| schestowitz | Yes, that too. | Aug 12 00:01 |
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| twitter | In the mean time, truth comes out of the niches. | Aug 12 00:06 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, see the Ernie Ballm video I just posted a link to (Ogg) | Aug 12 00:06 |
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| twitter | I'm thick. Where did you post it? | Aug 12 00:09 |
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| schestowitz | Here: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/1... It's actually Sterling, not Ernie. | Aug 12 00:10 |
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| schestowitz | Anyway, I'll catch you tomorrow. | Aug 12 00:10 |
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| twitter | later | Aug 12 00:10 |
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| schestowitz | Been marked as away by accident but I'm off to bed. | Aug 12 00:11 |
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| twitter | ugh. http://tech.slashdot.org/artic... | Aug 12 04:40 |
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| twitter | on that note, I'm going to bed. | Aug 12 04:41 |
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| PetoKraus | nice summary article, roy; | Aug 12 07:12 |
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| schestowitz | Which one? | Aug 12 07:13 |
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| PetoKraus | eye on MS | Aug 12 07:17 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, I thought about doing this more regularly. I asked twitter about it yesterday. | Aug 12 07:18 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: Slahshdot just plays with people's emotions, IMHO, essentially promoting Microsoft's Direct-lockin-X. For a more balanced coverage of an important release http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?... . Thanks for reminding me why I don't read Slashdot. | Aug 12 07:53 |
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| kentma1 | ahh, just given up with Peter K trying to explain why you can't virtualise a device driver... | Aug 12 08:16 |
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| kentma1 | He doesn't seem to grasp the issue of infinite recursion. | Aug 12 08:16 |
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| kentma1 | Now onto the digest :-) | Aug 12 08:16 |
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| schestowitz | PK is a knowall. | Aug 12 08:17 |
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| kentma1 | And Radio 3 is playing Satie Gymno'1 | Aug 12 08:17 |
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| kentma1 | schestowitz: He's often very good, but when he's mistaken, he just gets abusive, tries to polarise debate, and force others into taking a black & white stand. I don't know why; he's smart enough to not need to do that. | Aug 12 08:18 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, he's like that. The man I did my PhD with was the same. | Aug 12 08:18 |
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| schestowitz | Minus the abuse. | Aug 12 08:19 |
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| kentma1 | I suspect Peter K wouldn't do the abuse personally, but usenet provides fewer social controls than personal interaction. | Aug 12 08:19 |
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| kentma1 | The other "ongoing" debate is the refusal of so many of our cola friends to accept that mobility is the future; it's quite ironic that people who can embrace such revolutionary things as the GPL struggle with accepting that people are mostly social and mostly mobile and don't want to be tied to a machine. | Aug 12 08:21 |
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| schestowitz | Desktops are needed for COLA typos. To others, the new 'apps' are Google, Facebook, and some Web-based thing to write letters in. | Aug 12 08:23 |
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| schestowitz | I hate it when people are brainwashed to the point where it's 'dangerous' to say something bad about pet 'charities', but there you go: http://boycottnovell.com/200... | Aug 12 10:38 |
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| kentma | i was just noting Timmy's response to your Tim Bray posting - the t*sser x-posted to loads of groups, and then wonders why I find him despicable. | Aug 12 10:44 |
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| schestowitz | I didn't see that. | Aug 12 10:46 |
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| *schestowitz checks | Aug 12 10:46 |
| schestowitz | Well, I now know that Tim has a friend. He feeds it leftovers. | Aug 12 10:47 |
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| kentma | :-) | Aug 12 10:57 |
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| schestowitz | Timmy Funkenbusch can't help hackling me: http://digg.com/linux_unix/GNU_... | Aug 12 12:01 |
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| kentma | Nasty character. | Aug 12 12:32 |
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| kentma | Just been having a very interesting discussion with Phil Da Lick about desktop, mobility, outsourcing and trust. | Aug 12 12:33 |
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| kentma | I realised during the process of this discussion that most people are quite happy to outsource their health, food production, money guarding, vehicle safety and so on to 3rd parties, almost without a thought, but the idea of outsourcing a bit of local data seems scary. This must surely be the result of 2+ decades of unreliable software. | Aug 12 12:34 |
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| schestowitz | Phil Da Lick is from the UK, right? He has been in the forum for years. | Aug 12 12:36 |
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| kentma | He's been here a long time, yes. | Aug 12 12:37 |
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| kentma | It was very interesting how he mis-analyses risk - I don't want to be too critical, though - I hadn't really thought much about this until recently. | Aug 12 12:38 |
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| schestowitz | Have you seen the fiasco and fine about accepting foreigners but not US workers... by an American company? | Aug 12 12:38 |
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| kentma | haha - no, who was that? | Aug 12 12:38 |
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| schestowitz | By the way, there was a massive GMail outage that disrupted many people's work yesterday. | Aug 12 12:38 |
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| kentma | Many years ago, I heard a woman ask the rep for GEC McMichael (television manufacturer of long ago) why their televisions kept breaking down. He replied that they could make a 100% reliable set, but she wouldn't be prepared to pay for it. | Aug 12 12:40 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008... | Aug 12 12:40 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe that's why the Olympics BSoD-ed. Shameful: http://www.theage.com.au/news/arti... | Aug 12 12:41 |
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| schestowitz | And all because of a memorandum of understanding-like contract with Microsoft, which tried unsuccessfully to also forcefeed them Vista. | Aug 12 12:41 |
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| kentma | Silly b*ggers should've gone for something reliable. | Aug 12 12:42 |
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| schestowitz | http://blogs.king5.com/arch... | Aug 12 12:42 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.itwire.com/cont... | Aug 12 12:44 |
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| kentma | "It was very unfortunate but computer glitches can't be helped." | Aug 12 12:46 |
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| kentma | This rather sums up the result of 25 years of Microsoft. People /expect/ computers to fail. | Aug 12 12:47 |
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| schestowitz | That was the Seattle Needle. They needed to use something that pleases the local crowd, I think. As for Gates and the Olympics, see my latest post. He holds China by the pockets. IIRC, the glorification of him there had a study suggest that Chinese women want his *ahem* sperm the most. He's there in China at the moment trying to get all kids 'addicted' (his words). | Aug 12 12:49 |
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| schestowitz | This one is good: http://blogs.controltheorypro... | Aug 12 12:53 |
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| kentma | yes, he's got it. | Aug 12 13:18 |
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| kentma | I'm sure the chinese will get bored of him soon. | Aug 12 13:18 |
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| schestowitz | I don't know. Microsoft shares a lot of things (commonalities) with the regime there and they probably will want to protest/glorify in exchange for snoops and such. They were doing lots of this last year. I could fetch some refs. | Aug 12 13:23 |
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| Tallken | completely OT: biggest BSOD ever: http://www.bit.pt/Bit/Not%ADciascompl... | Aug 12 13:33 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks, seen it (and seen it coming ;-) ) | Aug 12 13:34 |
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| Tallken | lol | Aug 12 13:37 |
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| Tallken | but we can't laugh too much | Aug 12 13:37 |
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| Tallken | let me search for a pic | Aug 12 13:37 |
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| Tallken | http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php... | Aug 12 13:39 |
