| kevin__ | last night i was listening to the linux action show and they spoke to a person who is in the military and was trying to get them to switch to linux | Dec 08 16:39 |
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| kevin__ | that whole incident would have been avoided | Dec 08 16:39 |
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| schestowitz | I think they already switch | Dec 08 17:02 |
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| schestowitz | Red Hat mostly, servers first | Dec 08 17:02 |
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| trmanco | http://blog.ofset.org/ckhung/index.... | Dec 08 17:25 |
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| trmanco | Which is More Important: Open File Format or Free Software? | Dec 08 17:25 |
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| kevin__ | open file format | Dec 08 17:26 |
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| kevin__ | that way people can choose | Dec 08 17:26 |
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| MinceR | why do i need to choose? | Dec 08 17:26 |
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| kevin__ | it's a complicated situation | Dec 08 17:28 |
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| kevin__ | on one hand, if the file format is free, it seems like the proprietary devs won't implement it | Dec 08 17:28 |
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| twitter | Non free software forces you to chose between your freedom and their captured users, aka your culture. | Dec 08 17:29 |
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| kevin__ | on the other, if the whole software itsself is free and the content is only available with said free program, they will have to use it | Dec 08 17:29 |
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| twitter | It is better to take both your freedom and encourage free formats. | Dec 08 17:29 |
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| twitter | These days, actual need for Winblows is rare and can be met with occasional use of other people's computers. | Dec 08 17:30 |
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| kevin__ | think about what it would be like if say itunes was free software | Dec 08 17:30 |
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| twitter | Why do I need iTunes? | Dec 08 17:30 |
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| trmanco | http://internetarchive.wordpress.com/2008/11/25... | Dec 08 17:30 |
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| trmanco | "We will make a new Ogg Theora (with Vorbis audio) opensource/free-based video derivative. This derivative will play natively in Firefox 3.1 release (v3.1 is due around the end of 2008)." | Dec 08 17:31 |
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| twitter | Amarok is free and better. | Dec 08 17:31 |
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| kevin__ | you don't... i don't use it either :) | Dec 08 17:31 |
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| twitter | What exactly do you need XP for? | Dec 08 17:31 |
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| twitter | Most things run on Wine. | Dec 08 17:31 |
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| kevin__ | me personally, a program called transcender | Dec 08 17:31 |
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| kevin__ | i have not tried it in wine though. it uses some nasty drm so it may not work. | Dec 08 17:32 |
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| kevin__ | it is used to study for certifications which are *supposedly* vendor neutral :) | Dec 08 17:32 |
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| kevin__ | like the A+, Linux+, Net+, etc | Dec 08 17:33 |
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| twitter | this program? http://www.transcender.com/dept.aspx?... obviously not "neutral" | Dec 08 17:33 |
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| kevin__ | yep | Dec 08 17:33 |
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| twitter | You might have to use virtual box or parallels | Dec 08 17:33 |
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| kevin__ | but i suppose it's more incentive to go after the LPI instead of Linux+ eh? | Dec 08 17:34 |
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| kevin__ | i already got the A+ so i don't need it for that thankfully | Dec 08 17:35 |
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| twitter | Wine has both success and failure tests http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?s... | Dec 08 17:35 |
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| kevin__ | one guy says everything works | Dec 08 17:36 |
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| kevin__ | the other is rated as garbage :) | Dec 08 17:37 |
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| twitter | Most people get their boss to pay for certs like that, see if your boss might also lend you a computer to study. They get better deals on both certs and Winblows (as I'm sure you know) and should at the very least be able to give you a copy of XP to use. | Dec 08 17:37 |
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| kevin__ | i'm unemployed :) | Dec 08 17:38 |
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| kevin__ | i finished school about 5 months ago and have just moved | Dec 08 17:38 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: good link, re: Archive | Dec 08 17:38 |
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| schestowitz | I need to return to posting their video | Dec 08 17:39 |
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| schestowitz | The producer seems to have begun removing some Oggs, but it's beginning to make sense now (what is happening) | Dec 08 17:39 |
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| kevin__ | people really need to push the vorbis/theora formats more | Dec 08 17:43 |
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| kevin__ | even guys like the Linux Action Show promote mp3 over it | Dec 08 17:43 |
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| kevin__ | some guys like the linux outlaws and tllts make them equally easy to access though | Dec 08 17:44 |
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| kevin__ | i always go for the ogg because they don't sound like running water :) | Dec 08 17:44 |
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| schestowitz | Here's new use of the <video> element: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/08/ste... | Dec 08 17:45 |
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| schestowitz | [thanks to twitter for the pointer] | Dec 08 17:45 |
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| twitter | got it from /. firehose | Dec 08 17:47 |
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| twitter | the internet archive news is good to see. | Dec 08 17:47 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, I found it in a portuguese blog | Dec 08 17:48 |
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| trmanco | an article written by Rui | Dec 08 17:48 |
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| _doug | hi there, Chrome on a USB device, how to save settings ? | Dec 08 17:56 |
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| twitter | heh, typical M$ threat on /. http://news.slashdot.org/comments... | Dec 08 17:56 |
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| _doug | IBM launches Linux Defenders .. | Dec 08 17:57 |
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| _doug | http://legalpad.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/ | Dec 08 17:57 |
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| kevin__ | i just saw the video | Dec 08 17:59 |
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| _doug | how do I get Chrome to remember settings on a USB device ? | Dec 08 18:01 |
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| schestowitz | Hi, redds2soc; _doug | Dec 08 18:11 |
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| redds2soc | Hi. | Dec 08 18:12 |
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| redds2soc | Seems your site gets a lot of opinions some bizarre others more on topic. | Dec 08 18:13 |
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| twitter | the bizarre opinions come from the same group of heckler nyms | Dec 08 18:14 |
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| twitter | they seem to have a lot of time on their hands | Dec 08 18:15 |
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| redds2soc | I admit I'm new to this whole thing. A friend recommended the boycottnovell site and I wanted to see what it's all about. | Dec 08 18:16 |
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| twitter | I got here through a link on Slashdot about Novell. I stayed around because Roy is good at finding free software news links. | Dec 08 18:18 |
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| _doug | redd: it's a one stop shop for all things wrong about the IT business :) | Dec 08 18:18 |
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| redds2soc | I see that and he has a lot of new links. I was just trying to get a feel for whether there are differing opinions or whether people are just spamming his site. | Dec 08 18:18 |
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| twitter | The free software links are good news and largely missing from other sites. | Dec 08 18:18 |
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| _doug | Roy gets upset with al lthe dirty-dealings, I say it's just business :] | Dec 08 18:19 |
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| twitter | crime is not business. | Dec 08 18:19 |
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| twitter | Roy exposes crime. | Dec 08 18:19 |
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| _doug | Any of the top F500 companies didn't get there by playing fair ... | Dec 08 18:20 |
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| twitter | Business is something equals do willingly. Society should protect itself from coercion, unfair trusts and extortion. What M$ and Novell are up to is outright crime. | Dec 08 18:22 |
