IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: February 27th, 2009 - Part 3

Dr. Roy Schestowitz

2009-02-28 05:13:13 UTC
Modified: 2009-02-28 05:13:13 UTC

seller_liar	schestowitz: a one good thing + another bad thing = another good thing	Feb 27 14:19
amarsh04	s/a large/has a large/	Feb 27 14:19
schestowitz	It was said explicitly that people would realise what they were really up to had the corporations not done something nice to the cameras every now and then.	Feb 27 14:19
schestowitz	amarsh04: that's good. Who sponsors it?	Feb 27 14:20
amarsh04	it's the government's restriction on tobacco advertising - only at point of sale and only brand names and health warnings allowed	Feb 27 14:21
schestowitz	Glamorisation of tobacco is pretty much a dead thing, but alcohol is still advocated a lot (unless you're child, in which case you just see signposts about it but you can't buy this 'desirable' drug).	Feb 27 14:21
seller_liar	amarsh04: This is very good , because a one bad thing (disease) + another bad thing ( cigarretes) = a more worst bad thing	Feb 27 14:21
amarsh04	no brand names mentionable without the colour pictures of diseased body parts	Feb 27 14:21
seller_liar	amarsh04: Because of this large image, people rejects cigarretes more	Feb 27 14:21
schestowitz	amarsh04: it does what it says on the tin then. :-)	Feb 27 14:22
schestowitz	For a change, cigarettes don't lead to wealth and sex.	Feb 27 14:23
amarsh04	I had to tell grand-daughter that smoking would harm her ability to sing - something she likes doing	Feb 27 14:23
amarsh04	and grand-daughter remembers that her great-grandmother smoked and had the same gangrenous feet	Feb 27 14:23
seller_liar	amarsh04: yes, this is skinner theory	Feb 27 14:24
seller_liar	amarsh04: bad thing + another bad thing = a more bad thing	Feb 27 14:24
seller_liar	amarsh04: reinforcement theory	Feb 27 14:24
seller_liar	seller_liar: people can destroy bad habits reinforcing about the dangers about that habit	Feb 27 14:25
seller_liar	amarsh04: : people can destroy bad habits reinforcing about the dangers about that habit	Feb 27 14:26
seller_liar	amarsh04: Like the big image does	Feb 27 14:26
amarsh04	yes, seller_liar	Feb 27 14:26
seller_liar	amarsh04: but ,,	Feb 27 14:26
seller_liar	amarsh04: good habits can be destroyed too....	Feb 27 14:26
seller_liar	amarsh04: like propaganda does	Feb 27 14:26
seller_liar	amarsh04: for example , coca-cola use a lot of happy images to sell more	Feb 27 14:27
seller_liar	amarsh04: this works	Feb 27 14:27
schestowitz	it does	Feb 27 14:27
schestowitz	films too	Feb 27 14:27
schestowitz	A culture where "I'll have a coke" is like "bless you" or "cya later"	Feb 27 14:27
seller_liar	schestowitz: Yes, a lot of movies put a lot of banner in climax scenes	Feb 27 14:28
amarsh04	grand-daughter had another good re-inforcement yesterday... we found a bag in the car park where we were visiting and I was just calling the police to see what would be appropriate to do with it when the owner turned up and bought grand-daughter an icecream	Feb 27 14:28
seller_liar	schestowitz: People will remember the best scene of movie, but it will remember the banner too	Feb 27 14:29
schestowitz	I guess it's the cost of watching films	Feb 27 14:29
schestowitz	There are indirect costs	Feb 27 14:29
seller_liar	schestowitz: Yes, but forces people to buy more and more things	Feb 27 14:30
amarsh04	I finally saw "Master & Commander: the far side of the world" plus the dvd extras this week	Feb 27 14:30
amarsh04	Peter Weir went out of his way to explain some of the film-making, and the coverage of the Galapogas islands and music development for the film was also great	Feb 27 14:31
seller_liar	schestowitz: and worst , forces people to buy thing without think about ethicsa	Feb 27 14:31
schestowitz	Gut feeling	Feb 27 14:32
amarsh04	I put off buying as long as possible	Feb 27 14:32
amarsh04	last cd purchase was for my mum - Paul Robeson (Old man river and songs from that era) AUD$10	Feb 27 14:33
seller_liar	schestowitz: Another example , a lot of car companies uses woman to sell more cars	Feb 27 14:33
seller_liar	schestowitz: Sexy woman ( good thing ) + car = car is a good thing	Feb 27 14:34
amarsh04	am also maintaining current vehicles until is not feasible to get parts to repair them	Feb 27 14:34
seller_liar	amarsh04: Did you remember the m$ propagand which uses madonna song to promote windows Xp?	Feb 27 14:35
seller_liar	amarsh04: this is another example of reinforcement theory	Feb 27 14:35
amarsh04	ABC Classic FM is more into participation - over 700 hours of live concerts broadcast, plus many free concerts	Feb 27 14:35
seller_liar	schestowitz: madonna song ( good thing ) + windows xp ( very bad thing) = windows is a good thing	Feb 27 14:36
amarsh04	I don't even remember santana performing "Smooth" for windows xp	Feb 27 14:36
amarsh04	I do remember the rolling stones "start me up" for windows 95	Feb 27 14:36
seller_liar	amarsh04: I remember too	Feb 27 14:37
schestowitz	amarsh04: yes, radios is under threat now too	Feb 27 14:38
schestowitz	The RIAA is trying to tax Internet radio out of business	Feb 27 14:38
amarsh04	ABC Classic FM has managed to stream live and deals directly with the living artists that it broadcasts	Feb 27 14:39
schestowitz	seller_liar: let's face it. Microsoft is a legal/marketing company.	Feb 27 14:39
schestowitz	The other part of acquisition of companies and 'stealing' of ideas	Feb 27 14:40
schestowitz	Google is the same with the exception of search	Feb 27 14:40
schestowitz	Search gave it smart engineer ans branding power to sell old technology like E-mail.	Feb 27 14:40
schestowitz	Things like Google Apps they just bought	Feb 27 14:40
seller_liar	schestowitz: Yes this is a bad thing	Feb 27 14:40
amarsh04	the down side is that while we get live broadcasts of classical music, we don't get broadcasts of orchestras performing with artists enslaved to record companies	Feb 27 14:41
schestowitz	Why compete?	Feb 27 14:41
schestowitz	Just buy yourself a factiuon	Feb 27 14:41
schestowitz	Make camps	Feb 27 14:41
schestowitz	"Co-opetition"	Feb 27 14:41
amarsh04	that's an old Novell word	Feb 27 14:41
schestowitz	That's not capitalism-inspired principles	Feb 27 14:41
schestowitz	It's a farce	Feb 27 14:41
seller_liar	schestowitz: People with power in one aspect (search ) uses this power to gain more power (apps ,mail etc...)	Feb 27 14:41
schestowitz	it's not free market either when the economy collapses and the public is handed a bill to pay	Feb 27 14:41
schestowitz	amarsh04: true. Noorda.	Feb 27 14:42
seller_liar	schestowitz: I know roy , but people still dont think about ethics.	Feb 27 14:42
seller_liar	schestowitz: People only thinks in consuming and production	Feb 27 14:42
schestowitz	They are taught not to	Feb 27 14:42
seller_liar	schestowitz: While people don t change, the world will suffer	Feb 27 14:43
schestowitz	They are told that the pseudo democracy where saying "no" to decisions sometimes is "public participation" is good for them	Feb 27 14:43
schestowitz	Teomocracy	Feb 27 14:43
schestowitz	Veto democracy	Feb 27 14:43
schestowitz	If you don't like it, use free of speech and march the streets	Feb 27 14:43
schestowitz	That's US 'democracy'	Feb 27 14:43
seller_liar	schestowitz: The good guys that like about ethics must save the society	Feb 27 14:43
schestowitz	Presidential candidates don't rise from the public's rank either	Feb 27 14:43
seller_liar	schestowitz: Rms for example gives a good contribution to society ,	Feb 27 14:44
seller_liar	schestowitz: We must promote more ethics to people	Feb 27 14:44
seller_liar	schestowitz: We need to create a infrastructure to promote ethcis	Feb 27 14:45
seller_liar	schestowitz: But I don t know how to do	Feb 27 14:45
seller_liar	schestowitz: BN helps a lot , but only about microsoft and allies	Feb 27 14:46
seller_liar	schestowitz: We need to build a infrastructure capable to show about coca cola ,mcdonalds, nike , phillip morris	Feb 27 14:46
schestowitz	Why not create "planet"?	Feb 27 14:47
seller_liar	schestowitz: in a community and informal way , ( wikis, analysis , reflection ,opinions all) ,all about ethics	Feb 27 14:47
seller_liar	schestowitz: Yes, But I don t have time .	Feb 27 14:47
seller_liar	seller_liar: We need to create a community oriented way	Feb 27 14:48
seller_liar	schestowitz: : We need to create a community oriented way	Feb 27 14:48
seller_liar	schestowitz: : People does ethical analysis about a company and them publishes to planet	Feb 27 14:48
seller_liar	schestowitz: Blogosphere is good source of people	Feb 27 14:49
seller_liar	schestowitz: A good infrasctructure = Blogsphere(analysts) + planet	Feb 27 14:49
