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| tessier | http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs/daily-brief... | Oct 18 01:43 |
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| tessier | This hedge fund manager got really rich off of the latest economic problems. He mentions Linux favorably in his letter. Check it out. | Oct 18 01:43 |
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| schestowitz | Turns out that not NVidia was the cause of issues two days ago. | Oct 18 07:51 |
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| schestowitz | It seems like it was to do with my crontab, which included 'fun' ImageMagick stuff. When I installed IM two days ago it kicked in and interfered until I stopped the cron jobs. | Oct 18 07:52 |
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| PetoKraus | u hav bn haxxd | Oct 18 07:56 |
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| schestowitz | I 'hacked' myself, hogging the CPU to the point where the UI became unresponsive. | Oct 18 07:57 |
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| PetoKraus | yes, that's buggy IM | Oct 18 07:57 |
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| schestowitz | Anyway, I found this out last night when I re-enabled the cron job... tried to restore one thing at a time to identify the issue. | Oct 18 07:57 |
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| schestowitz | No, it's not buggy (IM). | Oct 18 07:57 |
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| PetoKraus | it's. It doesn't check syntax | Oct 18 07:58 |
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| schestowitz | At first I thought it was to do with Recoll, which was indexing my HDD. | Oct 18 07:58 |
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| PetoKraus | if you pass insane arguments to IM, it takes them without warning, and then just craps out | Oct 18 07:58 |
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| schestowitz | It was grabbing shots out of range. | Oct 18 07:59 |
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| schestowitz | The script runs on my PC at work, where the display is 3920 pixels wide. | Oct 18 07:59 |
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| schestowitz | This one is 3200 pivel. | Oct 18 07:59 |
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| schestowitz | *pixels | Oct 18 07:59 |
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| PetoKraus | well, i managed to crash 4-core Xeon with 8GB ram with IM | Oct 18 07:59 |
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| PetoKraus | by resizing 1000+ 1600x1200 images | Oct 18 07:59 |
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| schestowitz | What did it do? | Oct 18 08:00 |
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| PetoKraus | using convert instead of mogrify | Oct 18 08:00 |
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| schestowitz | Oh. | Oct 18 08:00 |
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| schestowitz | What was the server doing this for? | Oct 18 08:00 |
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| PetoKraus | for my gallery | Oct 18 08:00 |
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| PetoKraus | (http://pk.gjhak.sk) | Oct 18 08:00 |
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| schestowitz | Niiiice! | Oct 18 08:01 |
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| PetoKraus | i realised it's too painful, and IM was uninstalled by the sysadmins, since it was second time that program crashed the server | Oct 18 08:01 |
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| PetoKraus | and they implemented memlimits | Oct 18 08:01 |
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| schestowitz | "Cowcaddens Subway. Or, WTF?" | Oct 18 08:01 |
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| schestowitz | World Trade F*? | Oct 18 08:01 |
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| PetoKraus | i didn't understand what the hell are the paintings meant to be | Oct 18 08:02 |
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| PetoKraus | wtf- what the fuck :P | Oct 18 08:02 |
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| schestowitz | I hate memlimits. | Oct 18 08:02 |
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| schestowitz | They imposed it on BN as well. | Oct 18 08:02 |
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| schestowitz | We used to serve huge pages... I mean, HUGE. Now it just gives the finger and serves nothing, so some things 'broke. | Oct 18 08:03 |
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| *schestowitz was joking about WOrld Trade. | Oct 18 08:03 |
| PetoKraus | hh | Oct 18 08:03 |
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| PetoKraus | anyway | Oct 18 08:03 |
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| PetoKraus | need to go to work, see you later/tomorrow | Oct 18 08:03 |
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| schestowitz | Hm.... superkaramba is not Compiz-aware when it comes to multiple desktops. :-( | Oct 18 08:17 |
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| schestowitz | This is good news: Mass Production of Electric Cars to Start Soon in China < http://technocrat.net/d/2008/10/17/52032 > | Oct 18 08:27 |
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| schestowitz | This one is still kicking around: gotta love it... "US judge rejects lawsuit against God" < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/17/god_l... > | Oct 18 08:44 |
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| schestowitz | Das überdatabase: Inside Wacky Jacqui's motherbrain < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/16/i... > | Oct 18 08:45 |
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| schestowitz | Hall of shame for Microsoft's partners at Infosys: http://www.pcworld.com/article/152398/.html?tk=rss_news | Oct 18 09:58 |
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| schestowitz | Husseinisation of society? http://www.pcworld.com/article/152439/.html?tk=rss_news | Oct 18 10:10 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft uses patents to threaten again: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-100... | Oct 18 10:45 |
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| MinceR | hay | Oct 18 16:01 |
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| schestowitz | I can't find an ugly photo of Horacio Gutierrez of Microsoft. Can anyone help? | Oct 18 16:01 |
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| schestowitz | http://thinkexist.com/quotes/horacio_gutierrez/ | Oct 18 16:02 |
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| twitter | Hussein? Who's Sane? I don't know. | Oct 18 16:09 |
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| twitter | That picture of Horry from cnet was not ugly enough? | Oct 18 16:10 |
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| twitter | How about a nice bubble with, "have you paid your $699 license fees?" | Oct 18 16:10 |
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| twitter | "we have a responsibility to customers that have licenses and to our shareholders to ensure our intellectual property is respected" and M$ goes down the porcelain litigation hole. | Oct 18 16:12 |
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| twitter | you could argue they've been there all along but by proxy. | Oct 18 16:12 |
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| twitter | What a freaking mirror troll, "While some are high-profile cases such as the disputes with Alcatel-Lucent, most are with companies that don't actually make goods related to the patents they hold. " M$ has patents on MP3? They make Zune? I thought they just stamped their name and smell on the thing. | Oct 18 16:14 |
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| twitter | Oh, it's that Fried guy. So deep in the soft he can't see the light of day. | Oct 18 16:15 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: that picture from CNET is the only thing one can find. | Oct 18 16:17 |
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| schestowitz | It's like some 'stock' photography. | Oct 18 16:17 |
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| schestowitz | I also need one that's copyrights-free (copyleft), but none in Wiki Media... | Oct 18 16:17 |
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| twitter | good idea. litigious bastard springs to mind | Oct 18 16:19 |
