| schestowitz | Aha! $10-laptop proves to be a damp squib < http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Hyde... > | Feb 04 15:01 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: this one is a vote short: http://www.fsdaily.com/Opposition/Quote_of_the_... | Feb 04 15:03 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, can you help me find that article on net applications biased statics? | Feb 04 15:06 |
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| trmanco | I can't find it, it was from 2004 IIRC | Feb 04 15:06 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmmmm.. the PR about Brazil's Linux deal was pulled | Feb 04 15:07 |
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| schestowitz | 2004?? | Feb 04 15:07 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: what did it say? | Feb 04 15:07 |
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| schestowitz | What I'd love to find out is who they work with, what pays for it, how they make profit from that | Feb 04 15:07 |
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| twitter | good morning. | Feb 04 15:07 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft had its former employees do baised surveys like that to attack Google | Feb 04 15:08 |
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| schestowitz | BN was cited by ComputerWorld, InformationWeek and more publication for discovering this | Feb 04 15:08 |
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| twitter | I missed that they called it "Wedgi" but that makes sense. They consider education and government the thin end of a wedge that drives everyone to buy their crap. | Feb 04 15:08 |
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| Eruaran | hello | Feb 04 15:08 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, it was a long article that stated that those stats where wrong, sort of a study | Feb 04 15:08 |
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| twitter | cool, it's about time someone called web stats for what they are. | Feb 04 15:09 |
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| schestowitz | netapplications.com/company.aspx | Feb 04 15:09 |
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| schestowitz | ASPX | Feb 04 15:09 |
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| schestowitz | What kind of company chooses ASP for hosting? | Feb 04 15:09 |
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| twitter | a partner | Feb 04 15:10 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: I saw one from Opera | Feb 04 15:10 |
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| Eruaran | you know all these articles that boosters write claiming W7 will kill Linux on netbooks and so on ? | Feb 04 15:10 |
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| trmanco | yes I found that one, but I'm talking about a different one | Feb 04 15:10 |
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| amarsh04 | thanks for the longsoon link schetowitz | Feb 04 15:10 |
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| Eruaran | as usual the gap between the propaganda and reality is massive | Feb 04 15:10 |
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| Eruaran | get a load of this | Feb 04 15:10 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.hitslink.com/ "- Jupiter Research" They link to Microsoft's mouthpieces here | Feb 04 15:11 |
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| trmanco | I also found this: http://mostly-linux.blogspot.com/2008/07/... | Feb 04 15:11 |
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| Eruaran | There will be 6 versions of W7 with 'starter' most likely to find its way onto netbooks | Feb 04 15:11 |
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| Eruaran | But thats not the punchline | Feb 04 15:11 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Feb 04 15:11 |
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| Eruaran | the punchline is 'starter's limitations | Feb 04 15:11 |
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| schestowitz | They lies about Vista7 | Feb 04 15:11 |
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| schestowitz | It's just a crap version | Feb 04 15:11 |
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| schestowitz | They used vapourwaew | Feb 04 15:11 |
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| Eruaran | "Windows 7 Starter (worldwide via OEM only): up to three concurrent applications, ability to join a Home Group, improved taskbar and JumpLists" | Feb 04 15:11 |
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| schestowitz | Ubuntu does more, no? ;-) | Feb 04 15:12 |
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| schestowitz | Heck, Windows Mobile does more :-) | Feb 04 15:12 |
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| twitter | Eruaran, the use of starter for netbooks is pretty much them throwing in the towel on the whole category. M$ is getting their ass kicked, | Feb 04 15:12 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: it's too fat | Feb 04 15:12 |
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| Eruaran | The retardation usually doesn't hit people straight away until you highlight, "up to three concurrent applications"... | Feb 04 15:12 |
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| Eruaran | people are already laughing at that | Feb 04 15:13 |
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| schestowitz | http://partners.netapplications.com/ | Feb 04 15:13 |
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| twitter | I think the retardation will hit them as soon as they turn the thing on. | Feb 04 15:13 |
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| Eruaran | heh | Feb 04 15:13 |
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| schestowitz | http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?u... " Windows Server 2003Microsoft-IIS/6.0 " | Feb 04 15:13 |
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| Eruaran | I couldn't believe it | Feb 04 15:13 |
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| schestowitz | What type of "Web" company chooses MS server? | Feb 04 15:13 |
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| Eruaran | can't run more than 3 apps at once ? | Feb 04 15:13 |
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| twitter | If the thing works at all, it's going to be slooooowwwwwww. After a few hours of web browsing, it will be useless. | Feb 04 15:13 |
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| Eruaran | I mean... the level of stupidity... mind boggling | Feb 04 15:13 |
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| Eruaran | They just GAVE netbooks over to Linux | Feb 04 15:14 |
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| twitter | Windows 7, everyone get out and push. http://www.austriantimes.at/ind... | Feb 04 15:14 |
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| Eruaran | And... No Aero either... so it will look crap compared to Linux distros | Feb 04 15:14 |
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| schestowitz | "Every time I post NetApplications data on this blog several of you go to great lengths to point out to me that it’s a flawed metric, especially when it comes to the market share for the browser Firefox. For one reason or another, NetApplications is wrong/bias/too US-centric/controlled by Microsoft* (delete as appropriate)." http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=2923 | Feb 04 15:15 |
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| Eruaran | Meanwhile... Over at Aaron Seigo's house, the P man is running KDE 4.2 at full tild on a classy little BenQ netbook (no, he's probably not, I just made up that scenario to make a point) | Feb 04 15:15 |
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| schestowitz | He misses the point | Feb 04 15:15 |
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| schestowitz | This has nothing to do with Firefox | Feb 04 15:15 |
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| schestowitz | Populations are not consistent browser- and OS-wise | Feb 04 15:16 |
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| schestowitz | Eruaran: not yet (re: netbooks) | Feb 04 15:16 |
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| schestowitz | Wait until vapourware -> mess | Feb 04 15:16 |
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| Eruaran | Firefox will have 22% of the browserspace soon | Feb 04 15:16 |
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| schestowitz | Vista was the Next Best Thing in early 2006 | Feb 04 15:16 |
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| Eruaran | yes | Feb 04 15:17 |
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| schestowitz | Even in early 2007 before the acrobats started dancing on buioldings that said "wow" | Feb 04 15:17 |
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| Eruaran | oh lol, wasnt that lame | Feb 04 15:17 |
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| schestowitz | Eruaran: Firefox has almost 2/3 in BN | Feb 04 15:17 |
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| trmanco | http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php | Feb 04 15:17 |
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| trmanco | Countries | Feb 04 15:17 |
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| trmanco | 1 United States 26.84% | Feb 04 15:17 |
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| trmanco | 2 Germany 6.16% | Feb 04 15:17 |
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| trmanco | 3 United Kingdom 4.55% | Feb 04 15:17 |
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| twitter | desperate nerd http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new... | Feb 04 15:18 |
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| Eruaran | schestowitz: yes but most of your readers are far too intelligent to be using IE ;) | Feb 04 15:18 |
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| trmanco | Server: Apache/2.2.3 (CentOS) | Feb 04 15:18 |
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| trmanco | X-Powered-By: PHP/5.1.6 | Feb 04 15:18 |
