IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: December 29th, 2008 - Part 1

Dr. Roy Schestowitz

2008-12-30 10:36:04 UTC
Modified: 2008-12-30 10:36:04 UTC

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PetoKraus	moin	Dec 29 06:58
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PetoKraus	even with several 100's of feed items in a feed, it just hangs up the system	Dec 29 07:09
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eupho	http://www.publictechnology.net/modules...	Dec 29 08:16
eupho	Jean-Philippe Courtois becomes "ambassador" for the EYCI 2009.	Dec 29 08:17
eupho	with compTIA they lobbied for the "year".	Dec 29 08:17
schestowitz	Hey	Dec 29 08:17
schestowitz	Let me see...	Dec 29 08:17
eupho	Commissioner Figel seems to be their buddy	Dec 29 08:18
schestowitz	Who's that?	Dec 29 08:19
eupho	http://www.create2009.europa.eu/amb...	Dec 29 08:19
schestowitz	Let's see.	Dec 29 08:19
eupho	I wonder who elected a monopolist	Dec 29 08:19
schestowitz	Stacking?	Dec 29 08:20
eupho	Courtois is the Microsoft EMEA chief salesman	Dec 29 08:20
schestowitz	So wait.. what is his role now? I'm still read it.	Dec 29 08:20
schestowitz	"Jean-Philippe Courtois (FR), President, Microsoft International"	Dec 29 08:21
eupho	I assume the EYCI is a lobby project of hugo Lueders	Dec 29 08:21
eupho	Creativity and Innovation == Software patenting	Dec 29 08:21
schestowitz	What doe it target?	Dec 29 08:21
schestowitz	Oh	Dec 29 08:21
schestowitz	Of course.	Dec 29 08:21
schestowitz	"Innovation"	Dec 29 08:21
schestowitz	Like the fake "VoicesForInnovatyion" site	Dec 29 08:21
eupho	It is a blabla buzz event	Dec 29 08:21
eupho	but funded by EU money	Dec 29 08:21
schestowitz	Created by Microsoft... for the 'community'	Dec 29 08:21
eupho	some political bullshit process, cmp. also the Lisbon agenda	Dec 29 08:22
eupho	Lisbon = "EU for innovation"	Dec 29 08:22
eupho	and competitiveness	Dec 29 08:22
schestowitz	How did you find out?	Dec 29 08:23
eupho	it's on the web	Dec 29 08:27
eupho	your MEP could ask a nasty question	Dec 29 08:27
eupho	http://www.europarl.europa.eu/me...	Dec 29 08:28
eupho	http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesActi...	Dec 29 08:29
eupho	How: that Lueders is behind?	Dec 29 08:29
schestowitz	I'll need to study this a bit, then post the conclusions.	Dec 29 08:29
eupho	simple, listen to him	Dec 29 08:29
schestowitz	I heard of him before.	Dec 29 08:29
eupho	When he is not in evil anti-standards, pro-patent mode he talks about "eskills"	Dec 29 08:30
eupho	and "us" and "our need" to "show leadership" and become more competivee	Dec 29 08:31
eupho	in the field of education	Dec 29 08:31
schestowitz	More competitive...	Dec 29 08:31
schestowitz	Sounds like ACT/ATL	Dec 29 08:31
eupho	ACT is a fly-in, Lueders is the European ground worker and CompTIA also has a certification branch	Dec 29 08:32
eupho	http://www.techworld.com/applications/...	Dec 29 08:32
schestowitz	I see...	Dec 29 08:32
schestowitz	Oh, I saw that article many times.	Dec 29 08:33
eupho	Politically uncorrect: Figel is a Commissioner with a "women job", no one takes him serious	Dec 29 08:34
eupho	A Commissioner for every member state	Dec 29 08:35
eupho	Some overlap. Figel is just a figurehead.	Dec 29 08:37
schestowitz	I'd need to catch up with who is who here.	Dec 29 08:37
schestowitz	Thanks for drawing it up	Dec 29 08:38
eupho	Commissioner for Education, Culture, and Multilingualism	Dec 29 08:38
eupho	http://www.vrwb.be/MFiles/fi...	Dec 29 08:39
eupho	;-)	Dec 29 08:39
schestowitz	Thanks!	Dec 29 08:39
eupho	http://www.ebsummit.eu/programme/speak...	Dec 29 08:39
schestowitz	It looks like the corruptible ones stand out	Dec 29 08:39
eupho	http://www.microsoft.com/france/...	Dec 29 08:39
schestowitz	It's hard for the public to know without entering the "public arena", which is just what they want	Dec 29 08:39
schestowitz	I see...	Dec 29 08:40
schestowitz	So how is Figel connected to it again?	Dec 29 08:40
schestowitz	I'll use this log as notes later on when I write about it	Dec 29 08:40
eupho	http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=es-mx&...	Dec 29 08:40
eupho	Microsoft via Lueders "adopted" Jan Figel as their Commissioner.	Dec 29 08:41
schestowitz	Looks like quite a crony type	Dec 29 08:42
eupho	because no one else is interested in what he has to say	Dec 29 08:42
schestowitz	I see..	Dec 29 08:42
schestowitz	How confident are you?	Dec 29 08:42
eupho	Look at any Microsoft branded as Microsoft event and look whom they invite	Dec 29 08:43
schestowitz	How much do you know about Charlie McCreevy and Microsoft?	Dec 29 08:44
schestowitz	Is there a connection you are aware of?	Dec 29 08:44
schestowitz	I already know the Sarko connection.	Dec 29 08:44
eupho	McCreevy is powerful.	Dec 29 08:46
schestowitz	Like a chainsaw	Dec 29 08:46
eupho	Courtois and Figel, when you see them on stage it looks like they are brothers.	Dec 29 08:46
eupho	http://www.smeday.com/2008/sm...	Dec 29 08:48
schestowitz	SME Day	Dec 29 08:49
schestowitz	LOL	Dec 29 08:49
schestowitz	The ACT thing with Microsoft 'hosting' IIRC	Dec 29 08:49
eupho	+ European!	Dec 29 08:49
eupho	A Microsoft sales guy meeting with some young entrepreneur buzz	Dec 29 08:49
schestowitz	Which entrepreneur buzz?	Dec 29 08:50
eupho	what can WE do to forster investment and make capital available to start ups	Dec 29 08:50
schestowitz	What's funny is that "Small and Medium-sized business day" is organised by monopolists	Dec 29 08:50
eupho	A bit ironic when it is hosted by Microsoft which has a lot of cash for investment	Dec 29 08:50
schestowitz	It's a bit like parents who set up a birthday for a 5-year-old	Dec 29 08:50
eupho	Yes.	Dec 29 08:50
schestowitz	It's no isolated thing.	Dec 29 08:51
schestowitz	They steal voices that way	Dec 29 08:51
schestowitz	I used many examples to show this before.	Dec 29 08:51
eupho	And of course capital conditions, you try to use the young naive entrepreneurs and built your own sock puppets aarmy	Dec 29 08:51
eupho	army	Dec 29 08:51
eupho	Long term, low key	Dec 29 08:51
schestowitz	Yes, like letters from the dead.	Dec 29 08:52
eupho	Oh, Peter Jungen!?	Dec 29 08:52
schestowitz	Who's that?	Dec 29 08:52
eupho	Peter Jungen is, German?!, looks like 75, and talks cold war rhetorics with an SME falvour	Dec 29 08:53
eupho	He is somewhat connected with the SME Union of the conservatives	Dec 29 08:53
schestowitz	How do you know all this?	Dec 29 08:54
eupho	A political capitalism ideologist and activist without a home base.	Dec 29 08:54
eupho	The EU is funny, you just need to watch and follow it.	Dec 29 08:56
eupho	JTAG Tech is a company that innovates with an eye towards user friendliness,” says eeProductCenter’s Alex Mendelsohn. “In this case, the portal towards ease of use is Microsoft Windows. This tool can help implement boundary-scan testing at the board-level or system-level as well as support board-to-board testing.	Dec 29 08:56
