Bonum Certa Men Certa

New OOXML Fiasco: Germany and Canada Propose Microsoft as Editor for ODF-OOXML Convergence

Result of the vote just in...

It should be clear to see that 'puppet nation', which only joined very briefly in order to serve Microsoft, did not vote this time around. They have already done their job. A few of those that voted seem keen enough to go on the record and propose that Microsoft takes over.

Here is the recommendation from Canada: John Weigelt, National Technology Officer for Microsoft Canada.

Germany put down Mario Wendt of Microsoft Deutschland. Mario also stuffed attended the horrific BRM in Geneva [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12].

For OOXML abuse stories from Germany and Canada, start at the index. It's clear that Microsoft still strives to control ODF.

Here is the document containing this new information [PDF]. The accompanying page is laid out below as HTML, but much the formatting is lost.






ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 34
Document Description and Processing Languages
Secretariat: Japan (JISC)

DOC. TYPE Summary of Voting/Table of Replies
TITLE Summary of Voting on SC 34 N 1035: Proposal for New Work Item on Open Document Format (ISO/IEC 26300) / Office Open XML (ISO/IEC 29500) Translation
SOURCE SC 34 Secretariat
PROJECT  
STATUS This document will reviewed at the SC 34 plenary meeting to be held in Jeju, Republic of Korea, 2008-10-01.
ACTION ID FYI
DUE DATE  
DISTRIBUTION P, O and L Members of ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 34 ; ISO/IEC JTC 1 Secretariat; ISO/IEC ITTF
ACCESS LEVEL Def
ISSUE NO. 31
FILE
NAME
SIZE (KB)
PAGES
1056c.htm1056.pdf
 42
110

Secretariat ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 34 - IPSJ/ITSCJ (Information Processing Society of Japan/Information Technology Standards Commission of Japan)* Room 308-3, Kikai-Shinko-Kaikan Bldg., 3-5-8, Shiba-Koen, Minato-ku, Tokyo 105-0011 Japan *Standard Organization Accredited by JISC


Telephone: +81-3-3431-2808; Facsimile: +81-3-3431-6493; E-mail: kimura@itscj.ipsj.or.jp






Raw text version of the PDF is below.




Result of voting Ballot Information: Ballot reference: Ballot type: Ballot title: Opening date: Closing date: Note: JTC1/SC34N1035 NWIP Proposal for New Work Item on OpenDocument Format (ISO/IEC 26300) / Office Open XML (ISO/IEC 29500) Translation 2008-04-29 2008-07-29

Member responses: Votes cast (28) Comments submitted (3) Votes not cast (11) Brazil (ABNT) Bulgaria (BDS) Canada (SCC) Chile (INN) China (SAC) Colombia (ICONTEC) Czech Republic (CNI) Denmark (DS) Finland (SFS) France (AFNOR) Germany (DIN) India (BIS) Italy (UNI) Japan (JISC) Kazakhstan (KAZMEMST) Kenya (KEBS) Korea, Republic of (KATS) Malaysia (DSM) Malta (MSA) Netherlands (NEN) New Zealand (SNZ) Norway (SN) Poland (PKN) Romania (ASRO) Sweden (SIS) Switzerland (SNV) United Kingdom (BSI) USA (ANSI) Greece (ELOT) Mexico (DGN) Spain (AENOR) Côte-d'Ivoire (CODINORM)

Cyprus (CYS) Egypt (EOS) Lebanon (LIBNOR) Luxembourg (ILNAS) Pakistan (PSQCA) South Africa (SABS) Sri Lanka (SLSI) Thailand (TISI) Trinidad and Tobago (TTBS) Venezuela (FONDONORMA)

Questions: Q.1 "Do you accept the proposal in the attached NWI Proposal document as a sufficient definition of the new work item?" Q.2 "Do you support the addition of the new work item to the programme of work of the joint technical committee?" Q.3 "Do you commit yourself to participate in the development of this new work item?" Q.4 "Are you able to offer a project editor who will dedicate his/her efforts to the advancement and maintenance of this project?" Q.5 "Do you have a major contribution or a reference document ready for submittal?" Q.6 "Will you have such a contribution in ninety days?"