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| trmanco | at least they use a real OS | Feb 04 15:18 |
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| trmanco | and a real http server | Feb 04 15:18 |
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| Eruaran | I can imagine the clips that will hit utube | Feb 04 15:19 |
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| Eruaran | "Hi I'm Linux, and I can run more than 3 apps at once on your netbook. WOW!" | Feb 04 15:19 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.netapplications.com/company.aspx "Mike Sutton, ASP Software Services" | Feb 04 15:19 |
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| Eruaran | And to think the pundits believe Apple wont have anything to bash Microsoft with anymore | Feb 04 15:20 |
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| Eruaran | I can see it now | Feb 04 15:20 |
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| Eruaran | the usual get a mac ad | Feb 04 15:20 |
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| schestowitz | Can you help me get names of people in Net Applications? | Feb 04 15:20 |
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| schestowitz | I need to see if they came from Microsoft | Feb 04 15:20 |
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| schestowitz | Because the anti-Google Microsoft came from a company founder by former Microsoft manager | Feb 04 15:21 |
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| schestowitz | That's how scummy Microsoft is | Feb 04 15:21 |
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| schestowitz | So this Net App hing can just choose 'partners' in a certain population | Feb 04 15:21 |
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| Eruaran | hi Im a mac, and I'm a pc... Mac does a bunch of things at once and invites pc to join in but pc says, "sorry it will have to wait till I've finished typing this document... I'm running on a netbook and I can only run 3 applications at once" | Feb 04 15:21 |
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| Eruaran | Apple will have a field day with that sort of thing | Feb 04 15:22 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.netapplications.com/newsletter... "as much of our staff couldn't get the" | Feb 04 15:22 |
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| schestowitz | How can I find out who runs them? | Feb 04 15:22 |
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| schestowitz | Vincent Vizzaccaro | Feb 04 15:23 |
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| Eruaran | follow the sweaty armpits | Feb 04 15:23 |
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| schestowitz | Oh!!!! | Feb 04 15:23 |
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| schestowitz | haha! | Feb 04 15:23 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.linkedin.com/in/vizzav "Our Partners/Clients include Microsoft, Apple, Amazon/Alexa, Opera and ExactTarget. " | Feb 04 15:23 |
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| schestowitz | Clients: Apple, Microsoft. | Feb 04 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | I.e. Microsoft and Apple pay Net Application | Feb 04 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | *s | Feb 04 15:24 |
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| Eruaran | see... sweaty armpits | Feb 04 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | Domain name: netapplications.com | Feb 04 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | Administrative Contact: | Feb 04 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | Net-Applications.com | Feb 04 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | Phil Vizzaccaro (phil@netapplications.com) | Feb 04 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | +1.9493307910 | Feb 04 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | Fax: | Feb 04 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | 65 Enterprise | Feb 04 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | Aliso Viejo, CA 92656 | Feb 04 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | US | Feb 04 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | Technical Contact: | Feb 04 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | Net-Applications.com | Feb 04 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | Phil Vizzaccaro (phil@netapplications.com) | Feb 04 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | +1.9493307910 | Feb 04 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | Fax: | Feb 04 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | 65 Enterprise | Feb 04 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | Aliso Viejo, CA 92656 | Feb 04 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | US | Feb 04 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | Registrant Contact: | Feb 04 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | Net-Applications.com | Feb 04 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | Phil Vizzaccaro () | Feb 04 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | | Feb 04 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | Fax: | Feb 04 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | 65 Enterprise | Feb 04 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | Aliso Viejo, CA 92656 | Feb 04 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | US | Feb 04 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | Status: Locked | Feb 04 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | Name Servers: | Feb 04 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | ns3.toolshack.com | Feb 04 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | ns4.toolshack.com | Feb 04 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | | Feb 04 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | Creation date: 30 Aug 2001 18:12:00 | Feb 04 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | Expiration date: 30 Aug 2013 18:12:00 | Feb 04 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozcl... | Feb 04 15:27 |
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| trmanco | http://identi.ca/notice/2130832 | Feb 04 15:43 |
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| trmanco | :D | Feb 04 15:43 |
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| trmanco | in English http://identi.ca/notice/2130953 | Feb 04 15:45 |
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| schestowitz | http://digg.com/linux_unix/Microsoft_and... | Feb 04 15:48 |
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| trmanco | dugg | Feb 04 15:55 |
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| schestowitz | Big Lies, sponsored by... | Feb 04 15:56 |
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| zer0c00l | what lies schestowitz | Feb 04 15:57 |
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| zer0c00l | schestowitz:in my blog i am going to write about EDGI/Dreamspark as next post.. | Feb 04 15:58 |
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| zer0c00l | is it that lie “Linux under 1%,” says company with Apple/Microsoft money on its table" | Feb 04 16:00 |
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| zer0c00l | whats the real figures ? | Feb 04 16:01 |
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| schestowitz | Cool. We've just gotten another Wiki volunteer | Feb 04 16:04 |
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| schestowitz | What we do at the moment is add more exhibits to the 'sandbox' where we organise all the exhibits. | Feb 04 16:05 |
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| schestowitz | zer0c00l: hey | Feb 04 16:05 |
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| zer0c00l | yeah | Feb 04 16:05 |
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| schestowitz | zer0c00l: yes, please spread the words about them | Feb 04 16:05 |
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| zer0c00l | sure schestowitz | Feb 04 16:05 |
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| schestowitz | zer0c00l: estimates of real use vary from 4% to much higher | Feb 04 16:05 |
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| schestowitz | Some say 6% | Feb 04 16:05 |
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| schestowitz | But nobody knows for sure | Feb 04 16:05 |
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| schestowitz | Many sites I knew get 33% Linux users | Feb 04 16:06 |
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| zer0c00l | oh | Feb 04 16:06 |
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| schestowitz | But they are not counted in surveys | Feb 04 16:06 |
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| schestowitz | The world used to be called "flat" or "disc" | Feb 04 16:06 |
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| schestowitz | re: Wiki; One area where you can help us is extraction of text from the exhibits (we have just snippets) and summaries of the findings. The intention is to publish them eventually (with attributions). | Feb 04 16:06 |
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| schestowitz | We have some more about EDGI and the like | Feb 04 16:06 |
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| schestowitz | The bottleneck is help from people. | Feb 04 16:06 |
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| zer0c00l | wiki.boycottnovell.com ? | Feb 04 16:07 |
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| zer0c00l | ok | Feb 04 16:07 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki | Feb 04 16:07 |
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| schestowitz | I wanted to make it a subsite, but it kiinda blew up | Feb 04 16:08 |
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| zer0c00l | ok | Feb 04 16:08 |
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| zer0c00l | i will try to collect info from that wiki and make it as an article and will send it to you | Feb 04 16:09 |
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| zer0c00l | which id should i send those mails? | Feb 04 16:09 |
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| schestowitz | r at schestowitz.com | Feb 04 16:10 |