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| schestowitz | The guy who counts GPLv3 conversions has just left. http://gpl3.blogspot.com/2008/08/gpl-p... | Aug 12 13:39 |
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| Tallken | X11 crashed on a supermarket | Aug 12 13:39 |
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| Tallken | though I was surprised they used Linux as a backend | Aug 12 13:39 |
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| Tallken | and guess in which section??? (hint: DMCA) | Aug 12 13:40 |
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| Tallken | in CD sells xD | Aug 12 13:40 |
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| schestowitz | /your/ photo? | Aug 12 13:40 |
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| Tallken | as a terminal to hear the songs on CDs before buying them | Aug 12 13:40 |
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| Tallken | the link doesn't work? I think the my.php makes no difference | Aug 12 13:41 |
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| schestowitz | To be honest, I don't know from personal experience how much XP crashes. Older versions didn't work we though. | Aug 12 13:41 |
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| schestowitz | It's an overkill to use Windows or full-fledged Linux for something like an audio station. BTW, Microsoft rejected Vista for the next embedded platform. It's back to XP. | Aug 12 13:42 |
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| Tallken | lol why am I not surprised | Aug 12 13:43 |
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| Tallken | the thing that saddens me | Aug 12 13:43 |
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| Tallken | is some issues on XP were to be fixed during two SP | Aug 12 13:43 |
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| Tallken | I didn't test SP3 | Aug 12 13:43 |
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| schestowitz | They renamed it though, to compete with Linux. | Aug 12 13:43 |
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| Tallken | but XP, XP SP1 and XP SP2 had this annoying bug which would set svchost.exe at 100% of CPU usage | Aug 12 13:44 |
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| schestowitz | I never installed an SP, but I read about glitches in SP3. | Aug 12 13:44 |
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| Tallken | renamed it to what?? | Aug 12 13:44 |
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| schestowitz | Let me checl. | Aug 12 13:44 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.efytimes.com/efytim... " Microsoft Worried Over Linux Dominance In Embedded Space... Renames its family of products to target the embedded market." | Aug 12 13:45 |
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| schestowitz | "Who's afraid of embedded Linux? Microsoft" http://www.cnet.com/8301-13505_1-9919632-... | Aug 12 13:45 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/N... "Linux still top embedded OS" | Aug 12 13:46 |
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| kentma | Linux is only going to grow in this space. | Aug 12 13:48 |
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| kentma | Incidentally, in the discussion with Phil Da Lick on desktop versus mobility, I've come across some interesting facts: | Aug 12 13:48 |
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| schestowitz | Hmm.... Lenny will probably be delayed http://www.philkern.de/weblog/en/debi... | Aug 12 13:48 |
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| kentma | 1. in 2003 unit sales of laptops exceeded desktops | Aug 12 13:49 |
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| kentma | arggh sorry wrong | Aug 12 13:49 |
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| schestowitz | Well, there's only agile platform for gadgets that run on battery. | Aug 12 13:49 |
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| kentma | 1. in 2003 €£value of laptop sales exceeded desktop sales | Aug 12 13:49 |
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| kentma | 2. in 2005, unit sales of laptops exceeded that of desktops. | Aug 12 13:49 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, the gap widens all the time. IDC showed it recently. | Aug 12 13:49 |
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| kentma | That was *3* years ago! | Aug 12 13:49 |
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| kentma | The battle now, though, is surely in the ultra-mobile & devices space, which outstripped the PC market several years ago too. | Aug 12 13:50 |
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| schestowitz | By the way, I loved it when I saw a ZDNet page a few hours ago and someone in the comments corrected the article, quoting the Linux 4% figure that I put in Digg. | Aug 12 13:50 |
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| kentma | hehe! | Aug 12 13:50 |
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| schestowitz | I'm hoping that people will start talking about this 4% on the desktop thing. A lot of Big Lies need to rest. | Aug 12 13:51 |
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| schestowitz | BTW, I suspect Intel and Microsoft have begun jacking up the price of subnotebooks (price-fixing). | Aug 12 13:52 |
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| schestowitz | They first needed to battle OLPC and kill it using Classmates that are sold at a loss and things like the promise of the $199 Eee PC. | Aug 12 13:52 |
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| schestowitz | Then, having done some damage Intel can raise the price of the Atom. AMD is too injured to enter this space not after the OLPC's Geode (IIRC) is, well... not that interesting despite being 10 times more efficient than Intel. | Aug 12 13:53 |
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| kentma | Isn't ARM the best hope here, though? | Aug 12 13:57 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I think. They have something in the works. I'll fetch the list of companies involved (it sort of leaked). Mozilla is among them, IIRC... | Aug 12 13:59 |
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| schestowitz | Here's ome report: http://www.infoworld.com/article/07/10/03/Mozilla-... | Aug 12 14:00 |
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| kentma | there are several smaller arm devices out there, like the freerunner (I think), pandora, n800/n810/770, archos? , gp2x, most nokia smartphones... | Aug 12 14:05 |
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| kentma | yeah, that looks about right. | Aug 12 14:05 |
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| schestowitz | Wake me up when Intel does phone. http://www.news.com/8301-13579_3-98... (ARM plans Android demonstration at MWC ) | Aug 12 14:06 |
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| schestowitz | http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/200... "ARM today announced that the total number of processors shipped by its Partners has exceeded ten billion." | Aug 12 14:08 |
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| kentma | Their sales dwarf that of the traditional computing world. | Aug 12 14:12 |
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| kentma | Shipping 3bn/yr is amazing, and I think it will likely rise still further. | Aug 12 14:13 |
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| schestowitz | Yes. Based on what I hear, only about 2% of the chips end up in desktops (maybe servers too, but I'll need to check) | Aug 12 14:13 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/... | Aug 12 14:18 |
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| schestowitz | It's a rebuttal that's identical but inverted to some FUD from Digg. | Aug 12 14:19 |
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| kentma | I've looked up the chip sales numbers before. Computer sales, in spite of their high profile, are actually fairly small numbers for overall processor sales, but are huge for Intel & AMD. | Aug 12 14:29 |
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| twitter | Good morning. I'm trying to catch up with the above. | Aug 12 15:13 |
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| schestowitz | Please do. I made some remarks to you. | Aug 12 15:14 |
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| twitter | Big ha ha about the Olympic BSoD. H1B is not funny. | Aug 12 15:16 |
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| schestowitz | I saw reports about it like a year ago. | Aug 12 15:20 |
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| twitter | XP never became reliable. It's performance is about what you could expect from any version of Windoze. | Aug 12 15:24 |
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| PetoKraus | that olympics is great | Aug 12 15:24 |
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| PetoKraus | :D | Aug 12 15:24 |
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| twitter | Yes, I remember out conversation yesterday. I like the "eye on microsoft" segregation. | Aug 12 15:26 |
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| PetoKraus | yep, that's nice | Aug 12 15:26 |
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| schestowitz | I'll do that again then (Microsoft bashing). | Aug 12 15:27 |
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| schestowitz | I just sometimes worry that critique (how Microsoft harms FOSS) gives less ammunition against us than bashing (Microsoft screwing up). | Aug 12 15:27 |
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| twitter | The whole point M$ harming free software is to make the world safe for their second rate stuff. Stories about M$ screw ups happen but they are hard to find because the Wintel press buries it with apologies and bullshit with the same words in it. Collecting the truth is not "bashing", it's just a memory tool. | Aug 12 15:35 |
