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DaemonFCGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLAG is using their own websites as leverage here. Giving shitty fallback sites to other browsers.Mar 28 00:00
DaemonFCMICROS~1 complained about this and then swiped Chromium and shut up about it.Mar 28 00:00
MinceRMICROS~1 was doing something similar for agesMar 28 00:01
DaemonFCYeah, they've found something even cheaper than hiring Communists to build Internet Exploder. Just recompile Chromium and then all you need the peasants for is to write shit code to implement your spyware instead of GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLAG's.Mar 28 00:02
DaemonFC"EDGE" Loves LINUX!!!!!1111111111Mar 28 00:04
DaemonFCWhat's the matter? Don't want online price checks that are almost always wrong?Mar 28 00:04
DaemonFC:)Mar 28 00:04
activelowhttps://security.gentoo.org/glsa/202201-02Mar 28 00:05
activelowhttps://security.gentoo.org/glsa/202202-01Mar 28 00:05
activelowhttps://security.gentoo.org/glsa/202202-02Mar 28 00:05
activelowhttps://security.gentoo.org/glsa/202202-03Mar 28 00:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-security.gentoo.org | Chromium, Google Chrome: Multiple vulnerabilities (GLSA 202201-02) — Gentoo securityMar 28 00:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-security.gentoo.org | WebkitGTK+: Multiple vulnerabilities (GLSA 202202-01) — Gentoo securityMar 28 00:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-security.gentoo.org | Chromium, Google Chrome: Multiple vulnerabilities (GLSA 202202-02) — Gentoo securityMar 28 00:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-security.gentoo.org | Mozilla Firefox: Multiple vulnerabilities (GLSA 202202-03) — Gentoo securityMar 28 00:05
activelowseverity: red red redMar 28 00:06
activelowaffected: everyoneMar 28 00:06
DaemonFCIt should be noted that Gentoo is apparently skipping over THREE MONTHS worth of WebkitGTK security advisories before they patch anything.Mar 28 00:06
DaemonFCWonderful practices there, wouldn't you agree MinceR?Mar 28 00:06
DaemonFC"Gee, this is bad. Let's give nation states 100 more days to attack all of these before we run off a new build."Mar 28 00:07
activelownope, gentoo doesn't announce all their updates, it is only the most recent charts of the most critical onsMar 28 00:07
DaemonFCGentoo is pretty fucking stupid, but that's what you get when you have Microsoft fanboys creating a "Linux" distro and then taking a job at Microsoft.Mar 28 00:08
activelowpardon?Mar 28 00:09
activelowthe links only show this: _all_ major web browsers are heavily compromised currentlyMar 28 00:11
DaemonFCThis change to GNOME theming is breaking the newer Flatpak apps.Mar 28 00:15
DaemonFCThey all use Adwaita Light, which kind of sucks really.Mar 28 00:15
DaemonFCSo your options are to build the color theme simulator or get a newer distribution with at least GNOME 41.Mar 28 00:16
DaemonFC"Dark Style Initiative"Mar 28 00:17
DaemonFCYou could ALWAYS change the global theme to Adwaita Dark in Tweaks until now.Mar 28 00:17
DaemonFCThey could have just moved the GUI for that into the Control Center, but NOOOOOOOOOOO.Mar 28 00:17
DaemonFCHonestly it's shit like this that's making me consider wiping GNOME and using KDE.Mar 28 00:18
DaemonFC"For years, the Software Center in Ubuntu has handled the updating of firmware. With the release of Ubuntu 22.04, a new GUI application will be unveiled, which is really just a front-end for the fwupd command line utility. This is a right step in the direction of user friendliness and clarity about system updates."Mar 28 00:21
DaemonFCConsidering that all GNOME Software does with fwupd is pop up an error message about checksum mismatches in the downloaded repo XML, it could hardly get worse.Mar 28 00:22
DaemonFC"The installation prompts for Ubuntu 22.04 are going to look a little different, because the installer itself has actually been completely revamped. It sports a much more modern and sleek look, while still reflecting the simplicity of Ubuntu. It was created using Google’s Flutter UI development kit."Mar 28 00:22
DaemonFC*barf*Mar 28 00:23
DaemonFCI wonder if it still crashes and doesn't know how to actually set up a standard btrfs subvoluming scheme.Mar 28 00:23
DaemonFC"OpenSSL 3.0"Mar 28 00:24
DaemonFCThrow more money at it! That always fixes the problem! -MICROS~1 and GOOOOOOOLAGMar 28 00:24
DaemonFCSo I'm confused, are we keeping the big endian x86 on DOS support? I can never tell.Mar 28 00:24
DaemonFCMaybe mjg59_ has been informed by the NSA as to what's happening on this exciting front of "open source".Mar 28 00:25
DaemonFCOr can we lose the 10,000 year old dead plants now?Mar 28 00:25
DaemonFC"Grub 2.06 won’t automatically probe for other OS installations and add them to the boot menu. Luckily, there’s a simple fix of adding GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=false to the /etc/default/grub file and then running sudo update-grub."Mar 28 00:26
DaemonFCMore dumb shit from GNU. It's like they want people to drop GRUB and use something else and yet no matter how awful they make it, nobody does.Mar 28 00:26
DaemonFCBack when there were options about how you wanted your computer to boot, I used to always just pick lilo, because Grub was so bad that it could corrupt your file system in subtle ways without knowing under what conditions that happened. GNU simply abandoned the original Grub and a pile of about 200 patches were tossed around by distributions, and it was never the same thing twice.Mar 28 00:28
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DaemonFCGrub 2 is actually even worse in some ways.Mar 28 00:28
DaemonFCFor example, old Grub let you edit a flat text file and the changes went into effect on your next boot without having to remember how to actually make it respect those changes, which varies depending on whether you use Debian or Fedora.Mar 28 00:29
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DaemonFCAs a user, it seems that Grub 2 and uEFI are in a pissing match to see who can fuck up the process of booting a computer more.Mar 28 00:30
DaemonFC"Kernel 5.15"Mar 28 00:30
DaemonFCAlready using 5.16 on Debian (backports).Mar 28 00:30
DaemonFC"Ubuntu Pro"Mar 28 00:31
DaemonFCThis one may be worth something to a home user.Mar 28 00:31
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DaemonFCCanonical gives it out free for up to 3 computers, and it effectively doubles the support lifecycle to 10 years. If you're on a laptop, Livepatch probably doesn't matter much unless you're just bad about rebooting.Mar 28 00:32
DaemonFCSo assuming there is a Canonical in 10 years, it may be worth something.Mar 28 00:32
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DaemonFCBut given how much they're sucking MICROS~1's dick and how bad that's tended to play out for everyone else that has, who knows if you'll get the ten years.Mar 28 00:33
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DaemonFCDebian will probably exist in 10 years. It's been around for like almost 30 already.Mar 28 00:33
DaemonFC"Core Application Updates"Mar 28 00:33
DaemonFCMostly unimportant if you're a Flatpak user. About the only thing I see here that may be nice to have if you use Airpods is the new version of Pulseaudio since it can use AAC as a Bluetooth codec.Mar 28 00:34
DaemonFCSo can my stereo for that matter.Mar 28 00:34
DaemonFCSo I may actually try this and see if I like it.Mar 28 00:34
DaemonFCThe source files are all Opus on my storage, but theoretically Opus to AAC should work better than Opus to SBC.Mar 28 00:35
DaemonFCMinceR, I wonder what people fed their cats before the 1950s.Mar 28 00:38
DaemonFCWikipedia says dog food existed as of 1936, but cat food wasn't around until about 1950.Mar 28 00:38
DaemonFCI wasn't really paying attention too much to what I was feeding my last cat.Mar 28 00:39
DaemonFCI hope I didn't contribute to those kidney stones he had at the end.Mar 28 00:39
DaemonFCI know better than to feed the cat something where it goes "corn, corn gluten meal, meat byproduct" now. :/Mar 28 00:40
activelowDaemonFC: whom are you talking to?Mar 28 00:40
MinceRmaybe they didn't keep that many cats and the cats would just hunt the usual stuff around the houseMar 28 00:41
MinceRor they gave them the sort of meat they ate themselvesMar 28 00:41
DaemonFCPossibly. My cats don't like chicken and turkey or tuna.Mar 28 00:41
DaemonFCThey snub it, eat around it, go for the cat food.Mar 28 00:41
DaemonFCactivelow, Well, for the most part WebkitGTK and GNOME Web have been getting better.Mar 28 00:42
DaemonFC1. They're very fast now. 2. They don't make my laptop fans go brr. 3. Firefox Sync actually works, and so does the password manager, without stuffing itself and requiring me to delete the browser's configuration folder and give up on using that.Mar 28 00:43
DaemonFC:)Mar 28 00:43
activelowwith BaphometOS the only graphical web browser available will be netsurfMar 28 00:43
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DaemonFCschestowitz knows that I've been trying to relegate Firefox to a backup for corner cases.Mar 28 00:43
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DaemonFCGNOME Web can sync with Fennec F-Droid on my Android phone.Mar 28 00:44
DaemonFCAnd then I have a solution where there's at least no tracking garbage in the browser binaries themselves.Mar 28 00:44
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activelowgnome web is a dbus poisoned webkit frontend; and besides webkit has many issuesMar 28 00:44
activelowcurrently, i kept Badwolf browser with outdated webkit version; crashes too often, not worth the effort anymore.Mar 28 00:45
activelowand any recebt webkit is pure pain; same with chromium and it's offspringMar 28 00:46
activelow*recentMar 28 00:46
activelowwith BaphometOS i will do it as follows:Mar 28 00:46
activelowthe base-system will be kept clean without any c++ dependency, compiled with gcc-4.7 (and later TinyCC);Mar 28 00:47
activelowand anything depending on c++ will be maintained inside a separate $sysroot; optionally chrooted intoMar 28 00:47
activelowwhich is necessary to ensure the base system remains cleanMar 28 00:48
activelowand the separate $sysroot with c++ dependencies inside won't be updated as often with less reviewsMar 28 00:48
activelowmy basesystem is more restrictive than *bsd even; because openbsd for example did allow recent gcc versions and clang/llvm; i do notMar 28 00:51
activelowand i will verify BaphometOS base system with raspberry pi3 and an aarch32 kernel; cannot test aarch32 kernel because the rk3328 SoC are aarch64Mar 28 00:54
activelowand well, although i am not planning to use raspberry pi, many other may benefit from BaphometOSMar 28 00:54
activelowit will ship all required development tooling, including the legacy gcc-4.7 compiler, the gentoo stuff, tinycc etc.Mar 28 00:55
activelowand any developer can be sure, the base system provided is clean without any excessive dependency graph into ms/google/ibm "innovative" territoryMar 28 00:56
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activelowaarch32 kernel is crucial, because gcc-4.7 doesn't support aarch64; and tinycc (with aarch32 and/or aarch64) isn't ready yetMar 28 00:59
activelowtoo, i appreciate, with gentoo crossdev gcc-4.7 can bootstrap any later gcc version for any supported target; i verified this with aarch64 -> aarch32 and vice versa, up until gcc-8.5Mar 28 01:01
activelowso, there won't be an issue ugprading, the problem still is downgrading to a sane compiler/toolchain (with tinycc)Mar 28 01:01
activelowand i will crate an amd64.iso with the clean base system; however i am not willing to support any UEFI at all, hence it is of limited use nowadaysMar 28 01:02
activelow*createMar 28 01:02
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activelowBaphometOS will be shipped with a root.squashfs read-only, with overlayfs to persist changes to the root filesystem, which is practical, and provides another security barrier against unintended alterationsMar 28 01:07
activelowkernel development would be somewhat cumbersome (although i am hacking kernel here too), yet kernel deployment requires assembling a firmware image (which is supported with some scripts)Mar 28 01:08
activelowfurthermore, the idea isn't to make updates easy, the idea is to make development easy, including creation of a custom firmwareMar 28 01:08
activelowi think, a two/three years release cycle is sufficient; given the fact any later than kernel v5.10 is blacklisted anyway (because C11)Mar 28 01:09
mjg59_DaemonFC: As a foreign national, the NSA aren't super keen on me as an assetMar 28 01:09
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activelowBaphometOS is the last remaining distribution globally without c++ dependencies; no udevd, no systemd, no pam, no sysvinit, no dbus... none of thisMar 28 01:22
activelowhuge benefit of this, if a developer expected cmake, libgl.so, or whatever, if it is gone it was probably removed for very good reasonsMar 28 01:23
activelowsame for sysadmins... nope, there's no init scripts or any of the typical bureaucracyMar 28 01:25
activelowi wouldn't want to boast about security, nonetheless i think nut-cracking a BaphometOS firmware won't be easy, either online or offlineMar 28 01:28
activelowa compile-time CFLAGS=-DSCRAMBLER_KEY alters the internal squashfs scrambler compression if desired; and boot process is locked to prevent any interruption anywhereMar 28 01:30
activelowit's not as if any "hacker" could fiddle with /etc/shadow and expect a root-shellMar 28 01:30
activelowfor hard-disks i re-integrated loopdev, with a high-speed scramblerMar 28 01:32
activelowthere's some minor regression remaining with md-raid/loopdev, some buffering/locking issue, yet 30MiB/s is good enough for meMar 28 01:32
activelow# elosetup /dev/loop2Mar 28 01:32
activelow/dev/loop2: [0005]:8599 (/dev/md128), encryption  (type 2)Mar 28 01:32
activelowthe cipher design is extremely simple, wouldn't bother with publishing it, not concerned about ECB nor known-plaintext cribs at allMar 28 01:34
DaemonFC<mjg59_> DaemonFC: As a foreign national, the NSA aren't super keen on me as an assetMar 28 01:35
DaemonFCIt wouldn't be the first time.Mar 28 01:35
activelownon-primitive recurse LFSR 32bit, that's what i chose, it's the simplest and fastest 32bit cipher the NSA had ever seen, guaranteedMar 28 01:35
DaemonFCactivelow, GNOME has officially jumped the shark on their own stupidity.Mar 28 01:36
DaemonFCIt used to be "Yeah, so what if none of this works on other desktops!".Mar 28 01:36
DaemonFCAnd now it's "No, that solution is WAAAAY too easy, let's break it if you're using last year's GNOME.".Mar 28 01:37
DaemonFChttps://wgntv.com/news/chicago-news/wicker-park-store-offers-tasty-treats-dogs-humans-can-share/Mar 28 01:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wgntv.com | Wicker Park store offers tasty treats dogs, humans can share | WGN-TVMar 28 01:40
DaemonFCWow, they figured out how to turn cow lung and spleen into $7.50 an OUNCE dog treats.Mar 28 01:41
activelowGTK cannot remain inside the base-system, there is one c++ dependency remaining in the bdeps: dev-util/gperfMar 28 01:41
DaemonFCJesus fuck. I don't usually spend $7.50 a POUND on things to feed myself.Mar 28 01:41
activelowotherwise GTK3 didn't violate any criteria yet, so i will integrate into $sysrootMar 28 01:41
activelowGNOME however is a BaphometOS warzoneMar 28 01:42
DaemonFCThe EU and Germany are conspiring to force activelow into poverty.Mar 28 01:42
DaemonFCI feel like there should be that guy putting stick in bicycle wheel meme here though.Mar 28 01:42
DaemonFC"DAMN YOU AMERICA!"Mar 28 01:42
MinceR:>Mar 28 01:42
activelowDaemonFC: good, then you see /dev/loop2 remains what it isMar 28 01:43
activelowand this is only the *nix fun, not to mention all the Telco management bag loaded onto my backMar 28 01:43
DaemonFCThere's ups and downs with any decision you make, I suppose.Mar 28 01:43
activelowalthough, i dropped this one 15 years ago already, may they carry itMar 28 01:43
DaemonFCI think people use GNOME because in many ways KDE is even more fucked up somehow.Mar 28 01:44
activelowsure, KDE and any QT4/5 etc. are long goneMar 28 01:44
DaemonFCCertain video websites are using this HTTPS Live Streaming "feature" so as to obscure how to download the video.Mar 28 01:44
activelowthere was a chance with KDE3, yet it is too much efforts (i did re-integrate QT3/trinity desktop and it was almost flawless)Mar 28 01:45
DaemonFCSo I get to wait while VDH gets the packets and reassembles them into a new container.Mar 28 01:45
DaemonFCNot computationally cheap, mind you.Mar 28 01:45
activelowhowever, too much effort, and more important things to do with BaphometOSMar 28 01:45
activelowthe only truly real *nixMar 28 01:45
DaemonFCHyperinflate the currency! Mar 28 01:46
DaemonFCStagnant wages!Mar 28 01:46
DaemonFCComplains about "pirates" and why people don't eat out more, and why Disney World is looking awfully empty all of a sudden.Mar 28 01:46
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DaemonFCBiden is pretty much doing to us what Europe has been going through for years.Mar 28 01:47
DaemonFCThey want to force everyone to become vegetarians who have to rely on the bus for lack of a better living standard.Mar 28 01:47
DaemonFCThey know nobody is going to give up meat or their car voluntarily, so the billionaires with the 10 private jets and sprawling mansions and put out more carbon going to a single "climate change" conferance than the average American produces in an entire lifetime conspire to rob us of our living standards with hyperinflation and at each other's throats for jobs....Mar 28 01:49
DaemonFCTexas actually requires an annual safety inspection on your car every year.Mar 28 01:49
*activelow barely could afford a train ticketMar 28 01:50
DaemonFCIllinois doesn't. As long as your CEL isn't on and your car isn't producing 30% more smog than it was designed to (what it usually takes to trip an error light) you're fine.Mar 28 01:50
DaemonFCSo it can be a complete piece of shit that could cause a pile up on the freeway and all the state cares about is whether it puts out too much pollution.Mar 28 01:51
DaemonFCIt's really not a great idea to let your car get so out of whack that it pollutes like that because it usually means it's going through 30% more gasoline at the time the light comes on, but.....Mar 28 01:52
DaemonFCObviously people are spending their entire car budget trying to keep the fucking light off when it's not a safety hazard.Mar 28 01:52
DaemonFCThen you see them driving around with tires so bald the cords are showing.Mar 28 01:52
DaemonFC10% of their brake pads left.Mar 28 01:52
DaemonFCWheel bearing so far gone it's smoking and they're doing 90 mph.Mar 28 01:52
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DaemonFCWhen mom handed me this car it was getting 9 miles per gallon in the city and she goes "Gee I don't know, I think I was getting 20.".Mar 28 01:53
DaemonFCRight.....Mar 28 01:53
DaemonFCI had it tuned up and replaced a bunch of filters (myself) and fixed vacuum leaks, and it slowly came back up to about 17-18.Mar 28 01:54
DaemonFCBut she had let it get to HALF what it was supposed to which already wasn't terrific to begin with.Mar 28 01:54
DaemonFCThen she drives around like that going "Damn Biden! Gas went up a nickel today!".Mar 28 01:55
DaemonFCWhen she's not even paying attention to the fact that the car is using two gallons to get as far as one ought to get her.Mar 28 01:55
DaemonFCThe only reason I even bothered to fix the engine up was because the mechanic looked it over really well and said the metal parts, the pistons, rings, etc. were in really good shape somehow and what was wrong with it was "all of this cheap plastic shit".Mar 28 01:57
DaemonFCOf course, she just always buys cars without doing any research at all.Mar 28 01:57
DaemonFCIf you got a 2002, the intakes would have been aluminum, not plastic.Mar 28 01:57
DaemonFCAnd the only part you'd likely need to replace would be the gasket..Mar 28 01:57
DaemonFCAnd they were probably closing out a 2002 right next to this thing.Mar 28 01:58
DaemonFCEvery year, shit gets worse.Mar 28 01:58
DaemonFCEverything you can possibly buy get worse.Mar 28 01:58
DaemonFCThe heyday of the US economy was probably 1999. That's where I'd put the peak.Mar 28 01:58
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DaemonFCEvery year a car company makes a product, they figure out how to make it less reliable on purpose and then they pass the savings right along to you. $10,000 price hike and oh yeah, we don't have any computers to run the air conditioner in the back seat so here's a $50 gift card. -FordMar 28 02:00
DaemonFCMinceR, ^Mar 28 02:00
DaemonFCI don't know if you can still buy anything with that. It's fifty Biden Dollars.Mar 28 02:00
DaemonFCSpend it quick!Mar 28 02:00
activelowever read about the Lada Niva?Mar 28 02:02
DaemonFCNoMar 28 02:02
activelowinteresting concept car, designed and produced for one purpose only: practical in rural areas for farmersMar 28 02:02
activelowbuilt for 40years now, with some minor alterationsMar 28 02:03
activelowsome years ago, price was 10K cash, brand new from RussiaMar 28 02:03
activelowthis car is the record-holder in Antarctica, some dozens of thousands of miles, at -50degCMar 28 02:04
MinceRconcept?Mar 28 02:07
MinceRit's pretty low quality thoughMar 28 02:08
DaemonFCEh.....Mar 28 02:09
DaemonFCAs long as it's cheap to buy and cheap to fix, who cares?Mar 28 02:09
MinceRi doMar 28 02:10
DaemonFCNobody that lives in our building seems to have a car newer than about 2005 maybe?Mar 28 02:10
MinceRi don't like wasting my time on taking the car to the workshopMar 28 02:10
MinceRor having it towed from where it fell apartMar 28 02:10
activelowthe Lada Niva relatively small, for the average body size, humans were ~20 centimeters shorter 40years agoMar 28 02:10
DaemonFCYou just have to keep them running forever now like Cuba because the government has mandated so much stupid shit that there's no alternative.Mar 28 02:10
MinceRif i wanted a small, hardcore offroad SUV and didn't mind it being cramped and underpowered, i would have bought a Suzuki JimnyMar 28 02:11
MinceRfar better than any ladaMar 28 02:11
activelowit is very noisy inside; too it is recommended some sealing is applied for offroad scenarios, which isn't too expensiveMar 28 02:11
DaemonFCCarvana gets ae lot of BMWs.Mar 28 02:12
DaemonFCAnd they're not even that old.Mar 28 02:12
activelowand, the LNG option is interesting, given petrol prices, LNG is 50% the price of regular E10 fuelMar 28 02:12
DaemonFCTells you what their original owner thought of it.Mar 28 02:12
DaemonFCTrying to get out of something that's bleeding them like a stuck pig.Mar 28 02:12
MinceRyeah, if i wanted an excuse to visit the workshop all the time, i'd buy a BMWMar 28 02:12
MinceRprovided i didn't have a better thing to spend money on than badly designed replacement parts, that isMar 28 02:13
activelowan offroader for 10K cash, that was exceptional price/performanceMar 28 02:13
activelowalthough, i fear, workshops and repair are easier in Russia, there is rarely any Lada supplier anywhere in EuropeMar 28 02:14
MinceRalso, buying ladas and lada parts would help fund terrorussia's terror campaigns, so i'd rather not do that anywayMar 28 02:16
MinceRthen again, i'm not sure if they'll even be making any more of them, considering that renault is supposed to be leaving terrorussiaMar 28 02:16
MinceRand they own ladaMar 28 02:16
activelowhungarian Ikarus manufacturer is defunct tooMar 28 02:18
activelowi think east-germany was a parts supplier to Ikarus, and those suppliers are either gone too or altererd their products to supply western industryMar 28 02:19
MinceRyeahMar 28 02:24
MinceRand somehow budapest managed to find even worse buses than thoseMar 28 02:24
MinceR"premium" low-floor crap from mercedes-benz which is like it doesn't even have a suspensionMar 28 02:24
MinceRthough i suspect that they're much more tolerable on roads that don't suckMar 28 02:25
MinceRand also that the issue is because of hungarian local governments' inexplicable obsession with low-floor vehiclesMar 28 02:25
MinceR"low entry" should be plenty enoughMar 28 02:25
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DaemonFChttps://wgntv.com/news/wgn-news-now/blood-pressure-medication-recall-is-impacting-millions-what-patients-need-to-know/Mar 28 02:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wgntv.com | Blood pressure medication recall is impacting millions, what patients need to know | WGN-TVMar 28 02:58
DaemonFCThis keeps happening for whatever reason.Mar 28 02:58
DaemonFCMine isn't on the recall list.Mar 28 02:58
DaemonFCI haven't checked my blood pressure since starting Irbesartan, but it feels lower.Mar 28 02:58
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DaemonFCThe long term damage of high blood pressure is too much to ignore.Mar 28 02:59
DaemonFCMy ex was 35 when he had a stroke. They got him to the hospital and he didn't die, but I mean, god damn.Mar 28 02:59
DaemonFCSo when my doctor said you won't stroke out at 38, I said, "One of my exes did at 35.".Mar 28 03:00
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MinceRRodents Of Unusual Size? I don't think they exist.Mar 28 03:11
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DaemonFCI think there will probably be a Second Video Game Crash soon.Mar 28 03:17
DaemonFCIf it's not already in progress.Mar 28 03:17
DaemonFCGran Turismo 7 is just the stupidest thing I've ever heard of.Mar 28 03:18
DaemonFCThe PlayStation wants to be more like some dumb smartphone game, only you pay $70 for the game and you only have half the game unless you pay more or do some really pointless "grinding".Mar 28 03:18
MinceRwho cares, we can make our ownMar 28 03:21
kingoffrance1 and maybe 2 are the only gran turismo i ever played.  they had concept cars.    "Lada Niva"Mar 28 03:31
MinceRlolMar 28 03:33
MinceRmy preferred driving game is Carmageddon: Max DamageMar 28 03:33
MinceRif it has real vehicles, they're renamed :>Mar 28 03:33
DaemonFCI got Mandy with the old joke.... "What's long, and hard, and full of seamen?".Mar 28 03:39
DaemonFC:/Mar 28 03:39
DaemonFCI thought everyone had heard that one.Mar 28 03:39
DaemonFC<MinceR> if it has real vehicles, they're renamed :>Mar 28 03:40
DaemonFCDoes it have the BMW that breaks down before you even get to run over anyone?Mar 28 03:40
MinceRlolMar 28 03:40
MinceRi don't think it doesMar 28 03:40
MinceRah, someone actually figured it outMar 28 03:41
MinceRhttps://www.igcd.net/game.php?id=1000011802Mar 28 03:41
DaemonFC"1990 Lada 1300"Mar 28 03:43
DaemonFC:/Mar 28 03:43
MinceR:)Mar 28 03:43
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mateyhttps://github.com/srid/GNUSim8085/issues/63 "GNUSim8085 should support the "undocumented" 8085 instruction and flags but does not appear to."Mar 28 03:54
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matey"It has been known since 1979 that the 8085 contains undocumented opcodes and flag bits."Mar 28 03:54
matey"The information on flags from Ken Shirriff and opcodes from Pavel Zima is based on images of the silicon circuitry on the actual chip and are definitively correct."Mar 28 03:54
matey^ to schestowitz schestowitz-tr who says that you cant get information from silicon (even though it wouldnt matter as with free hardware, you wouldnt get it "from the silicon" but the lithograph/plans/blueprints)Mar 28 03:55
mateywhile trying to paint free silicon advocacy as "absolutism" and not the next step forward in freedomMar 28 03:56
mateyits one thing to downplay threats-- but to always spread fud about the newest, most incredible efforts to be more free...Mar 28 03:56
mateymaybe i misunderstood of course (thats the usual line)Mar 28 03:57
mateyoh no, i didnt mean it that way. by "absolutist" i meant "blah blah blah"Mar 28 03:57
mateydidnt even go looking for this! simply found it in the middle of research i was already doing.Mar 28 03:58
mateystumbled onto it by chance.Mar 28 03:58
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mateySun 17:52:28  │ schestowitz-TR  │ this is where I deplore some absolutists │ schestowitz-TR  │ they go down to silicon │ schestowitz-TR  │ like physically silicon │ schestowitz-TR  │ not semi-conductors │ schestowitz-TR  │ yes, well... you cannot check your wafer with a microscope, not usefully anywayMar 28 04:00
matey/me deplores 2-faced idiotsMar 28 04:00
matey"like physically silicon... not semi-conductors" rofl Mar 28 04:00
mateydownplay github, downplay ibm, fud openbsd, fud free siliconMar 28 04:01
mateydownplay systemd "no we wrote many articles"Mar 28 04:01
matey schestowitz-TR  │ yes, well... you cannot check your wafer with a microscope, not usefully anyway okay, explain https://github.com/srid/GNUSim8085/issues/63Mar 28 04:02
mateyschestowitz-TR  │ yes, well... i constantly pull fud out of my arseMar 28 04:02
mateybut why?Mar 28 04:03
mateywhy DO that?Mar 28 04:03
mateythe cognitive dissonance i used to go through when he said things like this a year or two ago "must be some mistake"Mar 28 04:04
mateybenefit of the doubtMar 28 04:04
mateyi was such a suckerMar 28 04:05
mateyits just bullshitMar 28 04:05
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schestowitz-TRhi mateyMar 28 04:57
schestowitz-TRsorry if I said something that offended youMar 28 04:57
mateyoh you mean like the time you spent an entire year telling anyone that would listen that i went nuts over an argument with mincer?Mar 28 04:58
schestowitz-TRit was not just about MinceRMar 28 04:58
mateyeven in november you said "this is where it all started"-- in december?Mar 28 04:58
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mateygo back to august (a bit before december) to an article where i said i was leaving because i was tired of being misrepresented in articles.Mar 28 04:59
mateybut sure, lets make it about a nothing exchange with mincer. it wasnt even important.Mar 28 04:59
mateyregarding silicon:Mar 28 04:59
schestowitz-TRthis is the schtick they use against RMS a lotMar 28 04:59
schestowitz-TRRMS responds with table analogies, IIRCMar 28 04:59
mateybeg your pardon?Mar 28 05:00
mateyIn the summer of 2009, the Visual6502.org project shot and assembled high resolution photographs of a MOS 6502 revision D. The surface of the chip was photographed, then the metal and polysilicon layers were stripped off to reveal the conductive substrate diffusion areas. The substrate was photographed, and the substrate image was aligned to the surface image.Mar 28 05:00
schestowitz-TRI'd need to look up videosMar 28 05:00
schestowitz-TRthey belittle RMS workMar 28 05:00
mateyso theyre taking a 6502 and reverse engineering itMar 28 05:00
schestowitz-TRby bringing "open" hardware into itMar 28 05:00
schestowitz-TR"free hardware designs"Mar 28 05:01
schestowitz-TRand he explains he cannot dod chip fabs at homeMar 28 05:01
schestowitz-TR*doMar 28 05:01
mateyit has nothing to do with belittling his workMar 28 05:01
mateyand he explains he cannot dod chip fabs at home <- hes wrong actuallyMar 28 05:01
schestowitz-TRmaybe for high mm densityMar 28 05:02
schestowitz-TRmicrometerMar 28 05:02
mateythis is literally about science. and his positions are based on assumptions that are demonstrably falseMar 28 05:02
mateymaybe for high mm density <- the density that is possible to fab continues to increaseMar 28 05:02
mateypeople like lrowe have real numbersMar 28 05:03
schestowitz-TRiirc, it used to be transistor tubesMar 28 05:03
schestowitz-TRback in the 50sMar 28 05:03
schestowitz-TRthose can be separately repaired?Mar 28 05:03
mateytransistor tubes would be painfully behind the times of what even hobbyists are now capable ofMar 28 05:03
mateyreplacedMar 28 05:03
mateyi dont know if you can repair a blown transistor or why you would want toMar 28 05:04
schestowitz-TRprogrammable boards are interestingMar 28 05:04
mateypeople dont repair blown light bulbs and that would be much easierMar 28 05:04
schestowitz-TRbut then you need to check the chip itselfMar 28 05:04
schestowitz-TRand whether that chip makes sense, it's like a layer osf virtualisationMar 28 05:04
mateybut then you need to check the chip itself <- if the transistors are discrete there is no "chip"-- the integrated circuit didnt exist in the 50sMar 28 05:05
schestowitz-TRwhere you want to audit the hypervisor itselfMar 28 05:05
mateywell it definitely depends if we are talking about transistors from the 50s or chips from the 70s onwardMar 28 05:06
schestowitz(cat) Mar 28 05:06
schestowitzgemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D185.jpgMar 28 05:06
mateyhobbyists can do both now.Mar 28 05:06
schestowitzmatey: you cheetah on me gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D543.jpgMar 28 05:06
mateyso rms is factually wrong.Mar 28 05:06
mateythe thing is, his position is based on assumptions that are a decade out of dateMar 28 05:07
mateyits unscientific, next to dogma Mar 28 05:07
mateyflat-earthismMar 28 05:07
techrights-news"I was also thinking about partitioning my Tinylog. But it isn't Gopher with their catalog of files. Gemini is similar to WWW, with content mixed with site structure. So in Gopher, we would link to content, rather than to site structure like in WWW and Gemini." gemini://szczezuja.space/tinylog.gmiMar 28 05:07
mateyof course no one expects him to be right about things he doesnt keep up to date onMar 28 05:08
schestowitz-TRmatey: he said that around 2005-2010Mar 28 05:08
schestowitz-TRthat I was it anywayMar 28 05:08
schestowitz-TRsomething about sawing his own chairMar 28 05:08
mateywell hes said things more recently in gnu mailing listsMar 28 05:08
schestowitz-TRand equipment necessaryMar 28 05:08
mateyi mean this year.Mar 28 05:08
mateyliterally 2022.Mar 28 05:08
mateyif not, then 2021, i didnt go back farther than that.Mar 28 05:08
mateyCUSTOM hardware is becoming so cheap, i said this more than a year ago-- that its increasingly practical to move malware directly to the siliconMar 28 05:09
mateyi dont mean malware that is attached later with wires or physical accessMar 28 05:10
mateyi mean malware in the original production process, like lenovo didMar 28 05:10
schestowitz-TRthat malware is something part of the design for states nowMar 28 05:10
mateystates as in nation states?Mar 28 05:10
schestowitz-TRso making designs like risc-v and publishing the designs would be something russia, china, india can benefit fromMar 28 05:10
mateyi mean there are hundreds of countries that could benefit in the long runMar 28 05:11
schestowitz-TRrighht, butMar 28 05:11
schestowitz-TRthey have many other issues and limited resourcesMar 28 05:11
schestowitz-TRso they would take whetever larger nations throw at themMar 28 05:11
schestowitz-TRsay, kenya or vietnamMar 28 05:12
schestowitz-TRchina and india have resources for space programs tooMar 28 05:12
mateythis would apply to any country with makerspacesMar 28 05:12
mateyin the 1900s the big deal might have been building radiosMar 28 05:13
mateyin the 2000s the future could mean building cpusMar 28 05:13
mateyyoure still talking as if they have to invest in fabs-- the whole point is that you can make a cpu without a traditional fab nowMar 28 05:13
schestowitz-TRi need to read up on itMar 28 05:14
schestowitz-TRiirc, some "modern" CPUs are hundreds of billions of gatesMar 28 05:15
mateyhttps://web.archive.org/web/20220328035750/https://kylo.tv/how-to-reverse-engineer-a-computer-chip/  /https://kylo.tv/how-to-reverse-engineer-a-computer-chip/Mar 28 05:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | How To Reverse Engineer A Computer Chip? – KyloMar 28 05:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kylo.tv | How To Reverse Engineer A Computer Chip? – KyloMar 28 05:15
schestowitz-TRand GPUs maybe a lot moreMar 28 05:15
mateygnu wasnt built on trying to recreate the windows api.Mar 28 05:16
mateyit was created in the 80s and 90s based on a 70s operating system Mar 28 05:16
mateyits still quite usefulMar 28 05:16
schestowitz-TRso scaling down basicallyMar 28 05:16
mateysilicon shouldnt be held to a different standard-- at any rate it would be useless to do soMar 28 05:16
mateymaking technology free has always started with more modest designs.Mar 28 05:17
mateybut the scaled "up" designs were often unnecessaryMar 28 05:17
mateyyou scale down every time you opt for used hardware and brag about how 6 pcs add up to less than 1000 pounds.Mar 28 05:17
mateylibre hardware is no differentMar 28 05:17
mateyit has to start somewhereMar 28 05:17
mateymy computers are typically years old when i get them and i run them for yearsMar 28 05:18
mateytechnology moves fast, free hardware will continue to advanceMar 28 05:18
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mateygnu isnt a 1970s os anymore (neither is bsd)Mar 28 05:19
mateybut it had to start somewhereMar 28 05:19
techrights-news⚓ This past week quite a few Europe Patents were reported to have been smashed by tribunals. | ♾ Gemini address: This past week quite a few Europe Patents were reported to have been smashed by tribunals.Mar 28 05:20
mateyimagine if we had let microsoft dismiss gnu on the grounds that it didnt support the complexity of the win apiMar 28 05:20
techrights-newsThe Patent Distortion: Judging by the Media, the EPO Strike Never Happened (and Lots More Lies, Even Promotion of Illegal Agenda) | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/03/27/media-blackout-europe/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/27/media-blackout-europe/Mar 28 05:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Patent Distortion: Judging by the Media, the EPO Strike Never Happened (and Lots More Lies, Even Promotion of Illegal Agenda) | TechrightsMar 28 05:20
schestowitz-TRbut waityMar 28 05:20
mateywhy would anyone expect free hardware to match modern chips in complexity out of the gate?Mar 28 05:20
schestowitz-TRin 1983 windows was hardly a thingMar 28 05:20
schestowitz-TRand gnu wasn't made to replace windowsMar 28 05:21
mateyno it was meant to provide free computingMar 28 05:21
schestowitz-TRrightMar 28 05:21
mateyand even though it wasnt made to replace windowsMar 28 05:21
mateyit suitably does so.Mar 28 05:21
mateyliterally without trying to.Mar 28 05:21
mateyin some instances, gnu/linux plus wine is better than windows in ways that can be measuredMar 28 05:22
mateyobviously in terms of compatibility its never going to be 1:1Mar 28 05:22
mateybut when windows drops compatbility in some areas, wine doesnt-- in those instances it can even beat windows at compatbility!Mar 28 05:23
schestowitz-TRmicrosoft lacks the incentive to work as well as wine on windows apisMar 28 05:23
schestowitz-TRthey want to push newer version of malwaredowsMar 28 05:23
mateyexactlyMar 28 05:23
mateywe are kidding ourselves if we think malware isnt already in silicon-- but most of it is firmware so we dont need silicon to beat thatMar 28 05:24
mateywe can have free firmwareMar 28 05:24
mateybut if we ignore the progression of this we can dismiss free silicon entirely, and miss the point of itMar 28 05:24
mateyrms is demonstrating a double standard when he pretends he has to make his own cpus for free silicon to be usefulMar 28 05:25
schestowitz-TRfsf would say, not our departmentMar 28 05:25
mateyits NOTMar 28 05:25