eupho	http://www.epistep.org/artemis/d...	Dec 29 08:57
schestowitz	JTAG....	Dec 29 08:57
schestowitz	Didn't they also get or harass with patents?	Dec 29 08:58
eupho	EU + Microsoft == real entertainment.	Dec 29 08:58
schestowitz	Same in the UK	Dec 29 08:58
schestowitz	BillG + B'liar = real blast	Dec 29 08:58
schestowitz	The lawyers talk with influence; Microsoft talks with cash	Dec 29 08:59
schestowitz	They are a match made in heaven.	Dec 29 08:59
eupho	The whole lobby theater works because no one is watching.	Dec 29 08:59
eupho	But it is real fun.	Dec 29 08:59
schestowitz	Yes, I know	Dec 29 09:01
schestowitz	There are wise words to be said about keeping people uninterested	Dec 29 09:01
eupho	Jungen was about to be fired by the Christian democrats for his late release of a Cologne financial report fo	Dec 29 09:01
schestowitz	Keeping them at work 9-5 and then letting them become TV zombies.	Dec 29 09:01
schestowitz	They don't have time or desire to research this, which is exactly what the cronies require.	Dec 29 09:01
eupho	The internet is the next television. Microsoft-EU the next soap opera, looks like SCO-IBMis over now	Dec 29 09:02
schestowitz	Yes, it is	Dec 29 09:02
schestowitz	Groklaw is taking a break	Dec 29 09:02
schestowitz	Patents are the next "Linux stole our code"	Dec 29 09:02
schestowitz	And Novell is the tool for achieving the FUD.	Dec 29 09:03
schestowitz	India too has its share of manipulation for patents	Dec 29 09:03
schestowitz	Some Microsoft lackeys seem to have gotten their hands on the spigot. They push software patents.	Dec 29 09:03
eupho	http://www.european-enterprise.org/ite...	Dec 29 09:05
schestowitz	That said, I have not seen any Indian articles about patents recently. Quiet is no indication of things getting better; it just means that the bad guys have more room for maneuver.	Dec 29 09:05
eupho	Pushing for software patents in foreign jurisdictions is one thing.	Dec 29 09:05
eupho	Penetration of the political class another	Dec 29 09:05
schestowitz	Whose group is this?	Dec 29 09:05
schestowitz	http://www.european-enterprise.org/items/... "The price of an annual Corporate Gold Membership is EUR 20,000 + "	Dec 29 09:06
schestowitz	Lobby for sale.	Dec 29 09:06
schestowitz	Buy you law now... at a discount.	Dec 29 09:06
schestowitz	EEI	Dec 29 09:07
schestowitz	Like IEE in reverse	Dec 29 09:07
eupho	Peter Jungen in the board...	Dec 29 09:07
eupho	these guys are not powerful, more like Vampires. No light-resistance.	Dec 29 09:08
eupho	E.g. Jungen also fights for tax reform.	Dec 29 09:09
eupho	and calls the progressive income tax 'marxist'.	Dec 29 09:09
schestowitz	What is he pushing for?	Dec 29 09:12
schestowitz	McCreecy did it as well.	Dec 29 09:12
schestowitz	It benefits Microsoft.	Dec 29 09:12
schestowitz	I wrote about it in http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/...	Dec 29 09:13
eupho	http://www.euractiv.com/en/innovation/europe-des...	Dec 29 09:14
*schestowitz looks		Dec 29 09:18
schestowitz	I hate this site	Dec 29 09:18
schestowitz	Very pro-patents	Dec 29 09:18
schestowitz	"EU Education Commissioner Ján Figel' "	Dec 29 09:19
schestowitz	The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.	Dec 29 09:19
schestowitz	"Europe desperately lacking 'positive entrepreneurship culture' "	Dec 29 09:19
schestowitz	Translation: Europe is broken; save Europe; Listen to THAT guy	Dec 29 09:20
schestowitz	"However, this approach was challenged by the chair of the Finnish software entrepreneurs' association (Ohjelmistoyrittäjät) and CEO of Digium, Matti Heikkonen. He said entrepreneurship is not an educational issue. "	Dec 29 09:20
schestowitz	Do you know zoobab BTW?	Dec 29 09:20
schestowitz	Someone has found a source of information about MSFT: http://www.transnationale.org/companies/m... Unfortunately there is not so much info about Novell: http://www.transnationale.org/compani... "What is striking is that they have reduced its employees a 27% since 1998," it tell me.	Dec 29 09:37
schestowitz	"Although for the full reports one must be a subscriber, it summarizes interesting things in a single page, quite conveniently: unethical behaviours, tax heavens, financial figures..."	Dec 29 09:37
zoobab	pong	Dec 29 10:12
schestowitz	Hey, what's up?	Dec 29 10:18
schestowitz	I'll post the script above	Dec 29 10:19
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Omar87	hi all.	Dec 29 10:32
schestowitz	Hey, what's up?	Dec 29 10:32
Omar87	Nuthin' :)	Dec 29 10:33
Omar87	You?	Dec 29 10:33
Omar87	I was reading about Bioinformatics a while ago.	Dec 29 10:33
Omar87	It seems pretty interesting!	Dec 29 10:34
schestowitz	I know some people in the field. The world has bigger issues, IMHO	Dec 29 10:34
Omar87	Of course, it does.	Dec 29 10:35
schestowitz	BTW, in case you missed it, Microsoft is being totally exposed now: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/29/micros...	Dec 29 10:35
schestowitz	"We also obtained a copy of a private E-mail claiming to be from James Plamondon, but we can’t divulge it. Our source says: “Perhaps he’s on a fishing expedition to find out exactly what else is out there that might show him in a bad light. And wants me to do it for him. Remember all these Comes docs were supposed to stay buried.”	Dec 29 10:36
eupho	Look, this is info war, without blood and wet trenches but with much more fun.	Dec 29 10:36
schestowitz	What puzzles me is why he sent it to a COLA poster. He made the mistake of taking the trolls on, using their own methods. What's suspected is he was trying to find a link between people and I provided it, by posting references to that email. What was done is that a person posted the original on Usenet so that I can link to it. The man is genuine based on the location, but maybe a trap.	Dec 29 10:38
schestowitz	eupho: I posted your words	Dec 29 10:39
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/29/jung...	Dec 29 10:39
schestowitz	I didn't have time to organise it.	Dec 29 10:39
schestowitz	But the site is less formal than most news sites (just more truthful), so there it goes...	Dec 29 10:39
schestowitz	"That Plamondon doc, could be a manual for how any business could get to the top - by any means necessary"	Dec 29 10:40
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/27/mic...	Dec 29 10:40
schestowitz	He does live in Austin. I saw his IP (BN comment), so unless it's a faker, which I think is unlikely, then we have something in our hands.	Dec 29 10:41
schestowitz	Other people sort of corroborated	Dec 29 10:41
Omar87	schestowitz: How do you find out someone's location out of his IP address..?	Dec 29 10:45
schestowitz	You can't	Dec 29 10:45
schestowitz	But if they post something on your site, you can	Dec 29 10:45
Omar87	schestowitz: Mhmm.	Dec 29 10:45
