| schestowitz | They try to portray their opposition as mentally ill. | Nov 16 11:21 |
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| trmanco | :| | Nov 16 11:21 |
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| schestowitz | I see the same BS coming from their Munchkins, also in USENET. | Nov 16 11:21 |
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| schestowitz | Phrases like "Linux loons" and "paranoia".. very typical... you know you're on the right topic when they do this. They have no better (effective like a truth) methods to combat the arguments, so they question a person's mental state | Nov 16 11:22 |
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| schestowitz | This is done also in politics. Just watch how Gore and people like Lessig get smothered. | Nov 16 11:22 |
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| trmanco | ... | Nov 16 11:22 |
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| trmanco | a little childish for a "big" company like MS | Nov 16 11:23 |
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| schestowitz | Who posted these screenshots anyway? Someone who was at PDC or someone who grabbed it via btttorrent? | Nov 16 11:23 |
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| trmanco | he grabbed it from bit torrent | Nov 16 11:24 |
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| schestowitz | [can never be too childish.. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=2lLRBiEBRAc ] | Nov 16 11:24 |
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| trmanco | the guy who posted the images is not a windows geek | Nov 16 11:24 |
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| trmanco | or fanboy | Nov 16 11:24 |
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| schestowitz | Ah, okay. | Nov 16 11:25 |
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| trmanco | that is why his review tell the truth | Nov 16 11:25 |
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| trmanco | tells | Nov 16 11:25 |
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| schestowitz | I'm stunned at how similar it is to Vista (or XP). They make no progress, which confirm their grip about the code not being maintainable. | Nov 16 11:25 |
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| schestowitz | They still chase better UI experiences like Mac OS X and KDE | Nov 16 11:25 |
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| trmanco | *still* | Nov 16 11:25 |
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| trmanco | :-P | Nov 16 11:26 |
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| schestowitz | I gave the wrong URL. | Nov 16 11:26 |
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| schestowitz | Wrong monkey dance (I did the "I'm feeling lucky" in Googlebar). THis one is the correct URL: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=B1GPG2RUtGk | Nov 16 11:26 |
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| trmanco | "Some conclusions: | Nov 16 11:27 |
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| trmanco | Uma palavra: Vista. One word: Vista. Com algumas (poucas) novidades, mas Vista. With some (few) news, but Vista. Achei mais lento que o Vista nas mesmas condições, ao contrário do que se diz. I thought slower than the Vista under the same conditions, contrary to what they say." | Nov 16 11:27 |
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| trmanco | here some words from the guy who made the review | Nov 16 11:27 |
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| schestowitz | Wrong URL again. This one is OK: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wvsboPUjrGc (the thumbnails are wrong) | Nov 16 11:27 |
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| trmanco | LOL | Nov 16 11:28 |
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| trmanco | the song was nice | Nov 16 11:28 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, it should be slower. | Nov 16 11:28 |
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| schestowitz | They still ponder (or decided) making a cut-down version of Vista 7... for low-end machines. | Nov 16 11:29 |
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| trmanco | wtf | Nov 16 11:29 |
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| schestowitz | I'd love to see one of these people who got the build from torrent putting it as-is on a netbook. | Nov 16 11:29 |
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| schestowitz | That will suddenly reveal a huge inconsistency wrt Microsoft's claims. | Nov 16 11:29 |
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| trmanco | yes it would | Nov 16 11:31 |
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| schestowitz | Can't sue Microsoft though. ;-) | Nov 16 11:31 |
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| schestowitz | Not in the US anyway. | Nov 16 11:31 |
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| schestowitz | The ASA would maybe nail them for deceptive marketing. | Nov 16 11:31 |
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| trmanco | the EU needs to sue S more | Nov 16 11:32 |
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| trmanco | MS* | Nov 16 11:32 |
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| schestowitz | Bear in mind that Microsoft was sued for vapourware, among other things. | Nov 16 11:32 |
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| trmanco | sued where? Europe? | Nov 16 11:32 |
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| schestowitz | From http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/10/i... : | Nov 16 11:32 |
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| schestowitz | "Microsoft is well-versed in the use of vaporware tactics | Nov 16 11:33 |
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| schestowitz | to dampen interest in the products of its competitors. | Nov 16 11:33 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft’s use of vaporware traces back to the very origins | Nov 16 11:33 |
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| schestowitz | of the company, when Bill Gates informed MITS the | Nov 16 11:33 |
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| schestowitz | manufacturer of the world’s first PC that he had a version | Nov 16 11:33 |
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| schestowitz | of BASIC ready to run on the first personal computer, when | Nov 16 11:33 |
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| schestowitz | he had yet to write a single line of code. " | Nov 16 11:33 |
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| schestowitz | "See Consolidated | Nov 16 11:33 |
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| schestowitz | Statement of Facts, ۦ 5. Gates received a mock honor of | Nov 16 11:33 |
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| schestowitz | the “Golden Vaporware Award” for his preannouncement of the | Nov 16 11:33 |
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| schestowitz | first version of Windows to preempt entry by VisiOn, a GUI | Nov 16 11:33 |
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| schestowitz | announced in 1983 when by 1985 it still had not shipped. See | Nov 16 11:33 |
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| schestowitz | R. Prentice, supra n.3, at 1181 (attached). When Microsoft | Nov 16 11:33 |
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| schestowitz | entered into the Consent Decree with the DOJ in 1994, Judge | Nov 16 11:33 |
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| schestowitz | Sporkin refused to enter it based on the DOJ’s refusal to | Nov 16 11:33 |
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| schestowitz | address Microsoft’s rampant vaporware practices. See United | Nov 16 11:33 |
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| schestowitz | States v. Microsoft, 159 F.R.D. 318, 334-36 (D.D.C. 1995), | Nov 16 11:33 |
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| schestowitz | rev’d, 56 F.3d 1448 (D.C. Cir. 1995) (finding district court | Nov 16 11:33 |
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| schestowitz | to have exceeded permissible scope of review)." | Nov 16 11:33 |
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| trmanco | ... | Nov 16 11:39 |
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| schestowitz | "Fast spreading wildfires in southern California are now threatening to seriously disrupt the electricity supply to Los Angeles." < http://technocrat.net/d/2008/11/15/54208 > | Nov 16 11:39 |
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| schestowitz | Politicians Still Trying To Outlaw Being A Jerk < http://techdirt.com/articles/20081113... > | Nov 16 11:46 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe. I just showed my 12-year-old sister the monkey dance of Steve Ballmer. | Nov 16 12:07 |
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| schestowitz | She asked who that crazy guy was. | Nov 16 12:07 |
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| MinceR | j0 | Nov 16 12:20 |
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| macabe | Same here, show it to my mom she was rolling. | Nov 16 12:21 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | interesting story | Nov 16 12:31 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | US Elections, Global Economy Are Major Challenges For US IP Association <http://www.ip-watch.org/weblog/ind...> | Nov 16 12:31 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | I don’t think we’ve even begun to tap into the power of Peer to Patent in terms of creating immediate value for applicants. The most important next step is for practitioners to start drafting patent applications with Peer to Patent review in mind. | Nov 16 12:32 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | We’ve submitted our own “experimental” applications that should show up on Peer to Patent by the new year. A follow up seminar on the results will be presented in San Francisco US in February at the WRG patent strategy meeting. | Nov 16 12:32 |
