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| _Hicham_ | is there anyone in here? | Apr 06 00:40 |
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| _Hicham_ | Balrog_ : did u rip ur DVDs? | Apr 06 01:05 |
| Balrog_ | it's not something I'm doing right now...more of a long-term thing :) | Apr 06 01:06 |
| _Hicham_ | do just want to write a C/C++ program? | Apr 06 01:12 |
| Balrog_ | whatever dumps video_ts | Apr 06 01:14 |
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| NeonFloss | I bet you guys are happy about http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-102... | Apr 06 05:16 |
| NeonFloss | :( | Apr 06 05:16 |
| oiaohm | EEP | Apr 06 05:21 |
| oiaohm | Hopefully google ibm group beat MS there NeonFloss | Apr 06 05:23 |
| NeonFloss | Apr 06 05:23 | |
| dsmith_ | reading that article makes me envision hospital 'tapping' a whore | Apr 06 05:24 |
| oiaohm | Google and IBM are building a joint medical record storage solution. | Apr 06 05:24 |
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| schestowitz | Morning. | Apr 06 06:21 |
| DaemonFC | I think I just walked into a big fat Linux bug | Apr 06 06:21 |
| DaemonFC | XFS_IOC_SWAPEXT failed: ino=1614337296: Invalid argument | Apr 06 06:22 |
| DaemonFC | I get those on some inodes when I run xfs_fsr | Apr 06 06:22 |
| DaemonFC | just started with 2.6.29.1 | Apr 06 06:22 |
| schestowitz | My hard drive's a mess.... /home/roy/Main/Misc/BU/More_computers/ Programs-2nd-partition/PC-Side-Software/DOS/Arj/ARJ.EXE | Apr 06 06:23 |
| DaemonFC | I may just end up using git kernels til I figure out what the hell is going on | Apr 06 06:24 |
| DaemonFC | or I may just snag the 61 odd XFS patches and apply them to my stable kernel source | Apr 06 06:24 |
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| schestowitz | What is this..? Is Europe becoming a nation? Blair steps up fight to be crowned first 'President of EU' < http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/eu... > | Apr 06 06:50 |
| schestowitz | Wales is taking all the credit for Wikipedia :-( http://blog.citizendium.org/2009/04... | Apr 06 06:52 |
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| schestowitz | Sun-IBM Merger Talks Collapse < http://www.enterprisestorageforu... > It would be bad if Sun sold to a company like Fujitsu. | Apr 06 07:16 |
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| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301... (Google uncloaks once-secret server) | Apr 06 07:23 |
| schestowitz | IBM Talks Teeter as Sun Board Splits < http://online.wsj.com/article/SB... >; I.B.M. Withdraws Offer for Sun < http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2009... > | Apr 06 07:26 |
| schestowitz | IBM, Sun Micro talks collapse over price -source < http://uk.reuters.com/article/gover... >; I.B.M. Withdraws $7 Billion Offer for Sun Microsystems < http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/06/technol... > | Apr 06 07:28 |
| schestowitz | A look at the current software patents situation in the US and EU: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/06/... | Apr 06 07:45 |
| oiaohm | Google was keeping a lot more secrect like 100 percent custom made motherboard for them. | Apr 06 07:55 |
| oiaohm | Supposs when ordering in Google numbers you can have what ever you like. | Apr 06 07:56 |
| schestowitz | Can anyone order these? :-| | Apr 06 07:59 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: did you see this < http://www.kev009.com/wp/2009... >? | Apr 06 08:04 |
| oiaohm | Gigabyte made the board that google has but no you cannot order it. | Apr 06 08:05 |
| oiaohm | That merge was to be expected it was going to be 2.6.30 or 2.6.31 | Apr 06 08:05 |
| oiaohm | So its something is on time for once. | Apr 06 08:05 |
| oiaohm | Big annoyance it looks like ksm is going to be delayed for another cycle. | Apr 06 08:08 |
| oiaohm | Opps | Apr 06 08:08 |
| oiaohm | ksm is a used memory compression system. | Apr 06 08:08 |
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| oiaohm | http://lwn.net/Articles/306642/ << This feature I want schestowitz | Apr 06 08:11 |
| oiaohm | http://code.google.com/p/compcache/ << Also this is pushing for 2.6.31 | Apr 06 08:13 |
| iwmw | nice driver | Apr 06 08:15 |
| oiaohm | Still needs more test but yes one mainline it will be nice. | Apr 06 08:16 |
| oiaohm | one/once | Apr 06 08:16 |
| iwmw | what kind of tests? | Apr 06 08:19 |
| iwmw | if it scans for identical and merges and split at a change time it should be quite allright | Apr 06 08:20 |
| iwmw | performance loss should be rather great at plenty of splits | Apr 06 08:20 |
| oiaohm | Ok ksm that is patent dispute betwen vmware and Linux. compcache is plan b it needs proper testing run on it. | Apr 06 08:21 |
| oiaohm | Yes its pure stupid if identical blocks are found when they get pushed to the swap vmware patent does not apply. | Apr 06 08:24 |
| schestowitz | It's interesting that VMware is now in the hands of Microsofters because of patents too | Apr 06 08:30 |
| iwmw | in which way compcache can interfere with someone's patents? | Apr 06 08:38 |
| iwmw | or ksm | Apr 06 08:40 |
| oiaohm | ksm steps on vmwares. | Apr 06 08:43 |
| iwmw | it's just like saying that bubble-sort can interfere with someone's patent on sorting as a an abstract idea | Apr 06 08:43 |
| oiaohm | The process of making pages be shared. | Apr 06 08:44 |
| oiaohm | vmware patented it for there virtual machine and hypervisor. | Apr 06 08:44 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz ms attack on vmware is also about the same patent. | Apr 06 08:44 |
| iwmw | it just doesn't make sense | Apr 06 08:45 |
| oiaohm | If you are running multiable the same virtual machines. | Apr 06 08:45 |
| iwmw | you can't patent "addition ova natural numbers" | Apr 06 08:45 |
| oiaohm | Compressing used memory between them is really useful. | Apr 06 08:45 |
| oiaohm | Even better if its using the cpu memory management to make it transparant. | Apr 06 08:46 |
| iwmw | as a ratio at which it stops caching or uses lighter algorithms or parameters of it | Apr 06 08:46 |
| oiaohm | Lot of software patents don't make sence. | Apr 06 08:50 |
| MinceR | hay | Apr 06 08:57 |
| iwmw | patents shouldn't exist | Apr 06 08:59 |
| iwmw | or be restricted in a very funny way | Apr 06 09:00 |
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| tacone | schestowitz: french three-strikes internet-doctrine approved: http://www.assemblee-nationa... | Apr 06 09:05 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I saw that | Apr 06 09:06 |
| oiaohm | Like having to visit every active volcano in the worlds after getting the patent to make it valid if you die or don't do it patent rejected? iwmw | Apr 06 09:06 |
| schestowitz | BN is down at the moment, no idea why.. | Apr 06 09:06 |
| tacone | not down | Apr 06 09:06 |
| tacone | i see it. | Apr 06 09:06 |
| oiaohm | Its not down from me either schestowitz | Apr 06 09:09 |
| tacone | guess it was a moment. | Apr 06 09:09 |
| oiaohm | The network is still highly disrupted. | Apr 06 09:11 |
| schestowitz | tacone: yes, it's back | Apr 06 09:12 |
| schestowitz | Just a hiccup for some minutes | Apr 06 09:12 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: why is it disrupted? | Apr 06 09:12 |
| schestowitz | I ask, I don't know | Apr 06 09:12 |
| schestowitz | Sympton in this case: server accessible, site not responding even to W3C validator in Japan | Apr 06 09:13 |
| schestowitz | *Symptom | Apr 06 09:13 |
| oiaohm | Disrupts most likely be around for another few days. | Apr 06 09:13 |
| oiaohm | Let overs form the responce to the virus. | Apr 06 09:14 |
| tacone | oh | Apr 06 09:14 |
| tacone | the virus, yes | Apr 06 09:14 |
| tacone | i had some problems last days as well. | Apr 06 09:14 |
| tacone | didn't thought it may be because that. | Apr 06 09:14 |
| iwmw | oiaohm: of course this patent is rejected | Apr 06 09:15 |
| iwmw | it can't exist | Apr 06 09:15 |
| oiaohm | You don't switch the internet into equal to death con 5 and turn to back off without issues. | Apr 06 09:16 |
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| tacone | schestowitz: a good url (BN) url about ISO being worthless ? | Apr 06 09:17 |
| schestowitz | There's "boycott ISO" | Apr 06 09:18 |
| schestowitz | From zoobab01 | Apr 06 09:18 |
| tacone | it's empty | Apr 06 09:18 |
| tacone | do you have an article where you highlight iso being worth nothing ? | Apr 06 09:18 |