schestowitz	Other nasty people use their friends who work for an ISP	Dec 29 10:45
schestowitz	The IP gave me confidence that the messages were authentic, not a fabrication	Dec 29 10:46
schestowitz	The annoying thing, people in USENET are the moment faking messages from me.	Dec 29 10:46
schestowitz	The USENET server I typically use if offline and the person who can reboot/fix it overseas, so I can't post to USENET properly.	Dec 29 10:47
Omar87	What a dirty tactic.	Dec 29 10:48
schestowitz	zoobab: http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/12/...	Dec 29 10:49
schestowitz	"	Dec 29 10:50
schestowitz	OOXML scores controversial victoryMicrosoft declared victory in its fight to get fast-track?approval for Open Office XML as a global file format standard on April 1. Some critics said it was ironic that the software giant crowed about its success on April Fools' Day, given that a vocal group of International Organization for Standardization members had complained about irregularities in the voting process"	Dec 29 10:50
schestowitz	Way to underplay crime... http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/-top-10-stories-...	Dec 29 10:50
schestowitz	In the mail this morning: "I support what Roy is doing with Boycott Novell, in that he is keeping Novell's fee to the fire so that they understand that the community doesn't appreciate things such as supporting OOXML and several other big mistakes that Novell has made."	Dec 29 10:51
schestowitz	"See, it seems that we (the FOSS) community have several of mutually antagonistic (but not mutually exclusive) goals to achieve: 1) spread Free Software 2) as quickly as possible 3) as widely as possible 4) while maintaining diversity 5) and while preventing Microsoft and others from confusing the movement as a whole."	Dec 29 10:51
schestowitz	"My concern is that our greatest asset is our ability to collaborate. If we shout too loudly too long at one another, we lose our ability to collaborate. On the other hand, if we don't insist on transparency and Free Software, then we are not a Free Software movement. "	Dec 29 10:51
schestowitz	"In short, we are not going to always get all that we want _in the short term_. We are all going to have to make compromises. I'm sure that each of us here uses some distro other than ututo-e or gNewSense or some other similarly pure distro. I'm sure that all of us here use non-Free codecs such as the Flash plug-in. And more important, newbies are going to want non-Free software until they understand how dumb it is to use non-F	Dec 29 10:51
schestowitz	ree codecs and non-Free software."	Dec 29 10:51
schestowitz	"IMHO, we should use our efforts more to focus on expanding Free Software and Free codecs and less to criticize people who don't. It would be better to take them to task in private."	Dec 29 10:51
schestowitz	"[...] I know that this is not as easy as it seems, because we do need transparency, as well. Having discussions in the open is positive, even if those discussions are antagonistic."	Dec 29 10:51
schestowitz	"Many social movements have failed because of ideological splits. One of our greatest challenges in the Free Software movement is maintaining our focus on Free Software while reconciling with those who don't agree with us."	Dec 29 10:51
schestowitz	"IMHO, we have more in common with Meeks and Novell than Microsoft. "	Dec 29 10:51
schestowitz	Divide and conquer. Microsoft is a bunch of unethical thugs.	Dec 29 10:52
schestowitz	Do nothing, be screwed. Say something, be accused of dividing.	Dec 29 10:52
schestowitz	It's also in the Slog Doc from Microsoft. They do this deliberately, in order to harm from the inside.	Dec 29 10:53
schestowitz	...Does n't matter how one responds, the damage is done. They use money to divide people -- they exploit the loophole of greed.	Dec 29 10:53
schestowitz	So when is the next shipment of money from MS to Novell? Last one was around August. $100,000,000	Dec 29 10:54
schestowitz	Actually, politics are the same	Dec 29 10:54
schestowitz	Consider how the US gives arms for countries to ruin one another	Dec 29 10:54
schestowitz	Like America gave weapons to Iraq, IIRC, so that it will kill and devastate Iran	Dec 29 10:54
schestowitz	Spread the poison, let the 'enemies' fight each other rather than the real felon.	Dec 29 10:55
schestowitz	New and odd (one among 6): http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=kkmrG5iawBM (Drac Novell 2008 5è premi Ràdio Serveis)	Dec 29 10:57
schestowitz	Culture secretary Andy Burnham wants cinema-style age ratings for websites < http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/dec/2... >	Dec 29 10:59
schestowitz	RMS: "The Clown regime wants world-wide Internet censorship. It also wants to increase the danger of the UK's dangerous libel laws, which already chill free speech by making it so easy to win a judgment against criticism."	Dec 29 11:00
schestowitz	http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-sep-d... "Not to forget: how Bush paid Republicans to go to Florida and sabotage the attempt to properly count the votes."	Dec 29 11:00
schestowitz	Police accused of torturing jailed activists < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/27/j... >	Dec 29 11:01
schestowitz	http://www.prwatch.org/node/8095 (Weekly Radio Spin: Dogged Marketing During the Meltdown). The era of media spin is almost ending, so they fight back by censoring the Web and attacking people who speak out.	Dec 29 11:06
schestowitz	http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-sep-de... "How Facebook isolates people by substituting the tag of "friend" for real friendship — while collecting personal data for CIA and marketing use."	Dec 29 11:13
schestowitz	"One thing that is evident is the continuing emergence of the mobile platform as a real alternative to the traditional PC." http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2008...	Dec 29 11:15
schestowitz	http://www.newsweek.com/id/176809 "Since the birth of the Republic, the U.S. government has been in the business of handing out "exclusive rights" (a.k.a., monopolies) in order to "promote progress" or enable new markets of communication. Patents and copyrights accomplish the first goal; giving away slices of the airwaves serves the second. "	Dec 29 11:21
schestowitz	"No one doubts that these monopolies are sometimes necessary to stimulate innovation. Hollywood could not survive without a copyright system; privately funded drug development won't happen without patents."	Dec 29 11:21
schestowitz	"But if history has taught us anything, it is that special interests—the Disneys and Pfizers of the world—have become very good at clambering for more and more monopoly rights."	Dec 29 11:21