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| twitter | You come across all of the bad news when you research M$ sabotage and it does not take that much effort to catalog it, does it? | Aug 12 15:36 |
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| schestowitz | Okay. By the way, my argument above should be the very opposite (didn't proofread). It's the 'bashing' that can be used to discredit us. Trust me, I've seen that. | Aug 12 15:36 |
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| schestowitz | Cherry-picking takes some time. Many articles are ads in disguise (as a story). | Aug 12 15:37 |
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| twitter | Oh sure. I've seen the "bashing" is counter productive argument. It goes hand in hand with the "hater" smear you are familiar with. Telling the truth should never discredit you. | Aug 12 15:37 |
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| schestowitz | well, what one thinks and is independent from what others think. | Aug 12 15:38 |
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| schestowitz | You can parrot RMS in a board room very proudly, but it won't necessary prove fruitful. | Aug 12 15:38 |
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| twitter | Don't confuse what the trolls tell you with what people really think. | Aug 12 15:39 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I know. | Aug 12 15:39 |
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| schestowitz | That said, the trolls add to unnecessary noise that shadows the message. | Aug 12 15:39 |
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| schestowitz | Just watch this comment from an hour ago: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/07... (latest one). They accuse me of being a shill. | Aug 12 15:40 |
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| twitter | I'm not sure what you mean by "board room" but executive level people understand the concepts of peer review very well. They are also receptive to the notion that free software provides large returns for little investment. | Aug 12 15:42 |
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| schestowitz | Not all of them. First of all, can you use the term "free software"? Also, would you approach this by comparison to peer reviews? RMS never does that. | Aug 12 15:43 |
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| twitter | RMS might not, but I'm not a parrot. | Aug 12 15:44 |
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| twitter | I like the term free software. | Aug 12 15:44 |
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| schestowitz | The way it's used, you'd think it's an adjective relating to software, not the user. | Aug 12 15:45 |
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| twitter | It intentionally invokes cold war terminology, "free world" and that has deep resonance with the age group likely to be found in a board room. They understand that freedom involves a framework. | Aug 12 15:47 |
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| twitter | Military types and people who grew up in communist countries especially understand this. | Aug 12 15:49 |
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| schestowitz | In COLA (USENET), we have at least one anti-GPL propagandist (troll) who gre up in the USSR. | Aug 12 15:49 |
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| kentma | Perhaps he was so used to being "owned" he's never been able to give it up. Freedom is a very hard thing for people to grasp, many people genuinely seem to prefer to be shown the way. | Aug 12 15:50 |
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| twitter | Chances are, they are not what they say they are. Trolls are liars. | Aug 12 15:51 |
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| kentma | Ah, be careful and consider precisely what I said... | Aug 12 15:51 |
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| schestowitz | They appear in the wrong places, that's why they are trolls. | Aug 12 15:51 |
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| schestowitz | I have no problem with someone who protests against the GPL (computer users' freedom), but not in a FOSS/Linux forum. I don't go to Windows forums criticising Microsoft and people who are in the forum. | Aug 12 15:52 |
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| twitter | If they are there to disrupt reasonable conversation, you can't trust anything they say. | Aug 12 15:53 |
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| twitter | Honest people don't do what trolls do. | Aug 12 15:53 |
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| kentma | personally, I rather despair of these characters, and would prefer them to inhabit a group suitable for their material. | Aug 12 15:53 |
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| kentma | twitter: in their view, though, they probably are being honest. They've agreed with a paymaster to deliver some goods, and that's what they're doing. | Aug 12 15:53 |
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| PetoKraus | twitter: are you the twitter at /. ? | Aug 12 15:54 |
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| twitter | Yes, I am. | Aug 12 15:54 |
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| PetoKraus | :D yes. | Aug 12 15:54 |
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| twitter | thanks. | Aug 12 15:55 |
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| PetoKraus | you know, resorting to _their_ tactics isn't best way to.. change people's mind. | Aug 12 15:55 |
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| twitter | I don't know what you are talking about. | Aug 12 15:56 |
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| PetoKraus | ah, BSOD@OG hit /. | Aug 12 15:56 |
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| PetoKraus | well, sockpuppettry you've been several times accused of, and which i personally believe you do. But that's... your thing. | Aug 12 15:56 |
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| *kentma ducks below parapet to watch | Aug 12 15:57 |
| *kentma throws bucket of slime to encourage polite debate :-) | Aug 12 15:57 |
| schestowitz | I realise that trolls act like a hard-to-get girl in the sense that they say "no" when you are on the right topic. That relates to the earlier discussion about "Microsoft bashing", which they try hard to discouraging by attacking. | Aug 12 15:57 |
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| PetoKraus | :D no need to, i am finished. | Aug 12 15:58 |
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| schestowitz | *discourage | Aug 12 15:58 |
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| twitter | I've used sock puppets to get around the 2 posts a day that twitter is limited to. | Aug 12 15:58 |
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| twitter | trolls use sock puppets to crap flood the comments. | Aug 12 15:58 |
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| PetoKraus | yes. and any of your comments, even sane ones, are modded down | Aug 12 15:59 |
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| schestowitz | Trolls accused me before of sockpuppetting but I never before have done anything like this. | Aug 12 15:59 |
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| twitter | You don't have a reason to. twitter is a pen name anyway, so other pen names don't make much of a difference to me. | Aug 12 15:59 |
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| twitter | reputation dilution bothers me but twitter has been mod bombed to -1 for about a year now. I've got more to say than 1 or two comments a day. | Aug 12 16:00 |
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| PetoKraus | :) sure, i understand. | Aug 12 16:02 |
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| twitter | People gaming Slashdot would like for me to shut up. I say bad things about M$ and good things about software freedom. They are there to say something else. | Aug 12 16:02 |
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| twitter | They would like Slashdot to read like a M$ advert. | Aug 12 16:03 |
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| PetoKraus | there's massive groupthing at /. | Aug 12 16:03 |
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| PetoKraus | *think... | Aug 12 16:03 |
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| twitter | You can say that about any movement. Thought is what defines it. | Aug 12 16:03 |
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| PetoKraus | though, usually, for a pro-linux comment, you don't get modded down. Bashing is different. | Aug 12 16:03 |
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| schestowitz | I had the same problem at Digg. | Aug 12 16:04 |
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| PetoKraus | moreover, the modding system is kind of collapsed. You don't see much high rated comments these days | Aug 12 16:04 |
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| schestowitz | I was happy enough for over a year, leaving over 10,000 comments and then I had 4 people (at least 2-3 from USENET) modding down all my comments systematically. | Aug 12 16:04 |
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| PetoKraus | doh! many* | Aug 12 16:04 |
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| schestowitz | Even if I posted 40 comments a day, all of them were -3 within hours. I shows this to people at Digg and they believed me. I think it encouraged some of them to step out. | Aug 12 16:05 |
