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Omar87oiaohm: No, I don't, lol. :)Apr 21 13:57
MinceRsome people believe m$ invented everythingApr 21 13:58
MinceRstarting with the wheelApr 21 13:58
oiaohmMS has invented very little.Apr 21 13:59
Omar87oiaohm: Actually, M$ has invented almost nothing.Apr 21 13:59
oiaohmBlue Screen of DeatApr 21 14:00
oiaohmDeathApr 21 14:00
oiaohmMS does have some minor inventions.Apr 21 14:00
Omar87oiaohm: Yes! That's one of M$'s main inventions, the BSOD! :)Apr 21 14:01
oiaohmRed ring of deathApr 21 14:01
oiaohmMost of MS inventions has not been good.Apr 21 14:01
oiaohmMS currently hold the record for the most numbers of bugs in 512 bytes in the first Xbox.   They managed to fit 200.Apr 21 14:03
oiaohmSo the compete fancy secuirty system they had designed did not work.Apr 21 14:03
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oiaohmBASIC is MS biggest infection/invention.Apr 21 14:05
MinceRyet another invention with a negative valueApr 21 14:05
oiaohmYou cannot say MS invented nothing.Apr 21 14:06
oiaohmThey did invent some things.Apr 21 14:06
oiaohmMost of them implemented badly.Apr 21 14:07
oiaohmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BASIC  Basic was a trick.Apr 21 14:08
oiaohmMS never invented that.Apr 21 14:08
oiaohmMS has been claiming ownership of stuff that is not theres for years.Apr 21 14:10
oiaohmI always love presenting students with a list of 50 things with 2 box's invented by MS not invented by MS.Apr 21 14:10
oiaohmAlmost no one gets it right.Apr 21 14:10
oiaohmAll 50 items are things MS did not invent.Apr 21 14:11
MinceRthat's cheatingApr 21 14:11
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oiaohmIt gets even funnier I normal have the class split question by question.Apr 21 14:13
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oiaohmMost get annoyed when at the end they wake up all answers were not.Apr 21 14:14
oiaohmBasic is the common one they get wrong.Apr 21 14:14
MinceRbasic is crap enough for it to be a plausible candidate.Apr 21 14:14
oiaohmRemember MS first 2 products DOS and BASIC.Apr 21 14:15
oiaohmMS would not exist today if Basic had software patents.Apr 21 14:16
MinceRor if ibm wasn't asleep at the wheel.Apr 21 14:16
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oiaohmThe game is not over.Apr 21 14:17
MinceRor if the usian antitrust authorities were worth anything at allApr 21 14:17
oiaohmWe will see how bad MS is damaged soon.Apr 21 14:17
MinceRi find it pretty likely that they'll either die completely or be turned into a tiny patent trollApr 21 14:18
MinceRbut the longer they keep agonizing the more damage they cause.Apr 21 14:18
oiaohmThe colapse of Microsoft will send ripples.Apr 21 14:18
oiaohmLinux has done what no other company has.Apr 21 14:19
oiaohmDamaged MS bottom line.Apr 21 14:19
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mib_2rsk5mlolApr 21 14:25
mib_2rsk5mI think I haven't been asked, if I'm ok with the fact that my private conversations are posted online :pApr 21 14:26
oiaohmDid we force you to type.Apr 21 14:28
mib_2rsk5mnice pov I think you just disqualified yourself for a resonable conversation :)Apr 21 14:29
MinceRthe topic says it's publicly loggedApr 21 14:30
MinceRand what takes place here is far from "private"Apr 21 14:30
MinceRprivate conversations aren't logged. :>Apr 21 14:31
mib_2rsk5mnot from this channel here, but from a private query, I consider that a difference ;)Apr 21 14:31
MinceRand who logs that?Apr 21 14:31
mib_2rsk5mMinceR: "Someone" who sent it to the site apparently :DApr 21 14:31
MinceRwhere do private conversations appear on the site?Apr 21 14:32