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| redds2soc | Doug lol | Dec 08 18:22 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, do you mind if I use this < http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uplo... > logo? | Dec 08 18:22 |
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| redds2soc | Twitter, not trying to stoke the fire. Microshaft I understand, they screw everyone. Novell as far as I understand and I'm not that familiar with them are good corporate citizens how made a huge mistake. But that's not criminal. | Dec 08 18:23 |
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| redds2soc | **who made a huge mistake. | Dec 08 18:24 |
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| schestowitz | Sure, trmanco , go ahead | Dec 08 18:24 |
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| trmanco | thanks | Dec 08 18:24 |
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| schestowitz | It was free where I got it. | Dec 08 18:24 |
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| schestowitz | I check licences on images I use. | Dec 08 18:24 |
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| _doug | Don't expect much from anti-Novell zeolots .. | Dec 08 18:24 |
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| _doug | http://www.osnews.com/thread?339594 | Dec 08 18:24 |
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| *schestowitz does a big post asking IBM to fight swpats | Dec 08 18:25 |
| schestowitz | Just in: [opensuse-announce] Wanted: Participants for usability tests of SUSE Studio | Dec 08 18:26 |
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| schestowitz | Free labour for MS/Novell? | Dec 08 18:27 |
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| schestowitz | It's NOT OpenSUSE | Dec 08 18:27 |
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| schestowitz | "We can offer people from outside SUSE a compensation of 20 Euros/hour (if you need two hours then 40 Euros) Interested? Then write or call me or Sigi (siegfried.olschner@novell.com) " | Dec 08 18:27 |
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| schestowitz | "We still need participants for our usability tests of SUSE Studio. The tests will take place here in Nuremberg are one-time tests and will take about one hour each. You should have knowledge in building Linux packages, but should preferably be unexperienced with SUSE Studio. " | Dec 08 18:27 |
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| _doug | RAPIDGate patents passports .. | Dec 08 18:27 |
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| _doug | http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story... | Dec 08 18:27 |
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| _doug | http://www.google.com/patents?id=YLAQAAAA... | Dec 08 18:28 |
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| schestowitz | This reminds me of Microsoft inviting Seattle bloggers and giving them free gifts like XBox360 for helping with some 'study' | Dec 08 18:28 |
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| schestowitz | Bloggers (!!), mind you... not people.. | Dec 08 18:28 |
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| redds2soc | Where do you guys/girls (don't want to offend), find this stuff? | Dec 08 18:28 |
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| schestowitz | redds2soc: RSS feeds | Dec 08 18:28 |
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| schestowitz | The guys here help too. _doug posts loads of stuff and so does trmanco and zoobab (in his Web sites) | Dec 08 18:29 |
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| trmanco | :D | Dec 08 18:29 |
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| redds2soc | Wow. I'll have to set my rss feeder up and keep coming back. I gotta run. Thanks for all the info. | Dec 08 18:30 |
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| _doug | IEEE setting up patent pools .. | Dec 08 18:31 |
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| _doug | http://www.itbusinessedge.com/blogs/h... | Dec 08 18:31 |
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| _doug | Brickfish€® patents Viral Map .. | Dec 08 18:33 |
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| _doug | http://press-releases.techwhack.com/30... | Dec 08 18:33 |
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| _doug | An example of Brickfish's Viral Map technology can be seen here | Dec 08 18:33 |
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| kevin__ | well i am goin g to give this transcender a shot in wine | Dec 08 18:33 |
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| _doug | http://www.brickfish.com/fashion/Coach?tab=... | Dec 08 18:34 |
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| _doug | Looks like a Flash applet .. | Dec 08 18:34 |
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| _doug | An interactive map, populated with a data set .. it looks pretty .. | Dec 08 18:35 |
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| _doug | the GeoView just goes to GoogleMaps .. | Dec 08 18:36 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.brickfish.com/Default.aspx | Dec 08 18:39 |
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| schestowitz | Is this it? Where are /products/? Let's see.. | Dec 08 18:40 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.brickfish.com/Pages/Company/... | Dec 08 18:40 |
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| schestowitz | They don't make chairs, do they. ;-) | Dec 08 18:40 |
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| _doug | I posted link to a demo .. | Dec 08 18:40 |
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| schestowitz | Seems like they sell ideas... not physical products.. | Dec 08 18:40 |
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| schestowitz | Do they keep their own code? | Dec 08 18:41 |
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| schestowitz | Is it closed source? | Dec 08 18:41 |
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| schestowitz | If so, they've got copyrights. | Dec 08 18:41 |
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| _doug | Nokia patents handset gestures .. | Dec 08 18:41 |
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| _doug | http://www.trustedreviews.com/mobile-devices/ne... | Dec 08 18:41 |
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| kevin__ | darn... it blew up on me... doesn't get past the splash | Dec 08 18:41 |
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| schestowitz | Haha. | Dec 08 18:41 |
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| schestowitz | The Flash thing says "patent pending" | Dec 08 18:41 |
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| _doug | "Our proprietary tools and technology" | Dec 08 18:42 |
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| schestowitz | Also, I get warned about click-jacking. | Dec 08 18:42 |
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| schestowitz | So they sell.......... ideas?? | Dec 08 18:42 |
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| _doug | "Brickfish offers an innovative way for brands to engage their target audience online" | Dec 08 18:42 |
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| schestowitz | Where is shop/products? | Dec 08 18:43 |
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| _doug | Sounds like they patented targeted/interactive advertising .. | Dec 08 18:43 |
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| schestowitz | Can't find: -( http://www.brickfish.com/ | Dec 08 18:43 |
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| schestowitz | You can't 'own' that | Dec 08 18:43 |
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| schestowitz | It's based on existing logic | Dec 08 18:43 |
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| schestowitz | What are those Brickfish people... 'innovators'? | Dec 08 18:44 |
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| schestowitz | [Code name for lamers who want to make money uttering words] | Dec 08 18:44 |
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| _doug | "The Brickfish team is led by President and CEO Shahi Ghanem, previously President of Nasdaqlisted | Dec 08 18:45 |
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| _doug | DivX, Inc.," | Dec 08 18:45 |
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| _doug | http://www.brickfish.com/Pages/Company... | Dec 08 18:45 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.brickfish.com/cam... "Microsoft "I'm a PC" collective" | Dec 08 18:45 |
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| schestowitz | I see lots of pro-Microsoft stuff in their site. Maybe it's a source of influence. | Dec 08 18:45 |
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| schestowitz | DivX, another patenter... I think they sue companies | Dec 08 18:46 |
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| schestowitz | They had some issue with Yahoo! about a week or two ago | Dec 08 18:46 |
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| _doug | If I'm-a-PC is a sample of their innovation, I'm not impressed ... | Dec 08 18:46 |
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| schestowitz | So he quit DivX and started with patents elsehwere. | Dec 08 18:46 |
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| schestowitz | _doug: not impressed by PC or by the INNOVA~1? | Dec 08 18:47 |
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| _doug | I'm impressed with the interactive map, just not the idea of using Gates/Scienfeld | Dec 08 18:47 |
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| _doug | http://www.brickfish.com/Lifestyle... | Dec 08 18:47 |
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| _doug | But is it of any use .. ? | Dec 08 18:47 |
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| _doug | see Xanga 31, I would like to click on it and be able to drill down to the actual data .. | Dec 08 18:49 |
