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schestowitzMSBBC sees its sponsor/sugar daddy losing it: "down 11% on last year and less than analysts' expectations." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/busi...Jan 23 00:01
schestowitzSatyam Inflated Employee Figures to Siphon Cash < http://www.pcworld.com/article/158136/s... >Jan 23 00:17
schestowitzBailing out lie and spin tellers?? < http://www.prwatch.org/node/8147 > ( Government Bailout for Journalism? )Jan 23 00:33
schestowitzMicrosoft is afraid of saying Linux kills itJan 23 00:42
schestowitzIt blamed "netbooks"Jan 23 00:42
schestowitzNobody forced Microsoft to sell Windows for just $5 to be put on these...Jan 23 00:42
schestowitzIt's because of Linux that it has no choice but to do this. With EDGI likewise.......Jan 23 00:43
schestowitzhttp://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/... "Janis Krums was heading to New Jersey on a ferry when he clicked a snapshot with his iPhone of US Airways Flight 1549 partially submerged in the Hudson River. He uploaded the picture to his Twitter account and then forgot about it as he assisted in the rescue of the plane's passengers."Jan 23 00:45
schestowitzhttp://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/mi... "What does BILL GATES have to say about all this??"Jan 23 00:46
schestowitzMicrosoft considers moving 30 percent of vendors off-site < http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/a... >Jan 23 00:47
schestowitzCensorship fanaticism at the Vole: http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2009/0... "Administrivia: moderation turned off in the near term - note that I will delete"Jan 23 00:54
schestowitzhttp://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/micros... "Just how many contractors who work for Microsoft will lose their jobs? Microsoft will not comment. But the tally is probably close to if not more than 5,000."Jan 23 00:55
schestowitzMore than initially reported. Maybe even 15,000 will lose their job, like Fuszilla first predictedJan 23 00:55
schestowitz*FudzillaJan 23 00:55
schestowitzMicrosoft's buddies blame Vista: http://www.cnet.com/8301-13846_1-10148166-62.htm... (Gartner: Blame Vista for Microsoft layoffs)Jan 23 00:57
schestowitzThe Cost of Fearing Strangers < http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01... >Jan 23 01:04
schestowitzObamaism.. http://miserableswine.com/2009/01/22/a...Jan 23 01:07
schestowitzCites BoycottNovellJan 23 01:07
schestowitz"Note the avoidance of the "L" word, "Linux"--ed." http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn... Yes, Microsoft blames "netbooks", not that 'thing' that runs on them and leads Microsoft to dumpingJan 23 01:22
schestowitzhttp://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Microsoft_plann... "Microsoft doesn't report publicly the number of contractors who work for the company through job agencies." So it does not disclose its AstroTurfing activities, either (we have some of them showing up in BN).Jan 23 01:39
schestowitzObama's Mac-savvy team lands in Microsoft hell at White House < http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Obamas_... >Jan 23 01:40
*Omar87 has quit ("Leaving.")Jan 23 01:47
schestowitzhttp://english.ohmynews.com/ArticleView/arti... "Asustek Chairman Jonney Shih has predicted that about 60 percent of Eee PCs to be shipped in 2009 will have Windows XP."Jan 23 02:05
schestowitz40% for GNU/Linux in 2009 then..Jan 23 02:06
*kapipi has quit (Remote closed the connection)Jan 23 02:11
schestowitzhttp://www.fsf.org/events/20090122troy "2009-01-22 from  17:00 to  19:00"Jan 23 02:16
schestowitzhttp://www.itwire.com/content/view/22816/1090/ "Most of the Sugar code is released under the GPL version 2 with little bits being under GPLv3."Jan 23 02:34
schestowitzOne of the Microsoft Moles is again flogging Windows 7ap0rware... all the usual suspects a-humming.Jan 23 02:34
schestowitzhttp://www.olpcnews.com/software/suga...Jan 23 02:35
schestowitzhttp://linux-hardcore.com/index.php?... "Can you believe that somebody has even posted a screenshot tour on Digg............. even though the only difference from 8.10 is the wallpaper."Jan 23 02:37
balzacI've got a good old friend whose dad works at M$Jan 23 02:47
schestowitzIs that a good thing?Jan 23 02:48
balzacI should have a conversation with him sometime about software licensingJan 23 02:48
balzacwell, I figure Microsoft is going to change one way or the other. It'll be the hard way, not the easy way.Jan 23 02:48
schestowitzWeb-based...Jan 23 02:49
schestowitzBut that's like a hippo trying to be a zebraJan 23 02:49
balzacThey'll have to be more service-oriented and accept the new software landscapeJan 23 02:49
balzacwell they're not going away, but they are going to shrink and look something like IBM after they fell off their pedestalJan 23 02:49
schestowitzYesJan 23 02:50
schestowitzThere will be more layoffs I reckonJan 23 02:50
balzacThey'll have to accept that their legacy of innovation is mostly all garbage. Their best program is excel.Jan 23 02:50
schestowitz10,000+ so far perhapsJan 23 02:50
balzacthe rest is trash.Jan 23 02:50
balzacyeahJan 23 02:50
balzacOk, to be fair, M$ has bought a few innovative companies along the wayJan 23 02:50
schestowitzI've dug up this gem: http://www.mercurynews.com/newsspeci...Jan 23 02:50
schestowitz"Just how many contractors who work for Microsoft will lose their jobs? Microsoft will not comment. But the tally is probably close to if not more than 5,000."Jan 23 02:51
balzacbut who wants their standards-renegging trash-ware?Jan 23 02:51
schestowitzhttp://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/micro...Jan 23 02:51
schestowitzWant?Jan 23 02:51
schestowitzNobody wants.Jan 23 02:51
schestowitzMicrosoft tends to force peopleJan 23 02:51
balzacthey could release some driver C code maybe.Jan 23 02:51
schestowitzThey receive attahments.Jan 23 02:51
balzacyeahJan 23 02:51
schestowitzOr landf on HackTiveHacks sites that say they must use WIn+IEJan 23 02:52
balzacIt's mostly all a big trash-heap of lame software.Jan 23 02:52
balzacExcel is still the best at what it does.Jan 23 02:52
schestowitzIt had brandingJan 23 02:52
balzacwhat else is good?Jan 23 02:52
schestowitzVista injured the brandJan 23 02:52
schestowitzSo try to call it Vista 7 ;-)Jan 23 02:52
schestowitzOr BetaVista 7Jan 23 02:52
balzacThat photo-panorama softwareJan 23 02:52
schestowitzIt's Vista... and it's BETA... againJan 23 02:52
schestowitzThat photo sofwtare is LinuxJan 23 02:53
balzacIt's Vista, product-recall editionJan 23 02:53
schestowitzIt WAS, originallyJan 23 02:53
schestowitzPhotoSynth.Jan 23 02:53
schestowitzIt ran on UbuntuJan 23 02:53
schestowitzMicrosoft stole it from LinuxJan 23 02:53
