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CrystalMathkn\: no i'm notMay 30 00:00
XRevan86CrystalMath: Let's outlaw the biggest opposition organisation, that should work out fine.May 30 00:00
MinceRwe're turning the planet into venus2, we're getting rid of science and technology so that any random asteroid can kill us all and so we can't do anything about the Sun going red giantMay 30 00:00
psydroidwhat will happen when Putin dies?May 30 00:00
kn\CrystalMath: Then why are you trying to act like it and not respect the decisions being made?May 30 00:00
MinceRhe probably has a successor alreadyMay 30 00:00
CrystalMathkn\: which decisions?May 30 00:00
XRevan86let's make life extremely hard for the non-profit foundations that fight for human rights in RussiaMay 30 00:00
CrystalMathon techrights? i can't influence techrightsMay 30 00:00
kn\on movingMay 30 00:00
XRevan86they have it coming, how dare theyMay 30 00:00
CrystalMathi'm just thoroughly disappointedMay 30 00:00
CrystalMathkn\: moving to where? russia? maybe i will some dayMay 30 00:01
XRevan86Advocating for human rights in Russia is practically an extremist activity.May 30 00:01
XRevan86psydroid: No one knows.May 30 00:01
MinceRhttps://pics.me.me/im-not-mad-im-just-disappointed-when-your-fb-friend-22944430.pngMay 30 00:01
psydroidI just realised I went to Serbia, Hungary and Ukraine in 2017May 30 00:01
kn\The Earth is already on its way to extinction. You're getting what you want anyway CrystalMath May 30 00:01
MinceRthe Earth will be fineMay 30 00:02
MinceRmaybe even some unicellular life on it will survive tooMay 30 00:02
CrystalMathkn\: what i want is for nature to take its course naturally with us interfering the least as possibleMay 30 00:02
MinceRwell, for a few billion years, anywayMay 30 00:02
kn\humans won't beMay 30 00:02
XRevan86I hope that after CrystalMath moves to Russia his Internet will experience cheburnet.May 30 00:02
MinceRafter about 5 billion years, it depends on intelligent life to surviveMay 30 00:02
kn\The nenw climate models are kind of frightening but believableMay 30 00:02
kn\new*May 30 00:02
CrystalMathXRevan86: what's cheburnet?May 30 00:03
kn\The run away effect as already started. May 30 00:03
kn\Big pools of methane are already being released from the permafrostMay 30 00:03
CrystalMathXRevan86: i must say i don't know the language too well, but i understood the stuff you wrote here :)May 30 00:03
kn\CrystalMath: have you ever been anywhere outside of SerbiaMay 30 00:04
CrystalMathnoMay 30 00:04
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kn\You should travel.May 30 00:04
CrystalMathbut i've been in areas where it's 99% hungariansMay 30 00:04
CrystalMathif that means anythingMay 30 00:04
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kn\There's more to the world than Serbia.May 30 00:04
CrystalMath(and my verdict is that it's the same)May 30 00:04
XRevan86CrystalMath: Чебурнет – это народное название инициативы по отключению России от внешней сети.May 30 00:04
kn\No I really don't think you understand America.May 30 00:05
schestowitz__odd... /oper caused my connection to restart sort ofMay 30 00:05
kn\XRevan86: do you mind translating what you saidMay 30 00:05
AriadneohMay 30 00:05
Ariadneit kicked you, 'password incorrect'May 30 00:05
CrystalMathcheburnet - it's the national name of the initiative for ??? Russia of ???May 30 00:06
CrystalMathtrying to translate myself ^May 30 00:06
XRevan86Cheburnet is a colloquial name for the initiative to disconnect Russia from the outside network.May 30 00:06
CrystalMathohMay 30 00:06
CrystalMathотключению, i should have gotten thatMay 30 00:06
Ariadneworked that timeMay 30 00:06
schestowitz__ok, did ok nowMay 30 00:06
CrystalMathbut it means "unlock"May 30 00:06
CrystalMathin serbiaMay 30 00:06
schestowitz__does it have 'guard on' supported?May 30 00:06
MinceRnamed after chebureki?May 30 00:06
schestowitz__ /CS HELP says notMay 30 00:06
XRevan86CrystalMath: It stems from electricity terminology here.May 30 00:06
psydroidafsluitingMay 30 00:07
kn\XRevan86: Where are you from?May 30 00:07
CrystalMathah so i guess networks "lock into" each otherMay 30 00:07
CrystalMathkn\: XRevan86 is from russiaMay 30 00:07
XRevan86CrystalMath: ключ is also an electrical switchMay 30 00:07
kn\okMay 30 00:07
CrystalMathahMay 30 00:07
CrystalMathhere it just means keyMay 30 00:07
kn\XRevan86: I wasn't wrong about anything I said right?May 30 00:07
kn\or do you feel another wayMay 30 00:08
XRevan86kn\: I didn't complain, have I?May 30 00:08
CrystalMathXRevan86: i don't really think russia will disconnectMay 30 00:08
psydroidand lock?May 30 00:08
kn\nopeMay 30 00:08
CrystalMathi mean even china is connectedMay 30 00:08
CrystalMathand north korea to some extentMay 30 00:08
XRevan86psydroid: that'd be замо́кMay 30 00:08
MinceRah, it's from CheburashkaMay 30 00:08
psydroidXRevan86, thanks, I should have known thatMay 30 00:09
Ariadnenot neededMay 30 00:09
XRevan86MinceR: yepMay 30 00:09
schestowitz__yeah, I was not sureMay 30 00:09
schestowitz__just followed my plain text manuals from the olden days..May 30 00:10
schestowitz__I will need to do some coding for managing irc logs etc.May 30 00:10
psydroidin Dutch it's easy: "slot" (lock) and "sleutel" (key)May 30 00:10
XRevan86https://rferl.org/a/russia-internet-censorship-sovereign-network/25375226.html 2014May 30 00:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rferl.org | Russia's 'Cheburashka' Internet? Probably Not, But Here Are Some Other OptionsMay 30 00:10
Ariadnein this ircd, the services are built into the ircdMay 30 00:10
schestowitz__that might take some time, but no rushMay 30 00:10
schestowitz__the freenode channel was getting off-topic very oftenMay 30 00:11
schestowitz__I will try to release some articles around 1am, barely slept...May 30 00:11
XRevan86"sovereign Internet" is the name that they are actually going forMay 30 00:11
XRevan86but the people remembered the original brilliant idea to call it Cheburashka, and hence CheburnetMay 30 00:12
Ariadneyes i hope that with techrights being here that there will be less people just dropping in to trollMay 30 00:12
BaronVladimirHarBack to Atlantis for a while. You know, the Wraith were remarkably bad tacticians and you'd think they would have went looking for Atlantis to see if they could at least get any tech or the control crystal that allowed the gate to connect to Earth.May 30 00:12
Ariadne:PMay 30 00:12
schestowitz__trolling is proportional to impactMay 30 00:13
schestowitz__eitherMay 30 00:13
schestowitz__1) the subject of criticism trying to derailMay 30 00:13
BaronVladimirHarThe Ancients apparently wrote the program on the other gates so they couldn't dial into the Milky Way network as a security system.May 30 00:13
kn\????///May 30 00:13
schestowitz__2) other causes infiltrating to interject themselves onto somethingMay 30 00:13
schestowitz__but 1 never equals 2May 30 00:13
XRevan86Кто о чём, а DaemonFC о Звёздных вратах.May 30 00:14
schestowitz__EPO is in chaos nowMay 30 00:14
kn\yo umMay 30 00:14
kn\What?May 30 00:14
Ariadneyes, the (2) is what i wonder about :)May 30 00:14
schestowitz__they used to spy on our IRC channels and wrote reports about themMay 30 00:14
schestowitz__they leaked outMay 30 00:14
*XRevan86 doesn't know how to translate some idioms :)May 30 00:14
schestowitz__(this month we published some)May 30 00:14
XRevan86maybe CrystalMath will knowMay 30 00:14
kn\no what BaronVladimirHar saidMay 30 00:14
schestowitz__EPO panickedMay 30 00:14
MinceRhe's talking about Stargate AtlantisMay 30 00:15
CrystalMathhmm... "who's talking about what: DaemonFC about stargate"May 30 00:15
kn\ohMay 30 00:15
CrystalMaththat's my best translationMay 30 00:15
CrystalMathis it good?May 30 00:15
XRevan86CrystalMath: Misses the mark completely.May 30 00:15
CrystalMathoopsMay 30 00:15
schestowitz__Ariadne: thanks anyway, you've put all the key pieces in place, I could not be more grateful, this is something we planned even last year but lacked the skillset to doMay 30 00:16
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kn\I haven't watched Stargate in yearsMay 30 00:16
Ariadnecould have just asked :pMay 30 00:16
kn\I was mad when they ended itMay 30 00:16
CrystalMathpossibly a decade for me, but i only saw a little, and didn't like itMay 30 00:16
schestowitz__I won't advertise this network yet... need to make lots of changes to code like the irc log pipelinesMay 30 00:17
CrystalMathi liked the first star trek thoughMay 30 00:17
kaniinireplacement ircd is upMay 30 00:17
XRevan86~= Different people speak about different things and DaemonFC talks about Stargate.May 30 00:17
kaniiniirc.techrights.orgMay 30 00:17
CrystalMathreplacement?May 30 00:17
CrystalMathschestowitz said it would be a secondary oneMay 30 00:17
schestowitz__maybe do a "public" announcement some time next monthMay 30 00:17
XRevan86kaniini: That's fastMay 30 00:17
kaniiniXRevan86: ircds done fast is what i doMay 30 00:17
CrystalMathand it's ridiculous: no tor relay, etc...May 30 00:18
kaniiniCrystalMath: give me like, an hourMay 30 00:18
kaniiniand i will set up a tor relayMay 30 00:18
XRevan86kaniini: By the way, I heard about "bridging" between networks, does that actually work?May 30 00:18
CrystalMathi still believe that schestowitz is spineless if he leaves freenodeMay 30 00:18
kaniiniXRevan86: nopeMay 30 00:18
XRevan86kaniini: figuresMay 30 00:18
CrystalMathwhy not a bridge bot?May 30 00:18
schestowitzwe are not doing fightsMay 30 00:18
MinceRwhy would it not work?May 30 00:18
schestowitzwe don't endorse networksMay 30 00:19
schestowitzwe just want to self-host for years nowMay 30 00:19
kaniinioh using a botMay 30 00:19
kaniiniyesMay 30 00:19
kaniinithat is possibleMay 30 00:19
schestowitznot a new desire May 30 00:19
MinceRit would bring the offtopic that bothers schestowitz here to the other network though :>May 30 00:19
schestowitzbut now we have more free timeMay 30 00:19
kaniiniyes, this is trueMay 30 00:19
CrystalMathschestowitz: if you leave freenode, you're spineless and you have no integrity, and techrights has no integrityMay 30 00:19
schestowitzalso, setting an exampleMay 30 00:19
kaniinischestowitz brought up self-hostingMay 30 00:19
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XRevan86kaniini, MinceR: Like matterbridge?May 30 00:19
kaniinilast yearMay 30 00:19
schestowitzrasengan supported trying to grow IRCMay 30 00:19
schestowitzby dencentralising moreMay 30 00:19
BaronVladimirHar<kn\ "I was mad when they ended it"> At least they got a couple of movies to wrap up Ba'al and the Ori.May 30 00:19
XRevan86but that's such a compromise botMay 30 00:19
schestowitzmaybe federating moreMay 30 00:19
kn\yaMay 30 00:20
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schestowitzthis way we can eat the real compeitionMay 30 00:20
schestowitznot each otherMay 30 00:20
MinceRXRevan86: dunno, i never ran such a bridgeMay 30 00:20
schestowitzwe need to eat the IRC copycats like slackMay 30 00:20
MinceRthe only bridge i've ever run was rcon2ircMay 30 00:20
CrystalMathschestowitz: i am thoroughly disappointed in techrightsMay 30 00:20
BaronVladimirHarAtlantis could have easily gone on for several seasons with the Wraith arc.May 30 00:20
kaniiniCrystalMath: fwiw i think rasengan has good intentions, but this has been an unmitigated shitshowMay 30 00:20
XRevan86MinceR: It's just a user that reposts messages, a very simple design.May 30 00:20
MinceRi knowMay 30 00:20
CrystalMathkaniini: freenode is a great network, and it's a great place for techrightsMay 30 00:20
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MinceRi've used them, but not administered themMay 30 00:20
schestowitzCrystalMath: sorry, not my intention, but this ambition to self-host IRC is years-old and matter of public record, tooMay 30 00:20
CrystalMathi see absolutely no reason to leave other than your personal bickering, and schestowitz's spineless attitudeMay 30 00:21
XRevan86kaniini: I agree with this statement.May 30 00:21
schestowitzCrystalMath: it's still ehreMay 30 00:21
schestowitzCrystalMath: you don't know the historyMay 30 00:21
schestowitzMinceR knows...May 30 00:21
schestowitzall the deplatforming of the site techrightsMay 30 00:21
BaronVladimirHarFreenode appears to be very concerned about emptying out.May 30 00:21
schestowitzyou don't even know how much ariadne did for usMay 30 00:21
CrystalMatha few months ago, if you said you wanted to leave freenode, i would understand 100%May 30 00:21
kaniinimincer also used to be an ircop on my previous networkMay 30 00:21
rasenganI support this (not that my opinion matters)!May 30 00:21
CrystalMatha few months ago *I* wanted to leave freenodeMay 30 00:21
rasenganAnd thank you kaniini.May 30 00:21
XRevan86kaniini: Also, I am curious about your opinion on who displayed better judgement from all the involved parties.May 30 00:22
schestowitzthis isn't anti-freenodeMay 30 00:22
schestowitzall this infighting isn't neededMay 30 00:22
kaniinii'm very apathetic to freenodeMay 30 00:22
BaronVladimirHarIt's not a user driven emptying. It's corporations with codes of conduct and GAFAM ties that are leaving and then autokicking their users.May 30 00:22
CrystalMathschestowitz: then i suppose you won't mind staying here?May 30 00:22
schestowitzour real competition is crap like slackMay 30 00:22
kaniiniother than its decision to staff up eskimo and phanesMay 30 00:22
schestowitzIBM forces all its staff to use slackMay 30 00:22
kaniinii think that is a shit decisionMay 30 00:22
schestowitzthat's more staff than the IRC networks haveMay 30 00:22
kaniinibut its rasengan's decision to makeMay 30 00:22
CrystalMathkaniini: these are very helpful staff membersMay 30 00:22
CrystalMathand very kind, cordial, tooMay 30 00:23
BaronVladimirHarFree Software ending up on Liberal Chat is better at least than saying go to Discord or Slack.May 30 00:23
kaniiniyou and i must have different definitions of helpful and cordialMay 30 00:23
BaronVladimirHarLiberaMay 30 00:23
CrystalMathBaronVladimirHar: i disagree actuallyMay 30 00:23
schestowitzCrystalMath: let's replace proprietary softwareMay 30 00:23
CrystalMathBaronVladimirHar: i would rather leave IRC than connect thereMay 30 00:23
BaronVladimirHarAutocorrect, which might actually be right this time.May 30 00:23
CrystalMathi will also not be connecting to ariadneircMay 30 00:23
kaniiniCrystalMath: it's not ariadneircMay 30 00:23
schestowitzit's not hersMay 30 00:23
kaniinithat's irc.townMay 30 00:23
schestowitzdns is controlled by me and [anon]May 30 00:23
MinceR"You and I remember Budapest very differently."May 30 00:23
XRevan86kaniini: We've been putting CrystalMath into his place this whole day.May 30 00:23
schestowitztechrights.org is a domain of the siteMay 30 00:23
CrystalMathXRevan86: there was a debate, but it was mostly unrelated to the IRC thingMay 30 00:24
schestowitzlike site hosting changed overtimeMay 30 00:24
kn\I mean check out the ophion alpha if it you wish lolMay 30 00:24
BaronVladimirHarPeople have grudges and disagreements all the time. Imposing codes of conduct just encourage things to get more toxic in some other way.May 30 00:24
schestowitzthis isn't "blogspot"May 30 00:24
kaniinithough the irony isMay 30 00:24
schestowitzwhere one company (Google) can take away your siteMay 30 00:24
CrystalMathwhat i'm saying is taht techrights is bending its decisions because of its hosting providerMay 30 00:24
BaronVladimirHarMailing lists and IRC have worked for decades.May 30 00:24
CrystalMath*thatMay 30 00:24
kaniinii'm actually building a software that does what rasengan is promisingMay 30 00:24
kaniiniit will be available under the GNU Affero GPL shortlyMay 30 00:24
XRevan86CrystalMath: Indirectly it was, as ye have displayed making quick judgements and then defend them passionately.May 30 00:24
schestowitzwe need to focus on the competitionMay 30 00:24
rasengankaniini: You know my promise is not fluff though.May 30 00:24
kaniini(and off shithub, shortly, but i need to actually set up gitlab)May 30 00:24
schestowitzI've longer encouraged BSD and GNUs to work togetherMay 30 00:25
schestowitzthere are millions of users out there we can bring to IRCMay 30 00:25
schestowitzlike wordpress and apache/nginx wonMay 30 00:25
kaniinirasengan: it is because services remains centralized, and i don't see you sharing that databaseMay 30 00:25
kaniini:)May 30 00:25
schestowitzin comms the prorietary risk grows (Slack, Discord, Zoom)May 30 00:25
MinceRi suspect GNU will be forced to work with BSD-s eventuallyMay 30 00:25
CrystalMathi don't like how people are ignoring the fact that techrights is bending its decisions because of its hosting providerMay 30 00:25
MinceRit has no place in Gnome OS, after allMay 30 00:26
CrystalMatha thing that would not happen if it was using a commercial one like OVHMay 30 00:26
schestowitzMinceR: it already does... to a degreeMay 30 00:26
kaniiniby the way i totally am using the GNU AGPL as a power moveMay 30 00:26
MinceR:>May 30 00:26
kaniiniit will ensure rasengan cannot monetize my workMay 30 00:26
schestowitzthe gnu-and-fsf-endorsed distros come with opensshMay 30 00:26
kaniinii especially love this feature of the GNU AGPLMay 30 00:26
schestowitzall our code is agplv3May 30 00:26
rasengankaniini: ... you could make that statement without implying something against me right? ;)May 30 00:27
CrystalMatheww, now i feel like i should relicense to apache 2.0May 30 00:27
schestowitzbut we need to figure out if we should release it with some git front end  GUIMay 30 00:27
schestowitzwe looked into gitea/gogsMay 30 00:27
kn\wellMay 30 00:27
XRevan86CrystalMath: schestowitz cares about what a very respective and involved in the IRC world thinks? And the person that helped him for years? This is disgusting.May 30 00:27
schestowitzbut they are github-hostedMay 30 00:27
kaniinii was using gitea but then it brokeMay 30 00:27
kaniiniso i went back to using githubMay 30 00:27
schestowitzsaid in 2017 they'd leave... not happened yetMay 30 00:27
CrystalMathXRevan86: the problem is that journalists should not be swayed by their hosting providerMay 30 00:27
CrystalMathhow hard is that to accept?May 30 00:28
kaniiniCrystalMath: i wasn't swaying himMay 30 00:28
kn\kaniini: there's always sourceforge :^ (trolllololol)May 30 00:28
kaniiniCrystalMath: i was saying i did not wish to be involved anymoreMay 30 00:28
schestowitzkaniini: this isn't so mission-critical in our caseMay 30 00:28
schestowitzthe git repo we useMay 30 00:28
CrystalMathkaniini: oh it's not your faultMay 30 00:28
rasenganschestowitz: try cgitMay 30 00:28
schestowitz2 users for nowMay 30 00:28
CrystalMathkaniini: i didn't say it isMay 30 00:28
schestowitzrasengan: will look into itMay 30 00:28
CrystalMathkaniini: it's schestowitz's faultMay 30 00:28
rasenganschestowitz: https://git.zx2c4.com/cgit/May 30 00:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.zx2c4.com | cgit - A hyperfast web frontend for git repositories written in C.May 30 00:28
schestowitzCrystalMath: we can all cool downMay 30 00:28
kn\i meanMay 30 00:29
schestowitzlet's focus on the grand scheme of things... millions of users we can bring to IRCMay 30 00:29
schestowitzmaybe via matrix, tooMay 30 00:29
kaniiniCrystalMath: and it's not any particular event that lead me to not want to be involved, but just i am very tired in general :)May 30 00:29
XRevan86Also I haven't heard from FSF, what decision are they leaning towards?May 30 00:29
schestowitzthe CMS and webserver space is now free software-dominatedMay 30 00:29
CrystalMathkaniini: then why don't you just quit?May 30 00:29
MinceR¯\_(ツ)_/¯May 30 00:29
schestowitzunlike commsMay 30 00:29
kn\self hostingMay 30 00:29
MinceRthey're having an internal discussion, afaikMay 30 00:29
kaniiniXRevan86: i have head from FSF but i don't want to break rasengan's heartMay 30 00:29
kaniini:)May 30 00:29
rasenganXRevan86: FSF Exec Director just resignedMay 30 00:29
MinceRthey gathered a lot of comments/suggestions in the meeting in #fsfMay 30 00:29
XRevan86rasengan: What…May 30 00:30
schestowitzjohns?May 30 00:30
CrystalMathXRevan86: they do want to leave freenodeMay 30 00:30
XRevan86rasengan: Not over IRC I hopeMay 30 00:30
rasenganhttps://twitter.com/johns_FSF/status/1376346027524042759May 30 00:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@johns_FSF: After 18 years with the Free Software Foundation, I've decided to resign my position as executive director, effecti… https://t.co/4LtYcxyyFmMay 30 00:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@johns_FSF: After 18 years with the Free Software Foundation, I've decided to resign my position as executive director, effecti… https://t.co/4LtYcxyyFmMay 30 00:30
CrystalMaththat was a while agoMay 30 00:30
schestowitzjohns... that's oldMay 30 00:30
MinceRyeah, they're looking for applications for executive directorMay 30 00:30
kaniiniXRevan86: are you on libera or OFTC"May 30 00:30
schestowitzit said so in tee site for over a monthMay 30 00:30
kaniinioofMay 30 00:30
schestowitzalso rubenMay 30 00:30
kaniiniOFTC?May 30 00:30
kaniiniratherMay 30 00:30
XRevan86kaniini, CrystalMath: If only I bet real money…May 30 00:30
XRevan86kaniini: I am registered on both, but on OFTC I have no channels connected.May 30 00:31
schestowitzCrystalMath: swallow the pride and help us bring people back togetherMay 30 00:31
CrystalMathschestowitz: i will not connect to irc.techrights.org, nor will i be involved in the futureMay 30 00:31
schestowitzwe're wasting 2 weeks already on IRC warsMay 30 00:31
schestowitzI tried, and failed, to limit this fracturingMay 30 00:31
kaniiniXRevan86: i PMed you on liberaMay 30 00:31
kaniinischestowitz: fracturing is goodMay 30 00:31
schestowitzCrystalMath: sad to hear...May 30 00:32
CrystalMathschestowitz: if you leave freenode, then farewell; i am just very sad for techrights to have bent this wayMay 30 00:32
schestowitzkaniini: depending on the reasonMay 30 00:32
CrystalMathschestowitz: i am thoroughly disappointedMay 30 00:32
schestowitzlike, forking GIMP because of the name is needlessMay 30 00:32
schestowitzso glimpse perishedMay 30 00:32
schestowitzas we predictedMay 30 00:32
schestowitzlibreoffice= goodMay 30 00:32
AriadnenoMay 30 00:32
schestowitzbecause oracle sucksMay 30 00:32
schestowitzCrystalMath: who said we're leaving? you are missing the pointMay 30 00:33
schestowitzIRC is collectively a 'thing'May 30 00:33
kaniinischestowitz: FOSS had too many eggs in one basket for years.May 30 00:33
schestowitzkaniini wrote much IRC softwareMay 30 00:33
CrystalMathschestowitz: if you stay on freenode then i can still talk to youMay 30 00:33
schestowitzso if you use IRC clients, you're indebted to her tooMay 30 00:33
*Server is now known as kn\May 30 00:33
schestowitzIRC and Matrix, Jabber etc. are the things we want to pushMay 30 00:33
CrystalMathfree software has no owners :)May 30 00:33
schestowitzno matter whose networkMay 30 00:33
kaniiniCrystalMath: agreeMay 30 00:33
schestowitzbetter than slack and stuffMay 30 00:33
schestowitzthe surveillance capitalistsMay 30 00:34
kaniinii use GNU AGPL to ensure my code has no ownersMay 30 00:34
kaniinii do not wish to be owned by rasenganMay 30 00:34
schestowitztechrights is all liberally licensedMay 30 00:34
schestowitzused to be gpl-ish, now a mix of that and CCMay 30 00:34
CrystalMathbut i mean... even if you stay on freenode, the fact that you want to cease posting news in favor of freenode is shocking enoughMay 30 00:34
kn\kaniini: see my chatMay 30 00:34
CrystalMathit's enough of a spineless bendMay 30 00:35
CrystalMathfor me to quit techrights even if it does stay on freenodeMay 30 00:35
schestowitzthat's just how we beat the paywall loversMay 30 00:35
MinceRnews should not be in favor of anybody or anything except the truthMay 30 00:35
CrystalMathMinceR: the truth favors someone thoughMay 30 00:35
kaniinianyway, freenode and libera should be considered proprietary softwareMay 30 00:35
schestowitz CrystalMath: than you don't support usMay 30 00:35
kaniiniself hosting is the wayMay 30 00:35
schestowitzif that's the conditionMay 30 00:35
kaniiniit always wasMay 30 00:35
schestowitzbecause techrights is made possible by many peopleMay 30 00:35
MinceRi thought they ran free ircd-sMay 30 00:35
schestowitzI'm just the articles 'cog'May 30 00:35
schestowitzMinceR spent like 12 years on IRCMay 30 00:36
CrystalMathschestowitz: you have a belief, you did not receive information that changes that belief, only a threat - you SUCCUMBED to that threat, instead of doing everything in your power to fight against itMay 30 00:36