mateyits not their dept at allMar 28 05:25
schestowitz-TRlike when it's asked abouty russian sanctionsMar 28 05:25
schestowitz-TRfsf says free designsMar 28 05:25
schestowitz-TRbut hardly lists that in high-priority projectrsMar 28 05:25
mateyi dont have to write my own operating system to benefit from free softwareMar 28 05:25
schestowitz-TRas it is not software, I assumeMar 28 05:25
mateyrms doesnt have to make his own cpu to benefit from free silicon eitherMar 28 05:26
schestowitz-TRbtwMar 28 05:26
mateyit was a sheer double standard when he said thatMar 28 05:26
schestowitz-TRIEEE (IIRC) had a new article of interest last week, or relevanceMar 28 05:26
schestowitz-TRabout a group that works on the hardware sideMar 28 05:26
schestowitz-TRlet me find it...Mar 28 05:26
schestowitzor maybe I was thinking of https://eponymouspickle.blogspot.com/2022/03/open-source-robotics-foundation-osrf.htmlMar 28 05:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-eponymouspickle.blogspot.com | The Eponymous Pickle: Open Source Robotics Foundation (OSRF)Mar 28 05:27
schestowitzoh, never mind, it's about robotics https://spectrum.ieee.org/open-roboticsMar 28 05:28
-altlink_63e/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: ieee.org | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://spectrum.ieee.org/open-roboticsMar 28 05:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-spectrum.ieee.org | Happy 10th Birthday to the Open Source Robotics Foundation - IEEE SpectrumMar 28 05:28
mateyhttps://yewtu.be/watch?v=r8Vq5NV4EnsMar 28 05:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | How I reverse engineer a chip - InvidiousMar 28 05:28
techrights-newsToday in #Techrights • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163055Mar 28 05:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesMar 28 05:28
schestowitz-TRback in a moment, boiling water on the hobMar 28 05:28
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mateyby the way, the person involved in maintaining the web interface for the gnu bug tracker works for awsMar 28 05:31
mateynot that its criminal to work for amazon, just that-- i mean this is what happensMar 28 05:32
schestowitz-TRamazon hired loads of peopleMar 28 05:32
mateyprojects move from hobby projects "not big and sophisticated like gnu" to corporate productsMar 28 05:32
schestowitz-TRmany from red hat moved thereMar 28 05:32
schestowitz-TRwhen they left ICBMMar 28 05:32
schestowitz-TRsome as engineers, some as managementMar 28 05:32
schestowitz-TRformer USPTO head, michelle lee, is an amazon nowMar 28 05:33
mateybut then corporate products try to crush hobbyists-- disney did the same thingMar 28 05:33
schestowitz-TRfun fact: amazon has almost 10 times more staff than MicrosoftMar 28 05:33
schestowitz-TRbut many are "low skilled"Mar 28 05:33
schestowitz-TRand Microsoft does the permatemp spielMar 28 05:33
mateywalt disney constantly remixed existing commercial works-- like steamboat billMar 28 05:33
schestowitz-TRamazon also disposes of employees a lotMar 28 05:33
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mateythen when he died, the corporation that took over (im not saying disney was a saint, just an artist) tried to stop people from doing the same Mar 28 05:34
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mateyeven rewriting the laws to benefit corporations solely and people like disney himself become serfsMar 28 05:34
schestowitz-TRso a bit like microsoft in some regardMar 28 05:34
mateyexactly like microsoftMar 28 05:35
mateythis is an anti-pattern in capitalism Mar 28 05:35
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2021/03/18/epoleaks-report-march-2021-part-13/Mar 28 05:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law — Part XIII: A Global ‘IP’ Player | TechrightsMar 28 05:35
AdmFubarwhat is a hob?Mar 28 05:35
schestowitz"In the early 1990s, when the company’s annual revenues had just crossed the billion-dollar threshold, Microsoft held around five patents."Mar 28 05:35
mateycooker/stove = hobMar 28 05:35
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mateygates wasnt interested in patents until he realised they could be used as a weaponMar 28 05:36
mateyyou feel differently about weapons when youre powerful enough to hire an army :)Mar 28 05:36
mateygates didnt want them used against microsoft-- once microsoft was big enough to se them, he felt quite differentlyMar 28 05:36
mateysame with free softwareMar 28 05:37
mateymicrosoft didnt want free software used to defeat themMar 28 05:37
mateyonce they figured out how to use free software against itself, now they <3 linuxMar 28 05:37
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mateyfree software is still the competitionMar 28 05:37
mateyonly now they can use the competition against the competitionMar 28 05:38
mateyi dont know how anyone can paint this as their being won overMar 28 05:38
mateythey only embrace things to kill themMar 28 05:38
mateyor to use them against competitorsMar 28 05:38
schestowitz-TRhas not worked entirelyMar 28 05:38
schestowitz-TRit's also a risky gambitMar 28 05:39
mateyno but most things dont work entirelyMar 28 05:39
schestowitz-TRas it distracts them from their own waresMar 28 05:39
schestowitz-TRlook at the state of windowsMar 28 05:39
schestowitz-TRit's in disarrayMar 28 05:39
mateyim sure theyve weighed the risksMar 28 05:39
schestowitz-TRthey just bribe officials to keep some share goingMar 28 05:39
mateymy position is never that microsoft is unstoppableMar 28 05:39
mateybut we can make very foolish decisions that help them to borrow timeMar 28 05:40
schestowitz-TRyesMar 28 05:40
mateyand the fact that they are not unstoppable will never change thatMar 28 05:40
schestowitz-TRpart of it is a federal issueMar 28 05:40
schestowitz-TRbailing firms outMar 28 05:41
mateysure theyll use anything they canMar 28 05:41
mateygovernments, armies (defence contracts) hobbyists Mar 28 05:41
schestowitz-TRwhile banning huaweui, xiaomiMar 28 05:41
mateysureMar 28 05:41
schestowitz-TRfunny framing:Mar 28 05:42
schestowitz-TR(maybe worthy for a meme)Mar 28 05:42
mateythey dont benefit from a level playing field, they will always try to stack the deckMar 28 05:42
schestowitz-TRtroll says:Mar 28 05:42
schestowitz-TRHEY, FSF, WHY NO SANCTION RUSSIA !!!Mar 28 05:42
schestowitz-TRBut notMar 28 05:42
schestowitz-TRWhy no sanction Microsoft !!Mar 28 05:42
mateyindeedMar 28 05:42
schestowitz-TRsame for IBMMar 28 05:43
schestowitz-TRFSF badMar 28 05:43
schestowitz-TRMicrosoft goodMar 28 05:43
schestowitz-TRlike, WTH???Mar 28 05:43
mateyi still love free software-- free software is closer to what i do. im a software guyMar 28 05:43
schestowitz-TR"ehitcal" sourceMar 28 05:43
mateyi support free hardware because ive always lived in the future. even in the 80sMar 28 05:43
schestowitz-TRask them abou mirosofy briberyMar 28 05:43
mateywe are seeing things now that to me are old friends.Mar 28 05:44
mateybut im not likely to become a hardware guyMar 28 05:44
mateyso free software is a cause closer to what i care aboutMar 28 05:44
mateyyou know i was into electronics before computersMar 28 05:44
schestowitz-TRwell, technically [wait]Mar 28 05:44
mateybut the minute i could code, i stopped caring (MOSTLY)Mar 28 05:44
mateybecause software is easier, and i like thatMar 28 05:45
schestowitz-TRcomputers were that before they were called thatMar 28 05:45
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schestowitz-TRor rather, engineeringMar 28 05:45
schestowitz-TRtechniciansMar 28 05:45
schestowitz-TRmy grnadpa was "radio technician"Mar 28 05:45
schestowitz-TRthat term is not used anymoreMar 28 05:45
schestowitz-TRthey could repair receiversMar 28 05:45
schestowitz-TRand "transistors"Mar 28 05:45
mateyradios needed tto be maintainedMar 28 05:45
mateythey had parts that burned out designed to be replacedMar 28 05:45
schestowitz-TRthe old name for some radio receiversMar 28 05:45
mateytroubleshooted (shot?)Mar 28 05:46
mateyit was silly and expensive to replace a radio when all you had to do was change the tube-- as silly as replacing a lamp when the bulb goes outMar 28 05:47
schestowitz-TRwhich happens a lot nowMar 28 05:47
mateyyeah companies like waste if it means profitMar 28 05:47
schestowitz-TRthere is good literature about the conspiracy to keep bulbs from lasting longMar 28 05:47
schestowitz-TRyou can still buy some bulks that last 10+ yearsMar 28 05:48
schestowitz-TRthey are not cheapMar 28 05:48
mateyand yet rms knocks people making their own bulbsMar 28 05:48
mateyrecently!Mar 28 05:48
DaemonFCFree Software can't really sanction anyone. Even proprietary software can have trouble sometimes.Mar 28 05:48
schestowitz-TRDaemonFC: now we have SAAAAAAS!!!Mar 28 05:48
schestowitz-TRso they can switch things off remoatelyMar 28 05:48
DaemonFCNetscape had an export version with weak crypto, but nothing stopped people from downloading the non-export version.Mar 28 05:49
mateyits hard for free software to condemn anythign when it cant even retain its own valuesMar 28 05:49
DaemonFCYeah, so....don't use it.Mar 28 05:49
DaemonFCWhy do you need some idiotic program running on Google to edit documents?Mar 28 05:49
DaemonFCThat's crazy.Mar 28 05:49
schestowitz-TRyeahMar 28 05:49
mateybecause jobs!Mar 28 05:49
schestowitz-TR"convenience"Mar 28 05:49
schestowitz-TR(=-laziness)Mar 28 05:49
schestowitz-TRbtw, it's also a waste of b/wMar 28 05:49
mateygoogle means jobs!Mar 28 05:49
schestowitz-TRsame for stadia (games)Mar 28 05:49
schestowitz-TRit's wasting a ton of electricity at the "wires"Mar 28 05:50
mateynot trusting them with your tax forms means people out of work-- the economy would come to standstillMar 28 05:50
mateyput all your files in the clown before we are all fighting over the last head of cabbageMar 28 05:50
schestowitz-TRin the video I made Saturday I mentioned how PCs now have little internal storageMar 28 05:51
schestowitz-TRI've said that for many yearsMar 28 05:51
mateymeaning the hard drive?Mar 28 05:51
schestowitz-TRbut when searcing for a computer I saw nothing has improvedMar 28 05:51
DaemonFCAbout the only proprietary Windows program I use much at all is foobar2000.Mar 28 05:51
schestowitz-TR512GB is considered "A LOT!"Mar 28 05:51
DaemonFCLately, Wine has improved the look and feel and foobar2000 isn't crashing under certain cases where it used to.Mar 28 05:52
schestowitz-TRso you end up streaming and "putting it on the clown"\Mar 28 05:52
schestowitz-TRwhich is cheap for those companiesMar 28 05:52
mateywhat size is techrights now, with videoMar 28 05:52
schestowitz-TRbut risky to youMar 28 05:52
schestowitz-TRthey turn PCs into "phones"Mar 28 05:52
schestowitz-TRwith listening devices built inMar 28 05:52
DaemonFCschestowitz-TR, With the VLC app, you _could_ put Opus files on your Goolag drive and stream them directly from there.Mar 28 05:52
schestowitz-TRmatey: I would need to run duMar 28 05:52
schestowitz-TRiirc, about 200gbMar 28 05:53
mateyokay so you could fit techrights, hypothetically, on 512gb more than onceMar 28 05:53
schestowitz-TRok, homedir is 161gbMar 28 05:53
mateyall 15 years of itMar 28 05:53
DaemonFCFor $1.99 a month I could get 119 GB of Goolag Drive.Mar 28 05:53
schestowitz-TR /root is 1.5gbMar 28 05:53
DaemonFCStill not worth it.Mar 28 05:53
DaemonFCI have all kinds of flash memory.Mar 28 05:53
DaemonFCIt doesn't cost $2 a month to use that.Mar 28 05:54
schestowitz-TRfor gemini the whole OS (Debian 11) and IPFS and Gemini and nginx for the proxy is about 7GBMar 28 05:54
schestowitz-TRwe thought about letting people download a tar with all the gemini stuffMar 28 05:54
schestowitz-TRbut afaik there's no "native" browser for geminiMar 28 05:55
mateyschestowitz-TR but the point is you could fit 15 years of techrights on 512gb more than onceMar 28 05:55
schestowitz-TRit wants you to supply URIs, nor relative locationsMar 28 05:55
schestowitz-TRa lot of that is videosMar 28 05:55
matey512gb is NOT a lot for video, its trueMar 28 05:55
mateyparticularly if you save the original footageMar 28 05:56
schestowitz-TR97gb for the /videos directory, which is not all videosMar 28 05:56
schestowitz-TRI keep the original files on 3 external disksMar 28 05:56
mateyapple has macbooks with 2tb nowMar 28 05:56
schestowitz-TRbut they are the same sans the watermark, intro etc.Mar 28 05:57
mateywhich is only 4x 512gbMar 28 05:57
schestowitz-TRa bit crisper too, as each pass (there are two) in transcoding degrades things somewhatMar 28 05:57
mateyi looked up apple because i figure its the sort of laptop for people who know they want to edit lots of videoMar 28 05:57
mateyin a mainstream, problems are solved by buying consumer products sort of contextMar 28 05:57
schestowitz-TRbut waitMar 28 05:57
schestowitz-TRthe costMar 28 05:57
schestowitz-TRhow much the cost of these?Mar 28 05:58
schestowitz-TR2k? 3k?Mar 28 05:58
mateyim not saying i consider it practical. i dont.Mar 28 05:58
schestowitz-TRI got a 1tb machine on saturdayMar 28 05:58
schestowitz-TRmagnetic diskMar 28 05:58
schestowitz-TRcost me 205 poundsMar 28 05:58
AdmFubarmost use windows for video editing at homeMar 28 05:58
mateysureMar 28 05:58
techrights-ipfs-bot ▕  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: █▅▁▅▂▂▃▂▃▅▁▄▄▄▅▆▃▃▄▆▄▅▅▄▅▆▆▇▇█▆▅▃▄▅▆▄▁ avg(k/sec) 47.50 ▕  IPFS upstream: █▂█▂▂███▃█▁▂▁▁▁█▄▅▁▁▂▁▂█▂▃▂▁▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▁ avg(k/sec) 107.28▕ swarm size (avg): 288.80  ⟲Mar 28 05:59
schestowitz-TRfwiw, I never edit videos Mar 28 05:59
mateybecause cheaper solutions often become more mainstreamMar 28 05:59
schestowitz-TRhave not tried since 2014Mar 28 05:59
schestowitz-TRI edited some rms videosMar 28 05:59
mateyyou do cut them down and resample them at leastMar 28 05:59
schestowitz-TRcut them into shunks and added things like introMar 28 05:59
mateybut thats not "Editing" in the sense of-- sureMar 28 05:59
mateyits minimalistMar 28 05:59
schestowitz-TRvideo editing is a pain in the bumMar 28 05:59
schestowitz-TRit takes agesMar 28 05:59
schestowitz-TRfor techrights videos I never even installed a video editor, ffmpeg does all that procedurallyMar 28 06:00
mateyive used it the same wayMar 28 06:00
DaemonFChttps://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Mozilla-MDN-PlusMar 28 06:00
-altlink_63e/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: phoronix.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Mozilla-MDN-PlusMar 28 06:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mozilla Formally Introduces MDN Plus As Its Developer Subscription Service - PhoronixMar 28 06:00
matey/me has ffmpeg installed now because mplayerMar 28 06:00
schestowitz-TRa 15-min edited gulagtube video can take at LEAST 10 hours to makeMar 28 06:00
DaemonFCMozilla Developer PaywallMar 28 06:00
schestowitz-TRnot so much the footage and separate takesMar 28 06:00
schestowitz-TRbut the editingMar 28 06:00
schestowitz-TRDaemonFC: yes, I linked to the original, twiceMar 28 06:01
schestowitz-TRit's maddeningMar 28 06:01
mateyit depends on the kind of quality you wantMar 28 06:01
schestowitz-TRand they don't seem to understand people would not payMar 28 06:01
schestowitz-TRsame for VPNMar 28 06:01
DaemonFCThis is after Microsoft and Google gave it bailout money.Mar 28 06:01
mateysome people want their videos to look professionalMar 28 06:01
schestowitz-TRmatey: right, but you know the thing about standardsMar 28 06:01
schestowitz-TRif you are a perfectionist, you cannot get much doneMar 28 06:02
schestowitz-TRin irc I'm a typo frenzyMar 28 06:02
schestowitz-TRmore so in ytalkMar 28 06:02
mateyi think it would be cooler if fewer people did-- but its a wide range of whats possible (both in terms of production quality and in terms of compromise)Mar 28 06:02
schestowitz-TRbut I read carefully articlesMar 28 06:02
schestowitz-TRre video, which is the main topic:Mar 28 06:02
DaemonFChttps://www.winehq.org/announce/7.5Mar 28 06:02
-altlink_63e/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: winehq.org | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.winehq.org/announce/7.5Mar 28 06:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.winehq.org | WineHQ - Wine Announcement - The Wine development release 7.5 is now available.Mar 28 06:02
schestowitz-TRthe minor stuff like awkward pauses does not matter in the grand scheme of thingsMar 28 06:02
DaemonFCThe HLSL compiler is already in my Wine 7 + Proton because the patches came from Proton.Mar 28 06:03
DaemonFCNice to see it upstreamed though.Mar 28 06:03
schestowitz-TRperfectionism can also suck the life/fun out of thingsMar 28 06:03
mateyof courseMar 28 06:03
schestowitz-TRso you quit doing them due to overhead associated with perfecting themMar 28 06:03
DaemonFCThis is why Fallout 4 ran like shit on plain Wine, well, one of the reasons.Mar 28 06:03
schestowitz-TRit's one of the things I HATED about doing my Ph.D.Mar 28 06:03
schestowitz-TRhaving to spend months and months "perfecting" the thesusMar 28 06:04
DaemonFCThe more compatible Wine gets, the less and less reasons there are for anyone to still be using Windows.Mar 28 06:04
schestowitz-TRI'd rather have written more papersMar 28 06:04
schestowitz-TRit's the same with codingMar 28 06:04
matey <DaemonFC> The more compatible Wine gets, the less and less reasons there are for anyone to still be using Windows. <- thats why they need anticheat stuffMar 28 06:04
DaemonFCThere's getting to be less reasons to use proprietary software in general. Especially recent games which have microtransactions and won't let you play it in single player with no internet connection.Mar 28 06:04
schestowitz-TRyou can spend years perfecting code for performanceMar 28 06:04
schestowitz-TRand  a year later that code is of no use anymoreMar 28 06:05
DaemonFCSome day few people will use Windows anymore and good compatibility with old programs written for it will still be nice to have.Mar 28 06:05
DaemonFCThey seem to be losing about 4-5% of their desktop users per year now.Mar 28 06:05
schestowitz-TRlike freedos? dosbox?Mar 28 06:05
mateyarchive.org has an online emulator for dos gamesMar 28 06:05
mateyid rather use dosbox for thatMar 28 06:06
DaemonFC<schestowitz-TR> like freedos? dosbox?Mar 28 06:06
mateysometimes you can download the gameMar 28 06:06
schestowitz-TRwindows is not "big" by today's termsMar 28 06:06
schestowitz-TRlike, win98 scaleMar 28 06:06
DaemonFCYeah. I think the day will come 15-20 years from now where the last Windows program goes out.Mar 28 06:06
schestowitz-TRbefore it became "clown"Mar 28 06:06
DaemonFCMaybe sooner.Mar 28 06:06
schestowitz-TRwin98 had to run with as little as 16 mb or ram, maybe 32Mar 28 06:06
DaemonFCThey're mostly just tending to the corpse at this point, with Windows.Mar 28 06:06
schestowitz-TRemballmering itMar 28 06:07
AdmFubaris it dead? well it was coughing up blood last night...Mar 28 06:07
DaemonFCThey keep throwing away money trying to make "Microsoftbooks" that nobody wants because they run like shit and run out of storage immediately.Mar 28 06:07
schestowitz-TRAdmFubar: if you run recent versions of itMar 28 06:07
schestowitz-TRI tried at the shopMar 28 06:08
schestowitz-TRit is slowMar 28 06:08
schestowitz-TRsluggishMar 28 06:08
schestowitz-TRuglyMar 28 06:08
DaemonFCThey don't even take the loss on them.Mar 28 06:08
schestowitz-TReven uglier than Vista (2006)Mar 28 06:08
DaemonFCThey get moles at other companies to blow themselves up with this.Mar 28 06:08
DaemonFCLike HP "Stream".Mar 28 06:08
schestowitz-TRand no special softwarae for it, "Edge" is a jokeMar 28 06:08
schestowitz-TRyou could use chromium on other platformsMar 28 06:08
schestowitz-TRso Windows is just some shitbag to run OTHER company's waresMar 28 06:08
schestowitz-TRlike autocadMar 28 06:08
mateyyou can actually use the environment i learned to code on https://archive.org/details/gwbasic.exeMar 28 06:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.org | Programming Language: gwbasic.exe : Microsoft : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet ArchiveMar 28 06:09
DaemonFCRight, Microsoft doesn't gamble with this too much. When they give out "licenses" to failed hardware, they lose nothing when it flops.Mar 28 06:09
DaemonFCThey get other companies to die for them.Mar 28 06:09
AdmFubarm$'s killer apps are viruses, ransomware, malware, spyware...Mar 28 06:09
mateygranted that gwbasic, i used basica (basica-lly the same thing)Mar 28 06:09
schestowitz-TRpeople do not need latest Office AND.... even MICROSOFT steers people towards clownMar 28 06:09
mateyhttps://archive.org/details/gwbasic.exe <- runs online in an emulatorMar 28 06:10
schestowitz-TRso you could just do Gulag Apps/Docs/Work/Suite (whetever they call it today)Mar 28 06:10
schestowitz-TRor use libreoffice and send it to the prointerMar 28 06:10
schestowitz-TRrussia invested in libreofficeMar 28 06:10
schestowitz-TRlike matey said, I think inside threats are the potent ones nowMar 28 06:11
schestowitz-TRlike seeding discord in communitiesMar 28 06:11
schestowitz-TRto crush or slow down Linux developers, GNU devs etc.Mar 28 06:11
schestowitz-TRlowering moraleMar 28 06:11
schestowitz-TRAzure was a failureMar 28 06:11
schestowitz-TRthe goal was to 'replace' AWSMar 28 06:12
mateyhttps://ia802601.us.archive.org/view_archive.php?archive=/20/items/gwbasic.exe/gwbasic.exe.zip <- here is the actual program that runs on dosbox Mar 28 06:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ia802601.us.archive.org | Internet Archive: View ArchiveMar 28 06:12
schestowitz-TRnot even with bribes did they pull it offMar 28 06:12
schestowitz-TRGulag still loses BILLIONS on its clown stuffMar 28 06:12
schestowitz-TRand Gulag fired a lot of stuff that worked on itMar 28 06:12
mateyof course except for historical purposes, this is pretty uselessMar 28 06:12
schestowitz-TRGulag bribed Debian to:Mar 28 06:12
schestowitz-TR1) use Gulag ClownMar 28 06:12
mateythere are free software versions with similar featuresMar 28 06:12
schestowitz-TR2) surrender sociallyMar 28 06:12
schestowitz-TRGitLab bribes lots of projectsMar 28 06:13
schestowitz-TRto become case studies (marketing)Mar 28 06:13
schestowitz-TR'free' enterprise editionMar 28 06:13
schestowitz-TRlike aws 'doling out' the 'free' AWS to nonprofitsMar 28 06:14
schestowitz-TRand now doubling the priceMar 28 06:14
mateyfirst ones freeMar 28 06:14
schestowitz-TRyesMar 28 06:14
schestowitz-TRaws is lockinMar 28 06:14
AdmFubarso it is now twice free?Mar 28 06:14
schestowitz-TRI can tell you because sometimes I deal with it in my full-time jobMar 28 06:14
schestowitz-TRthen even nonprofits are all stockhold syndromeMar 28 06:14
schestowitz-TRand you cannot get them out from the cageMar 28 06:15
schestowitz-TRAdmFubar: I don't know the pertinent detailsMar 28 06:15
AdmFubarbut it is such a pretty gold cage....Mar 28 06:15
schestowitz-TRone client is a charity/journalism re IranMar 28 06:15
DaemonFCSold and shipped by dongguanshisuyingshangmaoyouxiangongsiMar 28 06:15
DaemonFCO_OMar 28 06:15
schestowitz-TRand they sought 'free' AWSMar 28 06:15
schestowitz-TRthis year AWS did the bait-switrch carrot-stick thingMar 28 06:16
schestowitz-TRClownflare will do the sameMar 28 06:16
schestowitz-TRCloudflare is LOSING moneyMar 28 06:16
mateywhere did they stick the carrot?Mar 28 06:16
schestowitz-TRin khumeini Mar 28 06:16
techrights-news"Most servers these days have an IPMI, including more or less all of ours. One of the standard IPMI functions is a 'system event log'" https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/sysadmin/IPMIClocksDriftMar 28 06:18
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-utcc.utoronto.ca | Chris's Wiki :: blog/sysadmin/IPMIClocksDriftMar 28 06:18
techrights-news"smart speakers" = microphones that transmit or spy https://ubuntu.com//blog/the-evolution-of-the-smart-home-current-trends-part-2Mar 28 06:19
-altlink_63e/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: ubuntu.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://ubuntu.com//blog/the-evolution-of-the-smart-home-current-trends-part-2Mar 28 06:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Evolution of the Smart Home: Current Trends [Part 2] | UbuntuMar 28 06:19
techrights-news"Let’s take a look back at the journey of smart home technology, uncover some of the trends in this industry’s development, and take stock of where we are now." https://ubuntu.com//blog/the-evolution-of-the-smart-home-how-it-started-part-1Mar 28 06:20
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Evolution of the Smart Home: How it Started [Part 1] | UbuntuMar 28 06:20
mateyone thing i dont understand about sr.ht isMar 28 06:21
mateynote there are non-profit-run reposMar 28 06:21
mateyso sr.ht charges moneyMar 28 06:22
mateythen you put your stuff thereMar 28 06:22
mateythen someone gets hit by a busMar 28 06:22
mateytheir assets go to someone elseMar 28 06:22
mateysr.ht stops getting paidMar 28 06:22
mateythen whatMar 28 06:22
mateymaybe they just stop allowing write access and keep it online, i dont knowMar 28 06:23
techrights-news"Open source apps offer Android users excellent alternatives to their mainstream competitors." https://www.androidpolice.com/best-free-open-source-apps-for-android/Mar 28 06:23
-altlink_63e/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: androidpolice.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.androidpolice.com/best-free-open-source-apps-for-android/Mar 28 06:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidpolice.com | Our favorite open source apps for AndroidMar 28 06:23
techrights-newsWhy Does Linux Have So Many Distributions? Linux Distros Explained • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163056Mar 28 06:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Why Does Linux Have So Many Distributions? Linux Distros Explained | Tux MachinesMar 28 06:23
techrights-newsThose who sympathise with Microsoft (ZemlinPAC, OSI etc.) are in effect abetting crime and corruption. https://itwire.com/government-tech-news/technology-regulation/microsoft-says-employees-sacked,-partnerships-ended-over-bribery-allegations.htmlMar 28 06:24
-altlink_63e/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: itwire.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://itwire.com/government-tech-news/technology-regulation/microsoft-says-employees-sacked,-partnerships-ended-over-bribery-allegations.htmlMar 28 06:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iTWire - Microsoft says employees sacked, partnerships ended over bribery allegationsMar 28 06:24
mateyxWant to host your own projects here?Mar 28 06:26
mateyProjects hosted on sourcehut are expected to pay for their account. Financial aid is available for those in need. You can cancel at any time without losing access to your data.Mar 28 06:26
mateyso that sort of answers it.Mar 28 06:26
techrights-newsICBM: genocide for profit https://besacenter.org/ibm-holocaust/Mar 28 06:27
-altlink_63e/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: besacenter.org | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://besacenter.org/ibm-holocaust/Mar 28 06:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-besacenter.org | IBM and the HolocaustMar 28 06:27
techrights-newsAkin to ethnic cleansing by Putler https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/ukraine-says-moscow-is-forcibly-moving-civilians-to-russiaMar 28 06:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pbs.org | Ukraine says Moscow is forcibly moving civilians to Russia | PBS NewsHourMar 28 06:27
DaemonFCGenocide as a ServiceMar 28 06:27
DaemonFCGaaSMar 28 06:27
schestowitz-TRMicrosoft NaaSMar 28 06:28
schestowitz-TRSaaS: Sureveillance ServicesMar 28 06:28
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2021/04/04/microsoft-nationalism/Mar 28 06:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft: Nationalism As A Service (NaaS) | TechrightsMar 28 06:28
mateytheir pricing page is a bit shitMar 28 06:28
mateyi cant get it to explain the details, it keeps reloadingMar 28 06:28
mateyjust put it in a table, its not hardMar 28 06:29
mateyresponsive js fuckery-- at least it says its alphaMar 28 06:29
DaemonFChttps://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/u-s-jobless-claims-hit-lowest-level-in-over-50-yearsMar 28 06:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pbs.org | U.S. jobless claims hit lowest level in over 50 years | PBS NewsHourMar 28 06:29
DaemonFCPBS Bullshit as a ServiceMar 28 06:29
DaemonFCFunded by viewers like BillMar 28 06:29
techrights-newsSame old shit in "HEY HI" clothing https://www.forbes.com/sites/robtoews/2022/03/27/a-wave-of-billion-dollar-language-ai-startups-is-coming/Mar 28 06:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.forbes.com | A Wave Of Billion-Dollar Language AI Startups Is ComingMar 28 06:29
mateypractically bills stationMar 28 06:29
mateyformerly "practically british station"Mar 28 06:30
DaemonFC"Jobless claims fell by 28,000 to 187,000 for the week ending March 19, the lowest since September of 1969, the Labor Department reported Thursday. First-time applications for jobless aid generally track the pace of layoffs."Mar 28 06:30
mateythey used to run upstairs downstairs Mar 28 06:30
DaemonFCIt's amazing how that can happen when the Labor Force Participation Rate is the lowest ever.Mar 28 06:30
mateymonty python tooMar 28 06:30
mateybefore bbc americaMar 28 06:30
techrights-newsHitler did the same to Germany (e.g. Godel) https://www.lrt.lt/en/news-in-english/19/1653111/tech-talent-fleeing-russia-for-lithuania-opportunity-or-security-riskMar 28 06:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.lrt.lt | Tech talent fleeing Russia for Lithuania – opportunity or security risk? - LRTMar 28 06:31
DaemonFCschestowitz, The Catholic Church cut mom down to part time and they're threatening to fire people to get their budget crisis under control.Mar 28 06:31
mateyalso owned by billMar 28 06:31
mateyhes not even fucking britishMar 28 06:31
DaemonFCI told her to talk to the unemployment office. They told her they don't help people file unemployment in Indiana anymore.Mar 28 06:31
DaemonFCYou have to call a 1-800 number.Mar 28 06:31
techrights-news"Europe's antitrust chief Margrethe Vestager won backing on Thursday from European Union members and EU lawmakers for her proposal" https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/corporate-news/new-eu-rules-regulating-u-s-tech-giants-likely-to-set-global-standard/90457821Mar 28 06:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com | meta: New EU rules regulating U.S. tech giants likely to set global standard, CIO News, ET CIOMar 28 06:31
DaemonFCShe thought it was funny to "own the libs" or whatever.Mar 28 06:31
DaemonFCYou can still file an unemployment claim in person in Illinois if you have to.Mar 28 06:32
schestowitz-TR[06:26] <matey> Projects hosted on sourcehut are expected to pay for their account. Financial aid is available for those in need. You can cancel at any time without losing access to your data.Mar 28 06:32
schestowitz-TRuntil they shut down the siteMar 28 06:32
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schestowitz-TRlike joindiaspora didMar 28 06:32
DaemonFC"The Federal Reserve launched a high-risk effort last week to tame the worst inflation since the early 1980s, raising its benchmark short-term interest rate and signaling up to six additional rate hikes this year."Mar 28 06:32
DaemonFCWhich doesn't mean shit for working people.Mar 28 06:32
DaemonFCJust slightly raises the cost of taking on debt for share buybacks. Free money is, well, cheap money.Mar 28 06:33
schestowitz-TR[06:30] <DaemonFC> It's amazing how that can happen when the Labor Force Participation Rate is the lowest ever.Mar 28 06:33
DaemonFCSo there's little downside for MICROS~1 and crApple and GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLAG too.Mar 28 06:33
schestowitz-TRyes, ANDMar 28 06:33
schestowitz-TRwomen are now working tooMar 28 06:33
schestowitz-TRso salaries were loweredMar 28 06:33
schestowitz-TRand to keep a home with 3 kids you need TWO workersMar 28 06:33
DaemonFCFeminists, everybody!Mar 28 06:34
schestowitz-TRfor the same salary levelMar 28 06:34
schestowitz-TRLabor Force Participation is what they distract fromMar 28 06:34
DaemonFCIf they had stayed home and taken care of the house and kids, this never would have happened.Mar 28 06:34
mateyso now i understand the pricing plans of sr.htMar 28 06:34
schestowitz-TRCOVID-19 lasted long enough for people to no longer count as "pursuing employment"Mar 28 06:34
mateybasically you pay $2 if that fits what you think is your level of usage (its an honour system)Mar 28 06:34
mateyyou pay 5 for medium levelMar 28 06:34
mateyand 10 for top levelMar 28 06:34
schestowitz-TRthe letters they send out are fruitless, unless they want to clean toilets (that too is being assigned to undocumented workers, paid less and more docile)Mar 28 06:34
mateythey all have the same features.Mar 28 06:35
DaemonFCFeminism is the worst thing to ever happen to this country.Mar 28 06:35
matey Feminism is the worst thing to ever happen to this country. <- nopeMar 28 06:35
DaemonFCA lot of people don't think women are capable of fucking shit up.Mar 28 06:36
DaemonFCCheck out Mozilla.Mar 28 06:36
mateyjust like religion is harmless without fundamentalism, feminism is harmless without opportunism and ultra-leftismMar 28 06:36
DaemonFCEven the Klan eventually went away.Mar 28 06:36
DaemonFCSo the feminists are worse than the Klan.Mar 28 06:36
mateyopportunism and ultra-leftism are the real problem. feminism is just the horse they ride in on.Mar 28 06:36
DaemonFCFeminism and globalization really fucked shit up.Mar 28 06:37
schestowitz-TRit's not a "Feminism" problemMar 28 06:37
schestowitz-TRit's a capitalism problemMar 28 06:37
schestowitz-TRand how capitalists distorted itMar 28 06:37
schestowitz-TRlike they do everythingMar 28 06:37
schestowitz-TRFeminism is goodMar 28 06:37
schestowitz-TRexploiting women is notMar 28 06:37
schestowitz-TRlike I said in yesterday's long videoMar 28 06:38
DaemonFCFeminism is part of what enabled the jobs shortage and the salary cuts.Mar 28 06:38
schestowitz-TRnow they use "Feminism" as a schtick to get more patentsMar 28 06:38
schestowitz-TRmore lawsuitsMar 28 06:38
schestowitz-TRmore chaosMar 28 06:38
DaemonFCBackstabbing like NAFTA did the rest.Mar 28 06:38
schestowitz-TRand you end up now with things like onlyfansMar 28 06:38
mateynafta should have been called the american union Mar 28 06:38
schestowitz-TRand similar shitMar 28 06:39
schestowitz-TRor people who sell their body instead of paying rentMar 28 06:39
DaemonFC"OnlyFans"Mar 28 06:39
schestowitz-TRor young girls becoming "plane bros" ofm  Jeff and BillMar 28 06:39
mateyit extended all the way to central america (but not at the same time)Mar 28 06:39
schestowitz-TRFrom the Bill and Lolita Gates FoundationMar 28 06:39
mateycafta was separate from naftaMar 28 06:39
DaemonFCYes, OnlyFans is what young people are turning to because it pays better than fucking McDonalds.Mar 28 06:39
DaemonFCEspecially since there's no need to buy a car and burn gas.Mar 28 06:40
mateybut only legally, not geographically (it was still an agreement with the usa)Mar 28 06:40
techrights-news"Although exceedingly rare, some public libraries in Utah have also noticed an increase in book challenges" https://www.ksl.com/article/50375904/schools-have-become-the-latest-culture-war-battleground-are-public-libraries-nextMar 28 06:40
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matey/me thinks someone at mcdonalds should start an onlyfansMar 28 06:40
techrights-news"Alec Muffet, an ex-Facebook developer who is responsible for writing code that has enabled major websites such as Facebook" https://inews.co.uk/news/technology/bbc-dark-web-russia-censorship-putin-1534974Mar 28 06:40
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-inews.co.uk | BBC turns to dark web and shortwave radio to bring outside news to Russian people amid wartime crackdownMar 28 06:41
*schestowitz-TR does not know how onlyfans work, never saw itMar 28 06:41
matey/me is only vaguely familiarMar 28 06:41
schestowitz-TRDaemonFC: is there something inherently there about selling sex?Mar 28 06:41
schestowitz-TRor is it just being relegated to that?Mar 28 06:42
mateyprobably bothMar 28 06:42
matey/me checks if webcomics use itMar 28 06:42
schestowitz-TRfrom what I understand, I only read some articles, it is a siteMar 28 06:42
schestowitz-TRmaybe also an "app"Mar 28 06:42
mateyOnlyFans is an internet content subscription service based in London. <- hahaMar 28 06:43
schestowitz-TRand some people upload "racy" things thereMar 28 06:43
mateyi dont think its only about adult contentMar 28 06:43
schestowitz-TRand get paid for itMar 28 06:43
mateyfor example there are youtubers who offer racier content on onlyfansMar 28 06:43
schestowitz-TRthe media seems to only mention it in relation to "adult content"Mar 28 06:43
mateybut i dont think thats the entire model (in other words its not just "go to my onlyfans to see my without my top")Mar 28 06:43
schestowitz-TRso has it become like soft porn/erotica site?Mar 28 06:44
mateynoMar 28 06:44
schestowitz-TRlike a shadow youtube but midway to porntube?Mar 28 06:44
mateynoMar 28 06:44
mateyheres a non-racy usage: you subscribe to a youtube channelMar 28 06:44
mateyit would have to be a really amazing channelMar 28 06:44
mateyhten you go to onlyfans and supporters get access to "making of" videosMar 28 06:45
mateyand everyone is entirely clothedMar 28 06:45
mateyso basically similar to patreonMar 28 06:45
techrights-news"Since the Taliban’s blitz takeover of Afghanistan six months ago, the songs have gone silent in the historic musicians’ quarter of Kabul." https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2022/03/24/2003775385Mar 28 06:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.taipeitimes.com | Afghan capital’s historic musicians’ quarter turns silent - Taipei TimesMar 28 06:45
mateybut since they allow age-restricted content, you could in theory see the entire cast running around nudeMar 28 06:45
mateyit depends what their goals are Mar 28 06:45
mateyid compare it to reddit before porntubeMar 28 06:46
schestowitz-TRmy dad is very upset about those thingsMar 28 06:46
mateysince reddit had loads of nude / naughty stuff but also just pages of crap about "linux"Mar 28 06:46
schestowitz-TRhe says, now people use "apps" for sexMar 28 06:46
schestowitz-TRhe explains that "back in his days"Mar 28 06:46
mateythey made the same argument against carsMar 28 06:46
schestowitz-TRpeople would date many times before even kissingMar 28 06:46
schestowitz-TRlet alone sexMar 28 06:46
mateywhen motorcars started to become mainstreamMar 28 06:47
schestowitz-TRnow people get "apps" and just hook up like it's a virtual brothelMar 28 06:47
mateypeople said they would become "houses of prostitution on wheels"Mar 28 06:47
mateybecause its like your own little hotel you can just drive and park anywhereMar 28 06:47
mateyand indeed, people use cars that way.Mar 28 06:47
schestowitz-TRbut waiutMar 28 06:47
schestowitz-TRthe equiv here would be blaming "the internet"Mar 28 06:47
schestowitz-TRor "phones"Mar 28 06:47
mateysureMar 28 06:47
DaemonFC<schestowitz-TR> or is it just being relegated to that?Mar 28 06:48
mateythe internet is for porn-- theres even a songMar 28 06:48
schestowitz-TRwhat we talk of now is a particular site/platformMar 28 06:48