balzacright, they acquired it, they didn't make it.Jan 23 02:53
schestowitzI wrote about it in BNJan 23 02:53
balzacyeah, so I figure they need to basically let all their legacy trash-code go onto the trash-heap of historyJan 23 02:53
balzaclike apple let go of OS9 and belowJan 23 02:54
balzactheir OS is just trashJan 23 02:54
schestowitz"Usually Microsoft doesn't develop products, we buy products. It's not a bad product, but bits and pieces are missing." --Arno Edelmann, Microsoft's European business security product managerJan 23 02:54
balzac*nix is superiorJan 23 02:54
balzacThey'll have years ahead of them of "eating their own dogfood", supporting their legacy crapJan 23 02:54
schestowitzThey can'tJan 23 02:55
balzacbut they'll have to deal with the fact they've been left behindJan 23 02:55
schestowitzIt won't last for longJan 23 02:55
schestowitzThey lose their fight against critical massJan 23 02:55
schestowitzWhy do you think their profit fell by double-digit %?Jan 23 02:55
schestowitzThey dumped against GNU/LinuxJan 23 02:55
schestowitzEDGI, $5 WIndow XP for "netbooks"...Jan 23 02:55
balzacrightJan 23 02:55
balzacEDGI = what?Jan 23 02:56
schestowitzYou don't know?Jan 23 02:56
schestowitzI thought you read FSDJan 23 02:56
balzacEmbrace ...Jan 23 02:56
schestowitzHold on.Jan 23 02:56
schestowitzYou must catch up with this.Jan 23 02:56
schestowitzIt's a long series: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/16/edg...Jan 23 02:57
balzacwell, I read the most sensational headlines regarding M$. I spend most of my time reading things I can use. I have a lot of learning to do to become a competent sysadminJan 23 02:57
schestowitzThis is the last part, many links at the top to previous part. Pass on to inform people. It made the front page of Slashdot too (about 15 GB of traffic)Jan 23 02:57
balzacokJan 23 02:57
schestowitzWe might make front page of Digg in the morning.Jan 23 02:58
schestowitzhttp://digg.com/linux_unix/Microsoft_Tas...Jan 23 02:58
balzacAbout time.Jan 23 02:58
balzacYou guys drew a line in the sand and stuck to it. It's going to be nice when Novell collapses.Jan 23 02:59
schestowitzIt happens once ina  few months... same with /.Jan 23 02:59
schestowitzSmid talked about Novell reductionsJan 23 02:59
schestowitzHe jumped ship some weeks agoJan 23 02:59
schestowitzSo, you know...........Jan 23 02:59
balzacsweetJan 23 02:59
balzacThat's one reason I love to read BN - hearing the dire news of Microsoft's troubles.Jan 23 03:00
balzacIt will be quite satisfying to watch their archaic business model finally collapse onto it's selfJan 23 03:01
balzacBill Gates talked too much trash about the GPLJan 23 03:01
balzacNow he's going to watch GPL-licensed software destroy their company like tide dissolving a sand castle.Jan 23 03:02
balzacI've got to reload my browserJan 23 03:02
balzacI have driver issues on my eee pcJan 23 03:02
balzacalso, brb, got to go out for a fewJan 23 03:02
*schestowitz got distratcdedJan 23 03:03
schestowitzMicrosoft's troubles are having journos scaredJan 23 03:03
schestowitzThey can't cover it properlyJan 23 03:03
schestowitzI wrote about this in the morningJan 23 03:04
schestowitz.They try getting reporters sackedJan 23 03:04
schestowitzSay the truth about their financials and be called names in Web forumsJan 23 03:04
schestowitzYou might also have them allege that you're transgendered or something if you say too many things that are true and they can't counter because it's embarrassing truthJan 23 03:04
schestowitzGates Foundation is just one among many examples that make taboosJan 23 03:05
balzacThat's good news.Jan 23 03:19
balzacMicrosoftie tears are crisp, sweet and satisfying.Jan 23 03:19
balzacOk, now I need to read about this EDGIJan 23 03:19
schestowitzLet me know what you thinkJan 23 03:20
schestowitzIt's over 100 pages if you go deepJan 23 03:20
schestowitzI had the (dis)pleasure of processing the whole thing... quite a projectJan 23 03:20
balzacSheeshJan 23 03:20
balzacA good friend of mine is a corporate lawyer. He has to deal with piles of paper.Jan 23 03:21
balzacI couldn't face it without adderolJan 23 03:21
schestowitzPaper is badJan 23 03:23
schestowitzPaging tooJan 23 03:23
schestowitzIf you have something like Wikipedia, then you work fast without pagination.Jan 23 03:23
schestowitzGlossary and all that arcane stuff is out the door..Jan 23 03:23
balzacedgi is their coordinated dumping strategy, combined with bribing and arm-twisting of public officials?Jan 23 03:29
balzacwhat does the acronym stand for?Jan 23 03:29
schestowitzIt has several acronymsJan 23 03:30
schestowitzSee the first pareJan 23 03:30
schestowitz*partJan 23 03:30
schestowitzIt's also known to THE PUBLIC as "Unlimited Potential", though that's a superset in some sorts of waysJan 23 03:30
schestowitzOr a new identity that's a marketing thing, not a predatory business schemeJan 23 03:30
balzacI was contracting at this financial services company in manhattanJan 23 03:34
balzacThere was this guy going on and on about CitrixJan 23 03:34
balzacI said it was an abomination to run *nix operating system as a VM on top of windowsJan 23 03:35
balzacMicrosoft is poisoning the Xen virtualization software as weJan 23 03:35
balzacwellJan 23 03:35
balzacI think citrix bought xen or something. MS is invested heavily in CitrixJan 23 03:35
balzacI'm looking to make some bread from brokering software roll-outs for financial services companies.Jan 23 03:36
balzacI think I'll get RedHat certification to help my credibility in that area.Jan 23 03:36
balzacSince the NYSE Global Trading Platform will run on RedHat, that's something serious to brag abuot.Jan 23 03:37
balzacaboutJan 23 03:37
balzacWhere are you located, BTW?Jan 23 03:37
balzacEducation and Government Incentives [EDGI] programJan 23 03:39
balzacI get it now, it's their strategy of bribing public officials to place M$ into schools and governments.Jan 23 03:40
balzacand dumpingJan 23 03:40
balzacThey want to get at the captive audience of school kids and government contractsJan 23 03:40
schestowitzI know (abotu Xen)Jan 23 03:41
schestowitzIt was supposed to ruin Xen... you know the XenSource story?Jan 23 03:41
balzaconly a littleJan 23 03:41
schestowitzThey had an investment from what seems like an MS proxy.Jan 23 03:41
schestowitzThen a Microsoft General Manager took some chargeJan 23 03:41
balzacfill me in because I'm going to be using your opposition research as a consultantJan 23 03:41
schestowitzThey moved near to MS (Seattle) and then swallowed by Microsoft's bribeJan 23 03:42
schestowitzRed Hat needed to buy KVMJan 23 03:42
schestowitzbalzac: I'm in the UKJan 23 03:42
balzacOkJan 23 03:42
schestowitzEDGI = sentimental blackmailJan 23 03:43
schestowitzIn /some/ sense.Jan 23 03:43
schestowitz"help us help your children.. with cigs"Jan 23 03:43