schestowitz	There's Wikileaks	Feb 27 14:49
schestowitz	For original evidence.	Feb 27 14:50
seller_liar	schestowitz: of course , but we must receive opinions too	Feb 27 14:50
seller_liar	schestowitz: Opinion is not 100% fact , but is a good point of reflection	Feb 27 14:50
schestowitz	That's what I write about at this very moment	Feb 27 14:50
schestowitz	A leak about corruption	Feb 27 14:50
seller_liar	schestowitz: We don t need to base all everything using only facts	Feb 27 14:50
seller_liar	schestowitz: Opinions are impoant too	Feb 27 14:51
amarsh04	back in a few, loading new kernel	Feb 27 14:55
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schestowitz	seller_liar: see http://wikileaks.se/lea...	Feb 27 14:56
schestowitz	Disgusting	Feb 27 14:56
schestowitz	It's hijacked by MS shills.	Feb 27 14:56
seller_liar	schestowitz: Yes , this is very sad	Feb 27 14:57
seller_liar	schestowitz: M$ is the most crazy company I have seen	Feb 27 14:58
seller_liar	schestowitz: Microsoft needs to be exterminated of this world	Feb 27 14:58
MinceR	agreed	Feb 27 14:58
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Balrog	hey everyone	Feb 27 15:14
Balrog	they're complaining about my complaint about mono	Feb 27 15:14
Balrog	my issues aren't with it not building, but rather them shifting the blame right away to someone else instead of helping find out what's really wrong	Feb 27 15:15
Balrog	I've worked with other FOSS projects before.	Feb 27 15:15
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Balrog	schestowitz: what do you think?	Feb 27 15:15
schestowitz	I am so annoyed to read this doc	Feb 27 15:28
schestowitz	Have a look: http://wikileaks.se/leak/eu-oss-s...	Feb 27 15:28
schestowitz	Balrog: yes, I saw that. Mono's friends jump in to save the emperor	Feb 27 15:29
MinceR	any specific parts to look at?	Feb 27 15:30
Balrog	what he doesn't get is that I'm not complaining about the svn, or the bug, but rather the mentality of them	Feb 27 15:30
Balrog	a real FOSS project will help you no matter what distro you're on (you want everyone to use it, right?)	Feb 27 15:30
Balrog	also, I was trying to compile svn to test some stuff, so no, it wasn't to 'prove a point'	Feb 27 15:31
Balrog	but the response from miguel wasn't very helpful.	Feb 27 15:31
MinceR	what if it's a package manager? :)	Feb 27 15:32
MinceR	...or a distro?	Feb 27 15:32
Balrog	a package maintainer wouldn't try running svn	Feb 27 15:32
MinceR	are those not real FOSS projects? :>	Feb 27 15:32
Balrog	heh	Feb 27 15:33
Balrog	I meant those upstream of distros or package managers	Feb 27 15:33
Balrog	those that write the code for (more) critical stuff	Feb 27 15:33
Balrog	interesting that gentoo has patches for two of Mono's bugs in their tree	Feb 27 15:34
Balrog	(Mono 2.2 this is)	Feb 27 15:34
schestowitz	don't feed the mono boosters is my advise	Feb 27 15:36
schestowitz	I have reasons to suspect they are close to novell (not just geographically)	Feb 27 15:36
Balrog	well if they want to boost mono, they shouldn't act this way	Feb 27 15:36
schestowitz	MinceR: he's what you'll see	Feb 27 15:37
Balrog	really want to boost mono, that is	Feb 27 15:37
schestowitz	The anti-FOSS parts are from MS lobbyists	Feb 27 15:37
schestowitz	The whole panel is poisoned	Feb 27 15:37
schestowitz	Jonathan Zuck and other shills	Feb 27 15:37
schestowitz	It's chaos	Feb 27 15:37
Balrog	sure is.	Feb 27 15:39
MinceR	schestowitz: i mean, in the pdf you linked	Feb 27 15:39
Balrog	yeah	Feb 27 15:39
Balrog	ohh	Feb 27 15:40
Balrog	microsoft apparently killed the rest of their simulation software division	Feb 27 15:40
Balrog	first Flight Simulator (a great product btw, not something I say very much about MS products), and now the rest apparently is going	Feb 27 15:41
Balrog	http://tech.slashdot.org/article.p...	Feb 27 15:42
schestowitz	It's self explanatory	Feb 27 15:47
schestowitz	See the OSS-hotile stuff	Feb 27 15:47
schestowitz	Omissions, crossing outs..	Feb 27 15:47
schestowitz	Erwin (from OOo) is there too peddling the SAP party line.	Feb 27 15:47
schestowitz	Truly appalling.	Feb 27 15:47
MinceR	oh, i've found something	Feb 27 15:50
PetoKraus	right	Feb 27 15:52
PetoKraus	i'm gonna need a wee bit of help	Feb 27 15:52
PetoKraus	what's the state of OSS adoption in Germany?	Feb 27 15:52
PetoKraus	*FOSS	Feb 27 15:53
schestowitz	Quite OK, why?	Feb 27 16:13
MinceR	hm, is there a good summary of the state of FLOSS adoption in governments of earth?	Feb 27 16:14
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schestowitz	Wall Street is in chaos today	Feb 27 16:17
schestowitz	http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/090227/...	Feb 27 16:18
schestowitz	Watch Citigroup	Feb 27 16:18
schestowitz	$1.70	Feb 27 16:18
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schestowitz	Novell puts Linux on sale as earnings disappoint < http://news.cnet.com/8301-... >	Feb 27 16:25
schestowitz	http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=13590 "Novell’s fiscal first quarter results were a mixed bag and Linux invoices fell sharply as the company failed to sign big deals."	Feb 27 16:27
schestowitz	" [SUSE] Linux invoices fell sharpyl"	Feb 27 16:27
schestowitz	Good.	Feb 27 16:27
schestowitz	Red Hat is up	Feb 27 16:27
balzac	good news	Feb 27 16:40
schestowitz	Novell will have to announce the layoffs shortly. it's history.	Feb 27 16:41
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Omar871	Hi all	Feb 27 16:41
schestowitz	Hey there.	Feb 27 16:42
Omar871	How's it going?	Feb 27 16:43
schestowitz	Dow Jones almost in 6000s territories. The corruption is killing not only them though.	Feb 27 16:43
balzac	Roy, you're delivering good news on such a consistent basis.	Feb 27 16:43
schestowitz	balzac: : thanks, I did some Microsoft news today	Feb 27 16:43
schestowitz	Now the news that MSNBC will report though	Feb 27 16:43
balzac	Lemme check BN	Feb 27 16:43
balzac	Microsoft is about to do a core-dump in their pants	Feb 27 16:47
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schestowitz	balzac: I need your help	Feb 27 16:57
schestowitz	As always, it's done quickly and sloppily, but at least it's something I can use in the future to point at evidence (PDFs/count docs): http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/27/...	Feb 27 17:19
balzac	Roy, how can I help?	Feb 27 17:32
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schestowitz	Never mind. I wanted you to help proofread the above	Feb 27 17:43
schestowitz	There's another article now: How to Hijack an EU Open Source Strategy Paper < http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/how-... >	Feb 27 17:44
Balrog	yeah I see that	Feb 27 17:44
Balrog	mentions that if 7 gets stuck in EU antitrust court, it may be delayed	Feb 27 17:45
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schestowitz	UN anti-blasphemy measures have sinister goals, observers say < http://www.canada.com/topics/news/world/... >	Feb 27 18:30
schestowitz	"But while the draft’s sponsors say it and earlier similar measures are aimed at preventing violence against worshippers regardless of religion, religious tolerance advocates warn the resolutions are being accumulated for a more sinister goal."	Feb 27 18:30
schestowitz	http://eyaloren.org/semperwiki.html " SemperWiki is an open-source semantic personal Wiki for Gnome. It offers the usability of personal Wikis and the improved retrieval and querying of semantic Wikis. "	Feb 27 18:34
schestowitz	Government plans to keep DNA samples of innocent < http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/f... >	Feb 27 18:39
schestowitz	UK supermarkets protest against Iceland's whaling quota increase < http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/fe... >	Feb 27 18:40
schestowitz	Police in Atlanta sent to jail.:-) Atlanta police look to restore trust after drug raid killing < http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/atlan... >	Feb 27 18:41
schestowitz	balzac: http://www.tomdispatch.com/p/delavega "In this book, former federal prosecutor Elizabeth de la Vega brings her twenty years of experience and passion for justice to what may be the most important case of her career."	Feb 27 18:42
schestowitz	"The defendants are George W. Bush, Richard Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Condoleezza Rice, and Colin Powell. The crime is tricking the nation into war, or, in legal terms, conspiracy to defraud the United States. "	Feb 27 18:42
balzac	sweet	Feb 27 18:43
balzac	The investigations are about to begin	Feb 27 18:43