kaniiniby the way psydroid i actually have views on software freedom which are in some ways more extreme than RMS'sMay 30 00:36
CrystalMathschestowitz: that is the disappointing thingMay 30 00:36
MinceRschestowitz: pretty sure it's more than that :>May 30 00:36
schestowitznever impacted by editorial freedomMay 30 00:36
schestowitzwe never took down an article, except one where I confused two entities with the exact same nameMay 30 00:37
MinceRsadly, even recognizing that systemd is intended to infringe on the freedoms of users is "more extreme than RMS"May 30 00:37
schestowitzwhich made the article wrong. and showed two exact same name and suffixes can exist... one a patent troll and one totally notMay 30 00:37
kn\I miss the days without systemdMay 30 00:37
kaniinikn\: you can have them today, just install alpine :pMay 30 00:38
schestowitzit's still possibleMay 30 00:38
CrystalMathschestowitz: hopefully you understand what i mean?May 30 00:38
MinceRsameMay 30 00:38
kn\noMay 30 00:38
schestowitztechrights has lots of alpine in place nowMay 30 00:38
schestowitzexcept two centos instancesMay 30 00:38
kn\it wont run on this laptopMay 30 00:38
CrystalMaththe proper way is "never give up, never surrender"May 30 00:38
CrystalMathyou gave up, you surrenderedMay 30 00:38
kaniinisurrendered howMay 30 00:38
kn\and i need my nvidia.May 30 00:38
schestowitzCrystalMath: you will get transparency on thatMay 30 00:38
CrystalMathwill lee-side.pdf even stay up?May 30 00:38
MinceRBy Grabthar's Hammer, by the Sons of Warvan, you shall be avenged!May 30 00:38
CrystalMathi link to it in my quit mesageMay 30 00:38
kaniiniCrystalMath: i agree with most of lee-side.pdf actuallMay 30 00:38
kaniiniyMay 30 00:38
schestowitzCrystalMath: no, you don't know what was said or what happenedMay 30 00:38
schestowitzwe need irc to get mass appealMay 30 00:39
kaniinii never asked schestowitz to do anythingMay 30 00:39
schestowitzi think that's what rasengan wants to May 30 00:39
schestowitzwe all grew up on ircMay 30 00:39
kaniinischestowitz just said he wanted to self-host his own ircMay 30 00:39
kaniiniand i saidMay 30 00:39
kaniini"no problem"May 30 00:39
kaniiniliterallyMay 30 00:39
kaniinido you want the conversationMay 30 00:39
kaniinii'll publish itMay 30 00:39
kaniinilmfaoMay 30 00:39
CrystalMathno...May 30 00:39
CrystalMathi believe youMay 30 00:39
CrystalMathbut i know why he said itMay 30 00:39
psydroidkaniini, I would appreciate it if you could write about those on your blog, when you find the time. I am not much of a traditionalist but I do highly value software freedom.May 30 00:39
schestowitzthis is what we wanted last yearMay 30 00:39
CrystalMathbecause you threatened to quit the hosting for techrightsMay 30 00:39
schestowitzwhen kaniini was busy with alpine stuffMay 30 00:40
CrystalMathit's not the problem that you threatened to quit the hosting for techrightsMay 30 00:40
kaniiniCrystalMath: not for any particular reason other than it is stressing me outMay 30 00:40
CrystalMaththe problem is that schestowitz didn't say "screw you then"May 30 00:40
schestowitzhahaMay 30 00:40
kaniinii wanted him tooMay 30 00:40
schestowitzthat's bad diplomacyMay 30 00:40
kaniinii dont actually want to host this anymoreMay 30 00:40
kaniinii meanMay 30 00:40
kaniinii willMay 30 00:40
schestowitzwe'd be a dead site if we were that impulsive and tactlessMay 30 00:40
schestowitzlike confiscating 700 channels "just BECAUSE"May 30 00:40
kaniinibut then techrightsMay 30 00:40
kaniiniposts something likeMay 30 00:40
kaniini30 Reasons To Say Fuck [somebody sponsoring alpine]May 30 00:41
kaniiniand i go "haha what if these people figure out i host techrights"May 30 00:41
CrystalMathwhat i would like to see is techrights sponsored by a commercial webhosting providerMay 30 00:41
kaniinithough i have literally put techrights on it's own ASN and /24May 30 00:41
CrystalMathguess i'll just have to read breitbart insteadMay 30 00:41
kaniiniwith nothing else on itMay 30 00:41
kaniini:PMay 30 00:41
schestowitzwe did that with tessierMay 30 00:41
schestowitztried to advertise his businessMay 30 00:42
schestowitzhosting business, all hisMay 30 00:42
CrystalMath<CrystalMath> guess i'll just have to read breitbart instead <- this is a jokeMay 30 00:42
rasengancancel pressure is scary for sure kaniini - i get what you feel.  thank you for hosting techrights, it's really brave and appreciated.May 30 00:42
CrystalMathbut i am thoroughly disappointed at your inability to say no and stick to journalistic integrityMay 30 00:42
kaniinirasengan: would you like to host techrights???May 30 00:42
schestowitztry exposing powerful institutionsMay 30 00:42
kaniiniit would make my life easier ^_^May 30 00:42
schestowitzsee how far you getMay 30 00:42
CrystalMathkaniini: i would like to host techrights (on a commercial webhosting provider)May 30 00:42
schestowitzpressure is exerted at many levelsMay 30 00:42
schestowitzprivate hosting companies are even worseMay 30 00:43
CrystalMathkaniini: that i would pay for, but not directly controlMay 30 00:43
kaniiniCrystalMath: you don't see a lot of what happens behind the scenesMay 30 00:43
XRevan86rasengan: By the way, is there any reason left to keep the website on GitHub?May 30 00:43
rasengankaniini: I'd like to contribute to a fund for techrights to find and have sovereignty over its hosting.May 30 00:43
rasenganXrevan86: Not at all.May 30 00:43
MinceRsounds like funding is not the only issue thoughMay 30 00:43
schestowitzthat would make us dependent on you, rasenganMay 30 00:43
schestowitzwhich just makes it a case of "Swapping Masters" as they call it...May 30 00:44
kaniinifwiwMay 30 00:44
rasenganschestowitz: Ideally a fund which has many donors ;oMay 30 00:44
CrystalMathkaniini: i'm pretty sure there's nothing a good commercial hosting provider can't doMay 30 00:44
schestowitz'yay! we quit Microsoft ! Welcome GMAIL !!!"May 30 00:44
kaniiniCrystalMath: i'm willing to take a lawsuit over stuff schestowitz postsMay 30 00:44
kaniinithat's the thingMay 30 00:44
schestowitzwe never got suedMay 30 00:44
kaniinithankfully not yetMay 30 00:44
kaniinibut never knowMay 30 00:45
schestowitznot even close, just empty threats with no legal basuisMay 30 00:45
CrystalMathso yeah, that's kinda a made up threatMay 30 00:45
kaniinianywayMay 30 00:45
kn\CrystalMath: you could always open that wallet and pay for the hostingMay 30 00:45
CrystalMathkn\: i guess i could make a mirror, if it's all CCMay 30 00:45
kaniinitrust me, if the techrights community does not wish to be on my network, i have no active desire for it to remain on my network eitherMay 30 00:46
kn\not mirror but host the main siteMay 30 00:46
schestowitzhosting is expensive except for introductory packages that are like lock-in/latchMay 30 00:46
kn\bddyMay 30 00:46
kaniinii would like the community to do whatever it wants to doMay 30 00:46
CrystalMathkn\: schestowitz does not want thatMay 30 00:46
schestowitzCrystalMath: we all have some different opinions on some thingsMay 30 00:46
CrystalMathkn\: so clearly i'd have to go against his wishes and mirror based on rights given to me by the CC licenseMay 30 00:46
schestowitzthat's just how it isMay 30 00:46
CrystalMathyes i know but the lack of journalistic integrity is more worryingMay 30 00:47
kaniiniwhat lack of integrityMay 30 00:47
kaniiniall i said is i didn't want to be sysadmin anymoreMay 30 00:47
kaniinihe could have told me to fuck offMay 30 00:47
CrystalMathkaniini: he's going to stop speaking in favor of freenode because he would rather have you as the sysadminMay 30 00:47
kaniiniand i would have been cool with itMay 30 00:47
CrystalMathyes that's precisely itMay 30 00:47
CrystalMathit's his journalistic integrity that is brokenMay 30 00:47
CrystalMathnot your faultMay 30 00:47
schestowitzwho has 100% independence in online publishing? Even a published paper can be spurned by the postpersonMay 30 00:47
kn\CrystalMath: kaniini is leaving freenodeMay 30 00:47
kaniiniCrystalMath: have you considered that perhaps he was speaking in favor of freenode because rasengan is a scary dudeMay 30 00:47
CrystalMathi would speak my mind even if there's a gun to my headMay 30 00:47
schestowitzsee the Daily Mail/Sun situationMay 30 00:48
CrystalMathkaniini: well that would not make it any better, but i don't believe itMay 30 00:48
CrystalMathkaniini: as for journalistic integrity that would still be badMay 30 00:48
kaniiniCrystalMath: i think somebody with fuck-you money is intimidatingMay 30 00:48
*kn\ thinks about posting a certain pdf hereMay 30 00:48
schestowitzCrystalMath: you can mirror the siteMay 30 00:48
schestowitzthe licence allows thatMay 30 00:48
schestowitzthen you own and control the copiesMay 30 00:49
schestowitzand it helps usMay 30 00:49
schestowitzwe don't do adsMay 30 00:49
kaniinii meanMay 30 00:49
kaniinii only am hosting thisMay 30 00:49
schestowitzwe service the whisleblowersMay 30 00:49
kaniinibecause schestowitz asked for a favorMay 30 00:49
kaniinihe was literally likeMay 30 00:49
schestowitzthey want their stories heard for outcomweMay 30 00:49
kaniiniyo tessier is shutting down his hostingMay 30 00:49
schestowitzlike what happened yesterday at EPOMay 30 00:49
kaniinii need some hostingMay 30 00:49
kaniiniand i was likeMay 30 00:49
kaniiniokMay 30 00:49
kaniiniheres some hostingMay 30 00:49
CrystalMathand then i would have a nice duplicate of material that has been controlled by all sorts of hosting providers, IRC network operators, who else?May 30 00:49
CrystalMathmight as well just mirror gatesrightsMay 30 00:50
schestowitzgo for itMay 30 00:50
schestowitzwe already have some mirrorsMay 30 00:50
CrystalMathyou had a good opportunity today to say no, and you won't take itMay 30 00:50
schestowitzand they 'steal' traffic, which I frankly don't mindMay 30 00:50
kaniinirasengan: why haven't you staffed up CrystalMath with all of this advocacy he is doing on your behalfMay 30 00:51
MinceRwe don't have mirrors of the website though, do we?May 30 00:51
kaniinii think he should have superbia, like eskimoMay 30 00:51
MinceRand most users can only use thatMay 30 00:51
CrystalMathkaniini: i never appliedMay 30 00:51
kaniinioh, you shouldMay 30 00:51
kaniinii hear you can k-line your enemiesMay 30 00:51
schestowitzbrb, need to speak to colleague at workMay 30 00:51
CrystalMathkaniini: i would not do thatMay 30 00:51
kaniinimaybe you'll k-line meMay 30 00:51
kaniinii would appreciate itMay 30 00:51
CrystalMathi would maybe want to help freenode, but i wouldn't abuse itMay 30 00:51
MinceRand so those who would try to silence us think that DDoSing the website is sufficientMay 30 00:51
kaniinioh yes, that's another thing i deal withMay 30 00:52
kaniinitechrights gets ddosed a lotMay 30 00:52
CrystalMathkaniini: honestly i wouldn't even set a channel ban on youMay 30 00:52
CrystalMathanywhereMay 30 00:52
CrystalMathi'm not like thatMay 30 00:52
kaniinithats a shame, the other staff areMay 30 00:52
MinceR(or otherwise making it inaccessible)May 30 00:52
kn\CrystalMath: Can you tell me why you hate her so much?May 30 00:52
*XRevan86 thanks CrystalMath for that generocity.May 30 00:52
CrystalMathkn\: i don't! i just really distrust her because of things i've seenMay 30 00:53
XRevan86generosityMay 30 00:53
kn\All these shennigans are because you hate kaniini May 30 00:53
CrystalMathlike promoting the MIT licenseMay 30 00:53
CrystalMathsigning the anti-RMS petitionMay 30 00:53
kaniiniCrystalMath: i promote whatever license fits my whimsMay 30 00:53
MinceRwhat's wrong with the MIT/expat license?May 30 00:53
kaniiniin the case of IRC software, it will be the GNU Affero GPLMay 30 00:53
kaniiniwhich is a very good licenseMay 30 00:53
kaniiniit is good because it prohibits rasengan from monetizing my workMay 30 00:53
CrystalMathMinceR: because it's for busyboxMay 30 00:53
MinceRso what?May 30 00:53
kaniinifreedom from costMay 30 00:53
kaniiniCrystalMath: i am totally fine with GPL for a busybox rewriteMay 30 00:54
MinceRi published my window resize/move script (mainly for fvwm) under the MIT/expat licenseMay 30 00:54
kaniiniCrystalMath: i just want a busybox rewriteMay 30 00:54
kn\CrystalMath: I think likes and opinions are like assholes. Most of everyone has oneMay 30 00:54
MinceRlolMay 30 00:54
CrystalMathkaniini: i asked you about that and you said "business is business"May 30 00:54
kaniinibusiness, is indeed, businessMay 30 00:55
kaniinibut GPL does not interfere with my goalsMay 30 00:55
MinceRthere's no business like show businessMay 30 00:55
rasenganI think CrystalMath is standing up for a just cause and standing his ground on what he believes in.  I believe kaniini is too.  Just because people have different opinions on things doesn't mean anyone is right or wrong.  This world is just that diverse and beautiful. :-)May 30 00:55
kn\CrystalMath: how do you feel about BSD licensesMay 30 00:55
kaniinithere are lots of components i've written for alpineMay 30 00:55
CrystalMathkn\: i use software made under these, but i think that when we have a project that is GPL, rewriting it as MIT is hostile to the idea of software freedomMay 30 00:55
kaniiniwhich are GPLMay 30 00:55
kaniiniCrystalMath: it's notMay 30 00:56
CrystalMathkaniini: i believe that it isMay 30 00:56
MinceRCrystalMath: consider that people might want to combine a given piece of software with a different piece of software, which might be under a different licenseMay 30 00:56
kaniinisoftware freedom is a form of digital autonomyMay 30 00:56
kaniiniit's the *autonomy* that mattersMay 30 00:56
CrystalMathkaniini: ask Richard Stallman, what do you think he would say?May 30 00:56
MinceRi don't see how this would infringe on software freedomMay 30 00:56
rasengankaniini is right and Crystal Math is right.  Look, there are differences, but you both are pushing for the same thing.May 30 00:56
kaniiniCrystalMath: i have asked him, and he would say "well, I would prefer a copyleft license, but it doesn't really matter"May 30 00:56
rasenganLet's not focus on microarguments and focus on macro change. ;oMay 30 00:57
kaniiniCrystalMath: because any OSS is better than not OSSMay 30 00:57
CrystalMathkaniini: but we talked about a case of "existing GPL -> MIT rewrite"May 30 00:57
kn\at least it's not one of oracle's oss licensesMay 30 00:57
CrystalMathi think this was maybe not clear?May 30 00:57
kaniiniCrystalMath: that's not for the licenseMay 30 00:57
kaniiniCrystalMath: that's for "busybox code quality is garbage"May 30 00:57
kn\CrystalMath: lets use an oracle open source license for busybox then :^May 30 00:57
MinceRah, so a particular case of promoting the "MIT license"May 30 00:57
MinceRthere was some lossy compression there :>May 30 00:58
CrystalMathMinceR: yes that's what i'm talking about, sorryMay 30 00:58
kn\but anywayMay 30 00:58
MinceRkn\: CDDL?May 30 00:58
CrystalMathi feel a little rushed, and sad, from what i witnessed techrights do todayMay 30 00:58
kn\lolMay 30 00:58
kaniiniCrystalMath: i never said that particular project must be any licenseMay 30 00:58
kaniiniall i said is that a non-GPL license might help with fundingMay 30 00:58
CrystalMathso you didn't consider the freedom aspectMay 30 00:59
kaniinii did consider the freedom aspectMay 30 00:59
kaniinithe users of alpine do not have any less freedom from an MIT package over a GPL packageMay 30 01:00
MinceRthe freedom aspect isn't black and whiteMay 30 01:00
kaniinithe entire distribution is freeMay 30 01:00
kaniiniin fact, alpine is more free than most distributionsMay 30 01:00
CrystalMathkaniini: but it risks loss of that freedomMay 30 01:00
*sepsinn has quit (Quit: leaving)May 30 01:00
kaniinidon't careMay 30 01:00
MinceRcopyleft licenses have freedom advantages, permissive licenses have different freedom advantagesMay 30 01:00
kaniiniwhat MinceR saidMay 30 01:00
kn\LGPL anyoneMay 30 01:00
kn\:DMay 30 01:00
kaniinisomebody strips the freedom, who caresMay 30 01:00
kn\:DMay 30 01:00
kaniiniyou can still get the originalMay 30 01:00
CrystalMathkaniini: i know you don't, but i'm sure that if we asked Richard Stallman, he wouldn't agree with rewriting a GPL project under non-GPLMay 30 01:00
MinceRLGPL is still copyleft, just weak copyleftMay 30 01:00
kn\umMay 30 01:00
kaniiniCrystalMath: my motivation isn't to "rewrite a GPL project under non-GPL"May 30 01:01
CrystalMathbut that is indeed a minor issue as rasengan saidMay 30 01:01
kn\why is my glowing bear echoing two timesMay 30 01:01
kaniiniCrystalMath: my motivation is to "rewrite a garbage project, so we have a non-garbage replacement"May 30 01:01
kaniiniCrystalMath: and btw, somebody could take an MIT project and then make a GPL fork of itMay 30 01:01
kaniiniso again, who caresMay 30 01:01
CrystalMathi mean, my shock of today is that techrights changes its story on the whim of the hosting provider, and that's not your faultMay 30 01:02
CrystalMathyou just happen to be the hosting provider todayMay 30 01:02
kn\I meanMay 30 01:02
kn\You can always pay for a vps for techrightsMay 30 01:02
kaniiniyes, please doMay 30 01:03
MinceRCrystalMath: which stoy was changed?May 30 01:03
schestowitzCrystalMath: you make it sound like it was hosted by kaniini for a monthMay 30 01:03
XRevan86kn\: CrystalMath wants to, schestowitz doesn't.May 30 01:03
schestowitzit started in 2018May 30 01:03
MinceRs/oy/ory/May 30 01:03
CrystalMathMinceR: the freenode oneMay 30 01:03
kaniiniyes, schestowitz and i created TechRights LimitedMay 30 01:03
CrystalMathMinceR: it's going to be changed as now schestowitz will no longer support itMay 30 01:03
kaniiniin UKMay 30 01:03
MinceRCrystalMath: how was it changed?May 30 01:03
MinceRkaniini: lolMay 30 01:03
kaniiniand then he sold it to meMay 30 01:03
schestowitzwe have been on freenode for over 13 yearsMay 30 01:03
kaniiniand now i own itMay 30 01:03
CrystalMathMinceR: new stories posted will now probabily villify the new freenodeMay 30 01:03
kaniinii got the idea from rasengan May 30 01:03
kaniinithanks broMay 30 01:03
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CrystalMathand it can be confirmed by the creation of irc.techrights.orgMay 30 01:04
MinceRCrystalMath: "probably" sounds like not something worth being upset aboutMay 30 01:04
schestowitzwe don't want to ruin and fracture IRC, we just want to make it healthier in how it's federated etc.May 30 01:04
schestowitzformer freenode stuff, I heard, had also misused power at timesMay 30 01:04
kaniinithey didMay 30 01:04
schestowitzlike banning for people for 'lols'May 30 01:04
kaniinichristel set 'freenude/alcoholic-bunny/kaniini' on me in 2016 without my consentMay 30 01:04
MinceRlolMay 30 01:04
CrystalMath... what?May 30 01:05
rasenganCrystalMath: I understand where you're coming from.  You're a noble person fighting for a just cause.  I think the confusion is in that while I get kaniini did come in here saying she would cut the hosting, that wasn't what she actually meant. She was just really passionate and saying things she didn't mean in my opinion. ;oMay 30 01:05
MinceRCrystalMath: vhostMay 30 01:05
kaniinirasengan: no i want to cut the hostingMay 30 01:05
kaniinireally, i doMay 30 01:05
kaniinii only want to host my own shitMay 30 01:05
kaniininot other peoples shitMay 30 01:05
kaniini:DMay 30 01:05
CrystalMathrasengan: thank you for the kind wordsMay 30 01:05
rasenganMakes sense kaniiniMay 30 01:05
rasenganThank you for hosting techrights.May 30 01:05
CrystalMathMinceR: i understand that but i did not expect thatMay 30 01:06
rasenganCrystalMath: You're welcome!May 30 01:06
kn\rasengan: you can take care of the hosting. It would make this situation go awayMay 30 01:06
schestowitzwe accomplished a lot in FridayMay 30 01:06
schestowitzone big step towards killing software patentsMay 30 01:06
kaniinii meanMay 30 01:06
schestowitz150 judges might regain their freedomMay 30 01:06
kaniinias kn\ can attestMay 30 01:06
kaniinimy network is basicallyMay 30 01:06
kaniinithe projects of 2 dudesMay 30 01:06
kaniiniplus techrightsMay 30 01:06
kaniini(i use dude in a gender-neutral term there)May 30 01:06
schestowitzbbaibMay 30 01:07
kn\We're trying to work on ophionMay 30 01:07
schestowitzhanding over to a colleague at workMay 30 01:07
kn\Our attention isn't these irc netsMay 30 01:07
kaniiniand CrystalMath ophion is under GNU Affero GPLMay 30 01:07
kaniinithe freest license there isMay 30 01:07
CrystalMathi said nothing bad about that :)May 30 01:07
kaniiniit guarantees freedom from rasengan monetizationMay 30 01:07
kn\CrystalMath I will hold kaniini to it. I wanted license change on ophionMay 30 01:08
kn\soMay 30 01:08
CrystalMathi don't understand why you're worried about thatMay 30 01:08
kaniinii think 'cloud computing' and 'SaaS' is a huge threat to digital autonomyMay 30 01:08
kn\We have aspirations into turning irc into something more decentralizedMay 30 01:09
kn\avoiding all these non sense fiascosMay 30 01:09
kn\and protecting people's dataMay 30 01:09
kaniiniyes ironically it is the architecture rasengan wantsMay 30 01:09
kaniiniand can haveMay 30 01:09
kaniiniif he abides by the GNU Affero GPLMay 30 01:09
MinceRniceMay 30 01:09
kaniiniif not, i have the phone number of Miller BarondessMay 30 01:09
MinceRit kind of reminds me of psycMay 30 01:09
kaniinii hear he is familiar with itMay 30 01:10
MinceRlolMay 30 01:10
kn\IRC is showing its age MinceR May 30 01:10
kn\it's time for changeMay 30 01:10
kn\But not like thisMay 30 01:10
CrystalMathbtw i'm not against self-hosting, i am in fact supporting libreboot's IRC self-hosting endeavorMay 30 01:10
kaniinithen support schestowitzMay 30 01:10
kaniinibecause he wanted thisMay 30 01:10
kaniinisince 2018May 30 01:10
kaniinihe also wantedMay 30 01:11
kaniinime to get him off centosMay 30 01:11
kaniinisince 2018May 30 01:11
rasenganI think he does support him greatly.  There was just some confusion earlier.May 30 01:11
rasengan(Not trying to speak for him)May 30 01:11
schestowitzam doing handoverMay 30 01:11
schestowitzsaw highlightMay 30 01:11
*schestowitz still needs to do a full-time job for a livingMay 30 01:11
kaniinithere is still .. systemd .. in the infrastructureMay 30 01:11
kn\My stomach is growling at 4am in the morningMay 30 01:11
CrystalMathi want to support schestowitz, but i'm worried about the risk to techright's journalistic integrity because it seems to sometimes bend to the wishes of the hosting providerMay 30 01:12
kn\I don't like staying up. So can you relay the problem you have now and how we can satisfy youMay 30 01:12
kaniiniCrystalMath: but he does not have toMay 30 01:12
schestowitzCrystalMath: kaniini NEVER asked me to change something I wrote. NEVER>May 30 01:12
kaniiniyes, neverMay 30 01:12
CrystalMathschestowitz: not directly, but indirectly you now have to do so, because her hosting depends on itMay 30 01:13
kaniinithe only thing i asked him to do was stop publishing pocock's shitMay 30 01:13
schestowitzSLAPPers triedMay 30 01:13
CrystalMathkaniini: and is that fair?May 30 01:13
kaniiniand i explained whyMay 30 01:13
kaniiniand he agreedMay 30 01:13
kaniiniCrystalMath: i mean, he could have said noMay 30 01:13
kaniiniit's not like i saidMay 30 01:13
kaniinii'm going to turn your shit offMay 30 01:13
CrystalMathhe should have said no, that would maintain journalistic integrityMay 30 01:13
kaniiniif you post pocock stuffMay 30 01:13
schestowitzI posted the on-topic and reasonable thingsMay 30 01:13
kaniiniCrystalMath: but the content he was posting lacked journalistic integrityMay 30 01:13
schestowitzeven years ago I refused to publish some of his postsMay 30 01:13
schestowitzesp. those comparing people to nazisMay 30 01:14
schestowitzand sexual stuffMay 30 01:14
schestowitzso I always cherry-picked May 30 01:14
schestowitzlike we curate Daily LinksMay 30 01:14
schestowitznot everything published somewhere fits inMay 30 01:14
kn\CrystalMath you have someone with much deeper pockets to be sponsorMay 30 01:15
schestowitzmany articles about freenode were also wrongMay 30 01:15
kn\kaniini wants to walk awayMay 30 01:15
kn\that will make everyone happyMay 30 01:15
CrystalMathkn\: it seems that $12/mo is enough, that's not very deepMay 30 01:15
kaniinii meanMay 30 01:15
schestowitzkn\: that someone would than become the "master"May 30 01:15
CrystalMaththat's possibly my limit though. i'm quite poorMay 30 01:15
kaniinii pretty much just let schestowitz do whatever he wantsMay 30 01:15
schestowitzpoverty is a man-made conditionMay 30 01:16
kn\cash donations doesnt mean someone has to be your masterMay 30 01:16
