IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Sunday, May 30, 2021

XRevan86

CrystalMath: Let's outlaw the biggest opposition organisation, that should work out fine.

MinceR

we're turning the planet into venus2, we're getting rid of science and technology so that any random asteroid can kill us all and so we can't do anything about the Sun going red giant

psydroid

what will happen when Putin dies?

kn\

CrystalMath: Then why are you trying to act like it and not respect the decisions being made?

MinceR

he probably has a successor already

CrystalMath

kn\: which decisions?

XRevan86

let's make life extremely hard for the non-profit foundations that fight for human rights in Russia

CrystalMath

on techrights? i can't influence techrights

kn\

on moving

XRevan86

they have it coming, how dare they

CrystalMath

i'm just thoroughly disappointed

CrystalMath

kn\: moving to where? russia? maybe i will some day

XRevan86

Advocating for human rights in Russia is practically an extremist activity.

XRevan86

psydroid: No one knows.

https://pics.me.me/im-not-mad-im-just-disappointed-when-your-fb-friend-22944430.png

MinceR

psydroid

I just realised I went to Serbia, Hungary and Ukraine in 2017

kn\

The Earth is already on its way to extinction. You're getting what you want anyway CrystalMath

MinceR

the Earth will be fine

MinceR

maybe even some unicellular life on it will survive too

CrystalMath

kn\: what i want is for nature to take its course naturally with us interfering the least as possible

MinceR

well, for a few billion years, anyway

kn\

humans won't be

XRevan86

I hope that after CrystalMath moves to Russia his Internet will experience cheburnet.

MinceR

after about 5 billion years, it depends on intelligent life to survive

kn\

The nenw climate models are kind of frightening but believable

kn\

new*

CrystalMath

XRevan86: what's cheburnet?

kn\

The run away effect as already started.

kn\

Big pools of methane are already being released from the permafrost

CrystalMath

XRevan86: i must say i don't know the language too well, but i understood the stuff you wrote here :)

kn\

CrystalMath: have you ever been anywhere outside of Serbia

CrystalMath

*schestowitz has quit (Password incorrect)

kn\

You should travel.

CrystalMath

but i've been in areas where it's 99% hungarians

CrystalMath

if that means anything

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kn\

There's more to the world than Serbia.

CrystalMath

(and my verdict is that it's the same)

XRevan86

CrystalMath: Чебурнет – это народное название инициативы по отключению России от внешней сети.

kn\

No I really don't think you understand America.

schestowitz__

odd... /oper caused my connection to restart sort of

kn\

XRevan86: do you mind translating what you said

Ariadne

Ariadne

it kicked you, 'password incorrect'

CrystalMath

cheburnet - it's the national name of the initiative for ??? Russia of ???

CrystalMath

trying to translate myself ^

XRevan86

Cheburnet is a colloquial name for the initiative to disconnect Russia from the outside network.

CrystalMath

CrystalMath

отключению, i should have gotten that

Ariadne

worked that time

schestowitz__

ok, did ok now

CrystalMath

but it means "unlock"

CrystalMath

in serbia

schestowitz__

does it have 'guard on' supported?

MinceR

named after chebureki?

schestowitz__

/CS HELP says not

XRevan86

CrystalMath: It stems from electricity terminology here.

psydroid

afsluiting

kn\

XRevan86: Where are you from?

CrystalMath

ah so i guess networks "lock into" each other

CrystalMath

kn\: XRevan86 is from russia

XRevan86

CrystalMath: ключ is also an electrical switch

kn\

CrystalMath

CrystalMath

here it just means key

kn\

XRevan86: I wasn't wrong about anything I said right?

kn\

or do you feel another way

XRevan86

kn\: I didn't complain, have I?

CrystalMath

XRevan86: i don't really think russia will disconnect

psydroid

and lock?

kn\

nope

CrystalMath

i mean even china is connected

CrystalMath

and north korea to some extent

XRevan86

psydroid: that'd be замо́к

MinceR

ah, it's from Cheburashka

psydroid

XRevan86, thanks, I should have known that

Ariadne

not needed

XRevan86

MinceR: yep

schestowitz__

yeah, I was not sure

schestowitz__

just followed my plain text manuals from the olden days..

schestowitz__

I will need to do some coding for managing irc logs etc.

psydroid

in Dutch it's easy: "slot" (lock) and "sleutel" (key)

https://rferl.org/a/russia-internet-censorship-sovereign-network/25375226.html 2014

XRevan86

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rferl.org | Russia's 'Cheburashka' Internet? Probably Not, But Here Are Some Other Options

Ariadne

in this ircd, the services are built into the ircd

schestowitz__

that might take some time, but no rush

schestowitz__

the freenode channel was getting off-topic very often

May 30 00:11

schestowitz__

I will try to release some articles around 1am, barely slept...

May 30 00:11

XRevan86

"sovereign Internet" is the name that they are actually going for

May 30 00:11

XRevan86

but the people remembered the original brilliant idea to call it Cheburashka, and hence Cheburnet

Ariadne

yes i hope that with techrights being here that there will be less people just dropping in to troll

BaronVladimirHar

Back to Atlantis for a while. You know, the Wraith were remarkably bad tacticians and you'd think they would have went looking for Atlantis to see if they could at least get any tech or the control crystal that allowed the gate to connect to Earth.

Ariadne

schestowitz__

trolling is proportional to impact

schestowitz__

either

schestowitz__

1) the subject of criticism trying to derail

BaronVladimirHar

The Ancients apparently wrote the program on the other gates so they couldn't dial into the Milky Way network as a security system.

kn\

????///

schestowitz__

2) other causes infiltrating to interject themselves onto something

schestowitz__

but 1 never equals 2

XRevan86

Кто о чём, а DaemonFC о Звёздных вратах.

schestowitz__

EPO is in chaos now

kn\

yo um

kn\

What?

Ariadne

yes, the (2) is what i wonder about :)

schestowitz__

they used to spy on our IRC channels and wrote reports about them

schestowitz__

they leaked out

*XRevan86 doesn't know how to translate some idioms :)

schestowitz__

(this month we published some)

XRevan86

maybe CrystalMath will know

kn\

no what BaronVladimirHar said

schestowitz__

EPO panicked

MinceR

he's talking about Stargate Atlantis

CrystalMath

hmm... "who's talking about what: DaemonFC about stargate"

kn\

CrystalMath

that's my best translation

CrystalMath

is it good?

XRevan86

CrystalMath: Misses the mark completely.

CrystalMath

oops

schestowitz__

Ariadne: thanks anyway, you've put all the key pieces in place, I could not be more grateful, this is something we planned even last year but lacked the skillset to do

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kn\

I haven't watched Stargate in years

Ariadne

could have just asked :p

kn\

I was mad when they ended it

CrystalMath

possibly a decade for me, but i only saw a little, and didn't like it

schestowitz__

I won't advertise this network yet... need to make lots of changes to code like the irc log pipelines

CrystalMath

i liked the first star trek though

kaniini

replacement ircd is up

XRevan86

~= Different people speak about different things and DaemonFC talks about Stargate.

kaniini

irc.techrights.org

CrystalMath

replacement?

CrystalMath

schestowitz said it would be a secondary one

schestowitz__

maybe do a "public" announcement some time next month

XRevan86

kaniini: That's fast

kaniini

XRevan86: ircds done fast is what i do

CrystalMath

and it's ridiculous: no tor relay, etc...

kaniini

CrystalMath: give me like, an hour

kaniini

and i will set up a tor relay

XRevan86

kaniini: By the way, I heard about "bridging" between networks, does that actually work?

CrystalMath

i still believe that schestowitz is spineless if he leaves freenode

kaniini

XRevan86: nope

XRevan86

kaniini: figures

CrystalMath

why not a bridge bot?

schestowitz

we are not doing fights

MinceR

why would it not work?

schestowitz

we don't endorse networks

schestowitz

we just want to self-host for years now

kaniini

oh using a bot

kaniini

yes

kaniini

that is possible

schestowitz

not a new desire

MinceR

it would bring the offtopic that bothers schestowitz here to the other network though :>

schestowitz

but now we have more free time

kaniini

yes, this is true

CrystalMath

schestowitz: if you leave freenode, you're spineless and you have no integrity, and techrights has no integrity

schestowitz

also, setting an example

kaniini

schestowitz brought up self-hosting

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XRevan86

kaniini, MinceR: Like matterbridge?

kaniini

last year

schestowitz

rasengan supported trying to grow IRC

schestowitz

by dencentralising more

BaronVladimirHar

<kn\ "I was mad when they ended it"> At least they got a couple of movies to wrap up Ba'al and the Ori.

XRevan86

but that's such a compromise bot

schestowitz

maybe federating more

kn\

*GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection)

schestowitz

this way we can eat the real compeition

schestowitz

not each other

MinceR

XRevan86: dunno, i never ran such a bridge

schestowitz

we need to eat the IRC copycats like slack

MinceR

the only bridge i've ever run was rcon2irc

CrystalMath

schestowitz: i am thoroughly disappointed in techrights

BaronVladimirHar

Atlantis could have easily gone on for several seasons with the Wraith arc.

kaniini

CrystalMath: fwiw i think rasengan has good intentions, but this has been an unmitigated shitshow

XRevan86

MinceR: It's just a user that reposts messages, a very simple design.

MinceR

i know

CrystalMath

kaniini: freenode is a great network, and it's a great place for techrights

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MinceR

i've used them, but not administered them

schestowitz

CrystalMath: sorry, not my intention, but this ambition to self-host IRC is years-old and matter of public record, too

CrystalMath

i see absolutely no reason to leave other than your personal bickering, and schestowitz's spineless attitude

XRevan86

kaniini: I agree with this statement.

schestowitz

CrystalMath: it's still ehre

schestowitz

CrystalMath: you don't know the history

schestowitz

MinceR knows...

schestowitz

all the deplatforming of the site techrights

BaronVladimirHar

Freenode appears to be very concerned about emptying out.

schestowitz

you don't even know how much ariadne did for us

CrystalMath

a few months ago, if you said you wanted to leave freenode, i would understand 100%

kaniini

mincer also used to be an ircop on my previous network

rasengan

I support this (not that my opinion matters)!

CrystalMath

a few months ago *I* wanted to leave freenode

rasengan

And thank you kaniini.

XRevan86

kaniini: Also, I am curious about your opinion on who displayed better judgement from all the involved parties.

schestowitz

this isn't anti-freenode

schestowitz

all this infighting isn't needed

kaniini

i'm very apathetic to freenode

BaronVladimirHar

It's not a user driven emptying. It's corporations with codes of conduct and GAFAM ties that are leaving and then autokicking their users.

CrystalMath

schestowitz: then i suppose you won't mind staying here?

schestowitz

our real competition is crap like slack

kaniini

other than its decision to staff up eskimo and phanes

schestowitz

IBM forces all its staff to use slack

kaniini

i think that is a shit decision

schestowitz

that's more staff than the IRC networks have

kaniini

but its rasengan's decision to make

CrystalMath

kaniini: these are very helpful staff members

CrystalMath

and very kind, cordial, too

BaronVladimirHar

Free Software ending up on Liberal Chat is better at least than saying go to Discord or Slack.

kaniini

you and i must have different definitions of helpful and cordial

BaronVladimirHar

Libera

CrystalMath

BaronVladimirHar: i disagree actually

schestowitz

CrystalMath: let's replace proprietary software

CrystalMath

BaronVladimirHar: i would rather leave IRC than connect there

BaronVladimirHar

Autocorrect, which might actually be right this time.

CrystalMath

i will also not be connecting to ariadneirc

kaniini

CrystalMath: it's not ariadneirc

schestowitz

it's not hers

kaniini

that's irc.town

schestowitz

dns is controlled by me and [anon]

MinceR

"You and I remember Budapest very differently."

XRevan86

kaniini: We've been putting CrystalMath into his place this whole day.

schestowitz

techrights.org is a domain of the site

CrystalMath

XRevan86: there was a debate, but it was mostly unrelated to the IRC thing

schestowitz

like site hosting changed overtime

kn\

I mean check out the ophion alpha if it you wish lol

BaronVladimirHar

People have grudges and disagreements all the time. Imposing codes of conduct just encourage things to get more toxic in some other way.

schestowitz

this isn't "blogspot"

kaniini

though the irony is

schestowitz

where one company (Google) can take away your site

CrystalMath

what i'm saying is taht techrights is bending its decisions because of its hosting provider

BaronVladimirHar

Mailing lists and IRC have worked for decades.

CrystalMath

*that

kaniini

i'm actually building a software that does what rasengan is promising

kaniini

it will be available under the GNU Affero GPL shortly

XRevan86

CrystalMath: Indirectly it was, as ye have displayed making quick judgements and then defend them passionately.

schestowitz

we need to focus on the competition

rasengan

kaniini: You know my promise is not fluff though.

kaniini

(and off shithub, shortly, but i need to actually set up gitlab)

schestowitz

I've longer encouraged BSD and GNUs to work together

schestowitz

there are millions of users out there we can bring to IRC

schestowitz

like wordpress and apache/nginx won

kaniini

rasengan: it is because services remains centralized, and i don't see you sharing that database

kaniini

schestowitz

in comms the prorietary risk grows (Slack, Discord, Zoom)

MinceR

i suspect GNU will be forced to work with BSD-s eventually

CrystalMath

i don't like how people are ignoring the fact that techrights is bending its decisions because of its hosting provider

MinceR

it has no place in Gnome OS, after all

CrystalMath

a thing that would not happen if it was using a commercial one like OVH

schestowitz

MinceR: it already does... to a degree

kaniini

by the way i totally am using the GNU AGPL as a power move

MinceR

kaniini

it will ensure rasengan cannot monetize my work

schestowitz

the gnu-and-fsf-endorsed distros come with openssh

kaniini

i especially love this feature of the GNU AGPL

schestowitz

all our code is agplv3

rasengan

kaniini: ... you could make that statement without implying something against me right? ;)

CrystalMath

eww, now i feel like i should relicense to apache 2.0

schestowitz

but we need to figure out if we should release it with some git front end GUI

schestowitz

we looked into gitea/gogs

kn\

well

XRevan86

CrystalMath: schestowitz cares about what a very respective and involved in the IRC world thinks? And the person that helped him for years? This is disgusting.

schestowitz

but they are github-hosted

kaniini

i was using gitea but then it broke

kaniini

so i went back to using github

schestowitz

said in 2017 they'd leave... not happened yet

CrystalMath

XRevan86: the problem is that journalists should not be swayed by their hosting provider

CrystalMath

how hard is that to accept?

kaniini

CrystalMath: i wasn't swaying him

kn\

kaniini: there's always sourceforge :^ (trolllololol)

kaniini

CrystalMath: i was saying i did not wish to be involved anymore

schestowitz

kaniini: this isn't so mission-critical in our case

schestowitz

the git repo we use

CrystalMath

kaniini: oh it's not your fault

rasengan

schestowitz: try cgit

schestowitz

2 users for now

CrystalMath

kaniini: i didn't say it is

schestowitz

rasengan: will look into it

CrystalMath

kaniini: it's schestowitz's fault

rasengan

schestowitz: https://git.zx2c4.com/cgit/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.zx2c4.com | cgit - A hyperfast web frontend for git repositories written in C.

schestowitz

CrystalMath: we can all cool down

kn\

i mean

schestowitz

let's focus on the grand scheme of things... millions of users we can bring to IRC

schestowitz

maybe via matrix, too

kaniini

CrystalMath: and it's not any particular event that lead me to not want to be involved, but just i am very tired in general :)

XRevan86

Also I haven't heard from FSF, what decision are they leaning towards?

schestowitz

the CMS and webserver space is now free software-dominated

CrystalMath

kaniini: then why don't you just quit?

MinceR

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

schestowitz

unlike comms

kn\

self hosting

MinceR

they're having an internal discussion, afaik

kaniini

XRevan86: i have head from FSF but i don't want to break rasengan's heart

kaniini

rasengan

XRevan86: FSF Exec Director just resigned

MinceR

they gathered a lot of comments/suggestions in the meeting in #fsf

XRevan86

rasengan: What…

schestowitz

johns?

CrystalMath

XRevan86: they do want to leave freenode

XRevan86

rasengan: Not over IRC I hope

https://twitter.com/johns_FSF/status/1376346027524042759

rasengan

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@johns_FSF: After 18 years with the Free Software Foundation, I've decided to resign my position as executive director, effecti… https://t.co/4LtYcxyyFm

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@johns_FSF: After 18 years with the Free Software Foundation, I've decided to resign my position as executive director, effecti… https://t.co/4LtYcxyyFm

CrystalMath

that was a while ago

schestowitz

johns... that's old

MinceR

yeah, they're looking for applications for executive director

kaniini

XRevan86: are you on libera or OFTC"

schestowitz

it said so in tee site for over a month

kaniini

oof

schestowitz

also ruben

kaniini

OFTC?

kaniini

rather

XRevan86

kaniini, CrystalMath: If only I bet real money…

XRevan86

kaniini: I am registered on both, but on OFTC I have no channels connected.

schestowitz

CrystalMath: swallow the pride and help us bring people back together

CrystalMath

schestowitz: i will not connect to irc.techrights.org, nor will i be involved in the future

schestowitz

we're wasting 2 weeks already on IRC wars

schestowitz

I tried, and failed, to limit this fracturing

kaniini

XRevan86: i PMed you on libera

kaniini

schestowitz: fracturing is good

schestowitz

CrystalMath: sad to hear...

CrystalMath

schestowitz: if you leave freenode, then farewell; i am just very sad for techrights to have bent this way

schestowitz

kaniini: depending on the reason

CrystalMath

schestowitz: i am thoroughly disappointed

schestowitz

like, forking GIMP because of the name is needless

schestowitz

so glimpse perished

schestowitz

as we predicted

schestowitz

libreoffice= good

Ariadne

schestowitz

because oracle sucks

schestowitz

CrystalMath: who said we're leaving? you are missing the point

schestowitz

IRC is collectively a 'thing'

kaniini

schestowitz: FOSS had too many eggs in one basket for years.

schestowitz

kaniini wrote much IRC software

CrystalMath

schestowitz: if you stay on freenode then i can still talk to you

schestowitz

so if you use IRC clients, you're indebted to her too

*Server is now known as kn\

schestowitz

IRC and Matrix, Jabber etc. are the things we want to push

CrystalMath

free software has no owners :)

schestowitz

no matter whose network

kaniini

CrystalMath: agree

schestowitz

better than slack and stuff

schestowitz

the surveillance capitalists

kaniini

i use GNU AGPL to ensure my code has no owners

kaniini

i do not wish to be owned by rasengan

schestowitz

techrights is all liberally licensed

schestowitz

used to be gpl-ish, now a mix of that and CC

CrystalMath

but i mean... even if you stay on freenode, the fact that you want to cease posting news in favor of freenode is shocking enough

kn\

kaniini: see my chat

CrystalMath

it's enough of a spineless bend

CrystalMath

for me to quit techrights even if it does stay on freenode

schestowitz

that's just how we beat the paywall lovers

MinceR

news should not be in favor of anybody or anything except the truth

CrystalMath

MinceR: the truth favors someone though

kaniini

anyway, freenode and libera should be considered proprietary software

schestowitz

CrystalMath: than you don't support us

kaniini

self hosting is the way

schestowitz

if that's the condition

kaniini

it always was

schestowitz

because techrights is made possible by many people

MinceR

i thought they ran free ircd-s

schestowitz

I'm just the articles 'cog'

schestowitz

MinceR spent like 12 years on IRC

CrystalMath

schestowitz: you have a belief, you did not receive information that changes that belief, only a threat - you SUCCUMBED to that threat, instead of doing everything in your power to fight against it

kaniini

by the way psydroid i actually have views on software freedom which are in some ways more extreme than RMS's

CrystalMath

schestowitz: that is the disappointing thing

MinceR

schestowitz: pretty sure it's more than that :>

schestowitz

never impacted by editorial freedom

schestowitz

we never took down an article, except one where I confused two entities with the exact same name

MinceR

sadly, even recognizing that systemd is intended to infringe on the freedoms of users is "more extreme than RMS"

schestowitz

which made the article wrong. and showed two exact same name and suffixes can exist... one a patent troll and one totally not

kn\

I miss the days without systemd

kaniini

kn\: you can have them today, just install alpine :p

schestowitz

it's still possible

CrystalMath

schestowitz: hopefully you understand what i mean?

