/ Todd Weaver. Leah might have a thing to say...

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-puri.sm | Crossing the Chasm Toward the Tipping Point – Purism

schestowitz-TR

i heard he is an unpleasant person to work with or for

Mar 28 22:32

leah

whatever

leah

fuck purism

techrights-news

Anjandev Momi’s talk was uploaded 50 minutes ago http://techrights.org/2022/03/28/anjandev-momi-talk/

leah

i crossed the chasm back in 2013

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | LibrePlanet 2022 Talk on Sxmo: Freedom on Mobile Devices Through Simplicity and Hackability | Techrights

schestowitz-TR

purr ism

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activelow

so, patched away cmake in a handful of packages required in the base system; there is no helpers to migrate cmake back to autotools

activelow

either old configure.ac etc are available, or some simple Makefile has to be written

Mar 28 22:35

activelow

that's nasty, because packages which otherwise do not need a c++ compiler, when cmake is involved it is required, to build cmake

Mar 28 22:35

activelow

anyway, it isn't many packages affected, not yet.

Mar 28 22:36

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Today in #Techrights • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163090

Mar 28 22:36

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Mar 28 22:36

bnchs

wow

https://www.nature.com/articles/s4225%206-022-00465-9?fbclid=IwAR11_V1cd9SUxEvUfwrWMA7TUcroyYIY1nBDUL3KaS-8B4rG5MIqZCmjm0M

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bnchs

activelow: have you thought about allowing a specific version of c++

bnchs

maybe C++98?

activelow

bnchs: of cause, yet c++ is not permitted in the base system; it will be available outside the basesystem only

DaemonFC

"In less than 6 hours after starting on our in-house server, our model generated 40,000 molecules that scored within our desired threshold. In the process, the AI designed not only VX, but also many other known chemical warfare agents that we identified through visual confirmation with structures in public chemistry databases.

DaemonFC

Many new molecules were also designed that looked equally plausible. These new molecules were predicted to be more toxic, based on the predicted LD50 values, than publicly known chemical warfare agents. This was unexpected because the datasets we used for training the AI did not include these nerve agents.

DaemonFC

The virtual molecules even occupied a region of molecular property space that was entirely separate from the many thousands of molecules in the organism-specific LD50 model, which comprises mainly pesticides, environmental toxins and drugs. By inverting the use of our machine learning models, we had transformed our innocuous generative model from a helpful tool of medicine to a generator of likely deadly molecules."

bnchs

yeah

bnchs

maybe a c++ repo

bnchs

for the oackage manager

DaemonFC

They "accidentally" created an "AI" to design neurotoxins instead of medicine?

activelow

bnchs: ?

Mar 28 22:39

bnchs

DaemonFC: portal reference

Mar 28 22:39

bnchs

activelow: i mean packages for c++98 packages

Mar 28 22:39

techrights-news

Corrupt Gartner, bribed by serial briber Microsoft https://www.marketscreener.com/quote/stock/GARTNER-INC-40311131/news/Gartner-It-s-Time-to-Implement-MFA-for-Remote-Privileged-Access-to-Linux-Servers-39890331/ see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gartner_Group

Mar 28 22:40

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Mar 28 22:40

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Mar 28 22:40

activelow

no, i created a gentoo profile and overlay which prevents any c++ dependency; and with emerge utility an ordinary profile which permits c++ will reside in a separated $sysroot

MinceR

what's wrong about newer c++ versions than 98?

bnchs

activelow: i get it

bnchs

c++98 only has the basic amounts of c++

bnchs

like classes and namespace

bnchs

i think

activelow

probably various libstdc++ extensions too

techrights-news

Jack M. Germain helps the FUD campaign looking to stigmatise Free software as the real security problem https://www.linuxinsider.com/story/new-platform-pushes-data-dirty-pipe-and-dns-tunnel-pollute-linux-plumbing-87468.html

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activelow

btw. when working for german automotive car manufacturer, they did allow C++ _without_ exceptions and rtti only

techrights-news

This busy-loop is not a security issue | daniel.haxx.se ⚓ https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/03/28/this-busy-loop-is-not-a-security-issue/ ䷉ Source: curl

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activelow

and, with the C-only criteria i am rather relaxed even, since automotive insists on MISRA-C even, in some places