balzachehehJan 23 03:43
balzacHow's the PhD program going?Jan 23 03:45
schestowitzI need to make a pictureJan 23 03:45
schestowitzA kid with smoke in his face.Jan 23 03:45
schestowitzSaying something like "I need to get out for another Windows"Jan 23 03:46
schestowitzhttp://schestowitz.com/Weblog/ar...Jan 23 03:46
balzacI'd compare Microsoft software with Soviet RussiaJan 23 03:46
balzacSo big, cumbersome and archaic.Jan 23 03:46
balzactotalitarian, centralized, oppressive, stifling innovation and freedom.Jan 23 03:47
schestowitzChina?Jan 23 03:47
balzacWell, China, sadly has been embracing M$ like almost no other country.Jan 23 03:48
balzacI think there are a couple reasons for thisJan 23 03:48
balzacIndia is more literate in EnglishJan 23 03:48
balzacAlso, China relies on strong centralized control and M$ supports that.Jan 23 03:49
schestowitzChina wants its own OS nowJan 23 03:49
schestowitzBillie does politics full time now thoughJan 23 03:49
balzacBut Soviet Russia is a good comparison because it signals the imminent collapse and the non-sustainable business model of M$Jan 23 03:49
schestowitzHe went to China to market Windows to the communist government right after his 'retirement'Jan 23 03:49
schestowitzDoes that make Ballmer Stalin?Jan 23 03:50
balzacYou know, I thought the only way M$ could continue is from being subsidized by a totalitarian government. Software as a tool of oppression.Jan 23 03:50
schestowitzWTF?? http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=8716Jan 23 03:51
balzacIf M$ is not solvent in the "free world" or western countries, maybe M$ can be subsidized by totalitarian governments like China in order to lock down any software-driven social movements.Jan 23 03:51
schestowitzhttp://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=8332Jan 23 03:52
schestowitzThat's the one I looked forJan 23 03:52
balzacI wrote on Change.gov that the Obama administration should be thankful for free software for driving the online social phenomena which were at the heart of his online campaign.Jan 23 03:52
schestowitzHe won't read itJan 23 03:53
schestowitzHe's too busy memorising speechesJan 23 03:53
balzacwell, I was needling his IT staffJan 23 03:54
schestowitzYou know how change.org works...Jan 23 03:54
balzacI was asking "where's the source code?" What software is this? Why is it such a nuiscance to deep-link to my own comments?Jan 23 03:54
balzacprobably not so differently from moveon.orgJan 23 03:55
balzacor dailykos.comJan 23 03:55
balzaccentrally-controlled grassrootsJan 23 03:55
balzacI've got something interesting for you to ponder, a little story to shareJan 23 03:55
balzacI'll keep it succinctJan 23 03:55
schestowitzIf {{application.Role!="CEO"} || {company_size_ppl<1000000}} >> /dev/null/Jan 23 03:55
balzaclooks like shell scriptJan 23 03:56
schestowitzYeah, I mixed someJan 23 03:56
balzacok, DailyKos.comJan 23 03:56
schestowitzI know itJan 23 03:56
balzacyou know about it, Markos Moulitsas?Jan 23 03:56
schestowitzI posted interviews with the founder i BNJan 23 03:56
schestowitzYesJan 23 03:56
balzacwell, I used to be about as prolific a blogger as you, but I was focused on impeaching BushJan 23 03:57
balzacI got banned 25 times from DailyKos.comJan 23 03:57
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/ind...Jan 23 03:57
schestowitzBut DailyKos is /against/ Bush.Jan 23 03:57
balzacyes, but not quiteJan 23 03:58
balzacmarkos was always against impeachmentJan 23 03:58
balzacso in that sense, he was for BushJan 23 03:58
balzacalso, he applied for work with the CIAJan 23 03:59
balzacso how did it fall in his lap?Jan 23 03:59
schestowitzHe was in the armyJan 23 03:59
balzacit didn't, members of congress appointed Markos as our dictator, in the sense the Roman senate would appoint a dictator to an occupied regionJan 23 03:59
balzacbut it's not like they took a vote, but they voted with their participationJan 23 04:00
balzacthey gave dailykos the nearly exclusive access to their bloggingJan 23 04:00
balzacif you wanted online contact with your democratic representative, it could only really come through dailykosJan 23 04:00
balzaceventually, HuffingtonPost started getting some members of congress blogging thereJan 23 04:01
balzacBut Kos had Kennedy, Kerry, Clinton, Obama once or twice,Jan 23 04:01
balzacthere's a very long list of democratic congressmen who blogged on DailyKosJan 23 04:02
balzacso they gave markos that power to be the gate-keeperJan 23 04:02
balzacIt's ironic, his book was "crashing the gates" but he really was our appointed gate-keeperJan 23 04:02
balzache didn't crash sh!tJan 23 04:02
balzachis was not the first installation of Scoop to be used as a political forumJan 23 04:03
balzacthat was another blog by Jerome Armstrong, I think. It's called MyDDJan 23 04:03
schestowitzI heard of itJan 23 04:03
schestowitzI know just his own takeJan 23 04:03
schestowitzNot the criticsJan 23 04:03
balzacso, it reminds me a hell of a lot of how Linus Torvalds usurped the GNU project with his Linux Kernel projectJan 23 04:04
balzacLinus is ok with DRMJan 23 04:04
balzacLinus' little project gained the support of big companies which made him our appointed leader in a wayJan 23 04:04
balzacjust as Markos' little project gained the support of all these members of congress which appointed him to dictate to usJan 23 04:05
balzacKucinich was left out in the coldJan 23 04:05
balzacKos would always bash KucinichJan 23 04:05
schestowitzYes.Jan 23 04:05
balzacin the same manner Linus Torvalds would bash RMSJan 23 04:05
schestowitzLinus had no beardJan 23 04:05
schestowitzSo GNU was suddenly OKJan 23 04:05
schestowitzThey groomed him and his name (Linus with an X)Jan 23 04:06
schestowitzIBM can't have a front man who says that Bush should be sentenced to prisonJan 23 04:06
balzacand all these corporations knew they had a "yes" man in Torvalds, so that project got all the support while the HURD languishedJan 23 04:06
balzaclikewise, the congressional weasels knew they had a yes man in Markos Moulitsas, so they made his site the portal for online access to members of congress.Jan 23 04:07
balzacOk, so there's another interesting connectionJan 23 04:07
balzacFormer governor of Vermont...Jan 23 04:07
balzacwhat's his name...Jan 23 04:07
balzacHoward DeanJan 23 04:08
balzache set up a platform based on Drupal for political organizersJan 23 04:08
balzacIt's called Civic SpaceJan 23 04:08
balzacDrupal is run by Dries BuytaertJan 23 04:09
balzacThat was spawned from the forum for Linux Kernel developers, KernelTrap.orgJan 23 04:09
schestowitzDrupal?Jan 23 04:10
balzacSo you can see some indirect social contact - Markos - Howard Dean - Buytaert - TorvaldsJan 23 04:10
balzacDrupal is the strongest PHP CMS. I use it every day.Jan 23 04:10