schestowitzwe all die eventuallyMay 30 01:16
kaniinihe basically has a gigantic VM on an openstack cloudMay 30 01:16
kn\he can make a small donation to you for you to get your own hostingMay 30 01:16
schestowitzburying outselves with coins isn't muchMay 30 01:16
kaniiniand an entire /24 to play withMay 30 01:16
BaronVladimirHarI gave Mandy a silver supplement.May 30 01:16
CrystalMathkn\: i would use a commercial hosting provider because i trust commercial providersMay 30 01:16
kn\okMay 30 01:16
BaronVladimirHarHe started getting better almost right away.May 30 01:16
CrystalMathkn\: but schestowitz refusedMay 30 01:16
schestowitzCrystalMath: not wiseMay 30 01:16
schestowitzto trust themMay 30 01:16
MinceRBaronVladimirHar: going for argyria? :>May 30 01:16
schestowitzthey also have shareholdersMay 30 01:16
schestowitzthey exercise control over those companiesMay 30 01:17
BaronVladimirHar<MinceR "Baron Vladimir Harkonnen: going "> That sounds like the Tok'ra's queen.May 30 01:17
kn\im sure he can provide the money for it and kaniini can walk away if you think it jeopardizes the integrityMay 30 01:17
kaniinischestowitz reached out because we go back to 2008May 30 01:17
MinceRBaronVladimirHar: no, that's EgeriaMay 30 01:17
kaniinii used to follow boycott novellMay 30 01:17
kn\no one will be a master if its a donationMay 30 01:17
techrights-ipfs ▕  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▅▆▅▅▆▃▅▆▅▆▆▇▅▆▆▃▄▅▆▂▃▅▇▆▆▅▇▇▆▇▆▆▆▆▇▁ avg(k/sec) 30.50 ▕  IPFS upstream: ▂▃▂▂▃▁▂▃▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▁▂▂▂▁▂▂▂▂▂▃▂▁▂▂▂▂▂▁ avg(k/sec) 7.76▕ swarm size (avg): 234.10  ⟲May 30 01:17
kn\simpleMay 30 01:17
kaniiniand noMonoMay 30 01:17
BaronVladimirHarMinceR: I was joking.May 30 01:17
CrystalMathschestowitz: will this channel stay here on freenode?May 30 01:17
MinceR:)May 30 01:17
CrystalMathschestowitz: you said you'll merge the logs and stuffMay 30 01:17
techrights-bot#Kaidan 0.8 released: Typing notifications & message synchronization • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151732 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 30 01:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kaidan 0.8 released: Typing notifications & message synchronization | Tux MachinesMay 30 01:18
techrights-bot#My family’s Linux story • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151733 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 30 01:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | My family's Linux story | Tux MachinesMay 30 01:18
schestowitzCrystalMath: yesMay 30 01:19
CrystalMathokay, then there is no problemMay 30 01:19
schestowitz:-DMay 30 01:19
CrystalMathi'll stay hereMay 30 01:19
schestowitzbbiabMay 30 01:19
schestowitzvery stressed here todayMay 30 01:19
CrystalMathand i still support techrightsMay 30 01:19
schestowitzwe lost champions leagueMay 30 01:19
schestowitzI had just 1 hour of sleepMay 30 01:19
schestowitzlots to catch up with in TR and tuxmachinesMay 30 01:19
MinceRsoccer isn't worth stressing aboutMay 30 01:20
schestowitzrelatively minor, yesMay 30 01:20
schestowitzbut nice if TheY can winMay 30 01:20
MinceRhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzpndHtdl9AMay 30 01:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Why you heff to be mad? (Original) - YouTubeMay 30 01:20
CrystalMathafter all, you did say earlier, that this will be your last article about IRC dramaMay 30 01:20
schestowitznot my fault, the players' and coachMay 30 01:20
CrystalMathso there would likely not be any more anyway, and the current articles remain unchanged, so there should be no loss of journalistic integrityMay 30 01:20
schestowitzCrystalMath: yes, I try not to write about IRC at all because it leads to infightingMay 30 01:20
schestowitzit's like a cancerMay 30 01:20
schestowitzlike fighting people over WHICH freesw licenceMay 30 01:21
schestowitzinstead of looking to squash propietaryMay 30 01:21
CrystalMathvim vs. emacs? :)May 30 01:21
rasengan^May 30 01:21
schestowitzinc. github (proprietary)May 30 01:21
rasenganYeah we just need to all get along and realize that the micro arguments are taking time away from the actual macro objective!May 30 01:21
kaniinifwiw rasengan is even invited to participate in building ophionMay 30 01:21
rasengankaniini: Thank you. :-)May 30 01:21
schestowitz:-DMay 30 01:21
kaniiniif he really wants decentralized irc, that's how we get thereMay 30 01:21
schestowitzthe goal is to kill slack, skype, teams, zoom...May 30 01:21
MinceRdiscordMay 30 01:22
kaniinischestowitz: yesMay 30 01:22
kaniinischestowitz: but it will take some timeMay 30 01:22
techrights-bot"The US is actually becoming more like the EPO in its approach, but differences still exist, particularly in software, AI and medical devices." They use corrupt #epo management and buzzwords to promote bogus software patents https://www.lawyer-monthly.com/2021/05/creating-real-value-in-a-patent-portfolio-in-both-the-us-and-europe/May 30 01:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.lawyer-monthly.com | Creating Real Value in a Patent Portfolio InternationallyMay 30 01:22
kaniinii work on alpine full timeMay 30 01:22
kaniinithis is a side projectMay 30 01:22
kn\so what's happening?May 30 01:22
techrights-bot"AI-developed algorithms run for multiple cancer types on the same blood sample" = more bogus #swpats from the deeply corrupted #epo https://www.proactiveinvestors.com/companies/news/946087/todos-wins-notice-of-allowance-from-european-patent-office-for-patent-covering-cancer-diagnosis-using-tbia-immune-profiling-946087.htmlMay 30 01:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.proactiveinvestors.com | Todos Medical Ltd wins Notice of Allowance from European Patent Office for patent covering cancer diagnosis using TBIA Immune ProfilingMay 30 01:22
drazakrasengan: can you remind me what the macro objective is ? May 30 01:23
techrights-bot#IBM Layoffs/Redundancies Rumours (2021) • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/05/29/ibm-layoffsredundancies-rumours-2021/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/05/29/ibm-layoffsredundancies-rumours-2021/May 30 01:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM Layoffs/Redundancies Rumours (2021) | TechrightsMay 30 01:23
kaniinikn\: my guess is that there will be irc.techrights.org, and there will also be freenode for CrystalMathMay 30 01:24
kn\i guess they'll need a relay botMay 30 01:24
*schestowitz goes to grab some foodMay 30 01:24
rasengandrazak: irc wise macro objective is decentralization and a return of irc without getting into specifics... everyone has their different reasons i think.May 30 01:24
rasengan(and everyone has more than 1 reason)May 30 01:25
CrystalMathkaniini: i generally hope that people do stay here as wellMay 30 01:25
CrystalMathi'll bring more people in, maybeMay 30 01:25
CrystalMathpeople should have the right to chooseMay 30 01:25
kn\CrystalMath: probably won't happen but they'll be a relay bot probably just for youMay 30 01:25
CrystalMathkn\: why?May 30 01:25
kn\there will beMay 30 01:25
CrystalMathno i mean why do you believe that there won't be people here?May 30 01:26
kn\schestowitz's objective is to self host and governMay 30 01:26
CrystalMathi understand thatMay 30 01:26
XRevan86It is not convinient for my set-up to be in two places.May 30 01:26
CrystalMathbut i also don't want freenode to lose users :)May 30 01:26
CrystalMaththat's why i will not connect to irc.techrights.orgMay 30 01:26
rasenganCrystalMath: freenode may lose users, but the cause and movement will never die.May 30 01:26
CrystalMathrasengan: well there are many that have decided to stayMay 30 01:27
kaniinirasengan: yes, like bed bugsMay 30 01:27
CrystalMathi'm working day and night to find more and more and get channels to bridgeMay 30 01:27
CrystalMathi managed to reopen a bunch of channels and set up a bridgeMay 30 01:27
CrystalMathwith just conversations with channel ownersMay 30 01:28
rasenganCrystalMath: That's great to hear -- freenode will do its best to be a proper custodian til the day when everyone can be their own custodian easily.May 30 01:28
kaniiniwhat do you mean by 'custodian'May 30 01:28
kn\:sMay 30 01:28
rasenganProvider, support, help, etc.May 30 01:28
CrystalMathi really want freenode to continue to be the most popular IRC network, tooMay 30 01:29
kaniinii really don't care about any of thatMay 30 01:29
CrystalMathso i'm trying to keep people here as hard as i canMay 30 01:29
kaniinii just support individual and collective digital autonomy for allMay 30 01:29
rasenganThat's a good goal.May 30 01:29
kaniiniif people want to use freenode, that's their bizMay 30 01:29
rasenganWe'll get there.May 30 01:29
kn\what's your plan for turning around freenode then?May 30 01:30
rasengankn\: Take 1 step at a time, slowly, with proper communication and discussion.May 30 01:30
schestowitzkn\: correctMay 30 01:30
schestowitzwhere possibleMay 30 01:30
schestowitzcaveats=ISPs etc.May 30 01:30
*schestowitz used IRC before ever using a Web browserMay 30 01:31
CrystalMathkn\: what i'm doing is trying to put the breaks on the move by opening bridges with projects that have left, essentially making it so that the project has two networks instead of having "moved"May 30 01:31
kaniinimy original goals with alpine was to build the smallest possible OS to allow for individuals to secure their own digital autonomyMay 30 01:31
kn\because when you have people on your staff that make homophobic/transphobic/racist remarks or he or she impersonates people past or present it creates a narrative of distrust.May 30 01:31
CrystalMathkn\: in some cases i had to split the community and provide support for the projects unofficiallyMay 30 01:31
kn\I literally posted every log and screenshot for eskimo for apologize and own up to itMay 30 01:31
kn\but the reply was either lol or him owning it and apologizing.May 30 01:32
CrystalMathkn\: eskimo explained that, it's totally not what it looked likeMay 30 01:32
CrystalMathhis imageboard website used to have a public timelineMay 30 01:32
kn\No it is what it looked like.May 30 01:32
kaniinialpine was used during the arab spring to work around hostility from the egyptian state through the use of adhoc mesh networking on crap like old laptops etcMay 30 01:32
kn\It goes deeper than his imageboard.May 30 01:32
kn\stop right there.May 30 01:32
kn\kaniini you know I am not wrong.May 30 01:32
kaniinii'm not going to say how we verified some things ^_^May 30 01:33
kaniinijust that they were definitely verified!May 30 01:33
techrights-bot#Google #Android Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151734 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 30 01:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesMay 30 01:33
CrystalMathkn\: what you are doing is cancel culture against eskimoMay 30 01:33
techrights-botThe above video took a lot of research time to prepare (about 200 visits to the forums over the past month); companies are rarely upfront about layoffs/cost-saving plans and growing corporate/staff unrest http://techrights.org/2021/05/29/ibm-layoffsredundancies-rumours-2021/May 30 01:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM Layoffs/Redundancies Rumours (2021) | TechrightsMay 30 01:33
CrystalMathkn\: plus it's falseMay 30 01:33
CrystalMathbut cancel culture is usually baselessMay 30 01:33
kaniiniit is 100% accurateMay 30 01:33
kn\kaniini is one of my first friends that I ever accepted as transgender. Had it been me years ago, I would of made asshole remarks but I changed for the better and my views changed as I grew as a personMay 30 01:34
kaniinianywayMay 30 01:34
CrystalMathkn\: are you implying that you had friends you didn't accept?May 30 01:34
kn\Huh?May 30 01:35
*bagira (~bagira@freenode/staff/phanes) has joined #techrightsMay 30 01:35
kn\I grew up in the south.May 30 01:35
kn\Where things like that weren't ok.May 30 01:35
kaniinigo away chrisMay 30 01:35
kn\I went in the militaryMay 30 01:35
kn\people didn't like it there eitherMay 30 01:35
kn\People change.May 30 01:35
CrystalMathhi bagira! nice to see you hereMay 30 01:35
kaniinirasengan: why haven't you deopered chris punches yetMay 30 01:35
kn\same with eskimo manMay 30 01:36
CrystalMathkaniini: because he is a good personMay 30 01:36
kn\no it's he not.May 30 01:36
CrystalMathwell i can't speak for rasenganMay 30 01:36
kn\no he's notMay 30 01:36
CrystalMathbut i believe that bagira is a good personMay 30 01:36
techrights-botA lot of the time you get the feeling that #ultimateedition is developed and maintained by a drunk person :-) http://ultimateedition.info/massive/May 30 01:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ultimateedition.info | MASSIVE !!! - Ultimate EditionMay 30 01:36
CrystalMathkaniini: what you are doing is also "cancel culture", and why i had hoped that techrights will continue without youMay 30 01:36
*XRevan86 is in a zoo-garden now.May 30 01:37
kn\........May 30 01:37
CrystalMathschestowitz: so you see why i find difficulty in trusting techrights with people like kaniini and kn\ on board?May 30 01:38
schestowitzwe don't have a Board of Directors :-)May 30 01:41
MinceR:>May 30 01:42
*wineroots (f24d257755@gateway/shell/disroot.org/x-mrxxulibtwicjuwc) has joined #techrightsMay 30 01:42
BaronVladimirHarI just took some silver. I've been nursing an oncoming sinus infection.May 30 01:42
BaronVladimirHarLet's see if it has any effect on that.May 30 01:42
CrystalMathschestowitz: but clearly they influence decisionsMay 30 01:43
BaronVladimirHarThey happen so frequently that I don't go to the doctor anymore. They might give me antiobiotics, and that'll chase it off for a few months.May 30 01:43
CrystalMathanyway, if i see techrights move away from freenode, i will stop reading it, and stop participating in the community; i'm fine with a presence here and there thoughMay 30 01:43
schestowitzthe only emails telling me what to write are from sourcesMay 30 01:43
schestowitzfragmentation is the issueMay 30 01:44
CrystalMaththere = irc.techrights.orgMay 30 01:44
schestowitzmoving away is not the solutionMay 30 01:44
CrystalMathat least it's not that bastard network that i will not mention (something beginning with L)May 30 01:44
MinceRlolMay 30 01:44
schestowitzmy IRC clients support multiple networks in tandemMay 30 01:44
schestowitzdidn't try this beforeMay 30 01:44
schestowitzall those yearsMay 30 01:44
BaronVladimirHarI used to use HexChat.May 30 01:44
MinceRi'm on 11 networks :>May 30 01:44
BaronVladimirHarMany IRC networks block you if you use a VPN now.May 30 01:45
schestowitzheck, maybe we could write bridgesMay 30 01:45
schestowitzwith suckless iiMay 30 01:45
MinceRthe only irc client i ever used that lacked multiserver support was mircMay 30 01:45
schestowitzto relay things acrossMay 30 01:45
schestowitzI can do it or experiment tomorrowMay 30 01:45
MinceRthere are already bridge bots available, afaikMay 30 01:45
BaronVladimirHar<MinceR "the only irc client i ever used "> mIRC let you connect to numerous servers.May 30 01:45
schestowitzbut the issue is how to handle usernames etc.May 30 01:45
MinceRBaronVladimirHar: eventually.May 30 01:45
BaronVladimirHarI used it when I had Windows 98.May 30 01:45
schestowitzMinceR: I can imagine...May 30 01:45
CrystalMathMinceR: i'm concerned that this is really just a project to compromise by making freenode lose more usersMay 30 01:45
schestowitz[01:43] <CrystalMath> schestowitz: but clearly they influence decisionsMay 30 01:45
BaronVladimirHarI appreciated how easy it was to script in mIRC.May 30 01:45
schestowitzmore than just me influence decisionsMay 30 01:46
schestowitzon a lot of thingsMay 30 01:46
schestowitzit's not an ego tripMay 30 01:46
kn\mirc is as simple as /server -mMay 30 01:46
schestowitzThis channel/network was set up for us by slated from slated.orgMay 30 01:46
CrystalMathi'll probably put the bridge bot on ignore if it gets hereMay 30 01:46
kaniinirasengan: did you know your staffer is threatening to sue me?May 30 01:46
schestowitzKeith from ScotlandMay 30 01:46
BaronVladimirHarmIRC should run fine on GNU/Linux distributions in Wine if you want to set it up that way.May 30 01:48
kn\still runs like crap and not necessary if you use glowing bear or hexchat or some other clientMay 30 01:48
MinceRBaronVladimirHar: multiserver support was added in 6.0, i used 5.xMay 30 01:49
MinceRhttps://www.mirc.com/newsold.htmlMay 30 01:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mIRC: Older NewsMay 30 01:49
MinceRi switched to xchat before mirc 6.0 came outMay 30 01:49
BaronVladimirHarI switched to ChatZilla mostly for a while, then XChat, then HexChat.May 30 01:49
MinceRi went mirc -> xchat -> kvirc -> irssiMay 30 01:50
techrights-bot#SteamOS Review: Linux for Your Living Room • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151735 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #DebianMay 30 01:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SteamOS Review: Linux for Your Living Room | Tux MachinesMay 30 01:50
kn\yikesMay 30 01:50
kn\steamos is terribleMay 30 01:50
BaronVladimirHarChatZilla has been updated, finally, to run in SeaMonkey again, and moved into the main program.May 30 01:50
kn\also I have a steam machine made by dellMay 30 01:51
MinceRlolMay 30 01:51
kn\I installed libreelecMay 30 01:51
kn\Kodi runs good with embyMay 30 01:51
XRevan86I also have an IRC client journey: I used to use ejabberd mod_irc, now I'm on biboumi.May 30 01:51
techrights-bot#Blockchain being thrown at everything for hype's sake :-) https://www.iottechtrends.com/how-zero-trust-blockchain-tech-secure-air-force/May 30 01:51
kn\I am use a cable tuner I have in the USMay 30 01:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.iottechtrends.com | How Zero-trust Blockchain Tech Can Secure the Air Force - IoT Tech TrendsMay 30 01:51
CrystalMathschestowitz: tbh, the reason why i'm angry with you is because i skipped sleeping trying to get people to stay on freenodeMay 30 01:51
CrystalMathschestowitz: i literally have to replace 8-9 support teams nowMay 30 01:52
drazakrasengan: so if the macro objective is decentralization, I guess it isn't a concern people are leaving for libera chat and other networks more in line with FOSS ethicsMay 30 01:52
kn\and watch american television from hereMay 30 01:52
CrystalMathdrazak: this network is perfectly in line with FLOSS ethicsMay 30 01:52
MinceRi don't see how they're more in line with "FOSS ethics"May 30 01:52
CrystalMathdrazak: in fact, Libera is against FLOSS ethics, as schestowitz said in a video earlier todayMay 30 01:52
drazakCrystalMath: I'm sure it's perfectly in line with making sure there's nothing between your teeth :) who isn't May 30 01:52
CrystalMathdrazak: why are you even here, if you support garbage networks like Libera? Libera is strongly against the freedom of speechMay 30 01:53
schestowitz[01:52] <CrystalMath> schestowitz: i literally have to replace 8-9 support teams nowMay 30 01:53
schestowitzyou mean shifts?May 30 01:53
kn\I am going to keep my comments to myself butMay 30 01:53
CrystalMathschestowitz: no, many channels that have moved, i'm now doing all the support on the unofficial channelsMay 30 01:53
drazakI don't think I said I support any of the other networksMay 30 01:54
kn\I'll say one more thing CrystalMath, I think you have a screw loose up thereMay 30 01:54
CrystalMath##regex, ##perl, ##fvwm, ...May 30 01:54
kn\my opinion not factMay 30 01:54
schestowitzIRC is not great for support tbhMay 30 01:54
CrystalMathi have to maintain it all when people come, so that they don't leave for that other placeMay 30 01:54
schestowitzesp. because solutions do not get archivesMay 30 01:54
CrystalMathkn\: freenode is my home and i love it, i will never forgive the libera staff for the lies they wroteMay 30 01:55
schestowitzso you end up having to explain the same things over and over againMay 30 01:55
kn\what lies do you think they wroteMay 30 01:55
drazakCrystalMath: I don't think taking over channels because the community decided to move is at all in line with FOSS ethics, but I'd happy to debate itMay 30 01:55
CrystalMathdrazak: i didn't, i just joined them and i provide supportMay 30 01:55
CrystalMathi've been given ops in some, but they are not mineMay 30 01:55
CrystalMathonly ##fvwm is mineMay 30 01:55
drazakI didn't suggest you did, i suggested the staff of this network did, which there's documented proof of May 30 01:56
schestowitzCrystalMath: I am still trying to wrap my head around this fragmentationMay 30 01:56
MinceRattempting to cancel someone over poorly understood writings isn't in line with free software ethics eitherMay 30 01:56
MinceRand "open source" is irrelevantMay 30 01:56
schestowitzfederation is not decentralisation, only similarMay 30 01:56
schestowitzbut thankfully we can unify things in the sense of recordsMay 30 01:57
CrystalMathdrazak: the ethics of FLOSS is that software should not have owners - but some people decided to lock down channelsMay 30 01:57
schestowitzI can, for example, use sort and uniq to merge IRC logsMay 30 01:58
CrystalMathdrazak: i am very glad that staff gave us a path to bypass thatMay 30 01:58
schestowitzthe timestamps are formatted suitably alreadyMay 30 01:58
MinceRwouldn't it make more sense to keep them as separate logs?May 30 01:58
MinceRat least as long as we have no bridgeMay 30 01:58
drazakCrystalMath: I think people tried to direct their communities to their new homes, to prevent fragmentation of their community caused by displeasure with the host of their community ( rasengan ) May 30 01:58
schestowitzdepending on source file I can add icon for source networkMay 30 01:58
CrystalMathdrazak: not everyone shares this displeasureMay 30 01:58
drazakCrystalMath: and because there was concern over numbers going down, staff decided to take the channels over May 30 01:58
CrystalMathdrazak: yes because people were forced to leaveMay 30 01:59
drazakso, a community like gentoo can't decide where it wants its irc home to be ? May 30 01:59
schestowitzMinceR: that's the natural thought, yesMay 30 01:59
CrystalMathdrazak: if i want to have a gentoo community on freenode i should be allowed to have oneMay 30 01:59
schestowitzor to split somewhere, then basically have two sectionsMay 30 01:59
schestowitzas the networks are not concurrentMay 30 01:59
drazakso, did freenode get rid of ## for official project channels ? May 30 02:00
schestowitzeither way, this isn't one network against the other per se but self-hosted plus "critical mass" etc.May 30 02:00
CrystalMathdrazak: ## is for unofficialMay 30 02:00
CrystalMathdrazak: that's what my channels areMay 30 02:00
schestowitzyou can guess which will have lower s/n ratioMay 30 02:00
schestowitzMinceR: the "Mandy diaries..."May 30 02:01
schestowitzcomposed by the spouseMay 30 02:01
MinceRlolMay 30 02:01
schestowitzBleepingComputerMay 30 02:03
schestowitzMicrosoft boosting again https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/hands-on-with-wslg-running-linux-gui-apps-in-windows-10/May 30 02:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | Hands on with WSLg: Running Linux GUI apps in Windows 10May 30 02:03
schestowitzWSL with a geeeeeeeMay 30 02:03
schestowitzthe geeee May 30 02:03
schestowitzoh geeeeMay 30 02:03
schestowitzwonder why Canonical's WSL staff jumped shipMay 30 02:03
schestowitzbetter not ask themMay 30 02:03
schestowitzthey'll come here to IRC again with a new cloakMay 30 02:04
schestowitzWSLg10May 30 02:04
schestowitzWSLg10xMay 30 02:04
kn\I don't like the idea of WSLMay 30 02:04
schestowitzWSLg10x Premium Edition+May 30 02:04
schestowitzkn\: it's a form of EEEMay 30 02:04
kn\I am happier with Windows in a VMMay 30 02:04
schestowitzthey already added DXMay 30 02:04
schestowitzso we know what they have in mindMay 30 02:04
schestowitzyou think you develop in 'LinuxMay 30 02:04
schestowitzbut it won't run without Vista10May 30 02:05
CrystalMathkn\: you know that my eyes are red from all this reading and typing, all the time?May 30 02:05
CrystalMathand the cryingMay 30 02:05
schestowitzso they you deploy servers and stuff on windows + overheadMay 30 02:05
CrystalMathprobably mostly because of the cryingMay 30 02:05
kn\Maybe you should see a doctor about thatMay 30 02:05
schestowitzCrystalMath: appreciate the sincerity, sorry about all that..May 30 02:05
schestowitzkn\: no, he spent a lot of effort in IRCMay 30 02:06
schestowitzthat's understandableMay 30 02:06
kn\schestowitz I am not quite as nice and I will be bluntMay 30 02:06
schestowitzno need toMay 30 02:06