Answers to Q.1: "Do you accept the proposal in the attached NWI Proposal document as a sufficient definition of the new work item?" 18 x Yes Bulgaria (BDS) Canada (SCC) China (SAC) Czech Republic (CNI) Denmark (DS) Finland (SFS) France (AFNOR) Germany (DIN) Italy (UNI) Japan (JISC) Kenya (KEBS) Korea, Republic of (KATS) Netherlands (NEN) Norway (SN) Poland (PKN) Romania (ASRO) Sweden (SIS) USA (ANSI) 7 x Abstain Chile (INN) Colombia (ICONTEC) India (BIS) Kazakhstan (KAZMEMST)

Malaysia (DSM) Malta (MSA) Switzerland (SNV) 3 x No Brazil (ABNT) New Zealand (SNZ) United Kingdom (BSI)

Answers to Q.2: "Do you support the addition of the new work item to the programme of work of the joint technical committee?" 19 x Yes Bulgaria (BDS) Canada (SCC) China (SAC) Czech Republic (CNI) Denmark (DS) Finland (SFS) France (AFNOR) Germany (DIN) Italy (UNI) Japan (JISC) Kenya (KEBS) Korea, Republic of (KATS) Netherlands (NEN) New Zealand (SNZ) Norway (SN) Poland (PKN) Romania (ASRO) Sweden (SIS) USA (ANSI) 8 x Abstain Chile (INN) Colombia (ICONTEC) India (BIS) Kazakhstan (KAZMEMST) Malaysia (DSM) Malta (MSA) Switzerland (SNV) United Kingdom (BSI) 1 x No Brazil (ABNT)

Answers to Q.3: "Do you commit yourself to participate in the development of this new work item?" 13 x No Brazil (ABNT) Bulgaria (BDS) China (SAC) Denmark (DS) Italy (UNI) Korea, Republic of (KATS) Malta (MSA) Netherlands (NEN) Norway (SN) Poland (PKN)

Romania (ASRO) Sweden (SIS) Switzerland (SNV) 8 x Yes Canada (SCC) Czech Republic (CNI) Finland (SFS) France (AFNOR) Germany (DIN) Japan (JISC) Kenya (KEBS) USA (ANSI) 7 x Abstain Chile (INN) Colombia (ICONTEC) India (BIS) Kazakhstan (KAZMEMST) Malaysia (DSM) New Zealand (SNZ) United Kingdom (BSI)

Answers to Q.4: "Are you able to offer a project editor who will dedicate his/her efforts to the advancement and maintenance of this project?" 19 x No Brazil (ABNT) Bulgaria (BDS) Czech Republic (CNI) Denmark (DS) Finland (SFS) France (AFNOR) Italy (UNI) Japan (JISC) Kenya (KEBS) Korea, Republic of (KATS) Malta (MSA) Netherlands (NEN) Norway (SN) Poland (PKN) Romania (ASRO) Sweden (SIS) Switzerland (SNV) United Kingdom (BSI) USA (ANSI) 6 x Abstain Chile (INN) Colombia (ICONTEC) India (BIS) Kazakhstan (KAZMEMST) Malaysia (DSM) New Zealand (SNZ) 3 x Yes Canada (SCC) China (SAC) Germany (DIN)

Answers to Q.5: "Do you have a major contribution or a reference document ready for submittal?" 22 x No Brazil (ABNT) Bulgaria (BDS) Canada (SCC) China (SAC) Czech Republic (CNI) Denmark (DS) Finland (SFS) France (AFNOR) Italy (UNI) Japan (JISC) Kenya (KEBS) Korea, Republic of (KATS) Malta (MSA) Netherlands (NEN) New Zealand (SNZ) Norway (SN) Poland (PKN) Romania (ASRO) Sweden (SIS) Switzerland (SNV) United Kingdom (BSI) USA (ANSI) 5 x Abstain Chile (INN) Colombia (ICONTEC) India (BIS) Kazakhstan (KAZMEMST) Malaysia (DSM) 1 x Yes Germany (DIN)