mib_2rsk5mhttp://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/24/g...Apr 21 14:32
oiaohmIRC are public channels.Apr 21 14:35
oiaohmYou can use a PM if you don't want to be logged.Apr 21 14:35
mib_2rsk5moiaohm: oh my, I really start to pitty you right now, but since that could be used against me I'll stop talking to you ;)Apr 21 14:36
MinceRthat private log was very likely submitted by [anon]Apr 21 14:37
MinceRand that has nothing to do with any official policyApr 21 14:38
MinceRi log all my chats tooApr 21 14:38
oiaohmMy client does automatically.Apr 21 14:38
oiaohmThe idea that internet is private and not recorded is a joke.Apr 21 14:39
mib_2rsk5msure, me to - but I think it's quite a bit odd, to [anon] himself while fully naming others ;)Apr 21 14:39
oiaohmNothing about IRC names have to be real.Apr 21 14:39
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mib_2rsk5m(Also the Article itself is ridiculous since everyone can write what she or he thinks, and just for the records I'm not affiliated nor associated with openoffice.org in any way)Apr 21 14:39
miceParticular channels are support channels for applications.Apr 21 14:40
mib_2rsk5mspeaking in plural?Apr 21 14:41
miceIts called bad form to send people from there to a competitor.Apr 21 14:41
miceThere are a few 10 000 support channels for applications out there.Apr 21 14:41
mib_2rsk5mI see, I waste my timeApr 21 14:41
miceWhat the person was basically against irc ethics.Apr 21 14:41
mib_2rsk5mseems my point won't be or is not wanted to be understoodApr 21 14:42
miceYou are coming in with a normal set of values.Apr 21 14:42
mib_2rsk5mI hope it's not considered bad ethics to say the boycottnovell project is a joke? :>Apr 21 14:42
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miceSome things like breach of IRC ethics most people don't understand so most of them don't appear on boycottnovell any more.Apr 21 14:43
miceThink of it this way.  You go into a shop selling macs and you sell users on windows.Apr 21 14:44
miceIts not your shop.   Everyone there has the right to be miffed with you.Apr 21 14:45
miceSupport channels have to be registered.  The IRC server can reject you from having them.Apr 21 14:46
miceboycottnovell tracks wrong doing of all forms mib_2rsk5m.Apr 21 14:47
MinceRmice: well, there is a certain person who's obsessed about getting such private information as real name.Apr 21 14:49
MinceRmib_2rsk5m: by that reasoning, all articles ever are ridiculous, at least as long as there's freedom of press.Apr 21 14:50
miceIrc operates without real names.Apr 21 14:50
miceAlways has.Apr 21 14:50
miceYet if need the person can be tracked down by there handle.Apr 21 14:51
schestowitz          <oiaohm> "What's amazing is the elasticity, the speed with which Sun shifted from one suitor to another," DiDio said. "That was faster than Madonna." Apr 21 14:51
schestowitzDidiot is a Microsot shill.Apr 21 14:51
miceI know it still a good quote schestowitzApr 21 14:51
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micemib_2rsk5m: being truthful is welcomed in IRC.   Reason why name almost anything you like exists in IRC.  So you can change handles after you insult someone badly and start off fresh.Apr 21 14:54
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mib_2rsk5mthat's what kids do, from an adult I expect to be consistent ;)Apr 21 14:55
mib_2rsk5mBut as said earlier, I know I'm wasting my time with you ;)Apr 21 14:55
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oiaohmmib_2rsk5m: Irc was made by adults.  Action of changing username has been found extreamly suitable.Apr 21 14:58