schestowitznot helpingMay 30 02:06
kn\us military messed my body up. im not cryingMay 30 02:06
kn\Sorry but I don't play into that. The freenode situation has already been harmful enough and has hurt a lot of people.May 30 02:07
schestowitzmy wife complains I never cryMay 30 02:07
schestowitzkn\: shows why we're right to avert this whole split and infightingMay 30 02:07
schestowitzamicable splits are one thing...May 30 02:08
schestowitzbut this is a propaganda warMay 30 02:08
schestowitzwhere people call horrible names and make caricatures of people whom they see as "enemies"May 30 02:08
CrystalMathschestowitz: yet i see you giving into the propaganda and moving away from freenodeMay 30 02:08
schestowitzCrystalMath: nope, not even closeMay 30 02:08
schestowitzwe've long wanted to have a self-hosted contingencyMay 30 02:08
kn\I think I only care about the ophion project mostly now. it will prevent disasters from happening like this ever againMay 30 02:09
schestowitztechrights isn't moving to anything but techrightsMay 30 02:09
schestowitzwe're moving more inwards while keeping the doors all openMay 30 02:09
kn\But I will tell you thisMay 30 02:09
schestowitzCrystalMath: one way you can help easily is pin bulletinsMay 30 02:09
kn\The universities in the south do not promote open sourceMay 30 02:09
CrystalMathschestowitz: accepting a compromise that hurts freenode, in a pretty bad time, when every connection countsMay 30 02:10
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/ipfs/bulletins.htmlMay 30 02:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS IndexMay 30 02:10
schestowitzCIDs thereMay 30 02:10
kn\Universities in the south like their walled gardensMay 30 02:10
CrystalMathschestowitz: why now?May 30 02:10
schestowitzCrystalMath: we're 90 users here onlineMay 30 02:10
schestowitznot hanging upMay 30 02:10
kn\Most of my professors never advocated for open source software and that's troublingMay 30 02:10
schestowitzCrystalMath: because finally there's an IRC guru helping to set up what we wanted a year agMay 30 02:10
schestowitz*AgoMay 30 02:10
kn\All they advocated for was eclipse which is troublingMay 30 02:10
schestowitzeclipse is better than VS crapMay 30 02:11
CrystalMathschestowitz: conveniently at a time when dropping a connection to freenode is politicalMay 30 02:11
schestowitzI used eclipseMay 30 02:11
kn\You don't want to know what I useMay 30 02:11
kn\lolMay 30 02:11
kn\actuallyMay 30 02:11
kn\I'll tell youMay 30 02:11
MinceRi use vimMay 30 02:11
kn\I use IntellijMay 30 02:11
kn\it's not freeMay 30 02:11
schestowitzCrystalMath: looks like we move towards ophion as solutionMay 30 02:11
kn\i mean it is and it isn'tMay 30 02:11
schestowitzlike the one Lee was pursuing before it blew overMay 30 02:12
schestowitzfree software is winningMay 30 02:12
schestowitzhence all this chaosMay 30 02:12
schestowitzpower trips and outside interferenceMay 30 02:12
schestowitzIBM is collapsingMay 30 02:12
schestowitznot Red HatMay 30 02:12
schestowitzbut IBMMay 30 02:12
schestowitzThey've joined hands with Microsoft in some areasMay 30 02:12
schestowitzthey're a losing teamMay 30 02:13
schestowitzAmazon and others take all the carrotsMay 30 02:13
schestowitzAndroid is becoming 'too May 30 02:13
schestowitz' dominantMay 30 02:13
schestowitzFree software becomes de facto foe devsMay 30 02:13
schestowitzso Microsoft tries to rebrand MSVS as "open"May 30 02:13
schestowitzeven by lyingMay 30 02:13
schestowitzblowing money on a dying repoMay 30 02:14
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2021/01/24/fleeing-github/May 30 02:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft: The Year After We Bought GitHub There Was a Significant Decline in Number of New Projects on GitHub | TechrightsMay 30 02:14
schestowitzmore people not self host and use sourcehut etc.May 30 02:14
CrystalMathschestowitz: personally i believe the best time to leave freenode was UNTIL a week ago, now freenode is much better, and can be entirely trustedMay 30 02:14
schestowitzwe just need to steer them away from clown computingMay 30 02:15
CrystalMathso i will ignore any bridge that comes hereMay 30 02:15
schestowitzCrystalMath: freenode # of users didn't change muchMay 30 02:15
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/stats-freenode-history-uc.pngMay 30 02:15
schestowitzpeaked in 2015May 30 02:15
CrystalMathi know, i still loved it when it was just 50kMay 30 02:16
schestowitznow it's back to 2013-ish levelsMay 30 02:16
CrystalMathin 2008 when i first connectedMay 30 02:16
CrystalMathand yeah we have been dropping steadily since 2015May 30 02:16
schestowitzI started with dalnet iircMay 30 02:16
MinceRi liked it more when it was new to meMay 30 02:16
kn\huhMay 30 02:16
kn\what graph are you looking at schestowitz May 30 02:16
kn\https://netsplit.de/networks/history/top10_2021u.pngMay 30 02:16
kn\this is the graph I am looking it.May 30 02:16
drazakrasengan: well, interested in your thoughts when you have time May 30 02:16
MinceRkn\: the graph you're looking at only shows 2021May 30 02:17
kn\https://isfreenodedeadyet.com/May 30 02:17
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kn\-2k users today.May 30 02:17
schestowitzit was high around feb, I mentioned that yesterdayMay 30 02:17
CrystalMaththere was always a 2k bounce every dayMay 30 02:17
techrights-ipfs ▕  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▅▇▅▅▅▅▆▆▅▄▆▅▅▆▄▇▄▆▆▇▅▆▃▄▂▆▇▄▁▅▆▅▅▁ avg(k/sec) 29.75 ▕  IPFS upstream: ▂▂▃▂▂▃▂▁▂▂▁▂▃▃▂▁▂▁▂▂▂▂▁▁▂▂▁█▂▂▂▃▁ avg(k/sec) 8.91▕ swarm size (avg): 234.19  ⟲May 30 02:17
CrystalMathif you look at the historyMay 30 02:17
schestowitzanyway, I saw NO POSTS ABOUT IRC todayMay 30 02:17
schestowitzin all my RSS feedsMay 30 02:17
schestowitzso let's hope people can move on and go back to codingMay 30 02:18
schestowitzI made 3 videos yesterdayMay 30 02:18
schestowitzand spent 2 hours on the phoneMay 30 02:18
MinceRthat site doesn't show any data to meMay 30 02:18
kn\you don't think that the major projects leaving freenode impacts the population vastly?May 30 02:18
CrystalMathhttps://netsplit.de/tmp/networks/stats-freenode-week-uc.pngMay 30 02:18
CrystalMathas you can see we've always had daily bouncesMay 30 02:19
CrystalMathbut today we didn't bounce back up as highMay 30 02:19
techrights-botToday’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151736 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 30 02:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesMay 30 02:20
kn\so you're still going to say this when freenode hits 30k users after all the matrix bridges move?May 30 02:20
CrystalMathkn\: both matrix bridges are upMay 30 02:21
schestowitzmatrix does not count for that muchMay 30 02:21
schestowitzand matrix links here OKMay 30 02:21
CrystalMathmatrix is 20k but why would it disconnect from freenode?May 30 02:21
schestowitzlet's change subject and move onMay 30 02:21
schestowitzwe're about to generate the IRC logs for yesterdayMay 30 02:21
schestowitz2:30May 30 02:21
MinceRthe matrix bridge seems to crash every now and thenMay 30 02:22
CrystalMathMinceR: yes, you can see a few days agoMay 30 02:22
CrystalMaththey account for 20kMay 30 02:22
CrystalMathkn\: you know that matrix bridges to more than one network?May 30 02:23
CrystalMaththey bridge to OFTC tooMay 30 02:24
drazakMatrix bridges: still stupid 25 years laterMay 30 02:25
schestowitzMinceR: working on the merge solutionMay 30 02:26
schestowitzmight want to add ip cloaksMay 30 02:26
schestowitzfor now I sub with x'sMay 30 02:26
MinceRthere's HostServ for that, if you mean the other sideMay 30 02:26
MinceRif you're an ircop, you can just /quote hostserv set :>May 30 02:26
schestowitzI will look into that, thanksMay 30 02:26
MinceRthere might also be a way to have automatic cloakingMay 30 02:26
schestowitzthat might helpMay 30 02:27
MinceRso that if someone joins, the least significant part of their address is hashedMay 30 02:27
schestowitzalso safer for our whisleblowersMay 30 02:27
schestowitzwho DMMay 30 02:27
schestowitzfreenode staff could always see the ips and logs and stuffMay 30 02:27
schestowitznot a new issueMay 30 02:27
schestowitzwhistleblowers don't know what that "other domain" isMay 30 02:28
schestowitzhttps://www.davidrevoy.com/article847/the-official-chat-room-movedMay 30 02:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.davidrevoy.com | The official chat room moved - David RevoyMay 30 02:28
schestowitzthis is the ONLY one from todayMay 30 02:28
schestowitzjust one small channelMay 30 02:28
schestowitz#pepper&carrot May 30 02:29
schestowitzhe also did the anti-RMS thingMay 30 02:29
schestowitzso I am not shockedMay 30 02:29
schestowitzin fact, this is much as expected...May 30 02:29
schestowitz"To interact with us, you'll need to create an account (and I recommend the read of our CoC) but that's all. Easy!"May 30 02:29
schestowitzWe never had a CoCMay 30 02:29
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schestowitzthey want to have their CoC fightsMay 30 02:30
schestowitzgood luck with thatMay 30 02:30
MinceR:>May 30 02:30
schestowitzthey'll only hurt one another where amicable resolutions are possibleMay 30 02:30
schestowitzyou talk to both sidesMay 30 02:30
schestowitzand find a way forwardMay 30 02:30
schestowitznot prick-waving (or CoC-wavinf)May 30 02:30
MinceRschestowitz__: apparently cloaking can be configured in the configuration file (default.yaml or something like that) in the ip-cloaking: sectionMay 30 02:31
schestowitzintimidation with a virtual baseball batMay 30 02:31
schestowitzI don't consider it a 'Safe space" where netkkkops threaten people with bansMay 30 02:31
schestowitzit's a two-way streetMay 30 02:31
kaniiniwell i support the autonomy of #pepper&carrot to use whatever IRC network they wishMay 30 02:32
schestowitzin the context of irc also collective punishment, e.g. whole channel for one's person's speechMay 30 02:32
schestowitzkaniini: yeahMay 30 02:32
schestowitzno point fighting over itMay 30 02:32
schestowitzjust taking stock, that's allMay 30 02:32
kaniiniI also think the pepper & carrot web comic is quite nice.May 30 02:32
MinceRindeedMay 30 02:33
schestowitzI love i and promote itMay 30 02:36
schestowitzmr. revoy felt hurt about rms coming back to fsf boardMay 30 02:36
schestowitzi personally think he misunderstood rms' positionMay 30 02:37
kaniiniwell i didn't think that was particularly great eitherMay 30 02:37
schestowitzbased on what he was told and/or heardMay 30 02:37
kaniinithough, upon further thought about itMay 30 02:37
schestowitzbut... maybe notMay 30 02:37
kaniinii guess it does not really matterMay 30 02:37
tessierschestowitz: Speaking of hosting..it's super hard to sell hosting. We never got a single inquiry from the ads we ran on techrights etc. But we tried. The hosting just wasn't growing and I didn't know how to sell it. I'm not a salesperson. But an embezzling partner didn't help and is ultimately what made me decide to close it down.May 30 02:37
schestowitz2 years ago I was surprised fsf was dependent for comms on third party infraMay 30 02:37
tessierThere's still litigation pending over that one.May 30 02:38
kaniinitessier: oofMay 30 02:38
schestowitztessier: thanks for clarifyingMay 30 02:38
MinceRit's sad to see revoy throwing in his lot with SJWsMay 30 02:38
schestowitztessier: we hope that over time people will get off "the clown" (cloud)May 30 02:38
schestowitzit's like mainframe 1.1May 30 02:39
kaniinimainframes are coolerMay 30 02:39
tessierAnd really, I wasn't trying to sell hosting. I really wanted to sell security programs. Secure hosting that will pass audits etc. But nobody was interested. Especially if it wasn't in "the cloud".May 30 02:39
kaniinii gave a talk about that at alpineconfMay 30 02:39
kaniinieveryone pretty much agreed that my mainframe was coolerMay 30 02:39
MinceRwhat sort of mainframe?May 30 02:39
tessierHosting was just something that had to go along with selling secure servers it seemed like. But to my surprise everyone, even the US Federal Government, are ok with having sensitive information in the cloud.May 30 02:40
schestowitztessier: iirc, your kid uses raspi 400May 30 02:40
tessierschestowitz: Correct.May 30 02:40
schestowitzwe do gemini and ipfs from raspi 4May 30 02:40
tessierAlthough we still don't have the sound working on it, a year later. Annoying.May 30 02:40
schestowitzyes, sound is also not loud enough on thoseMay 30 02:40
tessierThe problem is that the rpi 400 doesn't even have a 3.5mm jack for sound. Or even bluetooth for bluetooth speakers.May 30 02:40
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schestowitzI never even plugged it in, as I was told it would not work too well...  but I added a LED HAT to itMay 30 02:41
tessierOr maybe it does have bluetooth and we could never get it to connect.May 30 02:41
tessierIt's been so long since we have messed with it that I forgot.May 30 02:41
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schestowitzyeah, well... those limitations are minor for some usesMay 30 02:42
schestowitzmaybe you can get your son some programming tools May 30 02:42
BaronVladimirHarEven without the Rewards turned on, Brave is a pretty good browser.May 30 02:42
BaronVladimirHarBut the shop manager at the Car-X was interested in it for quite a few reasons, including the cryptocurrency stuff.May 30 02:43
schestowitztessier: ->>> my pi http://techrights.org/2021/05/23/monitoring-ipfs/May 30 02:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Using a Single-Board Computer to Monitor IPFS | TechrightsMay 30 02:43
schestowitzit shows me the ipfs status and moreMay 30 02:43
BaronVladimirHarI came out ahead on some BAT trades earlier this year.May 30 02:43
tessierHe is interested. He has played with Scratch. Not sure yet if he has the patience for it though. I hope so. He wants to do more and is interested in Python but he's 9 which is just a bit young still but almost there.May 30 02:43
tessierI'm playing with Chia.May 30 02:43
schestowitzahMay 30 02:43
BaronVladimirHar<schestowitz "it shows me the ipfs status and "> I'm not sure there's any browser but Brave that has IPFS built-in.May 30 02:43
schestowitznot the coinMay 30 02:43
tessierI'm still puzzled by crypto. I am not too optimistic about it long term. It's all speculative pump and dump it seems.May 30 02:44
schestowitzBaronVladimirHar: true, for now...May 30 02:44
schestowitzI heard they also considered geminiMay 30 02:44
schestowitzit's very easy to implement support for itMay 30 02:44
tessierBut so many people have "too the moon!" religion about it that they don't really dump like traditional short term speculators and profiteers.May 30 02:44
schestowitzmaybe one day's worthMay 30 02:44
tessierBut I think it's got to happen eventually.May 30 02:44
BaronVladimirHarApparently, WebTorrent in Brave slipped one over the fence on Apple.May 30 02:44
tessierIf you can't buy a pack of gum with it, it doesn't have a future.May 30 02:44
BaronVladimirHarThey won't sign bittorrent apps on the Mac, but Brave has WebTorrent built in, and you can run it on a Mac with Gatekeeper on.May 30 02:45
schestowitztessier: that's what I've long saidMay 30 02:45
schestowitzor if you buy X with it, until year Y but not after that, major uncertainty and riskMay 30 02:45
schestowitzMinceR: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-290521.html#tMay%2029%2023:43May 30 02:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Saturday, May 29, 2021May 30 02:46
BaronVladimirHarProtesters showed up at the Illinois Capitol today.May 30 02:46
schestowitzI will code something to automate itMay 30 02:46
BaronVladimirHarThey're protesting a nuclear power plant that might shut down.May 30 02:46
BaronVladimirHarLots of jobs in an area that otherwise doesn't have very many good ones.May 30 02:46
tessierschestowitz: What is IPFS? Interplanetary File System? Why do I want to monitor it?May 30 02:47
techrights-bot*** 𝐈 𝐑 𝐂   𝐋 𝐈 𝐍 𝐊 𝐒 *** Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-290521.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-290521.txt Read the log now...May 30 02:47
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schestowitz__for this irc daemon? I never ran any irc daemon at all, just openfire (not IRC)May 30 02:47
schestowitz__Ariadne might knowMay 30 02:47
BaronVladimirHarIf the nuclear plant shuts down, you have to replace it with capacity someplace else.May 30 02:47
schestowitz__I don't want to expose IPs of people accustomed to IRC cloaksMay 30 02:47
BaronVladimirHarThat might put us behind on pollution goals.May 30 02:47
MinceRschestowitz: niceMay 30 02:47
MinceRfor this one, yesMay 30 02:48
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MinceRif you don't want IPs to be exposed, you don't want them to be visible here, not only in logsMay 30 02:48
MinceRpresumablyMay 30 02:48
schestowitz__yes, of courseMay 30 02:48
schestowitzMinceR: will maybe do some fancy things with itMay 30 02:49
techrights-bot*** 𝐈 𝐑 𝐂   𝐋 𝐈 𝐍 𝐊 𝐒 *** Yesterday's #boycottnovell IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-290521.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-290521.txt Read the log now...May 30 02:49
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MinceRand once that's a given, you don't need to filter them in logs either :>May 30 02:49
schestowitztomorrowMay 30 02:49
schestowitzas i lack sleep at the moment... stress last nightMay 30 02:49
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-290521.txtMay 30 02:49
schestowitzalready supported OKMay 30 02:49
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schestowitz__thanks!May 30 02:50
techrights-bot*** 𝐁𝐔𝐋𝐋𝐄𝐓𝐈𝐍 *** Yesterday's bulletin ready. http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2021-05-29.txtMay 30 02:51
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techrights-botShirish Agarwal: Planes, Pandemic and Medical Devices – I https://flossexperiences.wordpress.com/2021/05/29/planes-pandemic-and-medical-devices-i/ #india #covid19May 30 02:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-flossexperiences.wordpress.com | Planes, Pandemic and Medical Devices – I – Experiences in the communityMay 30 02:58
techrights-bot"Rich countries donated/gifted ventilators to #India on which GOI put GST of 28%. Apparently, they are a luxury item, just like my hearing aid." https://flossexperiences.wordpress.com/2021/05/29/planes-pandemic-and-medical-devices-i/May 30 03:00
techrights-bot"Today, we're going to talk about which distributions someone currently using Windows could move to. They're not in any specific order or preference, they all answer to different needs!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReAz7ZQ8hgkMay 30 03:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The BEST Linux distributions for switching from Windows to Linux - YouTubeMay 30 03:01
techrights-botTop 10 video downloaders for #Firefox | FOSS Linux ⚓ https://www.fosslinux.com/47164/video-downloaders-firefox-add-links-to-the-extensions.htm ䷉ #fosslinuxMay 30 03:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosslinux.com | Top 10 video downloaders for Firefox | FOSS LinuxMay 30 03:02
techrights-botLinux 5.14 To Feature Enhanced Support For #MikroTik 10G/25G NIC - Phoronix ⚓ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MikroTik-10G-25G-NIC-Linux-5.14 ䷉ #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux 🐧 | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/05/30/#latestMay 30 03:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux 5.14 To Feature Enhanced Support For MikroTik 10G/25G NIC - PhoronixMay 30 03:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media PostsMay 30 03:04
techrights-ipfs☞ Gemini requests since start of month:  138925 total • Total pages: 35718 •   Active: active (running) since Fri 2021-03-26 00:17:05 GMT; 2 months 4 days agoMay 30 03:04
techrights-ipfs☞ IPFS local node stats (past 23 hours) calculated.  TotalIn: 2.2 GB  •  TotalOut: 606 MBMay 30 03:04
techrights-ipfs☞ New daily bulletin just generated. It is about to be added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with CID May 30 03:04
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techrights-bot#RemoteDesktop with #GNULinux : 5 Apps Which You Can Use • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151737 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 30 03:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Remote Desktop with Linux: 5 Apps Which You Can Use | Tux MachinesMay 30 03:07
techrights-bot"Last year, I took a look at a new Linux distro called Archcraft OS on camera. I trashed Archcraft on that video due to it being virtually unusable due to some insanely small font sizes that caused me pain just looking at it." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qSeZ7ET7PQMay 30 03:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-New Release of Archcraft OS. Will It Change My Mind? - YouTubeMay 30 03:08
techrights-bot#Bitmapflow helps artists generate inbetweens for animated sprites https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/05/bitmapflow-helps-artists-generate-inbetweens-for-animated-sprites it is #freeswMay 30 03:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bitmapflow helps artists generate inbetweens for animated sprites | GamingOnLinuxMay 30 03:09
techrights-bot"I did some initial testing quite some months ago for the developer, to ensure their standalone #GNU #Linux builds were working correctly and it seems to hold up nicely in this release." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/05/retro-commander-is-a-q4x-post-apocalyptic-rtsq-that-now-has-an-alpha-availableMay 30 03:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Retro Commander is a "4X post-apocalyptic RTS" that now has an Alpha available | GamingOnLinuxMay 30 03:10
techrights-bot"Ten years ago I began the olduse.net exhibit, spooling out Usenet history in real time with a 30 year delay. My archive has reached its end, and ten years is more than long enough to keep running something you cobbled together overnight way back when. So, this is the end for olduse.net." http://joeyh.name/blog/entry/the_end_of_the_olduse.net_exhibit/May 30 03:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joeyh.name | the end of the olduse.net exhibitMay 30 03:12
techrights-bot#PCLinuxOS Latest http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147392#comment-29785May 30 03:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Distribution Release: PCLinuxOS 2021.02 | Tux MachinesMay 30 03:17
techrights-bot#KDE Plasma 5.22 Faster For #NVIDIA + #Wayland, More Crash Fixes http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151725#comment-29786May 30 03:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | This week in KDE: performance improvements galore | Tux MachinesMay 30 03:19
techrights-ipfs ▕  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▅▆▇▅▆▃▅▆▁▂▅▅▆▆▅▆▆▆▆▅▆▆▆▆▃▅▆▅▇▅▆▅▆▇▁ avg(k/sec) 27.75 ▕  IPFS upstream: ▃▂▂▁▂▂█▁▁▃▂▂▂▂▂▂▃▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▁▁▂▂▂▂▁ avg(k/sec) 35.56▕ swarm size (avg): 234.27  ⟲May 30 03:20
techrights-bot#Games : Bitmapflow, Retro Commander, and Valve • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151738 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #gamingMay 30 03:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Bitmapflow, Retro Commander, and Valve | Tux MachinesMay 30 03:21
techrights-botIs #Gentoo Linux an anachronism? • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151739 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 30 03:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Is Gentoo Linux an anachronism? | Tux MachinesMay 30 03:27
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techrights-bot#ALTLinux 9.1 "Simply" is out. #gnu #linux #russia https://en.altlinux.org/Simply_Linux_9#9.1May 30 03:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.altlinux.org | Simply Linux 9 - ALT Linux WikiMay 30 03:29
Ariadnei'll turn it onMay 30 03:32
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techrights-bot" #Bootlin has been offering for several years a Buildroot system development course, which allows engineers interested in learning and understanding the Buildroot embedded Linux build system to get up to speed very quickly." https://bootlin.com/blog/bootlin-buildroot-system-development-course-updated-to-buildroot-2021-02/May 30 03:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bootlin "Buildroot system development" course updated to Buildroot 2021.02 - Bootlin's blogMay 30 03:33