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| twitter | you have to love the guys | Oct 18 16:20 |
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| twitter | big military bling watch | Oct 18 16:20 |
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| schestowitz | Someone out to paparazzi him... ;-) | Oct 18 16:20 |
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| schestowitz | Kind of like Madonna.... taking out the trash... or recorded speaking trash. | Oct 18 16:20 |
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| twitter | If I make a cartoon out of his face and hands, that's fair use right? | Oct 18 16:21 |
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| schestowitz | Modern-day oppressors need to be shown for the greedy (wo)men that they are. | Oct 18 16:21 |
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| schestowitz | I guess, assuming the photo can be distributed,. | Oct 18 16:22 |
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| schestowitz | I don't want to go as far as Daniel Eran Dilger at Roughly Drafted. He edits people's faces. | Oct 18 16:22 |
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| schestowitz | It harms credibility. | Oct 18 16:22 |
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| twitter | The face is great just the way it is. | Oct 18 16:23 |
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| twitter | a perfect slave - servile and offensive at the same time. He's bleary, arrogant and angry. His expression is somewhere between Nazi propaganda berserker and roman ceaser | Oct 18 16:25 |
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| twitter | "Master says you must pay up!" | Oct 18 16:26 |
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| schestowitz | It would have been esier with Marshall Phelps | Oct 18 16:27 |
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| schestowitz | He's like Steve Ballmer $enior | Oct 18 16:27 |
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| schestowitz | I was going to hold off in case you make an image. If not, then I'll just go ahead with an ugly Nathan Myhrvold in the post. He has a natural 'talent'. ;-) | Oct 18 16:30 |
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| twitter | OK, I've cut him from his background. | Oct 18 16:31 |
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| twitter | How about some flames? | Oct 18 16:31 |
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| schestowitz | Sounds suitable | Oct 18 16:32 |
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| schestowitz | If he spits them | Oct 18 16:32 |
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| twitter | I was thinking of them as a background. | Oct 18 16:33 |
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| schestowitz | May seem like you fry im, though. | Oct 18 16:33 |
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| twitter | He could have horns. | Oct 18 16:34 |
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| schestowitz | No | Oct 18 16:34 |
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| schestowitz | It's too close to the whole Swastika-type propaganda | Oct 18 16:34 |
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| twitter | OK, he looks enough like he's from hell already. | Oct 18 16:35 |
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| schestowitz | Or... you could just put a "Microsoft" cap on him. :-) | Oct 18 16:36 |
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| twitter | ha ha | Oct 18 16:36 |
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| schestowitz | It makes a good hallowwen cosume. | Oct 18 16:36 |
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| twitter | Does it look like a dunce cap? | Oct 18 16:36 |
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| schestowitz | I've just changed my Digg avatar: http://digg.com/users/schestowitz/gallery/crop | Oct 18 16:38 |
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| schestowitz | 'Tis time uv' teh season | Oct 18 16:39 |
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| schestowitz | I'm back in 2 hours. | Oct 18 16:42 |
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| twitter | see you | Oct 18 16:43 |
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| _Doug | Hacker Admits To Scientology DDoS Attack .. | Oct 18 17:50 |
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| _Doug | http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/08/10/18/1439204.shtml | Oct 18 17:50 |
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| _Doug | An open source government .. | Oct 18 17:59 |
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| _Doug | http://ask.slashdot.org/askslashdot... | Oct 18 17:59 |
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| _Doug | ping ... | Oct 18 18:10 |
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| twitter | cha ching, http://bayimg.com/kaLhhaaBi | Oct 18 18:24 |
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| _Doug | haaa ... | Oct 18 18:31 |
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| twitter | must be a hit. | Oct 18 18:46 |
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| trmanco | Linux kernel 2.6.27.2 released | Oct 18 18:48 |
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| trmanco | http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/C... | Oct 18 18:50 |
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| schestowitz | Cha-ching indeed. | Oct 18 18:56 |
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| schestowitz | WHy do they compared "open source" to just a kernel? | Oct 18 18:58 |
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| trmanco | 2.6.27.3 is coming soon | Oct 18 19:03 |
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| trmanco | This is the start of the stable review cycle for the 2.6.27.3 release. | Oct 18 19:03 |
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| trmanco | There are 17 patches in this series, all will be posted as a response | Oct 18 19:03 |
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| trmanco | to this one. If anyone has any issues with these being applied, please | Oct 18 19:03 |
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| trmanco | let us know. If anyone is a maintainer of the proper subsystem, and | Oct 18 19:03 |
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| trmanco | wants to add a Signed-off-by: line to the patch, please respond with it. | Oct 18 19:03 |
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| schestowitz | They found the Intel card buster. | Oct 18 19:04 |
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| trmanco | yes | Oct 18 19:04 |
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| trmanco | on 2.6.27.1 | Oct 18 19:04 |
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| trmanco | found it | Oct 18 19:04 |
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| trmanco | http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&... | Oct 18 19:04 |
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| schestowitz | They not only resolved it but 1-2 days ago they finally found the cause. I didn't read the specifics, but I say: let those Intel components burn. | Oct 18 19:05 |
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| schestowitz | Intel may brag about paying for Linux development, but it only does this for PR and HW sales. | Oct 18 19:05 |
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| schestowitz | While at the same time practically attacking humanitarian efforts and bribing sellers. | Oct 18 19:05 |
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| trmanco | found the other one | Oct 18 19:06 |
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| trmanco | http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&a... | Oct 18 19:06 |
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| schestowitz | I wish he had left Novell. | Oct 18 19:09 |
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| trmanco | Greg? | Oct 18 19:10 |
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| trmanco | he is submitting a lot of patches at the moment | Oct 18 19:13 |
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| schestowitz | Yes. | Oct 18 19:13 |
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| schestowitz | But he's also influential. | Oct 18 19:14 |