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| twitter | I don't think moderation at slashdot reflects community opinion any more and I don't pay attention to it any more than I pay attention to people who tell me what will bring me good moderation. I'm there to chat, not to gain some kind of egold. | Aug 12 16:05 |
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| schestowitz | redhatcat left over a year ago saying that the place was getting filled with shills. | Aug 12 16:05 |
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| PetoKraus | :) yes, on the other hand - i used to read it frequently back in march & april | Aug 12 16:06 |
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| PetoKraus | since june... well, if i'd read 10 articles.... | Aug 12 16:06 |
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| twitter | People at the BRLUG noticed comments at Slashdot have been worthless for years. | Aug 12 16:06 |
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| PetoKraus | that's the school holiday ;) | Aug 12 16:06 |
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| twitter | I still bother with Slashdot but the DX10 article was clearly wacky. | Aug 12 16:07 |
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| schestowitz | I didn't follow the link. Where was it and did it support the 'riot' claims? | Aug 12 16:08 |
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| PetoKraus | what irritates me much more these days is gnome.... and epiphany. It used to be a good browser, but they fscked it too much... | Aug 12 16:09 |
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| twitter | Riot? | Aug 12 16:09 |
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| PetoKraus | i've noticed "cloud" related discussion here today | Aug 12 16:10 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: rather than celebrate like most people ("hurray!! OGL 3 is finally here!") they rained on a parade that did not exist. | Aug 12 16:12 |
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| twitter | You handed me a much better article about siggraph and OpenGL than the crazy thing Slashdot ran about people all jumping to DX10 because they hate OpenGL now. | Aug 12 16:12 |
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| PetoKraus | i wouldn't trust anyone with my sensitive data, and, i since i don't know how well are, eg google docs, backed up, i wouldn't trust it with my schoolwork as well. | Aug 12 16:12 |
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| PetoKraus | i mean, DX? come on, the thing which needed 10 versions to render goddamned god-rays? | Aug 12 16:12 |
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| schestowitz | Slashdot is too annoying for me to read. It used t be good, but all I see there these days is Microsoft *LURVES* open source and Anrian Troll (from ZeeDee0 says Linux sucks and might reach 1%. | Aug 12 16:13 |
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| twitter | I think it's because firehose was blown out by people gaming it. One of the things they did to lessen the gaming made it a much less useful tool. I can't figure out how to search by author anymore, so I can't use it to find news from people I trust. | Aug 12 16:15 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, a friend told me about Firehose. I have no personal experience seeing it gamed, so... | Aug 12 16:17 |
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| PetoKraus | hehe, that vmware thing... ouch | Aug 12 16:20 |
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| twitter | It's a lot like dig. The trolls bury stories from people they don't like. | Aug 12 16:20 |
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| twitter | This is part of why Slashdot stories have taken a dive. They were forced to it, I imagine, by trolls flooding the old submission system and Slashdot is all about community input. | Aug 12 16:22 |
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| schestowitz | Same in Digg. There's another issue there which is group voting. | Aug 12 16:23 |
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| twitter | It's more like vote fraud and astroturf. | Aug 12 16:24 |
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| schestowitz | I can almost swear that OOo and Sun did this too, though. A couple of times I submitted something about OOo and out of nowhere came lots of people voting for it. Then it seemed like Digg adjusted something. I can tell Ars Technica has something going on.... they get Dugg no matter the content, almost. | Aug 12 16:24 |
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| schestowitz | Watch my profile in Google Groups. | Aug 12 16:24 |
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| twitter | I don't know about Google Group profiles. | Aug 12 16:25 |
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| schestowitz | Instead of an introduction to self, I needed to explain to errand people what is going on (also because of the personal attacks and endless libel). http://groups.google.com/groups/prof... | Aug 12 16:25 |
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| PetoKraus | nzkrgh | Aug 12 16:26 |
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| schestowitz | Bless you. | Aug 12 16:26 |
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| twitter | I'd rather talk about how to promote GNU/Linux. :) | Aug 12 16:27 |
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| PetoKraus | hehe. I still need to convince my granny... | Aug 12 16:28 |
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| twitter | The peer review thing works well for technical executives because most of them know how science really works. | Aug 12 16:28 |
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| twitter | Non technical executives know about "teamwork" | Aug 12 16:28 |
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| schestowitz | I'm not too sure about that. | Aug 12 16:28 |
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| schestowitz | They are very old-fashioned... the one's I've worked with in academia anyway. | Aug 12 16:29 |
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| schestowitz | CTOs would be a separate thing. CIO... well, again, too senior... too sheltered in Big Vendor. | Aug 12 16:29 |
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| twitter | free software fits their views, it's just that the terms have been poisoned | Aug 12 16:29 |
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| twitter | Vendor talk about "off the shelf" cheapness and competition works for free software too. | Aug 12 16:30 |
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| twitter | Nothing is cheaper than free and reasonable standards make "off the shelf" possible. | Aug 12 16:30 |
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| schestowitz | Thank you, gates: "What is the speed of spam? 7.8 billion messages per hour!" http://www.itwire.com/con... | Aug 12 16:31 |
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| schestowitz | 40% of the Windows PCs out there are estimated to be zombies. "Spam will be a thing of the past in two years’ time." Bill Gates, 2004 | Aug 12 16:31 |
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| schestowitz | "There are no significant bugs in our released software that any significant number of users want fixed." Bill Gates, 1995 | Aug 12 16:32 |
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| schestowitz | "The Internet? We are not interested in it." Bill Gates, 1993 | Aug 12 16:32 |
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| schestowitz | "Like almost everyone who uses e-mail, I receive a ton of spam every day. Much of it offers to help me get out of debt or get rich quick. It would be funny if it weren't so irritating." Bill Gates | Aug 12 16:32 |
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| schestowitz | Gates farts in his own bath and then complains to the parents about the smell. That's how it goes anyway. | Aug 12 16:32 |
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| twitter | Slashdot did an article about a year ago which claims that M$'s own numbers show 70% malware ownership. | Aug 12 16:33 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, but malware and zombies are not the same. | Aug 12 16:33 |
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| twitter | Why not? | Aug 12 16:34 |
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| schestowitz | In China, it's like 90%, IIRC (2006) and 75% in the UK (2006, with a grain of salt). I just assume a Windows PC is fully or partly owned. Any information that goes on it can and /will/ be leaked (*ahem* shared and sold). | Aug 12 16:34 |
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| schestowitz | You can plant a keylogger on a PC, but I'm not sure that means you own the PC. YIt just broadcasts what the only OWn3r does to you. | Aug 12 16:35 |
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| twitter | A computer that has been hit by malware can also be made part of a botnet. It's the weakness that counts, not how kind malware authors are. A computer than runs someone else's software without my permission is essentially owned by that other person. | Aug 12 16:36 |
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| schestowitz | The value of a zombie PC is so low these days (so many of them), so I doubt the world will need HPC and Google Engine in the future, unless things change radically. | Aug 12 16:36 |
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| schestowitz | That would mean that *every* Windows PC is a zombie. | Aug 12 16:37 |
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| schestowitz | The choice of software can be malicious out of the box. | Aug 12 16:37 |
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| twitter | That is true. | Aug 12 16:37 |
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| schestowitz | It's a question of how 'kind' your Masters are. | Aug 12 16:37 |