schestowitz	They also overthrew Aristide like a bunch of thugs (or some would say "terrorists") http://www.seattlemedium.com/news/Article...	Feb 27 18:44
balzac	the repigs are desparate	Feb 27 18:44
balzac	they know the sword of damocles is hovering above their necks	Feb 27 18:45
schestowitz	They didn't like Aristide, he had to go. The cronies in the white house own the world... :-) ... to promote democracy :-)	Feb 27 18:45
balzac	The main thing is that they don't like democracy in Haiti	Feb 27 18:46
schestowitz	Obama: "I want nuuuathing to do wit' it!"	Feb 27 18:46
balzac	well, he's doing things very carefull so far.	Feb 27 18:46
schestowitz	Democracy = give authority to the [D]emocracy (Bush and pals)	Feb 27 18:46
schestowitz	Democracy is imperialism or colonialsm. It's one of those cases where word lose their meaning and get investred	Feb 27 18:47
schestowitz	Like "liberate" <- > "invade"	Feb 27 18:47
schestowitz	"[H]e's found "a novel way of deflecting concerns" about his role in serious human rights abuses: "he has hired some of the activists abducted and beaten by his troops as campaign workers and legislative candidates." http://www.prwatch.org/node/8239	Feb 27 18:48
schestowitz	http://www.prwatch.org/node/8240 "General Motors has hired Michael Whouley, among the Democratic Party's "most respected organizers of grass-roots politics," in "a sign the company's fight for survival has become as much about politics and public image as business acumen," reports the Detroit News."	Feb 27 18:49
schestowitz	"Give us your -poor- money..."	Feb 27 18:49
schestowitz	V.President Cheney gives room for President Change and nothing changes... http://www.prwatch.org/node/8241	Feb 27 18:51
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balzac	It'll be an awesome thing for Bush and Cheney to find themselves behind bars.	Feb 27 18:56
schestowitz	Won't happen	Feb 27 18:59
schestowitz	Maybe an house arrest	Feb 27 18:59
schestowitz	The corrupt regime stays	Feb 27 18:59
schestowitz	Now they have another wave of corruption called "stimulus"	Feb 27 19:00
schestowitz	Wait until they turn the population into farmers and sell assets like Citi and GM to China..	Feb 27 19:00
balzac	It's not like you can get rid of all corruption in one political event.	Feb 27 19:00
schestowitz	They'll call it........ "the newer new deal"	Feb 27 19:00
balzac	Even after a bloody revolution, you can't get rid of all corruption in society	Feb 27 19:00
balzac	no amount of sacrifice can clear society of corruption	Feb 27 19:01
schestowitz	http://news.zdnet.com/2424-9... (Hard times hit Bangalore)	Feb 27 19:01
balzac	I don't care about corruption, I just want to see Bush and Cheney behind bars.	Feb 27 19:01
schestowitz	It will make you grin for a day. What /then/?	Feb 27 19:01
trmanco	meh, nobody replied to my FWDed email	Feb 27 19:01
schestowitz	trmanco: that's OK. They read it	Feb 27 19:01
balzac	that's good enough	Feb 27 19:02
balzac	I'm an existentialist, not a progressive	Feb 27 19:02
schestowitz	There are two many Big Criminals	Feb 27 19:02
balzac	After that, focus negativity on the next target	Feb 27 19:02
schestowitz	Cheney and Bush may be supreme examples, but that won't change enough.	Feb 27 19:02
schestowitz	In fact, now that they are not in (much) power, that won't change much anyway	Feb 27 19:03
schestowitz	They needed to be barred in 2003 when lies just about began	Feb 27 19:03
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schestowitz	Companies and countries rarely criminalise their chiefs. It's bad for their history and reputation (they also redid the image of Raegan, a corrupt cowboy who is said to have been a coward).	Feb 27 19:04
balzac	Roy, revenge is important	Feb 27 19:04
schestowitz	The only leaders to be punished as those caught by the enemy (e.g. military coup assisted by foreign nation)	Feb 27 19:04
balzac	they need to be robbed of their social status and to have their egos deflated.	Feb 27 19:04
balzac	Life in prison would work fine for that.	Feb 27 19:04
balzac	the world is getting too small to tolerate guys like Bush	Feb 27 19:05
schestowitz	They can share a booth with Tyson.	Feb 27 19:05
schestowitz	Talk about wine, ranches and stuff	Feb 27 19:05
balzac	Tyson doesn't deserve to suffer their company	Feb 27 19:05
schestowitz	:-)	Feb 27 19:05
schestowitz	Digg has had a toolbar?!? Et tu, Rose? http://www.pcworld.com/article/160359/digg_...	Feb 27 19:06
schestowitz	http://www.publicbroadcasting.net/wned/... (Obama set to end Iraq combat operations by Aug 2010)	Feb 27 19:07
schestowitz	That's like asking "will Vista 7 be out in 2010"?	Feb 27 19:07
balzac	Roy, people need to learn the value of destroying just one person, such as Bush.	Feb 27 19:07
schestowitz	It's always "next year," just like Longhorn (RIP)	Feb 27 19:08
balzac	It can do so much for society.	Feb 27 19:08
schestowitz	"President Barack Obama will announce plans to withdraw all U.S. combat forces from Iraq by August 2010, fulfilling a campaign pledge to wind down an unpopular war that divided Americans, a U.S. Congressional aide said on Thursday."	Feb 27 19:08
PetoKraus	"The global amount used by IFPI on lobbying and fighting piracy is €£75 million." -> 75M thrown out of the WindowsÃ¢âÂ¢	Feb 27 19:09
schestowitz	See what you think of http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/...	Feb 27 19:09
PetoKraus	i'll finish this week of TPB first	Feb 27 19:10
schestowitz	PetoKraus: 75M should be invested in investigators of white-collar crime, not people and their PC licences	Feb 27 19:10
PetoKraus	gimme an hour:)	Feb 27 19:10
PetoKraus	schestowitz: yes	Feb 27 19:11
PetoKraus	75M could	Feb 27 19:11
PetoKraus	fund you know	Feb 27 19:11
PetoKraus	7500 students troughout their whole study	Feb 27 19:11
PetoKraus	(partially)	Feb 27 19:11
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PetoKraus	The reason for this drop is that the number of premieres have increased but sales have decreased. File-sharing has somewhat made the market thinner.	Feb 27 19:13
PetoKraus	GOODNES's sake	Feb 27 19:13
PetoKraus	schestowitz: gimme a good film from last three years	Feb 27 19:13
trmanco	http://www.fsfeurope.org/news/200...	Feb 27 19:15
trmanco	as anubody seen that?	Feb 27 19:15
trmanco	anybody*	Feb 27 19:15
schestowitz	PetoKraus: "thinner" = "no price fixing"	Feb 27 19:15
schestowitz	They'lll need to compete against price.. based on pricing. Same as s/w	Feb 27 19:16
PetoKraus	trmanco: thanks	Feb 27 19:16
schestowitz	I watch YouTube lots	Feb 27 19:16
PetoKraus	schestowitz: anyway	Feb 27 19:16
schestowitz	I don't need stinking MAFIAA content	Feb 27 19:16
schestowitz	'Content'	Feb 27 19:16
PetoKraus	you didn't name any good film made lately	Feb 27 19:16
trmanco	you're welcome	Feb 27 19:16
schestowitz	>PetoKraus> schestowitz: gimme a good film from last three years	Feb 27 19:17
schestowitz	PetoKraus: same for song.	Feb 27 19:17
trmanco	what music genre do you guys hear?	Feb 27 19:17
schestowitz	"Beats, b*tches, and cars" is what's hot these days. Just grab some old sample from Sting or whoever.	Feb 27 19:17
PetoKraus	how the fuck are they willing to compete when they can't make a good movie	Feb 27 19:18
schestowitz	PetoKraus: some documentaries may be good, but it's not Hollywood.	Feb 27 19:18
PetoKraus	trmanco: rock. http://www.last.fm/user/PeterKraus	Feb 27 19:18
PetoKraus	schestowitz: yeah	Feb 27 19:18
*schestowitz listens to Brazilian music ATM		Feb 27 19:18
MinceR	trmanco: mostly trance, metal and video game soundtracks.	Feb 27 19:18
schestowitz	Video games... :-)	Feb 27 19:19
PetoKraus	yeah	Feb 27 19:19
PetoKraus	command and conquer	Feb 27 19:19
PetoKraus	:)	Feb 27 19:19
trmanco	I use to like rock music	Feb 27 19:19
schestowitz	I have lots from Larry	Feb 27 19:19
schestowitz	Sierra..	Feb 27 19:19
PetoKraus	trmanco: i'm not into "mainstream" rock though	Feb 27 19:19
trmanco	Now I hear trace,psy trance,house	Feb 27 19:19
PetoKraus	coldplay, rhchp... not really	Feb 27 19:19
trmanco	dance	Feb 27 19:19
schestowitz	They still make them free downloads on their site (the company is totally kaput now)	Feb 27 19:19
trmanco	old rock is kinda nice	Feb 27 19:19
trmanco	like Queen, Nirvana	Feb 27 19:20
PetoKraus	trmanco: yeah. if you take a peek trough that last fm link, you'll see	Feb 27 19:20
trmanco	I already had a peak :-P	Feb 27 19:20
PetoKraus	:) it's prog lately.	Feb 27 19:20
schestowitz	:-o "B. Patents and software / B1 From terabytes to petabytes: exclusions from patentability / Speakers: Nicholas Wallin, Withers and Rogers / Dimitris Karagiannis,University of Vienna" http://documents.epo.org/projects/babylon/epone...	Feb 27 19:21
tessier_	Patentability...I still don't get it. Software is a number. But nobody wants to admit it.	Feb 27 19:22