| schestowitz | Maybe this: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/04/... | Apr 06 09:32 |
| tacone | nice !! | Apr 06 09:32 |
| iwmw | obviously, boycottnovell.com is mostly a horror-news site :) | Apr 06 09:52 |
| MinceR | the real world is horrible ;) | Apr 06 09:52 |
| iwmw | but news about m$ making yet another step toward complete fail make it lighter | Apr 06 09:53 |
| schestowitz | iwmw: is that a compliment? horror-news?? | Apr 06 09:58 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Microsoft makes horror | Apr 06 09:59 |
| tacone | guess he referred to his feelings about the facts exposed | Apr 06 10:04 |
| iwmw | schestowitz: yeah, it does. someone should point at this horror so there's always a way to make references to it. | Apr 06 10:05 |
| iwmw | and yeah, tacone, for me reading about it is compared to watching news on tv or watching a horror film | Apr 06 10:05 |
| iwmw | so i don't watch horrors, boycottnovell.com is quite enough for me xD | Apr 06 10:06 |
| tacone | schestowitz: consider asking for legal age before loading photos of steve ballmer :) | Apr 06 10:06 |
| schestowitz | Very weird... some girl who promotes Microsoft junk in India has just tried to connect to me in LinkedIn. Why? | Apr 06 10:06 |
| tacone | on linkedin is weird. | Apr 06 10:07 |
| schestowitz | We were fighting her MSP bulls* (getting schools hooked) on Microsoft | Apr 06 10:07 |
| schestowitz | Maybe to see who the person is connected to, who knows... | Apr 06 10:07 |
| tacone | reply with your email adress | Apr 06 10:07 |
| tacone | lol | Apr 06 10:07 |
| iwmw | may be she wants to ask stupid questions and make an article of fud | Apr 06 10:08 |
| tacone | going away. bb | Apr 06 10:08 |
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| MinceR | http://yro.slashdot.org/firehos... | Apr 06 10:14 |
| MinceR | way to go, UK and EU | Apr 06 10:14 |
| MinceR | fucking fascists | Apr 06 10:14 |
| schestowitz | And they make fun of China... :-) | Apr 06 10:22 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXA... | Apr 06 10:22 |
| iwmw | wtf... | Apr 06 10:22 |
| iwmw | it should've been posted on the 1st of april | Apr 06 10:24 |
| schestowitz | But it's no joke... nor a surprise | Apr 06 10:25 |
| schestowitz | Not for the UK anyway | Apr 06 10:25 |
| schestowitz | More quietly , the Register has been reporting about this for over a year. It's been largely hush-hush | Apr 06 10:25 |
| MinceR | the problem is that now they've managed to make this an eu directive | Apr 06 10:26 |
| iwmw | twas written there only about uk | Apr 06 10:31 |
| iwmw | ah... i misread most likely | Apr 06 10:31 |
| MinceR | "A European Union directive, which Britain was instrumental in devising" | Apr 06 10:31 |
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| MinceR | apparently the only function the EU is capable of fulfilling is making buying laws cheaper for megacorps | Apr 06 10:32 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: I don't think this one is just about megacorps | Apr 06 10:40 |
| schestowitz | Only by inferences, assuming the megacorps -- not people -- are the state | Apr 06 10:40 |
| MinceR | well, it's likely that our "leaders" are fond of limiting freedoms themselves | Apr 06 10:41 |
| schestowitz | Remember that painting of "state is people" from france? | Apr 06 10:41 |
| MinceR | the political "elite" | Apr 06 10:41 |
| MinceR | i don't know it | Apr 06 10:41 |
| schestowitz | Replace the people with logos of the likes of GM and Proctor Gamble. | Apr 06 10:41 |
| Eruaran | "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Mussolini | Apr 06 10:41 |
| MinceR | i know most of the people gladly accept this and they deserve it | Apr 06 10:41 |
| schestowitz | Message from the FFII regarding software patents in Europe: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/0... | Apr 06 10:56 |
| iwmw | why should there be sw patents at all? | Apr 06 11:03 |
| Eruaran | Perhaps I should patent an arrangement of musical notes | Apr 06 11:04 |
| schestowitz | You can, if you have money to buy the law | Apr 06 11:05 |
| Eruaran | I would if I had the money | Apr 06 11:05 |
| Eruaran | If only to highlight the ridiculousness of it | Apr 06 11:05 |
| schestowitz | Piece together a sod story about poor musicians and economic impact of notes patentability | Apr 06 11:05 |
| Eruaran | I realised today that FOSS has actually influenced me in unforseen ways | Apr 06 11:07 |
| Eruaran | Like, what kind of music I am exposed to | Apr 06 11:08 |
| Eruaran | I'm a frequenter of Magnatune | Apr 06 11:08 |
| Eruaran | Primarily becuase of Amarok | Apr 06 11:08 |
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| Eruaran | If it weren't for Amarok, would I have stumbled upon Magnatune ? | Apr 06 11:08 |
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| Eruaran | Would I be listening to the likes of Brad Sucks and Very Large Array ? | Apr 06 11:09 |
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| Eruaran | I thought I'd try last.fm | Apr 06 11:09 |
| Eruaran | But I was bored with most of it as most of what you hear is pretty mainstream | Apr 06 11:10 |
| Eruaran | There's some nice ambient material though | Apr 06 11:10 |
| iwmw | chat by mibbit.com could possibly show number of users in the room | Apr 06 11:10 |
| iwmw | so it makes it much more attractive | Apr 06 11:11 |
| schestowitz | Thee's a last.fm alternative | Apr 06 11:25 |
| schestowitz | New one.. AGPL-based | Apr 06 11:25 |
| MinceR | i'd patent the process of moving air into and out of the lungs | Apr 06 11:39 |
| MinceR | and then i'd demand a patent license from everyone who breathes | Apr 06 11:40 |
| MinceR | i mean i'd demand payment for that license :> | Apr 06 11:40 |
| iwmw | can the license get rejected? | Apr 06 11:40 |
| MinceR | of course, i'd have to kill everyone older than i am so they can't show prior art | Apr 06 11:40 |
| schestowitz | licence for the apparatus called lung? | Apr 06 11:40 |
| MinceR | indeed | Apr 06 11:40 |
| MinceR | and its operation | Apr 06 11:40 |
| schestowitz | There's a patent thicket there. | Apr 06 11:41 |
| iwmw | you could also patent a cost-free way to perform a killing in the state prisons | Apr 06 11:41 |
| schestowitz | Many infringements. The human anatomy leapfrogged science. | Apr 06 11:41 |
| iwmw | like rejecting the license | Apr 06 11:41 |
| amarsh04 | Debian unstable goes KDE 4.2: http://lists.debian.org/debian-... | Apr 06 11:46 |
| amarsh04 | If you run Debian unstable and want to stay at KDE 3.5.10, watch your updates | Apr 06 11:47 |
| iwmw | yeah, one of them will just remove 3.5.10 | Apr 06 11:52 |
| amarsh04 | too many of my kde apps need the kde3 libs | Apr 06 11:53 |
| MinceR | so they're going to throw the kde3 libs away? | Apr 06 11:55 |
| amarsh04 | no MinceR, but I'd still like to run kde3 apps under kde 3.5.10, even though kde3 libs will be available to run kde3 apps under kde 4.2 | Apr 06 11:56 |
| MinceR | ic | Apr 06 11:56 |
| iwmw | when i installed 4.2.2 ova 3.5.10 the 3.5.10 got removed | Apr 06 12:02 |
| iwmw | twas mandriva 2009.0 | Apr 06 12:02 |
| iwmw | oh... twas ova 4.1.2 but there still were 3.5.10 apps and libs | Apr 06 12:05 |
| iwmw | 4.2.2 removed em | Apr 06 12:05 |
| amarsh04 | ouch iwmw... Debian seems to be trying for a more gradual change | Apr 06 12:35 |
| iwmw | i just remember that when i isntalled some part of kde422 the installer told me that smth like kde3510core and some other package are bothering so they gotta be removed | Apr 06 12:37 |
| schestowitz | Why not just wait until you install it fresh with KDE4? I'm still on Mandriva 2008.1 | Apr 06 12:38 |
| amarsh04 | some apps like quanta plus and rosegarden are nowhere near finished being ported to qt4/kde4 | Apr 06 12:38 |
| amarsh04 | nor k3b (k4b?) | Apr 06 12:38 |
| schestowitz | mandriva is working on it | Apr 06 12:42 |
| schestowitz | it's being ported | Apr 06 12:42 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techworld.com.au/articl... | Apr 06 12:42 |
| amarsh04 | thanks schestowitz, I had read something similar recently | Apr 06 12:50 |
| iwmw | schestowitz: because mandriva 2009.0 comes with kde 4.1.2 and i better have 4.2.2 :) | Apr 06 12:50 |
| iwmw | gtg | Apr 06 12:50 |
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| oiaohm | Notice that k3b is also will be targeted at windows. | Apr 06 13:02 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they'll appreciate it and come to GNU/Linux. That's the hope anyway. | Apr 06 13:04 |