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| schestowitz | You could also edit the Wiki by extending it | Feb 04 16:10 |
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| schestowitz | But it works well either way | Feb 04 16:10 |
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| zer0c00l | ok | Feb 04 16:10 |
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| zer0c00l | sure | Feb 04 16:10 |
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| zer0c00l | i have lot of time these days(colleges has been closed due to some political problems) | Feb 04 16:11 |
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| schestowitz | Economy related? | Feb 04 16:12 |
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| zer0c00l | no political LTTE and srilanka | Feb 04 16:12 |
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| zer0c00l | all colleges throughout tamilnadu closed | Feb 04 16:13 |
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| zer0c00l | :D | Feb 04 16:13 |
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| zer0c00l | fearing that students will start protests | Feb 04 16:13 |
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| zer0c00l | will be back schestowitz now leaving | Feb 04 16:14 |
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| schestowitz | zer0c00l: see http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/... | Feb 04 16:15 |
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| schestowitz | The ones at the top... | Feb 04 16:15 |
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| schestowitz | 9 of them at the top (PDFs) we need the text of | Feb 04 16:15 |
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| schestowitz | Like this one: http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content... | Feb 04 16:16 |
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| zer0c00l | ok | Feb 04 16:16 |
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| schestowitz | It has some OCR done... just need cleaning up the typos | Feb 04 16:16 |
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| schestowitz | If you can get the text from it (copy, paste, clean up), that would be fantastic | Feb 04 16:16 |
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| zer0c00l | sure schestowitz | Feb 04 16:17 |
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| schestowitz | Thank you! | Feb 04 16:17 |
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| zer0c00l | now leaving for dinner will be back | Feb 04 16:17 |
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| twitter | ha ha, http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2008/10/... | Feb 04 16:20 |
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| schestowitz | BBC video on demand plan canned < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/812/105... >. So that's why Shill Highfield had jumped ship and ran to his masters at MS UK. | Feb 04 16:23 |
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| schestowitz | Distressed German chip maker says to shut US plant < http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-techn... > | Feb 04 16:23 |
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| twitter | TW loses 16B in quarter http://www.marketwatch.com/news/s... | Feb 04 16:27 |
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| schestowitz | Seems like we'll make another Digg FP shortly. | Feb 04 16:27 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: GOOD. Let TW die | Feb 04 16:28 |
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| schestowitz | They are responsible for a lot of imposed ignorance in the world's population, not just the US | Feb 04 16:28 |
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| schestowitz | TW loss is another persons' (or millions of persons) gain. | Feb 04 16:29 |
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| twitter | poison still profitable, http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p... | Feb 04 16:29 |
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| schestowitz | TW=centre of power, control of information, controlling perceptions and feelings. | Feb 04 16:29 |
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| Eruaran | My ISP uses Linux | Feb 04 16:30 |
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| Eruaran | Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) mod_ldap_userdir/1.1.11 PHP/4.4.4-8+etch6 Server at users.ncable.net.au Port 80 | Feb 04 16:30 |
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| PetoKraus | TW? | Feb 04 16:32 |
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| PetoKraus | Taiwan? | Feb 04 16:32 |
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| twitter | Time Warner. | Feb 04 16:32 |
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| twitter | see link above to big losses | Feb 04 16:33 |
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| twitter | You know, that big old publisher that destroyed AOL, and crapped out networks for M$. | Feb 04 16:33 |
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| PetoKraus | yeah | Feb 04 16:33 |
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| schestowitz | TW is a dinosaur, literally. Too big and clumsy, too old. | Feb 04 16:36 |
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| twitter | Big publishers are like the dinosaurs just after the big meteor hit. | Feb 04 16:36 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe they'll ask for bailout (public looting), so watch out and protest/inform. | Feb 04 16:37 |
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| twitter | It's a little cold for their comfort and there's not a lot of fresh meat running around. | Feb 04 16:37 |
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| twitter | Something keeps eating their eggs too | Feb 04 16:38 |
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| schestowitz | Netbook demand surge to slow next year < http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/02/04/disp... >< | Feb 04 16:38 |
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| twitter | sure, no one wants a netbook with Winblows on it. | Feb 04 16:38 |
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| schestowitz | Cool. SJVN has just linked to BN: http://practical-tech.com/operating-system... | Feb 04 16:39 |
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| schestowitz | Gah! He's linking to MS&Apple-sponsored Net Applications | Feb 04 16:40 |
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| schestowitz | He doesn't realise that these numbers are false. | Feb 04 16:40 |
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| schestowitz | And he has been buying their lies :-) | Feb 04 16:40 |
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| twitter | Acer overtaking Asus in netbooks should be good news. Acer supposedly "bet big" on GNU/Linux. | Feb 04 16:41 |
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| twitter | It would be better if Asus got their game back with free software. | Feb 04 16:42 |
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| schestowitz | I'll write to him about it.. (Net Applications) | Feb 04 16:46 |
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| schestowitz | "Thank you for the links. People from Novell try to restrain those who link to BN. As a side note, I noticed that you reference Net Applications. They are funded by Apple and Microsoft. It's a big lie that glorifies Apple and Microsoft." | Feb 04 16:46 |
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| MinceR | when will acer use ssd-s in them? | Feb 04 16:47 |
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| schestowitz | Acer and Linux are a good pair compared to _most_ | Feb 04 16:47 |
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| schestowitz | They are not perfect, but they publicly slammed Vista on behalf of all OEMs | Feb 04 16:47 |
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| schestowitz | Happy anniversary: http://www.wired.com/science/disc... | Feb 04 16:48 |
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| schestowitz | I added a comment in Digg. Bill Gates invests in Nigerian oil that kills children. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ttq0IdULfjg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVlnqnMHQ1c | Feb 04 16:50 |
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| twitter | I wonder why DisplayBank decided to cap netbooks to 20% of desktop sales like that. It seems arbitrary and so much can change so quickly. | Feb 04 16:52 |
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| Eruaran | Acers words have not translated into action that I have seen. | Feb 04 16:55 |
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| schestowitz | Heavy snow down south..... http://www.theopensourcerer.com/200... | Feb 04 16:55 |
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| schestowitz | http://rss.cnn.com/~r/rss/cnn_tech/~3/... Now they'll just move into another site or go to parks. Problems are never resolved in this way. | Feb 04 16:57 |
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| schestowitz | It's a bit like Cragslist kicking out prostitution, only to see it ending up in another site. | Feb 04 16:57 |
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| schestowitz | Wow. Panasonic Will Cut 15,000 Jobs as It Forecasts $4.3B Loss < http://www.pcworld.com/article/158902/panasonic_w... > | Feb 04 16:59 |
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| schestowitz | 15k | Feb 04 16:59 |
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| schestowitz | Cool. | Feb 04 17:01 |
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| schestowitz | There will soon be an article about Apple and MS sponsoring Net Applications. Thanks to BN! ;-) | Feb 04 17:01 |
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| schestowitz | Oops. The "cool" about refers not to the layoffs but to the Net Applications thing (it might look ambiguous in the IRC logs) | Feb 04 17:02 |
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| twitter | So much for the damage control articles on DOJ being "unsure" about further anti-trust oversight. http://www.itworld.com/windows/61942/vista-m... | Feb 04 17:05 |