MinceR

same

kn\

schestowitz

techrights has lots of alpine in place now

schestowitz

except two centos instances

kn\

it wont run on this laptop

CrystalMath

the proper way is "never give up, never surrender"

CrystalMath

you gave up, you surrendered

kaniini

surrendered how

kn\

and i need my nvidia.

schestowitz

CrystalMath: you will get transparency on that

CrystalMath

will lee-side.pdf even stay up?

MinceR

By Grabthar's Hammer, by the Sons of Warvan, you shall be avenged!

CrystalMath

i link to it in my quit mesage

kaniini

CrystalMath: i agree with most of lee-side.pdf actuall

kaniini

schestowitz

CrystalMath: no, you don't know what was said or what happened

schestowitz

we need irc to get mass appeal

kaniini

i never asked schestowitz to do anything

schestowitz

i think that's what rasengan wants to

schestowitz

we all grew up on irc

kaniini

schestowitz just said he wanted to self-host his own irc

kaniini

and i said

kaniini

"no problem"

kaniini

literally

kaniini

do you want the conversation

kaniini

i'll publish it

kaniini

lmfao

CrystalMath

no...

CrystalMath

i believe you

CrystalMath

but i know why he said it

psydroid

kaniini, I would appreciate it if you could write about those on your blog, when you find the time. I am not much of a traditionalist but I do highly value software freedom.

schestowitz

this is what we wanted last year

CrystalMath

because you threatened to quit the hosting for techrights

schestowitz

when kaniini was busy with alpine stuff

CrystalMath

it's not the problem that you threatened to quit the hosting for techrights

kaniini

CrystalMath: not for any particular reason other than it is stressing me out

CrystalMath

the problem is that schestowitz didn't say "screw you then"

schestowitz

haha

kaniini

i wanted him too

schestowitz

that's bad diplomacy

kaniini

i dont actually want to host this anymore

kaniini

i mean

kaniini

i will

schestowitz

we'd be a dead site if we were that impulsive and tactless

schestowitz

like confiscating 700 channels "just BECAUSE"

kaniini

but then techrights

kaniini

posts something like

kaniini

30 Reasons To Say Fuck [somebody sponsoring alpine]

kaniini

and i go "haha what if these people figure out i host techrights"

CrystalMath

what i would like to see is techrights sponsored by a commercial webhosting provider

kaniini

though i have literally put techrights on it's own ASN and /24

CrystalMath

guess i'll just have to read breitbart instead

kaniini

with nothing else on it

kaniini

schestowitz

we did that with tessier

schestowitz

tried to advertise his business

schestowitz

hosting business, all his

CrystalMath

<CrystalMath> guess i'll just have to read breitbart instead <- this is a joke

rasengan

cancel pressure is scary for sure kaniini - i get what you feel. thank you for hosting techrights, it's really brave and appreciated.

CrystalMath

but i am thoroughly disappointed at your inability to say no and stick to journalistic integrity

kaniini

rasengan: would you like to host techrights???

schestowitz

try exposing powerful institutions

kaniini

it would make my life easier ^_^

schestowitz

see how far you get

CrystalMath

kaniini: i would like to host techrights (on a commercial webhosting provider)

schestowitz

pressure is exerted at many levels

schestowitz

private hosting companies are even worse

CrystalMath

kaniini: that i would pay for, but not directly control

kaniini

CrystalMath: you don't see a lot of what happens behind the scenes

XRevan86

rasengan: By the way, is there any reason left to keep the website on GitHub?

rasengan

kaniini: I'd like to contribute to a fund for techrights to find and have sovereignty over its hosting.

rasengan

Xrevan86: Not at all.

MinceR

sounds like funding is not the only issue though

schestowitz

that would make us dependent on you, rasengan

schestowitz

which just makes it a case of "Swapping Masters" as they call it...

kaniini

fwiw

rasengan

schestowitz: Ideally a fund which has many donors ;o

CrystalMath

kaniini: i'm pretty sure there's nothing a good commercial hosting provider can't do

schestowitz

'yay! we quit Microsoft ! Welcome GMAIL !!!"

kaniini

CrystalMath: i'm willing to take a lawsuit over stuff schestowitz posts

kaniini

that's the thing

schestowitz

we never got sued

kaniini

thankfully not yet

kaniini

but never know

schestowitz

not even close, just empty threats with no legal basuis

CrystalMath

so yeah, that's kinda a made up threat

kaniini

anyway

kn\

CrystalMath: you could always open that wallet and pay for the hosting

CrystalMath

kn\: i guess i could make a mirror, if it's all CC

kaniini

trust me, if the techrights community does not wish to be on my network, i have no active desire for it to remain on my network either

kn\

not mirror but host the main site

schestowitz

hosting is expensive except for introductory packages that are like lock-in/latch

kn\

bddy

kaniini

i would like the community to do whatever it wants to do

CrystalMath

kn\: schestowitz does not want that

schestowitz

CrystalMath: we all have some different opinions on some things

CrystalMath

kn\: so clearly i'd have to go against his wishes and mirror based on rights given to me by the CC license

schestowitz

that's just how it is

CrystalMath

yes i know but the lack of journalistic integrity is more worrying

kaniini

what lack of integrity

kaniini

all i said is i didn't want to be sysadmin anymore

kaniini

he could have told me to fuck off

CrystalMath

kaniini: he's going to stop speaking in favor of freenode because he would rather have you as the sysadmin

kaniini

and i would have been cool with it

CrystalMath

yes that's precisely it

CrystalMath

it's his journalistic integrity that is broken

CrystalMath

not your fault

schestowitz

who has 100% independence in online publishing? Even a published paper can be spurned by the postperson

kn\

CrystalMath: kaniini is leaving freenode

kaniini

CrystalMath: have you considered that perhaps he was speaking in favor of freenode because rasengan is a scary dude

CrystalMath

i would speak my mind even if there's a gun to my head

schestowitz

see the Daily Mail/Sun situation

CrystalMath

kaniini: well that would not make it any better, but i don't believe it

CrystalMath

kaniini: as for journalistic integrity that would still be bad

kaniini

CrystalMath: i think somebody with fuck-you money is intimidating

*kn\ thinks about posting a certain pdf here

schestowitz

CrystalMath: you can mirror the site

schestowitz

the licence allows that

schestowitz

then you own and control the copies

schestowitz

and it helps us

schestowitz

we don't do ads

kaniini

i mean

kaniini

i only am hosting this

schestowitz

we service the whisleblowers

kaniini

because schestowitz asked for a favor

kaniini

he was literally like

schestowitz

they want their stories heard for outcomwe

kaniini

yo tessier is shutting down his hosting

schestowitz

like what happened yesterday at EPO

kaniini

i need some hosting

kaniini

and i was like

kaniini

kaniini

heres some hosting

CrystalMath

and then i would have a nice duplicate of material that has been controlled by all sorts of hosting providers, IRC network operators, who else?

CrystalMath

might as well just mirror gatesrights

schestowitz

go for it

schestowitz

we already have some mirrors

CrystalMath

you had a good opportunity today to say no, and you won't take it

schestowitz

and they 'steal' traffic, which I frankly don't mind

kaniini

rasengan: why haven't you staffed up CrystalMath with all of this advocacy he is doing on your behalf

MinceR

we don't have mirrors of the website though, do we?

kaniini

i think he should have superbia, like eskimo

MinceR

and most users can only use that

CrystalMath

kaniini: i never applied

kaniini

oh, you should

kaniini

i hear you can k-line your enemies

schestowitz

brb, need to speak to colleague at work

CrystalMath

kaniini: i would not do that

kaniini

maybe you'll k-line me

kaniini

i would appreciate it

CrystalMath

i would maybe want to help freenode, but i wouldn't abuse it

MinceR

and so those who would try to silence us think that DDoSing the website is sufficient

kaniini

oh yes, that's another thing i deal with

kaniini

techrights gets ddosed a lot

CrystalMath

kaniini: honestly i wouldn't even set a channel ban on you

CrystalMath

anywhere

CrystalMath

i'm not like that

kaniini

thats a shame, the other staff are

MinceR

(or otherwise making it inaccessible)

kn\

CrystalMath: Can you tell me why you hate her so much?

*XRevan86 thanks CrystalMath for that generocity.

CrystalMath

kn\: i don't! i just really distrust her because of things i've seen

XRevan86

generosity

kn\

All these shennigans are because you hate kaniini

CrystalMath

like promoting the MIT license

CrystalMath

signing the anti-RMS petition

kaniini

CrystalMath: i promote whatever license fits my whims

MinceR

what's wrong with the MIT/expat license?

kaniini

in the case of IRC software, it will be the GNU Affero GPL

kaniini

which is a very good license

kaniini

it is good because it prohibits rasengan from monetizing my work

CrystalMath

MinceR: because it's for busybox

MinceR

so what?

kaniini

freedom from cost

kaniini

CrystalMath: i am totally fine with GPL for a busybox rewrite

MinceR

i published my window resize/move script (mainly for fvwm) under the MIT/expat license

kaniini

CrystalMath: i just want a busybox rewrite

kn\

CrystalMath: I think likes and opinions are like assholes. Most of everyone has one

MinceR

lol

CrystalMath

kaniini: i asked you about that and you said "business is business"

kaniini

business, is indeed, business

kaniini

but GPL does not interfere with my goals

MinceR

there's no business like show business

rasengan

I think CrystalMath is standing up for a just cause and standing his ground on what he believes in. I believe kaniini is too. Just because people have different opinions on things doesn't mean anyone is right or wrong. This world is just that diverse and beautiful. :-)

kn\

CrystalMath: how do you feel about BSD licenses

kaniini

there are lots of components i've written for alpine

CrystalMath

kn\: i use software made under these, but i think that when we have a project that is GPL, rewriting it as MIT is hostile to the idea of software freedom

kaniini

which are GPL

kaniini

CrystalMath: it's not

CrystalMath

kaniini: i believe that it is

MinceR

CrystalMath: consider that people might want to combine a given piece of software with a different piece of software, which might be under a different license

kaniini

software freedom is a form of digital autonomy

kaniini

it's the *autonomy* that matters

CrystalMath

kaniini: ask Richard Stallman, what do you think he would say?

MinceR

i don't see how this would infringe on software freedom

rasengan

kaniini is right and Crystal Math is right. Look, there are differences, but you both are pushing for the same thing.

kaniini

CrystalMath: i have asked him, and he would say "well, I would prefer a copyleft license, but it doesn't really matter"

rasengan

Let's not focus on microarguments and focus on macro change. ;o

kaniini

CrystalMath: because any OSS is better than not OSS

CrystalMath

kaniini: but we talked about a case of "existing GPL -> MIT rewrite"

kn\

at least it's not one of oracle's oss licenses

CrystalMath

i think this was maybe not clear?

kaniini

CrystalMath: that's not for the license

kaniini

CrystalMath: that's for "busybox code quality is garbage"

kn\

CrystalMath: lets use an oracle open source license for busybox then :^

MinceR

ah, so a particular case of promoting the "MIT license"

MinceR

there was some lossy compression there :>

CrystalMath

MinceR: yes that's what i'm talking about, sorry

kn\

but anyway

MinceR

kn\: CDDL?

CrystalMath

i feel a little rushed, and sad, from what i witnessed techrights do today

kn\

lol

kaniini

CrystalMath: i never said that particular project must be any license

kaniini

all i said is that a non-GPL license might help with funding

CrystalMath

so you didn't consider the freedom aspect

May 30 00:59

kaniini

i did consider the freedom aspect

May 30 00:59

kaniini

the users of alpine do not have any less freedom from an MIT package over a GPL package

MinceR

the freedom aspect isn't black and white

kaniini

the entire distribution is free

kaniini

in fact, alpine is more free than most distributions

CrystalMath

kaniini: but it risks loss of that freedom

*sepsinn has quit (Quit: leaving)

kaniini

don't care

MinceR

copyleft licenses have freedom advantages, permissive licenses have different freedom advantages

kaniini

what MinceR said

kn\

LGPL anyone

kn\

kaniini

somebody strips the freedom, who cares

kn\

kaniini

you can still get the original

CrystalMath

kaniini: i know you don't, but i'm sure that if we asked Richard Stallman, he wouldn't agree with rewriting a GPL project under non-GPL

MinceR

LGPL is still copyleft, just weak copyleft

kn\

kaniini

CrystalMath: my motivation isn't to "rewrite a GPL project under non-GPL"

CrystalMath

but that is indeed a minor issue as rasengan said

kn\

why is my glowing bear echoing two times

kaniini

CrystalMath: my motivation is to "rewrite a garbage project, so we have a non-garbage replacement"

kaniini

CrystalMath: and btw, somebody could take an MIT project and then make a GPL fork of it

kaniini

so again, who cares

CrystalMath

i mean, my shock of today is that techrights changes its story on the whim of the hosting provider, and that's not your fault

CrystalMath

you just happen to be the hosting provider today

kn\

I mean

kn\

You can always pay for a vps for techrights

kaniini

yes, please do

MinceR

CrystalMath: which stoy was changed?

schestowitz

CrystalMath: you make it sound like it was hosted by kaniini for a month

XRevan86

kn\: CrystalMath wants to, schestowitz doesn't.

schestowitz

it started in 2018

MinceR

s/oy/ory/

CrystalMath

MinceR: the freenode one

kaniini

yes, schestowitz and i created TechRights Limited

CrystalMath

MinceR: it's going to be changed as now schestowitz will no longer support it

kaniini

in UK

MinceR

CrystalMath: how was it changed?

MinceR

kaniini: lol

kaniini

and then he sold it to me

schestowitz

we have been on freenode for over 13 years

kaniini

and now i own it

CrystalMath

MinceR: new stories posted will now probabily villify the new freenode

kaniini

i got the idea from rasengan

kaniini

thanks bro

*wineroots has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)

CrystalMath

and it can be confirmed by the creation of irc.techrights.org

MinceR

CrystalMath: "probably" sounds like not something worth being upset about

schestowitz

we don't want to ruin and fracture IRC, we just want to make it healthier in how it's federated etc.

schestowitz

former freenode stuff, I heard, had also misused power at times

kaniini

they did

schestowitz

like banning for people for 'lols'

kaniini

christel set 'freenude/alcoholic-bunny/kaniini' on me in 2016 without my consent

MinceR

lol

CrystalMath

... what?

rasengan

CrystalMath: I understand where you're coming from. You're a noble person fighting for a just cause. I think the confusion is in that while I get kaniini did come in here saying she would cut the hosting, that wasn't what she actually meant. She was just really passionate and saying things she didn't mean in my opinion. ;o

MinceR

CrystalMath: vhost

kaniini

rasengan: no i want to cut the hosting

kaniini

really, i do

kaniini

i only want to host my own shit

kaniini

not other peoples shit

kaniini

CrystalMath

rasengan: thank you for the kind words

rasengan

Makes sense kaniini

rasengan

Thank you for hosting techrights.

CrystalMath

MinceR: i understand that but i did not expect that

rasengan

CrystalMath: You're welcome!

kn\

rasengan: you can take care of the hosting. It would make this situation go away

schestowitz

we accomplished a lot in Friday

schestowitz

one big step towards killing software patents

kaniini

i mean

schestowitz

150 judges might regain their freedom

kaniini

as kn\ can attest

kaniini

my network is basically

kaniini

the projects of 2 dudes

kaniini

plus techrights

kaniini

(i use dude in a gender-neutral term there)

schestowitz

bbaib

kn\

We're trying to work on ophion

schestowitz

handing over to a colleague at work

kn\

Our attention isn't these irc nets

kaniini

and CrystalMath ophion is under GNU Affero GPL

kaniini

the freest license there is

CrystalMath

i said nothing bad about that :)

kaniini

it guarantees freedom from rasengan monetization

kn\

CrystalMath I will hold kaniini to it. I wanted license change on ophion

kn\

CrystalMath

i don't understand why you're worried about that

kaniini

i think 'cloud computing' and 'SaaS' is a huge threat to digital autonomy

kn\

We have aspirations into turning irc into something more decentralized

kn\

avoiding all these non sense fiascos

kn\

and protecting people's data

kaniini

yes ironically it is the architecture rasengan wants

kaniini

and can have

kaniini

if he abides by the GNU Affero GPL

MinceR

nice

kaniini

if not, i have the phone number of Miller Barondess

MinceR

it kind of reminds me of psyc

kaniini

i hear he is familiar with it

MinceR

lol

kn\

IRC is showing its age MinceR

kn\

it's time for change

kn\

But not like this

CrystalMath

btw i'm not against self-hosting, i am in fact supporting libreboot's IRC self-hosting endeavor

kaniini

then support schestowitz

kaniini

because he wanted this

kaniini

since 2018

kaniini

he also wanted

kaniini

me to get him off centos

kaniini

since 2018

rasengan

I think he does support him greatly. There was just some confusion earlier.

rasengan

(Not trying to speak for him)

schestowitz

am doing handover

schestowitz

saw highlight

*schestowitz still needs to do a full-time job for a living

kaniini

there is still .. systemd .. in the infrastructure

kn\

My stomach is growling at 4am in the morning

CrystalMath

i want to support schestowitz, but i'm worried about the risk to techright's journalistic integrity because it seems to sometimes bend to the wishes of the hosting provider

kn\

I don't like staying up. So can you relay the problem you have now and how we can satisfy you

kaniini

CrystalMath: but he does not have to

schestowitz

CrystalMath: kaniini NEVER asked me to change something I wrote. NEVER>

kaniini

yes, never

CrystalMath

schestowitz: not directly, but indirectly you now have to do so, because her hosting depends on it

kaniini

the only thing i asked him to do was stop publishing pocock's shit

schestowitz

SLAPPers tried

CrystalMath

kaniini: and is that fair?

kaniini

and i explained why

kaniini

and he agreed

kaniini

CrystalMath: i mean, he could have said no

kaniini

it's not like i said

kaniini

i'm going to turn your shit off

CrystalMath

he should have said no, that would maintain journalistic integrity

kaniini

if you post pocock stuff

schestowitz

I posted the on-topic and reasonable things

kaniini

CrystalMath: but the content he was posting lacked journalistic integrity

schestowitz

even years ago I refused to publish some of his posts

schestowitz

esp. those comparing people to nazis

schestowitz

and sexual stuff

schestowitz

so I always cherry-picked

schestowitz

like we curate Daily Links

schestowitz

not everything published somewhere fits in

kn\

CrystalMath you have someone with much deeper pockets to be sponsor

schestowitz

many articles about freenode were also wrong

kn\

kaniini wants to walk away

kn\

that will make everyone happy

CrystalMath

kn\: it seems that $12/mo is enough, that's not very deep

kaniini

i mean

schestowitz

kn\: that someone would than become the "master"

CrystalMath

that's possibly my limit though. i'm quite poor

kaniini

i pretty much just let schestowitz do whatever he wants

schestowitz

poverty is a man-made condition

kn\

cash donations doesnt mean someone has to be your master

schestowitz

we all die eventually

kaniini

he basically has a gigantic VM on an openstack cloud

kn\

he can make a small donation to you for you to get your own hosting

schestowitz

burying outselves with coins isn't much

kaniini

and an entire /24 to play with

BaronVladimirHar

I gave Mandy a silver supplement.