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| schestowitz | IP. Tee hee. | Nov 16 12:32 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | it's a step in the right direction | Nov 16 12:33 |
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| schestowitz | It's funny how they equate knowledge to property | Nov 16 12:33 |
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| schestowitz | Which is why IP or IPR is considered propganda/ | Nov 16 12:33 |
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| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2006... | Nov 16 12:33 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | just got their feed in my rss reader | Nov 16 12:34 |
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| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/arch... | Nov 16 12:34 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | what is interesting is the idea of 'Peer to Patent' | Nov 16 12:35 |
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| schestowitz | Assuming people participate. | Nov 16 12:36 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | might look it up a bit more tomorrow morning. | Nov 16 12:37 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | http://www.peertopatent.org | Nov 16 12:37 |
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| schestowitz | It's a huge challenge to pool all of human knowledge (6+ billion people) and deem what's considered "novel" | Nov 16 12:37 |
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| schestowitz | Or... the easier option is to trash this idea of owning every tiny accumulation of knowledge, which happens in many places at the same time anyway. | Nov 16 12:38 |
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| schestowitz | There are many examples in history when people invested the same thing without knowing about others doing the same thing independently. | Nov 16 12:38 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | true | Nov 16 12:40 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | just looking at this patent "Methods and systems for tracking and auditing intellectual property in packages of open source software" | Nov 16 12:41 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmm... James Plamondon < http://www.thumtronics.com/Ron.pdf >. Same guy? Also from Aussie... | Nov 16 12:42 |
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| schestowitz | http://center.spoke.com/info/p... | Nov 16 12:43 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | the funny thing is you end up braking this patent to help prevent yourself from braking other patents | Nov 16 12:43 |
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| schestowitz | Winer entertains these jerks... http://archive.scripting.com/2007/01/12 | Nov 16 12:44 |
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| schestowitz | Another Microsoft 'evangelist': "Michael Gartenberg and Steven Levy together, pull the truth out of Steve Jobs on why the iPhone doesn't run software written by developers. But it's not the truth that Jobs would have you believe." | Nov 16 12:44 |
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| schestowitz | I guess I should not be surprised since Winer also 'adopted' Scoble, a Microsoft 'evangelist'. Winer also attends the conferences of the abusive monopolist. | Nov 16 12:44 |
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| schestowitz | Yuck. MS 'orgy': http://weblogs.jupiterresearch.com/analysts/... | Nov 16 12:46 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, is *is* him in the music industry | Nov 16 12:47 |
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| schestowitz | http://scripting.wordpress.com/2007/01/09/... | Nov 16 12:47 |
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| schestowitz | James Plamondon | Nov 16 12:47 |
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| schestowitz | CEO, Thumtronics | Nov 16 12:47 |
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| schestowitz | The New Shape of Music(tm) | Nov 16 12:47 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.thummer.com | Nov 16 12:47 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | anyway I'm off for the night, c ya | Nov 16 12:48 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?... "...if there are actually companies that hastily undertook a migration to GNU/Linux and got themselves into trouble? For years, I've been reading cautionary tales, but you know, I've never read about actual disasters. ... So, what are the names of these unfortunate companies that inspire such tales of caution and disaster? Do they exist outside the imaginat | Nov 16 13:01 |
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| schestowitz | ion of FUD merchants?" | Nov 16 13:01 |
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| schestowitz | Well, lookie here... the Microsofters just 'find' some anti-Google Apps study... http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/micro... who paid for the study? Was there a handshake somewhere? What was the motive? | Nov 16 13:59 |
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| schestowitz | OMG: it's a MIcrosoft COMPANY... almost.. http://www.clickstreamtech.com/about.html | Nov 16 14:00 |
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| schestowitz | New York Times 'special edition' spoof perplexes readers < http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/200... > | Nov 16 14:08 |
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| seller_liar | very cool! | Nov 16 14:55 |
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| seller_liar | http://www.fsdaily.com/Community/Boycott_Novell_P... | Nov 16 14:55 |
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| seller_liar | I was thinking .... | Nov 16 14:56 |
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| seller_liar | It's very good if someone create a net implementation in java | Nov 16 14:56 |
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| seller_liar | like Jruby | Nov 16 14:57 |
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| schestowitz | Hey | Nov 16 14:57 |
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| schestowitz | I'm doing a post about it at the moment. There are more posts out there. | Nov 16 14:57 |
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| seller_liar | I was thinking in start a net implementtion in 9 months maybe.... | Nov 16 15:06 |
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| seller_liar | but I need good papers for starting | Nov 16 15:06 |
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| seller_liar | There are a ocaml implementation in java | Nov 16 15:06 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Nov 16 15:13 |
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| schestowitz | Rescuing code from Microsoft's APIs is important. | Nov 16 15:14 |
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| schestowitz | That's why Microsoft dodged to OOXML | Nov 16 15:14 |
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| schestowitz | Interpretors of .doc/.xls/other were TOO GOOD. It needed to move goalposts. | Nov 16 15:14 |
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| seller_liar | Because I will not to stop people using .net ,but we can java run .net | Nov 16 15:22 |
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| seller_liar | It's good, It' s not bad. | Nov 16 15:23 |
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| seller_liar | The reverse is the real problem (ikvm) | Nov 16 15:23 |
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| schestowitz | :-) http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/... | Nov 16 15:40 |
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| seller_liar | Good! | Nov 16 15:53 |
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| seller_liar | These people are more revolutionary than Brazilians | Nov 16 15:53 |
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| schestowitz | My dad just phoned me. | Nov 16 15:53 |
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| schestowitz | He doesn't follow tech but he read about the Intel/Microsoft collusion in the paper | Nov 16 15:53 |
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| seller_liar | And what you think the idea about .net implementation in java | Nov 16 15:54 |
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| schestowitz | People begin to realise what Intel/Microsoft is all about. | Nov 16 15:54 |
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| seller_liar | Intel is very Dangerous | Nov 16 15:54 |
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| schestowitz | YEs | Nov 16 15:54 |
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| schestowitz | They rename computers I think. | Nov 16 15:54 |
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| seller_liar | If vole day some day ,lets Start to boycott intel | Nov 16 15:54 |
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| schestowitz | Netbooks. | Nov 16 15:54 |
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| schestowitz | I tried to find out if it's an Intel trademark | Nov 16 15:54 |