techrights-botHardware assisted root of trust mechanism and coreboot internals https://9esec.io/blog/hardware-assisted-root-of-trust-mechanism-and-coreboot-internals/ #corebotMay 30 03:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-9esec.io | Hardware assisted root of trust mechanism and coreboot internalsMay 30 03:35
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techrights-bot#Slashdot joins #Microsoft #greenwashing propaganda in 'Linux' clothing http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151593#comment-29787 sickening and maddening. This is #corruption of the Linux brandMay 30 03:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Foundation Working for Microsoft and GitHub Now | Tux MachinesMay 30 03:46
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techrights-ipfs ▕  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▅▆▇▇▆▆▅▇▆▆▆▆▂▆▇▆▅▅▅▅▆▄▃▂▆▅▅▅▃▄▁ avg(k/sec) 29.56 ▕  IPFS upstream: ▂▂▂▂▃▃▂▃▂▂▂▂▃▁▃▂▃▂▃▁▂▃▂▁▂▁▁█▂▃▁▂▂▂▁▁ avg(k/sec) 21.63▕ swarm size (avg): 234.36  ⟲May 30 04:18
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techrights-ipfs ▕  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▆▄▇▅▆▃▄▃▆▅▅▆▆▅▅▆▅▃▅▆▆▇▅▅▁▆▃▆▄▅▇▃▄▁ avg(k/sec) 53.30 ▕  IPFS upstream: ▁▃▁▂▁▂▁▁▂█▄▁▂▂█▃▄▁▃▂▃▂▂█▂▁▂▄▂▁▂▁ avg(k/sec) 67.96▕ swarm size (avg): 234.41  ⟲May 30 05:17
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techrights-ipfs ▕  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▇▅▆▄▆▇▄▆▆▂▃▅▅▆▇▇▂▃▂▅▄▆▆▅▁▃▅▄▄▆▅▆▇▅▁ avg(k/sec) 25.40 ▕  IPFS upstream: ▃▃█▂▂▃▃▃█▃▃▁▂▂▂▁▂▁▂▂▁▂▂▂▃▇▁▃▁▁▂▂▃▂▃▁ avg(k/sec) 30.38▕ swarm size (avg): 234.46  ⟲May 30 06:17
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tessierWhat is that ipfs thing?May 30 07:15
techrights-ipfs ▕  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▆▆▆▇▅▃▄▃▂▆▅▆▆▂▄▆▆▁▆▅▆▇▅▅▄▇▇▆▄▆▁ avg(k/sec) 28.45 ▕  IPFS upstream: ▂▂▂▃▂▃█▃▂█▃▁▂▃▃█▁▂▂▂▃█▂▂▁▄▂▂▁▃▂▂▂▂▃▁ avg(k/sec) 26.88▕ swarm size (avg): 234.52  ⟲May 30 07:17
tessierIPFS has been around for 6 years and hasn't gotten much traction yet?May 30 07:34
tessierThe past few years of personal distractions have put me so far behind. :(May 30 07:35
techrights-bot#Techrights Bulletin for Saturday, May 29, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintextMay 30 07:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin ArchivesMay 30 07:41
techrights-bot#Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharingMay 30 07:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS IndexMay 30 07:41
schestowitztechrights-bot: it helps distribute site content in a p2p fashion, there are many nodes now, I think hundreds of thousandsMay 30 07:55
schestowitztessier: ^May 30 07:56
schestowitz__:-DMay 30 07:56
schestowitz__today I'll code some stuff to make the logging work rightMay 30 07:57
techrights-botGemini reverse proxy https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006592.html #nginx #geminiprotocol #internetMay 30 08:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | [tech] Gemini reverse proxyMay 30 08:00
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #uniToronto ☞ Less can filter what it shows to you (a thing I recently learned) https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/sysadmin/LessFilteringLinesMay 30 08:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-utcc.utoronto.ca | Chris's Wiki :: blog/sysadmin/LessFilteringLinesMay 30 08:01
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #MeshedInsights #Licensing ☞ Don’t Call It Relicensing! https://meshedinsights.com/2021/05/27/dont-call-it-relicensing/May 30 08:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meshedinsights.com | Don’t Call It Relicensing! | Meshed Insights LtdMay 30 08:02
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #TimesHigherEducation #OpenAccess ☞ Academics must become more engaged in the open access struggle https://www.timeshighereducation.com/blog/academics-must-become-more-engaged-open-access-struggleMay 30 08:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.timeshighereducation.com | Academics must become more engaged in the open access struggle | Times Higher Education (THE)May 30 08:02
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #FunctionalProgramming #Programming ☞ Patterns in Functional Programming https://patternsinfp.wordpress.com/2021/05/10/the-genuine-sieve-of-eratosthenes/May 30 08:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patternsinfp.wordpress.com | The Genuine Sieve of Eratosthenes | Patterns in Functional ProgrammingMay 30 08:03
techrights-botSimple ways to do a service discovery in Linux | FOSS Linux ⚓ https://www.fosslinux.com/46763/service-discovery-linux.htm ䷉ #fosslinux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/05/30/#latestMay 30 08:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosslinux.com | Simple ways to do a service discovery in Linux | FOSS LinuxMay 30 08:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media PostsMay 30 08:05
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #TheVerge ☞ US soldiers reportedly leaked nuclear info online accidentally, by using flashcard apps https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/29/22459869/us-soldiers-leaked-nuclear-info-online-flashcard-appsMay 30 08:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | US soldiers reportedly leaked nuclear info online accidentally, by using flashcard apps - The VergeMay 30 08:06
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #Vice ☞ U.S. Military Personnel Spilled Nuclear Secrets in Online Flashcards https://www.vice.com/en/article/v7ebmd/us-military-personnel-spilled-nuclear-secrets-in-online-flashcardsMay 30 08:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.vice.com | U.S. Military Personnel Spilled Nuclear Secrets in Online FlashcardsMay 30 08:06
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights ☞ #Nintendo Wins $2.1 Million Judgment Against Pirate Site Operator https://torrentfreak.com/nintendo-wins-2-1-million-judgment-against-pirate-site-operator-210529/May 30 08:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Nintendo Wins $2.1 Million Judgment Against Pirate Site Operator * TorrentFreakMay 30 08:07
techrights-bot#billgates has long bribed NPR. Now #microsoft does the same! "Editor's Note: Both Microsoft and Constant Contact are financial supporters of NPR." https://text.npr.org/1001367629 iophk: Microsoft is not an authority on secure design nor incidence responseMay 30 08:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-text.npr.org | What Microsoft Officials Know About Russia's Phishing Hack Targeting USAIDMay 30 08:16
techrights-ipfs ▕  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▇▆▅▄▅▆▅▆▅▅▂▅▆▃▄▆▅▇▃▁▆▅▅▄▅▆▆▆▄▆▅▇▁ avg(k/sec) 28.81 ▕  IPFS upstream: ▃▂▂▂▂▂▃▁▂█▂▂▃▃▃▂▃▂▅█▃▂▃▃▂▂▁▂▁▂▁▁▂▂▂▁ avg(k/sec) 33.01▕ swarm size (avg): 234.58  ⟲May 30 08:17
techrights-botAt least there's more honesty now about #microsoft bribing the media. And now just through ads. #npr = bought, compromised.May 30 08:17
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #KrebsOnSecurity #Security ☞ Using Fake Reviews to Find Dangerous Extensions https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/05/using-fake-reviews-to-find-dangerous-extensions/May 30 08:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-krebsonsecurity.com | Using Fake Reviews to Find Dangerous Extensions – Krebs on SecurityMay 30 08:18
techrights-bot#sweden 'sold' to tax evader #microsoft https://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=da&u=https://www.version2.dk/artikel/skat-forsvarer-brug-teams-paahviler-enkelte-medarbejder-at-behandle-oplysninger-sikkert?utm_medium=feed&utm_source=www.version2.dk see #epo also http://techrights.org/2021/03/22/epoleaks-report-march-2021-finale/May 30 08:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-translate.google.com | Google TranslateMay 30 08:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law — Summing Up: EPO Administrative Council Still Asleep at the Wheel | TechrightsMay 30 08:20
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #CNBC #Privacy #Surveillance ☞ #Tesla starts using cabin cameras to make sure drivers are paying attention https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/28/tesla-starts-using-cabin-cameras-for-driver-monitoring.htmlMay 30 08:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnbc.com | Tesla starts using cabin cameras for driver monitoringMay 30 08:23
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #DigitalMusicNews #Privacy #Surveillance ☞ Is #TikTok Safe for Kids? European Commission Investigating Violations of Child Protection Laws https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2021/05/28/tiktok-safe-for-kids-european-commission/May 30 08:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 520 @ https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2021/05/28/tiktok-safe-for-kids-european-commission/ )May 30 08:23
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #PrivacyInternational #Privacy #Surveillance ☞ In conversation with Edward @Snowden https://privacyinternational.org/video/4519/conversation-edward-snowdenMay 30 08:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-privacyinternational.org | In conversation with Edward Snowden | Privacy InternationalMay 30 08:24
techrights-bot#Google #Android Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151740 #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 30 08:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesMay 30 08:29
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schestowitz__this is the machine I use to see changes in IRC, will add the backup logger now (in case of reboots etc.)May 30 08:35
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schestowitz__the loggerMay 30 08:41
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techrights-bot● NEWS ● #NewYorkTimes #Energy ☞ A Big #Climate Problem With Few Easy Solutions: Planes https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/28/business/energy-environment/airlines-climate-planes-emissions.htmlMay 30 08:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Flying and Climate: Airlines Under Pressure to Cut Emissions - The New York TimesMay 30 08:42
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #TheVerge #Monopolies ☞ Why on Earth did #Amazon spend $8 billion on a zombie studio? https://www.theverge.com/22458734/amazon-mgm-8-billion-prime-video-streamingMay 30 09:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Amazon’s $8 billion bet on MGM won’t make Prime Video the new Netflix - The VergeMay 30 09:12
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #Inkl #Monopolies ☞ #Amazon had sales income of €44bn in Europe in 2020 but paid no corporation tax https://www.inkl.com/news/amazon-had-sales-income-of-44bn-in-europe-in-2020-but-paid-no-corporation-taxMay 30 09:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-inkl - Amazon had sales income of €44bn in Europe in 2020 but paid no corporation tax - The Guardian - UKMay 30 09:12
techrights-bot#richardStallman #RMS is giving a talk tomorrow. 8:00pm São Paulo, Brazil (BRT) https://stallman.org/live/ #gnu #fsf #freeswMay 30 09:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | Live de Segunda #80 - Uma conversa com Richard Stallman - May 31, 2021May 30 09:14
techrights-bot#manchesterCity #ChampionsLeague http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/Sixth-Wedding-Anniversary/Champions-LeagueMay 30 09:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Champions LeagueMay 30 09:17
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #DigitalMusicNews #Copyrights #Copyright ☞ Robert Plant Wants His Personal Archives Released for Free After His Death https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2021/05/27/robert-plant-personal-archives/May 30 09:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 520 @ https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2021/05/27/robert-plant-personal-archives/ )May 30 09:17
techrights-ipfs ▕  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▃▄▆▄▄▅▅▄▅▃▄▅▇▆▅▄▄▄▆▄▃▇▅▄▅▆▆▅▆▂▅▇▆▅▆▁ avg(k/sec) 24.20 ▕  IPFS upstream: ▁▂▁▂▂▂▁▁▂▁▁▂▂▃▁▂▂▁▁█▂▄▂▂▂▂▂▃▂█▂▂▂▃▂▁ avg(k/sec) 55.68▕ swarm size (avg): 234.62  ⟲May 30 09:17
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #TruthOut #patents #patent #monopolies ☞ The #WorldTradeOrganization Is Threatening Vaccine Equity and Climate Goals https://truthout.org/articles/the-world-trade-organization-is-threatening-vaccine-equity-and-climate-goals/May 30 09:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | The World Trade Organization Is Threatening Vaccine Equity and Climate GoalsMay 30 09:26
techrights-botUnregulated #Cryptocurrency Bubble Could Send the Economy Into a Tailspin https://truthout.org/articles/unregulated-cryptocurrency-bubble-could-send-the-economy-into-a-tailspin/ hahahaha! As if banks were ever truly regulated!!!!! And look how they keep crashing economies... for profits and bonusesMay 30 09:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Unregulated Cryptocurrency Bubble Could Send the Economy Into a TailspinMay 30 09:27
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schestowitz__rianne is also on the network nowMay 30 10:09
schestowitz__MinceR: now both networks log to the corresponding filesMay 30 10:15
schestowitzMinceR: ignore ( freenode test )May 30 10:16
schestowitz__/.xchat2/xchatlogs$ tail  -n 10  FreeNode-#techrights.log | grep MinceMay 30 10:16
schestowitz__May 30 10:15:09 <schestowitz__> MinceR: now both networks log to the corresponding filesMay 30 10:16
schestowitz__May 30 10:16:20 <schestowitz>   MinceR: ignore ( freenode test )May 30 10:16
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schestowitzMinceR: now there is dualityMay 30 10:25
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schestowitzbest of both worldsMay 30 10:25
schestowitzfreenode+self-hostedMay 30 10:25
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schestowitz+matrix bridgeMay 30 10:26
schestowitzthat wayMay 30 10:26
schestowitz+kiwi (irc) etc.May 30 10:26
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schestowitz__hi kingoffranceMay 30 10:33
kingoffranceo/May 30 10:33
schestowitz__I am doing tests todayMay 30 10:33
schestowitz__we got past the fusion barriersMay 30 10:33
schestowitz__now it's the case that no single network being offline would disrupt communicationsMay 30 10:34
kingoffranceyeah, if its bridged i might just away in here, but nice to have no single point of failureMay 30 10:36
kn\hiMay 30 10:39
kn\is there anything I can help withMay 30 10:39
schestowitz__this is also troll-freeMay 30 10:40
schestowitz__for now..May 30 10:40
schestowitz__the s/n ratio was not good in the main channelMay 30 10:40
schestowitzseems like IRC is maturing nowMay 30 10:41
schestowitzI hope that the work on bridging across network would progress, to improve decentralisationMay 30 10:43
schestowitzwould be a better IRC selling point then selling companies, "get off slack, go to this other private network instead"May 30 10:43
schestowitzthere must be hundreds of millions of users on those proprietary messaging systemsMay 30 10:44
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techrights-bot#freesw #dk #denmark https://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=da&u=https://www.version2.dk/blog/nyt-iso-9000-foss-projekter-1092693?utm_medium=feed&utm_source=www.version2.dkMay 30 10:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-translate.google.com | Google TranslateMay 30 10:57
techrights-bot#JURI / Committee on Legal Affairs https://multimedia.europarl.europa.eu/en/committee-on-legal-affairs_20210527-0900-COMMITTEE-JURI_vd?start=20210527082103&end=20210527092114 recent: http://techrights.org/2021/04/12/lying-to-juri/May 30 10:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-multimedia.europarl.europa.eu | Committee on Legal Affairs - Multimedia CentreMay 30 10:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO President Campinos Lying to JURI | TechrightsMay 30 10:58
techrights-bot"Bloomberg today released a report on how companies like #Apple, #Microsoft, #Amazon and #Google are working together to" kill the planet with pollution just to protect their revenues and screw the public at large, not just the planet https://gruene.social/@norbert/106317304902632073May 30 11:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Norbert Tretkowski: ""Bloomberg today released a report on how compani…" - gruene.socialMay 30 11:00
techrights-bot"Just published Google lawsuit evidence indicates that like always retained users' location data, even if disabled in user interface, to the extent that its own employees flashed LineageOS on their phones to avoid tracking." https://social.privacytools.io/@kravietz/106315132325241325May 30 11:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-social.privacytools.io | kravietz 🦇: "Just published Google lawsuit evidence indicates …" - Mastodon 🔐 privacytools.ioMay 30 11:01
techrights-bot"Today on Twitter Can’t Count: Twitter ended up following two more people for me. One of whom had no followers while I was apparently following them. These are the systems folks trust to filter reality for them, eh?" https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral/106319508069203805 http://techrights.org/2021/02/05/twitter-censorship-bingo/May 30 11:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.ar.al | Aral Balkan: "Today on Twitter Can’t Count: Twitter ended up fo…" - Aral’s MastodonMay 30 11:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Twitter Has Just Suspended the President of FFII for Naming Bill Gates Patent Profiteering and Factual Information About Twitter Censorship (Updated) | TechrightsMay 30 11:03
techrights-bot"First of all, your social media apps are not listening to you. This is a conspiracy theory. It's been debunked over and over again. But frankly they don't need to because everything else you give them unthinkingly is way cheaper and way more powerful." https://nitter.fdn.fr/RobertGReeve/status/1397038375840985089May 30 11:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.fdn.fr | Robert G. Reeve (@RobertGReeve): "So. They know my mom's toothpaste. They know I was at my mom's. They know my Twitter. Now I get Twitter ads for mom's toothpaste. Your data isn't just about you. It's about how it can be used against every person you know, and people you don't. To shape behavior unconsciously." | FDNitterMay 30 11:04
techrights-bot“Linux is about freedom. It’s about the little guy sticking it to the big guy.” Meanwhile, The Linux Foundation board of directors…https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral/106312430968741972 see http://techrights.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation LF is NOT freedom. Linux is NOT, either. http://techrights.org/2020/11/09/thomas-grzybowski-on-freesw/May 30 11:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.ar.al | Aral Balkan: "“Linux is about freedom. It’s about the little gu…" - Aral’s MastodonMay 30 11:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation - TechrightsMay 30 11:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Free Software Freedom is Not Linux | TechrightsMay 30 11:06
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techrights-botConfiguring #Vim as a Writing Tool - It's FOSS News ⚓ https://news.itsfoss.com/configuring-vim-writing/ ䷉ #news | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/05/30/#latestMay 30 11:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.itsfoss.com | Configuring Vim as a Writing Tool - It's FOSS NewsMay 30 11:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media PostsMay 30 11:11
techrights-bot#Bottles on #GNU #Linux to run Windows Applications- A GUI interface for Wine ⚓ https://www.how2shout.com/linux/bottles-on-linux-to-run-windows-applications-a-gui-interface-for-wine/ ䷉ #how2shout | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/05/30/#latestMay 30 11:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.how2shout.com | Bottles on Linux to run Windows Applications- A GUI interface for WineMay 30 11:15
techrights-ipfs ▕  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▅▆▃▇▅▅▆▃▃▄▂▆▆▆▇▇▆▆▄▅▅▁▁▅▅▃▄▆▅▆▆▇▄▁ avg(k/sec) 25.81 ▕  IPFS upstream: ▁▂▂▂▂▁▂▂▂▁▁▁▂▃▂▂▂▁▂▂▁▂▂▃█▇▂▂▁▂▃▁▂▂▁▁ avg(k/sec) 24.35▕ swarm size (avg): 234.66  ⟲May 30 11:17
techrights-bot"Realistically, the external members should be in a majority so that they can outvote the career-minded EPO employees." http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/05/breaking-oral-proceedings-in-g121-vico.html?showComment=1622315421458#c3346789824740258230 see http://techrights.org/2021/05/29/antonio-campinos-needs-to-step-down/May 30 11:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | BREAKING: Oral proceedings in G1/21 (ViCo) rescheduled due to procedural technicality - The IPKatMay 30 11:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | President of the Boards of Appeal and His ‘Handler’ António Campinos Need to Step Down to Save the EPO | TechrightsMay 30 11:18
techrights-bot"What is at stake in G 1/21 is no more than an EPO 2.0 which is not covered by the EPC as it stands! It is not merely whether you can sit comfortably in your UK office when there is an OP, but it is about a total reshaping of the EPO." I.e. it's about whether #epo can break ALL laws and GET AWAY with it. http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/05/breaking-oral-proceedings-in-g121-vico.html?showComment=1622317758784#c3045583May 30 11:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | BREAKING: Oral proceedings in G1/21 (ViCo) rescheduled due to procedural technicality - The IPKatMay 30 11:19
techrights-bot𝕋𝕖𝕔𝕙𝕣𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕤 #IRC Proceedings: Saturday, May 29, 2021 • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/05/30/irc-log-290521/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/05/30/irc-log-290521/May 30 11:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Saturday, May 29, 2021 | TechrightsMay 30 11:21
techrights-botToday’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151741 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 30 11:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesMay 30 11:22
techrights-botToday's project: we consider making a multi-machine (several locations worldwide) gemini capsule, where one DNS entry branches off to several entries, with instances or mirrors well distributed for resilience (HA), as it might make #techrights the world's first clustered gemini capsule, not just the biggest oneMay 30 11:36
techrights-bot...We've moreover engineered #techrights IRC to avoid "single point of failure"; if one network has downtime we're still live and partly self-hosted. Just partly. #IRC deserves mass appeal; we need to replace crap like Slack, M'Sloth Teams, and other #surveillanceCapitalism bloat/IRC copycats.May 30 11:38
techrights-botWhen it comes to videos/audio (multimedia in general) #techrights has been self-hosting since 2006, so we never lost anything. Nothing got censored, either. http://techrights.org/videos.htmlMay 30 11:40
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techrights-bot#EPO nets BILLIONS of euros and cannot even afford to hire a couple of engineers to build/maintain its infra for ~7000 workers? To the point of outsourcing everything to a foreign country and to #Microsoft h How many bribes were received and who pocketed those? #kickbacks #corruption #gdpr http://techrights.org/2021/03/22/epoleaks-report-march-2021-finale/May 30 11:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law — Summing Up: EPO Administrative Council Still Asleep at the Wheel | TechrightsMay 30 11:41
techrights-bot"By giving the majority in the EBA to external members, some people, names need not be given, would loose control of the EBA/BA as the external members most probably do not care about not being re-appointed." #epo #corruption #injustice #kangaroocourts http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/05/breaking-oral-proceedings-in-g121-vico.html?showComment=1622365768648#c6470883968457747269May 30 11:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | BREAKING: Oral proceedings in G1/21 (ViCo) rescheduled due to procedural technicality - The IPKatMay 30 11:47