balzacGPLv2 licenseJan 23 04:10
schestowitzWordPress is bigger for blogging/CMS to an extentJan 23 04:10
balzacIt's not bigger for the biggest projectsJan 23 04:10
balzacWordPress and Joomla might be installed more, but that's because they're simpler and less powerful.Jan 23 04:11
balzacDrupal has the center of gravity of serious developers. It's the best general-integration platform.Jan 23 04:11
balzacAnyway, Scoop used to be the best User Moderated Forum softwareJan 23 04:12
balzacit was based on Slashcode, I thinkJan 23 04:12
balzacbased on SlashdotJan 23 04:12
balzacBut markos put the Scoop devs on his payroll and kept all the improvements to Scoop for his private version of ScoopJan 23 04:12
schestowitzOh, that's dead..Jan 23 04:12
schestowitzSourceForge etc.Jan 23 04:12
balzacand he solicited piles of money to do thatJan 23 04:12
schestowitzWaning I thinkJan 23 04:13
balzacyeah, and he never gave anything back to ScoopJan 23 04:13
schestowitzNot traffic-wise... but it has competitionJan 23 04:13
balzacScoop is way deadJan 23 04:13
balzacthe only decent version of Scoop is DailyKosJan 23 04:13
balzacand it's probably a crufty mess at this pointJan 23 04:13
schestowitzI know he spoke about it in the interviewJan 23 04:13
balzacSo Markos announces he's going to release the ultimate blogging platform in the world, DailyKos 4.0Jan 23 04:13
schestowitzBN is still growingJan 23 04:13
schestowitzAlmost doubled this month (month2month)Jan 23 04:14
balzacwait, which interview?Jan 23 04:14
schestowitzI showed you linksJan 23 04:14
schestowitzTo Oggss......Jan 23 04:14
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/inde...Jan 23 04:14
balzacyeah, I scanned them but my stinkin eee PC chokes sometimesJan 23 04:14
balzacmarkos is being interviewed>Jan 23 04:15
balzac?Jan 23 04:15
schestowitzYesJan 23 04:15
schestowitzChristian interview himJan 23 04:15
schestowitzHe mentioned this interview to me some months ago... I can't recall the contextJan 23 04:16
balzacOk, what is the title?Jan 23 04:16
balzacMarkos mentioned you?Jan 23 04:16
balzacI'm trying to find it because I want to read it.Jan 23 04:17
balzacAnyway, Markos doesn't get free software, he's a tool.Jan 23 04:17
balzache's a "hoarder" who has "piles of money" but no credibility in the free software community.Jan 23 04:17
schestowitzNo, he doesn't know me.Jan 23 04:18
schestowitzTrue, he doesn't get FOSSJan 23 04:19
balzacOk, I'm still trying to find which of those search results contains the interviewJan 23 04:19
schestowitzHe says something about this in the interviewJan 23 04:19
schestowitzTo him it's just a tool.Jan 23 04:19
schestowitzHow does he get funded to blog?Jan 23 04:19
schestowitzJust advertising? I very much doubt itJan 23 04:19
schestowitzBN has a 'revenue' of $50 that goes in part to the hostJan 23 04:20
balzacHe could be getting money on the side, but don't doubt that his ad-income is substantial.Jan 23 04:20
balzacno man, he gets orders of magnitude more traffic than BNJan 23 04:20
balzacespecially during election cyclesJan 23 04:20
balzacthe dude is a made man. Piles of money.Jan 23 04:21
balzacalso, his enforcers on his website are political hacksJan 23 04:22
balzaclike the chief of staff of a governor, for instance - one of the biggest assholes on the site who would brow-beat impeachment campaignersJan 23 04:22
balzacthey get paid tooJan 23 04:23
schestowitzI can imagine...Jan 23 04:23
balzacanyway, so you have RMS backing KucinichJan 23 04:23
schestowitzBut he doesn't seem like a bad guy.Jan 23 04:23
balzacyou have Kos backing anyone but KucinichJan 23 04:23
schestowitzPoliticians areJan 23 04:23
balzacKos is a prick, he's not Darth Vader, he's not Satan, but he is a prick.Jan 23 04:24
balzacHis guys went after me in some very nasty ways.Jan 23 04:24
schestowitzHow so?Jan 23 04:25
balzacAnyway, that's my tale on how the free software community, open source business alliance, and the online democratic political fund-raising free-speech zones are related.Jan 23 04:25
schestowitzCan't be literally... O'Gara style.Jan 23 04:25
balzacYou'd have to read how he writes about KucinichJan 23 04:26
balzacIt's the same disdainful attitude of Linus Torvalds towards RMSJan 23 04:26
balzaconly more overtly hostileJan 23 04:26
balzacKucinich, the only guy to really stand up for impeachment, and Kos treated him with no respect at all.Jan 23 04:26
balzacKos was most definitely not "Crashing the Gates", he was reinforcing the gates.Jan 23 04:27
schestowitzJail gate?Jan 23 04:27
schestowitzAs in bars?Jan 23 04:27
balzacCrashing the Gates is the title of his book about online political organizing.Jan 23 04:28
balzacas if he's not part of the media establishmentJan 23 04:28
balzacHe got a freaking deal to write for newsweekJan 23 04:28
balzacand all these members of congress not only show up to his website, but they show up in person to his political conferences.Jan 23 04:29
balzacused to be called Yearly Kos, now it's called "Netroots Nation".Jan 23 04:29
balzacAnyway, you know what it's like to have Microsoft's and Novell's people go after you like tanya harding, whacking at your knee-capsJan 23 04:30
balzacI know what that's like tooJan 23 04:30
schestowitzOhJan 23 04:30
schestowitzLessig keynoted itJan 23 04:30
balzacAll I did was stick to my guns on impeaching Bush for being a war criminal and I was slandered and verbally abused to an incredible extent on DailyKos.comJan 23 04:30
schestowitzTanya Harding?Jan 23 04:31
balzacShe's the skater who had a big henchman whack Nancy Kerrigan in the knee with a metal bar during the olympicsJan 23 04:31
balzacclassicJan 23 04:31
balzacso I'm saying when you've got character-assassins who try to hobble you for standing up for something, that's my analogyJan 23 04:32
schestowitzI was never abused physicallyJan 23 04:32
balzacmetaphorJan 23 04:32
schestowitzJust verbally, using lots of libelJan 23 04:32
balzacMe tooJan 23 04:32
schestowitzMost people are not stupid enough to believe itJan 23 04:33
schestowitzBut you never know about those who might cling on to lieJan 23 04:33
schestowitzI've seen some of thisJan 23 04:33
schestowitzLike people spreading rumours about me being a senile or something.Jan 23 04:33
balzacLots of people are not nearly paranoid enough to discriminate between you and your critics.Jan 23 04:33
schestowitzOr was it autistic.*LOL*Jan 23 04:33
balzacUntil you've gone and pitted yourself against a really big, well-monied, corrupt, bureaucracy or corporation, you're going to be quite naive about the level of coordinated smear-attacks you'll suffer.Jan 23 04:35
balzacMost people have not had that "rite of passage" as an activist, so they'll really think you're just a paranoid guy with bad social skills.Jan 23 04:36
schestowitzRMS has the same issueJan 23 04:38