schestowitz-TRor "sex-finding apps"Mar 28 06:48
DaemonFCWell, when you say OnlyFans, everyone knows you mean porn.Mar 28 06:48
DaemonFCSo when they said they were going to get rid of porn, then reversed themselves, it led to confusion.Mar 28 06:48
mateythe mighty forbes! https://www.forbes.com/sites/julieruvolo/2011/05/20/the-internet-is-for-porn-so-lets-talk-about-it/Mar 28 06:48
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.forbes.com | The Internet Is For Porn (So Let's Talk About It)Mar 28 06:48
schestowitz-TRthe internet should NOT be for pr0nMar 28 06:48
matey(yes im actually that julian whatever his name is from forbes. also i run theverge, surprise)Mar 28 06:49
schestowitz-TRinternet is for surveillanceMar 28 06:49
schestowitz-TRpr0n should be offlineMar 28 06:49
mateythe problem with offline porn is the pages are all stuck togetherMar 28 06:49
schestowitz-TRnow you have people going to sex shops (never bought nothing in such stores...) and pay with apps and cardsMar 28 06:49
mateybut seriously, people enjoy producing their own, so thats onlineMar 28 06:49
DaemonFC<schestowitz-TR> he says, now people use "apps" for sexMar 28 06:49
mateyeven on redditMar 28 06:50
DaemonFCI was probably one of the first Grindr users.Mar 28 06:50
DaemonFCIn 2009.Mar 28 06:50
schestowitz-TRStephen Fry-approvedMar 28 06:50
DaemonFCBut back to about 2001, I met people from various places on the web.Mar 28 06:50
DaemonFCYahoo was a good place to go looking.Mar 28 06:50
mateygrindr is definitely the sort of thing where youd want to be one of the early usersMar 28 06:50
DaemonFCThere were chatrooms.Mar 28 06:50
mateynot a late adopter wo doesnt know where its beenMar 28 06:50
DaemonFCOne was called Indiana M4M.Mar 28 06:51
schestowitz-TRI never had sex with someone I met onlineMar 28 06:51
DaemonFCPeople would literally just say like "19 M Muncie".Mar 28 06:51
DaemonFCThen if someone was nearby, then they might private message you.Mar 28 06:51
matey"you had me at '19 m'"Mar 28 06:51
DaemonFCI guess I was just lucky that nothing really bad ever happened.Mar 28 06:52
DaemonFCThere are a lot of weirdos out there.Mar 28 06:52
mateyits funny, i feel the same way about sex apps as your dad, for completely the opposite reasonMar 28 06:52
mateyit doesnt bother me that people use them for sexMar 28 06:52
mateyit bothers me that google is involved!Mar 28 06:52
schestowitz-TRhis concern goes further than thisMar 28 06:52
DaemonFCOh there's a lot more than Goolag involved with Grindr.Mar 28 06:53
schestowitz-TRnever mind STDs and moral issuesMar 28 06:53
mateyive met people online, but ive never used an app for itMar 28 06:53
DaemonFCIt has a million trackers.Mar 28 06:53
mateybecause if i need to buy a smartphone to get laid theres something wrong with the worldMar 28 06:53
mateyi dont need google in my love liveMar 28 06:53
schestowitz-TRno, let's look at this differnetlyMar 28 06:53
schestowitz-TRif you can "know" a person based on something on a screenMar 28 06:53
DaemonFCMy batting average for that was about 0.5% on the STI front but it was easily dealt with.Mar 28 06:53
schestowitz-TRmore so a tiny little phoneMar 28 06:53
DaemonFCWhen I was 19.Mar 28 06:53
mateygoogle! set me up with a hot dateMar 28 06:54
schestowitz-TRthen you are wasting your timeMar 28 06:54
DaemonFCOut of a couple hundred, I guess that's not as bad as what could have happened.Mar 28 06:54
mateypeople have started marriages and families based solely on pen and paperMar 28 06:54
mateythe idea that a screen cant convey that is hooeyMar 28 06:54
schestowitz-TRright, but those can be the exceptionMar 28 06:54
mateymore often the screen is just a gateway to meeting people in person Mar 28 06:55
mateyits not like the marriage is officiated by an app (yet anyway)Mar 28 06:55
schestowitz-TRin the 1990s if you married something you met "online" it was a "big deal"Mar 28 06:55
DaemonFCMany of the people from apps don't want to trade names.Mar 28 06:55
mateyright but thats sketchy sex with strangersMar 28 06:55
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mateyand its not like i think it should be illegal, i just dont relate to itMar 28 06:56
mateyive lived in some VERY predominantly gay placesMar 28 06:56
mateyi get it. Mar 28 06:56
mateythere was a place down the street for that sort of thingMar 28 06:56
DaemonFCLogan's Run predicted Grindr.Mar 28 06:56
schestowitz-TRsome people want sex so badlyMar 28 06:56
mateyand im not trying to pin it just on gays, these days its increasinly popular Mar 28 06:57
schestowitz-TRmaybe media contributes to thatMar 28 06:57
DaemonFCRemember him getting on that thing that showed you people wanting sex and it would beam them to your apartment?Mar 28 06:57
mateyamong every demographicMar 28 06:57
matey/me never saw logans run eitherMar 28 06:57
DaemonFCIt was pretty good as a cult scifi movie from the 70s.Mar 28 06:57
mateyyeah ive seen a clip or twoMar 28 06:57
mateybut i dont think that countsMar 28 06:57
mateyi thought they made it into a television seriesMar 28 06:58
techrights-news"Russian armed forces have been bullying and threatening journalists and local media" https://rsf.org/en/news/russians-use-abduction-hostage-taking-threaten-ukrainian-journalists-occupied-zonesMar 28 06:59
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techrights-news"During his career spanning over half a century, Engin worked for and managed several newspapers and magazines." https://bianet.org/english/media/259579-prominent-journalist-aydin-engin-passes-away-at-81Mar 28 06:59
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bianet.org | Prominent journalist Aydın Engin passes away at 81 - englishMar 28 06:59
AdmFubarit was a seriesMar 28 07:01
techrights-news"When I was working at AWS, around 2017 we started getting excited pitches from companies who wanted to be part of the 5G build-out, saying that obviously there’d be lots of opportunities for public-cloud providers. But I never walked away convinced." https://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/202x/2022/03/26/Is-5G-BSMar 28 07:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tbray.org | ongoing by Tim Bray · 5G SkepticMar 28 07:01
mateybad news for sr.ht "After eight weeks, your case will be manually reviewed. We may choose to provide you with a complete export of your data and close your account. Note that this data export can be re-imported into sr.ht again should you choose to register for another account, or can be taken to a third-party instance, with little to no information loss."Mar 28 07:03
DaemonFC<matey> i thought they made it into a television seriesMar 28 07:03
mateyso they actually will remove repos for non-paymentMar 28 07:03
DaemonFCOne season and cancelled.Mar 28 07:03
mateybut only after the alphaMar 28 07:03
techrights-newsMicrosoft is crime. Synonyms. Microsoft? CRIME. "Qatar’s Ministry of Education was paying $9.5 million annually over seven years for Microsoft Office and Windows licenses that they couldn't use because they didn't even have computers" http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-260322.html#tMar%2026%2020:53:37Mar 28 07:04
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mateyi think this is a bad idea. they should continue to host, and just remove write access to everyone.Mar 28 07:04
DaemonFC"Your data can be regained, more or less." -Clown HostingMar 28 07:04
mateythen theyre a solid reliable repo, and theres PLENTY of incentive for people to keep funding itMar 28 07:04
schestowitz-TRthere's a sayingMar 28 07:05
schestowitz-TRlike, "take care of yourself"Mar 28 07:05
schestowitz-TR"nobody will take care of you'Mar 28 07:05
schestowitz-TRthat is more so applicable with "clown"Mar 28 07:05
mateytrying to make the internet into a library isnt a stupid ideaMar 28 07:05
schestowitz-TRdid Lukas keep running JoinDiaspora? No. He's not our sysadmin care giverMar 28 07:05
schestowitz-TRhe no longer gavea shit and I cannot blame itMar 28 07:05
schestowitz-TRhe was basically like a volunteer acting as a host for about 600 active usersMar 28 07:06
mateyhe should have just archived itMar 28 07:06
mateyit was possible to do without keeping the site onlineMar 28 07:06
schestowitz-TRsome people mentioned thatMar 28 07:06
schestowitz-TRthe counterpoint wasMar 28 07:06
mateythere are archivists who specialise in this Mar 28 07:06
schestowitz-TRit's a problem for legal reasonsMar 28 07:07
mateyyeah copyrightMar 28 07:07
schestowitz-TRlike account deletion and takedown requestsMar 28 07:07
mateyi complained a decade ago that they should have cc licenses on posts (as an option) Mar 28 07:07
mateyso that at least they could archive whatever was cc licensedMar 28 07:07
mateybut nooooooooooMar 28 07:07
techrights-newsNebraska Rep. Fortenberry says he will resign following conviction for lying to FBI ⚓ https://text.npr.org/1089034831 ䷉ Source: BillPRMar 28 07:08
mateythe problem with forward thinking is you have to wait for everyone else to catch upMar 28 07:08
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-text.npr.org | Nebraska Rep. Fortenberry says he will resign following conviction for lying to FBIMar 28 07:08
mateyand then join diaspora cant be archivedMar 28 07:08
mateywell i think i actually told them soMar 28 07:08
techrights-newsold: microsoft windows tco https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fi&tl=en&u=https://www.iltalehti.fi/talous/a/200808070094136Mar 28 07:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www-iltalehti-fi.translate.goog | Sampo Pankki menettänyt kymmeniä tuhansia asiakkaitaMar 28 07:08
mateymaybe rms can explain how fair use helps hereMar 28 07:08
mateywait, it fucking doesnt, its uselessMar 28 07:08
mateythough to be fair, this is one situation where even no-derivs would be better than nothingMar 28 07:09
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techrights-newsThe Real Cost of a Magical Education ⚓ https://reason.com/2022/03/26/the-real-cost-of-a-magical-education/ ䷉ Source: reasonMar 28 07:11
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mateyfunnily enough the first time i was quoted in techrights was more than 10 years agoMar 28 07:11
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schestowitz-TRmatey: under what name was it?Mar 28 07:14
schestowitz-TRor the context?Mar 28 07:14
schestowitz-TRi saw the wordpress.com blog no sooner than maybe 2016Mar 28 07:14
techrights-newsTrump may need to look up the definition of "smart" | Salon.com ⚓ https://www.salon.com/2022/03/27/may-need-to-look-up-the-definition-of-smart/ ䷉ Source: salonMar 28 07:16
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matey<schestowitz-TR> matey: under what name was it? <- ive shown the quote to other peopleMar 28 07:17
techrights-news"In the first six months of 2021, YouTube processed four million automated Content ID claims every day but sometimes the involvement of a human being is the only way to tackle copyright disputes." https://torrentfreak.com/youtube-needs-a-copyright-specialist-to-handle-high-risk-takedowns-220327/Mar 28 07:17
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mateyyou might be able to find itMar 28 07:17
mateywithout joindiaspora being up anymore, its unlikely to be possible it was me anywayMar 28 07:18
mateyto prove Mar 28 07:18
mateynonetheless, i was thereMar 28 07:18
mateythe context was free software related of courseMar 28 07:19
mateyyes thats vagueMar 28 07:19
mateythen i stopped paying attention for while, got distracted with other things (like debian)Mar 28 07:20
matey(before systemd)Mar 28 07:20
mateystarted giving away computers with debian on themMar 28 07:21
techrights-newsThey'd kill people before they let this pass https://truthout.org/articles/billionaires-would-pay-nearly-100-times-more-in-taxes-under-new-biden-proposal/Mar 28 07:21
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Billionaires Would Pay Nearly 100 Times More in Taxes Under New Biden ProposalMar 28 07:21
mateyrunning several debian machines at a nonprofitMar 28 07:21
mateyid login from my smartphone and run updates using aptitude over sshMar 28 07:22
techrights-newsLack of money? Yes. The military wants MOAR. 330,000,000 USians are 'collaterals' https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/03/27/770-billion-military-poisoned-water-military-familiesMar 28 07:22
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | $770 Billion For the Military—Poisoned Water for Military Families | Liz WaltersMar 28 07:22
mateyover the wifi (no open ports on the router)Mar 28 07:23
techrights-newsA million deaths later the regimes stopped caring about lives https://truthout.org/articles/the-pandemic-isnt-over-yet-but-congress-is-willing-to-gamble-that-it-is/Mar 28 07:24
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | The Pandemic Isn’t Over Yet, But Congress Is Willing to Gamble That It IsMar 28 07:24
mateypeople would be using the machines for web access while updates were runningMar 28 07:24
mateythe machines shut themselves off after hours so no one had to shut them downMar 28 07:25
schestowitz-TRdebian is still the root of so many distrosMar 28 07:25
schestowitz-TRand it's so poorMar 28 07:26
schestowitz-TRSPIMar 28 07:26
schestowitz-TRvery cheap to bribe and disruptMar 28 07:26
mateyits always the people at the top to blameMar 28 07:26
mateyand the people underneath who do so little about itMar 28 07:26
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mateybut its the people who did the bribing and who took the bribes firstMar 28 07:26
mateyonly after that do i blame other people for doing nothingMar 28 07:27
techrights-news"Pinball machines are large, complex, and heavy boxes of joy and delight. However, when you don’t have the money or space for one, you have to make your own mini Raspberry Pi-powered one" https://hackaday.com/2022/03/27/tiny-pinball-is-as-cute-as-pi/Mar 28 07:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Tiny Pinball Is As Cute As Pi | HackadayMar 28 07:27
mateyand doing anything takes a long timeMar 28 07:27
mateyso i understand that tooMar 28 07:27
mateybut people make the dumbest excuses sometimesMar 28 07:27
mateylike its one thing when you dont knowMar 28 07:27
mateyits another when you know, and-- just think of anything to justify doing nothingMar 28 07:28
mateypeople always make excuses at first, thats a givenMar 28 07:28
mateyso its really just the ongoing pattern of excuses i find really stupidMar 28 07:28
mateysort of like dane cook says a girl wont break up with an arsehole bf because "its not that simple, he still has my cds in his truck"Mar 28 07:29
mateybut then thats stockholm syndromeMar 28 07:30
mateyso you forgive people for that because its human and they cant help itMar 28 07:30
mateyand whats leftover after all these exceptions are the opportunists, liars and people who arent DIRECTLY responsible, but are just as bad as the ones who areMar 28 07:31
mateythe people who just want to be on the side thats "winning"Mar 28 07:31
mateythe people who only care if it helps them win an argumentMar 28 07:31
mateyin other words, dicksMar 28 07:31
mateyand as microsoft demonstrates, dicks (not just men, women can be dicks too) are a huge part of the tech industryMar 28 07:32
mateyany industry reallyMar 28 07:32
mateydicks ruined debian, theyll get gnu tooMar 28 07:33
mateynot enough people to defend itMar 28 07:34
mateythere are, oddly enough, enough people to rebuild it. seems illogical.Mar 28 07:34
mateybut thats how motivation works.Mar 28 07:34
techrights-newsGenerating Composite Video On ESP32 With LVGL GUI https://hackaday.com/2022/03/27/generating-composite-video-on-esp32-with-lvgl-gui/Mar 28 07:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Generating Composite Video On ESP32 With LVGL GUI | HackadayMar 28 07:35
mateypeople arent motivated to help the fsf fix what they allowed to be taken overMar 28 07:35
mateywhy? just to have the fsf allow it to be taken over again?Mar 28 07:35
mateytheres no motivation thereMar 28 07:35
mateymozilla is a more extreme exampleMar 28 07:37
mateythe only way to fix mozilla is to fork it or build an alternativeMar 28 07:37
mateygemini counts imo (its not THE alternative but its a damned good one)Mar 28 07:37
mateysomething monolithic like mozilla can be replaced with a handful of partial alternatives-- you want it to be partial anywayMar 28 07:38
mateyif it doesnt include pocket or drm thats an upgradeMar 28 07:38
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schestowitz-TRlibrewolf is okMar 28 07:46
techrights-news"One million US deaths from COVID-19. Catatonic politics on climate change. Communities suffocating from environmental injustice." https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/03/27/grim-consequences-sidelining-science-nearly-one-million-us-covid-deaths-and-climateMar 28 07:47
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | The Grim Consequences of Sidelining Science: Nearly One Million US Covid Deaths and the Climate Crisis | Derrick Z. JacksonMar 28 07:47
techrights-news"Climate change is sad. It's frightening. It's demoralizing." https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/03/27/we-battle-ongoing-climate-crisis-we-must-address-mental-health-crisis-its-causingMar 28 07:48
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | As We Battle the Ongoing Climate Crisis, We Must Address the Mental Health Crisis It’s Causing Too | David SuzukiMar 28 07:48
techrights-news"This minimum tax would make sure that the wealthiest Americans no longer pay a tax rate lower than teachers and firefighters." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/27/biden-tax-plan-would-force-top-10-billionaires-alone-pay-215-billion-over-nextMar 28 07:49
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Biden Tax Plan Would Force Top 10 Billionaires Alone to Pay $215 Billion Over Next DecadeMar 28 07:49
techrights-news"after the demise of political figures, their troubling histories are whitewashed in the name of respecting their memories" https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/03/27/im-iraqi-and-i-remember-madeleine-albright-who-she-truly-wasMar 28 07:50
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techrights-news"Democratic (and Republican) Senators found no time to tap into Judge Jackson’s knowledge and analysis of the grave issues regarding the nexus of the power of giant corporations and the Constitution." https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/03/27/amid-disgraceful-questions-judge-jackson-not-one-about-corporate-powerMar 28 07:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | Amid Disgraceful Questions for Judge Jackson Not One About Corporate Power | Ralph NaderMar 28 07:54
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techrights-newsLinks 28/03/2022: Slax 11.3 and Another New Red Hat Manager (From Cisco) | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/03/28/slax-11-3/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/28/slax-11-3/Mar 28 08:04
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techrights-newsToday’s 𝘛𝘶𝘹 𝘔𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴 Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163058Mar 28 08:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux MachinesMar 28 08:09
techrights-news9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: March 27th, 2022 • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163059Mar 28 08:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: March 27th, 2022 | Tux MachinesMar 28 08:09
techrights-newsOpen Hardware/Modding/Programming • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163057Mar 28 08:10
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techrights-newsWhat the FORK is this??? "In case you missed EFF's Tweet"... in the NOTIFICATIONS bar in Twitter. So now they're spamming even the NOTIFICATIONS area, not just with ads (usually limited to searches etc.) but "promoted" shite. Twitter needs to die already. It is a propaganda engine.Mar 28 08:15
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schestowitz-TRhi, eyeMar 28 09:26
eyehiMar 28 09:27
eyeeyeMar 28 09:27
schestowitz-TRiiMar 28 09:27
eyewhat you up to?Mar 28 09:28
SomeH4x0rKiwiIRC clownflare :(Mar 28 09:28
SomeH4x0rthe Internet will be ruined and I won't be able to be happy anymore everMar 28 09:29
eyeshould i use mibbit instead?Mar 28 09:30
SomeH4x0ra proper IRC client, not web gatewayMar 28 09:30
SomeH4x0rMibbit isn't behind clownflare afaik thoughMar 28 09:31
SomeH4x0rbut it has ads and maybe other shitMar 28 09:31
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eyeis libera irc using clownflare?Mar 28 09:34
eyefreenode ?Mar 28 09:34
SomeH4x0rIRC protocol is not affected. HTTP isMar 28 09:34
SomeH4x0rnew freenode website is affected. Libera.Chat isn't afaik.Mar 28 09:35
eyecause of dossMar 28 09:35
techrights-newsToday’s #HowTos | #UNIX • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163060Mar 28 09:35
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SomeH4x0r"abuse" is a fake excuse to restrict peopleMar 28 09:35
SomeH4x0rDDoS attacks are not persistent, they happen once a whileMar 28 09:36
eyethats i see on some sitesMar 28 09:39
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bnchshow do you destroy a software companyMar 28 11:59
bnchshire tons of low-salary indiansMar 28 11:59
psydruidlike IBM or Microsoft?Mar 28 12:29
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mateyhttps://www.gnu.org/software/gnump3d/Mar 28 12:49
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mateyobviously this is a gnu developed and cares about free software and liberating usersMar 28 12:50
mateydeveloper ^Mar 28 12:50
mateyif you go to his github profile, updated just yesterday, you can see hes in this for the users:Mar 28 12:51
matey"I believe in the value of Open Source software, and run Linux upon all the systems I control."Mar 28 12:51
mateygreat!Mar 28 12:51
mateyof course you might think im trying to single out or pick on poor steve. its not about steve at all. Mar 28 12:52
mateythis is about the reality of gnu. ive heard its a cult!Mar 28 12:52
mateyand my answer to that is "yes, its a cult of corporate takeover"Mar 28 12:52
mateyyou cant expect every gnu developer to be "ideologically pure" and really, its just as well that they DONT take oaths, etc. (although libreplanet demands you do-- and then they open sourcify everything and call it "free software")Mar 28 12:53
mateybut if youre looking for the gnu developers who actually stand for anything, wellMar 28 12:53
mateysteve isnt the droid we are looking for. Mar 28 12:54
mateythe point isnt steve-- the point is, where are these brave people who the fsf says are "fighting for our freedom"Mar 28 12:54
mateyi dont know, maybe steve knows. perhaps hes talked to one of them. after all, hes a gnu developer.Mar 28 12:54
mateyi consider leah a gnu developer incidentally. i mean thats not officially true anymore (perhaps on either side of it-- i think even leah would dispute it)Mar 28 12:55
mateybut at any rate, leah WAS a gnu developer, and still holds some values i consider-- well, liberatingMar 28 12:55
mateyTHATS a gnu developerMar 28 12:55
mateykingoffrance could (rightly so) just pull out something about "scotsmen" and be done with itMar 28 12:56
mateyfor whatever reason, i still think theres a point to be made here. one that people can understand.Mar 28 12:56
mateyi know it will become clearer over time, as it has for the past 7 years.Mar 28 12:56
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techrights-newsThe Latest ’Engagement’ Spam From Twitter (ICYMI SPAM): Putting Junk in the Notifications Area, Too | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/03/28/spam-in-the-notifications-bar-in-twitter/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/28/spam-in-the-notifications-bar-in-twitter/Mar 28 12:59
mateyim not looking for a group of gnu developers to throw stones at for not being "gnu enough" though its easy enough to see it that wayMar 28 12:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Latest ‘Engagement’ Spam From Twitter (ICYMI SPAM): Putting Junk in the Notifications Area, Too | TechrightsMar 28 12:59
mateyim looking for the ones that actually stand for something.Mar 28 12:59
mateysince theyre not easy to spot (ive even checked the pro-rms list for them, and talked to some of those) its simply a process of eliminationMar 28 13:00
mateyat this point gnu might be more fiction than fact. but i believe it was real (by default) at one point.Mar 28 13:00
schestowitz-TRGNU is a brandMar 28 13:01
mateyit started to crumble 7 years ago at the latest. before that, im not sure-- ive certainly tried to figure out if it did before that (like in 2011)Mar 28 13:01
schestowitz-TRbut it stands for uncompromisingMar 28 13:01
mateyno, gnu isnt even a brand anymoreMar 28 13:01
schestowitz-TRand rather simple, not vendor lockinMar 28 13:01
schestowitz-TRit has also been around for veryMar 28 13:02
schestowitz-TRvery, longMar 28 13:02
schestowitz-TRso you're assume it's safe to put that in your pipelineMar 28 13:02
mateythis is more about whether the code is safeMar 28 13:02
mateybut for example, part of gnu wget is developed on githubMar 28 13:02
schestowitz-TRits diretionMar 28 13:02
schestowitz-TRcompare wordpressMar 28 13:02
schestowitz-TRto mediagoblinMar 28 13:02
mateythe direction is badMar 28 13:02
schestowitz-TRwordpress adopts tons of JSMar 28 13:03
mateythe direction of the web is badMar 28 13:03
mateythe direction of wordpress is useless bloatMar 28 13:03
schestowitz-TRand it's not run by "UX" hyipstersMar 28 13:03
mateyexactlyMar 28 13:03
mateytheyre not doing this for the users, the users are complaining bitterly-- users who were happy for years (decades)Mar 28 13:03
schestowitz-TRbtwMar 28 13:04
mateytheyre chasing fadsMar 28 13:04
schestowitz-TRwith guternberg in wordpressMar 28 13:04
schestowitz-TRI heard the original interface lead resignedMar 28 13:04
schestowitz-TRwasn't happy with what they had doneMar 28 13:04
mateyi would have done the sameMar 28 13:04
schestowitz-TRthat's principlesMar 28 13:04
mateyresigning isnt always the best option, but when you try to save something and its not working, leaving is a valid optionMar 28 13:04
schestowitz-TRthe systemdfree blog was very unhappy with wordpress.com imposing this UIMar 28 13:05
schestowitz-TRyet keeps on the same platform for nowMar 28 13:05
schestowitz-TRit's not even compatible with many browsersMar 28 13:05
mateyyeah hes been complaining for yearsMar 28 13:05
schestowitz-TRyet outsourcing the blogMar 28 13:05
schestowitz-TRto a companyMar 28 13:05
mateyhe did some useful research on things like dbusMar 28 13:05
schestowitz-TRthat controls also the domainMar 28 13:05
schestowitz-TRhe didn't get his own domainMar 28 13:05
mateysure but wordpress.COM users are guinea pigs for new bullshitMar 28 13:06
mateyand he knows thatMar 28 13:06
schestowitz-TRso if they shut down the web site or suspend his account, it's back to square oneMar 28 13:06
schestowitz-TRwordpress.com and blogspot.com allow you to have your own domainMar 28 13:06
mateysureMar 28 13:06
schestowitz-TRI was one of the first users and a tester thereMar 28 13:06
schestowitz-TRmaybe first 10 usersMar 28 13:06
schestowitz-TRemailed matt personally to set me up a test accountMar 28 13:07
mateythe ((?)) in wordpress reminded me so much of the infamous cashew in kde 4Mar 28 13:07
mateyit was even more annoyingMar 28 13:07
mateyi was certainly there before ((?)) was addedMar 28 13:07
mateydepending on screen resolution you had to scroll around it just to use wp for reading a blogMar 28 13:08
mateyjust for reading itMar 28 13:08
mateyso paragraph wise it could technically waste an entire inch of reading areaMar 28 13:08
schestowitz-TRyou had a blog there tooMar 28 13:08
schestowitz-TRiirc, before guterbergMar 28 13:08
schestowitz-TRI cannot stand the sight of that GUIMar 28 13:08
mateyits pukeMar 28 13:08
schestowitz-TRiirc, it force you to do title firstMar 28 13:09
schestowitz-TRwriters choose title LASTMar 28 13:09
schestowitz-TRnot firstMar 28 13:09
schestowitz-TRit's a dictator's UIMar 28 13:09
schestowitz-TRtrying to tell me how to type, where, whenMar 28 13:09
mateyits tehe systemdickification of wordpressMar 28 13:09
mateywhich again, kde did before debian didMar 28 13:09
mateyno one cared about systemd before it became mandatory (except mincer)Mar 28 13:10
schestowitz-TRi write my blog posts in kate (used write until 2005), inserting it into the old UI is OK, quite fast,Mar 28 13:10
matey(because hes fucking smart)Mar 28 13:10
mateykates not a bad editorMar 28 13:10
mateyif it wasnt kde-based im sure i would say it was qualityMar 28 13:11
schestowitz-TRit's great evenMar 28 13:11
schestowitz-TRI tried many othersMar 28 13:11
mateyi dont like tabbed editors personallyMar 28 13:11
mateytheres a lot to be said in favour of them, its a personal preferenceMar 28 13:11
mateyi prefer to have one window for each bufferMar 28 13:11
mateyand the smallest footprint editor possibleMar 28 13:12
mateybut geany for example-- lets you do search and replace across every tab!Mar 28 13:12
mateywhich is pretty awesomeMar 28 13:12
mateyso i can see the point in thatMar 28 13:12
mateykate may have that too, i never tried itMar 28 13:12
mateykate is not githubMar 28 13:12
mateyafaikMar 28 13:12
mateybeing kde means probably not ghMar 28 13:13
mateyi loved kde until 4 came out. i dont want a desktop that fails if you dont have gfx acceleration Mar 28 13:13
mateyor for whatever reason plasma always failed on me. obviously you dont need plasma to run kateMar 28 13:13
mateyi didnt like being a second-class citizen on kde 4Mar 28 13:13
mateyalso aseigo signed the anti-rms letterMar 28 13:14
mateynot the fault of everyone else who develops itMar 28 13:14
mateyhes a dick soMar 28 13:14
mateylet me check if it was seigo, not someone newerMar 28 13:15
mateyseiego did the cashew shit, i think the newer lead is the one who signedMar 28 13:15
mateyi wonder what ettrich is up to these daysMar 28 13:16
*schestowitz-TR backMar 28 13:16
schestowitz-TRkde uses invent.kde.orgMar 28 13:16
schestowitz-TRwhich iirc is gitlabMar 28 13:17
schestowitz-TRasseigo seemed unlikely a signerMar 28 13:17
schestowitz-TRso when you mention him I thought, o'rly?Mar 28 13:17
schestowitz-TRnate graham?Mar 28 13:17
schestowitz-TRhe's a former apple fanMar 28 13:18
schestowitz-TRit's a VERY useless thing to signMar 28 13:18
schestowitz-TRNOTHIGN to gainMar 28 13:18
schestowitz-TRfirst it is FLASEMar 28 13:18
schestowitz-TRsecond, it's a statement of hateMar 28 13:18
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schestowitz-TRso it's like sayingMar 28 13:18
schestowitz-TR"I don't care about facts"Mar 28 13:19
schestowitz-TR"and second, fuck this old man on the spectrum"Mar 28 13:19
mateyfuck its difficult to find info on the kde teamMar 28 13:19
mateyjust to be clear, seigo isnt the lead anymore and DID NOT signMar 28 13:20
schestowitz-TRthere are twitter accounts I sawMar 28 13:20
schestowitz-TRconnected to the troll hereMar 28 13:20
schestowitz-TRwhich sayMar 28 13:20
schestowitz-TRscrew old peopleMar 28 13:20
schestowitz-TResp. white and maleMar 28 13:20
schestowitz-TRI mean,Mar 28 13:20
mateyso hes innocent (a bit of a shit, but innocent)Mar 28 13:20
schestowitz-TRthey don't choose to be oldMar 28 13:20
schestowitz-TRor whiteMar 28 13:20
schestowitz-TRor maleMar 28 13:20
schestowitz-TRso that's a attement of hate and bigotryMar 28 13:20
mateywell im simply conflating the leader of kde 4 with the leader of kde 5Mar 28 13:20
schestowitz-TRand they use the platform, twitter, to compel twitter to ban such peopleMar 28 13:20
mateyindeedMar 28 13:21
*zleap has quit (Client Quit)Mar 28 13:21
mateyit makes twitter look like they care about somethingMar 28 13:21
mateyits cheap but it works (with silly people)Mar 28 13:21
mateyis it nate graham?Mar 28 13:21
schestowitz-TRno ideaMar 28 13:21
schestowitz-TRjust said a nameMar 28 13:21
schestowitz-TRwho is chief of kde now?Mar 28 13:21
schestowitz-TRI think a germanMar 28 13:21
schestowitz-TRbut not sure which of the twoiMar 28 13:22
schestowitz-TRthe founder mostly vanishedMar 28 13:22
schestowitz-TRhe mad lyx and kdeMar 28 13:22
schestowitz-TRtwo projects I loveMar 28 13:22
mateyits not grahamMar 28 13:22
mateywho is chief of kde now <- this is something i checked months ago but i cant find it nowMar 28 13:22
schestowitz-TRafter taking that german medal I hardly heard anything about him, just some anniversary interviewsMar 28 13:22
mateywebsites are so useless these daysMar 28 13:22
mateymeet the team shouldnt be hard to findMar 28 13:22
schestowitz-TRdoesn't matterMar 28 13:23
mateykingdomdrivenentrepreneur.com/about-kde/meet-the-team/  <- roflMar 28 13:23
schestowitz-TRdon't personify where it won't helpMar 28 13:23
schestowitz-TRkde's statement on rms was not so badMar 28 13:23
schestowitz-TRcompared to gnome and otherMar 28 13:23
matey<schestowitz-TR> doesn't matter <- it matters to get this statement correctMar 28 13:23
schestowitz-TRkde wanted more transparency from fsfMar 28 13:23
matey kde's statement on rms was not so bad <- im not going by the statement.Mar 28 13:23
schestowitz-TRand fsf responded to that effectMar 28 13:23
schestowitz-TRsuse was just sapMar 28 13:24
schestowitz-TRsome idiot from sapMar 28 13:24
schestowitz-TRwho knows nothing about free software and gnu/linuxMar 28 13:24
schestowitz-TReven made statements on russiaMar 28 13:24
schestowitz-TRpure businessismMar 28 13:24
mateyi have no idea where youre supposed to find out WHO developes kdeMar 28 13:24
mateyagain, i checked this months ago and it wasnt difficultMar 28 13:25
schestowitz-TRit's not centralisedMar 28 13:25
schestowitz-TRkde is the frameworkMar 28 13:25
schestowitz-TRcats herdedMar 28 13:25
schestowitz-TRsome applications are qtMar 28 13:25
mateythis is ridiculousMar 28 13:25
schestowitz-TRsome kdeMar 28 13:25
schestowitz-TRkde frameworkMar 28 13:25
schestowitz-TRplasmaMar 28 13:25
schestowitz-TRkde software compilation( (SC) at one pointMar 28 13:25
schestowitz-TRthe distros can decide how much of kde they wantMar 28 13:26
schestowitz-TRlast night I installed konversation in kdeneonMar 28 13:26
schestowitz-TRa lot of kde softwaare is not there in kde distrosMar 28 13:26
mateyCommunity Information Hub <- uselessMar 28 13:26
mateyyou cant find the project leader anywhere (same thing happening at fsf)Mar 28 13:27
mateyvoluntary self-decapitation?Mar 28 13:27
mateyits a bloody open secretMar 28 13:27
mateyhttps://community.kde.org/index.php?search=proejct+leader <- no resultsMar 28 13:28
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mateyoh i mistypedMar 28 13:28
matey8 results now, best one https://community.kde.org/KDE_Project_History/KDE_Two_(Developer_Meeting)Mar 28 13:28
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mateythats useful.Mar 28 13:28
mateythe leader of kde has gone into hiding.Mar 28 13:29
schestowitz-TRnow Uew?Mar 28 13:30
schestowitz-TRUweMar 28 13:30
schestowitz-TRcheck KDEeVMar 28 13:30
mateyit shouldnt take 20 minutes to find this-- it took TWO last time i tried (2021)Mar 28 13:30
schestowitz-TRand their board meetingMar 28 13:30
schestowitz-TRthat'll tell you who does the hiringMar 28 13:31
mateykdeev is a separate insitutitonMar 28 13:31
mateyit would be like trying to find who the dpl is via spiMar 28 13:31
mateywhich might work, though try itMar 28 13:31
schestowitz-TRkde is not in spiMar 28 13:31
mateyno i mean the dplMar 28 13:31
mateyof debianMar 28 13:31
schestowitz-TRjon cartelMar 28 13:31
mateyif you want to know who the dpl is you just go to wikipediaMar 28 13:31
schestowitz-TRcarterMar 28 13:31
mateypoint is, with debian its trivial, you dont need to go to spi (and spi probably wouldnt say because they dont choose the dpl)Mar 28 13:32
schestowitz-TR2 more people run against him nowMar 28 13:32
schestowitz-TRone sounds like japanese nameMar 28 13:32
schestowitz-TRthe other felix, probably europeanMar 28 13:32
mateyoh jon carter is kde lead now?Mar 28 13:32
schestowitz-TRnoMar 28 13:32
schestowitz-TRkde does not have lead per seMar 28 13:32
schestowitz-TRthere is a boardMar 28 13:32
schestowitz-TRthew eVMar 28 13:32
schestowitzhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_e.V.Mar 28 13:33
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schestowitz"Key peopleAleix Pol i Gonzàlez (President)'Mar 28 13:33
schestowitzKDE leaderMar 28 13:33
schestowitzspanish iircMar 28 13:33
mateyschestowitz-TR> kde does not have lead per se <- i dont believe this is trueMar 28 13:33
mateythey had a lead a year ago.Mar 28 13:33
bnchshours late, but if you hire indiansMar 28 13:34
bnchsyou can save alot on moneyMar 28 13:34
matey/KDE_e.V <- kde ev is an org, like spi. kde is a project, like debianMar 28 13:34
mateyit has a project leader.Mar 28 13:34
schestowitzPresidentAleix Pol GonzálezMar 28 13:34
bnchsand get even less efficient softwareMar 28 13:34
schestowitzVice PresidentLydia PintscherMar 28 13:34
schestowitzTreasurer and Vice PresidentEike HeinMar 28 13:34
mateyor it did a year ago.Mar 28 13:34
schestowitzBoard MemberNeofytos KolokotronisMar 28 13:34
schestowitzBoard MemberAdriaan de GrootMar 28 13:34
mateyyoure reading irrelevant information from the wrong source.Mar 28 13:34
schestowitz"irko Boehm became treasurer"Mar 28 13:34
mateyyou might as well tell me debian doesnt have a dpl because spi doesnt list one.Mar 28 13:35
bnchsdid you know: an airplane crashed due to the software being outsourced to india, which disengaged autopilotMar 28 13:35
schestowitzLater sold out to OINkMar 28 13:35
mateytreasure of kde ev.Mar 28 13:35
schestowitz-TRshit software can be made anywhereMar 28 13:36
schestowitz-TRnot just indiaMar 28 13:36
bnchsyeah i knowMar 28 13:36
schestowitz-TRthe boeing blames rushed the software devMar 28 13:36
schestowitz-TRfor financial reasonsMar 28 13:36
schestowitz-TRit costs them a lot more at the end, canceled orders and recallsMar 28 13:36
bnchsbut even thenMar 28 13:37
bnchsthere are companies that like to outsource to other 3rd world countriesMar 28 13:37
mateyThe KDE Community An international team developing and distributing Open Source software. <- there you go, kde is open source Mar 28 13:37
bnchswhich saves them moneyMar 28 13:37
bnchsbut makes shit low-quality softwareMar 28 13:37
bnchspoorly-testedMar 28 13:37
schestowitz-TRa lot of development is of was outsourced to ukraineMar 28 13:38
schestowitz-TRthe issue is money savingsMar 28 13:38
schestowitz-TRnot the outsourcing per seMar 28 13:38
schestowitz-TRor the countryMar 28 13:38
schestowitz-TRits singy companiesMar 28 13:39
bnchsyeahMar 28 13:39
schestowitz-TRthey ship prematurely on shoehorn budgetMar 28 13:39
bnchsthey like to get greedy on developmentMar 28 13:39
schestowitz-TRlike cameras with open telnet portMar 28 13:39
bnchswhich causes problemsMar 28 13:39
schestowitz-TRthey don't want to know about sec issuesMar 28 13:39
schestowitz-TRbecause they hirt for auditMar 28 13:39
bnchsschestowitz-TR: joke isMar 28 13:40
bnchsi found a router with open telnet portMar 28 13:40
schestowitz-TRand after hiring they learn things they don't want to knowMar 28 13:40
schestowitz-TRand shipping gets delayedMar 28 13:40
bnchsit had some shit shellMar 28 13:40
schestowitz-TRso they just throw them out there in bulkMar 28 13:40
bnchsbut you can get access to the busybox shell by doing "[command] && /bin/sh"Mar 28 13:40
schestowitz-TRit runs? SHIP.Mar 28 13:40