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| twitter | I'd rather have friends and peers than masters. | Aug 12 16:38 |
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| schestowitz | BTW, Microsoft *does* already retort to ransomware/extortionware. But the people there wear suits, so people accept it as legal. | Aug 12 16:38 |
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| schestowitz | *resort | Aug 12 16:38 |
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| twitter | What problems have you had promoting free software with academic types? | Aug 12 16:39 |
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| schestowitz | Not much because I didn't bother trying. Those whom I spoke to about it were keen (usually the younger adults). The older type thinks of it as foreign and "free" (in a bad sense). | Aug 12 16:40 |
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| schestowitz | In the UK, this can't be started too well. It needs to be pushed from developing countries. Microsoft understands it, which is the reason it attacks the intelligence of South Africans and buys the Chinese authorities. | Aug 12 16:41 |
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| schestowitz | In India it resorted to corruption and today from Malaysia there's this: http://www.openmalaysiablog.com/2008... http://www.openmalaysiablog.com/2008... | Aug 12 16:42 |
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| schestowitz | "Don't you think it's rather presumptuous of this particular foreign company to question the right of a country's choice in a certain product? Maybe it's because all these foreign companies just think that it's not about choosing but about having a choice, and we poor third rate countries haven't the brains to think for ourselves." | Aug 12 16:42 |
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| twitter | I was able to use free software for my work and did not have much of a problem. I had to use a few legacy systems, but they were already made and a time saver that could be treated like a black box. | Aug 12 16:43 |
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| twitter | I did not expect people to change the way they did things but it was not difficult to talk to them about free software. | Aug 12 16:44 |
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| twitter | Well, not too difficult. Most academic types have open minds. | Aug 12 16:45 |
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| schestowitz | They should go Web-based. | Aug 12 16:45 |
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| schestowitz | In my job at Manchester Computing I sometimes needed to connect (from my Linux box) to a Windows server and run some program there like everybody else. They later made a Web interface for it (not tabs-compatible, but oh well...) | Aug 12 16:46 |
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| schestowitz | Anyway, I left that job in September so that I can focus on advocating FOSS. I'v e saved money over the years. | Aug 12 16:47 |
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| twitter | What are you doing these days? | Aug 12 16:48 |
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| twitter | A truly windows only service is something I get from a public terminal. Thank goodness that's rare. | Aug 12 16:49 |
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| schestowitz | I left that job after 6 years, so I'm not just watching the economy dying and rethinking going back. :-) I actually had two jobs in parallel over the years, so I can afford a Sabbatical-like break. | Aug 12 16:49 |
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| schestowitz | My keyboards have a Windows key on them. And yes, *shudders*, I click it sometimes. | Aug 12 16:50 |
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| twitter | Someone on the BRLUG found a use for the windows key. I think they called it a progression key. My thinkpads and model M keyboards do not have windows keys. | Aug 12 16:52 |
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| schestowitz | Hypothetical, 10 years from now: "Mommy, what's that key with the rectangle" [...] "Oh, that like 'Print Screen', honey, it's legacy stuff" | Aug 12 16:52 |
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| twitter | You were working on a PhD? | Aug 12 16:52 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, in late 2005 I finished all the actual work, then it was just something to do in the weekends of whatever. | Aug 12 16:53 |
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| schestowitz | Actually, it was only around the middle of 2006 that I left it as a weekend thing. | Aug 12 16:53 |
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| twitter | Did you defend and all that? | Aug 12 16:54 |
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| twitter | Dr. is a cool title. | Aug 12 16:54 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, passed also. I have like a year to just complete the corrections. | Aug 12 16:54 |
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| twitter | Congratulations. | Aug 12 16:54 |
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| schestowitz | I do about... hmm... like week... that's like what? 50 hours a year? :-) | Aug 12 16:55 |
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| twitter | Be careful to get it done before you forget how to do it. | Aug 12 16:55 |
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| twitter | I'm always shocked at things that I forget. | Aug 12 16:56 |
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| schestowitz | That's the thing I needn't worry about because there's no more examination. | Aug 12 16:56 |
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| schestowitz | It's just handing it in for a nod. | Aug 12 16:56 |
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| schestowitz | I can't remember much about my final years project though. | Aug 12 16:56 |
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| schestowitz | http://othellomaster.com/ It's a good thing that I documented it while it was fresh in my mind. | Aug 12 16:57 |
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| schestowitz | *year, not years | Aug 12 16:57 |
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| twitter | :) | Aug 12 16:59 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmm... what's with Slashdot kicking VMWate in the crotch now? Has it run out of targets? | Aug 12 17:01 |
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| twitter | I saw some old work ... Mars? | Aug 12 17:01 |
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| schestowitz | I've noticed that the Microsoft press and analysts (Yankee, Burton, etc,) have been attacking VMWare non-stop. | Aug 12 17:02 |
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| twitter | They have also been trash talking iPhone and pretty much everything that it a M$ competitor. They are shrill because their stuff is not doing well. | Aug 12 17:03 |
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| twitter | any way .... be sure to get your nod before staff changes. | Aug 12 17:06 |
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| twitter | now I find it. http://schestowitz.com/introduction.htm | Aug 12 17:06 |
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| twitter | It's a little out of date. | Aug 12 17:06 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, very. | Aug 12 17:06 |
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| twitter | Philips, the owners of Pinnacle, were looking for imaging guys recently. It looked like big dumb company and non free hell but they would probably be impressed by your work. | Aug 12 17:09 |
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| schestowitz | Philips are the #1 swpatents felon in Europe. | Aug 12 17:10 |
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| twitter | Like I said, evil. | Aug 12 17:11 |
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| schestowitz | All that stuff that I started here from a professional POV seems secondary now. The companies too are not an enticement because I have no joy in spending. So it seems irrelevant to me -- for now. | Aug 12 17:12 |
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| twitter | Even so, I see M$ charging in to destroy Phillips because they are a Unix user. | Aug 12 17:12 |
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| schestowitz | They are both. | Aug 12 17:13 |
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| schestowitz | They are more like SAP and Microsoft will scoop up some Microsoft-taxed ('approved') SUSE to them. | Aug 12 17:13 |
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| schestowitz | They stopped calling it "coupons" by the way. The honeymoon is over and the Microsoft agents now call it "patent royalties" in front of customers. Novell said this to Asay, from what I can gather. | Aug 12 17:14 |
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| twitter | No, M$ is probably going to back planning systems from other companies that run on Windows. Almost all the other systems I've seen recently are like that and it is sickening. | Aug 12 17:15 |
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| schestowitz | It's just like SCO and indemnification. "Have you used Linux in your company? Yes? Have you paid royalties yet?" They actually collect some from non-Novell Linux users, too. BillyPress doesn't cover this. | Aug 12 17:15 |
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| twitter | I saw that article you did on that. Scary stuff. | Aug 12 17:16 |
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| schestowitz | It's not so scary actually. No knees were harmed. | Aug 12 17:17 |