Mar 28 22:44

activelow

meaning, c++, no exceptions, no-rtti

Mar 28 22:44

activelow

because they didn't want the compiler to generate some code; instead implemented custom error handlers explicitely

Mar 28 22:45

activelow

that's another reason why, i find C11 _generic macro suspicios, for example, which sneaked into kernel v5.10

Mar 28 22:45

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Mar 28 22:46

matey

/me just came to laugh at debian

Mar 28 22:46

matey

fsf has anti-whistleblower policy, debian has secret voting

matey

next freedesktop will start doing blood oaths

MinceR

or it could just become a division of ibm/deadrat

matey

(though im pretty sure lennart is a standin for mark zuckerberg at bohemian grove already)

MinceR

or of whatever will form from the merger of MICROS~1 and ibm/deadrat

techrights-news

ICBM: "We will be updating and rebooting various servers to bring them up to date. During the outage window any services may be up and down as proxies and gateways are rebooted. Any fedoraproject services may be affected with the exception of mirrorlists and static web content."

matey

micbmrosoft

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Security and Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt (FUD) Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163091

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MinceR

fuckerberg is too cool to go to bohemian grove personally?

MinceR

i see what you did there

matey

i think lennart is a horcrux for zuckerberg

Mar 28 22:49

schestowitz-TR

matey: so now debian has more things to be leaked

Mar 28 22:49

psydruid

how many (substance ab)users does fedora still have?

Mar 28 22:49

MinceR

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You Can’t Afford NOT To See This Movie! (Save Yourself and Your Data) - Invidious ⚓ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=p75Yx-2liRA ䷉ Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia

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matey

maybe this is like when lindsay lohan has her "iphone hacked"

techrights-news

Alpine 3.12.11, 3.13.9, 3.14.5 and 3.15.3 released • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163092

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matey

aur debian just wants to be noticed more

matey

fedebian, coming soon

matey

debora sounds too much like deborah

activelow

that's remarkable too, none of the major distros can downgrade anymore to what BaphometOS offers

schestowitz

deb in debian is deborah

matey

i know

matey

so fedebian makes more sense than deb + fedora = debora

matey

fedian

DaemonFC

fuduntu

schestowitz

debLAN

matey

im still partial to debibm

activelow

meaning none of those distros could offer a clean c-only base system anymore even if they wanted to

matey

we could be overreacting

matey

baphometos sounds like the sort of thing they would vote on in secret

schestowitz-TR

big bulls

schestowitz-TR

(eye)

kingoffrance

i like the name, it will keep away shallow ppl. the worst thing that ever happened to freebsd is when they got the ball logo :/

matey

/me thinks alan partridge should make a distro called fernandOS

bnchs

matey: free desktop will start group praying to cthulu

activelow

same with the *BSD, who switched to llvm/clang and/or modern gcc; doubt they could fork/back-down anymore

techrights-news

"There is some weird software for Linux out there and some of the weirdest are in the file manager and file viewer space especially when you start looking at the older software which hasn't been updated in years and fsv is one of those" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=bTSWxE0iY3o

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Another Weird File Viewer You've Never Heard Of - Invidious

matey

bnchs: if freedesktop gets worse great old ones might start praying to them

Mar 28 22:55

matey

lennart systemd ftagn!

Mar 28 22:55

matey

WHO SUMMONED ME

Mar 28 22:55

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Mar 28 22:56

matey

usually "wontfix" isnt written in wet, dripping ethereal blood

Mar 28 22:56

activelow

the problem with baphometos... i cannot easily upgrade to recent kernel versions anymore, patched kernel-5.10 was a slight headache already, and chances are it gets worse with later version

Mar 28 22:56

matey

"i cannot easily upgrade to recent kernel versions anymore" this is a feature

activelow

maybe, OpenBSD didn't loose track of their portable c compiler, hadn't heard of any progress since year 2007 anymore

matey

i dont believe compatibility with anything but llvm is a goal

matey

granted, i am no fan of llvm

kingoffrance

"Another Weird File Viewer You've Never Heard Of" fsv is well known...." It is a clone of SGI's fsn file manager for IRIX" they used it to manage jurassic park

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matey

/me used fsv years ago-- in debian

MinceR

what is there in debian that the cult of gnome/proprietarydesktop.org/systemd/systemd-kerneld wants to adopt anyway?