mateyi find it pretty incredible that kde is a software development projectMar 28 13:41
mateyand has no project leader. even when it did a year ago.Mar 28 13:41
bnchsyou could get all of the router informationMar 28 13:41
mateybut even if it didnt,  still incredible.Mar 28 13:41
bnchsthat wayMar 28 13:41
mateymost large software projects do have a leaderMar 28 13:41
schestowitz-TRI prefer it this wayMar 28 13:42
schestowitz-TRlike countries with president and PMMar 28 13:42
schestowitz-TRno royaltyMar 28 13:42
mateyoh yes? so you prefer a gnu project with no rms?Mar 28 13:42
schestowitz-TRseigo was a public faceMar 28 13:42
schestowitz-TRbut not leadersMar 28 13:42
bnchsanywayMar 28 13:42
schestowitz-TRhe was a perceived champMar 28 13:42
bnchsi found lots of internet crapMar 28 13:42
schestowitz-TRbut not a dictatorMar 28 13:42
bnchsincluding routersMar 28 13:42
mateybecause gnu without rms is a ple of shit.Mar 28 13:42
mateypile as wellMar 28 13:43
schestowitz-TRdebian shufflel leaders oftenMar 28 13:43
bnchshave shitton of security issuesMar 28 13:43
schestowitz-TRbut that makes it easy to gameMar 28 13:43
bnchsand even abandoned updatesMar 28 13:43
schestowitz-TRimagine fsf shuffling board pre and ed every yearMar 28 13:43
schestowitz-TRone wrong pick and your org is f*edMar 28 13:43
mateyyoure not making any sense at allMar 28 13:43
mateyno leaders, no accountabilityMar 28 13:43
mateysomeone is coordinating things at kdeMar 28 13:44
schestowitz-TRit should be decentralisedMar 28 13:44
schestowitz-TRand federalisedMar 28 13:44
mateytheyre just making the information harder to findMar 28 13:44
schestowitz-TRlike statesMar 28 13:44
psydruidcoordinating for bloat?Mar 28 13:44
schestowitz-TRin kde there are many componentsMar 28 13:44
matey it should be decentralised <- so in other words, rms should step down from gnMar 28 13:44
mateygnuMar 28 13:44
schestowitz-TRfediverse and disapora are the sameMar 28 13:44
schestowitz-TRno single leaderMar 28 13:44
mateythats what gnu.fools wanted.Mar 28 13:44
schestowitz-TRbut many islands connected togetherMar 28 13:45
schestowitz-TRbad instances/pods will dieMar 28 13:45
schestowitz-TRand the whole will carry on goingMar 28 13:45
mateyon github.Mar 28 13:45
bnchswhat happens if rms diesMar 28 13:45
bnchswho will take his placeMar 28 13:45
schestowitz-TRfsf carries onMar 28 13:45
schestowitz-TRnobody needs to take his placeMar 28 13:45
mateyfsf certainly does carry onMar 28 13:45
schestowitz-TRand nobody canMar 28 13:45
schestowitz-TRbecause he alone is the founderMar 28 13:45
schestowitz-TRat the moment rms is still camera-shyMar 28 13:46
matey<schestowitz-TR> nobody needs to take his place <- well this is a bunch of claptrapMar 28 13:46
bnchsokMar 28 13:46
bnchsso the entire thing falls apartMar 28 13:46
bnchsafter he diesMar 28 13:46
mateybnchs: yesMar 28 13:46
schestowitz-TRso for 2+ years fsf was mostly on auto-pilot without much public authority from himMar 28 13:46
schestowitz-TRzoe has caused no blunder so farMar 28 13:46
mateybecause people are kind of dumb.Mar 28 13:46
*psydruid imagines it to be santa clausMar 28 13:46
schestowitz-TRI wait for libreplanet 2022 videos to be readyMar 28 13:46
bnchseither through shit leaderMar 28 13:46
bnchsor no leadershipMar 28 13:46
matey<schestowitz-TR> so for 2+ years fsf was mostly on auto-pilot without much public authority from him <- this is of course is not the narrative from the fsf itself OR from people speaking from the insideMar 28 13:47
mateyand it wasnt doing well on "autopilot" either.Mar 28 13:47
mateybut lets ignore all of that for rhetorical purposes.Mar 28 13:47
mateybecause it sort of undermines the point of whatever it is you think youre sayingMar 28 13:48
mateyone of the goals of the coup was to 1. fake his stepping down from gnu 2. force him to step down from gnuMar 28 13:49
mateynow youre saying gnu doesnt need a project leaderMar 28 13:49
mateyi would question this just because its what the backstabbers wanted.Mar 28 13:49
mateywithout a project leader, gnu has become MORE centralised, under microsoft.Mar 28 13:49
bnchsgnu needs a project leader that can be bribed easilyMar 28 13:50
bnchsthats what they meant by forcing rms to step downMar 28 13:50
mateygnu seems to be fucked no matter what it doesMar 28 13:50
mateydoesnt change the pros and cons of doing this or that.Mar 28 13:50
bnchsrms couldnt be bribedMar 28 13:50
bnchsso they had to do it the hard wayMar 28 13:50
mateybnchs: you could be rightMar 28 13:50
mateythe decapitation attack on linux didnt help linuxMar 28 13:51
mateythe decapitation attack on gnu didnt help gnuMar 28 13:51
mateyso now the position is a headless gnu is a better gnuMar 28 13:51
schestowitz-TRbtw, kde is also federated in the corporate senseMar 28 13:51
mateythats hilarious.Mar 28 13:51
mateykde isnt a corporation. Mar 28 13:51
schestowitz-TRquite a few companies going like datellite around qt and kdeMar 28 13:51
schestowitz-TRmost of them northern europeanMar 28 13:51
schestowitz-TRsome are OEMsMar 28 13:51
mateyyoure conflating kde the project with kde ev the corporationMar 28 13:51
mateythe corporation isnt a software project.Mar 28 13:51
mateyspi is not the debian software distribution either.Mar 28 13:52
mateythe president of spi is not the debian project leader.Mar 28 13:52
schestowitz-TRspi is a tax hackMar 28 13:52
mateybecause theyre two different things.Mar 28 13:52
mateythat may be Mar 28 13:52
schestowitz-TRspi does it for many other projectsMar 28 13:52
schestowitz-TRsee their statement Mar 28 13:52
mateybut theyre still two different thingsMar 28 13:52
schestowitz-TRosi does it for microsoftMar 28 13:52
mateykde is not a corporation.Mar 28 13:52
schestowitz-TRsfc for many othersMar 28 13:52
mateydebian is also not a corporationMar 28 13:52
mateyand kde under the auspices of kde ev cannot be "federated in a corporate sense"Mar 28 13:53
mateyits exactly the opposite of thatMar 28 13:54
mateythats as ridiculous as saying "federated under github"Mar 28 13:54
mateygithub is a single entityMar 28 13:54
schestowitz-TRsee copyrights in kdeMar 28 13:54
schestowitz-TRto some people kde is not a projectMar 28 13:54
schestowitz-TRor communityMar 28 13:54
schestowitz-TRbut partly a jobMar 28 13:54
schestowitz-TRsame in qtMar 28 13:54
schestowitz-TRbut qt becomes more about business and little elseMar 28 13:55
mateyit can be a breath mint or a candy mint, its still a project. Mar 28 13:55
schestowitz-TRthey try againMar 28 13:55
mateynots not a corporation.Mar 28 13:55
mateyits not a corporation.Mar 28 13:55
schestowitz-TRkde is a brandMar 28 13:55
schestowitz-TRyou use qt for soomethingMar 28 13:55
schestowitz-TRand then you can associate with the kde software distributionMar 28 13:55
schestowitz-TRand same for gnuMar 28 13:55
schestowitz-TRleah was on and off gnuMar 28 13:56
mateykde is a brand <- really, so you download the trademark and then compile it using gcc?Mar 28 13:56
schestowitz-TRgnu does not impose toolkitsMar 28 13:56
mateykde is a brand, but thats nothing to do with this.Mar 28 13:56
matey gnu does not impose toolkits <- nor does the trademark actually. Mar 28 13:56
schestowitz-TR"KDE SC" had a reasonMar 28 13:56
schestowitz-TRI know the history ratherMar 28 13:56
schestowitz-TRwellMar 28 13:56
mateythe project decides on the toolkits.Mar 28 13:57
schestowitz-TRas a KDE user since 2000Mar 28 13:57
mateythe one that doesnt exist, apparently.Mar 28 13:57
schestowitz-TRthere's KDE 'coreMar 28 13:57
schestowitz-TRlike plasma and klipperMar 28 13:57
schestowitz-TRklipper is very oldMar 28 13:57
mateybecause its decentralised under a single entity like githubMar 28 13:57
schestowitz-TRwent throuh tons of changesMar 28 13:57
mateysorry, "federated"Mar 28 13:57
mateythis really is a lot of wank.Mar 28 13:57
schestowitz-TRpertinent sofwtare like KNode is there tooMar 28 13:57
schestowitz-TRand tons of cobbleed-together stuff, like KOrganiser and KMail, which then need underlying services for indexing and similarMar 28 13:57
schestowitz-TRk3b is aroudn still, I guessMar 28 13:58
schestowitz-TRbut not limited to kdeMar 28 13:58
mateyyou go to https://kde.org/ and it says "kde goals" somewhereMar 28 13:58
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matey2019.Mar 28 13:58
mateyi guess those are long term goals.Mar 28 13:58
schestowitz-TRkde is very ditributedMar 28 13:58
schestowitz-TRBUT STILLMar 28 13:58
schestowitz-TRfar more organised than MicrosoftWindowsMar 28 13:58
mateyFinalize the transition to Wayland and embrace the future of desktopMar 28 13:59
schestowitz-TRat Microsoft the left hand no longer knows what the right is doingMar 28 13:59
mateyso there you go, whenever you push kde youre pushing wayland. congratulations.Mar 28 13:59
schestowitz-TRmany dying or dead WIndows projects and OSes they tried, or boughtMar 28 13:59
schestowitz-TRand many editions of the same thingMar 28 13:59
mateymight as well start sucking up to wayland, because youre promoting it either way.Mar 28 13:59
schestowitz-TRI  don't want waylandMar 28 14:00
mateyhttps://dot.kde.org/2019/09/07/kde-decides-three-new-challenges-wayland-consistency-and-apps "Finalize the transition to Wayland and embrace the future of desktop"Mar 28 14:00
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schestowitz-TRI don't need itMar 28 14:00
mateythis is the systemdickification of kdeMar 28 14:00
schestowitz-TRand can work around to avoid it over timeMar 28 14:00
schestowitz-TRmy scripts use x toolsMar 28 14:00
mateyI don't need it <- you LITERALLY DO.Mar 28 14:01
matey <schestowitz-TR> and can work around to avoid it over time <- how?Mar 28 14:01
schestowitz-TRbut maybe those scripts won't be of any use in 5 yearsMar 28 14:01
schestowitz-TRso then I might not might a stable waylandMar 28 14:01
bnchswayland is the redhat of x11Mar 28 14:01
schestowitz-TRlike pulseaudio, which generally works most of the timeMar 28 14:01
schestowitz-TRpipewire seems like a project in its diapersMar 28 14:01
bnchsit still has issuesMar 28 14:01
bnchslike not having a good way to screenshotMar 28 14:01
matey <bnchs> wayland is the redhat of x11 <- i hope youre getting this, kde is pushing waylandMar 28 14:01
bnchsnor screen recordMar 28 14:01
mateyas "the future of the desktop"Mar 28 14:01
psydruidafter being worked on since 2009Mar 28 14:02
bnchsyou literally cant screen record not take screenshotsMar 28 14:02
mateythe systemdickification of kde continues (it started with the cashew)Mar 28 14:02
schestowitz-TRbnchs: yes, it's not for meMar 28 14:02
bnchsmatey: wait what?Mar 28 14:02
bnchspushing wayland?Mar 28 14:02
schestowitz-TRiCBM ruins Red Hat fast enough that it might become a spinoff companyMar 28 14:03
mateyhttps://dot.kde.org/2019/09/07/kde-decides-three-new-challenges-wayland-consistency-and-apps <- bnchsMar 28 14:03
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matey"Finalize the transition to Wayland and embrace the future of desktop"Mar 28 14:03
schestowitz-TRmatey: what are you using at this very moment?Mar 28 14:04
psydruidhow could they omit screen streaming and recording as one of the fundamental features of the "new" Wayland protocol?Mar 28 14:04
matey<schestowitz-TR> matey: what are you using at this very moment? <- be more specificMar 28 14:04
mateyusing for what?Mar 28 14:04
bnchspsydruid: its a side effectMar 28 14:04
schestowitz-TRircMar 28 14:04
bnchsof them trying to prevent X11 hijackingMar 28 14:05
mateywhat does it matter what im using for irc?Mar 28 14:05
bnchsor somethingMar 28 14:05
schestowitz-TRit mattersMar 28 14:05
schestowitz-TRto meMar 28 14:05
mateyi thought you were asking what i was using for a desktopMar 28 14:05
schestowitz-TRevasive?Mar 28 14:05
mateyits a question out of left fieldMar 28 14:05
schestowitz-TRyes, for the irc sessionMar 28 14:05
mateyim curious why it mattersMar 28 14:05
schestowitz-TRunelss you use android or something...Mar 28 14:06
mateyyou should be able to figure it out. im sure ariadne can if she wants to.Mar 28 14:06
schestowitz-TRnot trying to slag you off, just curiousMar 28 14:06
mateysalrightMar 28 14:06
schestowitz-TRbecause I want to know the stackMar 28 14:06
mateywell if you know meMar 28 14:06
bnchsschestowitz-TR: ctcp client?Mar 28 14:06
mateyi avoid stacks Mar 28 14:06
schestowitz-TRfor me at the moment all laptops are xorgMar 28 14:06
schestowitz-TR3 KDEsMar 28 14:06
schestowitz-TRone GNOMEMar 28 14:06
schestowitz-TRone Xfce4Mar 28 14:07
schestowitz-TRthe one I type into with "-TR" is KDE4Mar 28 14:07
mateyi considered xfce the lesser of three evilsMar 28 14:08
bnchsapparentlyMar 28 14:08
bnchsin X11Mar 28 14:08
mateybut lately its just failing like lxde Mar 28 14:08
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mateywhich i considered the best compromise of features and speedMar 28 14:08
bnchsprograms can look at each other's X11 windowMar 28 14:08
schestowitz-TRonly 2 laptops have systemdMar 28 14:08
schestowitz-TRthe rest noMar 28 14:08
bnchsi mean capture X11 keyboard/mouse eventsMar 28 14:08
mateyyouve actually been getting away from systemd then?Mar 28 14:08
bnchseven if it meant for another programMar 28 14:08
mateyhow is it the other machines dont have it?Mar 28 14:08
schestowitz-TRsystemd offers nothing to meMar 28 14:09
schestowitz-TRit's not a selling pointMar 28 14:09
mateythats trueMar 28 14:09
mateybut i was unaware that youd done anything to escape itMar 28 14:09
schestowitz-TRwhen configusing the new machine this past weekend first options were openbsd and devuanMar 28 14:09
schestowitz-TRdevuan choked on the wifi bardMar 28 14:09
schestowitz-TRcardMar 28 14:09
mateyso youve been installing systemd alternatives?Mar 28 14:09
schestowitz-TRwhich turns out to be notorious even in these COVID yearsMar 28 14:09
schestowitz-TRrealtek have very poor code, I didn't knowMar 28 14:10
schestowitz-TRmatey: installed, but no wifiMar 28 14:10
schestowitz-TRand I don't want to compile kernelsMar 28 14:10
mateydevuan is a huge disappointmentMar 28 14:10
schestowitz-TRChimera Mar 28 14:10
mateyand i wouldnt even recommend openbsd to someone who needed wifiMar 28 14:10
bnchsi dont even use wifiMar 28 14:10
mateyi usually remove the wifi chip from my laptopsMar 28 14:10
bnchsentirely ethernetMar 28 14:10
mateybefore ive even installed a new osMar 28 14:11
mateyyou know what i recommend to people who want wifi?Mar 28 14:11
mateyits not even a usb dongleMar 28 14:11
schestowitz-TRI still have chimaera on my diskMar 28 14:11
mateyget an extender, and use ethernetMar 28 14:11
schestowitz-TRI installed fully LMDEMar 28 14:11
schestowitz-TRthen wiped itMar 28 14:11
mateygranted this is useless for TRUE portabilityMar 28 14:11
mateyyou need a powerpoint for it it workMar 28 14:12
schestowitz-TRI have the mni.iso of bullseye as wellMar 28 14:12
mateyive used it at cafes-- but only if a powerpoint is avilableMar 28 14:12
schestowitz-TRthose are smallMar 28 14:12
mateystill its major progress if youre exploring systemd alternatives finallyMar 28 14:12
mateywhen i slagged you off for that more than a year ago, it was MOSTLY intended as real adviceMar 28 14:13
mateythe slagging was a smaller fraction of the intent.Mar 28 14:13
mateyit was meant as a "gentle slagging"Mar 28 14:13
schestowitz-TRmatey: later you went on toi writing like 50 articles about usMar 28 14:13
schestowitz-TRI read most of them, thank youMar 28 14:13
mateyyes, wellMar 28 14:13
mateythose are still onlineMar 28 14:13
schestowitz-TRit's OKMar 28 14:13
schestowitz-TRI'm no PutinMar 28 14:14
mateyi think most of them are probably accurate.Mar 28 14:14
mateyno, let me think of someone i still think is worse-- i can do this, its not a trick.Mar 28 14:14
mateypoettering no doubt.Mar 28 14:14
schestowitz-TRdid you speak to lxo btw?Mar 28 14:14
schestowitz-TRhe was hurt by your last correspondenceMar 28 14:14
mateyhe jumped down my throat about not wanting a "forced marriage"Mar 28 14:15
techrights-news8 Best KDE Based Linux Distributions That You’ll Love • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163061Mar 28 14:15
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schestowitz-TRlxe is a nice guyMar 28 14:15
mateyso is rmsMar 28 14:15
schestowitz-TRand he could not reply to youMar 28 14:15
schestowitz-TRnor could tomMar 28 14:15
schestowitz-TRhe was sad about the whole thingMar 28 14:15
mateytom sold me out, i dropped him.Mar 28 14:15
schestowitz-TRI last spoke to tom last yearMar 28 14:15
mateyi saw.Mar 28 14:15
schestowitz-TRnow joindiaspora is dead (this was long-coming BTW)Mar 28 14:15
schestowitz-TRmaybe you can make up with tom, his email is the sameMar 28 14:16
mateyyeah i  mean they stopped taking new people years agoMar 28 14:16
schestowitz-TRhe's our seniorMar 28 14:16
matey maybe you can make up with tom, his email is the same <- im more interested in people i can trustMar 28 14:16
schestowitz-TRtom and lxo were always very nice to meMar 28 14:16
mateytom is a nice personMar 28 14:17
schestowitz-TRrms is not as predictble because of his tactMar 28 14:17
mateyrms is socially clumsy. he can be forgiven for thatMar 28 14:17
mateyif someone bumps into you with their wheelchair, 999 times out of 1000 they didnt mean it and can be forgiven instantlyMar 28 14:17
mateyrms is the same.Mar 28 14:17
schestowitz-TRand hey, not to brag, but to keep a site and community going since 2006 is not easyMar 28 14:17
schestowitz-TRsnd in TR we outlasted manyMar 28 14:18
schestowitz-TRnot because of money or anythingMar 28 14:18
schestowitz-TRphotonix sold outMar 28 14:18
schestowitz-TRfossforce is varnishing LF ads in every page nowMar 28 14:18
mateyi was not surprised when microbel sold outMar 28 14:18
mateyi expected him toMar 28 14:18
mateyyes fossfarceMar 28 14:18
schestowitz-TRsellouts all around meMar 28 14:18
mateychristine (signed) and bilefield (posted false things in an article)Mar 28 14:18
schestowitz-TReven lian dawe seems to be part of "steam deck love boat"Mar 28 14:18
mateyi know the name, not the role.Mar 28 14:18
mateystill fossfarce?Mar 28 14:19
schestowitz-TRyeah, bbyfield ruined and tarnished the "force"Mar 28 14:19
schestowitz-TRhe was a force against FSFMar 28 14:19
mateychristine signed the letterMar 28 14:19
schestowitz-TRconcern-trolling them for yearsMar 28 14:19
schestowitz-TRwhile Hall wrote nothingMar 28 14:19
mateybut bilefield was worseMar 28 14:19
schestowitz-TRhe always wasMar 28 14:19
schestowitz-TRhe always did this to FSFMar 28 14:19
schestowitz-TRhe became irrelevant like 10 years agoMar 28 14:20
schestowitz-TRI only see his name in Linux Mag sometimes, but that's itMar 28 14:20
mateyopen source eats their ownMar 28 14:20
schestowitz-TRthey do it to themselvesMar 28 14:20
mateywith a real community, you dont have to step on good people to get to the topMar 28 14:20
schestowitz-TRyou can sell out in one dayMar 28 14:20
mateyyou can just be part of something biggerMar 28 14:20
schestowitz-TRafter 10 years of hard workMar 28 14:20
mateywith open source, the only reason to be part of something is to sell out and climb to the topMar 28 14:20
mateywhere you get eaten, and the cycle continuesMar 28 14:21
schestowitz-TRsfc is just 'cashing in' at the moemntMar 28 14:21
mateyyesMar 28 14:21
mateyand theyre winning just enough (for now)Mar 28 14:21
schestowitz-TRbkuhn monetising the goodwill he got at fsf for 1-2 decadesMar 28 14:21
schestowitz-TRhe'll run out, just like LFMar 28 14:21
mateybkuhn is nuts. he really believes what he says.Mar 28 14:21
schestowitz-TRLF lost its CFO the year it made a LOSSMar 28 14:21
mateyhis lies are first and foremost to himself.Mar 28 14:21
mateythen to everyone else.Mar 28 14:21
mateyhes an "honest liar"Mar 28 14:21
schestowitz-TRand now without ANY events and without ANY IRS filings you have to wonder wth is going onMar 28 14:21
schestowitz-TRbkuhn is not nutsMar 28 14:22
schestowitz-TRhe's shrewd with composureMar 28 14:22
mateywe neednt agreeMar 28 14:22
schestowitz-TRsandler alsoMar 28 14:22
mateyhe's shrewd with composure <- tactically i agree with this.Mar 28 14:22
schestowitz-TRbut they defected to anotrher objectiveMar 28 14:22
mateyhis TACTICS ARE shrewdMar 28 14:22
schestowitz-TRrms lacks the compsureMar 28 14:22
mateyi have a theory about libreplanet im happy to shareMar 28 14:22
schestowitz-TRhe has temper, stillMar 28 14:23
mateyive sort of said it beforeMar 28 14:23
schestowitz-TRpeace prize to enemies?Mar 28 14:23
mateyregarding kuhn and the speech he gaveMar 28 14:23
mateybesides thatMar 28 14:23
mateythat wasnt my theory it was ariadnesMar 28 14:23
schestowitz-TRthe speech is in the libreplanet sideMar 28 14:23
mateypeace prize to enemies was hersMar 28 14:23
schestowitz-TRI did not clickMar 28 14:23
schestowitz-TRa week later sfc attacked rms againMar 28 14:23
mateythe 2017 speech, where rms really did overreactMar 28 14:23
schestowitz-TRmatey: yes. I was about to say thatMar 28 14:23
mateyand kuhn appeared magnanimousMar 28 14:24
mateyi wouldnt be surprised if the entire goal was to trigger himMar 28 14:24
mateylike entrapmentMar 28 14:24
schestowitz-TRthat's a poliical stratetgyMar 28 14:24
mateyyesMar 28 14:24
schestowitz-TRI'm told this routinely about Team UPCMar 28 14:24
mateynow, its impossible to prove.Mar 28 14:24
mateybecause thats how gaslighting works.Mar 28 14:24
schestowitz-TRthey lie a lot to cause outbursts and angerMar 28 14:24
schestowitz-TRand then they look like they're reasonable and everyone else is hatefulMar 28 14:25
mateyits a documented tactic of the church of scientologyMar 28 14:25
schestowitz-TRdidn't knowMar 28 14:25
mateythey work systematically to produce overreactions-- they have a term for it called bullbaitingMar 28 14:25
schestowitz-TRremember what jono did to me liveMar 28 14:25
mateythere are videos about this on youtube Mar 28 14:25
mateyjono was a dickMar 28 14:25
schestowitz-TReven leo laprte had to step inmMar 28 14:25
schestowitz-TRand apologiseMar 28 14:25
schestowitz-TRhe felt like I had been ambushedMar 28 14:25
mateyyou sort of wereMar 28 14:25
schestowitz-TRat the time jono was fronting for a number of trollsMar 28 14:26
schestowitz-TRsome were sending m,e threatsMar 28 14:26
mateyjono is a hypocrite extraordinaireMar 28 14:26
mateya lot of Mar 28 14:26
matey""community leader" types areMar 28 14:26
mateybut i didnt call him on it, countless others haveMar 28 14:26
schestowitz-TRbtw, he's obsolete nowMar 28 14:26
mateyof courseMar 28 14:26
schestowitz-TRnow clear what he does for a livingMar 28 14:26
schestowitz-TRI know what he CLAIMSMar 28 14:26
mateybut his legacy is very mugh with itMar 28 14:26
schestowitz-TRnot the sameMar 28 14:26
mateyjono was-- through his design or that of othersMar 28 14:26
schestowitz-TRlike corporate sites with phantom profilesMar 28 14:26
schestowitz-TRto seem bigger than they really areMar 28 14:27
mateythe prototype developer of all this coc nonsenseMar 28 14:27
mateybefore coc took over the world, openrespect led the wayMar 28 14:27
schestowitz-TRjono is about 5 years my seniorMar 28 14:27
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schestowitz-TRso he still needs anoter few decades of 'juice' (income)Mar 28 14:27
schestowitz-TRin Free software he won't be welcomesMar 28 14:27
schestowitz-TRjust the quarters that attack itMar 28 14:27
schestowitz-TRlike flailing LFMar 28 14:27
mateywell he was open source theres no questionMar 28 14:28
schestowitz-TRwhere he worked as an evangalist/shillMar 28 14:28
mateybut then most things are nowMar 28 14:28
schestowitz-TRpay now for TWEET.... from THE BACONMar 28 14:28
mateyanother fine example of pure hypocrisy-- microsoft uses term "evangelist" while painting free software as "religious" and "cult"Mar 28 14:28
schestowitz-TRthere's a troll here in IRC still looking for dirt on meMar 28 14:28
schestowitz-TRhe has parked her for a yearMar 28 14:28
schestowitz-TRdefamed me repeatedly in twitterMar 28 14:28
mateyyes im awareMar 28 14:29
schestowitz-TRthen had the audacity to claim _I_ had defamed _him_Mar 28 14:29
schestowitz-TR"ThatDidn'tGoWell(TM)"Mar 28 14:29
mateywell id like his side of the story on thatMar 28 14:29
mateybut he wont give it (for now)Mar 28 14:29
schestowitz-TRhe wants to be a teacherMar 28 14:29
schestowitz-TRseems like career demotionMar 28 14:30
schestowitz-TRkernel doesn't want him backMar 28 14:30
schestowitz-TRwhich, you know...Mar 28 14:30
schestowitz-TRsort of 'happens'/...Mar 28 14:30
mateya teacher is more of a life calling than a career moveMar 28 14:30
schestowitz-TRwhen you troll the project's founded for yearsMar 28 14:30
schestowitz-TR*founderMar 28 14:30
schestowitz-TRsame for SageMar 28 14:30
mateyno one becomes a nun because of the perksMar 28 14:30
schestowitz-TRnow works for SFCMar 28 14:30
schestowitz-TRin Team Cancel(R)Mar 28 14:30
schestowitz-TR"what are your skills?"Mar 28 14:30
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schestowitz-TR"I helped produced lots of anti-Torvalds" articlesMar 28 14:31
schestowitz-TR"also, I was a woman back then, so I insinuated he was sexist and stuff... but his family is feminist... so that didn't stick on the wall"Mar 28 14:31
schestowitz-TRok, back to linux news now...Mar 28 14:32
schestowitz-TRbbiabMar 28 14:32
techrights-newsReview: Zenwalk GNU Linux 15.0 - The power of Zen • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163062Mar 28 14:32
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schestowitz-TRbtwMar 28 14:32
schestowitz-TRside noteMar 28 14:32
schestowitz-TRand totally factual:Mar 28 14:32
schestowitz-TRwhen you have a project 98% maleMar 28 14:32
schestowitz-TRand one time a lady gets told off for bad codeMar 28 14:33
schestowitz-TRshouting sexist is NOT helping adoption of women in the  projectMar 28 14:33
mateyi agreeMar 28 14:33
schestowitz-TRit creates more suspicion and reaffirms fearMar 28 14:33
mateyi mean the thing isMar 28 14:33
schestowitz-TRTHAT... onluy HARMS women's prospectsMar 28 14:33
mateywhen the person shouting is known for treating everyone that wayMar 28 14:33
schestowitz-TRwho are presumed potential agent provocateur from the get p-gopMar 28 14:34
schestowitz-TRmy wife does excellent work technicallyMar 28 14:34
mateythe real sexist thing to do would be to show chivalry to the female contributorMar 28 14:34
schestowitz-TRand that's feminismMar 28 14:34
schestowitz-TRbeing on par with or better than the restMar 28 14:34
mateyat any rate, i dont put stock in any definition of "sexist" that condemns someone for treating a female contributor the same as anyone elseMar 28 14:35
schestowitz-TRor to put it anorher wayMar 28 14:35
mateyunless the treatment is regarding women somehowMar 28 14:35
schestowitz-TRIf I see a lady coder stepping on stageMar 28 14:35
schestowitz-TRand doing excellent work and presentationMar 28 14:35
schestowitz-TRI don't need her to say she is femaleMar 28 14:35
schestowitz-TRI can see thatMar 28 14:35
mateylike if a guy makes sex jokes about everyone else and does the same around women-- thats another matterMar 28 14:35
schestowitz-TRand I am impessed by the wordMar 28 14:35
schestowitz-TR*workMar 28 14:35
mateybut if he holds a female to the same code standardsMar 28 14:35
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mateythats like what you you would hopeMar 28 14:35
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schestowitz-TRthe code crashesMar 28 14:36
schestowitz-TRno matter is its coder had one genital or the otherMar 28 14:36
schestowitz-TRand the crash can impact a planeMar 28 14:36
schestowitz-TRor trainMar 28 14:36
schestowitz-TRwith people of all sorts of genitals insideMar 28 14:36
mateyive had te same position on this for yearsMar 28 14:36
schestowitz-TRso it's really about the codeMar 28 14:36
mateyyes its not about gender at allMar 28 14:36
schestowitz-TRbtw, intel's usb code turned out to be super-buggyMar 28 14:36
schestowitz-TRbeyond beliefMar 28 14:36
schestowitz-TRtons of defects found years laterMar 28 14:36
mateybut thats an ultra-left issueMar 28 14:37
schestowitz-TRbut I don't know how many devs were involvedMar 28 14:37
mateyor if you dont like that you can say "pandering" and its just as trueMar 28 14:37
mateyits not about legitimate politics at allMar 28 14:37
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schestowitz-TRit's not a left/right thingMar 28 14:37
mateywell it isMar 28 14:37
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mateybut its pandering at any rateMar 28 14:38
schestowitz-TRhmm.. in the USMar 28 14:38
mateynoMar 28 14:38
schestowitz-TROK, in the USMar 28 14:38
mateyi mean in europeMar 28 14:38
mateyhistorically.Mar 28 14:38
schestowitz-TRfeminists come from no particular wingMar 28 14:38
schestowitz-TRwomen are equalMar 28 14:38
mateyim not really talking about feminists Per SeMar 28 14:38
schestowitz-TRand are better than men at some thingsMar 28 14:38
schestowitz-TRit's a work distribution assignmentMar 28 14:38
schestowitz-TRtoday I maintained our bikesMar 28 14:38
schestowitz-TRI did the task that need more forceMar 28 14:38
schestowitz-TRrianne did the othersMar 28 14:39
schestowitz-TRbecause it is more effective use of resourcesMar 28 14:39
mateyive dated women who were physically stronger than me (and vice versa)Mar 28 14:39
mateyyou just assign tasks based on abilityMar 28 14:39
mateynot based on genderMar 28 14:39
schestowitz-TRyesMar 28 14:39
schestowitz-TRor based on experienceMar 28 14:40
mateyrianne may be stronger than mjg-- just based on what HE says about himselfMar 28 14:40
schestowitz-TRrianne is quite strongMar 28 14:40
schestowitz-TRcompared to her friendMar 28 14:40
mateyrightMar 28 14:40
schestowitz-TRwhen they tried shotputMar 28 14:40
schestowitz-TRrianne did twice the distganceMar 28 14:40
schestowitz-TRwith the 7.2kg ballMar 28 14:40
techrights-news"Josh and Kurt talk about the latest [Microsoft] backdoored package." https://opensourcesecurity.io/2022/03/27/episode-316-you-have-to-use-open-source/Mar 28 14:44
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bnchsthe one thing is i prefer programmers not to show off their gender/sex or anythingMar 28 14:45
bnchsif they want the least amount of discriminationMar 28 14:45
mateyi prefer the internet where people didnt wear their personal information on their sleeveMar 28 14:45
mateyits their right, but its something people should think twice about itMar 28 14:46
bnchsyeahMar 28 14:46
bnchsunless they state their gender otherwiseMar 28 14:46
mateythe guy who drew userfriendly was anonymous for yearsMar 28 14:46
bnchsi automatically think they're a maleMar 28 14:46
mateyhe was outed by some crazed fansMar 28 14:46
bnchsthats why i use he/him pronouns for unknown peopleMar 28 14:46
mateywhen i was a kid, i had a crush on this girl who was literally a geniusMar 28 14:47
mateyplayed the violin at age 7Mar 28 14:47
mateywe both had the same kind of computerMar 28 14:47
schestowitz-TRviolin at 7?Mar 28 14:47
bnchssometimes people correct it but it doesnt change what i think about themMar 28 14:47
mateyliteral genius.Mar 28 14:47
schestowitz-TRprobably affluent familyMar 28 14:47
schestowitz-TRor korean :-)Mar 28 14:47
mateyi think her father worked for the music industry.Mar 28 14:47
schestowitz-TRah, that explains itMar 28 14:48
schestowitz-TRtutoring directlyMar 28 14:48
mateyif she was korean, she must have been one of the irish varietyMar 28 14:48
schestowitz-TRcorrsMar 28 14:48
mateyanyway, i never thought of computers as something genderedMar 28 14:48
mateyand i have no doubt she could have been a wizard at computers if she wasnt busy with countless other projectsMar 28 14:48
mateyshe was more focused on musicMar 28 14:49
bnchsthe problem is that people tend to favor more or discriminate more people based on their sex/gender/whatever they fuck they are/didMar 28 14:49
techrights-newsMetadata Cleaner: Remove Your Traces Within a File • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163064Mar 28 14:49
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bnchsand the only way to fix thatMar 28 14:49
matey <bnchs> the problem is that people tend to favor more or discriminate more people based on their sex/gender/whatever they fuck they are/did <- indeedMar 28 14:49
bnchsis anonymityMar 28 14:49
mateyi dont knowMar 28 14:49
mateyanonymity is the simplest wayMar 28 14:49
mateyand it works!Mar 28 14:49
mateymulan, joan of arc, etc.Mar 28 14:49
bnchsi just assume they're a manMar 28 14:49
techrights-newsThere seems to be almost no journalism left on issues like patents in Europe (or in general); the little coverage that exists is full of conflicts (of interest) and there’s media blackout when it comes to the biggest and most noteworthy news http://techrights.org/2022/03/27/media-blackout-europe/Mar 28 14:50
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mateyon the other hand, it shouldnt be a REQUIREMENT to be anonymous to be treated like an equalMar 28 14:50
bnchsyeah butMar 28 14:50
mateyso its reasonable for people to try to make headway even while having a face and a genderMar 28 14:50
bnchsthey shouldnt show off as wellMar 28 14:50
mateyi guess it means what you mean by "show off"Mar 28 14:50
bnchsi dont care if you're transMar 28 14:50
bnchsmatey: i mean like people showing off that they're transMar 28 14:51
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bnchsor if they're gay or somethingMar 28 14:51
mateyi dont know, lots of progress was made via gay prideMar 28 14:51
bnchsi mean how is it related to development at allMar 28 14:51
mateyi think it depends on a lot of things besides just either/orMar 28 14:51
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bnchsyeahMar 28 14:52
bnchsbut projects tend to have more progressMar 28 14:53
mateyit shouldnt become more important to free software than free software itself at leastMar 28 14:53
bnchsif they dont focus on identity politicsMar 28 14:53
mateyso it can be weaponised for that purposeMar 28 14:53
bnchsand rather treat everyone equallyMar 28 14:53
mateyand at times has beenMar 28 14:53
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bnchsyeahMar 28 14:53
mateybut then againMar 28 14:53
mateythat means the real problem is the weaponisation of identity politicsMar 28 14:53
mateynot identity politics themselvesMar 28 14:54
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bnchswell that is the problemMar 28 14:54
mateyyoure pro-gun, right?Mar 28 14:54
bnchsyou end up having projects becoming a slave to identity politicsMar 28 14:54
mateymaybe im thinking of someone elseMar 28 14:54
bnchsmatey: i prefer not to sayMar 28 14:54
MinceRi am pro-gunMar 28 14:54
mateyso lets take mincer as an example thenMar 28 14:54
mateyguns can be extremely usefulMar 28 14:55
mateyits a problem when theyre used to murder peopleMar 28 14:55
bnchswho's problem is itMar 28 14:55
mateyidentity politics can be used for a good purposeMar 28 14:55
MinceR(cat) (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blKJOtEKCxsMar 28 14:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Invidious: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=blKJOtEKCxsMar 28 14:55
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bnchsthe guy shooting it?Mar 28 14:55
bnchsor the gun itselfMar 28 14:55
mateyits a problem when theyre used as an offensive weaponMar 28 14:55
MinceRany object can be used to murder peopleMar 28 14:55
MinceRincluding human bodiesMar 28 14:55
techrights-newsFeren OS 2022.03 is Finally Here as its First Update for This YearFeren OS 2022.03 is Finally Here as its First Update for This Year http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163046#comment-33218Mar 28 14:55
bnchsMinceR: thats trueMar 28 14:55
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mateylike a bananaMar 28 14:55
bnchsknives aswellMar 28 14:55
bnchspeople tend to carry machetes with them hereMar 28 14:56
mateyor a bunch of grapesMar 28 14:56
mateyor a pointed stickMar 28 14:56
*psydruid wants to use a cat as a weapon of mass destructionMar 28 14:56
mateycats ARE weapons of mass destructionMar 28 14:56
MinceRyou shouldn't use a cat as a WMDMar 28 14:57
mateybut the only time they were accused of such, the real problem was parasitesMar 28 14:57
bnchsanything can be used as a weaponMar 28 14:57
bnchseven rocksMar 28 14:57
bnchsand stonesMar 28 14:57
bnchsshould you ban rocks and stones?Mar 28 14:57
mateyi think if people have rocks and stones they should turn them in voluntarilyMar 28 14:58
mateyno questions askedMar 28 14:58
MinceRhands, legs and teeth can be used as weapon, ban those tooMar 28 14:58
techrights-newsHard Links and Soft Links in Linux: Everything You Need to Know • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163065Mar 28 14:58
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MinceRwell, the entire arm can be used as a weaponMar 28 14:58
mateybruce lee could use just a fingerMar 28 14:58
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mateywe should also ban windowsMar 28 14:59
mateybecause as archie bunker pointed out, people can be pushed out of themMar 28 14:59
bnchsmatey: ok i agree with thatMar 28 14:59
bnchsoh windows not that windowsMar 28 14:59
bnchswindows as in windowMar 28 15:00
mateyi assume he was referring to microsoft windowsMar 28 15:00
mateyso we should ban thoseMar 28 15:00
matey/me is actually ok with most windows, but is completely against Assault WindowsMar 28 15:01
MinceRwindows can be thrown at peopleMar 28 15:01
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MinceRwith sufficient velocity, they can be arbitrarily destructiveMar 28 15:01
mateyplus they have sharp edges when they breakMar 28 15:02
mateykids should never be around windowsMar 28 15:02
mateytheyre more likely to fall through due to sizeMar 28 15:02
mateyand theyre more likely to get cut on sharp  edges becauseMar 28 15:02
schestowitz-TR[14:56] * psydruid wants to use a cat as a weapon of mass destructionMar 28 15:02
schestowitz-TRcat file | [fork bomb]Mar 28 15:02
mateywell, kids are pretty stupidMar 28 15:02
mateytheres probably a youtube meme coming with the "broken glass challenge"Mar 28 15:03
mateyi dont even want to watch that one.Mar 28 15:03
bnchsyou can use a cat's anus as a gun silencer Mar 28 15:03
bnchsban catsMar 28 15:03
schestowitz-TRjeppers creepersMar 28 15:03
schestowitz-TR*jeepersMar 28 15:03
mateyyou can use a cat's anus as a gun silencer <- jesus, someones ben watching league of gentlemenMar 28 15:04
MinceRsomeone's been playing Postal2Mar 28 15:04
schestowitzyou can use chinchilla as a keychain http://techrights.org/2016/10/12/epo-dkpto-danish-stories-index/Mar 28 15:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Index: Our Jesper Kongstad Series of Danish Stories | TechrightsMar 28 15:05
mateyyou can use chinchilla as a keychain <- thats fucking awfulMar 28 15:05
schestowitzthere are photos, tooMar 28 15:05
mateyughMar 28 15:05
schestowitzhead of EPOMar 28 15:05
schestowitzand his wifeMar 28 15:05
schestowitzwe got rid of himMar 28 15:05
mateycharmingMar 28 15:05
schestowitzhis government sacked himMar 28 15:05
mateyhopefully the sack wasnt also chinchillaMar 28 15:06
schestowitzshe sold them piecewise in facebookMar 28 15:06
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schestowitzthey farmed and cut them at homeMar 28 15:06
mateyim not against using animals for hidesMar 28 15:06
schestowitzsee? here is what I don't getMar 28 15:07
mateybut tiny animals, when they werent used for meat or anything? thats just-- why?Mar 28 15:07
schestowitzif I buy a cat here and abuse here, I will get in troubleMar 28 15:07
schestowitzeven for just spaking itMar 28 15:07