PetoKraus	patentability	Feb 27 19:23
PetoKraus	what's that	Feb 27 19:23
PetoKraus	is that even in the dictionary?	Feb 27 19:23
PetoKraus	i mean, seriouly	Feb 27 19:23
PetoKraus	*sly	Feb 27 19:23
PetoKraus	open the fucking oxford witchhammer edition dictionary of english language	Feb 27 19:23
PetoKraus	and find that word	Feb 27 19:23
PetoKraus	i doubt you can.	Feb 27 19:23
trmanco	http://www.zazzle.com/tuxg2_wine_t_sh...	Feb 27 19:24
PetoKraus	:/	Feb 27 19:24
MinceR	all information is just numbers :>	Feb 27 19:24
MinceR	witchhammer?	Feb 27 19:24
PetoKraus	witchhammer	Feb 27 19:25
PetoKraus	yes	Feb 27 19:25
PetoKraus	http://history.wisc.edu/sommervi...	Feb 27 19:25
PetoKraus	hammer of the witches	Feb 27 19:26
PetoKraus	it's a metaphor for huge book full.	Feb 27 19:26
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PetoKraus	*book.	Feb 27 19:27
PetoKraus	ironically enough, it had only like 100 pages	Feb 27 19:27
PetoKraus	and was pretty efficient as you may imagine	Feb 27 19:27
Omar	Hi	Feb 27 19:27
PetoKraus	hello	Feb 27 19:28
Omar	schestowitz: I like the post about Vista 7 not shipping until 2010. :)	Feb 27 19:28
MinceR	PetoKraus: oh, i thought there was an edition officially called witchhammer.	Feb 27 19:29
MinceR	that would have been cool.	Feb 27 19:29
PetoKraus	nah. it's my wrong translation :/	Feb 27 19:29
PetoKraus	we call it witchhammer in slovak... though in english it's hammer againist witches	Feb 27 19:29
PetoKraus	oh well	Feb 27 19:30
balzac	That book was used as a handbook for torturing women to death.	Feb 27 19:30
Omar	And you ya know guys? I think I've seen more than enough evidence so far that there is no need to worry about Vista 7 being a tough obstacle in front of Linux.	Feb 27 19:30
PetoKraus	well yeah	Feb 27 19:30
PetoKraus	but you know it strikes me sometimes	Feb 27 19:30
PetoKraus	today, we had a lecture (surprise surprise)	Feb 27 19:30
Omar	It's obvious. They can't even stick to their schedules, that's hilarious! :)	Feb 27 19:31
PetoKraus	and our prof uses '98 still	Feb 27 19:31
balzac	sheesh	Feb 27 19:31
Omar	0_o	Feb 27 19:31
balzac	poor old guy	Feb 27 19:31
PetoKraus	so i told my friend that until november or so Win 3.1 was still used in planes	Feb 27 19:31
tessier_	In planes?	Feb 27 19:31
PetoKraus	yeah	Feb 27 19:31
PetoKraus	like airplanes	Feb 27 19:31
tessier_	For what purpose?	Feb 27 19:31
Omar	wow,,	Feb 27 19:31
PetoKraus	in the entertainment boxes which serve you ads, movies, and plane flight information	Feb 27 19:31
balzac	jeez	Feb 27 19:31
tessier_	oh, ok.	Feb 27 19:31
PetoKraus	it's not ok, but OK :)	Feb 27 19:32
tessier_	I love it when I see Linux boot up in-flight	Feb 27 19:32
PetoKraus	anyway	Feb 27 19:32
PetoKraus	she asked me "well, what do you use then, i bet you use vista"	Feb 27 19:32
PetoKraus	i mean, i have to take into account she's a girl	Feb 27 19:32
PetoKraus	and she wanted to study archaeology	Feb 27 19:32
schestowitz	Omar: good, thanks.	Feb 27 19:33
PetoKraus	but you know, when i told her that most of the internet doesn't use windows	Feb 27 19:33
PetoKraus	she almost didn't believe me,	Feb 27 19:33
PetoKraus	well	Feb 27 19:33
Omar	PetoKraus: Of course she didn't. :)	Feb 27 19:33
PetoKraus	means i can ask her out for a glass of Wine	Feb 27 19:33
PetoKraus	:)	Feb 27 19:33
PetoKraus	she had the notion of linux being "that illegal cheap windows off the internet"	Feb 27 19:34
schestowitz	Omar: Vista7 is like Vista.	Feb 27 19:34
PetoKraus	and that she wants something pretty	Feb 27 19:34
schestowitz	It was the same befoe Vista was released	Feb 27 19:34
*PetoKraus facepalms		Feb 27 19:34
schestowitz	They inflate things using PR	Feb 27 19:34
PetoKraus	i guess i'm going to take my laptop in my school next week	Feb 27 19:34
PetoKraus	anyway	Feb 27 19:34
Omar	schestowitz: I bet it will be even worse.	Feb 27 19:34
PetoKraus	which livecd is the nicest according to you guys?	Feb 27 19:35
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PetoKraus	i'm definitely going to show her elive, i'd like to see how it works.... SLAX is very very well polished	Feb 27 19:35
*MinceR very rarely uses livecds		Feb 27 19:35
PetoKraus	i don't find ubuntu attractive	Feb 27 19:35
PetoKraus	fedora? what else?	Feb 27 19:35
MinceR	i think i still have an old kubuntu and an old knoppix around somewhere	Feb 27 19:35
schestowitz	Omar: no, it's hard to do worse than Vista	Feb 27 19:35
schestowitz	It's like ME	Feb 27 19:35
balzac	I favor debian-based distros	Feb 27 19:35
schestowitz	vs 2000	Feb 27 19:36
PetoKraus	balzac: yes but	Feb 27 19:36
PetoKraus	i need it for presentation purposes	Feb 27 19:36
schestowitz	One is sit, one is almost sht	Feb 27 19:36
MinceR	nope, they're both shit	Feb 27 19:36
PetoKraus	as my desktop is quite opposite of "nice and pretty"	Feb 27 19:36
PetoKraus	sabayon?	Feb 27 19:36
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schestowitz	Hey, fade-in	Feb 27 19:36
Omar	schestowitz: lol!	Feb 27 19:36
fade-in	'sup	Feb 27 19:36
balzac	I've got to stop trying to convince people to switch their OS	Feb 27 19:36
PetoKraus	i'm not going to try to convince her	Feb 27 19:36
schestowitz	It's about \marketing'	Feb 27 19:37
balzac	If you try, they make you struggle.	Feb 27 19:37
schestowitz	As loathed as it is.	Feb 27 19:37
PetoKraus	i'm going to fuck the idiocy out of her brain.	Feb 27 19:37
PetoKraus	i mean	Feb 27 19:37
PetoKraus	she's at uni	Feb 27 19:37
MinceR	lol	Feb 27 19:37
PetoKraus	she doesn't have any apology for being ignorant	Feb 27 19:37
balzac	"i'm going to fuck her" - Kerpal	Feb 27 19:37
PetoKraus	yeah	Feb 27 19:37
schestowitz	PetoKraus: sounds like it's more than O/S you'e after ther.e	Feb 27 19:37
PetoKraus	that's a nice by-product	Feb 27 19:37
balzac	"what did you say?" "nothing!"	Feb 27 19:37
PetoKraus	:)	Feb 27 19:37
PetoKraus	she does rowing though	Feb 27 19:38
Omar	schestowitz: Ya know? MS is confused, they don't know what they want. That's why they're postponing the release to look like they're planning for something huge, which isn't.	Feb 27 19:38
PetoKraus	i hope she doesn't carry her oar with her	Feb 27 19:38
Omar	In other words "Marketing".	Feb 27 19:39
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PetoKraus	king kong defence again!	Feb 27 19:40
MinceR	i prefer the Chewbacca defense.	Feb 27 19:41
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PetoKraus	i think you broke copyright by mentioning it	Feb 27 19:45
PetoKraus	you are, effectively, stealing	Feb 27 19:45
schestowitz	Haha!! http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?...	Feb 27 19:47
schestowitz	Yes!	Feb 27 19:47
schestowitz	ACT busted, even with links and all.	Feb 27 19:47
schestowitz	I mailed the Zuck shill about it	Feb 27 19:48
PetoKraus	oh	Feb 27 19:48
schestowitz	PetoKraus: I do rowing too	Feb 27 19:48
PetoKraus	i don't know if you saw this http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4...	Feb 27 19:48
PetoKraus	schestowitz: :)	Feb 27 19:48
PetoKraus	does it happen to you	Feb 27 19:48
schestowitz	I won trophies.	Feb 27 19:48
PetoKraus	that people mistake oar for a paddle?	Feb 27 19:48
PetoKraus	in slovak the words are very similar	Feb 27 19:48
PetoKraus	so we always made fun when someone used them the wrong way around	Feb 27 19:49
PetoKraus	and said "it doesn't matter"	Feb 27 19:49
PetoKraus	that we're going to hit him with oar instead of a paddle and he WILL know the difference :P	Feb 27 19:49
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schestowitz	For those who may be interested, I did some further analysis (independently) of this document, including some background material on ACT and other lobbying arms that are paid by Microsoft to participate: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/27/...	Feb 27 19:52
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Balrog	schestowitz: fix the link (well I will)	Feb 27 19:55
schestowitz	The Microsoft shills are already all over it with spin in Slashdot	Feb 27 19:55
Balrog	http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/27/mic...	Feb 27 19:55
schestowitz	http://slashdot.org/firehose.p...	Feb 27 19:56
Balrog	good that there's the modding system	Feb 27 19:57
Balrog	(on slashdot)	Feb 27 19:57
balzac	The problem with the software battle is that techno-illiterate people love to join the fray	Feb 27 19:58
balzac	proprietary software vendors cater their propaganda to them just like politicians rile up the dumb people.	Feb 27 19:58
balzac	we have to learn to use the techno-illiterates	Feb 27 19:59
tessier_	531015572043105936369954 is my number and you can't use it. If you give anyone else that number I will sue you for violating my copyright.	Feb 27 19:59