oiaohmIRC ethics been good for over 20 years so why should the ethics change now. mib_2rsk5mApr 21 15:00
mib_2rsk5mread above ;)Apr 21 15:00
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oiaohmethics of IRC don't demard consistent.Apr 21 15:01
oiaohmEven changing you username for a joke is considered normal.Apr 21 15:01
mib_2rsk5mIf you still dont get it, I'll try to be more plastic for with me stopping right in the middle of th ...Apr 21 15:02
oiaohmI did not get IRC at first either mib_2rsk5mApr 21 15:02
oiaohmIts normal to expect you chats to be recorded in IRC.Apr 21 15:03
oiaohmIRC protocal is not encrypted.Apr 21 15:03
oiaohmEverything said in IRC is just as open as if it writen on a postcard.Apr 21 15:03
oiaohmYou should never talk in IRC with the idea anything you are saying is private.Apr 21 15:04
oiaohmIf you want to talk truly private you use encryption.Apr 21 15:05
oiaohmhttp://www.bash.org/?latest  Besided they could have always ended up published here mib_2rsk5mApr 21 15:06
oiaohmIts IRC wild west.  Leave a lot of rules at the door.Apr 21 15:07
oiaohmAfter ending up on bash.org for something really stupid I think you would want to change your username too mib_2rsk5mApr 21 15:10
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oiaohmOk there is the warped one who is proud about there bash.org entry.Apr 21 15:13
oiaohmBy the way one of the most popular IRC names mib_2rsk5m to be registered is anything linked to annomous.  any make up of that word.Apr 21 15:15
oiaohmUser who has a registered name can remove anyone found using that name.Apr 21 15:15
schestowitzI could use help with this new page: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.p...Apr 21 15:27
schestowitzI just put it together quicklyApr 21 15:27
oiaohmGame engines how many do you want.Apr 21 15:30
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schestowitzoiaohm: the more the merrier :-)Apr 21 15:35
oiaohmHopefully blender web brower plugin will return.Apr 21 15:35
schestowitzAs long as it ain't for Windows/.NETApr 21 15:35
oiaohmhttp://www.jmonkeyengine.com/  I also should have asked how warped.Apr 21 15:36
oiaohmhttp://www.fisixengine.com/Apr 21 15:37
oiaohmhttp://www.ogre3d.org/Apr 21 15:37
oiaohmhttp://www.crystalspace3d.org/main/Main_PageApr 21 15:38
oiaohmAnd blender.org of course.Apr 21 15:38
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schestowitzoiaohm: nice looking homepageApr 21 15:39
oiaohmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...Apr 21 15:39
oiaohmThere are a lot of them.Apr 21 15:39
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oiaohmthose are my favorites.Apr 21 15:39
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schestowitz Symantec buys Mi5 < http://www.theinquirer.net/inqu... >Apr 21 15:41
MinceRmy favorite is the cube2 engine :)Apr 21 15:43
oiaohmhttp://sauerbraten.org/Apr 21 15:44
oiaohmYes it fun too.Apr 21 15:44
MinceRit allows multiplayer realtime level-editing :)Apr 21 15:44
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oiaohmBlender has always been better for fast prototyping.Apr 21 15:47
oiaohmWhen improved logic comes to blender I basically will not touch cube2 for anything other than sometime gaming.Apr 21 15:47
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MinceRit would be useful even in gamingApr 21 15:48
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EruaranFUD from Joe WilcoxApr 21 15:57
Eruaranhttp://www.eweek.com/index.php?op...Apr 21 15:57
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*schestowitz looksApr 21 16:11
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schestowitzEruaran: he's pro-MicrosoftApr 21 16:11
Eruaranhi RoyApr 21 16:12