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schestowitzin the most scholarly country on the planet, denmark, you get to do this to animalsMar 28 15:07
mateyspaking?Mar 28 15:07
schestowitzand then the government, bribed by saudi barbaria, is all fine with it Mar 28 15:08
mateyspeaking? spanking? spaying?Mar 28 15:08
schestowitzmaybe the Danes should also legalise cooking your pet dog and catMar 28 15:08
bnchsschestowitz: abuse?Mar 28 15:08
bnchsis castrating a dog abuse?Mar 28 15:08
schestowitzmatey: I meant spankingMar 28 15:08
matey :>Mar 28 15:08
schestowitzanimal abuse is taken seriously here; horses, dogs, catsMar 28 15:08
schestowitzeven fish!Mar 28 15:08
mateyin my whole life ive never heard of someone spanking a catMar 28 15:08
bnchsi mean is neutering a dogMar 28 15:08
bnchsabuse?Mar 28 15:08
mateya monkey yes, never a cat thoughMar 28 15:09
MinceRlolMar 28 15:09
mateyi was sure you meant "speaking"Mar 28 15:09
schestowitzlollMar 28 15:09
schestowitzdon't spank the monkey, dear, we have guestsMar 28 15:09
bnchswhy would you spank a catMar 28 15:10
mateyits one of lifes little mysteriesMar 28 15:11
schestowitzhttps://yewtu.be/watch?v=9slgiOD0VAkMar 28 15:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Cartman Milks a Dog Using the Red Rocket Method - SOUTH PARK - InvidiousMar 28 15:11
bnchsstan milked the dog in the same room as his parentsMar 28 15:12
bnchsand other guestsMar 28 15:12
matey# find / | grep wayland | cat -n ; echo "done"Mar 28 15:12
matey     1 /usr/local/share/gtk-doc/html/gtk3/gtk-wayland.htmlMar 28 15:12
mateydoneMar 28 15:12
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mateywayland-freeMar 28 15:12
bnchsnahMar 28 15:13
bnchsthats a gtk wayland docMar 28 15:13
mateyso delete it?Mar 28 15:13
bnchswould you? could you?Mar 28 15:13
mateyokayMar 28 15:13
mateyjust for youMar 28 15:13
techrights-newsRussia and SA https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220328-south-africa-skates-on-diplomatic-thin-ice-over-russia-ukraine-warMar 28 15:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.france24.com | South Africa skates on diplomatic thin ice over Russia-Ukraine warMar 28 15:13
bnchsha that was a prankMar 28 15:13
bnchsyou gonna have package conflicts for daysMar 28 15:13
matey# find / | grep wayland | cat -n ; echo "done"Mar 28 15:14
mateydoneMar 28 15:14
mateyyou gonna have package conflicts for days <- i doubt itMar 28 15:14
*psydruid shares the doubtMar 28 15:14
mateyhonestly if the system is so fragile that an html doc is vitalMar 28 15:15
techrights-newsLinux running on M1 Ultra http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162909#comment-33219Mar 28 15:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Asahi Linux: The Individual User’s Stake in an Apple Silicon World | Tux MachinesMar 28 15:15
mateyit DESERVES to have package conflictsMar 28 15:15
bnchswell i dont knowMar 28 15:15
techrights-newsGoogle #Android Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163066Mar 28 15:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesMar 28 15:15
bnchsbut doesnt it keep track of files in a packageMar 28 15:16
matey/me runs yesMar 28 15:16
mateyyesMar 28 15:16
matey/me runs pkg_check | grep htmlMar 28 15:16
mateythis way if it has conflicts, i can simple touch the file thats missingMar 28 15:16
mateybut i dont think it will care.Mar 28 15:16
mateythey arent that stupid.Mar 28 15:17
mateyi think sometimes apt is that stupidMar 28 15:17
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mateyusually its not that badMar 28 15:17
techrights-newsA laptop is cheaper, runs games too, has battery that probably lasts longer than Steam Deck's https://yewtu.be/watch?v=gG7Vx27oA0gMar 28 15:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Hands-on with Steam Deck accessories that will TRANSFORM your experience. - InvidiousMar 28 15:18
matey"can't read /usr/local/share/gtk-doc/html/gtk3/gtk-wayland.html"Mar 28 15:18
matey^ from pkg_checkMar 28 15:18
mateyalso found a LOT of missing icons. dont need them.Mar 28 15:18
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techrights-news"We explore what makes NixOS so powerful, and why it might be the future of all Linux distributions. Plus we announce a community-wide NixOS challenge for the month of April." https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/148042/the-nixos-challenge-linux-unplugged-451/Mar 28 15:20
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mateymaybe polkit wont boot without an html doc :)Mar 28 15:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jupiterbroadcasting.com | The NixOS Challenge | LINUX Unplugged 451 | Jupiter BroadcastingMar 28 15:20
mateybecause it handles both the help features AND authenticationMar 28 15:20
MinceReven if it doesn't break anything, it's going to be created again when the package containing it is upgradedMar 28 15:21
matey<MinceR> even if it doesn't break anything, it's going to be created again when the package containing it is upgraded <- ha, as if any update to gtk could be called an "upgrade"Mar 28 15:21
MinceR:>Mar 28 15:21
bnchspolkit is shitMar 28 15:21
mateybut yes, if its updated i will have to delete it againMar 28 15:21
MinceRwell, i mean in apt termsMar 28 15:21
mateysame as the iconsMar 28 15:22
mateyin the meantime theyre quite useless to meMar 28 15:22
mateyand really just clutter up the filesystemMar 28 15:22
techrights-newsWhy AlmaLinux Is the Distro to Beat in the CentOS Linux Replacement Arena • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163067Mar 28 15:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Why AlmaLinux Is the Distro to Beat in the CentOS Linux Replacement Arena | Tux MachinesMar 28 15:23
techrights-newsBest Open Source Internet Radio Player for Linux • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163068Mar 28 15:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Best Open Source Internet Radio Player for Linux | Tux MachinesMar 28 15:23
mateyi dont plan to use gtk4 for anything, except possibly a browserMar 28 15:25
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bnchsgtk1?Mar 28 15:25
mateymaybe an image editor, thats itMar 28 15:25
bnchsi mean gtk4Mar 28 15:25
bnchsthey released gtk4?Mar 28 15:26
mateytheres a guy who chats here that develops an application using gtk4Mar 28 15:26
mateyi wont say who, he can mention it if he wantsMar 28 15:26
techrights-newsZynq UltraScale+ gets the SiP treatment with tiny OSDZU3 module • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163069Mar 28 15:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Zynq UltraScale+ gets the SiP treatment with tiny OSDZU3 module | Tux MachinesMar 28 15:26
mateywell i say he chats, i dont know if he ever says anythingMar 28 15:26
matey<bnchs> they released gtk4? <- im not really sure how the release schedule worksMar 28 15:27
mateypresumably it exists in some usable form if an application using it is presently being developedMar 28 15:27
mateyyou may have to compile it, i dont know the detailsMar 28 15:27
activelowcan gtk4 be compiled without linking libgl.so locking into vendor malice? no.Mar 28 15:28
bnchsactivelow: opengl library?Mar 28 15:28
activelowyes; gtk4 introduced a dependency against it, which cannot be removed anymore. gtk2/gtk3 was OK.Mar 28 15:29
mateydri.freedesktop.org/wiki/libGL/Mar 28 15:29
bnchsits probably just a graphics backendMar 28 15:29
bnchscheck if they have cairo graphics backendMar 28 15:29
mateylibGL What is libGL? OpenGL-based programs must link with the libGL library.libGL implements the GLX interface as well as the main OpenGL API entrypoints. When using indirect rendering, libGL creates GLX protocol messages and sends them to the X server via a socket. When using direct rendering, libGL loads the appropriate 3D DRI driver then dispatches OpenGL library calls directly to that driver.Mar 28 15:29
bnchswell opengl isnt a vendor "malice"Mar 28 15:30
activelowit is.Mar 28 15:30
bnchsas much as directxMar 28 15:30
bnchsor vendor proprirtary graphics interfaceMar 28 15:30
mateyhttps://www.opengl.org/ The Vulkan website has a new home and look!Mar 28 15:31
-altlink_63e/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: opengl.org | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.opengl.org/Mar 28 15:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.opengl.org | OpenGL - The Industry Standard for High Performance GraphicsMar 28 15:31
activelowthing is, gtk2/3 didn't require any libgl.so, and it was good.Mar 28 15:31
matey"It has been a while in the making but we are very excited to launch the new Vulkan website to the community. Don’t worry, Vulkan is still maintained and owned by The Khronos Group; we just felt that it had outgrown its old website now that it has been five years since the Vulkan 1.0 launch."Mar 28 15:31
MinceRgtk3 was already garbageMar 28 15:31
mateythis is vulkan bullshitMar 28 15:31
MinceRthey tossed out widgets used by gimp and built half a window manager in to support waylandows with CSDMar 28 15:31
activelowand i can assure you, gtk3 is fast and stable without opengl.Mar 28 15:31
bnchs"vulkan 1.0"Mar 28 15:31
bnchswhat do you mean by thisMar 28 15:32
activelowgtk3 can be used without any GNOME desktop or wayland server; which is what i do.Mar 28 15:32
mateyhttps://github.com/KhronosGroup/Mar 28 15:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Khronos Group · GitHubMar 28 15:32
MinceRthey also tend to turn off normal window decorations and render bloated, ugly, nonfunctional crapOSesque bullshit in their placeMar 28 15:32
MinceRgtk3 is an eyesore and the extra bloat is there even if you don't use itMar 28 15:32
mateymincer: did you notice kde is pushing wayland?Mar 28 15:32
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MinceRyeahMar 28 15:32
MinceRkde capitulated to gnomeMar 28 15:32
mateyi knowMar 28 15:32
MinceRat least their waylandows implementation is less braindeadMar 28 15:33
mateythey should call it gdeMar 28 15:33
MinceRit supports SSD instead of CSDMar 28 15:33
schestowitz-TR"hey kid, wanna try wayland?"Mar 28 15:33
MinceRlolMar 28 15:33
schestowitz-TR"live cd's free.."Mar 28 15:33
MinceRthey shouldn't call it anything, it's going awayMar 28 15:33
MinceRibm/deadrat and gnome do not want nor need kde to existMar 28 15:33
MinceRwhile the kde project decided to depend on systemd and waylandowsMar 28 15:33
bnchsheyMar 28 15:33
bnchswanna try out waylandMar 28 15:33
MinceRthat's a death spiralMar 28 15:33
mateyin my fork of the free software directory, kde apps are in the "who are we kidding" sectionMar 28 15:33
bnchs*hours later*Mar 28 15:34
activelowQT4/5 _always_ required libgl.so; so i removed this years ago already.Mar 28 15:34
bnchsoh you wanna record your desktop?Mar 28 15:34
bnchswhy the fuck would you want thatMar 28 15:34
bnchsthats TOO BADMar 28 15:34
MinceRand yeah, Qt also has half a window manager built into it for the same reasonMar 28 15:34
MinceRand afaik it has gone proprietaryMar 28 15:34
bnchsMinceR: like it was beforeMar 28 15:34
mateybnchs <- i want to understand what youre saying, but it seems like youre saying recordmydesktop (github) wont workMar 28 15:34
activelowfurthermore, GTK3 did _not_ require any of the systemd/dbus stuff. could have changed meanwhile; anyway, gtk3 was OK, and it is required for Gimp which some may want to have with a linux system.Mar 28 15:34
bnchsmatey: im talking about screen recorders and shit like OBSMar 28 15:35
MinceRgtk2 supported gimp better than gtk3 didMar 28 15:35
mateygtk supported the gui in general better than gtk3 didMar 28 15:35
mateygnome 3 was a farceMar 28 15:35
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bnchsthe nature of wayland is that wayland windows only have access to themselves and thats itMar 28 15:35
bnchsanything else is a black screenMar 28 15:35
activelowdidn't know; yet gtk2 disappears from the gentoo tree, and is rarely used anymore.Mar 28 15:36
mateythats too stupid to believeMar 28 15:36
mateyi literally dont believe itMar 28 15:36
activelowi hoped for the directfb rendering backend for GTK3 was functional (it still exists), yet i didn't have any luck with it.Mar 28 15:36
activelowbecause then gtk3 applications could have been used directly with framebuffer console, without any X11/wayland.Mar 28 15:37
bnchsyeah wellMar 28 15:37
mateyKooha is a simple GTK-based screen recording application for recording screens and audio from your desktop or microphone. It works in GNOME, Wayland and X11 environments which probably makes it the single Linux screen recorder with Wayland support. It uses a basic, widget-type user interface with easy-to-understand icons.Mar 28 15:37
bnchstoo badMar 28 15:37
bnchsi'm oretty sure you can do opengl to framebufferMar 28 15:37
bnchsif you wantMar 28 15:37
bnchsmatey: im gonna checkMar 28 15:38
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matey/me is still against wayland, simply doesnt believe it will end screen recordingsMar 28 15:38
mateyfor one, screen recordings have not ceased to existMar 28 15:39
mateyyou can still find themMar 28 15:39
mateythough that isnt proof, it does suggest this is not one of waylands many faultsMar 28 15:39
bnchsits actually an issueMar 28 15:39
mateyif on the other hand, you can find screen recordings where many windows are blacked outMar 28 15:39
mateythat is somethingMar 28 15:39
bnchsCurrently, Wayland doesn’t support screen capture with usual apps.Mar 28 15:40
bnchsOne of the features of Wayland is its security design, which helps to guard the user against malicious apps. Apps can no longer see everything on the screen and spy on youMar 28 15:40
matey"Screen recording software that works with Wayland ? I have been searching for a screen recorder on ubuntu 18.04 and all of them gave me black screen because they don't support wayland (i think), the only one worked was green recorder but it has no pause button and it's really hard to record tutorials without it."Mar 28 15:40
mateythats from redditMar 28 15:41
bnchsyeahMar 28 15:41
bnchsits a side effect of wayland's security designMar 28 15:41
mateyso you need a wayland based screen recorderMar 28 15:41
bnchsno screen recordingMar 28 15:41
mateyif you want to record the screen with waylandMar 28 15:41
mateywhat they did was break non-wayland-based screen recordersMar 28 15:42
mateyfrom the discord website "You can screenshare on discord on Wayland with pipewire. This can however be a little difficult to setup particularly on sway. I think the black screen is an issue with electron though i think the xdg-desktop-portal-wlr FAQ has details on this. 3. cube."Mar 28 15:43
bnchsbecause of their securiy designMar 28 15:43
mateymmhmmMar 28 15:43
bnchsit prevents programs including screen recordersMar 28 15:43
bnchsfrom seeing what you doMar 28 15:43
mateyfrom osnewsMar 28 15:43
matey"The MESA drivers already have wayland specific code in them and would have included screen sharing if only wayland had specified an API for it. Nothing like being wrong. You don't in fact need a different API/ABI to the mesa one to screen capture under Wayland as application. Just you need enough privilege to get the DMA BUF of the output."Mar 28 15:43
bnchsyeahMar 28 15:44
bnchsso no screen sharingMar 28 15:44
mateyanyway im no fan of wayland, happy to not have it installedMar 28 15:44
bnchsthis is bad for people who streamMar 28 15:44
mateyas far as i know i dont have it installedMar 28 15:44
bnchsstreaming games and shitMar 28 15:44
mateywell personally im against kde now for the additional reason that it pushes waylandMar 28 15:45
mateyi was already against it for other reasons (plural)Mar 28 15:45
mateyive been against kde since 4 came outMar 28 15:45
psydruidI can understand x11 needed to be replaced but did that imply buggy Wayland implementations?Mar 28 15:45
mateyI can understand x11 needed to be replaced but did that imply buggy Wayland implementations? <- typically, as the industry gets worseMar 28 15:45
mateyimprovements get worse tooMar 28 15:45
mateythe problem is takeoverMar 28 15:45
mateytakeover is bad for upgrades and othergrades alikeMar 28 15:45
mateyopengl is going vulkan, i guess (im not really sure there are so many layers)Mar 28 15:46
mateyvulkan is githubMar 28 15:46
mateylibgl is openglMar 28 15:46
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mateyso presumably libgl will be github even though libgl is developed elsewhereMar 28 15:46
techrights-newsJust realised that at my desk I have six cameras pointing right at me, webcams but most of them covered with tapeMar 28 15:47
mateyjust as harfbuzz is github and required by gnu emacs (unless you use the text only version)Mar 28 15:47
mateyi think harfbuzz comes with gnome but im not certainMar 28 15:47
schestowitz-TRpsydruid: I don't know xorg codeMar 28 15:48
schestowitz-TRI hear it is good codeMar 28 15:48
mateyits not greatMar 28 15:48
schestowitz-TRmuch stuff was written for it or with it in mineMar 28 15:48
schestowitz-TRyou say it needs replacing Mar 28 15:48
bnchsmatey: harfbuzz is for shit like arabicMar 28 15:48
schestowitz-TRI never saw compelling reasons. They mention mobile and memory and allMar 28 15:48
bnchsi dont know why would emacs require itMar 28 15:48
schestowitz-TRdo they REALISE how much RAM mobiles have today???Mar 28 15:48
matey<bnchs> matey: harfbuzz is for shit like arabic <- if thats your argument you might as well throw out unicode tooMar 28 15:49
schestowitz-TREven low end 'smart' phones have more than my laptops'Mar 28 15:49
mateyharfbuzz is definitely about more than which direction text goes inMar 28 15:49
bnchsnoMar 28 15:49
bnchsharfbuzz is for languages that like to mergr characters togetherMar 28 15:49
mateylots of languages like to merge characters togetherMar 28 15:50
bnchsand rtl and maybe overlaysMar 28 15:50
mateyi believe this includes kanjiMar 28 15:50
schestowitz-TRI could write arabic beforMar 28 15:50
schestowitz-TR(forgot it though... can releard fast)Mar 28 15:50
schestowitz-TR(relearn)Mar 28 15:51
schestowitz-TRmatey: arabic is a very useful language, very widely usedMar 28 15:51
schestowitz-TRharfbuzz I know little aboutMar 28 15:51
schestowitz-TRis there a competiting lib without shitlab?Mar 28 15:51
mateyprobably notMar 28 15:51
mateythough if you dont use the gui you can stay harfbuzz free :)Mar 28 15:52
mateynote i have at least one program that does use the guiMar 28 15:52
schestowitz-TRwait, noMar 28 15:52
mateyi have two instances of it open next to this windowMar 28 15:52
mateyand its my own programMar 28 15:52
schestowitz-TReven in the cli you can combine lettersMar 28 15:52
schestowitz-TRassuming unicideMar 28 15:52
mateyhowever it doesnt use harfbuzzMar 28 15:52
schestowitz-TRaarabic with letters isolated does not look "right"Mar 28 15:53
matey<schestowitz-TR> even in the cli you can combine letters <- im not sure this is accurate but it IS what i was saying beforeMar 28 15:53
mateyin other words i think it may be accurate.Mar 28 15:53
mateyi couldnt tell you how thoughMar 28 15:53
schestowitz-TRso one option is to compel the package to move to its own hostingMar 28 15:53
Ariadnei had to touch a windows 11 computer todayMar 28 15:53
schestowitz-TRanother is wait for Microsoft/ShitHub to collapseMar 28 15:54
Ariadnewhat the hell happened thereMar 28 15:54
schestowitz-TRanother is, find a better/othr libMar 28 15:54
mateystackoverflow.com/questions/2224772/whats-the-unicode-glyph-used-to-indicate-combining-charactersMar 28 15:54
schestowitz-TRAriadne: I did on SaturdayMar 28 15:54
schestowitz-TRI was astoundedMar 28 15:54
schestowitz-TRit's worse than VistaMar 28 15:54
bnchsariadne: wash your handsMar 28 15:54
matey<schestowitz-TR> another is, find a better/othr lib <- the fact that emacs users pull it in is unfortunateMar 28 15:54
mateyfunnily enough the harfbuzz author openly hates microsoftMar 28 15:54
schestowitz-TRuglier, slower, more oppressiveMar 28 15:54
mateyand yet moved his library to github. go figure.Mar 28 15:54
bnchsyou might spread advertatis to your file managerMar 28 15:54
schestowitz-TRmatey: what year/Mar 28 15:55
schestowitz-TRmaybe stockholmMar 28 15:55
schestowitz-TRI had stockholm with SUSE for a year or twoMar 28 15:55
schestowitz-TRstockholm syndromeMar 28 15:55
schestowitz-TRI did not delete SUSE right awayMar 28 15:55
mateybonus: harfbuzz is both github and an anti-rms signerMar 28 15:55
schestowitz-TRI decommissioned that machine when I next set up my workstationMar 28 15:55
Ariadnebnchs: strangely i have plenty of other proprietary UNIX machinesMar 28 15:55
Ariadnenone of which have advertisements in their file managersMar 28 15:56
schestowitz-TRand require email/microsoft account to startMar 28 15:56
schestowitz-TRto log inMar 28 15:56
schestowitz-TRno login, no sign inMar 28 15:56
schestowitz-TRand cortanaMar 28 15:56
schestowitz-TRyou turn on a machine and it talks/recordsMar 28 15:56
schestowitz-TRwithout consentMar 28 15:56
bnchsariadne: yeah butMar 28 15:56
MinceRhttps://existentialcomics.com/comic/438Mar 28 15:56
schestowitz-TRprior to any EULAMar 28 15:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-existentialcomics.com | Utilitarian Strategies - Existential ComicsMar 28 15:56
bnchsthey willMar 28 15:56
bnchsif you dont wash your handsMar 28 15:57
Ariadnei mean, they won't, because that will require those companies to still existMar 28 15:57
AriadneSGI isn't coming back from the deadMar 28 15:57
schestowitz-TRi thought SGI is still 'aloive'Mar 28 15:57
schestowitz-TRnot the company per seMar 28 15:57
schestowitz-TRthe engineers flocked to the GPU companiesMar 28 15:57
Ariadnepart of HPE now i guessMar 28 15:57
schestowitz-TRso SGI work, talent, staff moved to the home marketMar 28 15:58
bnchssgi brought us openglMar 28 15:58
psydruidand xfsMar 28 15:58
bnchsmicrosoft didnt bring us directx (atleast in open standard)Mar 28 15:58
bnchsnor their ntfsMar 28 15:58
schestowitz-TRI am not sure if ATI or NVIDIA were partly created by laid off or diaspora of SGI staffMar 28 15:58
Ariadnei guess my mac could metastasize an advertisement or two Mar 28 15:59
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schestowitzhttps://www.eetimes.com/sgi-graphics-team-moves-to-nvidia/Mar 28 15:59
schestowitzhttps://www.eetimes.com/sgi-restructures-graphics-team-to-join-nvidia/Mar 28 15:59
Ariadnedon't think my alpine or fedora machines (running KDE) would ever gain any advertsMar 28 15:59
matey<schestowitz-TR> matey: what year/ <- pull requests date back to feb 2013 so this suggests that its been there for a whileMar 28 15:59
bnchssgi's opengl is very usefulMar 28 15:59
schestowitzkilled by Microsoft moleMar 28 15:59
schestowitzlike HPMar 28 15:59
bnchsand way better than directxMar 28 16:00
schestowitzand NokiaMar 28 16:00
mateyissues are unreliable for dating migrations-- ive seen issues dating back to before github existedMar 28 16:00
schestowitzhttps://www.theregister.com/2006/05/13/sgi_belluzzo/Mar 28 16:00
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schestowitzbelluzzoMar 28 16:00
Ariadnebnchs: comparing directx and opengl is comparing apples to orangesMar 28 16:00
bnchsdirect3dMar 28 16:00
Ariadnedirect3d is more like ClutterMar 28 16:00
schestowitzAndrew OrlowskiMar 28 16:00
schestowitzpsydruid:  knows belluzzoMar 28 16:00
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Ariadnethere is direct3d "direct" mode, that is like opengl, but that's only since direct3d 9 or soMar 28 16:01
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2011/05/04/stephen-elop-and-richard-belluzzo/ https://techrights.org/2013/12/31/microsoft-moles/Mar 28 16:01
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schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2011/05/04/stephen-elop-and-richard-belluzzo/ https://techrights.org/2013/12/31/microsoft-moles/Mar 28 16:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft’s Elop is Like Rick Belluzzo – Hijacks Nokia, Sells to Microsoft, Then Exits | TechrightsMar 28 16:01
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mateyU+034F is the "combining grapheme joiner" (CGJ) and has no visible glyph. Codepoints U+035C-0362 are double diacritics, diacritic signs placed across two letters.Mar 28 16:01
techrights-newsVideos/Shows: LINUX Unplugged, Steam Deck, Free Software Security on Back Doors in Microsoft’s NPM, and GNU World Order • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163070Mar 28 16:03
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techrights-newsBullshit buzzwords something something cars... blah blah blah... journalism dead. https://www.maketecheasier.com/5g-cars/Mar 28 16:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | 5G Becoming Increasingly More Important to Cars - Make Tech EasierMar 28 16:03
mateymisnomer, it doesnt do what the name implies ^Mar 28 16:03
mateyThe Combining Grapheme Joiner isn't actually a joiner, more like a separatorMar 28 16:04
matey/me is so glad unicode makes senseMar 28 16:04
activelowanother one: i am missing two minor packages inside the no-c++ base system of BaphometOS, packages which require CMake (and with it forbidden c++); and there seems no fast and easy way to migrate a cmake project to ordinary makeMar 28 16:04
activelowand the generated make files from cmake are clutteredMar 28 16:04
techrights-newsFirst batch of KVM patches for 5.18 https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220321173215.2824704-1-pbonzini@redhat.com/Mar 28 16:06
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bnchs5g is important to carsMar 28 16:07
bnchslike really importantMar 28 16:07
bnchsbecause we need to know where you areMar 28 16:07
XRevan86"and there seems no fast and easy way to migrate a cmake project to ordinary make" <- This phrase belongs in a museum.Mar 28 16:07
XRevan86matey: ^Mar 28 16:07
bnchscmake is shitMar 28 16:08
techrights-newsMicrosoft is crime http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162988#comment-33220Mar 28 16:08
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bnchsmeson doesnt require c+jMar 28 16:08
bnchsc++*Mar 28 16:08
XRevan86(not the point)Mar 28 16:08
techrights-news[GIT PULL] Power management updates for v5.18-rc1 - Rafael J. Wysocki ⚓ https://lore.kernel.org/linux-acpi/CAJZ5v0i+dDvX2J7CHfawmFXynifkNZ-0ZHYnraYv-HYJN5bdbA@mail.gmail.com/ ䷉ Source: kernel | linux | mailMar 28 16:09
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activelowXRevan86: i should have said automake/autotools instead; migrating cmake to automakeMar 28 16:09
activelowanyway, c++ dependency of CMake is the point with it;Mar 28 16:09
bnchsyeahMar 28 16:09
bnchsuse mesonMar 28 16:09
bnchsit does require pythonMar 28 16:10
bnchswhich only requires c9oMar 28 16:10
bnchsc99*Mar 28 16:10
activelowbnchs: ninja too requires c++; however, someone re-implemented it as samurai, which saved BaphometOSMar 28 16:10
techrights-news[GIT PULL] hardening updates for v5.18-rc1 - Kees Cook ⚓ https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/202203210755.C56A4CD5@keescook/ ䷉ Source: keescook | linux | kernel | hackingMar 28 16:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lore.kernel.org | [GIT PULL] hardening updates for v5.18-rc1 - Kees CookMar 28 16:10
bnchsyeahMar 28 16:10
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bnchssamurai+mesonMar 28 16:10
XRevan86activelow: Doesn't even matter, building scripts can get very complex, a trivial way of migrating is as possible as making a migration from Java to Raku.Mar 28 16:11
mateyἓν οἶδα ὅτι οὐδὲν οἶδαMar 28 16:11
bnchsactivelow: tell me whats baphometOSMar 28 16:11
mateyits his distributionMar 28 16:11
mateyvery minimalistMar 28 16:11
mateystrips the need for c++ outMar 28 16:11
activelowamong other thingsMar 28 16:12
mateyolder version of linux kernel, older version of gccMar 28 16:12
mateybecause newest ones require c++ for bootstrapping the c compilerMar 28 16:12
mateyplus it strips out things that require non-free gpus Mar 28 16:12
activelowkernel v5.10; i won't bother with patching away C11 from any later kernel version for a whileMar 28 16:12
schestowitzbnchs: https://mesonbuild.com/Getting-meson.htmlMar 28 16:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mesonbuild.com | Getting MesonMar 28 16:13
bnchsi'm gonna write my program in C+JMar 28 16:13
schestowitz"Meson releases can be downloaded from the GitHub release page, and you can run ./meson.py from inside a release or the git repository itself without doing anything special."Mar 28 16:13
psydruidοὐδὲν οἶδαMar 28 16:13
schestowitzThat's how I remembered itMar 28 16:13
bnchsc++Mar 28 16:13
bnchsschestowitz: damn itMar 28 16:13
mateypsydruid: im testing graphemes in programs i know dont support harfbuzzMar 28 16:13
schestowitzc=c++; printf(c)Mar 28 16:13
mateyincluding my editor (tk doesnt use harfbuzz)Mar 28 16:13
mateythe problem is, i dont know how to test grapheme output, so im guessing based on the dearth of understandable information onlineMar 28 16:14
schestowitzbnchs: do you still use your own editor?Mar 28 16:14
schestowitzit runs on my debian 10 boxMar 28 16:14
activelowbtw. BaphometOS isn't as minimal as some might expect; because the entire gentoo tooling is available, including crossdev,catalyst,portageMar 28 16:14
bnchswhat editor?Mar 28 16:14
mateyi think hes having autocomplete issues againMar 28 16:15
psydruid من فارسی بلدم و هم کمی عربی یاد میگیرمMar 28 16:15
schestowitzhe wrote one Mar 28 16:15
schestowitzyou ca chain it with ii to make it an irc client in one day's workMar 28 16:15
mateypsydruid من فارسی بلدم و هم می عربی یاد مییرم <- no harfbuzzMar 28 16:15
bnchsmatey: thats because harfbuzz just combines arabic charactersMar 28 16:16
mateythats copied from irc to xterm to an editor with no harfbuzz then copied back to ircMar 28 16:16
mateybnchs: i dont understandMar 28 16:16
Ariadneits a rendering thingMar 28 16:16
psydruidah, some characters disappearMar 28 16:16
mateyah, some characters disappear <- good to know, not surprisingMar 28 16:16
mateyi wouldnt have noticedMar 28 16:16
mateysquiggly languages are not my friendMar 28 16:17
psydruidگ in this caseMar 28 16:17
schestowitzi did noticeMar 28 16:17
mateyarabic is one of MANYMar 28 16:17
schestowitztwo at leastMar 28 16:17
psydruidک tooMar 28 16:17
schestowitz𝓣𝓾𝔁 𝓜𝓪𝓬𝓱𝓲𝓷𝓮𝓼Mar 28 16:17
mateythere are plenty of asian countries with some very obscure squiggly languages most people havent even heard ofMar 28 16:17
schestowitz𝓣𝓮𝓬𝓱𝓻𝓲𝓰𝓱𝓽𝓼Mar 28 16:18
mateythe problem is, i cant tell one squiggle from anotherMar 28 16:18
Ariadneyeah please don't do thatMar 28 16:18
Ariadneit makes screen readers dieMar 28 16:18
mateynice of unicode to break text foreverMar 28 16:18
AriadneMATHEMATICAL CONSTANT TMar 28 16:18
mateyi mean, its a good ideaMar 28 16:18
mateythe implementation is a bit of a cyberweaponMar 28 16:18
Ariadneyes text is badMar 28 16:18
Ariadnecomputers are also badMar 28 16:19
mateycomputers are annoyingMar 28 16:19
Ariadnei've just stopped caring and have learned to pet goats insteadMar 28 16:19
mateygoats used to be considered evil. that was before unicode though.Mar 28 16:19
mateygoats are the lesser evil now.Mar 28 16:19
bnchsAriadne: how does text readers read thisMar 28 16:20
matey/me has only met nice goats personallyMar 28 16:20
Ariadnebnchs: dunno, don't have any enabled on this machineMar 28 16:20
bnchs_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\Mar 28 16:20
AriadneoMar 28 16:20
bnchsunder score back slashMar 28 16:20
AriadneyesMar 28 16:20
Ariadnelike thatMar 28 16:20
AriadneusualyMar 28 16:20
Ariadneapple's voiceover has some algorithm where it figures out its being trolled and stops reading that crapMar 28 16:21
Ariadnewindows narrator, is well, a microsoft product, so i'm sure it's terribleMar 28 16:21
mateyor it became terrible after they purchased itMar 28 16:22
bnchsyeah and thisMar 28 16:22
bnchsw_\Mar 28 16:22
bnchsdouble u under score back slashMar 28 16:22
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techrights-newsGet rid of annoying Polkit password prompts https://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/view/26061/home-use-only-get-rid-of-annoying-polkit-password-promptsMar 28 16:23
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bnchswhat if it reads double u under score back slash many timesMar 28 16:23
bnchstheres many text readers (or text to speech)Mar 28 16:26
bnchsthat dont give a shit about what they're readingMar 28 16:26
mateythat dont give a shit about what they're reading <- theyre probably used less by people who need a good oneMar 28 16:26
techrights-newsToday’s #HowTos | #UNIX • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163071Mar 28 16:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesMar 28 16:27
mateyof course you could write some kind of algorithim to put between those and whats being readMar 28 16:27
mateythats the nice thing about algorithmsMar 28 16:27
bnchsespecially when they're used for reading donation messagesMar 28 16:28
bnchsdoes it know when its reading an offensive messageMar 28 16:28
bnchslike "hitler did nothing wrong"Mar 28 16:28
Ariadnei dont think so :PMar 28 16:29
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bnchsor maybe glass of juiceMar 28 16:30
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schestowitz-TRgermany almost ran out of juiceMar 28 16:40
schestowitz-TRthen he diedMar 28 16:40
schestowitz-TRbtw, twitter is crap when it comes to moderationMar 28 16:41
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schestowitz-TRthey just run word countersMar 28 16:41
schestowitz-TRlike mention "5g" and something "covid"Mar 28 16:41
schestowitz-TRor bill gates and "patents"Mar 28 16:42
schestowitz-TRthen you're in troubleMar 28 16:42
schestowitz-TRof "memphis"Mar 28 16:42
schestowitz-TRcompanies are cheapMar 28 16:42
schestowitz-TRthey outsource developmentMar 28 16:42
schestowitz-TRthey outsource censorshipMar 28 16:42
schestowitz-TRor try to automate itMar 28 16:42
schestowitz-TRand if they get it wrong, it's still economically "OK"Mar 28 16:42
schestowitz-TR"worth the savings"Mar 28 16:42
schestowitz-TRtwitter sometimes bans people who speak back to nazisMar 28 16:43
schestowitz-TRand the nazis get a laughMar 28 16:43
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mateythats the thing about playing hero with bullies and their victimsMar 28 16:43
mateythe bullies can exploit the efforts to be a hero as wellMar 28 16:44
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mateythis is why every coc is doomed to be a catastropheMar 28 16:44
schestowitz-TRnorbert said "did it again"Mar 28 16:44
schestowitz-TRthat was misinterpretedMar 28 16:44
schestowitz-TRby a person whose first language is not englishMar 28 16:44
schestowitz-TRit was seen as misgenderingMar 28 16:44
schestowitz-TRbut "it" meant trollingMar 28 16:44
schestowitz-TRwhen picking on ted tsoMar 28 16:45
schestowitz-TRafter doing linuxMar 28 16:45
schestowitz-TRtrying to cancel him and failingMar 28 16:45
schestowitz-TR?*linusMar 28 16:45
mateyi know tso was cancelled (or they tried)Mar 28 16:45
schestowitz-TRand later they wonder why he quit debianMar 28 16:45
mateybut i didnt know it was for misgenderingMar 28 16:45
schestowitz-TRafter domition to DMMar 28 16:45
schestowitz-TRhe's in archlinuc nowMar 28 16:45
schestowitz-TR*archlinuxMar 28 16:45
schestowitz-TRmatey: you got it wrong, let me clarify what happenedMar 28 16:46
mateygoodMar 28 16:46
schestowitz-TRtso wrote many years ago about rape statisticsMar 28 16:46
mateyoh boyMar 28 16:46
schestowitz-TRmany many years later a shit developer from intel used thatMar 28 16:46
schestowitz-TRto scare tsoMar 28 16:46
schestowitz-TRremember tso is right up there with greg khMar 28 16:46
schestowitz-TRI think dev #3Mar 28 16:46
mateyhe wasMar 28 16:46
schestowitz-TRso norbert saw itMar 28 16:46
schestowitz-TRand he said the troll did it again... tso after linusMar 28 16:46
mateygkh is more of a "team player" with "teams" like gafamMar 28 16:46
schestowitz-TRthat was then spun as intoleranceMar 28 16:46
schestowitz-TRto me, the intolerance was the trollingMar 28 16:47
schestowitz-TRaiming at high-profile longtime linux devsMar 28 16:47
mateyit can be Mar 28 16:47
schestowitz-TRwho literally put together extXMar 28 16:47
mateylike i said earlier, feminism isnt a problemMar 28 16:47
mateyweaponising feminism against certain things is a problemMar 28 16:47
techrights-newsThis is a self-selecting survey, so it'll never be accurate or anywhere near complete https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/update-pc-info-202203/Mar 28 16:48
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bnchscancel culture is retardedMar 28 16:48
matey15:44 <matey> the bullies can exploit the efforts to be a hero as wellMar 28 16:48
matey15:44 <matey> this is why every coc is doomed to be a catastropheMar 28 16:48
bnchsthe whole point of it is isolating someone because they had a different opinionMar 28 16:48
bnchsinstead of being matureMar 28 16:48
schestowitz-TRthe opinion can predate the cocMar 28 16:49
schestowitz-TRand also ignore social dynamicsMar 28 16:49
mateyof coruseMar 28 16:49
schestowitz-TRlike views on some diversity issue 20 years agoMar 28 16:49
mateyhey you were intolerant of something in 1982Mar 28 16:49
schestowitz-TRso you are accountable for things said when the majority of society was polled as thinking the same wayMar 28 16:49
mateyand that makes some people uncomfortableMar 28 16:49
mateyand youll have to leaveMar 28 16:49
matey"i started this project"Mar 28 16:49
mateydoesnt matter! rules are rulesMar 28 16:49
mateyyou can start your OWN projectMar 28 16:50
matey"but it..."Mar 28 16:50
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mateyits so stupidMar 28 16:50
bnchsCOCs can make people self-censorMar 28 16:50
bnchsand be afraid of what to sayMar 28 16:50
mateycan <- doMar 28 16:50
techrights-news"ICYMI: we're close to 2,000 titles rated either Verified or Playable." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/100-orange-juice-gets-steam-deck-verified-thanks-to-supporting-steam-input/Mar 28 16:51
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bnchsand whether to say it Mar 28 16:51
mateyyeah i didnt want to go to libreplanet even before cocs were a thingMar 28 16:51
mateythe policy just seemed too...Mar 28 16:51
mateybut i was SURE i was overreactingMar 28 16:51
mateyand then they cancelled rms and i was likeMar 28 16:51
mateywelp, guess i was rightMar 28 16:51
bnchsself-censoring is the point of COCMar 28 16:51
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techrights-newsPortal 2: Desolation is looking great in the graphics overhaul | GamingOnLinux ⚓ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/portal-2-desolation-is-looking-great-in-the-graphics-overhaul/ ䷉ Source: Gaming On Linux | GNU | Linux | GamesMar 28 16:51
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bnchsit scares peopleMar 28 16:51
mateyself-censorship is the point of censorshipMar 28 16:52
schestowitz-TRtso opposes ms file systems in linuxMar 28 16:52
schestowitz-TRbut did not say enoughMar 28 16:52
mateyyoure always expected to help them do itMar 28 16:52
schestowitz-TRthat was years agoMar 28 16:52
schestowitz-TRwhen they pushed exfat into linuxMar 28 16:52
schestowitz-TRnot extXMar 28 16:52
schestowitz-TRexFATMar 28 16:52
schestowitz-TRwith patentsMar 28 16:52
schestowitz-TRtso spoke outMar 28 16:52
schestowitz-TRit was not enoughMar 28 16:52
schestowitz-TReveryone looking at each other in the roomMar 28 16:52