schestowitz	"Copyrights last almost a century now, and patents regulate "anything under the sun that is made by man," as the Supreme Court has put it. This is the story of endless bloat, with each round of new monopolies met with a gluttonous demand for more." --Larry Lessig	Dec 29 11:21
Omar87	schestowitz: I'm looking for some professional advice.	Dec 29 11:21
Omar87	schestowitz: I'm a student in Computer Information Systems, and I'm looking for a good field to specialize in after graduation.	Dec 29 11:22
Omar87	schestowitz: I read about Bioinformatics, Cheminformatics, Geoinformatics.. etc.	Dec 29 11:23
schestowitz	I think the industry is frozen for a while	Dec 29 11:25
schestowitz	Quite a few years	Dec 29 11:25
schestowitz	Entering a phase of "socialism" at the moment. It comes in waves and a mate of mine with 3 Masters confirmed this last week.	Dec 29 11:25
schestowitz	I think it's universal, not just a US thing.	Dec 29 11:25
Omar87	Because of the financial crisis?	Dec 29 11:26
schestowitz	Yes.	Dec 29 11:26
schestowitz	I call it the Depression	Dec 29 11:26
schestowitz	Because it seems likely to be similar.	Dec 29 11:26
Omar87	So, where do you suggest I go?	Dec 29 11:27
schestowitz	I'm not sure.	Dec 29 11:27
schestowitz	My brother studies computer science too.	Dec 29 11:27
Omar87	So, at this level, can we say that the world's economy has reached its leap?	Dec 29 11:31
schestowitz	A lot of people are in denial	Dec 29 11:31
schestowitz	I speak to people at the gym for example	Dec 29 11:32
schestowitz	I want to see what they absorb from the biased media that tries to keep them calm	Dec 29 11:32
schestowitz	To deny that 10.2 trillion in debt (the US) is acceptable is to deny that China has powers to become the next US	Dec 29 11:32
schestowitz	The problem I have is, the US has nukes.	Dec 29 11:33
schestowitz	It's also run by greedy fanatics	Dec 29 11:33
schestowitz	There are lots of good people there, but they are routinely silenced.	Dec 29 11:33
Omar87	So does the US having nukes seem like a problem to you?	Dec 29 11:35
schestowitz	On the bright selfish side (for me), there won't be many product announcements in the coming year. When loans are not given and the US industry is at a standstill, there is numbing of other economies too. So I think we'll be seeing more and more dysphoric headlines in 2009 (compared to 2008)	Dec 29 11:36
schestowitz	Omar87: they justify other nations having them too	Dec 29 11:36
schestowitz	They must disarm and bury them. China has nuclear submarines too.	Dec 29 11:36
schestowitz	I don't trust the Obama cabinet either. They have people like Biden and Rahm Emanuel at the centre. They are pro-war.	Dec 29 11:38
Omar87	So, as I understood it, you believe that the US must disarm and get rid of their own nuclear weapon system before preventing other nations from having them?	Dec 29 11:38
schestowitz	Of course.	Dec 29 11:38
schestowitz	Look how it worked with the Soviets (USSR)	Dec 29 11:38
schestowitz	Same with patents	Dec 29 11:38
schestowitz	Bury yours, others will do.	Dec 29 11:39
Omar87	That's true.	Dec 29 11:39
schestowitz	It's grred	Dec 29 11:39
schestowitz	Patents are promoted by suits without the ability to write a "hello world program"	Dec 29 11:39
eupho	USSR? One down, one to go...	Dec 29 11:40
schestowitz	There's greed for power and control too, thus the creation of weapons of mass destruction	Dec 29 11:40
schestowitz	The country with the most "Weapons of Mass Destruction" is the United States of America	Dec 29 11:40
Omar87	If the US buries their nuclear systems, people like Iran won't find any other reason to develop theirs.	Dec 29 11:40
schestowitz	Yes	Dec 29 11:40
schestowitz	Else, it's hypocritical.	Dec 29 11:40
schestowitz	"Daddy, why can't I drink beer if you do?"	Dec 29 11:41
Omar87	"because you are still a kid, and kids don't drink beer, son!"	Dec 29 11:42
schestowitz	Hehe.	Dec 29 11:42
schestowitz	Like yourself, I studied computer science.	Dec 29 11:42
schestowitz	Software Engineering to be precise	Dec 29 11:42
schestowitz	At the time, people's concern was to do well with employment	Dec 29 11:43
schestowitz	But priorities have changed (and will change)	Dec 29 11:43
schestowitz	The 2000/99 bubble was locvalised	Dec 29 11:43
Omar87	You get employed quickly and in a good firm?	Dec 29 11:43
schestowitz	It mostly affected technology	Dec 29 11:43
schestowitz	That too has passed	Dec 29 11:43
Omar87	You mean..	Dec 29 11:43
eupho	This is where computing comes in: Europe has to aim for information and oil authrarky	Dec 29 11:43
eupho	autark	Dec 29 11:43
schestowitz	But this one lower demand for technology because it's broader	Dec 29 11:44
schestowitz	Omar87: I had offers, but I didn't go into employment that's full time	Dec 29 11:44
schestowitz	I quit my last job in March 2006	Dec 29 11:44
eupho	Free software means no one can control it	Dec 29 11:44
schestowitz	I used to have 2 simultaneous jobs beforehand	Dec 29 11:44
schestowitz	My time was better spent doing other stuff.	Dec 29 11:45
Omar87	So how do you suggest I plan for my future?	Dec 29 11:45
schestowitz	But I never dropped out of anything.	Dec 29 11:45
schestowitz	eupho: what do you mean by the oil remark?	Dec 29 11:45
schestowitz	eupho: Free software suits people's needs at this time	Dec 29 11:45
schestowitz	Omar87: I don't know exactly.	Dec 29 11:46
schestowitz	Same about my brother	Dec 29 11:46
eupho	Energy dependencies, the Arabs, the Bush, the Russians	Dec 29 11:46
schestowitz	He's about your age.	Dec 29 11:46
eupho	Same for software dependencies	Dec 29 11:46
Omar87	schestowitz: Do you think I should not worry so much about employment?	Dec 29 11:46
schestowitz	Oil and software alike?	Dec 29 11:46
eupho	Omar, you should not follow the herd	Dec 29 11:47
schestowitz	Omar87: people are treated in some places as though it's an emergency scenario	Dec 29 11:47
eupho	It is difficult to make us energy independent.	Dec 29 11:47
schestowitz	Look at the US bailout	Dec 29 11:47
schestowitz	It's looting	Dec 29 11:47
eupho	Software is no big deal	Dec 29 11:47
schestowitz	But they can't evacuate people out of their home, as that would exacerbate.	Dec 29 11:47
eupho	I mean, imagine one billion for a free software fund	Dec 29 11:48
eupho	One billion is nothing	Dec 29 11:48
schestowitz	So those who can't pay back their loans will be recruited or something	Dec 29 11:48
Omar87	eupho: This is what I'm trying my best NOT to do.	Dec 29 11:48
schestowitz	What I fear is that without a house or money they'll be tempted into military service.	Dec 29 11:48
schestowitz	eupho: don't they have the pipes coming from Iran?	Dec 29 11:48
schestowitz	I don't see how EU is affected by the US re: oil	Dec 29 11:49
schestowitz	Besides, they might increasingly trade in Euro	Dec 29 11:49
eupho	What does public administration spent on MS Office vs. what does it cost to fund OpenOffice	Dec 29 11:49
schestowitz	Software is mini money	Dec 29 11:49
eupho	and stimulate competition	Dec 29 11:49