CrystalMath

kn\: i would use a commercial hosting provider because i trust commercial providers

kn\

BaronVladimirHar

He started getting better almost right away.

CrystalMath

kn\: but schestowitz refused

schestowitz

CrystalMath: not wise

schestowitz

to trust them

MinceR

BaronVladimirHar: going for argyria? :>

schestowitz

they also have shareholders

schestowitz

they exercise control over those companies

BaronVladimirHar

<MinceR "Baron Vladimir Harkonnen: going "> That sounds like the Tok'ra's queen.

kn\

im sure he can provide the money for it and kaniini can walk away if you think it jeopardizes the integrity

kaniini

schestowitz reached out because we go back to 2008

MinceR

BaronVladimirHar: no, that's Egeria

kaniini

i used to follow boycott novell

kn\

no one will be a master if its a donation

techrights-ipfs

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kn\

simple

kaniini

and noMono

BaronVladimirHar

MinceR: I was joking.

CrystalMath

schestowitz: will this channel stay here on freenode?

MinceR

CrystalMath

schestowitz: you said you'll merge the logs and stuff

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schestowitz

CrystalMath: yes

CrystalMath

okay, then there is no problem

schestowitz

:-D

CrystalMath

i'll stay here

schestowitz

bbiab

schestowitz

very stressed here today

CrystalMath

and i still support techrights

schestowitz

we lost champions league

schestowitz

I had just 1 hour of sleep

schestowitz

lots to catch up with in TR and tuxmachines

MinceR

soccer isn't worth stressing about

schestowitz

relatively minor, yes

schestowitz

but nice if TheY can win

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzpndHtdl9A

MinceR

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CrystalMath

after all, you did say earlier, that this will be your last article about IRC drama

schestowitz

not my fault, the players' and coach

CrystalMath

so there would likely not be any more anyway, and the current articles remain unchanged, so there should be no loss of journalistic integrity

schestowitz

CrystalMath: yes, I try not to write about IRC at all because it leads to infighting

schestowitz

it's like a cancer

schestowitz

like fighting people over WHICH freesw licence

schestowitz

instead of looking to squash propietary

CrystalMath

vim vs. emacs? :)

rasengan

schestowitz

inc. github (proprietary)

rasengan

Yeah we just need to all get along and realize that the micro arguments are taking time away from the actual macro objective!

kaniini

fwiw rasengan is even invited to participate in building ophion

rasengan

kaniini: Thank you. :-)

schestowitz

:-D

kaniini

if he really wants decentralized irc, that's how we get there

schestowitz

the goal is to kill slack, skype, teams, zoom...

MinceR

discord

kaniini

schestowitz: yes

kaniini

schestowitz: but it will take some time

techrights-bot

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kaniini

i work on alpine full time

kaniini

this is a side project

kn\

so what's happening?

techrights-bot

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drazak

rasengan: can you remind me what the macro objective is ?

May 30 01:23

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May 30 01:23

kaniini

kn\: my guess is that there will be irc.techrights.org, and there will also be freenode for CrystalMath

kn\

i guess they'll need a relay bot

*schestowitz goes to grab some food

rasengan

drazak: irc wise macro objective is decentralization and a return of irc without getting into specifics... everyone has their different reasons i think.

rasengan

(and everyone has more than 1 reason)

CrystalMath

kaniini: i generally hope that people do stay here as well

CrystalMath

i'll bring more people in, maybe

CrystalMath

people should have the right to choose

kn\

CrystalMath: probably won't happen but they'll be a relay bot probably just for you

CrystalMath

kn\: why?

kn\

there will be

CrystalMath

no i mean why do you believe that there won't be people here?

kn\

schestowitz's objective is to self host and govern

CrystalMath

i understand that

XRevan86

It is not convinient for my set-up to be in two places.

CrystalMath

but i also don't want freenode to lose users :)

CrystalMath

that's why i will not connect to irc.techrights.org

rasengan

CrystalMath: freenode may lose users, but the cause and movement will never die.

CrystalMath

rasengan: well there are many that have decided to stay

kaniini

rasengan: yes, like bed bugs

CrystalMath

i'm working day and night to find more and more and get channels to bridge

CrystalMath

i managed to reopen a bunch of channels and set up a bridge

CrystalMath

with just conversations with channel owners

rasengan

CrystalMath: That's great to hear -- freenode will do its best to be a proper custodian til the day when everyone can be their own custodian easily.

kaniini

what do you mean by 'custodian'

kn\

rasengan

Provider, support, help, etc.

CrystalMath

i really want freenode to continue to be the most popular IRC network, too

kaniini

i really don't care about any of that

CrystalMath

so i'm trying to keep people here as hard as i can

kaniini

i just support individual and collective digital autonomy for all

rasengan

That's a good goal.

kaniini

if people want to use freenode, that's their biz

rasengan

We'll get there.

kn\

what's your plan for turning around freenode then?

rasengan

kn\: Take 1 step at a time, slowly, with proper communication and discussion.

schestowitz

kn\: correct

schestowitz

where possible

schestowitz

caveats=ISPs etc.

*schestowitz used IRC before ever using a Web browser

CrystalMath

kn\: what i'm doing is trying to put the breaks on the move by opening bridges with projects that have left, essentially making it so that the project has two networks instead of having "moved"

kaniini

my original goals with alpine was to build the smallest possible OS to allow for individuals to secure their own digital autonomy

kn\

because when you have people on your staff that make homophobic/transphobic/racist remarks or he or she impersonates people past or present it creates a narrative of distrust.

CrystalMath

kn\: in some cases i had to split the community and provide support for the projects unofficially

kn\

I literally posted every log and screenshot for eskimo for apologize and own up to it

kn\

but the reply was either lol or him owning it and apologizing.

CrystalMath

kn\: eskimo explained that, it's totally not what it looked like

CrystalMath

his imageboard website used to have a public timeline

kn\

No it is what it looked like.

kaniini

alpine was used during the arab spring to work around hostility from the egyptian state through the use of adhoc mesh networking on crap like old laptops etc

kn\

It goes deeper than his imageboard.

kn\

stop right there.

kn\

kaniini you know I am not wrong.

kaniini

i'm not going to say how we verified some things ^_^

kaniini

just that they were definitely verified!

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CrystalMath

kn\: what you are doing is cancel culture against eskimo

techrights-bot

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CrystalMath

kn\: plus it's false

CrystalMath

but cancel culture is usually baseless

kaniini

it is 100% accurate

kn\

kaniini is one of my first friends that I ever accepted as transgender. Had it been me years ago, I would of made asshole remarks but I changed for the better and my views changed as I grew as a person

May 30 01:34

kaniini

anyway

May 30 01:34

CrystalMath

kn\: are you implying that you had friends you didn't accept?

May 30 01:34

kn\

Huh?

*bagira (~bagira@freenode/staff/phanes) has joined #techrights

kn\

I grew up in the south.

kn\

Where things like that weren't ok.

kaniini

go away chris

kn\

I went in the military

kn\

people didn't like it there either

kn\

People change.

CrystalMath

hi bagira! nice to see you here

kaniini

rasengan: why haven't you deopered chris punches yet

kn\

same with eskimo man

CrystalMath

kaniini: because he is a good person

kn\

no it's he not.

CrystalMath

well i can't speak for rasengan

kn\

no he's not

CrystalMath

but i believe that bagira is a good person

techrights-bot

A lot of the time you get the feeling that #ultimateedition is developed and maintained by a drunk person :-) http://ultimateedition.info/massive/

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CrystalMath

kaniini: what you are doing is also "cancel culture", and why i had hoped that techrights will continue without you

*XRevan86 is in a zoo-garden now.

May 30 01:37

kn\

........

May 30 01:37

CrystalMath

schestowitz: so you see why i find difficulty in trusting techrights with people like kaniini and kn\ on board?

May 30 01:38

schestowitz

we don't have a Board of Directors :-)

May 30 01:41

MinceR

*wineroots (f24d257755@gateway/shell/disroot.org/x-mrxxulibtwicjuwc) has joined #techrights

BaronVladimirHar

I just took some silver. I've been nursing an oncoming sinus infection.

BaronVladimirHar

Let's see if it has any effect on that.

CrystalMath

schestowitz: but clearly they influence decisions

BaronVladimirHar

They happen so frequently that I don't go to the doctor anymore. They might give me antiobiotics, and that'll chase it off for a few months.

CrystalMath

anyway, if i see techrights move away from freenode, i will stop reading it, and stop participating in the community; i'm fine with a presence here and there though

schestowitz

the only emails telling me what to write are from sources

schestowitz

fragmentation is the issue

CrystalMath

there = irc.techrights.org

schestowitz

moving away is not the solution

CrystalMath

at least it's not that bastard network that i will not mention (something beginning with L)

MinceR

lol

schestowitz

my IRC clients support multiple networks in tandem

schestowitz

didn't try this before

schestowitz

all those years

BaronVladimirHar

I used to use HexChat.

MinceR

i'm on 11 networks :>

BaronVladimirHar

Many IRC networks block you if you use a VPN now.

schestowitz

heck, maybe we could write bridges

schestowitz

with suckless ii

MinceR

the only irc client i ever used that lacked multiserver support was mirc

schestowitz

to relay things across

schestowitz

I can do it or experiment tomorrow

MinceR

there are already bridge bots available, afaik

BaronVladimirHar

<MinceR "the only irc client i ever used "> mIRC let you connect to numerous servers.

schestowitz

but the issue is how to handle usernames etc.

MinceR

BaronVladimirHar: eventually.

BaronVladimirHar

I used it when I had Windows 98.

schestowitz

MinceR: I can imagine...

CrystalMath

MinceR: i'm concerned that this is really just a project to compromise by making freenode lose more users

schestowitz

[01:43] <CrystalMath> schestowitz: but clearly they influence decisions

BaronVladimirHar

I appreciated how easy it was to script in mIRC.

schestowitz

more than just me influence decisions

schestowitz

on a lot of things

schestowitz

it's not an ego trip

kn\

mirc is as simple as /server -m

schestowitz

This channel/network was set up for us by slated from slated.org

CrystalMath

i'll probably put the bridge bot on ignore if it gets here

kaniini

rasengan: did you know your staffer is threatening to sue me?

schestowitz

Keith from Scotland

BaronVladimirHar

mIRC should run fine on GNU/Linux distributions in Wine if you want to set it up that way.

May 30 01:48

kn\

still runs like crap and not necessary if you use glowing bear or hexchat or some other client

May 30 01:48

MinceR

BaronVladimirHar: multiserver support was added in 6.0, i used 5.x

https://www.mirc.com/newsold.html

MinceR

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mIRC: Older News

MinceR

i switched to xchat before mirc 6.0 came out

BaronVladimirHar

I switched to ChatZilla mostly for a while, then XChat, then HexChat.

MinceR

i went mirc -> xchat -> kvirc -> irssi

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kn\

yikes

kn\

steamos is terrible

BaronVladimirHar

ChatZilla has been updated, finally, to run in SeaMonkey again, and moved into the main program.

kn\

also I have a steam machine made by dell

MinceR

lol

kn\

I installed libreelec

kn\

Kodi runs good with emby

XRevan86

I also have an IRC client journey: I used to use ejabberd mod_irc, now I'm on biboumi.

techrights-bot

#Blockchain being thrown at everything for hype's sake :-) https://www.iottechtrends.com/how-zero-trust-blockchain-tech-secure-air-force/

kn\

I am use a cable tuner I have in the US

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CrystalMath

schestowitz: tbh, the reason why i'm angry with you is because i skipped sleeping trying to get people to stay on freenode

CrystalMath

schestowitz: i literally have to replace 8-9 support teams now

drazak

rasengan: so if the macro objective is decentralization, I guess it isn't a concern people are leaving for libera chat and other networks more in line with FOSS ethics

kn\

and watch american television from here

CrystalMath

drazak: this network is perfectly in line with FLOSS ethics

MinceR

i don't see how they're more in line with "FOSS ethics"

CrystalMath

drazak: in fact, Libera is against FLOSS ethics, as schestowitz said in a video earlier today

drazak

CrystalMath: I'm sure it's perfectly in line with making sure there's nothing between your teeth :) who isn't

CrystalMath

drazak: why are you even here, if you support garbage networks like Libera? Libera is strongly against the freedom of speech

schestowitz

[01:52] <CrystalMath> schestowitz: i literally have to replace 8-9 support teams now

schestowitz

you mean shifts?

kn\

I am going to keep my comments to myself but

CrystalMath

schestowitz: no, many channels that have moved, i'm now doing all the support on the unofficial channels

drazak

I don't think I said I support any of the other networks

kn\

I'll say one more thing CrystalMath, I think you have a screw loose up there

CrystalMath

##regex, ##perl, ##fvwm, ...

kn\

my opinion not fact

schestowitz

IRC is not great for support tbh

CrystalMath

i have to maintain it all when people come, so that they don't leave for that other place

schestowitz

esp. because solutions do not get archives

CrystalMath

kn\: freenode is my home and i love it, i will never forgive the libera staff for the lies they wrote

schestowitz

so you end up having to explain the same things over and over again

kn\

what lies do you think they wrote

drazak

CrystalMath: I don't think taking over channels because the community decided to move is at all in line with FOSS ethics, but I'd happy to debate it

CrystalMath

drazak: i didn't, i just joined them and i provide support

CrystalMath

i've been given ops in some, but they are not mine

CrystalMath

only ##fvwm is mine

drazak

I didn't suggest you did, i suggested the staff of this network did, which there's documented proof of

schestowitz

CrystalMath: I am still trying to wrap my head around this fragmentation

MinceR

attempting to cancel someone over poorly understood writings isn't in line with free software ethics either

MinceR

and "open source" is irrelevant

schestowitz

federation is not decentralisation, only similar

schestowitz

but thankfully we can unify things in the sense of records

May 30 01:57

CrystalMath

drazak: the ethics of FLOSS is that software should not have owners - but some people decided to lock down channels

May 30 01:57

schestowitz

I can, for example, use sort and uniq to merge IRC logs

CrystalMath

drazak: i am very glad that staff gave us a path to bypass that

schestowitz

the timestamps are formatted suitably already

MinceR

wouldn't it make more sense to keep them as separate logs?

MinceR

at least as long as we have no bridge

drazak

CrystalMath: I think people tried to direct their communities to their new homes, to prevent fragmentation of their community caused by displeasure with the host of their community ( rasengan )

schestowitz

depending on source file I can add icon for source network

CrystalMath

drazak: not everyone shares this displeasure

drazak

CrystalMath: and because there was concern over numbers going down, staff decided to take the channels over

CrystalMath

drazak: yes because people were forced to leave

drazak

so, a community like gentoo can't decide where it wants its irc home to be ?

schestowitz

MinceR: that's the natural thought, yes

CrystalMath

drazak: if i want to have a gentoo community on freenode i should be allowed to have one

schestowitz

or to split somewhere, then basically have two sections

schestowitz

as the networks are not concurrent

drazak

so, did freenode get rid of ## for official project channels ?

schestowitz

either way, this isn't one network against the other per se but self-hosted plus "critical mass" etc.

CrystalMath

drazak: ## is for unofficial

CrystalMath

drazak: that's what my channels are

schestowitz

you can guess which will have lower s/n ratio

schestowitz

MinceR: the "Mandy diaries..."

May 30 02:01

schestowitz

composed by the spouse

May 30 02:01

MinceR

lol

May 30 02:01

schestowitz

BleepingComputer

schestowitz

Microsoft boosting again https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/hands-on-with-wslg-running-linux-gui-apps-in-windows-10/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | Hands on with WSLg: Running Linux GUI apps in Windows 10

schestowitz

WSL with a geeeeeee

schestowitz

the geeee

schestowitz

oh geeee

schestowitz

wonder why Canonical's WSL staff jumped ship

schestowitz

better not ask them

schestowitz

they'll come here to IRC again with a new cloak

schestowitz

WSLg10

schestowitz

WSLg10x

kn\

I don't like the idea of WSL

schestowitz

WSLg10x Premium Edition+

schestowitz

kn\: it's a form of EEE

kn\

I am happier with Windows in a VM

schestowitz

they already added DX

schestowitz

so we know what they have in mind

schestowitz

you think you develop in 'Linux

schestowitz

but it won't run without Vista10

CrystalMath

kn\: you know that my eyes are red from all this reading and typing, all the time?

CrystalMath

and the crying

schestowitz

so they you deploy servers and stuff on windows + overhead

CrystalMath

probably mostly because of the crying

kn\

Maybe you should see a doctor about that

schestowitz

CrystalMath: appreciate the sincerity, sorry about all that..

schestowitz

kn\: no, he spent a lot of effort in IRC

schestowitz

that's understandable

kn\

schestowitz I am not quite as nice and I will be blunt

schestowitz

no need to

schestowitz

not helping

kn\

us military messed my body up. im not crying

kn\

Sorry but I don't play into that. The freenode situation has already been harmful enough and has hurt a lot of people.

May 30 02:07

schestowitz

my wife complains I never cry

May 30 02:07

schestowitz

kn\: shows why we're right to avert this whole split and infighting

May 30 02:07

schestowitz

amicable splits are one thing...

schestowitz

but this is a propaganda war

schestowitz

where people call horrible names and make caricatures of people whom they see as "enemies"

CrystalMath

schestowitz: yet i see you giving into the propaganda and moving away from freenode

schestowitz

CrystalMath: nope, not even close

schestowitz

we've long wanted to have a self-hosted contingency

kn\

I think I only care about the ophion project mostly now. it will prevent disasters from happening like this ever again

schestowitz

techrights isn't moving to anything but techrights

schestowitz

we're moving more inwards while keeping the doors all open

kn\

But I will tell you this

schestowitz

CrystalMath: one way you can help easily is pin bulletins

kn\

The universities in the south do not promote open source

CrystalMath

schestowitz: accepting a compromise that hurts freenode, in a pretty bad time, when every connection counts

http://techrights.org/ipfs/bulletins.html

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index

schestowitz

CIDs there

kn\

Universities in the south like their walled gardens

CrystalMath

schestowitz: why now?

schestowitz

CrystalMath: we're 90 users here online

schestowitz

not hanging up

kn\

Most of my professors never advocated for open source software and that's troubling

schestowitz

CrystalMath: because finally there's an IRC guru helping to set up what we wanted a year ag

schestowitz

*Ago

kn\

All they advocated for was eclipse which is troubling

schestowitz

eclipse is better than VS crap

CrystalMath

schestowitz: conveniently at a time when dropping a connection to freenode is political

schestowitz

I used eclipse

kn\

You don't want to know what I use

kn\

lol

kn\

actually

kn\

I'll tell you

MinceR

i use vim

kn\

I use Intellij

kn\

it's not free

schestowitz

CrystalMath: looks like we move towards ophion as solution

kn\

i mean it is and it isn't

schestowitz

like the one Lee was pursuing before it blew over

schestowitz

free software is winning

schestowitz

hence all this chaos

schestowitz

power trips and outside interference

schestowitz

IBM is collapsing

schestowitz

not Red Hat

schestowitz

but IBM

schestowitz

They've joined hands with Microsoft in some areas

schestowitz

they're a losing team

schestowitz

Amazon and others take all the carrots

schestowitz

Android is becoming 'too

schestowitz

' dominant

schestowitz

Free software becomes de facto foe devs

schestowitz

so Microsoft tries to rebrand MSVS as "open"

schestowitz

even by lying

schestowitz

blowing money on a dying repo

http://techrights.org/2021/01/24/fleeing-github/

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft: The Year After We Bought GitHub There Was a Significant Decline in Number of New Projects on GitHub | Techrights

schestowitz

more people not self host and use sourcehut etc.