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| schestowitz | The Novell m | Oct 18 19:14 |
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| schestowitz | The Novell boosters use him as ammunition against claims that are critical towards Novell. | Oct 18 19:14 |
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| trmanco | :| | Oct 18 19:14 |
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| schestowitz | I'm sure Red Hat would love to employ Greg. | Oct 18 19:14 |
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| schestowitz | He should wake up and realise that he's working for a Microsoft ally. | Oct 18 19:14 |
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| twitter | I'm working on a submission about M$'s last threat. What's a good link to how empty the M$ Novell deal is? | Oct 18 19:14 |
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| MinceR | also he's spouting idiocy | Oct 18 19:14 |
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| MinceR | perhaps he is a microsoft ally himself now | Oct 18 19:15 |
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| schestowitz | People think of Novell as a Linux ally. | Oct 18 19:15 |
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| MinceR | perhaps he cares more about money more than everything else | Oct 18 19:15 |
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| schestowitz | In reality, also based on $$ (revenue), Novell is closer to Microsoft than to Linux. | Oct 18 19:15 |
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| schestowitz | He could get money from Red Hat. | Oct 18 19:15 |
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| schestowitz | He should. | Oct 18 19:15 |
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| schestowitz | It's time for him to move on like many of the rest. | Oct 18 19:15 |
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| schestowitz | it has been said that many SUSE developers self as a result of the deal with Microsoft. | Oct 18 19:16 |
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| schestowitz | And Greg /does/ care about Freedom. he should move on. | Oct 18 19:16 |
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| MinceR | self? | Oct 18 19:17 |
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| schestowitz | That too. | Oct 18 19:17 |
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| schestowitz | It's Linus who cares a lot about himself and less about Freedom. Cox is the opposite. | Oct 18 19:18 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/02/06/l... | Oct 18 19:18 |
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| _Doug | it's not about personalities but policies ... | Oct 18 19:19 |
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| schestowitz | Whose policies though. The Marketing Group, AKA "Linux Foundation"? | Oct 18 19:20 |
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| _Doug | Linus is happy to naintain the kernel .. | Oct 18 19:20 |
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| _Doug | maintain (german keyboard :) | Oct 18 19:20 |
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| _Doug | I do believe if certain groups/individuals are acting to promote Open Source, then they deserve our support, if not then let us remain silent ... | Oct 18 19:23 |
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| _Doug | attack the policies, not the individual ... | Oct 18 19:23 |
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| schestowitz | Yes. | Oct 18 19:24 |
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| schestowitz | But the point made here is that Greg K-H can move to an open source company that will be him equally well. | Oct 18 19:24 |
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| _Doug | That's for him to decide ... | Oct 18 19:24 |
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| _Doug | maybe he's getting better money where he is at the moment .. nothing wrong with that :) | Oct 18 19:25 |
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| schestowitz | True, but nobody addressed him personally. | Oct 18 19:25 |
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| schestowitz | I think it's to do with the drivers project. | Oct 18 19:25 |
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| MinceR | there's a lot of wrong with some of the things he does for that money | Oct 18 19:26 |
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| MinceR | for example, attacking canonical with lies on behalf of novell | Oct 18 19:26 |
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| schestowitz | That was hurtful | Oct 18 19:26 |
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| schestowitz | Not useful to anyone. | Oct 18 19:26 |
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| _Doug | I prefer not to address any one individuals percieved failings, as such I shall remain silent ... | Oct 18 19:27 |
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| _Doug | exactly: critic~1 Canonical wasn't wise - yea ? | Oct 18 19:27 |
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| schestowitz | What about criticising those who intimidate Linux users, e.g. with patents? | Oct 18 19:28 |
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| _Doug | lets not get with the negative campaigining .. | Oct 18 19:28 |
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| _Doug | It's what the innovative oppos~1 wants us to do, beat up on one another .. | Oct 18 19:29 |
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| _Doug | eg: Get Novell to beat up on RedHat :] | Oct 18 19:29 |
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| schestowitz | Or SCO | Oct 18 19:30 |
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| _Doug | it's a win-win situation .. for you.know.who~1 | Oct 18 19:30 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, but not doing anything to clarify isn't helpful either. | Oct 18 19:30 |
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| schestowitz | We've been through this debate back in 2006. | Oct 18 19:30 |
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| schestowitz | You can find it in 2006 archives. | Oct 18 19:30 |
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| _Doug | clarify, but don't attack .. take a leafe from Obamas book, don't respond to the negative campaigining | Oct 18 19:32 |
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| _Doug | point out the errors in the other fellas argument, and leave it at that .. | Oct 18 19:33 |
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| twitter | greed and crime deserve condemnation | Oct 18 19:33 |
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| _Doug | I wonder where Greg got his facts~1 in relation to Canonical ? | Oct 18 19:33 |
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| twitter | http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl... | Oct 18 19:33 |
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| MinceR | from his ass | Oct 18 19:34 |
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| twitter | crime that distorts law is especially evil | Oct 18 19:34 |
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| schestowitz | Or a criminal that deforms it to crushing new competition. | Oct 18 19:37 |
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| schestowitz | See what Eben says here: http://boycottnovell.com/videos/... | Oct 18 19:38 |
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| _Doug | MS rattles patent saber again: well yea, extort~1 by any other name, and we have simular utterances from Novell executives regarding compliance and peace of mind .. | Oct 18 19:38 |
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| _Doug | "Windows does not recognize this file type." | Oct 18 19:39 |
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| _Doug | "You may purchase or download software related to this file type from the following Web site: " | Oct 18 19:39 |
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| _Doug | ot: I heard Peter Day say on the BBC last night that it was IBM that hindered the developement of software as a commercial enterprise, before they were made seperate the hardware from the software. | Oct 18 19:42 |
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| _Doug | And it was only visionary Bill Gates and Microsoft that saw the potential .. | Oct 18 19:43 |
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| _Doug | No mention of Apple AT ALL .. | Oct 18 19:43 |