techrights-botCult members would quque up for a week! https://www.phonearena.com/news/Mysterious-Apple-Ring-patent-appears_id130671 #apple #patents #cult #NotSatire #ButFunnyMay 30 11:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mysterious Apple Ring patent appears - PhoneArenaMay 30 11:49
techrights-botCult members would queue up for a week! https://www.phonearena.com/news/Mysterious-Apple-Ring-patent-appears_id130671 #apple #patents #cult #NotSatire #ButFunnyMay 30 11:49
techrights-bot"When one sees the number of patents revoked or severely limited in opposition because the grant procedure is flawed, it becomes alarming. Just look at the published decisions and draw your conclusions. As only 5% of patents are opposed, when you extrapolate to all the grants it is daunting!" #epo #fakepatents http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/05/breaking-oral-proceedings-in-g121-vico.html?showComment=1622365768648#c6May 30 11:50
techrights-bot"It is a scandal that members of the BA can only be reappointed if they have shown a given "performance". The criteria are still non-public.This is also scandalous!" http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/05/breaking-oral-proceedings-in-g121-vico.html?showComment=1622365768648#c6470883968457747269 see http://techrights.org/2021/05/26/outline-g121-and-beyond/May 30 11:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Outline of Recent EPO Series: Kangaroo Courts, German Government Complicity, and Gross Privacy Violations by Unaccountable Officials | TechrightsMay 30 11:52
techrights-botWhat a ripoff! You'd be better off assembling an array of low-cost and low-powered machines, pertinent units connected for maybe a tenth the cost. https://www.kotaku.com.au/2021/05/you-are-nothing-compared-to-this-30000-goliath-pc/May 30 11:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.kotaku.com.au | You Are Nothing Compared To This $30,000 PCMay 30 11:58
techrights-botNo! #SUSE is NOT "free software distributor" but a #proprietarysoftware reseller that uses its platform for #openwashing of things https://techhq.com/2021/04/suse-the-free-software-distributor-worth-e7bn/ see for example http://techrights.org/2020/08/05/suse-is-still-helping-microsoft/May 30 11:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Meet the free software distributor that is worth €7bn - TechHQMay 30 11:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | SUSE is Still Pushing Microsoft Proprietary Software and Bragging About the Novell Patent Collusion With Microsoft | TechrightsMay 30 11:59
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techrights-botAlleged #HarmonyOS update list reveals first batch of #Huawei devices migrating to the platform http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151611#comment-29788May 30 12:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | HarmonyOS is now been confirmed to launch in early June | Tux MachinesMay 30 12:04
techrights-bot#ProprietarySoftware #microsoft #windows #ransom #insecureByDesign https://www.tacomadailyindex.com/blog/ransomware-and-hacking/2450314/May 30 12:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tacomadailyindex.com | Ransomware and hacking | Tacoma Daily IndexMay 30 12:05
techrights-bot#HeyHi #censorship #facebook https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/05/28/facebook-palestinian-censorship/May 30 12:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com | Palestinian groups decry glitches by social media companies/claim long history of censorship by social media companies - The Washington PostMay 30 12:07
techrights-botIn 2021 "HEY HI" just means "computer" or "program" or something with 'logic' in it https://www.fastcompany.com/90641049/google-education-classroom-aiMay 30 12:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fastcompany.com | Google's AI plans make its education dominance more alarmingMay 30 12:08
techrights-bot#BetaNews got the #IRC story all wrong, as usual. Clickbait instead of information.May 30 12:09
techrights-botAmazing if #google can get VOLUNTEERS to be unpaid testers for #ProprietarySoftware that spies on people and helps Google monopolise the Web... https://www.androidpolice.com/2021/05/28/chrome-labs-makes-it-easy-to-try-out-upcoming-browser-features/May 30 12:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidpolice.com | Chrome Labs makes it easy to try out upcoming browser featuresMay 30 12:11
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alextee[m]https://www.notebookcheck.net/Fancy-the-2021-M1-iPad-Pro-with-8-GB-or-16-GB-RAM-Current-iPadOS-limits-potential-by-allowing-just-5-GB-memory-for-third-party-apps.541367.0.htmlMay 30 12:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fancy the 2021 M1 iPad Pro with 8 GB or 16 GB RAM? Current iPadOS limits potential by allowing just 5 GB memory for third-party apps - NotebookCheck.net NewsMay 30 12:13
techrights-botOutsourcing to #microsoft #ProprietarySoftware and to #NSA PRISM. Yay. Let THAT inspire confidence :-) https://www.techradar.com/in/news/have-i-been-pwned-is-now-open-sourceMay 30 12:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Have I Been Pwned is now open source | TechRadarMay 30 12:13
schestowitzalextee[m]: lolMay 30 12:14
schestowitzbloatfestMay 30 12:14
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schestowitzmy gemini browsers are like 2 MB of RAMMay 30 12:14
schestowitzIRC maybe 8MBMay 30 12:15
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alextee[m]audio/video editing apps may actually need more than 5GB if you're doing anything seriousMay 30 12:15
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alextee[m]not sure if anyone expects to do serious work on iPad thoughMay 30 12:15
schestowitzexactlyMay 30 12:15
schestowitzvideo processing is usually the caveatMay 30 12:15
schestowitzbut few who buy those things will process 50,000 framesMay 30 12:16
schestowitzsome will just browser a web site and sent emailMay 30 12:16
alextee[m]I can see 5GB getting filled by the browser lolMay 30 12:16
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schestowitzbecause of the second tab of Slack or somethingMay 30 12:17
schestowitz"did you say 5MB of RAM?"May 30 12:17
schestowitz"no I said GB"May 30 12:17
alextee[m]yeah any javascript in-browser app basicallyMay 30 12:17
schestowitzOK, chat takes 22mb at the momentMay 30 12:18
schestowitzon 10+ channelsMay 30 12:18
schestowitzand long long scrollbackMay 30 12:18
schestowitzwe need to push simple and lightMay 30 12:18
schestowitzno "home-phoning"May 30 12:18
schestowitzbut the question is, how can we explain that without the multi-billion marketing budgets?May 30 12:19
*alextee[m] uploaded an image: (254KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/YNbsbkZaJZpqnYWvbqwwJptS/Screenshot%20from%202021-05-30%2012-18-55.png >May 30 12:19
schestowitzthat are derived from selling people's minds, mining their dataMay 30 12:19
alextee[m]not sure how to read thisMay 30 12:19
schestowitzseems like child processes, alextee[m]May 30 12:19
schestowitzput it in tree modeMay 30 12:20
alextee[m]oooooh this is neat!!May 30 12:20
XRevan86alextee[m]: Seems like ye got FissionMay 30 12:20
schestowitzpstreeMay 30 12:20
schestowitzor:  # ps -aef --forestMay 30 12:21
schestowitzroy      18483 18482  0 May15 ?        00:08:15  \_ konsole --fullscreen -e /home/roy/menu.sh May 30 12:21
alextee[m]nice, TILMay 30 12:21
schestowitzroy      18487 18483  0 May15 pts/18   00:00:00      \_ /bin/bash /home/roy/menu.shMay 30 12:21
schestowitzroy      18494 18487  1 May15 pts/18   03:55:52          \_ konqueror https://joindiaspora.com/mentionsMay 30 12:21
schestowitzroy      18512 18494  0 May15 pts/18   00:00:00              \_ /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/libexec/QtWebEngineProcess --type=zygote --lang=en-GBMay 30 12:21
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schestowitzroy      18574 18512  5 May15 pts/18   21:47:01                  \_ /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/libexec/QtWebEngineProcess --type=renderer --disable-gpu-memory-buffer-video-framMay 30 12:21
schestowitzto gibe an exampleMay 30 12:21
schestowitz*giveMay 30 12:21
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schestowitzdifferent processes, but all tied togetherMay 30 12:22
XRevan86alextee[m]: https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2021/05/18/introducing-site-isolation-in-firefox/May 30 12:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Introducing Site Isolation in Firefox - Mozilla Security BlogMay 30 12:22
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alextee[m]XRevan86: that sounds really good, separating the processesMay 30 12:23
alextee[m]are there any drawbacks to using fission? XRevan86 May 30 12:24
XRevan86alextee[m]: memory overhead, as usualMay 30 12:24
techrights-botOutsourced to #Microsoft #monopoly that is #proprietarysoftware cage (in effect) https://venturebeat.com/2021/05/28/password-breach-service-have-i-been-pwned-goes-open-source/May 30 12:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Password breach service Have I Been Pwned goes open source | VentureBeatMay 30 12:24
techrights-bot"This list will mostly include common software that Github hosts. It may or may not be possible or desirable to boycott all projects that continue to develop and host with Github-- this list is for people who want to take Microsoft's control of repos into consideration when choosing what software to rely on." http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Delete_GithubMay 30 12:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Delete Github - TechrightsMay 30 12:26
alextee[m]i personally just keep mirrors on github and redirect people outside to report bugs or send patchesMay 30 12:27
alextee[m]some people use the github sponsors thing so that's another incentive to keep it for meMay 30 12:27
techrights-bot#Certbot also needs to #deletegithub ... it's NOT suitable hosting for #privacy and #security projects because #microsoft = NSA PRISM and more (worse programs not leaked yet) https://www.eff.org/pages/certbotMay 30 12:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | Certbot | Electronic Frontier FoundationMay 30 12:27
techrights-botWhat next in the tussle between government and #socialcontrolmedia firms? https://thefederal.com/opinion/what-next-in-the-tussle-between-government-and-digital-media-firms/ And why the very freedom of expression in India is at stakeMay 30 12:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thefederal.com | What next in the tussle between government and social media firms? - The FederalMay 30 12:30
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techrights-bot'Facebook recently adopted a new controversial privacy policy for WhatsApp. Under it, the country would not track the personal messages of WhatsApp users, but would track the messages on commercial transactions and use the collected personal data for advertisement purposes." https://thefederal.com/opinion/what-next-in-the-tussle-between-government-and-digital-media-firms/May 30 12:36
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techrights-bot#Facebook battles reputation crisis in the #MiddleEast ⚓ https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/facebook-battles-reputation-crisis-middle-east-n1269026 ䷉ #nbcnews #zuckerPAC | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/05/30/#latestMay 30 12:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nbcnews.com | Facebook battles reputation crisis in the Middle EastMay 30 12:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media PostsMay 30 12:37
schestowitzdifferent processes, but all tied together[12:27] <alextee[m]> some people use the github sponsors thing so that's another incentive to keep it for meMay 30 12:40
schestowitzMicrosoft as a bankMay 30 12:40
schestowitzand financial gatekeeper over Free softwareMay 30 12:40
schestowitzto me, collectively it's a riskMay 30 12:40
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schestowitzwe are letting them get their way: http://techrights.org/2020/06/15/confessions-of-scott-guthrie/May 30 12:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Story About Microsoft’s Plan for GitHub Says a Lot About the Motivations and the Lies Told to Us for Over Half a Decade | TechrightsMay 30 12:40
schestowitzthey try to control their competitionMay 30 12:40
schestowitzfrankly, I think they fell behindMay 30 12:41
schestowitzlike with Skype and LinkedInMay 30 12:41
schestowitzmost people went elsewhereMay 30 12:41
schestowitzsome stayed...for a whileMay 30 12:41
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2021/01/24/fleeing-github/May 30 12:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft: The Year After We Bought GitHub There Was a Significant Decline in Number of New Projects on GitHub | TechrightsMay 30 12:41
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techrights-botThis could be the most powerful #GNU #Linux laptop yet http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151387#comment-29789 #de #germanyMay 30 12:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | TUXEDO’s Latest Linux Laptop is All About the Screen | Tux MachinesMay 30 12:44
techrights-botTrolls as tyrants. And media even entertains their obvious TROLLING. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-belarus-politics-email-idUSKCN2D81HNMay 30 12:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bomb threat cited by Belarus was sent after plane was diverted - Swiss email provider | ReutersMay 30 12:46
alextee[m]<schestowitz "to me, collectively it's a risk"> I'm not naive enough to have it as an only/main donation option but yeah a lot of people use it as their main donation source and that's just giving up more control to microsoftMay 30 12:48
techrights-bot#microsoft is not compatible with the #law either. It needs to go bankrupt https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/were-just-not-compatible-any-more-why-microsoft-finally-dumped-internet-explorer-9664771.html see http://techrights.org/2021/03/17/epoleaks-report-march-2021-part-12/May 30 12:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-We’re just not compatible any more: why Microsoft finally dumped Internet Explorer- Technology News, FirstpostMay 30 12:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law — Part XII: Foreign Corrupt Practices, Bid Rigging and “Slush Funds” | TechrightsMay 30 12:48
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techrights-bot#Fuchsia is just OSPS like Chrom* and we need to mostly shun it. It's not for us, it's just for #google #monopoly https://www.infoq.com/news/2021/05/google-fuchsia-net-hub/May 30 12:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.infoq.com | Google Fuchsia Debuts on the Google Nest HubMay 30 12:51
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techrights-botI see some 'articles' with totally fabricated (make believe!) history and revisionist nonsense about #microsoft but I suppose it should be expected in the era of #corruptMedia (PR in 'news' clothing, for a fee)May 30 12:53
techrights-botOUCH OUCH OUCH! Birmingham University calls a college after "Thomas J. Watson" https://www.binghamton.edu/news/story/3082/computer-science-department-celebrates-research-new-faculty-for-2020-21 don't pay tribute to Nazis: http://techrights.org/2021/04/25/ibm-germany-history/May 30 12:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.binghamton.edu | Computer Science Department celebrates research, new faculty for 2020-21 | Binghamton NewsMay 30 12:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Documentary: IBM Founder (Watson) Gave a Nazi Salute, Admired Hitler, Said Hitler Was Doing the Right Thing | TechrightsMay 30 12:57
saint_dogbertHonestly, anyone thats studied the events leading up to WW2 isn't surprised by that... many companies supported Germany. Some even played both sides against the middle and laughed all the way to the bank May 30 13:00
techrights-botSignificant Progress in Testing of ‘Fully Decentralized’ IOTA Announced https://beincrypto.com/progress-in-fully-decentralized-iota-announced/May 30 13:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Significant Progress in Testing of 'Fully Decentralized' IOTA Announced - BeInCryptoMay 30 13:01
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techrights-bot"The Central IP Service of the European Commission has published a vacancy for a "Legal officer - Intellectual Property"" (basically a misleading propaganda term) http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/05/sunday-surprises_30.html #EuropeanCommission on #patents : http://techrights.org/2020/12/01/the-breton-coverup/May 30 13:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Sunday Surprises - The IPKatMay 30 13:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | European Commission’s Thierry Breton Covers Up EPO Corruption For His Friend Benoît Battistelli | TechrightsMay 30 13:04
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techrights-bot#Patents Accessibility Review identifies barriers to small inventors https://www.industry.gov.au/news/patents-accessibility-review-identifies-barriers-to-small-inventors the system needs to be overhauled, redoneMay 30 13:05
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techrights-botTime traveller Cory @Doctorow sends his wishes from utopian 2041! https://fsfe.org/news/2021/news-20210529-01.en.htmlMay 30 13:08
techrights-bot#deletegithub though; NSA and #microsoft do NOT inspire TRUST https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Patatt-AttestationMay 30 13:10
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techrights-botPlant told his co-host Matt Everitt that the lockdown gave him time to “put his house in order.” https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2021/05/27/robert-plant-personal-archives/May 30 13:14
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techrights-botWhen the #linuxfoundation (LF) promotes #microsoft #proprietarySoftware , as it nowadays does, it's really hurtful to those of us who encouraged people to use "LINUX" (and used that word) and moreover it harms the advocacy of ours that explained how Microsoft attacks us. LF now takes Microsoft bribes to INVERT the truth.May 30 13:17
techrights-botWhat #microsoft did to #netscape ... before what Microsoft did to #corruptMedia ... in effect bribing it to relay a totally fictional, BOGUS versions of history about this http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php?title=Petition_text_-_overviewMay 30 13:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Petition text - overview - TechrightsMay 30 13:19
saint_dogbertI won't be donating to the Linux foundation again. May 30 13:27
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schestowitzsaint_dogbert: did you ever?May 30 13:30
schestowitzthey scam peopleMay 30 13:30
schestowitzthey say it goes to diversity programMay 30 13:30
schestowitz a lady reader of ours investigatedMay 30 13:30
schestowitzher findings: http://techrights.org/2019/03/26/lf-define-support/May 30 13:30
saint_dogbertWhen it first started up, yeah. I thought it was a worthwhile thing. But when they allowed MS on the board, I stopped. May 30 13:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Guest Post: The Linux Foundation Needs to Define “Support” | TechrightsMay 30 13:30
schestowitzonly in 2016?May 30 13:31
schestowitzThey showed creaks and rot even prior to itMay 30 13:31
schestowitz2007 onwards: http://techrights.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation_ArchivesMay 30 13:31
schestowitz2019 onwards: http://techrights.org/wiki/Linux_FoundationMay 30 13:31
schestowitzwe are under attack bebecause we win overMay 30 13:32
schestowitzthat will intensify as more freesw takes over all infraMay 30 13:32
schestowitzand then they try to monopolise itMay 30 13:32
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phobosBoy did that sure change when Hillary ran for president. May 30 13:32
schestowitzthey already put torvalds in heir small pocketMay 30 13:32
schestowitzflexed their muscles at himMay 30 13:33
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2020/06/06/sexism-misrepresentation/May 30 13:33
phobosDoesn't surprise me now. Back then, it would have been a shock May 30 13:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation Archives - TechrightsMay 30 13:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation - TechrightsMay 30 13:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | They Tell Us Linus Torvalds is Sexist But Evidence Suggests Otherwise | TechrightsMay 30 13:33
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2020/09/03/linus-debconf-linusgate/May 30 13:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | ‘Linusgate’ Leaked: Over 250 Messages About Code of Conduct Complaints Against Linus Torvalds | TechrightsMay 30 13:33
schestowitzthey get peopke riles up against good peopleMay 30 13:34
phobosJust like the media did against Trump? May 30 13:34
schestowitzby interjecting what's known as "identity politics"May 30 13:34
schestowitzsuperficial tribalismMay 30 13:34
schestowitzthe British did that tooMay 30 13:34
schestowitzsectarian warsMay 30 13:34
phobosAnd the Russians May 30 13:34
schestowitzTrump is a shit personMay 30 13:34
schestowitzhe always wasMay 30 13:35
phobosand Mao during the 'awakening' back in the 60sMay 30 13:35
schestowitzthe media took advantage of thatMay 30 13:35
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phobosNot to defend Trump, but the Clintons weren't any better, yet all the media did was clam up about them May 30 13:35
schestowitzClinton is also shitMay 30 13:36
schestowitzboth of themMay 30 13:36
phobos:DMay 30 13:36
alextee[m]the trump tweets were fun thoughMay 30 13:36
alextee[m]I miss himMay 30 13:36
schestowitz[11:09] <techrights-bot> ● NEWS ● #CommonDreams ☞ Rights Groups Warn #Biden Fast-Tracking Asylum Cases Could Endanger Families https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/05/29/rights-groups-warn-biden-fast-tracking-asylum-cases-could-endanger-families Biden is only good RELATIVE TO TRUMPMay 30 13:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Rights Groups Warn Biden Fast-Tracking Asylum Cases Could Endanger Families | Common Dreams NewsMay 30 13:36
GNUmoonCode of Conduct = Code of ControlMay 30 13:37
phobospretty much May 30 13:37
schestowitzglimpse was a misguided forkMay 30 13:37
schestowitzi said right from the start it would die as there was no justification for itMay 30 13:37
schestowitzno stewardship issueMay 30 13:37
alextee[m]they just didnt like the name gimp iircMay 30 13:37
schestowitzbobby moss is an online 'mate' of mineMay 30 13:37
schestowitzbut GIMP is a VERY descriptive acronym, not an insultMay 30 13:37
alextee[m]yeah but everything is offensive these daysyMay 30 13:38
alextee[m]days*May 30 13:38
schestowitzit also predates the movie iircMay 30 13:38
schestowitzpulp fictionsMay 30 13:38
schestowitzpulp fictionMay 30 13:38
schestowitzI probbalty 'violated' many CoCsMay 30 13:38
schestowitzfor things like pointing out abuse and corruption  by XMay 30 13:38
schestowitzTorvalds blasted the FSFMay 30 13:38
schestowitzcalled them "radicals"May 30 13:39
schestowitzthat's CoC violation, apparentlyMay 30 13:39
schestowitzI don't think FSF is radicalMay 30 13:39
schestowitzbut I defend his right to say they areMay 30 13:39
phobosThere is a simpler term to describe them; puppetsMay 30 13:39
schestowitzand you can open a debate about thatMay 30 13:39
phobosschestowitz, did you find an answer on who hosts freenode.net ?May 30 13:40
phobosI ran into a brick wall with every last 'friend' I had in staff on that topic May 30 13:40
schestowitzBTW, Linus's dad is a leftistMay 30 13:41
schestowitzwhat some would call "commie"May 30 13:41
schestowitzi never saw evidence of Torvalds being racist or sexistMay 30 13:41
schestowitztrying to 'cancel' him should be a warning sign to manyMay 30 13:41
schestowitzit's not even a wing thingMay 30 13:41
schestowitzphobos: could not find out what hosts itMay 30 13:42
schestowitztried to bypass clownflare, to no avail...May 30 13:42
schestowitzthey route every requestMay 30 13:42
phobossomething that many of us already know just from watching sites like townhall; they eat their own May 30 13:42
phobosI got answers ranging from 'I don't rememberMay 30 13:42
phobos to 'only the owner knows thatMay 30 13:42
phobos'May 30 13:42
phobossilence, so on so forthMay 30 13:43