balzacYeah, Kucinich tooJan 23 04:38
schestowitzLinus... not so much... he's conformistJan 23 04:38
balzacWell, he's not any kind of activist. He's politically inert, like Markos.Jan 23 04:38
schestowitzObedience keeps his relatively safe from mad stalkersJan 23 04:38
balzacHe's just sitting there, stifling progress, collecting money, criticizing the real guy, basking in the lime-light, while riding the real guy's coat tails.Jan 23 04:39
balzacKos and TorvaldsJan 23 04:39
balzacI reserve judgment on Dries Buyteart because he's younger, and he said "free software" in the forward of some book about Drupal, not "open source".Jan 23 04:40
balzacBut I really got tired of Torvalds constantly ripping on RMS because it's exactly the same as Markos Moulitsas always disrespecting Kucinich.Jan 23 04:41
balzacIt's not all black and whiteJan 23 04:41
balzacI'm not a judgemental person, but I know when there's reason to resist some bullshit artist, not just out of principles but also out of personal financial interest.Jan 23 04:42
balzacI'll be damned if I'm not going to get my slice of the pie.Jan 23 04:42
schestowitzDries is OKJan 23 04:43
schestowitzDon't bring him into this group (LinusKos) :-)Jan 23 04:44
balzacI think so too. He's a nice guy, and all that.Jan 23 04:44
balzacI'm not, I wrote congratulations on his blog for his 8 years of Drupal.Jan 23 04:44
schestowitz"Do as I say but not too much"Jan 23 04:44
schestowitzLinus about RMSJan 23 04:44
schestowitzOr Kos and those who want real justice re: BushJan 23 04:44
balzacBut Torvalds and Kos aren't exactly terrible people either, they're just not in any position to be disrespecting the elder statesmen activists.Jan 23 04:45
schestowitzYesJan 23 04:45
balzacPlus, by defending the real visionary, I'm taking position myself, with personal interest.Jan 23 04:45
balzacIt's crucial, I think, in order to be taken seriously, not to be too much of a renunciate. I want to be financially successful. I think it also strengthens my credibility.Jan 23 04:46
balzacso I'm  a vocal critic of "open source" and an advocate of Free Software and GNU, not just ideologically, but as an entrepreneur.Jan 23 04:47
balzacBut I'm pragmatic enough to push sales of a mixed-source product like RedHat because it's a hell of a lot better than Novell.Jan 23 04:48
schestowitzOpen Source is /whose/? ESR? Perens? ORLY?Jan 23 04:48
balzacThey're all guys who don't think as clearly as RMS.Jan 23 04:48
schestowitzThey swap names, then garner controlJan 23 04:48
schestowitzEEEJan 23 04:48
schestowitzBut not from MicrosoftJan 23 04:49
balzacWell, Perens backed off of Open Source. He's cooler than ESR.Jan 23 04:49
balzacO'Rielly is half-serious, considering the way most of his books are licensed.Jan 23 04:49
balzacpublishing ESR's screed, CATB, as if it were worth a crap - that shows how aware O'Reilly is of free software principles and history.Jan 23 04:50
balzacI like O'Reilly though because he appreciates this really cool Sufi singer whom I also am a fan.Jan 23 04:50
balzacAnyway, they're all just guys and I'm not on some high-horse of judgment, but I see opportunity in being a bit more thoughtful and respectful of the real innovators.Jan 23 04:51
balzacRMS is greatly undervalued by the "open source" community, especially considering that 60% of the so-called "open source" software is GPL-licensed.Jan 23 04:52
schestowitzor those who sacrificed.Jan 23 04:52
balzacyeahJan 23 04:52
balzacIt's ridiculous that the FSF goes along on a shoe-string budget while Google owns an air-strip and is practically building a navy. jkJan 23 04:53
schestowitzYou mention Linus a lot of not MicrosofticazaJan 23 04:53
balzacGoogle's floating data-centers, Mark Shuttleworth's space-tourism, RMS flying coach.Jan 23 04:54
balzacIcaza is a peckerwoodJan 23 04:54
balzache's very sneakyJan 23 04:55
balzacYou can lump him together with Torvalds and Markos Moulitsas.Jan 23 04:55
schestowitzBlechJan 23 04:56
balzacWell, there are people of all kinds, varying degrees of mental coherence. Some people just have more cognitive dissonance and they don't see the irony of their ridiculous ideas.Jan 23 04:56
schestowitzShuttleworthJan 23 04:56
schestowitzWow! The heroJan 23 04:56
schestowitzHe.. he... he flew to spaceJan 23 04:56
schestowitzWhat heroismJan 23 04:56
balzacShuttleworth - golden boy, like the Mavs owner.Jan 23 04:56
balzacWhat's his name, who owns the Mavericks?Jan 23 04:57
schestowitzHe's like a man given by God from another planet :-)Jan 23 04:57
balzacMark CubanJan 23 04:57
balzacyeah, well it's not hard to get a big ego when you've become disproportionately successful and you're surrounded by sycophantsJan 23 04:57
balzacIt's a phenomenon of group-psychology. I've made diagrams of egoists and sycophants to capture my theories on social psychology and narcissism.Jan 23 04:58
balzacI wouldn't mind becoming one of them, but at least I'll be really self-conscious of the psychology behind it. It distorts your point of view if you're not well aware of what's happening.Jan 23 05:00
schestowitzDiagrams like that remind me of UnabomberJan 23 05:00
balzacI would be. I'm not going to presume my success as an entrepreneur. I can barely convince people to pay me more than $20/hr.Jan 23 05:01
balzachow so?Jan 23 05:01
schestowitzDiagram here: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Industrial_...Jan 23 05:05
schestowitzThe guy creeps me out thoughJan 23 05:05
schestowitzIt's quite interesting though. "It is merely a matter of attitude whether you blame the advertising industry for manipulating the public or blame the public for allowing itself to be manipulated. As a matter of strategy one should generally avoid blaming the public."Jan 23 05:07
balzacThere's a lot to read there about the psychology of social activists vs establishment & status-quo defendersJan 23 05:07
balzacHe's right about that.Jan 23 05:08
balzacEvery time I hear someone say, regarding environmental catastrophe or war crimes - "it's everyone's fault. We're all responsible for this" - I say no! It's that guy's fault, and that guy!Jan 23 05:09
balzacbecause what's the use of not singling out the worst culprits?Jan 23 05:09
balzacdon't blame the public, blame the opinion-leaders, the elected and appointed officials, the wealthy, the influential.Jan 23 05:10
balzacThere's nothing to be gained from blaming the powerless public.Jan 23 05:10
balzacexcept to alienate yourself.Jan 23 05:10
schestowitzSoldiers who obery ordersJan 23 05:11
schestowitzI said it before... people are just a generation and a half away from nokeysJan 23 05:11
schestowitzWe're gullible and it's dangerousJan 23 05:11
balzacI say let most of those soldiers off the hook. Nail bush and cheney.Jan 23 05:11
schestowitzAnyway, it's 5AM here.Jan 23 05:11