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| _doug | 'Life without Walls' big in Kazakhstan :) | Dec 08 18:51 |
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| PetoKraus | hmm | Dec 08 18:53 |
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| PetoKraus | Linux Kernel Performance Subsystem - but only on Intels so far. | Dec 08 18:53 |
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| schestowitz | Phoronic? | Dec 08 18:56 |
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| schestowitz | *nix | Dec 08 18:56 |
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| _doug | "consumer participation in online advertising campaigns" | Dec 08 18:57 |
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| schestowitz | Haha. The app broke. | Dec 08 18:57 |
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| _doug | 'viral marketing' .. can you actually patent that ? | Dec 08 18:57 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.brickfish.com/Pages/404.aspx?pro... " We're very sorry, but the place you're looking for is no longer available." | Dec 08 18:57 |
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| schestowitz | ASPX | Dec 08 18:57 |
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| PetoKraus | schestowitz: y | Dec 08 18:58 |
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| schestowitz | Ask him to mail you spare geatr | Dec 08 18:58 |
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| schestowitz | *gea | Dec 08 18:59 |
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| _doug | lots of fashion sites, what's the name of that company that tried to make money with an online fashion site .. Boo ? | Dec 08 18:59 |
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| _doug | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boo.com | Dec 08 18:59 |
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| _doug | http://www.msdewey.com/ this is from MS research .. | Dec 08 19:00 |
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| schestowitz | Boo.com... died with the bubble? | Dec 08 19:02 |
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| schestowitz | I remember seeing it on Sky when I was 17.. | Dec 08 19:02 |
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| schestowitz | It all collapsed | Dec 08 19:02 |
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| _doug | USPTO sued in patent dispute .. :) | Dec 08 19:04 |
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| _doug | http://chronicle.com/free/v55/i16/... | Dec 08 19:04 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/155111/... ( IEEE to Set up Patent Pools to Simplify Standards Adoption ) | Dec 08 19:05 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, IEEE, what about bloody company that have no patents^H^Hnolopolies? | Dec 08 19:05 |
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| _doug | The Microsoftie who left the Dark Side for Open Source .. | Dec 08 19:05 |
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| _doug | http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3789531/... | Dec 08 19:05 |
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| _doug | "Alex Mogilevsky's patented work on background spell-checking had been stolen by OpenOffice" | Dec 08 19:06 |
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| _doug | how by all the rules of logic, can you patent a background-process-spellchecker ? | Dec 08 19:07 |
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| _doug | If the Microsofties spent less time writing patents and more time writing code, then maybe the OS wouldn't be such an unstable mess and a security nightmare .. | Dec 08 19:09 |
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| schestowitz | WTF? | Dec 08 19:14 |
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| schestowitz | I never read it properly | Dec 08 19:14 |
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| schestowitz | The author of this contacted me some weeks ago. | Dec 08 19:15 |
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| schestowitz | He uses works like "steal" too. | Dec 08 19:15 |
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| schestowitz | *words | Dec 08 19:15 |
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| -_doug-DCC Chat (217.204.51.230) | Dec 08 19:24 |
| *Received a DCC CHAT offer from _doug | Dec 08 19:24 |
| PetoKraus | how is his WORK stolen? | Dec 08 19:32 |
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| PetoKraus | isn't it his IDEA? | Dec 08 19:33 |
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| PetoKraus | if they prove the code is actually the same, then we may start talking about "stealing" work | Dec 08 19:33 |
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| _doug | schest: contacted about what ? (PM) me .. | Dec 08 19:35 |
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| _doug | China requires certification oof security software .. | Dec 08 19:38 |
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| _doug | http://finance.yahoo.com/news/China-ir... | Dec 08 19:38 |
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| _doug | What a good idea .. | Dec 08 19:38 |
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| _doug | Archive.org moving to Ogg Theora .. | Dec 08 19:40 |
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| _doug | http://internetarchive.wordpress.com/2008/11/... | Dec 08 19:40 |
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| PetoKraus | oh bloody hell | Dec 08 19:44 |
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| PetoKraus | my friend just brought harpsichord he borrowed to our flat | Dec 08 19:44 |
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| PetoKraus | it'd be fine, if only he knew to play more than one song | Dec 08 19:45 |
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| PetoKraus | seems like the only viable solution is to pay €£120 and move piano my boss doesn't want (-> i get it for free) to my room. | Dec 08 19:45 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: for stealing one would have to /lose/ the code | Dec 08 19:50 |
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| schestowitz | If it's plagiarism, then it's copying (in the illegal sense), not stealing. | Dec 08 19:50 |
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| PetoKraus | schestowitz: i am not talking about "stealing" something, i am talking about something "work" vs something "idea" | Dec 08 19:51 |
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| *DCC CHAT to _doug aborted. | Dec 08 19:51 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/08... | Dec 08 19:51 |
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| schestowitz | True, but unless the work is something physical, it's hard to steal. | Dec 08 19:52 |
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| schestowitz | Steal is when someone has something at one's expense. | Dec 08 19:53 |
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| schestowitz | People use the word "steal" in this context sparingly. | Dec 08 19:53 |
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| kevin__ | they've tried to define "stealing" as doing anything the vendor doesn't like | Dec 08 19:53 |
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| schestowitz | Just as the word terrorism is used to describe things we just don't like like. | Dec 08 19:53 |
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| kevin__ | again, if i move a copy of windows from an old pc to a new one, i am "stealing" for example | Dec 08 19:54 |
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| schestowitz | "If thought can corrupt language, then language can also corrupt thought." --George Orwell | Dec 08 19:54 |
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| kevin__ | good quote | Dec 08 19:55 |
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| schestowitz | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=... | Dec 08 19:55 |
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| schestowitz | Here is what this tot and his mom were compared to by the MAFIAA: http://www.geekroar.com/film/archives/pira... | Dec 08 19:56 |
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| schestowitz | More recent: "Does She Look Like a Music Pirate?" < http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08... > | Dec 08 19:56 |
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| schestowitz | "She spends most of her days sitting on an overstuffed sofa with a heating pad behind her back to ease chronic pain and migraines that have kept her on disability for nearly five years. Her voice is soft and halting. Yet this woman is behind a fierce assault on the music industry and its tactics for combating music piracy on the Internet." | Dec 08 19:57 |
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| schestowitz | That's a good photo. The colorisation of the sky and all... probably tweaked somehow... | Dec 08 19:58 |
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| kevin__ | i have no respect for the music industry... they're using the internet to spread inferior quality files than were available ten years ago (cds) instead of going 24/192 or something | Dec 08 19:58 |
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| kevin__ | music purchased online should be HD | Dec 08 19:59 |
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| kevin__ | they want to create an artificial upgrade path (128 kbps, 256, etc) | Dec 08 20:00 |
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| kevin__ | know what i mean? | Dec 08 20:00 |
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| schestowitz | This can't be good: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/08/s... "Sun Microsystems' board is getting some fresh blood with two new independent directors, after its largest investor stepped up involvement in the company." | Dec 08 20:00 |
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| schestowitz | How is that forcing an upgrade? | Dec 08 20:01 |
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| schestowitz | They have begun promoting their singers in YouTube. | Dec 08 20:01 |