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| twitter | Vendors and customers are still complaining about M$ business practices. | Feb 04 17:05 |
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| twitter | The purpose of the review is to decide, so they can't be "sure" by definition, but looking at the evidence it would be hard to think they will let M$ off. | Feb 04 17:07 |
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| schestowitz | BN starts spewing error pages again. | Feb 04 17:09 |
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| schestowitz | Windows 7 auto-elevation mistake lets malware elevate freely, easily < http://www.withinwindows.com/2009/02/04/wind... > | Feb 04 17:09 |
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| schestowitz | Add to failurelog? | Feb 04 17:09 |
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| twitter | probably. that's a big one. | Feb 04 17:09 |
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| twitter | you linked to that lately? | Feb 04 17:10 |
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| schestowitz | Not yet | Feb 04 17:10 |
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| schestowitz | Something rewlated | Feb 04 17:10 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft denied it | Feb 04 17:10 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/158871/... "It’s a fair guess to say that the Sakshat, if it’s for real, will use a barebones version of Linux open source software as its operating system." Well, it's just storage as it turns out | Feb 04 17:12 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft: All Windows 7 Editions to Run on Netbooks: http://www.pcworld.com/article/158865/micros... | Feb 04 17:12 |
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| schestowitz | Question: at what cost? | Feb 04 17:12 |
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| twitter | there was a UAC malware friendly issue. Like it let malware in then defended it. | Feb 04 17:12 |
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| twitter | oh yes, this was it. | Feb 04 17:13 |
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| schestowitz | Sub-nootebooks + top-up of $200? What about performance? This has vapourware written all over it | Feb 04 17:13 |
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| schestowitz | Wait until it turns out you need dual-core atom to just get the thing going /properly/ and _even then_ it's a battery hog | Feb 04 17:13 |
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| schestowitz | Smells like UMPC (remember Origami?) | Feb 04 17:14 |
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| schestowitz | Vistagami was rumoured... dead before arrival. | Feb 04 17:14 |
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| twitter | I see, M$ says you CAN run Vista 7 on netbooks but won't let them be sold with anything but a crippled "starter" edition. | Feb 04 17:14 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Feb 04 17:14 |
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| schestowitz | Sell cheap | Feb 04 17:14 |
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| schestowitz | Like free puppy | Feb 04 17:14 |
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| schestowitz | Windows = trialwareversion | Feb 04 17:14 |
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| schestowitz | Oh cool! | Feb 04 17:15 |
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| schestowitz | Antoher front page for BN | Feb 04 17:15 |
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| schestowitz | And FP in Digg coming. | Feb 04 17:15 |
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| schestowitz | Better prepate, somehow.. | Feb 04 17:16 |
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| twitter | Windows 7 failure and hype logs updated. http://slashdot.org/~twitter/jo... http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/216759 | Feb 04 17:24 |
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| Eruaran | too fat to run more than 3 apps at once | Feb 04 17:26 |
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| schestowitz | Average user doesn't multitask | Feb 04 17:26 |
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| schestowitz | BUT.. | Feb 04 17:26 |
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| twitter | cool searching google for vista failure log returns the vista failure log. http://www.google.com/search?q=vista+f... | Feb 04 17:27 |
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| schestowitz | Average user does not need more than GNU/Linux with Firefox and maybe Skype | Feb 04 17:27 |
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| Eruaran | Perhaps I should dust off the old Amiga and send it to SweatyB with a note attached saying, "multitasks better than Windows 7" | Feb 04 17:27 |
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| twitter | every user wants a photo editor | Feb 04 17:27 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe. "Andre Da Costa" | Feb 04 17:27 |
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| twitter | seen him before? | Feb 04 17:28 |
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| twitter | Here's the vista 7 dream scenario. Jane is on the run, trying to land a customer or two. She's got company notes to read and edit with her browser. email to read and write, perhaps a quote for the customers. That's three applications. IM, Skype and other communications tools are out of the picture. | Feb 04 17:30 |
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| twitter | She's on her own, except for her cell phone and email. | Feb 04 17:31 |
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| twitter | crippled. As soon as she reaches for just one more tool, her netbook asks which critical function she'd like to terminate and resume later. | Feb 04 17:31 |
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| twitter | an ALL CAPS EMAIL soon finds it's way to the IT department. | Feb 04 17:32 |
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| twitter | What's unrealistic about this scenario? That Windows 7 could do it all even if there were no restrictions. | Feb 04 17:33 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: we wrote about him in BN | Feb 04 17:33 |
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| twitter | Will have to look for that. | Feb 04 17:33 |
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| schestowitz | I thought you'd read: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/01/a... | Feb 04 17:33 |
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| schestowitz | Doesn't AV softwarer count as an app | Feb 04 17:34 |
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| schestowitz | Great. | Feb 04 17:34 |
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| schestowitz | Artificial limitations | Feb 04 17:34 |
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| schestowitz | Like DRM, but applies to kernel, not data | Feb 04 17:34 |
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| twitter | recent, wow. | Feb 04 17:35 |
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| Eruaran | Watch app limitations get dropped as soon as the bad publicity starts to bite | Feb 04 17:35 |
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| twitter | I read that AV would not count but you can't trust everything you read. | Feb 04 17:35 |
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| schestowitz | "Jane, I'm sorry, I can't talk on Skype now... I need to write some text and I reached MAX_APPS. Will call you back in a minute" | Feb 04 17:35 |
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| schestowitz | *hangs up* | Feb 04 17:36 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, we definitely have a Digg FP coming. I need to set up Coral soon, also for the pages in proximity | Feb 04 17:37 |
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| schestowitz | Oh wait... | Feb 04 17:40 |
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| schestowitz | Does Squid require installing binaries on the server? | Feb 04 17:40 |
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| schestowitz | I can't install binaries... just PHP scripts and Perl. | Feb 04 17:40 |
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| schestowitz | So we can't do caching properly | Feb 04 17:40 |
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| schestowitz | http://wiki.squid-cache.org/Squi... | Feb 04 17:41 |
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| twitter | Wow. That Andre guy is sad. Lost puppy but probably made more money than I did last year. | Feb 04 17:41 |
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| twitter | source code to the rescue. good luck! | Feb 04 17:42 |
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| schestowitz | http://plone.org/documentation/how-t... | Feb 04 17:42 |
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| twitter | bbl | Feb 04 17:42 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: no, I can't install these | Feb 04 17:42 |
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| schestowitz | I'll need to use Coral again | Feb 04 17:42 |
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| schestowitz | Rights Activist Tells of Detention In Russian Psychiatric Institutions http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/... | Feb 04 17:45 |
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| *zer0c00l feels sleepy | Feb 04 17:45 |
| *zer0c00l says bye | Feb 04 17:46 |
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| schestowitz | I've noticed the theme of the "1% market share" repeated in many places and also rebutted by readers, so this might be of use because it's factual ( twitter, spread the word please because this is very important if we can render then BUNK): http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/04... | Feb 04 17:52 |
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| schestowitz | *them, not then | Feb 04 17:53 |