CrystalMath

schestowitz: personally i believe the best time to leave freenode was UNTIL a week ago, now freenode is much better, and can be entirely trusted

schestowitz

we just need to steer them away from clown computing

CrystalMath

so i will ignore any bridge that comes here

schestowitz

CrystalMath: freenode # of users didn't change much

http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/stats-freenode-history-uc.png

schestowitz

schestowitz

peaked in 2015

CrystalMath

i know, i still loved it when it was just 50k

schestowitz

now it's back to 2013-ish levels

CrystalMath

in 2008 when i first connected

CrystalMath

and yeah we have been dropping steadily since 2015

schestowitz

I started with dalnet iirc

MinceR

i liked it more when it was new to me

kn\

huh

kn\

what graph are you looking at schestowitz

https://netsplit.de/networks/history/top10_2021u.png

kn\

kn\

this is the graph I am looking it.

drazak

rasengan: well, interested in your thoughts when you have time

MinceR

kn\: the graph you're looking at only shows 2021

https://isfreenodedeadyet.com/

kn\

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-isfreenodedeadyet

kn\

-2k users today.

schestowitz

it was high around feb, I mentioned that yesterday

CrystalMath

there was always a 2k bounce every day

techrights-ipfs

▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▅▇▅▅▅▅▆▆▅▄▆▅▅▆▄▇▄▆▆▇▅▆▃▄▂▆▇▄▁▅▆▅▅▁ avg(k/sec) 29.75 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▂▂▃▂▂▃▂▁▂▂▁▂▃▃▂▁▂▁▂▂▂▂▁▁▂▂▁█▂▂▂▃▁ avg(k/sec) 8.91▕ swarm size (avg): 234.19 ⟲

CrystalMath

if you look at the history

schestowitz

anyway, I saw NO POSTS ABOUT IRC today

schestowitz

in all my RSS feeds

schestowitz

so let's hope people can move on and go back to coding

schestowitz

I made 3 videos yesterday

schestowitz

and spent 2 hours on the phone

MinceR

that site doesn't show any data to me

kn\

you don't think that the major projects leaving freenode impacts the population vastly?

https://netsplit.de/tmp/networks/stats-freenode-week-uc.png

CrystalMath

CrystalMath

as you can see we've always had daily bounces

May 30 02:19

CrystalMath

but today we didn't bounce back up as high

May 30 02:19

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May 30 02:20

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May 30 02:20

kn\

so you're still going to say this when freenode hits 30k users after all the matrix bridges move?

May 30 02:20

CrystalMath

kn\: both matrix bridges are up

schestowitz

matrix does not count for that much

schestowitz

and matrix links here OK

CrystalMath

matrix is 20k but why would it disconnect from freenode?

schestowitz

let's change subject and move on

schestowitz

we're about to generate the IRC logs for yesterday

schestowitz

2:30

MinceR

the matrix bridge seems to crash every now and then

May 30 02:22

CrystalMath

MinceR: yes, you can see a few days ago

May 30 02:22

CrystalMath

they account for 20k

May 30 02:22

CrystalMath

kn\: you know that matrix bridges to more than one network?

May 30 02:23

CrystalMath

they bridge to OFTC too

May 30 02:24

drazak

Matrix bridges: still stupid 25 years later

May 30 02:25

schestowitz

MinceR: working on the merge solution

schestowitz

might want to add ip cloaks

schestowitz

for now I sub with x's

MinceR

there's HostServ for that, if you mean the other side

MinceR

if you're an ircop, you can just /quote hostserv set :>

schestowitz

I will look into that, thanks

MinceR

there might also be a way to have automatic cloaking

schestowitz

that might help

MinceR

so that if someone joins, the least significant part of their address is hashed

schestowitz

also safer for our whisleblowers

schestowitz

who DM

schestowitz

freenode staff could always see the ips and logs and stuff

schestowitz

not a new issue

schestowitz

whistleblowers don't know what that "other domain" is

https://www.davidrevoy.com/article847/the-official-chat-room-moved

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.davidrevoy.com | The official chat room moved - David Revoy

schestowitz

this is the ONLY one from today

schestowitz

just one small channel

schestowitz

#pepper&carrot

schestowitz

he also did the anti-RMS thing

schestowitz

so I am not shocked

schestowitz

in fact, this is much as expected...

schestowitz

"To interact with us, you'll need to create an account (and I recommend the read of our CoC) but that's all. Easy!"

schestowitz

We never had a CoC

*mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)

schestowitz

they want to have their CoC fights

schestowitz

good luck with that

MinceR

schestowitz

they'll only hurt one another where amicable resolutions are possible

schestowitz

you talk to both sides

schestowitz

and find a way forward

schestowitz

not prick-waving (or CoC-wavinf)

MinceR

schestowitz__: apparently cloaking can be configured in the configuration file (default.yaml or something like that) in the ip-cloaking: section

schestowitz

intimidation with a virtual baseball bat

schestowitz

I don't consider it a 'Safe space" where netkkkops threaten people with bans

schestowitz

it's a two-way street

kaniini

well i support the autonomy of #pepper&carrot to use whatever IRC network they wish

schestowitz

in the context of irc also collective punishment, e.g. whole channel for one's person's speech

schestowitz

kaniini: yeah

schestowitz

no point fighting over it

schestowitz

just taking stock, that's all

kaniini

I also think the pepper & carrot web comic is quite nice.

MinceR

indeed

May 30 02:33

schestowitz

I love i and promote it

May 30 02:36

schestowitz

mr. revoy felt hurt about rms coming back to fsf board

May 30 02:36

schestowitz

i personally think he misunderstood rms' position

kaniini

well i didn't think that was particularly great either

schestowitz

based on what he was told and/or heard

kaniini

though, upon further thought about it

schestowitz

but... maybe not

kaniini

i guess it does not really matter

tessier

schestowitz: Speaking of hosting..it's super hard to sell hosting. We never got a single inquiry from the ads we ran on techrights etc. But we tried. The hosting just wasn't growing and I didn't know how to sell it. I'm not a salesperson. But an embezzling partner didn't help and is ultimately what made me decide to close it down.

schestowitz

2 years ago I was surprised fsf was dependent for comms on third party infra

tessier

There's still litigation pending over that one.

kaniini

tessier: oof

schestowitz

tessier: thanks for clarifying

MinceR

it's sad to see revoy throwing in his lot with SJWs

schestowitz

tessier: we hope that over time people will get off "the clown" (cloud)

schestowitz

it's like mainframe 1.1

kaniini

mainframes are cooler

tessier

And really, I wasn't trying to sell hosting. I really wanted to sell security programs. Secure hosting that will pass audits etc. But nobody was interested. Especially if it wasn't in "the cloud".

kaniini

i gave a talk about that at alpineconf

kaniini

everyone pretty much agreed that my mainframe was cooler

MinceR

what sort of mainframe?

tessier

Hosting was just something that had to go along with selling secure servers it seemed like. But to my surprise everyone, even the US Federal Government, are ok with having sensitive information in the cloud.

schestowitz

tessier: iirc, your kid uses raspi 400

tessier

schestowitz: Correct.

schestowitz

we do gemini and ipfs from raspi 4

tessier

Although we still don't have the sound working on it, a year later. Annoying.

schestowitz

yes, sound is also not loud enough on those

tessier

The problem is that the rpi 400 doesn't even have a 3.5mm jack for sound. Or even bluetooth for bluetooth speakers.

*acer-box has quit (Remote host closed the connection)

schestowitz

I never even plugged it in, as I was told it would not work too well... but I added a LED HAT to it

tessier

Or maybe it does have bluetooth and we could never get it to connect.

tessier

It's been so long since we have messed with it that I forgot.

*acer-box (~acer-box@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrights

schestowitz

yeah, well... those limitations are minor for some uses

May 30 02:42

schestowitz

maybe you can get your son some programming tools

May 30 02:42

BaronVladimirHar

Even without the Rewards turned on, Brave is a pretty good browser.

May 30 02:42

BaronVladimirHar

But the shop manager at the Car-X was interested in it for quite a few reasons, including the cryptocurrency stuff.

schestowitz

tessier: ->>> my pi http://techrights.org/2021/05/23/monitoring-ipfs/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Using a Single-Board Computer to Monitor IPFS | Techrights

schestowitz

it shows me the ipfs status and more

BaronVladimirHar

I came out ahead on some BAT trades earlier this year.

tessier

He is interested. He has played with Scratch. Not sure yet if he has the patience for it though. I hope so. He wants to do more and is interested in Python but he's 9 which is just a bit young still but almost there.

tessier

I'm playing with Chia.

schestowitz

BaronVladimirHar

<schestowitz "it shows me the ipfs status and "> I'm not sure there's any browser but Brave that has IPFS built-in.

schestowitz

not the coin

tessier

I'm still puzzled by crypto. I am not too optimistic about it long term. It's all speculative pump and dump it seems.

schestowitz

BaronVladimirHar: true, for now...

schestowitz

I heard they also considered gemini

schestowitz

it's very easy to implement support for it

tessier

But so many people have "too the moon!" religion about it that they don't really dump like traditional short term speculators and profiteers.

schestowitz

maybe one day's worth

tessier

But I think it's got to happen eventually.

BaronVladimirHar

Apparently, WebTorrent in Brave slipped one over the fence on Apple.

tessier

If you can't buy a pack of gum with it, it doesn't have a future.

MinceR: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-290521.html#tMay%2029%2023:43

BaronVladimirHar

They won't sign bittorrent apps on the Mac, but Brave has WebTorrent built in, and you can run it on a Mac with Gatekeeper on.

May 30 02:45

schestowitz

tessier: that's what I've long said

May 30 02:45

schestowitz

or if you buy X with it, until year Y but not after that, major uncertainty and risk

May 30 02:45

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Saturday, May 29, 2021

BaronVladimirHar

Protesters showed up at the Illinois Capitol today.

schestowitz

I will code something to automate it

BaronVladimirHar

They're protesting a nuclear power plant that might shut down.

BaronVladimirHar

Lots of jobs in an area that otherwise doesn't have very many good ones.

tessier

schestowitz: What is IPFS? Interplanetary File System? Why do I want to monitor it?

techrights-bot

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schestowitz__

for this irc daemon? I never ran any irc daemon at all, just openfire (not IRC)

schestowitz__

Ariadne might know

BaronVladimirHar

If the nuclear plant shuts down, you have to replace it with capacity someplace else.

schestowitz__

I don't want to expose IPs of people accustomed to IRC cloaks

BaronVladimirHar

That might put us behind on pollution goals.

MinceR

schestowitz: nice

MinceR

for this one, yes

techrights-bot

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MinceR

if you don't want IPs to be exposed, you don't want them to be visible here, not only in logs

MinceR

presumably

schestowitz__

yes, of course

schestowitz

MinceR: will maybe do some fancy things with it

techrights-bot

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MinceR

and once that's a given, you don't need to filter them in logs either :>

schestowitz

tomorrow

schestowitz

as i lack sleep at the moment... stress last night

http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-290521.txt

schestowitz

schestowitz

already supported OK

techrights-bot

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May 30 02:50

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techbytes @ FreeNode: Saturday, May 29, 2021

May 30 02:50

schestowitz__

thanks!

May 30 02:50

techrights-bot

*** 𝐁𝐔𝐋𝐋𝐄𝐓𝐈𝐍 *** Yesterday's bulletin ready. http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2021-05-29.txt

May 30 02:51

MinceR

May 30 02:51

techrights-bot

Shirish Agarwal: Planes, Pandemic and Medical Devices – I https://flossexperiences.wordpress.com/2021/05/29/planes-pandemic-and-medical-devices-i/ #india #covid19

May 30 02:58

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-flossexperiences.wordpress.com | Planes, Pandemic and Medical Devices – I – Experiences in the community

May 30 02:58

techrights-bot

"Rich countries donated/gifted ventilators to #India on which GOI put GST of 28%. Apparently, they are a luxury item, just like my hearing aid." https://flossexperiences.wordpress.com/2021/05/29/planes-pandemic-and-medical-devices-i/

May 30 03:00

techrights-bot

"Today, we're going to talk about which distributions someone currently using Windows could move to. They're not in any specific order or preference, they all answer to different needs!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReAz7ZQ8hgk

May 30 03:01

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The BEST Linux distributions for switching from Windows to Linux - YouTube

May 30 03:01

techrights-bot

Top 10 video downloaders for #Firefox | FOSS Linux ⚓ https://www.fosslinux.com/47164/video-downloaders-firefox-add-links-to-the-extensions.htm ䷉ #fosslinux

May 30 03:02

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosslinux.com | Top 10 video downloaders for Firefox | FOSS Linux

May 30 03:02

techrights-bot

Linux 5.14 To Feature Enhanced Support For #MikroTik 10G/25G NIC - Phoronix ⚓ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MikroTik-10G-25G-NIC-Linux-5.14 ䷉ #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux 🐧 | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/05/30/#latest

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux 5.14 To Feature Enhanced Support For MikroTik 10G/25G NIC - Phoronix

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts

techrights-ipfs

☞ Gemini requests since start of month: 138925 total • Total pages: 35718 • Active: active (running) since Fri 2021-03-26 00:17:05 GMT; 2 months 4 days ago

techrights-ipfs

☞ IPFS local node stats (past 23 hours) calculated. TotalIn: 2.2 GB • TotalOut: 606 MB

techrights-ipfs

☞ New daily bulletin just generated. It is about to be added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with CID

techrights-ipfs

QmUPkoTNKgFCjjDaND9C57Xuicpo1N1GphCnRbEs1JtQGr

May 30 03:06

techrights-bot

#RemoteDesktop with #GNULinux : 5 Apps Which You Can Use • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151737 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

May 30 03:07

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Remote Desktop with Linux: 5 Apps Which You Can Use | Tux Machines

May 30 03:07

techrights-bot

"Last year, I took a look at a new Linux distro called Archcraft OS on camera. I trashed Archcraft on that video due to it being virtually unusable due to some insanely small font sizes that caused me pain just looking at it." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qSeZ7ET7PQ

May 30 03:08

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-New Release of Archcraft OS. Will It Change My Mind? - YouTube

May 30 03:08

techrights-bot

#Bitmapflow helps artists generate inbetweens for animated sprites https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/05/bitmapflow-helps-artists-generate-inbetweens-for-animated-sprites it is #freesw

May 30 03:09

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bitmapflow helps artists generate inbetweens for animated sprites | GamingOnLinux

May 30 03:09

techrights-bot

"I did some initial testing quite some months ago for the developer, to ensure their standalone #GNU #Linux builds were working correctly and it seems to hold up nicely in this release." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/05/retro-commander-is-a-q4x-post-apocalyptic-rtsq-that-now-has-an-alpha-available

May 30 03:10

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Retro Commander is a "4X post-apocalyptic RTS" that now has an Alpha available | GamingOnLinux

May 30 03:10

techrights-bot

"Ten years ago I began the olduse.net exhibit, spooling out Usenet history in real time with a 30 year delay. My archive has reached its end, and ten years is more than long enough to keep running something you cobbled together overnight way back when. So, this is the end for olduse.net." http://joeyh.name/blog/entry/the_end_of_the_olduse.net_exhibit/

May 30 03:12

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joeyh.name | the end of the olduse.net exhibit

May 30 03:12

techrights-bot

#PCLinuxOS Latest http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147392#comment-29785

May 30 03:17

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Distribution Release: PCLinuxOS 2021.02 | Tux Machines

May 30 03:17

techrights-bot

#KDE Plasma 5.22 Faster For #NVIDIA + #Wayland, More Crash Fixes http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151725#comment-29786

May 30 03:19

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | This week in KDE: performance improvements galore | Tux Machines

May 30 03:19

techrights-ipfs

▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▅▆▇▅▆▃▅▆▁▂▅▅▆▆▅▆▆▆▆▅▆▆▆▆▃▅▆▅▇▅▆▅▆▇▁ avg(k/sec) 27.75 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▃▂▂▁▂▂█▁▁▃▂▂▂▂▂▂▃▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▁▁▂▂▂▂▁ avg(k/sec) 35.56▕ swarm size (avg): 234.27 ⟲

May 30 03:20

techrights-bot

#Games : Bitmapflow, Retro Commander, and Valve • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151738 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #gaming

May 30 03:21

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Bitmapflow, Retro Commander, and Valve | Tux Machines

May 30 03:21

techrights-bot

Is #Gentoo Linux an anachronism? • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151739 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

May 30 03:27

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Is Gentoo Linux an anachronism? | Tux Machines

May 30 03:27

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May 30 03:28

techrights-bot

#ALTLinux 9.1 "Simply" is out. #gnu #linux #russia https://en.altlinux.org/Simply_Linux_9#9.1

May 30 03:29

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.altlinux.org | Simply Linux 9 - ALT Linux Wiki

May 30 03:29

Ariadne

i'll turn it on

May 30 03:32

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May 30 03:33

techrights-bot

" #Bootlin has been offering for several years a Buildroot system development course, which allows engineers interested in learning and understanding the Buildroot embedded Linux build system to get up to speed very quickly." https://bootlin.com/blog/bootlin-buildroot-system-development-course-updated-to-buildroot-2021-02/

May 30 03:33

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bootlin "Buildroot system development" course updated to Buildroot 2021.02 - Bootlin's blog

May 30 03:33

techrights-bot

Hardware assisted root of trust mechanism and coreboot internals https://9esec.io/blog/hardware-assisted-root-of-trust-mechanism-and-coreboot-internals/ #corebot

May 30 03:35

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-9esec.io | Hardware assisted root of trust mechanism and coreboot internals

May 30 03:35

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May 30 03:45

techrights-bot

#Slashdot joins #Microsoft #greenwashing propaganda in 'Linux' clothing http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151593#comment-29787 sickening and maddening. This is #corruption of the Linux brand

May 30 03:46

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Foundation Working for Microsoft and GitHub Now | Tux Machines

May 30 03:46

MinceR

thx

May 30 03:47

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May 30 03:51

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May 30 04:00

techrights-ipfs

▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▅▆▇▇▆▆▅▇▆▆▆▆▂▆▇▆▅▅▅▅▆▄▃▂▆▅▅▅▃▄▁ avg(k/sec) 29.56 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▂▂▂▂▃▃▂▃▂▂▂▂▃▁▃▂▃▂▃▁▂▃▂▁▂▁▁█▂▃▁▂▂▂▁▁ avg(k/sec) 21.63▕ swarm size (avg): 234.36 ⟲

May 30 04:18

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May 30 05:10

techrights-ipfs

▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▆▄▇▅▆▃▄▃▆▅▅▆▆▅▅▆▅▃▅▆▆▇▅▅▁▆▃▆▄▅▇▃▄▁ avg(k/sec) 53.30 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▃▁▂▁▂▁▁▂█▄▁▂▂█▃▄▁▃▂▃▂▂█▂▁▂▄▂▁▂▁ avg(k/sec) 67.96▕ swarm size (avg): 234.41 ⟲

May 30 05:17

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May 30 05:26

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May 30 05:31

techrights-ipfs

▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▇▅▆▄▆▇▄▆▆▂▃▅▅▆▇▇▂▃▂▅▄▆▆▅▁▃▅▄▄▆▅▆▇▅▁ avg(k/sec) 25.40 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▃▃█▂▂▃▃▃█▃▃▁▂▂▂▁▂▁▂▂▁▂▂▂▃▇▁▃▁▁▂▂▃▂▃▁ avg(k/sec) 30.38▕ swarm size (avg): 234.46 ⟲

May 30 06:17

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May 30 06:38

tessier

What is that ipfs thing?