| oiaohm | Its more targeting cdrom drive makers. | Apr 06 13:04 |
| oiaohm | To be correct burning drive makes. | Apr 06 13:04 |
| oiaohm | If we can get k3b bundled with every drive produced compadbilty goes up. | Apr 06 13:05 |
| amarsh04 | there are still some issues with k3b and verifying burned cd's/dvd's | Apr 06 13:07 |
| oiaohm | check your version of cdrecord. | Apr 06 13:08 |
| amarsh04 | the original and copied discs match, but k3b doesn't get it right | Apr 06 13:08 |
| oiaohm | I had verifying problems until I updates. | Apr 06 13:08 |
| amarsh04 | cdrecord 1.1.9 | Apr 06 13:09 |
| oiaohm | http://cdrecord.berlios.de/p... That is way old. | Apr 06 13:09 |
| oiaohm | Despute over licencing caused debian and others to be shipping old and no working versions of cdrecord | Apr 06 13:11 |
| amarsh04 | what I'm saying is that disks burn fine and their md5sums match the original data, but that k3b doesn't agree | Apr 06 13:12 |
| oiaohm | Yes and cdrecord own internal way does not work. | Apr 06 13:14 |
| amarsh04 | so cdrecord is calculating the md5sum? | Apr 06 13:14 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | Apr 06 13:14 |
| oiaohm | Had same headache. | Apr 06 13:15 |
| amarsh04 | I'd love to have k3b compare original and written images byte by byte to identify any patterns of where data corruption occurs | Apr 06 13:15 |
| oiaohm | I would love something else intergated. | Apr 06 13:15 |
| oiaohm | http://dvdisaster.net/en/ | Apr 06 13:16 |
| oiaohm | Far better tool that byte by byte compare. | Apr 06 13:16 |
| *amarsh04 clicks | Apr 06 13:16 | |
| oiaohm | It is basically how to make stronger backups. | Apr 06 13:19 |
| amarsh04 | thanks for the link... must get some sleep now. night all | Apr 06 13:24 |
| schestowitz | gn | Apr 06 13:35 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz you have dvdisaster in your tools ? | Apr 06 13:38 |
| schestowitz | I heardly even burn any CDs | Apr 06 13:41 |
| schestowitz | Haven't done so for almost a year in fact. | Apr 06 13:41 |
| oiaohm | If you have to burn something important remember about it. | Apr 06 13:42 |
| oiaohm | Making disk tolerate upto a 20 percent loss is a handy feature. | Apr 06 13:42 |
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| zer0c00l | hello goodevening :) | Apr 06 15:21 |
| Eruaran | hello | Apr 06 15:22 |
| schestowitz | Hey there. | Apr 06 15:36 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: your MSP 'friend' sent a LinkinIn invitation | Apr 06 15:36 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz, i saw that :P | Apr 06 15:36 |
| zer0c00l | i was also sent an invitation | Apr 06 15:37 |
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| schestowitz | zer0c00l: what do you make of it? | Apr 06 15:51 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz, i dont understand the question | Apr 06 15:52 |
| schestowitz | Why would MSPs befriend critics? | Apr 06 15:52 |
| zer0c00l | she is ma classmate | Apr 06 15:54 |
| zer0c00l | :P | Apr 06 15:54 |
| zer0c00l | she was pissed off b4 | Apr 06 15:54 |
| zer0c00l | don't know why she sent a frnd invitation | Apr 06 15:54 |
| zer0c00l | she stopped talking to me :P | Apr 06 15:55 |
| schestowitz | Using American celebrities as an avatar-ish | Apr 06 15:55 |
| zer0c00l | yes | Apr 06 15:55 |
| zer0c00l | avril | Apr 06 15:55 |
| schestowitz | Anyway... | Apr 06 15:55 |
| zer0c00l | i saw you in her profile | Apr 06 15:55 |
| zer0c00l | i just pinged her got an answer | Apr 06 15:58 |
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| zer0c00l | i am inviting her to #boycottnovell | Apr 06 15:58 |
| zer0c00l | :P | Apr 06 15:58 |
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| zer0c00l | helo acidburn | Apr 06 15:59 |
| acidburn | hello | Apr 06 15:59 |
| schestowitz | Hey, acidburn | Apr 06 16:07 |
| acidburn | hi roy | Apr 06 16:07 |
| schestowitz | Man detained, threatened and abused by TSA for flying with $4700 in cash < http://www.boingboing.net/2009/04/05/man-... > | Apr 06 16:10 |
| schestowitz | And Homeland Stupidity on Great Depression II < http://www.homelandstupidity.us... > | Apr 06 16:11 |
| schestowitz | Is this a joke, one wonders... < http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/cont... > | Apr 06 16:16 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz, i just added ken starks :D | Apr 06 16:18 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz, i love his blog :-) | Apr 06 16:18 |
| zer0c00l | did you see his recent post? | Apr 06 16:18 |
| schestowitz | No yet, I think | Apr 06 16:18 |
| zer0c00l | that inkscape story | Apr 06 16:19 |
| zer0c00l | http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/... | Apr 06 16:20 |
| schestowitz | Saw it already | Apr 06 16:21 |
| schestowitz | Good one. | Apr 06 16:21 |
| schestowitz | I'm pressured to write a response to EBoA... :-( http://www.epo.org/patents/appeal... | Apr 06 16:21 |
| schestowitz | These people rely on companies that are paid to speak 'for the people | Apr 06 16:22 |
| schestowitz | This is ridiculous. | Apr 06 16:22 |
| schestowitz | Do they expect SMEs to throw away their excessive work just to keep some peace with sw patents out of Europe? | Apr 06 16:22 |
| schestowitz | zoobab01: http://www.mercurynews.com/opinion... | Apr 06 16:22 |
| zer0c00l | rainy season is manchester? | Apr 06 16:24 |
| schestowitz | Musician strip-searched falsely. What world is this? Terrified musician targeted in armed anti-terror raid < http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-ne... > | Apr 06 16:25 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: no, sunny these days. Quite nice | Apr 06 16:25 |
| zer0c00l | oh | Apr 06 16:25 |
| schestowitz | South Korea prepares to nuke its technological competitiveness with a three-strikes copyright rule < http://www.boingboing.net/2009/03/... > It's an ACTA world..... | Apr 06 16:25 |
| *zer0c00l directs acidburn to http://boycottnovell.com/2009/... | Apr 06 16:27 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.seattlemedium.com/news/... " | Apr 06 16:27 |
| schestowitz | Last Thursday, the Guardian reported him saying, “This crisis was caused by no black man or woman or by no indigenous person or by no poor person...this crisis was fostered and boosted by irrational behavior of some people that are white, blue-eyed." | Apr 06 16:27 |
| acidburn | zer0c00l:gotcha | Apr 06 16:27 |
| Eruaran | April 6 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. stocks fell for the first time in five days as Mike Mayo, analyst at Calyon Securities, advised selling bank shares and International Business Machines Corp.’s purchase of Sun Microsystems Inc. collapsed. | Apr 06 16:27 |
| Eruaran | http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pi... | Apr 06 16:28 |
| schestowitz | The UK police now uses attack dogs, literally. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009... (Baton charges and kettling: police's G20 crowd control tactics under fire) | Apr 06 16:29 |
| acidburn | zer0c00l:wats the intent?? | Apr 06 16:29 |
| zer0c00l | you asked me about IRC logs acidburn | Apr 06 16:30 |
| Eruaran | IBM withdraws $7 billion offer for Sun Microsystems | Apr 06 16:30 |
| Eruaran | http://www.tgdaily.com/conten... | Apr 06 16:30 |
| zer0c00l | why IBM wants to buy sun? | Apr 06 16:31 |
| zer0c00l | sorry *wanted to | Apr 06 16:31 |
| acidburn | zer0c00l: alryt | Apr 06 16:31 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: see The Quiet Coup < http://www.theatlantic.com/do... > | Apr 06 16:31 |
| acidburn | zer0c00l:tat was yest's - i was talkin abt todays.Will chk tomo. gettin off now.Gud bye | Apr 06 16:32 |
| schestowitz | How Obama Took Over the Peace Movement < http://www.prwatch.org/node/8297 > | Apr 06 16:32 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: good for Sun | Apr 06 16:33 |
| schestowitz | I quite liked the news | Apr 06 16:33 |
| schestowitz | The issue is, Sun wants to sell itself and IBM was the least evil capable suitor. | Apr 06 16:33 |
| zer0c00l | *least evil :) | Apr 06 16:33 |
| schestowitz | Another company that's going down fast has a name similar to Microsystems | Apr 06 16:33 |
| *zer0c00l laughs | Apr 06 16:34 | |
| zer0c00l | Microsystem :P | Apr 06 16:34 |
| acidburn | schestowitz:have a good day . ps:the american pic thingy - i like her music,tats all.ntn more ntn less. :) | Apr 06 16:34 |
| schestowitz | It gives freebies | Apr 06 16:34 |
| schestowitz | Actually, it bribes people to use its stuff | Apr 06 16:34 |