matey

mincer: the souls of countless virgin users

matey

(im not saying theyre all virgins-- they certainly fucked us pretty good)

bnchs

they gather the souls

bnchs

to use as energy

psydruid

"I will eat your soul"

MinceR

then all they need to do is have debian switch from a somewhat independent systemd/systemd-kerneld distribution to a fedora spin

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MinceR

they can just put their own name and logo on it

matey

if debian isnt a fedora spin already

psydruid

"come to daddy"

MinceR

afaik they waste a lot of work on reproducing fedora currently

DaemonFC

The Cyberdemon got me a couple of times before I realized you couldn't hurt it without the Soul Cube.

https://hugelolcdn.com/i/817819.jpg

kingoffrance

s/cyber/system/ ?

Mar 28 23:00

matey

if you play the debian installer backwards it says "HAIL KING BILL"

Mar 28 23:00

MinceR

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DaemonFC

Doom 3 was a better game than Doom (2016).

DaemonFC

The 2016 game is too easy.

matey

the only reason ikea was mad is they didnt want people installed debian on it

bnchs

its a legend

bnchs

that debian gathers the souls of virgin users

bnchs

to use for rituals for bad entities

matey

theyre trying to open the portal

matey

to let the undead armies through

XRevan86

MinceR: There is like a collection of Putin quotes that condemn what Putin later did.

MinceR

matey

who will rewrite the entire repo in vbs

MinceR

same as with orban

matey

There is like a collection of Putin quotes that condemn what Putin later did. <- same as with gates on patents

matey

debian in vbs: "almost as fuckawful as if they did it in rust"

matey

r# is going to be the shit

matey

its the unholy merger of rust and mono

MinceR

MinceR

yes, but without "the"

matey

first they redo the linux kernel in rust

matey

then they redo rust in r#

MinceR

matey

then gkh starts riding around in western europe topless on a horse

matey

i still think he looks like jaws from the spy who loved me

matey

is that bad

XRevan86

Putin 2008: it is unacceptable to consider leadership as permanent

MinceR

lol

matey

he meant OTHER leadership

matey

OTHER leadership

XRevan86

it was regarding changing the Constitution of Russia

matey

or possibly he was speaking only to foreign leaders

XRevan86

He said multiple times that it must not be changed.

matey

"it is unacceptable to consider YOUR leadership as permanent"

matey

it was mangled a little in translation

XRevan86

Of course he later changed it.

matey

and then killed the editors

MinceR

that's like the "granite-solid basic law" in hungary which was then amended several times in its first year by the same fideath that wrote it

MinceR

29 000156 < DaemonFC> The 2016 game is too easy.

Mar 28 23:09

MinceR

have you tried it on ultra-nightmare?

Mar 28 23:09

matey

<XRevan86> it was regarding changing the Constitution of Russia <- it may have been regarding ethical source licenses

Mar 28 23:10

matey

"this shouldnt be in a software license, but if its what the people want, im willing to grant it"

Mar 28 23:10

matey

putin source licenses are going to be fun

Mar 28 23:12

matey

restriction 3 is no one can change the source code of the software

matey

but of course he still changes it

https://www.jwz.org/blog/2022/03/london-breeds-big-covid-failure/

DaemonFC

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jwz.org | jwz: London Breed's big COVID failure

MinceR

activelow

salary only in Rubles

matey

oh speaking of restriction 3, its jwz.org

DaemonFC

"Look up each and every statement Breed has made about COVID in the last, oh, six months or so, but replace "COVID" with "HIV" or "AIDS" and replace "masks" with "condoms." How does that sound to you?

DaemonFC

Imagine the mayor of any city holding a press conference and declaring that no one needs to wear condoms ever again. Imagine that same mayor being seen publicly shirking the very anti-AIDS protocols they themselves put into effect and calling their critics "fun police."

DaemonFC

Imagine that same mayor originally touting an anti-HIV vaccine -- one made in record time with astounding efficacy -- only to suddenly reverse course and say that everyone, infected or not, should just learn to "live with HIV/AIDS".

DaemonFC

I know, I know: That's an absurd metaphor. After all, HIV isn't airborne."

DaemonFC

Every Democrat, really.