Answers to Q.6: "Will you have such a contribution in ninety days?" 19 x No Brazil (ABNT) Bulgaria (BDS) Czech Republic (CNI) Denmark (DS) Finland (SFS) Italy (UNI) Japan (JISC) Kenya (KEBS) Korea, Republic of (KATS) Malta (MSA) Netherlands (NEN) New Zealand (SNZ) Norway (SN) Poland (PKN) Romania (ASRO) Sweden (SIS) Switzerland (SNV) United Kingdom (BSI)

USA (ANSI) 7 x Abstain Canada (SCC) Chile (INN) Colombia (ICONTEC) France (AFNOR) India (BIS) Kazakhstan (KAZMEMST) Malaysia (DSM) 2 x Yes China (SAC) Germany (DIN)

Comments from Voters Member: Comment: Date: Brazil (ABNT) Comment 2008-07-29 14:52:46 The local committee considers that, since ISO/IEC 29500 has not been published yet and it is still on the appeals phase, this is not the adequate time to approve the creation of this working group. If the official version of ISO/IEC 29500 becomes widely avaiable by ISO, this committee will again deliberate if it considers this working group worth of creation. Canada (SCC) Comment 2008-07-14 16:18:57 John Weigelt -johnwei@microsoft.com China (SAC) Comment 2008-07-16 05:18:20 Fang Chunyan Germany (DIN) Comment 2008-07-28 07:31:28 Mario Wendt New Zealand (SNZ) Comment 2008-07-25 06:04:09 ODF will be progressing to v1.2 soon and OOXML will presumably be updated to another version by the time work on this project starts. There is little point in translating between ODF 1.0 and OOXML 1.0. New Zealand expects that the project team would work on the latest versions available. Provided as mentioned above, that the work is based on the latest versions of the docs available nd not restrict the develpment work to Version 1.0 only. New Zealand would like to see plans for ongoing work and continuing alignment with the developing ODF standard Switzerland (SNV) Comment File 2008-07-28 14:02:48 CommentFiles/Switzerland(SNV).doc

United Kingdom (BSI) Comment 2008-07-16 17:26:13 While in principle we support the general goals of such a project, in the absence of a final text for DIS 29500 it is impossible to determine what the precise scope or programme of work, and especially the timescale, should be. The draft supplied with the Proposal has many gaps and only serves to highlight the problem of not having a final text to work with. An accelerated timescale for producing such a Technical Report would seem unrealistic given the uncertainty as to if and when a final text will be made available. USA (ANSI) Comment 2008-07-28 21:02:11 TR should be based on both ISO/IEC standards when they become available.

Comments from Commenters Member: Comment: Date: Greece (ELOT) Comment 2008-07-29 15:41:05 ELOT answers to Q 1-6 Answer to Q1: Yes Answer to Q2: Yes Answer to Q3: No Answer to Q4: No Answer to Q5: No Answer to Q6: No Mexico (DGN) Comment File 2008-07-24 16:48:29 CommentFiles/Mexico(DGN).doc Spain (AENOR) Comment 2008-07-29 10:42:35 Spain abstain on the mentioned document.

Template for comments and secretariat observations

Date: 2008-07-28 Document: 34N1035 NWI 1 1 2 (3) 4 5 (6) (7) MB Clause No./ Subclause No./ Annex (e.g. 3.1) Paragraph/ Figure/Table/ Note (e.g. Table 1) Type of comment 2 Comment (justification for change) by the MB Proposed change by the MB Secretariat observations on each comment submitted

CH 1 3rd paragraph “graphical fidelity” te It is easily overlooked that the preservation of page breaks, page numbers and line breaks is often of much greater importance than other aspects of graphical fidelity, because page numbers and line numbers are often used in referencing a particular point in a document, and the ease and reliability of communication about such references is greatly reduced if page breaks, page numbers or line breaks can change during document translation. Explain at the end of the paragraph that the preservation of page breaks, page numbers and line breaks is often of particular importance, in order to preserve the accuracy and validity of refernces to points in the document from outside the document. CH 2.3.4 te It should be explained that the lastRenderedPageBreak element of OOXML is not only useful for assistive technologies (as often falsely claimed), but that it can also be used to provide a useful tool for the preservation of page-break information across document format conversions. (Does ODF have an equivalent feature?) Provide the info.