Digithey, uh, i dont suppose the techrights guy/team have assembled a team to take over joindiaspora have they?   &Mar 28 16:52
bnchsschestowitz: just implement fat32 onlyMar 28 16:52
mateyat least he didnt say microsoft patents on twitterMar 28 16:52
schestowitz-TR"Can we SAY that?"Mar 28 16:52
schestowitz-TRWelcome COCMar 28 16:52
bnchsexFAT is uselessMar 28 16:52
schestowitz-TRthe silent dictatorMar 28 16:52
bnchsCOC makes you say "can we say that"Mar 28 16:53
bnchshaving a different opinion is badMar 28 16:53
mateyit is a lot harder to say anything with a coc in your mouth.Mar 28 16:53
schestowitz-TRobedient societyMar 28 16:54
bnchsyeah and the only way is to keep sucking itMar 28 16:54
schestowitz-TR"better say nothing"Mar 28 16:54
schestowitz-TR"it might offend some companies"Mar 28 16:54
schestowitz-TRMicrosoft is criminalMar 28 16:54
schestowitz-TRcan I say that?Mar 28 16:55
schestowitz-TRno.Mar 28 16:55
schestowitz-TRit's worse than bribingMar 28 16:55
mateylinus torvalds won his own "dick sucking contest" (his words)Mar 28 16:55
schestowitz-TR"you are fired"Mar 28 16:55
schestowitz-TR"For speaking about our crimes"Mar 28 16:55
schestowitz-TRmatey: no, he lostMar 28 16:55
schestowitz-TRthe crap ended up in the kernelMar 28 16:55
schestowitz-TRand now Microsoft pretends "secure" boot is "accepted" by LinuxMar 28 16:55
mateywhat i mean is, he ended up submittingMar 28 16:55
schestowitz-TRthere were antitrust complaintsMar 28 16:55
schestowitz-TRICBM (well, Red Crap back then) helped thwart theseMar 28 16:56
schestowitz-TRlike Go-OO doing OOXMLMar 28 16:56
bnchsyesMar 28 16:56
bnchsyou cant speak out against microsoftMar 28 16:57
bnchsbecause you'll get kicked outMar 28 16:57
schestowitz-TRbtw, a lot of linus jokes are finnish culturallyMar 28 16:57
bnchssuck the dick if you want to contribute to linux kernelMar 28 16:57
schestowitz-TRhe should make a CoC complaintsMar 28 16:57
schestowitz-TRfor people rejecting his cultureMar 28 16:57
schestowitz-TRthat's intolerantMar 28 16:57
mateyonce youre branded, youre denied protectionMar 28 16:57
mateybecause you could "abuse the system" against your attackers the way they did against youMar 28 16:58
mateyrule #1 of cancel culture is youre not allowed to winMar 28 16:58
schestowitz-TR"eversism"Mar 28 16:58
schestowitz-TRthe troll calls itMar 28 16:58
schestowitz-TRin the gnome coc iircMar 28 16:58
schestowitz-TR"no reversism"Mar 28 16:58
schestowitz-TRI can say "fuck all men"Mar 28 16:58
bnchsreversism is racistMar 28 16:58
schestowitz-TRbut they cannot say the oppositeMar 28 16:58
bnchsand sexismMar 28 16:58
schestowitz-TRand they don't mean fuck _literallyMar 28 16:58
bnchsbut they deny itMar 28 16:58
mateyit used to be called hypocrisyMar 28 16:58
schestowitz-TRbut the coc saysMar 28 16:58
schestowitz-TRno reverismMar 28 16:58
schestowitz-TRor something similar to thatMar 28 16:59
bnchs"oh its not racist nor sexist because they're BAD"Mar 28 16:59
schestowitz-TRthe claim of parity two-waysMar 28 16:59
bnchsthey're rapistsMar 28 16:59
techrights-ipfs-bot ▕  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▇▆▅▆▇▇▅▂▆▅▃▃▄▃▄▄▇▆▆▇▅▅▆▇▆▅▄▅▄▅▆▅▅▁ avg(k/sec) 28.91 ▕  IPFS upstream: ▂▁▂▂▂▂▂█▂▃█▁▁▂▃▁▂▁▁▂▂▁▂▂█▂▁▂█▁▁▂▁ avg(k/sec) 48.18▕ swarm size (avg): 303.98  ⟲Mar 28 16:59
mateynow its "reversism" which is holding things to their own standardsMar 28 16:59
schestowitz-TRit's about who shoots firstMar 28 16:59
bnchswhite men are big rapistsMar 28 16:59
schestowitz-TRlike a literal ICBMMar 28 16:59
mateymaklunky shot firstMar 28 16:59
schestowitz-TRit's a huge advantage to be first to launchMar 28 16:59
schestowitz-TResp. if the enemy is not on high alert with warheads PRE-loadedMar 28 16:59
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2015/10/07/forking-with-hypocrisy/Mar 28 17:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Hypocrite Forks the Linux Kernel Because of Cultural Characteristics That He Himself is Guilty of | TechrightsMar 28 17:00
bnchsreverismMar 28 17:00
schestowitzby the time you respondMar 28 17:00
mateyforking hypocritesMar 28 17:00
schestowitzthere are already 15 articlesMar 28 17:00
schestowitzcalling you namesMar 28 17:00
bnchsreversism is in itself racist and sexist concetMar 28 17:00
bnchsthey should get rid of itMar 28 17:01
mateyjust get rid of gnomeMar 28 17:01
mateysolve more than one problem at onceMar 28 17:01
schestowitzhttp://www.networkworld.com/article/2988850/opensource-subnet/linux-kernel-dev-sarah-sharp-quits-citing-brutal-communications-style.htmlMar 28 17:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.networkworld.com | Linux community acts after years of complaints like Sarah Sharp's | Network WorldMar 28 17:01
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/10/06/linix_kernel_dev_who_asked_linus_torvalds_to_stop_swearing_quits_over_swearing/Mar 28 17:01
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Linux kernel dev who asked Linus Torvalds to stop verbal abuse quits over verbal abuse • The RegisterMar 28 17:01
bnchsits no longer "everyone's equal"Mar 28 17:01
schestowitzhttp://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-developer-who-took-on-linus-torvalds-over-abuse-quits-toxic-kernel-community/Mar 28 17:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-​Linux developer who took on Linus Torvalds over abuse quits 'toxic' kernel community | ZDNetMar 28 17:01
schestowitzbrutalMar 28 17:01
schestowitztoxicMar 28 17:01
schestowitzabuseMar 28 17:01
bnchsits "some people are equaler than others"Mar 28 17:01
schestowitztoo late, linus, better not respondMar 28 17:01
schestowitztake cover, he's a table, duckMar 28 17:02
matey<bnchs> its "some people are equaler than others" <-Mar 28 17:02
schestowitz*here'sMar 28 17:02
mateyof course you cant say that, because its only true in the context youre saying it inMar 28 17:02
mateytheres SOME OTHER CONTEXT where youre completely wrongMar 28 17:02
mateythat means youre wrongMar 28 17:02
mateyso you cant say itMar 28 17:02
mateyits totally fair to be totally unfair if theres some other context where it all works out and comes out evenMar 28 17:03
mateymaybe its collective guilt, but thats just a detailMar 28 17:03
*schestowitz-TR waits for first CoC complaint for food at some LF conference not being halalMar 28 17:03
bnchsschestowitz-TR: alcohol is haramMar 28 17:03
matey/me bets it wont be a muslim who makes the complaintMar 28 17:03
bnchsdont put alcoholMar 28 17:04
bnchsno no no pork???Mar 28 17:04
bnchsdont put ham sandwichsMar 28 17:04
schestowitzhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9070197/Jordan-Henderson-says-champagne-sprayed-Liverpools-Premier-League-trophy-lift-non-alcoholic.htmlMar 28 17:04
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailymail.co.uk | Jordan Henderson says champagne sprayed in Liverpool's Premier League trophy lift was non-alcoholic | Daily Mail OnlineMar 28 17:04
schestowitz"omg, I felty so violeted"Mar 28 17:04
mateyyou can go to muslim-ownen groceries IN PAKISTAN and buy porkMar 28 17:04
schestowitzI was touched by some alcoholMar 28 17:04
mateyits in a separate section of the store of courseMar 28 17:05
schestowitzI wonder who made the complaint to even lead to thatMar 28 17:05
bnchsomg theres alcoholMar 28 17:05
mateyand muslims do not buyu itMar 28 17:05
bnchsim making complainsMar 28 17:05
schestowitzthey buy itMar 28 17:05
mateybut not everyone who shops there is muslimMar 28 17:05
bnchsmatey: thats trueMar 28 17:05
schestowitzbut quietlyMar 28 17:05
schestowitzeven in saudi arabiaMar 28 17:05
schestowitzand do coke, tooMar 28 17:05
bnchsyou're also wrong in muslims not buying itMar 28 17:06
bnchsthey buy it secretlyMar 28 17:06
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mateyi mean the observant onesMar 28 17:06
bnchswhy else our streets be filled with empty wine bottlesMar 28 17:06
bnchsand shitMar 28 17:06
schestowitzyou just give them one more thing to get in trouble forMar 28 17:06
schestowitzlike, if they're a journalismMar 28 17:06
schestowitzyou can arrest them for something like sharing itMar 28 17:06
schestowitzor just use that t  discredit themMar 28 17:06
schestowitzlike if they flew somewhere and had a glass of wine on the planeMar 28 17:07
schestowitzand someone across the aisle saw itMar 28 17:07
bnchskosher foodsMar 28 17:07
bnchshalal foodsMar 28 17:07
bnchsvegan foodsMar 28 17:07
schestowitz"sure, he exposed corruption, but he's immoral, I saw him telling the flight attendant when asked what drink he want a can of beer"Mar 28 17:07
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2019/07/28/linux-foundation-microsoft-outsourcing/Mar 28 17:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | People From Half a Dozen Countries May be Banned From Participating in the Linux Foundation Because It’s Outsourcing Many Projects to Microsoft/GitHub | TechrightsMar 28 17:08
schestowitzzemlin:Mar 28 17:08
schestowitzi'm all about toleranceMar 28 17:08
schestowitzI married an indianMar 28 17:08
schestowitzbut I ban arab countriesMar 28 17:08
schestowitzthat's coolMar 28 17:08
schestowitzbecause trump told me toMar 28 17:08
schestowitzalrighty, mr. zemlin, tell shiela that';s OKMar 28 17:09
schestowitzand persians will stilll be banned from LF projectsMar 28 17:09
schestowitzsoooooo "OPEN"Mar 28 17:09
schestowitz*sheeelaMar 28 17:09
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techrights-newsGames: Steam Deck, Portal 2: Desolation, Slay the Spire, and More • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163072Mar 28 17:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Steam Deck, Portal 2: Desolation, Slay the Spire, and More | Tux MachinesMar 28 17:11
schestowitzto be clearMar 28 17:11
schestowitzthis isn't about nationalityMar 28 17:11
schestowitzit's racismMar 28 17:11
schestowitzit is about raceMar 28 17:11
schestowitzas people reported that for merely visiting a dying parent or grandparent in iran they'd get flagged and bannedMar 28 17:11
schestowitzafter coming back home to canada or eu or whatnotMar 28 17:11
schestowitzthis is what LF supportsMar 28 17:12
schestowitzracismMar 28 17:12
schestowitzyou are persianMar 28 17:12
schestowitzhence you are unwantedMar 28 17:12
schestowitzbut we are all about I&DMar 28 17:12
schestowitznot improvised $xplosive DeviceMar 28 17:12
schestowitzInclusion and DiversityyMar 28 17:12
schestowitzunlike ICBMMar 28 17:12
schestowitzthat literally does the nukes of the USAMar 28 17:12
schestowitzThey are tolerantMar 28 17:12
schestowitzwe are racistMar 28 17:12
schestowitzthey ban russiansMar 28 17:13
schestowitzwe don'tMar 28 17:13
schestowitzthey lobe ukraineMar 28 17:13
schestowitzit's a big clientMar 28 17:13
schestowitzlots of weapon contractsMar 28 17:13
schestowitzthey are tolerantMar 28 17:13
schestowitzcommunities are disgustingMar 28 17:13
psydruidwe advocate Inclusion & Diversity for countries we want to bombMar 28 17:13
schestowitzthey welcome everyone EVEN LITERALLY HITLER!!Mar 28 17:13
psydruidno country should be left behindMar 28 17:14
schestowitzbehind, like the napalm bombMar 28 17:14
schestowitzplane drops the fireloadMar 28 17:14
schestowitzno asian left behindMar 28 17:14
schestowitzwell, not for longMar 28 17:15
schestowitztheir epidermis is up in flamesMar 28 17:15
*schestowitz claps for James and SheelaMar 28 17:15
schestowitzMOAR military contracts, sirMar 28 17:15
techrights-newsThe Nazi "evil twin" of Pegasus/NSO Group (Gamma) https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-28/spyware-vendor-finfisher-claims-insolvency-amid-investigationMar 28 17:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot?Mar 28 17:16
techrights-newsFinFisher GmbH "Insolvency"... aka we're going to change name and operate through some other shell... like your Berlin falafel shop 'shutting down', filing for bankruptcy, changing name, and then starting afreshMar 28 17:18
techrights-newsSpyware businesses thriving. Malware makers HIRING. Join Team Evil. Buy a big house. Expose them? Vault 7? WATCH OUT! Look what happened to Julian Assange. Participate in the crime! OR ELSE: http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162988#comment-33220Mar 28 17:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Microsoft Run by Criminals, Who Expel Those Who Don't Participate in the Crimes | Tux MachinesMar 28 17:19
techrights-newsMicrosoft: we'll get you in trouble for NOT joining our orgies: http://techrights.org/2010/02/07/microsoft-orgies-and-drugs/Mar 28 17:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Refuses to Comment About (Deny) the Sex Parties, Drug Use | TechrightsMar 28 17:20
techrights-newsA VPN for #KeepItOn: How tech can mitigate internet shutdowns | TechRadar ⚓ https://www.techradar.com/vpn/a-vpn-for-keepiton-how-tech-can-mitigate-internet-shutdowns ䷉ Source: techradarMar 28 17:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A VPN for #KeepItOn: How tech can mitigate internet shutdowns | TechRadarMar 28 17:22
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techrights-newsThe journey from mir-kiosk to Ubuntu Frame • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163073Mar 28 17:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The journey from mir-kiosk to Ubuntu Frame | Tux MachinesMar 28 17:30
techrights-news"About 4 years ago at a routine eye check the optometrist recommended that I get reading glasses. Apparently I’m old enough that my eyes are losing their ability to focus at different distances to having different glasses for close and remote objects (EG reading and driving) is necessary for good vision." https://etbe.coker.com.au/2022/03/28/reading-glasses/Mar 28 17:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-etbe.coker.com.au | Reading Glasses « etbe - Russell CokerMar 28 17:34
techrights-news'FOSSlife' Team is amplifying ANTI-FOSS FUD, shifting blame/culpability for malware sent by Microsoft... blaming "open source" instead https://www.fosslife.org/threat-open-source-protestwareMar 28 17:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosslife.org | The Threat of Open Source ProtestwareMar 28 17:36
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techrights-newsLet's hear it, folks... how Microsoft shipping MALWARE to millions of machines is the fault of "Open Source". Give it up for... Bill Gates-funded 'journalists'....https://www.cjr.org/criticism/gates-foundation-journalism-funding.phpMar 28 17:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cjr.org | Journalism’s Gates keepers - Columbia Journalism ReviewMar 28 17:39
techrights-newsMicrosoft keeps concern-trolling those whom it PRETENDS to "love"Mar 28 17:40
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techrights-news"Besides I really love that old thing. It's slow, of course, and I've had some very frustrating experiences with it for things that should be common use cases. Immense lag when scrolling through an .odt document that contains pictures, for example." gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-03-28-paring-down-computer-power.gmiMar 28 17:43
schestowitz                "Mar 28 17:44
schestowitzToday I tried using infrared between my HP-49+ and my Palm IIIxe. I also grabbed my IrDA dongle identifying as a Kingsun KS-959. Tried plugging it first into my recent Windows 10 (also turns out my version of Win 10 no longer has irmon, but earlier ones did have)."  gemini://g.mikf.pl/gemlog/2022-03-28-irda.gmiMar 28 17:44
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techrights-news"I don’t understand the obsession with “qualified” supreme court justices. I don’t care about qualifications, I care about a judge’s ideological leanings. You don’t even need to be a lawyer to be a Supreme Court Justice." gemini://alex.flounder.online/journal.gmiMar 28 17:47
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techrights-newsLinks 28/03/2022: Best KDE Distros and Feren OS 2022.03 | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/03/28/feren-os-2022-03/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/28/feren-os-2022-03/Mar 28 18:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 28/03/2022: Best KDE Distros and Feren OS 2022.03 | TechrightsMar 28 18:05
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techrights-newsHey, dude... Daniel... your project depends on Microsoft proprietary software https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/03/28/what-curl-expects-from-dependencies/Mar 28 18:09
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-What curl expects from dependencies | daniel.haxx.seMar 28 18:09
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techrights-newsThis seems to be webspam, but I'll bite. No, these are SURVEILLANCE "apps" (up your arse to spy on your BODY) and they won't improve your life, that's just how spies try to advertise them in recent year, esp. during COVID crisis. "For your SAFETY!!" https://medevel.com/can-health-apps-help-people-in-real-life/Mar 28 18:14
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-medevel.com | Can Health Apps Help People in Real Life? – How Health Apps Promote Health and WellnessMar 28 18:14
techrights-newsDid American boycott Beijing Olympics because China had invaded Iraq?Mar 28 18:15
techrights-newsICBM Red Hat has used this stock photography many dozens of times in articles about programming. I do honestly wonder how many black ladies Red Hat EVER hired as programmers. (Because to Red Hat it's all about optics/PR/perception) https://opensource.com/article/22/3/simplify-java-persistence-implementation-kotlin-quarkusMar 28 18:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Simplify Java persistence implementation with Kotlin on Quarkus | Opensource.comMar 28 18:16
techrights-newsICBM Red Hat: "Our team maintains an example CRUD application on GitHub..." Facepalm, you outsource to criminals, it is proprietary software, and to participate I'd need to open an account with criminals https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/03/28/simplify-secure-connections-postgresql-databases-nodejsMar 28 18:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developers.redhat.com | Simplify secure connections to PostgreSQL databases with Node.js | Red Hat DeveloperMar 28 18:17
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mateymincer: http://web.archive.org/web/20051228121907/http://www.kde.org/announcements/gfresponse.phpMar 28 18:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | K Desktop Environment - KDE "Official" Response to GNOME FoundationMar 28 18:19
mateyQ: "How much does creation of GNOME Foundation affect KDE development?"Mar 28 18:19
mateyA: "As much as the birth of the last baby polar bear at the Quebec City Zoo"Mar 28 18:19
schestowitz-TR'GNOME' FoundationbMar 28 18:20
schestowitz-TR'G'NOME FoundationMar 28 18:20
schestowitz-TRNo FoundationMar 28 18:20
schestowitz-TRGAFAM FoundryMar 28 18:20
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matey While the charter for the Foundation only specifies controlling GNOME standards, we realize that there is a temptation to think that they might also try to control and define the mythical "Linux Desktop Standard". The lack of an "Official Standard" is a hot-topic and when journalists see large corporations backing an existing project, claims of GNOME becoming the standard are never far behind.Mar 28 18:20
mateygood lord were they mistakenMar 28 18:21
matey"BSD/Linux users tend to resent "standards" being force-fed on them by either corporations or the media. We'll use what we want, thank you."Mar 28 18:21
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matey :) "Open Source developers very rarely work on projects because of corporate backing and sometimes will not work on them due to it. The size of the wallets of a project's corporate backers mean nothing to somebody who is not getting paid and is working for the pure joy of programming."Mar 28 18:22
mateyanother era or another planet?Mar 28 18:22
mateythis IS 22 years old.Mar 28 18:22
techrights-newsICBM Red Hat promotes the non-tech cults that ruin tech in the name of something eXperience (they can't even spell experience right) ttps://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/3/digital-transformation-3-reasons-user-experience-mattersMar 28 18:22
matey"In summary, the KDE Project has always existed and thrived regardless of competition by either other Open Source projects or profit-minded companies."Mar 28 18:22
mateyarchived link because it was deleted from their wiki a few years later.Mar 28 18:23
mateyprobably at the behest of the gnome foundation, but im just being cynical :)Mar 28 18:23
matey"the KDE Project has always existed and thrived regardless of competition by either other Open Source projects" Mar 28 18:23
mateyto quote clouseau: "not anymore"Mar 28 18:24
techrights-news"estimated $700 billion in digital transformation" = marketing bullshit and buzzwords to get you to rip apart what generally works, BUY OUR NEW STUFF!!! We shall send brochures and 'studies' we paid for https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/3/digital-transformation-3-key-focus-areas-2022Mar 28 18:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-enterprisersproject.com | Digital transformation: 3 focus areas to prioritize in 2022 | The Enterprisers ProjectMar 28 18:24
mateythis mystery kde leader has completely fallen off the earthMar 28 18:26
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mateyive got it narrowed down to about 3000 people..Mar 28 18:26
mateyits no one on the board of kde ev.Mar 28 18:27
techrights-newshttps://linuxhandbook.com/kill-vs-killall/Mar 28 18:27
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxhandbook.com | Kill vs Killall: Difference Between the Two Linux CommandsMar 28 18:27
schestowitzvlad@putinbox # kill ukraineMar 28 18:27
schestowitzerror: command not found.Mar 28 18:27
schestowitzvlad@putinbox # killall ukraineMar 28 18:27
schestowitzhttps://linuxhandbook.com/kill-vs-killall/Mar 28 18:27
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mateyseigo was president at one point, but i only cared about him as a developerMar 28 18:27
mateyive literally never cared about the board whatsoeverMar 28 18:28
schestowitzMinceR @ catbox # whoamiMar 28 18:28
schestowitzclippy: if looks like you are making lasagnaMar 28 18:28
schestowitzpress Yes to proceed [n/Y]Mar 28 18:28
schestowitzmatey: he moved to kolabMar 28 18:29
schestowitzfrom canada to switzerlandMar 28 18:29
schestowitzI hardly heard of him in recent yearsMar 28 18:29
schestowitz-TRkde also had chani armitrage around those daysMar 28 18:30
schestowitz-TRcirca 2012-2014Mar 28 18:30
schestowitz-TR*armitageMar 28 18:30
mateykde ev (which im not interested in but anything to find a lead) has had the same president for 7 yearsMar 28 18:32
mateyimportance: 0, the president of kde ev is not importantMar 28 18:32
schestowitz-TRhttps://ca.linkedin.com/in/chaniarmitageMar 28 18:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 999 @ https://ca.linkedin.com/in/chaniarmitage )Mar 28 18:32
schestowitz-TRsteamdockMar 28 18:32
schestowitz-TRsounds proprietaryMar 28 18:32
schestowitz-TRthey're both canadianMar 28 18:32
mateyno interest in armitrage eitherMar 28 18:33
mateyim not looking for someone at kde evMar 28 18:33
schestowitz-TRkde dev 2006-2010Mar 28 18:33
mateyokayMar 28 18:33
mateythis was after seigoMar 28 18:33
schestowitz-TRstarted as gulag summer of labour studentMar 28 18:33
schestowitz-TRthree time in a row in factMar 28 18:33
schestowitz-TRthose gulag prorgram suck at programmer retentionMar 28 18:34
schestowitz-TRthey just tick some boxMar 28 18:34
schestowitz-TR"we support diversity"Mar 28 18:34
mateyyeah i have a low opinion of soc for several reasonsMar 28 18:34
mateybut the name is goodMar 28 18:34
mateysummer-- like a summer romance, a flingMar 28 18:34
matey"it was just a summer thing"Mar 28 18:34
schestowitz-TRat least gulag supported poor canadiansMar 28 18:34
mateyyes, i know canada is one of the poorer regions of the worldMar 28 18:35
schestowitz-TRnot just poor poorMar 28 18:35
schestowitz-TRthey support pourMar 28 18:35
mateyi regularly see fundraisers between shows on on practically bills stationMar 28 18:35
schestowitz-TRthey pour out PR moneyMar 28 18:35
schestowitz-TRand then plaster it all over the placeMar 28 18:35
mateysupport the pr and greedyMar 28 18:35
mateyneedy!Mar 28 18:35
schestowitz-TRwe gave $1000 a monthMar 28 18:35
schestowitz-TRto produce unusable codeMar 28 18:35
schestowitz-TRthat the project will not eschewMar 28 18:35
matey"for just the price of chicken mcnuggets, you can help feed a little boy or girl just like this one in nova scotia"Mar 28 18:37
schestowitz-TRi became a lot more cynical about gulag summer of labourMar 28 18:38
schestowitz-TRmaybe 3 years agoMar 28 18:38
schestowitz-TRwhen I saw how they used that to gag criticsMar 28 18:38
schestowitz-TRand debian forked over mission-critical servers to gulagMar 28 18:38
schestowitz-TRthe clown,, you knowMar 28 18:38
schestowitz-TRcan't say noMar 28 18:38
mateythe schmidt and melinda google foundationMar 28 18:38
schestowitz-TRthey pay  spi slush fundsMar 28 18:38
schestowitz-TR$300kMar 28 18:38
mateydont say we do bad things-- look, we do good things! Mar 28 18:39
mateywe write code for you! or we pay students toMar 28 18:39
schestowitz-TRthe jeff and lolita maxwellm foundationMar 28 18:39
schestowitz-TRremember bill is a maxwellMar 28 18:39
schestowitz-TRhis mom's sideMar 28 18:39
schestowitz-TRno connection to hoch thoughMar 28 18:39
mateynever knew thatMar 28 18:39
mateyactually i dont know who the maxwells are, but i honestly bet its interestingMar 28 18:39
schestowitz-TRlook up "maxwell seattle"Mar 28 18:40
mateyunless you mean maxwell houseMar 28 18:40
mateybut i suspect you dontMar 28 18:40
schestowitz-TRthey're a very well off political dynastyMar 28 18:40
schestowitz-TRnever had to work a day in their livesMar 28 18:40
mateyi believe it, checkingMar 28 18:40
schestowitz-TRmoney pouring outMar 28 18:40
schestowitz-TRor search maxwell in techrightsMar 28 18:40
schestowitz-TRbankersMar 28 18:40
schestowitz-TRpoliticiansMar 28 18:40
mateyis Ghislaine Maxwell a maxwell? that would be a hootMar 28 18:41
schestowitz-TRnow bill and williamMar 28 18:41
schestowitz-TRwilliam by marriageMar 28 18:41
schestowitz-TRmatey: no, a hochMar 28 18:41
schestowitz-TRthey changed nameMar 28 18:41
mateyhmmMar 28 18:41
mateyi got nothing hereMar 28 18:42
mateyi believe you thoughMar 28 18:42
schestowitz-TRbut you can be sure bill knows Ghislaine Maxwell very, very wellMar 28 18:42
schestowitz-TRyou don't just go visit Epstein IN PRISON without knowing Ghislaine MaxwellMar 28 18:42
schestowitz-TRanywayMar 28 18:42
schestowitz-TR"well, he's dead"Mar 28 18:42
schestowitz-TRthey were just friends becauysew jeff knew lots of rich peopleMar 28 18:43
schestowitz-TRand could pull strings from a prison cellMar 28 18:43
mateyjust like a mafia kingpinMar 28 18:43
schestowitz-TR"hi jeff, it's bill"Mar 28 18:44
mateynever "bill who"Mar 28 18:44
schestowitz-TR"look, I have all this tax eva.. I mean chairty thing"Mar 28 18:44
mateyjust "hi bill"Mar 28 18:44
schestowitz-TR"Ima take a flgiht to florida tomorrow"Mar 28 18:44
schestowitz-TR"I want to see you in prison where they take away my phone for the visit'Mar 28 18:44
schestowitz-TR"so you can help hook me up with rich people"Mar 28 18:45
schestowitz-TR"and Nobel Peace"Mar 28 18:45
mateysure they take his phone. jeff could use it to hang himselfMar 28 18:45
matey"but its cordless"Mar 28 18:45
schestowitz-TR"write me a note, OK? I'll bring a notepad"Mar 28 18:45
matey"he could hang himself with the carrier wave"Mar 28 18:45
mateyhe could break the phone in half and use it as a shivMar 28 18:45
mateyhe could order a pizza and wait for it to get stale, then bludgeon someone with itMar 28 18:46
schestowitz-TRnext up:Mar 28 18:46
schestowitz-TRbill phones maxwellMar 28 18:46
schestowitz-TRnot his momMar 28 18:46
schestowitz-TRshe died of cancer decades agoMar 28 18:46
schestowitz-TRthe other maxwellMar 28 18:46
schestowitz-TR"I want to see you in prison"Mar 28 18:47
schestowitz-TR"you know lots of rich people"Mar 28 18:47
schestowitz-TR"and you are in prison for child sex trafficking, like jeff"Mar 28 18:47
schestowitz-TR"can you write me a note to endorse nobel for peace?"Mar 28 18:47
mateylolMar 28 18:47
schestowitz-TR"your vote will help a lot!"Mar 28 18:47
schestowitz-TRI think jeff could be summoned for grilling/testimoniesMar 28 18:48
schestowitz-TRbut well, he's deadMar 28 18:48
schestowitz-TRthe whole thing stinksMar 28 18:48
mateyi think the nobel committee now accepts endorsements from anyone who is an fsf associate memberMar 28 18:48
schestowitz-TRand I doubt we'll have any closure, everMar 28 18:48
schestowitz-TRbill keeps trying to make comebacksMar 28 18:48
schestowitz-TRit typically backfiredMar 28 18:48
mateynope, itll be another jfk conspiracy Mar 28 18:48
schestowitz-TRand then BillPR (NPR) fires off BS that calls his critical cracksMar 28 18:49
schestowitz-TRcollectivelyMar 28 18:49
mateytheyll find jimmy hoffa, and he will have a tattoo that says "epstein didnt kill himself"Mar 28 18:49
schestowitz-TRwith straw menMar 28 18:49
schestowitz-TRoh,w aitMar 28 18:49
schestowitz-TRsilly meMar 28 18:50
schestowitz-TRmaybe "rich people" is code wordMar 28 18:50
schestowitz-TRmaybe rich means youngMar 28 18:50
mateyrichpeoplegateMar 28 18:50
schestowitz-TRjeff... knew lots of young peopleMar 28 18:50
mateyit gets worse than thatMar 28 18:50
techrights-newsToday’s #HowTos | #UNIX • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163074Mar 28 18:50
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mateygate is a codeword for bill gatesMar 28 18:50
mateyso pizzagate... dun dun dunMar 28 18:50
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schestowitz-TRanyway, we do not know muchMar 28 18:51
schestowitz-TRbut surely an investigation is in orderMar 28 18:52
schestowitz-TRif sealedMar 28 18:52
schestowitz-TRwhich is possibleMar 28 18:52
matey/me orders a "bill gates" and gets a pizza delivered-- CASE CRACKEDMar 28 18:52
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schestowitz-TRbill's best friends distanced themselvesMar 28 18:52
schestowitz-TRthan the foundationMar 28 18:52
schestowitz-TRcrashedMar 28 18:52
DaemonFCExcept Warren Buffett.Mar 28 18:52
schestowitz-TRand then Microsoft bombarded the media with a billion-dollar PR campaign about a fake "Vista 11" 'leak'Mar 28 18:52
mateyis the bill and m foundation floundering?Mar 28 18:52
DaemonFCCherry Coke and PizzaMar 28 18:52
mateyi havent paid attentionMar 28 18:52
schestowitz-TRDaemonFC: he left tooMar 28 18:53
mateybuffett is a code word for... buffetMar 28 18:53
schestowitz-TRmaybe you did not noticeMar 28 18:53
mateyi didntMar 28 18:53
schestowitz-TRaround the same day/week of Vista 11Mar 28 18:53
mateyive paid like zero attention to the bill and m foundation in half a year or moreMar 28 18:53
schestowitz-TRI hate Pizza BuffetMar 28 18:53
schestowitz-TRthey have them here in Pizza Hut sometimesMar 28 18:53
schestowitz-TRyou end up eating lots of doughMar 28 18:53
mateyi used to go to one pizza buffet that was actually goodMar 28 18:53
schestowitz-TRor lots of bad saladsMar 28 18:53
mateymore importantly it was actually pizzaMar 28 18:53
mateynot something horribleMar 28 18:54
schestowitz-TReither fattening or not fulfilling Mar 28 18:54
DaemonFCIt was a joke. Pizza being "young child" and Cherry Coke being that he drinks 5 of them a day and the "news" reports it.Mar 28 18:54
mateywell if you dont like alfredo sauceMar 28 18:54
mateyyou know its impossible to have a normal conversation anymore, thank you internet.Mar 28 18:54
mateyeverything is a fucking codeword nowMar 28 18:54
DaemonFCIt's really really bad for you to drink soda. They're just figuring out how bad.Mar 28 18:54
schestowitz-TRthey take manyMar 28 18:54
schestowitz-TRbecause the words keep changingMar 28 18:55
DaemonFCObviously the cost for most people, but it harms DNA.Mar 28 18:55
schestowitz-TRwe had "drpizza" here in IRCMar 28 18:55
matey <DaemonFC> It's really really bad for you to drink soda. <- and thats just from a legal standpointMar 28 18:55
schestowitz-TRhe came trolling usMar 28 18:55
schestowitz-TRbecause we criticised himMar 28 18:55
DaemonFCIt actually harms DNA.Mar 28 18:55
schestowitz-TRhe's now in prisonMar 28 18:55
schestowitz-TRpushing Microsoft propaganda while sticking his "tip" in 9 year oldsMar 28 18:55
DaemonFCI don't need anything else helping to age me.Mar 28 18:55
DaemonFCTime will do that.Mar 28 18:55
schestowitz-TRanyhow, gates and his ilk were always despicabelMar 28 18:56
schestowitz-TRballmerMar 28 18:56
schestowitz-TRcome on, f'ing ballmerMar 28 18:56
schestowitz-TRhe could barely get along with anyone but BALLMER?Mar 28 18:56
schestowitz-TRwhat does that tell youMar 28 18:56
schestowitz-TRGates was also repeatedly arrestedMar 28 18:56
schestowitz-TRand bailout outMar 28 18:56
schestowitz-TRthe rich write the laws, so...Mar 28 18:56
mateyamerica is very proud to not have a house of lordsMar 28 18:57
DaemonFCNotice the news hasn't gone "CORONAVIRUS CORONAVIRUS CORONAVIRUS!!! CORONAVIRUS CORONAVIRUS CORONSVIRUS!" in a while.Mar 28 18:57
mateyof course it has one, they just dont call it thatMar 28 18:57
DaemonFCNice, in't it?Mar 28 18:57
mateybill gates is definitely a lordMar 28 18:57
DaemonFCFor a minute there it was like some weird Ballmer dance about a virus.Mar 28 18:57
schestowitz-TRyou can imagine bill's parents coming with chaperons and convoy down to the local police stationMar 28 18:57
schestowitz-TRto "pick up bill"Mar 28 18:57
schestowitz-TRbtw, the medina PD is dodgyMar 28 18:57
schestowitz-TRlots of ex spies thereMar 28 18:58
schestowitz-TRthey protect US "assets" like bezos and billMar 28 18:58
schestowitz-TRlike state within a stateMar 28 18:58
psydruidMIDGET FoundationMar 28 18:58
schestowitz-TRdon't say midgetMar 28 18:59
psydruidTROLL FoundationMar 28 18:59
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schestowitz-TRsay "little people"Mar 28 18:59
schestowitz-TR(einfeld)Mar 28 18:59
schestowitz-TR(Seinfeld)Mar 28 18:59
psydruidoh rightMar 28 18:59
schestowitz-TRchanging wordsMar 28 18:59
schestowitz-TRremoves offenceMar 28 18:59
schestowitz-TRjeff knew lots of small peopleMar 28 18:59
schestowitz-TRwell, he's deadMar 28 19:01
schestowitz-TRalternaten universeMar 28 19:01
schestowitz-TRthe pbs lady/anchorMar 28 19:01
DaemonFCJohn's mom was afraid of midgets. Mar 28 19:02
schestowitz-TR(her employer is bribed by gates)Mar 28 19:02
DaemonFCSo we stayed at a nice hotel down in Texas and there was a midget convention.Mar 28 19:02
DaemonFCI swear.Mar 28 19:02
schestowitz-TR"OK, so he's dead.... and your right-hand man is on his will"Mar 28 19:02
DaemonFCThey woke up and ate the entire hotel breakfast bar the first day.Mar 28 19:02
DaemonFCSo the next day we managed to get up and outrun the midgets down there.Mar 28 19:02
DaemonFCI told her "If you're hungry, grab two plates and that way they can't run off with the rest while you're eating.".Mar 28 19:03
schestowitz-TRmidget conventionMar 28 19:03
DaemonFCThat's what happened!Mar 28 19:03
schestowitz-TRa few decades ago you could make lots of jokes about thatMar 28 19:04
schestowitz-TRnow midget convention is a DYNAMITE for cancel cultureMar 28 19:04
schestowitz-TRso I'd make no jokes about a midget conventionMar 28 19:04
DaemonFCYeah, well, I can't really be canceled so I can say what I will.Mar 28 19:04
schestowitz-TRSeinfeld could make jokes about ParalympicsMar 28 19:04
schestowitz-TRthat was in the 1990sMar 28 19:04
matey<DaemonFC> So we stayed at a nice hotel down in Texas and there was a midget convention.Mar 28 19:04
schestowitz-TRhe'd be assassinated if he tried nowMar 28 19:04
mateywas it a large convention, orMar 28 19:05
DaemonFCIt was both large and small.Mar 28 19:05
matey :)Mar 28 19:05
DaemonFCI'd never believe you if you told me they could eat that much though!Mar 28 19:05
schestowitz-TRboth micro and soft?Mar 28 19:05
DaemonFCJust absolutely voracious.Mar 28 19:05
matey<DaemonFC> I'd never believe you if you told me they could eat that much though! <- so many things i could say here butMar 28 19:05
schestowitz-TRmaybe the hotel under-suppliedMar 28 19:06
schestowitz-TRmade wrong assumptionsMar 28 19:06
mateythey would be verging on total dickishness and since i really have no problem with-- i swear i no longer know what they prefer to be calledMar 28 19:06
mateyim not going to go thereMar 28 19:06
DaemonFCIt looked well stocked the next day.Mar 28 19:06
mateyyou cant even make fun of fat people anymoreMar 28 19:06
schestowitz-TRor blondesMar 28 19:06
mateyyou just cant make fun of peopleMar 28 19:06
schestowitz-TRthey too are protectedMar 28 19:07
DaemonFCBut I grabbed a plate for hot items and a plate for bagel and cream cheese and fruits and some orange juice and coffee and took it all back at once.Mar 28 19:07
schestowitz-TRbecause blondeness is a disavantage now or somethingMar 28 19:07
schestowitz-TRlike albinosMar 28 19:07
mateyand i dont have a lot of desire to make fun of fat peopleMar 28 19:07
mateysome of my best friends are fat peopleMar 28 19:07
schestowitz-TRyou can make fun of dumb brunette dudeMar 28 19:07
schestowitz-TRnot dumb blondeMar 28 19:07
matey<schestowitz-TR> like albinos <- i had a friend who was a fairly hefty albino, and he loved jokes that werent pcMar 28 19:08
schestowitz-TRthe stereotypes make them unemployableMar 28 19:08
DaemonFCYeah, like you couldn't do a lot of things now.Mar 28 19:08
mateythough he was a bit sensitive about his albinismMar 28 19:08
DaemonFCAustin Powers? No.Mar 28 19:08
schestowitz-TRI never see blondes employed as CEOs and stuff...Mar 28 19:08
DaemonFCMarried With Children? No.Mar 28 19:08
matey<schestowitz-TR> I never see blondes employed as CEOs and stuff... i mean ive personally known (natural) blondes who qualified for mensaMar 28 19:09
schestowitz-TRside note: many dumb blondes are not blondeMar 28 19:09
mateybut they werent offended by blonde jokesMar 28 19:09
schestowitz-TRthey dye their hair to compensate for somethingMar 28 19:09
schestowitz-TRsometimes using sunbed excessivbely too, to fit the very steretype they later bemoanMar 28 19:09
mateylisa kudrow went to harvard and made a shitload of money playing a stereotypical blondeMar 28 19:10
schestowitz-TRyes, I was being cynicalMar 28 19:10
mateyshe was the first guest on (fellow alumnus and best friend) conan o briens showMar 28 19:10
schestowitz-TRobv. blondes are advantagedMar 28 19:10
schestowitz-TResp. as public faces for companiesMar 28 19:10
DaemonFCThey'd probably cancel Chris Farley now if he wasn't dead.Mar 28 19:10
DaemonFCSome of his SNL appearances couldn't happen today, like the sketch in the Joliet State Prison.Mar 28 19:11
mateychris farley was fucking awesomeMar 28 19:11
DaemonFCCould you imagine BLM reacting to THAT!?Mar 28 19:11
schestowitz-TRBLM is a straw man hereMar 28 19:11
schestowitz-TRanyway, I'm sure bill masturbated to github... in front of the letter of ICBM, Gulag, and their front groupsMar 28 19:11
schestowitz-TR"lol, they go after RMS now..."Mar 28 19:11
DaemonFCMost of "van down by the river" could still happen, maybe.Mar 28 19:11
DaemonFCLibtards like mjg59_ are unbelievably shitty to the homeless.Mar 28 19:12
DaemonFCLook at their cities and politicians.Mar 28 19:12
mateyi think he was already dead when i finally saw van down by the riverMar 28 19:12