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| kevin__ | it's not a forced upgrade, it's an artificial upgrade path | Dec 08 20:01 |
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| kevin__ | "you purchased the 128 kbps version, now pay an upgrade fee for 256kbps files" that sort of thing | Dec 08 20:02 |
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| schestowitz | Streaming as a delivery method. They actually have accounts with singers' portfolio and millions of views. AP went down the same route with loads of video reports. | Dec 08 20:02 |
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| kevin__ | they've already done this with itunes/itunes+ | Dec 08 20:02 |
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| schestowitz | What is this itoon thing? :-) | Dec 08 20:03 |
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| kevin__ | 99 cents gets you 128kbps files with DRM, while $1.30 gets you 256kbps with no drm | Dec 08 20:03 |
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| schestowitz | DRM=renting | Dec 08 20:03 |
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| schestowitz | So it's cheaper to rent files. | Dec 08 20:03 |
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| *PetoKraus np: Nine Inch Nails - All the Love in the World (With Teeth) | Dec 08 20:04 |
| kevin__ | they're selling people their rights back :) | Dec 08 20:04 |
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| PetoKraus | Trent Reznor Does Not Approve of DRM | Dec 08 20:04 |
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| schestowitz | kevin__: they sell nothing, I avoid them | Dec 08 20:04 |
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| kevin__ | me too | Dec 08 20:04 |
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| kevin__ | i still read the articles though | Dec 08 20:04 |
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| schestowitz | The analogy from Cory is a good one nonetheless. | Dec 08 20:04 |
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| schestowitz | RIAA/MPAA: serving pirates since 1998 | Dec 08 20:05 |
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| schestowitz | Creative Commons: serving people since 1998 (?) | Dec 08 20:05 |
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| kevin__ | on the subject of CC, you should hear Rob Costlow's music... it's amazing | Dec 08 20:06 |
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| kevin__ | on jamendo | Dec 08 20:06 |
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| schestowitz | ACK http://www.jamendo.com/en/search?sear... | Dec 08 20:07 |
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| schestowitz | GET http://www.jamendo.com/en/download/album/888 | Dec 08 20:08 |
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| trmanco | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/08/... Entire class fails IT exam by submitting in Word format | Dec 08 20:08 |
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| kevin__ | here it is http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/888 | Dec 08 20:09 |
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| kevin__ | track 5 is my favorite | Dec 08 20:09 |
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| schestowitz | Holy hell | Dec 08 20:09 |
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| schestowitz | So much XSS | Dec 08 20:10 |
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| kevin__ | xss? | Dec 08 20:10 |
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| schestowitz | Took me a minute to get past it | Dec 08 20:10 |
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| schestowitz | Cross-site JS | Dec 08 20:10 |
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| kevin__ | oh | Dec 08 20:10 |
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| schestowitz | Lots os spyware needed to be enabled to get the file | Dec 08 20:10 |
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| schestowitz | Fast download. Now, the secret is in getting more big artists to sport their stuff in these sites and people to be aware of these sites | Dec 08 20:12 |
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| kevin__ | yep | Dec 08 20:12 |
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| kevin__ | they also have torrents too | Dec 08 20:12 |
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| schestowitz | In the mean time, MAFIAA does them a big favour by clogging up P2P, but it also kill the legitimate stuff. | Dec 08 20:12 |
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| schestowitz | *kills | Dec 08 20:14 |
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| _doug | Wired mag on Ray Ozzie .. http://www.wired.com/techbiz/people/... | Dec 08 20:15 |
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| schestowitz | Oh no.. that that Wired MS fawning. | Dec 08 20:15 |
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| trmanco | GNUnited Nations 0.1 (initial release): http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/info-gn... | Dec 08 20:16 |
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| schestowitz | 0_o "User-agent: Wanderlust/2.15.5 (Almost Unreal) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.9 (GojÃ
Â) APEL/10.7 Emacs/22.3 (i486-pc-linux-gnu) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI)" | Dec 08 20:17 |
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| _doug | Why Does Microsoft Always Get A Free Pass? Why Does Big Business Reek So Badly? | Dec 08 20:19 |
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| _doug | http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/o... | Dec 08 20:20 |
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| schestowitz | See details about W-E | Dec 08 20:21 |
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| _doug | Virus hits nearly 75% of systems on Afghanistan military base | Dec 08 20:21 |
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| _doug | http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=... | Dec 08 20:21 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/05/wagg... | Dec 08 20:22 |
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| schestowitz | You can't say "insecure Microsoft" and get away with it. | Dec 08 20:22 |
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| schestowitz | _doug: I need to find people in Wikipedia from W-E IP addresses | Dec 08 20:22 |
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| schestowitz | I only found two | Dec 08 20:22 |
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| _doug | Who should be in charge of protecting the Internet: Eric Schmidt, Steve Ballmer, Jeff Bezos and Julius Genachowski .. | Dec 08 20:23 |
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| _doug | http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/12/02/w... | Dec 08 20:23 |
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| _doug | One sells books, the other sells soap :) | Dec 08 20:25 |
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| kevin__ | an operating system vendor :) | Dec 08 20:25 |
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| _doug | translation: who is going to protect the Internet from MS Windows ? | Dec 08 20:26 |
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| kevin__ | hopefully the community as a whole will | Dec 08 20:27 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.nwanews.com/adg/Bus... "However, Radio Free Asia, funded by the U. S. government, reported Wednesday that cafes were being required to install Red Flag Linux even if they were using authorized copies of Windows. " Bwahaha. | Dec 08 20:28 |
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| schestowitz | SpywareNux | Dec 08 20:28 |
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| kevin__ | that is a flavor of linux created by the govt right? | Dec 08 20:29 |
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| schestowitz | Trollish Reg: gOS - if at first you don't succeed... < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/... > | Dec 08 20:34 |
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| schestowitz | kevin__: it's for surveillance, AFAIK | Dec 08 20:34 |
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| _doug | http://snipurl.com/7nzy7 | Dec 08 20:35 |
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| schestowitz | There's the same thing in US coffee shops | Dec 08 20:35 |
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| schestowitz | It's called "Microsoft Windows" and it has back doors | Dec 08 20:35 |
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| schestowitz | But China wants something like their own Windows, with back doors only for the Chinese, not the CIA and FBI | Dec 08 20:36 |
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| schestowitz | "He who controls the back doors..." | Dec 08 20:36 |
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| schestowitz | _doug: page not found | Dec 08 20:37 |
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| kevin__ | the only way to be truely secure is to encrypt the whole hdd | Dec 08 20:37 |
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| _doug | gtg .. | Dec 08 20:42 |
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| *_doug has quit () | Dec 08 20:43 |
| schestowitz | kevin__: more secure is not to have a regime of neocons. | Dec 08 20:45 |
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| schestowitz | The west is still lagging behind when it comes to back-dooring the gnu | Dec 08 20:46 |
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| kevin__ | i remember hearing rumors that there were backdoors in windows.. was that ever confirmed? | Dec 08 21:07 |
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| kevin__ | that was forever ago | Dec 08 21:07 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco hat tip @ http://boycottnovell.com/2008/1... | Dec 08 21:08 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Dec 08 21:08 |
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| schestowitz | Hold on. | Dec 08 21:08 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/04/30... ... I've accumulated more obvious evidence since then (like Microsoft's Ga^H^HPartner Group confirming it) | Dec 08 21:09 |