1 MB = Member body (enter the ISO 3166 two-letter country code, e.g. CN for China; comments from the ISO/CS editing unit are identified by ** ) 2 Type of comment: ge = general te = technical ed = editorial NOTE Columns 1, 2, 4, 5 are compulsory.

page of 1

ISO electronic balloting commenting template/version 2001-10

VOTE ON NEW WORK ITEM PROPOSAL Date of circulation 2008-04-06 Reference number of associated New Work Item Proposal ISO/TC JTC1 /SC 34 N 1035Closing date for voting 2008-07-29

Circulated to P-members of the committee for vote and to

ISO/TC JTC1 /SC 34

O-members for information, in accordance with 2.3.4 of

Title Document Description and Processing

part 1 of the ISO/IEC Directives.

Languages

P-members of the technical committee or subcommittee concerned have an obligation to vote.

Secretariat National Body (Mx) Please send this form, duly completed at all points, to the Secretariat indicated above.

Title of proposal Proposal for New Work Item on OpenDocument Format (ISO/IEC 26300) / Office Open XML Translation (ISO/IEC 29500).

Evaluation of market relevance of the proposal: (Not applicable to those member bodies who are abstaining. It is recommended that this evaluation be carried out by a reasonably large number of stakeholders and the average of the various points given be subsequently reflected on the voting forms.)

low high

1 2 3 4 5

1. What is the potential of this project to contribute to international trade and production? 2. What is the potential of this project to contribute to economic efficiency, health, safety, or the environment? 3. How great is the need to harmonize national approaches in this subject area that may serve as barriers to international trade? 4. What is the feasibility of achieving consensus on International Standard(s) in this subject area by the proposed target dates? 5. What priority should be assigned to the development of International Standard(s) in this subject area? (Comments, including proposals for modification of the scope, may be annexed.) Total points

Do you agree, as the responsible member body, that the requirements in Annex Q of Part 1 of the ISO/IEC Directives on the Justification of proposals for the establishment of standards have been met by this proposal?

YES

NO

FORM 5 (ISO)

Version 2000.1

1 We agree to the addition of the proposed new work item to the programme of work of the committee: YES

NO

We abstain/have no interest

2 We are prepared to participate in the development of the project (even if voting against), i.e. to make an effective contribution at the preparatory stage, at least by commenting on working drafts:

YES*

NO

* Name(s) and address(es) of nominated experts (mandatory) 3 We would agree with direct submission of the draft attached to the new work item proposal as a DIS YES

NO (Submission as a DIS requires approval by a two-thirds majority of those voting)

4 Standard(s), regulation(s), and other relevant documentation existing in our country, with any remarks concerning their application if necessary, are attached:

YES

NO If "yes", please give references here, or as a separate annex:

An annex is attached to this form

P-member voting Mx Date July 11th, 2008. Name Mexican committee

FORM 5 (ISO)

Version 2000.1

Comments

Recent Techrights' Posts

Microsoft's Bing Falls to Fourth in the Europe/Asia-Based Turkey, Share Halved Since LLM Hype, Now Only 1% (Sometimes Less)
Turkey (Eurasia) is another example of Microsoft failing with LLM hype and just burning a lot of energy in vain (investment without returns)
Backlash and Negative Press After Microsoft Tells Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) People to DIE
Follow-up stories
Censorship as Signal of Opportunity for Reform
It remains sad and ironic that Wikileaks outsourced so much of its official communications to Twitter (now X)
The World Wide Web Has Been Rotting for Years (Quality, Accuracy, and Depth Consistently Decreasing)
In the past people said that the Web had both "good" and "bad" and that the good outweighed the bad
Comoros: Windows Plunges to Record Low of About 6% in Country of a Million People (in 2010 Windows Was 100%)
Many of these people earn a few dollars a day; they don't care for Microsoft's "Hey Hi PC" hype
The Mail (MX) Server Survey for July 2024 Shows Microsoft Collapsing to Only 689 Servers or 0.17% of the Whole (It Used to be About 25%)
Microsoft became so insignificant and the most astounding thing is how the media deliberate ignores it or refuses to cover it
Windows Down From 98.5% to 22.9% in Hungary
Android is up because more people buy smaller mobile devices than laptops
Microsoft Windows in Algeria: From 100% to Less Than 15%
Notice that not too long ago Windows was measured at 100%. Now? Not even 15%.
Microsoft Windows "Market Share" in New Zealand Plunges to 25%
Android rising
SUSE Goes Aryan: You May Not Use the Germanic Brand Anymore (It's Monopolised by the Corporation)
Worse than grammar Nazis
Gratis But Not Free as in Freedom: How Let's Encrypt is Dying in Geminispace
Let's Encrypt is somewhat of a dying breed where the misguided CA model is shunned
 