schestowitz	Compare that to oil or housing.	Dec 29 11:49
schestowitz	Trillions you're looking at...	Dec 29 11:49
Omar87	eupho: One thing about me is that I hate complete and blind obedience, which results in lots of problems.	Dec 29 11:49
schestowitz	Free Software, to me at least, is an enabler	Dec 29 11:50
schestowitz	It also educated people.	Dec 29 11:50
eupho	Here I agree with Richard Stallman	Dec 29 11:50
schestowitz	Stallman was doing activism before he even did the computer hacking.	Dec 29 11:50
eupho	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pos...	Dec 29 11:50
schestowitz	A laptop fell into his lap to enable his to do other things.	Dec 29 11:50
schestowitz	metaphorically speaking (laptop)	Dec 29 11:50
*schestowitz reads the Wiki		Dec 29 11:51
eupho	Post-scarcity is a useful concept.	Dec 29 11:51
schestowitz	Interesting article. Bookmarked for later.	Dec 29 11:52
schestowitz	When was scarcity lost and why. That's the question.	Dec 29 11:52
eupho	I mean, ensure that we all have houses, get us energy independent	Dec 29 11:53
eupho	Problem solved	Dec 29 11:53
schestowitz	"I hereby announce oxygen not Free"	Dec 29 11:53
schestowitz	"Those who can't afford it will be impoverished"	Dec 29 11:53
eupho	Politicians think email is strange because its "for free"	Dec 29 11:53
schestowitz	Hehe.	Dec 29 11:53
eupho	ok you pay the ISP.	Dec 29 11:54
schestowitz	Got refs for that?	Dec 29 11:54
schestowitz	Like a quote?	Dec 29 11:54
eupho	But what about wireless mesh networks	Dec 29 11:54
schestowitz	I know..	Dec 29 11:54
schestowitz	It's not centralized enough.	Dec 29 11:54
eupho	You don't really need ISPs	Dec 29 11:54
schestowitz	How do you disconnect someone?	Dec 29 11:54
schestowitz	What about spying?	Dec 29 11:54
schestowitz	Than agin...	Dec 29 11:54
schestowitz	Think about it. They can't conduct surveillance where face-to-face engagements are involved	Dec 29 11:54
eupho	So from a post scarcity point of view we about to enter paradise.	Dec 29 11:55
eupho	But politicans find the fruits hang to low	Dec 29 11:55
schestowitz	So to stop TERROR~1 they would need to make /EVERY/ interaction centralised	Dec 29 11:55
schestowitz	Which renders it moot	Dec 29 11:55
eupho	information is different from physical goods	Dec 29 11:55
schestowitz	Politicians = those paid by monopolists	Dec 29 11:55
schestowitz	IOW, politicians are typically spokespeople for those poised to lose the most.	Dec 29 11:56
eupho	just think of the music industry. I mean, what is bad about sharing music to fill the needs of the people	Dec 29 11:56
schestowitz	eupho: value is judged by perception	Dec 29 11:56
schestowitz	Whatever one is willing to pay	Dec 29 11:56
eupho	Ah, the artists are starving	Dec 29 11:56
eupho	and the poor collective societies	Dec 29 11:56
schestowitz	So information too can have a price tag	Dec 29 11:56
schestowitz	WIPO, WHO, etc. ensure that.	Dec 29 11:56
eupho	and the government gets taxes when we buy CDs	Dec 29 11:56
schestowitz	Cures to illnesses are for sale too	Dec 29 11:57
schestowitz	http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2008/12/we...	Dec 29 11:57
schestowitz	To borrow the RMS-type sayings, "these people should be prosecuted to prison"	Dec 29 11:57
schestowitz	Crimes against humanity	Dec 29 11:57
schestowitz	eupho: that's why I try not to use and buy CDs	Dec 29 11:57
schestowitz	I use the network to pass information around	Dec 29 11:58
eupho	Just as a thought model. Why not try a "copyright piracy" scenario?	Dec 29 11:58
schestowitz	There's more to it	Dec 29 11:58
eupho	And pay Cliff Richard an annual compensation.	Dec 29 11:58
schestowitz	Copyright permits justification for tracking	Dec 29 11:58
schestowitz	With tracking comes censorship	Dec 29 11:58
eupho	okokok	Dec 29 11:58
schestowitz	Look how USENET comes under attack by Coumo and other white-collar thugs.	Dec 29 11:59
trmanco	:\|	Dec 29 11:59
schestowitz	trmanco: true.	Dec 29 11:59
schestowitz	USENET servers are getting more scarce.	Dec 29 11:59
schestowitz	They try to starve it because it's not centralised	Dec 29 11:59
schestowitz	It's like meshes	Dec 29 11:59
schestowitz	It's people communicating freely and there is no ability to intercept information via messengers	Dec 29 12:00
trmanco	didn't some companies accuse Usenet of being the door to pedophilia ?	Dec 29 12:00
schestowitz	These issues are /far/ more considerable than those that involve software and hardware	Dec 29 12:00
trmanco	for*	Dec 29 12:00
schestowitz	h/w and s/w are infrastructures mostly for communication	Dec 29 12:01
schestowitz	Data storage too, after all, is means of communication (or making comms /available/)	Dec 29 12:01
schestowitz	trmanco: they accuse USENET or many things. They don't try to separate good from bad. They also ruined Wikipedia and block some access because of pedophelia	Dec 29 12:02
trmanco	...	Dec 29 12:02
schestowitz	As in, they pretty much labeled the whole thing "pedophelia" because of some CD cover with a girl.	Dec 29 12:02
schestowitz	Be sure they hate Wikipedia too	Dec 29 12:02
schestowitz	It lacks control. It's like anarchism to them.	Dec 29 12:03
trmanco	what	Dec 29 12:09
trmanco	again	Dec 29 12:09
trmanco	they faked you again	Dec 29 12:09
trmanco	they can't even get to Quote right	Dec 29 12:09
trmanco	or he*	Dec 29 12:09
schestowitz	Where?	Dec 29 12:10
trmanco	is that you?	Dec 29 12:10
trmanco	COLA	Dec 29 12:10
trmanco	no pgp sig	Dec 29 12:11
schestowitz	Where?	Dec 29 12:11
schestowitz	I post from GG for a while	Dec 29 12:11
trmanco	oh ok, I'll shut up then	Dec 29 12:12
schestowitz	Nothing I can do about it.	Dec 29 12:13
trmanco	what is the problem?	Dec 29 12:13
schestowitz	Haha. It's back! http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/Sci...	Dec 29 12:15
trmanco	forget it, I found the post where you say the problem	Dec 29 12:15
schestowitz	trmanco: just downtime	Dec 29 12:15
trmanco	ok	Dec 29 12:15
schestowitz	The admin is abroad for xmas	Dec 29 12:15
trmanco	sorry for the hype, I just thought you got faked again	Dec 29 12:15
schestowitz	"A computer-generated paper has been accepted for the 2008 International Conference on Computer Science and Software Engineering (CSSE). This important conference has also invited the "author" to chair a session on the subject Towards the Simulation of E-commerce."	Dec 29 12:17
schestowitz	The notion of confs is aged	Dec 29 12:17
schestowitz	People have email, skype etc.	Dec 29 12:17
schestowitz	Trade shows too assume that information can hardly be passed around.	Dec 29 12:18
schestowitz	"Having received a TomTom ONE 125 from my wife, for Christmas, I was disappointed to find that your company was so far behind the times as to expect that a connected computer would ONLY be running a Microsoft operating system. "	Dec 29 12:25
schestowitz	Amazing. They use Linux to make the product, but don't support desktop Linux, Same with Motorola.	Dec 29 12:26