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| seller_liar | If vole die some day ,lets Start to boycott intel | Nov 16 15:54 |
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| schestowitz | I couldn't find evidence. Can you help me check?Please? | Nov 16 15:55 |
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| schestowitz | seller_liar: I already talk about Intel at times. But it's too much to focus on. | Nov 16 15:55 |
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| seller_liar | About wintel netbook attack? | Nov 16 15:55 |
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| schestowitz | Check if "Netbook" is a trademark. | Nov 16 15:55 |
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| schestowitz | I suspect it might be. Intel also uses the term "MID" | Nov 16 15:55 |
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| schestowitz | And the press foolishly echoes that. | Nov 16 15:55 |
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| schestowitz | it's a departure from TabletPC, which was a miserable failure (Windows only) | Nov 16 15:56 |
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| seller_liar | a good link about trademarkd | Nov 16 16:01 |
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| seller_liar | http://www.wipo.int/edocs/mdocs/sme/en... | Nov 16 16:01 |
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| seller_liar | Sorry ,I was trying to find but nothing | Nov 16 16:07 |
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| schestowitz | Ah, same here. | Nov 16 16:07 |
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| schestowitz | Is there a trademark lookup tool (USPTO)? I couldn't find any. | Nov 16 16:07 |
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| schestowitz | Dell tried to gain ownership of "cloud computing" | Nov 16 16:08 |
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| seller_liar | http://www.uspto.gov/smallbusiness/tra... | Nov 16 16:09 |
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| neighborlee | wow.. | Nov 16 16:12 |
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| neighborlee | I guess someone heard me ;) | Nov 16 16:12 |
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| schestowitz | Who? Jo? | Nov 16 16:12 |
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| neighborlee | For example, Fedora 10 does not ship with Mono installed [1] | Nov 16 16:12 |
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| neighborlee | And yes, the establishment shall feel free to move this post to recurring discussions so people don't look at it. < from vexorian post about: a quick question on software patents | Nov 16 16:12 |
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| neighborlee | here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthre... | Nov 16 16:13 |
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| schestowitz | We got some more Mono-boosting yesterday. | Nov 16 16:13 |
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| neighborlee | oh ? ;) | Nov 16 16:13 |
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| seller_liar | who is the guards ? directhex? | Nov 16 16:14 |
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| neighborlee | oh btw | Nov 16 16:14 |
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| neighborlee | name isn't Joanne schestowitz ,,its Joseph | Nov 16 16:14 |
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| neighborlee | :) | Nov 16 16:14 |
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| neighborlee | not that it matters,,,but... | Nov 16 16:14 |
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| neighborlee | In order to install F-Spot and Tomboy, considered the best choices in their class by the Desktop team, installed by default. < HEX comment in that thread | Nov 16 16:15 |
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| neighborlee | thats all the have to hang their hang on, is 3 apps, the latre that most I bet rarely even use, and for which is such a bright shining app that not even the boated vista OS comes with such a app :)) | Nov 16 16:16 |
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| neighborlee | wow,,but linux really needs it :) | Nov 16 16:16 |
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| neighborlee | even so..there are very adept alternative to tomboy that dont require mono. | Nov 16 16:16 |
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| neighborlee | zim for one I think | Nov 16 16:16 |
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| neighborlee | so those arguements are not very moot I think. | Nov 16 16:17 |
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| neighborlee | not/now | Nov 16 16:17 |
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| seller_liar | rthymbox is good | Nov 16 16:18 |
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| neighborlee | Moved to Recurring Discussions. < again..see ubuntu admin just can't see fair open discussion about something this important, where everyone will SEE it actively..best to hide it apparantly ;)) | Nov 16 16:18 |
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| neighborlee | seller_liar, gthumb I think willl be good enough real soon if it isnt already | Nov 16 16:19 |
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| seller_liar | yes , fedora live cd uses gthumb now | Nov 16 16:19 |
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| neighborlee | gthumb now exports to flickr I hear which is great. | Nov 16 16:19 |
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| neighborlee | yup | Nov 16 16:19 |
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| seller_liar | In paldo GNU Linux ,i have tried to explain to moderators ,but always have guards | Nov 16 16:20 |
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| neighborlee | so now fedora and debian are the only safe ones,.only difference is I guess fedora dvd still has it which doens't make alot of sense but there you..unless someone knows thats also changed | Nov 16 16:20 |
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| schestowitz | seller_liar: there is more than one 'guard' | Nov 16 16:21 |
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| neighborlee | I think often people are too young to have seen the threats that M$ has imposed over theyears,,or they dont care being C# programmres and wanting mono to succeed as hex is | Nov 16 16:21 |
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| schestowitz | Some of them we have in BN | Nov 16 16:21 |
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| neighborlee | indeed LOL | Nov 16 16:21 |
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| seller_liar | http://forum.paldo.org/index.php?action=to... | Nov 16 16:21 |
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| schestowitz | Their 'job' is to ensure Mono stays and spreads. | Nov 16 16:21 |
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| neighborlee | and they dont mind spreading fud to do it..a trait picked up from big brother LOL ;) | Nov 16 16:22 |
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| neighborlee | and something they try to use against those trying to show the reality of mono etc...typical M$ tactics ;)) | Nov 16 16:22 |
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| seller_liar | A good idea can be make a java implementation of mono | Nov 16 16:23 |
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| seller_liar | like Jryby | Nov 16 16:23 |
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| seller_liar | Jruby | Nov 16 16:23 |
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| neighborlee | never heard of that one, illl google | Nov 16 16:23 |
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| seller_liar | There's nothing to find | Nov 16 16:23 |
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| neighborlee | anyway I think alot of this is moot now basically isn't it , now that java is open source ? ( im not a progarmmer guru ) | Nov 16 16:23 |
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| seller_liar | But , it's very good port mono to java | Nov 16 16:24 |
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| seller_liar | Maybe someday we can convert banshee of hell to java using Jmono! | Nov 16 16:24 |
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| seller_liar | Port mono to java is a simple way to confuse novell | Nov 16 16:25 |
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| schestowitz | You need to reprogram devs too | Nov 16 16:25 |
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| neighborlee | Fedora ships Mono < from HEX again,,these people just never get over the lieing thing do they ;) | Nov 16 16:25 |
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| neighborlee | I can not believe their willigness to lie. | Nov 16 16:25 |
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| schestowitz | That issue is, the people Novell employes for it /LOVE/ Mono. | Nov 16 16:25 |
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| schestowitz | Some of them love Microsoft too | Nov 16 16:25 |
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| neighborlee | I wonder if anyone will catch that fedora does NOT ship mono..if not I shall chime in real soon ;) | Nov 16 16:26 |
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| schestowitz | You can't convince them to move to Java even if you explain the dangers of Mono | Nov 16 16:26 |
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| seller_liar | Direct hex use the argument Fedora DVD and not fedora live cd | Nov 16 16:26 |