schestowitzI'm off to bed before ti's lightJan 23 05:11
balzacrightJan 23 05:11
balzacThanks for chattingJan 23 05:12
balzacI hope we can talk business some time, or software, but I think we've covered politics pretty thoroughly.Jan 23 05:12
balzacIf you're ever in NYC, you're invited to join my friends and I at some strip clubs.Jan 23 05:13
balzacttyl RoyJan 23 05:14
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schestowitzMorning.Jan 23 10:53
schestowitzWindows kills.Jan 23 11:40
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/0... " The virus takes advantage of a known problem that is resolved through a Windows patch that wasn't installed because "the decision to disable automatic security updates was taken during Christmas week after PCs in an operating theatre were rebooted mid-surgery.""Jan 23 11:40
MinceR:)Jan 23 11:43
MinceRi disabled it when i was trying out coreavc and it took the movie out of fullscreen every 5 minutes because "DURR HURR REBOOT NOW"Jan 23 11:43
MinceRi've managed to install coreavc-for-linux sinceJan 23 11:43
schestowitzYou can't disable it in Vista.Jan 23 11:46
schestowitzWindows knows better than you.. and forces you to accept its judgment.Jan 23 11:46
MinceR:)Jan 23 11:47
schestowitz"Change" my arse! http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10148807-38.html?p...Jan 23 11:55
schestowitzNice... http://www.crunchbase.com/assets/images/...Jan 23 11:57
schestowitzLinux-based Jolicloud operating system for netbooksJan 23 11:57
schestowitzhttp://p10.hostingprod.com/@spyblog.org.uk/... (Counter Terrorism Act 2008 - "attempting to elicit information" and secret DNA sampling and data sharing etc. come into force on February 16th 2009)Jan 23 11:58
MinceRcute... too bad it's infected with malware such as skypeJan 23 11:59
schestowitzI saw that too.Jan 23 12:00
MinceRanyway, if it kills windows, it's goodJan 23 12:01
schestowitz*LOL* "Two-thirds use an "SQL database" but only 10% use a relational DBMS? Paul Krill, how about a refresher in computer science 101?" < http://www.infoworld.com/article/09/01/20/ope... >Jan 23 12:04
MinceRif onlyJan 23 12:05
MinceRsql is a horrorJan 23 12:05
schestowitzI should do a post on Apple's attack on LinuxJan 23 12:05
benJImanSQL is not relational.Jan 23 12:05
schestowitzSo all those hypocrites from LCA and such will open their eyesJan 23 12:05
schestowitzPeople in Linux conferences using MacsJan 23 12:07
schestowitzSutor also...... http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200...Jan 23 12:07
benJImanI'd be surprised if even 10% of people used relational databases.Jan 23 12:08
MinceRbenJIman: huh?Jan 23 12:09
benJImanMinceR: It is incompatible with relational theory for several reasons. Including the existance of "null", the fact that attribute-order is significant, the fact that duplicate rows are allowed, missing relational operators and other problems.Jan 23 12:12
MinceRyet it's based on relational theoryJan 23 12:14
MinceRand such DB-s are commonly called RDBMS-esJan 23 12:14
MinceRdo you know any "really relational" DB-s?Jan 23 12:15
benJImanMinceR: It's based on relational theory but things have been added and removed such that it is no longer compatible.Jan 23 12:26
MinceRby your definition, nobody uses relational databases :>Jan 23 12:26
benJImanThere are some toy dbmses that are relational. Mightyd and Re. lIngres is working on a real relational database too.Jan 23 12:26
MinceRwhat advantages do they expect from a stricter model?Jan 23 12:27
benJImanYou can use a relational subset of SQL, but there are still some problems with it that are impossible to workaround.Jan 23 12:27
benJImanMinceR: A lot of the query optimisations are not possible due to the ways sql breaks the relational model. Of course the biggest issue is data integrity and redundancy.Jan 23 12:28
MinceRicJan 23 12:28
benJImanI suggest reading some books/papers by Chris Date/Hugh Darwen if you want to know more.Jan 23 12:28
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oiaohm2I see apple got on radar.   People forget the apple netwon that existed before palm.Jan 23 12:58
schestowitzYesJan 23 13:00
schestowitzBut what's with use of patents to eliminate products?Jan 23 13:00
oiaohm2Apple normally does not eliminate products.Jan 23 13:05
schestowitzI can't think of examplesJan 23 13:05
schestowitzBut often enough, companies 'hire' a troll to remove competing productsJan 23 13:06
oiaohm2Freetype case.   With open source.  As long as opensource developers provided an option not to use patented code Apple would not attack project.Jan 23 13:06
oiaohm2Apple kinda just wants to be payed for there patent list.Jan 23 13:06
oiaohm2Most likely cause of Apple threating Palm was Palm thinking since it was not making an OS any more it did not have to pay patents.Jan 23 13:07
oiaohm2Apple is not in that great of a money location to not be paid for there patents.Jan 23 13:08
schestowitzThat's flawed logicJan 23 13:09
schestowitzThis isn't copycatting.Jan 23 13:09
schestowitzThey're wasting everybody's time and money. Ask TomTom's CEO..Jan 23 13:09
oiaohm2Not really.Jan 23 13:11
oiaohm2Its not like TomTom has had a licence with Apple like patent usage like Palm.Jan 23 13:12
oiaohm2Apple to Palm is just a open warning.Jan 23 13:12
MinceRpeople forget that (1) newton didn't have phone functionality and (2) crApple licensed handwriting recognition for it from palmJan 23 13:14
MinceRapple to palm is bullyingJan 23 13:14
MinceRand claiming innovation where they've done noneJan 23 13:15
oiaohm2Apple has always had the policy of protecting there patents.  Remember neither did palm have phone support at the time of newton either.Jan 23 13:15
MinceRoh, it's "protecting patents" now?Jan 23 13:15
MinceRremember that handspring introduced the pda/phone and handspring is palm now.Jan 23 13:16
oiaohm2There are interface design things that are apples MinceRJan 23 13:16
oiaohm2Apple just said don't infringe on them.Jan 23 13:16
MinceRapple keeps claiming gui innovation for stuff they've stolen from xerox and elsewhereJan 23 13:17
MinceRapple was caught trying to patent something someone else invented already.Jan 23 13:17
oiaohm2So has everyone else who has patents at some time.Jan 23 13:17
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MinceRhttp://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl...Jan 23 13:18
MinceRthe great innovatorsJan 23 13:18
oiaohm2Yes the true problem with patents sometimes you think your idea is unique and opps it was not.Jan 23 13:18
MinceRassuming they really didn't knowJan 23 13:19
MinceRwhich implies that apple didn't lieJan 23 13:19
MinceRbut apple keeps lying all the timeJan 23 13:19
schestowitzoiaohm2: Apple to Palm is extortonJan 23 13:20
schestowitz*ionJan 23 13:20