balzac	it requires a non-intellectual marketing campaign	Feb 27 19:59
tessier_	That number just happens to be the source code to my computer program converted to decimal.	Feb 27 19:59
tessier_	Software is math.	Feb 27 20:00
tessier_	And actually, so is all information. Including movies and music.	Feb 27 20:00
balzac	How about this - if you use apple, you're probably a woman, if you use microsoft, you can't get laid. That leaves only GNU/Linux.	Feb 27 20:00
balzac	That message is free of anything to do with technology, it attacks two competitor brands and presents free software as the only viable choice for your average man.	Feb 27 20:01
balzac	It's pretty lame, I guess.	Feb 27 20:02
balzac	It's lame because it doesn't attract women to use free software.	Feb 27 20:02
schestowitz	tessier: some people patent [patterns in numbers	Feb 27 20:03
balzac	If you use Apple, you probably also wear a hello kitty backpack	Feb 27 20:03
schestowitz	Copyrights = number	Feb 27 20:03
schestowitz	Patents = many numbers	Feb 27 20:03
schestowitz	Trademarks = name for the number	Feb 27 20:03
schestowitz	In a sense.	Feb 27 20:03
schestowitz	More like vendors and recognition, but these names too are FINITE (strings)	Feb 27 20:04
schestowitz	Logos also	Feb 27 20:04
schestowitz	Jot some little stripe and Nike will be on your back	Feb 27 20:04
schestowitz	A couple of circles and Disney might be fuming.	Feb 27 20:04
schestowitz	Just in: vista wins the fiasco awards http://www.fiascoawards.com/	Feb 27 20:05
schestowitz	See? Microsoft is still a winner	Feb 27 20:05
tessier_	Kinda like winning the Special Olympics...	Feb 27 20:05
trmanco	http://www.jankoatwarpspeed.com/post/200...	Feb 27 20:05
schestowitz	Almost 90% of "market share" ....... "WINDOWS VISTA, out of the 6.403 people voting, 5.222 considered Microsoft's Operating System a Great Fiasco."	Feb 27 20:06
schestowitz	tessier: not really. in the Olympics you have people competing for merit	Feb 27 20:06
schestowitz	Don't insult disabled people by comparing it to Vista.	Feb 27 20:07
schestowitz	Too late...' One of the most quotable lines from the Gutmann analysis sums this up perfectly as, “breaking the legs of Olympic athletes and then rating them based on how fast they can hobble on crutches.” ' http://badvista.fsf.org/blog/analysi...	Feb 27 20:07
schestowitz	More AMD Layoffs today http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/n... goner?	Feb 27 20:10
schestowitz	IT crowd does 34 days a year unpaid overtime < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/187/1... >	Feb 27 20:11
schestowitz	Wages stagnated, pressure rose over the years	Feb 27 20:11
schestowitz	THE ease tech was intended to bring.. ha	Feb 27 20:11
schestowitz	Microsoft has made only 36 changes to Windows 7 < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/18... >	Feb 27 20:16
schestowitz	British premier promises science bonanza < http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1668... >	Feb 27 20:18
amd-linux	that will not be enough to fix the remaining 2000 bugs: http://www.daniweb.com/blogs/entry4050.html	Feb 27 20:18
schestowitz	Yes, I know	Feb 27 20:18
schestowitz	They spin the rush	Feb 27 20:19
amd-linux	although me thinks they would be well served if there really would be only 2000 bugs....	Feb 27 20:19
schestowitz	The biggers delay tells that they worry about the next report (April) because people stay away from Vista like it's the plague	Feb 27 20:19
schestowitz	Had VIsta been acceptable, Windows sales would not go down	Feb 27 20:19
schestowitz	They now sell $0 Windows XP	Feb 27 20:20
schestowitz	The new slogan is "buy VIsta NOW"... upgrade it ti 7 some time "alter"	Feb 27 20:20
schestowitz	*later	Feb 27 20:20
amd-linux	I think they do not only "sell" for 0 USD but give kickbacks, so actually they pay..... for XP	Feb 27 20:20
schestowitz	They scare people by saying that XP won't upgrade well to Vista7	Feb 27 20:20
schestowitz	Which is tactless because they drive people to Linux by saying it	Feb 27 20:21
amd-linux	most windows user dont care if there is no upgrade path - they are used to reinstall every 4 weeks :-)	Feb 27 20:21
schestowitz	'Vista Capable' plaintiffs try to resurrect class-action status < http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Plaintiffs_try... >	Feb 27 20:26
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schestowitz	People pay to bail out newspapers from their own incompetence: http://www.ecommercetimes.com/story/6629... "Journalists will likely study new ways of telling stories and new ways of delivering content, and perhaps get some training in using software	Feb 27 20:31
schestowitz	"Blake Jorgensen, Yahoo's chief financial officer, said today that the company is open to a search partnership with Microsoft, but that such a deal would be complex to implement from a technology standpoint." http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sf...	Feb 27 20:37
schestowitz	http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/... (Digg to Take On StumbleUpon and TinyURL?)	Feb 27 20:45
schestowitz	Using International Fear to Steal Our Freedom < http://organizedexploitation.blogspot.com/2009/0... >	Feb 27 20:46
schestowitz	http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/archiv... (Microsoft might sell $3 billion in debt over next 6 months)	Feb 27 20:53
schestowitz	Caribbeans littered by US navy.. http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/science/02/26/u... "Hundreds of corroding and unexploded bombs litter the sea floor, leaking toxins and taking a toll on nearby marine life. The munitions were left by the U.S. Navy, which had a training site on Vieques for six decades."	Feb 27 21:22
PetoKraus	schestowitz: mind asking you a question?	Feb 27 21:24
PetoKraus	have any info about FOSS adoption in Germany?	Feb 27 21:24
PetoKraus	past or present...	Feb 27 21:24
schestowitz	You do a project on it..?	Feb 27 21:25
PetoKraus	no	Feb 27 21:25
PetoKraus	the girl i was talking about is german	Feb 27 21:25
PetoKraus	:D	Feb 27 21:25
PetoKraus	i guess the best way to tell her i'm not lying is point out what's happening in her own country	Feb 27 21:26
PetoKraus	especially since britain is not the most FOSS positive country there is	Feb 27 21:26
PetoKraus	i thought there was a city hall which was migrating	Feb 27 21:26
PetoKraus	i can't remember where was it... stuttgart?	Feb 27 21:27
schestowitz	http://www.heise.de/english/newsti... (Google asks to be exploited!)	Feb 27 21:27
schestowitz	Munich for starters.	Feb 27 21:27
PetoKraus	i'll look into that	Feb 27 21:27
schestowitz	Some regions moved to Linux entirely.	Feb 27 21:28
schestowitz	Hold on.	Feb 27 21:28
schestowitz	German Federal Government to Support ODF http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2008/1...	Feb 27 21:28
schestowitz	German Green MEP says Microsoft should be excluded from EU contract awarding procedure http://www.heise.de/english/newstick...	Feb 27 21:28
schestowitz	DE: German Foreign Ministry will not use ISO OOXML http://ec.europa.eu/idabc/en/doc...	Feb 27 21:29
schestowitz	German county adopts OpenOffice.org http://blogs.sun.com/dancer/entry/germa...	Feb 27 21:29
schestowitz	German penal institutions looking into OpenOffice.org http://ooomarketing.blogspot.com/2008/02/german-pe...	Feb 27 21:29
schestowitz	[German] Federal Employment Office switches to Linux http://www.heise.de/english/new...	Feb 27 21:29
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schestowitz	3German government plans to use open document formats in its administration http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker...	Feb 27 21:30
schestowitz	German parliament plans to pursue open source strategy further http://www.heise.de/english/news...	Feb 27 21:30
schestowitz	City of Munich is looking for additional Linux specialists (technical system integration) http://www.marsmenschen.com/index.php/2006/12/22/city-o...	Feb 27 21:30
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zuza	Hello	Feb 27 21:56
zuza	I can't get why that Novell-MS marriage is that dangerous. If it is why people cant't just drop SUSE?	Feb 27 21:59
schestowitz	Hey	Feb 27 21:59
tessier_	zuza: Why can't people just drop MS?	Feb 27 22:00
schestowitz	zuza: people can drop it.	Feb 27 22:00
zuza	I could.	Feb 27 22:00
zuza	Anyway I can't get how does the Novell-MS story is related to personal choice.	Feb 27 22:01
zuza	So what is the threat?	Feb 27 22:03
schestowitz	Mostly patents and strategy	Feb 27 22:04
schestowitz	Novell is helping Microsoft now	Feb 27 22:04
schestowitz	And vice versa in fact	Feb 27 22:04