schestowitz	"Such behavior, in this day and age, is tantamount to a slap in the face to all the intelligent people in America and in the world who have decided to choose an alternative that does not require massively expensive equipment to run and exorbitant continued fees to maintain."	Dec 29 12:26
schestowitz	"Due to software issues, our TomTom HOME program is not compatible with Linux and we do not have any software available for it at this time. We currently only have software available for Windows 2000, XP, Vista (latest service packs recommended), and Mac OS X 10.3.9 or higher. We apologize for any frustration this may cause."	Dec 29 12:27
schestowitz	So they even support Macs, but supporting the very same platform that they exploit is out of the question.	Dec 29 12:27
schestowitz	"I very much want others to see just how customers are treated when it comes to the choice of operating system for their home computers. To be compelled, without prior warning, to have to use an insecure, buggy, and extremely expensive operating system is absurd. That’s right - NO warning. "	Dec 29 12:27
schestowitz	"Nothing on the box notes any requirement for a Windows operating system in order for the device to fully function in the manner suggested in their literature. Ignorance MIGHT be an excuse, except that others have also drawn to the attention of TomTom the fact that Linux exists. "	Dec 29 12:28
schestowitz	"Therefore, such behavior is unconscionable in the extreme - a blatant ignoring of a significant population of computer users and potential customers. And worse, this shows that they are ignoring the fact that they are operating the TomTom ONE using Linux..."	Dec 29 12:28
schestowitz	Amazing.	Dec 29 12:29
schestowitz	"TomTom uses Linux. But TomTom doesn’t want to acknowledge that, and therefore ignores potential customers. Or, perhaps it’s more than ignoring potential customers. For example, there is the publically demonstrated behavior of Microsoft. "	Dec 29 12:29
schestowitz	Computerworld (IDG) sells out to Microsoft some more. See the Flash at the top left: http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/271830/smal...	Dec 29 12:34
trmanco	TomTom	Dec 29 12:34
schestowitz	TomBoy	Dec 29 12:34
trmanco	doesn't that use some GPL'ed code?	Dec 29 12:35
schestowitz	I don't think it violate GPL	Dec 29 12:35
trmanco	I'm still catching up	Dec 29 12:35
schestowitz	*violates	Dec 29 12:35
trmanco	hmm	Dec 29 12:35
schestowitz	They do what some other Linux moochers do	Dec 29 12:35
schestowitz	It remains to be seen if Palm Nova is another Windows/Mac-only junk like Palm OS	Dec 29 12:35
trmanco	Symbian kinda sucks too	Dec 29 12:36
trmanco	it is like Windows	Dec 29 12:36
trmanco	you get a crapload of viruses	Dec 29 12:36
schestowitz	ComputerWorld is IDG, which gets paid by Microsoft through IDC. The level of favouritism is always astounding.	Dec 29 12:37
trmanco	if you don't have good protection	Dec 29 12:37
schestowitz	Sybmian is badly made.	Dec 29 12:37
schestowitz	Even its owner, Nokia, seems to steer away from it.	Dec 29 12:37
schestowitz	I can't imagine it has the notion of user privileges	Dec 29 12:37
schestowitz	Psion..	Dec 29 12:38
schestowitz	Where are they now? Threatening to sue sites which say "netbook"	Dec 29 12:38
schestowitz	I actually tried to find that trademark some months ago	Dec 29 12:38
trmanco	I have no idea	Dec 29 12:38
schestowitz	Someone in IRC warned that it was a trademark	Dec 29 12:38
schestowitz	I couldn't use that lousy USPTO site.	Dec 29 12:38
trmanco	I was me Ithink	Dec 29 12:39
trmanco	you even said that you use sub netbook instead of netbook	Dec 29 12:39
schestowitz	LOL http://www.internetling.com/2008/12/28/deb...	Dec 29 12:40
schestowitz	trmanco: no, it was someone from Russia	Dec 29 12:40
schestowitz	Wikipedian.	Dec 29 12:40
trmanco	oh ok	Dec 29 12:40
schestowitz	I could use a lookup	Dec 29 12:41
schestowitz	I thought Intel owned "netbook"	Dec 29 12:41
schestowitz	I'm not sure about ULPC and MID	Dec 29 12:41
schestowitz	I just write sub-notebook	Dec 29 12:41
schestowitz	http://www.thevarguy.com/2008/12/28...	Dec 29 12:41
schestowitz	http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leo... "Apple's said it's taking a break from adding flashy features to OS X to focus on the foundations and stability of the system with Snow Leopard, and this latest leaked screenshot might indicate that those foundations are moving to 64 bits"	Dec 29 12:42
schestowitz	OSX has some trouble ATM	Dec 29 12:42
schestowitz	Macs crashing after updates... the Macs fans seem shy to talk about it. Apple will surely try to control perception using damage control, just like Microsoft always does	Dec 29 12:43
schestowitz	Watch how Microsoft corrupted British media: http://philbull.livejournal.com/49517.html	Dec 29 12:44
trmanco	excuse me	Dec 29 12:45
trmanco	WMP, no way	Dec 29 12:46
schestowitz	They promote Microsoft	Dec 29 12:46
trmanco	LOL	Dec 29 12:46
schestowitz	The UK is a lost cause	Dec 29 12:46
trmanco	"* Silverlight support should be available via the Mono Moonlight project, but the video wouldn't play after I installed the plugin."	Dec 29 12:46
schestowitz	Like the US	Dec 29 12:46
schestowitz	Moonlight is part of the scam	Dec 29 12:47
schestowitz	Make Linux 'not work' while telling Web developers that Silver Lie is a Good Thing(C) because it 'supports' Linux.	Dec 29 12:47
schestowitz	The least we can do is expose Microsoft's behaviour for what it is.	Dec 29 12:47
schestowitz	About slogging to control standards and ruin competitors.	Dec 29 12:48
schestowitz	Rememeber the Gates E-mails.	Dec 29 12:48
schestowitz	Some of his people wanted to make thing interoperable.	Dec 29 12:48
schestowitz	HE OBJECTED	Dec 29 12:48
schestowitz	It's people like his who are the thugs who go against common sense and fairness to screw competition.	Dec 29 12:48
schestowitz	I put the E-mails here: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12...	Dec 29 12:49
schestowitz	Gates: "In one piece of mail people were suggesting that Office had to work equally well with all browsers and that we shouldn’t force Office users to use our browser. This Is wrong and I wanted to correct this."	Dec 29 12:49
schestowitz	Gates: "Another suggestion In this mail was that we can’t make our own unilateral extensions to HTML I was going to say this was wrong and correct this also."	Dec 29 12:49
schestowitz	Translation: "we must ruin the Web so that it only works with Windows"	Dec 29 12:50
schestowitz	And some people still call Gates their 'idol'	Dec 29 12:50
schestowitz	Surely they are brainwashed by his media channels that he owns or invests in.	Dec 29 12:50
*eupho has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client")		Dec 29 12:54
schestowitz	This deserves more emphasis: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/7/20081225/ttc-re...	Dec 29 12:54