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| schestowitz | Subject: The "killer" mentality < http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_stor... > | Feb 04 17:58 |
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| schestowitz | "All the wingnut pundits that say X will be the Y killer are really starting to bore me. What is with this flawed mentality that "there can only be one"? What is with this desire to trade one monopoly for another?" | Feb 04 17:59 |
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| schestowitz | "ø per second: 84.85; avg load 3.53 (4 cpus)" I bet it goes titsup if we make another FP. Shane has just said that the host will consider moving us to a stronger server/VPS | Feb 04 18:06 |
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| schestowitz | 11 reasons to switch to Linux < http://www.geekzone.co.nz/foobar/6201 > | Feb 04 18:20 |
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| PetoKraus | right so | Feb 04 18:37 |
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| PetoKraus | i'm thinking - the VMware virtualization open-source effort | Feb 04 18:37 |
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| PetoKraus | does it mean I can run VM's using VMware now? | Feb 04 18:38 |
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| PetoKraus | in open-source ofc | Feb 04 18:38 |
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| schestowitz | VMware ->MS | Feb 04 18:43 |
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| schestowitz | They need to pretend | Feb 04 18:43 |
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| schestowitz | Today: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-101555... http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/8... | Feb 04 18:43 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, that's correct. VMware's 'parent' company is swapping budgets with Microsoft now. Ho hum....... | Feb 04 18:44 |
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| PetoKraus | i'm thinking of getting a plant | Feb 04 18:46 |
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| PetoKraus | what should i get? :) | Feb 04 18:46 |
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| schestowitz | Breast | Feb 04 18:46 |
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| schestowitz | By the way, notice which sources are typically drawing the crowds to Net Applications. Repetition makes 'truth'. You know, like Rob Enderle citing Dan Lyons and vice versa. | Feb 04 18:46 |
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| PetoKraus | schestowitz: plant, not implant | Feb 04 18:47 |
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| PetoKraus | hah | Feb 04 18:48 |
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| PetoKraus | i wonder why doesn't wikipedia article get censored | Feb 04 18:48 |
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| PetoKraus | on breast, that is | Feb 04 18:48 |
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| PetoKraus | (NSFW: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c...) | Feb 04 18:48 |
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| PetoKraus | they could've used male breast... | Feb 04 18:48 |
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| PetoKraus | they obviously DON'T THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!! | Feb 04 18:48 |
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| schestowitz | THat's not a sexy picture | Feb 04 18:53 |
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| schestowitz | This one is better: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia... (NSFW) | Feb 04 18:54 |
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| PetoKraus | :) | Feb 04 18:56 |
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| schestowitz | Great Seinfeld Moment - The good naked, the bad naked < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk3f7nkjEFw > | Feb 04 18:57 |
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| schestowitz | Good news, bad new. The site is getting so much traffic that we must upgrade to a stronger server. We do about 10 million hits per month at this pace. :-) | Feb 04 19:02 |
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| schestowitz | There are signs of us making a difference. I also gave an interview (short) to a magazine a while ago. | Feb 04 19:02 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.ph... "In his bio, he states that his qualifications are those of a "business journalist for nearly 25 years", but nowhere in his short bio summary does he give any indication that he is qualified in any way to speak on either open source or security. I think that is all I need to say on the matter." | Feb 04 19:45 |
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| schestowitz | Re: Dana Blankenhorne and his article < http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?l... > | Feb 04 19:47 |
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| schestowitz | Motorola is such a mess... http://www.linuxdevices.com/news... ..at least it's throwing Microsoft aside and keeping with Linux. | Feb 04 20:02 |
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| twitter | female_breast. Nice breast, bad software, "Adobe Photoshop CS Windows" | Feb 04 20:11 |
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| schestowitz | This is weird. Why does IDG contact me and many others for no reason? | Feb 04 20:11 |
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| schestowitz | It's almost like bulk mail. | Feb 04 20:12 |
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| schestowitz | "CIO.com has done well before with "battling" articles that take opposite sides of the same technology, such as 5 compelling reasons to use MySQL (www.cio.com/article/113110) and 8 reasons not to (www.cio.com/article/113111). I'm aiming to do that again with a topic that's near and dear to everyone's heart here: e-mail. In particular, Microsoft Outlook. | Feb 04 20:12 |
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| schestowitz | " | Feb 04 20:12 |
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| schestowitz | "I asked one author to write a "reasons to use Outlook" article, and another to write about why Outlook should die die die. Dee-Ann handed in her article for the latter, but it needs more examples of Outlook's technical weaknesses. (Instead of saying "Die die die" I think she wrote, "Outlook should stub its toe."" | Feb 04 20:12 |
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| PetoKraus | hm | Feb 04 20:12 |
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| PetoKraus | who is dana blankenhorne | Feb 04 20:12 |
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| PetoKraus | for goodness sake | Feb 04 20:13 |
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| schestowitz | I'll reply anyway | Feb 04 20:13 |
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| schestowitz | Dana =Windows user | Feb 04 20:13 |
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| PetoKraus | i could bloody employ myself as a journo | Feb 04 20:13 |
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| schestowitz | Writes about FOSS, which he doesn't even use | Feb 04 20:13 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: why journo? | Feb 04 20:13 |
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| schestowitz | Make a company | Feb 04 20:13 |
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| schestowitz | Call yourself CEO | Feb 04 20:13 |
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| schestowitz | And founder | Feb 04 20:13 |
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| PetoKraus | nah | Feb 04 20:13 |
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| schestowitz | Like Enderle does | Feb 04 20:13 |
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| twitter | The biggest reason to avoid Outlook is because it makes an insecure platform even worse. | Feb 04 20:13 |
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| schestowitz | Even CEO | Feb 04 20:13 |
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| schestowitz | Put up something that says "Analyst" (self appointed) | Feb 04 20:14 |
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| PetoKraus | yeah | Feb 04 20:14 |
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| schestowitz | Cookie guru.. | Feb 04 20:14 |
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| PetoKraus | i'm quite disappointed | Feb 04 20:14 |
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| PetoKraus | i had this talk with my friend yesterday | Feb 04 20:14 |
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| PetoKraus | whether it's possible to change the world | Feb 04 20:14 |
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| PetoKraus | and what's the best way to do so | Feb 04 20:14 |
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| twitter | Both Kontact and Evolution has everything Outlook has but they don't tie you to an OS and they don't get drive by exploited like Outlook does. | Feb 04 20:15 |
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| schestowitz | OK, I replies. | Feb 04 20:15 |
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| twitter | The world is always changing. | Feb 04 20:15 |
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| schestowitz | I think an article ought to be written about Exchange too. I accumulated many references about its harms here: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/10/microsoft-doomed-... http://boycottnovell.com/2008/02/01/exc... | Feb 04 20:15 |
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| PetoKraus | twitter: that's not what I mean | Feb 04 20:15 |
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| twitter | The trick is to get it to change for the better. | Feb 04 20:16 |
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| schestowitz | Obama | Feb 04 20:16 |
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| schestowitz | That's change | Feb 04 20:16 |
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| PetoKraus | you know, it's obvious that the only thing politicians fear are scientists | Feb 04 20:16 |