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| twitter | If M$ gets away with charging rent for free software, they will own it and it won't be free anymore. | Aug 12 17:17 |
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| twitter | Once they own it they will probably destroy it. | Aug 12 17:18 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, that's why it's important to stand up and fight back. Else, the likes of IBMvespian will do their collusion of convenience. | Aug 12 17:18 |
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| schestowitz | IBM is no Saint, either. I don't trust them. | Aug 12 17:18 |
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| twitter | With free software, you don't need to trust IBM unless you want to. | Aug 12 17:20 |
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| schestowitz | To me, personally, this seems like a way of beginning to fight in justice and it seems more important than a pieca' paper and a photo with a funny hat on (phd). Luckily, I did not get sufficiently distracted and i finished all right. I thought about taking a leave back in 2006. | Aug 12 17:21 |
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| twitter | I'm glad you finished. You will be more effective with those credentials than without. | Aug 12 17:24 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, that's why I stayed. | Aug 12 17:25 |
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| schestowitz | The rain has just stopped. I'm off to the gym. Catch you later. | Aug 12 17:26 |
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| schestowitz | The BBC was 'hijacked'. | Aug 12 19:25 |
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| schestowitz | "Which explains why they were pressured to ditch their own Dirac effort and move to an 'open standards' DRM protected open standard .. :) Do they realise yet that they now don't own their own Internet content .. They gave away their Internet business to another company .. :)" | Aug 12 19:25 |
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| schestowitz | 'the time has come for the BBC to start adopting open standards .. why are you not using your own Dirac codec? I am fully committed to the development and success of Dirac, but for now those efforts are focused on high-end broadcast applications' - http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bb... | Aug 12 19:25 |
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| schestowitz | Somone also mailed me this: "See the astroturfers making excuses~1 over on slashdot ... http://entertainment.slashdot... " | Aug 12 19:26 |
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| schestowitz | Ranked "Insightful' : "In fairness to Microsoft, blue screens are normally due to bad hardware drivers. Whatever that thing actually was, it certainly wasn't a normal monitor and I'll bet the drivers are rather specific. And the less people use them, the fewer bugs are found. " | Aug 12 19:27 |
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| schestowitz | I'm catching up with mail... We may have just caught another marketing company that spams the Web on behalf of Microsoft. I'll post about it shortly. | Aug 12 19:30 |
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| twitter | Cool | Aug 12 19:42 |
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| schestowitz | I'll write about it soon. | Aug 12 19:42 |
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| schestowitz | fullsix.com mryouth.com are among the 'marketing' (AstroTurfing) companies . Any information you can find about them (especially accusations) would be handy. I already have a few. | Aug 12 19:43 |
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| Tallken | schestowitz: does anyone have a decent screenshot of the BSOD to determine the cause? Because it is true, usually it's the drivers fault; HOWEVER that argument can be used as a positive argument towards Linux, as all drivers source are available for everyone to fix and at a central point | Aug 12 20:20 |
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| Tallken | I honestly don't understand how MS doesn't demand manufacturer's source of their drivers | Aug 12 20:20 |
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| Tallken | if it is indeed usually a manufacturer's driver fault of most BSODs | Aug 12 20:21 |
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| schestowitz | http://rivercoolcool.spaces.live.com/blog/... | Aug 12 20:21 |
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| Tallken | I think 30% is due to Nvidia/ATI/Intel graphics | Aug 12 20:21 |
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| schestowitz | That's the one a friend sent me. | Aug 12 20:21 |
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| schestowitz | Also: "China Olympic ceremony star mimed http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/as... And they faked the giant footprints .." | Aug 12 20:21 |
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| Tallken | not a driver issue it'd seem | Aug 12 20:22 |
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| Tallken | I'll try to Google it | Aug 12 20:22 |
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| Tallken | need an opinion | Aug 12 20:23 |
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| Tallken | 0x0000...F4 ? | Aug 12 20:23 |
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| Tallken | 0x000000F4 ? | Aug 12 20:24 |
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| schestowitz | Does the diagnosis matter much? | Aug 12 20:24 |
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| Tallken | Ranked "Insightful' : "In fairness to Microsoft, blue screens are normally due to bad hardware drivers. Whatever that thing actually was, it certainly wasn't a normal monitor and I'll bet the drivers are rather specific. And the less people use them, the fewer bugs are found. " | Aug 12 20:24 |
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| schestowitz | Are you sure that's the code? And can you tell what it translates to? | Aug 12 20:24 |
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| Tallken | you can either dismiss as a propaganda | Aug 12 20:24 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, posted this earlier in here. | Aug 12 20:24 |
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| Tallken | or dismiss it with a decent diagnosis of the problem | Aug 12 20:25 |
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| schestowitz | I'm going to post something about the agencies Microsoft hires to post comments. | Aug 12 20:25 |
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| Tallken | yes I know I pasted from your copied text lol | Aug 12 20:25 |
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| Tallken | ok but | Aug 12 20:25 |
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| schestowitz | A friend of mine watched many comments and complained. | Aug 12 20:25 |
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| Tallken | lol I'll comment the Slashdot myself, I want to get part of the fun as well | Aug 12 20:25 |
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| schestowitz | In fact, all my friends who read Slashdot accuse the site of being riddled with abuse. | Aug 12 20:25 |
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| Tallken | I'll share your friend's blog address | Aug 12 20:26 |
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| Tallken | want credit for the URL ? | Aug 12 20:26 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, which blog? | Aug 12 20:26 |
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| Tallken | http://rivercoolcool.spaces.live.com | Aug 12 20:26 |
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| schestowitz | It was just sent to me. I don't know whose blog it is. | Aug 12 20:26 |
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| Tallken | ah ok ok | Aug 12 20:28 |
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| Tallken | Hail BBC site!!!!!!!! Cannot play media. Sorry, this media is not available in your territory. | Aug 12 20:28 |
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| schestowitz | BBC is not to be replied on really. They can't be trusted with money on the table. | Aug 12 20:30 |
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| Tallken | still thinking about it, they disabled reboot on errors lol | Aug 12 20:33 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.electronista.com/article... | Aug 12 20:34 |
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| schestowitz | London Stock Exchange was brave enough to become a Windows case study. The market crashed.. not the stock, but the entire system! | Aug 12 20:36 |
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| schestowitz | A friend of mine has just mailed me with an angry complaint about Astroturfing in Slashdot, specifically /today/. It is that bad today? | Aug 12 20:40 |
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| twitter | It's been that bad for a week or so. | Aug 12 20:44 |
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| twitter | The last few days have been worse than normal. It's always that way at the end of summer because readership is down over summer vacations. | Aug 12 20:45 |
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| twitter | This year is worse than usual. | Aug 12 20:45 |
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| schestowitz | Same in USENET, I think. They attack people, not FOSS or Linux. | Aug 12 20:46 |
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| twitter | When you look at who they attack, it's clear that they are attacking FOSS, Linux, independent music and other free competitors. | Aug 12 20:47 |
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| twitter | On Slashdot, they attack everything sane. Have you ever read anti-slash.org? They publish everything they do. | Aug 12 20:48 |