Eruaranyes, he's clearly a shillApr 21 16:12
schestowitz"I'm a huge fan of guerrilla marketing." Joe Wilcox, Microsoft FanApr 21 16:12
EruaranThe content of his article is just ridiculousApr 21 16:12
EruaranHe says Java is about containmentApr 21 16:13
EruaranI'm like, what the ?Apr 21 16:13
EruaranHe says Microsoft has successfully marginalised JavaApr 21 16:13
EruaranLike what ?Apr 21 16:13
EruaranAnd then, in the next breathApr 21 16:13
schestowitzLOLApr 21 16:14
schestowitz" Microsoft already has successfully marginalized Java. "Apr 21 16:14
EruaranHe carries on as if its a huge threat... If it was marginalised, it wouldn't be a threatApr 21 16:14
schestowitzJust ignore the ignorasmusApr 21 16:14
Eruaranhe doesn't even make senseApr 21 16:14
schestowitzSlogApr 21 16:14
EruaranAnd there's the claim in the article about Windows server enjoying double digit growth for the past 5 yearsApr 21 16:15
EruaranComplete rubbishApr 21 16:15
schestowitzIt's people like him who would emit 'articles' like "java is dead"Apr 21 16:15
schestowitz[Java is still #1 PL]Apr 21 16:15
schestowitzEruaran: hahaApr 21 16:15
schestowitzWhose numbers?Apr 21 16:15
schestowitzIDC?Apr 21 16:15
schestowitzMicrosoft PAID for these numbersApr 21 16:15
schestowitzI have the documentApr 21 16:15
schestowitzI saw the receipts Apr 21 16:15
schestowitzSo we knowApr 21 16:15
schestowitzMicrosoft bought some kind of a twilight zone of illusionsApr 21 16:16
EruaranA couple of years ago Windows servers growth was 6% while Linux was 26% and described by an article I read back then as a market that was "white hot"Apr 21 16:16
schestowitzIt also paid gartner to invent the "TCO" nonsenseApr 21 16:16
schestowitzAll of these figures came from MicrosoftApr 21 16:16
schestowitzUnder the question, "which things to count to make us look like leaders?"Apr 21 16:16
EruaranWilcox gives the impression that Unix sysadmins are switching to WindowsApr 21 16:16
schestowitzSame with Netcradt, NPD...Apr 21 16:16
schestowitzWilcox is from JupiterResearchApr 21 16:16
EruaranI mean seriously, you gotta be kiddingApr 21 16:16
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schestowitzSo he used to be paid by them to lieApr 21 16:17
EruaranahaApr 21 16:17
schestowitzHe admitted thisApr 21 16:17
schestowitzThat NPD is paid to SELL numbersApr 21 16:17
schestowitzNot to conduct real usrveysApr 21 16:17
schestowitzHe wrote thisApr 21 16:17
schestowitzWhich is funny cause he worked on MS contractsApr 21 16:17
schestowitzMeaning he was doing thisApr 21 16:17
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Eruaranmaybe I should leave a commentApr 21 16:17
Eruaran"Jupiter Research says Hi"Apr 21 16:18
Eruaran"your credibility says, "bye!""Apr 21 16:18
EruaranLike that crim guy on the SimpsonsApr 21 16:18
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Eruaranwho always says "Bye!" with that voice as he takes offApr 21 16:19
Balroghi Eruaran and schestowitzApr 21 16:22
Eruaranhi BalrogApr 21 16:22
schestowitz:-)Apr 21 16:22
schestowitzEruaran: yes, that thugApr 21 16:22
schestowitzbrbApr 21 16:23
EruaranI have left a comment on eWeekApr 21 16:27
Eruarancouldnt resistApr 21 16:27
Balrogurl?Apr 21 16:28
Eruaranhttp://www.eweek.com/showblog/5...Apr 21 16:28
EruaranThe guy deserves every bit of ridicule he getsApr 21 16:30
schestowitzSome people feed him.Apr 21 16:30
schestowitzit's good for Ziff DavisApr 21 16:30
Balroghe's known for thisApr 21 16:30
schestowitzThat's who he works for nowApr 21 16:31
schestowitzApril 2009: Microsoft Pays Ziff Davis to Promote Windows Vista <  http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04... >Apr 21 16:31
schestowitzMore: http://www.google.com/search?q=...Apr 21 16:31