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| schestowitz | .They trust Microsoft, which they believe will defends them.. well, as long as they develop for Windows and Novell | Nov 16 16:26 |
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| neighborlee | seller_liar, of course ;) | Nov 16 16:26 |
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| neighborlee | seller_liar, however I heard the livecd is fedora's preferred default install method.. | Nov 16 16:27 |
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| seller_liar | Because this a mono implementation in java can be very good to java community | Nov 16 16:27 |
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| neighborlee | AND the livecd is a much smaller download and takes a much smaller hit against their servers | Nov 16 16:27 |
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| seller_liar | Yes ,but I do not like fedora | Nov 16 16:27 |
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| seller_liar | Is very geek | Nov 16 16:27 |
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| neighborlee | well its not my favorite either, but atm its one of the few distros that has their heads on straight. | Nov 16 16:27 |
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| neighborlee | debian has too it seems, but d efault debian installer is a joke , as much must be done after install to get to a reasonable desktop and I refuse to bother. | Nov 16 16:28 |
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| seller_liar | For example if create a mono port to java ,the user can acess mono libraries to complemente java and then convert csharp code to bytecadoe | Nov 16 16:28 |
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| neighborlee | unlesss lenny has changed that by now | Nov 16 16:28 |
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| seller_liar | The only way to convince .net people to change is make java compile .net | Nov 16 16:30 |
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| seller_liar | look Jruby for example | Nov 16 16:31 |
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| seller_liar | http://jruby.codehaus.org/ | Nov 16 16:31 |
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| seller_liar | http://ocamljava.x9c.fr/ | Nov 16 16:31 |
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| seller_liar | http://www.jython.org/Project/ | Nov 16 16:32 |
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| seller_liar | http://bistro.sourceforge.net/ | Nov 16 16:32 |
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| seller_liar | This is a real "gay programming" | Nov 16 16:34 |
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| neighborlee | I think another thing that is often missed with mono talks, is that M$ never intends ( last I heard ?) to release source TO mono, thereby hardly making it a prized race horse for anyone that takes linux seriously. | Nov 16 16:34 |
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| neighborlee | LOL gay programiming..is that some new language ;) | Nov 16 16:35 |
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| seller_liar | No , Java uses a lot of languages now , it's a truly rainbow of languages | Nov 16 16:35 |
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| neighborlee | ahhhh :)) | Nov 16 16:36 |
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| neighborlee | And Mono is completely Free Software, whichever way you look at it < you see this is the spin that is constantly used by these types..when its clear we all know its not true..but since they do this for a living, they of course must defend even lies ;) | Nov 16 16:37 |
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| seller_liar | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of... | Nov 16 16:37 |
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| seller_liar | The very strange thing is ...there's not a free implementation of c#->java | Nov 16 16:44 |
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| seller_liar | why? | Nov 16 16:44 |
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| seller_liar | http://www.linkedin.com/companies/mainsoft | Nov 16 16:45 |
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| neighborlee | For example, if a patent license would not permit royalty-free redistribution of the Program by all those who receive copies directly or indirectly through you, then the only way you could satisfy both it and this License would be to refrain entirely from distribution of the Program." < how again does the novel deal avoid this ??? | Nov 16 16:47 |
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| neighborlee | ive noted many times thats a deal breaker at least on principle , but that doesn't get talked about alot. | Nov 16 16:47 |
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| neighborlee | howsever that only novel is covered and no one else is just as relevant. | Nov 16 16:48 |
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| neighborlee | I think we need to do alot more reminding, that fedora is now 'clean' at least on the livecd front. | Nov 16 16:48 |
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| neighborlee | and debian... | Nov 16 16:48 |
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| neighborlee | which ubuntu is based on, but clearly not folowing in said footsteps ;) | Nov 16 16:49 |
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| schestowitz | neighborlee: see http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/28076 "/s/Free Open Source Software/Free-yet-microsoft-swpatents-encumbered/" | Nov 16 16:54 |
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| neighborlee | checking | Nov 16 16:54 |
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| schestowitz | Old Microsoft tricks - published just now... http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/... | Nov 16 16:57 |
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| schestowitz | I alerted some journalists I know about it too. | Nov 16 16:57 |
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| schestowitz | seller_liar: what about Mainsoft? | Nov 16 16:58 |
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| schestowitz | They work with IBM too, IIRC> WebSphere and all... | Nov 16 16:58 |
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| seller_liar | Only Mainsoft has the interest in to port .net to java ? | Nov 16 16:59 |
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| seller_liar | Why only Mainsoft? | Nov 16 16:59 |
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| neighborlee | crap..I read on miguel log that moonlight no longer needs mono, is this true ? | Nov 16 17:00 |
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| neighborlee | not that it matters,,moonlight is stilll silverlight which is from a known monopolist and hater of all things linux so I see no relevance on those fronts either...how soon some forget ;) | Nov 16 17:01 |
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| neighborlee | all M$ cares about is its bottom line $$$,,,linux cares about FOSS I wonder which principle has the most honor :) | Nov 16 17:02 |
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| schestowitz | neighborlee: it's like saying that Moonlight does not require Microsoft codecs. | Nov 16 17:03 |
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| schestowitz | neighborlee: is this item from Miguel new? | Nov 16 17:03 |
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| neighborlee | dont recall how new it is, butits on his log site, whatever its called | Nov 16 17:04 |
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| neighborlee | seems its from may 08 | Nov 16 17:04 |
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| neighborlee | good going btw trying to get word out..champions of foss never have to goto sleep at night tossing and turning that we are crusading for closed standards ;) | Nov 16 17:05 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, old news that. It's disinfo. | Nov 16 17:06 |
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| neighborlee | woah | Nov 16 17:07 |
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| schestowitz | You could compile Moonlight without Microsoft codecs, but it makes it impractical to use on the Web. | Nov 16 17:07 |
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| schestowitz | As far as I know (but I cannot be 100% sure), it's like saying that Flash is okay because we have gnash. | Nov 16 17:07 |
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| seller_liar | the same thing for google chrome | Nov 16 17:07 |
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| schestowitz | Sure, some thing would not work, but it's sort of... kind of... 'works'. Same with Mono-less Moonless, AFAIK. | Nov 16 17:08 |
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| schestowitz | *Moonlight, not Moonless. *LOL* | Nov 16 17:08 |
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| seller_liar | and moon(b)light have some parts licensed in permissive licences | Nov 16 17:08 |
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| neighborlee | when will M$ learn, that foss wants nothing to do with their codec, we want foss alternatives like ogg, and we will all do well by it to inlcude ogg wherever we can on our websites etal..if we dont its never going to become a standard ;) | Nov 16 17:08 |
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| neighborlee | seller_liar, yup | Nov 16 17:08 |
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| schestowitz | Or Google's ports of software to GNU/Linux... | Nov 16 17:08 |
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| schestowitz | Picasa... they remove the bits that don't work in Linux and then release it with stuff castrated. | Nov 16 17:09 |