May 30 07:15

techrights-ipfs

▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▆▆▆▇▅▃▄▃▂▆▅▆▆▂▄▆▆▁▆▅▆▇▅▅▄▇▇▆▄▆▁ avg(k/sec) 28.45 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▂▂▂▃▂▃█▃▂█▃▁▂▃▃█▁▂▂▂▃█▂▂▁▄▂▂▁▃▂▂▂▂▃▁ avg(k/sec) 26.88▕ swarm size (avg): 234.52 ⟲

May 30 07:17

tessier

IPFS has been around for 6 years and hasn't gotten much traction yet?

May 30 07:34

tessier

The past few years of personal distractions have put me so far behind. :(

May 30 07:35

techrights-bot

#Techrights Bulletin for Saturday, May 29, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives

techrights-bot

#Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index

schestowitz

techrights-bot: it helps distribute site content in a p2p fashion, there are many nodes now, I think hundreds of thousands

May 30 07:55

schestowitz

tessier: ^

May 30 07:56

schestowitz__

:-D

May 30 07:56

schestowitz__

today I'll code some stuff to make the logging work right

May 30 07:57

techrights-bot

Gemini reverse proxy https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006592.html #nginx #geminiprotocol #internet

May 30 08:00

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | [tech] Gemini reverse proxy

May 30 08:00

techrights-bot

● NEWS ● #uniToronto ☞ Less can filter what it shows to you (a thing I recently learned) https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/sysadmin/LessFilteringLines

May 30 08:01

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-utcc.utoronto.ca | Chris's Wiki :: blog/sysadmin/LessFilteringLines

May 30 08:01

techrights-bot

● NEWS ● #MeshedInsights #Licensing ☞ Don’t Call It Relicensing! https://meshedinsights.com/2021/05/27/dont-call-it-relicensing/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meshedinsights.com | Don’t Call It Relicensing! | Meshed Insights Ltd

techrights-bot

● NEWS ● #TimesHigherEducation #OpenAccess ☞ Academics must become more engaged in the open access struggle https://www.timeshighereducation.com/blog/academics-must-become-more-engaged-open-access-struggle

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.timeshighereducation.com | Academics must become more engaged in the open access struggle | Times Higher Education (THE)

techrights-bot

● NEWS ● #FunctionalProgramming #Programming ☞ Patterns in Functional Programming https://patternsinfp.wordpress.com/2021/05/10/the-genuine-sieve-of-eratosthenes/

May 30 08:03

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patternsinfp.wordpress.com | The Genuine Sieve of Eratosthenes | Patterns in Functional Programming

May 30 08:03

techrights-bot

Simple ways to do a service discovery in Linux | FOSS Linux ⚓ https://www.fosslinux.com/46763/service-discovery-linux.htm ䷉ #fosslinux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/05/30/#latest

May 30 08:05

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosslinux.com | Simple ways to do a service discovery in Linux | FOSS Linux

May 30 08:05

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts

May 30 08:05

techrights-bot

● NEWS ● #TheVerge ☞ US soldiers reportedly leaked nuclear info online accidentally, by using flashcard apps https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/29/22459869/us-soldiers-leaked-nuclear-info-online-flashcard-apps

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | US soldiers reportedly leaked nuclear info online accidentally, by using flashcard apps - The Verge

techrights-bot

● NEWS ● #Vice ☞ U.S. Military Personnel Spilled Nuclear Secrets in Online Flashcards https://www.vice.com/en/article/v7ebmd/us-military-personnel-spilled-nuclear-secrets-in-online-flashcards

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.vice.com | U.S. Military Personnel Spilled Nuclear Secrets in Online Flashcards

techrights-bot

● NEWS ● #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights ☞ #Nintendo Wins $2.1 Million Judgment Against Pirate Site Operator https://torrentfreak.com/nintendo-wins-2-1-million-judgment-against-pirate-site-operator-210529/

May 30 08:07

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Nintendo Wins $2.1 Million Judgment Against Pirate Site Operator * TorrentFreak

May 30 08:07

techrights-bot

#billgates has long bribed NPR. Now #microsoft does the same! "Editor's Note: Both Microsoft and Constant Contact are financial supporters of NPR." https://text.npr.org/1001367629 iophk: Microsoft is not an authority on secure design nor incidence response

May 30 08:16

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-text.npr.org | What Microsoft Officials Know About Russia's Phishing Hack Targeting USAID

May 30 08:16

techrights-ipfs

▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▇▆▅▄▅▆▅▆▅▅▂▅▆▃▄▆▅▇▃▁▆▅▅▄▅▆▆▆▄▆▅▇▁ avg(k/sec) 28.81 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▃▂▂▂▂▂▃▁▂█▂▂▃▃▃▂▃▂▅█▃▂▃▃▂▂▁▂▁▂▁▁▂▂▂▁ avg(k/sec) 33.01▕ swarm size (avg): 234.58 ⟲

May 30 08:17

techrights-bot

At least there's more honesty now about #microsoft bribing the media. And now just through ads. #npr = bought, compromised.

May 30 08:17

techrights-bot

● NEWS ● #KrebsOnSecurity #Security ☞ Using Fake Reviews to Find Dangerous Extensions https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/05/using-fake-reviews-to-find-dangerous-extensions/

May 30 08:18

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-krebsonsecurity.com | Using Fake Reviews to Find Dangerous Extensions – Krebs on Security

May 30 08:18

techrights-bot

#sweden 'sold' to tax evader #microsoft https://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=da&u=https://www.version2.dk/artikel/skat-forsvarer-brug-teams-paahviler-enkelte-medarbejder-at-behandle-oplysninger-sikkert?utm_medium=feed&utm_source=www.version2.dk see #epo also http://techrights.org/2021/03/22/epoleaks-report-march-2021-finale/

May 30 08:20

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-translate.google.com | Google Translate

May 30 08:20

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law — Summing Up: EPO Administrative Council Still Asleep at the Wheel | Techrights

May 30 08:20

techrights-bot

● NEWS ● #CNBC #Privacy #Surveillance ☞ #Tesla starts using cabin cameras to make sure drivers are paying attention https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/28/tesla-starts-using-cabin-cameras-for-driver-monitoring.html

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnbc.com | Tesla starts using cabin cameras for driver monitoring

techrights-bot

● NEWS ● #DigitalMusicNews #Privacy #Surveillance ☞ Is #TikTok Safe for Kids? European Commission Investigating Violations of Child Protection Laws https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2021/05/28/tiktok-safe-for-kids-european-commission/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 520 @ https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2021/05/28/tiktok-safe-for-kids-european-commission/ )

techrights-bot

● NEWS ● #PrivacyInternational #Privacy #Surveillance ☞ In conversation with Edward @Snowden https://privacyinternational.org/video/4519/conversation-edward-snowden

May 30 08:24

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-privacyinternational.org | In conversation with Edward Snowden | Privacy International

May 30 08:24

techrights-bot

#Google #Android Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151740 #Linux #TuxMachines

May 30 08:29

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines

May 30 08:29

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May 30 08:35

schestowitz__

this is the machine I use to see changes in IRC, will add the backup logger now (in case of reboots etc.)

May 30 08:35

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the logger

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● NEWS ● #NewYorkTimes #Energy ☞ A Big #Climate Problem With Few Easy Solutions: Planes https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/28/business/energy-environment/airlines-climate-planes-emissions.html

May 30 08:42

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Flying and Climate: Airlines Under Pressure to Cut Emissions - The New York Times

May 30 08:42

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● NEWS ● #TheVerge #Monopolies ☞ Why on Earth did #Amazon spend $8 billion on a zombie studio? https://www.theverge.com/22458734/amazon-mgm-8-billion-prime-video-streaming

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Amazon’s $8 billion bet on MGM won’t make Prime Video the new Netflix - The Verge

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● NEWS ● #Inkl #Monopolies ☞ #Amazon had sales income of €44bn in Europe in 2020 but paid no corporation tax https://www.inkl.com/news/amazon-had-sales-income-of-44bn-in-europe-in-2020-but-paid-no-corporation-tax

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-inkl - Amazon had sales income of €44bn in Europe in 2020 but paid no corporation tax - The Guardian - UK

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#richardStallman #RMS is giving a talk tomorrow. 8:00pm São Paulo, Brazil (BRT) https://stallman.org/live/ #gnu #fsf #freesw

May 30 09:14

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | Live de Segunda #80 - Uma conversa com Richard Stallman - May 31, 2021

May 30 09:14

techrights-bot

#manchesterCity #ChampionsLeague http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/Sixth-Wedding-Anniversary/Champions-League

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Champions League

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● NEWS ● #DigitalMusicNews #Copyrights #Copyright ☞ Robert Plant Wants His Personal Archives Released for Free After His Death https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2021/05/27/robert-plant-personal-archives/

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▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▃▄▆▄▄▅▅▄▅▃▄▅▇▆▅▄▄▄▆▄▃▇▅▄▅▆▆▅▆▂▅▇▆▅▆▁ avg(k/sec) 24.20 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▂▁▂▂▂▁▁▂▁▁▂▂▃▁▂▂▁▁█▂▄▂▂▂▂▂▃▂█▂▂▂▃▂▁ avg(k/sec) 55.68▕ swarm size (avg): 234.62 ⟲

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● NEWS ● #TruthOut #patents #patent #monopolies ☞ The #WorldTradeOrganization Is Threatening Vaccine Equity and Climate Goals https://truthout.org/articles/the-world-trade-organization-is-threatening-vaccine-equity-and-climate-goals/

May 30 09:26

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | The World Trade Organization Is Threatening Vaccine Equity and Climate Goals

May 30 09:26

techrights-bot

Unregulated #Cryptocurrency Bubble Could Send the Economy Into a Tailspin https://truthout.org/articles/unregulated-cryptocurrency-bubble-could-send-the-economy-into-a-tailspin/ hahahaha! As if banks were ever truly regulated!!!!! And look how they keep crashing economies... for profits and bonuses

May 30 09:27

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Unregulated Cryptocurrency Bubble Could Send the Economy Into a Tailspin

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schestowitz__

rianne is also on the network now

May 30 10:09

schestowitz__

MinceR: now both networks log to the corresponding files

May 30 10:15

schestowitz

MinceR: ignore ( freenode test )

schestowitz__

/.xchat2/xchatlogs$ tail -n 10 FreeNode-#techrights.log | grep Mince

schestowitz__

May 30 10:15:09 <schestowitz__> MinceR: now both networks log to the corresponding files

schestowitz__

May 30 10:16:20 <schestowitz> MinceR: ignore ( freenode test )

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schestowitz

MinceR: now there is duality

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schestowitz

best of both worlds

schestowitz

freenode+self-hosted

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schestowitz

+matrix bridge

May 30 10:26

schestowitz

that way

May 30 10:26

schestowitz

+kiwi (irc) etc.

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May 30 10:28

schestowitz__

hi kingoffrance

kingoffrance

schestowitz__

I am doing tests today

schestowitz__

we got past the fusion barriers

schestowitz__

now it's the case that no single network being offline would disrupt communications

May 30 10:34

kingoffrance

yeah, if its bridged i might just away in here, but nice to have no single point of failure

May 30 10:36

kn\

May 30 10:39

kn\

is there anything I can help with

May 30 10:39

schestowitz__

this is also troll-free

May 30 10:40

schestowitz__

for now..

May 30 10:40

schestowitz__

the s/n ratio was not good in the main channel

May 30 10:40

schestowitz

seems like IRC is maturing now

May 30 10:41

schestowitz

I hope that the work on bridging across network would progress, to improve decentralisation

May 30 10:43

schestowitz

would be a better IRC selling point then selling companies, "get off slack, go to this other private network instead"

May 30 10:43

schestowitz

there must be hundreds of millions of users on those proprietary messaging systems

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#freesw #dk #denmark https://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=da&u=https://www.version2.dk/blog/nyt-iso-9000-foss-projekter-1092693?utm_medium=feed&utm_source=www.version2.dk

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May 30 10:57

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-translate.google.com | Google Translate

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techrights-bot

#JURI / Committee on Legal Affairs https://multimedia.europarl.europa.eu/en/committee-on-legal-affairs_20210527-0900-COMMITTEE-JURI_vd?start=20210527082103&end=20210527092114 recent: http://techrights.org/2021/04/12/lying-to-juri/

May 30 10:58

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-multimedia.europarl.europa.eu | Committee on Legal Affairs - Multimedia Centre

May 30 10:58

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO President Campinos Lying to JURI | Techrights

May 30 10:58

techrights-bot

"Bloomberg today released a report on how companies like #Apple, #Microsoft, #Amazon and #Google are working together to" kill the planet with pollution just to protect their revenues and screw the public at large, not just the planet https://gruene.social/@norbert/106317304902632073

May 30 11:00

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Norbert Tretkowski: ""Bloomberg today released a report on how compani…" - gruene.social

May 30 11:00

techrights-bot

"Just published Google lawsuit evidence indicates that like always retained users' location data, even if disabled in user interface, to the extent that its own employees flashed LineageOS on their phones to avoid tracking." https://social.privacytools.io/@kravietz/106315132325241325

May 30 11:01

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-social.privacytools.io | kravietz 🦇: "Just published Google lawsuit evidence indicates …" - Mastodon 🔐 privacytools.io

May 30 11:01

techrights-bot

"Today on Twitter Can’t Count: Twitter ended up following two more people for me. One of whom had no followers while I was apparently following them. These are the systems folks trust to filter reality for them, eh?" https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral/106319508069203805 http://techrights.org/2021/02/05/twitter-censorship-bingo/

May 30 11:03

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.ar.al | Aral Balkan: "Today on Twitter Can’t Count: Twitter ended up fo…" - Aral’s Mastodon

May 30 11:03

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Twitter Has Just Suspended the President of FFII for Naming Bill Gates Patent Profiteering and Factual Information About Twitter Censorship (Updated) | Techrights

May 30 11:03

techrights-bot

"First of all, your social media apps are not listening to you. This is a conspiracy theory. It's been debunked over and over again. But frankly they don't need to because everything else you give them unthinkingly is way cheaper and way more powerful." https://nitter.fdn.fr/RobertGReeve/status/1397038375840985089

May 30 11:04

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.fdn.fr | Robert G. Reeve (@RobertGReeve): "So. They know my mom's toothpaste. They know I was at my mom's. They know my Twitter. Now I get Twitter ads for mom's toothpaste. Your data isn't just about you. It's about how it can be used against every person you know, and people you don't. To shape behavior unconsciously." | FDNitter

May 30 11:04

techrights-bot

“Linux is about freedom. It’s about the little guy sticking it to the big guy.” Meanwhile, The Linux Foundation board of directors…https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral/106312430968741972 see http://techrights.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation LF is NOT freedom. Linux is NOT, either. http://techrights.org/2020/11/09/thomas-grzybowski-on-freesw/

May 30 11:05

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.ar.al | Aral Balkan: "“Linux is about freedom. It’s about the little gu…" - Aral’s Mastodon

May 30 11:06

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation - Techrights

May 30 11:06

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Free Software Freedom is Not Linux | Techrights

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techrights-bot

Configuring #Vim as a Writing Tool - It's FOSS News ⚓ https://news.itsfoss.com/configuring-vim-writing/ ䷉ #news | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/05/30/#latest

May 30 11:11

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.itsfoss.com | Configuring Vim as a Writing Tool - It's FOSS News

May 30 11:11

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts

May 30 11:11

techrights-bot

#Bottles on #GNU #Linux to run Windows Applications- A GUI interface for Wine ⚓ https://www.how2shout.com/linux/bottles-on-linux-to-run-windows-applications-a-gui-interface-for-wine/ ䷉ #how2shout | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/05/30/#latest

May 30 11:15

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.how2shout.com | Bottles on Linux to run Windows Applications- A GUI interface for Wine

May 30 11:15

techrights-ipfs

▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▅▆▃▇▅▅▆▃▃▄▂▆▆▆▇▇▆▆▄▅▅▁▁▅▅▃▄▆▅▆▆▇▄▁ avg(k/sec) 25.81 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▂▂▂▂▁▂▂▂▁▁▁▂▃▂▂▂▁▂▂▁▂▂▃█▇▂▂▁▂▃▁▂▂▁▁ avg(k/sec) 24.35▕ swarm size (avg): 234.66 ⟲

May 30 11:17

techrights-bot

"Realistically, the external members should be in a majority so that they can outvote the career-minded EPO employees." http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/05/breaking-oral-proceedings-in-g121-vico.html?showComment=1622315421458#c3346789824740258230 see http://techrights.org/2021/05/29/antonio-campinos-needs-to-step-down/

May 30 11:18

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | BREAKING: Oral proceedings in G1/21 (ViCo) rescheduled due to procedural technicality - The IPKat

May 30 11:18

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | President of the Boards of Appeal and His ‘Handler’ António Campinos Need to Step Down to Save the EPO | Techrights

May 30 11:18

techrights-bot

"What is at stake in G 1/21 is no more than an EPO 2.0 which is not covered by the EPC as it stands! It is not merely whether you can sit comfortably in your UK office when there is an OP, but it is about a total reshaping of the EPO." I.e. it's about whether #epo can break ALL laws and GET AWAY with it. http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/05/breaking-oral-proceedings-in-g121-vico.html?showComment=1622317758784#c3045583

May 30 11:19

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | BREAKING: Oral proceedings in G1/21 (ViCo) rescheduled due to procedural technicality - The IPKat

May 30 11:19

techrights-bot

𝕋𝕖𝕔𝕙𝕣𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕤 #IRC Proceedings: Saturday, May 29, 2021 • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/05/30/irc-log-290521/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/05/30/irc-log-290521/

May 30 11:21

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Saturday, May 29, 2021 | Techrights

May 30 11:21

techrights-bot

Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151741 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

May 30 11:22

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines

May 30 11:22

techrights-bot

Today's project: we consider making a multi-machine (several locations worldwide) gemini capsule, where one DNS entry branches off to several entries, with instances or mirrors well distributed for resilience (HA), as it might make #techrights the world's first clustered gemini capsule, not just the biggest one

May 30 11:36

techrights-bot

...We've moreover engineered #techrights IRC to avoid "single point of failure"; if one network has downtime we're still live and partly self-hosted. Just partly. #IRC deserves mass appeal; we need to replace crap like Slack, M'Sloth Teams, and other #surveillanceCapitalism bloat/IRC copycats.