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| twitter | office failure, very funny. | Dec 08 21:13 |
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| twitter | the softies should know that the biggest failure of all is the failure to do as you are told. M$.DOC, F. | Dec 08 21:15 |
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| schestowitz | United States of Advertising: http://www.pcworld.com/article/1551... (Court Allows Spyware Program to Go Back on Sale) | Dec 08 21:17 |
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| twitter | Safety too, "missed the school entirely" http://www.reuters.com/article/t... | Dec 08 21:17 |
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| twitter | I'm glad someone thought of the children. | Dec 08 21:17 |
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| schestowitz | Army life.. | Dec 08 21:18 |
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| schestowitz | Army nation.. | Dec 08 21:18 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe they were raining. | Dec 08 21:18 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe they were training. | Dec 08 21:18 |
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| schestowitz | It would be sad had the pilot let it kill a whole class after ejecting.. rather than stay in the plane to steer it away from danger zones. | Dec 08 21:20 |
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| schestowitz | Belittled Microsoft... selling tshirts like Mozilla now (and Windows XP for $18).. Microsoft Jumping On The T-Shirt Bandwagon < http://techdirt.com/articles/2008120... > | Dec 08 21:21 |
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| twitter | As usual, the almost free market does better than M$, http://shop.cafepress.com/microsoft | Dec 08 21:28 |
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| schestowitz | Perl 6 to break compatibility, support other interpreters < http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/269758/perl_6_b... >. Same with Python. | Dec 08 21:31 |
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| schestowitz | Oh! And PHP5 too | Dec 08 21:31 |
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| schestowitz | All the Ps in LAMP... not backward compatible | Dec 08 21:31 |
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| twitter | What interpreter are they thinking of? | Dec 08 21:31 |
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| PetoKraus | and? | Dec 08 21:32 |
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| PetoKraus | what's bad about breaking backward compatibility? | Dec 08 21:32 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmm... weird... Colin Barker's article (ZDNet UK) had the headline modified.. http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/business/soa/Novell-81-b... | Dec 08 21:33 |
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| schestowitz | The original was insincere as it ignored the rest of Novell's dying business, but it also talked about business, not revenue. | Dec 08 21:34 |
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| schestowitz | ZDNET fanboyism for Microsoft Linux? | Dec 08 21:34 |
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| twitter | t-shirt comment, "What next Microsoft fragrances?" M$, smells like ass. | Dec 08 21:34 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: it's bad. PHP4 is no longer receiving patches for security purposes and a lot of software was not adapted to do PHP5 | Dec 08 21:35 |
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| twitter | Forcing people to change their code is bad and should never be done without a good reason. I'd like to know what that reason is. | Dec 08 21:36 |
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| schestowitz | Another unsubstantiated article: OpenSolaris tackles Ubuntu dominance < http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/soa/Ope... > | Dec 08 21:37 |
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| schestowitz | is the "1337" (leet) intentional there? | Dec 08 21:37 |
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| schestowitz | Someone just shoved up the "elite" marker there at the end (I wonder who..) http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/soa/OpenS... | Dec 08 21:38 |
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| schestowitz | "Imagine if the brakes on your car failed just 1% of the time. For every 100 times you brake 1 time you'd just keep going. How many times do you brake on an average 1 hour trip? Sometimes for mission critical systems even 99.999% isn't good enough. It's not just mission critical systems though." | Dec 08 21:40 |
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| schestowitz | "What about computers. If they made errors once in 10000, with several billion cycles per second, they'd be unusable. Anyway if each patient requires 178 actions then 1% means every patient has between 1 and 2 mistakes made for them per day. I presume some of these actions are trivial otherwise I'd be amazed if anyone survived" | Dec 08 21:40 |
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| schestowitz | http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=08/... | Dec 08 21:41 |
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| schestowitz | http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&am... "Now, what else can be commented about this, except that “democracy” is a fucked-up word that no one should use with regards to real life?" | Dec 08 21:42 |
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| trmanco | Live Cashback Users Feel Cheated By Microsoft: http://searchengineland.com/live-cashbac... | Dec 08 21:48 |
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| kevin__ | we all feel cheated by ms | Dec 08 21:48 |
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| schestowitz | That can't be true. Microsoft doesn't ever betray anyone, does it? | Dec 08 21:50 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft has the obligation for tolerating inferior search results and being spied on by the Vole. | Dec 08 21:51 |
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| kevin__ | it's like they sell you a car but keep a copy of the keys to steal it back when you're not looking :) | Dec 08 21:51 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft is almost broke | Dec 08 21:51 |
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| schestowitz | It also lobbied heavily for public looting, AKA bailout | Dec 08 21:51 |
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| kevin__ | btw schestowitz, that article you posted earlier made me laugh when someone from the RIAA said a mother sits on disability, seeing as how THEY charge full-price for recordings that were made 50 years ago | Dec 08 21:54 |
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| kevin__ | they own them for eternity! | Dec 08 21:55 |
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| trmanco | http://tirania.org/blog/arc... | Dec 08 21:55 |
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| trmanco | here we go again | Dec 08 21:55 |
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| trmanco | Moonlight goes 3D | Dec 08 21:55 |
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| schestowitz | "Business is an opportunity, not a right.." -- [H]omer | Dec 08 21:56 |
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| schestowitz | Tell me when Icaza goes Microsoft | Dec 08 21:56 |
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| trmanco | ok I will :-P | Dec 08 21:57 |
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| schestowitz | He should visit them permanently. He's just pooping over the wrong side of the fence by promoting anti-Linux tech | Dec 08 21:57 |
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| trmanco | "We are merging his patches to make it simpler for Moonlight to be compiled by Windows users. " | Dec 08 21:57 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft: "we need to catch up with that well-engineered, secure and stable Linux thing" | Dec 08 21:58 |
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| kevin__ | what can moonlight do that flash can't? | Dec 08 21:58 |
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| schestowitz | de Icaza: "we need to catch up with Microsoft... but doing exactly what they do.... poorly" | Dec 08 21:58 |
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| schestowitz | kevin__: Flex | Dec 08 21:58 |
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| schestowitz | Even better | Dec 08 21:58 |
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| kevin__ | i saw that someone got doom running in flash... pretty freaking amazing | Dec 08 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | And there's JavaFX and SVG+Ajax | Dec 08 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | These things are mostly used for freakin' videos... we already have Ogg and <video>\ | Dec 08 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | Senor de Icaza needs to just work on Silverlight (for Microsoft), not Poisonware | Dec 08 21:59 |
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| MinceR | kevin__: it can give m$ an opportunity to sue over sw patents | Dec 08 22:00 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I know. | Dec 08 22:00 |
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| schestowitz | They don't need to | Dec 08 22:00 |
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| schestowitz | They just pull a SCO | Dec 08 22:00 |
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| kevin__ | or they could wait until it got popular and then pull the chair out from under us, so to speak | Dec 08 22:01 |
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| kevin__ | :) | Dec 08 22:01 |
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| schestowitz | Look, that Moonlight (Linux) thing looks just like Silverlight (UNIX/).... anyone who uses it can purchase SUSE (for peace of mind) or "indemnification" from microsoft.com/licensing/<whatever> | Dec 08 22:01 |