schestowitzFollow the money. It's simpler than people are led to believeApr 21 16:32
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EruaranyesApr 21 16:33
Eruarancustomers are not keen on W7Apr 21 16:33
EruaranAs soon as they realise its basically "Nu Vista", the look on their faces says it allApr 21 16:34
Balrogheh ... people I know who tried it don't think that way :(Apr 21 16:34
Balrogthough many who have tried it still don't like it that muchApr 21 16:35
*zer0c00l agrees with Balrog Apr 21 16:35
Eruaranits perceptionApr 21 16:35
zer0c00li today asked a sysadmin abt w7Apr 21 16:35
Eruarandoesn't matter if its an improvement or notApr 21 16:35
EruaranI'll be glad when the phony war is overApr 21 16:36
Balrogthose who haven't tried it think it's better than anything else .... some say they'll switch from Mac OS to W7 (on the mac forums) ... those will be disappointed .... lolApr 21 16:36
zer0c00lthat syadmin is another victim of micorsoft marketingApr 21 16:36
Balrogyes, in most placesApr 21 16:36
Eruaranwe're expecting an upswing in requests for Ubuntu systems hereApr 21 16:36
EruaranIt's got tractionApr 21 16:37
EruaranIf you say "Linux" people still aren't sureApr 21 16:37
EruaranIf you say "Ubuntu" you often get one of these: :DApr 21 16:37
zer0c00l:DApr 21 16:38
EruaranseeApr 21 16:38
MinceR:DApr 21 16:38
Eruaran;)Apr 21 16:38
zer0c00lubuntu guys made things easier :)Apr 21 16:38
Balrogyes,Apr 21 16:39
EruaranOne of our customers rang yesterdayApr 21 16:42
EruaranHe's an Ubuntu guyApr 21 16:42
EruaranWe only hear from him when he wants to buy stuffApr 21 16:43
EruaranHe's looking at netbooksApr 21 16:43
EruaranHe's going on a European tour so he wants something to take, with Ubuntu of courseApr 21 16:43
schestowitzEruaran: big Ubuntu deal comingApr 21 16:43
schestowitzsubbnotebooksApr 21 16:43
schestowitzMarkS talked about itApr 21 16:44
schestowitzNo details yetApr 21 16:44
schestowitzBig OEM thoughApr 21 16:44
Eruaranon his blog ?Apr 21 16:44
schestowitzNope.Apr 21 16:44
schestowitzPhone I thinkApr 21 16:44
Eruaranah kApr 21 16:44
schestowitzI could track it downApr 21 16:44
Eruaransounds interestingApr 21 16:44
EruaranI had to go to hospital todayApr 21 16:45
EruaranAll their computer systems are SunApr 21 16:45
Eruaran:DApr 21 16:45
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Balrogheh. I wonder what will happen to Sun / Java / MySQL now that Oracle has it ....Apr 21 16:46
EruaranFrom across the hall you can easily mistake a Sun system for a Windows oneApr 21 16:46
EruaranBut then you go, "uh, that start button isn't a start button"Apr 21 16:46
Eruaran"its got a Sun logo on it"Apr 21 16:46
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EruaranNice to know their systems aren't running crappy software ;)Apr 21 16:48
Eruaranthin client stuffApr 21 16:49
EruaranSun Ray panels on walls and thingsApr 21 16:49
Eruaranhttp://au.sun.com/sunnews/suc...Apr 21 16:50
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schestowitzFOSS increasingly emerges as victorious against Microsoft et al: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/...Apr 21 17:00
schestowitzSolaris runs in many placesApr 21 17:01
schestowitzMaybe Oracle will replace it with Unbreakable or somethingApr 21 17:01
Balrogschestowitz: hopefully Oracle would make Solaris dual GPL / CDDLApr 21 17:02
Balrogmaybe gpl v2 or later :)Apr 21 17:03
schestowitzSome application is leaking RAM here.Apr 21 17:03
EruaranBarwon Health is using Solaris 10Apr 21 17:03
schestowitzI think I know what it is.Apr 21 17:03
schestowitzWhat statements have come out of Oracle so far?Apr 21 17:05