mateyyou know theyre a comic genius when theyre doing it live and the other seasoned comedians are barely holding their shit togetherMar 28 19:13
DaemonFCYou know how Huntington, Indiana (82% voted Trump) treats the homeless?Mar 28 19:13
mateytrying desperately to keep a straight faceMar 28 19:13
techrights-newsGParted 1.4 Released with Labeling Support for Mounted Btrfs, EXT4, and XFS Filesystems • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163075Mar 28 19:13
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DaemonFCSome of the local landlords got together and gave them a house to live in, free of charge, and the local businesses find them jobs and help them transition out of that house, which is a shelter until they get back on their feet.Mar 28 19:13
schestowitz-TRpeople at risk of poverty or homelessness are more sypathetic to the homelessMar 28 19:14
DaemonFCThere's another halfway house for battered women.Mar 28 19:14
schestowitz-TRthe rich sociopaths are least sympatheticMar 28 19:14
schestowitz-TRthey even convince themselves it's their genius and brilliance, not greed cheatinhg etc. that got them thereMar 28 19:14
DaemonFCThe landlords I know there aren't terrible people really.Mar 28 19:14
schestowitz-TRhence, homeless= dumb, lazy, failureMar 28 19:14
DaemonFCOh no, they don't "homeless bash" anyone.Mar 28 19:14
schestowitz-TRthe people I see here giving coins to homeless aren't the richMar 28 19:14
schestowitz-TRthe poor home people will return in kind one dayMar 28 19:15
schestowitz-TRaMar 28 19:15
schestowitz-TRas they too can become homless one dayMar 28 19:15
DaemonFCNow, you move to Shitcago or San Francisco, people "get it" like mjg59_ said. They get the billy clubs and the cops set everything they own in this world on fire too.Mar 28 19:15
schestowitz-TRso they rely on climate of solidarityMar 28 19:15
DaemonFCThat's what they "get".Mar 28 19:15
schestowitz-TRvery rich cities like london will bus the homeless outMar 28 19:15
DaemonFC99% Democrat.Mar 28 19:15
schestowitz-TR"you stink, you scare off tourists"Mar 28 19:15
schestowitz-TR"you lower my home value|Mar 28 19:15
DaemonFCYes, Shitcago, San Francisco.Mar 28 19:16
DaemonFCDisgusting.Mar 28 19:16
DaemonFCThe larger the city, the more depraved it gets.Mar 28 19:16
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DaemonFCCrime unpunished. Crime against children? Tolerated. Police go beat up the homeless and set their tents on fire.Mar 28 19:16
DaemonFCIt's the most godawful place in the country that I've ever seen, Chicago.Mar 28 19:17
DaemonFCIt's truly the anus of America.Mar 28 19:17
schestowitz-TRyou miss a key pointMar 28 19:17
schestowitz-TRthose cities are magnetsMar 28 19:17
schestowitz-TRto some certain  leaningMar 28 19:17
schestowitz-TRthey foster socioipathyMar 28 19:17
schestowitz-TRso that becomes 'normalised'Mar 28 19:17
schestowitz-TRwater cooler talk:Mar 28 19:17
MinceR28 191928 < matey> mincer: http://web.archive.org/web/20051228121907/http://www.kde.org/announcements/gfresponse.phpMar 28 19:17
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MinceRthat was long before the end of KDEMar 28 19:18
DaemonFCYes, the mentality of some of the people there are what I would call "Not even human anymore.".Mar 28 19:18
schestowitz-TR"yeah, johnny, those stinking people in the heat shaft... spike em'Mar 28 19:18
MinceRthere wasn't even a KDE 3.0 yetMar 28 19:18
schestowitz-TRthat joke won't go down well in other workplacesMar 28 19:18
schestowitz-TRbut the magnets attractMar 28 19:18
schestowitz-TRpoor-shaming is prevalent in murdoich media (GOP audience)Mar 28 19:18
DaemonFCRMS....I totally disagree with him.Mar 28 19:18
DaemonFCCities should be disbanded and disbursed.Mar 28 19:18
DaemonFCWhen people get back to their roots and have some breathing space, maybe things would calm down.Mar 28 19:19
schestowitz-TRalso see: American PsychoMar 28 19:19
schestowitz-TR(Bateman)Mar 28 19:19
DaemonFCYeah, I always thought that movie was a joke or something until I lived in Chicago.Mar 28 19:19
schestowitz-TRDaemonFC: that would harm nature even moreMar 28 19:19
DaemonFCNow I see it's not that far removed from the truth.Mar 28 19:19
schestowitz-TR"look at my dic... I mean, my business card"Mar 28 19:20
schestowitz-TR"ain't it LOVELY?"Mar 28 19:20
DaemonFCAlthough I do like Huey Lewis and The News, I never do listen to anything of theirs that's not from the 1980s. I don't really know why.Mar 28 19:20
MinceR28 192815 <~schestowitz> MinceR @ catbox # whoamiMar 28 19:20
MinceRhuh?Mar 28 19:20
DaemonFCI get into like a rut and then that's where my mind is and then I don't try much else.Mar 28 19:20
DaemonFCIronically, one of his songs is "I know what I like.".Mar 28 19:21
DaemonFCMaybe the inspiration for Anubis in SG-1. "I'm not a bad guy, really. I just know what I like and I'm willing to kill everyone in the universe to get it!".Mar 28 19:21
DaemonFC(Putin)Mar 28 19:21
schestowitz-TRnot even putin could terminate systemdMar 28 19:22
schestowitz-TRprocess einsMar 28 19:22
DaemonFCPutin could terminate systemd.Mar 28 19:22
DaemonFCHe'd start by killing every maintainer with a ricin umbrella.Mar 28 19:22
MinceRlolMar 28 19:22
DaemonFCThe best part of systemd is it has a module that teaches you how to meditate while NordVPN and CUPS are stuck at shut down.Mar 28 19:23
DaemonFCYou get 3 minutes to just relax and let it happen.Mar 28 19:23
MinceR:>Mar 28 19:24
MinceRyou might as well relax and enjoy it?Mar 28 19:24
DaemonFCDebian 11's Live ISO and GNOME desktop role managed to make some really fucked up mistakes.Mar 28 19:24
DaemonFCLike, how could nobody notice that CUPS isn't installed?Mar 28 19:25
DaemonFCThey don't install CUPS but they do install EVERY language pack and input method?Mar 28 19:25
DaemonFCAlrighty then!Mar 28 19:25
DaemonFCHold onto your lugnuts, it's TIIIIIIIME for an overhaul.Mar 28 19:25
DaemonFC<MinceR> you might as well relax and enjoy it?Mar 28 19:29
DaemonFCPretty much.Mar 28 19:29
DaemonFCI doubt that switching to KDE would fix that because systemderp would still be there.Mar 28 19:29
techrights-newsWorship Apple? Check. Worship Microsoft (GitHub)? Check. Proprietary? Check. https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=LLVM-Clang-march-native-M1Mar 28 19:30
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-LLVM Clang Adds "-march=native" Support For The Apple M1 - PhoronixMar 28 19:30
techrights-newsArchinstall has been outsourced to criminals from Microsoft. And it's developed using proprietary software. Can GNU/Linux distros please stop supporting crime?Mar 28 19:31
DaemonFC"To help make Discord a safer place for everyone, we are prohibiting harmful misinformation and will now consider off-platform behavior in some cases. We’ve also updated the protected attributes in our hate speech policy to include caste, gender identity, age, serious illness, and more."Mar 28 19:32
DaemonFCSo you can be banned from Discord for saying things they don't like someplace else.Mar 28 19:32
schestowitz-TRit's vagueMar 28 19:32
schestowitz-TRit's risky Mar 28 19:32
schestowitz-TRlike "hate speech"Mar 28 19:33
schestowitz-TRit's so loosely definedMar 28 19:33
DaemonFC"harmful misinformation"Mar 28 19:33
schestowitz-TRone politician hating another?Mar 28 19:33
schestowitz-TRhow harmful?Mar 28 19:33
schestowitz-TRto who?Mar 28 19:33
schestowitz-TRto putin?Mar 28 19:33
schestowitz-TRis it OK to want putin dead?Mar 28 19:33
schestowitz-TRor to want him to be killed by parkinsons?Mar 28 19:33
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schestowitz-TRtl;dr: we at discord ban anybody we don't likeMar 28 19:34
schestowitz-TRwe codify that to cover all casesMar 28 19:34
schestowitz-TRand edge casesMar 28 19:34
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techrights-newsMicrobell us running Intel ads again https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-Core-i9-12900KSMar 28 19:35
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techrights-newsRajeesh K Nambiar: RIT Malayalam fonts are available & default in Fedora 36+, ELNMar 28 19:36
techrights-newsICBM gets new fonts from volunteers https://rajeeshknambiar.wordpress.com/2022/03/28/rit-malayalam-fonts-are-available-default-in-fedora-36-eln/Mar 28 19:37
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techrights-newsGulag "is currently in the process of killing Hangouts." Gulag and Microsoft keep killing their disservices. Why would YOU or your BUSINESS want to rely on these??? I keep alerting people at work. Clown Computing isn't "Smart"; it's for lazy and dumb people without foresight https://etbe.coker.com.au/2022/03/28/hangouts-replacement/Mar 28 19:39
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DaemonFCI'm looking at my daily electric usage.Mar 28 19:44
techrights-newsMicrosoft-friendly media likes to paint as Linux things that have nothing to do with Linux https://thehackernews.com/2022/03/muhstik-botnet-targeting-redis-servers.html Photoshop is WINDOQWS?Mar 28 19:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thehackernews.com | Muhstik Botnet Targeting Redis Servers Using Recently Disclosed VulnerabilityMar 28 19:44
DaemonFCThe chest freezer actually has not made a noticeable difference.Mar 28 19:44
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DaemonFCMaybe pennies a day?Mar 28 19:44
techrights-news"We're wrapping up another great week with the following activities from the Apache community..." https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the-apache-weekly-news-round19Mar 28 19:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.apache.org | The Apache Weekly News Round-up: week ending 25 March 2022 : The Apache Software Foundation BlogMar 28 19:45
techrights-newsFedora and IBM/Red Hat Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163077Mar 28 19:45
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techrights-newsMicrosoft and Bill Gates have pulled a "well, he's dead" on Elabd; "we totally don't know him, never heard of him..." http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162988#comment-33220Mar 28 19:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Microsoft Run by Criminals, Who Expel Those Who Don't Participate in the Crimes | Tux MachinesMar 28 19:46
schestowitz-TRdaily electric usage?Mar 28 19:46
schestowitz-TRphysical, right?Mar 28 19:47
schestowitz-TRyou didn't do that smart and app and site...Mar 28 19:47
schestowitz-TRoh, waitMar 28 19:47
schestowitz-TRyou rentMar 28 19:47
schestowitz-TRmaybe they force you yoMar 28 19:47
schestowitz-TR*toMar 28 19:47
schestowitz-TRnext up: mandatory alexa and nestMar 28 19:47
schestowitz-TRjust in case...Mar 28 19:47
schestowitz-TRkeep clothedMar 28 19:47
schestowitz-TRthe microphones are onMar 28 19:47
schestowitz-TRkeep politeMar 28 19:47
schestowitz-TRit's OK, keep away from the electric fence too... touching it might increas your energy billsMar 28 19:48
DaemonFCDon't whiz on....the electric fence!Mar 28 19:51
techrights-newsGulag Deutschland pretends this was its own achievement https://fsfe.org/news/2022/news-20220328-01.en.htmlMar 28 19:51
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schestowitz-TRDaemonFC: doubly ungoodMar 28 19:52
techrights-newsESP32 Composite Video Library outputs PAL, SECAM and NTSC, supports LVGL - CNX Software ⚓ https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/03/28/esp32-composite-video-library-outputs-pal-secam-and-ntsc-supports-lvgl/ ䷉ Source: Linux | GNU | Hardware | cnxsoftwareMar 28 19:53
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leahschestowitz-TR: what did you mean when you said "leah was on and off gnu"Mar 28 19:59
schestowitz-TRgnu librebootMar 28 20:00
schestowitz-TRthen just librebootMar 28 20:00
schestowitz-TRand I assume before gnu it was also just librebootMar 28 20:00
schestowitz-TRand you posted in the mailing list about thatMar 28 20:00
schestowitz-TRI criticised tghe "boycott gnu" episodeMar 28 20:01
schestowitz-TRit did not even make a compelling case Mar 28 20:01
schestowitz-TRor it was not properly/thoroughly explainedMar 28 20:01
schestowitz-TRanyway, the context above was kdeMar 28 20:01
schestowitz-TRor kde scMar 28 20:01
schestowitz-TRand how projects relate to "KDE"Mar 28 20:01
schestowitz-TRor KDE e.V.Mar 28 20:01
schestowitz-TRwhatever those areMar 28 20:02
leahyeah well, joining libreboot in gnu was a mistake. leaving gnu was also a mistakeMar 28 20:02
schestowitz-TRgnu is a very powerful brandMar 28 20:02
leahit was a mistake joining because it was superfluousMar 28 20:02
schestowitz-TRit's like being a political candidate getting endorsement from bernie sandersMar 28 20:02
leahi never used gnu infrastructure and never intended to - besides mailing lists. savannah was used mostly as just git backup. i intended to just basically use the gnu brand, adhering to gnu standards but keeping everything mineMar 28 20:03
leahin other words, my goals were incompatible. that's why it was a mistakeMar 28 20:03
schestowitz-TRiirc, the call for boycott was over how some people had treated youMar 28 20:03
leahit's kinda like the EU argumentMar 28 20:04
leahdo we join it or notMar 28 20:04
schestowitz-TRthis was light on the pertinent detailsMar 28 20:04
leahand i'd say: don't join itMar 28 20:04
leahjust be a countryMar 28 20:04
schestowitz-TRwe never gave up on the poundMar 28 20:04
leahand in this context, i say:Mar 28 20:04
leahjust be a software projectMar 28 20:04
schestowitz-TRso it was a semi-hearted, cautious adoptionMar 28 20:04
schestowitz-TRbeing a psrt of a collective can helpMar 28 20:04
leahthatcher didn't believe in the values of the EU, she just wanted more free trade for the ukMar 28 20:04
schestowitz-TRif the obligations are minimalMar 28 20:05
schestowitz-TRlike restrictions on speechMar 28 20:05
techrights-newsGentoo-Based Porteus Kiosk 5.4 Released with Linux Kernel 5.15 LTS, Various Improvements • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163080Mar 28 20:05
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leahschestowitz-TR: leaving gnu was stupid though. any disputes that developed could have been resolved by me simply forking librebootMar 28 20:05
leahwhich, ironically, i later did so anyway (see osboot)Mar 28 20:06
leahit made little technical sense either, due to how libreboot is designedMar 28 20:06
leahthere is never any clear scope what libreboot is, other than: coreboot distroMar 28 20:07
leahthe components in it change over time, as neededMar 28 20:07
leahand some of those components were gnu componentsMar 28 20:07
leahsuch as grubMar 28 20:07
techrights-newsGoogle #Android Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163081Mar 28 20:07
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leahso gnu ended up having 2 versions of grubMar 28 20:07
leahbut see, what was actually in gnu was releases of librebootMar 28 20:07
leahit's....Mar 28 20:07
leahjust look at the design of librebootMar 28 20:07
leahschestowitz-TR: go download lbmk.git and look at it. the design of it now is the same fundamentaldesign it also had in 2016Mar 28 20:07
schestowitz-TRi never looked at that codeMar 28 20:08
leahyou'll see why i say this, after you read it. it made no technical sense to join *that* in gnu. it was a purely political decisionMar 28 20:08
schestowitz-TRand it's probably very machine level Mar 28 20:08
leahwhat i should have done instead is fork coreboot and maintain a deblobbed version, sort of like librecore later did. and put that in gnuMar 28 20:08
schestowitz-TRfirmware and irq addresses etc.Mar 28 20:08
leahGNU BootMar 28 20:08
leahbut keep libreboot out of gnuMar 28 20:08
leahand just submit a "pure" coreboot tree to gnuMar 28 20:08
leahthat's what i should have doneMar 28 20:08
leahthat would have even been workable, and would have satisfied meMar 28 20:09
schestowitz-TRspeaking of pureMar 28 20:09
schestowitz-TRyou heard what happened to todd, right?Mar 28 20:09
leahtodd weaver?Mar 28 20:09
leahno, tell me what happenedMar 28 20:09
schestowitz-TRseems demotedMar 28 20:09
leahoh?Mar 28 20:09
schestowitz-TRthey added people to the topMar 28 20:09
schestowitz-TRtwo Mar 28 20:09
schestowitz-TRso his leadership is lessened somewhatMar 28 20:09
leahhttps://puri.sm/posts/as-purism-grows-founder-ceo-todd-weaver-transitions-role-of-president-to-kyle-rankin-vice-president-to-nicole-faerber/Mar 28 20:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-puri.sm | As Purism Grows, Founder CEO Todd Weaver Transitions Role of President to Kyle Rankin & Vice-President to Nicole Faerber – PurismMar 28 20:09
leahwhatMar 28 20:09
schestowitz-TRFaerber is unknown to meMar 28 20:10
leahit says he's a dev lolMar 28 20:10
schestowitz-TRI think neither isMar 28 20:10
schestowitz-TRone wrote for LFMar 28 20:10
leahi think todd feels the heat on him. he's been scamming people for yearsMar 28 20:10
schestowitz-TRLJMar 28 20:10
schestowitz-TRnot LFMar 28 20:10
leahnow he's jumping shipMar 28 20:10
leahi guess purism will be dead then, in the next 2 years probablyMar 28 20:10
leahthis is a good dayMar 28 20:11
schestowitz-TRyes, that was my instinctMar 28 20:11
leahthanks for the good news. i know to read between the linesMar 28 20:11
schestowitz-TRbut they try to make it sound positiveMar 28 20:11
leahfuck purismMar 28 20:11
schestowitz-TRbecause, you know, purismMar 28 20:11
leahi say, good riddanceMar 28 20:11
schestowitz-TRthey also srinkle the shitMar 28 20:11
schestowitz-TR*sprinkle onMar 28 20:11
leahthey've contributed precisely nothingMar 28 20:11
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schestowitz-TR[20:11] <leah> thanks for the good news. i know to read between the linesMar 28 20:11
schestowitz-TRi did tooMar 28 20:12
schestowitz-TRthe BS meterMar 28 20:12
schestowitz-TRor smell testMar 28 20:12
schestowitz-TRnow you buy a laptop thereMar 28 20:12
leahomgMar 28 20:12
schestowitz-TRand wait in line for monthsMar 28 20:12
leahkyle rankin is becoming presidentMar 28 20:12
schestowitz-TRiircMar 28 20:12
leahlolMar 28 20:12
schestowitz-TRdepending on the productMar 28 20:12
leahi love thatMar 28 20:12
schestowitz-TRimagine ordering a laptop nowMar 28 20:12
schestowitz-TRpay $1500Mar 28 20:12
schestowitz-TRwait for summerMar 28 20:12
schestowitz-TRthey might even ship itMar 28 20:13
leahschestowitz-TR: kyle rankin is on my shitlistMar 28 20:13
schestowitz-TRand it might last longer than the companyMar 28 20:13
leahtodd is abandoning ship and letting kyle take the fall when it all goes tits upMar 28 20:13
leahexcellentMar 28 20:13
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schestowitz-TRI wonder who orders Librem USA Mar 28 20:13
schestowitz-TRiirc, $2000Mar 28 20:13
schestowitz-TRfor a phoneMar 28 20:13
schestowitz-TRwith specs not that greatMar 28 20:13
leahi'm planning to launch phones soonMar 28 20:14
schestowitz-TRbut "made in usa" somethingMar 28 20:14
schestowitz-TRprobably just assembled thereMar 28 20:14
schestowitz-TRsorry if I am negativist hereMar 28 20:14
schestowitz-TRor pessimistMar 28 20:14
schestowitz-TRI think purism did contribute a littleMar 28 20:14
schestowitz-TRbut many clients were not happyMar 28 20:14
schestowitz-TRthat I know ofMar 28 20:14
leahi think i can make an affordable phone product for minifreeMar 28 20:15
leahused market, of course. with postmarketosMar 28 20:15
leahbeen investigating it for some time nowMar 28 20:15
leahcould be a nice little earner for meMar 28 20:15
leahmy market research tells me: libre phones sellMar 28 20:15
leahpostmarketos specifically is a great system for phones, because its lightweightMar 28 20:16
leahand works wellMar 28 20:16
techrights-newsSpamnil now propping up "Web3" scams... how fitting for the ambitious "filmmaker"Mar 28 20:16
techrights-newsNot about Linux. Intel SPAM. x86 is relic./ C'mon, Liam... https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/intel-announced-the-core-i9-12900ks-as-the-worlds-fastest-desktop-processor/Mar 28 20:17
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Intel announced the Core i9 12900KS as the 'world's fastest desktop processor' | GamingOnLinuxMar 28 20:17
techrights-newsRedmonk takes money from Microsoft criminals. It bases its 'studies' on Microsoft data. Facts do not matters to these self-described 'analysts'; clients do. https://redmonk.com/sogrady/2022/03/28/language-rankings-1-22/Mar 28 20:19
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schestowitz-TRoh, libreplanet videos are OUT!Mar 28 20:19
techrights-newsGulag proprietary software: "an attacker could exploit to take control of an affected system." https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/03/28/google-releases-security-updates-chromeMar 28 20:20
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leahthat was quickMar 28 20:21
schestowitz-TRleah: which one to go with first?Mar 28 20:21
schestowitz-TRassuming you wwatch someMar 28 20:21
schestowitz-TRdid the ed give a talk?Mar 28 20:21
leahmehMar 28 20:21
schestowitz-TRI only see talk ttilesMar 28 20:21
schestowitz-TRtitlesMar 28 20:22
leahi don't care about libreplanetMar 28 20:22
leahi did pop in to say hello on irc thoughMar 28 20:22
leahfsf is uninteresting to me these daysMar 28 20:23
schestowitz-TRfair enufffMar 28 20:23
leahwhatever spark i saw in them last year is either gone, or i was delusional and it wasn't thereMar 28 20:23
leahi'm focusing on my stuffMar 28 20:23
leahthoughMar 28 20:23
leahthe sxmo talk was goodMar 28 20:24
techrights-newsGammath™ SPOT version 2.9 (beta) released on 28 March 2022 https://pypi.org/project/gammath-spot/2.9/Mar 28 20:24
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leahi tuned in specifically to watch that talkMar 28 20:24
leahthe sxmo oneMar 28 20:24
leahbecause i know the authorMar 28 20:24
schestowitz-TRI see it nowMar 28 20:24
schestowitz-TRI'll post a video embedded for itMar 28 20:25
leahi don't see the videosMar 28 20:25
schestowitz-TRi love fsf these daysMar 28 20:25
leahi checked media.libreplanet.orgMar 28 20:25
schestowitz-TRthey improved a lot in recent monthsMar 28 20:25
leahimproved?Mar 28 20:25
leahhow?Mar 28 20:25
schestowitz-TRcompared to the bkuhn daysMar 28 20:25
schestowitz-TRand the anti-RMS insidersMar 28 20:25
schestowitz-TRdidn't like thatMar 28 20:25
schestowitz-TRfelt like civil warMar 28 20:25
schestowitz-TRbetter small and united Mar 28 20:26
schestowitz-TRthan broad and dividedMar 28 20:26
leahthe fsf is objectively in a worse spot than it is now. but better than the 2019-2021 spotMar 28 20:26
schestowitz-TRwhich is what fsf was for a number of yearsMar 28 20:26
schestowitz-TRleah: maybe financiallyMar 28 20:26
schestowitz-TRmoney isn't what's most important Mar 28 20:26
schestowitz-TRadherence to mission mattersMar 28 20:26
schestowitz-TRour budget here is $0Mar 28 20:26
schestowitz-TRand we do OKMar 28 20:26
leahits role is largely superfluousMar 28 20:26
leahwe as a community already do everything ourselves. the fsf is obsoleteMar 28 20:27
schestowitz-TRit's under attackMar 28 20:27
schestowitz-TRbecause freesw is widely used Mar 28 20:27
leahespecially given its unwillingness to promote free hardwareMar 28 20:27
schestowitz-TRso they try to shift controlsMar 28 20:27
leahthere was a discussion about libre hardware, like libre silicon projectMar 28 20:27
leahrms shrugged it off "doesn't boot linux"Mar 28 20:27
schestowitz-TRleah: the s in fsf is sofwtareMar 28 20:27
leahschestowitz-TR: https://libresilicon.com/Mar 28 20:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-libresilicon.com | Libre SiliconMar 28 20:27
leahseen this?Mar 28 20:27
schestowitz-TRthey should not focus on hardwareMar 28 20:27
leahor sam zeloof's workMar 28 20:27
leahhave you seen itMar 28 20:27
schestowitz-TRthey need to limit scopeMar 28 20:27
leahi disagreeMar 28 20:28
schestowitz-TRto keep efffectiveMar 28 20:28
schestowitz-TRwe focus on epoMar 28 20:28
leahi completely disagreeMar 28 20:28
schestowitz-TRwe cannot focus on every facetMar 28 20:28
leahi'm more politically aligned with openbsd these daysMar 28 20:28
leahwith their way of thinking and doing thingsMar 28 20:28
leahthey also do a lot of things rightMar 28 20:28
schestowitz-TRthey also bagged microsoft moneyMar 28 20:29
schestowitz-TRmicrosoft=crimeMar 28 20:29
leahfor example, they don't allow NDA'd code to be mergedMar 28 20:29
schestowitz-TRbut never mindMar 28 20:29
leahthey refuse to allow NDA's to dictate anything to themMar 28 20:29
schestowitz-TRit's not their biggest "sugare"Mar 28 20:29
schestowitz-TR*sugar"Mar 28 20:29
leaheven with their limited influence, they're able a lot of the time to still get hardware specs and write drivers, for exampleMar 28 20:29
leahNDA-free driversMar 28 20:29
leahlinux doesn't do that. plenty of code under linux was written based on access to documents under ndaMar 28 20:30
leahthey have a stronger anti-blob stance than linux, in factMar 28 20:30
DaemonFCApple lost a lawsuit that it was requiring employees to undergo a bag check on their way in and out of work at Apple stores that was unpaid and could last up to half an hour.Mar 28 20:31
leahstronger than most everyone elseMar 28 20:31
DaemonFCSo they owe them all back pay now.Mar 28 20:31
leahif they were to have more reach, i think they'd do a lot more good for the worldMar 28 20:31
DaemonFCIt's nice to be treated like a criminal in order to have a job, isn't it?Mar 28 20:31
DaemonFC"Now pull down your pants and cough!"Mar 28 20:32
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DaemonFCSince they have to pay everyone to stand in line to have their bag searched on the way out, it may well end up costing them more in payroll than any stolen merchandise is likely to be worth.Mar 28 20:33
bnchsshould you really allow drivers written with documents under NDAMar 28 20:34
bnchsi mean i think they did that to prevent legal issuesMar 28 20:34
bnchsthey could rake up legal debt and the company would say the drivers were NDA violationsMar 28 20:34
mjg59_bnchs: Generally the docs are provided under NDA with the express understanding that they're being used to write driversMar 28 20:36
mjg59_The terms of the NDA may involve review of patchesMar 28 20:36
mjg59_(I've gone through this, it's incredibly tedious)Mar 28 20:36
bnchsohMar 28 20:36
bnchsi thought the top secret NDAMar 28 20:36
bnchsas in someone who intentionally violated oneMar 28 20:36
bnchsto write drivers for itMar 28 20:36
mjg59_Oh, noMar 28 20:37
mjg59_Generally it just blocks release of the docs themselvesMar 28 20:37
leahanywayMar 28 20:37
mjg59_Sometimes there are features that they don't want you to write code for, but usually they just strip that out of the docs beforehand in that caseMar 28 20:37
leahyeah, let's release some source code without docs to go with itMar 28 20:38
CrystalMathi don't like OpenBSD's anti-GPL stanceMar 28 20:38
leahmjg59_: that's what i call "blob masquerading as source code"Mar 28 20:38
leaheven if the code is goodMar 28 20:38
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leahcoreboot is full of that sort of thing, especially on old amd boards that use agesa srcMar 28 20:39
mjg59_Sometimes there aren't docs, whoever did the hardware design just told the software people what to writeMar 28 20:39
mjg59_Not common these days, thoughMar 28 20:39
leahyeah maybe in z80 daysMar 28 20:39
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leahor like, 6502Mar 28 20:40
leahwhich you can pretty much understand from the circuitryMar 28 20:40
bnchswow that was rude ISPMar 28 20:40
leahanyway, i have work to doMar 28 20:40
leahschestowitz-TR: fsf are alright, but i'm disillusioned. i don't think they're our futureMar 28 20:41
leahwe need something betterMar 28 20:41
bnchsour future in technologyMar 28 20:41
bnchsis weak thin clients connected to the "cloud"Mar 28 20:41
bnchsaka someone else's computerMar 28 20:42
bnchswe wont own our data nor our computerMar 28 20:42
bnchssuch demovitating talkMar 28 20:43
techrights-newsLibrePlanet 2022 Talk on Sxmo: Freedom on Mobile Devices Through Simplicity and Hackability | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/03/28/anjandev-momi-talk/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/28/anjandev-momi-talk/Mar 28 20:44
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psydruidour future in technology is what we make of it ourselvesMar 28 20:47
bnchsyeahMar 28 20:47
bnchsto be honest i think gaming "cloud" services are much worse than playing it in a computer you ownMar 28 20:48
DaemonFC"Many bird species in the UK are laying eggs a month earlier than they did 100 years ago." -Richard StallmanMar 28 20:49
DaemonFCWell, I propose two investigations then.Mar 28 20:49
bnchswhy is rms saying thatMar 28 20:50
DaemonFCOne, on how birds are now living to be more than 100 and, two, how they can time travel back 100 years and a month to lay eggs.Mar 28 20:50
DaemonFCThis is certainly disturbing news.Mar 28 20:50
DaemonFCMinceR, ^Mar 28 20:50
bnchswait how are birds laying eggs a month earilerMar 28 20:51
mjg59_A species is not the individual members of that speciesMar 28 20:51
mjg59_bnchs: Climate changeMar 28 20:51
techrights-news⚓ Jarek Duda’s talk was uploaded 55 minutes ago | ♾ Gemini address: Jarek Duda’s talk was uploaded 55 minutes agoMar 28 20:51
bnchswell i guess thats a good reasonMar 28 20:51
DaemonFCIt was a joke, you know.Mar 28 20:51
bnchspeople should stop farting too muchMar 28 20:51
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DaemonFCI certainly don't plan to take the bus.Mar 28 20:52
bnchswe can solve climate changeMar 28 20:52
bnchsby not fartingMar 28 20:52
techrights-newsSecurity Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163082Mar 28 20:52
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DaemonFCNot with something that's burning hundreds of gallons of diesel, obstructing traffic, and is 10% full, mostly with bums, because they have nowhere to be quickly anyway.Mar 28 20:53
DaemonFC(The bus.)Mar 28 20:53
bnchslolMar 28 20:53
activelowclimate change can be solved by simply not wasting resources and energy, without any loss in comfort almost alwaysMar 28 20:53
bnchsbuses are where you're gonna get muggedMar 28 20:53
bnchsand get your wallet stolenMar 28 20:53
DaemonFCI used to call the red line in Chicago "The auger.".Mar 28 20:53
DaemonFCIt would grab criminals from South Chicago and bring them to their victims in the north.Mar 28 20:54
DaemonFCIf you look at violent crime in the north side of Chicago, most of it happens near the red line.Mar 28 20:54
DaemonFCIf you can get even 6-8 blocks away from the red line, it tapers off a lot.Mar 28 20:54
DaemonFCLike, in Rogers Park, 80-90% of it happens at Loyola and Howard, and about 2-3 blocks from there.Mar 28 20:55
bnchsi wonder why people use VSMar 28 20:55
MinceRhttps://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/ginkgoMar 28 20:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - GinkgoMar 28 20:55
bnchsits godawful for anything non-windowsMar 28 20:55
DaemonFCMICROS~1 Visual ShitheapMar 28 20:57
techrights-ipfs-bot ▕  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▁▅▄▅▃▅▅▆▆▅▅▇▇▆▆▆▅▅▅▅▅▆▅▅▆▇▆▅▅▅▁▂▄▁ avg(k/sec) 26.80 ▕  IPFS upstream: ▄▃▁▁▂▂▃▂▁▁▁▂▂█▂▂▁▂▁▂▁▂▁▁▂▂▁▂▁▂▂▃▂▂▂▂▂██▁ avg(k/sec) 16.20▕ swarm size (avg): 302.20  ⟲Mar 28 20:59
DaemonFC"We have a decoy heap so WHEN the program corrupts it, we can replace it in the background!"Mar 28 20:59
DaemonFCMICROS~1 DISTIN~1 ENGINE~1 SOLUTI~1Mar 28 20:59
MinceR:>Mar 28 21:00
bnchsDaemonFC: VS is a jokeMar 28 21:00
bnchsyou cant make the program require adminstrator privsMar 28 21:00
bnchswithout using their shitty installation crapMar 28 21:01
bnchswhich is unnessaryMar 28 21:01
bnchsthey just force it on youMar 28 21:01
bnchsi just remember using itMar 28 21:02
bnchsand couldnt make the program require admin privsMar 28 21:03
bnchswithout a workaround or some shitMar 28 21:03
leahanywayMar 28 21:04
leahthat's the way the news goesMar 28 21:04
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techrights-newsCOVID-19 in the UK: Deaths Soar to About 1,000 a Week as Hospitals See Rise From About 10,000 Patients to Almost 20,000 http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/03/28/borisnaro-piling-up-high/Mar 28 21:06
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techrights-newsDeck-building RPG 'Tainted Grail: Conquest' releases for Linux | GamingOnLinux ⚓ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/deck-building-rpg-tainted-grail-conquest-releases-for-linux/ ䷉ Source: Gaming On Linux | GNU | Linux | GamesMar 28 21:08
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DaemonFChttps://www.salon.com/2021/10/05/mike-lindells-new-genius-plan-knock-on-your-door-and-ask-whether-youre/Mar 28 21:09
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mike Lindell's new genius plan: Knock on your door and ask whether you're dead | Salon.comMar 28 21:09
DaemonFCThey left John on the voter rolls here, and he hasn't lived here in over two years.Mar 28 21:09
DaemonFCYou'd have to be an idiot to risk a voter fraud charge to add one vote to the box in a county with a million people in it.Mar 28 21:10
DaemonFCEspecially when the Democrat Party will stuff the ballot box themselves anyway.Mar 28 21:10
techrights-news[GIT PULL] Char/Misc and other driver updates for 5.18-rc1 - Greg KH ⚓ https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/YkG6jOtPmhHehQoz@kroah.com/ ䷉ Source: kroahMar 28 21:11
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techrights-newsDebian decides to allow secret votes • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163083Mar 28 21:12
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techrights-news"So… containers, we know them for years now but they still tend to cause us problems thanks to the extra layers of abstraction, storage and… Networking." https://blog.tomecek.net/post/debugging-container-networking/Mar 28 21:21
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techrights-newsJust spoke to my nurse aunt in Yorkshire and ANOTHER colleague (and friend) committed suicide. Not the first. This wave of trouble leads to depression. It is not improving.Mar 28 21:25
techrights-newsIf you think this thing is over, you’ve been conned http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/03/28/borisnaro-piling-up-high/Mar 28 21:25
techrights-news"I am big fan of Box86 and Box64 (as well as pretty much everything PtitSeb does) and a few months ago he made it possible to run some Linux Games on Steam (using the mini-mode, the full client is not yet supported)." https://boilingsteam.com/you-can-now-run-steam-games-with-proton-on-an-arm-pc-thanks-to-progress-made-on-box86/Mar 28 21:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-boilingsteam.com | You can now Run Steam Games with Proton on an ARM PC Thanks to Progress Made on Box86! - Boiling SteamMar 28 21:26
techrights-news"Turns out that FrostWork (the main developer) has now access to a Deck and you may see SteamTinkerLaunch on Steam Deck..." https://boilingsteam.com/steamtinkerlaunch-on-steam-deck-signs-of-support/Mar 28 21:27
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techrights-newsTory slogan/motto proposal for next election (if you're a Tory): profit and business over people. COVID-19 is over. Also: NHS is just a business. More patients, more business.Mar 28 21:28
*bnchs (~bnchs@rpt27srzpmtni.irc) has joined #techrightsMar 28 21:30
bnchs/history #techrights 1hMar 28 21:30
schestowitz-TRooofMar 28 21:31
bnchshowMar 28 21:31
bnchshow did it sendMar 28 21:31
techrights-newsGames: Steam, Tainted Grail: Conquest, and More • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163084Mar 28 21:33
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bnchs"The Steam Deck’s preinstalled operating system is a version of Linux used to launch games from a Steam library. The immediate concern with the Deck’s OS is that it’ll lock you into using the Steam Games Launcher and the limited span of titles that comes with."Mar 28 21:36
bnchsok then you look at the followingMar 28 21:37
bnchs"Theoretically, installing Windows 10 on the Steam Deck should allow the Deck to access Xbox Gamepass, PlayStation Now, and the Epic Game Store from the device. On top of that, it might make live streaming from the Steam Deck easier"Mar 28 21:37
bnchsok so game blogs are now masochistsMar 28 21:37
bnchsthey first begin with the tim swine-e argumentMar 28 21:38
bnchsand then encourage steam deck to install an entirely different OS, to get the same thing they can do in the regular steam deck OSMar 28 21:38
bnchsi'm convinced IGN is a microsoft shillMar 28 21:39
bnchsi mean you can already access PS Now from the steam deck's firefox browserMar 28 21:39
bnchsand epic games store = heroic games launcherMar 28 21:39
techrights-newsHas clownflare blacklisted my IP address, except if I run JavaScript??? I cannot even access some sites' RSS feeds...Mar 28 21:40
bnchsand xbox gamepass = M$ bullshitMar 28 21:40
techrights-newsClownflare is cancer on the Web. Do not use it. It doesn't protect you. It's harming you and protecting Clownflare's own business interests.Mar 28 21:41
bnchstechrights-news: funny thing i had to go through 3 motherfucking "anti-ddos" scansMar 28 21:41
bnchsone for the main websiteMar 28 21:41
techrights-newsToday’s #HowTos | #UNIX • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163085Mar 28 21:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesMar 28 21:41
bnchs2 for the thumbnail and image serversMar 28 21:41
bnchs"Additionally, using Windows means that if you're a subscriber to Xbox Game Pass"Mar 28 21:42
schestowitztest https://www.howtoforge.com/feedMar 28 21:43
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schestowitzcan y'all give that url a go?Mar 28 21:43
schestowitztell me if it give you JS challengeMar 28 21:43
schestowitz*givesMar 28 21:43
bnchssureMar 28 21:43
schestowitzwow and it also rejects falkkonMar 28 21:44
schestowitzclownflare=-cancerMar 28 21:44
bnchsit didMar 28 21:44
bnchsi hate clownflareMar 28 21:44
schestowitz-TRso it ran JS for you?Mar 28 21:45
schestowitz-TRbefore letting you in?Mar 28 21:45
bnchsyeahMar 28 21:45
schestowitz-TReven for RSS feed?Mar 28 21:45
bnchsyesMar 28 21:45
schestowitz-TRRemember RSS readers cannot get past itMar 28 21:45
bnchsthis is nothing newMar 28 21:45
schestowitz-TRso those sites just committed suicideMar 28 21:45
psydruiddidn't IGN buy Humble Bundle and discontinue games for Linux and macOS?Mar 28 21:45
schestowitz-TRand they don't know iMar 28 21:45
schestowitz-TRitMar 28 21:45
bnchsi had to go through this shit 3 timesMar 28 21:45
schestowitz-TRshould I email them?Mar 28 21:45
bnchsone for the main websiteMar 28 21:45
schestowitz-TRthis has gone on for about a weekMar 28 21:45
bnchs2 for the image server and thumbnails serverMar 28 21:45
bnchswithout the image serverMar 28 21:45
bnchsthe image just doesnt appearMar 28 21:45
bnchsthis is for a websiteMar 28 21:46
schestowitz-TRclownflare protects them from visitorsMar 28 21:46
schestowitz-TRclownflare protects them from trafficMar 28 21:46
schestowitz-TRclownflare protects them from audienceMar 28 21:46
schestowitz-TRwell done, CFMar 28 21:46
schestowitz-TRthey have nothing to loseMar 28 21:46
schestowitz-TRthe sites doMar 28 21:46
bnchsclownflare cant tell if the server is supposed to serve HTMLMar 28 21:46
bnchsor other typesMar 28 21:46
schestowitz-TRCF: let us mine some "crypto" on your machineMar 28 21:46
bnchsso it automatically assumes it serves HTMLMar 28 21:46
psydruid"special military operation" on GNU/Linux on behalf of MicrosoftMar 28 21:47