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| schestowitz | Those that have cash cows and 'marketing' companies | Aug 12 20:48 |
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| schestowitz | Anyway, I've asked someone for some help with unveiling the trolling firms. | Aug 12 20:48 |
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| schestowitz | Also remember Microsoft's elevated marketing budget. | Aug 12 20:49 |
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| twitter | As for the issue of BSoD, the user does not really care if it's a driver or Bill Gate's special ninja code that does it. They only care that it happens on Windows and not so much on other systems. | Aug 12 20:51 |
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| twitter | The less non free software you have, the more stable your system will be. | Aug 12 20:52 |
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| Tallken | Closer look at the BSOD: http://qwyqwq.blu.livefilestore.c... | Aug 12 20:52 |
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| Tallken | twitter: http://img99.imageshack.us/img9... ;) | Aug 12 20:53 |
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| twitter | Thanks, but I've seen enough of those. | Aug 12 20:53 |
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| Tallken | twitter: the last one is X11 ;) | Aug 12 20:53 |
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| Tallken | on a supermarket :) | Aug 12 20:53 |
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| twitter | Yeah, it looks like it lost it's touch screen and it's mind. So what? | Aug 12 20:54 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe they pressed the wrong keys... CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE. :-) File errors.. | Aug 12 20:54 |
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| twitter | No, that usually respawns X | Aug 12 20:55 |
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| twitter | file errors, that's usually a hardware failure sign. | Aug 12 20:55 |
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| Tallken | lol you're using the same excuse as MS :P | Aug 12 21:01 |
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| schestowitz | They have used this excuse for years. | Aug 12 21:02 |
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| twitter | No, free software drivers work and free systems often handle hardware failures gracefully. It's been ages since I've had X crash. | Aug 12 21:03 |
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| schestowitz | KDE4 blamed Nvidia for some driver issues (crashes) too. | Aug 12 21:03 |
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| schestowitz | The Linux developers point a finger at Nvidia as well. | Aug 12 21:03 |
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| twitter | Nvidia is non free software. It is not surprising that non free software does not work well. | Aug 12 21:03 |
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| twitter | The 2D nvidia drivers are free and they work well. | Aug 12 21:03 |
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| schestowitz | Kernel space: drivers that don't make the kernel scene http://www.linuxworld.com/news/2008/06... | Aug 12 21:04 |
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| schestowitz | How NVidia impedes Free Desktop adoption. http://vizzzion.org/?blogentry=819 | Aug 12 21:04 |
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| schestowitz | Linux Foundation points finger at Nvidia http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9975720... | Aug 12 21:04 |
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| schestowitz | Position Statement on Linux Kernel Modules https://www.linuxfoundation.org/e... | Aug 12 21:04 |
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| schestowitz | NVidia says no to request to release open source drivers, once again http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=2588 | Aug 12 21:04 |
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| schestowitz | Linux Kernel Developers Call for Open Source Drivers - Weakly http://technocrat.net/d/2008/6/23/44265 | Aug 12 21:04 |
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| Tallken | The error is apparently 0x000000F4 (0x00000000, 0x8A014260, 0x8A0143D4, 0x80609528) | Aug 12 21:07 |
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| Tallken | got a check here: http://meiobit.pop.com.br/indust... (Brazilian Portuguese) | Aug 12 21:07 |
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| Tallken | €« | Aug 12 21:08 |
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| Tallken | 0x000000F4: CRITICAL_OBJECT_TERMINATION | Aug 12 21:08 |
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| Tallken | One of the many processes or threads crucial to system operation has unexpectedly exited or been terminated. As a result, the system can no longer function. Specific causes are many, and often best resolved by a careful history of the problem and the circumstances of the error message. One user, who experienced this on return from Standby mode on Win XP SP2, found the cause was that Windows was installed on a slave drive. | Aug 12 21:08 |
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| Tallken | €» | Aug 12 21:08 |
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| Tallken | so Microsoft's fault | Aug 12 21:08 |
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| Tallken | not because a 3rd party driver | Aug 12 21:08 |
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| schestowitz | Good investigative work. | Aug 12 21:08 |
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| Tallken | :) | Aug 12 21:09 |
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| twitter | AMD/ATI work is encouraging. | Aug 12 21:09 |
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| Tallken | it was pasted from that Brazilian site, just checked out if the info was correct :) | Aug 12 21:09 |
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| schestowitz | I see the comment now. | Aug 12 21:09 |
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| schestowitz | NVidia is just too arrogant to listen to the customers. That too will pass. I hear from a good source that they have a big announcement coming. | Aug 12 21:10 |
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| schestowitz | It's embargoed though. | Aug 12 21:10 |
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| twitter | You can imagine the pain M$ could inflict on Nvidia if they were to really be friendly to free software. | Aug 12 21:12 |
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| schestowitz | http://bigtech.blogs.fortune... | Aug 12 21:13 |
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| schestowitz | A moment ago I posted about it, saying that Ballmer would blast some Dell kneecaps (it runs Linux on every machine). | Aug 12 21:13 |
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| Tallken | Well, going to document properly that BSOD and afterwards comment on Slashdot | Aug 12 21:14 |
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| Tallken | it's going to be an interesting experience :) | Aug 12 21:14 |
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| schestowitz | Slashdot anger a lot of people today. | Aug 12 21:16 |
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| twitter | ha ha, " One is an optional Linux-based low-power mode called Dell Latitude On, which boots in two seconds. It offers more than a day’s worth of battery life for basic tasks like web surfing, Exchange e-mail, and viewing e-mail attachments, and runs on an ARM-based (ARMH) chip rather than the main Intel processor. (HP and Lenovo laptops offer similar Linux modes, but with fewer capabilities.)" | Aug 12 21:44 |
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| twitter | Sounds great if only they would get rid of the Intel half and give me enough memory to be useful. | Aug 12 21:45 |
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| twitter | Broadcom chips, count me out. | Aug 12 21:45 |
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| schestowitz | Wait for H-P, I guess ( http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag... ), but they are arguably worse. | Aug 12 21:46 |
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| schestowitz | Asus too ( http://apcmag.com/Content.aspx?id=2318 http://www.linuxworld.com.au/ind... ) is now claiming to be "tied up with Microsoft". | Aug 12 21:47 |
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| twitter | As you noticed, none of them have the $200 laptops we should be seeing. | Aug 12 21:47 |
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| schestowitz | No, that's called "vapourware" (c/f Microsoft). | Aug 12 21:49 |
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| twitter | There is plenty of life left in my Thinkpad X30. I bought my daughter an original EEEPC. It is usable, but I'm not about to Debonate it yet. | Aug 12 21:49 |
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| schestowitz | It's kintended to just injure competitor and it's considered a fraud. Intel must be happy now that OLPC, which it mocked in front of representatives, is not in a good shape. It can return to price-fixing. | Aug 12 21:50 |
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| twitter | An arm or AMD based laptop should not cost more than $200. | Aug 12 21:50 |
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| schestowitz | ARM hasn't got them ready yet, but it has smart phones, which sell at much greater numbers. | Aug 12 21:51 |
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| schestowitz | As for AMD, I like them (sympathise rather), but expecting justice there with antitrust in China, Japan, EU and eye the NY legislator is like having a teacher expect a /patent/ to punish his/her child. The legal system does not work. Microsoft too proved that crime pays off. | Aug 12 21:53 |