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| _Doug | this from a 'business' corrospondent .. | Oct 18 19:43 |
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| _Doug | like, is history as we lived throught it being erased ??? | Oct 18 19:43 |
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| _Doug | Vint Cerf backs Obama for U.S. president .. | Oct 18 19:47 |
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| _Doug | http://news.cnet.com/8301-10787_3-10067289-60.html | Oct 18 19:47 |
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| schestowitz | _Doug: BBC is a friend of Microsoft. | Oct 18 19:51 |
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| schestowitz | They practically collaborate with them. | Oct 18 19:51 |
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| schestowitz | Inviting them over and having chats letting Gates public columns and rewrite history. I'm glad I gave away my TV; I don't need to pay the BBC anymore. | Oct 18 19:52 |
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| benJIman | Yes they always get such microsoft cronies as http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7487060.stm to write columns for them. | Oct 18 19:54 |
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| _Doug | "To ensure that the BBC is able to embrace the creative challenges of the digital future, we need to forge strategic partnerships with technology companies and distributors for the benefit of licence payers." " | Oct 18 19:54 |
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| _Doug | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/5390000.stm | Oct 18 19:54 |
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| _Doug | benJIman: I thought you was dead :) | Oct 18 19:55 |
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| benJIman | Been busy at work. | Oct 18 19:55 |
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| schestowitz | Programmer? | Oct 18 19:57 |
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| _Doug | no, agile innovator .. :) | Oct 18 19:57 |
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| benJIman | No I'm paid to idle in #boycottnovell by novell remember. | Oct 18 19:57 |
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| _Doug | another saturday night and still can't get a date | Oct 18 19:57 |
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| schestowitz | bn: why u here? | Oct 18 19:57 |
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| trmanco | http://linuxshellaccount.blogspot.com/2008/10/linu... | Oct 18 19:58 |
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| schestowitz | Opensuse fan: cuz it's funny. | Oct 18 19:58 |
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| MinceR | benJIman: is that the only thing they pay you to do? is that enough to earn a living? | Oct 18 19:58 |
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| benJIman | Lol at $29,000 per year. You make more than that working in mcdonalds. | Oct 18 20:00 |
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| _Doug | benJIman: it's best to record the whole conversation and then regex on keywords .. | Oct 18 20:00 |
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| benJIman | part time. | Oct 18 20:00 |
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| _Doug | ot: a notification popped up telling me I had hidden notifications, is the current notification a hidden or unhidden one ? | Oct 18 20:01 |
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| MinceR | if it popped up, chances are it isn't hidden | Oct 18 20:02 |
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| MinceR | ;) | Oct 18 20:02 |
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| _Doug | but it was hidden until it did pop up ? | Oct 18 20:02 |
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| _Doug | so it changed state or is boolean now tristate ? | Oct 18 20:03 |
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| _Doug | eg: 'this is a hidden notification' .. true or false ? | Oct 18 20:03 |
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| ld50 | hi | Oct 18 20:04 |
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| _Doug | wouldn't it make more sense to a) do nothing or b) just pop up the hidden notifications ? | Oct 18 20:05 |
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| schestowitz | hi, ld50 | Oct 18 20:05 |
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| ld50 | dont know if this is new or not but | Oct 18 20:05 |
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| _Doug | ld50: hi there .. 'this is a hidden notification' .. true or false ? | Oct 18 20:05 |
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| ld50 | microsoft's portuguese marketing vice president said mac users pay an "Apple Tax" because they pay more for less choice. | Oct 18 20:05 |
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| ld50 | http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%... | Oct 18 20:05 |
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| Tallken | hi benJIman | Oct 18 20:06 |
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| schestowitz | I'll have some funny quot from ben for the coming post about OpenSUSE | Oct 18 20:06 |
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| ld50 | _Doug, false | Oct 18 20:07 |
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| _Doug | what he means is that by not paying the Microsoft tax, they are stealing from Bill and SteveO ... | Oct 18 20:07 |
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| ld50 | _Doug, s/a hidden/an hidden/ | Oct 18 20:07 |
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| ld50 | :P | Oct 18 20:07 |
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| _Doug | did he actually use the phrase 'Apple Tax' ? | Oct 18 20:07 |
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| ld50 | yes | Oct 18 20:08 |
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| ld50 | more like a fee | Oct 18 20:08 |
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| _Doug | Cause the phrase 'Microsoft tax' is well known .. is this a case of trying to claw back mindshare ? | Oct 18 20:09 |
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| schestowitz | Blue screen of Apple. | Oct 18 20:09 |
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| schestowitz | CTRL+ALT+Apple key. | Oct 18 20:09 |
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| _Doug | Microsoft tax Results 1 - 10 of about 33,800 | Oct 18 20:10 |
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| schestowitz | Keep the reactionary propganda going... | Oct 18 20:10 |
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| _Doug | BSOA .. funny schwstovitz | Oct 18 20:10 |
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| _Doug | :) | Oct 18 20:10 |
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| schestowitz | Apple tax... when someone axes your arm for stealing an Apple. | Oct 18 20:10 |
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| _Doug | like the iPOD stealing from the Music compamies :] | Oct 18 20:11 |
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| schestowitz | Like in Aladdin | Oct 18 20:11 |
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| schestowitz | Racist film BTW. | Oct 18 20:11 |
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| _Doug | like in Aladdin .. racist .. how so ? | Oct 18 20:12 |
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| _Doug | "How big is Apple's tax on iPhone users?", Jack Schofield July 2007 | Oct 18 20:13 |
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| _Doug | If Jack says it, it must be true LMHOAROTF | Oct 18 20:13 |
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| schestowitz | See this film, Doug: http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archiv... documentary) | Oct 18 20:14 |
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| schestowitz | Darn. They took them off YouTube. | Oct 18 20:15 |
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| _Doug | I'm familiar with brainwashing by weird cults, I went to Catholic School .. | Oct 18 20:15 |
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| schestowitz | God bless you. | Oct 18 20:16 |
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| _Doug | Possibly oversells its case, Disney as a methaphor for modern adveertising .. | Oct 18 20:16 |