schestowitzSame as attack in ways, just verbal.Jan 23 13:20
MinceRthe patent system is obviously brokenJan 23 13:21
MinceRand is obviously going counter to its original inventionJan 23 13:21
oiaohm2Patent law is annoying stuff.   If you say that you will not defend you patents your patents are basically useless.   Even IBM states clearly that Open Souce may use there patents as long as there is nothing in the licence forbining IBM from using it.  Anyone else same kind of words apple used.Jan 23 13:22
MinceRwelcome to modern capitalism, where all the rules are subverted so instead of promoting competition, they promote monopolies.Jan 23 13:22
oiaohm2Patent Law forces the threat setup.Jan 23 13:22
MinceR"clearly stating" is not a patent license and not legally binding.Jan 23 13:23
oiaohm2Funny enough is it can be legally binding in some courts if you state wrong.Jan 23 13:24
oiaohm2Sorry the threat words apple used are basicaly boiler plate for notifying someone that there are patents in a area they have to be aware of.Jan 23 13:25
MinceR"there are patents" sounds like FUD.Jan 23 13:26
MinceRjust like a certain other company keeps doing nowadaysJan 23 13:26
oiaohm2Note Apple has a lot of patents for rendering fonts and the like to screen.Jan 23 13:26
MinceRwe'll just have to do without fonts on the screen, thenJan 23 13:27
MinceRobviously it's a great inventionJan 23 13:27
MinceRoh, wait, it isn'tJan 23 13:27
oiaohm2It taking the rough edges of fonts and making them look good.Jan 23 13:27
oiaohm2There are are a lot of other small avoidable patents like that.Jan 23 13:27
MinceRantialiasing? what a novel idea!Jan 23 13:28
oiaohm2Antialiasing with extra data in font to undo errors.Jan 23 13:29
MinceRyou mean hinting?Jan 23 13:29
oiaohm2Yep.Jan 23 13:29
oiaohm2Apple will most likely also hold some hardware patents.Jan 23 13:30
MinceRmost likely about things they didn't inventJan 23 13:30
MinceRas usualJan 23 13:30
oiaohm2Hinting they did invent.Jan 23 13:30
oiaohm2It was first done in there video cards by hardware.Jan 23 13:30
MinceRdoesn't the Bilski decision render that patent unenforceable anyway?Jan 23 13:30
oiaohm2Nop hardware patent these days emulated in software.Jan 23 13:31
oiaohm2So Bilski does not apply.Jan 23 13:31
oiaohm2That is what you have to be very careful with Apple over.   They have a lot of small kinda not important looking hardware patents.Jan 23 13:32
MinceRso all one needs to do to make a sw patent apply is also implement it in hardware?Jan 23 13:32
MinceRyeah, they're just like microsoft, trying to keep you from competing because they can't come up with quality products.Jan 23 13:32
oiaohm2Implement it in hardware first.  Patent that then convert to software.Jan 23 13:32
oiaohm2It applies in a lot of countries that don't have software patents that way.Jan 23 13:33
MinceRconverting an algorithm to hardware is probably trivial.Jan 23 13:33
oiaohm2Depends on the algorithm.  It be real hardware you cannot use a cpu or microprocess of any form to process it.Jan 23 13:34
oiaohm2Because if you use a cpu or microprocess it don't get the global reach.Jan 23 13:34
MinceRi could use a microcontrollerJan 23 13:36
oiaohm2If you use a microcontroller is a software patent.Jan 23 13:36
MinceRor i could generate a circuitJan 23 13:36
oiaohm2Yes it has to be a solid logic circuit.Jan 23 13:37
MinceRit would be wasteful but nobody caresJan 23 13:37
oiaohm2Also due to the complexity of doing solid logic circuits for complex things reason why they appear to be minor things.Jan 23 13:38
MinceRi don't have to do the entire thing in hw and it will already be bound to a specific hw, won't it?Jan 23 13:38
oiaohm2Basically the patents Apple are sitting on are far stronger than lot of the software patents MS sits on.  But area of coverage of apples is limited.Jan 23 13:39
oiaohm2Most of apples hardware patents can be designed around.Jan 23 13:39
oiaohm2Like freetype generating hinting on the fly.Jan 23 13:40
oiaohm2Instead of using hinting data embed in the font file covered by apples patent.Jan 23 13:40
oiaohm2Hardware patents are no where as global reaching as software patents either.Jan 23 13:40
MinceRsw patents disguised as hw patents, on the other hand...Jan 23 13:41
oiaohm2sw patents can have down right poor descriptions of opertations at times making them almost impossable to take another path.Jan 23 13:41
oiaohm2hw patents must have clean defined description of what it does.   So making finding another path simpler.Jan 23 13:42
oiaohm2ie hw patents are annoying don't step on them but not end of development like sw patents.   Apple basically saying to palm just don't step on them design your own ways around problems.Jan 23 13:44
oiaohm2Where someone with software patents would be saying you cannot design nothing that avoids my patents at times.Jan 23 13:44
oiaohm2Software patents are pure bad.   Hardware patents are more annoying than company destroying.Jan 23 13:45
schestowitzWhy is it ok for h/w in this case?Jan 23 13:47
schestowitzit just implments mathsJan 23 13:47
MinceRschestowitz: obviously, because it's from Holy Apple.Jan 23 13:48
oiaohm2Apple is not anglic.  Yes maths in circuit becomes hw patent.  Hw patents also cover silcon chip designs for like of doing cos and sin.   There are a few thousand different patents to do them.Jan 23 13:50
oiaohm2Hw patents are very much you cannot do it the same way.   But of you do it a different way get the same final result everything is legal.Jan 23 13:51
MinceRthat's how sw patents should work if at all.Jan 23 13:51
oiaohm2I don't really have a Issue with Hw patents.Jan 23 13:52
oiaohm2Sw patent rules are so crap its not funny.Jan 23 13:52
oiaohm2Its also the reason why when it comes to a court case over a Hw patent if you are infinging is normally worked out in one trial without question.Jan 23 13:53
oiaohm2Most hw patent breaches are settled out of court.  For the simple reason both parties can confirm the other is or is not in breach.Jan 23 13:54
oiaohm2The number of software patent cases really show a major problems in the rules.    You are lucky to see 1 hw patent case go to court every 5 years.Jan 23 13:56
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schestowitzMinceR: Holy Apple?Jan 23 14:05
schestowitzHoly cow.Jan 23 14:05
MinceR:)Jan 23 14:05
MinceRyou know, the guys who can get away with everythingJan 23 14:06
oiaohm2When you know the rules of hardware patents you really have to ask why software patents are need at all.Jan 23 14:06
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schestowitzoiaohm2: keep an eye on BNJan 23 14:06
schestowitzI have a long post coming with studies and new arguments on why patents are the s*Jan 23 14:06
MinceRoiaohm2: they're needed because some sw companies are unable to compete and they know itJan 23 14:06