| MinceR | now cisco is considered likely to buy sun :/ | Apr 06 16:34 |
| schestowitz | Look at subnotebooks, or SMBs... tactics of misery now that software is a commosity | Apr 06 16:35 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Cisco sells hardware, so they'll do alright | Apr 06 16:35 |
| MinceR | cisco believes in security by obscurity | Apr 06 16:35 |
| schestowitz | Cisco has no use for Solaris | Apr 06 16:35 |
| Eruaran | That would certainly put Cisco far deeper into the server business | Apr 06 16:35 |
| MinceR | that could be good | Apr 06 16:35 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: or using other people's secure code | Apr 06 16:35 |
| MinceR | oh, right | Apr 06 16:36 |
| schestowitz | AND... | Apr 06 16:36 |
| schestowitz | Now giving back | Apr 06 16:36 |
| MinceR | was it cisco/linksys that said that the GPL doesn't apply to them? | Apr 06 16:36 |
| schestowitz | Thus the gpl-violations suit | Apr 06 16:36 |
| schestowitz | *not | Apr 06 16:36 |
| zer0c00l | cisco once sued for not adhering to GPL right? | Apr 06 16:36 |
| zer0c00l | yes | Apr 06 16:36 |
| schestowitz | Yup | Apr 06 16:36 |
| schestowitz | They pretend it didn't happen | Apr 06 16:36 |
| MinceR | that will be a fitting combination with sun :/ | Apr 06 16:36 |
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| MinceR | perhaps someone will sue them to oblivion | Apr 06 16:37 |
| schestowitz | So I said, when they opened some blogs, how about tracking their violations. They keep silent on the subject | Apr 06 16:37 |
| schestowitz | They suck up to Linux with a $100,000 award now | Apr 06 16:37 |
| Eruaran | Its bad for business | Apr 06 16:37 |
| schestowitz | It started raining again. | Apr 06 16:46 |
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| schestowitz | How Can We Save Thunderbird Now Email is Dying? < http://www.computerworlduk.com/commu... >. People foolishly offshore their communications now, but then again, the UK government is now retaining all E-mails sent and received. | Apr 06 16:48 |
| schestowitz | Hi, lukas__ | Apr 06 16:48 |
| schestowitz | Great news: All Tatarstan Schools Moving to Free Software < http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/200... > | Apr 06 16:48 |
| schestowitz | "According to the Deputy Minister, in each of the school-level workshops are planned to open courses on the work of €«Linux€» students. But before that is still to prepare professionals who will lead these clubs." | Apr 06 16:49 |
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| zer0c00l | good news :-) | Apr 06 16:50 |
| schestowitz | Student finds mobile phone while out celebrating his 18th birthday and is ARRESTED after handing it in to police < http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/artic... > Yes, we're moving to fascism over here, apparently. People just aren't told yet. | Apr 06 16:50 |
| Eruaran | Corporatism = Fascism. | Apr 06 16:51 |
| schestowitz | The police has infinite power. They can do anything if you look funny... catching an old lady for photographing an empty pool. | Apr 06 16:51 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: I used the wrong word in reference to this one article | Apr 06 16:51 |
| zer0c00l | we are not allowed to have mobile phones in our school | Apr 06 16:51 |
| zer0c00l | :P | Apr 06 16:51 |
| schestowitz | But the idea that /other/ news like 3-strike is being passed in Ireland means that MAFIAA is calling the shot | Apr 06 16:51 |
| schestowitz | *shots | Apr 06 16:51 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: good, keeps radiation levels low. | Apr 06 16:52 |
| zer0c00l | :D | Apr 06 16:52 |
| zer0c00l | if some one found possession of mobile phone, they will be fined and suspended for a week | Apr 06 16:52 |
| zer0c00l | thats bad roy | Apr 06 16:52 |
| zer0c00l | :( | Apr 06 16:52 |
| Eruaran | 'theft by finding' | Apr 06 16:52 |
| Eruaran | One of the most absurd things I have ever heard | Apr 06 16:53 |
| zer0c00l | suspension for using mobile phones | Apr 06 16:53 |
| schestowitz | Could be worse, Eruaran: Kremlin owns up to new media empire < http://neteffect.foreignpolicy.com/pos... > | Apr 06 16:53 |
| schestowitz | Old but good news: T-Mobile to Use Google Software in Devices for Home < http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04... >. Google's Linux will hopefully open up a bit. | Apr 06 16:54 |
| Eruaran | They dropped the charges. I notice there was no apology and no reprimand of the moron who arrested him. Furthermore, I suppose they'll keep the fingerprints taken, along with the DNA swab and a photo for police records.. | Apr 06 16:57 |
| schestowitz | Fraudsters for sale: http://www.theinquirer.net/in... | Apr 06 16:58 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: maybe. | Apr 06 16:59 |
| schestowitz | tessier: Openmoko Neo FreeRunner discontinued < http://www.heise.de/english/news... > | Apr 06 17:03 |
| schestowitz | We still have code and designs. | Apr 06 17:03 |
| schestowitz | "Dixons shares jumped nearly 12 per cent today on news that it has started cutting its Nordic stores and is considering a rights issue to speed the rest of the restructure." < http://www.channelregister.co.uk... > | Apr 06 17:05 |
| schestowitz | General Morons: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/04/... "So it's goodbye to Rick Wagoner, General Motor's youngest ever CEO and a man whose legacy will have people arguing long into the evenings." | Apr 06 17:07 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has finally found a way to 'kill' Google -- a new name < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04/... > | Apr 06 17:08 |
| schestowitz | Time for PGP: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/... (Net firms start storing user data) | Apr 06 17:09 |
| zer0c00l | live search, people still using it ? :P | Apr 06 17:10 |
| zer0c00l | microsoft people even wont use that i guess | Apr 06 17:10 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: it declines | Apr 06 17:10 |
| schestowitz | Same with Hotmail | Apr 06 17:10 |
| schestowitz | Even bribing users did not help | Apr 06 17:11 |
| schestowitz | They run at a loss at like half a billion per year or quarter | Apr 06 17:11 |
| zer0c00l | :-) | Apr 06 17:11 |
| zer0c00l | if you cannot provide values to users eventually you will die :D | Apr 06 17:12 |
| zer0c00l | microsoft will die soon | Apr 06 17:12 |
| schestowitz | Alison Brimelow (EPO) dissed @ http://binariesaspriorart.org/ "activities as such." ... "programs as such" ... "programs as such" | Apr 06 17:17 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: not soon. | Apr 06 17:17 |
| schestowitz | Not die anyway. | Apr 06 17:17 |
| zer0c00l | then how it will be in future? | Apr 06 17:18 |
| zer0c00l | become another company like redhat? | Apr 06 17:18 |
| schestowitz | They try to shove their small neck through the doors of winners who are gaining at its expense. That's why it invades so many enemy territories. | Apr 06 17:18 |
| schestowitz | They also try to ruin disruption | Apr 06 17:18 |
| schestowitz | Like the MAFIAA tries to sue its competition out of business | Apr 06 17:18 |
| schestowitz | Or like Luddites attacked the machines | Apr 06 17:19 |
| schestowitz | They are afraid of the world where Windows is worth just $0 and software is libre | Apr 06 17:19 |
| schestowitz | You should call it LudditeSoft(TM) | Apr 06 17:19 |
| zer0c00l | lol | Apr 06 17:19 |
| schestowitz | Where do you want to go today?> | Apr 06 17:20 |
| schestowitz | BillG and SteveB: http://www.spada.co.uk/lawyers-in-luddite-shock/ | Apr 06 17:20 |
| schestowitz | Busy at work. | Apr 06 17:20 |
| zer0c00l | luddite>> one of the 19th century English workmen who destroyed labor-saving machinery that they thought would cause unemployment | Apr 06 17:21 |
| schestowitz | Maybe we should call Microsoft Ludditesoft for attempting to simply break new business models. http://www.spada.co.uk/wp-content... | Apr 06 17:22 |
| zer0c00l | :P | Apr 06 17:22 |
| schestowitz | here's the issue | Apr 06 17:22 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft may be a b ig companies | Apr 06 17:23 |
| schestowitz | *a big company | Apr 06 17:23 |
| schestowitz | But even Microsoft+Ilk is very small compared to those who evolve with change (IBM) and grow in change (Google) | Apr 06 17:23 |
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| schestowitz | Sun tried to evolve but it was too late. Same with SCO and now Microsoft, which is possibly already in debt (it's not something one can check publicly) | Apr 06 17:24 |