MinceR	geekings	Dec 29 12:59
schestowitz	Greeks?!!? Where?	Dec 29 12:59
trmanco	the official press release -> http://www.redhat.com/about/news/pr...	Dec 29 13:00
schestowitz	They can exaggerate there, by selection	Dec 29 13:01
schestowitz	Very few people actually dig down these things.	Dec 29 13:01
schestowitz	Journalists are lazy and complacent... until they get laid off, which they do now.	Dec 29 13:02
schestowitz	They are fed by PR agencies like W-E, have ghostwritten junk and they always, always conform, or else some big company will get them fired	Dec 29 13:02
schestowitz	Show me ONE journalist, other than Los Angeles Times, saying that Gates Foundation is used to funnel 'moneys;	Dec 29 13:03
schestowitz	Either the editor will strike that out or company attack the publication and try to get the reporter in trouble.	Dec 29 13:03
schestowitz	That's the issue with bought 'consensus', which is wrong. Like "world is flat..."	Dec 29 13:04
schestowitz	So here's the plan:	Dec 29 13:04
schestowitz	1. Expose the brokenness of the journalistic structure	Dec 29 13:04
schestowitz	2. Show that analysts are inherently corruptible. Their opinions are frequently bought	Dec 29 13:04
schestowitz	3. Then, say the truth and provide evidence to support it.	Dec 29 13:04
schestowitz	The same strategy is used to highlight bias in the media where politics is concerned (often people's lives are at stake)	Dec 29 13:05
schestowitz	Example: Tibet	Dec 29 13:05
schestowitz	From 'our' media we will hear about the horrible Chinese.	Dec 29 13:05
schestowitz	Not about people and protesters from Tiber killing CHinese people	Dec 29 13:06
schestowitz	Because remember... China is VERY EVIL... because it can buy all those American companies and become the big superpower	Dec 29 13:06
schestowitz	Conversely, well...	Dec 29 13:06
schestowitz	There's also the olypic games and the torth	Dec 29 13:07
schestowitz	Like a couple of stunts in a crowd of million is actually newsworthy. They show only what they want to show to support a distorted POV.	Dec 29 13:07
PetoKraus	my friend is in turkey with his family right now	Dec 29 13:08
PetoKraus	youtube censored. Geocities censored	Dec 29 13:08
schestowitz	Yes, I heard	Dec 29 13:08
PetoKraus	http://img126.imageshack.us/my.php?i...	Dec 29 13:08
schestowitz	I thought they had lifted the ban.	Dec 29 13:08
PetoKraus	i mean, why of all the pages in the world, would you ban geocities?!?	Dec 29 13:09
schestowitz	I don't know.	Dec 29 13:09
schestowitz	I have some old pages in Geocities	Dec 29 13:09
schestowitz	Some site I built when I was 15...	Dec 29 13:09
PetoKraus	me as well	Dec 29 13:09
PetoKraus	yeah, same here... at about 13 for me though	Dec 29 13:09
PetoKraus	www.peterkraus.0nyx.com was my one when I was 15yo	Dec 29 13:09
schestowitz	http://img126.imageshack.us/img1... Heh.	Dec 29 13:09
schestowitz	Onyx	Dec 29 13:10
PetoKraus	i used to use iframes quite a lot back then :)	Dec 29 13:10
schestowitz	Good job	Dec 29 13:10
schestowitz	I used framesets	Dec 29 13:10
PetoKraus	nah, it was lame	Dec 29 13:10
PetoKraus	static...	Dec 29 13:10
schestowitz	Posledná zmena: 22.08.2005	Dec 29 13:10
PetoKraus	last change ;)	Dec 29 13:10
schestowitz	Yes, I know.	Dec 29 13:11
schestowitz	I haven't touched mine in like 10 years	Dec 29 13:11
PetoKraus	those caricatures are from my friend :)	Dec 29 13:11
schestowitz	From Turkey? j/k	Dec 29 13:11
schestowitz	What other sites do they block?	Dec 29 13:11
schestowitz	I'm sure they find excuses for it.	Dec 29 13:11
PetoKraus	dunno	Dec 29 13:11
schestowitz	Like... disrespecting some politicians	Dec 29 13:12
schestowitz	We should ban restaurants too	Dec 29 13:12
schestowitz	There might be pedophiles dining there.	Dec 29 13:12
schestowitz	We should also ban subways	Dec 29 13:12
schestowitz	There are sometimes terrorists there	Dec 29 13:12
schestowitz	Then... I know! Let's ban air	Dec 29 13:12
schestowitz	It can contain lethal gas	Dec 29 13:12
schestowitz	And then we'll live in a happy world	Dec 29 13:13
schestowitz	No YouTube, no air...	Dec 29 13:13
PetoKraus	yeah	Dec 29 13:13
schestowitz	Emphasis: "may" :-D	Dec 29 13:13
PetoKraus	it's important people realise restrictions are not good	Dec 29 13:13
schestowitz	This may be harmful, if used improperly	Dec 29 13:13
schestowitz	Let's chop carrots with our teeth	Dec 29 13:14
schestowitz	Selling kitchen knives can lead to marder.	Dec 29 13:14
schestowitz	*murder	Dec 29 13:14
schestowitz	Let's ban cars	Dec 29 13:14
PetoKraus	hehe, my mother's long time friend bought a bed for her and her husband	Dec 29 13:14
schestowitz	They can be used to commit suicide/homicide (accident of exhaust pipe)	Dec 29 13:14
PetoKraus	it's nice, mahogany	Dec 29 13:14
schestowitz	Mahogany?	Dec 29 13:15
PetoKraus	and it has this pneumatic lifting mechanism to access storage	Dec 29 13:15
schestowitz	Ha.	Dec 29 13:15
PetoKraus	yeah, the wood	Dec 29 13:15
schestowitz	My parents have something similar, I think.	Dec 29 13:15
schestowitz	Just not the wood thing	Dec 29 13:15
PetoKraus	anyway, she lifted it up an my mother said	Dec 29 13:15
schestowitz	People value wood like they value other stupid things.	Dec 29 13:15
schestowitz	Like gold watches.	Dec 29 13:15
PetoKraus	"well, your husband now doesn't even have to make effort to get you"	Dec 29 13:15
PetoKraus	because yeah, the mechanism lifts the bed to just	Dec 29 13:16
PetoKraus	perfect position to have sex on	Dec 29 13:16
schestowitz	"I hereby announce you my wife... " "What is this, silver??" Wah Wah!! You don't love me"	Dec 29 13:16
PetoKraus	AND IT's FORBIDDEN!!! IN TFM!!!!	Dec 29 13:16
schestowitz	TFM?!?	Dec 29 13:16
schestowitz	Hehe.	Dec 29 13:16
PetoKraus	yeah, she said she thought about that herself when she was reading the manual for the bed	Dec 29 13:17
schestowitz	Okay, okay..	Dec 29 13:17
PetoKraus	it was mentioned as "no jumping, sitting, or dynamic movements when the compartment is lifted"	Dec 29 13:17
PetoKraus	:)	Dec 29 13:17
schestowitz	What if kids read this, PetoKraus ?	Dec 29 13:17
PetoKraus	schestowitz: time to grow up	Dec 29 13:17
PetoKraus	i'm not virgin killer €©	Dec 29 13:18
PetoKraus	;)	Dec 29 13:18
schestowitz	IWF is.	Dec 29 13:18
schestowitz	What is IWF?	Dec 29 13:18
schestowitz	Internet Watch something?	Dec 29 13:18
PetoKraus	VirginKiller! :)	Dec 29 13:18
schestowitz	Libel in Wikipedia? Not a problem.	Dec 29 13:18
PetoKraus	f*nny	Dec 29 13:18
PetoKraus	and since they are in britain, proper, british one!	Dec 29 13:19
schestowitz	CD covers? Well, then they need to block articles about Parliament, global warning and other 'pedophile' content.	Dec 29 13:19
schestowitz	Proper LOL funny word here.	Dec 29 13:19
PetoKraus	i missed QoTSA ...	Dec 29 13:20
schestowitz	"The ext4 filesystem, the successor to the ext3 filesystem, has been marked stable enough for people to start using and relying on," Novell Linux kernel developer Greg Kroah-Hartman told InternetNews.com.	Dec 29 13:20