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| schestowitz | There used to be Bush | Feb 04 20:16 |
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| schestowitz | Now there is Obama | Feb 04 20:16 |
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| schestowitz | Both words still have a "B" in them. | Feb 04 20:16 |
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| PetoKraus | though there's the problem of... who listens to scientists anyway | Feb 04 20:16 |
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| schestowitz | So it's not a total change | Feb 04 20:16 |
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| schestowitz | The world changes all the time. It also has thinner ozone layer. :-) But don't tell this to politicians.. they are too busy rewarding oil companies that funded their campaign :-) | Feb 04 20:18 |
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| twitter | Every little trick I figure out makes my world that little bit better. Sharing that trick makes a few other people's world better. | Feb 04 20:19 |
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| schestowitz | Compiz Fusion To Be Dropped, Other Changes Planned < http://www.phoronix.com/scan.p... > | Feb 04 20:20 |
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| schestowitz | Sharing = less waste | Feb 04 20:20 |
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| schestowitz | Why have 3 companies run separate datacentres that melt glaciers? | Feb 04 20:20 |
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| schestowitz | "Competition" is the answer, BUT at what cost? | Feb 04 20:20 |
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| schestowitz | Look at Compiz | Feb 04 20:21 |
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| schestowitz | They share codebase now. They converge! | Feb 04 20:21 |
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| schestowitz | Why can't industry increase efforts of convergence for better survival of the human species? That just isn't taken into account in the current gameplay. Things like pollution and consumption are hardly a factor in business management | Feb 04 20:22 |
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| PetoKraus | hmm i don't like evolution | Feb 04 20:23 |
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| PetoKraus | it doesn't suit my needs | Feb 04 20:23 |
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| PetoKraus | sunbird is slightly better calendar | Feb 04 20:23 |
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| twitter | yes, I like Kontact for what I do. | Feb 04 20:24 |
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| twitter | It used to sync well with my Palm | Feb 04 20:24 |
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| twitter | Here's a funny W32 mess http://it.slashdot.org/it/09/02/04/183237.shtml | Feb 04 20:24 |
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| PetoKraus | i just don't like the theming support of Sunbird | Feb 04 20:24 |
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| PetoKraus | it is hideous | Feb 04 20:24 |
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| twitter | the ticket issue above is a good reason government should never demand non free software on user machines. | Feb 04 20:25 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: Kontact is decent | Feb 04 20:26 |
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| schestowitz | It could also import my Palm DBs | Feb 04 20:27 |
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| PetoKraus | i'm gonna take a look | Feb 04 20:27 |
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| schestowitz | It does ical | Feb 04 20:27 |
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| schestowitz | On my Web site I also have a calendar | Feb 04 20:27 |
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| schestowitz | I put my Palm DB in Kontact,, exported, then put it on the site which is a displayer | Feb 04 20:27 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: put it on your site, with or without password | Feb 04 20:28 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.php-calendar.com/wiki/in... | Feb 04 20:28 |
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| schestowitz | It's not that, wait.... | Feb 04 20:28 |
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| PetoKraus | i don't need calendar | Feb 04 20:28 |
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| PetoKraus | on the web | Feb 04 20:28 |
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| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Datebook/calendar/ | Feb 04 20:28 |
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| PetoKraus | i want a nice calendar on my pc | Feb 04 20:28 |
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| PetoKraus | pwd? :) | Feb 04 20:28 |
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| schestowitz | It's this: http://phpicalendar.net/ | Feb 04 20:29 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: of course | Feb 04 20:29 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: it's private | Feb 04 20:29 |
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| schestowitz | It looks very nifty though | Feb 04 20:29 |
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| PetoKraus | gah i need so much deps for kdepim | Feb 04 20:29 |
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| PetoKraus | many* | Feb 04 20:29 |
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| PetoKraus | if it's not gonna be themed properly, i'm gonna slap them | Feb 04 20:30 |
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| schestowitz | It looks nice | Feb 04 20:30 |
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| schestowitz | No DB either | Feb 04 20:30 |
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| schestowitz | You just slap the file there | Feb 04 20:30 |
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| schestowitz | But it's a viewer only | Feb 04 20:30 |
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| schestowitz | So.. | Feb 04 20:30 |
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| schestowitz | You could edit in Kontact | Feb 04 20:30 |
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| schestowitz | Then save in ~/public_html/whatever | Feb 04 20:30 |
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| schestowitz | And you can view the book from anywhere with a Web connection | Feb 04 20:31 |
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| PetoKraus | i need to have whole fkn kdebase for kdepim | Feb 04 20:32 |
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| PetoKraus | WTF | Feb 04 20:32 |
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| PetoKraus | right, it's going off my box | Feb 04 20:32 |
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| PetoKraus | and of course, it looks pish | Feb 04 20:33 |
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| PetoKraus | does not track my qt4 settings | Feb 04 20:33 |
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| trmanco | http://www.tuxradar.com/node/33 | Feb 04 20:36 |
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| schestowitz | Ahhhh | Feb 04 20:38 |
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| schestowitz | I'm so tied of seeing articles that talk about Net Application as though it's written in stone | Feb 04 20:38 |
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| schestowitz | yeah, yeah......... 7% of the world uses Safari..... sure! | Feb 04 20:38 |
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| schestowitz | Sponsored by Apple | Feb 04 20:39 |
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| schestowitz | What services does Apple pay them for? | Feb 04 20:39 |
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| schestowitz | Consulting? | Feb 04 20:39 |
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| schestowitz | Does Apple pay them to use IIS 6.0? | Feb 04 20:39 |
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| schestowitz | Or to say that Apple has market share of 10%? | Feb 04 20:39 |
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| trmanco | oh | Feb 04 20:39 |
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| schestowitz | I bet they include big Apple and MS sites in the stats | Feb 04 20:39 |
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| trmanco | .NET NET% crap | Feb 04 20:39 |
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| schestowitz | Mind you, APPLE IS HARDLY USED OUside THE US | Feb 04 20:40 |
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| trmanco | is netaplications some kind of a standard? | Feb 04 20:40 |
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| schestowitz | US, Japan, parts of EU. That's it. | Feb 04 20:40 |
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| trmanco | Google has good stats | Feb 04 20:40 |
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| schestowitz | None in Russia, Milddle east, south America, Africa. | Feb 04 20:40 |
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| schestowitz | AND THESE are the markets where Linux is big. Net Application is just US almost.,.. and that's where Linux adoption is worse.. next to China/Korea I bet | Feb 04 20:41 |
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| trmanco | Yahoo, and some other top notch sites like Youtube (maybe) | Feb 04 20:41 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: Google has Google users sgtats | Feb 04 20:41 |
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| schestowitz | They are a little smarter | Feb 04 20:41 |
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| trmanco | sgtats? | Feb 04 20:41 |
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| schestowitz | Also, Google doesn't get correct headers | Feb 04 20:41 |
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| schestowitz | Lots of Squid, forging, zombies, etc | Feb 04 20:41 |
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| trmanco | I'm talking about analytics | Feb 04 20:42 |
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| schestowitz | You can't jusge by one site | Feb 04 20:42 |