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| zer0c00l | yes | Apr 06 17:25 |
| zer0c00l | luddite i will use it in future :-) | Apr 06 17:26 |
| schestowitz | http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/S... (Sun shares plunge on reports of IBM deal collapse) | Apr 06 17:26 |
| schestowitz | eBay says Skype operations could be halted due to Joltid litigation < http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/d... > | Apr 06 17:27 |
| zer0c00l | conflicker ran by russian gang consisting of 14 yr old? :P http://www.binrev.com/forums/index.ph... | Apr 06 17:32 |
| zer0c00l | funny discussion on conflicker http://www.binrev.com/forums/ind... | Apr 06 17:33 |
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| zer0c00l | Open source trojan programming forum : http://www.opensc.ws/ :D | Apr 06 17:42 |
| zer0c00l | another one:http://descargashack.blogspot.com/ | Apr 06 17:42 |
| zer0c00l | :D | Apr 06 17:43 |
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| schestowitz | Answers regarding the patentability of software in Europe: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/0... | Apr 06 19:15 |
| schestowitz | "I'm sure you knew about that, but just in case: Microsoft is once more begrudgingly extenging XP life: http://www.appleinsider.com/arti... " | Apr 06 19:16 |
| schestowitz | "€¿An attempt to avoid OEMs pre-installing GNU/Linux in the meantime Vista-7 is ready? The proof that Vista-7 will be delayed at least until 2010, or either it won't be ready for netbooks (or the netbooks won't be powerful enough as to run it) until that date? Either that, or the OEM are starting to rebel against MSFT's chokehold. Probably both." | Apr 06 19:16 |
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| schestowitz | If IBM/Sun breaks down, what happens to Sun? < http://blogs.computerworld.co... > | Apr 06 19:25 |
| schestowitz | Will Cisco jump in? | Apr 06 19:29 |
| PetoKraus | hmm | Apr 06 19:33 |
| PetoKraus | did you notice http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sciencean... | Apr 06 19:33 |
| schestowitz | Yes, not news | Apr 06 19:35 |
| PetoKraus | well | Apr 06 19:35 |
| PetoKraus | i'm wondering why was it mentioned again | Apr 06 19:36 |
| schestowitz | The news about UK spying is not news. One year ago: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/... | Apr 06 19:37 |
| schestowitz | maybe it's mentioned again because now it becomes a reality | Apr 06 19:37 |
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| schestowitz | "Con respecto a distribuidores de Linux, tienen acuerdos con Novell, TurboLinux y Xandros. En cuanto a empresas de electrónica de consumo, ha llegado a acuerdso con LG, Samsung, y Fuji Xerox. Ahora además con TomTom." They forgot a couple. http://www.soitu.es/participacion/2... | Apr 06 19:40 |
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| schestowitz | Fun with elive... "This unstable version had some issues with some of the aspects that drew me to the distribution in the first place. No longer did the 3D cube work." http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/... | Apr 06 19:48 |
| schestowitz | Jim Lynch is still throwing c* at Ubuntu: Ubuntu Linux 9.04 Beta Review--Jaunty Jackalope < http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2... > | Apr 06 19:53 |
| schestowitz | Mac user finds comfort in GNU/Linux: http://muffinresearch.co.uk/archives... (From OSX to Ubuntu) | Apr 06 19:56 |
| schestowitz | Novell's fan site seems to be ghost-writing for rpath now. http://www.echannelline.com/usa/story... | Apr 06 19:58 |
| schestowitz | PetoKraus: this guy chose Arch and rejected the *buntus http://carloslicea.blogspot.com/200... | Apr 06 19:59 |
| PetoKraus | schestowitz: yeah. :) | Apr 06 20:02 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | @schestowitz: seriously who listens to some of these blogs | Apr 06 20:03 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | @schestowitz: I wonder if it wasn't for businesses handing out capital to these bloggers as though they were lobbyists, would their sites be still around or even this robust? | Apr 06 20:03 |
| schestowitz | Another new Archer: http://pindablog.wordpress.com/20... | Apr 06 20:03 |
| schestowitz | Carl_Rover2k12: echannelline? | Apr 06 20:04 |
| schestowitz | They are mostly dormant | Apr 06 20:04 |
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| schestowitz | They used to bombard with Novell rah-rah-rah | Apr 06 20:04 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | @schestowitz: I was thinking more about extremetech | Apr 06 20:04 |
| schestowitz | Him too | Apr 06 20:04 |
| schestowitz | Jim | Apr 06 20:04 |
| schestowitz | He wrote a review with the headline "Crappy Cow" | Apr 06 20:05 |
| schestowitz | Something like "Ubuntu Edgy: Crappy Cow". He gave it 4/10 IIRC | Apr 06 20:05 |
| schestowitz | Got lots of attention, obviously. | Apr 06 20:05 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/url?s... | Apr 06 20:06 |
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| Carl_Rover2k12 | @schestowitz: and to think I was actually interested in Xandros at one point | Apr 06 20:07 |
| schestowitz | Linproxandros.. | Apr 06 20:07 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | @schestowitz: yep, but I figured I can get the same usibility for a fraction of the cost and issues with actual Linux apps running Red Hat and WINE | Apr 06 20:08 |
| schestowitz | Maybe I'll use wine one day, but I doubt it | Apr 06 20:08 |
| schestowitz | It's not healthy from a legal POV, either, methinks | Apr 06 20:08 |
| schestowitz | As Microsoft dies (sort of), it'll ramp up the legal card, as it did with TomTom | Apr 06 20:09 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | @schestowitz: well the NT kernel is based of off VMS when you get to the bottom of it | Apr 06 20:09 |
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| schestowitz | Novell's deal with Microsoft revealed what projects Microsoft had sight on... Easter 2007 redacted forms | Apr 06 20:09 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | @schestowitz: do you have a link to that article? | Apr 06 20:12 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | @schestowitz: btw, do you think Sun Micro will go the way of the Dodo Bird since IBM turned down the aquisition? | Apr 06 20:12 |
| trmanco | hello guys | Apr 06 20:13 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | hiyo | Apr 06 20:14 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | @schestowitz: its alright I just don't know about the 2007 redacted forms you mentioned | Apr 06 20:16 |
| schestowitz | Hey, trmanco | Apr 06 20:17 |
| schestowitz | How was Spain? | Apr 06 20:17 |
| schestowitz | Carl_Rover2k12: I don't know about Sun | Apr 06 20:17 |
| schestowitz | Which article specifically? | Apr 06 20:17 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, very cool, but no I'm facing the consequences | Apr 06 20:17 |
| schestowitz | I see... | Apr 06 20:17 |
| schestowitz | You met a girl, eh? | Apr 06 20:17 |
| schestowitz | Someone just mailed me: "Just checked out Google Chrome, it runs like a dream, a pleasure to use. Blindingly fast even on problem sites. Now what was the name of that imaginary kernel OS browser that MS said was more secure than Chrome? VAPORWARE is all. I wonder what techno-whores they got to write up that piece of fiction." | Apr 06 20:18 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, many, but nothing related to that | Apr 06 20:18 |
| schestowitz | Now get this: "Fester: Quick Google Chrome is stealing too much mindshare, quick write up a BS techno report on a more secure browser. Don't worry if it actually has to work, after all, we have no intention of ever building it. We just want to freeze migration to Chrome, at least until 'Internet Explorer 8' comes out." Microsoft said it was like 5000 lines of code, IIRC. Vapourware! | Apr 06 20:18 |
| trmanco | I'm sick now, I've got a flu | Apr 06 20:18 |
| schestowitz | flu-dfu | Apr 06 20:18 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | trmanco: hmmm, bad tappas | Apr 06 20:19 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | just kidding, but thats too bad. | Apr 06 20:20 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | (not sarcasm) | Apr 06 20:20 |
| trmanco | define tappas | Apr 06 20:20 |
| trmanco | I can barely think straight | Apr 06 20:21 |