Fedora Week of Diversity (FWD) 2024 Attracting 0.01% of the IBM Staff "Was a Success"
They expect volunteers (unpaid slaves) to do the PR for them...
African's Largest Population (Nigeria) Approaching 80% Android "Market Share" Amid Steady Monthly Increases While Microsoft Has Mass Layoffs in Nigeria
Microsoft- and Apple-sponsored Western (or English-speaking) media chooses to ignore that or treat it as irrelevant (a racist disposition in its own right)
[Meme] The Warlord's Catspaw
Thugs that troll us
Microsoft Misogyny Will be the Fall of Microsoft (Covering Up for Misogynists is a Huge Mistake and Highly Misguided Short-term Strategy)
Microsoft's undoing may in fact be its attitude towards women
Red Hat Keeps Behaving Like a Microsoft Reseller (for Proprietary Stuff!), Microsoft Employees as Authors in redhat.com
In some ways this reminds us of Novell
UEFI 'Secure Boot' Once Again Bricking PCs and Fake Security Models Are Perishing in Geminispace
Let's Encrypt has just fallen again
Links 17/07/2024: New Attacks on the Press, European Patents Squashed Even at Kangaroo Court (UPC)
Links for the day
Gemini Links 17/07/2024: Proponents of Censorship and New Arrivals at Gemini
Links for the day
Links 17/07/2024: School Budget Meltdown and Modern Cars as Tracking Nightmares
Links for the day
This Should Certainly be Illegal, But the Person Who Helped Microsoft Do This is Still Attacking the Critics of It
perhaps time for an "I told you so post"
[Meme] A Computer With an Extra Key on the Keyboard Isn't Everyone's Priority
(so your telling me meme)
Africa as an Important Reminder That Eradicating Microsoft Doesn't Go Far Enough
Ideally, if our top goal is bigger than "get rid of Microsoft", we need to teach people to choose and use devices that obey them, not GAFAM
Billions of Computers Run Linux and Many Use Debian (or a Derivative of It)
many devices never get updated or even communicate with the Net, so exhaustive tallies are infeasible
[Meme] Microsoft is Firing
Don't worry, Microsoft will have some new vapourware coming soon
More DEI (or Similar) Layoffs on the Way, According to Microsoft Team Leader
What happened shortly before Independence Day wasn't the end of it, apparently
[Meme] Many Volunteers Now Realise the "Open" in "OpenSUSE" or "openSUSE" Was Labour-Mining
Back to coding, packaging and testing, slaves
Over at Tux Machines...
GNU/Linux news for the past day
IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, July 16, 2024
IRC logs for Tuesday, July 16, 2024
[Meme] Ein Factory
A choice between "masters" (or "master race") is a false choice that results in mass exploitation and ultimately eradication (when there's little left to exploit)
Links 17/07/2024: Open Source Initiative Lies and Dark Net Thoughts
Links for the day
Media Distorting Truth to Promote Ignorance
online media is rapidly collapsing
Android Rises to New Highs of Almost 80% in Cameroon
How many dozens of nations will see Windows at under 10% this coming winter?
Links 16/07/2024: TikTok Ban in Europe and Yandex Split
Links for the day
Gemini Links 16/07/2024: On Packrafting and on Trump Shot
Links for the day
[Meme] Firefox Users Who Think They Know Better Than Mozilla
Enjoy Firebook
Firefox Used to Have About Half the Market in Switzerland, But It Doesn't Stand a Chance Anymore (Chrome Surging This Summer)
Mozilla has managed to alienate some of the biggest fans of Firefox
Microsoft's Biggest Losses Are in Europe This Summer
Microsoft's ability to milk a relatively rich Europe is fast diminishing
How to Make Software Suck and Discriminate Against People at the Same Time
ageism glorified