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| schestowitz | No matter the size of the population | Feb 04 20:42 |
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| schestowitz | Because site=population for that one site | Feb 04 20:42 |
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| schestowitz | Like BN... with 30%-40% Linux users | Feb 04 20:42 |
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| schestowitz | Or Alexa rank...... that's bollox... Windows+IE | Feb 04 20:42 |
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| trmanco | I used to use alexa | Feb 04 20:42 |
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| schestowitz | So sites without Windows/IE get bad Alexa ranksd | Feb 04 20:43 |
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| schestowitz | Use Netcraft | Feb 04 20:43 |
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| schestowitz | We're 2400th | Feb 04 20:43 |
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| trmanco | or at least "believe" in it | Feb 04 20:43 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, I can confirm that -> So sites without Windows/IE get bad Alexa ranksd | Feb 04 20:43 |
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| trmanco | and when I said Google had good stats, I was talking about analytics, google.com should also have some interesting numbers IMO | Feb 04 20:44 |
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| schestowitz | The big lies have been spread | Feb 04 20:45 |
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| schestowitz | Even when Net Application is shown to be a fraud pretty much, damage was done. | Feb 04 20:45 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: yes, Alexa=number of stupid visitors (Windows PLUS Internet Explorer) | Feb 04 20:46 |
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| trmanco | yes yes | Feb 04 20:46 |
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| trmanco | I can deeply confirm that | Feb 04 20:46 |
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| schestowitz | PLUS spyware | Feb 04 20:46 |
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| trmanco | my highest rank was 325 000, and by that time I had 100 visits 80% windows | Feb 04 20:47 |
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| trmanco | now I have 969,100 and I get about 300 visits per day (uniques, bots don't count) being about 50% linux | Feb 04 20:48 |
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| trmanco | maybe more | Feb 04 20:48 |
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| trmanco | I hit the 800 unique visitor mark with the launch of Ubuntu 8.10 :-P | Feb 04 20:49 |
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| trmanco | REactOS 0.3.8: http://www.reactos.org/en/news_page_49.html | Feb 04 20:50 |
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| schestowitz | schestowitz.com was 17000th at one stage | Feb 04 20:52 |
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| PetoKraus | right: | Feb 04 20:53 |
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| PetoKraus | Dana Blankenhorn has been a business journalist for 30 years, a tech freelancer since 1983. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations. | Feb 04 20:53 |
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| PetoKraus | Dana Blankenhorn has been a business journalist for nearly 25 years and has covered the online world professionally since 1985. | Feb 04 20:54 |
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| PetoKraus | that's a nice one. | Feb 04 20:54 |
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| *trmanco brb | Feb 04 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Journalists today are like artists when the photographs were 'invested' | Feb 04 20:55 |
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| schestowitz | *vented' | Feb 04 20:55 |
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| PetoKraus | right | Feb 04 21:01 |
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| PetoKraus | there we go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dana_... | Feb 04 21:01 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* Wikipedia? | Feb 04 21:04 |
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| schestowitz | He's a celeb now? | Feb 04 21:04 |
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| PetoKraus | yeah | Feb 04 21:05 |
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| schestowitz | He got Wiked [sic] | Feb 04 21:06 |
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| PetoKraus | yeah | Feb 04 21:06 |
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| PetoKraus | :) | Feb 04 21:06 |
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| trmanco | back | Feb 04 21:17 |
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| schestowitz | IDG is laying off writers | Feb 04 21:50 |
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| schestowitz | I've just received mail from someone | Feb 04 21:50 |
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| schestowitz | It fires EDITORs too | Feb 04 21:50 |
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| schestowitz | Actually, the editor who told me this wrote OS/2 at IBM... a long, long time ago. I intend to make many posts about what happened there. We got hundreds of court exhibits from Comes vs Microsoft. We will texify them and explain how they are connected. | Feb 04 21:57 |
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| schestowitz | Why is this IBM employee still peddling Microsoft into the EEE?? http://weblog.infoworld.com/openresource/ar... | Feb 04 22:18 |
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| schestowitz | Made another FP just now | Feb 04 22:26 |
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| schestowitz | British opposition calls for open source < http://www.itexaminer.com/british-o... >. Maybe just a stunt, but who knows? | Feb 04 22:32 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmmmm. | Feb 04 22:48 |
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| schestowitz | Another IDG writer was fired | Feb 04 22:48 |
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| schestowitz | The E-mails just keep coming.. | Feb 04 22:48 |
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| schestowitz | "Thanks Roy, this is very much appreciated. FWIW [xxxxxxxxx] knows I was laid off in early January as well. It's starting to feel like a global game of dominos, though with a lot more blood." | Feb 04 22:48 |
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| schestowitz | IBM seems to be moving close to Linux now. IBM could also vend with other companies' s/w (e.g. Apple). It would be wise to work collaboratively with peers though (LF). | Feb 04 22:49 |
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| schestowitz | BN gets unstable again... | Feb 04 22:55 |
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| twitter | fun stuff http://www.aenigmafonts.com/fonts/fonts.html whole package in debian is ttf-aenigma | Feb 04 22:59 |
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| twitter | also fun, a browser that does apt:/show?ttf-aenigma | Feb 04 22:59 |
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| balzac | man, I'm getting pissed at Microsoft today. Stupid IE6. | Feb 04 23:11 |
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| balzac | damn I hate that browser. | Feb 04 23:11 |
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| schestowitz | Why do you use it? It install s/w | Feb 04 23:12 |
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| schestowitz | *talls | Feb 04 23:12 |
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| balzac | I have to check my websites against MS browsers or I can't pay my rent | Feb 04 23:12 |
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| balzac | So I've got pirated copies of XP running on virtualbox running IE6, IE7, IE8 | Feb 04 23:13 |
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| balzac | of course I would never use Windows as my operating system, only for browser testing. That's the one thing I can't escape yet. | Feb 04 23:13 |
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| schestowitz | Use browsershots | Feb 04 23:13 |
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| schestowitz | I was using some public clusters for IE6 testing back in 2005 | Feb 04 23:14 |
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| schestowitz | But that's not needed anymore. Also, you could install IE in GNU/Linux. | Feb 04 23:14 |
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| balzac | not "pirated" but in violation of the copyright and EULA, which is fine with me. | Feb 04 23:15 |
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| PetoKraus | awright guys | Feb 04 23:15 |
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| PetoKraus | good night | Feb 04 23:15 |
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| schestowitz | gn | Feb 04 23:15 |
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| balzac | Those services can't be trusted | Feb 04 23:16 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: the company that makes it commits far worse crimes | Feb 04 23:16 |
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| balzac | I found my website was a mess in some version of IE, even after I thought I had confirmed via screen-shots | Feb 04 23:16 |
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| balzac | IE on wine doesn't work the same, plus it's ie6 only | Feb 04 23:17 |
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| balzac | I've got three windows installations running on virtualbox which have no other purpose than browser testing. | Feb 04 23:17 |
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| schestowitz | I saw an article on Wine with IE7 some hours ago | Feb 04 23:18 |
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| balzac | I'm ok with it until I earn enough to hire another web designer to handle CSS for me. | Feb 04 23:18 |
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| schestowitz | Here: http://www.wine-reviews.net/wine-reviews/app... | Feb 04 23:18 |