| trmanco | brb | Apr 06 20:21 |
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| tessier_ | http://www.flickr.com/photos/nqt_bin/3... <- Linux dudes get the hot chicks | Apr 06 20:22 |
| schestowitz | I was expecting a picture of newly-hatched eggs on a grill. | Apr 06 20:23 |
| schestowitz | tessier: you're afraid of fire ;-) http://www.flickr.com/photos/nqt... | Apr 06 20:24 |
| schestowitz | Dell to sell more sub-notebooks with GNU/Linux preinstalled: http://www.dailytech.com/Dell+Netbo... | Apr 06 20:26 |
| schestowitz | "This morning, as we go to press, the (JAVA/SUNW) shares are down 22 per cent ..." http://www.theregister.co.uk/20... | Apr 06 20:29 |
| schestowitz | OpenMoko has a secret plan going: http://www.theregister.co.uk/20... | Apr 06 20:30 |
| schestowitz | Not a single word about the fact that Samsung sold out to Microsoft (tax): http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/200... | Apr 06 20:44 |
| tessier_ | schestowitz: I hope openmoko makes it. I bought one of their phones. Still can't really use it yet. If the whole project dies I am going to be really bummed. | Apr 06 20:46 |
| schestowitz | I thought they were making Android available for it | Apr 06 20:46 |
| tessier_ | I'm not sure what the current plan is. | Apr 06 20:47 |
| schestowitz | I've always reckoned Likewise are former Microsoft employees putting Trojans in *NIX: http://www.networkworld.com/newsletter... | Apr 06 20:48 |
| schestowitz | Like Mono, but this group is actually Microsoft employees, not just a guy who wanted to become one and joined hands with another (Nat Friedman, Microsoft, now Novlel) | Apr 06 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Big money votes GNU/Linux: Morgan Stanley Growing Its Use of Linux < http://www.wallstreetandtech.com/it-... > | Apr 06 20:51 |
| schestowitz | "MIDs (mobile Internet devices) may be the channel for Linux to reach mainstream consumers in Asia, according to an analyst." http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/softwar... | Apr 06 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Signs that Vista7 will be out next year, and suck http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=2456 (Microsoft will allow Windows 7 users to downgrade to XP) | Apr 06 20:59 |
| balzac | I hope OpenMoko will make their software run on the T-mobile G1 and colonize their hardware, as well as plan compatibility with other good hardware. | Apr 06 21:04 |
| schestowitz | Some Gremlins took an old article and renamed it "KDE Strides Ahead While Gnome Stagnates" for hits. | Apr 06 21:04 |
| balzac | Ultimately, they need to get back on track with their own hardware, but mimmicking the iPhone was not the best design choice. | Apr 06 21:04 |
| schestowitz | Plan B -- what does the B stand for?;-) | Apr 06 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Binary? | Apr 06 21:05 |
| balzac | OpenMoko needs more capital invested for them to do bigger manufacturing runs with more competent manufacturers | Apr 06 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Breaking jail? | Apr 06 21:05 |
| balzac | The commitment to free software and open hardware specifications are important. Intelligent venture capitalists should see the eventual ROI in the OpenMoko project. | Apr 06 21:06 |
| schestowitz | Party for which they wear grey hats.. http://www.h-online.com/open/Wh... ( What happens at a hackathon? ) | Apr 06 21:07 |
| tessier_ | But apparently they don't. | Apr 06 21:07 |
| schestowitz | VC is down significantly too | Apr 06 21:07 |
| schestowitz | Like a third of what it used to be | Apr 06 21:07 |
| balzac | OpenMoko should colonize android-compatible hardware | Apr 06 21:07 |
| schestowitz | I doubt many startups have hopes of getting backing ATM | Apr 06 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: BigG won't like that | Apr 06 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Oops. balzac | Apr 06 21:08 |
| balzac | just maintain their own mobile device distro until such time as they get updated specs for the open hardware. the keyboard is a must. | Apr 06 21:08 |
| balzac | I don't appreciate the exclusion of GNU from android. | Apr 06 21:09 |
| schestowitz | It's not called gphone | Apr 06 21:09 |
| schestowitz | That's what people called it before it was announed | Apr 06 21:09 |
| balzac | or the refusal to host or provide GSOC grants to AGPL-licensed projects | Apr 06 21:09 |
| schestowitz | gPhone | Apr 06 21:09 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | @schestowitz: any cellphone can be really considered a gPhone if it is compatible with and the user utilizes google apps for it. Even the iPhone is g to an extent due to its built in GoogleMaps functions | Apr 06 21:11 |
| schestowitz | Software->Service | Apr 06 21:11 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | balzac: Android OS is like a more sophisticated BREW | Apr 06 21:11 |
| schestowitz | Does Maps already generate profit for Google? They do listings | Apr 06 21:12 |
| schestowitz | YouTube still loses loads | Apr 06 21:12 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | @schestowitz: I'm sure it does, they already include Zegats findings within it | Apr 06 21:12 |
| schestowitz | Good for them | Apr 06 21:12 |
| schestowitz | Services without forcing the use, BUT... there is a danger | Apr 06 21:13 |
| schestowitz | Google can starve a lot of competitors... in Web video, mapping, search (exclusive gateway to information), old books, etc | Apr 06 21:13 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | @schestowitz: not to mention hosting documents | Apr 06 21:14 |
| balzac | Carl_Rover2k12: it's a good thing you can put a debian image on the g1 so you have gnu user-space in addition to android | Apr 06 21:14 |
| schestowitz | balzac: not many people would do that | Apr 06 21:14 |
| schestowitz | They haven't the skills and Google won't hold their hands | Apr 06 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Same with PS3 Linux | Apr 06 21:14 |
| balzac | i want bash on my g1, not some kind of neutered terminal | Apr 06 21:14 |
| schestowitz | wow. http://vistasucks.files.wordpress.c... | Apr 06 21:15 |
| balzac | grep, awk, sed, etc. | Apr 06 21:15 |
| balzac | nano, emacs, vi - why wouldn't i want these available for my g1 via a well-maintained repository? | Apr 06 21:15 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | @schestowitz: nice art | Apr 06 21:16 |
| schestowitz | Nice screenshots here: http://www.tectonic.co.za/?p=4591 | Apr 06 21:16 |
| balzac | why would I want a neutered, consumer-grade OS, with no options to upgrade or modify on such a nice little computer? | Apr 06 21:16 |
| schestowitz | balzac: Google uses a lot of GNU | Apr 06 21:16 |
| balzac | yeah, but why put developers in a little rat-maze? | Apr 06 21:17 |
| schestowitz | In fact, Chris DeiBona attributes some Google success explicitly by mentioning GNU | Apr 06 21:17 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | @schestowitz: lol http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joy... | Apr 06 21:17 |
| schestowitz | But he's their FOSS chief | Apr 06 21:17 |
| schestowitz | Not necessarily a reflection of the whole. | Apr 06 21:17 |
| balzac | DiBona should go and kiss the lapels of RMS' suit like a general of Saddam Hussein | Apr 06 21:17 |
| balzac | jk | Apr 06 21:18 |
| schestowitz | From my POV, Google has helped me a lot with information and entertainment, just like LATEX served as a good tool and so has GNU/Linux. Microsoft is another story altogether... like a hardware leech. | Apr 06 21:18 |
| balzac | He should bow to RMS like Obama bowed to King Abdullah | Apr 06 21:18 |
| balzac | again, just kidding... | Apr 06 21:18 |
| schestowitz | I think he's cool with him | Apr 06 21:19 |
| schestowitz | I correspond with both sometimes. | Apr 06 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Google is RMS' new antithesis | Apr 06 21:19 |
| balzac | I have a higher expectation of respect and payment of tribute for the "GNU-Father" than "open source" people. | Apr 06 21:19 |
| schestowitz | They take away his OWN code and proprietarise it to the extent that they can, using the network. | Apr 06 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Some open source people are actually FS people | Apr 06 21:20 |
| schestowitz | Defends on you you refer to | Apr 06 21:20 |
| balzac | I know | Apr 06 21:20 |
| schestowitz | If ESR, then yet | Apr 06 21:20 |