DaemonFC

It's an election year so now they take on the position the Republicans have had all along with COVID.

https://wgntv.com/news/trending/walmart-to-end-cigarette-sales-in-some-stores

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Mar 28 23:15

matey

i suppose nancy pelosi is going to shock everyone when she comes into work wearing horns and painting her-- wait, how is that different from usual

Mar 28 23:16

matey

and then posting it on facebook obviously

Mar 28 23:17

matey

with her boots up on her own desk

Mar 28 23:17

matey

and then jk rowling will tell us its actually hermoine granger nancy pelosi, all along

Mar 28 23:19

matey

because when she was homeless and writing hp huddled under a bus stop she always fancied going into american politics

Mar 28 23:19

matey

or maybe becoming megarich actually makes you insane

Mar 28 23:20

DaemonFC

Mar 28 23:21

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Mar 28 23:21

DaemonFC

Some....

Mar 28 23:21

matey

im pretty sure thats just because the employees are trading them as currency now

Mar 28 23:22

DaemonFC

LOL

Mar 28 23:22

DaemonFC

Hedging against inflation with cigarettes.

Mar 28 23:22

matey

its not really a depression until people stop using cigarettes as currency and are forced to trade against packets of ramen

Mar 28 23:23

DaemonFC

That first doctor I talked to about my blood pressure was so condescending.

DaemonFC

"Don't eat ramen noodles!" three times... THREE.

DaemonFC

After I said, "I don't eat those.".

activelow

the videos from Ukraine, with alarm sirens, reminds me of my childhood, in east-germany, when those sirens regularly emitted their noise

matey

ramen noodles being the leading cause of hypertension

matey

youd think it was smoking

matey

but actually, more people eat ramen

DaemonFC

Well, the Gimmedat Party raised the taxes on those.

DaemonFC

They're $13 a pack now.

DaemonFC

So people buy trunks of them and drive back from Wisconsin.

DaemonFC

Instant black market.

DaemonFC

Or Black market.

matey

i wont use an entire ramen seasoning packet of course

DaemonFC

Or deny market.

matey

i assume thats only meant for horses

matey

cnn calls it "horse seasoning" but i really have no horse in that race

Mar 28 23:26

matey

but there is a shitload of sodium in ramen packets

Mar 28 23:27

matey

they might sneak some into the noodles, but i think its mostly in the seasoning packet

Mar 28 23:27

matey

you can get hot sauce that has like a tenth as much sodium (not the most common brands) and use that instead

DaemonFC

McCormick Horse Seasoning.

DaemonFC

Seasons even the trickiest Mare.

DaemonFC

Just like grandmother used to make.

matey

i get mine from canada

matey

i hear you can get it in maine, but i prefer customs to the car-eating potholes

Mar 28 23:29

matey

the natives call the secret world beyond the potholes "carnia"

Mar 28 23:30

matey

where ironically the roads are in perfect condition

Mar 28 23:30

DaemonFC

Charlie Brown had the kite-eating tree.

Mar 28 23:30

MinceR

lol

DaemonFC

I have the car-eating pothole.

DaemonFC

It's down by the police station.

DaemonFC

I keep hoping that it opens up and swallows some of them before they get around to fixing it.

matey

just paint a giant photo-realistic donut around it

https://hugelolcdn.com/i/817824.jpg

MinceR

Mar 28 23:32

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Mar 28 23:32

matey

/me sends it to simon phipps

Mar 28 23:34

matey

he was very fond of implying that free software was just a pedantic quibble

Mar 28 23:34

matey

in reality theres a very small difference between controlling your computing and spending years escaping the ibm/microsoft monopoly just to have them buy everything and shove it up your arse via a high speed modem

Mar 28 23:35

psydruid

the sun never sets on Simon Phipps

Mar 28 23:35

matey

and its a very small coincidence that he worked for ibm

Mar 28 23:36

matey

famous backstabbing douchebags i talked on join diaspora who havent changed in more than a decade: matt lee, simon phipps

Mar 28 23:37

matey

lovely fellow

Mar 28 23:38

matey

i dont know how roy does it. the only way i can tell phipps apart from bilefield is phipps has cooler hair

Mar 28 23:39

matey

it makes him look like a cross between andy warhol and billy bob thornton in sling blade, but thats better than bilefield.

Mar 28 23:40

matey

i talked to esr once. it was more or less the same

Mar 28 23:43

matey

for a bunch of people that spend decades saying theyre like free software but not a cult

matey

i have a bit of trouble telling one from another

matey

im 100

matey

% certin that phipps is more personable than molly