phobosboth with current and formers network staffers May 30 13:43
phobosits almost like its under NDA on who hosts the site or they know its someone that would cause an uproar overMay 30 13:43
techrights-bot#billBC rebrands "variant" as "hybrid". No buzzwords left to sell more doses for their owners, and #BBC 'sponsors' (bribes) including #billgates h Let's explain in factual terms what's happening, let's not turn media into salespeople for #patent licences.May 30 13:45
phobosschestowitz: I'm starting to think it is hosted by Microsoft through one of its shell companies May 30 13:46
techrights-botToday’s 𝐓𝐮𝐱 𝐌𝐚𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐞𝐬 Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151744 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 30 13:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux MachinesMay 30 13:46
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alextee[m]wait until you see the "double mutant"May 30 13:46
techrights-bot#Kernel : Patatt, Coreboot, Bootlin, and Latest Linux 5.14 Changes • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151743 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 30 13:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kernel: Patatt, Coreboot, Bootlin, and Latest Linux 5.14 Changes | Tux MachinesMay 30 13:47
techrights-bot#Programming Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151742 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 30 13:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux MachinesMay 30 13:47
techrights-botLinks 30/5/2021: #Kaidan 0.8 and Linux 5.14 Work • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/05/30/kaidan-0-8/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/05/30/kaidan-0-8/May 30 13:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 30/5/2021: Kaidan 0.8 and Linux 5.14 Work | TechrightsMay 30 13:49
schestowitzalextee[m]: https://stallmansupport.org/updates.htmlMay 30 13:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallmansupport.org | In Support of Richard Stallman - UpdatesMay 30 13:51
schestowitzWhy? Many reasonsMay 30 13:51
schestowitzhttps://stallman.org/May 30 13:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | Richard Stallman's Personal PageMay 30 13:51
schestowitz"Don't watch TV coverage of Covid-19!"May 30 13:51
schestowitzhttps://stallman.org/May 30 13:52
schestowitz-> https://stallman.org/articles/dont-watch-covid-tv.htmlMay 30 13:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | Don’t watch TV coverage of Covid-19!May 30 13:52
schestowitz"May 30 13:52
schestowitz Don't watch TV coverage of Covid-19! (Or "social media"; the details are different.) Watching repetitive coverage of something frightening can interfere with clear thinking, even traumatize people.May 30 13:52
schestowitzTV news coverage of a crisis struggles to fill 24 hours a day with "information", notwithstanding the fact that the actual flow of new information about the crisis is nowhere near sufficient to fill that time. What do they do? They repeat. They present tangential and minor details. They make the same points in different ways. They belabor the obvious. They repeat.May 30 13:52
schestowitzIf your goal is to be informed, you don't need to dwell on the crisis for hours every day. Not even one hour a day. Getting your news in this inefficient matter will waste a lot of time — and worse.May 30 13:52
schestowitz"May 30 13:52
schestowitzanyway, we stay home nowMay 30 13:52
alextee[m]heh yeah I remember reading that on his siteMay 30 13:52
schestowitzproblem mostly solvedMay 30 13:52
schestowitzuntil they figure out what they wantMay 30 13:52
schestowitzBTW, RMS got vaccinated and encourages others to do toolMay 30 13:53
schestowitz*tooMay 30 13:53
schestowitzbut...May 30 13:53
alextee[m]honestly it's not too bad in the UK if you're  freelancer, but I'd imagine the whole thing is a disaster for small companiesMay 30 13:53
schestowitz Don't watch TV coverage of Covid-19! (Or "social media"; the details are different.) Watching repetitive coverage of something frightening can interfere with clear thinking, even traumatize people.May 30 13:53
schestowitzTV news coverage of a crisis struggles to fill 24 hours a day with "information", notwithstanding the fact that the actual flow of new information about the crisis is nowhere near sufficient to fill that time. What do they do? They repeat. They present tangential and minor details. They make the same points in different ways. They belabor the obvious. They repeat.May 30 13:53
schestowitzIf your goal is to be informed, you don't need to dwell on the crisis for hours every day. Not even one hour a day. Getting your news in this inefficient matter will waste a lot of time — and worse.May 30 13:53
schestowitzsorry, wrong pasteMay 30 13:53
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2020/06/04/tired-of-rms-winning/May 30 13:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Red Hat/IBM Got ‘Tired’ of RMS. Is It Getting ‘Tired’ of GPL/Copyleft Too? | TechrightsMay 30 13:53
schestowitzIBM has a lot to fear thereMay 30 13:53
schestowitzRMS is not compatible with many lucrative IBM contracts with govts.May 30 13:53
schestowitzI know whose side I take, and it's not IBM'sMay 30 13:53
schestowitzI'm going to do some articles and videos nowMay 30 13:54
alextee[m]no idea why rms would support an experimental vaccine given emergency authorization where a company known for  alot of shady stuff in the past has no liability if something happens to youMay 30 13:56
alextee[m]the whole thing looks sketchy, but that's offtopic I guessMay 30 13:57
psydroidLots of government contracts to update its infrastructure that IBM is involved in also tend to fail. It's as if the company is still in some ways untouchable, although it is debatable whether that was ever a good thing and whether that still is the case nowMay 30 13:58
techrights-botFTR(ecord): Late on 22-May-2021 #bt sent a patch, remotely, without warning or consent, to our hub. It fixed, 33 days late(r), a very severe bug that their last update introduced, breaking the LAN! It almost made me dump it for #openwrt http://techrights.org/2021/04/18/firmware-ruins-whole-day/May 30 13:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Proprietary Software (BT Hub) Has Ruined My Whole Day | TechrightsMay 30 13:58
schestowitzalextee[m]: it's kind of OTMay 30 13:58
schestowitzgiven how divisive this issue isMay 30 13:58
schestowitzCOVID-19 is a problemMay 30 13:58
schestowitzfor now, we stay homeMay 30 13:59
schestowitzwe need more clarityMay 30 13:59
schestowitzwe are not even sure which jab is bestMay 30 13:59
schestowitzhere they administer AZ to almost everyoneMay 30 13:59
schestowitzhttp://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/04/21/astrazeneca-experiences/May 30 13:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » Message of Concern About AstraZeneca (Which Now Renames Its Products to Dodge Bad Reputation)May 30 13:59
schestowitzIt messed up with my best friend's bodyMay 30 13:59
schestowitzhe even came here to IRC to inquire about itMay 30 13:59
alextee[m]I've seen a lot of stories about side effects (and death)May 30 13:59
schestowitzCOVID-19 also killsMay 30 14:00
schestowitzbut anywayMay 30 14:00
schestowitzlet's get back on techMay 30 14:00
psydroidHere in the Netherlands there are still companies with narrow ties to Microsoft that get awarded government contracts, even if it is not certain if their work is any good at all in the process excluding many companies that might do an even better job outside of the Microsoft bubbleMay 30 14:00
schestowitzfor not we avoid human contactMay 30 14:00
schestowitz*nowMay 30 14:00
schestowitzpsydroid: many 'legacy' contractsMay 30 14:00
schestowitzconnections, ex staff, marketing staff pushing to renewMay 30 14:01
schestowitzpsydroid: read http://techrights.org/2021/03/17/epoleaks-report-march-2021-part-12/May 30 14:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law — Part XII: Foreign Corrupt Practices, Bid Rigging and “Slush Funds” | TechrightsMay 30 14:01
schestowitzit's a goo summaryMay 30 14:01
schestowitzbefore we published it we nearly got deplatformedMay 30 14:02
psydroidI will, thanksMay 30 14:02
schestowitzafter that we used e2ee... just in caseMay 30 14:02
schestowitzthat's just how the world works, Microsoft learned from IBMMay 30 14:02
schestowitzFUD and bribesMay 30 14:02
schestowitzExamples of IBM bribery here: http://techrights.org/2020/10/04/more-ibm-history/May 30 14:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Journey Back in History: Misconduct or Disorderly Conduct (Stuffing Money Down the Fronts of Stewardesses’ Blouses, According to Witness Account) by Arthur Watson of IBM (Founder’s Son and Former IBM Chief), Followed by Watson’s Admission and Resignation | TechrightsMay 30 14:03
schestowitzbbl need to write thingsMay 30 14:06
schestowitzbeen a hectic weekendMay 30 14:06
schestowitzat least we established some improved IRC autonomy and we now work on making gemini decentralisedMay 30 14:06
schestowitzthat might in fact be the subject of an upcoming video, pending further researchMay 30 14:07
schestowitzas it's better to write about it after it's all doneMay 30 14:07
schestowitzwe would be (afaik) the first multi-site gemini capsuleMay 30 14:07
schestowitz140,000 page requests so far this month: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/stats/index.gmiMay 30 14:08
schestowitzand growing each monthMay 30 14:08
psydroidyes, that would make senseMay 30 14:12
schestowitzwe used to have australian mirrorMay 30 14:13
schestowitzin tansmaniaMay 30 14:13
schestowitzon a banana piMay 30 14:13
schestowitzI configured itMay 30 14:13
phoboshttps://www.zdnet.com/article/90-of-millennials-gen-z-do-not-want-to-return-to-full-time-office-work-post-pandemic-report/May 30 14:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-90% of millennials and Gen-Z do not want to return to full-time office work post-pandemic | ZDNetMay 30 14:14
schestowitzbased on?May 30 14:36
schestowitzzdnet partners?May 30 14:36
schestowitzit's a marketing companyMay 30 14:36
schestowitz90% sounds dubiousMay 30 14:36
schestowitzmaybe some corporate-led 'survey'May 30 14:36
schestowitzanyway, zdnet isn't a news site anymore. It was never great, but now it's mile worse.May 30 14:37
schestowitzSince CBS collapsed (Dec. 2019)May 30 14:37
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/ZDNetMay 30 14:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | ZDNet - TechrightsMay 30 14:38
schestowitzZDNet is the "playboy" of "tehc" [sic]May 30 14:38
schestowitzin fact, I guarantee you this so-called 'article' is based 100% on market-led 'research' that is in fact a very minuscule survey (selef-selective people) in one single country of interest, made in order for some boardroom to justify some decision for an outomceMay 30 14:41
schestowitzZDNet chimes in, for a free, to help that boardroomMay 30 14:42
schestowitz*freMay 30 14:42
schestowitz*feeMay 30 14:42
schestowitzthat's "business"May 30 14:42
schestowitz"professional journalism"May 30 14:42
kingoffranceyeah, true or not, seems like self-perpetuatingMay 30 14:53
MinceRschestowitz: niceMay 30 14:53
MinceRAriadne: does the ircd need to be restarted or something to make the cloaking work?May 30 14:54
kingoffrancenot saying that is good or bad in this case, but someone wants it known it is normal, and then people can point at it "see, its the new normal" etc.May 30 14:54
kingoffrance*self-fulfillingMay 30 14:54
Ariadneno i need to just enable itMay 30 14:54
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Ariadnei just woke up about 30 minutes agoMay 30 14:54
MinceRah, never mind thenMay 30 14:56
schestowitzwhy have face-to-face conversation?May 30 15:03
schestowitzthey cannot be MONETISEDMay 30 15:04
MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/8tz8faQ.pngMay 30 15:19
schestowitzlet me guess where this was madeMay 30 15:24
schestowitzboth the item and the packagingMay 30 15:24
techrights-botWe have just published a transcript of #RichardStallman on how #patents work • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/05/28/rms-swpats-talk/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/05/28/rms-swpats-talk/May 30 15:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Old Talk by Dr. Richard Stallman About How Patents Work | TechrightsMay 30 15:29
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schestowitz"This tweet didn’t age well…"May 30 15:39
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/imtooold4this/status/1245908577191157761?s=21May 30 15:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ImTooOld4This: @stautistic @TProphet @JDApsley @GidgetWA @hacks4pancakes @AstroKatie In many regards you might be right, but barki… https://t.co/hUKrqCN2LZMay 30 15:39
techrights-botYes, we need more enablers of people who traffic THOUSANDS of young girls for sexual exploitation https://twitter.com/ImTooOld4This/status/1245908577191157761 #microsoft #billgates #apologists #MoneyTalks #gatesfoundationMay 30 15:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ImTooOld4This: @stautistic @TProphet @JDApsley @GidgetWA @hacks4pancakes @AstroKatie In many regards you might be right, but barki… https://t.co/hUKrqCN2LZMay 30 15:41
schestowitz"May 30 15:42
schestowitzDirector of Microsoft stanning for Bill Gates…who would have thought?May 30 15:42
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/stautistic/status/1398799871109332993?s=21May 30 15:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@stautistic: Tell me that the lips of your Bill Gates poster are worn off without telling me that the lips of your Bill Gates po… https://t.co/czieX69GxlMay 30 15:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@stautistic: Tell me that the lips of your Bill Gates poster are worn off without telling me that the lips of your Bill Gates po… https://t.co/czieX69GxlMay 30 15:42
schestowitz"May 30 15:42
techrights-botThis Week in Linux 153: Audacity CLA Controversy, #Ubuntu #DMCA Notice, Have I Been Pwned, Inkscape https://tuxdigital.com/2021/05/thisweekinlinux-153/ #gnu #linuxMay 30 15:45
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MinceRthanksMay 30 16:13
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MinceR(audio:important) (video:unimportant) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUXiojaB86cMay 30 17:17
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BaronVladimirHarhttps://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/05/30/comcast-sends-dmca-threats-to-a-subscriber-for-downloading-ubuntu-gnu-linux/May 30 18:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | Comcast sends DMCA threats to a subscriber for downloading Ubuntu GNU/Linux – BaronHK's RantsMay 30 18:52
BaronVladimirHarI pointed out that the threat is real. If Comcast gets enough complaints, they terminate your internet access, and they may well be a government sanctioned ISP monopoly in your area.May 30 18:52
BaronVladimirHarLast I knew, their policy was that if they throw your offline, you can't have an account with them again for six months.May 30 18:53
cybrNauti have no sympathy for Comcast patrons.  That's an evil company and if they refuse service they also lose business and that's a good thing.May 30 18:55
kingoffrancewhy am i not surprised?    Ironically, the MPAA violated the GNU GPL and other licenses in the process, effectively managing to commit piracy, and when they didn’t respond to the DMCA letter, their hosting company stepped in and took it down. (Sony also violated the LGPL license of LAME in their “XCP” Windows rootkit malware in 2005.)May 30 18:56
cybrNauti recall Sony getting caught using GPL code in their DRM codeMay 30 19:01
BaronVladimirHarThe last time anyone tried to do something about the Comcast problem, it was when the Obama administration reclassified them as an essential utility that was regulated, but Trump reversed that and it would take time to fix this. Meanwhile, Comcast gets another shot at bribery and burrowing into the Biden Administration to head off another potential Title II action.May 30 19:03
*BaronVladimirHar uploaded an image: (146KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/gBDgcBKkZBpNdZiShhwGlAqj/900-4.png >May 30 19:06
XRevan86"You will run SQL Server" – huh, otherwise the grammar's fine, but here it clearly should be "You will run an SQL server".May 30 19:09
CrystalMathmore like a semantic problem since there technically could have been a program called "SQL Server"May 30 19:11
CrystalMathwhich there actually isMay 30 19:11
CrystalMathpronounced "sequel server", it's microsoft's own DBMSMay 30 19:12
CrystalMathi have it on a DVD somewhereMay 30 19:13
CrystalMath2005May 30 19:13
CrystalMathan original copyMay 30 19:13
CrystalMaththough that's nothing to be proud of :PMay 30 19:13
XRevan86CrystalMath: But then this is disgusting.May 30 19:14
MinceRmicrosoft with their creative namesMay 30 19:14
CrystalMathMinceR: there was a time when they called a JIT debugger "Dr. Watson"May 30 19:16
CrystalMathbefore the last hacker was removedMay 30 19:16
schestowitz'server' [sic]May 30 19:17
schestowitzbtw, when do we replace the word?May 30 19:17
schestowitzit's offensiveMay 30 19:18
MinceRserver? but i don't even know 'er!May 30 19:18
schestowitzin a just society nobody serves anybodyMay 30 19:18
MinceRwe do not have a just societyMay 30 19:18
MinceRand the cancel mob only makes our society even more unjustMay 30 19:18
schestowitzthen ban the word classMay 30 19:18
schestowitzbecause it suggests that people are not all equalMay 30 19:19
MinceRlolMay 30 19:19
CrystalMathi think C+= does thatMay 30 19:19
schestowitzdoubly ungoodMay 30 19:19
MinceRdoubleplusungood crimethinkMay 30 19:20
BaronVladimirHarMandy asked if I was going to contact John after John found him and messaged him on Facebook wanting to know about the car title. I told Mandy no, because I'm not going to be baited into more nonsense with him. It deeply disturbs me that this is going on and, worse, that I can't make Mandy get off of Facebook.May 30 19:21
BaronVladimirHarIf John is stalking him on it, so might his sister.May 30 19:22
BaronVladimirHarI'm not going to quit claim deed my interest in the car over to John because it amuses me that it's going to be impossible for him to transfer the title over to anyone else without my approval, which I can withhold.May 30 19:23
BaronVladimirHarEven if I was going to change my mind on that, it certainly wouldn't be until the last payment is due on it to Kia Finance, because if he does want the title so he can try to sell it and be done with it and not have to come up with the entire amount due, I don't want to make that easy. If they repo it again, it's his problem.May 30 19:24
bagirafyi: https://twitter.com/lord_bagira/status/1399061090718343169May 30 19:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@lord_bagira: @mjg59 @rahaeli @BadLegalTakes For people reading, Matthew has a serial habit of smearing people in public using th… https://t.co/Y6M95qpftlMay 30 19:24
BaronVladimirHarMinceR: In other words, I can be nasty by not having to do anything at all. He might be able to get out from under it by selling at $13,000 since the used car market is up right now, and then he only needs $3,000 or so out of pocket to get out of the loan.May 30 19:25
BaronVladimirHarBut if I don't sign, there's no way he can get the title from Kia and he still has to come up with $16,000.May 30 19:25
BaronVladimirHarSo I can slow bleed him and possibly have it turn into a lawsuit against him by taking no action.May 30 19:26
BaronVladimirHarThese are my favorite situations. Harm enemy by taking no action at all.May 30 19:28
BaronVladimirHarI don't know how he found Mandy on Facebook. That's the part that bothers me.May 30 19:29
schestowitzwow, patents do that?May 30 19:32
schestowitzhttps://www.phonearena.com/news/Apple-patent-turns-a-MacBook-Pro-into-a-wireless-charger_id129335May 30 19:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Apple patent turns a MacBook Pro into a wireless charger - PhoneArenaMay 30 19:32
schestowitzthey make it sound like patents DO thingsMay 30 19:32
MinceRlolMay 30 19:32
BaronVladimirHarFor the next trick.... Legal document from the government transforms the Mac into the Starship Enterprise.May 30 19:33
BaronVladimirHarWHAT does God need with a starship!?May 30 19:33
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/lord_bagira/status/1399061090718343169May 30 19:34
BaronVladimirHarHow "God" got imprisoned on that planet for all time turned out to be Q related, in a later Trek story.May 30 19:34
schestowitzunemployed troll trying to find a jobMay 30 19:34
schestowitzjealous of something who has a jobMay 30 19:35
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2021/03/05/google-funded-trolls/May 30 19:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Professional Troll Matthew Garrett Spreads Libel, Defamation and Slander About the Free Software Community to Entertain Microsoft and Friends | TechrightsMay 30 19:35
BaronVladimirHarIt turned out to be a very powerful being from another reality that created monotheistic religions in our universe. But the Q eventually injured it and imprisoned it on that rock to stop it from interfering further.May 30 19:35
schestowitzplaying with doorbells and adding malicious crap to things, e.g. UEFI 'secure' bootMay 30 19:35
schestowitzmore harmful than doing nothingMay 30 19:36
schestowitzhe should become a gardener or somethingMay 30 19:36
BaronVladimirHarGarrett will eventually get a job at Microsoft and claim that he's changing it from the inside.May 30 19:36
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2021/05/30/decentralised-internet/May 30 19:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Internet Was Made to be Decentralised and We Need to Re-decentralise It | TechrightsMay 30 19:37
BaronVladimirHarLike he changed Google from the inside, as it got worse, and he eventually resigned. May 30 19:37
BaronVladimirHar(Might have been one of those "mutual decisions".)May 30 19:37
schestowitzafter taking lots of moneyMay 30 19:37
BaronVladimirHarYou resign and you get to keep some of your dignity because we didn't have to fire you.May 30 19:37
schestowitzThunberg joined ExxonMay 30 19:37
schestowitzshe will change it from the insideMay 30 19:37
schestowitznext stop: Philipp MorrisMay 30 19:38
BaronVladimirHarEmployers like to do this a lot. If you voluntarily resign then it frees them from any potential liabilities later.May 30 19:38
BaronVladimirHarLike potentially losing an unemployment case you bring.May 30 19:38
BaronVladimirHarBut they frame it as "We'll fire you and then how will that look on your resume later?".May 30 19:38
BaronVladimirHar<schestowitz "Thunberg joined Exxon"> They always use children like this to inflict policy that nobody would otherwise agree to.May 30 19:39
kingoffranceIOW they bluff to get what they want   ""We'll fire you and then how will that look on your resume later?"."May 30 19:39
BaronVladimirHarChild pornography is a horrible thing, but look how they used that. They used children as pawns to get people to view Tor and encryption as "criminal". Anyone who wants privacy is a "criminal".May 30 19:40
BaronVladimirHarMeanwhile, the criminals and sickos, like Bill Gates, are free and they will never worry about consequences. No real ones.May 30 19:40
BaronVladimirHarIn "climate change", they stick the face of children out there again.May 30 19:41
BaronVladimirHarIt makes people "feel bad". "You're being mean to children if you eat meat, drive a car, and want any standard of living. Just give it all up!".May 30 19:41
BaronVladimirHarThe Chinese benefit greatly from the "climate change" stuff because they get other nations to agree to "cut emissions" and ruin their own industry and living standards and cause mass unemployment and suicides.May 30 19:42
Noisytootschestowitz, UEFI secure boot is fine if the user controls itMay 30 19:43
BaronVladimirHarIn the meantime, the Chinese just keep pumping out more greenhouse gases and smog each year because they put in more heavy industry and renege on their end of all the deals.May 30 19:43
BaronVladimirHarThey're very duplicitous, and if you say that, it's "racist".May 30 19:44
BaronVladimirHarschestowitz: I'm really not surprised about Thunberg. Most "activists" really just want to be paid in exchange for shutting up.May 30 19:44