schestowitzI got the impression it was eerily silentApr 21 17:05
schestowitzLike Nemesis coming for a visit with an axe, with a cape even.Apr 21 17:05
EruaranI haven't heard anytingApr 21 17:05
schestowitzOh, here is the official response:Apr 21 17:06
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/wa...Apr 21 17:06
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EruaranMicrosoft keeps losing those court casesApr 21 17:11
schestowitzHmmm...Apr 21 17:13
schestowitzIt's strange that some daily links get PageRank 4: http://boycottnovell.com/...Apr 21 17:13
schestowitzAlso, our Netcraft rank just rose to 2000thApr 21 17:13
schestowitzAFAIK, one of the few Linux sites that do better is GroklawApr 21 17:13
Balrogcool.Apr 21 17:14
schestowitzCloudisation of the 'desktop': http://www.openqrm.com/?q=node/147Apr 21 17:15
EruaranRoy did you cover the patent case M$ lost against Uniloc ?Apr 21 17:15
schestowitzWe have some problems with site commentsApr 21 17:15
schestowitzThere are some errors with a pluginApr 21 17:15
schestowitzSo some people can't commentApr 21 17:15
schestowitzAbout Wiki, I got this hours ago: "Applause Applause Applause!!!  BN is looking bee-ew-tee-full! "Apr 21 17:15
schestowitzBUTApr 21 17:15
schestowitz"I tried to leave an "idea" comment yesterday but for some reason I couldn't submit it.  I kept getting an error saying my answer to the anti-spam question was wrong.  lol  the question was what is 2+8...I put 10, but it said I was incorrect, so I typed "ten" and still got the error.  I'm apparently more math-challenged than I realized.  :o)"Apr 21 17:16
EruaranhehApr 21 17:16
schestowitzI'll do a lot of hacking on the Wiki in June.Apr 21 17:16
schestowitz1.5 months from now when summer starts and news is abatedApr 21 17:16
schestowitz""I tried to leave an "idea" comment yesterday but for some reason I couldn't submit it.  I kept getting an error saying my answer to the anti-spam question was wrong.  lol  the question was what is 2+8...I put 10, but it said I was incorrect, so I typed "ten" and still got the error.  I'm apparently more math-challenged than I realized.  :o)"Apr 21 17:16
schestowitzOOPSApr 21 17:16
schestowitz"Anyway, the reorganization of BN is very nice.  I about fell out of my chair this morning when the page opened up.  You must have worked all night!!  "Apr 21 17:17
EruaranM$ had to pay out $533 million AUD to UnilocApr 21 17:17
EruaranFor stealing their proprietary software stuffApr 21 17:17
schestowitzI should really avoid getting bogged down... It's addictive :-) In general, the priorities are set wrong.Apr 21 17:17
schestowitzEruaran: yes, I heardApr 21 17:17
schestowitzAnd another AU companyApr 21 17:18
schestowitzCSIRO or somethingApr 21 17:18
EruaranyesApr 21 17:18
schestowitzNot just MSApr 21 17:18
EruaranCSIRO isn't really a company thoughApr 21 17:18
schestowitzHP also, but I think it's ongoingApr 21 17:18
schestowitzEruaran: yes, I knowApr 21 17:18
schestowitzGoverment thing, IIRCApr 21 17:18
schestowitzBT has patents tooApr 21 17:18
schestowitzsw pats in India evenApr 21 17:18
schestowitzTools for colonialisationApr 21 17:19
schestowitzSome countries given access to so-called IP so that resources that 'happen' to be underneath them (like a sea of oil) can be imported to enrich others.Apr 21 17:19
schestowitzIt's amazing how much development is dependent on supply of / cheap/ oil. Food also.Apr 21 17:20
schestowitzOil->Food.Apr 21 17:20
schestowitzOil->automationApr 21 17:20
schestowitzIn many countries you spend days hand-washing clothes and chasing food/waterApr 21 17:20
trmancoschestowitz, using classes :-PApr 21 17:20
schestowitzEnergy can resolve this and advance some countries at expense of othersApr 21 17:20