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| balzac | well, things like the png-fix don't work on IE on wine | Feb 04 23:18 |
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| schestowitz | Billy went far to ensure you must use 'his' wares | Feb 04 23:19 |
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| balzac | It's not on my computer anyway, it's on my client's computer... | Feb 04 23:19 |
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| schestowitz | "In one piece of mail people were suggesting that Office had to work equally well with all browsers and that we shouldn’t force Office users to use our browser. This Is wrong and I wanted to correct this." Bill Gates | Feb 04 23:19 |
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| schestowitz | "Another suggestion In this mail was that we can’t make our own unilateral extensions to HTML I was going to say this was wrong and correct this also." --Bill Gates | Feb 04 23:19 |
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| balzac | well, it's only for the browsers. | Feb 04 23:19 |
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| balzac | Anyway, I've got to make my websites look good in IE. | Feb 04 23:20 |
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| schestowitz | BillG loves the Internet so much ("we're not interested in it", 1993) that he wanted to give something back and 'extended' it | Feb 04 23:20 |
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| schestowitz | For you :-) | Feb 04 23:20 |
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| balzac | but I feel the rage as the Gauls beating on the gates of Rome | Feb 04 23:20 |
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| balzac | let's finish Microsoft off! | Feb 04 23:21 |
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| schestowitz | Heh. | Feb 04 23:21 |
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| balzac | Roy, you're doing a fine job, my good man. | Feb 04 23:22 |
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| schestowitz | I'll knock on their door while I still can. | Feb 04 23:23 |
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| balzac | I bet the Microsofties are in a rage over your blog. | Feb 04 23:23 |
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| schestowitz | We're last ones standing, almost... | Feb 04 23:23 |
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| schestowitz | I got some mails earlier... journos that cover Linux are among those laid off this weel | Feb 04 23:24 |
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| MinceR | gn | Feb 04 23:24 |
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| schestowitz | *week. Same for other areas though | Feb 04 23:24 |
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| schestowitz | gn, MinceR | Feb 04 23:24 |
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| balzac | I'm hoping the guy who writes on IT matters for PBS is right | Feb 04 23:24 |
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| balzac | who is that guy again? | Feb 04 23:25 |
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| balzac | he said M$ ought to lay off 50,000 | Feb 04 23:25 |
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| schestowitz | Cringely | Feb 04 23:25 |
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| balzac | right | Feb 04 23:25 |
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| schestowitz | Pseudonym | Feb 04 23:25 |
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| schestowitz | Mark | Feb 04 23:25 |
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| schestowitz | He mailed me backl | Feb 04 23:25 |
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| schestowitz | Someone told me last week that he went broke or out of biz or something. | Feb 04 23:25 |
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| balzac | he must have gotten some traffic | Feb 04 23:25 |
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| balzac | What did he say? | Feb 04 23:26 |
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| schestowitz | Susan hosts it herself -> Downtime.. http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/34094 | Feb 04 23:28 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: can't recall | Feb 04 23:28 |
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| schestowitz | I left her a word of encouragement: "I caught up all that you posted. Keep up the wonderful work. You're among the last ones standing (not just in FOSS... the press in general is dying as you can probably tell). | Feb 04 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | I got some mails today from an editor and writer who were laid off." | Feb 04 23:30 |
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| balzac | That happens to people whose work is not actually a necessity | Feb 04 23:33 |
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| balzac | it's not good, but it happens | Feb 04 23:33 |
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| balzac | I'm making chump-change, but the work I do must be done for the small businesses which are my clients. | Feb 04 23:33 |
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| balzac | But most of the people who had cushy jobs are making more from their unemployment checks than I'm making from working. | Feb 04 23:34 |
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| balzac | Anyway, I'm glad I changed my focus back to technology, away from content. | Feb 04 23:35 |
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| balzac | As I mentioned before, I'm training for RedHat certification | Feb 04 23:37 |
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| balzac | I'm already decent at web design and development, but I don't like having to cater to people in creative work. | Feb 04 23:37 |
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| twitter | Nice catch, Roy. Ted Haeger schools the PR people. What morons. When someone leaves without making a stink, it's better not to stir them up. | Feb 04 23:40 |
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| trmanco | http://my.opera.com/core/blog/2009/0... | Feb 04 23:42 |
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| schestowitz | Just a sec | Feb 04 23:42 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: good for you. Make use of it while it lasts.. I made some good choices myself, seeing how Google is eating dirt | Feb 04 23:47 |
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| balzac | Roy, I know that a lot of financial services companies here in NYC are going to have to upgrade their software, no matter how badly they're doing. | Feb 04 23:48 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: what's the gist? | Feb 04 23:48 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: Red Hat and Solaris? | Feb 04 23:48 |
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| balzac | Solaris is not going to get the job done while GNU/Linux is available. | Feb 04 23:48 |
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| schestowitz | Migrations likely | Feb 04 23:49 |
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| balzac | I'm suggesting they drop Solaris in favor of Redhat | Feb 04 23:49 |
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| schestowitz | Have fun putting the non-Free software 'to rest' if you know what I mean | Feb 04 23:49 |
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| balzac | Solaris is no fun because it doesn't have a strong community | Feb 04 23:49 |
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| schestowitz | They'll call you the 'binary assassin' | Feb 04 23:49 |
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| balzac | I think of it like being a vampire hunter | Feb 04 23:49 |
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| schestowitz | "Take cover from the Sun, binaries assassin" | Feb 04 23:50 |
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| balzac | kill a dirty license for jesus | Feb 04 23:50 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* | Feb 04 23:50 |
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| balzac | Sun needs to get real and admit, Open Solaris under their CDDL license is never going anywhere | Feb 04 23:50 |
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| schestowitz | You boot them into Red Hat CDs and they never wake up again | Feb 04 23:50 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: that would crash their stock further | Feb 04 23:51 |
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| balzac | then they ought to buy Canonical, but until they really understand GNU, they're not fit to buy and run software companies based on GPL projects | Feb 04 23:51 |
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| balzac | I prefer debian-based distros. | Feb 04 23:51 |
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| schestowitz | That'd be like Microsoft saying "OK!! Vista stinks, we admit it. And Vista7 is just a fix and marketing" | Feb 04 23:51 |
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| schestowitz | They channeled their $300mil "Mojave" money to Vista7 | Feb 04 23:52 |
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| balzac | Sun needs to get real. I had the displeasure of using Solaris and it sucked. | Feb 04 23:52 |
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| balzac | And they really shouldn't ask me for my email address before I can download mysql | Feb 04 23:52 |
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| balzac | that is very lame | Feb 04 23:52 |
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| balzac | They need to get real. | Feb 04 23:52 |
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| balzac | I could kick so much tail if I were the CEO of Sun. | Feb 04 23:53 |
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| schestowitz | Ponytail? | Feb 04 23:55 |
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| schestowitz | Remember Looking Glass? I doubt many people still use it. What a shame.. nice project | Feb 04 23:56 |
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