schestowitz	Novell is more closely tied to Microsoft to to FOSS/Linux	Feb 27 22:04
schestowitz	I'm doing a post about it at the very moment in fact	Feb 27 22:04
zuza	The only threat that is easy for me to understeand is legislation as long as patent goes.	Feb 27 22:05
zuza	Ok, will read it.	Feb 27 22:06
zuza	Well, is it a must to cooperate with FOSS?	Feb 27 22:06
schestowitz	Done :-) http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/27/nove...	Feb 27 22:11
schestowitz	zuza: I write about patents too. Novell is not helping.	Feb 27 22:12
zuza	Oh, I remeber there was some isu that MS was licensing FAT and it was said that MS did not have rights to keep doing it (however there was no regulation to make MS give the money back). I don't know how did that story ended.	Feb 27 22:21
zuza	issue*	Feb 27 22:21
schestowitz	zuza: yes, I will do a post about it	Feb 27 22:21
schestowitz	It was made invalid in Germany	Feb 27 22:22
schestowitz	OT: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/... "Cool, GullFOSS is top 1 on blogs.sun.com"	Feb 27 22:22
schestowitz	Federal Patent Court declares FAT patent of Microsoft null and void < http://www.heise.de/english/newsti... >thanks, zoobab01	Feb 27 22:22
zuza	Ok, but the threat is legislation not MS nor Novell.	Feb 27 22:26
schestowitz	http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/22375... "But the firm's employees have also been braced for further job cuts after an initial 100 cuts were announced earlier this month."	Feb 27 22:26
schestowitz	This suggests that indeed more layoffs are coming.	Feb 27 22:26
schestowitz	zuza: who do you think drives legislation?	Feb 27 22:27
schestowitz	Case of point from today: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/27/m...	Feb 27 22:27
zuza	Those who had been voted for. :-)	Feb 27 22:27
schestowitz	Dell Records 48 Percent Drop in Net Income < http://www.pcworld.com/article/160327/dell_rec... >	Feb 27 22:27
MinceR	In Soviet Russia, government controls business. In Soviet America, it's the other way around!	Feb 27 22:28
schestowitz	zuza: not true	Feb 27 22:28
schestowitz	They are pushes around by corporations	Feb 27 22:28
schestowitz	*pushed	Feb 27 22:28
schestowitz	MinceR: Soviet America?? USSA?	Feb 27 22:28
MinceR	the USian voting system is very far from optimal	Feb 27 22:28
MinceR	schestowitz: :)	Feb 27 22:28
zuza	Soviet Union, European Union, American Union... any one cares? ;-)	Feb 27 22:29
MinceR	:)	Feb 27 22:29
zuza	Ok, I understand there are pushes, but these pushes exist because there are "pushable" people. Am i Wrong?	Feb 27 22:30
MinceR	most people are prone to corruption	Feb 27 22:31
zuza	All people are.	Feb 27 22:31
MinceR	at least most living people are	Feb 27 22:31
zuza	But it is not MS fault that they are using it (if they really do) and abusing it (if they really do).	Feb 27 22:32
zuza	it = being prone to corruption	Feb 27 22:32
MinceR	bribery committed by m$ is m$'s fault	Feb 27 22:32
zuza	no it is not	Feb 27 22:32
zuza	MS corp is the copany seeking for gains	Feb 27 22:32
MinceR	by what twisted logic is it not?	Feb 27 22:33
zuza	they use any oportunity	Feb 27 22:33
MinceR	well, that's unethical, immoral and unacceptable	Feb 27 22:33
schestowitz	zuza: to corrupt?	Feb 27 22:33
schestowitz	That may be true.	Feb 27 22:33
MinceR	operating in the name of a corporation is no excuse for immoral actions	Feb 27 22:33
zuza	I say that the system that allows such things is twisted	Feb 27 22:33
schestowitz	They are innocent... just tempted to bribe.	Feb 27 22:33
MinceR	and i say that it is m$ that takes advantage of that possibility	Feb 27 22:33
schestowitz	zuza: no enforcement maybe	Feb 27 22:34
MinceR	zuza: if i said i were tempted (by the possibility) to beat you senseless and take your money, would you consider me innocent?	Feb 27 22:34
zuza	Look, but is there any need to create and keep "the system" that allows that kind of actions?	Feb 27 22:34
MinceR	not really	Feb 27 22:35
schestowitz	Oh dear. They want to kill some more people now? http://www.pcworld.com/article/160355/microsoft_ex... Didn't they learn from those English hospitals that became zombies?	Feb 27 22:35
MinceR	it's a corrupt system maintained by a corrupt species	Feb 27 22:35
schestowitz	This is also lockin on people's PERSONAL medical data, i.e. matter of life or death	Feb 27 22:35
schestowitz	This smacks of corrupted officials handing over control of life to a crooked company that's close to Bush.	Feb 27 22:36
zuza	ok, ok, I'm just trying to understand the whole issue as well.	Feb 27 22:36
schestowitz	MinceR: I have some solutions	Feb 27 22:36
MinceR	as do i	Feb 27 22:36
schestowitz	First -- more wikileaks like facilities	Feb 27 22:36
MinceR	but i suspect you wouldn't like my solutions :>	Feb 27 22:36
schestowitz	Then, offer taxpayers money as reard to whsistleblower	Feb 27 22:36
schestowitz	*blowers	Feb 27 22:37
MinceR	my solution involves killing evil people.	Feb 27 22:37
zuza	The system that allows the corruption simply makes a corruption an ordinary tool for keeping everyday businesses	Feb 27 22:37
schestowitz	Make a society where everyone can snitch... make it transparent	Feb 27 22:37
schestowitz	People would be scared to make a move because they would get caught	Feb 27 22:37
schestowitz	MinceR: I know your soluitons	Feb 27 22:37
schestowitz	No fires please	Feb 27 22:37
MinceR	i like fires. :>	Feb 27 22:37
schestowitz	Oh dear.	Feb 27 22:38
schestowitz	Fury beats fire	Feb 27 22:38
schestowitz	Puts a new meaning on the phrase "fire this man"	Feb 27 22:38
MinceR	they're compatible	Feb 27 22:38
MinceR	:)	Feb 27 22:38
schestowitz	If they do something bad that is	Feb 27 22:38
MinceR	"build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day. set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."	Feb 27 22:38
schestowitz	Sacked means they get... well, put in a sack?!?!	Feb 27 22:38
MinceR	nah, not for anything bad	Feb 27 22:39
schestowitz	Laid off... well, poor them... maybe you'll have them laid.	Feb 27 22:39
zuza	(- Fire at will!, - Where is Will?)	Feb 27 22:39
MinceR	but for evils on ballmer's and gates' level, i wouldn't hesitate much	Feb 27 22:39
MinceR	zuza: lol	Feb 27 22:39
schestowitz	MinceR: sick stuff.	Feb 27 22:39
zuza	Will, Bill whatever...	Feb 27 22:39
zuza	;-)	Feb 27 22:39
schestowitz	MinceR: they'll be replaced by others	Feb 27 22:40
MinceR	i'd ask them what do they have to say for themselves, but i doubt they would have anything	Feb 27 22:40
schestowitz	You don't resolved by eliminating	Feb 27 22:40
MinceR	schestowitz: well, eventually we'll run out of assholes	Feb 27 22:40
schestowitz	Humans are similar creatured	Feb 27 22:40
schestowitz	Don't expect dissimilar actions from future gens	Feb 27 22:40
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MinceR	not all humans are	Feb 27 22:40
MinceR	also, education can work, at least at an early age	Feb 27 22:40
schestowitz	It's not even Darwinism by fire, so to speak	Feb 27 22:40
mib_9w7zzd	ok ok what is all thing about 2012	Feb 27 22:41
zuza	MinceR: in the corrupted (becuse they are corruptable) systems typically with high taxes, there are lots of black workers. Is being a black worker immoral?	Feb 27 22:41
schestowitz	It's better to make a radically transparent system	Feb 27 22:41
MinceR	as soon as we stop locking children of slightly different age categories together so that the older ones can teach the younger ones to be nasty	Feb 27 22:41
schestowitz	People like Glyn Moody are in favbour	Feb 27 22:41
schestowitz	Make politics a looking glass.	Feb 27 22:41
MinceR	zuza: that's irrelevant to the question	Feb 27 22:41
schestowitz	Public visibility atop everything.	Feb 27 22:41
zuza	MinceR: it is not the issue of being or not moral (or immoral) whatever.	Feb 27 22:41
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schestowitz	And whistle blowers everywhere too.	Feb 27 22:41
zuza	The same goes for the system that is corruptable by default.	Feb 27 22:42
zuza	Corruption is like the air to our lungs.	Feb 27 22:42
schestowitz	Not really.	Feb 27 22:43
zuza	Corruptions makes that kind of system breathing.	Feb 27 22:43
MinceR	zuza: why is your black worker a black worker?	Feb 27 22:43
schestowitz	zuza: it's not a racial issue	Feb 27 22:43
zuza	If there was no corruption (in a corruptable system) it would ceased to be.	Feb 27 22:43
schestowitz	Though colonialism is a disgrace and it's everywhere	Feb 27 22:43
schestowitz	Even slavery is still around... wage slavery being one example	Feb 27 22:43
schestowitz	Patents facilitate colonialism	Feb 27 22:43
schestowitz	"I own this /idea/, but you can't because I'm richer than you"	Feb 27 22:44