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| schestowitz | Right now they just let the poison sink a little deeper | Dec 08 22:02 |
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| schestowitz | KDE users who want to access Silver Lie videos will quite likely get the Mono flu | Dec 08 22:02 |
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| schestowitz | Moonlight is the perfect infection vector, making the Web inaccessible to some who reject Mono. | Dec 08 22:02 |
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| trmanco | Linux Comparison: Fedora and conclusion: http://www.neowin.net/news/main/08/12/06/linux... | Dec 08 22:03 |
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| trmanco | again? what are they up too? | Dec 08 22:04 |
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| kevin__ | if adobe were to open flash it would probably undermine them though | Dec 08 22:04 |
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| schestowitz | Web standards are more established | Dec 08 22:05 |
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| schestowitz | It's better to avoid all those 'puginWebbies' | Dec 08 22:05 |
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| schestowitz | Web standards took many years to evolve nicely. | Dec 08 22:06 |
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| schestowitz | It also took a long time for many implementations (browers) to appear | Dec 08 22:06 |
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| schestowitz | The blobs don't obery browser functions like back, forward, indexing, etc. | Dec 08 22:06 |
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| schestowitz | Those other 'solutions' try another route from scratch and they break the Web | Dec 08 22:07 |
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| schestowitz | Flash only gained traction because of stuff like YouTube. | Dec 08 22:07 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft bribes some companies to plant the XAML trap in places like the Olympic and bring the stack of junk along with it (standard pages like Library of Congress becoming MS lockin) | Dec 08 22:07 |
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| trmanco | hey cool, you referred me in this post <v http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/08... > | Dec 08 22:08 |
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| trmanco | thanks | Dec 08 22:08 |
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| schestowitz | People should sue the Lib. of Congress and Microsoft, which uses Novell to escape current investigations on this matter. | Dec 08 22:08 |
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| kevin__ | at least most of the radio stations are smart enough to stream in multiple formats | Dec 08 22:08 |
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| trmanco | grr | Dec 08 22:10 |
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| trmanco | I don't have <video> tags yet | Dec 08 22:10 |
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| schestowitz | Me neither | Dec 08 22:11 |
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| schestowitz | But it's there in place for future viewing. | Dec 08 22:11 |
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| schestowitz | More sites are gradually embracing ogg | Dec 08 22:11 |
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| schestowitz | I left this comment just 2 minutes ago: http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2008/... | Dec 08 22:11 |
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| kevin__ | i've got 2 portable ogg players | Dec 08 22:11 |
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| kevin__ | they've been around for years. one just has to do research to find them | Dec 08 22:12 |
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| trmanco | nice one | Dec 08 22:12 |
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| trmanco | :) | Dec 08 22:12 |
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| trmanco | I hope they reply | Dec 08 22:12 |
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| kevin__ | i enjoyed going to the store and asking someone about them and they just went blank :) | Dec 08 22:13 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: they usually do. | Dec 08 22:13 |
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| schestowitz | They mean well. They previously made some Webcase... only for Mac and Windows users... they mailed me the slides. | Dec 08 22:13 |
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| schestowitz | *Webcast | Dec 08 22:13 |
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| trmanco | Firefox 3.1 is out | Dec 08 22:14 |
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| trmanco | *beta 2* | Dec 08 22:15 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/newsitems.php "1. A method for styling hair to cover bald areas using only the individual's own hair, comprising separating the hair on the head into several substantially equal sections, taking the hair on one section and placing it over the bald area, then taking the hair on another section and placing it over the first section, and finally taking the hair on the remaining sections and placing it over the o | Dec 08 22:16 |
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| schestowitz | ther sections whereby the bald area will be completely covered." | Dec 08 22:16 |
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| twitter | Here's a comment I just left. http://boycottnovell.com/2007/05/13/war-... | Dec 08 22:16 |
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| schestowitz | That's apprently a real patent: A patent on combing hair to cover a bald spot (#4,022,227) | Dec 08 22:16 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: thanks, I see. I have Thunderbird set up so that my WordPress inbox comes up with popups when something arrives (comments for example). | Dec 08 22:17 |
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| twitter | I've got new respect for Steven Vaughan-Nichols for having pointed out that M$'s patent threats have always been baseless. That does not make M$ less dangerous of malicious, but it's something people should be aware of. | Dec 08 22:18 |
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| schestowitz | I give the /.-bourne stalkers 5 minutes to come and attack twitter with off-topic comments. :-) | Dec 08 22:18 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: SJVN doesn't perceive it the same way as me. | Dec 08 22:18 |
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| schestowitz | He thought all vendors would sign a patent deal within a year | Dec 08 22:19 |
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| schestowitz | I talked to him about it. He was wrong. | Dec 08 22:19 |
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| schestowitz | Now we have even /less/ deals.... because Linspire is kaput | Dec 08 22:19 |
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| twitter | So he knew the threat was judicial extortion but thought it would be a success? That's sad. | Dec 08 22:20 |
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| twitter | I'm glad he was wrong. | Dec 08 22:20 |
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| schestowitz | Symbian: pseudopen-source -> http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=3162 When Symbian stops fighting for software patents in the EU and Nokia stops boosting the MAFIAA's DRM, maybe then Symbian will be worth looking into. | Dec 08 22:21 |
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| twitter | I'm going to make a brief timeline of M$'s patent extortion sometime tonight. | Dec 08 22:22 |
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| schestowitz | Cool! | Dec 08 22:22 |
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| GoblinRFD | Talking of DRM.....just to lighten the mood...(btw Non UK people might not get this) | Dec 08 22:23 |
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| GoblinRFD | What do you call a Police officer that can whistle 10,000 tunes? | Dec 08 22:23 |
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| GoblinRFD | An Iplod. | Dec 08 22:23 |
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| neighborlee | lol | Dec 08 22:24 |
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| GoblinRFD | I liked it...:) | Dec 08 22:24 |
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| schestowitz | Nancy Gohring is attacking Google again, IMHO: http://www.linuxworld.com/news/2008/120808-unlocked... | Dec 08 22:24 |
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| schestowitz | She previously uses Microsoft puppet to ghostwrite anti-Google things. | Dec 08 22:24 |
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| schestowitz | I wrote about it here: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/02... | Dec 08 22:25 |
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| schestowitz | The coverage from the MSBBC about Net censorship was rather appalling, IMHO | Dec 08 22:26 |
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| schestowitz | They didn't defend Wikipedia | Dec 08 22:26 |
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| schestowitz | They could have at least quotes people who fought bacl. | Dec 08 22:26 |
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| schestowitz | "Nobody is suggesting that child pornography is defensible, but this episode has exposed how trivially easy it is to block not just an image, but an entire site – even one as popular and important as Wikipedia – thanks to a centralised routeing system." http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/bl... | Dec 08 22:27 |
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| schestowitz | GoblinRFD: NimbleX Linux - 94% satisfaction < http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/nimblex.html >. Just stumbled upon it.. | Dec 08 22:35 |
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| GoblinRFD | :) | Dec 08 22:51 |
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| GoblinRFD | I really was impressed at NimbleX | Dec 08 22:52 |