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| schestowitz | Live a fantasy. Buy today, depress tomorrow. | Oct 18 20:17 |
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| schestowitz | It's also chauvinistic, but that's another story. | Oct 18 20:17 |
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| _Doug | If you want to see real media manipulation see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Power_of_Nightmares | Oct 18 20:17 |
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| schestowitz | Witches.. | Oct 18 20:18 |
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| schestowitz | People in cape... | Oct 18 20:18 |
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| schestowitz | Monsters.... why are kids shown that cr*p anyway? | Oct 18 20:18 |
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| _Doug | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Qk1WkmioQvA | Oct 18 20:18 |
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| _Doug | lets get back on topic .. | Oct 18 20:19 |
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| _Doug | benJIman .. wassup ? | Oct 18 20:20 |
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| schestowitz | The Disney Monopoly is still up there somewhere BTW: http://uk.youtube.com/results?search_query=disney+m... (in case anyone is interested) | Oct 18 20:22 |
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| twitter | dreams and media. We are all victims of broadcast http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/10/18/207220 | Oct 18 20:25 |
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| _Doug | well, yea .. Disney as a codeword for mass/manipulation/marketing in the interests of generating revenue .. | Oct 18 20:25 |
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| _Doug | Propaganda 101, Schestowitz .. :( | Oct 18 20:26 |
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| twitter | advertisements everywhere but never in our dreams, right? | Oct 18 20:26 |
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| twitter | ugh, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?view=D... | Oct 18 20:29 |
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| _Doug | I dream in 3-D color, of being chased down long tunnels by space aliens .. too much HalfLife .. | Oct 18 20:30 |
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| _Doug | :) | Oct 18 20:30 |
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| twitter | Sometime, 10 or 15 years after you quit watching TV your dreams start to look like real life. | Oct 18 20:30 |
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| _Doug | I used paint, my dreams seen to invilve more color afterwards | Oct 18 20:32 |
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| schestowitz | _Doug: thank goodness for the Internet | Oct 18 20:32 |
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| schestowitz | Conducers... consumer-producers combined. | Oct 18 20:33 |
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| schestowitz | Or prosumers. | Oct 18 20:33 |
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| twitter | the liberation of cognitive surplus has just begun | Oct 18 20:33 |
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| _Doug | Do the media owners yet realize thet no-one under the age of 18 is watching 'television' ? | Oct 18 20:33 |
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| twitter | yes, that's why they attack the internet | Oct 18 20:33 |
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| schestowitz | Peers are more trustworthy than one-way communication from top to bottom (with payments only from bottom to top... of pyramid) | Oct 18 20:33 |
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| _Doug | The Internet as we know it is a passing phase, | Oct 18 20:33 |
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| twitter | yes, it will become more free | Oct 18 20:34 |
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| twitter | see Open Sectrum | Oct 18 20:34 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: I had game addictions messing with my dreams at one stage. | Oct 18 20:34 |
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| _Doug | Web 111, highly restrictive nedia fead to us by a few through the InterTUBES .. | Oct 18 20:34 |
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| schestowitz | TV ain't too helpful either, I think, in particular horror films and such. | Oct 18 20:34 |
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| schestowitz | _Doug: they have the lower hand. | Oct 18 20:35 |
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| schestowitz | They can try and try, but watch their sales sinking. | Oct 18 20:35 |
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| _Doug | freedon of expression is alright in theory but not in practice .. | Oct 18 20:35 |
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| schestowitz | It's important that we defend sites like YouTube. PJ does this all the time. | Oct 18 20:35 |
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| twitter | it is the power of passive entertainment, centralized it is terrible. | Oct 18 20:35 |
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| twitter | We should all have our own YouTube | Oct 18 20:35 |
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| schestowitz | A couple of hours ago I watched X Factor... at the gym. | Oct 18 20:36 |
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| _Doug | No, it'll go like US television, 24 hour a day of highly structured pap .. | Oct 18 20:36 |
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| schestowitz | Still the same stupid "you'll be a celebrity" fantasyTV. | Oct 18 20:36 |
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| _Doug | I feel sorry for those kids .. 'I want to be famous' .. | Oct 18 20:36 |
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| twitter | There are no more super stars | Oct 18 20:36 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: it's possible. BN could deploy 'YouTube' of its own. The tools are free. | Oct 18 20:37 |
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| _Doug | famious for what exactly, can you sing, play a musical instrument, act, what ? | Oct 18 20:37 |
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| schestowitz | _Doug: let me find a video that comes to mind. | Oct 18 20:37 |
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| twitter | we should have networks like Japan. Open Spectrum will provide more | Oct 18 20:37 |
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| _Doug | I've seen some outtakes from the Anerican version, rib-crackingly awfull .. | Oct 18 20:37 |
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| schestowitz | "Famous" obsession: http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/TcEZrEPDV9k/default.jpg | Oct 18 20:38 |
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| twitter | freedom to participate on an equal footing is critical for democracy | Oct 18 20:38 |
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| twitter | if we get that, we may one day have democracy again. | Oct 18 20:38 |
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| schestowitz | What is democracy? | Oct 18 20:38 |
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| schestowitz | I hear things about it. | Oct 18 20:38 |
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| twitter | government by consent of the people | Oct 18 20:38 |
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| _Doug | democracy: we get to vote in the same people, year after year .. | Oct 18 20:39 |
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| schestowitz | It's like reduction of emissions. Many people love it, but nobody deploys it. | Oct 18 20:39 |
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| twitter | an informed public will demand it | Oct 18 20:39 |
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| schestowitz | Naaa.. | Oct 18 20:39 |
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| schestowitz | They'll just get corpo-funded McCain and Obama dose.. | Oct 18 20:39 |
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| twitter | big publishers are already screaming about their loss of power. | Oct 18 20:40 |
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| _Doug | exactly, watch FAUX $news and get 'informend' ??? haaaa sacarism ... | Oct 18 20:40 |