May 30 11:38

techrights-bot

When it comes to videos/audio (multimedia in general) #techrights has been self-hosting since 2006, so we never lost anything. Nothing got censored, either. http://techrights.org/videos.html

May 30 11:40

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full Videos Listing

May 30 11:40

techrights-bot

#EPO nets BILLIONS of euros and cannot even afford to hire a couple of engineers to build/maintain its infra for ~7000 workers? To the point of outsourcing everything to a foreign country and to #Microsoft h How many bribes were received and who pocketed those? #kickbacks #corruption #gdpr http://techrights.org/2021/03/22/epoleaks-report-march-2021-finale/

May 30 11:41

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law — Summing Up: EPO Administrative Council Still Asleep at the Wheel | Techrights

May 30 11:41

techrights-bot

"By giving the majority in the EBA to external members, some people, names need not be given, would loose control of the EBA/BA as the external members most probably do not care about not being re-appointed." #epo #corruption #injustice #kangaroocourts http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/05/breaking-oral-proceedings-in-g121-vico.html?showComment=1622365768648#c6470883968457747269

May 30 11:47

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | BREAKING: Oral proceedings in G1/21 (ViCo) rescheduled due to procedural technicality - The IPKat

May 30 11:47

techrights-bot

Cult members would quque up for a week! https://www.phonearena.com/news/Mysterious-Apple-Ring-patent-appears_id130671 #apple #patents #cult #NotSatire #ButFunny

May 30 11:49

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mysterious Apple Ring patent appears - PhoneArena

May 30 11:49

techrights-bot

Cult members would queue up for a week! https://www.phonearena.com/news/Mysterious-Apple-Ring-patent-appears_id130671 #apple #patents #cult #NotSatire #ButFunny

May 30 11:49

techrights-bot

"When one sees the number of patents revoked or severely limited in opposition because the grant procedure is flawed, it becomes alarming. Just look at the published decisions and draw your conclusions. As only 5% of patents are opposed, when you extrapolate to all the grants it is daunting!" #epo #fakepatents http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/05/breaking-oral-proceedings-in-g121-vico.html?showComment=1622365768648#c6

May 30 11:50

techrights-bot

"It is a scandal that members of the BA can only be reappointed if they have shown a given "performance". The criteria are still non-public.This is also scandalous!" http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/05/breaking-oral-proceedings-in-g121-vico.html?showComment=1622365768648#c6470883968457747269 see http://techrights.org/2021/05/26/outline-g121-and-beyond/

May 30 11:52

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Outline of Recent EPO Series: Kangaroo Courts, German Government Complicity, and Gross Privacy Violations by Unaccountable Officials | Techrights

May 30 11:52

techrights-bot

What a ripoff! You'd be better off assembling an array of low-cost and low-powered machines, pertinent units connected for maybe a tenth the cost. https://www.kotaku.com.au/2021/05/you-are-nothing-compared-to-this-30000-goliath-pc/

May 30 11:58

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.kotaku.com.au | You Are Nothing Compared To This $30,000 PC

May 30 11:58

techrights-bot

No! #SUSE is NOT "free software distributor" but a #proprietarysoftware reseller that uses its platform for #openwashing of things https://techhq.com/2021/04/suse-the-free-software-distributor-worth-e7bn/ see for example http://techrights.org/2020/08/05/suse-is-still-helping-microsoft/

May 30 11:59

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Meet the free software distributor that is worth €7bn - TechHQ

May 30 11:59

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | SUSE is Still Pushing Microsoft Proprietary Software and Bragging About the Novell Patent Collusion With Microsoft | Techrights

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Alleged #HarmonyOS update list reveals first batch of #Huawei devices migrating to the platform http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151611#comment-29788

May 30 12:04

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | HarmonyOS is now been confirmed to launch in early June | Tux Machines

May 30 12:04

techrights-bot

#ProprietarySoftware #microsoft #windows #ransom #insecureByDesign https://www.tacomadailyindex.com/blog/ransomware-and-hacking/2450314/

May 30 12:05

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tacomadailyindex.com | Ransomware and hacking | Tacoma Daily Index

May 30 12:05

techrights-bot

#HeyHi #censorship #facebook https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/05/28/facebook-palestinian-censorship/

May 30 12:06

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com | Palestinian groups decry glitches by social media companies/claim long history of censorship by social media companies - The Washington Post

May 30 12:07

techrights-bot

In 2021 "HEY HI" just means "computer" or "program" or something with 'logic' in it https://www.fastcompany.com/90641049/google-education-classroom-ai

May 30 12:08

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fastcompany.com | Google's AI plans make its education dominance more alarming

May 30 12:08

techrights-bot

#BetaNews got the #IRC story all wrong, as usual. Clickbait instead of information.

May 30 12:09

techrights-bot

Amazing if #google can get VOLUNTEERS to be unpaid testers for #ProprietarySoftware that spies on people and helps Google monopolise the Web... https://www.androidpolice.com/2021/05/28/chrome-labs-makes-it-easy-to-try-out-upcoming-browser-features/

May 30 12:11

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidpolice.com | Chrome Labs makes it easy to try out upcoming browser features

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https://www.notebookcheck.net/Fancy-the-2021-M1-iPad-Pro-with-8-GB-or-16-GB-RAM-Current-iPadOS-limits-potential-by-allowing-just-5-GB-memory-for-third-party-apps.541367.0.html

alextee[m]

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fancy the 2021 M1 iPad Pro with 8 GB or 16 GB RAM? Current iPadOS limits potential by allowing just 5 GB memory for third-party apps - NotebookCheck.net News

techrights-bot

Outsourcing to #microsoft #ProprietarySoftware and to #NSA PRISM. Yay. Let THAT inspire confidence :-) https://www.techradar.com/in/news/have-i-been-pwned-is-now-open-source

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Have I Been Pwned is now open source | TechRadar

schestowitz

alextee[m]: lol

schestowitz

bloatfest

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schestowitz

my gemini browsers are like 2 MB of RAM

schestowitz

IRC maybe 8MB

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alextee[m]

audio/video editing apps may actually need more than 5GB if you're doing anything serious

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alextee[m]

not sure if anyone expects to do serious work on iPad though

schestowitz

exactly

schestowitz

video processing is usually the caveat

schestowitz

but few who buy those things will process 50,000 frames

schestowitz

some will just browser a web site and sent email

alextee[m]

I can see 5GB getting filled by the browser lol

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schestowitz

because of the second tab of Slack or something

schestowitz

"did you say 5MB of RAM?"

schestowitz

"no I said GB"

alextee[m]

yeah any javascript in-browser app basically

schestowitz

OK, chat takes 22mb at the moment

schestowitz

on 10+ channels

schestowitz

and long long scrollback

schestowitz

we need to push simple and light

schestowitz

no "home-phoning"

schestowitz

but the question is, how can we explain that without the multi-billion marketing budgets?

*alextee[m] uploaded an image: (254KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/YNbsbkZaJZpqnYWvbqwwJptS/Screenshot%20from%202021-05-30%2012-18-55.png >

schestowitz

that are derived from selling people's minds, mining their data

alextee[m]

not sure how to read this

schestowitz

seems like child processes, alextee[m]

schestowitz

put it in tree mode

alextee[m]

oooooh this is neat!!

XRevan86

alextee[m]: Seems like ye got Fission

schestowitz

pstree

schestowitz

or: # ps -aef --forest

schestowitz

roy 18483 18482 0 May15 ? 00:08:15 \_ konsole --fullscreen -e /home/roy/menu.sh

alextee[m]

nice, TIL

schestowitz

roy 18487 18483 0 May15 pts/18 00:00:00 \_ /bin/bash /home/roy/menu.sh

schestowitz

roy 18494 18487 1 May15 pts/18 03:55:52 \_ konqueror https://joindiaspora.com/mentions

schestowitz

roy 18512 18494 0 May15 pts/18 00:00:00 \_ /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/libexec/QtWebEngineProcess --type=zygote --lang=en-GB

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-JoinDiaspora* - Sign in

schestowitz

roy 18574 18512 5 May15 pts/18 21:47:01 \_ /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/libexec/QtWebEngineProcess --type=renderer --disable-gpu-memory-buffer-video-fram

schestowitz

to gibe an example

schestowitz

*give

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schestowitz

different processes, but all tied together

XRevan86

alextee[m]: https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2021/05/18/introducing-site-isolation-in-firefox/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Introducing Site Isolation in Firefox - Mozilla Security Blog

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alextee[m]

XRevan86: that sounds really good, separating the processes

May 30 12:23

alextee[m]

are there any drawbacks to using fission? XRevan86

XRevan86

alextee[m]: memory overhead, as usual

techrights-bot

Outsourced to #Microsoft #monopoly that is #proprietarysoftware cage (in effect) https://venturebeat.com/2021/05/28/password-breach-service-have-i-been-pwned-goes-open-source/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Password breach service Have I Been Pwned goes open source | VentureBeat

techrights-bot

"This list will mostly include common software that Github hosts. It may or may not be possible or desirable to boycott all projects that continue to develop and host with Github-- this list is for people who want to take Microsoft's control of repos into consideration when choosing what software to rely on." http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Delete_Github

May 30 12:26

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Delete Github - Techrights

May 30 12:26

alextee[m]

i personally just keep mirrors on github and redirect people outside to report bugs or send patches

alextee[m]

some people use the github sponsors thing so that's another incentive to keep it for me

techrights-bot

#Certbot also needs to #deletegithub ... it's NOT suitable hosting for #privacy and #security projects because #microsoft = NSA PRISM and more (worse programs not leaked yet) https://www.eff.org/pages/certbot

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | Certbot | Electronic Frontier Foundation

techrights-bot

What next in the tussle between government and #socialcontrolmedia firms? https://thefederal.com/opinion/what-next-in-the-tussle-between-government-and-digital-media-firms/ And why the very freedom of expression in India is at stake

May 30 12:30

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thefederal.com | What next in the tussle between government and social media firms? - The Federal

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'Facebook recently adopted a new controversial privacy policy for WhatsApp. Under it, the country would not track the personal messages of WhatsApp users, but would track the messages on commercial transactions and use the collected personal data for advertisement purposes." https://thefederal.com/opinion/what-next-in-the-tussle-between-government-and-digital-media-firms/

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#Facebook battles reputation crisis in the #MiddleEast ⚓ https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/facebook-battles-reputation-crisis-middle-east-n1269026 ䷉ #nbcnews #zuckerPAC | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/05/30/#latest

May 30 12:37

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nbcnews.com | Facebook battles reputation crisis in the Middle East

May 30 12:37

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts

May 30 12:37

schestowitz

different processes, but all tied together[12:27] <alextee[m]> some people use the github sponsors thing so that's another incentive to keep it for me

schestowitz

Microsoft as a bank

schestowitz

and financial gatekeeper over Free software

schestowitz

to me, collectively it's a risk

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schestowitz

we are letting them get their way: http://techrights.org/2020/06/15/confessions-of-scott-guthrie/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Story About Microsoft’s Plan for GitHub Says a Lot About the Motivations and the Lies Told to Us for Over Half a Decade | Techrights

schestowitz

they try to control their competition

schestowitz

frankly, I think they fell behind

schestowitz

like with Skype and LinkedIn

schestowitz

most people went elsewhere

schestowitz

some stayed...for a while

http://techrights.org/2021/01/24/fleeing-github/

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft: The Year After We Bought GitHub There Was a Significant Decline in Number of New Projects on GitHub | Techrights

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techrights-bot

This could be the most powerful #GNU #Linux laptop yet http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151387#comment-29789 #de #germany

May 30 12:44

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | TUXEDO’s Latest Linux Laptop is All About the Screen | Tux Machines

May 30 12:44

techrights-bot

Trolls as tyrants. And media even entertains their obvious TROLLING. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-belarus-politics-email-idUSKCN2D81HN

May 30 12:46

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bomb threat cited by Belarus was sent after plane was diverted - Swiss email provider | Reuters

May 30 12:46

alextee[m]

<schestowitz "to me, collectively it's a risk"> I'm not naive enough to have it as an only/main donation option but yeah a lot of people use it as their main donation source and that's just giving up more control to microsoft

techrights-bot

#microsoft is not compatible with the #law either. It needs to go bankrupt https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/were-just-not-compatible-any-more-why-microsoft-finally-dumped-internet-explorer-9664771.html see http://techrights.org/2021/03/17/epoleaks-report-march-2021-part-12/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-We’re just not compatible any more: why Microsoft finally dumped Internet Explorer- Technology News, Firstpost

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law — Part XII: Foreign Corrupt Practices, Bid Rigging and “Slush Funds” | Techrights

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techrights-bot

#Fuchsia is just OSPS like Chrom* and we need to mostly shun it. It's not for us, it's just for #google #monopoly https://www.infoq.com/news/2021/05/google-fuchsia-net-hub/

May 30 12:51

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.infoq.com | Google Fuchsia Debuts on the Google Nest Hub

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techrights-bot

I see some 'articles' with totally fabricated (make believe!) history and revisionist nonsense about #microsoft but I suppose it should be expected in the era of #corruptMedia (PR in 'news' clothing, for a fee)

May 30 12:53

techrights-bot

OUCH OUCH OUCH! Birmingham University calls a college after "Thomas J. Watson" https://www.binghamton.edu/news/story/3082/computer-science-department-celebrates-research-new-faculty-for-2020-21 don't pay tribute to Nazis: http://techrights.org/2021/04/25/ibm-germany-history/

May 30 12:57

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.binghamton.edu | Computer Science Department celebrates research, new faculty for 2020-21 | Binghamton News

May 30 12:57

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Documentary: IBM Founder (Watson) Gave a Nazi Salute, Admired Hitler, Said Hitler Was Doing the Right Thing | Techrights

May 30 12:57

saint_dogbert

Honestly, anyone thats studied the events leading up to WW2 isn't surprised by that... many companies supported Germany. Some even played both sides against the middle and laughed all the way to the bank

May 30 13:00

techrights-bot

Significant Progress in Testing of ‘Fully Decentralized’ IOTA Announced https://beincrypto.com/progress-in-fully-decentralized-iota-announced/

May 30 13:01

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Significant Progress in Testing of 'Fully Decentralized' IOTA Announced - BeInCrypto

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techrights-bot

"The Central IP Service of the European Commission has published a vacancy for a "Legal officer - Intellectual Property"" (basically a misleading propaganda term) http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/05/sunday-surprises_30.html #EuropeanCommission on #patents : http://techrights.org/2020/12/01/the-breton-coverup/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Sunday Surprises - The IPKat

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | European Commission’s Thierry Breton Covers Up EPO Corruption For His Friend Benoît Battistelli | Techrights

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techrights-bot

#Patents Accessibility Review identifies barriers to small inventors https://www.industry.gov.au/news/patents-accessibility-review-identifies-barriers-to-small-inventors the system needs to be overhauled, redone

May 30 13:05

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techrights-bot

Time traveller Cory @Doctorow sends his wishes from utopian 2041! https://fsfe.org/news/2021/news-20210529-01.en.html

May 30 13:08

techrights-bot

#deletegithub though; NSA and #microsoft do NOT inspire TRUST https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Patatt-Attestation

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May 30 13:13

techrights-bot

Plant told his co-host Matt Everitt that the lockdown gave him time to “put his house in order.” https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2021/05/27/robert-plant-personal-archives/

May 30 13:14

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May 30 13:16

techrights-bot

When the #linuxfoundation (LF) promotes #microsoft #proprietarySoftware , as it nowadays does, it's really hurtful to those of us who encouraged people to use "LINUX" (and used that word) and moreover it harms the advocacy of ours that explained how Microsoft attacks us. LF now takes Microsoft bribes to INVERT the truth.

May 30 13:17

techrights-bot

What #microsoft did to #netscape ... before what Microsoft did to #corruptMedia ... in effect bribing it to relay a totally fictional, BOGUS versions of history about this http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php?title=Petition_text_-_overview

May 30 13:19

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Petition text - overview - Techrights

May 30 13:19

saint_dogbert

I won't be donating to the Linux foundation again.

May 30 13:27

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May 30 13:29

schestowitz

saint_dogbert: did you ever?

schestowitz

they scam people

schestowitz

they say it goes to diversity program

schestowitz

a lady reader of ours investigated

schestowitz

her findings: http://techrights.org/2019/03/26/lf-define-support/

saint_dogbert

When it first started up, yeah. I thought it was a worthwhile thing. But when they allowed MS on the board, I stopped.

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Guest Post: The Linux Foundation Needs to Define “Support” | Techrights

schestowitz

only in 2016?

schestowitz

They showed creaks and rot even prior to it

schestowitz

2007 onwards: http://techrights.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation_Archives

schestowitz

2019 onwards: http://techrights.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation

schestowitz

we are under attack bebecause we win over

schestowitz

that will intensify as more freesw takes over all infra

schestowitz

and then they try to monopolise it

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phobos

Boy did that sure change when Hillary ran for president.

schestowitz

they already put torvalds in heir small pocket

schestowitz

flexed their muscles at him

http://techrights.org/2020/06/06/sexism-misrepresentation/

schestowitz

phobos

Doesn't surprise me now. Back then, it would have been a shock

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation Archives - Techrights

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation - Techrights

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | They Tell Us Linus Torvalds is Sexist But Evidence Suggests Otherwise | Techrights

http://techrights.org/2020/09/03/linus-debconf-linusgate/

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | ‘Linusgate’ Leaked: Over 250 Messages About Code of Conduct Complaints Against Linus Torvalds | Techrights

schestowitz

they get peopke riles up against good people

phobos

Just like the media did against Trump?

schestowitz

by interjecting what's known as "identity politics"

schestowitz

superficial tribalism

schestowitz

the British did that too

schestowitz

sectarian wars

phobos

And the Russians

schestowitz

Trump is a shit person

schestowitz

he always was

phobos

and Mao during the 'awakening' back in the 60s

schestowitz

the media took advantage of that

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phobos

Not to defend Trump, but the Clintons weren't any better, yet all the media did was clam up about them

schestowitz

Clinton is also shit

schestowitz

both of them

phobos

alextee[m]

the trump tweets were fun though

alextee[m]

I miss him

schestowitz

[11:09] <techrights-bot> ● NEWS ● #CommonDreams ☞ Rights Groups Warn #Biden Fast-Tracking Asylum Cases Could Endanger Families https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/05/29/rights-groups-warn-biden-fast-tracking-asylum-cases-could-endanger-families Biden is only good RELATIVE TO TRUMP

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Rights Groups Warn Biden Fast-Tracking Asylum Cases Could Endanger Families | Common Dreams News

GNUmoon

Code of Conduct = Code of Control

phobos

pretty much

schestowitz

glimpse was a misguided fork

schestowitz

i said right from the start it would die as there was no justification for it

schestowitz

no stewardship issue

alextee[m]

they just didnt like the name gimp iirc

schestowitz

bobby moss is an online 'mate' of mine

schestowitz

but GIMP is a VERY descriptive acronym, not an insult

alextee[m]

yeah but everything is offensive these daysy

alextee[m]

days*

schestowitz

it also predates the movie iirc

schestowitz

pulp fictions

schestowitz

pulp fiction

schestowitz

I probbalty 'violated' many CoCs

schestowitz

for things like pointing out abuse and corruption by X

schestowitz

Torvalds blasted the FSF

schestowitz

called them "radicals"

schestowitz

that's CoC violation, apparently

schestowitz

I don't think FSF is radical

schestowitz

but I defend his right to say they are

phobos

There is a simpler term to describe them; puppets

schestowitz

and you can open a debate about that

phobos

schestowitz, did you find an answer on who hosts freenode.net ?

May 30 13:40

phobos

I ran into a brick wall with every last 'friend' I had in staff on that topic

May 30 13:40

schestowitz

BTW, Linus's dad is a leftist

schestowitz

what some would call "commie"

schestowitz

i never saw evidence of Torvalds being racist or sexist

schestowitz

trying to 'cancel' him should be a warning sign to many

schestowitz

it's not even a wing thing

schestowitz

phobos: could not find out what hosts it

schestowitz

tried to bypass clownflare, to no avail...

schestowitz

they route every request

phobos

something that many of us already know just from watching sites like townhall; they eat their own

phobos

I got answers ranging from 'I don't remember

phobos

to 'only the owner knows that

phobos

phobos

silence, so on so forth

May 30 13:43

phobos

both with current and formers network staffers

May 30 13:43

phobos

its almost like its under NDA on who hosts the site or they know its someone that would cause an uproar over

May 30 13:43

techrights-bot

#billBC rebrands "variant" as "hybrid". No buzzwords left to sell more doses for their owners, and #BBC 'sponsors' (bribes) including #billgates h Let's explain in factual terms what's happening, let's not turn media into salespeople for #patent licences.