EruaranI heard somewhere the situation with Iran has nothing to do with NukesApr 21 17:20
schestowitztrmanco: which classes?Apr 21 17:21
EruaranIts all about gasApr 21 17:21
schestowitzEruaran: it never didApr 21 17:21
schestowitzThey had no problem with peopleApr 21 17:21
schestowitzNot even with the NazisApr 21 17:21
EruaranIran wants to pipline gas to other countries, including EuropeApr 21 17:21
schestowitzBut in 1953 a British oil companies saw Iran wanting to control its resourcesApr 21 17:21
trmanco$oil = new oiler (); $oil->food(); $oil->gas(); !$oil->nomoney(); :-PApr 21 17:21
trmancojust kiddingApr 21 17:21
schestowitzSo they overthrew a government with the USian helpApr 21 17:21
schestowitzThat's well documentedApr 21 17:21
EruaranyesApr 21 17:21
trmancoyou made me remind of php classes, that's allApr 21 17:22
schestowitzBut buried by presidents that refuse to talk about itApr 21 17:22
schestowitzIt happened again laterApr 21 17:22
schestowitztrmanco: I see. Well, it's polymorphicApr 21 17:22
schestowitzOil is the key to a lot of things from transportation to bargaining over who works for whoApr 21 17:23
schestowitzThe US now controls the spiggot in the world's 2ns biggest oil resourceApr 21 17:23
schestowitzAnd it has no intention of leavingApr 21 17:23
schestowitzThere's concrete and steel in the groundApr 21 17:23
schestowitzThe country hardly has anoueh emetricityApr 21 17:23
EruaranIf I was Irans president I'd be trying to get a gas pipeline to Europe on the fast trackApr 21 17:23
schestowitzBut the US has bases with cinemas, swimming pools, etcApr 21 17:23
Eruaranthere's money to be madeApr 21 17:23
schestowitzEruaran: to tell you the truth, I hope they exchange dollars for EurosApr 21 17:24
schestowitzThough that might make the US go ballistic, literallyApr 21 17:24
schestowitzLet me get you a lecture on history of coupsApr 21 17:24
EruaranThe RBA started buying Euro's years agoApr 21 17:24
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schestowitzThis man summarises his book on the subject: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N...Apr 21 17:25
EruaranRBA (Reserve Bank of Australia)Apr 21 17:25
EruaranI'm glad the RBA isn't like the US Federal ReserveApr 21 17:26
Eruaranowned by some private cabalApr 21 17:27
EruaranThey have to get a bill passed just so they can properly audit themApr 21 17:27
Eruaranwhat a jokeApr 21 17:27
schestowitzThey could be daemonised and thrown out ;-pApr 21 17:28
schestowitzProlly[sic] not in AussieApr 21 17:28
schestowitzUS is not ready to invade English-speaking nations.Apr 21 17:28
schestowitzA lot of coups come from businesses like Microsoft or United Fruit companyApr 21 17:29
schestowitzSouth African has Microsoft pull a banana republic on itApr 21 17:29
schestowitzFrance alsoApr 21 17:29
schestowitzMS sent its cronies over there to change policies on ODF and FOSSApr 21 17:29
schestowitzShock and Awe{tm} is paralleled to "The Slog" (Microsoft) in a senseApr 21 17:30
schestowitzCNET/CBS and CNN joined forces a while ago and they promote the Microsoft party line, still. Latest example: http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/pte...Apr 21 17:32
Eruaranhttp://www.youtube.co...Apr 21 17:33
schestowitzScientist Hawking 'very ill' < http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/scienc... >. I lost respect for him because of patent uber-troll Nahtan Myhrvold.Apr 21 17:34
schestowitzEruaran: A lot of US budget is secretApr 21 17:35
schestowitzSome comes from debt (China)Apr 21 17:35
schestowitzFunnelled into nuclear programmes tooApr 21 17:35