PetoKraus	oh well	Dec 29 13:20
schestowitz	So Sean Michael Kerner has contacts with Novell...	Dec 29 13:20
schestowitz	What's QoTSA?	Dec 29 13:20
*PetoKraus np: Queens of The Stone Age - You Can't Quit Me Baby (Over the Years and Trough the Woods)		Dec 29 13:20
PetoKraus	my favourite band.	Dec 29 13:21
PetoKraus	i'm reading this Wintel i7 .... advertisement	Dec 29 13:21
PetoKraus	it's really laughable	Dec 29 13:21
*schestowitz np: Daddy's Car - The Cardigans		Dec 29 13:22
schestowitz	Weird one. It's on shuffle.	Dec 29 13:22
schestowitz	Intel will lay off soon. I can sense it.	Dec 29 13:22
schestowitz	Pretty massive. Maybe they'll manage to create alternative workforce in China.	Dec 29 13:22
schestowitz	We have a slow year ahead, PetoKraus. I think chemists will be fine because the medical sector has demand driven by illness. People don't get more 'healthy' in slowdowns.	Dec 29 13:25
PetoKraus	i don't mind slow year	Dec 29 13:25
PetoKraus	more time to shoot	Dec 29 13:26
schestowitz	Shoot?	Dec 29 13:26
PetoKraus	pictures and rabbits	Dec 29 13:26
schestowitz	Hehe.	Dec 29 13:26
PetoKraus	my friend, that turkish one, wants to go hunting	Dec 29 13:26
PetoKraus	i've never been. Might be fun.	Dec 29 13:26
schestowitz	Here's one for you to beat: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:L...	Dec 29 13:26
schestowitz	Classic.	Dec 29 13:26
PetoKraus	well yeah :D	Dec 29 13:26
schestowitz	"English: Destitute pea pickers in California, mother of seven children, age thirty-two, in the 1930s."	Dec 29 13:27
PetoKraus	mother of seven, age 32	Dec 29 13:27
PetoKraus	that's nothing	Dec 29 13:27
PetoKraus	gimme €£10 and i'll get you a picture of a mother of twelve age 30	Dec 29 13:27
schestowitz	It symbolises the Great Depression.	Dec 29 13:27
schestowitz	Another immortal classic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:G...	Dec 29 13:28
schestowitz	This is the full one: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fil...	Dec 29 13:29
PetoKraus	i like benson's pictures quite a lot	Dec 29 13:30
schestowitz	The former?	Dec 29 13:30
schestowitz	Oh	Dec 29 13:30
schestowitz	Picture (singular)	Dec 29 13:30
PetoKraus	he had a exhibition in the gallery in Glasgow this summer	Dec 29 13:31
*schestowitz searches		Dec 29 13:32
schestowitz	Harry?	Dec 29 13:33
schestowitz	http://wwwpetepoetry-bullybuster.blogspot.co...	Dec 29 13:33
schestowitz	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Har...	Dec 29 13:34
schestowitz	http://www.glasgowmuseums.com/	Dec 29 13:34
schestowitz	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:H...	Dec 29 13:34
schestowitz	I dunno...	Dec 29 13:34
schestowitz	The age of autocracy in photography seems to have ended. Now everyone can just point the camera at stuff and let the aperture DoItsThing(C)	Dec 29 13:36
schestowitz	From mail: "There is no doubt Meeks and the others at Novell in the past did some great development on OOo. But is differerent now. It not like Meeks and his crew "volenteer" and contribute code, or spend 5 months writing up a manual for users for FREE for OOo."	Dec 29 14:01
schestowitz	"They are paid by Novell, probably make more than us, to develope an alternative to OOo, using all OOo resources for the purpose of destroying OOo.....so that they can advance the MS/Novell agenda.."	Dec 29 14:01
schestowitz	"[T]he Novell Meeks crew is not collabarating, they could be using the same time and energy on OOo as they did in the past (prior Novell/MS agreement), but choose to create a competing product and aggresively attack the party they used to help..."	Dec 29 14:02
schestowitz	"The only excuse i have for Meeks, is he works for Novell and needs a paycheck so he might have been forced to go down this path. But that does not make him a friend of our community anymore."	Dec 29 14:02
MinceR	is ooo gplv3?	Dec 29 14:03
MinceR	if not, it should be -- that might be a nice angle to attack the .net patent trap from, perhaps	Dec 29 14:03
schestowitz	lgplv3	Dec 29 14:05
MinceR	i wonder if that enforces a patent license for mono...	Dec 29 14:09
schestowitz	I'll be back in a couple of minutes.	Dec 29 14:45
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*Now talking on #boycottnovell		Dec 29 14:51
*Topic for #boycottnovell is: "Exploring the reality behind exclusionary deals with Microsoft and their subtle (yet severe) implications" [publicly logged]		Dec 29 14:51
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Omar87	schestowitz: Welcome back.	Dec 29 14:53
trmanco	:)	Dec 29 14:54
schestowitz	Once in a couple of weeks Compiz weighs down X, so I give X a kick.	Dec 29 14:54
schestowitz	14:54:46 up 74 days, 23:13, 2 users, load average: 0.96, 1.43, 1.63	Dec 29 14:54
trmanco	lol	Dec 29 14:55
trmanco	a couple of weeks?	Dec 29 14:55
trmanco	more like a couple of months	Dec 29 14:55
schestowitz	Something like that	Dec 29 14:55
schestowitz	I don't need to reboot to restart X	Dec 29 14:55
*trmanco checks shell server's uptime		Dec 29 14:55
trmanco	yeah I know	Dec 29 14:55
trmanco	15:05:37 up 33 days, 8:31, 6 users, load average: 1.05, 1.33, 1.38	Dec 29 14:56
trmanco	hmm	Dec 29 14:56
trmanco	just a month for now	Dec 29 14:56
trmanco	too bad the uptime project died	Dec 29 14:57
trmanco	:\|	Dec 29 14:57
trmanco	there was a Solaris computers with 6 years of uptime	Dec 29 14:58
trmanco	computer*	Dec 29 14:58
trmanco	The guy behind it managed to swap hard drives with it on somehow at about 4 years of uptime	Dec 29 14:58
trmanco	they hard drive was dying at that moment	Dec 29 14:59
trmanco	"This was especially true in the Windows 9x days[citation needed], where Windows NT and Windows 2000 users would boast of uptimes of more than 30 days, whereas many real-world Windows 9x installations crashed more often."	Dec 29 15:01
trmanco	LOL	Dec 29 15:01
trmanco	an OpenVMS machine almost ram 12 years without a reboot :\|	Dec 29 15:02
schestowitz	Hm... This is the beginning of bigger things, e.g.:	Dec 29 15:02
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12...	Dec 29 15:02
trmanco	ran*	Dec 29 15:02
schestowitz	Intertsing.	Dec 29 15:02
schestowitz	Did the project really die?	Dec 29 15:02
trmanco	yes	Dec 29 15:02
trmanco	it died in 2007	Dec 29 15:03
trmanco	who is Doug Mentohl	Dec 29 15:03
trmanco	?	Dec 29 15:03
trmanco	there is a news uptime project though http://www.uptimes-project.org/	Dec 29 15:06
schestowitz	How as the project funded or --rather--what did it achieve?	Dec 29 15:15
schestowitz	To put this differently, projects die if they are almost useless.	Dec 29 15:15
schestowitz	I run BN because I think it's helpful and it's fun	Dec 29 15:16

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: December 29th, 2008 - Part 1

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