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| twitter | I've had a Zaurus for six years. Arm was ready then and it should be ready now. | Aug 12 21:53 |
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| schestowitz | *parent *eye ->even | Aug 12 21:53 |
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| twitter | The M$ story is not over yet. | Aug 12 21:54 |
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| Tallken | well going out | Aug 12 21:54 |
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| Tallken | will do the BSoD page later or tomorrow | Aug 12 21:54 |
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| Tallken | cya guys :) | Aug 12 21:54 |
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| twitter | :) | Aug 12 21:54 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* It's not over! | Aug 12 21:54 |
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| schestowitz | Forensics. | Aug 12 21:55 |
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| twitter | The Dell story is interesting, but not nearly as interesting as their preloads. | Aug 12 21:55 |
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| twitter | In fact, this "On" laptop does just what M$ would like to see it do. It sells a Vista license and gives you a second rate Linux toy to despise. Free software is taxed and marginalized at the same time. | Aug 12 21:56 |
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| schestowitz | Taxed? | Aug 12 21:56 |
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| schestowitz | What if we started to refer to Moonlight using a different name? "Moonlight" has a positive connotation (unless it's about the dark Web). Given how poor it is (need to compile it and compatibility wrt Silverfish is nowhere), can one call it "Messlight"? Maybe it'll open people's eyes to what it really is. | Aug 12 22:27 |
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| twitter | loonlight | Aug 12 22:29 |
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| schestowitz | Heh. | Aug 12 22:29 |
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| schestowitz | The term 'ballnux' caught on. It used to return just 0 results and now: "Results 1 - 50 of about 1,290 for ballnux." http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=... | Aug 12 22:30 |
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| twitter | Oh, I see I missed a question. The Dell machine Taxed because it comes with Windows and you pay for that license. Or so I imagine, even if they don't come with Windows. | Aug 12 22:31 |
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| schestowitz | How about LooLight: http://boycottnovell.com/wp-conten... | Aug 12 22:31 |
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| twitter | Too UK, I think. | Aug 12 22:33 |
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| twitter | LuneLight makes fun of earlier name calling, Loonix | Aug 12 22:34 |
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| twitter | Oh my, there is a loonix http://freshmeat.net/projects/loonix/ | Aug 12 22:36 |
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| schestowitz | I'll go with it. | Aug 12 22:36 |
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| schestowitz | The problem is that the BillPress has given a lot of publicity to Moonlight and I doubt it was 'natural', if you know what I mean. There's always some prodding behind the hood. | Aug 12 22:36 |
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| twitter | :) | Aug 12 22:37 |
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| twitter | They gave a lot of attention to Vista too. By the time it had rolled out almost everyone had heard about it but no one was interested. | Aug 12 22:38 |
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| schestowitz | Vista coverage is another fiasco. The BBC came under fire for it. | Aug 12 22:39 |
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| schestowitz | I think they invested $600 million in marketing before launch time. | Aug 12 22:39 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe it was 1 billion. I'd have to check my 2006 refs. | Aug 12 22:40 |
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| twitter | http://it.slashdot.org/article... | Aug 12 22:40 |
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| twitter | They managed to reach 87% of the world and 88% wanted nothing to do with it. | Aug 12 22:40 |
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| schestowitz | They started high because of perception (marketing). The figures get worse over time. | Aug 12 22:41 |
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| schestowitz | People's mind sober up. | Aug 12 22:41 |
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| schestowitz | *minds | Aug 12 22:41 |
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| twitter | In the Vista case, the figures got much worse. They fell from 12% interest to single digit use. | Aug 12 22:42 |
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| schestowitz | In enterprise, several months ago, InfoWeek reported 1%. | Aug 12 22:46 |
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| twitter | :) This is a good time for free software to fill the need for modern software. | Aug 12 22:47 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archiv... "A year after it began shipping, less than one percent of corporate desktops are running Vista. " | Aug 12 22:47 |
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| schestowitz | Watch this graph:http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/vi... (GNU/Linux surpasses Macs?) | Aug 12 22:48 |
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| twitter | No telling. The source is hostile. | Aug 12 22:52 |
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| twitter | The only thing I trust from that article is that business does not want vista | Aug 12 22:55 |
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| twitter | gotta go, see you later. | Aug 12 22:57 |
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| schestowitz | Will do. | Aug 12 23:00 |
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| trmanco | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08/... | Aug 12 23:18 |
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| trmanco | oops | Aug 12 23:18 |
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| trmanco | wrong place | Aug 12 23:18 |
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| trmanco | sorry :| | Aug 12 23:19 |
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| schestowitz | Thaks. | Aug 12 23:19 |
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| schestowitz | This is not the first attack on John Markoff that I see. | Aug 12 23:20 |
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| schestowitz | Who is "Tim Anderson" and why does he suddenly show up on the Reg just to defend Silverlight? | Aug 12 23:21 |
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| schestowitz | See this one from earlier today: http://www.itwire.com/conten... ("No lawyer would ever be paid the same rates for a third-rate article about FOSS as he/she is paid for listening to a client - hence my scepticism.") | Aug 12 23:22 |
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| trmanco | don't know who the Tim Anderson, or John Markoff are... I'm not the king of guy that memorizes the names of who writes articles | Aug 12 23:24 |
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| trmanco | kind* | Aug 12 23:24 |
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| trmanco | thanks for the link | Aug 12 23:25 |
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| schestowitz | That was a useful pointer, thanks. I'm just a little skeptic when a paper 'imports' an article. Why? What's the motive? | Aug 12 23:25 |
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| schestowitz | See this one that I published 2 minutes ago http://boycottnovell.com/2008... and better yet, watch this: http://boycottnovell.com/2008... | Aug 12 23:26 |
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| trmanco | money maybe... | Aug 12 23:29 |
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| trmanco | I'm subscribed to your feed, for one reason, you write good articles, I really like them :) | Aug 12 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks! I didn't realise it would interest others. I began this whole thing because people attacked me and I wanted to get answers, which led to a lot of exploration. The same goes for Microsoft's attacks on FOSS using patents, potentially SCO, maybe Novell (in the future). We'll have answers one day... maybe justice, too. | Aug 12 23:32 |
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| trmanco | hope so | Aug 12 23:33 |
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| trmanco | I think you are gaining a pretty good fan base, I found boycottnovell from one portuguese blogger who is like you on discussing FOSS and OSS, | Aug 12 23:35 |
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| schestowitz | Cool, what's the blogger's name? I might know him/her. | Aug 12 23:37 |
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| trmanco | bruno miguel | Aug 12 23:37 |
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| trmanco | i think | Aug 12 23:37 |
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| trmanco | wow better not use bashee :| | Aug 12 23:37 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, I know him not personally, but he writes lots of popular stuff. | Aug 12 23:37 |
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| trmanco | yes | Aug 12 23:38 |
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