bnchsthus breaking shit like video players, image viewersMar 28 21:47
schestowitz-TRI'll focus even more on geminiMar 28 21:47
bnchsRSS feed readersMar 28 21:47
schestowitz-TRthe www is already cancerousMar 28 21:47
schestowitz-TReven rss feeds are not expected to solve JS challengesMar 28 21:47
schestowitz-TRw t actual f!Mar 28 21:47
bnchsschestowitz-TR: they already inject telemetry script to html pagesMar 28 21:47
bnchsthat goes away after you refreshMar 28 21:48
bnchsto hide the fact it was thereMar 28 21:48
bnchsi like xbox gamepassMar 28 21:48
techrights-news"Whitney joined Jerm Warfare for a conversation covering her journey into journalism and Chile; fact-checkers; Bill Gates; central intelligence; Facebook versus mass surveillance; Jeffrey Epstein" https://unlimitedhangout.com/2022/03/press/jerm-warfare-deep-diving-into-epstein-9-11-covid-and-more/Mar 28 21:48
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bnchsand how xbox gamepass is locked to windowsMar 28 21:48
bnchsthey mention it in the steam deck (how to install windows) blog postMar 28 21:49
psydruidXbox gamepass is coolMar 28 21:49
bnchs"Additionally, using Windows means that if you're a subscriber to Xbox Game Pass"Mar 28 21:49
bnchsyeah xbox gamepassMar 28 21:49
bnchsmicrosoft buying out game companiesMar 28 21:49
bnchslocking them into windowsMar 28 21:50
bnchsthey wouldnt do this if their OS wasnt rottingMar 28 21:50
psydruidit encrypts your game files in such a way that the only thing that gives you back your storage is formatting the entire driveMar 28 21:50
bnchsits obvious they doing this to regain market shareMar 28 21:50
bnchsgoing the hard wayMar 28 21:50
psydruidI hope they'll buy up all gaming companiesMar 28 21:51
bnchsyou dont see tim swine-e complain about thisMar 28 21:51
bnchshes too busy up on apple's assMar 28 21:51
bnchsand sucking M$'s dickMar 28 21:51
techrights-newsElectromechanical four-digit seven-segment clock displays the time silently | Arduino Blog ⚓ https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/03/28/electromechanical-four-digit-seven-segment-clock-displays-the-time-silently/ ䷉ Source: Arduino | Hardware | OpenHardware | HackingMar 28 21:52
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psydruidhe only sees the pearls that have been cast before himMar 28 21:52
psydruidsince he is a swine-e after allMar 28 21:52
bnchsxbox gamepass and epic games store are hell-bent on locking games to windowsMar 28 21:54
psydruidMicrosoft probably realizes that they can buy all the companies in the world and it still won't do anything for themMar 28 21:54
psydruidnew companies will come up all the tineMar 28 21:55
techrights-newsCrossing the Chasm Toward the Tipping Point https://puri.sm/posts/crossing-the-chasm-toward-the-tipping-point/ Todd Weaver. Leah might have a thing to say...Mar 28 21:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-puri.sm | Crossing the Chasm Toward the Tipping Point – PurismMar 28 21:55
bnchstheir os isnt for productive usage anywayMar 28 21:55
psydruidit's like Intel thinking that x86 processors will forever be in demandMar 28 21:55
bnchslike most windows users, its just a gaming OSMar 28 21:55
bnchsessentially a toy OSMar 28 21:55
bnchsand forever will beMar 28 21:56
psydruidnow they feel threatened because it might not even be a gaming OS in the futureMar 28 21:56
bnchsthats why they're buying out all these game companies and locking them to windowsMar 28 21:57
bnchsits the only thing that matters to themMar 28 21:57
psydruidI haven't bought a Windows game in agesMar 28 21:57
bnchswindows shills are still acting that linux isnt ready for desktopMar 28 21:58
bnchsthat its unstable and theres fewer people using itMar 28 21:58
bnchsand "headaches"Mar 28 21:58
psydruidciting "95%" market share on desktopsMar 28 21:58
psydruidit's more like 75% nowMar 28 21:59
techrights-news"Valve’s Steam Deck is adept at running everything from indie PC games like Tunic to power-hungry AAA titles like Cyberpunk 2077 and Elden Ring. But it’s rapidly becoming known for another strength: its ability to emulate a vast range of retro and current consoles, from the Atari 2600" http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163084#comment-33223Mar 28 21:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Steam, Tainted Grail: Conquest, and More | Tux MachinesMar 28 21:59
psydruidand even lower in the USMar 28 21:59
psydruidI think that's the thing that worries them the mostMar 28 21:59
psydruidthey're losing their home marketMar 28 22:00
techrights-newsOpen Hardware/Modding: Librem, Arduino, and ESP32 • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163086Mar 28 22:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open Hardware/Modding: Librem, Arduino, and ESP32 | Tux MachinesMar 28 22:00
bnchsyesMar 28 22:00
bnchsthey've drove them away from their strict specsMar 28 22:00
bnchsnobody's buying another computer to run windows 11Mar 28 22:00
psydruidSkylake runs GNU/Linux perfectlyMar 28 22:01
psydruidAlder Lake runs it 3 times as perfectlyMar 28 22:02
techrights-newsMangoPi’s SD-card sized Linux PC • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163087Mar 28 22:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | MangoPi's SD-card sized Linux PC | Tux MachinesMar 28 22:02
schestowitz-TRpsydruid: riscv ^^Mar 28 22:03
bnchsi have interest in m68kMar 28 22:03
bnchssomething about them attracts meMar 28 22:03
schestowitz-TRcheck out the sizeMar 28 22:03
schestowitz-TRwMar 28 22:03
schestowitz-TRtMar 28 22:03
schestowitz-TRfMar 28 22:03
schestowitz"showing off a new computer-on-a-module that’s smaller than an SD card, but which packs four ARM Cortex-A53 CPU cores, "Mar 28 22:04
bnchslolMar 28 22:04
psydruidsometimes I wonder if Microsoft is running some "special military operation" to make GNU/Linux just as bloated as Windows 11, so the latter doesn't look as bad anymoreMar 28 22:04
bnchsaccurate representation of the size of gnu/linuxMar 28 22:04
schestowitz-TRapple: hold ma beerMar 28 22:04
bnchsgnu/linux would be anorexicMar 28 22:04
psydruidschestowitz, we knew it was comingMar 28 22:04
schestowitz-TRcoming soon, a 20KG machine for $5000 with 50watts socketsMar 28 22:04
bnchsand windows would be a giant landwhaleMar 28 22:04
bnchsit was obviousMar 28 22:04
schestowitz-TRmicrosoft=briberyMar 28 22:05
schestowitz-TRmicrosoft "success"= crimeMar 28 22:05
bnchsin the future, you wouldnt be able to run windows in laptopsMar 28 22:05
psydruidthis will marginalise Microsoft and AppleMar 28 22:05
schestowitz-TRmicrosoft sponsors: biden, trumpMar 28 22:05
schestowitz-TRMOAR money, for... erm... hololens somethingMar 28 22:05
schestowitz-TRnever mind if they canned ALL the staffMar 28 22:05
schestowitz-TRgive these gentlemen 22,000,000,000 bucksMar 28 22:05
schestowitz-TRthe us taxpayers will pay back 2 generations from nowMar 28 22:06
bnchsschestowitz-TR: there should be a BMI for computer softwareMar 28 22:06
schestowitz-TRpsydruid: they will ban chinese companiesMar 28 22:06
schestowitz-TRthen blackmail EU top do the sameMar 28 22:06
schestowitz-TRUK will bowMar 28 22:06
schestowitz-TRthe rest of Europe... more reluctantlyMar 28 22:06
schestowitz-TRfirst they ignoreMar 28 22:07
schestowitz-TRthen they banMar 28 22:07
schestowitz-TRthen you windowsMar 28 22:07
schestowitz-TR"illegal" technologyMar 28 22:07
bnchswindows wouldnt be able to run in a SD-card sized computerMar 28 22:07
schestowitz-TRtoo competiveMar 28 22:07
bnchsbecause it is too big for thatMar 28 22:07
schestowitz-TRquick, microbell, MOAR x86 ads!Mar 28 22:07
schestowitz-TR[19:35] <techrights-news> Microbell us running Intel ads again https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-Core-i9-12900KSMar 28 22:07
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Intel Launches The Core i9 12900KS At Up To 5.5GHz Alder Lake - PhoronixMar 28 22:07
schestowitz-TR[20:17] <techrights-news> Not about Linux. Intel SPAM. x86 is relic./ C'mon, Liam... https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/intel-announced-the-core-i9-12900ks-as-the-worlds-fastest-desktop-processor/Mar 28 22:08
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Intel announced the Core i9 12900KS as the 'world's fastest desktop processor' | GamingOnLinuxMar 28 22:08
bnchslolMar 28 22:08
schestowitz-TRCNX did one tooMar 28 22:08
bnchsfastest desktop processorMar 28 22:08
schestowitz-TRsome chinese company a few hours ago... wait, no, japeneseMar 28 22:08
bnchsso windows can eat more than 75% of itMar 28 22:08
schestowitz-TRsome intel crapMar 28 22:08
bnchsand leave you with nothingMar 28 22:08
schestowitz-TRbut power billsMar 28 22:08
psydruidx86 hardware from 6-10 years ago is already fast enoughMar 28 22:09
schestowitz-TRi mean, energy prices are soooo low nowMar 28 22:09
schestowitz-TRright?Mar 28 22:09
schestowitz-TRall my laptops but one are oldMar 28 22:09
schestowitz-TR2016 ishMar 28 22:09
bnchsschestowitz-TR: microsoft expects you to have the following thingsMar 28 22:09
bnchs1) a 1TB SSDMar 28 22:09
bnchs2) more than 16 gb ramMar 28 22:09
schestowitz-TRlolMar 28 22:09
schestowitz-TRwhat for?Mar 28 22:10
bnchs3) a very modern processorMar 28 22:10
psydruidand ARM and RISC-V hardware is reaching the same performance levels with much lower power consumptionMar 28 22:10
schestowitz-TRwhat software uses up that RAM?Mar 28 22:10
bnchsschestowitz-TR: microsoft's towers of technical debtMar 28 22:10
schestowitz-TRsadMar 28 22:10
schestowitz-TRfor the machinewMar 28 22:10
schestowitz-TRit'll choke up on its own bloodMar 28 22:10
schestowitz-TRand vomit it outMar 28 22:10
schestowitz-TRafter 2 yearsMar 28 22:10
schestowitz-TRbuy a new machineMar 28 22:10
bnchsits like a fatassMar 28 22:11
bnchsthat cant lose weightMar 28 22:11
bnchssoon it will be unusableMar 28 22:11
bnchsand dieMar 28 22:11
psydruidcan only gain more weightMar 28 22:11
schestowitz-TRno, noMar 28 22:11
schestowitz-TRthe bribes will need to be higherMar 28 22:11
psydruidand die of a heart attackMar 28 22:11
schestowitz-TRand they will need to gag their directors hardersMar 28 22:11
schestowitz-TRso that they stop talking to the media about the bribesMar 28 22:11
schestowitz-TR*harderMar 28 22:11
bnchsthey're gonna need higher bribesMar 28 22:12
bnchsmaybe to offset the expensive hardwareMar 28 22:12
bnchsto have even a bit of usabilityMar 28 22:12
schestowitz-TRother perks possible Mar 28 22:12
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2010/02/07/microsoft-orgies-and-drugs/Mar 28 22:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Refuses to Comment About (Deny) the Sex Parties, Drug Use | TechrightsMar 28 22:13
schestowitzask at the reception for available perksMar 28 22:13
schestowitzif the bribes are not enoughMar 28 22:13
psydruidWindows 11 is slow in a VM and probably slow on bare metal tooMar 28 22:13
bnchsits like a fatass that needs more powerful mobility scootersMar 28 22:13
bnchsevery yearMar 28 22:13
psydruidit's a product no one wants and asked forMar 28 22:13
bnchsand chairs that can hold more weightMar 28 22:14
bnchseventually the chairs and mobility scooters will be so expensiveMar 28 22:15
bnchsthat its becoming less and less worth it to keep it goingMar 28 22:15
psydruidthose are better for hitting developers who don't comply with the rules Mar 28 22:15
psydruidthey are heavier and make a bigger impactMar 28 22:16
bnchsthis is why windows 11 has a shopping list of specsMar 28 22:16
bnchs"yeah i gotta need a mobility scooter that can hold up to 600 poundsMar 28 22:17
bnchsand maybe a bed that can hold my shit"Mar 28 22:17
bnchsall kinds of fat metaphorsMar 28 22:17
bnchsgnu/linux is like that anorexic guyMar 28 22:17
bnchsthat doesnt make an impact on performanceMar 28 22:18
psydruidmy niece can't work with windows (anymore)Mar 28 22:20
techrights-newsLinks 28/03/2022: Porteus Kiosk 5.4.0 and Debian Secret Votes | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/03/28/debian-secret-votes/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/28/debian-secret-votes/Mar 28 22:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 28/03/2022: Porteus Kiosk 5.4.0 and Debian Secret Votes | TechrightsMar 28 22:20
bnchswell obviouslyMar 28 22:20
psydruidI doubt it will even exist in another generationMar 28 22:20
techrights-newsProgramming Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163088Mar 28 22:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux MachinesMar 28 22:20
techrights-newsAnchor Free Software in the 2022 German Federal Budget! • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163089Mar 28 22:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Anchor Free Software in the 2022 German Federal Budget! | Tux MachinesMar 28 22:20
bnchswhen a OS becomes morbidly obese, it becomes harder for them to do daily activitesMar 28 22:20
bnchsi can make up all kinds of fat metaphors for windowsMar 28 22:21
DaemonFC"No. Those businesses have no lobbying muscle at all. And more to the point, the various mayors and governors gave zero fucks about those businesses during the decades when the tech companies were building their own "free" cafeterias and restaurants directly into their office towers. Those companies did the math and figured out that if they served their employee a $6 meal in-house, they'd get an extra 2 hours work out of them every day. And all Mar 28 22:23
DaemonFCthey had to do was shank that hot dog cart, that food truck, that pizzeria. Zero fucks were given while that was happening."Mar 28 22:23
DaemonFCThe Catholic Church slashed mom's pension and hours.Mar 28 22:23
MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/MSZQtZI.jpegMar 28 22:24
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DaemonFCBut she still gets "free" meals on her shifts. What's left of them.Mar 28 22:24
DaemonFCIt essentially costs them nothing because they order industrial sized quantities of food from their vendors anyway. In fact, the more they order, the cheaper it is per unit.Mar 28 22:24
DaemonFCSo feeding employees doesn't really cost anything.Mar 28 22:25
bnchswhat do they feed themMar 28 22:25
techrights-newsmanley gemini://november.smol.pub/two-gendersMar 28 22:25
DaemonFCWhatever the nursing home residents there are eating that day.Mar 28 22:25
DaemonFCShe said it is good stuff.Mar 28 22:25
techrights-newsICBM pushing more buzzwords, not security https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/5-security-considerations-edge-implementationsMar 28 22:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | 5 security considerations for edge implementationsMar 28 22:26
techrights-news"Cloudflare "server" is third ahead of the traditional third (Microsoft IIS) - I somewhat knew that Cloudflare was hosting a lot of stuff, but I somehow didn't expect to see it there at all for some reason" https://anarc.at/blog/2022-03-28-wtf-web-servers/Mar 28 22:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-anarc.at | What is going on with web servers - anarcatMar 28 22:28
leah22:26 <leah> so anyway, i made a joke earlier about zfs, regarding its data integrity and checksumming capabilitys, and general resiliencyMar 28 22:29
leah22:27 <leah> i also said hammer2 is pretty similar, but the joke went like:Mar 28 22:29
leah22:27 --> red_ (~red@2a0a-a546-809c-0-6050-bc23-7379-7c1d.ipv6dyn.netcologne.de) has joined #fsfMar 28 22:29
leah22:27 <leah> btrfs has similar capabilities, to a lesser extentMar 28 22:29
leah22:28 <leah> >lesser extentMar 28 22:29
techrights-newsBetter delete it and use a better browser, which isn't proprietary and maintained by NSA partner https://www.itechpost.com/articles/109754/20220328/update-google-chrome-download-security-computer-android.htmMar 28 22:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itechpost.com | Update Google Chrome Now: How To Download Chrome Security Update on Mac, Linux, Windows, Android | iTech PostMar 28 22:29
leahthought i'd also share it here. it's a very sophisticated joke about extentsMar 28 22:29
leah> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extent_(file_systems)Mar 28 22:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Extent (file systems) - WikipediaMar 28 22:29
techrights-news"Cyber security is a huge topic, and through the years the industry changes rapidly to keep up with current threats and related challenges. As a result, some of the beliefs and mindsets we've adopted in the industry have changed as well" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=_UA_ClVQ5DYMar 28 22:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Enterprise Linux Security Episode 23 - Busting 5 IT Security Myths - InvidiousMar 28 22:30
schestowitz-TRleah: to what extent do you find that humourous|?Mar 28 22:31
schestowitz-TRbtw:Mar 28 22:31
leahto the extent that fsck is obsoleteMar 28 22:31
leahzfs doesn't have itMar 28 22:31
leah:PMar 28 22:31
schestowitz-TR[21:55] <techrights-news> Crossing the Chasm Toward the Tipping Point https://puri.sm/posts/crossing-the-chasm-toward-the-tipping-point/ Todd Weaver. Leah might have a thing to say...Mar 28 22:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-puri.sm | Crossing the Chasm Toward the Tipping Point – PurismMar 28 22:31
schestowitz-TRi heard he is an unpleasant person to work with or forMar 28 22:32
leahwhateverMar 28 22:33
leahfuck purismMar 28 22:33
techrights-newsAnjandev Momi’s talk was uploaded 50 minutes ago http://techrights.org/2022/03/28/anjandev-momi-talk/Mar 28 22:33
leahi crossed the chasm back in 2013Mar 28 22:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | LibrePlanet 2022 Talk on Sxmo: Freedom on Mobile Devices Through Simplicity and Hackability | TechrightsMar 28 22:33
schestowitz-TRpurr ismMar 28 22:34
techrights-newsJarek Duda’s talk was uploaded 55 minutes ago http://techrights.org/2022/03/28/ans-talk-by-jarek-duda/Mar 28 22:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | LibrePlanet 2022 Talk Software Patent Issues (by Jarek Duda) | TechrightsMar 28 22:34
activelowso, patched away cmake in a handful of packages required in the base system; there is no helpers to migrate cmake back to autotoolsMar 28 22:34
activeloweither old configure.ac etc are available, or some simple Makefile has to be writtenMar 28 22:35
activelowthat's nasty, because packages which otherwise do not need a c++ compiler, when cmake is involved it is required, to build cmakeMar 28 22:35
activelowanyway, it isn't many packages affected, not yet.Mar 28 22:36
techrights-newsToday in #Techrights • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163090Mar 28 22:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesMar 28 22:36
bnchswowMar 28 22:37
DaemonFChttps://www.nature.com/articles/s4225%206-022-00465-9?fbclid=IwAR11_V1cd9SUxEvUfwrWMA7TUcroyYIY1nBDUL3KaS-8B4rG5MIqZCmjm0MMar 28 22:37
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 400 @ https://www.nature.com/articles/s4225 6-022-00465-9?fbclid=IwAR11_V1cd9SUxEvUfwrWMA7TUcroyYIY1nBDUL3KaS-8B4rG5MIqZCmjm0M&error=cookies_not_supported&code=6cda2515-6403-48a0-a1df-3f43bd539cf2 )Mar 28 22:37
bnchsactivelow: have you thought about allowing a specific version of c++Mar 28 22:37
bnchsmaybe C++98?Mar 28 22:37
activelowbnchs: of cause, yet c++ is not permitted in the base system; it will be available outside the basesystem onlyMar 28 22:37
DaemonFC"In less than 6 hours after starting on our in-house server, our model generated 40,000 molecules that scored within our desired threshold. In the process, the AI designed not only VX, but also many other known chemical warfare agents that we identified through visual confirmation with structures in public chemistry databases.Mar 28 22:38
DaemonFCMany new molecules were also designed that looked equally plausible. These new molecules were predicted to be more toxic, based on the predicted LD50 values, than publicly known chemical warfare agents. This was unexpected because the datasets we used for training the AI did not include these nerve agents.Mar 28 22:38
DaemonFCThe virtual molecules even occupied a region of molecular property space that was entirely separate from the many thousands of molecules in the organism-specific LD50 model, which comprises mainly pesticides, environmental toxins and drugs. By inverting the use of our machine learning models, we had transformed our innocuous generative model from a helpful tool of medicine to a generator of likely deadly molecules."Mar 28 22:38
bnchsyeahMar 28 22:38
bnchsmaybe a c++ repoMar 28 22:38
bnchsfor the oackage managerMar 28 22:38
DaemonFCThey "accidentally" created an "AI" to design neurotoxins instead of medicine?Mar 28 22:38
activelowbnchs: ?Mar 28 22:39
bnchsDaemonFC: portal referenceMar 28 22:39
bnchsactivelow: i mean packages for c++98 packagesMar 28 22:39
techrights-newsCorrupt Gartner, bribed by serial briber Microsoft https://www.marketscreener.com/quote/stock/GARTNER-INC-40311131/news/Gartner-It-s-Time-to-Implement-MFA-for-Remote-Privileged-Access-to-Linux-Servers-39890331/ see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gartner_GroupMar 28 22:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Gartner : It's Time to Implement MFA for Remote Privileged Access to Linux Servers | MarketScreenerMar 28 22:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Gartner Group - TechrightsMar 28 22:40
activelowno, i created a gentoo profile and overlay which prevents any c++ dependency; and with emerge utility an ordinary profile which permits c++ will reside in a separated $sysrootMar 28 22:41
MinceRwhat's wrong about newer c++ versions than 98?Mar 28 22:41
bnchsactivelow: i get itMar 28 22:41
bnchsc++98 only has the basic amounts of c++Mar 28 22:41
bnchslike classes and namespaceMar 28 22:41
bnchsi thinkMar 28 22:42
activelowprobably various libstdc++ extensions tooMar 28 22:42
techrights-newsJack M. Germain helps the FUD campaign looking to stigmatise Free software as the real security problem https://www.linuxinsider.com/story/new-platform-pushes-data-dirty-pipe-and-dns-tunnel-pollute-linux-plumbing-87468.htmlMar 28 22:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-New Platform Pushes Data, Dirty Pipe and DNS Tunnel Pollute Linux Plumbing | LinuxInsiderMar 28 22:42
activelowbtw. when working for german automotive car manufacturer, they did allow C++ _without_ exceptions and rtti onlyMar 28 22:43
techrights-newsThis busy-loop is not a security issue | daniel.haxx.se ⚓ https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/03/28/this-busy-loop-is-not-a-security-issue/ ䷉ Source: curlMar 28 22:43
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activelowand, with the C-only criteria i am rather relaxed even, since automotive insists on MISRA-C even, in some placesMar 28 22:44
activelowmeaning, c++, no exceptions, no-rttiMar 28 22:44
activelowbecause they didn't want the compiler to generate some code; instead implemented custom error handlers explicitelyMar 28 22:45
activelowthat's another reason why, i find C11 _generic macro suspicios, for example, which sneaked into kernel v5.10Mar 28 22:45
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matey/me just came to laugh at debianMar 28 22:46
mateyfsf has anti-whistleblower policy, debian has secret votingMar 28 22:47
mateynext freedesktop will start doing blood oathsMar 28 22:47
MinceRor it could just become a division of ibm/deadratMar 28 22:47
matey(though im pretty sure lennart is a standin for mark zuckerberg at bohemian grove already)Mar 28 22:47
MinceRor of whatever will form from the merger of MICROS~1 and ibm/deadratMar 28 22:47
techrights-newsICBM: "We will be updating and rebooting various servers to bring them up to date. During the outage window any services may be up and down as proxies and gateways are rebooted. Any fedoraproject services may be affected with the exception of mirrorlists and static web content."Mar 28 22:47
mateymicbmrosoftMar 28 22:48
techrights-newsSecurity and Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt (FUD) Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163091Mar 28 22:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security and Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt (FUD) Leftovers | Tux MachinesMar 28 22:48
MinceRfuckerberg is too cool to go to bohemian grove personally?Mar 28 22:48
MinceRi see what you did thereMar 28 22:48
mateyi think lennart is a horcrux for zuckerbergMar 28 22:49
schestowitz-TRmatey: so now debian has more things to be leakedMar 28 22:49
psydruidhow many (substance ab)users does fedora still have?Mar 28 22:49
MinceR:)Mar 28 22:50
techrights-newsYou Can’t Afford NOT To See This Movie! (Save Yourself and Your Data) - Invidious ⚓ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=p75Yx-2liRA ䷉ Source: Video | Invidious | MultimediaMar 28 22:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | You Can't Afford NOT To See This Movie! (Save Yourself and Your Data) - InvidiousMar 28 22:50
mateymaybe this is like when lindsay lohan has her "iphone hacked"Mar 28 22:50
techrights-newsAlpine 3.12.11, 3.13.9, 3.14.5 and 3.15.3 released • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163092Mar 28 22:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Alpine 3.12.11, 3.13.9, 3.14.5 and 3.15.3 released | Tux MachinesMar 28 22:50
mateyaur debian just wants to be noticed moreMar 28 22:50
mateyfedebian, coming soonMar 28 22:51
mateydebora sounds too much like deborahMar 28 22:51
activelowthat's remarkable too, none of the major distros can downgrade anymore to what BaphometOS offersMar 28 22:51
schestowitzdeb in debian is deborahMar 28 22:51
mateyi knowMar 28 22:52
mateyso fedebian makes more sense than deb + fedora = deboraMar 28 22:52
mateyfedianMar 28 22:52
DaemonFCfuduntuMar 28 22:52
schestowitzdebLANMar 28 22:52
mateyim still partial to debibmMar 28 22:52
activelowmeaning none of those distros could offer a clean c-only base system anymore even if they wanted toMar 28 22:53
mateywe could be overreactingMar 28 22:53
mateybaphometos sounds like the sort of thing they would vote on in secretMar 28 22:53
schestowitz-TRbig bullsMar 28 22:53
schestowitz-TR(eye)Mar 28 22:53
kingoffrancei like the name, it will keep away shallow ppl.   the worst thing that ever happened to freebsd is when they got the ball logo :/Mar 28 22:54
matey/me thinks alan partridge should make a distro called fernandOSMar 28 22:54
bnchsmatey: free desktop will start group praying to cthuluMar 28 22:54
activelowsame with the *BSD, who switched to llvm/clang and/or modern gcc; doubt they could fork/back-down anymoreMar 28 22:54
techrights-news"There is some weird software for Linux out there and some of the weirdest are in the file manager and file viewer space especially when you start looking at the older software which hasn't been updated in years and fsv is one of those" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=bTSWxE0iY3oMar 28 22:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Another Weird File Viewer You've Never Heard Of - InvidiousMar 28 22:54
mateybnchs: if freedesktop gets worse great old ones might start praying to themMar 28 22:55
mateylennart systemd ftagn!Mar 28 22:55
mateyWHO SUMMONED MEMar 28 22:55
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mateyusually "wontfix" isnt written in wet, dripping ethereal bloodMar 28 22:56
activelowthe problem with baphometos... i cannot easily upgrade to recent kernel versions anymore, patched kernel-5.10 was a slight headache already, and chances are it gets worse with later versionMar 28 22:56
matey"i cannot easily upgrade to recent kernel versions anymore" this is a featureMar 28 22:57
activelowmaybe, OpenBSD didn't loose track of their portable c compiler, hadn't heard of any progress since year 2007 anymoreMar 28 22:57
mateyi dont believe compatibility with anything but llvm is a goalMar 28 22:57
mateygranted, i am no fan of llvmMar 28 22:57
kingoffrance"Another Weird File Viewer You've Never Heard Of"  fsv is well known...." It is a clone of SGI's fsn file manager for IRIX"  they used it to manage jurassic parkMar 28 22:57
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matey/me used fsv years ago-- in debianMar 28 22:58
MinceRwhat is there in debian that the cult of gnome/proprietarydesktop.org/systemd/systemd-kerneld wants to adopt anyway?Mar 28 22:58
mateymincer: the souls of countless virgin usersMar 28 22:58
matey(im not saying theyre all virgins-- they certainly fucked us pretty good)Mar 28 22:58
bnchsthey gather the soulsMar 28 22:58
bnchsto use as energyMar 28 22:58
psydruid"I will eat your soul"Mar 28 22:58
MinceRthen all they need to do is have debian switch from a somewhat independent systemd/systemd-kerneld distribution to a fedora spinMar 28 22:59
techrights-ipfs-bot ▕  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▄▅▆▅▅▅▆▆▆▆▅█▅▅▅▆█▇▄▆▇▆▅▆▇▇▄▄▅▅▆▅▅▁ avg(k/sec) 38.81 ▕  IPFS upstream: ▂▂▂▁▂▂▂▃▂▁▁▂▁▂▁▁▁▂▂▂▁▂▂▁▂▁▃▁█▁▁▂▂▁▁ avg(k/sec) 25.58▕ swarm size (avg): 307.40  ⟲Mar 28 22:59
MinceRthey can just put their own name and logo on itMar 28 22:59
mateyif debian isnt a fedora spin alreadyMar 28 22:59
psydruid"come to daddy"Mar 28 22:59
MinceRafaik they waste a lot of work on reproducing fedora currentlyMar 28 22:59
DaemonFCThe Cyberdemon got me a couple of times before I realized you couldn't hurt it without the Soul Cube.Mar 28 22:59
kingoffrances/cyber/system/ ?Mar 28 23:00
mateyif you play the debian installer backwards it says "HAIL KING BILL"Mar 28 23:00
MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/817819.jpgMar 28 23:01
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DaemonFCDoom 3 was a better game than Doom (2016).Mar 28 23:01
DaemonFCThe 2016 game is too easy.Mar 28 23:01
mateythe only reason ikea was mad is they didnt want people installed debian on itMar 28 23:02
bnchsits a legendMar 28 23:02
bnchsthat debian gathers the souls of virgin usersMar 28 23:02
bnchsto use for rituals for bad entitiesMar 28 23:02
mateytheyre trying to open the portalMar 28 23:02
mateyto let the undead armies throughMar 28 23:02
XRevan86MinceR: There is like a collection of Putin quotes that condemn what Putin later did.Mar 28 23:03
MinceR:>Mar 28 23:03
mateywho will rewrite the entire repo in vbsMar 28 23:03
MinceRsame as with orbanMar 28 23:03
mateyThere is like a collection of Putin quotes that condemn what Putin later did. <- same as with gates on patentsMar 28 23:03
mateydebian in vbs: "almost as fuckawful as if they did it in rust"Mar 28 23:04
mateyr# is going to be the shitMar 28 23:04
mateyits the unholy merger of rust and monoMar 28 23:04
MinceR:)Mar 28 23:04
MinceRyes, but without "the"Mar 28 23:04
mateyfirst they redo the linux kernel in rustMar 28 23:05
mateythen they redo rust in r#Mar 28 23:05
MinceR:>Mar 28 23:05
mateythen gkh starts riding around in western europe topless on a horseMar 28 23:05
mateyi still think he looks like jaws from the spy who loved meMar 28 23:06
mateyis that badMar 28 23:06
XRevan86Putin 2008: it is unacceptable to consider leadership as permanentMar 28 23:06
MinceRlolMar 28 23:06
mateyhe meant OTHER leadershipMar 28 23:07
mateyOTHER leadershipMar 28 23:07
XRevan86it was regarding changing the Constitution of RussiaMar 28 23:07
mateyor possibly he was speaking only to foreign leadersMar 28 23:07
XRevan86He said multiple times that it must not be changed.Mar 28 23:07
matey"it is unacceptable to consider YOUR leadership as permanent"Mar 28 23:08
mateyit was mangled a little in translationMar 28 23:08
XRevan86Of course he later changed it.Mar 28 23:08
mateyand then killed the editorsMar 28 23:08
MinceRthat's like the "granite-solid basic law" in hungary which was then amended several times in its first year by the same fideath that wrote itMar 28 23:08
MinceR29 000156 < DaemonFC> The 2016 game is too easy.Mar 28 23:09
MinceRhave you tried it on ultra-nightmare?Mar 28 23:09
matey<XRevan86> it was regarding changing the Constitution of Russia <- it may have been regarding ethical source licensesMar 28 23:10
matey"this shouldnt be in a software license, but if its what the people want, im willing to grant it"Mar 28 23:10
mateyputin source licenses are going to be funMar 28 23:12
mateyrestriction 3 is no one can change the source code of the softwareMar 28 23:13
mateybut of course he still changes itMar 28 23:13
DaemonFChttps://www.jwz.org/blog/2022/03/london-breeds-big-covid-failure/Mar 28 23:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jwz.org | jwz: London Breed's big COVID failureMar 28 23:13
MinceR:>Mar 28 23:13
activelowsalary only in RublesMar 28 23:13
mateyoh speaking of restriction 3, its jwz.orgMar 28 23:13
DaemonFC"Look up each and every statement Breed has made about COVID in the last, oh, six months or so, but replace "COVID" with "HIV" or "AIDS" and replace "masks" with "condoms." How does that sound to you?Mar 28 23:14
DaemonFCImagine the mayor of any city holding a press conference and declaring that no one needs to wear condoms ever again. Imagine that same mayor being seen publicly shirking the very anti-AIDS protocols they themselves put into effect and calling their critics "fun police."Mar 28 23:14
DaemonFCImagine that same mayor originally touting an anti-HIV vaccine -- one made in record time with astounding efficacy -- only to suddenly reverse course and say that everyone, infected or not, should just learn to "live with HIV/AIDS".Mar 28 23:14
DaemonFCI know, I know: That's an absurd metaphor. After all, HIV isn't airborne."Mar 28 23:14
DaemonFCEvery Democrat, really.Mar 28 23:14
DaemonFCIt's an election year so now they take on the position the Republicans have had all along with COVID.Mar 28 23:14
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mateyi suppose nancy pelosi is going to shock everyone when she comes into work wearing horns and painting her-- wait, how is that different from usualMar 28 23:16
mateyand then posting it on facebook obviouslyMar 28 23:17
mateywith her boots up on her own deskMar 28 23:17
mateyand then jk rowling will tell us its actually hermoine granger nancy pelosi, all alongMar 28 23:19
mateybecause when she was homeless and writing hp huddled under a bus stop she always fancied going into american politicsMar 28 23:19
mateyor maybe becoming megarich actually makes you insaneMar 28 23:20
DaemonFChttps://wgntv.com/news/trending/walmart-to-end-cigarette-sales-in-some-storesMar 28 23:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wgntv.com | Walmart to end cigarette sales in some stores | WGN-TVMar 28 23:21
DaemonFCSome....Mar 28 23:21
mateyim pretty sure thats just because the employees are trading them as currency nowMar 28 23:22
DaemonFCLOLMar 28 23:22
DaemonFCHedging against inflation with cigarettes.Mar 28 23:22
mateyits not really a depression until people stop using cigarettes as currency and are forced to trade against packets of ramenMar 28 23:23
DaemonFCThat first doctor I talked to about my blood pressure was so condescending.Mar 28 23:24
DaemonFC"Don't eat ramen noodles!" three times... THREE.Mar 28 23:24
DaemonFCAfter I said, "I don't eat those.".Mar 28 23:24
activelowthe videos from Ukraine, with alarm sirens, reminds me of my childhood, in east-germany, when those sirens regularly emitted their noiseMar 28 23:24
mateyramen noodles being the leading cause of hypertensionMar 28 23:24
mateyyoud think it was smokingMar 28 23:24
mateybut actually, more people eat ramenMar 28 23:25
DaemonFCWell, the Gimmedat Party raised the taxes on those.Mar 28 23:25
DaemonFCThey're $13 a pack now.Mar 28 23:25
DaemonFCSo people buy trunks of them and drive back from Wisconsin.Mar 28 23:25
DaemonFCInstant black market.Mar 28 23:25
DaemonFCOr Black market.Mar 28 23:25
mateyi wont use an entire ramen seasoning packet of courseMar 28 23:25
DaemonFCOr deny market.Mar 28 23:25
mateyi assume thats only meant for horsesMar 28 23:25
mateycnn calls it "horse seasoning" but i really have no horse in that raceMar 28 23:26
mateybut there is a shitload of sodium in ramen packetsMar 28 23:27
mateythey might sneak some into the noodles, but i think its mostly in the seasoning packetMar 28 23:27
mateyyou can get hot sauce that has like a tenth as much sodium (not the most common brands) and use that insteadMar 28 23:28
DaemonFCMcCormick Horse Seasoning.Mar 28 23:28
DaemonFCSeasons even the trickiest Mare.Mar 28 23:28
DaemonFCJust like grandmother used to make.Mar 28 23:28
mateyi get mine from canadaMar 28 23:28
mateyi hear you can get it in maine, but i prefer customs to the car-eating potholesMar 28 23:29
mateythe natives call the secret world beyond the potholes "carnia"Mar 28 23:30
mateywhere ironically the roads are in perfect conditionMar 28 23:30
DaemonFCCharlie Brown had the kite-eating tree.Mar 28 23:30
MinceRlolMar 28 23:31
DaemonFCI have the car-eating pothole.Mar 28 23:31
DaemonFCIt's down by the police station.Mar 28 23:31
DaemonFCI keep hoping that it opens up and swallows some of them before they get around to fixing it.Mar 28 23:31
mateyjust paint a giant photo-realistic donut around itMar 28 23:31
MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/817824.jpgMar 28 23:32
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matey/me sends it to simon phippsMar 28 23:34
mateyhe was very fond of implying that free software was just a pedantic quibbleMar 28 23:34
mateyin reality theres a very small difference between controlling your computing and spending years escaping the ibm/microsoft monopoly just to have them buy everything and shove it up your arse via a high speed modemMar 28 23:35
psydruidthe sun never sets on Simon PhippsMar 28 23:35
mateyand its a very small coincidence that he worked for ibmMar 28 23:36
mateyfamous backstabbing douchebags i talked on join diaspora who havent changed in more than a decade: matt lee, simon phippsMar 28 23:37
mateylovely fellowMar 28 23:38
mateyi dont know how roy does it. the only way i can tell phipps apart from bilefield is phipps has cooler hairMar 28 23:39
mateyit makes him look like a cross between andy warhol and billy bob thornton in sling blade, but thats better than bilefield.Mar 28 23:40
mateyi talked to esr once. it was more or less the sameMar 28 23:43
mateyfor a bunch of people that spend decades saying theyre like free software but not a cultMar 28 23:44
mateyi have a bit of trouble telling one from anotherMar 28 23:44
mateyim 100Mar 28 23:44
matey% certin that phipps is more personable than mollyMar 28 23:44
mateybut only because mindreading is either extremely rare or doesnt exist at allMar 28 23:46
mateyand phipps opened all the seals on osiMar 28 23:48
mateyi have no idea why roy blames the things that came through after the seals were brokenMar 28 23:48
mateythey were already pounding on the gates to this dimension, what did he think was going to happenMar 28 23:48
DaemonFC"No working PS2 or PS3 emulator exists that will run on either macOS 12 x86 or Raspberry Pi. (If you intend to dispute this, you'd better have actually seen it running first.)" -JWZMar 28 23:49
DaemonFCYep, another reason to buy a Mac.Mar 28 23:49
DaemonFCThe Raspberry Pi is probably too weak.Mar 28 23:49
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mateythe easiest way to emulate a ps3 is to have it ping sonys servers and refuse to do anything you want it toMar 28 23:51
mateyim pretty sure you could do it with a bash scriptMar 28 23:51
mateythen again, macos 12 doesnt include bash.Mar 28 23:51
mateyi have a raspberry pi emulator. i cut the mainboard out of an old netbook and stuck it in some legosMar 28 23:55

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