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| seller_liar | chrome and moondark can imbue proprietary code without the user know | Nov 16 17:09 |
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| schestowitz | Same with Skype... can't GNU/Linux have all the Windows features. It's the same codebase, no? | Nov 16 17:09 |
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| mib_ge9oce | ? | Nov 16 17:09 |
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| MinceR | and google earth which insisted on an upgrade... which didn't work at all. | Nov 16 17:09 |
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| MinceR | it didn't even display the planet after the "upgrade" | Nov 16 17:09 |
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| schestowitz | :-) | Nov 16 17:09 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, just lke skype, mono wil never se e the light of day of the .net sources, which alone makes it hardly worthy of users of FOSS ;) | Nov 16 17:10 |
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| seller_liar | forgot google earth try to use marble | Nov 16 17:10 |
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| MinceR | then there are their webapps that completely ignore all web standards and target some browsers instead | Nov 16 17:10 |
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| MinceR | will marble work as a map? | Nov 16 17:10 |
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| seller_liar | and there are the AGPL problem with google sources | Nov 16 17:11 |
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| seller_liar | sorry I do not know | Nov 16 17:11 |
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| MinceR | looks like it will | Nov 16 17:11 |
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| MinceR | but it needs kde4 so it will have to wait until i upgrade | Nov 16 17:11 |
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| seller_liar | http://edu.kde.org/marble/ | Nov 16 17:11 |
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| schestowitz | Marble uses open mapping data | Nov 16 17:14 |
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| schestowitz | You can extend it | Nov 16 17:14 |
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| seller_liar | open street maps | Nov 16 17:14 |
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| seller_liar | I think I found the solution of problems in GNU / Linux and other free operating systems | Nov 16 17:14 |
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| seller_liar | I will post someday | Nov 16 17:14 |
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| schestowitz | The footage of planet Earth is not free. | Nov 16 17:14 |
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| schestowitz | People buy and sell the planet. Google too... | Nov 16 17:14 |
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| seller_liar | People must stop to use these programs | Nov 16 17:15 |
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| trmanco | seller_liar, is there some kind of marble for gnome? | Nov 16 17:16 |
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| neighborlee | I jsut can't believe the gnome team must deal with the likes of waugh, and that they even give him any credence I find astonishing | Nov 16 17:16 |
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| MinceR | ubuntu has failed at packaging marble | Nov 16 17:17 |
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| neighborlee | im glad to see rms though sticking up for FOSS,,of course this was a year ago, I have n o idea what he is doing 'today' o_0] | Nov 16 17:17 |
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| MinceR | it needs libgps.so.15 but installs libgps.so.16 | Nov 16 17:17 |
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| schestowitz | neighborlee: he doesn't stick to FOSS | Nov 16 17:18 |
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| schestowitz | He sticks to Free software | Nov 16 17:18 |
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| MinceR | it's a pretty stupid conflict | Nov 16 17:18 |
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| neighborlee | sigh | Nov 16 17:18 |
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| schestowitz | I managed to convince him to sort of start a campaign. You'll see. | Nov 16 17:19 |
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| MinceR | considering that free software and open source software are one and the same | Nov 16 17:19 |
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| schestowitz | I tend to agree with RMS | Nov 16 17:19 |
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| schestowitz | People are taught that Ubuntu is "Linux", so they inherit the Linus mindset | Nov 16 17:19 |
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| schestowitz | Same with "Open source". Nothing about the phlosophy. Mixing is all cool, too... | Nov 16 17:20 |
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| schestowitz | They already elbowed GNU and called it Linux | Nov 16 17:20 |
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| schestowitz | Then they kicked Free software, made OSI and made lots of money without explaining the roots | Nov 16 17:20 |
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| trmanco | http://wikimapia.org/ | Nov 16 17:20 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: not anymore, they're not the same | Nov 16 17:21 |
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| schestowitz | Lots of things that are labeled "open source" these days are not (Free software) | Nov 16 17:21 |
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| MinceR | lots of things that are labeled "open source" are not open source :> | Nov 16 17:22 |
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| seller_liar | even At& t is open source now | Nov 16 17:22 |
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| seller_liar | http://www.yoix.org/ | Nov 16 17:22 |
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| MinceR | these people fighting among themselves would do well to listen to Bruce Perens sometime. | Nov 16 17:23 |
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| seller_liar | Did you Know | Nov 16 17:23 |
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| schestowitz | I'm not fighting | Nov 16 17:23 |
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| schestowitz | There are some who do. | Nov 16 17:23 |
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| seller_liar | The free opensource movements does not really know the true potential of community | Nov 16 17:24 |
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| schestowitz | The ritual of money-making is better known. | Nov 16 17:25 |
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| schestowitz | I shoed neighborlee a video I was sent yesterday. | Nov 16 17:25 |
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| schestowitz | Very funny (someone mailed me this): http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=FWWr... | Nov 16 17:25 |
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| schestowitz | bbl | Nov 16 17:31 |
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| twitter | Congratulations to Anivar Aravind for standing up to Novell. | Nov 16 17:34 |
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| twitter | :) | Nov 16 17:34 |
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| neighborlee | oh ? | Nov 16 17:40 |
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| neighborlee | hmm I saw him in here yesterday and wondered what he was up to ;) | Nov 16 17:40 |
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| neighborlee | url ? | Nov 16 17:40 |
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| twitter | the above, http://playingwithsid.blogspot.com/2008/11/bo... | Nov 16 17:44 |
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| neighborlee | ah ic , thats what he meant about the charge sheet. | Nov 16 17:48 |
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| neighborlee | go him :) | Nov 16 17:49 |
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| neighborlee | LOL< they even closed the recurring thread!..wow are they ever running scared ;)) | Nov 16 17:52 |
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| neighborlee | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t... | Nov 16 17:52 |
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| neighborlee | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8816... < as soon as saulgoode reasoned that m r jefferson " Would not Mr Jefferson's words be applicable to both critics and supporters of Mono alike? In fact I should think using a dismissive term such as "FUD" and ridiculing the opinions of another as "parroting" are pretty indicative of NOT willing to engage in reasoned discussion." , then smartboyat home 'suggested | Nov 16 18:01 |
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| neighborlee | ' it be closed and well..it was..so much for reasoned discourse..I guess when the going gets rough ( or their perceptin of rough), some just get going LOL | Nov 16 18:01 |
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| twitter | Slashdot uncritically published the clickstream "study" http://tech.slashdot.org/art... | Nov 16 18:13 |
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| trmanco | http://studenten.freepage.de/meph/mix/p... | Nov 16 18:21 |
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| trmanco | heavy javascript test | Nov 16 18:21 |