schestowitz	This isn't food	Feb 27 22:44
schestowitz	It's ideas, it's maths	Feb 27 22:44
MinceR	zuza: it is impossible to set up a legal system with no loopholes	Feb 27 22:44
zuza	schestowitz: I stick to metaphors not colonial, racial or whateve stuff.	Feb 27 22:44
zuza	Night is dark.	Feb 27 22:44
MinceR	it is also impossible to legislate morality	Feb 27 22:44
schestowitz	Maybe this endless greed that has the economy spiraling down the tube will bring some needed change	Feb 27 22:44
zuza	People were afraid of nigth (dark, black, whatever)	Feb 27 22:45
MinceR	even though that's the alleged goal of legal systems	Feb 27 22:45
zuza	thus associacion	Feb 27 22:45
schestowitz	People whine about loss of money, but production of basics can stay the same	Feb 27 22:45
schestowitz	Just not luxurie.s	Feb 27 22:45
schestowitz	And colonislism	Feb 27 22:45
MinceR	(well, in the better case --- the worst case is when it admittedly exists for its own sake)	Feb 27 22:45
zuza	geee	Feb 27 22:45
zuza	Ok: is it immoral to work out side of tax system?	Feb 27 22:45
schestowitz	zuza: animal instinct, like vertigo.	Feb 27 22:46
MinceR	depends on what the tax system, how it works and for whose benefit	Feb 27 22:46
MinceR	but i think that it would be better to abolish the state, and with it the tax system.	Feb 27 22:46
zuza	schestowitz: are you sayin tha you are something better than an animal?!	Feb 27 22:46
schestowitz	zuza: go ahead police 13-y-o babysitters	Feb 27 22:46
MinceR	it's just a formalized and particularly efficient form of armed robbery.	Feb 27 22:46
MinceR	zuza: we're all animals -- multicellular, heterotrophic eukaryotes.	Feb 27 22:47
MinceR	with no cell walls.	Feb 27 22:47
zuza	And patents contribute to it 9at least the way they are at the moment)	Feb 27 22:48
schestowitz	Apple Cracks Down on Emoji Apps < http://www.pcworld.com/article/160370/a... > iPhone ->theirPhone	Feb 27 22:49
zuza	Simple there are the people who claim to regulate things, so it is obvious for people (who have money and want to earn) who should theu stick to.	Feb 27 22:49
schestowitz	zuza: we can make banking practical (past corrupt bankers), so why not social operations?	Feb 27 22:50
zuza	If there was no group of people who can create/refgulate patent laws there would be no bribery by MS, Novell, or whoever.	Feb 27 22:50
schestowitz	If the banking system was like IT procurement, money would be lost & found in your account every other week	Feb 27 22:50
schestowitz	But banks tend to keep track of accounts properly	Feb 27 22:50
MinceR	zuza: why should they stick to anyone, especially those people?	Feb 27 22:50
schestowitz	In procurement, corruption drives choice?	Feb 27 22:50
zuza	schestowitz: could you reaxplain? (not sure If I got the idea)	Feb 27 22:51
schestowitz	Why is that? Maybe social protocols?	Feb 27 22:51
schestowitz	We're too vulnerable to social engineering (corruption), so it's time for a rethink	Feb 27 22:51
schestowitz	zuza: maybe processes have contraints and monitorting	Feb 27 22:51
schestowitz	As a teller at a bank you can't 'steal' money from the register. Why?	Feb 27 22:52
zuza	There is no money in the register?	Feb 27 22:53
schestowitz	What utter BS... 10 Reasons to Avoid Office 2007 < http://www.pcworld.com/article/16... > "Upgrading is inevitable............" HUH???	Feb 27 22:53
schestowitz	zuza: no, you'll be caught pretty fast	Feb 27 22:53
MinceR	well, support will end	Feb 27 22:53
schestowitz	And you can move to better s/w	Feb 27 22:53
MinceR	some people will be reluctant to do so	Feb 27 22:53
schestowitz	But IDG mentality is: MS version x or MS version X+1	Feb 27 22:53
schestowitz	Or: MS product 1; MS product 2	Feb 27 22:54
MinceR	they deceive themselves into thinking that m$ crap is better than everything else	Feb 27 22:54
schestowitz	Or: MS edition X and MS edition Y (e.g. VIsta)	Feb 27 22:54
schestowitz	The illusion of choice. Embrace the logic.	Feb 27 22:54
zuza	schestowitz: I lose the point.	Feb 27 22:54
schestowitz	Decisions, decisions... jail or prison?	Feb 27 22:54
MinceR	:D	Feb 27 22:54
schestowitz	zuza: there are social protocols.	Feb 27 22:55
schestowitz	Also organisational one	Feb 27 22:55
zuza	Ok. I get the example, but I lose the point.	Feb 27 22:55
schestowitz	*ones	Feb 27 22:55
zuza	Ok, the other way "what are that "social protocols"?	Feb 27 22:55
schestowitz	Why not ensure you crack down on SweatyB bribing people in Hungary for a deal?	Feb 27 22:55
schestowitz	Using OOXML favours, back room promises, etc.	Feb 27 22:55
schestowitz	That's what tenders are for, but they are not constrained or monitored, thus corruot	Feb 27 22:56
zuza	But why not to fight against that system that keeps that "briberyable" people at Hungary?	Feb 27 22:56
zuza	Getting rid of MS will not solve the problem.	Feb 27 22:56
schestowitz	Blech. IDG is so infatuated with advertisers (Apple, MS) these days...	Feb 27 22:57
MinceR	the people maintain the system	Feb 27 22:57
schestowitz	zuza: that's right, it won;t	Feb 27 22:57
MinceR	most human beings are evil and stupid, they want a leadership, they want opression	Feb 27 22:57
schestowitz	zuza: find the people, find the corrupt system	Feb 27 22:57
schestowitz	BN slammed ISO a lot	Feb 27 22:57
zuza	MinceR: all, alll, all. We are not better. :-)	Feb 27 22:57
schestowitz	Even their Wikipedia page got BNed	Feb 27 22:57
MinceR	and until that thinking changes, systems like the ones we've always had will always come up	Feb 27 22:57
MinceR	the thinking of people must be changed for the situation to get any better	Feb 27 22:57
MinceR	then we can get rid of the state	Feb 27 22:58
zuza	"always"?!	Feb 27 22:58
schestowitz	yES	Feb 27 22:58
schestowitz	You need to name people	Feb 27 22:58
schestowitz	ISO has no feelings	Feb 27 22:58
schestowitz	People in ISO do	Feb 27 22:58
schestowitz	Find the crooks	Feb 27 22:58
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MinceR	and some people will always be resistant to this	Feb 27 22:58
MinceR	thus, they'll have to be eliminated	Feb 27 22:58
schestowitz	Likewise in Microsoft	Feb 27 22:58
zuza	Oh, a couple of ages ago it was pretty acceptable, wasn't it? ;-)	Feb 27 22:58
schestowitz	"MS sucks" won't offend anyone	Feb 27 22:58
MinceR	we have the luxury of choice, with the overpopulation problem we're having	Feb 27 22:58
zuza	errr: WHAT?!	Feb 27 22:59
schestowitz	Showing leaked E-mails where they break the law might put them in cuffs in a land where corruption is not a standard	Feb 27 22:59
zuza	over what?!	Feb 27 22:59
schestowitz	So people in the EU can see what Microsoft people do and then choose to boycott these companies	Feb 27 22:59
oiaohm	http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-so... This might strain Novell and MS releations.	Feb 27 22:59
zuza	oh, of course not	Feb 27 22:59
zuza	EU is asking for a nice bribe. :-)	Feb 27 22:59
oiaohm	Thinking Novell has agree to provide legal support to the Linux Foundation.	Feb 27 23:00
schestowitz	oiaohm: thanks, seen it	Feb 27 23:00
schestowitz	Bit Novell is with MS	Feb 27 23:00
schestowitz	"peace of mind" and all	Feb 27 23:00
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schestowitz	Mr. "respect Microsoft" Zemlin, eh?	Feb 27 23:00
oiaohm	Linux foundation has the money to out last Microsoft.	Feb 27 23:01
oiaohm	To be correct with MS current share price they have the money to buy MS out completely.	Feb 27 23:02
oiaohm	So how I think MS is going to back off.	Feb 27 23:02
schestowitz	They have IV	Feb 27 23:02
schestowitz	the trolls of their own	Feb 27 23:02
schestowitz	Linux Foundation is a front for IBM et al	Feb 27 23:02
schestowitz	Call it "kernel foundation"	Feb 27 23:02
oiaohm	IBM HP DELL	Feb 27 23:02
oiaohm	Yep OS boycott from them would kinda kill MS.	Feb 27 23:03
schestowitz	They are already troubles	Feb 27 23:03
schestowitz	VistaX delayed	Feb 27 23:03
schestowitz	*troubled	Feb 27 23:03
oiaohm	IBM HP and DELL take it in turn to provide the kernel foundation with hardware.	Feb 27 23:03
schestowitz	Bruce Schneier writes for MSBBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/techno...	Feb 27 23:03
zuza	errr, they say its going to be delivered by the end of this year	Feb 27 23:04
oiaohm	Sun also throws in paid for and not picked up orders.	Feb 27 23:04
schestowitz	"With a title like that, I hope you're not expecting this post to be light reading. I'm also blindly assuming that you have at least a passing familiarity with the concepts of Objectivism and the ÃÅbermensch." http://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?...	Feb 27 23:06
schestowitz	zuza: na-ah!	Feb 27 23:06