May 30 13:45

phobos

schestowitz: I'm starting to think it is hosted by Microsoft through one of its shell companies

techrights-bot

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines

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alextee[m]

wait until you see the "double mutant"

techrights-bot

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kernel: Patatt, Coreboot, Bootlin, and Latest Linux 5.14 Changes | Tux Machines

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines

techrights-bot

Links 30/5/2021: #Kaidan 0.8 and Linux 5.14 Work • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/05/30/kaidan-0-8/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/05/30/kaidan-0-8/

May 30 13:49

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 30/5/2021: Kaidan 0.8 and Linux 5.14 Work | Techrights

May 30 13:49

schestowitz

alextee[m]: https://stallmansupport.org/updates.html

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallmansupport.org | In Support of Richard Stallman - Updates

schestowitz

Why? Many reasons

schestowitz

https://stallman.org/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | Richard Stallman's Personal Page

schestowitz

"Don't watch TV coverage of Covid-19!"

schestowitz

https://stallman.org/

-> https://stallman.org/articles/dont-watch-covid-tv.html

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | Don’t watch TV coverage of Covid-19!

schestowitz

schestowitz

Don't watch TV coverage of Covid-19! (Or "social media"; the details are different.) Watching repetitive coverage of something frightening can interfere with clear thinking, even traumatize people.

schestowitz

TV news coverage of a crisis struggles to fill 24 hours a day with "information", notwithstanding the fact that the actual flow of new information about the crisis is nowhere near sufficient to fill that time. What do they do? They repeat. They present tangential and minor details. They make the same points in different ways. They belabor the obvious. They repeat.

schestowitz

If your goal is to be informed, you don't need to dwell on the crisis for hours every day. Not even one hour a day. Getting your news in this inefficient matter will waste a lot of time — and worse.

schestowitz

schestowitz

anyway, we stay home now

alextee[m]

heh yeah I remember reading that on his site

schestowitz

problem mostly solved

schestowitz

until they figure out what they want

schestowitz

BTW, RMS got vaccinated and encourages others to do tool

schestowitz

*too

schestowitz

but...

alextee[m]

honestly it's not too bad in the UK if you're freelancer, but I'd imagine the whole thing is a disaster for small companies

schestowitz

Don't watch TV coverage of Covid-19! (Or "social media"; the details are different.) Watching repetitive coverage of something frightening can interfere with clear thinking, even traumatize people.

schestowitz

schestowitz

schestowitz

sorry, wrong paste

http://techrights.org/2020/06/04/tired-of-rms-winning/

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Red Hat/IBM Got ‘Tired’ of RMS. Is It Getting ‘Tired’ of GPL/Copyleft Too? | Techrights

schestowitz

IBM has a lot to fear there

schestowitz

RMS is not compatible with many lucrative IBM contracts with govts.

schestowitz

I know whose side I take, and it's not IBM's

schestowitz

I'm going to do some articles and videos now

May 30 13:54

alextee[m]

no idea why rms would support an experimental vaccine given emergency authorization where a company known for alot of shady stuff in the past has no liability if something happens to you

May 30 13:56

alextee[m]

the whole thing looks sketchy, but that's offtopic I guess

May 30 13:57

psydroid

Lots of government contracts to update its infrastructure that IBM is involved in also tend to fail. It's as if the company is still in some ways untouchable, although it is debatable whether that was ever a good thing and whether that still is the case now

techrights-bot

FTR(ecord): Late on 22-May-2021 #bt sent a patch, remotely, without warning or consent, to our hub. It fixed, 33 days late(r), a very severe bug that their last update introduced, breaking the LAN! It almost made me dump it for #openwrt http://techrights.org/2021/04/18/firmware-ruins-whole-day/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Proprietary Software (BT Hub) Has Ruined My Whole Day | Techrights

schestowitz

alextee[m]: it's kind of OT

schestowitz

given how divisive this issue is

schestowitz

COVID-19 is a problem

schestowitz

for now, we stay home

schestowitz

we need more clarity

schestowitz

we are not even sure which jab is best

schestowitz

here they administer AZ to almost everyone

http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/04/21/astrazeneca-experiences/

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » Message of Concern About AstraZeneca (Which Now Renames Its Products to Dodge Bad Reputation)

schestowitz

It messed up with my best friend's body

schestowitz

he even came here to IRC to inquire about it

alextee[m]

I've seen a lot of stories about side effects (and death)

schestowitz

COVID-19 also kills

schestowitz

but anyway

schestowitz

let's get back on tech

psydroid

Here in the Netherlands there are still companies with narrow ties to Microsoft that get awarded government contracts, even if it is not certain if their work is any good at all in the process excluding many companies that might do an even better job outside of the Microsoft bubble

schestowitz

for not we avoid human contact

schestowitz

*now

schestowitz

psydroid: many 'legacy' contracts

schestowitz

connections, ex staff, marketing staff pushing to renew

schestowitz

psydroid: read http://techrights.org/2021/03/17/epoleaks-report-march-2021-part-12/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law — Part XII: Foreign Corrupt Practices, Bid Rigging and “Slush Funds” | Techrights

schestowitz

it's a goo summary

schestowitz

before we published it we nearly got deplatformed

psydroid

I will, thanks

schestowitz

after that we used e2ee... just in case

schestowitz

that's just how the world works, Microsoft learned from IBM

schestowitz

FUD and bribes

schestowitz

Examples of IBM bribery here: http://techrights.org/2020/10/04/more-ibm-history/

May 30 14:03

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May 30 14:03

schestowitz

bbl need to write things

May 30 14:06

schestowitz

been a hectic weekend

May 30 14:06

schestowitz

at least we established some improved IRC autonomy and we now work on making gemini decentralised

May 30 14:06

schestowitz

that might in fact be the subject of an upcoming video, pending further research

May 30 14:07

schestowitz

as it's better to write about it after it's all done

May 30 14:07

schestowitz

we would be (afaik) the first multi-site gemini capsule

May 30 14:07

schestowitz

140,000 page requests so far this month: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/stats/index.gmi

May 30 14:08

schestowitz

and growing each month

May 30 14:08

psydroid

yes, that would make sense

May 30 14:12

schestowitz

we used to have australian mirror

schestowitz

in tansmania

schestowitz

on a banana pi

schestowitz

I configured it

https://www.zdnet.com/article/90-of-millennials-gen-z-do-not-want-to-return-to-full-time-office-work-post-pandemic-report/

phobos

May 30 14:14

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-90% of millennials and Gen-Z do not want to return to full-time office work post-pandemic | ZDNet

May 30 14:14

schestowitz

based on?

schestowitz

zdnet partners?

schestowitz

it's a marketing company

schestowitz

90% sounds dubious

schestowitz

maybe some corporate-led 'survey'

http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/ZDNet

schestowitz

anyway, zdnet isn't a news site anymore. It was never great, but now it's mile worse.

May 30 14:37

schestowitz

Since CBS collapsed (Dec. 2019)

May 30 14:37

schestowitz

May 30 14:38

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | ZDNet - Techrights

May 30 14:38

schestowitz

ZDNet is the "playboy" of "tehc" [sic]

May 30 14:38

schestowitz

in fact, I guarantee you this so-called 'article' is based 100% on market-led 'research' that is in fact a very minuscule survey (selef-selective people) in one single country of interest, made in order for some boardroom to justify some decision for an outomce

May 30 14:41

schestowitz

ZDNet chimes in, for a free, to help that boardroom

schestowitz

*fre

schestowitz

*fee

schestowitz

that's "business"

schestowitz

"professional journalism"

kingoffrance

yeah, true or not, seems like self-perpetuating

May 30 14:53

MinceR

schestowitz: nice

May 30 14:53

MinceR

Ariadne: does the ircd need to be restarted or something to make the cloaking work?

kingoffrance

not saying that is good or bad in this case, but someone wants it known it is normal, and then people can point at it "see, its the new normal" etc.

kingoffrance

*self-fulfilling

Ariadne

no i need to just enable it

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Ariadne

i just woke up about 30 minutes ago

https://i.imgur.com/8tz8faQ.png

MinceR

ah, never mind then

May 30 14:56

schestowitz

why have face-to-face conversation?

May 30 15:03

schestowitz

they cannot be MONETISED

May 30 15:04

MinceR

May 30 15:19

schestowitz

let me guess where this was made

May 30 15:24

schestowitz

both the item and the packaging

May 30 15:24

techrights-bot

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May 30 15:29

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May 30 15:33

schestowitz

"This tweet didn’t age well…"

May 30 15:39

schestowitz

https://twitter.com/imtooold4this/status/1245908577191157761?s=21

May 30 15:39

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ImTooOld4This: @stautistic @TProphet @JDApsley @GidgetWA @hacks4pancakes @AstroKatie In many regards you might be right, but barki… https://t.co/hUKrqCN2LZ

May 30 15:39

techrights-bot

Yes, we need more enablers of people who traffic THOUSANDS of young girls for sexual exploitation https://twitter.com/ImTooOld4This/status/1245908577191157761 #microsoft #billgates #apologists #MoneyTalks #gatesfoundation

May 30 15:41

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ImTooOld4This: @stautistic @TProphet @JDApsley @GidgetWA @hacks4pancakes @AstroKatie In many regards you might be right, but barki… https://t.co/hUKrqCN2LZ

May 30 15:41

schestowitz

schestowitz

Director of Microsoft stanning for Bill Gates…who would have thought?

https://twitter.com/stautistic/status/1398799871109332993?s=21

schestowitz

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schestowitz

techrights-bot

This Week in Linux 153: Audacity CLA Controversy, #Ubuntu #DMCA Notice, Have I Been Pwned, Inkscape https://tuxdigital.com/2021/05/thisweekinlinux-153/ #gnu #linux

May 30 15:45

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Ariadne

MinceR: turned on cloaking

MinceR

thanks

https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/05/30/comcast-sends-dmca-threats-to-a-subscriber-for-downloading-ubuntu-gnu-linux/

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MinceR

(audio:important) (video:unimportant) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUXiojaB86c

May 30 17:17

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May 30 18:37

BaronVladimirHar

May 30 18:52

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | Comcast sends DMCA threats to a subscriber for downloading Ubuntu GNU/Linux – BaronHK's Rants

May 30 18:52

BaronVladimirHar

I pointed out that the threat is real. If Comcast gets enough complaints, they terminate your internet access, and they may well be a government sanctioned ISP monopoly in your area.

May 30 18:52

BaronVladimirHar

Last I knew, their policy was that if they throw your offline, you can't have an account with them again for six months.

May 30 18:53

cybrNaut

i have no sympathy for Comcast patrons. That's an evil company and if they refuse service they also lose business and that's a good thing.

May 30 18:55

kingoffrance

why am i not surprised? Ironically, the MPAA violated the GNU GPL and other licenses in the process, effectively managing to commit piracy, and when they didn’t respond to the DMCA letter, their hosting company stepped in and took it down. (Sony also violated the LGPL license of LAME in their “XCP” Windows rootkit malware in 2005.)

May 30 18:56

cybrNaut

i recall Sony getting caught using GPL code in their DRM code

May 30 19:01

BaronVladimirHar

The last time anyone tried to do something about the Comcast problem, it was when the Obama administration reclassified them as an essential utility that was regulated, but Trump reversed that and it would take time to fix this. Meanwhile, Comcast gets another shot at bribery and burrowing into the Biden Administration to head off another potential Title II action.

May 30 19:03

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May 30 19:06

XRevan86

"You will run SQL Server" – huh, otherwise the grammar's fine, but here it clearly should be "You will run an SQL server".

May 30 19:09

CrystalMath

more like a semantic problem since there technically could have been a program called "SQL Server"

May 30 19:11

CrystalMath

which there actually is

May 30 19:11

CrystalMath

pronounced "sequel server", it's microsoft's own DBMS

May 30 19:12

CrystalMath

i have it on a DVD somewhere

CrystalMath

2005

CrystalMath

an original copy

CrystalMath

though that's nothing to be proud of :P

XRevan86

CrystalMath: But then this is disgusting.

May 30 19:14

MinceR

microsoft with their creative names

May 30 19:14

CrystalMath

MinceR: there was a time when they called a JIT debugger "Dr. Watson"

May 30 19:16

CrystalMath

before the last hacker was removed

May 30 19:16

schestowitz

'server' [sic]

May 30 19:17

schestowitz

btw, when do we replace the word?

May 30 19:17

schestowitz

it's offensive

MinceR

server? but i don't even know 'er!

schestowitz

in a just society nobody serves anybody

MinceR

we do not have a just society

MinceR

and the cancel mob only makes our society even more unjust

schestowitz

then ban the word class

schestowitz

because it suggests that people are not all equal

MinceR

lol

CrystalMath

i think C+= does that

schestowitz

doubly ungood

fyi: https://twitter.com/lord_bagira/status/1399061090718343169

MinceR

doubleplusungood crimethink

May 30 19:20

BaronVladimirHar

Mandy asked if I was going to contact John after John found him and messaged him on Facebook wanting to know about the car title. I told Mandy no, because I'm not going to be baited into more nonsense with him. It deeply disturbs me that this is going on and, worse, that I can't make Mandy get off of Facebook.

May 30 19:21

BaronVladimirHar

If John is stalking him on it, so might his sister.

May 30 19:22

BaronVladimirHar

I'm not going to quit claim deed my interest in the car over to John because it amuses me that it's going to be impossible for him to transfer the title over to anyone else without my approval, which I can withhold.

May 30 19:23

BaronVladimirHar

Even if I was going to change my mind on that, it certainly wouldn't be until the last payment is due on it to Kia Finance, because if he does want the title so he can try to sell it and be done with it and not have to come up with the entire amount due, I don't want to make that easy. If they repo it again, it's his problem.

May 30 19:24

bagira

May 30 19:24

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@lord_bagira: @mjg59 @rahaeli @BadLegalTakes For people reading, Matthew has a serial habit of smearing people in public using th… https://t.co/Y6M95qpftl

May 30 19:24

BaronVladimirHar

MinceR: In other words, I can be nasty by not having to do anything at all. He might be able to get out from under it by selling at $13,000 since the used car market is up right now, and then he only needs $3,000 or so out of pocket to get out of the loan.

May 30 19:25

BaronVladimirHar

But if I don't sign, there's no way he can get the title from Kia and he still has to come up with $16,000.

May 30 19:25

BaronVladimirHar

So I can slow bleed him and possibly have it turn into a lawsuit against him by taking no action.

May 30 19:26

BaronVladimirHar

These are my favorite situations. Harm enemy by taking no action at all.

May 30 19:28

BaronVladimirHar

I don't know how he found Mandy on Facebook. That's the part that bothers me.

May 30 19:29

schestowitz

wow, patents do that?

https://www.phonearena.com/news/Apple-patent-turns-a-MacBook-Pro-into-a-wireless-charger_id129335

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Apple patent turns a MacBook Pro into a wireless charger - PhoneArena

schestowitz

they make it sound like patents DO things

MinceR

lol

https://twitter.com/lord_bagira/status/1399061090718343169

BaronVladimirHar

For the next trick.... Legal document from the government transforms the Mac into the Starship Enterprise.

May 30 19:33

BaronVladimirHar

WHAT does God need with a starship!?

May 30 19:33

schestowitz

May 30 19:34

BaronVladimirHar

How "God" got imprisoned on that planet for all time turned out to be Q related, in a later Trek story.

May 30 19:34

schestowitz

unemployed troll trying to find a job

May 30 19:34

schestowitz

jealous of something who has a job

http://techrights.org/2021/03/05/google-funded-trolls/

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Professional Troll Matthew Garrett Spreads Libel, Defamation and Slander About the Free Software Community to Entertain Microsoft and Friends | Techrights

BaronVladimirHar

It turned out to be a very powerful being from another reality that created monotheistic religions in our universe. But the Q eventually injured it and imprisoned it on that rock to stop it from interfering further.

schestowitz

playing with doorbells and adding malicious crap to things, e.g. UEFI 'secure' boot

http://techrights.org/2021/05/30/decentralised-internet/

schestowitz

more harmful than doing nothing

May 30 19:36

schestowitz

he should become a gardener or something

May 30 19:36

BaronVladimirHar

Garrett will eventually get a job at Microsoft and claim that he's changing it from the inside.

May 30 19:36

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Internet Was Made to be Decentralised and We Need to Re-decentralise It | Techrights

BaronVladimirHar

Like he changed Google from the inside, as it got worse, and he eventually resigned.

BaronVladimirHar

(Might have been one of those "mutual decisions".)

schestowitz

after taking lots of money

BaronVladimirHar

You resign and you get to keep some of your dignity because we didn't have to fire you.

schestowitz

Thunberg joined Exxon

schestowitz

she will change it from the inside

schestowitz

next stop: Philipp Morris

BaronVladimirHar

Employers like to do this a lot. If you voluntarily resign then it frees them from any potential liabilities later.

BaronVladimirHar

Like potentially losing an unemployment case you bring.

BaronVladimirHar

But they frame it as "We'll fire you and then how will that look on your resume later?".

BaronVladimirHar

<schestowitz "Thunberg joined Exxon"> They always use children like this to inflict policy that nobody would otherwise agree to.

May 30 19:39

kingoffrance

IOW they bluff to get what they want ""We'll fire you and then how will that look on your resume later?"."

May 30 19:39

BaronVladimirHar

Child pornography is a horrible thing, but look how they used that. They used children as pawns to get people to view Tor and encryption as "criminal". Anyone who wants privacy is a "criminal".

May 30 19:40

BaronVladimirHar

Meanwhile, the criminals and sickos, like Bill Gates, are free and they will never worry about consequences. No real ones.

May 30 19:40

BaronVladimirHar

In "climate change", they stick the face of children out there again.

May 30 19:41

BaronVladimirHar

It makes people "feel bad". "You're being mean to children if you eat meat, drive a car, and want any standard of living. Just give it all up!".

May 30 19:41

BaronVladimirHar

The Chinese benefit greatly from the "climate change" stuff because they get other nations to agree to "cut emissions" and ruin their own industry and living standards and cause mass unemployment and suicides.

May 30 19:42

Noisytoot

schestowitz, UEFI secure boot is fine if the user controls it

May 30 19:43

BaronVladimirHar

In the meantime, the Chinese just keep pumping out more greenhouse gases and smog each year because they put in more heavy industry and renege on their end of all the deals.

May 30 19:43

BaronVladimirHar

They're very duplicitous, and if you say that, it's "racist".

May 30 19:44

BaronVladimirHar

schestowitz: I'm really not surprised about Thunberg. Most "activists" really just want to be paid in exchange for shutting up.

May 30 19:44

BaronVladimirHar

She's laughing. It's diabolical for a child, I'll give her that. Most of them aren't thinking on that level until way later in life.

May 30 19:45

BaronVladimirHar

What can I get in exchange for virtue signaling and corruption?

May 30 19:45

schestowitz

[19:43] <Noisytoot> schestowitz, UEFI secure boot is fine if the user controls it

May 30 19:46

schestowitz

that's not what we get

May 30 19:46

BaronVladimirHar

MARISOL is an example of this. Crude manipulation of others through thinly veiled corruption and apparent generosity towards others.

May 30 19:46

schestowitz

the OEMs ship it with control outsourced

BaronVladimirHar

It's betrayed by an anal expulsive personality though.

schestowitz

BaronVladimirHar: this is a tech channel, let's keep focused

schestowitz

than

schestowitz

thanks

Noisytoot

That is bad, but it does not have to be like that (UEFI secure boot can be good)

BaronVladimirHar

The people who do a better job of that are the ones who can manage to keep their composure when you irritate them.