| schestowitz | But some are more GNU-oriented, even in the "open source" camp | Apr 06 21:20 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is so yesterday. I fail to find any new product from them, just vapourware and catchup for the most part. This is good. | Apr 06 21:21 |
| schestowitz | MSFT ought to report results in a few weeks. It'll be ugly, unless they lowered their forecast sufficiently. | Apr 06 21:22 |
| schestowitz | Clinton calls for stricter Antarctic tourism limits < http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/s... > Did Hillary /fly/ over to make the statement? | Apr 06 21:23 |
| schestowitz | More authors turn to Web and print-on-demand publishing < http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/04/0... > The notion of publishing books is an aging one, for sure. | Apr 06 21:24 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: as long as they give me unencrypted PDF's I'm happy | Apr 06 21:27 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | @schestowitz: but but what about Windows 7 as well as Windows Mobile 6.5 and 7? | Apr 06 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Vista7 is vapourware and Mobile is in trouble, by Ballmer's admission | Apr 06 21:29 |
| schestowitz | [not in these words] | Apr 06 21:29 |
| schestowitz | WM is having a crisis, as does Vista. Vista7 is a gown and it makes no money | Apr 06 21:29 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | @schestowitz: WinMo in trouble? heresy! they got HTC, HP and Asus smartphones | Apr 06 21:30 |
| schestowitz | How much is a WM licence? | Apr 06 21:30 |
| schestowitz | Carl_Rover2k12: their market share is not high and they lag behind in terms of features | Apr 06 21:30 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | @schestowitz: enough to pay for M$ legal team and continue to develope as much back door piracy tracking DRM software as possible | Apr 06 21:30 |
| schestowitz | Controversy Erupts Over Possible MS Mobile App Fee < http://www.pcworld.com/article/162046/con... | Apr 06 21:31 |
| schestowitz | > | Apr 06 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft kills Windows Mobile honeycomb < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/4... > | Apr 06 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Windows Mobile Is Still Immobile < http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content... > | Apr 06 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Windows Mobile misses annual shipment target < http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/a... > | Apr 06 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Why Windows Mobile Is In Trouble < http://www.nytimes.com/externa... > | Apr 06 21:32 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | @schestowitz: in more news M$ shoots themselves in the foot some more by trying to immitate the competition but with monpoly styled levied fees | Apr 06 21:32 |
| schestowitz | Is it time to ditch Windows Mobile? < http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-18... > | Apr 06 21:32 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | @schestowitz: thanks for the links | Apr 06 21:32 |
| schestowitz | Windows Mobile Bluetooth vulnerability allows access to any files < http://www.heise.de/english/new... > | Apr 06 21:32 |
| schestowitz | Carl_Rover2k12: don't be misled by MS marketung | Apr 06 21:33 |
| schestowitz | It's a very competent company when it comes to litigation, theft and marketing | Apr 06 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Can Microsoft make its future mobile? < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/busi... > | Apr 06 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Does Microsoft prefer the iPhone to Windows Mobile? < http://www.itwire.com/content... > | Apr 06 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Windows Mobile: What Microsoft Needs to Fix < http://www.businessweek.com/technology... | Apr 06 21:33 |
| schestowitz | > | Apr 06 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's mobile strategy has gone missing < http://news.zdnet.co.uk/leader/0,10... > | Apr 06 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft falls behind in mobiles < http://www.australianit.news.com.au/st... > | Apr 06 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Windows Mobile - Like Being Dropped in a Toilet < http://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?... > | Apr 06 21:34 |
| schestowitz | iPhone 2.x Beats Windows Mobile 6.x into Coma < http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/deskt... > | Apr 06 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Why Windows Mobile will die.< http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit... > | Apr 06 21:35 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | @schestowitz: Microsoft sees an opportunity the iPhone styled mobile environment brings to create future mobile platforms that further limit the user to utilizing apps they only see fit and they should be happy so long as the GUI is intuitive and pretty | Apr 06 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Hides Its Mobile and Business Apps Divisions < http://www.microsoft-watch.com/articl... > Sheesh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Windows Mobile loses loads of money. | Apr 06 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Carl_Rover2k12: they bought Danger | Apr 06 21:35 |
| schestowitz | BSD | Apr 06 21:35 |
| schestowitz | They hire | Apr 06 21:35 |
| schestowitz | UNIX developers | Apr 06 21:36 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | @schestowitz: think about it, M$ already has MSN, Live Search with maps and even an online dictionary such as Encarta | Apr 06 21:36 |
| schestowitz | The United States loves Windows Mobile... Cryptome: NSA has access to Windows Mobile smartphones < http://blogs.securiteam.com/in... > | Apr 06 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Carl_Rover2k12: all of them LOSE money | Apr 06 21:36 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | @schestowitz: NSA doesn't like Blackberries | Apr 06 21:36 |
| schestowitz | They have some very profitable products like Office | Apr 06 21:36 |
| schestowitz | But having one success story and MANy products can be worse than just one success | Apr 06 21:37 |
| schestowitz | Like Google with search/ads | Apr 06 21:37 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | @schestowitz: which is why they are counting on Winmo to confine the user to those services, so they make money | Apr 06 21:37 |
| schestowitz | Carl_Rover2k12: Canadians | Apr 06 21:37 |
| schestowitz | They have iPhone | Apr 06 21:37 |
| schestowitz | With the Bush buddies at AT&T | Apr 06 21:37 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | @schestowitz: also NSA had problems with Blackberries creating a documented trail of all action done on the phone, because under law since Nixon a President must always leave a paper trail of every action they do | Apr 06 21:38 |
| schestowitz | AT&T is horrid: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09... | Apr 06 21:38 |
| schestowitz | Carl_Rover2k12: here in the UK copies of the calls is stored for at least one here in a datacentre | Apr 06 21:38 |
| schestowitz | Skype -- well, I dunno if they already got the codes | Apr 06 21:39 |
| schestowitz | The Italian police is screaming at Skype and in Germany I think they caved already | Apr 06 21:39 |
| schestowitz | In China, the government reads people's IM in Skype. fact. | Apr 06 21:39 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | @schestowitz: in Germany the police did an unwarranted raid of the Wikileaks German domain owner because of an article published there concerning which websites will be blacklisted | Apr 06 21:40 |
| schestowitz | They did the same with a TOR admin | Apr 06 21:41 |
| schestowitz | They are tough | Apr 06 21:41 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | @schestowitz: ahh AT&T the persuit of patents, as well as constantly changin their TOS to try to make sure they continue to force people to exclusively use their services while promoting themselves as a "unlocked phone" company for as long as possible | Apr 06 21:41 |
| schestowitz | AT&T is very close to the government AFAICT | Apr 06 21:42 |
| schestowitz | Like the oil companies | Apr 06 21:42 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | @schestowitz: I heard the CIA is taking a more favored approach for TOR by setting up their own hosts which packet sniff | Apr 06 21:42 |