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| GoblinRFD | so much so I did a little feature on it. | Dec 08 22:52 |
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| GoblinRFD | Mind you, after looking through the LFS site, I want to do my own distro! One dedicated to emulation.... | Dec 08 22:53 |
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| GoblinRFD | MAME, UAE etc | Dec 08 22:54 |
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| schestowitz | You could do a spin | Dec 08 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | Fedora, PCLOS, even Ubuntu or Slax. Just follow the guides (or use the GUI)... | Dec 08 22:56 |
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| GoblinRFD | mm. If I ever get the time that is. | Dec 08 22:57 |
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| GoblinRFD | Ive been looking at so many different projects at the moment. | Dec 08 22:57 |
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| GoblinRFD | and Im still working on a 4k intro..it was supposed to be for a demo comp earlier this year....never met the deadline and lost interest in it mostly. | Dec 08 22:58 |
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| schestowitz | I've just got this very funny E-mail from my cousin. | Dec 08 22:59 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL | Dec 08 22:59 |
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| schestowitz | It goes like this: "Late next year, Microsoft will offer a free anti-virus, anti-spyware program to everyone who runs Windows (code-named Morro). And I am COMPLETELY psyched." | Dec 08 23:00 |
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| schestowitz | I’ve tried everything over the years: bloated, intrusive, expensive programs like Norton and McAfee; naggy free programs. And deep in the back of my mind, a little voice keeps saying: “This shouldn’t be my problem.” I’m sure it’s been a hot discussion topic inside Microsoft for years. On one hand, ideally, Windows wouldn’t be so easily invaded by viruses; it’s Microsoft’s job to keep our machines protected. | Dec 08 23:00 |
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| schestowitz | "(According to Microsoft, a staggering 60 percent of Windows users have no virus protection at all.)" | Dec 08 23:00 |
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| schestowitz | "On the other hand, what about all the companies who sell anti-virus software? What will happen to them when Microsoft starts giving away the stuff for free?" | Dec 08 23:00 |
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| kevin__ | i'm one of them | Dec 08 23:00 |
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| schestowitz | Gosh. Microsoft really relies on people being gullible. | Dec 08 23:00 |
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| schestowitz | Haha. | Dec 08 23:01 |
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| kevin__ | well i take that back... i have clam av installed | Dec 08 23:01 |
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| GoblinRFD | Good ol'Microsoft | Dec 08 23:01 |
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| schestowitz | And he goes on (he's much older than me). | Dec 08 23:01 |
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| schestowitz | "It’s a tough decision. And maybe the Microsoft OneCare experiment (its $50-a-year anti-virus suite, which will be discontinued at the end of June 2009) taught Microsoft that other anti-virus companies may still be able to survive even with the 800-pound gorilla in the ring. In any case, in the big picture, the world as a whole will be better off when more PC’s are protected." | Dec 08 23:01 |
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| schestowitz | Some people are as gullible as Microsoft needs them to be | Dec 08 23:01 |
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| schestowitz | It’s a tough decision. And maybe the Microsoft OneCare experiment (its $50-a-year anti-virus suite, which will be discontinued at the end of June 2009) taught Microsoft that other anti-virus companies may still be able to survive even with the 800-pound gorilla in the ring. In any case, in the big picture, the world as a whole will be better off when more PC’s are protected. | Dec 08 23:01 |
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| GoblinRFD | Until recently my wife thought Microsoft produced Linux... | Dec 08 23:02 |
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| schestowitz | And he ends: "And a free, official, continuously updated security suite, provided directly from the mother ship, is exactly what the doctor ordered." | Dec 08 23:02 |
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| schestowitz | Yes! Microsoft saves us! | Dec 08 23:02 |
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| GoblinRFD | God bless Microsoft | Dec 08 23:02 |
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| schestowitz | I told him that it's more Microsoft BS. Anti-virus S/W does not protect PCs. it's snake oil, a scam. 98% of all Windows PCs are vulnerable, even with anti-virus software. About 40% are hijacked. If you want security, you need to abandon Windows. It's a wreck. Even Microsoft admitted this. | Dec 08 23:02 |
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| GoblinRFD | Not according to Andre Da Costa | Dec 08 23:03 |
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| schestowitz | "Our products just aren't engineered for security." -- Brian Valentine, Microsoft executive | Dec 08 23:03 |
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| schestowitz | Give him that quote | Dec 08 23:03 |
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| GoblinRFD | "Vista introduced huge improvements to how users kept their personal data secure." Andre Da Costa 25/11/08 Andre's Blog | Dec 08 23:03 |
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| schestowitz | Joe Wilcox admitted this too | Dec 08 23:03 |
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| GoblinRFD | Da Co$ta is the man. | Dec 08 23:04 |
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| schestowitz | Joe Wilcox, last week ( http://blogs.eweek.com/applewatch/content/secur... ): "`There haven't been any major new malware attacks to suggest increasing Mac marketshare has generated more malware. Just two weeks ago, I blogged that in fact Apple's increasing marketshare hadn't led to more attacks Microsoft's marketshare mythology is wrong." | Dec 08 23:04 |
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| schestowitz | So next time the Microsoft fan (Wilcox) pretends that it's a universal issue, show him the mirror | Dec 08 23:05 |
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| schestowitz | UAC is not security | Dec 08 23:05 |
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| schestowitz | http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080... (Vista's UAC security prompt was designed to annoy you) | Dec 08 23:06 |
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| GoblinRFD | MS-Watch has been pretty dull recently. I havent had much fun. | Dec 08 23:06 |
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| GoblinRFD | talking of which, an MS-troll to site said: | Dec 08 23:06 |
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| GoblinRFD | to put it in context, I was laughing at the security measures of Vista. He replied: | Dec 08 23:07 |
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| GoblinRFD | ust a little amazing thingy you said: “The only security Vista seems to be good at is preventing the user of it from doing anything without password… That didn’t help security, just made thinks difficult.” | Dec 08 23:07 |
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| GoblinRFD | Anybody heard of sudo? | Dec 08 23:07 |
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| schestowitz | RMS: "Americans should stop giving Reagan credit for making the Soviet Union collapse, and recall Reagan as the president who betrayed America's honor by selling weapons to terrorists to ransom hostages." < http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-sep-dec... > | Dec 08 23:08 |
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| GoblinRFD | It was funny, I did an article called "Happy Vista users speak out on wordpress" and then went on to link a few unhappy vista customers.....the amount of abuse I got was amazing...Im still sifting through my inbox. | Dec 08 23:09 |
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| GoblinRFD | it must have pressed the right buttons. I think Ill do another. | Dec 08 23:09 |
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| schestowitz | Vista and WP? | Dec 08 23:10 |
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| schestowitz | How are they related? | Dec 08 23:10 |
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| *schestowitz wonders if RMS has a apolitical blog | Dec 08 23:11 |
| schestowitz | "This could mean that Bush and his cronies have not won all they hoped for. They sought total control of Iraqi oil for themselves alone." < http://www.stallman.org/archive... > | Dec 08 23:11 |
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| GoblinRFD | I was just looking for a few cheap hits, and thought the title would attract Vista fanboys. | Dec 08 23:11 |
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| GoblinRFD | http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2008/12/04/art... | Dec 08 23:11 |
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| GoblinRFD | and it certainly did that. | Dec 08 23:11 |
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| MinceR | gn | Dec 08 23:12 |
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| GoblinRFD | gn | Dec 08 23:12 |
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| GoblinRFD | take care. | Dec 08 23:12 |
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| schestowitz | gn | Dec 08 23:12 |
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| schestowitz | The IEEE keeps sending mass mails to all sorts of people in unrelated fields. That almost counts as abuse.. | Dec 08 23:12 |