BaronVladimirHar

Garrett can at least do that, I guess.

May 30 19:48

schestowitz

Noisytoot: this is how the monopolists sell it

May 30 19:49

schestowitz

now Google and IBM (via LF) do the same with software packages

May 30 19:49

schestowitz

you have to sign trust chains leading up to monopolists

May 30 19:49

schestowitz

at first it would warn you otherwise

schestowitz

barrier to installation

schestowitz

later it might be strictly enforced

Noisytoot

They should ship it disabled (and with no keys installed)

BaronVladimirHar

MinceR: We stopped at the SG-1 crossover episode The Pegasus Project last night. That was a good episode. It was another example of Teal'c being Teal'c.

BaronVladimirHar

When he commented that the Tollan people lacking the ability to think strategically would be their downfall, he followed up by destroying an Ori mothership by luring it in front of the supergate, which he knew would open up in a minute and catch it in the energy vortex.

schestowitz

and they'll tell use they protect us from "bad software"

schestowitz

so Linux becomes like iOS

BaronVladimirHar

There's no obvious way to gain the upperhand here. An entire fleet of ships could barely be a small drain on the shields of one of those with concentrated fire.

May 30 19:51

BaronVladimirHar

That episode reminded me of the B5 flashback where Captain Sheridan was the XO on a ship during the Earth-Minbari War, and lured the Black Star into an asteroid field mined with nuclear weapons, by sending out a distress signal and using maneuvering thrusters to pretend to try to limp away from them. There was no way an Earth ship could get a firing lock on a Minbari vessel due to some sort of jamming technology

May 30 19:53

BaronVladimirHar

and they were superior in every way anyway, and his ship was badly damaged.

May 30 19:53

BaronVladimirHar

The Minbari were always pissed off about that, long after the war. They considered it a dishonorable way to fight. Is there really a dishonorable way to fight if you're the one that wins?

May 30 19:54

BaronVladimirHar

I would argue that if you are badly outnumbered or outmoded and desperate, anything goes as long as the cause is just.

May 30 19:55

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May 30 19:56

BaronVladimirHar

That's how I've won most of my battles against a nominally superior foe. If you can't outfight them, outthink them.

May 30 19:56

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BaronVladimirHar

<schestowitz "so Linux becomes like iOS"> I don't think that's a huge threat, honestly. With the "app stores".

MinceR

it's happening with OSPS such as systemd and flatpak on top of it

schestowitz

yeah

schestowitz

flakpak

BaronVladimirHar

That model is basically falling apart. The Snap Store was an experiment that failed. Ubuntu is trying to become Linspire.

MinceR

and of course the dumbed down ui with gnome

schestowitz

reminds me of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flapjack_(oat_bar)

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Flapjack (oat bar) - Wikipedia

schestowitz

a bunch of high-calory crap

schestowitz

for just a lousy little application

BaronVladimirHar

I was briefly interested in Linspire a long time ago until I saw how badly they had cobbled it together.

schestowitz

saddled with lots of libs

schestowitz

and it's also a security issue

BaronVladimirHar

I mean, it even logged you in as root.

BaronVladimirHar

You could open Konqueror and delete parts of the operating system!

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May 30 19:59

schestowitz

BaronVladimirHar: the snap team is falling apart

May 30 19:59

schestowitz

turned out shilling Skype and Spotify isn't what people wanted

May 30 19:59

BaronVladimirHar

I don't even use Spotify.

schestowitz

they remove barriers for proprietary software on "Linux"

schestowitz

as if people want "apps"

schestowitz

it's a ramp for crapware

schestowitz

I wondered today,

schestowitz

has Google already approached Canonical

schestowitz

to put Chromium there by default

schestowitz

like the installer (iirc) is a google framework

MinceR

30 204306 < Noisytoot> schestowitz, UEFI secure boot is fine if the user controls it

psydroid

Snack and Snackpack

MinceR

just boot Backdoors once, and boom, your keys are blacklisted

schestowitz

can you SAY that?

MinceR

it's designed to lock users/owners out

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schestowitz

reminds me of what phones became...

schestowitz

digital jails

MinceR

Backdoors installs a BIOS update automatically, and the deal is altered

May 30 20:04

MinceR

(pray they do not alter it any further.)

May 30 20:04

schestowitz

exactlyh

schestowitz

tbh, some 'Linux' companies are not worth trusting either

schestowitz

the word "community" is losing its meaning

schestowitz

I have an informant at the moment about libreoffice

schestowitz

and commercial interests from within

schestowitz

we're checking the facts

schestowitz

as it might be the basis for a good article or series

MinceR

(updating a blacklist and installing a BIOS update are two separate routes, afaik)

May 30 20:07

schestowitz

that's two impermissible words right there

May 30 20:09

CrystalMath

MinceR: dOn'T sAy BlAcKlIsT

May 30 20:09

MinceR

lol

May 30 20:11

MinceR

which one is the other impermissible word?

May 30 20:11

CrystalMath

graylist, it offends aliens

May 30 20:12

MinceR

i didn't say "graylist"

May 30 20:12

CrystalMath

ah you asked schestowitz

May 30 20:13

CrystalMath

i don't know :P

May 30 20:13

schestowitz

guess...

May 30 20:13

schestowitz

words hurt and trigger ideas

May 30 20:14

CrystalMath

separate?

May 30 20:14

schestowitz

some of them contradict worldviews

May 30 20:14

schestowitz

here's the thing...

May 30 20:15

schestowitz

on the past 100 years alone, let alone/aside 1000 years, we more or less existed OK without those 'emotional condoms'

May 30 20:15

schestowitz

we trained people to access or reject some ideas

May 30 20:15

schestowitz

without trying to silence or remove from society the people who express those ideas

schestowitz

Rowan spoke about this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiqDZlAZygU

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-In full: Rowan Atkinson on free speech - YouTube

schestowitz

towards the end

schestowitz

many comedians cannot do their word anymore

schestowitz

or they become a lot less funny

schestowitz

because they have to filter their jokes for like a dozen audiences

schestowitz

which make the punchlines infantile

http://techrights.org/2020/09/29/lame-words/

schestowitz

I wonder if Mr. Bean would be canceled if it happened to take off today

May 30 20:17

schestowitz

maybe mute people's societies won't condone it

May 30 20:17

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schestowitz

May 30 20:20

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] It’s Crazy Not to Eliminate Lame Words That Might Offend Somebody | Techrights

May 30 20:20

kingoffrance

MinceR's heresy link was great, thats pretty much what the thought police is

May 30 20:22

kingoffrance

but it will masquerade as secular etc.

May 30 20:23

kingoffrance

or all-inclusive etc.

May 30 20:23

*KindTwo is now known as KindOne

May 30 20:26

schestowitz

it gives enough leeway for trolls like mjg59

May 30 20:28

schestowitz

by which to portray nice and reasonable people as monsters

May 30 20:28

schestowitz

because they use the 'wrong' word or something, maybe 20 years ago

schestowitz

unethical corporations change the standard

schestowitz

to shift away from their inherently unethical business model

schestowitz

so you end up cancelling people like RMS but not Zuckerberg

schestowitz

or julian assange instead of the monsters in the helicopter who massacre civilians

schestowitz

or their chain of command

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schestowitz

TODAY:

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[12:57] <techrights-bot> OUCH OUCH OUCH! Birmingham University calls a college after "Thomas J. Watson" https://www.binghamton.edu/news/story/3082/computer-science-department-celebrates-research-new-faculty-for-2020-21 don't pay tribute to Nazis: http://techrights.org/2021/04/25/ibm-germany-history/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.binghamton.edu | Computer Science Department celebrates research, new faculty for 2020-21 | Binghamton News

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Documentary: IBM Founder (Watson) Gave a Nazi Salute, Admired Hitler, Said Hitler Was Doing the Right Thing | Techrights

schestowitz

some libraries are STILL called after Gates

schestowitz

maybe some CS depts as well

schestowitz

they're paid to do so

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▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▆█▄▅▅▃▇▄▅▄▅█▄▅▆▄▆▆▄▆▇▅▄▃▃▅▆▅▅▆▆▇▃▄▅▆▄▁ avg(k/sec) 49.66 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▂▁▁▃▁▁▁▃▁▁▂▃▁▂▂▃▂▂▂▁▂▁▃▄▄▂▂▂▁▂▂▃▁▃▂▂▁ avg(k/sec) 27.28▕ swarm size (avg): 234.82 ⟲

techrights-ipfs

techrights-ipfs

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techrights-ipfs

▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▃█▅▁▂▄▃▅▅▅▆▆▆▆▄▄▇▆▇▅▇▃▅▃█▄▅▇▇▆▇▆▆▁▁ avg(k/sec) 49.33 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▂▃▁█▁▁▁▁▂▂▂▂▁▁▂▃▃▂▂▁▂█▂█▁▂▃▄▂▂▂█▁ avg(k/sec) 67.96▕ swarm size (avg): 234.85 ⟲

May 30 21:17

schestowitz

tonight the logging/archiving will be on 'autopilot' (IRC)

schestowitz

will be the first true change to test the workings of it and test extensively

schestowitz

so far this network has been 100% reliable, which is great

schestowitz

Ariadne: "L" studied the container today

Ariadne

oh?

schestowitz

for purposes such as backups etc. or D-R

BaronVladimirHar

Papa John's upped their deliver fee to $2.99 in my area and then continues to be unclear about where this goes. Drivers have stated that they don't see any of it. They get a very small allowance for gas which is maybe $1 per delivery. The rest of their money comes from tips and the lower tipped minimum wage.

May 30 21:43

schestowitz

loved the fact only 18 processes in it

May 30 21:43

BaronVladimirHar

That got me thinking about how pizza was basically the OG GrubHub.

May 30 21:43

schestowitz

the way it should be

Ariadne

18?

Ariadne

seems a bit high

schestowitz

can people still use bitcoin to buy pizza in some places

schestowitz

earlier today I read that bitcoin value had crashed by more than 50%

schestowitz

schestowitz

maybe that included the ps command

BaronVladimirHar

Everyone I've talked to that has delivered pizza complained that they barely made any money because the delivery fees come right out of their tips since the customer feels they're already paying for the delivery anyway. That they barely get money for gas and that it's out of their own pocket when their car breaks down a lot from constant starts and stops.

schestowitz

iirc, you used to deliver pizzas in your car for a living

Ariadne

there

schestowitz

very dangerous job at the moment

Ariadne

now 7

Ariadne

schestowitz

many hands, door knobs etc.

BaronVladimirHar

<schestowitz "earlier today I read that bitcoi"> Yeah, and Maricel bought a lot of that bragging that you can't lose.

schestowitz

bitcoin?

schestowitz

she has no idea about it

BaronVladimirHar

The UK government warned that you could technically lose everything since it's not backed by anything.

schestowitz

and even those who knew it got burned lately

schestowitz

:-D

BaronVladimirHar

It's a speculation bubble and worth whatever people collectively agree it's worth.

BaronVladimirHar

Unlike dollars, nobody is compelled to accept them for a debt owed and you can't pay tax in them.

Ariadne

(5 really, when nothing is attached)

MinceR

isn't that true for all fiat currency?

schestowitz

amazing

schestowitz

roy@vonick:~$ ps aux | wc -l

schestowitz

331

BaronVladimirHar

The threat of government violence oddly gives fiat money its value.

schestowitz

(buster)

Ariadne

freenode is down to 60k users basically

MinceR

so why does it inflate?

schestowitz

I'd rather cheers the issues at EPO

MinceR

not enough violence?

schestowitz

than do IRC wars

BaronVladimirHar

With Bitcoin, if you and I agree one is worth a car, it's worth a car. If we agree it's worth a tuna sandwich, it is.

schestowitz

*cheer the issues

Ariadne

not cheering that, i find it quite sad really

schestowitz

they will need to redo their courts

BaronVladimirHar

<MinceR "not enough violence?"> Violence is only part of the equation.

schestowitz

150 judges or something at that region

schestowitz

big step towards killing swpats

schestowitz

I will do IRC advocacy

schestowitz

as a protocol

schestowitz

Matrix I don't know well enough

schestowitz

gemini, irc, the light web

schestowitz

there's also "SmallWeb"

schestowitz

"SmallLinux"

schestowitz

back to basics

BaronVladimirHar

It floats against what is basically the coercive force of other governments in the world economy, and the fact that people are willing to pay more or less of something due to external factors that the government does not control, and due to those it does. Like overspending and having to create more dollars to do that with.

May 30 21:50

schestowitz

many now move from wordpress to hugo and stuff like that, or with hugo over gemini, gemini over ipfs

May 30 21:51

schestowitz

ipfs is just cpu-intensive, that's the main downside

May 30 21:51

BaronVladimirHar

Taxes are a way to limit inflation, but the government knows that tax is unpopular and that programs tend to be popular. Even though everyone knows there will be horrible inflation that outstrips the pittance they got from a one off stimulus, they still cheer it on.

BaronVladimirHar

I'd much rather undo the 30% real inflation in my groceries from the last year, even if it meant giving back $1,200 that I got once.

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schestowitz

we buy discounted food

schestowitz

you can save a lot that way

May 30 21:53

schestowitz

you just need to know the where and when

May 30 21:53

schestowitz

can lower your bills by a thousand pounds per year

May 30 21:53

BaronVladimirHar

Yeah, slow cookers are a good way to economize. Freeze last day meat.

schestowitz

and with that money you can buy 5 decent laptops or whatnot... per year

schestowitz

BaronVladimirHar: freeze is you have 'backlog'

schestowitz

*if

BaronVladimirHar

Oh, my sinuses are clearing up already. I suspect the silver.

BaronVladimirHar

It makes sense that nobody studies it and then complains there's no evidence.

May 30 21:55

BaronVladimirHar

It's amazing what evidence the government doesn't have when it doesn't want the research.

May 30 21:55

schestowitz

[14:41] <schestowitz> in fact, I guarantee you this so-called 'article' is based 100% on market-led 'research' that is in fact a very minuscule survey (selef-selective people) in one single country of interest, made in order for some boardroom to justify some decision for an outomce

May 30 21:55

BaronVladimirHar

The FDA is drug company lobbyists overseeing an agency that's 75% funded by drug companies.

schestowitz

yes, not just the US 'FDA'

BaronVladimirHar

They set the agenda and pay for conclusions to be reached.

schestowitz

approval can have little to do with merit

schestowitz

but how much lobbying firepower you have

schestowitz

maybe J&J was not prepared

BaronVladimirHar

They recently approved a $300,000 a year drug for muscular dystrophy, iirc, on a bad study that only had usable results from 11 patients.

May 30 21:57

BaronVladimirHar

Further study suggests that those who go on the drug decline faster than those who don't.

May 30 21:57

BaronVladimirHar

The silver tastes horrible but both Mandy and I started recovering quickly after starting on it.

May 30 21:58

BaronVladimirHar

Unfortunately there's no real studies in the NIH system and I doubt there ever will be.

May 30 21:59

BaronVladimirHar

I'm told that these solutions were popular up through the 1950s when powerful antibiotics were released, but now the antibiotics don't work very well and good luck getting any help at all from a doctor you just paid $300 to even if it is bacterial.

May 30 22:00

BaronVladimirHar

They just sit there and deny the possibility and call it allergies while you have green shit coming out your lungs.

May 30 22:00

BaronVladimirHar

Amoxicillin clears up my sinus infections, but I usually just have another one in short order and about half the doctors prescribe you something and the other half say take allergy meds that don't work.

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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.worldometers.info | United Kingdom COVID: 4,484,056 Cases and 127,781 Deaths - Worldometer

schestowitz

almost 50% growth in cases week-to-week(end)

schestowitz

I expect lockdowns end of summer

schestowitz

not even autumn

BaronVladimirHar

So if the concern is throwing money in the trash, is not that what spending $300 talking to a doctor who doesn't even do anything accomplish?

schestowitz

things get bad here when there are 20-30k new cases per day and it slips out of control

BaronVladimirHar

Is not spending $17 on a bottle of colloidal silver less of a risk?

http://www.linuxtoday.com/news/reader-update-memorial-day-weekend.html

BaronVladimirHar

Even if it does turn out to be a big fat placebo, so is Zyrtec if that's what the doc says to do about a sinus infection.

May 30 22:04

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May 30 22:06

schestowitz

Happy Friday, loyal Linux Today readers!

May 30 22:07

schestowitz

Here in the U.S., Monday, May 31 is Memorial Day, the federal holiday on which we commemorate the women and men who died while serving in the nation's military.

May 30 22:07

schestowitz

Linux Today's staff will observe this federal holiday and be on a reduced publication schedule for Monday. We'll be back on Tuesday, June 1 with a full day of Linux news and updates.

May 30 22:07

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schestowitz

May 30 22:09

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxtoday.com | Linux Today - READER UPDATE: Memorial Day Weekend

May 30 22:09

schestowitz

http://blog.netbsd.org/tnf/entry/public_netbsd_irc_channels_moved

May 30 22:10

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.netbsd.org | NetBSD Blog

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schestowitz

You can submit questions from #debxp:matrix.org via Matrix, or #debxp on Freenode via IRC.

https://stallman.org/live/stream-debxp-may-31.html

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | Live de Segunda #80 - Uma conversa com Richard Stallman - May 31, 2021

cybrNaut

Carnegie Mellon University wrote a robot to harvest privacy policies of banks, and publish a matrix showing which banks respect privacy more: https://cups.cs.cmu.edu/bankprivacy/

May 30 22:17

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cups.cs.cmu.edu | Bank Privacy: Search

May 30 22:17

schestowitz

Alexandre Oliva: A Conversation With Richard Stallman • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/05/30/conversation-with-rms/

schestowitz

tomorrow

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Alexandre Oliva: A Conversation With Richard Stallman | Techrights

schestowitz

questions via freenode, rasengan might be happy...

schestowitz

cybrNaut: some banks sell data

schestowitz

but banks do, in general, need to collect SOME data

schestowitz

tax, fraud etc.

schestowitz

my grocer need not

schestowitz

they don't need to know what I eat or even who I am...

cybrNaut

banks are getting worse and worse, but they are not all equal. Some banks are far more abusing/exploitive than others.

May 30 22:28

cybrNaut

there's also a comparison here: https://git.disroot.org/cyberMonk/liberethos_paradigm/src/branch/master/usa_banks.md

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.disroot.org | cyberMonk/liberethos_paradigm: Information and tools to facilitate ethical consumption of goods and services. - usa_banks.md at master - liberethos_paradigm - Gitea: Git with a cup of tea

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/752372/best-cheap-sbc-for-a-linux-with-a-nice-gui/

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | Best cheap SBC for a Linux with a nice GUI - Questions and advice for Buying a New Computer

schestowitz

if you use cash, they won't know much about you

schestowitz

only when and where you withdraw and deposit money

schestowitz

which doesn't tell THAT much about you

schestowitz

because you usually deposit and withdraw at the same places

schestowitz

and similar intervals apart

cybrNaut

right.. indeed it makes sense to use cash whenever practical

cybrNaut

i'd be hard-pressed to close all bank accts and keep everything as cash in a safe though

https://euroquis.nl//freebsd/2021/05/30/kde-freebsd-communications.html

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-euroquis.nl | KDE on FreeBSD – IRC channels | [bobulate]

schestowitz

it's a small project

schestowitz

few people

schestowitz

there is a slowdown in exodus, I think

schestowitz

no high-profile projects announcing departure

schestowitz

let's hope no major blunders and the flux settles

schestowitz

and we get back to doing work, not just migrations that are mostly needless