oiaohm	Note before IBM HP and DELL took turns with hardware support to the Kernel foundation. Poor kernel foundation end up with 4 truck loads of stuff with no where to put it.	Feb 27 23:07
zuza	Hence, people confuse Nitsche works with his sister's works I do nto know where I should go in to that discussion. ;-)	Feb 27 23:08
zuza	http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comm...	Feb 27 23:10
zuza	the same goes for "black workesr" and other stuff.	Feb 27 23:11
zuza	what kind of idiot told you that "black workesr" is the result of colonialism?!	Feb 27 23:11
schestowitz	LOL "Laughter filled The Pirate Bay trial here Wednesday when John Kennedy, the chief executive of the International Federation of Phonographic Industries, testified that people would have purchased every music track they got free file sharing. " http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2...	Feb 27 23:12
zuza	(the term I mean)	Feb 27 23:12
schestowitz	zuza: me??	Feb 27 23:12
zuza	If it was not for that channel I would never come to that association	Feb 27 23:13
schestowitz	Why this association?	Feb 27 23:14
schestowitz	I just posted something from a Linux sites I saw	Feb 27 23:14
zuza	Oh, I mean "black" refering to "Afroamericans" and "Afroafricans"	Feb 27 23:14
schestowitz	I didn't bring this up	Feb 27 23:15
zuza	oh, whatever (it was MinceR I guess)	Feb 27 23:15
MinceR	oh	Feb 27 23:15
MinceR	i thought you meant unregistered, illegal workers	Feb 27 23:16
zuza	I just saw that again "Nitsche" is not Nitsche so there was another issue of the kind	Feb 27 23:16
zuza	And I did.	Feb 27 23:16
MinceR	Nietzsche? :>	Feb 27 23:16
zuza	It was his sister in fact	Feb 27 23:16
zuza	Who produce all that things which are associated with his name.	Feb 27 23:17
schestowitz	Good for Linux (servers reuse to increase): http://www.serverwatch.com/stats...	Feb 27 23:17
schestowitz	zuza: read that post. It's actually about something else.	Feb 27 23:18
zuza	I am lost in fact.	Feb 27 23:18
zuza	My main reason for chatting here is to understand why MS-Novl is evil.	Feb 27 23:19
schestowitz	Could Microsoft be trying to acquire TomTom? http://blogs.computerworld.com/could_mi...	Feb 27 23:20
schestowitz	zuza: yes, we got distracted	Feb 27 23:20
schestowitz	Novell's deal is bad because Microsoft and Novell fight against Free software	Feb 27 23:20
zuza	If you live in a country where they pay you for your ass and you have no choice you can die.	Feb 27 23:20
schestowitz	They turn it to something else and help Microsoft as long as money is shared among the two	Feb 27 23:21
zuza	schestowitz: into what?	Feb 27 23:21
schestowitz	'mixed source' is one thing	Feb 27 23:22
schestowitz	Another is stuff that's build with Mirosoft's so-called IP	Feb 27 23:22
schestowitz	So it's Microsoft 'leading' FOSS	Feb 27 23:22
schestowitz	And Microsoft taxing it	Feb 27 23:22
schestowitz	And letting it be something secondary	Feb 27 23:22
schestowitz	windows is a dinosaur	Feb 27 23:22
schestowitz	Mcirosoft pays Novell to turn Linux into a dinosaur too	Feb 27 23:22
oiaohm	Linux kernel is a dinosaur in places.	Feb 27 23:23
oiaohm	Lot of them being fix at moment.	Feb 27 23:23
oiaohm	NT good design poor implementation.	Feb 27 23:23
schestowitz	Microsoft's main shill in the UK is attacking FOSS: Open source is years behind commercial products, says Socitm president < http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2009/02/... >	Feb 27 23:23
schestowitz	That's the guy behind the Get the Facts roadshow	Feb 27 23:24
schestowitz	First the Microsoft buddies from Fortify	Feb 27 23:24
schestowitz	Now this.	Feb 27 23:24
zuza	hey, why MS and Novell have no right to fight against free software?	Feb 27 23:24
zuza	(let's assume they do)	Feb 27 23:25
oiaohm	MS has the right to.	Feb 27 23:26
oiaohm	The question is it wise.	Feb 27 23:26
oiaohm	Almost every hardware maker they depend on is part of the Linux Foundation.	Feb 27 23:26
zuza	as we are seeing money (the paper) is loosing trust in its value (no more gold into money conversion)	Feb 27 23:27
zuza	and... I guess the opens source is some kind of demand	Feb 27 23:27
zuza	no money, but there is some kind of value	Feb 27 23:27
zuza	so all in all whatever "open source folks" produce is a rival to what MS produces	Feb 27 23:28
zuza	value vs. value	Feb 27 23:28
zuza	the war goes at corruptable theatre	Feb 27 23:28
oiaohm	Hardware guys want to sell hardware.	Feb 27 23:29
oiaohm	They really don't give a crap about the OS on it.	Feb 27 23:29
oiaohm	Other than cheeper the better.	Feb 27 23:29
zuza	I would say it is not what ones sell, but it is what others are willing to buy.	Feb 27 23:30
zuza	(To be honest I can't understand the idea of mixed source at all - ok, ok, I read the definition a few times).	Feb 27 23:31
oiaohm	MS idea	Feb 27 23:32
oiaohm	Most people don't run pure open source machines.	Feb 27 23:32
oiaohm	that is the way it is.	Feb 27 23:32
oiaohm	People don't run pure closed either.	Feb 27 23:32
oiaohm	So MS says it Mixed source.	Feb 27 23:32
oiaohm	Difference here Open Source OS is talking about the core of the OS being open.	Feb 27 23:33
schestowitz	zuza:http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php... "DO NOT partner with Microsoft ! "	Feb 27 23:33
schestowitz	See context too	Feb 27 23:33
zuza	Oh, I guess I meant that I can't get the idea of developing a mixed source product.	Feb 27 23:33
schestowitz	http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_stor... "Glad to see people are wise to Novell's dumb business decisions and are avoiding them like the plague. Stick with Red Hat or Canonical and you will be much better off."	Feb 27 23:33
zuza	isn't Red hat doing som virtualisation business with MS lately?	Feb 27 23:34
schestowitz	"Hey! Novell look at Redhat and Ubuntu. They are doing well and did not take bribe money from Microsoft. " http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php...	Feb 27 23:34
schestowitz	zuza: yes	Feb 27 23:34
schestowitz	Without patents	Feb 27 23:34
zuza	OK, al goes wrong Novell kills SUSE as a project. But I can't understand the threat.	Feb 27 23:35
schestowitz	zuza: many good comments about Novell's poor results, I suggest you read 'em: http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_s...	Feb 27 23:36
zuza	for open source.	Feb 27 23:36
schestowitz	it's s not just us	Feb 27 23:36
schestowitz	LinuxToday has many 10s of 1000s of readers and they dislike NOVL too	Feb 27 23:36
schestowitz	http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story... "Novell seems like Sun, sometimes they like open source software and Linux, other times they wish the open source and Linux never existed....."	Feb 27 23:38
oiaohm	Sun is diffent to Nvell	Feb 27 23:40
oiaohm	Novell	Feb 27 23:40
oiaohm	Sun can make a profit without a software side.	Feb 27 23:40
schestowitz	Yes	Feb 27 23:41
schestowitz	Could.	Feb 27 23:41
schestowitz	Sun is now liaising with HP	Feb 27 23:41
oiaohm	Sun has a fairly strong hardware side.	Feb 27 23:44
oiaohm	What does Novell have that is strong.	Feb 27 23:44
schestowitz	It's still trying to find out	Feb 27 23:46
zuza	Wordperfect story with MS Corp. ;-)	Feb 27 23:46
schestowitz	It tries security... identity..	Feb 27 23:46
schestowitz	zuza: that's on the ice pretty much	Feb 27 23:46
zuza	It was my first guess when I heard of MS-Novell deal	Feb 27 23:47
zuza	As it might bee cheaper to buy Novell thhan to put things to trial.	Feb 27 23:47
zuza	(solved by trial)	Feb 27 23:48
schestowitz	Advogato, Twitter, MySpace, Facebook, Digg, Reddit, Flickr, Linkedin, helpmeee!! < http://blog.linuxtoday.com/blog/2009/02/... >	Feb 27 23:48
zuza	SO weakening Novl is one thing, but still I can't get the threat to open source (ok, I looked through that links and comments)	Feb 27 23:49
zuza	schestowitz: err, what does it mean "on the ice"? kehem "hot? (lol ;-) )	Feb 27 23:49
schestowitz	No Word about it [pun	Feb 27 23:50
*schestowitz thinks he gets a mild headache this evening		Feb 27 23:52
zuza	is a mild headache like being half pregnant?	Feb 27 23:52
MinceR	Word -- Write letterz n' shit, yo.	Feb 27 23:52
MinceR	gn	Feb 27 23:53
schestowitz	Wooord!	Feb 27 23:55
schestowitz	http://comakid.files.wordpress.co...	Feb 27 23:55
schestowitz	zuza: no, just a sign that I need to make some tea! :-)	Feb 27 23:55
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zuza	Orange pekoe has been sucking lately in my nearby area. ;-)	Feb 27 23:56
schestowitz	I see.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Pekoe	Feb 27 23:57
schestowitz	Had to look it up..	Feb 27 23:57
zuza	Ah, I have got a question about mixed source that i can't understand as well. :-)	Feb 27 23:59

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