BaronVladimirHarShe's laughing. It's diabolical for a child, I'll give her that. Most of them aren't thinking on that level until way later in life.May 30 19:45
BaronVladimirHarWhat can I get in exchange for virtue signaling and corruption?May 30 19:45
schestowitz[19:43] <Noisytoot> schestowitz, UEFI secure boot is fine if the user controls itMay 30 19:46
schestowitzthat's not what we getMay 30 19:46
BaronVladimirHarMARISOL is an example of this. Crude manipulation of others through thinly veiled corruption and apparent generosity towards others.May 30 19:46
schestowitzthe OEMs ship it with control outsourcedMay 30 19:47
BaronVladimirHarIt's betrayed by an anal expulsive personality though.May 30 19:47
schestowitzBaronVladimirHar: this is a tech channel, let's keep focusedMay 30 19:47
schestowitzthanMay 30 19:47
schestowitzthanksMay 30 19:47
NoisytootThat is bad, but it does not have to be like that (UEFI secure boot can be good)May 30 19:47
BaronVladimirHarThe people who do a better job of that are the ones who can manage to keep their composure when you irritate them.May 30 19:47
BaronVladimirHarGarrett can at least do that, I guess.May 30 19:48
schestowitzNoisytoot: this is how the monopolists sell itMay 30 19:49
schestowitznow Google and IBM (via LF) do the same with software packagesMay 30 19:49
schestowitzyou have to sign trust chains leading up to monopolistsMay 30 19:49
schestowitzat first it would warn you otherwiseMay 30 19:50
schestowitzbarrier to installationMay 30 19:50
schestowitzlater it might be strictly enforcedMay 30 19:50
NoisytootThey should ship it disabled (and with no keys installed)May 30 19:50
BaronVladimirHarMinceR: We stopped at the SG-1 crossover episode The Pegasus Project last night. That was a good episode. It was another example of Teal'c being Teal'c.May 30 19:50
BaronVladimirHarWhen he commented that the Tollan people lacking the ability to think strategically would be their downfall, he followed up by destroying an Ori mothership by luring it in front of the supergate, which he knew would open up in a minute and catch it in the energy vortex.May 30 19:50
schestowitzand they'll tell use they protect us from "bad software"May 30 19:50
schestowitzso Linux becomes like iOSMay 30 19:50
BaronVladimirHarThere's no obvious way to gain the upperhand here. An entire fleet of ships could barely be a small drain on the shields of one of those with concentrated fire.May 30 19:51
BaronVladimirHarThat episode reminded me of the B5 flashback where Captain Sheridan was the XO on a ship during the Earth-Minbari War, and lured the Black Star into an asteroid field mined with nuclear weapons, by sending out a distress signal and using maneuvering thrusters to pretend to try to limp away from them. There was no way an Earth ship could get a firing lock on a Minbari vessel due to some sort of jamming technologyMay 30 19:53
BaronVladimirHarand they were superior in every way anyway, and his ship was badly damaged.May 30 19:53
BaronVladimirHarThe Minbari were always pissed off about that, long after the war. They considered it a dishonorable way to fight. Is there really a dishonorable way to fight if you're the one that wins?May 30 19:54
BaronVladimirHarI would argue that if you are badly outnumbered or outmoded and desperate, anything goes as long as the cause is just.May 30 19:55
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BaronVladimirHarThat's how I've won most of my battles against a nominally superior foe. If you can't outfight them, outthink them.May 30 19:56
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BaronVladimirHar<schestowitz "so Linux becomes like iOS"> I don't think that's a huge threat, honestly. With the "app stores".May 30 19:57
MinceRit's happening with OSPS such as systemd and flatpak on top of itMay 30 19:57
schestowitzyeahMay 30 19:57
schestowitzflakpakMay 30 19:57
BaronVladimirHarThat model is basically falling apart. The Snap Store was an experiment that failed. Ubuntu is trying to become Linspire.May 30 19:57
MinceRand of course the dumbed down ui with gnomeMay 30 19:57
schestowitzreminds me of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flapjack_(oat_bar)May 30 19:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Flapjack (oat bar) - WikipediaMay 30 19:58
schestowitza bunch of high-calory crapMay 30 19:58
schestowitzfor just a lousy little applicationMay 30 19:58
BaronVladimirHarI was briefly interested in Linspire a long time ago until I saw how badly they had cobbled it together.May 30 19:58
schestowitzsaddled with lots of libsMay 30 19:58
schestowitzand it's also a security issueMay 30 19:58
BaronVladimirHarI mean, it even logged you in as root.May 30 19:58
BaronVladimirHarYou could open Konqueror and delete parts of the operating system!May 30 19:58
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schestowitzBaronVladimirHar: the snap team is falling apartMay 30 19:59
schestowitzturned out shilling Skype and Spotify isn't what people wanted May 30 19:59
BaronVladimirHarI don't even use Spotify.May 30 20:00
schestowitzthey remove barriers for proprietary software on "Linux"May 30 20:00
schestowitzas if people want "apps"May 30 20:00
schestowitzit's a ramp for crapwareMay 30 20:00
schestowitzI wondered today,May 30 20:01
schestowitzhas Google already approached CanonicalMay 30 20:01
schestowitzto put Chromium there by defaultMay 30 20:01
schestowitzlike the installer (iirc) is a google frameworkMay 30 20:01
MinceR30 204306 < Noisytoot> schestowitz, UEFI secure boot is fine if the user controls itMay 30 20:01
psydroidSnack and SnackpackMay 30 20:01
MinceRjust boot Backdoors once, and boom, your keys are blacklistedMay 30 20:01
schestowitzcan you SAY that?May 30 20:02
MinceRit's designed to lock users/owners outMay 30 20:02
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schestowitzreminds me of what phones became...May 30 20:02
schestowitzdigital jailsMay 30 20:02
MinceRBackdoors installs a BIOS update automatically, and the deal is alteredMay 30 20:04
MinceR(pray they do not alter it any further.)May 30 20:04
schestowitzexactlyhMay 30 20:06
schestowitztbh, some 'Linux' companies are not worth trusting eitherMay 30 20:06
schestowitzthe word "community" is losing its meaningMay 30 20:06
schestowitzI have an informant at the moment about libreofficeMay 30 20:06
schestowitzand commercial interests from withinMay 30 20:06
schestowitzwe're checking the factsMay 30 20:06
schestowitzas it might be the basis for a good article or seriesMay 30 20:06
MinceR(updating a blacklist and installing a BIOS update are two separate routes, afaik)May 30 20:07
schestowitzthat's two impermissible words right thereMay 30 20:09
CrystalMathMinceR: dOn'T sAy BlAcKlIsTMay 30 20:09
MinceRlolMay 30 20:11
MinceRwhich one is the other impermissible word?May 30 20:11
CrystalMathgraylist, it offends aliensMay 30 20:12
MinceRi didn't say "graylist"May 30 20:12
CrystalMathah you asked schestowitz May 30 20:13
CrystalMathi don't know :PMay 30 20:13
schestowitzguess...May 30 20:13
schestowitzwords hurt and trigger ideasMay 30 20:14
CrystalMathseparate?May 30 20:14
schestowitzsome of them contradict worldviewsMay 30 20:14
schestowitzhere's the thing...May 30 20:15
schestowitzon the past 100 years alone, let alone/aside 1000 years, we more or less existed OK without those 'emotional condoms'May 30 20:15
schestowitzwe trained people to access or reject some ideasMay 30 20:15
schestowitzwithout trying to silence or remove from society the people who express those ideasMay 30 20:16
schestowitzRowan spoke about this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiqDZlAZygUMay 30 20:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-In full: Rowan Atkinson on free speech - YouTubeMay 30 20:16
schestowitztowards the endMay 30 20:16
schestowitzmany comedians cannot do their word anymoreMay 30 20:16
schestowitzor they become a lot less funnyMay 30 20:16
schestowitzbecause they have to filter their jokes for like a dozen audiencesMay 30 20:16
schestowitzwhich make the punchlines infantileMay 30 20:16
schestowitzI wonder if Mr. Bean would be canceled if it happened to take off todayMay 30 20:17
schestowitzmaybe mute people's societies won't condone itMay 30 20:17
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schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2020/09/29/lame-words/May 30 20:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] It’s Crazy Not to Eliminate Lame Words That Might Offend Somebody | TechrightsMay 30 20:20
kingoffranceMinceR's heresy link was great, thats pretty much what the thought police isMay 30 20:22
kingoffrancebut it will masquerade as secular etc. May 30 20:23
kingoffranceor all-inclusive etc.May 30 20:23
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schestowitzit gives enough leeway for trolls like mjg59May 30 20:28
schestowitzby which to portray nice and reasonable people as monstersMay 30 20:28
schestowitzbecause they use the 'wrong' word or something, maybe 20 years agoMay 30 20:29
schestowitzunethical corporations change the standardMay 30 20:29
schestowitzto shift away from their inherently unethical business modelMay 30 20:29
schestowitzso you end up cancelling people like RMS but not ZuckerbergMay 30 20:29
schestowitzor julian assange instead of the monsters in the helicopter who massacre civiliansMay 30 20:30
schestowitzor their chain of commandMay 30 20:30
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schestowitzTODAY:May 30 20:30
schestowitz[12:57] <techrights-bot> OUCH OUCH OUCH! Birmingham University calls a college after "Thomas J. Watson" https://www.binghamton.edu/news/story/3082/computer-science-department-celebrates-research-new-faculty-for-2020-21 don't pay tribute to Nazis: http://techrights.org/2021/04/25/ibm-germany-history/May 30 20:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.binghamton.edu | Computer Science Department celebrates research, new faculty for 2020-21 | Binghamton NewsMay 30 20:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Documentary: IBM Founder (Watson) Gave a Nazi Salute, Admired Hitler, Said Hitler Was Doing the Right Thing | TechrightsMay 30 20:30
schestowitzsome libraries are STILL called after GatesMay 30 20:31
schestowitzmaybe some CS depts  as wellMay 30 20:31
schestowitzthey're paid to do soMay 30 20:31
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schestowitztonight the logging/archiving will be on 'autopilot' (IRC)May 30 21:42
schestowitzwill be the first true change to test the workings of it and test extensivelyMay 30 21:42
schestowitzso far this network has been 100% reliable, which is greatMay 30 21:42
schestowitzAriadne: "L" studied the container todayMay 30 21:42
Ariadneoh?May 30 21:42
schestowitzfor purposes such as backups etc. or D-RMay 30 21:42
BaronVladimirHarPapa John's upped their deliver fee to $2.99 in my area and then continues to be unclear about where this goes. Drivers have stated that they don't see any of it. They get a very small allowance for gas which is maybe $1 per delivery. The rest of their money comes from tips and the lower tipped minimum wage.May 30 21:43
schestowitzloved the fact only 18 processes in itMay 30 21:43
BaronVladimirHarThat got me thinking about how pizza was basically the OG GrubHub.May 30 21:43
schestowitzthe way it should beMay 30 21:44
Ariadne18?May 30 21:44
Ariadneseems a bit highMay 30 21:44
schestowitzcan people still use bitcoin to buy pizza in some placesMay 30 21:44
schestowitzearlier today I read that bitcoin value had crashed by more than 50%May 30 21:45
schestowitz:DMay 30 21:45
schestowitzmaybe that included the ps commandMay 30 21:45
BaronVladimirHarEveryone I've talked to that has delivered pizza complained that they barely made any money because the delivery fees come right out of their tips since the customer feels they're already paying for the delivery anyway. That they barely get money for gas and that it's out of their own pocket when their car breaks down a lot from constant starts and stops.May 30 21:45
schestowitziirc, you used to deliver pizzas in your car for a livingMay 30 21:45
AriadnethereMay 30 21:45
schestowitzvery dangerous job at the momentMay 30 21:45
Ariadnenow 7May 30 21:45
Ariadne:)May 30 21:46
schestowitzmany hands, door knobs etc.May 30 21:46
BaronVladimirHar<schestowitz "earlier today I read that bitcoi"> Yeah, and Maricel bought a lot of that bragging that you can't lose.May 30 21:46
schestowitzbitcoin?May 30 21:46
schestowitzshe has no idea about itMay 30 21:46
BaronVladimirHarThe UK government warned that you could technically lose everything since it's not backed by anything.May 30 21:46
schestowitzand even those who knew it got burned latelyMay 30 21:46
schestowitz:-DMay 30 21:46
BaronVladimirHarIt's a speculation bubble and worth whatever people collectively agree it's worth.May 30 21:47
BaronVladimirHarUnlike dollars, nobody is compelled to accept them for a debt owed and you can't pay tax in them.May 30 21:47
Ariadne(5 really, when nothing is attached)May 30 21:47
MinceRisn't that true for all fiat currency?May 30 21:47
schestowitzamazingMay 30 21:47
schestowitzroy@vonick:~$ ps aux | wc -lMay 30 21:48
schestowitz331May 30 21:48
BaronVladimirHarThe threat of government violence oddly gives fiat money its value.May 30 21:48
schestowitz(buster)May 30 21:48
Ariadnefreenode is down to 60k users basicallyMay 30 21:48
MinceRso why does it inflate?May 30 21:48
schestowitzI'd rather cheers the issues at EPOMay 30 21:48
MinceRnot enough violence?May 30 21:48
schestowitzthan do IRC warsMay 30 21:48
BaronVladimirHarWith Bitcoin, if you and I agree one is worth a car, it's worth a car. If we agree it's worth a tuna sandwich, it is.May 30 21:48
schestowitz*cheer the issuesMay 30 21:48
Ariadnenot cheering that, i find it quite sad reallyMay 30 21:48
schestowitzthey will need to redo their courtsMay 30 21:48
BaronVladimirHar<MinceR "not enough violence?"> Violence is only part of the equation.May 30 21:48
schestowitz150 judges or something at that regionMay 30 21:48
schestowitzbig step towards killing swpats May 30 21:49
schestowitzI will do IRC advocacyMay 30 21:49
schestowitzas a protocolMay 30 21:49
schestowitzMatrix I don't know well enoughMay 30 21:49
schestowitzgemini, irc, the light webMay 30 21:49
schestowitzthere's also "SmallWeb"May 30 21:49
schestowitz"SmallLinux"May 30 21:49
schestowitzback to basicsMay 30 21:49
BaronVladimirHarIt floats against what is basically the coercive force of other governments in the world economy, and the fact that people are willing to pay more or less of something due to external factors that the government does not control, and due to those it does. Like overspending and having to create more dollars to do that with.May 30 21:50
schestowitzmany now move from wordpress to hugo and stuff like that, or with hugo over gemini, gemini over ipfsMay 30 21:51
schestowitzipfs is just cpu-intensive, that's the main downsideMay 30 21:51
BaronVladimirHarTaxes are a way to limit inflation, but the government knows that tax is unpopular and that programs tend to be popular. Even though everyone knows there will be horrible inflation that outstrips the pittance they got from a one off stimulus, they still cheer it on.May 30 21:52
BaronVladimirHarI'd much rather undo the 30% real inflation in my groceries from the last year, even if it meant giving back $1,200 that I got once.May 30 21:52
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schestowitzwe buy discounted foodMay 30 21:52
schestowitzyou can save a lot that wayMay 30 21:53
schestowitzyou just need to know the where and whenMay 30 21:53
schestowitzcan lower your bills by a thousand pounds per yearMay 30 21:53
BaronVladimirHarYeah, slow cookers are a good way to economize. Freeze last day meat.May 30 21:54
schestowitzand with that money you can buy 5 decent laptops or whatnot... per yearMay 30 21:54
schestowitzBaronVladimirHar: freeze is you have 'backlog'May 30 21:54
schestowitz*ifMay 30 21:54
BaronVladimirHarOh, my sinuses are clearing up already. I suspect the silver.May 30 21:54
BaronVladimirHarIt makes sense that nobody studies it and then complains there's no evidence.May 30 21:55
BaronVladimirHarIt's amazing what evidence the government doesn't have when it doesn't want the research.May 30 21:55
schestowitz[14:41] <schestowitz> in fact, I guarantee you this so-called 'article' is based 100% on market-led 'research' that is in fact a very minuscule survey (selef-selective people) in one single country of interest, made in order for some boardroom to justify some decision for an outomceMay 30 21:55
BaronVladimirHarThe FDA is drug company lobbyists overseeing an agency that's 75% funded by drug companies.May 30 21:56
schestowitzyes, not just the US 'FDA'May 30 21:56
BaronVladimirHarThey set the agenda and pay for conclusions to be reached.May 30 21:56
schestowitzapproval can have little to do with meritMay 30 21:56
schestowitzbut how much lobbying firepower you haveMay 30 21:56
schestowitzmaybe J&J was not preparedMay 30 21:56
BaronVladimirHarThey recently approved a $300,000 a year drug for muscular dystrophy, iirc, on a bad study that only had usable results from 11 patients.May 30 21:57
BaronVladimirHarFurther study suggests that those who go on the drug decline faster than those who don't.May 30 21:57
BaronVladimirHarThe silver tastes horrible but both Mandy and I started recovering quickly after starting on it.May 30 21:58
BaronVladimirHarUnfortunately there's no real studies in the NIH system and I doubt there ever will be.May 30 21:59
BaronVladimirHarI'm told that these solutions were popular up through the 1950s when powerful antibiotics were released, but now the antibiotics don't work very well and good luck getting any help at all from a doctor you just paid $300 to even if it is bacterial.May 30 22:00
BaronVladimirHarThey just sit there and deny the possibility and call it allergies while you have green shit coming out your lungs.May 30 22:00
BaronVladimirHarAmoxicillin clears up my sinus infections, but I usually just have another one in short order and about half the doctors prescribe you something and the other half say take allergy meds that don't work.May 30 22:02
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schestowitzhttps://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/May 30 22:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.worldometers.info | United Kingdom COVID: 4,484,056 Cases and 127,781 Deaths - WorldometerMay 30 22:02
schestowitzalmost 50% growth in cases week-to-week(end)May 30 22:02
schestowitzI expect lockdowns end of summerMay 30 22:03
schestowitznot even autumnMay 30 22:03
BaronVladimirHarSo if the concern is throwing money in the trash, is not that what spending $300 talking to a doctor who doesn't even do anything accomplish?May 30 22:03
schestowitzthings get bad here when there are 20-30k new cases per day and it slips out of controlMay 30 22:03
BaronVladimirHarIs not spending $17 on a bottle of colloidal silver less of a risk?May 30 22:03
BaronVladimirHarEven if it does turn out to be a big fat placebo, so is Zyrtec if that's what the doc says to do about a sinus infection.May 30 22:04
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schestowitzHappy Friday, loyal Linux Today readers!  May 30 22:07
schestowitzHere in the U.S., Monday, May 31 is Memorial Day, the federal holiday on which we commemorate the women and men who died while serving in the nation's military.May 30 22:07
schestowitzLinux Today's staff will observe this federal holiday and be on a reduced publication schedule for Monday. We'll be back on Tuesday, June 1 with a full day of Linux news and updates.May 30 22:07
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schestowitzhttp://www.linuxtoday.com/news/reader-update-memorial-day-weekend.htmlMay 30 22:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxtoday.com | Linux Today - READER UPDATE: Memorial Day WeekendMay 30 22:09
schestowitzhttp://blog.netbsd.org/tnf/entry/public_netbsd_irc_channels_movedMay 30 22:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.netbsd.org | NetBSD BlogMay 30 22:10
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schestowitzYou can submit questions from #debxp:matrix.org via Matrix, or #debxp on Freenode via IRC.May 30 22:14
schestowitzhttps://stallman.org/live/stream-debxp-may-31.htmlMay 30 22:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | Live de Segunda #80 - Uma conversa com Richard Stallman - May 31, 2021May 30 22:14
cybrNautCarnegie Mellon University wrote a robot to harvest privacy policies of banks, and publish a matrix showing which banks respect privacy more: https://cups.cs.cmu.edu/bankprivacy/May 30 22:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cups.cs.cmu.edu | Bank Privacy: SearchMay 30 22:17
schestowitzAlexandre Oliva: A Conversation With Richard Stallman • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/05/30/conversation-with-rms/May 30 22:23
schestowitztomorrowMay 30 22:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Alexandre Oliva: A Conversation With Richard Stallman | TechrightsMay 30 22:23
schestowitzquestions via freenode, rasengan might be happy...May 30 22:23
schestowitzcybrNaut: some banks sell dataMay 30 22:24
schestowitzbut banks do, in general, need to collect SOME dataMay 30 22:24
schestowitztax, fraud etc.May 30 22:24
schestowitzmy grocer need notMay 30 22:24
schestowitzthey don't need to know what I eat or even who I am...May 30 22:24
cybrNautbanks are getting worse and worse, but they are not all equal.  Some banks are far more abusing/exploitive than others.May 30 22:28
cybrNautthere's also a comparison here: https://git.disroot.org/cyberMonk/liberethos_paradigm/src/branch/master/usa_banks.mdMay 30 22:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.disroot.org | cyberMonk/liberethos_paradigm: Information and tools to facilitate ethical consumption of goods and services. - usa_banks.md at master - liberethos_paradigm - Gitea: Git with a cup of teaMay 30 22:29
schestowitzhttps://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/752372/best-cheap-sbc-for-a-linux-with-a-nice-gui/May 30 22:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | Best cheap SBC for a Linux with a nice GUI - Questions and advice for Buying a New ComputerMay 30 22:29
schestowitzif you use cash, they won't know much about youMay 30 22:30
schestowitzonly when and where you withdraw and deposit moneyMay 30 22:30
schestowitzwhich doesn't tell THAT much about youMay 30 22:30
schestowitzbecause you usually deposit and withdraw at the same placesMay 30 22:30
schestowitzand similar intervals apartMay 30 22:30
cybrNautright.. indeed it makes sense to use cash whenever practicalMay 30 22:30
cybrNauti'd be hard-pressed to close all bank accts and keep everything as cash in a safe thoughMay 30 22:32
schestowitzhttps://euroquis.nl//freebsd/2021/05/30/kde-freebsd-communications.htmlMay 30 22:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-euroquis.nl | KDE on FreeBSD – IRC channels | [bobulate]May 30 22:32
schestowitzit's a small projectMay 30 22:32
schestowitzfew peopleMay 30 22:32
schestowitzthere is a slowdown in exodus, I thinkMay 30 22:33
schestowitzno high-profile projects announcing departureMay 30 22:33
schestowitzlet's hope no major blunders and the flux settlesMay 30 22:33
schestowitzand we get back to doing work, not just migrations that are mostly needlessMay 30 22:33
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schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/videos/carlin-on-america.oggMay 30 22:47
schestowitzhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urugXGOlJXsMay 30 23:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mother Giraffe kicks Lion head and kills it to save her baby, harsh life of Wild Animals - YouTubeMay 30 23:04
techrights-ipfs ▕  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▅▄▆▆▃▄▅▅▇▆▄▆▆▆▇▂▁▁▆▇▃▅▅▆▅▆▅▅▆▂▃▄▁▆▅▆▁ avg(k/sec) 26.06 ▕  IPFS upstream: ▃▃▂▁▂▁▁▂▃▂▁▃▂▂▂▁▃█▂▁▂▂▁▂▁▂▂█▂█▂▂▁ avg(k/sec) 42.05▕ swarm size (avg): 234.89  ⟲May 30 23:17
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tessierschestowitz: You use IPFS to distribute techrights? Is it like a CDN? It speeds up sites by caching the data local?May 30 23:36
schestowitzno, it sends the bulletins and IRC logsMay 30 23:36
schestowitzthe bulletins are all daily stories for a dayMay 30 23:36
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/txtMay 30 23:37
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