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| trmanco | more eyecandy on the way http://smspillaz.wordpress.com/2008/11/15/c... | Nov 16 18:28 |
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| trmanco | oficial freebsd forum: http://www.freebsd.org/news/news... | Nov 16 18:38 |
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| neighborlee | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthrea... < and another closed thread ;) | Nov 16 19:48 |
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| neighborlee | as if anyone thought ubuntu was the premiere fair foss linux advocate..know we all know better. | Nov 16 19:49 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: CWMike, eh? Microsoft man submitted it. | Nov 16 20:21 |
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| trmanco | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ForbiddenI... | Nov 16 20:26 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I know. | Nov 16 20:28 |
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| neighborlee | yeah , that same groklaw article that I noted and hex thouht was irrelevant ;)) | Nov 16 20:30 |
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| schestowitz | neighborlee: it's not Groklaw, it's the SFLC. | Nov 16 20:31 |
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| neighborlee | yeah I know,,I meant the referring url http://www.groklaw.net/article.php... | Nov 16 20:31 |
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| neighborlee | sorry wasn't clear | Nov 16 20:31 |
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| trmanco | http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,452348,... | Nov 16 21:53 |
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| trmanco | "Another major international financial institution has had its computer system attacked by unknown cyber-hackers, FOX News has learned." | Nov 16 21:53 |
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| schestowitz | Just one? :-) | Nov 16 21:55 |
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| trmanco | they use Windows btw http://uptime.netcraft.com/... | Nov 16 21:56 |
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| trmanco | 1 datacentre :-P | Nov 16 21:57 |
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| schestowitz | No surprising. That also says something about professionals they employ (minset) Disclosures being as they are (and based on a study from 2008), there's lots more that say nothing about it in public. The Whitehouse and World Banked got cracked recently as well. The Pentagon is moving to GNU/Linux now. | Nov 16 21:57 |
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| trmanco | I hope they have learned a lesson :-P | Nov 16 21:57 |
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| schestowitz | 1 datacentre, eh? One day the search results in Live will go wonky. You'll ask why and they'll tell you that the datacentre became a zombie army of some gang in China. | Nov 16 21:58 |
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| trmanco | LOL | Nov 16 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | Mainframes running Windows got hijacked. Supercomputers... well, Windows just never runs on them, so.. | Nov 16 22:00 |
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| trmanco | actually | Nov 16 22:01 |
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| trmanco | I think it runs on 1 | Nov 16 22:01 |
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| schestowitz | Attack Unleashed for New Microsoft Mainframe Bug: "Hackers have released code that could be used to take control of a server running Microsoft's Host Integration Server 2006, used to connect mainframe applications to Windows PCs." http://www.pcworld.com/articl... | Nov 16 22:01 |
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| trmanco | of those top 500 | Nov 16 22:01 |
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| schestowitz | 1 or 2 (percent?)... yes. Some try and go back to GNU/Linux. Microsoft can use incentives too. | Nov 16 22:02 |
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| trmanco | 5 computers | Nov 16 22:02 |
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| trmanco | eh! 1% | Nov 16 22:02 |
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| trmanco | http://www.top500.org/stats/list/31/osfam | Nov 16 22:03 |
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| trmanco | LOL, they already patched 20 holes in 16 days | Nov 16 22:04 |
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| trmanco | is this a record for them? | Nov 16 22:04 |
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| schestowitz | It's an experiment for them | Nov 16 22:10 |
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| schestowitz | This was Gates' idea. | Nov 16 22:10 |
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| schestowitz | He ran away from Microsoft realising that Windows was dying. Now he sees patent-trolling as a better busine$. | Nov 16 22:10 |
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| trmanco | ok, so this is spooky | Nov 16 22:14 |
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| trmanco | from 8 banks of portugal | Nov 16 22:14 |
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| trmanco | all of them use NT+IIS | Nov 16 22:14 |
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| trmanco | only 1 has Linux+Apache+NT+IIS | Nov 16 22:15 |
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| trmanco | http://www.microsoft.com/portugal/seguran... | Nov 16 22:16 |
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| trmanco | this last one is the most popular here | Nov 16 22:17 |
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| schestowitz | Bank fraud is up sharply. | Nov 16 22:18 |
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| schestowitz | Banks tend to think that expensive = better. Same in the UK. | Nov 16 22:19 |
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| schestowitz | The Bank of India got OWNED last year... it ran Windows. | Nov 16 22:19 |
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| schestowitz | And there are other Windows-run banks that got HIJACKED. | Nov 16 22:19 |
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| trmanco | is there any safe bank in the UK? | Nov 16 22:20 |
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| trmanco | this is the only one that maybe runs linux: http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/gr... | Nov 16 22:25 |
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| trmanco | but it hasn't been updated in a while | Nov 16 22:26 |
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| schestowitz | A bigger is issue is zombie PCs | Nov 16 22:28 |
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| trmanco | time to go, cya | Nov 16 22:33 |
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| twitter | No business that has Windoze on the desktop is safe. The servers can all run OpenBSD, the bad guys will get in through the PHB's Outlook/Exchange idiocy. | Nov 16 22:51 |
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| MinceR | lolbsd | Nov 16 22:53 |
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| twitter | I'm not familiar with that one. | Nov 16 22:55 |
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| dsmith_ | biz's will run what costs money | Nov 16 22:55 |
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| dsmith_ | :P | Nov 16 22:55 |
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| twitter | oh, it's costing them allright. | Nov 16 22:55 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Nov 16 22:55 |
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| schestowitz | I saw something about this earlier | Nov 16 22:55 |
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| schestowitz | Let me find it. | Nov 16 22:55 |
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| schestowitz | Recent: | Nov 16 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | What Comes After “Embrace, Extend”? | Nov 16 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | ,----[ Quote ] | Nov 16 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | | This is how it will go. Purely in order to “improve” the performance of | Nov 16 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | | Apache and Hadoop on the Windows platform, Microsoft will helpfully offer | Nov 16 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | | some really cool hacks....which will of course only work on the Windows | Nov 16 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | | platform. | Nov 16 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | | | Nov 16 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | | This will effectively fork the Apache/Hadoop/whatever code – all for the good | Nov 16 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | | of their communities. Of course, there may be some “patented” technologies in | Nov 16 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | | there, but Microsoft will promise never, ever to sue anyone using | Nov 16 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | | this “optimised” open source – cross its heart and hope to die. Look for | Nov 16 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | | Microsoft to get involved with other leading open source projects in the same | Nov 16 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | | way. | Nov 16 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | `---- | Nov 16 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/b... | Nov 16 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft and Apache | Nov 16 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | ,----[ Quote ] | Nov 16 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | | It all sounds good. But Apache is no threat to Microsoft, their projects run | Nov 16 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | | on Microsoft systems and their license doesn't prevent "embrace and enhance". | Nov 16 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | | Linux, GNU, OpenOffice, those are more of a threat. This is, obviously, a | Nov 16 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | | strategic move by Microsoft. I'm trying to convince myself that we | Nov 16 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | | didn't "get owned". | Nov 16 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | `---- | Nov 16 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | http://technocrat.net/d/2008/7/25/46596 | Nov 16 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | Bruce Perens: Microsoft and Apache - What's the Angle? | Nov 16 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | ,----[ Quote ] | Nov 16 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | | But Microsoft can still influence how things go from here on. If they have to | Nov 16 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | | live with open source, the Apache project is Microsoft's preferred direction. | Nov 16 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | | Apache doesn't use the dreaded GPL and its enforced sharing of source-code. | Nov 16 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | | Instead, the Apache license is practically a no-strings gift, with a weak | Nov 16 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | | provision against patent lawsuits as its most relevant term. Microsoft can | Nov 16 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | | take Apache software and embrace and enhance, providing their own versions of | Nov 16 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | | the project's software with engineered incompatibility and no available | Nov 16 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | | source, just as they forced incompatibility into the Web by installing IE | Nov 16 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | | with every Windows upgrade. | Nov 16 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | | | Nov 16 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | | IE is derived from Mosaic, the original Web browser, open source with a | Nov 16 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | | license similar to Apache's. So, this isn't a new strategy | Nov 16 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | OOPS!! | Nov 16 22:56 |
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| MinceR | lol | Nov 16 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | Surprise: CTOs Want To Pay For Open Source : http://www.informationweek.com... | Nov 16 22:56 |
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| MinceR | more promises from m$ | Nov 16 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | "The single thing that struck me the most was the note that CTOs have a perception -- valid or not, it scarcely matters -- that it's difficult and potentially legally thorny for them to contribute code back. They'd rather just contribute money, whether in the form of licensing proprietary bits or just paying for expanded features ("Hey, can you write an Outlook connector for this?"), perhaps as an adjunct to their existing suppo | Nov 16 22:57 |
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| schestowitz | rt contracts." | Nov 16 22:57 |
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| schestowitz | They need to produce and show bills to Bill's | Nov 16 22:57 |
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| schestowitz | Legality of Fedora in production environment < http://www.redhat.com/archives/f... > | Nov 16 22:57 |
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| schestowitz | "Recently the appropriate laws in my country (Russia) have been significantly toughened. Now the police can check for illegal software usage by their own initiative (without request from the owner). The tax inspection demands that software should be registered at accounts departments" | Nov 16 22:58 |
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| schestowitz | What about selling free software : http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/bl... | Nov 16 22:58 |
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| schestowitz | "Gervase Markham, the Mozilla Foundation's licensing officer, in an article in the Times Online, talks about being questioned by a northern UK Trading License Officer about giving away software. The trading officer was concerned by a group that was burning the free Mozilla Browser on CDs and selling it." | Nov 16 22:59 |
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| dsmith_ | I was this |.| close from deploying ubuntu in the office, but our CFO stepped in as him coming from a large corporation of 12K employees, he changed the mind of the owner and told him that you don't just NOT use MS in biz | Nov 16 23:02 |
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| dsmith_ | so anything and everything is OS is blackballed | Nov 16 23:02 |
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| dsmith_ | he also brought up liability reason....ya know the "so-called" IP BS | Nov 16 23:02 |
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| MinceR | show them the BSD-licensed stuff in m$ products then | Nov 16 23:02 |
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| dsmith_ | dont wont understand that | Nov 16 23:03 |
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| MinceR | :( | Nov 16 23:03 |
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| dsmith_ | yea | Nov 16 23:03 |
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| twitter | sorry, you CFO is a tool. | Nov 16 23:03 |
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| dsmith_ | hzhaahaha | Nov 16 23:03 |
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| dsmith_ | oh I know that.. | Nov 16 23:04 |
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| dsmith_ | wait till I give my presentation on my laptop | Nov 16 23:05 |
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| dsmith_ | :P | Nov 16 23:05 |
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| schestowitz | Liability? | Nov 16 23:05 |
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| dsmith_ | he read the article in fortune magazine | Nov 16 23:05 |
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| schestowitz | dsmith_: was it related to GPL liabilities or something like Microsoft's insult? | Nov 16 23:05 |
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| dsmith_ | m | Nov 16 23:05 |
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| schestowitz | Really? That Microsoft placement? | Nov 16 23:05 |
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| dsmith_ | MS | Nov 16 23:05 |
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| schestowitz | Bast*rds. | Nov 16 23:05 |
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| dsmith_ | yea, so-called IP article | Nov 16 23:05 |
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| schestowitz | I bet Microsoft points people at it too. | Nov 16 23:05 |
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| schestowitz | Articles were written how it was composed to dramatize. | Nov 16 23:06 |
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| dsmith_ | on another subject, but related: I asked by someone if they overwrite thier windows drive with Linux, would MS get mad at them | Nov 16 23:06 |
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| dsmith_ | I *was* asked | Nov 16 23:07 |
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| schestowitz | By whom? A senior? | Nov 16 23:13 |
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| schestowitz | What is this, "Microsoft karma"? Like the hardware is tracking what you do and emits a dancing monkey with a baseball bat if you install Free software? | Nov 16 23:14 |
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| dsmith_ | no a customer.. I was showing linux to | Nov 16 23:15 |
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| dsmith_ | lol | Nov 16 23:15 |
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| dsmith_ | thats a good line though | Nov 16 23:15 |
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| schestowitz | Biggest BS I've read since "Apple should buy AMD/Adobe": http://www.palluxo.com/2008/11/16/m... ( Microsoft Said No, But Apple May Move to Buy Yahoo ) | Nov 16 23:17 |
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| schestowitz | Heck, IBM should buy Google and Georgia should buy Russia, too. | Nov 16 23:17 |
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| schestowitz | The news about Microsoft is totally empty from the word "Vista". It's like everyone ran away from that 'party'. It's a dirty word now. Amazing. | Nov 16 23:18 |
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| schestowitz | The only stories that mention Vista are about the Intel/Microsoft crimes (unsealed court docs) | Nov 16 23:18 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: Microsoft Documents Vista SP1 Failures < http://rcpmag.com/blogs/weblog.... > (For failurelog?) | Nov 16 23:19 |
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| MinceR | we wouldn't have this micro$oft/crApple mess if people who don't know anything about IT wouldn't be allowed to make IT-related decisions | Nov 16 23:20 |