MinceRso they're using sw patents to deny entry to the market.Jan 23 14:06
schestowitzTo give historical reference, these are just ways or handing in power to the richJan 23 14:06
MinceRwell, trying to, anyway.Jan 23 14:06
schestowitzIt's marketed differentlyJan 23 14:06
schestowitzMany things are marketed as "secuerity"Jan 23 14:07
schestowitzEven knowingly as means of deceitJan 23 14:07
MinceRyeah, like DRMJan 23 14:07
schestowitzLike "protecting" patentsJan 23 14:07
schestowitzYes, DRM tooJan 23 14:07
MinceRwhich apple and m$ still seem to be in love withJan 23 14:07
schestowitzIt's the same in politicsJan 23 14:07
oiaohm2DRM does have its places.Jan 23 14:07
schestowitzTo break off labour unions and suchJan 23 14:07
schestowitzAlways secueityJan 23 14:07
MinceRyeah, in the history booksJan 23 14:07
MinceRunder "bullets we have dodged"Jan 23 14:07
twitterI'm glad Apple is chest thumping patents.Jan 23 14:07
schestowitzTerrify people about the evil "pirates"Jan 23 14:07
schestowitzThen you can do anything about them.Jan 23 14:07
twitterWhen they lose, SW patents are over.Jan 23 14:08
oiaohm2Problem with DRM its being  placed were it does not realy suit.Jan 23 14:08
MinceRlike, in practice.Jan 23 14:08
oiaohm2SW patents are a threat to Apple as well.Jan 23 14:08
twitterThere's no good place for digital restrictions.Jan 23 14:08
schestowitzPirates of Silicon Valley, rememberJan 23 14:08
MinceR"good artists copy, great artists steal"Jan 23 14:08
MinceRremember?Jan 23 14:08

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IRC Proceedings: Monday, November 11, 2024
IRC logs for Monday, November 11, 2024
Free Software and Love of Nature
It's not a coincidence that many Free software activists are also lovers of nature
Windows and 'The Desktop' Floundering
Microsoft should be extremely worried
WordPress is Bad for the Planet (Even If Many Still Use It)
the costs nobody wishes to talk about
Gemini Links 11/11/2024: Closed Systems and Verify You Are Human To Continue
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Running Twitter at a Loss and Then Profiting From Trumpism
How very liberal of Jack Dorsey, the greedy "Liberal" who only prioritised money
Microsoft, Which Benefits From Donald Trump, is Normalising Donald Trump
Some people still wrongly believe that Microsoft is left-leaning
When You Upload Talks of Richard Stallman to Proprietary YouTube
Also: notice they work to abolish the word "whitelisted"
Free Software is Probably a Lot Healthier for You
Does Free software help people live longer and/or live better for longer?
Sweden: ChromeOS + GNU/Linux at 17%, an All-Time High
According to statCounter
Windows Collapsed to Only 12% of the Operating Systems Market in India, Says statCounter
Windows falls to 64% on desktops/laptops in India, dips to 12% overall
Links 11/11/2024: Mastodon Year 2 in Review, Freshworks Laying Off 13% of Staff
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[Video] Daniel Pocock Warning About Someone Like Elon Musk Buying and Misusing Twitter Almost 7 Years Ago
Daniel Pocock spoke about Facebook and Twitter while attending the UN Forum on Business and Human Rights in Geneva, Switzerland
[Meme] It Takes Only Words to Destroy Malicious People and Pathological Liars
Trying to silence us is foolish. Boasting about this in public is worse than foolish; it's a legal liability.
Dead Blog ('Hoisted By His Own Petard')
The saying "people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones" is also applicable here
Debian Voters Clearly Supportive of Richard Stallman (Founder of GNU/Linux), But Debian Leaders Keep Giving Voting Rights to Microsoft Staff
It can be seen that the pro-Stallman positions are dominant
WordPress is Unfit for Purpose in 2024
The Web itself changed a lot and the majority of Web traffic is pure junk
[Meme] Remember That Microsoft and Trump Already Have a "Targets List"
Microsoft loves Trump bailouts
Service Notice: IRC Downtimes RESOLVED
We believe we've solved this entirely (or hope so), but it may take another week to know for sure
Linux 'Not Inclusive' 6.12 (Trumpism Inside Linux Foundation Affirmed)
They can make a codename for this release: Linux 'Not Inclusive' 6.12
The Open Source Initiative (OSI) is Dead. Cause of Death: Microsoft Bribes.
At the core, Linux Foundation and OSI adopted lies as a business model
Joan Meyer correctly linked Gideon Cody raid on Marion County Record to Kristallnacht
Reprinted with permission from Daniel Pocock
Trans People Misused to Attack a Project or Developer Who Has Nothing to Do With Them
And why that truly hurts all trans people
Our 18+ Years of Freedom-Fighting
We always fight back
Gemini Links 11/11/2024: Men Losing Grip and "You're Relaxing Wrong"
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IRC Proceedings: Sunday, November 10, 2024
IRC logs for Sunday, November 10, 2024
Nobody Knows What's in Our Fridge! Wow, Spooky!
Freedom means you can also purchase things anonymously
Freedom Must Always Be Fought For (All the Time)
Ridicule of "freedom fighters" in the digital realm is typically orchestrated by dictators or wannabes.
Gemini Links 10/11/2024: Taking Jokes and Writing Dense Assembly
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Links 10/11/2024: Meaning of Life and iPhone ‘Inactivity Reboot’
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Links 10/11/2024: Microsoft Adds Surveillance to Notepad and Paint, TikTok Shutdown Order
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Gemini Links 10/11/2024: Scrawlspace and California
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Links 10/11/2024: Politics, Economics, and Ticketmaster Issues
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Linux Foundation: We've Shut Down the Mailing Lists and Fired Everyone at Linux.com So We Can Spend Money Buying Puff Pieces and Paying Clickfraud/Spammers
deeply rogue
The 'Other' Bruce... on Openwashing at OSI (and Not Bruce Perens, the OSI's Co-founder)
Openwashing people (connected to Microsoft) already do "open weights"
Gemini Links 10/11/2024: A Writer's Block, VIM Tips and Tricks
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IRC Proceedings: Saturday, November 09, 2024
IRC logs for Saturday, November 09, 2024
[Meme] Linux Foundation Cuts
money is spent by the million on highly dubious things
Politics Becoming Way Too 'Toxic'
'Toxic' political discourse ought to be covered, but reducing the toxicity of coverage itself (e.g. inaccurately covering things to incite "the left" and "the right") is still challenging
"Paperless Office" (Incompatible With the Law) as a Threat to Workers' Health at the EPO, Europe's Second-Largest Institution and Largest Patent Office
"Software Ergonomics need to be brought back to the agenda at a high level!"