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| schestowitz | Then some Novell and Microsoft press releases. | Oct 18 20:40 |
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| schestowitz | "Intellectual property peace of mind..." | Oct 18 20:40 |
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| schestowitz | "IDC (in Microsoft-funded ;study' says .NET is growing," writes Novell. | Oct 18 20:40 |
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| twitter | These lies are already failing. | Oct 18 20:40 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft pays Novell. | Oct 18 20:40 |
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| _Doug | PON: Power of Nightmares: we will protect your intellectual property from the end users ... | Oct 18 20:41 |
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| schestowitz | Novell publishes Microsoft-funded study | Oct 18 20:41 |
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| twitter | Bigger lies will also fall. | Oct 18 20:41 |
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| schestowitz | "Rub me[sic] back, rub me back, SweatyB" | Oct 18 20:41 |
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| schestowitz | No gimme my dough. | Oct 18 20:41 |
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| twitter | Universal connectivity makes it harder to demonize whole populations. This has already made if more difficult to wage war. | Oct 18 20:42 |
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| _Doug | twitter: they are doing a good job in the US .. | Oct 18 20:43 |
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| schestowitz | Who? | Oct 18 20:43 |
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| schestowitz | The citizens? | Oct 18 20:43 |
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| twitter | You think? Look at GWB popularity ratings. | Oct 18 20:43 |
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| schestowitz | I can imagine that 10-15 years ago SCO and Novell would have gotten away with collusion and engagement in abuse without getting flak. | Oct 18 20:44 |
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| _Doug | The neocons are doing a good job of manipulating the population .. | Oct 18 20:44 |
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| twitter | true | Oct 18 20:44 |
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| twitter | no, the neocons are failing | Oct 18 20:44 |
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| twitter | they have a core of older, disconnected people that's rapidly evaporating. | Oct 18 20:44 |
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| _Doug | some of that BS even shows up on the Beebe .. | Oct 18 20:44 |
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| twitter | senile resonance. | Oct 18 20:45 |
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| _Doug | "senile resonance" I love that phrase .. what does it mean ? | Oct 18 20:45 |
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| schestowitz | Yeah, good sound bite. | Oct 18 20:45 |
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| twitter | old people, preconditioned with the same lies, reach the same conclusions. | Oct 18 20:46 |
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| twitter | this is the central sin of broadcast | Oct 18 20:46 |
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| twitter | manufactured consent | Oct 18 20:46 |
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| twitter | they can pick the message out of white noise, it's scary to watch | Oct 18 20:47 |
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| twitter | the end of broadcast makes it hard to control opinion, people can get their opinions from facts rather than sound bites. | Oct 18 20:48 |
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| twitter | information is so much easier to get | Oct 18 20:49 |
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| _Doug | The solution being to monitor what *everyone* is doing online .. | Oct 18 20:49 |
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| _Doug | PHORM, RIP etc .. | Oct 18 20:49 |
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| twitter | there is only so far they can take that | Oct 18 20:49 |
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| twitter | they can identify, harass and neutralize but the world is too large to control | Oct 18 20:50 |
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| _Doug | weell you may be right .. but a scared population is a compliant one .. | Oct 18 20:50 |
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| _Doug | example: | Oct 18 20:50 |
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| twitter | a scared population can start to do it's own researching | Oct 18 20:51 |
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| _Doug | I showed a college a webpage here .. and he litterally ran out of the place .. he was so scared .. of what ? | Oct 18 20:51 |
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| twitter | :) frighten me | Oct 18 20:51 |
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| _Doug | well . I dson't want another visit from the 'anti-terrorist' police do I .. | Oct 18 20:52 |
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| _Doug | point is: he was scared .. | Oct 18 20:53 |
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| twitter | why? then I'll understand your point | Oct 18 20:54 |
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| schestowitz | benJIman: fame for you: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/18/opensu... | Oct 18 20:54 |
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| _Doug | I don't know either, perhaps he was scared reading about 20 year felony charges for hacking in the media .. | Oct 18 20:55 |
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| _Doug | But we were only reading alt2600.com ... | Oct 18 20:55 |
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| twitter | ha ha ha | Oct 18 20:55 |
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| _Doug | no law against reading a web page, is there ? | Oct 18 20:56 |
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| twitter | that's better than being famous, it's infamous. | Oct 18 20:56 |
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| twitter | there are laws against literature in the UK, shame. | Oct 18 20:56 |
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| twitter | There are laws against images in the US | Oct 18 20:57 |
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| twitter | more shame | Oct 18 20:57 |
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| schestowitz | Well, at least he has no party hat on like the guy beneath that post. ;-) | Oct 18 20:57 |
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| schestowitz | What images? | Oct 18 20:57 |
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| schestowitz | Torturing of Iraqi prisoners? | Oct 18 20:58 |
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| twitter | Some of those might qualify as extreme porn. Possession of kiddie porn and bestiality is against the law. | Oct 18 20:59 |
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| twitter | I like parties, where's the guy in the party hat? | Oct 18 20:59 |
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| schestowitz | Elderly woman prohibited from photographing empty swimming pool "to prevent paedophilia" : http://www.boingboing.net/2008/07/25/eld... | Oct 18 21:00 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: here < http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/18/mi... >, having lunch with Ina Shillfried of Microsoft. | Oct 18 21:01 |
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| twitter | I was stopped while taking pictures in Boston. The guard told me it was for "copyright". | Oct 18 21:01 |
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| schestowitz | /Whose/ copyright? | Oct 18 21:01 |
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| schestowitz | The native Indians? | Oct 18 21:01 |
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| benJIman | /o\ | Oct 18 21:01 |
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| twitter | Like your picture | Oct 18 21:02 |
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| twitter | the building owner's "copyright" ha! | Oct 18 21:02 |
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| schestowitz | Can't shot trees these days. | Oct 18 21:02 |