| schestowitz | "Come play in our sandox" | Apr 06 21:44 |
| schestowitz | *box | Apr 06 21:44 |
| schestowitz | Vista helps GNU/Linux: http://www.itp.net/news/551587-... "Thanks in part to Vista, open source software has entered into the OS discussion" | Apr 06 21:45 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | @schestowitz: yea sort of like that, but unless people know the exact DNS of every CIA honeypot in the world it will be hard to pinpoint which are being hosted on Tor | Apr 06 21:46 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | @schestowitz: this is why in a way a Proxy could be more trustworthy, if you know who hosts them. Then just set up a VPN to it | Apr 06 21:46 |
| schestowitz | [H]omer has that | Apr 06 21:48 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | @schestowitz: yep M$ really SNAFUd with Vista and 6.5 is getting just unfavorable feedback in the development stages they are already announce Winmo 7 | Apr 06 21:48 |
| schestowitz | The secret services sometimes have their IPs leaked | Apr 06 21:49 |
| schestowitz | Wikileaks revealed some actually | Apr 06 21:49 |
| schestowitz | Let me see if I can find it | Apr 06 21:49 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | @schestowitz: but that probably has more to do with their HQ and domestic offices. | Apr 06 21:49 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | @schestowitz: what about their foriegn liaisons? | Apr 06 21:49 |
| schestowitz | Here: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/... | Apr 06 21:49 |
| schestowitz | German Secret Intelligence Service (BND T-Systems network assignments, 13 Nov 2008 < http://wikileaks.org/wiki/German_Secr... > | Apr 06 21:50 |
| schestowitz | Whoa... "There is currently no text in this page, you can search for this page title in other pages or edit this page." | Apr 06 21:50 |
| schestowitz | Oh, here: http://www.wikileaks.org/wiki/German_Secr... | Apr 06 21:51 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | @schestowitz: no text maybe because the German Police took it off after the raid | Apr 06 21:52 |
| schestowitz | poageRank5... makes you wonder if that too is a reason for a Wikileaks crackdown | Apr 06 21:52 |
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| schestowitz | Canada: Violation Of Open Source Licence Agreement Creates Liability For Copyright Infringement < http://www.mondaq.com/article.asp?arti... > | Apr 06 21:53 |
| schestowitz | Old news, still being brought up | Apr 06 21:54 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | anyway I got to get going now, thanks for being the wealth of information which points out the wrong doings and abuses by businesses as well as government bodies being bankrolled by the afformentioned against indivisuals along with honest IPs | Apr 06 21:59 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | IP= Intellectual Property | Apr 06 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Internet Protocol | Apr 06 21:59 |
| schestowitz | I hate having to use the term Intellectual Property in papers | Apr 06 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Here in the US it's called UK-IPO too, which helps not at all | Apr 06 22:00 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | @schestowitz: perhaps, but it is the way the legal system throughout North America and Europe define creative works and inventions. Its as hard to dislodge from their vocabular as it would be for programming to not call a menu for putting in text based commands into a terminal. Even if M$ insists on calling it a command prompt | Apr 06 22:02 |
| schestowitz | Yes, but it's not a lingual/semantic issue alone | Apr 06 22:03 |
| schestowitz | The business and even academic world still discourage dissemination of knowledge | Apr 06 22:03 |
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| Carl_Rover2k12 | @schestowitz: but is that the fault of the word, or how legal academia encourages milking it for any cent it could not even be worth so long as you can warp the opinions of others within the legal framework as it is? | Apr 06 22:05 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | anyway I'll leave this discussion to another time, been a pleasure chatting with you | Apr 06 22:07 |
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| tacone | if you like haikus :) http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2... | Apr 06 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Wow. what a surprise. | Apr 06 22:15 |
| schestowitz | All his colleagues from Microsoft said "yes" | Apr 06 22:15 |
| schestowitz | Lies, damn lies, and monkeys (mono) | Apr 06 22:15 |
| tacone | it has to have been a big decision | Apr 06 22:16 |
| tacone | seems more a technology evangelist to me that a project manager or whatever else. | Apr 06 22:16 |
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| chips | Hello everyone | Apr 06 23:33 |
| chips | This one is old, but I was wondering if you had seen it? http://blogs.zdnet.com/Murphy/?p=490 | Apr 06 23:35 |
| chips | U.S. Navy orders Bill Gates to install SPARC/Solaris with Sun Rays | Apr 06 23:35 |
| schestowitz | Hey there. | Apr 06 23:37 |
| chips | Hello | Apr 06 23:37 |
| schestowitz | Let me see... | Apr 06 23:37 |
| schestowitz | I think I heard about it. | Apr 06 23:37 |
| schestowitz | Stupid lobbyists work to loot people ATM: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j... | Apr 06 23:38 |
| chips | mostly I would expect that you have | Apr 06 23:38 |
| schestowitz | Are you chips from MS-Watch BTW? | Apr 06 23:38 |
| chips | yes | Apr 06 23:38 |
| schestowitz | Cool. | Apr 06 23:38 |
| schestowitz | Goblin hasn't been here for like a month. | Apr 06 23:38 |
| chips | great respect for all your work and your team, BTW | Apr 06 23:38 |
| schestowitz | 'Paul Murphy' is leaving ZDNet | Apr 06 23:38 |
| schestowitz | Maybe the site goes AWOL | Apr 06 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Thanks, chips | Apr 06 23:39 |
| chips | ZDNET is a M$ shill site mostly anyway | Apr 06 23:39 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/29/z... | Apr 06 23:39 |
| schestowitz | ZDNet has Microsoft connections | Apr 06 23:39 |
| chips | yes | Apr 06 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Its job is to keep people stupid | Apr 06 23:39 |
| schestowitz | re technology | Apr 06 23:40 |
| chips | people are ignorant by default | Apr 06 23:40 |
| chips | its up to us to educate them | Apr 06 23:40 |
| schestowitz | It's like ITFox | Apr 06 23:40 |
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| chips | Roy I think your post does not link correctly: Links 06/04/2009: IBM Withdraws Sun Offer, Linux Gets FS-Cache | Apr 06 23:45 |
| chips | as no text available when clicking on the link | Apr 06 23:46 |
| schestowitz | Which link? | Apr 06 23:46 |
| chips | I usually check out your site almost every day | Apr 06 23:46 |
| chips | the IBM withdraws Sun Offer | Apr 06 23:47 |
| schestowitz | I usually use the W3C validator to catch typos | Apr 06 23:47 |
| schestowitz | Are there broken links. | Apr 06 23:47 |
| schestowitz | Let me see... | Apr 06 23:47 |
| chips | no story with the headline | Apr 06 23:47 |
| chips | that is see, could be me | Apr 06 23:47 |
| schestowitz | I've just clicked on all 5 links re Sun/IBM | Apr 06 23:48 |
| schestowitz | They all seem to work | Apr 06 23:48 |
| chips | ok, then its me | Apr 06 23:49 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/0... | Apr 06 23:49 |
| schestowitz | I thought I screwed up but logged out it still works | Apr 06 23:50 |
| schestowitz | But it's good to check anyway ;-s | Apr 06 23:50 |
| chips | guess I do not see the five links for the IBM/Sun story | Apr 06 23:52 |
| chips | with that link | Apr 06 23:52 |
| schestowitz | It's further down a bit. Main story | Apr 06 23:52 |
| schestowitz | I'm doing another batch ATM | Apr 06 23:52 |
| chips | Ok, now I see, sorry about that | Apr 06 23:53 |
| chips | In a way Sun had much of the same problem that Mac did before it moved to x86 and nix | Apr 06 23:55 |
| chips | only Sun did not have a real plan to make money | Apr 06 23:55 |
| chips | they needed to sell sparc, at least a cheaper sparc to consumers as well as businesses | Apr 06 23:56 |
| chips | Roy, it was great chatting with you | Apr 06 23:57 |
| chips | good bye | Apr 06 23:58 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=... | Apr 06 23:59 |
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Victor Soliz
2009-04-07 21:03:19