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| twitter | could be.... | Nov 16 23:20 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto... "Microsoft gave media and developers a first look at Windows 7 last month at its Professional Developers Conference in Los Angeles, and first impressions are mostly positive." | Nov 16 23:25 |
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| schestowitz | See what they did there? | Nov 16 23:25 |
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| schestowitz | Bribe some bloggers, then link to them saying that they like it. | Nov 16 23:25 |
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| schestowitz | Newspapers then say that it's received positively. Manufactured praise. | Nov 16 23:26 |
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| schestowitz | Backed also by the likes of people's whose career is one thing: Windows < http://www.computerworld.com/action/artic... > | Nov 16 23:26 |
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| schestowitz | The media is BROKEN. | Nov 16 23:26 |
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| schestowitz | It's corruptible. Easily. That's how it's run these days. | Nov 16 23:27 |
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| twitter | shame. | Nov 16 23:27 |
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| twitter | but that's why no one trusts them anymore | Nov 16 23:27 |
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| twitter | The driver installation failures are interesting but M$ left themselves enough room to blame users and makers. We don't know if all of the drivers were "certified" for Vista or not, so M$ can blame the user. Even when the user is right, M$ can point their finger at the OEM. | Nov 16 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | But the issue is different. Microsoft is corrupting the blogosphere too now, e.g. with laptops. | Nov 16 23:30 |
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| twitter | They can only corrupt a few sellouts. People can tell the difference. | Nov 16 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | This was foreseen as some years ago BillG decided to use bloggers as his Slog vector. | Nov 16 23:30 |
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| twitter | 25 years ago he learned how by corrupting Byte magazine. | Nov 16 23:31 |
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| schestowitz | He didn't say it like that (Slog), but it's clear now that Microsoft rewards bloggers for sucking up. This is a fact. Lots of prooof. | Nov 16 23:31 |
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| twitter | I agree, but he can't bribe everyone. | Nov 16 23:31 |
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| twitter | bbl | Nov 16 23:31 |
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| schestowitz | Sorry for taking out this frustration in IRC, but it's virtually impossible to even read 'news' feeds nowadays. You have to profile them based on evidence (people *and* publications). You create mental filters as you go along based on things like conflicting interests, former employers, laptop bribes, etc. You can't trust anything you read. It's gut feelings... | Nov 16 23:35 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft-Motorola potential conflict: "More than a year after the surprise resignation of Microsoft Corp.'s chief executive of greater China, on Thursday the software giant named former Motorola Inc. executive Simon Leung to oversee a key market that is fraught with both great commercial promise and potential political hazard." | Nov 16 23:36 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.marketwatch.com/news/stor... | Nov 16 23:36 |
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| schestowitz | Since Moto chooses Linux (LiMo than Android), this is worth watching. Motorola also left the door open for Windows Mobile, so this appointment is curious for its role. | Nov 16 23:37 |
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| schestowitz | WSJ is feeding scum: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1... | Nov 16 23:40 |
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| schestowitz | dsmith_: to show you how close Fotune and Microsoft are (same owners): Former Time Exec Joins Microsoft < http://www.mediapost.com/publicat... > | Nov 16 23:45 |
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| dsmith_ | btw, I d/l/d and installed win7, and activated it | Nov 16 23:46 |
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| dsmith_ | it is basically Vista SP2 | Nov 16 23:46 |
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| schestowitz | Of course. | Nov 16 23:47 |
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| dsmith_ | no innovation | Nov 16 23:47 |
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| schestowitz | They hardly did any coding. | Nov 16 23:47 |
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| dsmith_ | thats what I said | Nov 16 23:47 |
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| schestowitz | They only began work when they realise that Vista was tanking. | Nov 16 23:47 |
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| schestowitz | Instead of SP2 they started renaming and changing the UI | Nov 16 23:47 |
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| schestowitz | Cllchin regretted making SP1 and 2 of XP... saying they should have rebranded these. Vista 7 is Vista + some more code... same ad foundation though. | Nov 16 23:48 |
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| schestowitz | They promise to make it more modular in Longhorn days, but failed to deliver.. Allchin and Poole quit.. Valentine too... all the Windows chiefs are out. | Nov 16 23:48 |
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| dsmith_ | i just do not see MS being the sole big player as they once were | Nov 16 23:49 |
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| dsmith_ | I was in a Apple store the other day | Nov 16 23:49 |
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| dsmith_ | it was packed | Nov 16 23:49 |
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| dsmith_ | it always is.. | Nov 16 23:49 |
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| dsmith_ | best buy/ and the other stores that have Vista on laptops, not a sole.. | Nov 16 23:49 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft has sunk very low.. to hiring the media < http://www.reuters.com/article/mar... > or paying it for wishful thinking. | Nov 16 23:49 |
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| schestowitz | Best Buy... they they not lay off a lot recently? | Nov 16 23:50 |
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| schestowitz | Or closed shops? I could remember wrongly. | Nov 16 23:50 |
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| dsmith_ | circuit city is done with | Nov 16 23:50 |
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| dsmith_ | best buy is still around | Nov 16 23:51 |
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| dsmith_ | I rarely go in there | Nov 16 23:51 |
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| schestowitz | ZDNET.microsoft.com on Microsoft buying the man who shilled for them: http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,100... | Nov 16 23:51 |
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| dsmith_ | when I do I cary a couple linux cd's and boot from them on laptops | Nov 16 23:51 |
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| schestowitz | CompUSA is also in the corner. | Nov 16 23:52 |
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| *ZiggyFish (n=brendan@CPE-60-231-153-91.static.qld.bigpond.net.au) has joined #boycottnovell | Nov 16 23:52 |
| schestowitz | Economics of everything change. People drive less (public transportation replaces that), they spend less on software and keep the old PCs. | Nov 16 23:53 |
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| schestowitz | If shops don't adapt to it (they try sub-notebooks now), they get no business. The Apple shops and Eee stores get their lunch... | Nov 16 23:53 |
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| schestowitz | US Justice is so bizarre sometimes.. http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/s... ( Judge hears $2-billion lawsuit against Wal-Mart, Microsoft over brain control ) | Nov 16 23:54 |
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| dsmith_ | compusa is gone | Nov 16 23:54 |
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| dsmith_ | hmmm | Nov 16 23:56 |
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| dsmith_ | brain-machine interface is real | Nov 16 23:56 |
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| dsmith_ | BMI | Nov 16 23:56 |
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| MinceR | Body Mass Index? | Nov 16 23:56 |
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| dsmith_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain-co... | Nov 16 23:58 |
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| schestowitz | dsmith_: been real for a while. Monkeys can move limps with thoughts. | Nov 16 23:58 |
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| schestowitz | *limbs | Nov 16 23:58 |
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| MinceR | lol | Nov 16 23:58 |
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| schestowitz | Apple introduces DRM-enabled brain interfaces... can't move it between devices (brains) | Nov 16 23:59 |
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| schestowitz | With AI you can make robot autonomous... no need for human brain to 'control' them. | Nov 16 23:59 |
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