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| schestowitz | Could find the article.. | Oct 18 21:03 |
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| schestowitz | Actually, I should post some good Moglen videos. Hold on. | Oct 18 21:03 |
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| twitter | Doctorow wrote a boingboing piece about being run out of a mall for taking pictures. | Oct 18 21:03 |
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| schestowitz | He has just explained this in Iceland. | Oct 18 21:03 |
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| schestowitz | The land of owning everything... | Oct 18 21:03 |
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| twitter | It's all about control | Oct 18 21:03 |
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| schestowitz | Was Cory planning a terrorist attack? | Oct 18 21:04 |
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| schestowitz | Schneier wrote about the ban on liquids in some trains now. | Oct 18 21:05 |
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| schestowitz | He also once wrote about terrorist never using photographs anyway... maps maybe... but I don't know. | Oct 18 21:05 |
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| schestowitz | I think that shooting police abuse is now some kind of an offence. I can't recall the details , but I read about it the other day. | Oct 18 21:06 |
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| _Doug | I took pics of the security cameras around our block, the next day there was a police cordon all round and everyone was stopped .. | Oct 18 21:06 |
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| twitter | A friend of Doctorow wanted to take a picture of new construction to share with his friends ... who might have gone to the mall. | Oct 18 21:06 |
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| _Doug | a violation of something or other ? | Oct 18 21:06 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Oct 18 21:06 |
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| schestowitz | Violation of police state regulation. | Oct 18 21:06 |
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| _Doug | wouldn't mind but the crack dealer hod no bother getting through to do his deliveries :) | Oct 18 21:07 |
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| twitter | With knowledge comes regime change. | Oct 18 21:07 |
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| _Doug | they yellow taped the place and blocked all the entrances .. | Oct 18 21:08 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: for you: | Oct 18 21:09 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/18/mo... | Oct 18 21:09 |
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| twitter | thanks | Oct 18 21:09 |
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| twitter | back later | Oct 18 21:10 |
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| _Doug | I wonder if hoseing down the homeless at 2.00am is a violation of their human rights ? | Oct 18 21:10 |
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| _Doug | I'd take some pics only don't want to do 90 days for acts lickly to aid 'terrorists' .. | Oct 18 21:11 |
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| schestowitz | Heh. | Oct 18 21:12 |
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| _Doug | When did it go wrong, why did no-one notice .. | Oct 18 21:12 |
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| schestowitz | I know this happened where I go sometimes. Hose routines. | Oct 18 21:12 |
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| _Doug | frogs + water + slowly bring to boil .. etc ... | Oct 18 21:12 |
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| schestowitz | In winter, I think. | Oct 18 21:12 |
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| _Doug | exsplain spock ? | Oct 18 21:12 |
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| schestowitz | Police Motto: Better wet than tazered | Oct 18 21:13 |
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| schestowitz | The combination of the two is lethal. | Oct 18 21:13 |
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| MinceR | don't taze me bro! | Oct 18 21:13 |
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| schestowitz | Another on: Better water than waterboarding. | Oct 18 21:13 |
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| MinceR | :) | Oct 18 21:13 |
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| schestowitz | Better the streets than Guatanamo Bay | Oct 18 21:14 |
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| *ld50 has quit ("Lost terminal") | Oct 18 21:14 |
| _Doug | Hedge Funds manager recommends hemp .. | Oct 18 21:18 |
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| _Doug | http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=2... | Oct 18 21:18 |
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| _Doug | gtg: going home to sleep, dream and clear out some space aliens off the Northern Line ... ;) | Oct 18 21:19 |
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| trmanco | http://www.kumailht.com/blog/linux/1... | Oct 18 21:30 |
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| trmanco | I like the recycle bin part | Oct 18 21:30 |
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| schestowitz | Metaphors... let's see... :-) | Oct 18 21:33 |
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| schestowitz | Weather.. waste of real estate. | Oct 18 21:34 |
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| schestowitz | I had weatherfox on Fireofx for ages... never once paid attention to it. | Oct 18 21:34 |
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| trmanco | gnome already has a weather applet | Oct 18 21:36 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: yes. | Oct 18 21:37 |
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| schestowitz | It's presented nicely, but a lot of this is already out there. | Oct 18 21:37 |
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| schestowitz | KDE shuffles wallpapers for me every 2 minutes. | Oct 18 21:37 |
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| trmanco | that's nice | Oct 18 21:38 |
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| schestowitz | I used to have it set up such that each desktop had a different wallpaper... and I got some wuad-head wallpapers too. | Oct 18 21:38 |
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| schestowitz | KDE needs something for selecting directories of wallpapers, not just files... also recursively. | Oct 18 21:39 |
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| schestowitz | I submitted a KDE bug last week: | Oct 18 21:39 |
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| schestowitz | KNode crashes when exporting twice | Oct 18 21:39 |
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| schestowitz | Hi, | Oct 18 21:39 |
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| schestowitz | This bug has been there since KDE 3.1 at the earlier (in SuSE, Ubuntu, now Mandriva). Reproduce as follows: | Oct 18 21:39 |
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| schestowitz | 1* Go to the sent folder, which in my case contains several hundreds of posts. | Oct 18 21:39 |
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| schestowitz | 2* Go to "Folder" -> "Export as MBox folder" and let it do its thing. | Oct 18 21:39 |
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| schestowitz | 3* Now try step (2*) again, with different folder contents in my case, though it might not make a difference. | Oct 18 21:39 |
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| schestowitz | This process has crashed KNode for years for me, no matter the distribution. | Oct 18 21:39 |
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| schestowitz | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=172266 | Oct 18 21:39 |
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| schestowitz | This is a special case, which is probably rare but easy to repreoduce. | Oct 18 21:39 |
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| MinceR | it shuffles every 60 minutes for me | Oct 18 21:40 |
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| trmanco | no reply yet | Oct 18 21:41 |
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| schestowitz | No. not status change either. | Oct 18 21:41 |