Bing Was at 2.6% in Russia When LLM Hype Started. Now It's Down to 0.8% (for 3 Months in a Row Already)
The sharp fall of Bing may mean that exiting the Russian market won't matter to anybody
[Meme] Microsoft Seems to be Failing to Comply With WARN Act (by Refusing to Announce Mass Layoffs as They Happen)
since when does Microsoft obey the law anyway?
Microsoft Layoffs Are Still Too Frequent to Keep Abreast of and Properly (or Exhaustively) Classify
The "HR" department knows what's happening, but whistleblowers from there are rare
Bahamas Joined the "5% Windows" Club
statCounter only traces back about 1 in 20 Web requests to Windows
Links 16/07/2024: Salesforce Layoffs and Microsoft's DMARC Fail
Links for the day
Antenna Abuse and Gemini Abuse (Self-hosting Perils)
Perhaps all this junk is a sign of Gemini growing up
Possibly Worse Than Bribes: US Politicians and Lawmakers Who Are Microsoft Shareholders
They will keep bailing out Microsoft to bail themselves out
The Software Freedom Conservancy Folks Don't Even Believe in Free Speech and They Act As Imposters (Also in the Trademark Arena/Sense)
Software Freedom Conservancy was already establishing a reputation for itself as a G(I)AFAM censor/gatekeeper
Djibouti Enters the Windows "10% Club" (Windows Was 99% in 2010)
In Africa in general Microsoft lost control
GNU/Linux Share Doubled in the United States of America (USA) in the Past 12 Months
Or so says statCounter
Even in North Korea (Democratic People's Republic Of Korea) Google Said to Dominate, Microsoft Around 1%
Google at 93.26%
[Meme] The Red Bait (Embrace... Extinguish)
They set centos on fire, then offer a (de facto) proprietary substitute for a fee
Shooting the Messenger to Spite the Message
segment of a Noam Chomsky talk
[Video] Boston Area Assange Defense (Yesterday)
It was published only hours ago
Guinea: Windows Down From 99.3% to 2.7% 'Market Share'
Guinea is not a small country
Over at Tux Machines...
GNU/Linux news for the past day
IRC Proceedings: Monday, July 15, 2024
IRC logs for Monday, July 15, 2024
What's Meant by "Antenna Abuse" (Gemini)
syndication is not a monopoly in Gemini and if one doesn't condone political censorship, then one can create one's own syndication service/capsule
Microsoft Layoffs and Entire Unit Termination: Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion
What an announcement to make just before Independence Day
Links 16/07/2024: Old Computer Challenge and One Page Dungeon Contest
Links for the day
Microsoft Falls Further and Closer Towards 10% (Windows "Market Share") in Kuwait
more countries entering the "single-digit Windows" (under 10%) club
Gemini Links 15/07/2024: Antenna's Pro-Hamas Bias Revisited and Old Computer Challenge
Links for the day
[Video] Julian Assange, Over One Decade Ago, Cautioning About What the Internet Had Truly Become
video is not new
Homage to Malta
Malta is probably easy for Microsoft to bribe
IRC at 16
Logging has been used for us and against us
In Malta, Android/Linux Has Overtaken Microsoft Windows (According to statCounter)
statCounter milestone?
Links 15/07/2024: China’s Economic Problems, Boeing Under Fire
Links for the day
500 Days' Uptime Very Soon
Good luck doing that with Windows...
Windows Falls Below 20% in Tunisia
A month ago we wrote about GNU/Linux in Tunisia
Links 15/07/2024: Google Wants Wiz and Why "Sports Ruin Everything"
Links for the day
Gemini Links 15/07/2024: Old Computer Challenge and Sending Files via NNCP
Links for the day
Over at Tux Machines...
GNU/Linux news for the past day
IRC Proceedings: Sunday, July 14, 2024
IRC logs for Sunday, July 14, 2024