EruaranThat clip is not about the US federal budget thoughApr 21 17:36
schestowitzWatch professor Chalmers Johnson, who is spilling the beans on the military complex: http://www.youtube.com/results?search...Apr 21 17:36
schestowitzAs regards budgets going nowhere, see what happened with Halliburton. Lots of black holes. They had a party with money spend on "'War' in Iraq"Apr 21 17:36
schestowitzMoney that was intended to build bridges (they the US demolished) went missing -- somewhere elseApr 21 17:37
EruaranIts about the US Federal Reserve loaning trillions of dollars to unknown banks where the terms of those loans are unknown and not subject to the oversight of Congress (they have to get a Bill passed just to get the right to audit the bastards)Apr 21 17:37
schestowitzFox and henhouseApr 21 17:37
schestowitzEruaran: haven't watched the whole vid yetApr 21 17:37
schestowitzStill at min1Apr 21 17:37
Eruaranschestowitz: its greatApr 21 17:38
Eruaranthe senator fires up and has a go at BernankeApr 21 17:38
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schestowitzWho is this "BERNANKE"?Apr 21 17:38
schestowitzI saw his face beforeApr 21 17:39
The_Mad_HatterSome American Bank exec I thinkApr 21 17:39
EruaranHe's the guy in charge of the US Federal ReserveApr 21 17:39
EruarancharimanApr 21 17:39
schestowitzI seee...Apr 21 17:40
Eruaranhe effectively has control of the moneyApr 21 17:40
schestowitzThe next pretender after GrenspanApr 21 17:40
schestowitzThey should be frank and say it's the brink of benkrupcyApr 21 17:40
schestowitzLike the old Soviet UnionApr 21 17:40
schestowitzIt's better to go banklrupt than ballisticApr 21 17:40
schestowitzas Chalmers Johnson might say..Apr 21 17:40
The_Mad_HatterYeah.Apr 21 17:40
schestowitzThis way there is no capacity to do too much damageApr 21 17:41
schestowitzSame with Microsoft (nudging it on topic)Apr 21 17:41
schestowitzThey can't harm FOSS much nowApr 21 17:41
schestowitzThey are not with much meansApr 21 17:41
schestowitzNo more than SCOApr 21 17:41
schestowitzToday I saw a "I'm a PC" ad for the first timeApr 21 17:41
schestowitzPatheticApr 21 17:41
schestowitzMS is using 8yo kids to market an OSApr 21 17:42
schestowitzThey are too ashamed to even show WindowsApr 21 17:42
schestowitzJust "PC"Apr 21 17:42
schestowitzLinux runs on PCsApr 21 17:42
The_Mad_HatterRe CIPAV - if you aren't vulnerable to it, you are regarded as a possible threat.Apr 21 17:42
schestowitzAnd to associate some little girl with Microsoft is sick IMHOApr 21 17:42
schestowitzThe_Mad_Hatter: well, I say "bring it own[sic]" :-)Apr 21 17:43
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch...Apr 21 17:43
schestowitz'Bush Regrets Saying "Bring 'em on"'Apr 21 17:43
The_Mad_HatterJust wanted to mention that - I'm trying to remember where I read it, and can't.Apr 21 17:44
schestowitzThe_Mad_Hatter: is it not common knowledge? :-)Apr 21 17:45
schestowitzThere's this funny banner I can find..Apr 21 17:45
schestowitzFound it: http://news.cnet.com/830...Apr 21 17:46
schestowitzChina isn't stupid. It's running away from US patents and makes its own codecs: http://www.interfax.com/4/488956/news.aspxApr 21 17:49
Balrogwhy not use ogg vorbis / theora?Apr 21 17:50
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schestowitzBalrog: yes, too many codecs out thereApr 21 17:52
schestowitzMany infected by fee burdensApr 21 17:52
BalrogI know. but why does China have to make their own when good free codecs exist?Apr 21 17:52
_boo_it's always good to have smth of your ownApr 21 17:53
Balroghrm that's bad for interoperability.Apr 21 17:54
_boo_you can make anything with itApr 21 17:54
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