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| schestowitz | *not->no | Oct 18 21:41 |
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| trmanco | well, got to go | Oct 18 21:42 |
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| trmanco | cya | Oct 18 21:42 |
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| schestowitz | it seems possible that Ian Bruce (the PR guy) is brushing up their postings because they appear to be coming from user ibruce | Oct 18 22:07 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.novell.com/ctoblog/?p=86 | Oct 18 22:07 |
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| schestowitz | Among other Novell blogs. | Oct 18 22:07 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe it's just a little PR placeholder for the PR people and some material from execs. | Oct 18 22:07 |
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| schestowitz | Or maybe it's just that the PR people set up the blogs and the usernames remained. | Oct 18 22:07 |
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| schestowitz | It's unlikely because Ian Bruce replaced Bruce Lowry not so long ago. | Oct 18 22:08 |
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| schestowitz | I'll do a quick post about it. | Oct 18 22:08 |
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| macabe | Eben Moglen videos are very good. Glad you've posted the OGG files | Oct 18 22:21 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks. Glad you liked them. | Oct 18 22:26 |
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| macabe | Also forwarded them to dad in Brasil. I know he'll like them. | Oct 18 22:27 |
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| schestowitz | Cool! I've just found some markup error there (double quotes). Corrected now that you brought it up. | Oct 18 22:31 |
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| macabe | Do not understand (double quotes) | Oct 18 22:34 |
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| schestowitz | I had potentially bad links to the Ogg files. It's fixed now. I didn't test the page for XHML validity, which typically highlights my syntactic typos. | Oct 18 22:37 |
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| lucian | hey ro | Oct 18 22:37 |
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| lucian | hey roy | Oct 18 22:37 |
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| lucian | is dirac free? | Oct 18 22:38 |
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| lucian | bbc "owns | Oct 18 22:38 |
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| schestowitz | I think it's free. | Oct 18 22:38 |
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| schestowitz | Isnt there a SF.net Web page for it too? | Oct 18 22:38 |
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| lucian | yes | Oct 18 22:38 |
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| schestowitz | But the BBC is not controlled by Microsofters. | Oct 18 22:38 |
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| lucian | but I do not know if bbc have some patents | Oct 18 22:38 |
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| lucian | I know | Oct 18 22:38 |
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| schestowitz | The media person is a media person from Microsoft. | Oct 18 22:38 |
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| schestowitz | Bad guy.. Erik Huggers. | Oct 18 22:39 |
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| schestowitz | http://diracvideo.org/ | Oct 18 22:39 |
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| schestowitz | http://sourceforge.net/projects/dirac | Oct 18 22:39 |
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| lucian | Can I recommend dirac? | Oct 18 22:39 |
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| lucian | of course , I recommend theora first, | Oct 18 22:40 |
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| lucian | because theora is a good ethical decision | Oct 18 22:40 |
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| schestowitz | It's supported widely. FF 3.1 will have it built in. | Oct 18 22:41 |
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| schestowitz | That's hundreds of millions of machines with Ogg support. Well, maybe a couple of hundreds. Opera and Google should follow suit. | Oct 18 22:41 |
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| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2008/0... | Oct 18 22:41 |
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| lucian | hey about Justin James | Oct 18 22:44 |
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| lucian | James uses the cursed .net because the money | Oct 18 22:45 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Oct 18 22:45 |
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| lucian | money over ethics is wrong | Oct 18 22:45 |
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| lucian | it's causes social corrosion | Oct 18 22:45 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft pays the bill, eh? Daniel from Gentoo knows... but he quit. | Oct 18 22:45 |
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| lucian | and after ,justin will suffer because the social corrosion can destroy the justin family | Oct 18 22:46 |
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| schestowitz | How so? | Oct 18 22:46 |
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| schestowitz | Not targeted, right? | Oct 18 22:46 |
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| lucian | what? | Oct 18 22:46 |
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| schestowitz | Well, a lot of the workd's problem are caused by greed. | Oct 18 22:47 |
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| lucian | yes, but put the money over society is more problemativ | Oct 18 22:47 |
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| schestowitz | Under the code word "making a living", "being successful" or "it's just capitalism." | Oct 18 22:47 |
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| schestowitz | It boils down to education | Oct 18 22:48 |
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| lucian | proprietary software is the most stupid model what i have seen | Oct 18 22:48 |
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| lucian | all people on the world gains for quantity of work done | Oct 18 22:48 |
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| schestowitz | It takes times to wash oneself off the brainwash that's targeted at children in schools. | Oct 18 22:48 |
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| lucian | proprietary software not | Oct 18 22:48 |
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| schestowitz | Well, that's separate. | Oct 18 22:49 |
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| schestowitz | Proprietary is like telemarketing. | Oct 18 22:49 |
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| schestowitz | Let the other suffer so that you can make a buck. | Oct 18 22:49 |
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| lucian | software does 1 time ,but the m$ does not understand this | Oct 18 22:49 |
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| schestowitz | Take away the confort from others for some gain. | Oct 18 22:49 |
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| lucian | yes, money over ethics | Oct 18 22:49 |
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| schestowitz | This can be seen in lock-in (financial squeeze or ransom/hostage situation) | Oct 18 22:50 |
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| schestowitz | Forget about ethics. In the case of healthcare s/w, this is dangerous. It's a life or death situation. | Oct 18 22:50 |
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| schestowitz | Equally unethical are patents that kill, notably drug and surgery patents. | Oct 18 22:51 |
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| lucian | ethics is life too | Oct 18 22:51 |
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| lucian | do you have some news? | Oct 18 22:52 |
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| MinceR | gn | Oct 18 23:31 |
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| schestowitz | I wish. Too much to catch up with.. still. | Oct 18 23:32 |
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