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| schestowitz | Vista /OWNERS// | Dec 08 23:13 |
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| schestowitz | ? | Dec 08 23:13 |
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| schestowitz | No such thing. Only Microsoft owns Vista. Don't people read the EULA? | Dec 08 23:13 |
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| kevin__ | i liked the mojave experiment | Dec 08 23:13 |
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| schestowitz | They rent a licence to run a /copy/? It can even be revoked. | Dec 08 23:13 |
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| kevin__ | getting users by concieling the truth | Dec 08 23:13 |
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| MinceR | story of their life, kevin__ :> | Dec 08 23:14 |
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| schestowitz | Or showing just some frames selectively. | Dec 08 23:14 |
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| kevin__ | yes... earlier today somebody tried to tell me that if you buy a retail copy of xp you can use it forever | Dec 08 23:14 |
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| schestowitz | They did it later with Vista 7 and corruptible bloggers. | Dec 08 23:14 |
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| schestowitz | kevin__: tell his about China. | Dec 08 23:14 |
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| kevin__ | forever being until the activation servers go down or ms shuts down | Dec 08 23:14 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2008/10/22/c... ( Microsoft sued in China for black screen of death ) | Dec 08 23:15 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/200... ( Microsoft faces second 'black screen' lawsuit ) | Dec 08 23:15 |
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| kevin__ | oh yeah i heard about that... they were changing peoples' wallpapers | Dec 08 23:15 |
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| schestowitz | The poor people thought they owned their own computers when The Beast O/S was installed on the, | Dec 08 23:15 |
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| kevin__ | i see that all the time on the net | Dec 08 23:16 |
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| kevin__ | people saying "but i own this computer" when DRM discussions are taking place | Dec 08 23:16 |
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| schestowitz | Wallpapers... oh yeah... to say the least... Gary McKinnon did that to the US Army. | Dec 08 23:16 |
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| kevin__ | makes me chuckle | Dec 08 23:16 |
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| schestowitz | Or Pentagon, whetever... | Dec 08 23:16 |
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| schestowitz | *whatever... but Gary is no Monopolist, so it's not OK | Dec 08 23:16 |
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| kevin__ | hey schestowitz i saw a youtube video where someone sent a brand new vista disk through a shreader | Dec 08 23:21 |
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| kevin__ | packaging and all... it was quite funny | Dec 08 23:21 |
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| schestowitz | That was hugely popular in 2007 | Dec 08 23:23 |
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| schestowitz | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=... | Dec 08 23:23 |
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| kevin__ | i had to watch it again :) | Dec 08 23:27 |
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| schestowitz | There are better ones. | Dec 08 23:28 |
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| schestowitz | http://blip.tv/file/340692 | Dec 08 23:30 |
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| GoblinRFD | Going off topic slightly, I was really proud, Ive been named: | Dec 08 23:31 |
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| GoblinRFD | "Another thing is that I think Goblin is an idiot. At least, he is a shiller for Linux. I don't care that he is doing it for free. That is his problem." 3/12/08 Microsoft Watch | Dec 08 23:31 |
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| GoblinRFD | and one of my favourite quotes for this week is: | Dec 08 23:33 |
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| GoblinRFD | "it's clear that people still don't get what Vista was all about." EnricoG 03/12/08 Microsoft Watch | Dec 08 23:33 |
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| schestowitz | Larry Augustin sells out: http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/O... | Dec 08 23:34 |
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| schestowitz | 2007: It's Time for Microsoft to Put Up or Shut Up < http://lmaugustin.typepad.com/lma... > | Dec 08 23:34 |
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| schestowitz | 2008: Larry Augustin helps a Vole project with .NET | Dec 08 23:34 |
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| schestowitz | Shame on him. | Dec 08 23:34 |
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| kevin__ | windows cement :) | Dec 08 23:35 |
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| schestowitz | GoblinRFD: the trolls are a dme/dozen, just like Windows zombies and flaws | Dec 08 23:36 |
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| kevin__ | i'm getting serious lag today... | Dec 08 23:38 |
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| *Eruaran has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | Dec 08 23:39 |
| GoblinRFD | I am really looking forward to the release of Windows 7...its just like the first episodes of X-Factor.,you know it will be godawful but its compelling viewing. | Dec 08 23:40 |
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| schestowitz | They'll speand s*loads when it's out in 2010 or whenever... to make this Mojave seem like something different from Vista. | Dec 08 23:41 |
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| schestowitz | Then the reviews of Vista 7 will come from blogs and Microsoft won't be able to silence them | Dec 08 23:42 |
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| schestowitz | By that stage, Microsoft will have been weak and in debt anyway. it's already getting quite frail. | Dec 08 23:42 |
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| GoblinRFD | But dont forget: "It will be better next time" | Dec 08 23:42 |
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| GoblinRFD | "Vista greatness = improved security, eye candy, easy of use." - Clintthewooke on Openbytes 07/12/08 | Dec 08 23:44 |
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| kevin__ | i personally want all the drm ripped out of the system | Dec 08 23:47 |
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| kevin__ | as a consumer i shouldn't have to pay to support such things if i don't want to | Dec 08 23:47 |
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| schestowitz | You don't choose | Dec 08 23:47 |
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| schestowitz | That;'s why FOSS was conceived | Dec 08 23:47 |
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| schestowitz | The systems are built to accommodate other factors | Dec 08 23:48 |
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| schestowitz | MAFIAA... CIA... they all have demands from and relationships with Microsoft and Apple. | Dec 08 23:48 |
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| schestowitz | The operating system is not for /YOU/.... it's for you /TO USE/... along with the restrictions and so-called antifeaturs. | Dec 08 23:48 |
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| kevin__ | they will only be able to push that so far though before average people decide they've had enough | Dec 08 23:49 |
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| schestowitz | Unless it's too late | Dec 08 23:50 |
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| kevin__ | even now the ice is starting to crack | Dec 08 23:50 |
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| schestowitz | They use legiislation (lobbyists and all) | Dec 08 23:50 |
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| schestowitz | That's why you're seeing me distracted by politics | Dec 08 23:50 |
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| schestowitz | RMS apparently relaised this a long time ago | Dec 08 23:50 |
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| schestowitz | "Geeks like to think that they can ignore politics, you can leave politics alone, but politics won't leave you alone." --Richard Stallman | Dec 08 23:50 |
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| schestowitz | Tell that to DVD Jon dn Phil Zimmerman who got visit from 'the court' of the FBI for writing some code that achieve something they need | Dec 08 23:51 |
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| schestowitz | Softare patents, DMCA... all are examples of ANTI-FOSS laws. | Dec 08 23:51 |
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| kevin__ | the DMCA isn't just about locking out free software though. it also exists to exploit people | Dec 08 23:52 |
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| kevin__ | all those innocent users who purchase music from Microsoft's music store and then get a mac for example | Dec 08 23:53 |
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| kevin__ | or linux as the case may be :) | Dec 08 23:53 |
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| schestowitz | Of course. | Dec 08 23:54 |
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| schestowitz | FOSS extends to other areas. | Dec 08 23:54 |
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| schestowitz | Creative Commons, open access, open research, drug industry db sharing and collab, no patents, change of copyrights in practice/use.... | Dec 08 23:55 |
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| kevin__ | now even the hardware makers are getting involved with things like hdcp | Dec 08 23:58 |
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